The Michael Knowles Show - 2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative： BAR FIGHT ｜ Michael Knowles, Adam Mockler, Loren Piretra

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00:00:33.060 all right welcome everybody to far fight i'm delighted to be joined by our two esteem guests

00:00:42.460 including our first ever returning fighter he's dusted himself off adam muckler you guys are quite

00:00:48.900 literally taking an 80 20 position on this because they've been lied to about what happened if you

00:00:52.680 want a job where you can go terrorize isis for you our second guest marketing an influencer sensation 1.00

00:00:59.080 least necessary she her pronouns in her bio it's lauren peretra

00:01:03.880 here's how it works we'll be debating two of the three most controversial topics of our day

00:01:14.020 the bell rings we duke it out for that round and then our friends in the crowd can come up to the

00:01:20.260 microphones and pick a fight with any of us but do not wait because there is a time limit for each round

00:01:25.080 and anyone who comes up to the mic can win special prizes and a seat at our vip table

00:01:30.540 sponsored by redneck riviera whiskey lady and gentlemen are you ready i'm ready it's time for

00:01:36.760 round one yeah okay now i have all the topics here that everyone picked and i'm gonna try to make it so

00:01:47.100 you don't know who picked what i might rephrase it a little bit first one the ice agent in minneapolis

00:01:52.340 did nothing wrong that one's gonna win i bet okay hold on we got some more you can pick from

00:01:58.920 trump is not corrupt at all sounds like the next the next one we have a major somali problem and

00:02:11.860 we need white men to save us whoa all right then we will pick that one pro-life politics is about 0.68

00:02:19.060 saving babies not controlling women's bodies whoa okay

00:02:24.720 trump is putting americans first okay they don't sound too sure about that one i don't know

00:02:34.860 the venezuela strike was as american as taco bell

00:02:39.120 all right so we got some close ones i think the the pro-life one

00:02:44.160 yeah okay all right now whose was that lauren it was mine okay how did you phrase it okay so

00:02:51.700 hear hear me out pro-life politics are really just pro controlling women's bodies let's be real 1.00

00:02:57.260 you guys don't really care about babies that much if you did

00:02:59.780 if you did we would want to fund child care we would want to give them food we took that away you 0.88

00:03:08.560 guys remember that we funded a lot of somali child care donald trump cut snap benefits medicaid he's

00:03:16.120 cut uh aca subsidies that just expired i don't know how that's helping children he's actually

00:03:20.940 taking food out of children's mouths i'm gonna ask the audience a question name one pro-life

00:03:25.100 politician that is riding for child care it is that is what for riding for child care oh i hear a lot

00:03:31.420 how about this one pro-life politician who fought against the uh cutting of snap benefits for not

00:03:36.840 only children but families across the country yeah i we definitely i think a lot of us uh oppose

00:03:41.640 snap benefits for well for the aforementioned somalis and people who are who are on fraud like for 1.00

00:03:45.960 instance one in one in one in ten people in the state of tennessee was apparently availing themselves

00:03:50.440 of snap we learned that during the shutdown we're talking about babies well we're just saying

00:03:54.300 how many babies were fraudulenting their snap benefits well the babies don't apply it's usually

00:04:00.860 their parents and some of them so then how do the babies eat if they can't apply how are they doing

00:04:04.420 their fraudulent thing one in ten babies i guess my point is that snap is not really primarily about

00:04:09.140 babies and i think we're getting off the topic that you chose which was pro-life doesn't really

00:04:14.460 care about babies they care about controlling women's bodies and you're telling me that babies 1.00

00:04:19.300 shouldn't get snap benefits because one in ten people have maybe fraudulented their things

00:04:23.920 yeah i mean just as a rule like babies cannot apply for snap benefits they are not eligible for

00:04:28.360 snap benefits we all agree with that we don't care about babies in here i mean i just want to

00:04:33.700 narrow in on your point because i want you to make the argument for it the the point as i see it here

00:04:37.960 is pro-life politics functions as control over women's bodies not about babies correct and i don't i

00:04:45.460 don't think i the first part i don't totally disagree with in the sense that so i went in the

00:04:51.020 well i mean you make something of a point in the sense that a vaccine policy or seat belt laws

00:04:56.700 also function as control over people's bodies i disagree i think vaccine laws function as a

00:05:01.440 public safety requirement yeah public health for the great this is my point for the greater good of

00:05:05.700 public health but i think when it comes to abortion it is just restricting women and who's

00:05:10.060 making the laws it's disproportionately going to be men making the laws that women can't get 0.87

00:05:13.900 all right i'll tell you what let me just make my analogy and you tell me why i'm wrong yeah yeah

00:05:17.040 uh that the vaccine policy certainly functions to control people's policies bodies especially if

00:05:22.160 there's a primary function wait wait for it we'll get to it i'm gonna give you a couple minutes

00:05:26.540 seat belt laws function to control people's bodies no they do you have to lock it in or you could get

00:05:32.600 a ticket okay i agree with you adam yeah that's not what they're for that's not their chief objective

00:05:39.640 and it is the case that abortion laws like not letting people have abortions does control women's 1.00

00:05:45.020 bodies to some degree i want but it's what it's for is saving babies it's not about the control okay

00:05:49.720 but what's the difference between a baby and a fetus have you ever spit in your hand that's what

00:05:52.880 a fetus looks like at like six weeks old yeah that's not that's not what a fetus looks like

00:05:57.820 okay you guys need to go back to science class okay maybe we should fund that in tennessee i have

00:06:03.940 three kids i've gotten ultrasounds at eight weeks old you don't do them so much at six they don't

00:06:08.300 look like you spit in the hand you can you can make out all their little parts you can you can

00:06:11.760 even figure out if they're boys or girls at eight weeks no you can't and you can't do that

00:06:14.700 with your spit can i ask you when do you think life begins uh well by definition at conception

00:06:19.440 you think so so how do you define life a human a human life or just life general life from human

00:06:25.400 what quality so life is described by various attributes so uh growth metabolism uh organic

00:06:34.460 matter uh movement and so we we see these qualities and the potential for these qualities at the

00:06:41.140 beginning so for instance when they're a fetus they can yeah so okay i'm gonna cut this just means

00:06:46.600 why are we riding so hard for like a fictional fetus versus i don't i don't care about i let

00:06:53.320 you finish i'm gonna finish now a fictional fetus versus real life human babies and snap benefits and

00:06:59.000 child care and health care and taking care of the babies we actually have yeah so i guess my my point

00:07:06.460 my very narrow point on abortion is i grant i think you're partially right abortion laws do involve

00:07:12.180 controlling women's bodies because we say you can't kill the kid uh yes well what does fetus 0.99

00:07:17.140 mean it's a fetus it means a baby once it's alive it's a lot well by science which you love it's a

00:07:24.640 so the the word fetus just means offspring continue there's no distinction right there's no distinction

00:07:28.960 between that and a baby and as much as there it's a human uh you had a point a second ago yes so

00:07:33.840 the uh the very narrow point on abortion that i'm making and i'm open to all sorts of talk on

00:07:38.720 welfare programs and all that's fine i'm not some like libertarian extremist however uh my only point

00:07:44.740 is it would seem to me that we should not kill innocent babies in the womb or out of the womb

00:07:50.160 that's my whole point okay yes yes i'm not for killing babies outside of the womb i'm for feeding

00:07:56.300 them and providing the kids with access so then you agree we shouldn't kill them we should not have

00:08:02.060 abortion and we should have welfare later on here's what i'll agree okay okay that's fine here's here's

00:08:06.980 what i'll agree on you don't want an abortion which you don't seem to be able to have the ability to 0.99

00:08:11.300 have a baby yourself you don't have to get one your partner your wife doesn't want an abortion 1.00

00:08:15.180 she doesn't have to get one so therefore choice can we agree on that okay so i think for instance

00:08:20.420 no look i'm not i'm not going to engage in an honor killing of my wife if she apostatizes from 0.91

00:08:25.400 islam for instance now i'm not going to do that and look if a muslim immigrant to america as many 0.98

00:08:30.820 have done actually wants to kill his wife in an honor killing because she has apostatized from islam 0.99

00:08:36.080 that's his business right and it's not your business and stop sticking your nose in it 0.99

00:08:39.980 right or no okay i think that a lot of liberals

00:08:43.300 here i don't know how he got from abortion care to because you're you're saying that

00:08:50.000 your fixation with muslims but we got there pretty quickly no you're saying to bring it back to

00:08:53.560 children and babies and what i'm saying i can explain to you the analogy if you like

00:08:56.820 it's not relevant to this conversation and i don't even i think it is i think it is no it's not

00:09:01.560 because you guys are like yeehaw for like not feeding babies but you want to control women's

00:09:06.800 bodies why is that why is that anyone want to come to the little i have personally fed three

00:09:10.820 babies in my life all right that's pretty that's not bad yeah and i only have five kids so that's

00:09:15.520 no i'm kidding i only have so listen you don't want an abortion don't get one but okay you don't

00:09:21.080 you don't want to uh murder your wife don't murder your wife but surely you would outlaw 0.97

00:09:25.760 murder is a matter of which i don't have in my fetus your wife i don't think is in your fetus 0.99

00:09:31.940 correct so therefore i'm right again no i think the argument a lot of liberals would make is that

00:09:36.300 killing uh a person is not the same as aborting a baby because the baby is not conscious life yet

00:09:42.200 so the okay well that's a good point the main argument that usually happens here is trying to

00:09:47.140 define when life begins and a lot of conservatives say at conception but there are studies showing

00:09:51.560 that consciousness starts at about 20 to 24 weeks so hold on adam makes a great point i just want to

00:09:56.500 push it one more so you can finish your argument if your your argument then would seem to be that

00:10:00.900 being killed or not being killed having those legal protections is predicated on consciousness so my

00:10:06.080 question is do you have the right to go into a hospital ward and kill somebody who's in a coma

00:10:09.860 it's based on no i don't think so there you go all right we agree now we have questions from the

00:10:15.360 audience i was going michael uh big fan um i've seen that guy before yeah big fan big fan michael

00:10:20.640 don't be he looks like a republican but don't be fooled i'm just code switching if you want to

00:10:25.240 donate me money i promise i'll put it towards all your terrible policies anyway i have a question for

00:10:29.780 you michael and it's specifically regarding the topic of abortion um and if you have a lot if you

00:10:33.920 let me uh expand upon this line of questioning couple questions first one do you think that abortion 0.57

00:10:38.600 is morally comparable to something like the holocaust something that uh you know conservatives talk about a lot

00:10:43.740 would you agree with that premise that abortion in the case of charlie kirk he said it was eight

00:10:47.380 times worse than the holocaust because of the death or the amount of abortion that have occurred since 0.78

00:10:51.580 roe was uh legalized yeah i would say you say so abortion is the killing of innocent human life

00:10:57.720 intentionally and uh the holocaust as all genocides entails the killing of innocent human life 0.91

00:11:03.920 and so in that way yes they're comparable so you think they're comparable so do you think that

00:11:07.540 for example political violence would be justified to stop the holocaust let me give you an example right 0.97

00:11:11.940 here let's say that i exist in nazi germany at the time and i see that a nazi is going to the

00:11:16.940 concentration camp but he is going to kill or put in the cyclone b to gas a group of jews i think 0.97

00:11:22.220 that he would be justified or i would be justified rather in killing that nazi officer on his way to 0.99

00:11:26.900 work so if you think that abortion is morally equivalent to the holocaust how do you feel about

00:11:30.520 violence against abortion doctors is there anything actually wrong with that because these people

00:11:33.980 are morally equivalent in your eyes to nazis so very it's a very good question i think that a

00:11:39.580 political revolution under certain circumstances could be justified saint thomas aquinas explains

00:11:44.640 this very well in the summa theologian de regno uh however i i don't think that vigilante violence

00:11:50.100 is justifiable in almost any case not because of uh the justification of the actions that are at

00:11:57.860 discussion be it the holocaust or mass abortion 60 million babies being killed but but because of the 0.55

00:12:03.420 downstream political effects that come from that and because there is such a thing as a civil authority

00:12:07.360 so in the extreme case where revolution would be justified there would there would still have to

00:12:10.940 be order to be undertaken so that greater evils would not abound from an act i understand that but

00:12:16.020 do you think that during when the holocaust happened do you think that it would have been wrong for 0.98

00:12:20.720 someone to kill a nazi officer on his way to the concentration camp to gas a bunch of jews would 0.61

00:12:25.580 it have been wrong or not well in the case of the holocaust we're speaking specifically of war 0.66

00:12:29.760 conditions so there that you're yeah you're there you're in you're in the midst of a massive war both

00:12:35.580 within germany and throughout all the world engage with the question if i am engaging with the

00:12:39.980 question so yes i think yes it would be justified my point here is rather that i don't really think

00:12:45.040 that you think abortion is morally equivalent to the holocaust or you're not believing that it would 0.91

00:12:48.680 be justified for people to kill abortion doctors i'm saying that different rules apply during times

00:12:52.760 of war than during times of peace so if you so if the president suddenly declared it was a time of

00:12:56.980 war against women who get abortions then suddenly it's justified well you know people to go out 0.64

00:13:00.460 war against women okay fine michael very good if against abortion however you want to call it

00:13:05.580 you could then it would be justified that would be a war though a war is when belligerent parties

00:13:09.520 fight each other for territory and for political control michael's evading the question because

00:13:13.800 i'm not i'm answering his line of reasoning leads to the conclusion that it is actually morally

00:13:18.720 permissible to commit political violence no i don't like he's against that i don't in even

00:13:23.080 circumstances i don't think most circumstances so this is not comparable to the holocaust it is 0.61

00:13:27.400 comparable to the holocaust it is comparable as i mentioned to you in the respect of both of

00:13:31.660 these things entailing the killing of innocent human life it is comparable in the in respect to

00:13:36.320 the fact that one is in a polity during a time of peace and one is during a time of war they're not

00:13:40.580 comparable it's just not very so they're not they're they're in different respects you would address

00:13:44.120 them differently okay all right great questions hey nice to be here good to see you i guess this

00:13:55.060 question is for uh loren is that um yeah so i just wanted to bring it back a little bit to the topic

00:13:59.760 which was that abortion is really just a way to control women's bodies not really a protection of 0.51

00:14:04.020 life um do you know of any other ways to bring life into this world besides using women's bodies 1.00

00:14:10.620 no okay well i mean it's not really about controlling women's bodies and it's about

00:14:17.380 you know providing a safe way for life to be brought into this world okay so how would you define

00:14:24.120 safety yeah how would you define safety for this fictional fetus tell me yeah i'm wait waiting

00:14:31.160 or even want a definition of safety i mean i think a fetus is pretty safe for a baby because

00:14:36.020 that's okay let's talk about what is safe for a baby what is safe for a baby what is safe for a baby

00:14:39.980 some wombs the actual place where it develops and grows and actually produces a baby what is safe 0.97

00:14:47.800 for a baby the place where it can actually grow into complete it's no babies are not growing

00:14:52.200 inside the body but baby's out now so you force the woman to give birth now now what's safety for 0.90

00:14:56.280 that baby okay this is a separate conversation because now we're no longer talking about bringing

00:15:00.160 life into the world we're talking about life after it exists in the world exactly that's the exact

00:15:03.920 topic that we're talking about and i'll wait what's your name gregory gregory gregory i'm going to ask

00:15:08.140 you again what is the what's safety for a baby it's just not that hard of a question do you need a

00:15:12.700 couple minutes i mean have you ever taken care of a baby have you ever babysat have you ever done

00:15:17.600 care of a baby gregory making sure it's fed yeah great okay fed what else does a baby need

00:15:22.180 shelter okay exactly right great great answers gregory and now how does a baby get shelter if

00:15:28.020 that mother is not in a position economically to provide that well that's a different conversation

00:15:33.060 we're talking about i'm not asking these deputies over there i'm asking gregory we're we're talking

00:15:37.000 about a different conversation which is after life has been brought into this world that's what i'm

00:15:41.380 saying versus the birth of the baby after it's been caught into this world or we only care about

00:15:44.920 absolutely absolutely that's a different conversation that we can have about support for single

00:15:50.340 mothers have a lot of opinions on uteruses okay i'll tell you what let's say we all guaranteed 1.00

00:15:54.560 that it's there's infinite taxpayer welfare dollars for any woman who wants it who has a baby 0.94

00:15:59.440 in that circumstance would you oppose would you support outlawing abortion no if we guarantee okay 0.99

00:16:05.140 then it's not really about what you're saying it's right exactly so you guys know um how often a

00:16:09.620 miscarriage happens you should know you have a bunch of kids yeah yeah that's not an abortion 0.71

00:16:13.220 that's not an abortion it actually is so the medical term for abortion yeah okay you guys

00:16:18.200 that's not an abortion you can live in your little delulu but abortion is an umbrella term for medical

00:16:23.480 care nope okay no i can't debate with people who are making up their little realities okay okay let's

00:16:31.160 say then one has human intervention when we talk about abortion we're talking when we let's agree on

00:16:35.780 our terms when we talk about abortion we're talking about the intentional ending of a pregnancy

00:16:39.620 but that's not the legal definition of abortion abortion is care for that's the issue we're talking

00:16:44.240 about an abortion requires human intervention a miscarriage does not when you have one in four

00:16:49.720 people experience a miscarriage when they have a baby to complete that miscarriage you need abortion 0.81

00:16:56.160 care so there are plenty of women dying in hospital waiting for us call a hospital call a hospital 1.00

00:17:01.400 Gregory tell me what happened my sister had a miscarriage she would not everyone needs one but a lot

00:17:06.400 women do it was not i think adam you have a point not an intervention that caused the baby to die

00:17:11.680 there's a lot of argumentation going on i think one of the most contradictory things that bothers me

00:17:15.780 with the conservative position on abortion is that everybody should be in favor of minimizing the

00:17:20.720 amount of abortions that happen was it clinton that said they should be safe legal but rare now

00:17:24.600 let's check in do you agree we should minimize the number of abortions safe legal i do not give a

00:17:28.780 single what other people do with their bodies it's not my she doesn't agree with that she doesn't

00:17:32.380 agree with no i don't well my position is among along with many democrats in the party that they

00:17:37.180 should be safe legal but rare that's what the former democratic president said but the but the

00:17:41.260 current democrats shout their abortion right they say they say there's no reason to minimize abortion

00:17:45.400 plant parent had posted in power say it again what democrats in power have said this democrats

00:17:50.300 in power bill clinton was president in the 90s man that was a long time ago

00:17:53.220 i agree really quickly but the problem is in order to minimize the amount of abortions that happen you

00:18:00.320 should have proper sex education at young ages now in the state that i grew up in indiana there was 0.91

00:18:04.720 actually a slashing of sex education at really normal ages like when you're in seventh grade or

00:18:09.120 eighth grade you can be learning about this stuff and when there's a lack of sex education you have

00:18:12.740 more teen pregnancies you have more women that get uh that get pregnant so i think these are kind of

00:18:17.360 contradictory positions beyond like when life starts okay so we have the moderate democrat position

00:18:21.840 we want fewer abortions and we want all this other stuff and we have the women's perspective on the 0.69

00:18:25.620 women's bodies what a concept one last point before we move on just this question lauren you 0.95

00:18:30.100 say that the people who want to end abortion they only want to control women's bodies they don't care

00:18:35.100 about babies at all or if i look you in the face right now i tell you i'm someone who wants to end

00:18:39.600 abortion and i'm telling you i promise you my hand to god i care about abortion because i don't want 0.98

00:18:45.320 babies to be killed and i don't really care about controlling women's bodies that is not in any way 0.98

00:18:49.480 the primary objective i just want fewer babies to be killed do you believe me no you don't okay all 0.98

00:18:54.980 right she rejects the framing that it's killing babies because if you don't if you don't want an

00:18:58.860 abortion don't get one i'm not in your bathroom following around i don't want a baby don't have 0.99

00:19:03.720 sex don't think about any of you guys having sex look i tried i tried okay so who won that round 1.00

00:19:08.500 was it team libs whether moderate lib adam or less moderate lib lauren was it the libs 0.99

00:19:13.240 no was it the me look at gregory's all right there we go okay all right i don't see it i don't see

00:19:20.520 it it's ambiguous i can't tell okay more important question who won the round of questions we say

00:19:28.020 are we hearing gregory who was it oliver gregory's going home alone with his lotion in his bottle

00:19:33.460 what who won all right was it the guy dressed like a republican or was it gregory gregory you're

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00:21:46.840 one again trump is not at all corrupt the ice agent in minneapolis did nothing wrong

00:21:52.700 it's gonna be that one okay that's my topic i say the ice agent in minneapolis did nothing wrong

00:22:01.780 and here's thank you here's my argument for this it's a pretty simple argument uh the ice agent was

00:22:09.200 there to carry out federal law in total accord with uh with the law uh and he was uh following all of his

00:22:17.740 instructions and all of his training and he saw that there was an suv parked in the middle of the

00:22:22.120 street obstructing law enforcement at that time he might not have known but he was being driven by

00:22:26.100 someone who trained to obstruct law enforcement in this operation and so they went up there to try

00:22:30.220 to get her to move and she didn't want to move she was there for quite a while and uh then uh the lady 1.00

00:22:35.280 hit him with her car and so when you and she literally did that so she was dead we we now know

00:22:43.040 though there was a lot of confusion at the time that the agent uh was in front of the car we can slow

00:22:48.400 down the footage and look at the tires we can see that the woman accelerated while her tires were

00:22:52.920 were aimed at the agent we know that when the agent fired his weapon he fired it through the

00:22:57.460 front windshield which means he couldn't have been on the side and we know that she hit him with the

00:23:01.880 car because of footage from him body cams best thing for law enforcement ever uh and and we also know

00:23:08.100 that he suffered internal bleeding as a result of that so in that case when adam might not believe it

00:23:13.520 but it had you at least believe you at least believe that she had a portion or something no

00:23:18.020 i don't think it's on video what are you talking about you want to know what i saw in this video

00:23:21.440 yes my which video i mean there's multiple angles but very quickly you realize internal bleeding could

00:23:26.520 just be bruising but if we're going to follow this administration what they're saying it can be if

00:23:30.920 we're going to follow this administration's like what they're saying do you agree when donald trump

00:23:34.840 said that he was viciously hit and he's surprised that the guy's alive did you see that on the video

00:23:38.900 surprised he's alive i i'm yeah i'm surprised that wait wait do you agree with trump do you agree

00:23:43.840 with trump when he says this guy was viciously hit and he was he said basically like i'm surprised

00:23:47.540 this guy's alive in the hospital you're surprised he's alive yeah yeah because had the had the tires

00:23:51.700 not spun out because of the icy roads in minneapolis she would hit him are you guys surprised you would

00:23:55.960 hit him are you guys surprised he's alive come on you guys are all coping yeah okay thank you

00:24:00.900 you're not surprised he's alive what ai slop are you watching here's my problem you guys are quite literally 1.00

00:24:05.060 taking an 80 20 position on this and you guys are the 20 americans were polled on the

00:24:08.820 justification of this killing and 28 of americans only 28 percent percent thought it was justified

00:24:14.140 almost 60 percent thought it was unjustified because they've been lied to about what happened

00:24:17.540 do you agree that she hit him yes they've seen videos including by you no do you agree that she

00:24:21.420 hit him i mean she touched did she hit him with her car and the same way that i know people driving

00:24:26.640 out of the walmart parking lot he's standing right there you hit pedestrians with your car you should

00:24:30.720 go to jail he walked off he walked off we're not talking about going to jail we're talking about 1.00

00:24:34.640 shooting her in the head four times and then calling her a bitch there's a difference 1.00

00:24:37.700 he got her the first time she had a honda she had a honda two shots don't matter let me back up 0.99

00:24:42.580 the general population does not agree with you and let me finish here because they've been lied to

00:24:46.340 no the general population does not agree with you because they saw the videos that happened this

00:24:50.000 administration before the investigation started said that she was a domestic terrorist and said

00:24:54.380 that the guy was lucky to be alive she was a domestic terrorist okay we'll talk about that one

00:24:57.620 second do you think it's responsible for them to say that before the investigation started trump said

00:25:01.360 it i think like 90 minutes after christy noem 45 minutes after said she was a domestic terrorist do you

00:25:05.980 disagree with christy noem i think that when you hit law enforcement with your car disagree with

00:25:09.880 christy noem is she a domestic terrorist i agree that she was uh aiding and abetting domestic

00:25:13.900 terrorism so she's not a domestic terrorist i wouldn't i wouldn't use that okay so thank you you

00:25:17.680 just said that i'm lying to the american people but you seem to be conceding that christy noem and

00:25:21.040 donald trump both lied to the american people no i i say i don't agree with their wording of that

00:25:25.340 and and yet what i'm saying is the facts as they describe them happened you're denying the facts that

00:25:29.740 are on video can i tell you what i saw i saw a woman in a car who was waving people past

00:25:33.660 and listen i'm a i'm a moderate democrat she was waving him past no no not him but cars she was 0.71

00:25:38.940 waving multiple cars past if you guys haven't seen the videos that's your fault did you not see her

00:25:42.240 waving you're you're not allowed to block traffic did you not see her waving wait is that a death

00:25:46.320 sentence if you hit a cop with a car yes that's a death sentence okay i have a question you're gonna

00:25:51.020 deserve it if you if she was gonna hit someone with her car why did she first reverse then stop 0.99

00:25:56.640 then spin her wheel every time she didn't spin the wheel first she did she accelerated before she spun the 1.00

00:26:00.700 wheel if you want to hit someone with your car why would you reverse why would you reverse she

00:26:04.240 clearly was a very confused woman i don't know why did she hit him so i want to ask no no you don't

00:26:09.280 we don't know why she reversed because she spun the wheel she didn't and then tried to drive off 1.00

00:26:13.380 she accelerated before she turned the wheel here's what's on video here's what self-defense counts

00:26:16.880 that's that's why he shot through the windshield because he was obviously in front of the car

00:26:20.580 you can reach over the windshield what about the second he reached over the windshield he

00:26:23.140 had spaghetti arms that reached over in the moment to frame this innocent woman 0.82

00:26:27.160 did he even get knocked over did he even get knocked over yes he did that's on video too

00:26:30.360 was he on the ground after yes no he was standing the up he was standing there was literally video

00:26:35.620 dude he was walking down okay i'm gonna debunk this after yes so you're saying when renee nicole good 0.76

00:26:40.220 hit him he got knocked on the ground yes so you haven't seen the video so why isn't there any video

00:26:43.900 wait wait did he get knocked on the ground no no he did not thank you guys he's still standing you guys

00:26:51.380 are all lying because you've been gaslit by this administration to think that ice can do

00:26:54.620 nothing wrong over the past year listen over the past year let me over the past year we have seen

00:27:00.060 clips of ice cracking the ribs of 79 year olds grabbing u.s citizens and bringing them to the

00:27:05.060 ground deporting people with no due process and having to bring them back because they admitted

00:27:09.240 there was no due process that happened right they had to bring are we talking about we're talking

00:27:12.280 about the january 6th or are we talking about we're talking about those midwestern

00:27:14.660 they're using political force to stop the certification of election they're actual domestic

00:27:22.580 terrorist you want to call a 37 year old mother who was shot in the side window a domestic

00:27:26.560 terrorist she wasn't shot in the side window adam the bullet is through the windshield you're just

00:27:30.500 making that up you were making up that he was knocked over and you can't respond to why she

00:27:34.980 reversed why did she reverse adam it's a simple question did she hit him with her car or not

00:27:39.160 she didn't his did she hit him with her car or no yes or no listen you're wrong you're you answer

00:27:44.440 yes or no okay adam yes or no it's a simple question i give a legit answer you can give me one

00:27:48.600 word answer oh yes yes there you go can i answer the entire conversation can i answer though i want

00:27:54.700 to bring it back please go on tell me why he should not have defended himself when she hit him with her

00:28:00.320 car as you admit self-defense means there need to be two requirements by the law you need to be able

00:28:04.720 to reasonably perceive yourself as an imminent risk danger and then you need to be able to use a

00:28:09.940 disproportionate amount of force to take care of that danger it's the continuum use of force use of

00:28:13.820 force continuum okay okay i want to bring it back you have to use a proportionate amount of force

00:28:17.540 right you have to use a purport it was not proportionate a 3 000 pound suv is a deadly

00:28:22.140 i want to bring it back to you he was standing up you guys are lying you said in your original opening

00:28:26.780 you said that he was doing his job as instructed okay right okay so with his instructions surely

00:28:34.180 there's some other type of escalation steps in that process before shooting her in the face four 1.00

00:28:39.880 times and calling her a bitch no no lauren it it's a split second before she's running him over 0.99

00:28:44.920 it's not like she didn't run him as a mile down the road so she had a honda no no she didn't because 0.99

00:28:49.840 he shot her in the face she didn't because she turned her wheel and revert why would she okay i

00:28:53.920 have one final question yes i really want you to answer this that you you continue to kind of weave

00:28:58.180 around it why did she reverse her car before driving straight into him she didn't drive i don't know

00:29:03.300 she was a real confused lady and i'm really sorry she got killed and she shouldn't have done it 0.99

00:29:07.460 how did it work out at nuremberg how did it work out in nuremberg when they were following instructions

00:29:10.720 nuremberg yes you can't just execute moms you guys are a little weird if you think you can just

00:29:16.780 execute people huh okay okay uh we have questions we have questions yeah michael michael i i consider

00:29:23.700 myself a conservative i'm in favor of rigorous enforcement of our immigration laws um but i want

00:29:28.600 to ask you a question about tactics okay so even setting aside i think there are legitimate legal issues

00:29:32.820 here that we could ask about fourth amendment issues etc but i just want to ask you let's assume

00:29:37.480 that sort of the public backlash to what's going on right now with ice you know stopping people in

00:29:41.880 the street pulling them out of the cars going to door to door is sufficient to cause some sort of

00:29:46.180 landslide in the midterms against the republicans let's assume that that leads to donald trump getting

00:29:50.640 impeached let's assume that leads to maybe by the end of the trump term uh deporting fewer people than

00:29:55.640 we saw under obama would you not admit that maybe tactically mistakes have been made that this is bad

00:30:01.340 optically at the very least even if you dismiss the legal issues yeah i don't i don't think so

00:30:05.820 because i don't know what the alternative is well you know what the people voted for is mass

00:30:09.580 deportations what we've gotten so far the obama numbers are they vote for that the obama well when

00:30:14.660 people are trying to run over cops i voted for that okay so i thought you left due process no but

00:30:18.500 so was she guilty of you don't get due process when you're running someone over you just get to

00:30:22.620 there's there's no there's no trial they let the doj do an investigation then if they're so right and

00:30:27.240 correct there will be an investigation no they're not they shut it down there will be an

00:30:30.120 investigation no there's not so answer the question why won't they hold on i'm answering

00:30:32.940 his question okay so that's a deflection let's go back to it no it's not your turn to speak it's

00:30:36.620 my turn to speak because we're not really following those rules so what is that i'm following those

00:30:40.580 rules okay because that's because you don't want to answer the question okay go ahead we'll get to

00:30:44.600 whatever you want to talk about later but first it's his turn it's my what it's your topic but it's

00:30:50.560 his question this is this is why she doesn't okay it's like the order of events that's why we don't

00:30:54.960 understand what happened with the lady running him over so the so to your question tactically is this a bad

00:31:00.060 idea i don't think so some people say that barack obama deported three or four hundred thousand

00:31:04.160 people it's kind of fake because they're counting turnbacks among that he did deport some people but

00:31:08.200 it's kind of fake as they're counting turnbacks right now the border is totally shut down uh president

00:31:11.880 trump i think probably is deported in his first year a little over 500 000 people like 525 or 530

00:31:17.600 000 people i do believe and i buy the labor studies that have come out that there have been a lot of

00:31:22.620 self-deportations because of the uh optically brutal ice raids i think that's part of it too

00:31:28.200 so president trump says he's deported over two million people it's possible it's somewhere between

00:31:32.480 half a million and two million uh compared to the to the biden administration where they were letting

00:31:36.100 in three million people a year obviously that's a huge turn in direction my question is how are you

00:31:40.600 going to get mass deportations which most of the conservatives i think would agree we're not even

00:31:45.160 getting enough mass deportations how are you going to get that if you don't go from job site to job

00:31:50.140 site from town to town and try to round people up is that going to involve bad optics for the leftists

00:31:54.480 it is i just don't know what the alternative is well i think first it might require more funding

00:31:58.360 for things like immigration judges who could process yes asylum but if you think also we're

00:32:03.120 talking about like the fundamental question is basically if it turns out let's just assume a

00:32:07.320 hypothetical world where there is a democratic landslide and trump gets impeached over this and

00:32:11.100 we find as a result of surveying people who voted against republicans in that election that a big part

00:32:16.600 of this backlash was due to this type of ice enforcement are you not going to think that oh maybe we could

00:32:22.120 have done this a little bit differently what's the ultra so you mentioned we need yeah sure adam

00:32:25.300 can answer the alternative is a moderate immigration policy like we saw under obama do you know what

00:32:30.280 they called him the deporter-in-chief yeah but listen they were wrong okay they called obama the

00:32:35.240 deporter-in-chief the problem here isn't the mass deportations the problem as he points out are the

00:32:39.100 brutal videos coming out of those that ice is losing popularity with the public population

00:32:43.000 obama deported a massive massive amount of people but we didn't see the same do you dispute the

00:32:47.780 turnbacks but let me see okay the most of them were turnbacks they call ways there were turnbacks

00:32:52.320 but not most of them they called him the deporter-in-chief and he did that without cracking

00:32:55.880 the ribs of 79 year olds without shooting u.s citizens without deporting people with zero due

00:32:59.540 process and then bringing them back to the effing country do you agree that trump has deported more

00:33:03.320 people than obama yes but in a he's deporting people that he shouldn't be deporting 75 of them

00:33:07.820 have no criminal background no violent criminal record but they are they illegal aliens um they 0.72

00:33:12.000 should he's deporting people with no due process are they illegal aliens kilmar armando yes but

00:33:16.400 kilmar but then they should be deported do you think people should do you think illegal aliens 1.00

00:33:19.480 deserve due process illegal are we joking wait do you guys think that do you guys think that illegal

00:33:26.040 aliens then you're wrong the constitution specifically says in the fifth amendment that

00:33:29.580 person we can we can expedite their due process can you just say if i'm right or wrong does the fifth

00:33:35.160 amendment specifically say persons and that was upheld in a supreme court case that it's persons not

00:33:40.080 citizens in the enforcement of american immigration law we sometimes do things a little more

00:33:45.380 efficiently we in for instance deported a million people in the 1950s under president eisenhower

00:33:49.500 if we were to give a lengthy uh trial to the 16 to 30 million illegal aliens who are in the country 0.95

00:33:55.640 we would never deport virtually any of them i'm not asking for a lengthy trial for someone like

00:33:59.760 kilmar armando obrego russia right the thing is when he got deported over to el salvador

00:34:03.800 no i'm not i have a pretty moderate immigration policy i think people should be here legally illegal 1.00

00:34:10.000 immigration should be minimized we should know everybody that's here but like most americans guys this 1.00

00:34:14.260 isn't even me living out most americans do not like to see these videos that are going everywhere

00:34:18.240 most americans don't like to see grandmas and abuelas being pulled off the street and i keep

00:34:22.500 going back there aren't that many abuelas come on there are there aren't that wait wait are you okay

00:34:27.080 with the u.s citizens that have gotten caught up so i keep going back to this case but a 79 year old

00:34:30.700 u.s citizen got his rib cracked by an ice agent and is now suing the dhs so i think it's very

00:34:35.880 unfortunate when innocent it's a very small number but when innocent people or american citizens or legal

00:34:40.480 residents are caught up in these raids the problem is illegal aliens don't walk around the country 0.97

00:34:44.760 with a big sign saying i'm an illegal alien the problem so the problem was created by those who 0.72

00:34:48.760 allowed the millions of illegals to come in and now trump's cleaning up the problem is you guys can

00:34:52.160 never admit when ice does anything wrong whatsoever so there was an article from slate that came out

00:34:56.720 just two days ago where i'll never admit anything in slate no no this woman provided all the receipts 0.93

00:35:01.040 this liberal woman applied for ice in her whole internet history she was shitting on ice she smokes a bunch of 1.00

00:35:06.320 weed and posts about it and she wasn't me she didn't she didn't even submit the domestic battery 0.99

00:35:12.040 uh her history on it like she didn't submit anything and ice still let her in so the problem is

00:35:16.460 undertrained ice agents are giving or being in the funding of national militaries like they're funded

00:35:21.140 more than national militaries they're masking up in such a way that emboldens them and then they're 0.99

00:35:25.660 going around and why are they mass communities because they're a bunch of pussies and the administration 0.99

00:35:29.820 they take every they take every incel loser because they're being down high school and 1.00

00:35:34.520 they're being threatened as they should because they're a bunch of pussy losers and like okay 1.00

00:35:38.280 listen if you want a job okay if you want a job where you can go terrorize elementary school 1.00

00:35:45.100 students and pepper spray them element what what did they do roosevelt high school what did they do

00:35:50.060 after roosevelt yeah they went to roosevelt high school it was first they went to an elementary

00:35:53.500 students teddy or franklin was it teddy or franklin can you can you admit that ice does anything wrong

00:35:59.080 can you ever admit that ice does anything wrong or do you think they should have absolute yeah i

00:36:01.640 think i have admitted that they like they hired that i think that was wrong okay but do you think

00:36:06.440 they have absolute immunity like jd vance does i i think they should be given extraordinarily broad

00:36:10.560 immunity yes extraordinarily broad immunity for things they do on the job yeah for official

00:36:15.080 acts so they can just go shoot people yeah i think vance is totally right about this but how did

00:36:19.280 you think he's right since the inception of ice is not an excuse for morality like

00:36:23.100 again i want to bring it back to nuremberg like what happened to the people like carrying out these

00:36:28.200 atrocities in 1930s germany i don't think removing trendy ragway is akin to a nazi

00:36:33.120 what can you admit that ice has done wrong thus far because most americans just gave you an example

00:36:38.320 no obviously like a real example of ice doing something wrong you mean not vetting people i can't

00:36:43.480 think of a particular example so are you serious about the pot smoker do you think i should be vetting

00:36:47.040 people more for ideological reasons they can the problem is the the problem is so massive because

00:36:52.320 there are 16 to 30 million people and and ice was so understaffed that's a massive range bro 16

00:36:56.700 i know they're illegal we don't know where they are you call them undocumented that's the problem 0.67

00:36:59.880 we don't have any doctor what you call them dude i think that the administration that's why we have

00:37:03.240 a broad range we don't know how many of them there are hey adam i got a question for you sorry sorry

00:37:07.800 that was a little aggressive no you're good oh sorry what's up hey i just had a question um about

00:37:12.300 the due process for illegal immigrants versus like an american citizen um does an illegal immigrant 0.78

00:37:18.720 have an entitlement to uh legal representation an entitlement are they entitled to legal

00:37:25.120 representation they have all of the they have all the rights defined under the fifth amendment of

00:37:29.780 the constitution they're not guaranteed legal representation in their immigration case

00:37:33.540 well are u.s citizens so we can agree that no they're not u.s citizens immigrants are not 0.99

00:37:38.260 u.s citizens they do not you're illegal aliens they're they're not guaranteed can i ask you they're

00:37:42.280 not guaranteed legal representation wait can i ask you do you think only citizens or persons any

00:37:47.060 person in the united states deserves due process that's not the question that's no no i'm asking

00:37:50.760 an illegal immigrant in an immigration case in an immigration case someone is being deported for

00:37:55.580 being here illegally but are they are they guaranteed legal representation no but that 0.98

00:37:59.860 is not all that there is to do process do process looks different for immigrants versus american

00:38:05.680 citizens right wait wait but they're saying that immigrants versus american citizens they're saying

00:38:10.940 that immigrants get no due process wait do you guys think immigrants should get any due process 1.00

00:38:14.440 he's just arguing he's just arguing that due process for the illegal alien deportation cases

00:38:18.720 is markedly different from an ordinary a lot of different ways that's totally fine but what i'm

00:38:22.760 arguing that's a good point that's totally fine what you're saying is true but what i'm saying is

00:38:26.860 there was no due process for the cases like kilmar amando abrigo garcia there was no yeah but then

00:38:31.540 chris van holland went right out of romantic questions do we have a question over here

00:38:35.160 i've got a question you can make jokes i will make jokes about kilmar abrigo garcia yes what's your

00:38:41.040 he's back in the u.s buddy yeah what the this guy on the right you're a big boomer guy

00:38:47.180 he's a boomer a boomer he's a trans boomer

00:38:49.860 don't talk to adam like that what's your name again with that blonde girl what's your name 1.00

00:38:53.620 my name yeah lauren yours all right michael my name's whitfield uh michael my question is for you

00:38:59.460 do you think that lauren prefers anthropomorphic minotaur smut novels 0.76

00:39:03.720 or ai generated ice romance novels thank you for the question good um i don't know what the

00:39:13.320 first one was well okay then it's the second i say it's the second then is that fair ice porn

00:39:18.580 there was a lady there was a millennial lady who went on tv or she wanted tiktok or whatever and 1.00

00:39:22.680 maybe i'm the boomer i say she went on tv and she goes there she says you know hating men for so many

00:39:27.300 years has trained me to stop ice and she was admitting it was this amazing psychological

00:39:32.420 admission that a lot of these protests are about like women who hate their dads basically and it's 0.97

00:39:38.060 unfortunate it's it's like that's what all of liberalism comes down to is three words screw you

00:39:41.840 dad but i don't even think it's primarily about the cops can i bring it back around to one final 0.98

00:39:45.220 thing screw you minotaur can you say michael michael you asked me a yes or no question can i ask you 0.99

00:39:51.340 one did the ice agent who shot renee good Nicole good get knocked on the ground on his ass oh my god he got 0.99

00:39:56.260 he got knocked over minute is your question was he flat on the ground everybody said he was not 1.00

00:40:03.020 wait was he flat are you saying guys head and toes flat on the ground guys was he knocked on his ass 0.98

00:40:08.780 okay he was he was knocked over he was not he was not flat he was not flat i please have that 0.97

00:40:15.000 i'm granting your point i'm granting your point he was i'm granting your point that he was not flat on

00:40:22.020 the ground he was okay but that's a free you guys are being really dishonest about that 0.99

00:40:25.720 He knocks the ice agent flat on his sultry ass. 0.99

00:40:33.380 Wait, do you actually think that? 1.00

00:40:35.000 Wait, do you actually think that?

00:40:36.980 No, I think you want to read AI-generated ice.

00:40:39.880 Wait, wait, no, do you actually think what you just said? 1.00

00:40:41.660 Do you think he got knocked on his ass? 1.00

00:40:43.060 All right. 1.00

00:40:43.420 Say what?

00:40:43.740 No, no, stop. 1.00

00:40:44.400 Do you think he got knocked on his ass? 1.00

00:40:46.040 I'm so sorry. 1.00

00:40:46.820 Do I think he got knocked on his ass? 1.00

00:40:48.260 No, I don't think he got knocked on his ass. 1.00

00:40:49.960 Okay, then why were you guys... 0.99

00:40:50.800 Dude, hey, hey, hey.

00:40:51.600 What's your name again?

00:40:52.480 What's your name?

00:40:53.320 What's your name?

00:40:53.780 Adam.

00:40:54.360 Adam, listen. 0.99

00:40:55.040 Listen, I've almost gotten hit by a deranged retard in her car, okay? 1.00

00:41:00.180 I had a gun in my pocket, which I was not able to bring up here because of safety and 0.94

00:41:04.580 everything, but... 0.99

00:41:05.180 And I had to contemplate, am I going to shoot this black chick or not? 1.00

00:41:09.300 As a six-foot-four white guy, when a woman who was let out on the street by Gerald Ford 0.99

00:41:16.340 and Ronald Reagan to take some lithium instead of going to a state-run mental institution,

00:41:21.100 decided to drive up to Nashville at 8 a.m. in the morning and try to run me over.

00:41:27.640 So I know about cars menacing me. 0.99

00:41:30.640 And I'm not a fucking federal agent. 0.98

00:41:31.640 I don't care about your personal experience. 0.99

00:41:33.280 I know.

00:41:33.580 You guys all lie.

00:41:33.860 No, but he has injuries.

00:41:35.000 He's explaining...

00:41:35.040 Is this a therapy session?

00:41:36.320 Did I just crash a therapy session?

00:41:37.560 He's explaining what it's like.

00:41:38.960 He has first-hand experience.

00:41:40.020 Dude, dude.

00:41:40.660 Have you ever driven in LA?

00:41:41.780 I know you have to be Michael's foil, but I know y'all have to be Michael's foil here.

00:41:47.760 It's like bar fight or whatever.

00:41:49.140 But dude, if a federal agent is having a car coming towards them, you're going to get smoked.

00:41:53.480 He was standing on his feet and the car missed him.

00:41:56.080 The car was...

00:41:56.640 If a car hits a federal agent, they're going to smoke you.

00:41:59.740 And I will say this.

00:42:01.460 In no other country in the world will they have as much pause and discretion.

00:42:06.060 No other country in the world is as good as...

00:42:08.840 No other country in the world is as good as America.

00:42:16.200 And in America, we have human dignity for our citizens.

00:42:18.460 I agree.

00:42:19.660 That's my whole point.

00:42:20.700 Why would René Nicole good back up in her car? 1.00

00:42:22.580 And why would she wait for people's ass? 1.00

00:42:23.780 It's called potential energy. 0.98

00:42:25.180 All I'm saying is some of you guys, and I don't support violence, but some of you guys 0.99

00:42:30.620 have never had your ass kicked and it really shows. 0.99

00:42:33.040 He had a lady almost broke into it. 1.00

00:42:35.080 I've had my ass kicked. 1.00

00:42:36.720 What? 1.00

00:42:36.960 What are you f***ing talking? 0.99

00:42:37.680 You don't know. 1.00

00:42:38.100 I've had my ass kicked. 1.00

00:42:39.080 Okay. 0.99

00:42:39.340 It doesn't act...

00:42:39.920 You're not acting like it.

00:42:41.780 Oh, okay.

00:42:42.520 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:42.840 Have you gotten your ass kicked or have men protected you your whole life? 1.00

00:42:44.880 I mean, have you ever driven in LA? 1.00

00:42:46.280 I'm not...

00:42:46.600 If women... 1.00

00:42:47.600 Yes, LA sucks ass. 1.00

00:42:48.720 Let me stop. 1.00

00:42:49.500 If women pulled a gun every time they felt unsafe, none of you would be here. 1.00

00:42:53.120 None of you would be here except for Adam.

00:42:54.600 That's not true.

00:42:55.440 Yeah, it's true.

00:42:55.960 And Aaron...

00:42:56.100 Now, I will say this because you remind me a lot of my wife and Michael and you arguing really

00:43:00.080 reminds me of that.

00:43:00.380 Ew.

00:43:00.500 No, your poor wife. 1.00

00:43:02.220 Hey, you said it.

00:43:03.280 Okay.

00:43:05.540 Am I your husband?

00:43:06.360 If my...

00:43:07.360 If my wife was being menaced by a car and it hit her thigh and she had a gun and she

00:43:14.200 was a man and could draw quickly...

00:43:15.500 Okay, what if you're a woman... 1.00

00:43:16.440 What if your wife was one in the car? 0.99

00:43:17.960 Yeah, because she's not a federal agent and if she was in a f***ing gay state like California, 1.00

00:43:22.840 maybe she would. 0.99

00:43:23.280 She would get charged with manslaughter anywhere?

00:43:25.180 Let's find out.

00:43:26.280 What was your name again?

00:43:27.100 Dude, you wouldn't get charged with manslaughter in the state of Tennessee...

00:43:29.940 If it touched her thigh, yes. 0.88

00:43:31.380 If it f***ing bumped up against her... 0.76

00:43:32.240 Well, you can also get married as a child in Tennessee, so anything goes here, you know?

00:43:35.160 So can you in California?

00:43:36.220 No, you can't.

00:43:36.720 Not in California.

00:43:37.200 Only in the Bible Belt.

00:43:38.120 Google it.

00:43:39.040 Okay.

00:43:39.400 Yeah.

00:43:39.620 All right. 0.76

00:43:40.120 I don't f***ing care. 0.56

00:43:41.280 So we... 0.98

00:43:42.040 Shot?

00:43:42.760 Let's do a little role play.

00:43:44.800 I'm ready to hear it.

00:43:45.380 All right.

00:43:45.980 All right.

00:43:46.620 Let's do it.

00:43:47.040 Pick it up, you two.

00:43:48.180 The tension.

00:43:48.900 You can cut the tension with a knife.

00:43:50.740 Now we have to pick...

00:43:51.760 We should write a novel together.

00:43:52.700 We should write a novel about that.

00:43:54.200 We should...

00:43:55.340 Now we got to pick who won the round.

00:43:58.240 Before we get to the more important question of who won the question round, I think I know

00:44:01.380 the winner.

00:44:02.220 So who here thinks that the Libs won the debate on that topic?

00:44:06.680 You got to put your cards up.

00:44:09.880 Blue cards up.

00:44:10.560 I'm sensing some audience bias here.

00:44:12.220 We got one blue.

00:44:14.040 We got one blue.

00:44:15.020 I love a democracy, though, to be honest.

00:44:17.000 Now, how many think that I won that debate?

00:44:19.880 Okay.

00:44:20.420 All right.

00:44:20.860 We got...

00:44:22.240 All right.

00:44:22.740 All right.

00:44:23.360 Listen.

00:44:23.980 This happened the first time.

00:44:25.040 The first time he was here, it was all very reasonable people.

00:44:28.900 So I kept winning everything.

00:44:30.340 And then we...

00:44:31.200 On the next few debates, there were a bunch of Libs that came in.

00:44:33.740 Oh, really?

00:44:34.080 And so it was more like 50-50.

00:44:35.920 But today, I don't know.

00:44:36.520 Now, we have to figure out who won the question round.

00:44:40.240 I think...

00:44:41.520 I'm not going to say.

00:44:43.360 I think we know.

00:44:44.140 I think we know.

00:44:45.580 Okay.

00:44:47.420 Mr. Whitfield, would you please go over to the John Rich Redneck Riviera VIP table? 0.99

00:44:52.640 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:44:53.500 Is that my prize for mocking this guy? 1.00

00:44:55.500 That's right.

00:44:56.460 You can write the novel while you're over there.

00:44:58.660 Okay.

00:44:59.280 Now, it's round three.

00:45:02.180 Hey! 0.99

00:45:02.900 Yeah, there we go.

00:45:03.780 Thank you.

00:45:06.520 USA!

00:45:08.080 USA!

00:45:09.240 USA!

00:45:10.400 USA!

00:45:11.520 USA!

00:45:12.620 All right.

00:45:13.860 I hope you had Z-biotic before you started tonight. 1.00

00:45:19.480 Okay.

00:45:20.640 So, the remaining topics.

00:45:23.520 Trump is a great president and not at all corrupt.

00:45:28.500 Did we do that one already?

00:45:29.880 No. 0.97

00:45:30.100 We have a major Somali problem, and we need white men to save us. 1.00

00:45:40.200 We already did abortion. 1.00

00:45:42.100 Trump is putting Americans first.

00:45:47.100 The Venezuela strike was as American as Taco Bell.

00:45:49.480 I like Venezuela, though.

00:45:52.660 I like that one.

00:45:53.160 I know.

00:45:53.640 I like that one.

00:45:54.400 They don't like it as much.

00:45:55.300 Okay.

00:45:56.920 Yeah.

00:45:57.520 Yeah.

00:45:57.960 That's topic five.

00:45:59.440 So, all right.

00:46:00.340 I actually think, I think it's between, gosh, I don't know.

00:46:03.360 It might be between three.

00:46:05.000 Who says the Somalis? 0.99

00:46:08.260 Okay.

00:46:09.420 Who says Trump putting America first?

00:46:12.580 Not as much.

00:46:15.080 Who says Venezuela?

00:46:18.100 I hear Venezuela.

00:46:19.300 You think it's Venezuela?

00:46:19.920 What do you think, Mr. Davies?

00:46:20.740 Venezuela or Somalis? 0.99

00:46:22.300 Venezuela over here.

00:46:23.100 All right.

00:46:23.160 Let's take it.

00:46:23.940 All right.

00:46:24.120 That's actually mine.

00:46:26.100 Okay.

00:46:27.380 I believe, and I am correct to believe, that the Venezuela strike was as American as apple 0.86

00:46:33.020 pie.

00:46:34.120 Now, I want to be clear.

00:46:35.200 I support the strike, but I'm not arguing that it was a great strike.

00:46:38.380 It was.

00:46:38.660 It certainly was.

00:46:39.360 It was an excellent strike.

00:46:40.500 But I'm not even making that point.

00:46:42.080 I'm not saying it was geostrategically necessary, though it probably was.

00:46:46.020 I'm simply saying it was very, very American.

00:46:49.680 Some people came out afterwards, said it was unprecedented and unlawful.

00:46:53.560 It was funny because Kamala Harris said it was unlawful. 0.86

00:46:56.060 And it was awkward because her own administration had called for precisely the arrest of Maduro

00:47:01.080 and actually offered 25 million bucks to get it.

00:47:03.380 So Trump did exactly what she wanted, but saved $25 million, which is great.

00:47:08.100 But it was very, very American.

00:47:09.880 And this is because we have been intervening in Latin America since 1846, really going

00:47:16.360 back to 1823 with the Monroe Doctrine.

00:47:18.480 But actively since the Mexican-American War, 1846, we have intervened 88 times in that period.

00:47:24.360 Now 89 times, I guess, because of Venezuela.

00:47:26.900 We did it something like seven times in the 19th century.

00:47:29.580 We did it a little more than that, 77 times in the 20th century.

00:47:34.520 We've done it three, now four times in the 21st century.

00:47:37.840 It was awesome.

00:47:39.000 It did the founding fathers proud.

00:47:41.260 And it's very, very American.

00:47:43.520 Wait, can I ask you a question?

00:47:44.680 Yes.

00:47:45.280 Following up on that, you just named a lot of the regime changes or at least removals of

00:47:48.980 leaders in Latin America and the Middle East.

00:47:50.780 Can you name a single time in the past, like 50 years, it's gone well for us, for the United

00:47:54.220 States?

00:47:54.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:55.100 Quite recently in Panama.

00:47:56.800 It was great.

00:47:57.140 We got Noriega out just 30 years ago.

00:47:58.640 Worked out great.

00:47:59.580 So I think part of the problem is that the prompt that you sent me, I was curious, can

00:48:05.560 you admit that the vast majority of times they've not only gone wrong, but it's led to

00:48:08.940 the deaths of like hundreds of thousands of people?

00:48:10.660 When have we done a regime change?

00:48:11.740 This is just history, right?

00:48:12.640 No, sometimes, the Middle East has gone worse.

00:48:14.200 No, no, not just sometimes, a lot.

00:48:14.860 And Latin America, too.

00:48:16.100 Middle East has gone worse than Latin America. 1.00

00:48:17.880 Latin America, we're better at it.

00:48:19.500 Sometimes it can go wrong.

00:48:21.020 In Guatemala, it went a little rough.

00:48:22.760 But a lot of times, it's pretty easy.

00:48:24.360 I mean, we've gone in in places like the DR.

00:48:26.120 We go in, we take someone out, and then we kind of reform.

00:48:29.580 We put him back in sometimes.

00:48:31.380 We've basically created the nation of Panama out of Colombia.

00:48:34.380 We've done it in Nicaragua a bunch of times.

00:48:35.980 So we've been actually pretty effective there.

00:48:38.000 I don't think in Latin America it's turned out well 90% of the time.

00:48:41.580 So the prompt that you submitted to me was that the strikes on Venezuela were as American

00:48:45.780 as Taco Bell.

00:48:46.480 And I was thinking, I agree in the sense that you regret eating Taco Bell the next day in

00:48:50.500 the same way that most regime changes are regretful at some point.

00:48:57.680 Now, this isn't even me, again, living out.

00:48:59.740 If you look at the history of—I'm not.

00:49:01.820 Genuinely, I want to put America first, and I want to prioritize Americans on the ground, 0.97

00:49:05.960 not only economically when unemployment is up, not only small businesses, but I think

00:49:09.640 Americans should be prioritized.

00:49:11.060 And right now I see Donald Trump being caught up with things abroad.

00:49:14.160 So not only Greenland, not only Canada he talks about, he talks a lot about Europe, but he

00:49:18.600 talks a lot about Venezuela.

00:49:20.540 I've seen him talk more about Venezuela and Greenland than inflation or health care at

00:49:24.440 this point.

00:49:25.540 And the problem is, with Venezuela or with Latin America, almost all regime changes we've

00:49:31.460 done have gone poorly over the course of a few years.

00:49:34.580 So even with Gaddafi— 0.80

00:49:36.060 Well, Gaddafi was awful.

00:49:37.260 That was a disaster under Obama.

00:49:38.560 This proves my point, too.

00:49:39.800 Like, I'm not going to defend Obama on this, but this proves my point.

00:49:42.360 In the two to three weeks following the removal of Gaddafi, I was doing this research, looking

00:49:45.720 up the articles.

00:49:46.340 People were celebrating, and people were saying, this is finally bringing an era of peace.

00:49:50.040 People were saying, now that Gaddafi is gone, the Middle East is going to be reformed.

00:49:53.660 Well, guess what?

00:49:54.540 Like, two or three months later, they devolved into a civil war with open-air slave markets,

00:49:58.860 and they are still in a very bad spot.

00:50:01.060 So I'm not even going to argue against the removal of Maduro.

00:50:04.140 I thought the military did a great effing job.

00:50:05.860 It was amazing.

00:50:06.820 It was so impressive.

00:50:07.500 Of course.

00:50:08.020 Of course.

00:50:09.400 I also think Maduro is the enemy of the Western civilization.

00:50:13.660 I think Maduro is the enemy of America.

00:50:15.240 So don't mistake me as defending Maduro, but I genuinely think there are problems with

00:50:19.240 regime changes being carried out, and there are also problems with the president unilaterally

00:50:23.300 striking other countries without the authorization of Congress.

00:50:26.580 So you're making one big error, because you've conflated two things.

00:50:30.400 I said there have been 88 interventions in Latin America, and you've equated them with

00:50:34.260 regime change.

00:50:35.200 Only 15 of those were regime change.

00:50:37.080 Sometimes they were interventions to just make the regime act a little better.

00:50:40.640 But interventions blew back, too.

00:50:42.480 I mean, we can call it whatever you want.

00:50:43.720 When you're militarily, but those are different things.

00:50:45.820 The key here is, do you think the Venezuela strike was a regime change?

00:50:50.440 I think it's regime coercion at this point, because the regime is still standing.

00:50:54.040 But it's not regime change.

00:50:54.720 Is the regime still there?

00:50:55.520 It's military intervention.

00:50:56.660 Wait, that's not a good argument.

00:50:58.220 The Maduro regime is still there, and you think that looks good for us?

00:51:01.500 Yes.

00:51:02.060 Because I agree with you that sometimes massive upheavals of regime are a bad idea.

00:51:06.680 Most times.

00:51:07.460 Most times.

00:51:07.760 Maybe, maybe, maybe not.

00:51:09.280 The biggest problem in Iraq, of course, was not when we entered.

00:51:11.940 We actually were greeted as liberators.

00:51:13.640 The problem was when we disbanded the Ba'ath Party, when we de-Ba'athized Iraq and created 0.90

00:51:18.400 the insurgency.

00:51:19.320 So in the case of Venezuela, what we're doing here is not Bush-era spreading of democracy,

00:51:24.620 Madisonian liberalism around the world.

00:51:25.940 Wait, what are we doing then?

00:51:26.900 What we're doing there is kicking China out, kicking Iran out, kicking Russia out. 0.97

00:51:31.040 We're taking oil that is owed to us.

00:51:33.060 We're taking out Maduro, who's been a target of the United States for 25 years now.

00:51:37.140 Well, since the Chavez regime.

00:51:38.920 And now we're leaving his deputy in charge, and we're saying, play ball or else.

00:51:43.860 What's going to happen otherwise is we're going to treat you worse than Maduro.

00:51:46.200 Okay, but this is a problem.

00:51:47.320 Which is very restrained.

00:51:47.980 It's called a little Donro doctrine.

00:51:50.800 The Donro doctrine, baby.

00:51:52.360 Now we're talking.

00:51:52.720 This is a massive, massive problem.

00:51:54.460 This is a massive problem.

00:51:55.700 A lot of times when interventions fail, it's because there's not a solid backup plan.

00:51:59.540 I think this would have gone way better.

00:52:00.860 But there's the backup plan.

00:52:01.720 Leave the vice president in place.

00:52:02.800 Okay, that is an awful backup plan.

00:52:04.620 I think he should have at least endorsed Machado, who is the opposition leader.

00:52:07.800 That would have been a full regime change.

00:52:09.580 There's so many.

00:52:10.480 That would have been Libya. 0.81

00:52:11.220 That would have been Iraq. 0.90

00:52:11.960 We are going in to pillage their resources like oil.

00:52:14.740 Then we are holding.

00:52:15.520 First of all, some of those are our resources that they stole.

00:52:17.600 We can debate that, but we can.

00:52:19.280 Then oil executives.

00:52:20.280 I mean, just to back up.

00:52:21.840 Everyone in this room, most people in this room who voted for Trump,

00:52:24.260 probably wanted Trump to put America first.

00:52:27.080 Right now, what I see is Donald Trump focusing so much so on foreign countries

00:52:30.540 that he is now pillaging Venezuela for resources, for their resources, 0.50

00:52:34.620 without helping the Venezuelan people. 0.98

00:52:36.240 How does this help the Venezuelan people?

00:52:36.900 So then who's it helping?

00:52:38.240 It's helping.

00:52:38.720 Americans first. 0.97

00:52:39.620 I guess you're right.

00:52:40.040 No, you're wrong.

00:52:40.700 You're wrong.

00:52:41.620 It's not.

00:52:42.380 It's helping oil executives.

00:52:44.180 It's helping Chevron.

00:52:45.140 It's helping oil execs that were sitting around that table.

00:52:46.960 Do you think that when the United States-

00:52:48.540 Oil executives, you do not care if you guys die uninsured, by the way.

00:52:51.120 None of them.

00:52:51.600 None of them know your name.

00:52:52.320 But wait a minute.

00:52:52.980 So it's like, you're riding for Chevron, but none of them know you.

00:52:55.440 Donald Trump put U.S. troops' lives at risk during this operation

00:53:00.160 just to make oil executives rich.

00:53:02.560 Can you guys pay for that?

00:53:03.520 Absolutely true.

00:53:04.380 Adam, you know, there was a legal order going back five years

00:53:07.340 for the arrest of Nicolas Maduro.

00:53:08.660 That's not an illegal-

00:53:09.320 I'm not making an illegal argument.

00:53:10.920 A legality argument.

00:53:11.460 The previous administration called for this very action.

00:53:14.600 I'm not making a legality argument.

00:53:15.720 No, you're saying that, do you think that the Biden-Harris administration only called

00:53:20.980 for that policy?

00:53:21.940 Do you think the judge who issued the arrest warrant only did so to make oil executives

00:53:26.100 rich?

00:53:27.280 No, I think that-

00:53:28.060 Exactly.

00:53:28.360 There you go.

00:53:29.120 And Trump didn't do it either.

00:53:29.920 No, I have a better answer.

00:53:30.700 I think that Biden would have at least encouraged Machado to step into power and then help the

00:53:35.080 Venezuelan people.

00:53:36.000 Your problem is-

00:53:36.760 So can you admit that we are-

00:53:37.440 They can't even say Machado, bro.

00:53:38.820 We are subjecting the Venezuelan people to take their oil to just benefit us. 1.00

00:53:43.460 This is not a good precedent to set.

00:53:44.780 You're not making a good argument here.

00:53:46.040 No, no, no.

00:53:46.960 How does this benefit the Venezuelan people at all?

00:53:48.860 The dictator of Venezuela was inviting our enemies into the hemisphere.

00:53:53.100 China, Russia, and Iran.

00:53:55.060 They were sending illegal aliens by the busload, much more than the busload, into the United 0.99

00:53:59.260 States, especially under Joe Biden.

00:54:00.560 They were sending drugs into the United States.

00:54:03.040 They were funding terrorism.

00:54:04.840 And so that was a national security problem for the United States.

00:54:09.040 This has been the case as a cornerstone of American foreign policy since 1823.

00:54:13.100 We removed him in accordance with 25 years of U.S. policy.

00:54:15.620 Okay, let me ask- I have one more question.

00:54:17.160 Yeah.

00:54:18.500 I guess the question is, if Delce Rodriguez begins to not play ball and tries to lengthen

00:54:23.880 negotiations- 0.94

00:54:24.280 Trump threatened to kill her.

00:54:25.400 Okay, so we are going to continue U.S. military force? 0.92

00:54:28.160 Yeah.

00:54:28.520 So-

00:54:29.000 Just like we have since 1846, baby. 0.98

00:54:31.320 You guys have no f***ing morals. 0.74

00:54:32.800 You guys voted for no new wars. 0.97

00:54:34.520 And Michael Nose is up here saying that we might be in a prolonged war with Venezuela.

00:54:38.260 Yeah, we always do that.

00:54:40.000 You guys are all going to go to war, bro.

00:54:41.080 Wait, so are you okay with Trump starting a prolonged war with Venezuela without the authorization

00:54:44.140 of Congress?

00:54:44.880 Where's the war?

00:54:46.520 No.

00:54:46.920 You guys couldn't even change a tire.

00:54:48.600 There's a war with it.

00:54:49.380 There's a war with it.

00:54:49.400 There's a war with it.

00:54:49.420 You guys are really going to go to war?

00:54:51.420 Wait, wait.

00:54:52.340 It's an 88-minute war.

00:54:53.880 We are talking hypothetically if Delce Rodriguez doesn't help Trump.

00:54:57.400 This was literally-

00:54:58.320 Were you not listening over there?

00:54:59.480 Yeah.

00:54:59.640 Gregory doesn't think he's going to go to war.

00:55:02.580 No, I didn't say there is a war.

00:55:03.840 I said if Delce Rodriguez doesn't-

00:55:05.280 You're not going to make it a war.

00:55:05.300 Well, I'll tell you what probably will happen.

00:55:06.660 I'm sorry.

00:55:06.940 You're not built for that.

00:55:07.320 It's probably what happened the last time we replaced the leader of Venezuela is that

00:55:10.280 it'll take about an hour and a half and we'll just go to the next guy.

00:55:12.820 Wait, wait.

00:55:13.160 So you're just going to perpetually remove leaders that are handpicked by-

00:55:16.380 If we have to, yeah.

00:55:17.300 Wait, then handpicked by Delce Rodriguez.

00:55:19.500 That's what we've done for centuries in Latin America.

00:55:21.020 This is the most ineffective, least American first policy ever.

00:55:23.240 We've done it since the Mexican-American War.

00:55:24.900 Anything for Chevron.

00:55:25.860 Donald Trump in 20-

00:55:27.120 The Mexican-American War existed before Chevron existed.

00:55:30.180 Under the Trump administration back in 2019, they did a war game-

00:55:33.700 All right, finish this in.

00:55:35.360 They did a war game simulation of what would happen if we removed Maduro.

00:55:38.440 It said within one to two months, there are three scenarios.

00:55:40.960 Either it devolves into a civil war that cuts us off from oil.

00:55:43.900 Either warring militias begin to coup whoever is in charge, Delce Rodriguez.

00:55:48.340 And the third one was like even worse.

00:55:50.160 So all of this, that's why they didn't do it.

00:55:51.680 All of the scenarios in this war games showed that removing Maduro long-term doesn't help.

00:55:57.020 So you just made the argument that we could be perpetually-

00:55:59.260 So why'd we do it?

00:56:00.260 No, you just made the argument that we could be perpetually removing leaders for the next

00:56:04.320 few years while they draw out the negotiations, which is the United States being in a war with

00:56:08.500 Venezuela.

00:56:09.200 That's not what we want to do.

00:56:09.880 Okay, Adamson, I want to hear what she has to say.

00:56:11.560 I want to hear what she has to say.

00:56:12.000 We got to go.

00:56:12.420 Let's go.

00:56:12.820 Yeah.

00:56:13.400 Hi, my name's Lauren.

00:56:14.960 So name twins.

00:56:16.000 I actually have a comment for you.

00:56:17.880 First off, totally respect you for coming up here and debating.

00:56:20.640 Um, but I just think that Lauren to Lauren, I think if you use a little less ad hominem

00:56:25.980 attacks and going after people's character, we'll all take you a lot more seriously.

00:56:30.060 Most of the comments you said have been reflecting on our like appearances or like our stereotypes.

00:56:35.920 And I think we'll all listen to you a lot more if you back off on that and start using

00:56:39.980 more facts.

00:56:40.440 Okay.

00:56:40.640 So thank you, Lauren.

00:56:42.760 What I will say is like, I don't get to, everyone feels very entitled to kindness, but

00:56:47.600 in the same breath, they're talking about killing mothers four times in the face.

00:56:51.680 And we're like, woo. 0.78

00:56:52.420 And then you're like, hey, Lauren, be a little nicer.

00:56:54.100 So it goes both ways.

00:56:55.400 I'm not saying be nicer.

00:56:56.160 I'm saying use facts instead of attacks on character because you should be able to defend

00:57:01.320 your point with facts and not with going after how they look.

00:57:03.900 And I have, but I haven't gotten to be able to.

00:57:05.340 No, you haven't actually.

00:57:06.260 To be fair, it's a combative environment.

00:57:08.280 And when people are booing you, sometimes it's easy to get defensive when you're on stage.

00:57:11.640 Yeah, but here's a good example, since we're having a nice little therapy session, like

00:57:15.380 when you were arguing about abortion, you, you didn't really focus so much on the policy

00:57:20.080 or the fact itself.

00:57:21.140 You were trying to impugn the motives and psychoanalyze the people who say openly that

00:57:27.380 like myself, that we just don't want babies to be killed.

00:57:30.420 Okay.

00:57:30.940 But the topic was wanting to control women's bodies. 0.99

00:57:33.780 And what did we get to wanting to control women's bodies? 0.97

00:57:36.120 Yeah.

00:57:36.360 And also a fundamental misunderstanding of abortion.

00:57:38.700 And it's very difficult to have a debate with, uh, around facts when people are not connected

00:57:44.920 to reality, which objectively the definition of abortion, which the room tended to just

00:57:50.160 not agree with, which science is one of those things you either understand, you can't not

00:57:55.360 believe in it.

00:57:56.020 You just either, it's like two plus two, four.

00:57:58.380 You make a great, you make a great point, Laura.

00:58:00.460 You either understand it or you don't.

00:58:02.160 That's true.

00:58:03.300 Next question.

00:58:05.000 Okay.

00:58:05.560 I actually have a question.

00:58:07.400 Goodbye.

00:58:07.600 I actually have a question.

00:58:11.680 I have a question for Lauren on the abortion topic.

00:58:14.640 Actually, my first question leading into this is, do you believe that black lives matter? 1.00

00:58:19.100 Yes.

00:58:19.880 Okay, great. 0.97

00:58:20.700 Second to that is abortion has killed nearly half the population of black people. 0.96

00:58:26.920 If it's not for abortion, there would be almost double the amount of black people that 1.00

00:58:30.840 there are today. 0.88

00:58:31.600 Are you glad that those women were not encouraged to control their bodies and give birth to their 1.00

00:58:35.380 children?

00:58:36.520 Do you think that those lives don't matter?

00:58:37.400 What I'm going to bring it back to facts, because you guys love facts.

00:58:39.760 That's a fact.

00:58:40.380 Fetuses are not people.

00:58:42.660 Fetuses are not people. 0.82

00:58:43.480 So, okay, so, okay, okay, so, so the fetuses, the black fetuses that were removed from their 0.99

00:58:50.700 mother's wombs would have, had they been born, grown up to be black children, black adults, 0.99

00:58:57.520 and they would have almost nearly double the population that they have today. 0.94

00:59:01.940 That is half of the black population that has been wiped out because these women were 1.00

00:59:06.460 encouraged to kill their fetuses. 0.99

00:59:08.700 That's just a fact, Lauren. 1.00

00:59:08.860 That's a fact.

00:59:09.480 Michael's like, maybe I am pro-abortion.

00:59:10.880 What is your name? 1.00

00:59:11.060 Fuck. 1.00

00:59:11.620 Molly. 1.00

00:59:12.240 Molly.

00:59:12.580 Nice to meet you.

00:59:13.220 Yes, ma'am.

00:59:13.600 Nice to meet you, too.

00:59:14.980 So, babies are not the same as fetus.

00:59:18.280 They literally are.

00:59:19.320 Even to grant your premise, let's say that fetus isn't really a baby.

00:59:22.900 What she's saying is, if the abortions did not take place, left unimpeded, those fetuses, 0.94

00:59:28.960 or whatever you want to call them, would have become fully grown black people, and the black 0.96

00:59:33.360 population in the U.S. would be double. 0.90

00:59:34.740 Why are we talking about the black population when we're talking about control over women's 1.00

00:59:37.480 bodies? 0.99

00:59:38.100 If black women want to have the baby, they can have the baby. 1.00

00:59:40.460 We don't only talk about what you want to talk about, Lauren.

00:59:43.260 I think that what we'd say is we'd prioritize the autonomy of these women to make their own 0.98

00:59:48.400 decision over them being forced to have a baby who may grow up in suboptimal environments.

00:59:53.940 If these people got abortions, it's probably because they couldn't support a baby coming 1.00

00:59:56.880 into the world.

00:59:57.820 Or they didn't want to.

00:59:59.020 You guys always talk about single-parent households, and you guys talk about these.

01:00:02.020 If a baby is going to be born to a mother whose father left, and she decides to abort it,

01:00:07.520 I think that she's making a decision to prioritize herself over a baby that would be born to a

01:00:11.920 shitty situation. 0.84

01:00:12.680 That's the argument that we'd make.

01:00:14.000 Do you think that a baby who has been born to a single mother should be open to a post-birth 0.99

01:00:20.020 abortion? 0.89

01:00:20.540 In other words, he's going to grow up in a bad environment, all these problems that you're 0.55

01:00:24.880 ascribing to these young black women, and we all know that, but he's been born, but he's

01:00:28.840 going to have a really tough life, you think. 1.00

01:00:31.360 Wouldn't it be better for that child to be killed? 1.00

01:00:33.400 No, of course not. 1.00

01:00:33.940 No, no, no.

01:00:34.160 Then why would it be better for the baby five minutes earlier in the womb to be?

01:00:37.660 Nobody wants a post-life abortion. 1.00

01:00:39.000 That's a murder.

01:00:40.620 What?

01:00:41.120 When a person is born, yes, that's murder.

01:00:44.600 That's homicide, you guys.

01:00:45.460 Come on.

01:00:45.780 I guess the point that Adam's making is interesting to me, because it's kind of like the

01:00:49.340 Freakonomics argument.

01:00:50.640 You know, like they said crime rates went down because abortion rates went up, which is a pretty 1.00

01:00:53.980 ghoulish argument, if it is even true.

01:00:56.540 But I guess my point, if the premise of your argument is that a kid growing up in tough

01:01:00.020 circumstances justifies just killing that kid in the first place.

01:01:03.660 No, no, no.

01:01:03.740 I'm not saying I justify that.

01:01:04.680 I said the bodily autonomy of women. 0.99

01:01:06.760 That's probably the argument that we make.

01:01:08.080 Plus the bodily autonomy of women. 1.00

01:01:09.360 No, no.

01:01:09.640 Mainly the bodily autonomy of women to make the decision for their own situation is what 1.00

01:01:13.320 I'm saying.

01:01:13.420 So it's really, because those are totally different.

01:01:15.340 Really, I think you're saying the bodily autonomy is what it's all about, but also they grow

01:01:19.940 up in bad situations.

01:01:20.800 But if we only isolate the latter one, you would throw that argument out.

01:01:24.140 I'm saying the argument that she's trying to make, basically, is that women are prioritizing 1.00

01:01:27.120 bodily autonomy over some nebulous idea of the black population growing.

01:01:30.840 I think that, yeah.

01:01:31.640 They're prioritizing it over their own babies. 0.96

01:01:33.280 Yeah.

01:01:33.380 I think that's wrong.

01:01:34.320 Okay.

01:01:34.640 Then, yeah, we don't.

01:01:35.480 We think that the bodily autonomy is...

01:01:36.740 My whole thing is, if you don't want an abortion, don't get one. 0.95

01:01:39.780 Whatever happened to accountability is the question.

01:01:43.440 How many people does it take to make a baby? 0.99

01:01:44.800 There are long-term consequences to choosing to control your own body, whatever it is you're

01:01:51.080 saying. 0.96

01:01:51.360 There are long-term consequences, and half of the black population not being here today 1.00

01:01:55.560 is a consequence of all of those women choosing for themselves not to get birth to their babies. 0.73

01:02:02.140 There is a consequence to that.

01:02:04.960 It's not just like...

01:02:06.040 Okay.

01:02:06.180 So, what's the fixation with black women's abortions? 1.00

01:02:11.220 Because it's proven... 0.89

01:02:12.220 I'm asking Molly.

01:02:13.380 It's a statistic.

01:02:14.060 So, Molly, why do you care about...

01:02:15.260 Why did you come up here and choose to talk about black women's abortions?

01:02:18.460 Why?

01:02:19.000 Because it'll tug on your liberal heartstrings.

01:02:20.700 I'm asking Molly.

01:02:20.740 I'm like, oh, Molly.

01:02:21.520 Yes.

01:02:22.120 I'm asking Molly.

01:02:23.040 Molly, why did you choose...

01:02:23.480 Because it is a statistical example of a...

01:02:25.460 I know.

01:02:25.740 It's a statistical example, but why?

01:02:27.140 I have a question about the current topic.

01:02:28.780 It is a statistical example of the long-term effects of abortion.

01:02:32.700 Why did you choose that out of all the statistics you could have chosen?

01:02:35.520 You don't want to talk a question about Venezuela and the current topic.

01:02:38.660 Because the left, one of their pinnacle fights over the last 10 years has been black lives matter.

01:02:43.840 Venezuela.

01:02:44.400 And I'm standing up as a pro-life conservative saying black lives do matter.

01:02:48.540 Okay.

01:02:48.800 So, black lives matter.

01:02:50.060 So, black women who are alive and here and functioning on this earth, you don't believe 1.00

01:02:54.000 that they have the right to choose whether having a baby is the right to... 0.86

01:02:58.120 That's not the question.

01:02:58.880 Okay.

01:02:59.000 Let's talk about...

01:02:59.640 That is the question.

01:03:00.300 That is literally exactly the question.

01:03:01.560 They do.

01:03:02.360 So, my question for you, Molly...

01:03:03.940 It's a choice and half of their population is not here.

01:03:07.540 I can't hear Molly because everyone's hooting and hollering.

01:03:10.340 What was your question?

01:03:11.360 Whatever you just said, I couldn't hear that.

01:03:13.120 Can you say that again?

01:03:14.200 I have a question about the current topic.

01:03:16.000 I'm talking to Molly.

01:03:16.680 I don't know why you asked and what I answered.

01:03:18.980 So, why...

01:03:19.980 Like, again, succinctly explain to me why you chose Black Lives Matter and forcing black 1.00

01:03:25.880 women to give birth is your platform of choice tonight. 1.00

01:03:28.400 Why?

01:03:28.560 It's not...

01:03:28.840 There's no one's forcing.

01:03:29.980 We are encouraging and showing the reality of that a fetus is a baby and that every life

01:03:36.520 deserves to have a chance to live.

01:03:38.100 No one's forcing, holding the woman down. 0.99

01:03:40.240 We are encouraging and hoping that they will give their babies the right to life and the

01:03:45.280 opportunity to live a life.

01:03:46.940 Okay.

01:03:47.140 And if they're born into shitty circumstances, maybe they'll turn it around and become an 0.92

01:03:51.140 incredible leader.

01:03:51.940 You don't know.

01:03:52.860 Molly, we agree on a couple things.

01:03:54.340 We agree that, like, hope...

01:03:56.860 Sure, you can hope one thing.

01:03:58.040 I can hope one thing.

01:03:58.880 Gregory can hope one thing.

01:04:01.480 But...

01:04:01.880 What about wit?

01:04:02.980 What about wit?

01:04:03.620 Yes, Gregory can hope one thing.

01:04:04.860 Give it up for Gregory.

01:04:06.080 But there's a difference between hope and forcing.

01:04:09.120 And I believe in the autonomy of women.

01:04:11.800 Well, that's the thing.

01:04:12.900 I would force.

01:04:13.520 That's what the question is.

01:04:14.100 I would force.

01:04:14.620 The only thing we agree on is that hope is not a strategy.

01:04:18.360 Yeah, that's fair.

01:04:19.560 It's a theological virtue, though.

01:04:20.740 All right, all right.

01:04:21.220 Hold on.

01:04:21.480 We got to move on.

01:04:22.100 Let's get to the next question.

01:04:22.840 That's a really good question.

01:04:23.120 Okay, bringing it back to the current topic, I would like y'all to answer or explain, define

01:04:32.740 what about international law is legitimate or has any sort of grounding or force.

01:04:42.000 Because based on U.S. law, every action taken in Venezuela was completely legitimate.

01:04:50.020 Yep.

01:04:50.720 But based on, you know, all of the complaints about it are violations of international law.

01:04:57.040 So please explain that.

01:04:58.200 That wasn't my complaint about it.

01:04:59.820 I didn't bring in a legal argument or an international law argument.

01:05:02.620 I think there's a decent argument that Trump made legal strikes.

01:05:05.460 Now, the distinction I'd make, Obama made a lot of, did a lot of strikes under the authorized

01:05:09.360 use of military force in a post 9-11 era.

01:05:12.120 Trump, when you're striking a country, should probably go through Congress before doing an

01:05:15.860 act of war.

01:05:16.620 But I'm not going to say it's illegal or it's going to be upheld as illegal.

01:05:19.020 The reason I say that every president should have to go through Congress, not only Trump,

01:05:22.580 but Obama and Biden before doing this, is because we don't want presidents as Americans

01:05:26.180 to be able to unilaterally strike or do act of war.

01:05:29.180 Like, for example, Trump is talking a lot about Greenland lately.

01:05:31.880 Would you be okay if Trump authorized a strike on Greenland?

01:05:34.680 I will become the most Dick Cheney neocon.

01:05:37.860 I want F-35s flying over nuke, baby.

01:05:41.300 I want to greet them.

01:05:42.460 I want them to greet us as liberators from their Danish overlords. 1.00

01:05:45.980 You realize?

01:05:46.620 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:05:47.340 It's fine.

01:05:48.140 Okay.

01:05:48.960 You guys have no moral foundation.

01:05:51.640 You guys voted for something?

01:05:52.540 No, why?

01:05:52.780 No.

01:05:53.640 Adam's being mean, too.

01:05:54.820 Adam's being mean, too.

01:05:55.760 Hold up, hold up.

01:05:56.620 No, no, no.

01:05:57.180 This is so true.

01:05:58.300 Donald Trump said over and over, no new wars.

01:06:00.540 No new wars.

01:06:01.280 And you guys just cheered for somebody who wants F-35s to fly over a NATO.

01:06:04.600 No, I mean, look, I'm exaggerating a little.

01:06:05.980 It's a joke.

01:06:06.440 I'm exaggerating a little.

01:06:06.940 Listen, listen, no.

01:06:07.780 Donald Trump has not ruled out military force against a NATO ally.

01:06:11.000 Now, I want to talk a little bit about, like, international law and why it's important

01:06:13.980 just for one second.

01:06:14.720 In a post-World War II era, after the bloodiest conflict in human history, all the world leaders

01:06:19.780 came together and said, we have to make sure the world doesn't devolve into chaos again.

01:06:23.280 So they created NATO, which says that you can't just invade countries for no reason.

01:06:27.440 I'm not f***ing wrong.

01:06:28.540 But to continue, good one, you guys.

01:06:31.180 Well, no, it wasn't all the world leaders, right?

01:06:32.960 There was half the world was aligned with NATO, half with the wars off.

01:06:36.300 Okay, that's a great point.

01:06:37.120 So developed countries decided to join NATO.

01:06:39.080 Then they got to enjoy.

01:06:40.120 No, the Soviet Union was a developed country.

01:06:41.580 Okay.

01:06:41.720 The countries that joined NATO got to enjoy decades and decades of not only economic growth,

01:06:47.020 but more technology, more medicine.

01:06:48.740 The countries that haven't joined NATO are honestly like third world shitholes at this

01:06:52.240 moment.

01:06:52.880 So NATO exists to keep us safe, to make sure that we have a world order that is in focus

01:06:59.320 and the United States benefits from that world order.

01:07:02.280 So I just don't like Donald Trump trying to step all over NATO, trying to threaten our NATO

01:07:06.760 ally of Greenland.

01:07:07.620 You realize we have US troops on the ground in Greenland, not to invade them, but because 0.95

01:07:11.060 they're a f***ing ally.

01:07:12.000 We could call them up and just say, hey, can we put more troops on the ground? 0.94

01:07:15.200 Is Greenland an independent nation?

01:07:16.780 Greenland is not independent.

01:07:17.800 No.

01:07:17.960 Oh, you're right.

01:07:18.640 So we're talking about Denmark.

01:07:19.700 Okay.

01:07:19.980 No, no, we have troops in Greenland.

01:07:21.680 Yeah.

01:07:21.940 So we can call up Denmark and literally just say, can we increase troops to Greenland?

01:07:25.500 Or I'm sure we can communicate with Greenland directly.

01:07:27.020 Why does Denmark have Greenland?

01:07:28.620 Isn't that weird?

01:07:29.220 We're closer to Greenland than Denmark is.

01:07:30.700 That's not how you, that's not how property or international law works.

01:07:33.140 Isn't that weird?

01:07:33.600 Well, you mentioned international law is very interesting here because you mentioned NATO and it's very telling

01:07:37.740 that you misspoke and you said that, you know, the whole world was,

01:07:40.960 united by NATO.

01:07:41.800 No, no, no.

01:07:42.180 That was a product of the Cold War where half the world was divided into NATO and the other

01:07:46.600 half was in the Warsaw Pact.

01:07:48.060 And so when the Cold War ended now, um, 35 years ago, the role of NATO dramatically changed

01:07:53.780 and the role of the United States as the sole global hegemon changed.

01:07:56.680 And so there is such a thing as international law.

01:07:58.860 I don't, I'm not one of these people who says international law is fake.

01:08:01.500 There is such a thing.

01:08:03.300 I'm not Matt Walsh.

01:08:04.340 I do think it's real though.

01:08:05.660 The point he's making is a good one, which is that the, the modern instantiation of international 0.88

01:08:10.140 law, like the UN and associated bodies is ridiculous. 0.57

01:08:13.720 It's a liberal international. 0.64

01:08:14.400 It's not ridiculous.

01:08:15.360 Article five of NATO has prevented nuclear war from breaking out.

01:08:18.720 The military might of the United States has prevented nuclear war from breaking out.

01:08:21.880 That's what it is.

01:08:22.420 And that's all NATO is too.

01:08:23.540 No, wait, wait, no, no, no.

01:08:24.500 You're wait.

01:08:25.260 Hey, Adam.

01:08:25.580 You guys clap for everything.

01:08:26.720 You're making my points.

01:08:27.900 One more question.

01:08:28.820 Gregory?

01:08:29.380 You're making my points.

01:08:30.420 The military might of the United States has deterred countries from invading our NATO

01:08:35.080 allies, which would also have military troops if they got invaded.

01:08:39.080 So the might of the United States as a leader of NATO has benefited us.

01:08:42.460 We provide their military protection.

01:08:44.320 China and Russia are aggressing on Greenland.

01:08:46.700 It's strategically necessary.

01:08:48.500 It's been the policy of the US State Department since the mid 19th century to acquire Greenland

01:08:52.400 and we have to take it.

01:08:53.800 If China and Russia did anything to Greenland, under NATO, article five would mean that we 0.65

01:08:58.720 retaliate.

01:08:59.380 Like Russia and China are not surrounding it.

01:09:00.640 Right.

01:09:00.660 And we're getting a head start.

01:09:01.840 That's what's going on.

01:09:02.620 Can I add to this?

01:09:04.840 You guys have no moral foundation if you're okay with French. 1.00

01:09:07.020 So I appreciate people who've never seen conflict really like get emboldened and really

01:09:11.840 like lash out about how they know everything about world conflict at a grand scale.

01:09:15.240 I'm not saying I know everything.

01:09:16.360 As for a lot of people in this country, you know, we've never had conflict.

01:09:19.440 Are you okay with new wars being started?

01:09:21.500 Because that's what he's saying.

01:09:22.400 My question to you is.

01:09:24.160 Wait, you just said you won F-35s over Greenland.

01:09:26.040 Now you're saying you're not saying that.

01:09:26.700 There won't be a war.

01:09:27.460 It won't last very long.

01:09:28.140 No moral foundation.

01:09:29.380 So I appreciate the sentiment of no new wars.

01:09:34.840 But my question to you is, do you think that America will survive if we do not take a country 0.98

01:09:40.320 like Venezuela with the largest oil deposits?

01:09:42.480 Because, listen, hear me out.

01:09:44.400 America creates light oil.

01:09:46.380 We have a lot of fracking in this country.

01:09:47.920 Most of our refineries and things that convert heavy oil is what we have here in America, which is on the Gulf of America.

01:09:55.700 Yay, Gulf of America.

01:09:56.360 But ultimately, when you have China, Russia, everyone teaming up with Cuba, Venezuela, who are taking over Guyana for all the resources,

01:10:06.100 consider the One Belt, One Road initiative that China is putting in place.

01:10:10.220 They're giving a lot of money to these regimes to make them look good so they can create infrastructure so they can win the voting power.

01:10:16.660 And then they're indebted forever to China.

01:10:19.620 When they take over that region and they have all these resources that we do not, and then they start launching missiles into our backyard right across the Gulf, 0.80

01:10:26.900 you think as the leaders of the free world that we should not intervene and take over Venezuela?

01:10:31.560 Should we intervene and take over Venezuela?

01:10:34.120 No.

01:10:34.700 And we haven't done that.

01:10:35.580 Currently, Delce Rodriguez is in power, so your framing is entirely wrong.

01:10:39.020 I mean, we're running the show.

01:10:40.400 She is sort of in power, but Rubio and Trump are running Venezuela.

01:10:43.540 You asked a fundamental question.

01:10:44.480 How is America supposed to survive if we're not taking over countries like Venezuela the same way that we both survived and excelled over the past 70 years?

01:10:53.100 Over the past 70 years, we have seen a massive increase in quality of life, technology, medicine.

01:10:57.720 And it's awesome, right?

01:10:58.440 And it's awesome.

01:10:58.920 How do you keep those going?

01:10:59.780 Oil.

01:11:00.400 You need oil.

01:11:01.360 You need heavy oil.

01:11:02.220 It's because global wars haven't broken out in the same way they did before.

01:11:05.040 The luxuries of what you love here in America no longer exist.

01:11:08.480 Okay.

01:11:08.920 Are you saying that pillaging Venezuela for their oil reserves and taking—

01:11:12.160 I'm not saying pillaging.

01:11:13.120 What I'm saying is—

01:11:13.960 Wait, you are.

01:11:14.020 You're saying taking it away from the civilians. 0.80

01:11:15.120 No, I'm saying taking a leader in a regime who is working with China and our enemies out of the equation and letting them come back in and trade and become an ally.

01:11:24.720 We want Venezuela to be an ally so we can have access to the resources.

01:11:27.260 We want them to be an ally by taking over their country. 0.94

01:11:29.860 Number two, if you're scared—

01:11:32.400 Maduro is not on our team in any way, shape, or form.

01:11:34.320 Maduro won't be either.

01:11:35.640 But let me ask you, are you okay?

01:11:36.800 She's doing all right now.

01:11:37.520 So should we or should we not have taken Maduro as we did?

01:11:40.280 It's fine if we took Maduro.

01:11:41.480 That's not even my big problem.

01:11:42.540 So we're all on the same page.

01:11:43.320 Let's get that.

01:11:43.820 The regime has changed over, right?

01:11:45.020 Listen, no, the regime hasn't changed over.

01:11:47.240 You're just wrong.

01:11:47.860 You keep saying that.

01:11:48.220 The leadership has changed over.

01:11:49.200 The leadership has changed.

01:11:50.360 Can I ask you, if you're so scared about Chinese aggression, would you be okay with protecting Taiwan if they were invaded by China?

01:11:56.240 Yes, because they are the closest democratic ally that we have over there.

01:12:00.940 Okay, if you're so scared of Russian aggression, are you okay with stopping Ukraine from being invaded by sending military, non-military troops, but military weapons like we are?

01:12:07.460 So this is, I love how you bring this into the chessboard in the world of economics.

01:12:12.940 I'm asking.

01:12:13.520 Because you're getting into all of our allies and stuff.

01:12:16.220 But at the end of the day, when you're talking about the Russia-Ukraine war, yes, we should support.

01:12:20.360 What support should we do in what capacity, right?

01:12:23.100 And that's where we're never all going to agree.

01:12:24.900 However, one fundamental thing is America does not create enough heavy oil to maintain the lifestyle and the strength of America without this type of oil.

01:12:34.120 So where do we get it?

01:12:36.140 Venezuela.

01:12:36.580 Venezuela, that's the argument you're making.

01:12:39.360 And actually, to your point, Adam.

01:12:40.340 This is just geopolitical truth.

01:12:42.320 We are running out of heavy oil in America.

01:12:44.560 And to your point, Adam, I think we agree we've reached a synthesis, which is you say, well, you know, the way we should do it is we should get along as we have for the past 70 years.

01:12:52.480 Well, over the last 70 years, we've intervened in Latin America like 50 times.

01:12:56.580 We've overthrown a lot of regimes, so we're going to keep on keeping on.

01:12:59.060 It's going to be great.

01:12:59.580 It doesn't work.

01:13:00.360 It doesn't work.

01:13:00.740 And they're creating alliances to create a socialistic party with Cuba and other enemies of America. 0.80

01:13:05.220 Bingo.

01:13:05.300 Cascading effects.

01:13:06.980 It's beautifully stated.

01:13:07.920 Okay.

01:13:08.140 We have to figure out who won that round.

01:13:11.840 Was it, and you raised your paddles, was it the liberal team?

01:13:17.180 You guys, we got a war.

01:13:18.560 We got tried and true blue.

01:13:20.900 Was it me?

01:13:21.880 All right, there we go.

01:13:23.640 That's good.

01:13:24.280 All right.

01:13:24.600 Now, I kind of saw that one coming.

01:13:26.220 Now, now, who won the question round?

01:13:31.140 I think it's obviously the last guy, right?

01:13:34.200 That was very thoughtful and serious.

01:13:36.520 I think, right?

01:13:37.060 Thank you.

01:13:37.740 I'm 2A daddy.

01:13:38.840 I do gun stuff.

01:13:39.740 Second Amendment.

01:13:40.540 I'll be here all year.

01:13:41.920 I live here.

01:13:42.480 Come hang out. 0.99

01:13:43.060 Let's shoot some guns. 0.97

01:13:43.960 Yeah, my man. 0.97

01:13:44.380 You guys are awesome.

01:13:45.200 Great.

01:13:46.120 I just got a new gun.

01:13:47.240 My buddy, Nick Prados, gave me a Desert Eagle.

01:13:50.340 And it's Catholic, and it's called the Excommunicator. 0.93

01:13:53.080 It's sick.

01:13:53.500 Anyway, maybe I'll have to bring that.

01:13:55.440 I'll go shooting with you for content.

01:13:56.680 That'd be fun.

01:13:57.020 Yeah, that'd be good. 0.94

01:13:58.100 Do you shoot?

01:13:58.640 Have you ever?

01:13:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:59.580 We can do it.

01:13:59.840 Wow.

01:14:00.160 All right.

01:14:00.680 Let's go, baby.

01:14:01.420 Liberals are normal people, bro.

01:14:02.400 I mean, we're just normal people.

01:14:03.260 No, some of them.

01:14:04.500 Like, a very few numbers sometimes are. 0.98

01:14:06.440 Okay, but you can also point to Republicans who fucking raided the Capitol. 0.98

01:14:09.460 I mean, people are always going to be crazy in both parties. 0.99

01:14:10.820 Yeah, those guys, they're going to come shooting with us, too.

01:14:12.440 Okay, now we turn to the VIP table.

01:14:17.080 Uh-oh.

01:14:17.580 I don't know.

01:14:18.840 Did we solve all of the world's problems or not?

01:14:21.560 Is there one more topic we have to get to to hash out?

01:14:25.240 Oh, man.

01:14:27.180 I don't know.

01:14:28.300 Ask us anything.

01:14:28.920 You don't think we solved them?

01:14:29.960 I don't think you solved them, but I don't know.

01:14:34.120 I actually don't know.

01:14:35.460 I don't know the topic.

01:14:36.600 You don't have a, you know, is there anyone, is there any suggestion?

01:14:39.720 Gregory, let's go.

01:14:40.480 I say we take on the transgender with the Supreme Court cases that they're hearing today.

01:14:47.320 We take on that transgender issue just a little bit further. 0.78

01:14:50.040 Okay, so the Supreme Court just heard oral arguments in two cases.

01:14:53.160 The libs won't let this issue die, which is great for Republicans, because if we were

01:14:57.740 going to get blown out in the midterms, this is like our absolute best hope of turning it

01:15:01.240 around.

01:15:01.920 And basically, the libs are arguing that states cannot pass laws banning boys who identify

01:15:07.420 as girls from girls' sports.

01:15:09.440 And the court heard it.

01:15:10.860 And Ketanji Jackson spoke something vaguely resembling English.

01:15:15.160 And Clarence Thomas smacked them down.

01:15:17.540 And the ACLU fumbled.

01:15:18.520 So, is there any particular angle with that?

01:15:21.280 Let's talk about our fifth place superstar, Riley Gaines.

01:15:23.660 Let's talk about trans women.

01:15:26.500 I think that's, is that, is that, you want to talk about trans women and women's sports?

01:15:31.600 Okay, cool.

01:15:32.320 I love talking about women's sports.

01:15:33.420 So, Adam, is it right, Adam?

01:15:34.740 Yeah.

01:15:35.040 Since you're effectively Bill Clinton.

01:15:37.520 I don't know what you mean by that.

01:15:38.460 Yeah, he's kind of like.

01:15:39.060 What I mean by that is like, you're the only moderate Democrat left.

01:15:44.760 There's a lot of moderates out there.

01:15:46.000 Ken, how old are you?

01:15:47.520 23. 1.00

01:15:48.520 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:15:49.100 Okay. 1.00

01:15:49.560 No, no, you're good.

01:15:50.120 What's up?

01:15:51.200 All right.

01:15:51.500 Do you think men can become women? 1.00

01:15:53.640 Can men become women? 0.99

01:15:54.940 Yeah.

01:15:55.760 You can change genders from male.

01:15:58.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:58.820 But there's a difference between, do you think there's a difference between sex and gender?

01:16:01.300 Do I think there's a difference between sex and gender?

01:16:03.140 Yeah.

01:16:03.580 Yeah, I think that there are two different terms.

01:16:05.520 So, when you go up to someone in a grocery store and you're walking up to them, do you think

01:16:08.720 scientifically they're different?

01:16:10.980 Well, gender is a sociological term. 1.00

01:16:13.660 Yeah, based on like physical appearances like hair length or other things like that.

01:16:16.820 And then sex is based on, it's not a joke. 0.98

01:16:18.700 Sex is based on your genitals, right? 0.99

01:16:21.200 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:21.700 So, can I ask you a question?

01:16:22.680 Yeah, yes, please do.

01:16:24.440 Genuinely.

01:16:25.000 No, no, for real.

01:16:25.760 I'm not joking with you.

01:16:26.620 Okay.

01:16:26.860 Okay, so if you're walking up to somebody in a grocery store and say it's a worker and

01:16:30.040 you can only see them from behind and all you see is somebody with long, luscious hair.

01:16:33.860 Yeah.

01:16:34.160 Is it Gorlock?

01:16:35.140 The devourer?

01:16:37.100 No, no, no.

01:16:37.980 Say you're walking up to somebody in a grocery store and you can only see them from behind

01:16:41.280 and you say they have long, luscious hair.

01:16:43.000 Yeah.

01:16:43.180 They have jewelry around their wrist.

01:16:44.780 Are they thick? 0.97

01:16:45.260 Do you go based on a vague assessment of social characteristics or do you check their genitals 0.56

01:16:51.760 before you check to see if they're male or female?

01:16:54.340 Before I got sober or after?

01:16:57.000 No, but you said genuinely.

01:16:58.800 Which one?

01:16:59.320 Which one?

01:17:02.120 I would assume that they were a man or a woman.

01:17:05.760 Well, based on their...

01:17:07.060 Oh, with those characteristics?

01:17:08.400 I'm saying, is it based on their genitals or do you base it on their broad characteristics

01:17:11.600 out in public?

01:17:12.040 Broad characteristics.

01:17:12.880 So, when somebody out in public has long hair or jewelry from behind, in 2026, that

01:17:18.620 could be a male or a female.

01:17:20.640 Yeah, so...

01:17:21.440 Absolutely.

01:17:22.600 So, the difference between sex and gender, as we laid out, is that sex...

01:17:25.120 No, no, hold on.

01:17:25.580 Say that again. 0.71

01:17:26.040 I'm sorry.

01:17:26.880 I'm just...

01:17:27.420 I'm saying that when you're walking up to someone in a grocery store and they have

01:17:29.840 long hair...

01:17:30.480 I got that.

01:17:31.040 ...and they have a bracelet or whatever, jewelry, they could be a man or a woman.

01:17:36.080 Yes, exactly.

01:17:37.500 Exactly.

01:17:38.080 Stop there.

01:17:39.020 Exactly.

01:17:40.300 Okay.

01:17:40.960 Stop there.

01:17:41.500 That's all you need to say.

01:17:42.360 No, no, no.

01:17:43.160 Wait, hold up.

01:17:43.520 I'm making my point.

01:17:44.080 I'm making my point.

01:17:44.840 Okay, keep going.

01:17:45.640 The point that I'm making here is...

01:17:46.820 And you're... 1.00

01:17:47.220 I don't know if you're too smart or too dumb to realize it. 1.00

01:17:49.300 I don't know. 1.00

01:17:49.840 The point that I'm trying to make here...

01:17:50.900 Maybe.

01:17:51.380 Yeah.

01:17:51.620 So, when you walk up to someone in a grocery store and you don't know what they are,

01:17:54.180 it's because you go based on social characteristics.

01:17:56.300 Yeah.

01:17:56.400 That is gender. 1.00

01:17:57.560 Gender is defined as social characteristics. 0.89

01:17:59.440 Sex are your genitals. 1.00

01:18:00.680 So, can somebody be transgender? 0.96

01:18:02.500 Can somebody who has long hair and is a male then transition to look like a female?

01:18:07.940 Yes.

01:18:08.380 Absolutely.

01:18:08.800 Yes, but come on.

01:18:09.680 Oh, yes.

01:18:10.180 No, no, no, no.

01:18:11.100 No, no, no, no.

01:18:12.220 I don't grant that.

01:18:12.920 Wait, so...

01:18:13.420 Which part do you not grant?

01:18:14.400 Wait, hold on a minute, dude.

01:18:14.520 You can pretend.

01:18:15.600 Yeah, they can pretend.

01:18:16.220 Hold on a minute.

01:18:16.840 I do not grant your premise.

01:18:19.120 Which premise? 0.96

01:18:19.740 Well, the f*** you granted all my premises and now you have a problem? 0.99

01:18:21.580 No, no, no. 0.99

01:18:22.160 Okay, let's hear it.

01:18:22.560 Because right there, you're conflating gender expression with sex.

01:18:27.080 And you're decoupling...

01:18:28.080 I'm not.

01:18:28.580 Hold on.

01:18:28.880 Explain the difference then.

01:18:29.520 What's the difference?

01:18:30.540 You're decoupling gender expression from sex.

01:18:33.260 No, 99...

01:18:33.960 And then going, you know, they can change, bro.

01:18:36.400 No, you're making my point.

01:18:37.400 99% of the time, sex and gender overlaps.

01:18:40.040 But in this 0.5% exception, people can transition, like you admitted.

01:18:43.800 Where's my fundamental axiom wrong?

01:18:48.260 Which axiom do I have wrong?

01:18:50.560 You said that you rejected my framing.

01:18:52.240 Again, you're decoupling...

01:18:55.000 How so?

01:18:56.020 By saying...

01:18:56.980 Because you're saying that a guy who...

01:18:58.200 You're not even representing...

01:18:59.040 Again, you're Bill Clinton.

01:18:59.960 You're not representing your own side to argue.

01:19:01.560 Okay, I'll represent the side.

01:19:02.820 You guys want to hear from me?

01:19:04.480 Your firmware's not updated.

01:19:05.760 Women talking about women's words. 1.00

01:19:07.240 Women talking about women's words. 1.00

01:19:07.600 This guy's shaking over there.

01:19:08.900 He's shaking in the VIP section.

01:19:10.260 No, no, no.

01:19:11.220 Hold on.

01:19:11.740 I want to hear about...

01:19:13.180 Hold on, Lauren.

01:19:13.580 Let's just finish this topic.

01:19:14.720 The point where I think you're diverging is you're saying, and therefore, this person

01:19:19.860 can transition to have a transgender.

01:19:23.260 Wait, can I ask you a question?

01:19:24.140 Yes.

01:19:24.420 Do you think somebody who has male characteristics can change themselves in such a way where

01:19:29.300 they appear to be female when you walk up to them at a grocery store? 1.00

01:19:31.680 When you say characteristics, what do you mean?

01:19:32.220 You mean...

01:19:32.580 I mean, like, long hair.

01:19:34.520 I mean, jewelry.

01:19:35.720 Superficial or, you know, sexual. 0.99

01:19:38.040 I mean, either way, it can be like tits. 0.99

01:19:39.740 It can be anything. 0.98

01:19:41.040 I can't figure out which part you're asking about.

01:19:42.960 Like, are you saying someone who, by all biological signs, is a man, but wears a dress?

01:19:48.440 Or, like, what do you mean by the characteristics?

01:19:50.040 I mean, somebody...

01:19:50.780 Both of those are characteristics.

01:19:51.440 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:51.640 Somebody who has a penis, but they have pants on, obviously, so you can't tell. 1.00

01:19:54.920 Yeah. 0.99

01:19:55.100 But then they're wearing jewelry.

01:19:56.620 They have long hair.

01:19:57.640 I mean, here's the thing.

01:19:58.360 Dude, I wish trainees tried that hard.

01:20:00.300 And so...

01:20:01.300 You can usually tell.

01:20:03.180 I thought we were talking about children.

01:20:03.720 They're not even good at it.

01:20:05.040 Do you get what I'm saying?

01:20:05.720 You're making a great point, Adam, which is...

01:20:10.200 And you're granting a wit, which is, yes, there is a distinction between sex and gender.

01:20:14.680 Of course.

01:20:15.060 Sex pertains to human nature. 0.96

01:20:17.680 Biological characteristics.

01:20:18.560 And it's expressed biologically, primarily.

01:20:20.760 And gender expression is this social performance in some ways.

01:20:26.260 But the problem is you're making an undue leap, which is you're saying, therefore, one

01:20:31.320 can transition from one to the other.

01:20:33.060 Just because these things are distinct does not, therefore, imply that they should be in

01:20:37.160 conflict with one another.

01:20:38.280 So the pro-transgender side says, well, you know, you can have, you know, gullions.

01:20:42.420 No, no, no, no.

01:20:42.720 Hold on.

01:20:43.180 You can have gullions, and you can dress like a woman, and therefore, you're really a woman 0.99

01:20:47.160 and entitled to all the rights of women.

01:20:48.420 But I guess I would say the opposite.

01:20:50.040 If you're a man who wants to put on a dress, you shouldn't. 0.99

01:20:52.920 You should bring your gender expression into line with your biology, and you should act 1.00

01:20:57.340 like a man if you're a man.

01:20:58.780 You have an obligation to do that.

01:21:00.180 I think that 99% of people's gender aligns with their sex.

01:21:05.080 I guess the question is, if we just refer...

01:21:06.600 It's true.

01:21:06.860 It's 1%.

01:21:07.540 If we just refer to women as trans women, would you guys be happier? 0.98

01:21:10.800 Is that literally the main...

01:21:11.840 No, I want them to act like who they really are.

01:21:14.800 Wait, so do you think gender dysphoria is real, according to the DSM-5?

01:21:17.360 I think people get confused, but we should treat it.

01:21:19.540 Do you think gender dysphoria is a real condition?

01:21:21.880 I want to go back to DSM-4, bro.

01:21:24.460 I want to hear from Brad Gregory.

01:21:25.580 I want to go back to DSM-4.

01:21:27.080 DSM-3 before it was school, man.

01:21:28.760 There was a conversation about women's sports and girls' t-ball, because that's what I thought

01:21:33.240 this was a Supreme Court hearing was.

01:21:34.840 It was about elementary school children's sports.

01:21:38.220 We're talking about girls and boys, which is under the age of 18.

01:21:42.220 Yeah, but boys still have an advantage.

01:21:44.100 It's less than after puberty, but they still have a physical advantage.

01:21:46.560 What's your question?

01:21:47.440 So my question is, what's the fixation around kids' t-ball?

01:21:51.520 I have not mentioned kids' t-ball.

01:21:53.820 Yeah.

01:21:54.460 Can you need that?

01:21:54.900 Can you need that?

01:21:55.120 We're not the ones who change the rules.

01:21:56.140 I have a good question about transgender sports.

01:21:58.000 Hold on.

01:21:58.240 How many times have you rung the bill?

01:21:59.560 They play...

01:22:00.160 What are your kids' t-ball?

01:22:00.620 All right, fine.

01:22:01.300 All right, we got to go.

01:22:02.100 In my opinion, no one wins a bar fight. 0.96

01:22:04.820 They're only losers.

01:22:05.560 So the real question is, who lost tonight? 0.97

01:22:09.960 The question is, who's going to buy the round?

01:22:12.960 You are.

01:22:13.560 The question is...

01:22:14.560 I think I technically did.

01:22:16.000 The question is, who is going to star in Witt's romance novel?

01:22:20.700 And so, who lost?

01:22:22.200 Was it Adam?

01:22:24.180 You guys hate...

01:22:25.560 Was it...

01:22:28.840 Lauren.

01:22:29.680 Was it Lauren?

01:22:34.280 Haters!

01:22:34.800 Was it me?

01:22:36.820 Where are you?

01:22:37.540 Come on.

01:22:37.760 You at least got to yell.

01:22:38.720 Yeah, okay.

01:22:39.220 We got one of those names.

01:22:40.180 She lost in the same way Trump lost in 2020.

01:22:44.660 We still have to do some court cases.

01:22:46.140 We still have to contradict it a bit.

01:22:48.000 Yeah.

01:22:48.500 See you at the Daily Mail HQ tomorrow with a bunch of...

01:22:51.040 And in the same way, because Venezuela maybe stole it. 0.71

01:22:53.860 I don't know.

01:22:54.160 They won't steal it again.

01:22:55.060 See you all at the next bar fight.

01:22:57.260 Thank you.

01:23:00.420 Yay! 0.99

01:23:00.740 Yay! 0.99

01:23:04.800 See you tomorrow.

01:23:06.240 Bye.

01:23:07.360 Bye.

01:23:08.140 However...

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The Michael Knowles Show - January 17, 2026

2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative： BAR FIGHT ｜ Michael Knowles, Adam Mockler, Loren Piretra

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