The Megyn Kelly Show - Zelensky Comes to DC Again, Fake Media Narratives, and Comey's Weird Taylor Swift Video, with Walter Kirn

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.240 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We are back in the red studio.

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00:00:42.280 So anyway, onward. It may feel like it's the waning days of a slow summer Monday,

00:00:50.040 but not in Washington, D.C., where the future of world peace could be at stake today.

00:00:54.900 As Ukrainians president, Zelensky makes his return to the White House for a meeting with President Trump.

00:00:59.000 First time back since that disastrous meeting in February.

00:01:01.660 Plus a bunch of other European leaders tagging along.

00:01:04.420 Marco Rubio says we invited them. I mean, I guess it's good they're there.

00:01:08.040 It's like it's nice to have other leverage points against Zelensky besides just Trump and J.D. threatening him.

00:01:14.040 I'm like, I don't know that he's going to do what anybody wants, but at least they're in his neighborhood.

00:01:19.700 Like they have a bigger stake in this than we do. So, yeah, welcome to the party.

00:01:23.960 This follows President Trump's high profile summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska on Friday.

00:01:29.320 Sent the media into meltdown. Plus, James Comey is joining Substack and making a complete fool out of himself. 0.88

00:01:37.620 Joining me now on all of these stories and more, our pal Walter Kern.

00:01:41.920 He's editor-at-large of the newspaper County Highway and co-host with Matt Taibbi of the America This Week podcast.

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00:02:58.200 Walter, welcome back.

00:02:59.600 Great to be here.

00:03:00.940 Great to have you.

00:03:01.700 All right, so, you know, it doesn't look like we got anything out of Friday's meeting with Putin yet, right?

00:03:09.900 Yet.

00:03:10.380 I don't think we were expecting, I don't think Trump was expecting to spike the ball in the end zone and dance back down that red carpet.

00:03:17.960 But he's trying to get a dialogue going on stopping this war, on ending this war, something that's been completely stalled and going nowhere.

00:03:27.580 So now he brings Zelensky to the table, along with these European leaders.

00:03:32.900 And unfortunately, it looks like if this thing ends and when it ends, it's going to end on terms that are not favorable to Ukraine.

00:03:40.580 They're going to have to give up the territory that Putin has seized.

00:03:45.140 I think all they seem to be debating is whether they're going to have to give up even more territory than that,

00:03:51.260 which Zelensky appears to say he won't, too.

00:03:55.900 Who could blame him?

00:03:57.540 But all of this, sadly, is not a result of Donald Trump's inability to negotiate an end to a war.

00:04:03.980 It's as a result of the fact that Ukraine lost the war.

00:04:08.160 And there's really not much more we can do to help them other than try to stop the bleeding.

00:04:13.440 That's my take on it.

00:04:14.560 Where do you stand?

00:04:16.400 Well, first of all, I think any right thinking person should want this to succeed.

00:04:22.940 But apparently there are a lot of people who don't because the coverage of Friday's meeting focused unduly on Trump's reception of Putin,

00:04:35.380 as though to meet another nuclear-powered world leader is something that you should do and insult the person.

00:04:45.680 I mean, he shook his hand.

00:04:48.480 He waved to him.

00:04:49.220 He did all sorts of things that showed he was, you know, receptive to his office.

00:04:54.500 And he was punished for it.

00:04:56.340 He's been punished for it, you know, hourly.

00:04:59.420 I think there's a huge faction of people that don't want to see this war to end.

00:05:04.220 They don't want to see the expenditures to end.

00:05:06.940 They don't seem to mind the 15,000 people a week who are dying and so on.

00:05:13.860 But I think it's absolutely the prelude to the future that we get this over.

00:05:21.340 How do we move on with this thing going on, with this, you know, open-ended proxy war with the biggest nuclear power in the world?

00:05:29.300 So, you know, as far as the European leaders showing up, I remember the Gilligan's Island song.

00:05:37.280 They'd say, you know, the skipper and Marianne and the rest.

00:05:41.940 They all came in as a chorus.

00:05:43.900 They just jumped on, you know, they jumped on planes and they ran.

00:05:48.300 And they're forming a group shot, like a high school class in the background.

00:05:55.080 And that tells me something might happen because they seem to want to be in on it.

00:06:01.120 Yep.

00:06:01.720 And the press over the weekend was trying to say, oh, they're doing it to babysit Trump.

00:06:06.160 They're doing it to make sure that Trump doesn't give away the farm or that, you know, Zelensky's got backup.

00:06:11.360 Marco Rubio pointing out to Margaret Brennan, I think we have it.

00:06:13.880 But they're there because we asked them to come.

00:06:16.960 We invited them.

00:06:17.740 Do we have it?

00:06:18.200 Let's play it.

00:06:20.080 You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away.

00:06:27.960 That's why you have these European leaders coming as backup tomorrow.

00:06:31.600 Can you reassure them?

00:06:32.140 No, it isn't.

00:06:32.680 That's not why they're coming as backup.

00:06:33.880 That's not true.

00:06:35.360 But that's not true.

00:06:37.060 They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied. 0.99

00:06:39.700 This is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming here tomorrow because Trump is going to bully Zelensky into a bad deal. 0.98

00:06:46.920 We've been working with these people for weeks, for weeks on this stuff. 0.99

00:06:50.280 They're coming here tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow.

00:06:52.460 We invited them to come.

00:06:53.800 We invited them to come.

00:06:54.980 The president invited them to come.

00:06:57.400 Because it would be great, Walter, if they could do more.

00:07:01.120 This is their neighborhood.

00:07:02.780 This is not even our neighborhood.

00:07:04.500 Like, we're a superpower.

00:07:06.380 So we've gotten involved.

00:07:07.500 We're trying to put an end to it.

00:07:08.660 But the Europeans, what leading role have they played?

00:07:12.540 They should be here.

00:07:15.620 As though they have the power to bust into the office and say, don't you bully that man.

00:07:20.800 You know, I mean, they are there, as I say, to form a group shot in the background.

00:07:27.340 I doubt that any of them are hanging over Trump's shoulder or hanging over Zelensky's shoulder saying, don't be bullied.

00:07:35.000 I think it's classy of Trump to invite them.

00:07:38.040 It's good to have them there.

00:07:40.080 You're right.

00:07:40.580 They belong there.

00:07:41.340 It's their continent, after all. 0.98

00:07:43.820 But the idea that everything must be spun negatively toward Trump at this point is ridiculous.

00:07:52.760 Let the guy negotiate the end to a war that he didn't start.

00:07:57.740 Okay?

00:07:58.320 Right.

00:07:58.480 I mean, he wasn't there when this thing started.

00:08:01.080 And, you know, I don't know what good it is for Putin to say it wouldn't have happened if Trump had been in office.

00:08:07.400 You know, that's a wonderful hypothetical and a compliment, I suppose.

00:08:12.520 But Trump didn't start this.

00:08:15.780 He's trying to end it.

00:08:16.820 It's a bloody war.

00:08:18.460 It has the possibility of breaking into a kind of superpower war at any moment.

00:08:25.100 It's as tense in some ways as the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:08:29.320 I mean, we've never launched missiles into Russian territory, which we basically did by proxy from Ukraine in the last month of Biden's presidency.

00:08:39.140 That could have gone south in ways that only Hollywood has ever depicted.

00:08:45.600 It's a good point.

00:08:46.680 And now Trump is trying to, like, have a good relationship with Putin, another nuclear power, and giving away minor things in order to help that.

00:08:58.140 Like, there's a red carpet out on the tarmac.

00:09:01.580 Like, the president does the, you know, the sort of glad-handing, you know, mild clap as Putin's coming toward him, which is a friendly gesture.

00:09:11.500 Does anybody really think Trump's in favor of, you know, the killing of civilians by Russia and Ukraine?

00:09:17.300 He's trying—this is his version of diplomacy.

00:09:21.300 He's treating Putin the way he would want to be treated.

00:09:24.400 He'd want a warm welcome.

00:09:25.920 He likes pomp and circumstance. 1.00

00:09:27.620 He's like, who gives a shit? 0.99

00:09:29.040 This doesn't cost us anything. 0.99

00:09:30.400 Has anyone ever seen The King and I or any movie about majesty?

00:09:36.080 Yes.

00:09:36.460 The person who's gracious is the powerful person.

00:09:40.220 Trump's taller.

00:09:41.260 He has the bigger plane. 0.91

00:09:42.720 He made Putin walk between freaking stealth fighter jets.

00:09:47.100 He flew a B-2 over his head.

00:09:49.560 What is he, you know, what's he supposed to do?

00:09:51.920 Follow him with a crocodile or something?

00:09:54.220 I mean—

00:09:54.820 Right.

00:09:55.040 They want a meeting in, like, Wayne's world basement in order to put Putin where he belongs, as opposed to giving him any sort of celebratory welcome.

00:10:04.480 It's like, this stuff costs us nothing.

00:10:06.600 Oh, on the world stage, we've elevated him.

00:10:08.900 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:10:10.360 Literally everybody in the world knows Putin.

00:10:12.560 They know who he is.

00:10:13.820 They know what he's capable of.

00:10:15.100 And they know exactly what Trump is doing, too. 0.99

00:10:18.100 All of that is ridiculous. 0.84

00:10:19.520 It's a gesture to say, I'm here in good faith to have a negotiation with you. 0.87

00:10:25.200 That's a great point, Megan.

00:10:26.800 The rest of the world knows Vladimir Putin.

00:10:29.540 The rest of the world has not been propagandized for 10 years to believe that there should be no talking to this man, that he secretly controls Trump from behind the scenes.

00:10:40.700 I mean, does anybody really believe that after seeing them together?

00:10:45.140 I sure as didn't.

00:10:46.960 After I saw 10 seconds of the footage between the two of them, I felt like Trump was going to hand Putin his briefcase and ask him to carry it, you know, or his golf bag.

00:10:58.600 I felt he was being, if anything, a little too dominant. 1.00

00:11:01.540 I was like, you don't need to fly the bomber over his damn head. 0.99

00:11:05.000 The B-2s are big. 1.00

00:11:08.140 I thought it was actually kind of awesome.

00:11:09.680 It was a badass move.

00:11:11.280 It was a flex.

00:11:12.220 You know, it was like the ultimate flex to fly those things overhead.

00:11:15.140 And Putin seemed a little jarred, like, whoa, what's that?

00:11:17.440 You know, like, of course, if you're Vladimir Putin, you have to be worried, like, they're about to take me out.

00:11:21.880 That's got to be a daily fear on his part.

00:11:24.180 And certainly the odds of you being taken out while you're standing next to Donald Trump, the sitting U.S. president, are slim. 0.99

00:11:30.720 But there had to be at least a moment of, oh, shit, what's happening? 0.98

00:11:34.440 So that's good. 0.99

00:11:35.100 But it was Trump's way of, like, making him feel a little unsteady while he, you know, peppered the field with these meaningless niceties that also sent another message.

00:11:45.920 I can be nice or I can be not nice.

00:11:48.440 That's quintessential Trump.

00:11:50.160 And he made him come to us.

00:11:54.380 He made him come to Alaska.

00:11:56.920 You know, it's not like the beauteous, you know, sophisticated spot of the world to have to come to Alaska to our most, you know, our chilliest and frozen frontier outpost.

00:12:11.000 It's right at home for Putin.

00:12:12.160 Exactly. 0.99

00:12:14.100 I mean, every single every single law of hospitality suggests that when people come to you and are willing to have B-2 bombers flown over their heads and walk between rows of your fighter planes, you can at least shake their damn hand. 0.98

00:12:31.600 Yeah, that's exactly right. 0.87

00:12:32.820 I mean, then the media was like, oh, but it's Alaska and Russia used to own Alaska. 0.97

00:12:38.040 So this is a win for Putin's like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. 0.97

00:12:41.300 It's the United States. 0.99

00:12:42.540 Alaska is part of the United States of America.

00:12:45.640 It is a win that he came to us.

00:12:48.300 This is look, Trump is not doing diplomacy the way we we always were told it needed to be done.

00:12:54.160 We would have been told, yes, that it had to be like you couldn't shake his hand.

00:12:59.400 You had to have a scowl on your face.

00:13:01.260 And also the old way would have been the two world leaders would not even meet until there was a deal on the table, like Marco Rubio and Sergei Lavrov would have already negotiated and ended this thing before the two principals would have shown their face.

00:13:15.340 Trump just doesn't do things like that.

00:13:17.160 He is a dealmaker himself.

00:13:18.940 He thinks I can get this done.

00:13:21.260 The more time I spend with this guy, the more I've advanced the ball toward ending it.

00:13:26.080 And no one can understand that.

00:13:28.920 They look at his behavior through their own old prisms without recognizing it's a new day.

00:13:35.460 This is a new guy.

00:13:36.840 All those old rules are out the window.

00:13:38.720 He's doing it his way.

00:13:40.820 The last time Putin was on U.S. soil was in 2015.

00:13:45.800 He visited the United Nations in New York and he met with Obama.

00:13:50.700 There was none of this analysis then of every single facial feature and handshake and so on.

00:13:56.740 The right of a U.S. president to talk to a Russian leader was not questioned.

00:14:04.100 And between the people who didn't want this to happen at all and the people who wanted it to fail, I really question whether or not, especially on the democratic and sort of liberal side, peace is still a value at all.

00:14:20.080 They give it lip service.

00:14:21.860 But this is what it looks like.

00:14:24.420 Enemies meeting.

00:14:26.020 OK.

00:14:26.460 They have enemies must meet for there to be peace.

00:14:30.060 If you can't stand that part, then you can't stand the rest.

00:14:33.940 And to say that you're for it in theory means you have to be able to bear it in practice.

00:14:39.780 Yeah, they I don't know what they want.

00:14:42.440 They want Trump to stand firm.

00:14:43.960 They want Putin to give up the territory that he seized in Ukraine.

00:14:47.700 OK, but what if he won't?

00:14:49.520 What if he will just keep killing Ukrainians on and on and on for another five years? 0.98

00:14:55.860 Is that a win at the end of that?

00:14:57.720 If then somehow with U.S. backing, when we're on the brink of nuclear world war, then Putin says, OK, you can have 10 percent of what I took back.

00:15:06.680 How is that better than just letting him keep what he's taken, what the Ukrainians were not able to win back during the course of the war?

00:15:14.620 Sorry, but it's a war and it's not going well for Ukraine.

00:15:19.300 That's not a win.

00:15:20.480 At this point, it's about cutting losses.

00:15:23.620 Then here's the other thing, you know, for us domestically, the American people no longer support our involvement in any way in this war.

00:15:31.220 But here's something that was apparently given up that's not going to go over well with MAGA.

00:15:36.680 Here's the presidential envoy, Steve Whitcoff, saying they did agree to something.

00:15:42.400 He, as the envoy prior to Putin getting here, it's SOT 10.

00:15:46.680 We agreed to robust security guarantees that I would describe as game changing.

00:15:53.860 We didn't think that we were anywhere close to agreeing to Article 5 protection from the United States in legislative enshrinement within the Russian Federation,

00:16:06.360 not to go after any other territory when the peace deal is is, you know, codified legislative enshrinement in the Russian Federation,

00:16:16.900 not to go after any other European countries and violate their their sovereignty.

00:16:22.580 So we agreed to there was and there was plenty more.

00:16:26.940 OK, I just want to say a couple of things about this.

00:16:28.920 First of all, any any agreement by Putin not to go after additional territory.

00:16:33.260 Let's face it.

00:16:33.800 It's not worth the paper that it's printed on.

00:16:35.380 He's going to do what he wants to do unless you have real incentives built in to stop him.

00:16:41.180 And that's where we've apparently agreed to act as though Ukraine is in NATO by the U.S. providing security guarantees.

00:16:50.200 If Russia violates its written word not to do something else to Ukraine, which is not really what MAGA wanted.

00:16:59.800 We don't really want to be the world's policeman and have to back Ukraine forevermore in this fight against Russia if Putin does come back for more.

00:17:09.760 Like, I don't I'm sorry.

00:17:12.740 I know I speak for a lot of people, though.

00:17:14.280 I do not want my sons going over to Ukraine and risking their lives to make sure Putin doesn't violate his word and take another 15 percent.

00:17:22.320 But and we'd been holding out on on that, saying we're not going to do that.

00:17:27.040 And it appears like the the breakthrough we've made is now we are.

00:17:32.020 Well, so the United States has given something up and Putin's given something up on paper that he'll never live up to.

00:17:40.420 And Ukraine is stuck with the newly shitty borders and really not much of a guarantee.

00:17:45.640 Look, it's not not going well.

00:17:48.060 The end of it's not going well.

00:17:49.480 The progress of is not going well.

00:17:50.940 And I think the U.S. getting more involved in guaranteeing Ukraine security is a significant problem for us that the Republican Party is not going to embrace or at least half of it.

00:18:01.500 Well, I'm I'm I'm not happy that Ukraine made itself a virtual NATO member, that we allowed that to happen, that we that we made it one, frankly.

00:18:14.900 In a weird way, what they're doing here is they're solemnizing or formalizing something that happened without Trump's permission, without America's permission, without America's knowledge, really.

00:18:27.360 I mean, the run up to the Ukraine war happened sort of off in the shadows for most Americans and the situation they were presented with was a fait accompli that they would never, I think, have voluntarily asked for.

00:18:41.560 And, you know, it's a measure of how we screwed ourselves in my book, you know, that such things would be considered.

00:18:51.560 Yes, it's it's it's reminding me of the pottery barn rule, right?

00:18:55.180 Like you if you break it, you buy it.

00:18:57.620 And and we're kind of acting like we we broke it.

00:19:01.440 And we kind of did not Trump, but Democrats and interfering in Ukraine in 2014 and their democratically election elected president.

00:19:11.600 And ever since when we've had Democratic administrations trying to amp up NATO, trying to saber rattle that Ukraine was going to join it when they knew what Putin would do.

00:19:21.220 And then Joe Biden, let's not forget a minor incursion, you know, maybe we could live with that is what he telegraphed.

00:19:28.320 And then we got something that plus a lot more because it seemed to be a wink and a nod that Putin could get away with something.

00:19:34.720 And then he took more than he was, quote, unquote, offered.

00:19:37.980 In any event. Yeah, you're right.

00:19:40.260 Like we did kind of break it and now Trump is trying to fix it.

00:19:43.140 But I hate to see us fix it by giving even more than we've already given.

00:19:46.500 And it's like it's like marrying somebody and then finding you got to pay off their credit cards from before you were married.

00:19:53.620 And, you know, it really he he has inherited debts that were incurred by Obama, frankly, and then which were increased under Biden, who is essentially Obama's proxy.

00:20:06.980 And it's humiliating in a way that he should have to do so.

00:20:14.080 But I guess in peace, everybody gets humiliated a little bit.

00:20:17.980 Mm hmm. I don't know. It's like to me, it's like, I don't know.

00:20:24.040 I tomorrow we're going to have Marjorie Taylor Greene on this show for the first time.

00:20:27.740 And I'm actually really looking forward to talking to her.

00:20:29.740 But like this she's been sounding the alarm about she she doesn't have anything against Israel, but she she thinks we're getting too involved.

00:20:36.800 Right. She thinks like this is this is not America first.

00:20:39.840 And you can times that by 10 when it comes to Ukraine.

00:20:42.800 And I see her point.

00:20:44.880 It's like the people making these decisions, you know, the people who push Trump toward like getting more militarily involved and making more military promises and being more bellicose.

00:20:55.660 Is it their sons who are going to have to go fight this and daughters now? 0.77

00:20:58.760 Because, by the way, our daughters can get drafted now. 1.00

00:21:00.740 Thanks a lot, Joe Biden.

00:21:01.560 And is is it their kids are going to have to fight?

00:21:04.940 Because, you know, I actually have kids who this would truly affect.

00:21:07.900 And it's a no.

00:21:08.820 I'm not sending them to the Middle East and I'm not sending them to Ukraine.

00:21:12.500 I have zero interest in doing that.

00:21:14.680 And I think I speak for most Americans when I say that.

00:21:17.880 So, like, who's going to enforce these security guarantees?

00:21:20.540 I know, I thought the whole point of the land deal where we're going to invest in their natural land minerals and all that in Ukraine was like so we'd have a stake there and like Putin would be chastised out of doing anything more with Ukraine because he knew, oh, my God, the United States owns half of it or at least, you know, these natural minerals.

00:21:37.660 So I better not mess with it.

00:21:39.120 I guess not, because like now we're saying we're going to provide security guarantees to Ukraine, which is what Zelensky's wanted.

00:21:46.420 Anyway, I think it's not going particularly well.

00:21:49.460 I think this thing does need to come to a close if the if the that requires shitty terms for someone.

00:21:56.060 I'm sorry, but it needs to be Ukraine, not us. 0.85

00:21:59.780 And Europe, Europe can for once step up to the plate and provide the guarantees.

00:22:05.040 Not us.

00:22:06.040 We're not the world's policemen.

00:22:08.780 Well, you know, one of the problems is that we've fought a war here without spilling blood.

00:22:13.820 I mean, not that anyone wants American blood to spill, but, you know, this was a cake and eat it to war in which we just paid money and we backed down the Russian Russians and we even fantasized we were going to overthrow Putin. 0.80

00:22:27.900 You know, every couple of weeks he was sick or he was about to be deposed or whatever.

00:22:33.420 American thought it was going to get one for free here or, you know, for the price of weapons.

00:22:38.640 And that is so true.

00:22:41.460 And we're not getting it for free.

00:22:44.060 And it was our fantastic, you know, eat more and lose weight fantasy that that you could win a war against Russia without losing a soldier.

00:22:57.840 And it turns out when you try to do those things, when you try to get it all, you actually lose.

00:23:05.100 And we're and we're losing something.

00:23:06.720 You're right.

00:23:08.480 So Zelensky's now going to the White House.

00:23:11.160 And I think we're going to have a very different experience with him there than we did the last time.

00:23:17.080 He's already saying, oh, this is only going to be brought to an end by strength.

00:23:20.980 And President Trump is strong.

00:23:24.540 I don't know what to expect out of today.

00:23:26.580 I just think we're already too down, too far down a line that gives us skin in the game, more skin than I think we're we should have to provide.

00:23:37.380 But I think the odds of like another catastrophic meltdown at the White House with Zelensky there are pretty slim. 0.99

00:23:43.960 Do you disagree?

00:23:44.940 What do you think?

00:23:47.660 It's unclear who that guy works for and who he answers to, frankly.

00:23:51.560 I mean, he had the temerity to insert himself in a presidential election.

00:23:58.060 Remember him with John Shapiro?

00:24:00.580 Signing the weapons.

00:24:02.100 Signing the weapons.

00:24:03.560 As though he had some say in which president we elect.

00:24:08.000 I mean, he has been one of the most impudent and, frankly, disrespectful world leaders we've ever dealt with.

00:24:17.160 And he's supposed to be our ally.

00:24:19.940 I think anything's possible with him.

00:24:22.160 He could pull any stunt.

00:24:23.380 He's done it in the past.

00:24:25.520 Gosh.

00:24:26.260 Well, it's happening.

00:24:27.700 So we'll keep our eyes on the Oval Office to see, you know, what if anything goes down there.

00:24:33.880 I do want to stay a little bit on Putin but shift a focus because you went on Bill Maher's show on Friday night.

00:24:41.480 And you were there with leftist Molly Jung Fast.

00:24:44.720 And she was very upset about the meeting with Putin on Friday.

00:24:50.440 Here's just one of the things she said.

00:24:52.920 She speaks for many liberals in this.

00:24:54.920 Sala Levin.

00:24:55.440 It's crushed some norms having him walk across a red carpet while Trump clapped.

00:25:02.060 I mean, that generally...

00:25:03.600 Oh, come on. 1.00

00:25:04.320 Are we really going to go through this kind of bullshit? 0.99

00:25:06.700 Like, you know, Obama wore a tan suit and he saluted with coffee in his hand. 1.00

00:25:13.860 Who gives a shit what he walked across? 0.99

00:25:16.660 I mean, there's people dying over there. 0.99

00:25:20.740 That was good.

00:25:21.760 That was good, Bill Maher.

00:25:23.260 But then there was bad Bill Maher.

00:25:25.440 There was a moment of bad Bill Maher where he got up in your grill, Walter, and he was so wrong about this.

00:25:32.360 It was because of good Bill Maher that I felt I could speak to him reasonably, but he didn't like it the second time.

00:25:40.720 No, he did not, because then you guys got into Russiagate, switching from Russia to Russiagate or Obamagate, depending on your preference.

00:25:49.480 But the meltdown of the meltdown of the whole story around Donald Trump and the alleged Russian collusion that's been happening in this country for the past two months, thanks to Tulsi Gabbard.

00:26:00.400 So Bill Maher was not listening to you, Walter Kern, when you tried to explain to him that what happened allegedly in 1516 between Trump and Russia was not a scandal.

00:26:13.160 And what the Democrats did to Trump around Russia in that same time frame and ever after is a scandal.

00:26:21.660 And here's a little of how that went and sought for.

00:26:24.100 Which I think he, I mean, I don't know, look, I don't think he was exactly a Russian agent, but, you know, Russiagate was not, you know, completely made up.

00:26:34.120 Well, Bill, there we disagree.

00:26:35.920 I think we're finding out day by day that it was almost completely made up.

00:26:39.560 Oh, please.

00:26:40.000 It's on tape.

00:26:41.720 He's asking the Russians for help on tape, which he gave them that day.

00:26:45.960 They released those those emails that day that they hacked. 0.99

00:26:49.340 He said, could you please hack some shit? 0.99

00:26:51.460 They did it and released it that day to help him. 0.99

00:26:54.180 So don't tell me there's no smoke.

00:26:56.160 Let's not get let's not relitigate that year.

00:26:58.760 Well, we are relitigating it because it's before a grand jury right now.

00:27:01.820 And we'll find out who.

00:27:02.880 OK, but let me ask a broader question, because the first I take your point. 1.00

00:27:08.380 I think it's kind of a zombie lie that Trump is Putin's, you know, bitch, because, I mean, he certainly was over friendly to him for a very long time, considering who Putin is, a thug and a murderer. 0.98

00:27:21.640 In 2015, Obama met him and nobody said anything in New York. 0.99

00:27:25.860 He didn't praise him.

00:27:27.140 He didn't say he's the greatest guy in the world.

00:27:29.060 I could read 20 compliments that Trump has given to him.

00:27:32.240 He said he's a fun guy to be with.

00:27:33.820 No, that's obscene.

00:27:34.560 OK, so what a red herring by Marr there, Walter, bringing up the Trump comments about, oh, Putin, if you're listening, that's that's his evidence that Trump colluded with.

00:27:50.860 I mean, in a way, I appreciate him saying it because that's what a lot of leftists think. 0.98

00:27:54.880 Oh, I mean, it's it's an insane and ridiculous assertion. 0.93

00:28:00.020 If you think about the mechanics of that, Trump says something on TV. 0.92

00:28:04.360 Putin, who happens to be watching American TV or whatever, says, hey, let's go hack them.

00:28:09.600 Trump just asked for it.

00:28:10.700 Great idea.

00:28:12.120 Let's go do it.

00:28:13.380 Oh, and then he somehow releases it through back to the American media all in an afternoon.

00:28:18.380 None of that happened.

00:28:22.020 None of it could have happened if you want to think it through.

00:28:25.640 But let's think about this.

00:28:27.620 The Trump Russia scandal, which was really Hillary throwing a S.H.I.T. fit over, you know, having lost.

00:28:36.120 But one that she started long before because she had all this email exposure and other things has been used to keep us apart from Russia, to keep Trump from meeting Putin, to keep the I would say the run up to the Ukraine war, which was happening while Trump was president.

00:28:56.020 You know, remember, they impeached him for just trying to talk to Zelensky.

00:29:01.800 Remember?

00:29:02.120 I mean, he, the perfect phone call, Trump was hampered and put in manacles as far as Russia policy from the beginning by this series of gross exaggerations and outright lies, many of which are now the stuff of grand jury investigations.

00:29:22.320 And I promise you will continue to be debunked and even shown to be conspiracies of some kind, maybe not maybe not indictable ones or maybe not ones that will end in prosecutions, but they may.

00:29:39.300 And day by day, we're going to get that news.

00:29:41.460 And we have been getting it.

00:29:42.700 Bill Maher has apparently been on vacation all of August because we've had more case closed news about the ways in which the intelligence community and the law enforcement community, if you include the FBI, got together.

00:30:01.000 And with zero evidence and with this crappy steel dossier, which is, you know, less real than one of my novels, tried to keep this guy from taking office and then from holding it and certainly keep him from negotiating as a peer with Putin.

00:30:18.780 And Molly John fast and Bill suggesting that no one has ever complimented Putin in the past.

00:30:25.700 Hillary went there with a fricking button to hit a reset with Medyev. 0.98

00:30:30.300 You know, they brought crops.

00:30:33.120 George Bush, the good man that he was when he looked into his eyes.

00:30:37.880 Remember?

00:30:39.120 Yeah.

00:30:40.000 Many people have had compliments for the Russian leader.

00:30:43.680 And I can't even think of what.

00:30:46.420 What what Trump's are, really?

00:30:48.060 He met him in Helsinki once and they came around him and made it an almost impossible situation.

00:30:54.500 And that was it.

00:30:56.280 But we have we've we've we've been kept.

00:30:59.740 Bill Maher has been on the wrong side of the Russiagate story from the beginning.

00:31:04.520 I mean, and he's been a main pusher of the nonsense.

00:31:07.940 Your cohort on your podcast, Matt Taibbi, wrote a long piece about it after that exchange with Maher,

00:31:14.520 pointing out that when when the whole you know, when Russiagate fell apart and it was obvious that Mueller did not have the goods on Trump. 0.52

00:31:24.800 Bill Maher had Eric Swalwell on and said to him, well, I don't need the Mueller report to know that he meaning Trump is a traitor.

00:31:33.420 I have a TV.

00:31:35.480 And as Taibbi put it, this has been his story ever since.

00:31:38.520 And he, too, is sticking with it.

00:31:39.940 I mean, that's like Bill, with all due respect to Bill, has been hashtag part of the problem on Russiagate and therefore not shockingly, I guess, cannot see its complete dismantling.

00:31:49.860 And really, like all the motivations and the crafting of all the lies that are coming out day by day, like the revelations about the crafting, he cannot see it with objective eyes and maybe isn't even trying.

00:32:01.840 I don't know.

00:32:02.360 But like the sneering, oh, come on to you.

00:32:05.340 It's on tape as though this has all been settled years ago.

00:32:09.680 We saw and heard it with our own eyes and ears.

00:32:11.640 A lot of what these media people do, especially at the level of cable news and cable TV and network TV, is they give the audience permission to close its mind.

00:32:22.920 You don't need to learn anything more about this.

00:32:25.520 You already know.

00:32:26.980 Stick with what we said five years ago and we'll tell you if there's any revision.

00:32:32.760 They do it with COVID.

00:32:33.860 They do it with every issue.

00:32:35.240 You know, it always takes time to excavate the truth about issues, especially ones that have been presented as having only one side by the mainstream media.

00:32:46.000 Then it takes years, you know, between the establishment resistance and the media's resistance to get at the truth.

00:32:52.920 Then as you get at it, they come out and say, it's old news.

00:32:57.320 You already formed an opinion.

00:32:59.680 Don't change it.

00:33:00.900 If you want to change it, we'll let you know when.

00:33:03.680 And until then, yeah, move on.

00:33:06.900 And that's we might change it when we get a new president in there who does exactly the same stuff. 0.54

00:33:10.800 And then we'll see it entirely differently.

00:33:12.820 We promise if it's as long as it's Democrat in there.

00:33:15.700 But like you just listen, Trump tweeted out today or truth social doubt today.

00:33:19.960 Something to the effect of I could have Putin give us St. Petersburg and Moscow.

00:33:25.620 And this press would still be like, it's a fail.

00:33:28.940 Well, you know, somehow, whatever, we don't want the hassle of having all those beautiful river canals in St. Petersburg.

00:33:36.500 We don't want a riverfront property where we can sip our wine.

00:33:40.100 It's a fail.

00:33:40.820 He should have gotten a better city out of Russia.

00:33:42.360 And you listen to, like, the coverage of that Trump-Putin moment on Friday.

00:33:47.320 And it's just he's so right.

00:33:49.020 It's glaring.

00:33:50.180 This soundbite, I have a bunch of soundbites of people just ripping him. 1.00

00:33:53.100 But here's one of, well, just take a listen.

00:33:55.960 You'll hear why I'm playing it.

00:33:56.840 Sod 18.

00:33:57.240 It was just very unusual, atypical.

00:34:02.940 And I think we're all awaiting, you know, the readout because the way that it felt in the room was not good.

00:34:11.820 It did not seem like things went well.

00:34:14.620 And that's Fox.

00:34:15.420 And it seemed like Putin came in and steamrolled.

00:34:16.540 A lot of the press corps that was there, they reported in the minutes and hours after the presser that they saw members of the administration, like Carolyn Leavitt, look ashen.

00:34:25.160 Yes.

00:34:25.500 Almost frightened after what they had seen behind closed doors.

00:34:29.360 Leavitt appeared to be a bit stressed out, anxious.

00:34:32.100 Their eyes were wide, almost ashen.

00:34:34.140 This was not the way the president likes to do things.

00:34:36.860 He likes to be the producer of this presidency.

00:34:38.900 OK, there is zero chance that Carolyn Leavitt was Leavitt was ashen or stunned with wide eyes.

00:34:47.180 There's zero, zero chance.

00:34:49.100 Those last two soundbites, MSNBC.

00:34:51.080 And by the way, Jackie Henrich of Fox News is like he got steamrolled.

00:34:54.720 It is customary to let the opposing president, the visiting president, speak first to have the first shot at, you know, saying anything because he's come to you.

00:35:06.720 So that was one tradition that Trump actually honored.

00:35:10.180 And the media, rather than saying Trump honored tradition here, he got steamrolled.

00:35:16.200 She was ashen. 0.56

00:35:17.380 She had big eyes. 1.00

00:35:19.380 Bullshit. 1.00

00:35:20.100 This is so crazy, Walter. 1.00

00:35:22.400 No, it is.

00:35:23.580 It's like hearing a medium or some sort of spiritual reading of the thing.

00:35:28.340 You know, the feeling was bad.

00:35:30.240 The spirits were angry.

00:35:32.420 You know, the Ouija board said yet.

00:35:35.100 Yeah, don't they have news to report?

00:35:38.640 Why are they so uniformly ill-wishing for this?

00:35:44.900 I mean, let's get real.

00:35:47.160 There must be some massive interest group that is ongoing, that predates Trump, and that has a lot at stake here in us failing to reach a peace accord under Trump.

00:36:00.020 It's not just hostility to Trump.

00:36:04.080 It's a combo, right?

00:36:04.980 Military-industrial complex and its control over, you know, many pockets of our society.

00:36:10.440 But the media, I think, comes by it in a way, honestly.

00:36:13.840 They just hate Trump, and everything he does will be viewed through the negative prism.

00:36:17.440 It's not that they have an active interest in seeing the military-industrial complex go on.

00:36:21.480 It's like, I'm rooting against him.

00:36:23.760 And in general, I'm rooting for war. 0.97

00:36:25.380 I mean, in general, they know that they're supposed to root for war.

00:36:28.620 I mean, they always have, right?

00:36:31.220 I mean, there isn't a war that they haven't been all for until Walter Cronkite famously soured on the Vietnam War late in the game.

00:36:39.540 And, you know, that's held out as some moment of cowering conscience in our history.

00:36:44.780 But the truth is, also, two of them came up with the word ashen at the same time.

00:36:51.340 I know the vocabularies of these reporters.

00:36:53.900 They're not that great.

00:36:55.340 That was not a coincidence.

00:36:58.160 What happens is these people are together more than they're apart, okay?

00:37:02.560 They're in a gaggle.

00:37:03.820 I remember the first time I went to a Republican convention, and I asked a reporter, I said,

00:37:11.540 where are you seated?

00:37:12.600 Where are you going to watch it?

00:37:13.340 And they said, oh, we're not actually going to the stadium.

00:37:15.540 We're going to go in a viewing room where we all sit together and crack jokes about it and, you know,

00:37:21.200 get together our lines about what we're going to write.

00:37:24.520 And that's what happened there.

00:37:26.520 You had all these reporters kept together.

00:37:28.760 They traded, you know, impressions and adjectives.

00:37:32.440 Yeah, she looked ashen.

00:37:33.300 Yeah, ashen.

00:37:34.960 Yeah.

00:37:35.780 It's groupthink divided up as though they all have, you know, they have separate heads but one body.

00:37:42.360 And sometimes you wonder, is Trump really, is it really Trump they hate?

00:37:49.360 Or is it perhaps that Trump, even at the very beginning of his term, promised to throw a wrench

00:37:56.960 into what might be coming, which was a long prepared for conflict with Russia?

00:38:05.380 The folks over at MSNBC are not taking their humiliation well, meaning the Tulsi Gabbard revelations.

00:38:15.380 I mean, we knew that they had pushed a false hoax on all of us with Russia, Russia, Russia. 0.92

00:38:20.460 Rachel Maddow, chief among them.

00:38:21.840 But we did a whole episode on Friday about how The Daily over at The New York Times,

00:38:27.200 their podcast, did the most disgusting, dishonest episode I've seen in a long time

00:38:32.160 with their compromised reporter, Michael Schmidt, who got a Pulitzer for his wrong reporting.

00:38:37.700 I mean, his completely getting the story wrong, the bent of it wrong, stories still up that are wrong, wrong, wrong,

00:38:44.680 that were so wrong he didn't repeat them in his own book about Russiagate.

00:38:47.600 In any event, he then went over to MSNBC to whitewash his terrible podcast from The New York Times

00:38:54.700 that had nothing but wrong, wrong, wrong statements in it.

00:38:57.560 And she didn't even disclose that she was married to the guy.

00:39:00.500 It's like total journalistic breach.

00:39:02.780 She has him on, and then she lets him whitewash the story more.

00:39:05.600 They whitewash it for the MSNBC viewers.

00:39:07.860 And here is how MSNBC sounded now over the weekend and in the wake of the Trump-Putin meeting.

00:39:15.840 Let's see if they're starting to get the story a little bit less wrong than they used to get it.

00:39:21.120 Here's Eric Swalwell on MSNBC on the weeknight, Friday evening, SOT 14.

00:39:29.020 Well, if you're Europe, you're quite worried now because you just saw the president of the United States achieve zero.

00:39:36.180 And they will have to ask themselves, what more are they willing to do,

00:39:40.020 knowing that they too could be thrown under the bus if Russia ever moved farther west? 0.98

00:39:46.100 But as far as objectives, I was hoping to hear that there would be a trilateral meeting.

00:39:51.100 That didn't come out of this.

00:39:52.060 I was hoping to hear there'd be a ceasefire.

00:39:53.300 That didn't come out of this.

00:39:53.960 And I was hoping to at least hear about the territory that would be proposed or exchanged by both sides.

00:40:01.240 That didn't come out of this.

00:40:02.760 Look, Alicia, I don't know if Donald Trump is or is not a Russian asset.

00:40:08.220 I do know that at press conferences like this and like at Helsinki, he certainly acts like one.

00:40:14.200 And that is cold comfort for anyone in the United States, particularly in our military,

00:40:18.480 that the commander in chief would be so flattering of and so charming to a ruthless dictator like Vladimir Putin.

00:40:27.700 Oh, my God.

00:40:29.020 Psaki, Nicole Wallace, all sitting there.

00:40:33.100 I mean, why does Nicole Wallace always look like she just sucked a lemon before she went on the air? 1.00

00:40:39.860 Training of some kind.

00:40:41.460 It's training of some kind.

00:40:43.060 And she's not allowed to show emotion, lest she might show, you know, positive emotion.

00:40:49.780 Humanity.

00:40:50.500 And they all sat there.

00:40:51.880 They all sat there for that, Walter.

00:40:53.300 They said nothing.

00:40:54.700 Stop with the Russian asset nonsense. 1.00

00:40:57.020 Just stop it, you nutcase. 0.97

00:40:59.120 It's starting to remind me of 1960s thrillers like Seven Days in May about a coup. 0.92

00:41:06.800 He just spoke to the military of the United States and said,

00:41:10.620 I think your boss is a Russian agent or I don't know if he is, but you should be very disturbed by this. 0.92

00:41:17.680 Does he want a mutiny?

00:41:19.900 What does he want?

00:41:20.720 I mean, that is the kind of breathtaking language that used to be used of by the right sometimes of like Jane Fonda during the Vietnam era.

00:41:30.860 Right.

00:41:31.120 The true crazies.

00:41:32.400 Yeah. 0.97

00:41:32.680 Is she a commie or what? 0.96

00:41:34.140 Or it was used by Joe McCarthy of Hollywood people.

00:41:38.100 Ah, you're, you know, you're a red agent. 0.97

00:41:40.980 You're in Hollywood to disrupt America's way of life. 0.57

00:41:44.960 That is paranoid, crazy stuff.

00:41:47.780 And to be talking to the U.S. military around the back of their commander in chief about the notion that he might be working for the enemy is that we've gotten used to that is crazy and dangerous.

00:42:00.080 Well, and here we go.

00:42:02.400 The other narrative all over MSNBC was everything, everything Tulsi has released, even Trump's meeting with Putin is about covering up the Epstein scandal.

00:42:14.060 This is all an effort to get us to move off of Epstein.

00:42:17.780 Meanwhile, we've we've already moved off of Epstein like it was a scandal.

00:42:21.420 We we hit the president hard.

00:42:23.380 Many people on the right did.

00:42:24.800 Wasn't just a leftist story.

00:42:26.040 Then the left tried to make it all about Donald Trump. 0.99

00:42:28.320 That's about when most of us were like, you guys, you're insane. 0.99

00:42:31.540 Goodbye. 0.77

00:42:32.340 And they're still holding on over on MSNBC that everything, everything is a cover for the Epstein story.

00:42:40.280 I give you Lawrence O'Donnell here in Sat 16. 0.87

00:42:43.120 Donald Trump will fly to Alaska to meet with a war criminal who he has called a genius in order to avoid questions about a pedophile who raped children. 0.62

00:42:53.880 While Donald Trump was calling him a terrific guy. 0.96

00:42:59.940 I mean, like some of you got to give him some credits for those gymnastics.

00:43:05.060 Those are some impressive moves.

00:43:06.400 That's like the triple sow cow. 1.00

00:43:08.100 I'm mixing now gymnastics and ice skating.

00:43:10.620 In any event, it's impressive in its flexibility to get us from he's trying to end the Ukraine war and save lives to it's all made up to distract from Epstein.

00:43:23.820 And he managed to get Vladimir Putin here to help him do that.

00:43:26.600 Let's remember that this latest round of Epstein obsession was started by Elon Musk.

00:43:33.240 It wasn't started by the left.

00:43:35.300 They didn't resurrect Epstein, but they saw an opportunity after Elon Musk in the middle of some kind of a lover's quarrel with Trump brought it up.

00:43:44.860 Now, the NFL season is going to be a distraction from Epstein.

00:43:49.760 Everything you do is, you know.

00:43:52.000 Hurricane Aaron.

00:43:53.580 And how is he avoiding anything?

00:43:55.280 They're talking about it nonstop.

00:43:57.360 You know, Trump's avoiding it by going to Alaska?

00:44:00.880 No, he isn't.

00:44:01.600 They won't shut up about it.

00:44:03.600 He just sent his deputy attorney general to go interview Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:44:07.100 The House Oversight Committee is trying to interview Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:44:10.040 Like, listen, it's not ideal, but it's a weird way to completely cover it up.

00:44:14.860 Megan, when Epstein died three days later, I wrote an op-ed for The New York Times.

00:44:21.620 They reached out to me out here in Montana because they didn't want to touch it back there in New York.

00:44:26.480 They thought semi-crazy Walter out there in Montana can maybe respectively ask the question of whether everything's kosher about this death.

00:44:35.040 He's been alone with the moose and the bears long enough that he can get away with this.

00:44:40.200 Yeah, we'll put it on him.

00:44:41.700 You know, let Mikey do it.

00:44:43.060 And so let Walter ask questions about Epstein.

00:44:46.360 So I did.

00:44:47.680 And I did it when The New York Times wouldn't touch it, when nobody would touch it.

00:44:52.860 For years, I have researched this and followed it at an almost unhealthy level.

00:44:57.340 And I'll tell you, for many years, you were called QAnon if you cared about Epstein, if you cared about pedophilia, if you cared about where are the missing children and so on.

00:45:08.340 Suddenly, it's the, you know, you're not a card-carrying Democrat unless Epstein is your greatest concern.

00:45:14.740 That's so true.

00:45:15.740 Where were you?

00:45:16.540 Where were you, people?

00:45:18.980 You're exactly right.

00:45:20.220 Honestly, it's like they couldn't have had less interest. 0.98

00:45:22.880 And if you said, like, Epstein didn't kill himself, then they'd be like, you're a true nutcase. 0.99

00:45:28.600 There's something wrong with you. 0.96

00:45:29.920 And now they're all in.

00:45:31.620 And now you've got in-depth CBS News pieces deconstructing the prison cell video frame by frame.

00:45:40.820 Here's a hit.

00:45:41.900 Here's a hit.

00:45:42.740 Here's what it doesn't show.

00:45:43.960 Like, oh, oh, hello.

00:45:45.940 Welcome to the party.

00:45:47.040 Come on in.

00:45:47.640 The water's fine.

00:45:48.560 It's great to see you, Lawrence O'Donnell.

00:45:50.420 So glad you finally care about Epstein.

00:45:52.360 But it's like it's such a joke.

00:45:54.140 And even in his world, like, think of it.

00:45:56.420 How do you get to the point where Trump Trump in trying to negotiate a peace in Ukraine, like all of that, which started pre-Trump.

00:46:08.040 This whole thing with Putin, the summit, like this is all to distract from Epstein.

00:46:12.480 I mean, truly, I don't think you're appreciating his his backflips enough, Walter.

00:46:17.520 You're not giving him enough credit.

00:46:19.640 Lawrence O'Donnell, you mean?

00:46:21.040 Yes.

00:46:21.400 Trump's.

00:46:21.880 Well, it is it is a desperate situation when they have to claim that an investigation into Russiacate that has literally been going on since 2018.

00:46:34.860 I mean, I mean, Horowitz, Kash Patel, a lot of this evidence was locked up by John Bolton, of all people, in a in a safe.

00:46:43.100 I mean, it's not as though Trump reached back into time and said, you know, how can I go back and create a six year investigation that will cover up that will distract from Epstein in May 2025?

00:46:58.520 And by the way, Walter, by the way, if what Tulsi had released, which did come on the heels of Epstein, had been a nothing burger, had been like she's trying to make something out of nothing.

00:47:09.520 Then maybe we'd say, oh, all right.

00:47:11.380 Yeah.

00:47:11.700 I mean, it's just this is the classic like look over here.

00:47:14.200 But it did not turn out to be that at all.

00:47:16.580 There have been true bombshells in what she's revealed.

00:47:19.900 And then the CIA director as well.

00:47:21.800 Like just ask your co-host, Matt Taibbi's been amazing on all of this.

00:47:26.260 So the nerve to try to be like the whole thing is made up like, hello, I was open minded that on day one.

00:47:32.680 I was.

00:47:33.060 My audience knows that.

00:47:33.900 Like if there's no there there, I will tell them there's no there there.

00:47:37.080 There's there there.

00:47:37.800 There's lots of there.

00:47:38.620 There's there everywhere.

00:47:40.300 And and we're and we're probably going to see indictments.

00:47:43.280 There's so much there there because we have been told that this has gone to grand juries.

00:47:47.660 And if these people are good politicians and good lawyers, they have some confidence that those grand juries are going to return indictments if they talk about it, you know, in advance.

00:47:59.580 That's right.

00:47:59.860 And the biggest revelation of all was that the Russians supposedly knew back in the spring of 2016 that Hillary was planning on blaming if Trump was nominated, she was going to blame him or try to attach him to Russia as a campaign strategy, which is exactly what she went and did.

00:48:22.280 In other words, they they caught them planning a hoax and then they went ahead with the hoax.

00:48:28.580 That's exactly right.

00:48:29.300 We were debating this on our show on Friday with Aaron Maté and Michael Schellenberger, because Maté was like, well, I don't know about those two Russian emails that allegedly show one of Hillary's top guys saying she's got a whole plot.

00:48:42.760 She's going to try to tie Trump to Russia because I don't know.

00:48:45.400 That might be Russian disinformation.

00:48:47.120 The Russian emails themselves say the analysis that John Durham came up with says they might have been an amalgam of other Russian documents showing that she was trying to do this.

00:48:59.520 But the but Michael Schellenberger pointed out that some of the top officials within the intel agencies themselves were saying, no, we do believe that these are legit emails.

00:49:08.380 But secondly, and most importantly, she did it.

00:49:11.520 She did exactly that.

00:49:13.300 So why should we doubt that the Russians knew she was going to do it?

00:49:16.820 They called the shot Babe Ruth style and then she did the exact thing. 1.00

00:49:21.140 Oh, man.

00:49:23.700 All I'll say is this.

00:49:25.940 There is far more evidence for a Russiagate hoax than there was for Donald Trump as Putin's stooge.

00:49:32.380 A thousand times more.

00:49:34.060 Yes.

00:49:35.360 Well, and they're still grappling with that.

00:49:36.900 And by the way, we have reason to believe that there will be disclosures this week relating to the media, the media who are complicit in pushing these stories.

00:49:46.940 So we're going to be watching John Solomon and all the other great reporters who have been neck deep in this for those reveals.

00:49:52.540 Walter stays with me.

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00:51:12.120 Walter, speaking of Russiagate, James Comey is in the news today.

00:51:16.440 He could be getting indicted any day.

00:51:19.440 And but his mind is in a more peaceful place.

00:51:21.740 He's he's being reflective.

00:51:24.580 He's thinking about what matters and has begun a sub stack with this offering.

00:51:31.440 You see, Taylor Swift and I go way back.

00:51:34.920 I went to the first concert of hers 15 years ago.

00:51:38.300 I've been to a second and I have helped financially support the attendance of a lot of family members and others.

00:51:44.500 I'm in a family's Swifty group chat.

00:51:48.360 I know all her music and I listen to it in my headphones when I cut the grass.

00:51:52.920 So, yes, I have a favorite of hers.

00:51:54.720 Although, honestly, for me, it's a tie between all too well, 10 minute version and Exile featuring Bon Iver.

00:52:02.940 There's more.

00:52:03.740 Stand by.

00:52:04.160 Watch.

00:52:05.340 Like a lot of you, I struggle with how to stand up to bullies without letting their meanness infect me and change me.

00:52:12.260 I don't want us to become like Trump and his followers here.

00:52:16.940 I am not an advocate for weakness. 0.99

00:52:19.680 Of course, we need to stand up to jerks and defend what matters. 0.97

00:52:24.040 But I think we have to try to do that without becoming like them, which is what makes me think about Taylor Swift. 0.98

00:52:30.920 While our elderly makeup covered president is posting about whether Taylor Swift is still hot and declaring that he can't stand her. 0.59

00:52:39.600 What's she doing?

00:52:40.300 Living her best life.

00:52:43.060 At my second Taylor Swift concert in Hartford, Connecticut, 14 years ago this summer, she sang a song about this topic, asking, why you got to be so mean?

00:52:54.420 Oh, my God.

00:52:55.240 And she spoke directly to the nasty people. 1.00

00:52:58.980 I bet you got pushed around. 0.90

00:53:00.860 Somebody made you cold.

00:53:02.560 But the cycle ends right now because you can't lead me down that road.

00:53:08.140 Is it over?

00:53:08.760 Is it done?

00:53:12.400 Yes, man.

00:53:14.120 It's so cringy.

00:53:15.900 It's so creepy.

00:53:17.260 It's like some strange person at church or a vice principal trying to relate to you.

00:53:22.840 You know, they've got you in a room.

00:53:25.320 You're 13 years old.

00:53:27.140 For the listening audience, Walter's doing the eyebrow raise and lower.

00:53:33.260 Oh, hello.

00:53:34.580 Little girl, thank you for coming back when I called you.

00:53:39.220 First of all, James Comey is trying not to become a bully.

00:53:43.340 James Comey, the one who just tweeted out a picture of 86, 47.

00:53:49.000 We don't want to become like the bullies who harass us.

00:53:52.860 You actually are under investigation for possibly, it looked like to me and many others, calling for the murder of the sitting president.

00:54:00.720 So maybe, maybe you needed more Taylor Swift that day.

00:54:05.800 Maybe your demons got the better of you, Jim.

00:54:09.160 But just the weird self-helpy tone and like, like a lot of you.

00:54:14.560 And meanwhile, he's in a coat and tie, right?

00:54:16.700 It's like, you're, you're trying to be this like, oh, shucks.

00:54:20.040 Taylor's our girl.

00:54:20.960 She's our muse for tough times.

00:54:22.980 In your suit and coat, talking about how you went to see her when you were the head of Bridgewater and about to be made FBI director.

00:54:29.820 I, there's too much weirdness for me to digest in one like sentence here, Walter.

00:54:34.700 That he's memorized Taylor Swift lyrics is one of the most embarrassing admissions I've ever seen an adult make.

00:54:44.200 Also, he's standing against a wall that looks like he may not be a free man.

00:54:49.140 I'm not sure where he, you know, that could be, that could be almost anywhere in the world.

00:54:54.620 Is he still in the United States?

00:54:56.400 It's unclear.

00:54:57.620 Also, I love how, I love how buying tickets for your kids is financially supporting people attending Taylor Swift concerts.

00:55:07.120 Oh, what a fancy way of saying I gave my kids some money to buy tickets.

00:55:12.180 Right.

00:55:12.300 If he's such a giant fan.

00:55:13.200 Everything he does is so altruistic.

00:55:14.900 He hasn't been to a concert for 14 years, but he's her biggest fan.

00:55:20.460 What?

00:55:21.960 This makes me wonder also if there was a prearrangement with Taylor Swift.

00:55:26.380 Would she agree to be name checked at length in this way?

00:55:29.940 Or did he surprise her?

00:55:32.000 Because she just became uncool by proxy.

00:55:35.660 Like the last thing a teenager wants to do is go to the FBI approved concert.

00:55:42.140 And by the way, what's with like, well, like the way he's talking about her is exactly the kind of language that would put a red alert on an, on an FBI agent investigating someone like she and I go way back.

00:55:57.540 I've known her for 15 years.

00:56:00.320 No, you don't know her.

00:56:01.620 You went to a concert that you, you don't know Taylor Swift.

00:56:04.700 You saw her on a big screen at a concert.

00:56:07.140 You and she have no relationship, sir.

00:56:09.100 Or step away from the Taylor Swift doll.

00:56:11.880 It's like, it's very creepy.

00:56:14.840 And it's amazing to me that we used to respect this man so much.

00:56:19.040 And by the way, he's been in the business of ruining lives for a long, long time.

00:56:23.000 Look what he's tried to do to Donald Trump, right?

00:56:25.060 With the whole, the Russiagate stuff.

00:56:26.900 And now he actually wants to lecture us on being like nice and appealing to your better angels.

00:56:32.080 Instead of becoming the bullies that affect us, we can't become the bullies.

00:56:36.820 It's like, you actually went after Donald Trump and tried to, to sick the entire FBI on him. 0.99

00:56:43.500 You came up with false charges against him, which you knew were bullshit. 0.99

00:56:47.140 Meanwhile, you ran cover for Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:56:49.160 And while you're lecturing us on being super sweet, you're calling him our elderly man wearing makeup who sits in the White House.

00:56:57.140 Like, I'm not sure you're picking up what you're putting down there, Jim.

00:57:01.200 He could have used some makeup.

00:57:03.060 Did you see how white the area around his eyes was?

00:57:06.500 One might even say ashen.

00:57:08.300 Yeah, one might say.

00:57:10.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:11.020 I would report stalker Jim Comey to the current FBI if I were Taylor Swift, you know, but also this, he seems terrified.

00:57:21.700 That is some kind of appeal to pop, to pop culture, maybe to a jury, hoping that, you know, he'll get a Taylor Swift fan on his jury.

00:57:31.480 That is the most odd choice of appeals when you are in legal peril that I've ever seen.

00:57:41.360 And it can only be, in my estimation, because it didn't convince anybody out there who's a civilian, an attempt to make himself look human to a potential jury.

00:57:54.260 Or one that's sitting right now in a grand jury room somewhere.

00:57:57.900 You cannot be bullied.

00:58:00.600 You were the former FBI director.

00:58:04.100 Like, that is literally the height of power, of law enforcement power.

00:58:10.400 Right, in the United States of America.

00:58:13.160 You're unbullyable, James Comey.

00:58:16.260 And I realize you're no longer in the role, but you, the reason people are interested in you is because you held that power for years.

00:58:24.660 And, it seems very clear, abused it, as we're learning more every day.

00:58:29.900 The nerve to run out there and act like he's been bullied.

00:58:33.020 And it reminds me of, I had negative commentary about Beyonce not long ago. 0.99

00:58:37.840 And some moron on Twitter was like, said something similar. 0.99

00:58:40.960 Like, it's amazing to see the people Trump-bullied become bullies themselves. 1.00

00:58:46.160 I can't bully Beyonce. 0.99

00:58:48.540 She's literally one of the richest, most famous, most successful artists in the world.

00:58:56.240 It's not possible to bully her.

00:58:58.100 And, by the way, this is a McDonald's, madam.

00:59:01.760 Like, she's on X complaining about barbs against other people. 0.99

00:59:06.480 Like, go to Instagram if you're looking for soft talk or maybe James Comey's sub stack.

00:59:12.400 But on Twitter, we throw sharp elbows. 1.00

00:59:14.740 If you don't like it, get the fuck off. 0.99

00:59:17.320 Sorry. 0.99

00:59:17.680 These people know something's coming. 0.92

00:59:21.060 This was a, you know, a very pathetic PR move. 0.95

00:59:28.040 I don't know who advised it. 0.93

00:59:29.500 I hope maybe one of his daughters was listening to a Taylor Swift album or whoever it is in his family who attends these concerts.

00:59:36.560 But this guy is about six foot eight, by the way.

00:59:39.480 Okay.

00:59:40.700 A six foot eight FBI director is in two ways an intimidating person.

00:59:47.680 And now he looks frightened.

00:59:50.060 And now he's making fun of other people's appearances.

00:59:53.040 And he's, you know, talking about not being dragged down into the dirt.

00:59:57.620 Isn't Taylor Swift, by the way, famous for getting revenge on every ex-boyfriend that she's ever had? 1.00

01:00:03.240 I mean, she's not exactly a pushover herself.

01:00:09.700 I mean, she takes revenge on people after they break up with her or whatever. 0.99

01:00:17.680 In a way, it's a very Trumpian aspect of her personality.

01:00:23.100 You know, she's not the only one who could potentially be indicted, who might just be out there trying to soften someone before that bad event occurs.

01:00:34.400 Hillary Clinton made some obviously insincere comment about nominating Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize under very, very limited circumstances that no one's actually discussing.

01:00:47.240 And there is some speculation, including from our own link, Lauren, that this may be an attempt to soften Trump on her.

01:00:56.420 Take a listen here.

01:00:57.940 He gains nothing by capitulating to Putin.

01:01:01.940 I understand from everything I've read, he very much would like to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

01:01:08.400 And honestly, if he could bring about the end to this terrible war where Putin is the aggressor, invading a neighbor country, try to change the borders.

01:01:22.060 If he could end it without putting Ukraine in a position where it had to concede its territory to the aggressor, had to, in a way, validate Putin's vision of greater Russia, but instead could really stand up to Putin, something we haven't seen.

01:01:44.340 But maybe this is the opportunity, a good faith efforts, let us say, not to threaten European security.

01:01:50.920 If we could pull that off, if President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

01:01:58.200 OK, so then President Trump actually responded when he was asked about this.

01:02:05.860 Watch.

01:02:06.040 In fact, did you see that Hillary Clinton yesterday said that if you got this deal done and not capitulate to Putin, that she would nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize?

01:02:20.100 If President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

01:02:24.560 Well, that was very nice.

01:02:28.220 I may have to start liking her again.

01:02:30.820 Don't do it, President Trump.

01:02:32.500 Do not buy it.

01:02:33.640 Do not take the bait.

01:02:34.580 And by the way, she said if Ukraine doesn't have to concede any of its territory, which is not a realistic condition, as she puts it.

01:02:44.540 So she gives herself the out in the premise as she offers it.

01:02:48.400 Your thoughts on whether she, too, is trying to soften someone who may have control in some way over her future freedom? 0.75

01:02:57.760 She's licking his hand. 0.94

01:02:59.200 And, you know, she came up and she gave a little tentative lick of the hand to show that there are, you know, there are circumstances in which she might team up with him.

01:03:10.260 And Trump, you know, one of Trump's charms and one of his weaknesses is that no matter who flatters him.

01:03:18.000 I mean, if Charles Manson came out and said he loved Trump, Trump would say, you know, Manson isn't a bad guy.

01:03:23.860 It's not all bad.

01:03:25.340 You know, he really does respond to it.

01:03:28.280 And I thought he was a little too soft on her, you know.

01:03:34.220 I know.

01:03:35.740 Because she either did bad things or she didn't.

01:03:38.620 And she tried to ruin your presidency. 0.95

01:03:42.940 She would have loved for you to be in jail for a fake made up for hoax controversy.

01:03:48.580 What are you saying?

01:03:49.580 It was like, obviously, off the cuff, but absolutely no.

01:03:52.840 There will be no softening on Hillary Clinton.

01:03:54.600 None.

01:03:55.940 Well, let's hope not.

01:03:57.520 I mean, if if if the goods are there, they're there.

01:04:00.060 And it doesn't matter if she comes and kneels at your doorstep. 0.87

01:04:03.700 Correct.

01:04:03.980 But my sense is that the real peace negotiation in the world right now is between Hillary and Trump.

01:04:11.900 The Zelensky and Putin Trump negotiation may have already been settled behind the scenes.

01:04:17.980 But Hillary and Trump and James Comey and Trump are actively engaged in negotiations.

01:04:23.840 And that one can never be that one can never be settled.

01:04:26.280 All right.

01:04:26.640 Now, while we're on the subject of possible indictments, we are looking at an update on the possible indictments of Adam

01:04:33.700 Schiff and Letitia James, New York State's attorney general, Tish James is an Adams, Adam Schiff,

01:04:40.600 now the senator from California, but longtime House of Representatives member.

01:04:45.300 The special prosecutor, special attorney Ed Martin, who's been appointed by the DOJ to look into both of those cases,

01:04:53.540 was spotted checking out Tish James's home in Brooklyn on Friday.

01:05:00.280 He went out there.

01:05:01.200 This is the home.

01:05:02.060 She's got a couple of problems. 1.00

01:05:03.140 She's got one home that she said was her primary residence, I think, down in Maryland, which it isn't.

01:05:08.680 She lives in New York.

01:05:09.620 She's the New York State Attorney General.

01:05:11.140 But she said it was her primary mortgage because you can get the allegation is you can get a more favorable interest rate or mortgage rate if it's your primary residence.

01:05:21.000 And the allegation is she lied in order to do that, which is mortgage fraud.

01:05:25.340 Her defense is it was a mistake.

01:05:27.880 Virginia, Virginia.

01:05:28.720 I keep mixing up Maryland and Virginia.

01:05:31.160 Her defense is it was an honest mistake.

01:05:33.100 And I had disclosed to the mortgage broker two weeks earlier that it was not going to be my primary residence.

01:05:39.480 That's one of her problems. 1.00

01:05:41.380 Another of her problems.

01:05:42.940 And by the way, this is not the complete list because she's also getting investigated for abusing the system in going after Donald Trump's business. 0.98

01:05:50.360 That's a separate inquiry by the DOJ.

01:05:52.240 But before we get there, we've got the inquiry into whether in getting this house in Brooklyn and a mortgage on that one, she lied and said that this building has four units because the truth is, we are told, it has five units.

01:06:10.220 It's a five unit dwelling.

01:06:11.620 And she is accused of buying this property, 296 Lafayette Avenue, and misrepresenting it again on her mortgage applications as having only four units, not five, which allowed her to qualify for loans with better interest rates and lower down payments.

01:06:31.940 So Ed Martin, the DOJ's Ed Martin, goes out there and kicks the tires on her home. 0.57

01:06:37.520 Do we have that video?

01:06:38.680 I thought I saw that here on our list.

01:06:40.280 Yes, here it is.

01:06:43.420 You tell me why you're here.

01:06:45.460 We're interested in the houses.

01:06:47.260 You're not interested in the houses.

01:06:48.900 We know who lives here.

01:06:50.100 This is like Second Empire. 0.65

01:06:52.220 It's just a track house.

01:06:54.480 I know.

01:06:55.160 But when was it built?

01:06:56.280 They're built before 1899.

01:06:58.980 Oh, so.

01:06:59.620 OK.

01:07:01.900 Why are you being so disingenuous about what you're here for?

01:07:05.000 What business of yours, nosy neighbor?

01:07:08.600 It's my neighborhood.

01:07:09.560 It's my block.

01:07:10.460 I have a right to know what you guys were.

01:07:12.040 No, you don't.

01:07:12.460 I'm happy to.

01:07:12.980 Official capacity.

01:07:14.380 I'm just happy to be on a block looking at a house.

01:07:16.940 That's not true.

01:07:18.480 Why?

01:07:19.340 No, he is happy.

01:07:20.580 Why won't you be honest with me about what you're doing?

01:07:23.480 You are actually.

01:07:24.020 Oh, my God.

01:07:24.700 I don't answer to you, bad die job lady. 1.00

01:07:37.600 What?

01:07:38.120 Say again. 0.87

01:07:38.440 Can you imagine what she was like during COVID?

01:07:42.200 I mean, she was probably walking around the supermarket, you know.

01:07:45.500 Did you touch that cantaloupe?

01:07:47.640 Yeah.

01:07:47.860 Why aren't you wearing gloves?

01:07:48.980 So many Americans learned to be junior detectives and cops in the last few years, and now they 0.51

01:07:55.640 are underemployed.

01:07:57.860 Ed Martin needed to give her the line my mom used to give me when I was little, which was,

01:08:02.620 stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about.

01:08:05.380 You're next. 1.00

01:08:06.300 Shut up or you're next, lady. 1.00

01:08:09.500 Mind your own beeswax was my mom's turn. 1.00

01:08:12.180 I don't answer to you, you cretin. 1.00

01:08:14.140 Shut up. 1.00

01:08:14.900 Leave me alone. 1.00

01:08:15.700 I'm Ed fucking Martin. 1.00

01:08:16.760 I'm here to investigate the attorney general, but it's none of your damn business. 0.99

01:08:20.560 Go read the New York Post like everyone else. 0.98

01:08:23.180 He's a little Tish James defender out there trying to like cross-examine Ed Martin.

01:08:27.720 Okay, sister, you're a real tough guy.

01:08:29.560 Having said all that, I do appreciate the questions because, you know,

01:08:31.760 I also want to know the answers.

01:08:35.980 I thought they showed endless good humor with her.

01:08:38.760 I mean, she was pushing it.

01:08:41.140 She wanted them to lose their temper, and there was somebody filming. 0.95

01:08:44.920 Remember, you always forget whenever you see something like that, that means there's

01:08:50.020 somebody that you're not seeing holding up a camera, and she was performing for that

01:08:54.800 person and trying to get their goat, and they weren't buying it.

01:08:58.060 And she wound up on the Megyn Kelly show, so good for her.

01:09:00.620 But do we think that we will likely see indictments?

01:09:07.220 Because grand juries right now in Virginia and Maryland, the two jurisdictions where she 0.99

01:09:13.440 conducted this nonsense, and maybe Brooklyn as well, I don't know, are currently weighing

01:09:18.420 criminal indictments for James and Schiff, respectively, over the allegations, because

01:09:23.840 he too is, he's accused in Maryland of doing something similar, declaring the Maryland home

01:09:28.620 his primary residence.

01:09:29.840 When it wasn't, he lived in California.

01:09:31.640 So both of these two got second homes, said that they were primary mortgages, and are under

01:09:36.160 investigation right now.

01:09:37.160 Do you think we are likely to see indictments?

01:09:39.440 Yes, I do, because the supposed felon, Donald Trump, the 34-time convicted felon, was convicted

01:09:51.000 for a process crime, a documentary crime, misfiling his payoff to Stormy Daniels.

01:10:03.940 In other words, it was a paperwork crime, and these are paperwork crimes, which actually are

01:10:11.440 a little bit more in the fraudulent sense, because they save money for the people.

01:10:15.920 Um, and, uh, it isn't just an attempt to look good, or whatever Donald Trump was doing.

01:10:21.940 Um, and so, why not?

01:10:24.380 I mean, uh, game theory suggests that if you play tit for tat, uh, you stay even.

01:10:30.940 Why let them get ahead of this process?

01:10:34.720 You know, why not make them 34-time convicted felons, too, if that's the way it's going to

01:10:41.100 be, that's the way it's going to be.

01:10:42.820 Bear rules.

01:10:43.660 Here's, uh, Ed Martin himself on, uh, Sunday Morning Futures on Fox, speaking to the visit

01:10:50.060 that he paid to Tish James' home, Sot24.

01:10:53.940 Well, you went to Letitia James' home this week.

01:10:57.860 You were in New York.

01:11:00.880 Yeah, look, I'm a prosecutor, and when I do these cases, I was in New York for, I was in

01:11:05.700 Newark, actually, New Jersey, for some meetings, and I went over to New York for another meeting,

01:11:09.460 and I went by there.

01:11:10.320 Uh, the, one of the referrals is about that property that she has, is a very, uh, a prominent,

01:11:15.020 uh, neighborhood in Brooklyn, and there, and I wanted to lay eyes on it.

01:11:18.380 I think most people, if you know, if you're, if you're prosecuting something, you're careful.

01:11:22.320 I didn't go there and announce it.

01:11:23.860 I, some woman came storming up and, and shooting video and, and talking to me, but I wanted to 0.50

01:11:28.620 see the property.

01:11:29.180 And, and there's a number of other aspects of these cases where you got to get a sense

01:11:32.800 of what is actually, actually at stake.

01:11:34.820 Do you have a grand jury in these cases?

01:11:39.000 Let me say, when you get a criminal referral, um, one of the tools you have is a grand jury,

01:11:43.060 and I'll leave it to you to infer what I mean.

01:11:46.660 So, yes.

01:11:49.340 Yeah, the answer is yes.

01:11:50.780 I mean, they, they portray everything Donald Trump does as revenge, but doing it second,

01:11:58.120 it doesn't mean you're taking revenge.

01:11:59.640 It just means you're evening the scales.

01:12:02.880 I doubt she would be in this situation.

01:12:05.980 Okay.

01:12:06.720 If she had not prosecuted him in the way she did.

01:12:10.940 At the same time, our politics is going to either settle down or it's going to get really

01:12:16.980 petty.

01:12:17.340 And it's going to get really petty for a while before it settles down is my prediction.

01:12:23.320 Okay.

01:12:23.820 There was another visit to one of Tish James's homes.

01:12:28.140 This one was paid by the Daily Caller to the home she has in Virginia.

01:12:33.480 So it's like, I got, I can't keep track of all her homes.

01:12:36.080 This is New York city, New York state's public servant, by the way, she's got the home in Brooklyn, 0.99

01:12:40.660 which she said was a four unit dwelling, which is really a five unit dwelling.

01:12:44.580 Then she's got the home in, um, again, Virginia.

01:12:51.480 And that one she said was her primary residence, but it's not a primary residence because she

01:12:57.160 lives in New York.

01:12:57.880 So presumably that's a third home.

01:12:59.660 Cause I don't think she lives in that Brooklyn home. 0.99

01:13:01.800 And, um, here's what happened when the Daily Caller, when this story first broke, went out

01:13:06.460 to take a look at that home down South.

01:13:08.560 Hi there.

01:13:11.780 I'm a reporter with the Daily Caller.

01:13:13.780 I understand we, we mean no, we mean no trouble.

01:13:20.620 We're just curious who, who the occupants of the home are because there's, that's none of

01:13:25.980 your business.

01:13:26.500 Well, there are connections, there are connections to New York attorney general, Letitia James.

01:13:32.220 That doesn't matter.

01:13:32.920 You're trespassing.

01:13:33.560 Are you related to Letitia James?

01:13:35.100 Do you know her?

01:13:36.220 You're trespassing.

01:13:37.080 Go with the house.

01:13:38.060 Do you know Letitia James?

01:13:39.280 No?

01:13:39.560 Okay.

01:13:39.780 You're trespassing.

01:13:40.480 No comment.

01:13:40.940 Thank you, ma'am.

01:13:41.320 Don't come up to my house no more. 0.70

01:13:42.440 Thank you, ma'am.

01:13:43.080 Thank you, ma'am.

01:13:43.640 You have a good one.

01:13:44.340 You will.

01:13:47.080 You will.

01:13:49.640 Hello there, ma'am.

01:13:50.400 No comment.

01:13:51.120 You're trespassing.

01:13:52.140 No comment?

01:13:53.080 Yeah, you're trespassing.

01:13:54.260 Okay, who lives here?

01:13:56.260 Who lives here, ma'am?

01:13:58.140 No comment.

01:13:58.980 No comment.

01:14:00.340 Okay.

01:14:02.100 So that was the Daily Caller trying to figure out whether Tish James lives in either of these

01:14:07.840 properties that could be her primary residence.

01:14:12.660 At the first property, they found, well, at both, they found that James does not appear

01:14:17.060 to be even a resident of either home, much less have it be her primary residence.

01:14:21.860 One neighbor of the first property they went to told Daily Caller that he believes a black

01:14:26.820 woman and children inhabit the home, which had a basketball hoop in the driveway, but

01:14:30.920 did not recognize Tish James when shown a photo.

01:14:33.480 A second neighbor commented only to say that it's not the lady from New York, so it's not

01:14:39.620 Tish James living there.

01:14:41.240 At the second property, none of the residents of the neighboring homes knew much about the

01:14:44.860 inhabitants, but it doesn't seem like anybody recognized Tish James.

01:14:47.740 I'm sorry, Walter, but if you are going to be placed in a position like Tish James has

01:14:53.300 as Attorney General of the United States, by the way, Sam rolls for James Comey, and you

01:14:58.540 wield that power in a way where you are satisfying your own personal or political vendettas, you

01:15:06.760 deserve every ounce of pain you get once those enemies themselves are empowered.

01:15:13.660 And it's not that crimes can be made up, but unless your business is squeaky clean, you're

01:15:21.420 going to get it and you're going to deserve it.

01:15:25.020 She's a lawyer. 0.86

01:15:26.440 She's not only a lawyer, she's a lawyer for the public. 0.96

01:15:31.380 You know, she's an officer of the court and she's a representative of the people and she's 0.97

01:15:36.420 playing it this way, she has extra responsibility.

01:15:42.920 She has a duty to be worthy of those offices.

01:15:47.000 And she's a bad landlord, too. 1.00

01:15:49.680 Did you see that yellow house?

01:15:51.460 That thing needs a coat of paint. 1.00

01:15:54.780 I mean, I would be embarrassed to own that house if I was the landlord and be renting it out.

01:16:00.100 Oh my gosh.

01:16:01.620 She's got other attentions like Donald Trump. 0.99

01:16:04.080 That's what she's worried about.

01:16:04.820 That's why she's salivate when she looks at 40 Wall Street.

01:16:07.300 Oh, I can't wait until I seize it.

01:16:09.180 That'll be another place where I can commit another mortgage fraud.

01:16:11.880 She denies it all and demands proof.

01:16:14.540 President Trump just met with President Zelensky, meaning, you know, glad-handed as he arrived.

01:16:21.820 Here's a bit of that.

01:16:26.200 Shaking hands.

01:16:26.960 President Zelensky wearing a turtleneck with a suit coat.

01:16:52.100 So that's an improvement off of the last go-round, I think.

01:16:56.480 And standing next to President Donald Trump, who is kind of nice to the reporters, screaming out questions to him there about Russian President Vladimir Putin, not answering, but seemed to be in a good mood and said,

01:17:07.060 we love them about the world leaders from Europe who are attending for today's meeting.

01:17:11.580 Now all the drama will happen inside, and we will keep our eyes on that just to make sure it doesn't go off the rails as it did the last time.

01:17:20.660 Okay.

01:17:20.840 Let's keep going, because there's other stuff happening.

01:17:23.920 Gloria Gaynor, I will survive, is one of the people nominated by Donald Trump for a Kennedy Center Award, a Lifetime Achievement Award.

01:17:35.800 And that's nice.

01:17:36.940 Everybody knows that song.

01:17:38.940 Literally everybody in the world knows that song.

01:17:41.660 It's been celebrated for decades, and so good for her.

01:17:46.040 That's not exactly how the left is reacting.

01:17:48.260 Here is the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Tia Mitchell and her thoughts on this award, Saw 33.

01:17:57.760 I do believe, as much as the Trump administration has attacked DEI, I think they wanted a person of color on the list of Kennedy Center honorees.

01:18:07.600 And to me, the fact that Gloria Gaynor is the one person of color on the list indicates that they struggled to find a person of color who would agree to be on the list.

01:18:18.460 Because she doesn't have a huge body of work, which is what the Kennedy Center usually picks, is people who are icons in their genre of the arts.

01:18:28.800 And she's basically a one-hit wonder. 1.00

01:18:32.060 Mm-hmm.

01:18:33.140 Mm-hmm.

01:18:33.700 Okay.

01:18:34.220 Anna Navarro, too, urges Gloria Gaynor to reject the honor, saying,

01:18:40.000 She's a goddess and deserves all the flowers that come her way, but I wish she wouldn't accept an award from the hands of a man who has attacked the rights and history of women, people of color, and LGBTQ.

01:18:53.560 The gay community in particular helped turn her signature song into an anthem.

01:18:59.020 Trump is a stain on the prestige and significance of the Kennedy Center honors. 0.97

01:19:03.840 Don't do it, Gloria.

01:19:04.960 So now there's pressure, this is a new era, pressure on the awards nominees in the Trump era to reject the honors that they're being offered because Trump's evil, and now they're against what they perceive as DEI.

01:19:24.140 Oh, well, you know, they want to have it both ways.

01:19:27.820 They make all the rules, don't they?

01:19:29.340 You know, they tell you when you can receive an honor and when you must, and they tell you when you shouldn't and when you mustn't.

01:19:38.020 And they do it from on high, and they do it to people who've worked hard all their lives, and the answer to that for any self-respecting artist should be, F you, go away.

01:19:51.080 I mean, the first thing they notice about her is her race, right?

01:19:55.880 At the same time, they want to say that she's a token, basically.

01:20:01.580 That's what they're saying.

01:20:02.740 She's a token.

01:20:04.880 You can't have it both ways.

01:20:07.480 Yet, they always want it both ways.

01:20:10.080 And first of all, and also, Sylvester Stallone, we know he was going to get one.

01:20:17.120 You know, who are the other people there?

01:20:21.540 Kiss.

01:20:22.480 Now, that was the one I was told a little odd about.

01:20:26.120 What do you mean?

01:20:26.780 They totally deserve it.

01:20:28.500 Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, but Kiss is a bit of a novelty band, too.

01:20:33.100 I mean, they're not, you know, they're not.

01:20:35.420 But that's another one everybody knows.

01:20:37.880 Literally everybody on earth, like they revolutionized the genre in some ways.

01:20:41.960 Nobody was looking like that or acting like that.

01:20:44.720 You say Kiss in the context of rock.

01:20:47.560 Everybody has an image in their head.

01:20:49.000 They really are iconic.

01:20:49.920 My point is this.

01:20:52.720 That commentator, she derogated Gloria Gaynor. 0.80

01:21:00.120 Gloria Gaynor, the only black person on that list, was also the one who was unqualified, that person said.

01:21:06.660 According to them, right.

01:21:07.440 Why didn't she go after anybody else? 1.00

01:21:10.600 You know, that's a horrible reality of these racist commissars or these anti-racist commissars, is that they will tell you when you're an Uncle Sam and they will tell you when you're a shining light.

01:21:25.520 And they determine it and you're not an individual and they don't let her be one.

01:21:30.660 She has to be suddenly a representative of everybody.

01:21:33.680 And she can't just be Gloria Gaynor singer.

01:21:36.680 That's so true.

01:21:37.800 It's so true. 0.84

01:21:38.480 And it's I don't know Gloria Gaynor's politics at all.

01:21:41.560 I know Sly Stallone leans right.

01:21:44.240 I think Gene Simmons does, too, of Kiss.

01:21:46.960 So I don't maybe Trump did have some sort of a hey, let's see what conservatives have been ignored by the Kennedy Center for decades and see if we can write some of those wrongs.

01:21:59.480 Like elevate some of our people who have been completely rejected by the leftists who've been running this thing since its inception.

01:22:07.840 What's wrong with that?

01:22:09.160 That's awesome.

01:22:09.980 He should do that.

01:22:11.120 There are so many amazing conservative filmmakers and songwriters and performance artists and so on up and down the line who will never be honored under the old system.

01:22:21.060 Because as we saw from all the firings he did, it was a bunch of progressives who only believe in honoring their side.

01:22:27.100 It was like Bruce Springsteen back to the Kennedy Center.

01:22:29.800 Oh, sure.

01:22:30.100 What a shock.

01:22:30.800 So why not?

01:22:31.820 I don't know what her politics are, but she she must have done something that Trump agreed with.

01:22:36.760 These people are the ones who left right to it's their skin color because they see everybody through that lens.

01:22:41.500 They can't imagine that Gloria Gaynor.

01:22:43.480 You know, Trump's got his playlists.

01:22:45.260 He feels very strongly about music.

01:22:47.200 She's probably on it, to be honest.

01:22:49.200 And he's probably like, get Gloria.

01:22:51.040 I love her.

01:22:51.720 I think Trump knows more about Gloria Gaynor than James Comey does about Taylor Swift, probably.

01:22:58.440 And I and I and I think he loves the sentiment of I will survive.

01:23:02.120 That's secretly why I think he might have chosen it.

01:23:04.700 Here's a guy who survived an assassination attempt, who's been through everything.

01:23:09.560 And she sings the anthem of getting through tough things.

01:23:14.920 And frankly, suddenly what it's it's a demerit that she was a hero to the gay community.

01:23:21.340 That should be a wonderful thing.

01:23:23.520 She owes it to them now to reject this honor that's being paid to her otherwise.

01:23:28.900 And you mark my words if she doesn't.

01:23:31.360 I don't think she's commented on this yet, but if she doesn't reject it, she's going to be out.

01:23:35.680 There's going to be leftist pushback.

01:23:37.180 How dare you?

01:23:38.660 How could you?

01:23:39.600 Same as we've seen like some football players and other athletes who go to the White House.

01:23:43.100 Some of them get blowback like it was a betrayal of them to accept this honor of shaking hands with the president.

01:23:50.220 You know, the guy can't win if she shakes hands with Putin.

01:23:54.300 He's giving him too much credit.

01:23:56.260 If he shakes hands with Gloria Gaynor, she's she's a traitor for letting him shake her hand.

01:24:01.620 You know, these culture police want to look at every move that's made before the cameras and before the American audience.

01:24:08.860 And they want to award tickets and they want to discipline it and they want to be in control. 0.88

01:24:16.100 And one of the reasons there is a Donald Trump is this ridiculous, overbearing, condescending arrogance about who can do what, who can go where, who can be liked by whom. 0.95

01:24:27.620 And we're tired of it. 0.94

01:24:30.080 And, you know, by the way, the creators of Hamilton, they got a Kennedy Center award in the year that they created Hamilton.

01:24:36.900 Now, yes, it was a smash Broadway hit, but a lot more people know I will survive than no Alexander Hamilton.

01:24:45.960 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:24:46.800 Like, I'm sorry, but the relative scale of success favors Gloria Gaynor. 1.00

01:24:53.280 But nobody was complaining when Hamilton got awarded by the Kennedy Center honors because that was a play that made all the founding fathers black and Hispanic and had them sing about, you know, the creation of our foundational documents.

01:25:08.920 So that was OK, because it was elevating minorities.

01:25:12.820 But if you're a minority who elevates herself just with great talent and a great song, then you that's not OK, because it's evil orange man who's honoring you. 0.93

01:25:22.320 I'm like trying to keep up with the rules.

01:25:24.860 Minorities can be honored for honoring other minorities as long as it's a white president named Biden or maybe Trump.

01:25:34.200 I guess Trump was the president in 2018.

01:25:37.100 Was he being racist then?

01:25:39.340 Like, no, wait, Trump wasn't in charge of the Kennedy Center in 2018.

01:25:43.480 He still let the libs have it. 0.99

01:25:45.240 So I guess we were still playing under their rules.

01:25:47.360 It's very hard to keep up, Walter.

01:25:49.220 How if you are an artist who would like to accept a Kennedy Center award, how do you do the calculation?

01:25:55.180 What is the math?

01:25:56.140 Well, you first call up MSNBC and say, can you arrange a panel and determine whether or not I should be able to get this award or not?

01:26:04.660 What does Anna Navarro think? 1.00

01:26:06.640 Yeah.

01:26:07.020 I'll be sitting here down in the slave cabin waiting for the master of the plantation to tell me whether I can go up to the house or not.

01:26:14.720 That's right.

01:26:15.140 I mean, also, one thing I know about music, some of the greatest popular musicians have no hits.

01:26:23.260 Gloria Gaynor, whose work I'm afraid I don't know that well, could for all I know be one of the most inventive and dynamic popular musicians of our time.

01:26:32.560 Just because somebody knows her for one hit does not mean she hasn't had a wonderful, deep, and meaningful career.

01:26:41.080 And so for those people to simply slag her off as a one-hit wonder like that is, I think, deeply insulting and arrogant on their part.

01:26:51.640 It's amazing.

01:26:52.100 It's like if if Megyn Kelly looked at the Kennedy Center honorees under a Joe Biden presidency or really at any point prior to Trump taking it over and said that person is only there because of DEI, they'd say that's racist.

01:27:06.220 But they can say it when it's a Trump nominee because it's just factual.

01:27:10.880 Well, that's just obvious. 0.91

01:27:12.040 Trump would never nominate a black woman for her talent. 0.95

01:27:14.820 That's really what they're saying. 0.95

01:27:15.960 And they get away with it.

01:27:16.980 It's fine.

01:27:17.320 Like, of course, right, Gloria Gaynor can't possibly be there for her talent is because Trump is secretly doing DEI.

01:27:23.160 These people are what they accuse the right of being.

01:27:27.020 We have proof of it every day.

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01:30:46.480 Walter getting a little color from inside the White House as Zelensky and European leaders meet with President Trump.

01:30:53.260 Peter Doocy firing off a question to Donald Trump about what if it goes a certain way.

01:31:00.200 Listen here.

01:31:00.620 Is this the end of the road for American support for Ukraine?

01:31:05.340 Is today's meeting deal or no deal?

01:31:09.460 I can never say that.

01:31:10.780 It's never the end of the road.

01:31:11.880 People are being killed and we want to stop that.

01:31:14.120 So I would not say it's the end of the road.

01:31:16.480 No, I think we have a good chance of doing it.

01:31:19.640 Okay, so that's good.

01:31:21.740 That's classic Trump too, right?

01:31:23.180 Like, it's never the end.

01:31:25.040 Like, I'll decide when it's over.

01:31:26.480 Then there was a funny moment where at the last meeting in February, a reporter for Real America's Voice, Brian Glenn, gave Zelensky a hard time about not wearing a suit.

01:31:38.180 Well, he was there again today.

01:31:40.740 And as I mentioned, Zelensky is wearing close to a suit.

01:31:44.900 And the following exchange took place between those two men, same two men.

01:31:48.440 First of all, President Zelensky, you look fabulous in that suit.

01:31:53.460 I said the same thing.

01:31:54.620 Yeah, you look good.

01:31:55.600 I said the same thing.

01:31:57.020 Yeah.

01:31:57.400 I said the one that attacked you last time.

01:31:59.780 See, I remember that.

01:32:01.040 I apologize to you.

01:32:02.480 You look wonderful.

01:32:03.620 No, my first question for you, President Zelensky.

01:32:05.680 You're in the same suit.

01:32:09.340 You see, I changed you.

01:32:10.780 I'm off.

01:32:11.640 Maybe yours is much better.

01:32:15.160 That was funny.

01:32:16.380 So Zelensky says, you're in the same suit.

01:32:18.000 I changed, but you didn't.

01:32:19.260 That's good.

01:32:19.780 This is getting off on a better note, Walter, than the last time.

01:32:23.480 Right?

01:32:24.020 Like, he's giving some jazz out to the reporters and Trump seems in a good mood.

01:32:29.220 I feel better.

01:32:30.920 Right.

01:32:32.360 Maybe Hillary Clinton will have to make that nomination. 1.00

01:32:35.240 I mean, she did put too many conditions on it for it to ever be real.

01:32:38.840 But America should be delighted that this is the mood.

01:32:44.700 It doesn't look like a grim, let's go on with the war mood.

01:32:49.540 They look like they maybe have a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.

01:32:53.900 And I think we will all be relieved if that's true.

01:32:57.040 I think this has been a weight on us unconsciously and consciously and financially that we haven't properly reflected on.

01:33:05.400 Because it came right on the heels of COVID, this Ukraine war.

01:33:08.600 You know, I mean, in some ways it maybe replaced COVID.

01:33:13.060 And we were tossed into it.

01:33:15.780 And I want it off my shoulders as an American.

01:33:19.320 I want this fear for my children off my shoulders.

01:33:22.300 I want this financial weight.

01:33:24.360 I want to start thinking about the future again, not paying past due bills.

01:33:30.260 Yeah.

01:33:30.940 Amen.

01:33:32.020 OK, so this is the thing I teased before the break.

01:33:35.720 Speaking of the left and their wacky views on race, there's this show called Surrounded where you can go and you can choose the premise that you want to debate.

01:33:45.480 And they will surround you with critics who get to, like, sit in the chair and debate you on various points.

01:33:53.460 They asked me to go on there.

01:33:54.720 I said no, because to be honest, like, I'm just too open minded.

01:33:58.740 That's genuinely how I am.

01:34:00.100 If somebody gives me, like, a good idea that I think is it, I'll be like, that's a great point.

01:34:04.380 Yes, maybe I was wrong.

01:34:05.800 It's not my thing to just, like, hold on to my positions and fire blast anybody who feels differently.

01:34:11.620 In any event, they brought on this woman, Amanda Seals.

01:34:16.360 This is a woman who is extremely woke.

01:34:19.400 She's got her master's degree from Columbia.

01:34:21.680 She's an actress comedian. 0.97

01:34:23.100 She had shows on Nickelodeon, MTV2, HBO.

01:34:26.560 She had her own stand-up comedy special on HBO.

01:34:29.900 And she is very woke.

01:34:33.040 And all you need to do is take a listen to her to figure that out.

01:34:36.600 So the topic for the first part of the show was it is undeniable, this is her position, that reparations are just and necessary. 0.61

01:34:46.840 Did I mention she's a black woman? 1.00

01:34:48.180 She's a black woman. 1.00

01:34:48.880 And everyone in the audience, I believe, are black conservatives.

01:34:54.680 So it was a thing of beauty because woman after man after woman sat down across from this woman, Amanda Seals, and unleashed cans of reality on her.

01:35:08.440 And she did not know what hit her because liberals never debate outside of their circles.

01:35:14.800 Like, they just, they never have their ideas challenged, and yet this woman did, to her credit.

01:35:20.040 She went on the show, and here's a sampling of how that went.

01:35:22.840 It's out 34.

01:35:24.260 You can give everyone here like a $50,000, especially people that are in the streets who are committing violent crimes consistently, a $50,000 check.

01:35:31.600 It's not going to fix anything.

01:35:32.860 It's not going to increase the median household income in the next 10 years by 10% or 20%.

01:35:36.920 For example, we have the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

01:35:39.660 We prevented Chinese people from getting citizenship and even entering the country. 1.00

01:35:43.260 We discriminated against them and basically put them under apartheid, even here in the United States.

01:35:47.520 Yet they have the highest median household income.

01:35:49.420 How is that possible?

01:35:50.520 I think the only racism we've actually seen recently, systemic racism we've seen, is the application of systemic racism against white people.

01:35:56.280 The University of Western Washington, for example, has been trying to segregate dormitories, using black-only dormitories, because black people feel safer amongst each other. 0.87

01:36:04.220 But they're more likely to kill each other than white people are ever to kill them. 0.98

01:36:07.720 That's just the truth. 1.00

01:36:09.560 You have King Von rapping about killing other black men. 1.00

01:36:11.900 Why should I think that the white man is the oppressor, when black men are more likely to kill me? 1.00

01:36:16.060 Oh my god, this is scary. 1.00

01:36:18.360 You need to think about me as your mama.

01:36:20.000 Do not talk to me in that fashion.

01:36:21.800 So let's check that now.

01:36:22.880 Okay, so on a basic level, we have to understand that systemic racism is grounded in the realities that black people have not been considered an equal human being in this country since its onset.

01:36:33.760 So there's simply no way to make the argument that there isn't systemic racism.

01:36:38.260 And we have seen in very clear ways the system operate in an organically racist way.

01:36:44.040 Do not cut me off.

01:36:44.900 Okay, that she's just living up to so many tropes there, like laughing at him, like she's blowing him off, like he's a laughable character. 0.84

01:36:56.560 You're scary, like you're so misinformed.

01:36:59.720 Everything he said was right. 0.99

01:37:01.160 But in her, you're so misinformed, you're scary.

01:37:03.820 You need to think of me like your mama.

01:37:05.560 And like the respect I command is basically what she was saying.

01:37:10.460 And then we are a systemically racist country because we have been from the beginning.

01:37:17.020 We haven't been equals from the onset.

01:37:20.100 Okay, so we're not equals today.

01:37:21.900 And a lot of the black conservatives there were like, you know, we have a black president.

01:37:26.600 Another guy goes, we had a black vice president. 0.89

01:37:29.280 I think she was black. 1.00

01:37:30.200 Anyway, but these guys, these young people, guys and gals, Walter, were not having it.

01:37:38.440 Can you imagine if I said to someone who was arguing with me, you got to treat me like I'm your daddy?

01:37:45.840 What?

01:37:46.320 I mean, she lost it right there.

01:37:48.980 And also, it's not a debate if you hold that your side is self-evident, that it can't even be argued.

01:37:56.700 How dare you dispute me?

01:37:58.740 How, you know, how dare you, you know, have another point of view?

01:38:04.120 That kid was impressive.

01:38:06.980 I feel like every day of my life is surrounded, frankly.

01:38:10.900 You know, I don't go on shows like Surrounded because if I go on Bill Maher, it's like being on Surrounded.

01:38:16.640 It's true.

01:38:17.300 If I walk out to, you know, to the Starbucks, it's like being on Surrounded.

01:38:20.860 But it's guys like that who have thought through their positions, who are taking endless hell because they are black and a conservative, who have to work out their debating points to a level that almost no one else has to.

01:38:37.260 And my hat is off to him because even though he was in the more aggressive mode because of the layout of that show, he spends most of his day surrounded.

01:38:49.880 Yes.

01:38:51.560 All right.

01:38:51.860 Here's another one.

01:38:53.560 This is 37.

01:38:55.200 Watch this.

01:38:55.680 A different.

01:38:56.280 I think this is a different young man.

01:38:58.260 Can't remember.

01:38:59.040 Watch.

01:39:00.640 The black culture is. 1.00

01:39:02.360 We have produced a culture that is toxic. 0.99

01:39:05.480 And let's not let's get on the fact that there's no father. 0.65

01:39:07.500 So white culture.

01:39:08.520 Let's get.

01:39:09.100 Let's get.

01:39:09.440 Let's talk about that.

01:39:10.240 Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

01:39:10.740 Let's talk about that.

01:39:11.360 Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

01:39:11.980 Let's talk about that. 1.00

01:39:12.540 None of this is going to work if y'all are just going to sit here and make up shit. 0.99

01:39:15.940 We have a debate. 0.99

01:39:16.500 It's not going to work.

01:39:17.440 No, a debate has to be in fact.

01:39:19.320 You're putting off emotional liberalism right now.

01:39:21.880 I am not putting off emotional liberalism.

01:39:23.440 You're putting off unfounded lies based in conservatism.

01:39:27.180 That's what y'all do.

01:39:27.880 Y'all start saying misinformation.

01:39:28.420 Remember, they get the misinformation thing on, by the way.

01:39:30.620 I don't know if I'm going to last.

01:39:31.140 We're selling our own people today, too.

01:39:32.420 I don't know if I'm going to last.

01:39:33.340 You probably won't last with me. 0.99

01:39:34.540 I won't because your ignorance is so overwhelming. 0.99

01:39:36.880 See, y'all, that's liberal. 0.99

01:39:37.900 Y'all start name calling when y'all get defeated in an argument.

01:39:40.300 No, it's not name calling.

01:39:40.760 You won't have an argument because you keep cutting me off.

01:39:44.920 So interesting.

01:39:45.900 Now, he was going to the place you are not allowed to go, saying there's something in

01:39:50.460 black culture that's toxic that's leading to bad results, and we have to get honest 1.00

01:39:54.140 about it. 0.94

01:39:54.520 It has to do with fathers not being in the home.

01:39:56.780 And I can't remember if it was this gentleman, because I watched most of it, or another one who

01:40:00.940 was raising, like, what happened with Asians?

01:40:03.260 They were immigrants, too.

01:40:04.560 But they have a different approach toward education and work ethic, and they've done

01:40:10.960 very well in this country that they've adopted.

01:40:13.360 And she was like, you cannot compare the Asians to the blacks who were slaves, and basically

01:40:18.500 kind of acknowledging with a wink and a nod, somehow they're under some challenge that

01:40:26.540 nobody else is under, from which they cannot escape.

01:40:28.660 That's what she would argue, and those around her were saying, yes, we absolutely can. 0.99

01:40:32.360 But once again, you're making up shit, and he was ready for it, right, with you're basically 0.99

01:40:37.720 an emotional liberal, bringing up emotional liberalism as a defense, and all she could 1.00

01:40:42.840 do was just say, wrong, wrong, wrong, unfounded.

01:40:44.680 Yeah, whatever false sense of confidence caused her to go on surrounded was completely exposed

01:40:54.360 there.

01:40:54.940 I mean, she has nothing as a debater. 0.99

01:40:57.640 She has nothing as a proponent of her side.

01:41:01.440 And it's good to see the Maoism turned on its head, and the struggle sessions go the other

01:41:07.160 way every once in a while.

01:41:08.620 It was amazing.

01:41:09.800 These kids were citing Thomas Sowell, and so many others who, like, finally, their ideas

01:41:16.800 are getting heard, and that's all that's required.

01:41:20.280 You listen to Thomas Sowell, you believe in Thomas Sowell.

01:41:22.940 You listen to Shelby Steele, you believe in him.

01:41:25.720 And it's happening.

01:41:26.920 I was really encouraged, encouraged everybody to go and watch the whole thing.

01:41:29.860 Walter, thank you, my friend.

01:41:31.100 Great to see you.

01:41:31.820 Thank you.

01:41:32.500 Thank you.

01:41:33.060 We're back tomorrow for the first time ever with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:41:36.960 Looking forward to that.

01:41:40.260 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:41:42.120 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 18, 2025

Zelensky Comes to DC Again, Fake Media Narratives, and Comey's Weird Taylor Swift Video, with Walter Kirn

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