The Michael Knowles Show - 2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative： BAR FIGHT ｜ Michael Knowles, Brian Recker, & Ryan Basham

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00:00:48.380 It's up to you. Good luck. Have fun. Don't f*** it up.

00:00:50.700 I'm not controlling anyone. I'm just describing marriage.

00:00:54.320 I just think it's kind of f***ing stupid.

00:00:56.380 Whatever you do in your marriage is your f***ing business.

00:00:58.260 Okay, and we have no from the libs and we have yes from a married man who has a good time.

00:01:04.720 Welcome, everybody. Thank you for being here.

00:01:07.120 Welcome to Bar Fight.

00:01:09.420 Is splitting a family apart political violence?

00:01:12.140 Can I speak to that?

00:01:13.040 No. You might know him from TikTok.

00:01:15.460 Brian Recker.

00:01:16.740 No wonder there are resistance.

00:01:18.780 Okay, now hold on. I have to ask.

00:01:20.460 Oh my God.

00:01:21.200 I know you've decided that all comments that paint white man in a bad light is bad.

00:01:25.660 An advisor to Joe Biden's totally legitimate 2020 campaign, Ryan Basham.

00:01:30.860 Nashville's premier beverage-fueled brawl live at John Rich's Redneck Riviera.

00:01:43.820 The show where I, Michael Knowles, go head-to-head with two esteemed interlocutors on topics chosen by you, our most esteemed barflies.

00:01:53.760 I've never debated an advisor to an auto pen before. This should be fun.

00:01:58.220 Here, here is how it works.

00:02:00.780 We have each brought three topics to the table.

00:02:03.160 The audience chooses the topics. We will duke it out.

00:02:05.640 And then our eminently sober patrons can come up to the microphones to pick a fight with any of us.

00:02:11.400 If you want to fight me, you go to the blue microphone.

00:02:14.700 If you want to fight either of my wonderful guests, you go to the red microphone.

00:02:19.180 Gentlemen, are you ready?

00:02:20.680 Yeah.

00:02:21.060 All right, let's get started.

00:02:22.500 Ding, ding.

00:02:28.520 All right, what's everybody's first topic?

00:02:30.780 All right, topic number one for me.

00:02:33.800 You know, Christian nationalists accuse Zoran Mandani of wanting to institute Islamic Sharia law

00:02:39.660 because they are projecting their own desires for dominance onto him.

00:02:44.860 Dead silence. Next one.

00:02:46.460 That's a heady one.

00:02:47.220 I didn't actually want that one, if I'm honest. That was a producer pick.

00:02:50.980 Wow.

00:02:51.340 My first claim is the people who are most confident about gender affirming care are the mainstream medical community.

00:03:00.620 Absolutely. That's very true.

00:03:02.040 It's a factual truth.

00:03:03.400 We'll see about that.

00:03:04.160 It's not fun for some people, but it is true. 0.53

00:03:06.460 Mine is that political violence is a distinctly left-wing problem.

00:03:10.820 Oh, my God.

00:03:14.440 I love being on Earth, too. It's pretty good.

00:03:18.640 Start with something that's just blatantly not true.

00:03:20.020 Do we, I know, we have a decibel counter here to figure out which topic you all picked.

00:03:25.080 I don't know. It was a little unclear to me.

00:03:26.620 Ben, do we know which topic won?

00:03:28.440 It was hard to pick because I thought it broke because it read nothing on the first two.

00:03:31.680 So we're doing the last one.

00:03:32.760 I'm actually a little upset about that. I wanted to do the transgender one. 1.00

00:03:35.440 That's okay. We'll do mine. That's fine.

00:03:37.220 I hate that things are turning out well for you.

00:03:39.120 I know. That's brutal.

00:03:40.720 Maybe at the end. Maybe at the end we'll get it in.

00:03:42.120 Okay. Political violence is a distinctly left-wing phenomenon.

00:03:45.620 You don't have to take my word for it.

00:03:47.460 The Center for Strategic and International Studies just came out and admitted this,

00:03:51.840 that it's a left-wing phenomenon.

00:03:53.120 No less a liberal outlet than the Atlantic admitted it.

00:03:56.280 And this is based on data that systematically exclude left-wing violence.

00:04:01.360 So that's even not counting the BLM riots.

00:04:04.500 It's not counting clear left-wing ideological violence

00:04:07.120 like the Covenant School shooting that happened here in Nashville.

00:04:09.780 Transgender shooter targeted Christian children.

00:04:12.260 It's not counting the Annunciation shooting.

00:04:14.140 It's not even counting an experience that I had.

00:04:16.880 I was at the University of Pittsburgh two years ago.

00:04:19.140 I just testified before the Senate on this.

00:04:20.940 I go down to Pittsburgh, two Antifa operatives

00:04:24.020 who are members of a formal Antifa cell, the Torch Antifa Network.

00:04:27.520 They show up.

00:04:28.260 They throw an explosive at the building when I walk on stage.

00:04:31.040 They seriously injure a cop.

00:04:32.780 One of them is in federal prison for this.

00:04:34.960 Not counted on any register as left-wing violence.

00:04:37.960 So even excluding all the big left-wing violence,

00:04:40.360 nevertheless, even the liberals admit

00:04:42.500 terrorism today in America is a left-wing problem.

00:04:45.920 But what you're actually lying about from that study,

00:04:48.480 the study actually says that this year is the first time in 30 years

00:04:52.680 that left-wing violence has outpaced right-wing violence

00:04:55.140 because historically it has always been white nationalist right-wing militant violence

00:04:59.740 that has by far been the greater historic problem.

00:05:03.620 Only right now, in a moment where authoritarian fascism

00:05:06.820 is creating police states throughout the country

00:05:09.220 and Trump's secret police is going around brutalizing and kidnapping people,

00:05:13.440 are we seeing people respond with violence, which is understandable

00:05:16.740 because Trump is creating a violent society.

00:05:19.720 When you create a violent society, no wonder there are resistance.

00:05:23.980 Absolutely.

00:05:24.140 Okay, now hold on.

00:05:24.880 I have to ask.

00:05:25.660 Oh my God.

00:05:26.420 Hold on.

00:05:26.920 Hold on.

00:05:27.420 What counts as political violence?

00:05:28.960 I'm sorry.

00:05:29.400 Is splitting a family apart political violence?

00:05:32.140 Or is it only political violence when it's not masked thugs doing it?

00:05:36.200 I don't know.

00:05:36.820 It seems like political violence when a masked thug tears a family apart, Michael.

00:05:39.540 Okay, we can establish our terms, so political violence, as it's counted by even the left-wing groups,

00:05:44.980 is when the violence is conducted in furtherance of an ideological motive,

00:05:49.820 identifiable on the left or the right.

00:05:50.920 Like tearing people apart and sending them to deportation centers surrounded by alligators?

00:05:56.260 Like that kind of ideological motive?

00:05:57.780 No, enforcing immigration law is not ideological violence.

00:06:00.640 Sending people back to countries they're not even born in? 0.95

00:06:03.140 Is that ideological?

00:06:04.200 Well, they weren't born in this country and they don't belong here either, 1.00

00:06:06.300 so they're going to get out.

00:06:07.100 Oh my God.

00:06:07.740 So you guys are happy?

00:06:09.760 You just clap for people to be sent back to countries that they weren't even born in?

00:06:14.940 Y'all are telling on yourself.

00:06:15.960 As long as they're not here.

00:06:17.600 I am.

00:06:17.740 Hey, do you, I'm sorry.

00:06:18.780 Do you know those are real people you're talking about?

00:06:21.440 Yeah.

00:06:22.720 So, hold on.

00:06:23.500 You made a claim, though.

00:06:24.200 You made a claim, which is you said I lied.

00:06:26.100 But I don't, what is the lie I told?

00:06:27.240 I said that the study came out and it said that right now in America, left terrorism is on the left.

00:06:32.200 Well, you left out, but it's the first time in history that it's been hired, this year specifically.

00:06:35.380 Well, I left it out.

00:06:35.660 Leaving out the entire history of our country.

00:06:38.040 So I left that out.

00:06:39.040 That wouldn't make it a lie.

00:06:39.820 But then I think the thing you have to answer, to my point, is that the CSIS study, CSIS is a left-wing organization, even they're admitting the problems on the left now.

00:06:48.220 The federal data, all of the other studies that we have exclude most of the left-wing violence, including BLM, which left dozens of people dead, a billion dollars in property damage, including the two transgender shootings, and including the Antifa attack on me.

00:07:02.300 Dented cop cars are the violence.

00:07:03.940 You're more worried about dented cop cars than families being torn apart.

00:07:06.520 I'm just saying that it's violence, and you're changing the subject to immigration because you know that left-wing violence is the chief problem.

00:07:11.680 What I would say is that when you are militarizing cities, that the governors are saying, we actually don't need you here.

00:07:17.640 You are actually instigating violence, and Trump wants that violence.

00:07:21.680 You know why?

00:07:22.700 So that you don't pay attention to the Epstein files.

00:07:25.340 So as I understand it, my friend and interlocutor here has no answer on the left-wing terrorism problem.

00:07:31.540 So he wants to talk about immigration, he wants to talk about Jeffrey Epstein, he wants to talk about any other topic.

00:07:36.400 I repudiate political violence.

00:07:38.280 I don't believe that's the way.

00:07:39.600 Well, that's good because many left-wingers do not.

00:07:41.980 I do.

00:07:42.680 Many is not a data-driven statement.

00:07:44.340 Well, actually, so there was a study came out, YouGov, after Charlie was assassinated,

00:07:48.640 that showed that very liberal people are eight times as likely to justify political violence as very conservative people,

00:07:53.760 and 26% of young liberals are likely to justify political violence, many multiples that of young conservatives.

00:07:58.620 I think you have to take that in the context of what else is happening, though.

00:08:00.540 A couple years ago, those numbers were flipped.

00:08:01.900 I think we're in a situation right now where the outsiders are the liberals and raging against the machine.

00:08:06.580 Yeah, I mean, the vast majority of credible studies on political violence from the last 30 years have found that it's like an 85 to whatever split.

00:08:14.020 But can you address the point that I raised answering that?

00:08:16.280 Yeah, which one?

00:08:16.620 The fact that the BLM violence was not counted as ideological in virtually any of the registers,

00:08:20.980 the fact that an Antifa attack on me that resulted in federal prosecution and a guy in federal prison was not counted as left-wing political violence,

00:08:27.260 the fact that the transgender shootings are not counted as political violence, can you address that?

00:08:30.900 Because if you can, then what you're saying is the numbers were cooked for years.

00:08:34.220 Well, no, two things.

00:08:35.500 First of all, I haven't read those studies to know the detailed definition.

00:08:40.340 I know you love to do that, which is cool.

00:08:41.820 But also, we already have a data collection problem when it comes to crime anyway.

00:08:47.120 All violence is bad, but we, and by the way, some of this is enforced by federal law,

00:08:51.800 have a horrible time trying to track violence in this country.

00:08:55.100 So, often, our data is not that right.

00:08:57.800 And you know what's making it harder to track is that the department,

00:09:03.120 Trump's Department of Justice, actually removed a study following Charlie Kirk's very, very reprehensible assassination.

00:09:10.920 After that happened, they removed a study that says that right-wing violence has led to 520 deaths since 1990,

00:09:18.440 left-wing violence, only 72 deaths.

00:09:20.380 And they removed that and hit it.

00:09:23.000 It's archived.

00:09:23.600 I can send it to you.

00:09:24.360 Just DM me.

00:09:24.980 They didn't remove the study in the sense that the study still exists.

00:09:27.940 They're just pointing out, as governments are wont to do,

00:09:30.600 that new data and better data should be preferred to old data that are inaccurate and that exclude left-wing violence.

00:09:37.180 I think violence is just bad.

00:09:39.120 And I think we can all just agree on that.

00:09:41.700 But I do think we should look at why it's happening and who's instigating it.

00:09:44.820 Hold on, what do you mean why it's happening?

00:09:46.400 Is this a justification kind of?

00:09:48.080 I feel like government with a T.

00:09:49.400 What do you mean why it's happening?

00:09:50.340 What does that matter?

00:09:51.060 If the violence is coming from the left, my question is not,

00:09:53.680 well, let's figure out why they're committing all that violence.

00:09:55.820 Trump is militarizing cities and picking fights.

00:09:58.840 Governors are saying, no, thank you.

00:10:00.360 We don't need your military here.

00:10:01.560 So you're saying that because Trump is-

00:10:02.840 They're going in and creating violence.

00:10:03.540 Yes, he wants a violent society to justify all the other things it's doing.

00:10:07.480 So you're saying the right-wingers are asking for it.

00:10:09.260 You're saying Trump is enforcing immigration law and therefore the left is becoming violent.

00:10:14.080 I do not justify- no, absolutely.

00:10:16.140 I didn't say that at all.

00:10:16.920 I'm sorry.

00:10:17.400 That's what it sounded like you were saying.

00:10:18.800 No, I'm saying that when the right uses fascist authoritarian tactics,

00:10:23.460 they know what that's going to create.

00:10:25.660 What's that going to create?

00:10:26.900 People will- yeah, they're literally putting pressure on people.

00:10:29.420 The left will commit violence.

00:10:30.280 I mean, it's a pretty standard-

00:10:30.940 So that is the point that I'm at.

00:10:32.400 You're granting the premise.

00:10:33.560 Yeah.

00:10:33.720 If my home was invaded, something bad would happen.

00:10:36.700 That's a bad thing.

00:10:37.620 Yes.

00:10:37.700 So the left is committing violence at higher rates than the right,

00:10:40.360 and they're justifying it at much higher rates than the right because of Trump.

00:10:43.580 Do you think that Trump should just militarize cities

00:10:46.100 when the governors are saying we're actually totally safe here

00:10:48.260 and no need for this military here?

00:10:49.600 Well, we've had federal law for well over a century

00:10:52.580 that says that when cities fail to enforce order

00:10:54.980 that we have an insurrection act-

00:10:56.380 There's no evidence of that.

00:10:57.180 No, there is.

00:10:57.660 It's federal law.

00:10:58.400 No, no, no.

00:10:58.940 It's called the insurrection act.

00:11:00.080 It's going to be there, but the thing is,

00:11:01.060 every single one of these are instances of situations

00:11:04.460 that the local police were already trained and prepared to handle.

00:11:08.120 Were they?

00:11:08.620 I don't know.

00:11:08.920 Yes, absolutely.

00:11:09.260 Crime has exploded in these cities.

00:11:10.960 Listen, every single sheriff or police captain

00:11:13.640 that has been affected by this has tried to find a polite way to say,

00:11:16.980 no, we had it, but we're going to work with you because you're here.

00:11:19.540 Two murders a day in Chicago.

00:11:20.940 You think they have it?

00:11:21.760 You think it's just fine?

00:11:22.620 I don't think they have it.

00:11:23.280 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:11:23.800 People like to do that, but every place in America-

00:11:26.220 People in Chicago like to murder. 0.58

00:11:27.540 Yes, that's true.

00:11:28.120 Listen, every place in America is violent,

00:11:30.700 and we like to blame big cities as violent places,

00:11:33.200 but there are just more people.

00:11:34.040 It's a per capita problem.

00:11:35.440 If you're in a rural place, people still get murdered

00:11:37.320 just less often because there are fewer people.

00:11:39.020 Now, if anyone has any questions,

00:11:44.500 oh, I see the line is already very long.

00:11:46.300 Okay.

00:11:46.540 Hey, what's up?

00:11:47.820 I was just at Raising Cane's with some friends,

00:11:49.840 and they're like, oh, we need some people

00:11:51.220 that probably, like, aren't Republicans in here.

00:11:53.420 So we're in here now.

00:11:55.660 If you're a Republican, no, hey, I'm, like,

00:11:58.560 kind of way more small government leaning.

00:12:00.600 So, like, all this, like, oh, like,

00:12:02.420 what the states want and what the mayor wants.

00:12:04.620 I'm just going to do what I want

00:12:05.640 because I'm the White House is, like,

00:12:07.140 kind of psycho to me, right?

00:12:08.420 Like, that's not, that's probably not going to foster,

00:12:10.540 like, a healthy society

00:12:11.820 when you have, like, the federal government

00:12:13.580 really overstepping.

00:12:15.040 Coming from this side of things,

00:12:17.200 I'm just kind of curious,

00:12:18.680 why are you so set on making, like,

00:12:20.680 left-wing violence and right-wing violence?

00:12:22.960 Because, like, obviously,

00:12:24.240 sometimes people are psychopaths, right?

00:12:26.840 Like, we're on the same page there.

00:12:28.200 Like, there's people that, like,

00:12:29.560 oh, they grew up in a MAGA household,

00:12:31.060 and then they, like, got addicted to porn

00:12:33.240 on, like, 4chan, and they be,

00:12:35.180 you know, they go psycho,

00:12:36.500 and they kill people. 0.80

00:12:37.580 And it's so weird to watch, like,

00:12:39.220 experts be like,

00:12:40.300 was he a Republican or was he a Democrat?

00:12:42.460 So, you know, he's a psychopath.

00:12:44.280 Like, like, I, I, so I have my master's degree

00:12:47.100 in psychology, right?

00:12:48.160 That's why I don't care.

00:12:50.100 And, like, I just think it's kind of stupid,

00:12:52.700 just to be real.

00:12:53.260 Okay, I agree.

00:12:54.340 You have to.

00:12:55.760 You what?

00:12:56.260 Yeah.

00:12:57.060 So.

00:12:58.080 It's just,

00:12:58.740 it's just very reductive,

00:13:00.420 the way that we do this.

00:13:01.700 Yeah, I think that's a great point.

00:13:03.760 I think one thing that I will say

00:13:06.160 is that if we look at some of the trends

00:13:08.360 that are worth looking at,

00:13:09.780 it, there is a real white male violence problem.

00:13:13.280 Just about every time there's a shooting.

00:13:15.180 I know you, I know, look,

00:13:16.140 I know, I know you don't like,

00:13:17.420 I know you, I know you've decided

00:13:18.840 that all comments that paint white men

00:13:20.580 in a bad light is bad.

00:13:21.880 Do we have to break out the crime statistics?

00:13:24.400 Because I don't know if we want to break out

00:13:26.300 the crime statistics.

00:13:26.320 Just about every time there's a shooter,

00:13:27.620 it's like, oh, surprise, surprise.

00:13:29.440 It's another white guy who got radicalized online.

00:13:31.560 We have a radicalization problem.

00:13:33.820 You think white guys are more likely

00:13:35.820 to commit violent crime than other races? 0.97

00:13:38.560 No, I didn't say that.

00:13:40.200 In mass shooting specifically,

00:13:42.060 we have a radicalization problem with white men.

00:13:44.980 Yeah, okay.

00:13:45.760 Well, I guess one thought that I would have

00:13:47.420 in response to your question is

00:13:49.000 the reason why it matters

00:13:50.320 if they're on the left and the right,

00:13:51.440 some people are just psychotic

00:13:52.720 and you can't identify an ideological motive.

00:13:54.700 Sure, that's true.

00:13:55.540 But sometimes you can.

00:13:57.080 And it seems to me that if you want to fix a problem,

00:13:59.600 you have to first identify what the problem is.

00:14:02.420 And so if you refuse,

00:14:04.220 if you just bury your head in the sand

00:14:05.480 or if you say it's the other side,

00:14:07.440 then you're not going to solve the problem.

00:14:09.220 Next question.

00:14:10.680 Hey, so I want to speak to your analogy.

00:14:13.020 You said if in response to the ICE agents

00:14:16.900 coming into cities where the governors

00:14:19.080 are saying they don't want them,

00:14:20.580 you said if someone came into your house uninvited,

00:14:22.800 there would be consequences.

00:14:24.140 So this country is our house.

00:14:26.020 It's our home.

00:14:26.720 So how would you feel about the consequences

00:14:29.740 for the people who are here illegally and uninvited?

00:14:31.880 Great point.

00:14:32.680 You know, I was just reading about,

00:14:35.800 reading up on statistics on that today.

00:14:37.580 And some of you are going to hate this,

00:14:39.480 but it's factual.

00:14:42.740 Immigrants, including undocumented immigrants,

00:14:44.240 are less likely to commit crime

00:14:45.300 than people who were born in this country.

00:14:47.000 And statistically,

00:14:47.980 the more immigrants there are in a community,

00:14:49.620 the less crime there is in that community per capita.

00:14:51.320 Statistically, 100% of illegal immigrants 0.99

00:14:53.440 have committed a crime.

00:14:54.520 Google it, man.

00:14:55.360 It's actually true.

00:14:57.360 Yeah, it's a little complicated.

00:14:59.840 Let's be clear about it.

00:15:00.760 He just said they already committed a crime.

00:15:02.520 I want to be clear.

00:15:03.060 Being in the country,

00:15:04.300 most people who are here without papers

00:15:06.460 got here on like a tourist visa

00:15:08.100 and overstayed.

00:15:09.240 Most people who are here illegally did not. 0.99

00:15:11.000 No, not over the last four years.

00:15:12.360 Hold on.

00:15:12.700 I have a whole sentence that you're interrupting.

00:15:15.080 But to be clear,

00:15:17.060 that legally,

00:15:18.380 if all you've done is been in this country without papers,

00:15:21.420 that's legally more like a misdemeanor

00:15:23.900 closer to a parking ticket

00:15:25.280 than it is to a felony.

00:15:26.980 That's a legal fact.

00:15:28.600 So hold on.

00:15:29.280 You make a very good point,

00:15:30.720 which is that a first-time entry,

00:15:32.580 barring other conditions,

00:15:33.540 can be a misdemeanor for sure.

00:15:35.280 Reentry would be a felony.

00:15:36.760 There are other associated crimes with this.

00:15:39.080 However, I would ask one question.

00:15:41.200 Do illegal aliens pay federal taxes? 0.99

00:15:44.880 Yeah, actually, they do.

00:15:45.860 They do.

00:15:46.480 Sales tax and income tax often.

00:15:48.580 $90 billion, I believe.

00:15:49.180 Actually, the IRS has a whole system

00:15:50.520 for people who are undocumented

00:15:51.540 to file taxes.

00:15:52.620 Okay, so I'm glad.

00:15:53.740 And by the way,

00:15:54.360 economists overwhelmingly believe

00:15:55.940 that immigration, 0.84

00:15:56.780 including illegal immigration,

00:15:58.100 is a net positive.

00:15:58.840 Forget about that.

00:15:59.660 That's true.

00:15:59.860 I just have one.

00:16:00.900 Overwhelmingly.

00:16:01.300 I have one question for you.

00:16:02.720 Because if you make the point,

00:16:04.400 as you have,

00:16:05.320 that actually, you know,

00:16:06.380 illegal aliens,

00:16:07.020 even though they don't have

00:16:07.520 social security numbers,

00:16:08.440 they do pay federal taxes

00:16:09.700 because, you know,

00:16:11.080 to get employment,

00:16:12.060 sometimes they'll use

00:16:12.700 other social security numbers,

00:16:14.620 so they don't get the benefits,

00:16:16.120 but they do pay into the system.

00:16:17.820 That's a fact.

00:16:18.460 Yeah, okay.

00:16:19.160 That's a federal crime.

00:16:20.360 42 U.S. Code, Section 408.

00:16:22.300 Sure.

00:16:22.580 It's a federal crime

00:16:23.260 to steal the social security number.

00:16:24.820 So there you go.

00:16:25.460 You got it.

00:16:25.940 No, no, no.

00:16:26.380 I just want to be clear.

00:16:26.940 The IRS has a process

00:16:28.080 for people to pay taxes

00:16:29.140 without it.

00:16:29.720 Stealing the social security number,

00:16:31.420 which he just admitted is a crime.

00:16:32.700 What happens here is we money up

00:16:33.120 violent crime versus paperwork.

00:16:35.160 Okay, so now it's...

00:16:36.140 That is not the same.

00:16:37.040 It's not that they don't commit crimes.

00:16:38.140 It's that they don't commit violent crimes.

00:16:39.260 Who has not had a speeding ticket

00:16:40.500 ever in this room?

00:16:41.640 I don't know if it's quite like

00:16:42.640 a speeding ticket.

00:16:43.400 Then you guys all get to stay

00:16:44.900 and all the rest of us have to go.

00:16:45.760 A lot of good drivers out there.

00:16:46.700 Should we throw you into a prison

00:16:47.980 surrounded by alligators

00:16:49.020 because you're a speeding ticket?

00:16:50.660 Also, fun fact,

00:16:52.040 fun fact,

00:16:53.480 more than 70% of people

00:16:54.940 in ICE custody today

00:16:56.200 don't even have

00:16:57.600 an accusation of a crime,

00:16:59.200 let alone a record.

00:17:00.380 I think the accusation

00:17:01.500 is that they came

00:17:01.980 into the country illegally.

00:17:02.880 Okay, do we have

00:17:03.740 any more questions?

00:17:04.900 Okay, so when we talk about

00:17:06.300 these left-wing violence cases

00:17:07.980 and things like that,

00:17:08.780 we seem to kind of

00:17:09.940 talk around cases

00:17:11.800 and things like that

00:17:12.720 when we're talking.

00:17:15.540 All of us have been

00:17:16.560 paying attention.

00:17:17.300 We see Charlie.

00:17:17.980 We see the Brett Kavanaugh.

00:17:19.580 We see BLM violence, 1.00

00:17:22.280 all this stuff.

00:17:22.940 We all have lived

00:17:23.780 through these examples

00:17:24.640 that we've seen face-to-face,

00:17:26.300 but other than January 6

00:17:27.760 and maybe Charlottesville,

00:17:30.380 how long has that been?

00:17:31.040 That's been 10 years ago.

00:17:33.260 We kind of just

00:17:34.500 don't pay attention

00:17:36.340 to the fact that

00:17:36.820 we have all these examples

00:17:38.000 of left-wing

00:17:38.480 that we talk about

00:17:39.080 very specifically,

00:17:40.680 but when we talk about

00:17:41.860 right-wing violence,

00:17:42.840 we don't have a lot of examples.

00:17:44.300 We kind of...

00:17:44.740 No, there are.

00:17:45.200 There are a lot of examples.

00:17:46.700 We'll do it.

00:17:47.420 No, there's a difference

00:17:48.300 between what you saw on TV

00:17:49.420 because it was big

00:17:50.300 and the statistics.

00:17:51.640 It's important to

00:17:52.640 look at definitions

00:17:53.980 and what you're studying

00:17:54.820 when you define

00:17:56.280 what violence is.

00:17:58.220 It's not like

00:17:59.740 anecdotes are the same

00:18:00.860 as data.

00:18:01.540 Those are really...

00:18:02.380 Those are huge anecdotes

00:18:03.860 and it's awful and bad,

00:18:05.220 but also,

00:18:06.300 anecdotes

00:18:06.840 and your awareness of them

00:18:08.160 do not equal

00:18:09.060 the objective facts

00:18:10.360 of the data as a whole.

00:18:11.260 And then every time

00:18:11.880 we look into a right-wing one,

00:18:12.820 it's a hoax.

00:18:13.560 Yeah, hold on.

00:18:14.020 The other thing,

00:18:14.660 because so he asked,

00:18:16.020 he said,

00:18:16.440 look, you can point

00:18:16.880 to all these specific examples

00:18:18.040 of left-wing violence

00:18:19.020 and then you guys said here,

00:18:20.580 you said,

00:18:21.080 no, that's not true.

00:18:21.660 You can point to all these

00:18:22.280 ones on the right,

00:18:22.900 but then you didn't provide

00:18:23.880 any specific examples.

00:18:25.580 Because I'm not relying

00:18:26.500 on anecdotes.

00:18:27.640 The plural of anecdote

00:18:28.500 is data, by the way.

00:18:29.900 Because crime in the aggregate

00:18:31.160 is made up of

00:18:31.740 individual instances.

00:18:32.540 The plural of English

00:18:32.860 is like,

00:18:33.320 thank you for validating

00:18:34.400 my education.

00:18:34.960 Because when you pick

00:18:35.640 a specific one,

00:18:36.280 it's always a hoax.

00:18:36.700 It always brings up

00:18:37.680 a hoax.

00:18:38.180 You can't name them, though.

00:18:40.680 Name what?

00:18:41.620 He asked for specific instances.

00:18:43.380 You literally stormed

00:18:43.880 the January 6th.

00:18:44.460 He mentioned January 6th.

00:18:45.940 The only person who died

00:18:46.960 in that political violence,

00:18:47.900 by the way,

00:18:48.180 was a Trump supporter,

00:18:49.040 a military veteran,

00:18:49.800 was killed by a trigger-happy cop.

00:18:51.060 We'll put that aside

00:18:51.660 for a second.

00:18:52.240 Because they stormed

00:18:53.160 the Capitol.

00:18:54.080 Yeah, by the way,

00:18:54.780 not even the worst attack

00:18:58.600 on the Capitol, by the way,

00:18:59.840 because you had in 1915

00:19:00.960 and a Harvard professor

00:19:01.760 left-wing bombed the Capitol

00:19:03.120 over protesting capitalism.

00:19:05.760 You had Puerto Rican 0.99

00:19:06.860 nationalists in the 1950s

00:19:08.360 shoot it up,

00:19:08.880 injured five congressmen.

00:19:10.080 You had the left-wing

00:19:10.720 Weather Underground bomb it. 0.95

00:19:12.060 You had the left-wing

00:19:12.740 Maoist Liberation Front bomb it.

00:19:15.160 So five events.

00:19:17.080 Four involve explosives.

00:19:18.480 Four involve leftists.

00:19:19.640 One involves a silly

00:19:20.500 horn hat guy on the right.

00:19:21.580 Which are the serious

00:19:22.240 attacks on the Capitol?

00:19:23.600 That was a lot of words.

00:19:25.080 I don't have a list.

00:19:26.420 We've got to keep up.

00:19:27.300 I know.

00:19:27.440 We've got to come up.

00:19:28.280 Look, look, look, look.

00:19:29.680 Look, again,

00:19:30.880 you're going to have anecdotes

00:19:33.840 that support what you believe

00:19:35.160 to be true.

00:19:35.300 Are we going to have it?

00:19:35.900 You guys don't have anecdotes,

00:19:37.200 so that's to his point.

00:19:38.100 That's because this wasn't

00:19:38.360 our topic.

00:19:39.160 I don't care.

00:19:40.100 We weren't, yeah, I mean.

00:19:41.140 But that was your point.

00:19:42.460 That is the topic.

00:19:43.280 What happened in Waco?

00:19:44.260 I mean, there are plenty of people.

00:19:45.020 My point, well,

00:19:45.880 the simple point is that

00:19:46.200 When the cops went in

00:19:46.760 and murdered that cult.

00:19:47.800 You can Google this.

00:19:48.940 The data is very clear

00:19:50.220 that historically,

00:19:51.100 since 1990,

00:19:52.180 deaths,

00:19:52.640 let's just talk about deaths,

00:19:53.600 520 deaths

00:19:55.960 from right-wing militant violence,

00:19:58.680 72 deaths

00:19:59.740 from left-wing violence.

00:20:00.600 All right, it's been a lot

00:20:01.200 of time,

00:20:02.640 but no specific instances.

00:20:04.160 I think it proves

00:20:04.600 the questioner's point.

00:20:05.600 Okay, next question.

00:20:06.560 That's very specific.

00:20:08.080 I'm talking about dead bodies.

00:20:09.820 I don't know what,

00:20:10.440 like the BLM violence 0.66

00:20:11.680 you're talking about.

00:20:12.420 Are you just talking about

00:20:13.160 some property damage?

00:20:14.300 No, I'm talking about

00:20:14.840 dozens of people murdered.

00:20:15.980 I'm talking about 520 people.

00:20:17.600 But I'm giving you

00:20:18.200 a specific instance,

00:20:19.060 which is the BLM riots.

00:20:19.940 You can't point to any instance.

00:20:20.980 I don't have a list

00:20:21.900 of historical examples.

00:20:23.180 I have 520 people.

00:20:24.620 That's it?

00:20:25.060 That's it?

00:20:25.620 Okay, so two questions.

00:20:28.040 Which one of us

00:20:29.100 at this table won the round?

00:20:30.760 And then there's going to be

00:20:31.740 a follow-up question after that.

00:20:32.900 So, who here thinks

00:20:34.900 that our friend Brian

00:20:35.940 won the round?

00:20:38.580 Hey, hey, hey.

00:20:39.700 Look at this guy.

00:20:41.480 You got some out there, okay.

00:20:43.040 Who here thinks

00:20:43.960 that our friend Ryan

00:20:44.680 won the round?

00:20:45.620 Oh, all two of you.

00:20:46.940 Thank you.

00:20:47.080 We got it.

00:20:47.580 All right.

00:20:47.940 You guys, stop it.

00:20:49.180 You love this, don't you?

00:20:51.400 Who here thinks

00:20:51.980 I won the round?

00:20:53.060 Hey, come on. 0.77

00:20:54.320 Stop it.

00:20:54.940 Come on.

00:20:57.100 That was rough.

00:20:57.800 Okay.

00:20:58.320 All right.

00:20:58.720 Now, this is actually

00:21:00.060 the most heated debate

00:21:00.800 of the entire show.

00:21:01.800 Who do you think

00:21:03.140 won the question round?

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00:21:17.020 Absolutely.

00:21:17.320 Our hippie friend?

00:21:18.060 Is it?

00:21:22.300 I agree.

00:21:24.140 There's no more voting.

00:21:25.080 Mr. Hippie friend, 0.99

00:21:25.960 you are at the VIP table.

00:21:27.760 Thank you.

00:21:29.340 Oh, God.

00:21:30.280 This will be a long hour.

00:21:33.000 Now we've got...

00:21:34.280 I can't wait

00:21:35.300 until he's been drinking

00:21:36.080 a little bit

00:21:36.500 and we get more questions.

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00:23:13.000 Okay,

00:23:13.300 so let's go.

00:23:14.100 Second topics,

00:23:15.540 you begin.

00:23:15.800 All right,

00:23:15.840 I'm starting.

00:23:16.640 Okay,

00:23:17.240 Michael,

00:23:17.720 you have said

00:23:18.520 that wives 0.99

00:23:19.680 owe their husbands sex. 0.98

00:23:22.140 I have.

00:23:22.540 You call it

00:23:23.220 the marital death.

00:23:23.700 I have said yes.

00:23:24.600 I would like to propose

00:23:26.040 no,

00:23:26.780 they fucking don't.

00:23:30.280 All right,

00:23:31.080 all right.

00:23:32.260 I'm glad my wife

00:23:33.300 is not in the audience

00:23:34.120 tonight to argue against me.

00:23:35.580 That's good.

00:23:36.460 I would love to hear

00:23:37.160 her internal monologue.

00:23:39.040 We already kind of

00:23:39.940 touched on this,

00:23:40.520 but I'm going to read it anyway.

00:23:41.640 I should focus on

00:23:42.500 deporting violent criminals,

00:23:43.680 not whoever they can

00:23:44.400 get their hands on.

00:23:45.920 Okay.

00:23:46.580 My topic is

00:23:47.920 that Democrats

00:23:48.460 are entirely responsible

00:23:49.660 for that stupid 0.65

00:23:50.400 government shutdown.

00:23:52.680 Really?

00:23:54.740 You agree with that.

00:23:55.920 You want,

00:23:56.320 I actually don't,

00:23:57.260 what do we think?

00:23:57.400 Remember,

00:23:57.700 we're going to argue about it.

00:23:59.180 What do we think?

00:23:59.820 Is it?

00:24:00.560 The people have spoken.

00:24:01.960 The first one.

00:24:02.600 You want,

00:24:03.340 they're saying they want

00:24:03.940 the first one.

00:24:04.180 Let's talk about sex.

00:24:05.880 The people have spoken.

00:24:08.040 We're going to talk about sex. 0.79

00:24:09.260 Here's the thing.

00:24:10.500 It's not that I don't want you

00:24:11.980 to be,

00:24:12.340 I don't want you to be

00:24:13.980 okay?

00:24:15.400 I feel like that's fair.

00:24:17.280 So I grew up in something

00:24:18.200 called purity culture.

00:24:19.500 Very strict,

00:24:20.480 traditional gender roles. 0.98

00:24:21.800 This is what men are like. 0.89

00:24:22.980 This is what women are like. 1.00

00:24:25.120 One of the tenants

00:24:26.140 of purity culture

00:24:26.920 is that men need sex.

00:24:29.020 Men want sex. 1.00

00:24:29.960 Sex is more for men 1.00

00:24:31.300 than for women. 0.96

00:24:32.400 This creates

00:24:33.400 a lot of problems.

00:24:34.660 Here's the thing.

00:24:35.320 Everybody's actually horny.

00:24:36.800 Everybody wants to have sex. 0.56

00:24:38.300 Speak for yourself.

00:24:41.740 When you create a system

00:24:43.480 where sex is a duty 0.99

00:24:44.980 and it's obligation,

00:24:46.700 you're actually doing

00:24:47.780 a lot of things.

00:24:48.400 First of all,

00:24:49.040 you're not creating

00:24:49.540 a culture of consent.

00:24:50.600 You're creating

00:24:50.960 a culture of racism.

00:24:51.940 And you're not creating

00:24:52.620 a culture where men 0.94

00:24:53.460 actually develop the skills

00:24:54.720 which cultivate desire

00:24:56.600 in their partners.

00:24:57.900 When you have experienced sex

00:25:00.120 where the other person

00:25:01.120 deeply desires you

00:25:02.080 and wants to be there with you,

00:25:03.040 you would never talk about

00:25:04.600 any kind of marital debt

00:25:05.820 or obligation

00:25:06.680 because that robs you

00:25:09.380 of the experience

00:25:10.260 of actually being

00:25:11.100 in a mutually pleasurable

00:25:12.280 sexual experience.

00:25:13.540 And it also sets up

00:25:14.560 men and women

00:25:15.320 really for failure

00:25:16.360 with how to view

00:25:17.400 healthy relationships.

00:25:18.500 I mean,

00:25:18.800 I feel like

00:25:19.340 if you're not getting

00:25:20.220 the sex you want 0.92

00:25:20.800 in your relationship,

00:25:21.480 that's probably on you.

00:25:22.540 Like, just generally speaking.

00:25:23.900 If you want more sex,

00:25:24.540 if you're not desired,

00:25:25.780 cultivate emotional intimacy.

00:25:28.480 Get enthusiastic content.

00:25:30.440 Find out what makes

00:25:31.060 them happy.

00:25:32.060 Absolutely.

00:25:33.080 Any talk of obligation

00:25:34.320 and debt actually

00:25:35.720 is just incredibly unhealthy.

00:25:37.120 It's toxic.

00:25:37.920 Okay, so all fine points.

00:25:39.520 Now, I agree.

00:25:40.280 Sex is a privilege. 0.98

00:25:41.260 I've always said with me,

00:25:42.340 it's especially a privilege.

00:25:44.300 But...

00:25:44.600 And everyone says nothing

00:25:45.700 when he does.

00:25:46.340 Yeah.

00:25:47.200 But what we're talking about here

00:25:48.780 is not, you know,

00:25:49.800 just sort of the ideal situation

00:25:52.200 where everyone's always

00:25:53.440 in the mood all of the time.

00:25:54.600 What we're talking about

00:25:55.500 is situations where,

00:25:56.920 at the extreme case,

00:25:57.900 we're getting to the nature

00:25:58.880 of what marriage is,

00:26:00.140 do husbands and wives, 1.00

00:26:02.360 broadly speaking,

00:26:03.580 at the end of the day,

00:26:04.700 have an obligation

00:26:05.660 with some frequency

00:26:07.320 at some point

00:26:08.260 maybe to at least consider

00:26:10.000 having sex with each other?

00:26:12.640 I think you can consider...

00:26:14.140 But here's the thing.

00:26:14.760 An obligation.

00:26:15.480 Pressure...

00:26:16.040 This has been studied.

00:26:17.060 The data shows

00:26:17.780 pressure decreases desire,

00:26:20.120 decreases satisfaction

00:26:21.600 within marriage.

00:26:22.540 When you have that obligation

00:26:23.800 and pressure,

00:26:25.060 that will make your wife 0.93

00:26:26.060 less likely to want

00:26:27.120 to have sex with you. 0.99

00:26:28.020 And also less happy

00:26:29.060 in the relationship.

00:26:29.800 Okay, so let's say

00:26:30.660 you're married.

00:26:32.100 You get married.

00:26:32.880 You say,

00:26:33.140 this is great.

00:26:34.140 What a wonderful honeymoon, honey.

00:26:36.360 And then your wife

00:26:37.360 or your husband

00:26:38.260 tells you that night,

00:26:39.600 say, hey, by the way,

00:26:40.460 I should have probably

00:26:40.980 told you this beforehand.

00:26:42.100 I never, ever want

00:26:43.320 to have sex with you. 0.99

00:26:44.040 Not even one time.

00:26:44.820 You should probably

00:26:45.440 get divorced.

00:26:46.280 That sounds like

00:26:46.860 an unhealthy relationship.

00:26:48.520 Get divorced.

00:26:49.460 Yeah, but you're not

00:26:50.520 in a good match.

00:26:51.220 Okay, so there you go.

00:26:52.740 You want to be in that match?

00:26:53.500 Well, hold on, hold on.

00:26:54.100 I don't know what you...

00:26:55.040 I want to have sex 0.87

00:26:55.880 with people who want

00:26:56.480 to have sex with me. 0.97

00:26:57.120 But Brian, then you...

00:26:58.140 Call me crazy.

00:26:58.780 Brian, call me crazy.

00:27:00.040 I feel like if you get

00:27:00.620 into a marriage with somebody

00:27:01.500 and then they tell you

00:27:02.120 that after you're married,

00:27:03.040 that's...

00:27:03.360 But Brian, you've just

00:27:04.520 admitted the point.

00:27:05.380 By saying at that point

00:27:06.300 you should get divorced, 1.00

00:27:07.120 you're saying if you're

00:27:07.780 within marriage,

00:27:08.400 you have to have sex 0.99

00:27:09.080 at some point.

00:27:10.420 You've admitted it.

00:27:10.920 No, if that's what

00:27:11.380 both people...

00:27:11.840 If that's what you want.

00:27:12.860 No, no, you just said...

00:27:14.120 If you're wanting

00:27:14.140 is a sexual relationship

00:27:15.260 and you married someone

00:27:16.140 who's ace or asexual

00:27:17.860 and not interested in sex,

00:27:19.060 then you probably

00:27:19.820 don't belong to each other.

00:27:20.680 Did you say ace?

00:27:21.600 What is ace?

00:27:22.640 Asexual.

00:27:23.200 Asexual.

00:27:23.800 Asexual.

00:27:24.720 Some people don't

00:27:25.440 want that sex. 0.74

00:27:26.380 Bad for a marriage. 0.92

00:27:27.700 Yeah, some marriages

00:27:29.200 are happily sexless.

00:27:30.720 Not most.

00:27:31.480 I would say that's not normative.

00:27:32.980 But it certainly is.

00:27:33.900 Hey, whatever floats your boat.

00:27:35.020 I personally don't need

00:27:35.960 to control how other people

00:27:37.220 do their sex. 1.00

00:27:38.280 Like, they could have...

00:27:39.200 I want everybody

00:27:40.000 to have the sex 0.92

00:27:40.840 that they want to be having.

00:27:42.300 Okay, all right.

00:27:42.580 This is getting too bawdy.

00:27:43.560 I have a more basic question.

00:27:45.080 I have a more basic question.

00:27:46.220 What is marriage for?

00:27:49.100 What's, like, the point of it?

00:27:50.260 What distinguishes marriage

00:27:51.580 from other unions

00:27:52.940 like two buddies

00:27:53.740 or whatever,

00:27:54.820 boyfriend and girlfriend?

00:27:55.400 I have thoughts,

00:27:55.920 but you answer that.

00:27:57.220 Siblings, I don't know.

00:27:58.920 Intimacy, connection,

00:28:00.060 companionship, partnership.

00:28:02.260 For some people...

00:28:03.420 I'm intimate with my buddy.

00:28:04.580 I'm intimate with my cousin.

00:28:06.040 But I'm not that way.

00:28:06.960 Not that way.

00:28:07.420 I'm saying it's different

00:28:08.080 without marriage.

00:28:09.040 I'm saying it's different.

00:28:09.600 It's different.

00:28:10.720 Hey, this is beautiful.

00:28:12.140 I think coming out

00:28:12.960 is a really special moment

00:28:14.040 for everybody.

00:28:14.520 No, it's different intimacy.

00:28:15.460 It's different.

00:28:15.980 Do you want to tell your story

00:28:16.920 of when you came out, Ryan?

00:28:18.100 We can all kind of show you.

00:28:20.260 But it's different.

00:28:21.060 I am from this state,

00:28:21.680 but it did not involve my cousin.

00:28:22.560 Can I propose something?

00:28:23.820 So, I think one thing

00:28:25.120 that's really important

00:28:25.740 about the whole idea of debt

00:28:27.080 is we are giving men and women

00:28:28.800 a very bad idea

00:28:30.060 of what sex even is

00:28:31.820 and how it should be experienced.

00:28:33.860 We're letting boys think

00:28:35.240 that actually women 1.00

00:28:36.820 probably don't want to be here

00:28:38.280 and it's actually normal

00:28:39.500 to be in a sexual relationship

00:28:40.640 where the other person

00:28:41.480 is in a position of duty

00:28:42.900 rather than cultivating that desire,

00:28:45.300 which we're seeing this.

00:28:46.320 We are in a male loneliness epidemic 0.95

00:28:47.940 for a reason.

00:28:48.780 Men are not learning 1.00

00:28:49.740 relational and emotional skills.

00:28:51.900 They're not learning

00:28:52.480 how to connect with people

00:28:53.640 as people.

00:28:54.700 Okay.

00:28:55.080 Yeah, I totally agree

00:28:56.880 that people should get married

00:28:57.900 and not be lonely.

00:28:58.540 By the way,

00:28:58.800 if you have questions or comments,

00:28:59.880 go to the microphone.

00:29:00.800 I guess I'd like to propose something.

00:29:02.580 It's a little weird.

00:29:03.200 I'm not going to marry you.

00:29:04.460 I know.

00:29:05.340 Listen, I've only had half my drink.

00:29:07.520 We'll see how the night goes.

00:29:08.040 We did learn in the Epstein files today

00:29:09.680 that Trump sucked Bill Clinton's dick,

00:29:11.800 I guess.

00:29:12.240 Did you guys read that one?

00:29:13.120 What?

00:29:13.260 Anybody read that one?

00:29:14.520 Did you guys see that?

00:29:15.640 I must have missed it.

00:29:16.260 Bill, I did not make that up.

00:29:17.420 That is in the Epstein files.

00:29:18.780 Google it.

00:29:19.320 I think I missed that file.

00:29:20.520 You missed that one?

00:29:21.420 You'll see it in the morning.

00:29:22.640 I have something to propose

00:29:23.640 on the topic,

00:29:25.100 which is because I'm very old-fashioned.

00:29:26.760 So I'm of the opinion

00:29:28.020 that marriage is for having children.

00:29:31.720 I think that's what distinguishes it

00:29:33.480 from other unions.

00:29:34.760 A bunch of childless people 0.54

00:29:36.040 out here clapping.

00:29:36.660 Not everybody gets,

00:29:38.460 you know,

00:29:38.640 there's infertility and everything,

00:29:39.740 but it is a union

00:29:40.520 between a man and a woman 0.97

00:29:41.580 ordered toward the procreation 0.85

00:29:43.620 and education of children

00:29:44.540 and also for the mutual support

00:29:45.640 of the spouses.

00:29:46.420 That's what distinguishes it

00:29:47.540 from buddies or cousins

00:29:48.620 or siblings or whatever.

00:29:49.740 So then my point is,

00:29:52.360 if you don't do the thing

00:29:54.300 that distinguishes marriage

00:29:55.400 from other relationships,

00:29:56.960 you've totally undermined marriage.

00:29:58.540 And you see this in religion, obviously.

00:30:00.340 You were raised

00:30:00.940 in a religious household.

00:30:02.620 St. Paul writes

00:30:03.320 in the 1 Corinthians,

00:30:05.640 he says that, you know,

00:30:06.740 husbands should not deprive

00:30:07.760 their wives of sex 1.00

00:30:08.440 and vice versa

00:30:09.040 because they're not totally

00:30:11.000 in control of their own bodies.

00:30:12.260 We control each other's bodies.

00:30:13.300 Let me just get this point out.

00:30:14.600 And so there's a religious basis

00:30:16.440 all through Christendom,

00:30:17.560 all through religious traditions,

00:30:19.120 but there's a secular basis too.

00:30:20.900 There was a study in 2015,

00:30:22.400 University of Toronto.

00:30:23.540 It found that couples

00:30:24.800 who don't have sex 0.95

00:30:26.280 are less happy

00:30:27.700 than couples who do.

00:30:29.320 I don't know why

00:30:29.760 there's a study for that,

00:30:30.740 but there is.

00:30:31.900 It's found that couples

00:30:32.560 that don't have sex 0.99

00:30:34.200 are much more likely

00:30:34.880 to get divorced.

00:30:35.980 Couples that don't have sex

00:30:36.840 are much more likely

00:30:37.540 to use pornography,

00:30:38.360 which itself predicts divorce.

00:30:39.520 So it seems to me,

00:30:40.700 and I guess this is just

00:30:41.400 my basic claim,

00:30:42.600 that within marriage,

00:30:44.120 an essential part of it

00:30:45.700 is occasionally bumping uglies.

00:30:48.080 Is that fair?

00:30:49.720 Sure.

00:30:50.080 It's going to be different

00:30:50.860 for everybody.

00:30:52.400 But I don't think it's different.

00:30:53.620 I think marriage,

00:30:54.840 by its very nature,

00:30:56.140 involves sex.

00:30:56.700 Many people get married

00:30:57.960 later in life

00:30:58.640 and don't have children

00:30:59.500 for all kinds of reasons.

00:31:00.640 They have the sex 0.93

00:31:01.260 to me,

00:31:01.500 they've already had their children.

00:31:02.100 Not saying they have to have children,

00:31:03.180 it's just ordered

00:31:03.640 toward having children.

00:31:04.100 Some people don't want

00:31:05.580 to have children,

00:31:06.320 and they can still get married

00:31:07.240 because they want companionship

00:31:08.440 without children.

00:31:09.100 You're allowed to do that, too.

00:31:10.380 You actually don't need

00:31:11.180 to control people, Michael.

00:31:12.280 You can actually let people

00:31:13.080 live their lives.

00:31:13.600 I'm not controlling anyone.

00:31:14.640 I'm just describing marriage.

00:31:15.740 But I agree that I want people

00:31:15.940 to have the sex 0.92

00:31:16.640 that they want to have.

00:31:18.200 And because I so badly

00:31:19.420 want men to not be lonely

00:31:20.920 and want them to have

00:31:21.700 satisfying sex lives,

00:31:23.000 they should know

00:31:23.760 that gaining enthusiastic consent

00:31:25.700 and creating emotional connection

00:31:27.620 is the way,

00:31:28.880 not talking about obligation

00:31:30.220 and marital debt.

00:31:31.100 That will not work, boys.

00:31:32.920 But once again,

00:31:34.060 Can I get some ladies out here, 1.00

00:31:36.120 please?

00:31:36.980 Thank you.

00:31:37.840 Once again, though,

00:31:38.600 these things are not

00:31:39.500 pitted against each other.

00:31:40.900 It's great.

00:31:41.320 You know, couples...

00:31:41.920 They're not?

00:31:42.740 They're not pitted.

00:31:43.220 Yes, I am.

00:31:44.020 When you talk about

00:31:44.960 debt and obligation,

00:31:46.080 you actually shut down desire.

00:31:47.400 The data tells that.

00:31:48.440 If you actually read

00:31:49.220 sex researchers and sex educators...

00:31:50.560 No, I just cited a number

00:31:51.700 of sex research studies,

00:31:52.780 didn't I?

00:31:53.300 And I just pointed out

00:31:54.040 that couples that don't have sex.

00:31:54.960 You said that marriages 0.97

00:31:55.020 are healthier when they're having sex.

00:31:56.460 Yes.

00:31:56.780 But marriages that talk about

00:31:58.300 debt and obligation

00:31:59.080 have less sex,

00:31:59.900 is what I'm telling you.

00:32:00.700 The question that we're asking here...

00:32:03.100 The question that we're asking is,

00:32:04.560 does marriage necessarily involve

00:32:07.900 having sex?

00:32:09.460 That's the question.

00:32:10.800 Okay, and we have no from the libs,

00:32:12.300 and we have yes from

00:32:13.400 a married man.

00:32:15.080 It was a good time.

00:32:15.600 I want your relationship to be.

00:32:16.620 I'd say the majority do,

00:32:17.720 but why would you determine that

00:32:19.200 for another couple?

00:32:20.380 Do we have questions or comments?

00:32:21.840 I'm not going to tell you

00:32:22.040 how much I should have.

00:32:23.880 Hi.

00:32:24.480 I want to make sure

00:32:24.960 I can look you in the eye

00:32:25.540 because I want to speak to you.

00:32:26.360 Hello.

00:32:26.780 Hello.

00:32:28.100 A large part of what brought me

00:32:29.320 to this bar is this specific statement

00:32:31.500 that you've made.

00:32:33.220 This isn't exactly fun to share

00:32:35.100 to a bar full of people,

00:32:36.120 although I see that this bar

00:32:37.020 has women in it and men, 0.97

00:32:38.800 and I understand that that means

00:32:40.420 that a large number of us

00:32:41.920 in this room have unfortunately

00:32:43.860 experienced...

00:32:45.600 rape.

00:32:46.880 I'm going to be very honest

00:32:48.100 and open and look in your eyes

00:32:49.260 and tell you right now

00:32:50.380 that I'm a victim of child rape.

00:32:53.200 Rape started for me as a baby

00:32:54.760 and lasted well into my adolescence

00:32:57.740 and then through my adult life

00:32:59.400 as I now am a 31-year-old woman

00:33:01.860 who tried to reclaim my body back.

00:33:04.500 I'm going to be ultra-honest.

00:33:06.880 This is something that I'm already honest

00:33:08.180 about in my own community,

00:33:09.500 but I am a survivor of sex trafficking

00:33:11.600 that happened to me in the fifth grade.

00:33:14.120 I devoted a lot of my adolescence,

00:33:16.080 especially the 14-year-old,

00:33:17.640 as I started to learn about this,

00:33:19.260 towards fighting against girls

00:33:22.000 that were funneled and trapped

00:33:23.740 into sex trafficking.

00:33:25.400 So, a lot of my life growing up

00:33:28.980 is about really beautifully

00:33:31.880 trying to reclaim my own body

00:33:33.460 and anybody I intend to love or marry,

00:33:36.120 I should hope that if I need to lay in bed

00:33:38.520 next to them beside that night

00:33:39.960 and all I can do is hold their hand,

00:33:42.180 if that,

00:33:43.080 I should hope that they would love me enough

00:33:44.580 to give me that safety and my body,

00:33:46.600 especially my husband.

00:33:48.740 Amen.

00:33:49.800 Well, I'm terribly sorry to hear of your experience.

00:33:52.500 Thank you.

00:33:52.900 I mean, that's just awful.

00:33:53.620 And then, thank you for saying that.

00:33:55.280 And so, I guess to ask an actual question,

00:33:58.080 because I said that as a question,

00:33:59.920 hearing my experience,

00:34:01.000 because a lot of this is, you know,

00:34:02.720 we're speaking theoretical here.

00:34:04.840 I am truly a human that has endured that

00:34:07.220 and fought against that.

00:34:09.500 So, looking in my eyes,

00:34:11.860 as a woman,

00:34:13.320 when I hopefully get married someday,

00:34:16.500 when I don't want to,

00:34:17.360 if there's a night I don't want to have sex 0.92

00:34:19.020 with my husband that night,

00:34:21.560 do you think I owe that to him?

00:34:24.360 No, not at any given time, whenever.

00:34:26.820 That's not any part of the claim

00:34:28.540 or any part of the traditional Christian

00:34:30.060 understanding of marriage.

00:34:31.280 So, if there's a year,

00:34:32.180 thank you.

00:34:33.000 And so, if there's perhaps,

00:34:34.660 like, a certain time in my journey,

00:34:36.420 after I have opened myself up to a man

00:34:38.340 to trust him,

00:34:38.940 to say, hey, thank you.

00:34:39.880 I do want to share my body with you.

00:34:41.760 You're my love.

00:34:43.320 Let's say at a point in my journey,

00:34:44.440 I start struggling with my memories

00:34:45.900 that I will tell you are graphic,

00:34:47.300 are horrific.

00:34:48.040 They're difficult.

00:34:49.200 So, if there's an entire,

00:34:50.440 perhaps even five-month period

00:34:53.600 or even, God forbid, a year

00:34:55.900 that I don't feel comfortable

00:34:58.140 letting somebody into the body

00:35:00.460 that somebody has taken from me

00:35:02.360 so many times,

00:35:04.000 do I owe that to him?

00:35:06.220 No.

00:35:06.640 So, in the traditional

00:35:07.740 sort of Christian understanding

00:35:09.000 of this,

00:35:09.620 there are all sorts of circumstances

00:35:11.120 that would obviously,

00:35:12.500 you know,

00:35:13.160 mitigate what is traditionally

00:35:15.080 called the marital debt,

00:35:16.020 which would be like,

00:35:16.880 you know,

00:35:17.280 if your wife has just given birth

00:35:18.280 or something,

00:35:19.160 if, I don't know,

00:35:20.100 all the way down to a headache.

00:35:21.300 And so, obviously,

00:35:21.980 a very grave condition,

00:35:23.320 as you're describing,

00:35:24.440 some kind of trauma,

00:35:25.580 some kind of medical condition,

00:35:26.860 would, of course,

00:35:27.920 you know,

00:35:28.800 and one would hope

00:35:30.020 in a loving marriage,

00:35:31.640 would, you know,

00:35:32.540 willfully impel the husband

00:35:34.400 to recognize that.

00:35:35.700 That is, of course,

00:35:36.460 the case.

00:35:36.880 The only question

00:35:38.260 that is being debated here

00:35:39.520 is whether or not

00:35:40.880 the institution of marriage

00:35:42.820 necessarily entails sex

00:35:45.460 in itself.

00:35:47.000 Not sex every day,

00:35:48.620 not sex every two hours,

00:35:50.040 not sex when people are upset

00:35:52.140 or have difficult conditions.

00:35:53.780 Certainly not sex

00:35:54.540 when a woman has just given birth 0.96

00:35:55.440 or anything like that.

00:35:56.360 The only question,

00:35:57.360 the very modest claim

00:35:58.260 that I am shocked

00:35:59.240 that my liberal interlocutors

00:36:00.840 could not acknowledge here,

00:36:02.240 is that marriage,

00:36:04.160 at some point,

00:36:05.480 in its intrinsic nature,

00:36:08.140 involves sex.

00:36:09.220 And I think you would agree with that.

00:36:12.020 I think that,

00:36:13.020 for the most part,

00:36:13.820 that is a natural outcome

00:36:15.200 of marriage.

00:36:16.320 But I also believe

00:36:17.880 that while there's

00:36:20.820 a lot of byproducts

00:36:21.740 of marriage,

00:36:22.100 I do think that

00:36:22.560 the main point of marriage

00:36:23.640 is to join together

00:36:24.620 and love each other

00:36:25.380 and respect each other,

00:36:26.900 and especially respect

00:36:27.660 each other's dignity,

00:36:28.800 autonomy, and safety.

00:36:30.280 Certainly.

00:36:30.540 But wouldn't you say,

00:36:31.300 it's a great point,

00:36:31.960 but wouldn't you say,

00:36:32.980 beyond that,

00:36:34.820 because we were joking

00:36:35.900 about having buddies and stuff,

00:36:37.240 being intimate with buddies

00:36:38.000 or whatever,

00:36:38.500 and it's like,

00:36:39.920 we can have intimate,

00:36:41.540 safe, loving relationships

00:36:42.600 with lots of people,

00:36:43.720 with your family members,

00:36:45.300 with your neighbors,

00:36:46.200 with your teachers,

00:36:47.020 with your coworkers,

00:36:47.580 whatever.

00:36:48.220 So there has to be something

00:36:49.580 that distinguishes marriage

00:36:51.200 from all of those other kinds

00:36:52.740 of loving, intimate,

00:36:53.740 beautiful relationships.

00:36:54.900 And it seems to me

00:36:55.940 that what distinguishes it

00:36:57.020 is not going on a honeymoon,

00:36:58.480 it's not that you share a bed

00:36:59.620 or don't share a bed

00:37:00.280 like Lucy and Ricky,

00:37:01.260 it's that at some point

00:37:03.140 there's this act

00:37:04.200 that you do with your spouse

00:37:05.300 that you don't do

00:37:06.360 with your cousin

00:37:06.980 or your teacher,

00:37:07.660 hopefully.

00:37:08.360 So that's the only point

00:37:09.780 of the claim.

00:37:10.800 And once again,

00:37:12.220 I want to speak for you,

00:37:13.300 it does seem like

00:37:14.040 you agree with that.

00:37:14.960 That sex is a typical outcome 1.00

00:37:17.440 or a hopeful outcome

00:37:18.720 of marriage?

00:37:19.380 A distinctive part of it.

00:37:20.760 A distinctive,

00:37:21.180 yeah, absolutely.

00:37:22.260 Especially through

00:37:23.240 a Christian view.

00:37:24.220 Yes, you are, you know,

00:37:25.360 suggested to wait

00:37:26.900 till marriage,

00:37:27.440 all those different things.

00:37:29.380 However, I would like

00:37:30.420 to point out two points

00:37:31.280 and then I won't take up,

00:37:32.200 I won't hog this microphone.

00:37:33.560 Thank you for listening.

00:37:34.540 Thank you, all of you guys

00:37:35.640 for having the discourse.

00:37:38.360 But the two points

00:37:39.560 I guess I would,

00:37:40.200 I would like answer you on

00:37:42.020 are that if the most

00:37:43.880 desired outcome

00:37:45.000 of marriage

00:37:45.460 is having a child,

00:37:46.180 there are a lot of people

00:37:46.780 that deal with fertility issues,

00:37:47.960 both men and women.

00:37:48.840 So that doesn't negate

00:37:51.160 the validity of their marriage.

00:37:52.540 Certainly.

00:37:53.060 And then, you know,

00:37:55.020 10 years ago,

00:37:55.680 the statistic was like

00:37:56.680 one in three women 0.99

00:37:58.360 have had that trauma.

00:38:00.580 The statistic has grown much higher,

00:38:03.040 but I'd also like to point out

00:38:03.960 that men also have

00:38:05.280 a significant amount

00:38:06.020 of sexual trauma.

00:38:07.020 So you have both men

00:38:08.040 and women in marriage 0.98

00:38:08.860 that have a significant,

00:38:11.000 could possibly have

00:38:11.900 these extenuating circumstances.

00:38:13.620 Therefore, I believe

00:38:14.520 that it should have a fair,

00:38:16.480 it's a bold claim

00:38:17.480 to say that sex

00:38:18.740 is a debt to marriage

00:38:19.660 when there are so many people

00:38:20.600 in this room

00:38:21.100 that have probably,

00:38:22.600 actually,

00:38:23.100 there are probably people

00:38:23.700 in this room

00:38:24.120 that have shared

00:38:24.600 some of my experiences.

00:38:28.560 I just feel like,

00:38:30.320 you know,

00:38:31.340 this conversation is basically

00:38:32.920 the baseline is

00:38:33.720 do you have sex?

00:38:34.440 To me,

00:38:34.700 the baseline is

00:38:35.400 are you committed

00:38:36.300 to being in it

00:38:37.160 with each other,

00:38:37.700 lifelong partnership

00:38:38.400 no matter what?

00:38:39.220 And everything

00:38:39.860 y'all do together

00:38:40.760 is none of my

00:38:42.800 business.

00:38:43.860 You're in a lifelong

00:38:44.580 partnership

00:38:45.080 with your mom and dad.

00:38:46.460 No, I'm talking

00:38:47.300 a one-on-one partnership

00:38:48.460 called marriage,

00:38:49.180 which is we are

00:38:49.620 in this thing called

00:38:50.200 We share the things

00:38:53.740 that people tend

00:38:54.340 to pair together

00:38:55.340 and merge

00:38:55.860 when they're married.

00:38:56.580 What is that?

00:38:57.100 That's all very vague.

00:38:58.000 What is the marriage?

00:38:58.880 To honor her story,

00:39:00.200 you're like,

00:39:00.780 oh yeah, absolutely.

00:39:01.620 That's built in.

00:39:02.320 We do that.

00:39:02.820 But then when you start

00:39:03.960 with the language

00:39:04.500 of debt and obligation,

00:39:06.480 what you actually

00:39:07.320 have to do though

00:39:08.040 is get to know

00:39:08.760 the person in front of you

00:39:09.700 that you're in relationship

00:39:10.400 with and understand

00:39:11.280 what they need.

00:39:12.140 And the debt

00:39:13.340 and obligation language

00:39:14.280 creates a really

00:39:15.040 unhelpful framework

00:39:15.840 which actually creates

00:39:17.340 a framework where you're

00:39:18.200 not entering into connection

00:39:19.160 to actually find out

00:39:19.860 what they need.

00:39:20.280 Instead, you're thinking

00:39:20.740 about what I deserve,

00:39:22.000 that I deserve sex. 0.96

00:39:22.820 No, but you would owe it

00:39:23.640 to your spouse as well.

00:39:24.600 Your actual quote, Michael,

00:39:24.620 was that men need sex.

00:39:26.740 When you were talking,

00:39:27.600 the quote that I'm referring to,

00:39:28.740 you said men need sex 0.99

00:39:29.880 and women owe their husbands sex. 1.00

00:39:32.680 And vice versa.

00:39:33.960 But that is the purity

00:39:36.080 culture framework,

00:39:36.880 that men need sex 1.00

00:39:37.880 and women are often seen 0.99

00:39:38.800 as sex objects.

00:39:40.020 Sex object? 0.65

00:39:41.760 Who ever said

00:39:42.240 anything like that?

00:39:43.100 How long do you have?

00:39:44.120 All of history?

00:39:44.880 Yeah, literally.

00:39:46.380 Even just today,

00:39:47.580 like Megyn Kelly,

00:39:48.700 for instance,

00:39:49.400 speaking about

00:39:50.320 the female victims 0.97

00:39:51.780 and refusing,

00:39:53.220 actually reframing

00:39:54.360 and saying,

00:39:54.780 well, maybe Epstein

00:39:55.340 and if Trump is implicated,

00:39:56.740 they're not pedophiles

00:39:57.580 because these girls 1.00

00:39:58.340 were 15.

00:40:00.240 Sexualizing these girls 1.00

00:40:01.400 and saying that's not

00:40:02.460 pedophilia because

00:40:03.460 they're actually teenagers.

00:40:04.740 I think we're kind of

00:40:05.280 far afield off the topic,

00:40:06.700 which is,

00:40:06.960 does marriage involve sex?

00:40:08.720 And the answer is

00:40:09.220 obviously yes.

00:40:10.020 and women

00:40:10.460 and seeing them

00:40:11.140 as objects

00:40:11.720 is absolutely a part

00:40:12.760 of this conversation,

00:40:13.540 that men need sex 1.00

00:40:14.460 and women are sex objects. 1.00

00:40:15.960 Okay.

00:40:16.240 And that is a part of-

00:40:16.720 All right.

00:40:16.920 I don't really know

00:40:17.580 how Jeffrey Epstein

00:40:18.160 fits into this,

00:40:18.900 but I guess,

00:40:19.700 do we have any more questions?

00:40:20.400 We wouldn't want to talk

00:40:20.900 about him.

00:40:21.720 If you're arguing

00:40:23.060 the premise

00:40:23.660 that marriage,

00:40:25.160 that there's no obligation

00:40:26.280 for sex within marriage,

00:40:28.000 I'll give you a little bit

00:40:29.000 of a setup here.

00:40:31.560 Myself, personally,

00:40:32.500 I live with my soon-to-be wife

00:40:33.720 and I also live

00:40:34.620 with my best friend

00:40:35.540 and his soon-to-be wife.

00:40:36.940 Okay?

00:40:37.720 So if there's no obligation

00:40:39.640 to sex within the marriage,

00:40:42.140 how would you distinct,

00:40:43.880 how would you make

00:40:44.540 the classification

00:40:45.080 between the relationship

00:40:46.160 I have with my fiance

00:40:47.640 and the relationship

00:40:48.800 that I have

00:40:49.320 with my best friend,

00:40:50.320 especially considering

00:40:51.180 we both live

00:40:51.860 under the same roof?

00:40:52.640 Oh, that's easy.

00:40:53.940 Are you married?

00:40:55.580 But what is,

00:40:56.420 he's asking,

00:40:57.260 what does marriage mean?

00:40:58.680 And you're saying,

00:40:59.100 it's marriage.

00:40:59.720 And he's saying,

00:41:00.140 what does that mean to you?

00:41:01.080 So if you believe

00:41:02.620 that sex is an obligation, 0.98

00:41:04.400 that means you can demand

00:41:05.280 it from her.

00:41:06.040 It is a voluntary obligation

00:41:07.300 that you both sign up for

00:41:08.480 when you get married.

00:41:09.100 But if she doesn't want

00:41:10.200 to do it,

00:41:11.560 then you,

00:41:12.120 are you going to make her do it?

00:41:13.300 What's your plan here, bro?

00:41:14.540 No, absolutely not.

00:41:15.580 It goes back to the point

00:41:16.620 Michael was making earlier.

00:41:17.980 What's the plan?

00:41:18.420 It's not an any time

00:41:20.140 sort of thing,

00:41:21.020 but there is an agreement

00:41:22.620 that it will happen

00:41:23.500 at some point in time.

00:41:24.640 Okay, so you just want her

00:41:25.440 to live under that

00:41:26.220 looming pressure

00:41:26.820 that she's supposed to?

00:41:28.160 It's not a looming pressure,

00:41:29.280 it's voluntary.

00:41:29.960 If you didn't discuss

00:41:30.940 those terms before you got married.

00:41:31.460 If it's voluntary,

00:41:31.780 then take out

00:41:32.320 the obligation language.

00:41:33.380 It's not helping you.

00:41:34.180 It's not serving you.

00:41:34.800 Why did she get married 1.00

00:41:36.180 in the first place

00:41:36.800 if she never wants to have sex? 0.75

00:41:37.660 Because you love each other,

00:41:37.980 Michael,

00:41:38.380 because you want to.

00:41:39.240 Well, you love each other.

00:41:40.340 Marriage is making

00:41:42.220 a public declaration

00:41:42.960 that you're going to

00:41:43.500 share life together

00:41:44.180 and whatever you do

00:41:45.000 in your marriage

00:41:45.460 is your f***ing business. 0.77

00:41:48.420 Fellas, we're sharing life 0.73

00:41:50.220 together right now,

00:41:51.240 but we're not doing that thing.

00:41:52.040 I am not declaring to the world

00:41:53.260 that I'm making

00:41:53.680 a public partnership

00:41:54.620 for life with you

00:41:55.520 and then even discussing

00:41:57.300 what we do together.

00:41:58.140 That's not where I'm going

00:41:59.000 at all with you.

00:42:00.240 1 Corinthians 7,

00:42:01.540 the passage that you read earlier,

00:42:03.480 is absolutely about

00:42:04.540 mutuality in relationships.

00:42:05.880 It was actually

00:42:06.440 quite revolutionary

00:42:08.020 in a patriarchal society

00:42:09.320 where women were often 1.00

00:42:10.140 viewed as property to men.

00:42:11.620 That passage talks about

00:42:12.800 a mutual relationship

00:42:13.940 where you both...

00:42:15.200 Do you agree with the passage?

00:42:16.460 In what sense?

00:42:17.120 Do you agree with

00:42:17.640 what St. Paul says

00:42:18.520 in 1 Corinthians 7,

00:42:19.980 3-7?

00:42:21.460 You'd have to be

00:42:22.140 more specific than that.

00:42:22.860 The passage you just cited.

00:42:24.520 I agree that

00:42:25.340 marriage is a mutual relationship.

00:42:27.380 All right, all right.

00:42:28.200 I guess we're right.

00:42:28.860 Because that passage

00:42:29.740 says you owe each other sex. 0.68

00:42:30.980 It's freely chosen, though.

00:42:31.140 It means nothing at all.

00:42:31.800 All right.

00:42:32.560 Okay.

00:42:33.280 Now, two questions.

00:42:34.980 Two questions.

00:42:36.300 Who up here won the round?

00:42:39.120 We turn first to Brian.

00:42:41.040 Hold up the blue paddle

00:42:42.000 for Brian.

00:42:43.560 I'll take it.

00:42:44.340 We turn...

00:42:44.960 Ryan was a little quieter

00:42:45.980 in that round, but Ryan...

00:42:47.060 I've never had sex with a woman, 1.00

00:42:48.020 so I don't have much

00:42:48.740 to add to this.

00:42:50.140 But they owe you sex. 0.54

00:42:51.100 You should be demanding it.

00:42:52.060 You know what?

00:42:52.560 I'm good.

00:42:53.220 They don't owe Ryan sex.

00:42:54.940 I am firmly behind that.

00:42:56.620 And who thinks

00:42:57.100 I won the round?

00:42:58.500 Yeah!

00:43:00.040 It's kind of...

00:43:00.840 That's almost like 50-50.

00:43:02.320 I don't...

00:43:02.640 What are we...

00:43:03.580 Mr. Davies,

00:43:04.320 do we have an answer on that?

00:43:05.260 Who won it?

00:43:06.060 I think you won that round.

00:43:06.760 I won it.

00:43:07.180 I think I did win it, too.

00:43:08.100 But it was closer.

00:43:08.680 I think they pay him

00:43:09.560 to say that.

00:43:10.860 He is on staff.

00:43:11.600 I think I pay him

00:43:12.400 to say that, actually.

00:43:13.400 Okay.

00:43:13.860 Now, much more important question.

00:43:15.800 Do we have a thought

00:43:16.440 on who won?

00:43:17.060 Which of the questioners?

00:43:18.180 Well, I mean...

00:43:19.600 The lady.

00:43:20.020 I think the lady,

00:43:21.240 I would say.

00:43:21.880 Yeah, I would say the lady. 0.99

00:43:23.200 Okay.

00:43:23.820 And that's not a token vote,

00:43:25.060 like, for real.

00:43:25.740 That was good.

00:43:26.540 Yeah, it was probably the...

00:43:27.260 That was probably the only, like,

00:43:28.600 heartfelt, substantive conversation

00:43:30.040 of this entire night.

00:43:30.760 And you've had this year.

00:43:31.420 Oh.

00:43:31.900 It was great.

00:43:32.820 So you're at the VIP table.

00:43:34.040 Okay.

00:43:34.680 Round three.

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00:45:03.720 All right,

00:45:04.340 thanks to the Republicans

00:45:05.320 gutting the ACA subsidy.

00:45:07.000 Oh,

00:45:07.540 thank you for that.

00:45:11.820 You gotta work on your timing.

00:45:13.540 I didn't know

00:45:14.320 what I was going to be about.

00:45:15.740 You know the most important part

00:45:16.980 of comedy?

00:45:17.900 Timing.

00:45:19.040 Timing.

00:45:20.200 That's good.

00:45:21.440 All right,

00:45:22.220 so thanks to the Republicans

00:45:23.700 gutting the Affordable Care Act subsidies,

00:45:26.200 health care is on the brink

00:45:27.180 of being unaffordable

00:45:28.260 for millions of Americans.

00:45:29.880 It's time that the richest country

00:45:31.380 in the history of the world

00:45:32.460 guaranteed health care

00:45:33.980 for its citizens.

00:45:36.140 I mean,

00:45:36.780 the next seven richest countries do.

00:45:37.800 Yeah, the rest of you

00:45:38.300 are not interested in health care.

00:45:39.820 That's fine.

00:45:40.720 All right,

00:45:41.200 I get it.

00:45:41.940 Okay.

00:45:42.700 You know,

00:45:43.020 ironically,

00:45:44.540 health care per person

00:45:45.340 costs more here than it does

00:45:46.220 in all those other countries

00:45:47.200 that are our pure nations

00:45:48.140 that guarantee it.

00:45:49.640 Cost is cost.

00:45:50.500 All right,

00:45:50.720 what's your topic?

00:45:52.080 Red states 0.84

00:45:52.920 need to stop mooching 0.99

00:45:54.540 off of blue states

00:45:55.420 and make your own damn money.

00:45:57.060 Woo! 0.99

00:45:58.900 Mine is...

00:45:59.700 Sorry,

00:45:59.920 I just drank your...

00:46:00.620 Mine is that Trump

00:46:01.480 broke the Democrat Party.

00:46:03.440 He broke it completely.

00:46:05.120 What?

00:46:06.600 Mr. Davies?

00:46:07.420 It's tight.

00:46:08.080 This is a tight round.

00:46:09.020 I don't know if I broke

00:46:09.620 the decibel reader or what,

00:46:11.540 but I think mine won.

00:46:13.220 I actually think you won.

00:46:14.780 I don't like how this is turning out.

00:46:17.000 I'm so glad I could be here

00:46:17.760 in the middle.

00:46:18.040 I'm supposed to win everything?

00:46:18.960 Yeah, okay.

00:46:19.540 All right,

00:46:19.940 you're up.

00:46:20.340 You won.

00:46:20.620 Okay, look.

00:46:21.360 So,

00:46:22.320 fun fact,

00:46:23.500 I grew up in this state.

00:46:24.780 I now live in California.

00:46:26.600 Californians receive,

00:46:27.800 per capita,

00:46:28.460 80 cents of benefit

00:46:29.840 for every federal dollar

00:46:30.940 paid in taxes.

00:46:32.980 Tennesseans get roughly

00:46:34.500 $1.50

00:46:35.840 for every dollar spent

00:46:37.060 in federal taxes.

00:46:37.780 In other words,

00:46:39.360 California underwrites

00:46:40.700 the cost of running Tennessee

00:46:42.340 and keeping its citizens

00:46:43.440 safe, healthy,

00:46:44.180 and all that stuff.

00:46:45.060 So,

00:46:45.620 all I'm saying is,

00:46:47.320 y'all,

00:46:47.880 per capita,

00:46:48.340 need more Medicare

00:46:48.880 than we do.

00:46:49.780 We make more money

00:46:50.440 than you do.

00:46:51.060 Maybe we should try

00:46:51.780 and equal that out.

00:46:52.400 That's all I'm saying.

00:46:53.040 That's all I'm saying.

00:46:54.160 Okay,

00:46:54.620 so California

00:46:55.580 gives more money

00:46:56.960 to the federal government

00:46:57.700 than it takes in,

00:46:58.540 and that's a big blue state.

00:46:59.760 Yes,

00:47:00.100 and the inverse is true

00:47:00.760 for Tennessee.

00:47:01.320 Okay,

00:47:01.780 now let's look at

00:47:02.740 the other big blue state,

00:47:03.800 New York.

00:47:04.480 Does New York

00:47:04.980 give more money

00:47:05.760 to the federal government

00:47:06.540 than it takes,

00:47:07.100 or the opposite?

00:47:07.720 I believe it does.

00:47:08.700 I could be wrong.

00:47:09.440 It does not.

00:47:09.840 The Rockefeller Institute

00:47:10.760 just found

00:47:11.300 that New York

00:47:13.480 is a net gainer.

00:47:13.860 You must have been so much fun

00:47:14.300 in high school.

00:47:15.080 I was,

00:47:15.880 I was.

00:47:17.340 New York

00:47:18.220 receives $1.06

00:47:20.160 for every dollar

00:47:20.840 that it gives.

00:47:21.760 It's a net receiver,

00:47:23.680 and it is true generally

00:47:26.120 that depending on

00:47:26.980 which statistics

00:47:27.540 you look at,

00:47:28.440 the red states,

00:47:29.600 now we're talking,

00:47:30.460 thank you, sir.

00:47:31.440 It is true generally

00:47:32.640 that the red states

00:47:34.240 do tend to take more

00:47:35.960 than the blue states

00:47:36.820 just as states.

00:47:38.080 It's not a huge gap,

00:47:39.080 it's like a seven percentage

00:47:39.820 point gap,

00:47:40.240 but it's still noticeable

00:47:41.000 at least.

00:47:41.740 The problem is, though,

00:47:43.080 that disappears

00:47:43.860 when you look

00:47:44.720 not just at the states

00:47:45.760 because the blue states

00:47:46.600 are much more densely populated,

00:47:48.060 it's when you hone in

00:47:48.900 per capita.

00:47:49.600 That's where the numbers

00:47:50.520 start to get a little squirrely

00:47:52.020 because when you start

00:47:53.300 looking in at federal entitlements

00:47:54.780 like Medicaid,

00:47:55.540 for instance,

00:47:56.420 education entitlements,

00:47:57.940 Head Start,

00:47:58.660 when you look at defense contracts

00:48:00.260 which disproportionately

00:48:01.320 go to the blue states,

00:48:02.320 all of a sudden

00:48:03.200 you start to see

00:48:04.020 that the red states

00:48:05.040 per capita

00:48:05.700 are actually contributing

00:48:06.900 more than the blue states.

00:48:07.940 Now, it's not totally...

00:48:09.100 That's really

00:48:09.860 complicated.

00:48:10.640 It is very complicated.

00:48:11.420 I acknowledge you

00:48:11.520 for finding a way

00:48:12.040 to get there.

00:48:12.840 Yeah, it's...

00:48:13.340 Yeah, no,

00:48:13.900 well, obviously

00:48:14.700 per capita matters

00:48:15.500 because you can't

00:48:16.460 just have a state

00:48:17.040 with, like,

00:48:17.400 the most people,

00:48:17.940 the biggest,

00:48:18.260 most densely populated one

00:48:19.380 and compare it

00:48:20.240 to something

00:48:20.840 that's incomprehensible.

00:48:21.240 Yeah, I mean,

00:48:21.620 the data stands

00:48:22.140 what I said per capita.

00:48:23.200 I mean,

00:48:23.340 the aggregate outcome

00:48:24.460 is that red states

00:48:26.380 and aggregate

00:48:27.020 receive more

00:48:27.560 than they pay.

00:48:28.800 Depending on what you count

00:48:30.340 and not when,

00:48:31.100 I guess not when

00:48:31.860 you don't count

00:48:32.400 one of the biggest

00:48:33.200 blue states in the country,

00:48:34.080 New York.

00:48:34.900 I mean, look,

00:48:35.540 I'm not saying

00:48:36.260 aggregate includes

00:48:37.160 all of them.

00:48:38.480 I'm just saying

00:48:39.320 in aggregate,

00:48:40.180 blue states...

00:48:40.200 Well, aggregate

00:48:40.560 does include all of them.

00:48:42.540 That's right.

00:48:43.100 That's what I'm saying.

00:48:43.760 It's in there,

00:48:44.320 but it's still aggregate

00:48:45.180 for blue.

00:48:45.740 That's all I'm saying.

00:48:46.420 But one of the ways

00:48:48.000 that you arrive

00:48:48.540 at that number

00:48:49.100 is by not counting

00:48:50.300 certain federal subsidies.

00:48:51.280 So like defense contracts,

00:48:52.720 for instance,

00:48:53.200 is that federal welfare?

00:48:54.760 Not exactly,

00:48:55.500 but it obviously

00:48:55.980 greatly benefits

00:48:56.900 the states that it goes to.

00:48:58.120 It benefits their employment

00:48:59.080 and it largely

00:49:00.600 goes to blue states.

00:49:01.660 It depends on

00:49:02.380 which entitlements

00:49:03.040 exactly you're counting.

00:49:04.180 So if you're only counting,

00:49:05.320 say, Medicare

00:49:05.700 and Social Security,

00:49:06.740 that gives you one number.

00:49:07.720 If you look at Medicaid,

00:49:08.880 if you look at education,

00:49:10.720 if you look at early child care,

00:49:11.860 you get different numbers.

00:49:12.460 Are we looking at roads

00:49:13.660 and hospital health infrastructure

00:49:15.500 and stuff like that?

00:49:16.480 If you only look at that,

00:49:17.960 then yes,

00:49:18.400 you'll find that

00:49:19.060 the red states are takers.

00:49:19.980 So what we're doing here

00:49:20.000 is we're finding

00:49:20.620 we're trying to find

00:49:22.360 the one fine line

00:49:23.440 that makes you right.

00:49:23.860 Oh, it's not one fine line.

00:49:24.680 Medicaid is a big program.

00:49:25.960 I don't know.

00:49:26.260 Let's shift through

00:49:26.920 all the hay here.

00:49:27.720 The needle,

00:49:28.180 there you go.

00:49:28.940 You got it.

00:49:29.320 We found a way to distinguish.

00:49:30.100 No, I'm just saying

00:49:30.740 when you count everything,

00:49:32.120 the situation's

00:49:32.760 a lot more complicated.

00:49:34.040 It's always complicated.

00:49:34.860 And it's unclear which.

00:49:35.660 And you're so good

00:49:35.960 at making one-liners out of it,

00:49:37.120 which is how you have

00:49:37.880 all this money in this show.

00:49:39.700 Well done.

00:49:40.820 I want to grow up to you

00:49:41.580 just like you.

00:49:41.840 So am I a net donor

00:49:42.860 to the federal government?

00:49:43.860 There you go.

00:49:44.380 That's pretty good.

00:49:45.300 There you have it.

00:49:46.540 Okay.

00:49:47.040 I have nothing

00:49:48.000 to contribute to this,

00:49:49.080 really.

00:49:49.240 I don't really care

00:49:49.760 about this so much.

00:49:50.380 Oh my, how the tables

00:49:51.020 have turned.

00:49:51.600 I just feel like today

00:49:52.500 we found out that,

00:49:53.660 you know,

00:49:54.280 Trump is in the Epstein files

00:49:55.440 1,500 times

00:49:56.580 and those are just

00:49:57.140 the emails that were released.

00:49:58.340 I don't know

00:49:58.520 if you guys read that.

00:49:59.220 It's hard for me

00:49:59.700 to really care

00:50:00.220 about this other thing.

00:50:01.300 I got to be honest.

00:50:01.960 I kind of like

00:50:03.760 that you don't care

00:50:04.800 about Ryan's topic.

00:50:05.960 Well, no, sorry.

00:50:06.700 It's not my thing.

00:50:07.660 Listen, I look at his spreadsheet

00:50:09.260 and other people yawn.

00:50:10.260 I get it?

00:50:10.920 I love this for us.

00:50:12.100 I think we should

00:50:13.100 tax billionaires more.

00:50:14.620 I mean, that's my thing.

00:50:16.680 I don't know.

00:50:17.220 Ooh, can we talk about

00:50:18.020 how much effective income tax

00:50:19.460 can we get?

00:50:19.540 So here's what I'll say.

00:50:19.600 With the whole subsidies,

00:50:20.820 I think we have enough

00:50:22.200 and I actually support,

00:50:23.920 I actually think it's fine

00:50:25.180 that we subsidize each other.

00:50:26.440 I'm not against that.

00:50:27.520 So yeah, if the blue states

00:50:29.080 are subsidizing the red states,

00:50:30.740 cool.

00:50:31.120 If some blue states

00:50:32.020 are being subsidized

00:50:32.780 by red states, great.

00:50:33.860 If some people's healthcare

00:50:34.780 is being subsidized

00:50:35.660 by people who have a lot,

00:50:37.000 great.

00:50:37.420 Like, how about we build

00:50:38.160 a society that cares

00:50:39.060 for each other?

00:50:39.840 How about we have

00:50:40.380 more than enough?

00:50:41.200 What we have is

00:50:41.840 a distribution problem

00:50:43.360 because there is enough

00:50:44.740 for everybody.

00:50:45.500 We have so much abundance,

00:50:47.160 but the fact that we have

00:50:48.500 more hungry children

00:50:49.520 than most other

00:50:51.100 developed countries,

00:50:51.980 even though we are

00:50:52.420 the most wealthy country

00:50:53.660 in the history of the world,

00:50:54.920 that to me is a problem.

00:50:56.060 That's on us.

00:50:56.460 And so that is on us.

00:50:57.600 We have distribution problems.

00:50:59.140 The fact that we almost

00:51:00.020 cut snap for people

00:51:01.340 heading into the holidays.

00:51:02.520 Democrats cut snap.

00:51:03.760 It wasn't Republicans.

00:51:04.440 It was Democrats.

00:51:05.040 Democrats did not cut snap.

00:51:05.580 Literally, the Republicans

00:51:08.160 were holding those children hostage.

00:51:11.060 It was a choice between

00:51:12.600 children being fed

00:51:14.440 for the holidays

00:51:15.220 or people's healthcare

00:51:16.260 being flooded.

00:51:16.280 I agree.

00:51:16.680 It was terrible

00:51:17.240 when Democrats did that.

00:51:18.360 I'm glad that they conceded

00:51:19.540 after receiving nothing

00:51:20.580 in return.

00:51:21.060 I agree.

00:51:21.500 There's an emergency fund

00:51:22.360 that could have funded snap.

00:51:23.260 With you, the Democrats

00:51:24.380 caved in quite pathetically.

00:51:26.520 So if we wanted,

00:51:27.240 we could take a round

00:51:28.080 and just trash Democrats together. 0.98

00:51:29.640 I love that idea.

00:51:30.480 That sounds great.

00:51:31.380 Yeah.

00:51:32.440 Literally, absolute,

00:51:34.140 we need totally limp-wristed,

00:51:36.480 just absolute,

00:51:37.300 just completely pathetically folded,

00:51:39.860 no ability to negotiate.

00:51:42.480 I'm going to vote for you

00:51:44.260 to win this round.

00:51:45.040 That was really great.

00:51:45.940 I agree with 93%

00:51:47.500 of what you just said.

00:51:48.200 But what I will say

00:51:49.020 was that government shutdown

00:51:50.080 was absolutely because Trump

00:51:52.460 was trying to delay

00:51:53.180 the release of the Epstein files.

00:51:54.700 They did not want,

00:51:55.920 they did not.

00:51:57.200 It's so fun to sit here

00:51:58.360 and watch your faces.

00:51:59.920 It's so good.

00:52:00.740 Grijalva's appointment

00:52:02.480 was being delayed.

00:52:04.000 That's true.

00:52:04.400 And as soon as the government reopened,

00:52:07.860 she was sworn in

00:52:08.860 and they immediately voted.

00:52:10.280 Hold on, hold on.

00:52:10.600 And then we got a thousand emails,

00:52:12.260 just like that.

00:52:12.740 That is actually...

00:52:13.220 And that is absolutely why

00:52:14.440 the government was shut down.

00:52:16.320 I'm open to the theory,

00:52:18.060 but it was only Democrats

00:52:20.100 who voted to shut

00:52:20.980 the government down.

00:52:22.460 Well, yeah,

00:52:23.060 because they look at this report.

00:52:23.860 So why did they want to stop

00:52:25.320 to protect Trump?

00:52:25.560 24 million Americans

00:52:27.180 are not going to afford

00:52:28.460 their health care

00:52:29.120 going into this year.

00:52:30.840 Hello?

00:52:31.280 Is anybody else

00:52:32.280 on the Affordable Care Act

00:52:33.440 in the room?

00:52:34.140 Is it just me

00:52:34.960 that's not going to be able

00:52:36.060 to insure my kids?

00:52:36.940 That's just me?

00:52:37.920 Nobody else?

00:52:38.760 I agree.

00:52:39.160 The Affordable Care Act

00:52:40.120 was terrible too.

00:52:41.080 I agree with that also.

00:52:41.820 Literally nobody on Obamacare?

00:52:43.740 Almost 30 million Americans

00:52:45.240 are going to lose

00:52:46.060 their health care subsidies.

00:52:47.380 And we're already,

00:52:48.400 by the way,

00:52:48.780 we have more uninsured

00:52:49.840 people in this country

00:52:51.280 than any other country,

00:52:52.600 even though we spend

00:52:53.380 more on health care

00:52:54.220 than any other.

00:52:54.380 Wait, but I thought

00:52:54.800 the Affordable Care Act

00:52:55.680 was going to solve

00:52:56.280 health care once and for all

00:52:57.300 and guarantee a right

00:52:58.060 to health care

00:52:58.480 for every single American

00:52:59.480 is affordable.

00:53:00.480 Even though premiums

00:53:01.240 went up 95% in 15 years.

00:53:03.060 Affordable Care Act

00:53:03.900 was a sloppy compromise

00:53:05.080 only because conservatives

00:53:06.180 in any other country,

00:53:07.320 you know in Canada,

00:53:08.040 even the conservatives...

00:53:08.500 Only he could blame

00:53:09.180 Obamacare on conservatives.

00:53:10.560 That's amazing.

00:53:11.360 That's amazing.

00:53:11.660 It's a compromise.

00:53:12.180 Oh yeah,

00:53:12.560 a half measure

00:53:13.200 is what we could get.

00:53:14.060 Absolutely.

00:53:14.880 Any other developed country

00:53:16.580 has universal health care,

00:53:18.040 Michael.

00:53:18.200 Everybody gets it.

00:53:18.980 Okay, so what's the pullman?

00:53:19.860 Do you want everyone

00:53:20.480 to have health care or not?

00:53:21.720 Ironically.

00:53:22.120 Do you want everyone

00:53:23.160 to have health care or not?

00:53:24.140 I certainly do.

00:53:24.920 Luckily, Barack Obama

00:53:26.060 promised me that every American

00:53:27.240 has good quality,

00:53:28.100 affordable health care.

00:53:28.900 So I have to believe it.

00:53:29.900 Your way will not get us there.

00:53:31.420 It will never get us there.

00:53:32.940 Every country that has

00:53:34.120 universal health care

00:53:35.020 has it the same way.

00:53:36.140 You know we're the only weird ones?

00:53:38.040 Did you know that

00:53:38.560 the conservatives in Canada

00:53:39.880 are not trying to back away

00:53:41.220 from their government-run health care?

00:53:42.380 Do you know that

00:53:42.960 do you know that 5% of Canadians

00:53:44.560 who die each year

00:53:45.420 are killed by their government

00:53:46.580 or encouraged to commit suicide

00:53:47.940 because their health care costs

00:53:49.020 are too expensive?

00:53:49.860 I will compare our outcomes

00:53:51.280 to Canada.

00:53:52.060 We spend...

00:53:52.660 Yeah, I think we certainly should.

00:53:53.820 We will win.

00:53:54.100 Do you guys know

00:53:54.900 that we spend way more

00:53:55.880 on health care than Canada

00:53:56.740 and they have higher

00:53:57.240 life expectancies than us?

00:53:58.380 That's true.

00:53:58.680 And they have more people insured.

00:54:00.500 That's true.

00:54:00.860 They have complete coverage.

00:54:01.400 Guys, I'm glad that we brought

00:54:03.260 this to Canada and to health care

00:54:04.740 because it's much more interesting

00:54:05.860 than that stupid topic

00:54:06.780 that Ben did pick.

00:54:07.920 But if we're really going

00:54:09.840 to compare these things,

00:54:10.900 we should point out

00:54:11.560 that right now in Canada,

00:54:12.440 as in the UK,

00:54:13.720 which both have

00:54:14.240 socialist health care,

00:54:15.240 one in 10 citizens

00:54:16.460 is waiting for a medical procedure.

00:54:19.320 Look, 30 million

00:54:20.900 uninsured Americans, Michael.

00:54:23.360 And in Canada,

00:54:24.280 they're being killed

00:54:24.740 by the government.

00:54:25.580 If I require a system

00:54:27.720 that doesn't insure everybody

00:54:28.880 in order to not wait

00:54:29.880 for something,

00:54:30.960 I'm the bad guy.

00:54:32.000 But I was told by your party

00:54:33.800 that we insure everybody.

00:54:34.780 And we actually do offer

00:54:35.380 medical care to everybody.

00:54:36.220 Okay, hold on.

00:54:36.780 The bell rang.

00:54:37.720 You can get your point

00:54:38.500 in during the questions.

00:54:39.280 Here we go.

00:54:39.660 Super happy to be here.

00:54:41.360 I've seen a lot of videos

00:54:42.540 of people asking questions,

00:54:43.680 so I'm super happy

00:54:44.400 that I'm here today.

00:54:45.660 Yeah.

00:54:46.260 Love it.

00:54:47.140 Absolutely love it.

00:54:48.160 Get it.

00:54:50.240 Kind of talk about...

00:54:52.540 Oh, are you Canadian? 0.98

00:54:53.860 What's that?

00:54:54.400 You said talk about...

00:54:55.240 Are you Canadian?

00:54:56.200 I'm from Minnesota.

00:54:56.860 Oh, so close.

00:54:58.320 Oh, yeah.

00:54:59.560 Oh, yeah.

00:55:00.080 The Canada of America. 0.81

00:55:01.080 I'm the problem.

00:55:01.820 Oh, gee.

00:55:02.340 Yeah.

00:55:02.580 So talk a little bit

00:55:03.660 about New York

00:55:04.900 and how I prepare taxes

00:55:08.160 and how about...

00:55:09.560 I think after this new tax bill,

00:55:10.820 I think half the country

00:55:11.840 will not pay federal income tax.

00:55:15.020 Talk about that a little bit.

00:55:16.180 About half the country

00:55:17.040 of people who file tax returns

00:55:18.500 in this country

00:55:19.140 do not contribute.

00:55:20.900 They do not pay any federal income.

00:55:21.980 Yeah, but not 50% pay less.

00:55:24.940 It's true.

00:55:25.560 No, actually, I defy you

00:55:27.660 to go look at the effective tax rate

00:55:29.080 of rich people

00:55:29.660 versus working class people

00:55:30.480 in this country.

00:55:30.500 Do you guys know what the top...

00:55:31.580 I defy you to do it.

00:55:32.200 Forbes 400.

00:55:33.600 They did it.

00:55:34.240 The Forbes 400.

00:55:35.220 Do you know what their

00:55:35.720 effective income tax rate is?

00:55:37.100 Do you know what they're paying?

00:55:38.060 The 400 richest people in America.

00:55:40.620 Somebody guess.

00:55:41.660 You really guess.

00:55:42.560 8.2%.

00:55:43.800 Do you know what the Walton family

00:55:45.820 paid in 2024?

00:55:47.680 I wrote it down.

00:55:48.540 3.8%.

00:55:49.620 That should radicalize you.

00:55:51.540 What's the corporate tax?

00:55:52.620 That should radicalize you.

00:55:53.740 What's the corporate tax?

00:55:54.820 The Walton family

00:55:56.280 has more wealth

00:55:56.980 than 40% of Americans

00:55:57.540 Right, but it's all tied up

00:55:58.340 in the Walmart corporation.

00:55:59.500 That's his point.

00:56:00.100 But no one's answering his question.

00:56:02.060 They can buy anything

00:56:02.940 they want with that money.

00:56:03.720 But no one's answering it.

00:56:04.560 Yeah, the Waltons are very rich.

00:56:05.800 But his question was,

00:56:07.240 how come 50% of Americans

00:56:09.220 don't pay any taxes?

00:56:10.200 I think we have a really

00:56:10.860 complicated tax system for sure,

00:56:12.340 and that's a problem.

00:56:13.480 That's a problem.

00:56:14.140 I just think that we should

00:56:14.900 distribute tax burden

00:56:16.200 more fairly.

00:56:17.140 So what?

00:56:17.580 So 60% don't pay any taxes?

00:56:19.460 70% don't pay any taxes?

00:56:20.520 I don't think those correlate,

00:56:21.380 but we can play with it.

00:56:22.220 Let's go.

00:56:22.760 What would be more?

00:56:23.320 Okay, all right.

00:56:24.060 One more thing

00:56:24.820 on the Forbes 400.

00:56:25.780 I'm happy you brought that up.

00:56:27.160 If we took all,

00:56:29.020 if we confiscated

00:56:30.020 all the money

00:56:30.900 of the Forbes 400,

00:56:32.320 we would run the government

00:56:33.360 for less than one year.

00:56:35.620 That's a great point.

00:56:36.400 We do not have,

00:56:37.960 we do not have an income problem.

00:56:39.680 We have a spending problem.

00:56:40.680 The actuarial,

00:56:41.860 well,

00:56:42.240 this is important.

00:56:44.300 This is a really good point.

00:56:45.720 If you take,

00:56:46.660 the actuarial,

00:56:47.720 here's my buzzword,

00:56:48.700 actuarial evaluation

00:56:51.140 of the federal government

00:56:51.940 in a year's term

00:56:53.580 is not a useful measure.

00:56:56.280 The federal government's finances

00:56:57.620 really need to be looked at

00:56:58.780 over decades at a time.

00:57:00.080 It's not as if,

00:57:00.920 snap your finger,

00:57:01.900 all these people's money

00:57:02.780 for one year

00:57:03.380 can't run the government.

00:57:04.400 That's not how financing

00:57:05.920 the most complicated organization

00:57:08.080 in the history of Earth works.

00:57:10.060 It's just,

00:57:10.540 it's a good soundbite,

00:57:11.620 but it doesn't match

00:57:12.860 how complicated

00:57:13.440 the situation is.

00:57:14.240 It's very complicated.

00:57:15.420 That's why he won't

00:57:16.320 give you an answer.

00:57:16.880 I'm so cool in the heart, you guys.

00:57:17.720 Love me.

00:57:18.900 If we start anywhere,

00:57:19.920 we should start

00:57:20.480 with the $160 billion

00:57:22.100 in taxes

00:57:23.140 that the top 1%

00:57:24.140 already owes

00:57:25.040 that they haven't even paid.

00:57:26.480 Yeah, we should.

00:57:26.980 That's fun.

00:57:27.480 We should absolutely

00:57:28.360 get those taxes.

00:57:29.600 The people who,

00:57:30.280 most of the people

00:57:30.880 at the IRS

00:57:31.480 who got fired by Doge

00:57:32.980 are the people

00:57:33.460 who deal with

00:57:34.000 the complicated rich people

00:57:35.160 tax problems

00:57:36.000 where they dodge taxes.

00:57:37.400 We didn't get rid

00:57:38.020 of the people

00:57:38.360 who audit everyday people.

00:57:40.120 We got rid of the people 0.98

00:57:40.780 who deal with wealth tax.

00:57:41.900 $160 billion,

00:57:43.040 which would pay for,

00:57:43.900 I think, what,

00:57:44.500 1 15th of the Green New Deal? 0.80

00:57:46.560 That'd be great.

00:57:46.880 We almost defunded.

00:57:48.060 Snap was $120 billion,

00:57:50.140 and people were complaining

00:57:51.400 that that was

00:57:52.160 too expensive.

00:57:53.340 If we just get...

00:57:54.380 The only people

00:57:55.700 who shut down Snap

00:57:57.240 were the Democrats.

00:57:58.780 I just want to keep

00:57:59.420 reminding you of that.

00:57:59.960 Only because they didn't want

00:58:01.200 you to gut our health care.

00:58:02.840 The federal...

00:58:03.500 Look, the executive has...

00:58:05.500 The president has

00:58:06.260 a discretionary fund,

00:58:07.120 an emergency fund

00:58:07.720 that could have filled

00:58:08.540 the entire responsibility

00:58:10.260 of Snap

00:58:10.780 for the month in question.

00:58:11.920 The government shut down...

00:58:12.620 The Democrats' government shutdown

00:58:14.280 was the longest in history.

00:58:15.660 It went so long

00:58:16.540 that they had to go get

00:58:17.300 private funding

00:58:17.900 to pay the United States military.

00:58:19.540 There was not discretionary money

00:58:20.900 sitting around.

00:58:21.620 The Democrats could have

00:58:22.440 re-evented it whenever they wanted,

00:58:23.320 and they finally did.

00:58:24.220 The courts were telling him

00:58:25.240 to fund it,

00:58:25.780 and he was literally arguing

00:58:26.860 with them so that he could

00:58:28.020 hold those children.

00:58:28.960 The shutdown occurred in Congress,

00:58:31.080 not in the executive branch.

00:58:32.120 But you're talking about

00:58:32.900 Snap specifically.

00:58:34.500 Government spending this big,

00:58:36.160 Snap this big,

00:58:37.260 there was this much,

00:58:38.420 and then some money available

00:58:39.460 he could have put to it,

00:58:40.480 he just didn't.

00:58:41.120 That's just a fact.

00:58:42.540 He's not a king or a dictator,

00:58:44.600 as you guys like to say.

00:58:45.560 He actually has to listen

00:58:47.080 to Congress on government funding.

00:58:48.580 And they gave him

00:58:49.440 an emergency fund

00:58:50.440 for things like this,

00:58:51.560 which he could have used

00:58:52.380 and he didn't.

00:58:52.880 Yes, after 41 days

00:58:54.020 of a government shutdown,

00:58:55.060 it's difficult to make

00:58:56.120 the money out of thin air.

00:58:56.960 But I'm glad that

00:58:57.680 eight Democrats

00:58:58.260 came to their senses,

00:58:59.600 gave Snap benefits

00:59:00.400 back to their constituents.

00:59:01.660 Are you glad that

00:59:02.440 30 million Americans

00:59:03.520 are going to lose

00:59:04.180 their health insurance?

00:59:05.620 I agree.

00:59:06.140 Obamacare has been a disaster.

00:59:07.060 I will say,

00:59:07.680 you said that you wanted

00:59:08.320 everybody to have health insurance.

00:59:09.480 I can relate to this.

00:59:10.440 My emergency fund is...

00:59:11.820 Hold on, gentlemen.

00:59:13.040 We know that people

00:59:13.700 are going to die, right?

00:59:14.960 They estimate that

00:59:16.000 about 50,000 people

00:59:17.420 will die because of the loss.

00:59:17.760 I voted against Obama.

00:59:18.900 I hated that stupid

00:59:19.700 health care law.

00:59:20.400 I still hate it today.

00:59:21.300 Keep going.

00:59:21.680 That's just statistics.

00:59:22.480 Okay, so you guys

00:59:23.440 brought up health care.

00:59:24.820 I'm going to go down

00:59:25.500 that route.

00:59:26.940 I've lived in a country,

00:59:28.540 but I was American,

00:59:29.500 of course,

00:59:30.520 that had affordable health care.

00:59:33.120 Do you know how long

00:59:34.840 you have to wait

00:59:35.760 for affordable health care

00:59:37.920 to actually go through?

00:59:40.140 I'm just curious.

00:59:40.700 Where were you?

00:59:41.340 I was in Germany.

00:59:42.280 Okay.

00:59:42.640 Yeah, I mean, look,

00:59:43.260 I'm not saying that

00:59:44.120 universal health care

00:59:44.940 is flawless,

00:59:46.020 but I'm also saying

00:59:46.860 our system isn't flawless.

00:59:47.660 People die on weight loss,

00:59:48.760 is what he's saying.

00:59:49.460 Let me be clear.

00:59:50.280 Sure, I would be thrilled

00:59:51.880 if we could get out

00:59:53.840 a spreadsheet

00:59:54.380 and compare the outcomes

00:59:55.940 of health care

00:59:58.000 in Germany versus the US.

00:59:58.800 They live longer there.

00:59:59.940 Spoiler alert,

01:00:00.820 they live longer there.

01:00:01.840 That's true.

01:00:03.140 That's true.

01:00:03.980 We can look it up.

01:00:04.740 They spend less per person

01:00:05.740 and overall,

01:00:06.580 they have better outcomes.

01:00:07.160 They live longer.

01:00:07.660 Sorry, you had a bad experience,

01:00:09.340 but other people

01:00:10.060 are glad they're alive.

01:00:11.460 So thank you for your sacrifice

01:00:12.720 that you had to wait a few weeks.

01:00:13.400 And you know what also

01:00:13.980 doesn't happen in Germany

01:00:14.740 is nobody ever goes bankrupt

01:00:15.760 because of their medical bills.

01:00:16.560 It's true.

01:00:16.940 What about Canada

01:00:17.960 or the other countries

01:00:19.260 and those kind of roads

01:00:20.420 that you have

01:00:21.140 that affordable health care

01:00:22.160 that you're talking about?

01:00:22.180 Hold on, hold on.

01:00:22.800 What's the question?

01:00:23.600 Or what's the point?

01:00:24.100 What about places like Canada

01:00:25.440 that have that affordable health care

01:00:26.960 that you're talking about

01:00:27.820 that are also,

01:00:28.880 I forgot a while ago,

01:00:29.980 are looking into suicidal options

01:00:32.400 for people

01:00:33.000 because they don't want to

01:00:34.200 pay for your health care.

01:00:36.140 That's a, that's a...

01:00:37.400 What?

01:00:37.840 That's a, that's a fear check.

01:00:39.040 I'll tell you what he's referring to.

01:00:40.780 I'll tell you what he's referring to.

01:00:41.560 No, they do have

01:00:41.900 physician-assisted suicide.

01:00:43.080 Is that what you're talking about?

01:00:43.880 It certainly is.

01:00:44.520 No, it's the death panels thing

01:00:45.700 where it's the fear-mongering.

01:00:46.320 No, no, it's physician-assisted suicide.

01:00:48.240 No, but no,

01:00:48.840 the suggestion is that

01:00:49.900 they're going to encourage you

01:00:50.740 to kill yourself. 0.65

01:00:51.380 They do.

01:00:51.980 Yeah, the medical...

01:00:52.860 That is fear-mongering.

01:00:54.160 That is an absolute...

01:00:55.180 They literally...

01:00:55.600 You know what sucks about that lie

01:00:56.860 is that it kind of trivializes

01:00:58.260 real mental health shit

01:00:59.320 by making it a topic.

01:01:00.400 We already have government-provided health care.

01:01:02.520 It works great.

01:01:03.260 People love Medicare.

01:01:04.240 It's very popular.

01:01:05.120 Don't change the subject.

01:01:05.700 It's very efficient.

01:01:06.140 Don't change the subject.

01:01:06.540 We're talking about

01:01:07.040 physician-assisted suicide in Canada.

01:01:08.560 That's the question that he brought up.

01:01:09.300 We're not talking about that.

01:01:10.260 That's what he brought up.

01:01:11.040 That's what he brought up.

01:01:11.060 That's not a thing.

01:01:12.240 The questioner

01:01:12.920 who we're supposed to be responding to.

01:01:14.180 We don't need to talk about that.

01:01:14.460 But you don't want to respond to it

01:01:15.780 because what is happening in Canada right now...

01:01:17.340 Because it's a myth that...

01:01:18.140 It's not a myth.

01:01:18.640 Go ahead.

01:01:18.900 4.7% of Canadians...

01:01:20.580 4.7% of Canadians who die

01:01:23.140 are killed by physician-assisted suicide.

01:01:25.620 By the way, it's not just the elderly,

01:01:27.600 though we shouldn't be killing them either.

01:01:29.160 But in Canada,

01:01:29.940 because of socialist medicine,

01:01:31.580 women who are over the age of 80,

01:01:34.180 60% of them, for instance,

01:01:35.620 who have breast cancer,

01:01:36.360 need surgeries,

01:01:37.220 do not get the surgeries.

01:01:38.280 90% of the women who are 50 and under

01:01:40.320 do get the surgeries.

01:01:41.480 Let me finish my point.

01:01:42.540 They do get the surgeries

01:01:43.340 because the government

01:01:44.040 is necessarily rationing care.

01:01:46.000 And they say,

01:01:46.660 give it to the younger women, 1.00

01:01:47.720 let the older women die. 1.00

01:01:48.740 They've now taken this to an extreme

01:01:50.200 where they encourage

01:01:51.160 physician-assisted suicide.

01:01:52.600 And by the way,

01:01:53.040 that's not just for the elderly

01:01:54.040 because 40 to 50% of it

01:01:55.680 is for people who are under 75,

01:01:57.460 people who suffer depression,

01:01:58.680 anxiety.

01:01:59.180 Instead of treating them with compassion,

01:02:00.720 the government goes in and says,

01:02:01.700 well, you better off this.

01:02:02.000 Michael, you are well aware

01:02:03.180 that this is an absolute fear-tactic myth

01:02:05.520 that conservatives pedal out

01:02:06.980 in order to fear-monger

01:02:08.040 about socialist health care.

01:02:09.560 You can look up all those numbers.

01:02:10.680 I've had socialist health care

01:02:12.000 and anybody who has served this country

01:02:13.440 has had it.

01:02:14.420 Anybody been on TRICARE before?

01:02:16.500 Hoorah.

01:02:17.100 I was a Marine.

01:02:18.520 And when I...

01:02:19.120 Oh, it was incredible.

01:02:19.940 What are you talking about?

01:02:21.000 You are crazy.

01:02:22.580 Everything was fully covered.

01:02:23.720 Do the military vets in the room 1.00

01:02:25.180 like the VA?

01:02:26.300 Is the VA the model of health care

01:02:27.900 that we want?

01:02:28.460 I'm a Roth Blue Shield 0.63

01:02:29.280 over TRICARE?

01:02:31.160 You are absolutely insane.

01:02:33.700 I want to...

01:02:34.120 My health care was incredible

01:02:35.460 when I was in the room.

01:02:36.040 All right, we got...

01:02:37.180 I won't disagree with anybody

01:02:37.900 who feels like our system is flawed.

01:02:39.940 Okay?

01:02:40.280 It's definitely flawed.

01:02:41.740 That's not a disagreement

01:02:42.640 I have with you.

01:02:43.400 It is.

01:02:43.660 I'm just saying,

01:02:44.400 I'm just saying,

01:02:45.100 it's flawed everywhere.

01:02:46.120 The difference is

01:02:47.120 more of us

01:02:48.480 are not covered

01:02:50.180 when in other countries they are.

01:02:50.300 What I would also like to say

01:02:51.480 is that if we're talking about Canada,

01:02:53.360 it should be done.

01:02:53.800 Any of these countries

01:02:54.800 that have universal health care,

01:02:56.020 Canada, UK, Germany,

01:02:57.520 the conservatives

01:02:58.280 in those countries

01:02:59.360 are not trying to

01:03:00.940 get rid of it.

01:03:02.040 It's very popular.

01:03:03.120 They're just coming to America 1.00

01:03:03.960 for their medical procedures.

01:03:05.180 What's the next question?

01:03:06.400 In our country,

01:03:07.740 what is seen as a left position

01:03:09.940 in any other country

01:03:11.020 would be a very moderate position.

01:03:13.080 Yeah, so to say

01:03:14.400 that our health care system

01:03:15.880 is flawed

01:03:16.560 is such an understatement.

01:03:18.580 Absolutely.

01:03:19.260 Have you seen

01:03:19.800 a freaking commercial

01:03:21.000 about drugs lately?

01:03:23.100 How in the hell

01:03:23.960 am I

01:03:25.000 as a self-employed man

01:03:27.580 supposed to get insurance

01:03:29.940 for me and my family

01:03:31.540 when it's $400 for an aspirin

01:03:34.920 at a hospital?

01:03:36.140 Agreed.

01:03:36.620 We're the only country

01:03:37.460 When the insurance companies

01:03:39.340 and the medical community

01:03:41.660 are so tied up,

01:03:44.820 it's all about big governments,

01:03:46.440 it's all about the money.

01:03:47.520 We are the first,

01:03:48.400 we're the only first world country

01:03:49.900 where the pharmaceutical companies

01:03:51.240 take the lead on pricing drugs.

01:03:53.780 Yeah, we also provide

01:03:54.680 the most efficient care.

01:03:55.620 Look, I acknowledge

01:03:56.880 the system in America

01:03:57.800 is terrible

01:03:58.240 because let's not forget

01:03:59.420 we are currently operating

01:04:00.540 under the Barack Obama

01:04:01.520 health care system

01:04:02.480 which is passed in 2010.

01:04:04.340 Quit bringing that up.

01:04:05.380 But it's still,

01:04:05.980 I'll give one thing to Obama,

01:04:07.780 it is still better

01:04:08.700 than these other countries

01:04:09.600 because in America

01:04:10.440 it's very difficult

01:04:11.180 to find the numbers

01:04:12.100 but according to

01:04:12.880 the Commonwealth survey,

01:04:13.840 4%...

01:04:13.960 You think it's better

01:04:14.480 that one in three Americans

01:04:15.720 have medical debt

01:04:16.680 that 30 million Americans

01:04:18.560 are uninsured?

01:04:19.420 You think that's better?

01:04:20.300 I think it's definitely better

01:04:21.900 than for instance...

01:04:22.040 Other countries don't even know

01:04:23.000 what medical debt is,

01:04:23.920 by the way.

01:04:24.380 When you bring it up to them

01:04:25.120 they'll look at you

01:04:25.660 like you got a penis 0.99

01:04:26.720 coming out of your forehead.

01:04:27.700 They're like,

01:04:27.960 what's wrong with you?

01:04:28.620 People look at me like that

01:04:29.420 for other reasons.

01:04:29.940 I think medical debt

01:04:31.500 is very bad

01:04:32.120 and our current

01:04:32.640 Obamacare system

01:04:33.500 is very bad

01:04:34.140 but I do think

01:04:34.920 it's better than

01:04:35.560 dying while waiting

01:04:36.480 on waiting lists

01:04:37.360 like in the socialist...

01:04:38.520 People are dying

01:04:39.340 for lack of health care.

01:04:40.940 Yeah, it's easy

01:04:41.540 that Americans

01:04:42.220 don't have health care.

01:04:43.000 It is easier

01:04:44.120 to take a camera

01:04:44.800 and find somebody

01:04:45.480 who has a complaint

01:04:46.000 about how long

01:04:46.380 they waited for something.

01:04:47.400 Hold on,

01:04:47.840 I'll let you know

01:04:48.300 I'm done.

01:04:49.320 But there are

01:04:50.780 so many more...

01:04:52.020 This is raw numbers.

01:04:53.060 There are so many

01:04:53.560 more Americans

01:04:54.160 who wouldn't even

01:04:54.880 find that camera

01:04:55.580 because they never

01:04:56.180 got health care.

01:04:56.960 We can go find

01:04:58.280 somebody in Canada

01:04:59.360 who complains

01:04:59.900 about the wait

01:05:00.360 but there are

01:05:01.180 proportionally

01:05:02.020 way more Americans

01:05:03.020 who never even

01:05:03.680 get to get in line.

01:05:03.820 So that is true.

01:05:04.560 There's a number

01:05:05.080 actually that we can

01:05:06.000 look to and it's

01:05:06.480 the Commonwealth Survey

01:05:07.200 which looks at Canada,

01:05:08.240 the UK, Norway

01:05:09.000 and the United States

01:05:09.820 and it found that

01:05:10.700 in the United States

01:05:11.580 only 4% of people

01:05:13.500 have to wait

01:05:14.280 for extensive periods

01:05:15.160 of time.

01:05:15.840 A fraction of a fraction

01:05:17.000 of the wait times

01:05:17.540 and all those other countries.

01:05:18.180 They don't have

01:05:19.400 insurance, Michael.

01:05:20.380 That's rigging the numbers

01:05:21.360 because there's not

01:05:22.280 going to be a lot of

01:05:22.880 wait if a lot of

01:05:23.860 people don't get to

01:05:24.540 get in line.

01:05:25.520 It's easy to rig

01:05:26.500 those numbers.

01:05:27.100 There's not going

01:05:27.500 to be a longer wait

01:05:28.120 if you're people

01:05:28.640 are in line.

01:05:28.720 Hold on, you're saying

01:05:28.780 that the Commonwealth

01:05:29.340 Survey has rigged

01:05:30.060 numbers?

01:05:30.840 No, I'm saying

01:05:31.380 your general statement

01:05:32.360 which is that somehow...

01:05:33.120 I'm just citing a survey.

01:05:34.120 Sure, sure, sure.

01:05:34.880 A major study.

01:05:35.500 Right, and the point

01:05:36.100 you're trying to make

01:05:36.640 is that the wait

01:05:37.180 is longer therefore bad.

01:05:38.460 What I'm saying

01:05:38.900 is the wait...

01:05:39.280 Much longer.

01:05:39.440 For many more people.

01:05:41.000 The main difference

01:05:41.840 between...

01:05:42.480 Not for many more people.

01:05:43.640 That's the wrong...

01:05:44.480 No, no, no.

01:05:44.660 That is...

01:05:45.160 That's what it is

01:05:45.880 because...

01:05:46.260 That's what I said.

01:05:46.840 I said...

01:05:47.160 I'm telling you

01:05:47.800 you're wrong. 0.83

01:05:48.640 Right, but I'm just

01:05:49.340 citing the Commonwealth

01:05:50.020 Survey.

01:05:50.380 Sure, sure.

01:05:50.740 You compare a society

01:05:52.140 where the choice is

01:05:53.020 everybody's insured

01:05:54.540 who waits.

01:05:55.580 We are a society

01:05:56.520 where a portion

01:05:57.400 of society gets

01:05:58.080 to get in line

01:05:58.620 and the other portion

01:05:59.360 doesn't at all.

01:06:00.300 So would you say...

01:06:01.260 So that's apples and oranges.

01:06:02.160 Would you say

01:06:02.820 that in the United States

01:06:03.720 today if you want

01:06:05.180 health care

01:06:06.020 you cannot receive it?

01:06:08.420 I would...

01:06:09.140 No, actually, no.

01:06:10.080 If you go...

01:06:10.580 There we go.

01:06:12.240 Hold on, hold on.

01:06:13.040 Let him answer the question.

01:06:14.840 I'm happy to follow that up.

01:06:16.960 Actually, pretty much

01:06:18.120 every hospital in America

01:06:18.940 is required to treat

01:06:19.660 anybody who comes in

01:06:20.320 regardless of ability

01:06:20.980 to pay.

01:06:21.300 For emergencies?

01:06:21.700 But here's the thing.

01:06:22.760 Here's the thing about that.

01:06:23.960 That dynamic specifically

01:06:25.340 is why we as Americans

01:06:27.140 pay more per capita

01:06:28.160 for health care

01:06:28.600 because a person

01:06:29.940 is more expensive

01:06:30.680 for their emergency treatment

01:06:31.780 that the government

01:06:32.260 later has to cover

01:06:32.980 than if we had just

01:06:33.860 given them insurance

01:06:34.560 in the first place.

01:06:35.280 So people could go

01:06:36.040 to the doctor.

01:06:37.180 Listen, the main difference

01:06:38.220 between our health care

01:06:39.640 and other countries is that in our country, there's a middleman called health insurance

01:06:43.860 companies that rake in $71 billion in profits. And all they do, they don't provide health care.

01:06:49.640 They deny health care. They are a middleman that extracts, making it more complicated.

01:06:54.720 They stand between us and the doctors. No other country deals with that. That's our broken system.

01:07:00.620 I feel like I'm back in 2009 before we were supposed to have fixed all of that.

01:07:04.320 Okay. No, you didn't let the conservatives stop that. The only thing that would fix this

01:07:08.560 is Medicare for all. That's fine. Yes. Hey there. Brian, super happy to have this debate with you

01:07:15.880 guys. I actually missed this about our country. Just having spirited debate. We can disagree and

01:07:20.260 have fun. I found myself. I'm wasted. I'm a Republican. I found myself agreeing with some

01:07:25.600 of the points you guys made. So thank you for being here. My question is around raising the

01:07:29.360 corporate tax rate. That's a common Democrat talking point. When we look at the Kamala campaign,

01:07:35.720 a microcosmic example of government overspending, right? You give her a billion dollars. She goes 1.00

01:07:41.200 $20 million in debt. How can you defend the idea of giving politicians, non-business operators more

01:07:47.160 and more money and somehow that'll solve the government's problems? Well, I'm not saying

01:07:52.060 that the government is perfect at money spending. I think what we're talking about here is that every

01:07:57.100 other first world nation gets more tax out of their corporations than we do. So all I'm saying,

01:08:01.920 all I'm saying is the revenues are higher here and we somehow get less of it. That's all.

01:08:07.700 That's all. Next question. And if we weren't, and if we were getting as much out of our corporations

01:08:12.360 here as they are in Ireland, we would have a better funded government. I always, I turn to our

01:08:17.160 friend at the VIP table. To me, he is more reliable than the bell. I would love for you to interject

01:08:21.480 with a non sequitur. All right. That's the end of round three. Now, folks, we need to know who won.

01:08:26.320 I don't even know what that round was about. I don't. Mr. Davies picked some stupid topic. And then

01:08:31.900 we ended up talking about health care, Jeffrey Epstein. I just want to agree that we haven't

01:08:36.200 talked about Epstein enough, in my opinion. And we haven't talked about him nearly enough.

01:08:40.300 Who wants us to talk about Epstein more? Maybe the next round. Everybody line up who has a thought

01:08:45.440 about Epstein. Okay. Now there's a question. Who won that round? Whatever that round was. Was it

01:08:52.900 Ryan? This guy. Was it, it was, technically it was Ryan's topic. It was it Ryan?

01:09:03.340 Was it me? It's about, it's like 30, 33, 33, 34. What do we, what do we think?

01:09:11.580 I think you got the round. Thank you, everybody. I think Michael Knowles got the round.

01:09:14.320 What a shock. Hold on. I want a recount. I don't want it to seem like it was the 2020 election

01:09:20.520 and completely rigged. I want to know, what is, it was, who here, who here thinks it was

01:09:25.540 Brian? See, that's, well, who here thinks it was Ryan? Oh, you guys go on. Who here thinks

01:09:38.400 it was me? I kind of want to give it to Ryan just cause, but what do you think? Let's do it

01:09:44.860 just cause. All right. Ryan's got it. Ryan got it. Hey. I've always wanted to win on a

01:09:50.480 technicality. Okay. That's great. Okay. Now a much more important decision. Who won the

01:09:55.760 VIP? There was no one. Oh, there are wrong answers. I don't know. That was, there's no

01:09:58.960 clear winner to me. They were all interesting. I like the guy with the beard. The guy with

01:10:02.360 the beard. He had a lot of, the older men, the older gentleman. You think it was, oh, the

01:10:05.360 older gentleman. Yes. Where was the, from Minnesota? Oh, the Minnesota guy. Wait, no, hold on.

01:10:11.040 Wait, where was the older? All right. That's fine. I think, I feel like he should get it

01:10:14.100 just cause of his accent. Yeah, it was good. How about with that? Oh, yeah. How about

01:10:17.500 with that? Okay. Well, he won there. Yeah, yeah. You are going to the VIP table. Thank

01:10:22.800 you. Copy and Bars over there in the VIP for you there. Hey, yeah, of course. Thanks,

01:10:25.480 man. What's up, bro? Okay. I hope it's okay that I'm standing now. This chair and I don't

01:10:29.560 get along. Yeah, I know. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, did you start standing? I feel

01:10:31.560 unsafe. It was already weird and then somehow it just got lower. I feel like it's my last

01:10:35.600 relationship. Now, since you're at the VIP table, my dear friends who are

01:10:41.020 over there, did we solve the world's problems or is there something else that we need to

01:10:45.900 hash out before we turn the music back on and all go get another drink? You know, I'm hesitant

01:10:51.820 to say this because I feel that it's going to elicit a big bellow of booze. A bellow of

01:10:57.160 booze. I, in fact, do want a big bellow of booze. I am astonished. I don't want to, I don't

01:11:03.520 want to be like clipped into whatever. So honestly, I don't really want to sit against

01:11:07.060 people. Too late. Too late. It's too late. This is the wrong show. But I am astonished

01:11:11.940 at the amount of booze around or considering the Epstein thing being considered a deflection

01:11:18.240 point when I think that, like, even in my walk over here, so many of you who have been

01:11:23.220 booing at the Epstein things also shook my hand and thanked me for sharing my story of

01:11:27.120 surviving trafficking. And I also feel that the, that this current administration and the

01:11:31.860 platform ran so much on exposing the Epstein files and saying that really anybody that was

01:11:37.160 suppressing the files probably had something to gain from suppressing them. So my thought

01:11:41.340 is, I don't feel that it's been fully addressed. I feel that it's like a lot of this is a lot

01:11:45.960 of deflection from the Epstein files. Let's just ask Michael, Michael, do you think Trump

01:11:49.680 should release the Epstein files? And do you think that everybody exposed as a pedophile in

01:11:53.440 those files should be imprisoned, potentially impeached? Yes. Democrat or Republican?

01:11:57.860 Yeah, I think, look, I'm obviously, I'm all for maximal transparency that doesn't like,

01:12:03.700 you know, compromise national security or whatever. Hedging coming in three, two.

01:12:05.860 No, obviously, you can't like, you can't just release it. No, I'm so I'm all for a lot of

01:12:09.580 transparency, especially on that issue. We always say national security though, right? Like

01:12:13.020 every time it's like, let's get transparency, then it's like national security. And so you know

01:12:17.260 that that's always the card. Every single time the military industrial plays every time. National

01:12:21.800 security. So it's a great point because I'm all for, you know, releasing, especially because

01:12:27.340 it's an issue of public interest. We have already released like a ton of the Epstein files, but I'm

01:12:32.460 all for getting more so long as it doesn't incriminate innocent people, which, you know,

01:12:36.940 can be unfortunate. Like there were, there were accusations that were made by some of the supposed

01:12:40.920 Epstein victims that were later retracted by those supposed victims. So you can't, you know,

01:12:44.700 you can't have the government defaming people. It's a dicey topic to go over victim claims though.

01:12:48.420 That's, that's dangerous. No, but in the case of like Virginia Giuffre, she personally retracted some

01:12:52.600 of her claims against people. So in that case, you wouldn't want people to be defamed when even

01:12:57.000 the, the, uh, uh, you know, accuser is retracted. When people are getting killed and death threats

01:13:03.220 are going out. That makes sense. But multiple victims have accused Trump there. And I just think

01:13:09.800 the Trump thing is ridiculous. The Trump thing is ridiculous. If you hadn't campaigned on it,

01:13:12.400 like it wasn't a problem for him. That's the, he invited that attention. The Trump thing is ridiculous.

01:13:16.200 If, if Trump were seriously implicated in the Epstein files, I promise you the party that was in power

01:13:21.160 that tried to prosecute him four times, that tried to kick him off the ballot, that raided his home

01:13:25.400 and that justified killing him would have released the information. I promise you that.

01:13:28.840 You don't think he knew what was going on? You promise? I promise. Okay. I can't wait for the,

01:13:33.620 they tried, they justified killing him. Have you read what came out today?

01:13:37.480 Have you read what came out today? I haven't read all of the, you know, dossiers. I feel like

01:13:41.780 just as a political analyst, like it looks bad to be hiding it now. I'm not saying he's guilty of

01:13:47.380 anything. I'm just saying it's a party foul politically to like have this thing. I'm not

01:13:51.700 giving you all the information. It looks bad. The whole admin campaigned on releasing all the files

01:13:55.940 and they did release a ton of files. And we haven't, as we mentioned, some are released today. So

01:14:00.740 obviously they did do that. I guess my, obviously they did do what? Released a ton of files. Okay.

01:14:05.220 That's the same as releasing all the files. Literally the, literally the slogan is release all the files

01:14:10.020 and he has not done that. They've released some emails today. Right. But I guess, I guess the emails,

01:14:14.180 by the way, said that Trump knew about the girl. I guess then my question though, is if you were

01:14:18.180 to release accusations that are unsubstantiated, that haven't been followed up with prosecutions,

01:14:23.060 some of which have been retracted, certainly that would be massive prosecutorial misconduct.

01:14:26.820 Oh yeah, I agree. No party would do that. Yeah. I agree with that generally,

01:14:29.780 but I think if you're the president, if you're the leader of the free world and you've made a thing

01:14:32.660 about it and then, then you defame innocent people. I don't know. That's crazy.

01:14:37.140 I feel like I'm all for more transparency if you can get it.

01:14:39.860 Stacey Williams said that Trump and Epstein gripped her while smiling at each other like

01:14:44.100 a twisted game. Okay. All right. This over here with the bell. Okay.

01:14:49.060 Shut up. Time to go now. It's okay. Do we do a, I don't even, do we do a, who won that round?

01:14:55.220 I don't even know. Was that a round? No, no, no. Does that count? I don't know if that counts.

01:14:58.180 All right. Where are we? But he's voting for me anyway. Thank you. I appreciate that.

01:15:01.540 This guy right here is having a great time. I appreciate that. And so is the guy behind him.

01:15:03.860 Now, folks, in my opinion, nobody wins a bar fight. There are only losers. So we're not going

01:15:10.020 to vote for the winner. Okay. We're going to vote for who lost. Wow. This is going to feel great.

01:15:16.020 This is an audience vote. I want to go home.

01:15:16.980 This is an audience vote. Not before the vote. First up, who here thinks that Brian lost?

01:15:28.020 What's the inverse of a sympathy vote?

01:15:29.620 Yeah. An antipathy vote. Who here thinks that Ryan lost?

01:15:37.860 I don't think yet. You think he lost more than Brian? Maybe.

01:15:40.500 Who are you, my ex? Who here thinks that I lost?

01:15:42.340 My mother. Woo! 1.00

01:15:45.860 That was kind of even. I don't know. I don't know. Who do we think it was?

01:15:49.380 Should we try it again? Who here thinks that our hippie friend won?

01:15:57.620 Yeah. Nobody knows what happened, but you talked.

01:15:59.860 All right. Thank you so much for being here. It's absolutely wonderful.

01:16:03.300 And I say that our hippie friend buys the next round. Thank you very much for being here. See you next time.

01:16:08.500 Bye.

01:16:14.740 I'll see you next time.

01:16:16.740 Bye.

01:16:18.740 Bye.

01:16:20.740 Bye.

01:16:22.740 Bye.

01:16:24.740 Bye.

01:16:26.740 Bye.

01:16:28.740 Bye.

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01:16:32.740 Bye.

The Michael Knowles Show - November 17, 2025

2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative： BAR FIGHT ｜ Michael Knowles, Brian Recker, & Ryan Basham

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