The Michael Knowles Show - 2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative： BAR FIGHT

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00:01:21.220 You're a despicable person.

00:01:22.880 No, I thought...

00:01:23.660 I'm sick and tired of you.

00:01:25.120 Let me finish.

00:01:25.860 You had a monologue already.

00:01:27.380 I tell people that Michael Knowles is my internet dad.

00:01:29.780 Stop it.

00:01:30.520 We've got a bar full of people.

00:01:32.020 And you want us to debate HOAs.

00:01:33.960 Because this is America!

00:01:40.220 Welcome to Bar Fight.

00:01:43.220 Tonight I'm joined by two libs.

00:01:45.300 That's my case.

00:01:46.540 I think it's a pretty good one.

00:01:47.600 My first guest, that is Zina Ikeme.

00:01:50.740 You've been calling me a lib this whole time.

00:01:52.320 I hate to break it to you.

00:01:53.380 It might be a little bit worse than that.

00:01:55.960 Uh-oh.

00:01:56.400 Just be consistent.

00:01:57.180 I've been very consistent.

00:01:57.860 Luke gets to finish his point.

00:01:58.820 I think this bell is rigged.

00:01:59.960 My second guest is one of the top names in online liberal commentary today.

00:02:04.680 Luke Beasley.

00:02:12.080 Here is how it works.

00:02:13.480 We have each brought three topics to the table.

00:02:15.640 The audience chooses the topics.

00:02:17.600 If the bell rings, we'll duke it out for that round.

00:02:20.440 And then our highly sober patrons can come up to the microphone.

00:02:24.060 Why are they laughing already?

00:02:25.340 How long have they been in?

00:02:26.820 They can go up to the microphones to pick a fight with any of us.

00:02:29.540 If you want to fight me, you go to the blue microphone.

00:02:33.680 It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, but that's what you have to do.

00:02:36.020 If you want to fight either of my wonderful guests, you go to the red microphone.

00:02:40.620 But do not wait because there is a time limit to each round.

00:02:44.340 We have over here, for the asker of the best question, a magnificent VIP table where you can have some delicious John Rich Redneck Riviera bourbon.

00:02:55.600 And I think we have some Mayflower cigars.

00:02:58.600 I don't, you know, there's always...

00:03:00.060 There are all these dumb rules in American cities where you can't, like, smoke indoors anymore or whatever.

00:03:08.100 But anyway, I won't pay attention.

00:03:10.020 Lady, gentlemen, are you ready?

00:03:13.340 Ready.

00:03:14.180 It's round one!

00:03:20.560 Now we read the potential topics.

00:03:25.720 Ladies first.

00:03:26.760 Look at this liberal man who's going to cut off the lady.

00:03:31.980 Come on, Luke, what are you doing?

00:03:34.900 Take it away.

00:03:36.140 Zena, what's your topic?

00:03:37.160 My first topic is that Donald Trump is a sexual predator.

00:03:41.760 True.

00:03:43.980 Pretty simple.

00:03:45.360 Who cheers for that?

00:03:46.560 That's crazy behavior.

00:03:48.200 Luke, if the Epstein files were released, actually released, not whatever the heck he's doing now,

00:03:53.900 Trump's presidency would be destroyed.

00:03:59.500 It started out with crickets, but okay.

00:04:02.160 My claim is that libs are ruining Thanksgiving and they need to cut it out.

00:04:13.260 I actually wanted to talk about the other topics, but Mr. Davies, do we know which topic?

00:04:17.500 My ear's still ringing from this side.

00:04:19.300 I think Thanksgiving won this round.

00:04:20.700 Okay, Thanksgiving, it's too bad.

00:04:22.420 I want, maybe in a bonus round or something, we can get back to one of those.

00:04:25.760 Okay.

00:04:26.520 It's very, very frustrating.

00:04:28.220 We've all seen it anecdotally.

00:04:29.980 The libs want to pick fights at Thanksgiving.

00:04:32.220 Sometimes they don't want to show up to Thanksgiving.

00:04:34.060 And sometimes they want to disinvite you from Thanksgiving.

00:04:36.320 This is backed up by empirical data.

00:04:39.000 There's a study came out, I think it was Deseret News, said that 40% of Kamala voters would disown a family member over politics.

00:04:46.880 That is compared to only 11% of Trump voters.

00:04:49.660 Then there was a survey from the American Enterprise Institute showed that 23% of very liberal respondents have, in fact, disowned family over political views,

00:04:59.080 compared to just 9% of very conservative respondents.

00:05:02.660 There was one final number comes out of, I think it was the Skeptic Research Center, said that liberals across all ages are more likely than conservatives,

00:05:11.260 much more likely, actually, to disown friends and family over politics.

00:05:15.480 And I think that's mean and nasty and wrong.

00:05:18.260 And I, listen, if I'm willing to have Thanksgiving with my liberal relatives, they should have Thanksgiving with me.

00:05:23.900 Do you disagree?

00:05:25.100 Interesting.

00:05:26.960 I would say I definitely disagree, Michael.

00:05:28.840 And I think it's because libs have a lot more to disown family members about.

00:05:32.960 I mean, when we look at what the president is doing at our borders, as well as how we're treating, you know, immigrants in this country,

00:05:39.460 I think it's pretty clear that, you know, there's something humane and immoral that's going on.

00:05:44.000 I think that's what's mean and nasty.

00:05:45.800 Okay, just on that point.

00:05:47.760 I'm looking forward to talking at Thanksgiving with my relatives about why their king is still covering up the Epstein files.

00:05:57.000 Right.

00:05:58.460 Look, he's not king yet.

00:05:59.740 We're working on him.

00:06:00.480 He's not king yet.

00:06:01.320 I don't know if it's going to ruin Thanksgiving.

00:06:03.500 But like she said, if you're the one supporting the guy who's covering for one of the greatest pedophile rings ever,

00:06:09.420 then, yeah, that would be more disowned over than what?

00:06:13.000 Okay, so on that point, he did just sign a bill with almost unanimous supporting Congress to release all the Epstein files.

00:06:18.120 With exceptions.

00:06:19.040 We'll get to that in a moment.

00:06:20.280 On purpose, he won't.

00:06:20.540 I think so.

00:06:21.380 You'd be willing to talk to your conservative friends.

00:06:23.360 Of course.

00:06:23.740 Okay, so then really to Zena's point, I guess you say, look, we have a lot more reason to disown conservatives

00:06:29.640 because we find their policies and their desires morally objectionable.

00:06:35.040 But think about it the other way.

00:06:36.540 You support abortion, I take it.

00:06:39.180 Yeah, before I would say second trimester, yeah.

00:06:42.540 Okay, so from my perspective, as a conservative, as a Christian, I don't support abortion.

00:06:48.400 I think it's really bad.

00:06:49.620 I think it's killing babies.

00:06:51.620 I think even the fact that you would put some limits on abortion suggests you might consider that at least at some point, too.

00:06:56.700 So I am perfectly willing to sit down with friends and family members of mine who I think support.

00:07:03.900 We're sitting down right now.

00:07:05.020 What's the point?

00:07:06.100 Okay, liberals might be too sensitive.

00:07:07.880 I agree.

00:07:08.740 So you agree with me?

00:07:09.640 So it's you and me against Zena?

00:07:11.520 Hold on.

00:07:11.860 No, Zena's with me.

00:07:12.380 Wait, wait, wait.

00:07:12.800 No, you guys are out of the system.

00:07:14.280 Wait, Michael, Michael, Michael.

00:07:14.880 We're trying to stand up for our fellow liberals.

00:07:16.760 Michael, you made the point towards me, right?

00:07:18.820 So you want me to respond, right?

00:07:20.060 Yeah, well, just to finish my point, Zena.

00:07:21.660 Right.

00:07:22.400 I'm willing to sit down, and conservatives are willing to sit down, with liberal family members who we believe, correctly,

00:07:28.320 support the wholesale slaughter of infants to the tune of 70 million a year.

00:07:33.480 Maybe I don't really believe that.

00:07:34.560 Hold on, one second.

00:07:35.160 You might object to our immigration policies, but doesn't the principle of, you know, moral objection go up both ways?

00:07:40.860 Well, so the problem is, like, the point that you're making is not about human persons.

00:07:46.280 You're talking about, um...

00:07:47.820 I think it is.

00:07:48.680 Well, personhood is defined by consciousness, and it's just the case...

00:07:52.380 No, it's not. I don't think so.

00:07:52.900 Yes, it is. Well, okay, so...

00:07:54.220 I guess we disagree on that.

00:07:55.020 What makes a human being dead?

00:07:56.980 Like, when does a human being...

00:07:58.320 When are they considered dead?

00:07:59.620 Not when they go unconscious, because then I would be dead every single night when I go to sleep.

00:08:02.900 But when there's no longer an ability for conscious experience to occur, there's no longer a human person, right?

00:08:09.400 No, I...

00:08:09.900 And that's not the case...

00:08:10.320 No, no, no, let me finish.

00:08:11.460 Hold on.

00:08:11.880 I gave you a moment.

00:08:13.420 So, so what we're talking about here is the sense that...

00:08:16.880 Thanksgiving!

00:08:17.880 Yeah, we're talking about Thanksgiving, but we're also talking about morality.

00:08:21.420 So if we want to talk about Thanksgiving, we can also...

00:08:23.360 Let's get back to the morality point.

00:08:24.560 I guess, I guess, Vazina, my broader point.

00:08:25.740 No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, Michael, let's get...

00:08:26.440 Because I think you're evading my broader point.

00:08:27.780 Michael, Michael, let's get back to the morality point.

00:08:29.600 You find homosexuality to be immoral, right?

00:08:31.860 Yeah.

00:08:32.360 All right.

00:08:33.000 So you wouldn't...

00:08:34.200 But I, you know, I have homosexual friends.

00:08:35.980 Okay, but you wouldn't elect a homosexual to be president, right?

00:08:39.620 It depends.

00:08:40.340 If he were just, like, homosexual in the British way, where, you know, like, he likes Cole

00:08:44.240 Porter or went to Eaton or something.

00:08:46.240 Okay, but what if he was homosexual in the Blowing Bubba way?

00:08:50.140 Would you elect him?

00:08:53.420 I don't think Donald Trump is Bill Clinton's type.

00:08:56.440 I don't know.

00:08:56.960 We know a lot about Bill Clinton's preferences.

00:08:58.580 No, but Epstein seemed to think so.

00:09:00.780 And in the legal documents that are being reviewed right now in litigation...

00:09:02.480 Yeah, I don't trust Jeffrey Epstein, I guess would be my favorite question.

00:09:04.600 I mean, I trust legal documents.

00:09:05.880 I think you're evading the question, Zina.

00:09:07.700 I think you've totally evaded it.

00:09:08.820 You brought up Thanksgiving.

00:09:09.600 I think you shouldn't disown your relatives except for some crazy cases.

00:09:13.200 Family's number one.

00:09:14.480 But...

00:09:14.600 Yeah, we're on the same team.

00:09:16.140 Let's go.

00:09:16.580 Let's go.

00:09:19.540 But what is going to ruin Thanksgiving is that the guy who promised affordability is driving

00:09:24.200 up costs, as even he's having to admit now with the reversal of his tariff policy.

00:09:28.100 The Thanksgiving meals getting more expensive, I think, is more relevant to this discussion.

00:09:32.720 No, one thing I noticed...

00:09:33.580 Because we're all here...

00:09:34.200 Wait, before?

00:09:34.600 We're all here to discuss, so clearly none of us are those people disowning family members.

00:09:38.220 It feels a little irrelevant, but the cost feels more relevant.

00:09:41.160 You're saying the point you're making is irrelevant.

00:09:43.500 I agree.

00:09:44.140 No, I'm saying your point about, oh, like, some random liberals that aren't here disown

00:09:48.540 family members.

00:09:49.000 I don't really care.

00:09:49.540 No, Zina's actually saying she would disown family members.

00:09:51.840 Wait, wait.

00:09:52.340 No, no, I think she was justifying...

00:09:53.140 Michael, which of my family members have I disowned?

00:09:55.360 I'm confused.

00:09:55.760 No, no, I'm just...

00:09:56.540 So you agree that liberals should not disown family members.

00:09:59.600 They should show up to Thanksgiving.

00:10:00.620 Yes.

00:10:01.120 That 40% of liberals are wrong to say that we should disown family.

00:10:04.800 So we all agree on that point.

00:10:06.100 I don't think 40% said we should disown family.

00:10:08.220 Yes.

00:10:08.580 40% according to Desiree News.

00:10:11.300 Are more likely to, right?

00:10:12.080 Anyone who's first from.

00:10:12.840 They would justify it.

00:10:13.960 Oh, they would justify it.

00:10:14.620 40% of Kamala Harris supporters.

00:10:16.400 I'm special.

00:10:16.960 Yeah, okay.

00:10:17.340 So I'm trying to figure out, because both of you are completely evading the topic and changing

00:10:21.720 it.

00:10:21.840 Wait, wait.

00:10:22.240 How am I supposed to argue with something that I don't think you should disown family members,

00:10:25.140 but if we want to talk about Thanksgiving, I have other points we can bring up.

00:10:27.420 Because you...

00:10:27.920 I don't...

00:10:28.340 We're not talking about other topics.

00:10:29.520 We're talking about the one that the people chose.

00:10:31.340 And so you might agree with me, and that's delightful for you.

00:10:34.260 It means you're on the right side of the question.

00:10:35.480 But Xena, see, I think you disagree.

00:10:38.300 And so you're trying to avoid the question.

00:10:40.180 My claim, which is the claim we're debating, is lives are ruining Thanksgiving, and they

00:10:44.040 need to cut it out.

00:10:44.680 Do you agree with that?

00:10:45.320 I think there's grounds for, you know, considering disownership.

00:10:48.720 When we look at the fact that Trump has been held civilly liable for sexually assaulting

00:10:53.480 a woman named E. Jean Carroll.

00:10:55.480 This was held in federal...

00:10:57.560 She was crazy.

00:10:58.520 Well, how come...

00:10:59.280 You're crazy.

00:11:00.300 Were the courts...

00:11:01.220 Were the two courts...

00:11:02.300 Were the two courts in two separate years that found him guilty?

00:11:05.840 And him not having exculpatory evidence to prove that he wasn't guilty.

00:11:11.120 Were they all also insane?

00:11:12.380 When did Donald Trump assault E. Jean Carroll?

00:11:14.920 I'm not sure what the date was.

00:11:16.540 Neither is E. Jean Carroll, because she doesn't know if it's 95 or 96.

00:11:19.720 And she only reported it 23 or 24 years later.

00:11:22.700 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:11:23.220 Michael, do you or do you not support our court system?

00:11:26.620 Do you agree that our court system...

00:11:27.920 I think courts sometimes make mistakes, and I think...

00:11:30.120 And what evidence do you have of the mistake that they've made in their decision?

00:11:32.820 Here's my evidence, because you keep changing the topic, because you don't want to discuss

00:11:36.440 the point that the people asked for.

00:11:37.980 That's fine.

00:11:38.680 That's fine.

00:11:39.340 E. Jean Carroll herself cannot tell you when the alleged sexual assault in Bergdorf Goodman

00:11:44.680 occurred.

00:11:45.580 She then reported it only 23 or 24 years later.

00:11:48.980 She then went on Anderson Cooper's show when she was reporting this and said that rape is

00:11:52.780 sexy.

00:11:53.140 It was so weird that Anderson Cooper had to cut to commercial.

00:11:56.500 This then was reported by George Stephanopoulos and ABC.

00:11:59.460 He said that Trump was liable for rape, and ABC News and George Stephanopoulos had to pay

00:12:04.220 Trump $16 million for defamation, because that wasn't true.

00:12:07.040 Now you have to...

00:12:07.340 So I don't find her credible.

00:12:08.240 Now you have to let me, since you made a bunch of points on that, respond to it.

00:12:11.380 Put in all these events.

00:12:12.400 He's on tape saying, oh, I got my...

00:12:14.220 Oh, it was a joke, okay?

00:12:15.360 Then he is found civilly liable.

00:12:16.920 He's on tape saying what?

00:12:17.720 Wait, wait.

00:12:18.660 Okay, I don't think we talked about my point, so I think I...

00:12:21.440 Well, hold on.

00:12:21.760 We have to ask who won.

00:12:22.540 So if you agree, I don't even know what sides we're on here.

00:12:25.540 I guess if you agree with me and Luke, I guess, is on my side, you raise the red sign, and

00:12:32.160 if you agree with Xena, you raise the blue sign.

00:12:36.360 I see.

00:12:37.860 I would say there's a couple of blues there.

00:12:40.040 Is that blue down there?

00:12:41.040 Yeah, too.

00:12:42.020 And then the rest is red.

00:12:44.000 Okay, I think that goes to us.

00:12:46.720 Good job, Luke.

00:12:47.520 Now we cut for questions.

00:12:53.020 Yes, I think that in the idea of disowning your family and the borders and all those things,

00:12:58.600 I think the liberal heart is the compassion is misplaced because we're not concerned about

00:13:03.320 all these children that have come across the border who were given a number that they

00:13:08.200 call and no one answered.

00:13:10.280 They've been abused.

00:13:11.240 They've been sexually trafficked.

00:13:13.140 They've been lost.

00:13:14.520 We don't even know where they are, so if you have the compassion for them, you should

00:13:19.120 have the compassion for closing the borders and taking care of their own country to help

00:13:22.740 them get a better life and a better life in their own country with the things that they

00:13:27.180 need.

00:13:27.440 We can partner with those countries.

00:13:29.000 Charity begins at home.

00:13:30.080 Do you agree?

00:13:30.720 Answer that?

00:13:31.160 Yeah.

00:13:32.340 So, obviously, we should have a secure border.

00:13:36.020 Obviously.

00:13:36.620 All right.

00:13:37.220 Are you on the Republican side of that?

00:13:38.540 Hold on.

00:13:38.840 And we can both have a secure border and then separately not ignore due process, which

00:13:43.760 is completely unrelated to what you're talking about, which is what Trump has done.

00:13:47.900 And deporting people without due process who had legal asylum cases to prisons in El Salvador

00:13:53.500 to rot there forever is completely against everything America is supposed to stand for.

00:13:58.540 So let's have both.

00:13:59.980 America is supposed to stand for Latin American gangsters.

00:14:03.320 Okay.

00:14:03.760 I didn't read that in the Federalist.

00:14:04.920 There was zero.

00:14:05.480 Wait, wait, wait.

00:14:05.780 There was, wait.

00:14:06.520 Explain what evidence against Andrew Hernandez Romero was there that he was a gang member.

00:14:12.540 The gangster case.

00:14:13.960 You can't name it.

00:14:14.620 You can't name it.

00:14:15.340 There was no evidence against him because he was a lawful asylum seeker.

00:14:18.620 Hold on.

00:14:19.520 Who had actually come to the border checkpoint legally, who didn't illegally cross the border.

00:14:24.740 Exactly.

00:14:25.640 Was he?

00:14:26.460 And he ended up being sent because of a mistake, not the one you're thinking of, the other

00:14:30.240 guy.

00:14:30.660 I'm talking about Andrew.

00:14:30.860 What's the other guy's name?

00:14:32.180 You know his name.

00:14:33.040 Um, listen, listen to how he demeans the poor refugees and asylum seekers.

00:14:39.100 That's who you're going to bring up.

00:14:39.940 That's not who I'm bringing up.

00:14:40.760 We're going to have Andrew.

00:14:41.320 I know his name.

00:14:41.840 You don't know anything about him.

00:14:43.060 And you're fine with our government sending him to a prison.

00:14:45.680 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 Indefinitely.

00:14:46.440 So you bring up one of the.

00:14:47.520 Which is against every basic international law and what America's supposed to stand for.

00:14:50.900 So to the question.

00:14:51.680 Hold on.

00:14:51.980 Yeah, secure border and lawful immigration policy.

00:14:53.320 But you asked about this guy.

00:14:54.520 You asked about this guy.

00:14:55.500 And I think it's very important.

00:14:56.600 It's true.

00:14:57.180 We don't know the names of all of the 20 million illegal aliens who are in this country.

00:15:01.860 He wasn't an illegal alien.

00:15:02.820 You're making random points.

00:15:04.280 He wasn't an illegal alien.

00:15:04.640 He was an American citizen?

00:15:05.840 He wasn't an American citizen either.

00:15:07.060 You know the difference, right?

00:15:08.100 Did he have a green card?

00:15:08.680 Did he have a green card?

00:15:09.520 He had a lawful immigration case.

00:15:10.660 No, no.

00:15:11.220 You said he was seeking asylum.

00:15:12.560 And he hadn't entered illegally.

00:15:14.100 So he's not illegal.

00:15:15.140 He, no.

00:15:15.640 He had no right to be in the United States.

00:15:17.680 You're saying he was seeking asylum.

00:15:18.560 He went lawfully to a checkpoint, applied, and his case was pending.

00:15:22.160 Yeah.

00:15:22.380 You could have like Osama walking through with a Trendy Aragua membership card.

00:15:26.480 He can lawfully go to a checkpoint.

00:15:28.640 It doesn't mean he hasn't had a right to be in the United States.

00:15:30.400 Michael, Michael, you do understand that illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes

00:15:36.300 in this country than illegal citizens.

00:15:39.640 That is 100% true.

00:15:42.260 And none of your statistics-

00:15:43.080 Hold on.

00:15:43.300 What did you just call them?

00:15:44.580 Zina, what did you just call them?

00:15:45.980 Right.

00:15:46.380 So-

00:15:46.540 Hold on.

00:15:46.720 What did you just call them?

00:15:48.160 Undocumented immigrants?

00:15:48.800 No, that's not what you called them.

00:15:49.860 You called them illegal immigrants.

00:15:51.440 I think you gave the game away.

00:15:53.920 I think-

00:15:54.540 Illegal means unlawful.

00:15:56.320 We care a little bit more about-

00:15:57.260 So here's the problem.

00:15:58.740 Undocumented immigrants who come to this country fleeing, you know, oftentimes war-ridden countries,

00:16:03.800 oftentimes that have been intervened from America, right, come to this country, and they

00:16:09.740 are less likely to commit violent crimes than any of the rest of you sitting in this bar.

00:16:14.220 That is a fact that you can fact-check on.

00:16:16.080 Yeah, I don't know about that.

00:16:16.920 And the problem is there has been a narrative spread about illegal immigrants to make them

00:16:22.380 seem as if they're some kind of villain in this country that are somehow-

00:16:25.940 They broke the law.

00:16:26.700 When your life shut off, when your electricity doesn't work, damn, it's those damn immigrants

00:16:30.340 somewhere out there.

00:16:31.100 They're always lurking.

00:16:32.000 That's the problem.

00:16:33.060 I don't blame them for that.

00:16:33.940 I blame them for high prices and use of welfare and some crime.

00:16:36.520 What we realize, though, is that they're doing the jobs that everyday Americans don't want

00:16:40.640 to do, the jobs that pay, you know, lesser wages.

00:16:43.720 The problem is when you push them out-

00:16:44.500 We need cheap slave labor, so bring in those refugees.

00:16:46.920 That's what we're going to use them for.

00:16:48.260 When you push them out, other Americans are still doing that labor, and that's a fault

00:16:51.100 of our system, but pushing them out continues to make worse living conditions for millions

00:16:55.880 of people.

00:16:56.160 They're doing that labor for living wages.

00:16:57.740 That's a pretty good idea.

00:16:58.560 I support that, actually.

00:16:59.680 Okay, next question.

00:17:00.240 But okay.

00:17:01.140 This question is for Xena.

00:17:03.960 I'm assuming you're a supporter of Black Lives Matter?

00:17:06.200 I do believe Black Lives Matter, yes.

00:17:09.380 Okay, okay, good, good.

00:17:10.460 So if you're in favor of protecting Black lives, where do you believe the most dangerous place

00:17:15.220 in our country is right now for Black children?

00:17:17.700 That depends.

00:17:18.520 Probably at the hands of law enforcement.

00:17:21.980 I think that would be, like, the worst place for a lot of Black children to be.

00:17:24.880 Okay, so according to the CDC, 17 million black babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade.

00:17:31.240 That's 35% of the current black population in America.

00:17:35.620 Unfortunately.

00:17:36.000 So if you really care about Black Lives Matter, wouldn't you want to protect the millions

00:17:39.060 of babies that are being slaughtered by their parents?

00:17:40.940 Yeah, so the only problem is when you're with your girlfriend and she needs to get a plan

00:17:51.640 B, we don't kind of charge her with murder, right?

00:17:55.020 That's because fetuses don't have personhood.

00:17:56.740 Who needs to get a plan B that's an abortion drug?

00:18:00.560 A lot of people do.

00:18:01.880 You don't need to.

00:18:02.640 You can just have the kid.

00:18:04.300 You could, or you can also, you know, engage in your rights and get a plan B.

00:18:09.380 Like a lot of Americans do.

00:18:09.880 You could kill your kid, but he's saying that's bad, and it's bad specifically for

00:18:12.440 Black people.

00:18:12.780 So any women in here who have IUDs, you could be considered a murderer, according to Michael

00:18:18.120 Knowles.

00:18:18.420 No, IUDs are not necessarily a board of fashion the way that plan B are.

00:18:21.360 Of course they are.

00:18:21.380 And in many different cases, IUDs will actually remove the eggs.

00:18:24.780 I don't support those either, but they're different than plan B.

00:18:28.020 Fertilized eggs from the uterus.

00:18:31.320 From implantation.

00:18:32.320 Or implantation, you're right.

00:18:33.460 Yeah.

00:18:33.700 And that would lead to a baby no longer being able to be conceived.

00:18:37.720 So, yes, that would be considered a murder of a human person, right?

00:18:41.460 That would be equal to any of the lives in here, which isn't the case.

00:18:45.760 If we had, like, 50 fetuses just, like, stacked up on this table, and we took 50 people from

00:18:51.940 the audience, would you say that, like, these lives are worth the same?

00:18:55.220 Are these, are those lives the same?

00:18:58.080 Yeah, I think all human life is, has equal dignity, yeah.

00:19:01.260 So if we said, okay, let's take, let's take Luke over here.

00:19:05.060 If we said Luke, and, or, or one fetus, like, like, literally sitting, like, like, on, on the

00:19:10.680 table.

00:19:11.160 Xena, when do, when do human beings, I like Luke, come on, that's not nice.

00:19:16.220 She didn't even ask the question yet.

00:19:17.500 Which one would you, if you had to choose between saving the life of Luke, or a fetus

00:19:22.600 sat on this table, which one would you choose, Michael?

00:19:25.700 Xena, when do you believe that human beings get right?

00:19:28.620 Okay, next question.

00:19:29.340 That sums everything up.

00:19:30.580 Thank you.

00:19:30.780 Someone ask me a question.

00:19:37.600 You can call the attention.

00:19:39.140 I have a question.

00:19:40.400 Well, it's not really a question, more of a statement that you can answer to the libs.

00:19:47.500 So, I just became a mother, and two months ago, greatest joy of my life, and so feminism

00:20:01.180 says that it takes a strong, independent woman to have a career.

00:20:06.400 I already have a decent career, but that wasn't that hard.

00:20:12.400 Having, becoming a mother, takes a strong, independent woman.

00:20:17.960 Let me just say, I had a natural birth.

00:20:21.900 The question is, do you really think that being a strong, independent woman is being a

00:20:29.360 career woman who had a few abortions, or is being a mother really feminist?

00:20:34.280 I'm really curious what you think liberals believe.

00:20:40.040 I'm very proud of you on your motherly journey, and I wish you the best, and I think it takes

00:20:45.620 a lot of bravery and courage to be a mother and a lot of work, and it's a beautiful thing.

00:20:50.280 And liberals, at least correct liberals, don't believe that you shouldn't, if you want to,

00:20:55.560 create the most beautiful thing, a family.

00:20:57.560 What we believe is that you should have the choice and the freedom to do that, or to pursue

00:21:02.740 a career, or to pursue a career for a while and have kids, or both.

00:21:05.880 And that freedom is something that, I don't know where Michael specifically stands, but

00:21:09.180 some people in his cohort don't like the idea of, and want way more rigid enforcement.

00:21:15.700 We want freedom, and I love that you became a mother.

00:21:18.640 I love that you said you also achieved things in your career, and the choice for your own

00:21:23.300 life path is what liberals believe in.

00:21:25.040 Thank you.

00:21:25.420 Here's the only problem with that, is that my Instagram feed calls it propaganda when

00:21:30.240 other women promote being mothers.

00:21:31.540 That's because Instagram needs you to be upset and stay on the platform, so it shows you random

00:21:35.660 nobodies who don't really represent the mainstream liberal view to get you upset, so you'll keep

00:21:39.940 using their app.

00:21:40.380 Now, hold on, Luke.

00:21:41.080 I'm glad that you're moderate and relatively reasonable as far as Libs go, but I think this

00:21:47.120 is ignoring pretty widespread left-wing demonstrations that say, shout your abortion.

00:21:52.360 Planned Parenthood goes out, says you can have as many abortions as you want.

00:21:55.420 You want or need.

00:21:56.100 These are mainstream groups.

00:21:58.140 Articulate.

00:21:59.200 If you actually look at people in positions of authority, obviously we have a very different

00:22:02.460 stance on abortion, but about uplifting families and enhancing the child tax credit.

00:22:10.120 Democrats stand for that.

00:22:11.160 Republicans want to cut those programs.

00:22:12.460 Trump did just expand the child tax credit, but we'll get to that in some later topic.

00:22:24.920 Okay, so who do you think won the first round?

00:22:30.280 Now, I don't even know what the questions really were about.

00:22:32.960 Is it, would you say, do we get the blue for the Libs, red for, is it a tie?

00:22:40.360 Is it a tie?

00:22:42.040 Is it?

00:22:44.500 I'm seeing more red if I'm being real.

00:22:46.380 But that was a very reasonable answer by liberal standards.

00:22:49.480 That was very good.

00:22:49.880 Okay, who do we think the VIP questioner was?

00:22:55.260 Who gets to go to the VIP table and drink delicious Redneck Riviera bourbon?

00:22:58.760 The mom gets it.

00:23:01.320 The mom is going to drink nine months' worth of bourbon tonight, baby.

00:23:04.960 Here we go.

00:23:06.560 All right.

00:23:07.460 Now, you know what I find pairs very well with motherhood and bourbon?

00:23:13.480 Delicious good rancher's meat.

00:23:15.580 While our VIP gets her seat before an actual brawl breaks out between Luke and Xena, maybe.

00:23:22.840 Luke is kind of like a conservative here.

00:23:24.820 Before that happens, everyone should sit down right now.

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00:23:37.060 Now, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on.

00:23:39.520 Nobody is turning down a sizzling, perfectly grilled, juicy, delicious steak.

00:23:44.460 That is why when I fire up the grill, I actually have my wife do the grilling.

00:23:47.680 Is that?

00:23:47.880 That's kind of feminist of me.

00:23:48.900 I know that I am serving 100% American-raised meat, top quality.

00:23:52.860 I get it delivered right to my door.

00:23:54.840 Let me bring the audience into this.

00:23:56.180 Give me a shout if you've ever tried disgusting grocery store meat and instantly regretted it.

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00:24:42.860 Are we ready for round two?

00:24:46.960 Yes, Sean.

00:24:48.140 Let's go, Sean.

00:24:49.120 Okay, now we're going to read our topics.

00:24:54.400 I have to urge my guests here.

00:24:57.340 We'll try to stick to the topic, you know, not some of the other.

00:24:59.920 We'll try to stick to whichever one gets picked.

00:25:02.000 Ladies first.

00:25:02.640 All right.

00:25:03.800 Claim two is that toxic masculinity is ruining young men.

00:25:10.160 That was a cheer from the most toxic man in this bar.

00:25:15.120 Luke.

00:25:16.080 All right.

00:25:16.320 My claim two is Republicans are much worse for the economy than Democrats.

00:25:20.740 Everyone cheer real loud for that.

00:25:22.560 Yeah, there we go.

00:25:26.460 Okay.

00:25:27.280 My claim is that we should ban porn.

00:25:30.680 Yeah!

00:25:32.640 Oh, yeah, there we go.

00:25:34.200 Wow, all right.

00:25:35.040 No.

00:25:35.600 Wow.

00:25:36.380 I don't care.

00:25:37.100 Wait, guys.

00:25:37.660 Do we have, there were cheers for the economy one.

00:25:40.400 Is there, what do we got?

00:25:41.380 There was cheers across the board.

00:25:42.600 What did it sound like up there?

00:25:43.820 Because back here, I'm getting like two people yelling into it.

00:25:44.840 Economy was really loud.

00:25:45.840 I heard, I heard, wait, wait, you guys remember?

00:25:50.960 I've never been to a bar where the cheers are, economy.

00:25:53.520 Toxic masculinity?

00:25:53.760 Toxic masculinity?

00:25:55.320 Toxic masculinity?

00:25:59.920 Toxic masculinity.

00:26:01.380 Okay, so what do you mean?

00:26:02.040 Because it's, it's near Thanksgiving and Luke said he would come to my Thanksgiving dinner.

00:26:07.720 I will put my side for a moment.

00:26:10.580 We can talk about the economy.

00:26:11.960 All right, let's go.

00:26:14.260 So I'm sure a bunch of people in this bar don't know this.

00:26:17.440 I think everyone's worldview, our politics should be structured on just a rational approach to public policy.

00:26:23.660 The most important issue in all of our lives is the economy.

00:26:26.600 And almost all Americans, or probably a majority, misunderstand the records between Republicans and Democrats on the economy.

00:26:33.980 Over the last century, Michael, and I'd like to hear you respond to this in a second.

00:26:37.960 The last century, the economy has fared way better on GDP growth, unemployment, job growth, etc.

00:26:45.140 All of the metrics you can find.

00:26:46.780 The last century under Democrats compared to Republicans, even when you control for-

00:26:50.580 Under Democrat presidents, you mean?

00:26:51.860 No, even when you control for what about the, who was in the House, who was in the Senate.

00:26:56.720 Time and time again, Democratic administrations and better under unified Democratic government.

00:27:03.560 So always Democrats in the White House.

00:27:05.460 Democrats in the White House.

00:27:06.260 Yeah, okay.

00:27:06.720 The economy performs better over and over again.

00:27:09.900 Recessions are way more likely to happen under Republicans.

00:27:12.180 We're seeing this right now with Trump.

00:27:13.620 A bunch of people voted for him to help their economic situation.

00:27:16.060 And then he came in and implemented these insane and irrational tariffs on everyone in the world and penguins.

00:27:22.280 And he's driving prices up and doesn't understand how tariffs work.

00:27:26.220 Tariffs were deflationary according to the San Francisco Fed last week.

00:27:28.680 He doesn't even know who paid the tariffs.

00:27:30.080 So the clearest stat is that every single economist, conservative or not, says Democrats are better for the economy.

00:27:36.680 You can even ask Grock and it gives you the same answer.

00:27:38.680 So I would like to ask you.

00:27:40.300 Because it is, well, it's Elon's.

00:27:42.440 Because even, exactly.

00:27:45.500 And Elon's AI now says, like, he has a sexy body or something.

00:27:48.780 So it's pretty skewed.

00:27:50.220 But I'd be curious to know, because Trump's landmark economic approach has been tariffs.

00:27:56.200 And I know a lot of commentators who defend him have flip-flopped on it.

00:27:58.720 It's just negotiating.

00:27:59.560 It's not.

00:28:00.020 It's not.

00:28:00.880 You agree that he's completely lying when he says China pays the tariffs, right?

00:28:04.960 No, I think the tariffs have worked out relatively well.

00:28:07.480 Because everyone predicted that the tariffs would be inflationary.

00:28:10.080 The San Francisco Fed just came out and said they were actually deflationary.

00:28:12.960 We see that real wages are up here.

00:28:14.580 You said you were going to stay on the topic.

00:28:15.640 I asked.

00:28:16.480 You just asked me a question.

00:28:17.800 You can't do that.

00:28:18.520 You asked me a direct question.

00:28:19.640 I responded to it.

00:28:20.300 But then you gave me an answer to a different question.

00:28:21.420 I asked you a specific question.

00:28:22.240 That was a total fake out.

00:28:23.560 That was a total trick.

00:28:24.440 Who's paying the tariffs?

00:28:25.140 You have to answer my question if I ask a question, Michael.

00:28:27.460 Oh, that was.

00:28:28.060 Man, how'd you do that to me?

00:28:29.320 He could have asked me a question about.

00:28:30.860 So I'll answer the top line.

00:28:33.500 Because it's very.

00:28:34.800 This is one of those examples of lies, damn lies, and statistics.

00:28:38.600 All right.

00:28:38.740 You're not going to answer it.

00:28:39.340 Okay.

00:28:39.700 Wait.

00:28:39.900 Hold on.

00:28:40.180 Wait.

00:28:40.360 You want me to answer that question?

00:28:41.300 Or do you want me to answer your broader question?

00:28:42.460 Well, you're just going to say a bunch of.

00:28:43.300 You just keep cutting me off whenever I answer what you ask.

00:28:45.340 Yeah, because you're about to say random stuff.

00:28:46.260 Okay, go.

00:28:46.620 Sorry.

00:28:47.700 Go for it.

00:28:48.360 Okay.

00:28:48.760 Do you want me to answer the broader question or the specific question you asked?

00:28:51.680 No, it's just a question.

00:28:51.960 About tariffs.

00:28:52.540 Trump keeps lying, saying other countries pay the tariff, not importers.

00:28:56.180 The way that tariff.

00:28:57.060 Look, I am actually.

00:28:57.720 I am an importer because I have a great cigar brand called Mayflower Cigars.

00:29:00.560 And this cigar is made in Latin America.

00:29:03.060 And so anyway.

00:29:03.800 So I know the tariff issue all too well.

00:29:05.900 And right now they're mostly being absorbed by the companies.

00:29:07.560 They're not really being passed on to the consumers.

00:29:09.280 And so this is why the tariffs, the San Francisco Fed just pointed out the tariffs were deflationary.

00:29:13.820 Well, you didn't get any to answer.

00:29:14.740 But we have seen prices.

00:29:16.900 We saw a huge softening of price increases.

00:29:19.460 Then Trump comes back in, reversed the trend.

00:29:21.580 Food prices are back sharply increasing.

00:29:24.020 To my next getting point.

00:29:24.940 It's true.

00:29:25.440 Inflation is not bad at all.

00:29:26.400 Inflation is around 3%.

00:29:27.280 Real wage growth is around 4 or 5%.

00:29:28.980 Because it was coming down.

00:29:30.800 Inflation?

00:29:31.280 It was coming down.

00:29:32.120 Inflation was 9% under Biden.

00:29:33.360 What are we talking about?

00:29:34.340 Biden.

00:29:35.440 COVID.

00:29:36.240 Coming down under Biden.

00:29:36.780 So hold on.

00:29:37.100 And then wait, that's what Biden handed to Trump.

00:29:39.740 And then Trump reversed the trend and now is going back up because of his policy.

00:29:43.600 In Biden's case, it was because of the pandemic that Trump mishandled.

00:29:47.160 Trump caused a bunch of inflationary things.

00:29:48.660 I have to clarify something.

00:29:49.800 It's true.

00:29:50.180 Are you asking me about Trump's handling of the economy or about your claim that in general

00:29:55.460 the economy does better under Democrats or Republicans?

00:29:57.440 Oh no, I made that point.

00:29:58.380 And then I was giving you a different point about how Trump keeps lying.

00:30:01.560 It's an economic point.

00:30:02.480 Wait, what are you laughing about?

00:30:03.300 What are you laughing about?

00:30:03.320 Economic point.

00:30:03.840 Are we going to debate the topic that I graciously let you do or are we going to debate some other

00:30:07.960 point?

00:30:08.240 Actually, I would love to hear you.

00:30:08.640 Are you going to deny that for the last century?

00:30:10.920 Yeah.

00:30:11.980 Okay.

00:30:12.800 Everyone Google right now.

00:30:14.440 Okay.

00:30:14.820 So you don't have to Google.

00:30:16.020 I'm a human being.

00:30:17.320 I can actually just give you the facts myself.

00:30:19.400 Lies.

00:30:19.680 So your point is that under Democrat administrations, the economy grows more.

00:30:26.360 The GDPs are.

00:30:27.120 And so this is one example of lies, damn lies, and statistics.

00:30:30.140 Wage increases.

00:30:31.200 Wage.

00:30:31.580 Unemployment.

00:30:32.580 You just said the GDP.

00:30:32.920 Does he have Tourette's or something?

00:30:34.100 Are we going to answer the question or not?

00:30:36.080 Hold on.

00:30:36.540 I'll try.

00:30:37.140 All right.

00:30:37.600 Would you like me to answer or no?

00:30:39.320 Are you afraid of my answer?

00:30:40.120 Keep going.

00:30:40.700 You're afraid of my answer.

00:30:41.280 Okay.

00:30:41.560 So this is true, but you would grant certainly that macroeconomic events also play a role in

00:30:48.060 the economy, right?

00:30:48.740 Of course.

00:30:48.780 Of course.

00:30:49.140 Okay.

00:30:49.600 So the way that you arrive at those numbers, because GDP growth is a little bit higher under

00:30:53.860 Democrat administrations than Republicans if you go back to, say, World War II or back

00:30:57.220 through the 20th century.

00:30:58.080 The reason for this is that you have a Democrat administration coming out of World War II.

00:31:01.960 So this is a massive global event that leaves the United States as one of the two main players.

00:31:06.720 Will you be quiet while I answer your question?

00:31:08.820 Why are you being so dishonest?

00:31:09.680 Even if you exclude that.

00:31:11.540 Even if you just look at the last few presidents.

00:31:13.340 He's interrupting because he doesn't want the facts.

00:31:16.260 You're just so...

00:31:17.840 As I was saying before I was rudely interrupted.

00:31:20.240 Mumbo jumbo.

00:31:21.120 After World War II, you had a Democrat administration.

00:31:23.500 So it inherits this massive growth in the economy because the United States is one of two superpowers

00:31:28.420 left in the world.

00:31:29.320 That starts to flip the numbers.

00:31:31.060 Then you have, say, under the presidency of Ronald Reagan, you inherit in 1981 a massive,

00:31:35.800 massive recession.

00:31:36.940 Now, Reagan was able to turn that around on GDP growth, on unemployment numbers, on inflation.

00:31:41.140 He turns it around.

00:31:41.700 It gives us the Reagan boom.

00:31:42.960 Sets up the next 25 years.

00:31:44.120 Bill Clinton comes into office.

00:31:46.020 He rides that all the way through a once-in-a-century technological revolution, which is the Internet

00:31:50.940 revolution.

00:31:51.720 He rides it all the way up to the bursting of the dot-com bubble, which is saddled on George

00:31:55.960 Bush's numbers, not on Bill Clinton's numbers.

00:31:58.400 Furthermore, George Bush digs us out of that hole because of the 2003 tax cuts.

00:32:02.580 But at the end of the Bush term, you had the global financial crisis, the global financial

00:32:06.760 crisis that was set up mostly by two laws passed under Bill Clinton, the Community Reinvestment

00:32:11.160 Act of 1995 and the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed Glass-Steagall, led to the

00:32:15.080 global financial crisis.

00:32:16.620 Now, obviously, Bush's numbers get pummeled by that.

00:32:19.240 You get growth, especially because of the energy boom under Bush, under Barack Obama.

00:32:23.380 Donald Trump then comes in, cleans up some of Obama's mess, and passes more tax cuts

00:32:27.100 that lead to long-term growth.

00:32:28.280 So I grant to you, one second, let me finish my book.

00:32:30.200 I grant to you, I grant to you that it is true that under Democrat administrations, one

00:32:36.200 second, one second, it is true that under Democrat administrations, you can arrive at

00:32:40.280 that statistic, but when you look at macroeconomic trends, you realize the statistics are total

00:32:43.640 lie.

00:32:43.740 So even if you control for specific economic crises, even if you do that, steady times

00:32:48.440 without external factors, still, still, and you're citing tax cuts, which have failed

00:32:53.440 What is GDP growth on average under the Democrats?

00:32:55.900 Now I'm going to go.

00:32:56.380 So, and a great example of this is, and as I explained, everything you just went there

00:33:00.640 was a fun history lesson, and misses the point that I made, which is even analyses that exclude

00:33:05.540 for specific crises.

00:33:05.740 You made a broad point, and I inserted facts into that, and you said ignore those facts.

00:33:09.820 And then, you're not hearing the facts that I'm saying, you just keep going off of regurgitated

00:33:13.100 talking points.

00:33:14.100 So, yeah, and history keeps proving that Democrats oversee better economic conditions.

00:33:17.840 And then, a really good example of this is that we had the whole pandemic collapse, Trump

00:33:22.060 mismanaged a lot at the end of his presidency, the economy was in this chaos.

00:33:25.000 You're blaming Trump for COVID?

00:33:25.940 And then, and then...

00:33:26.860 For a Chinese virus?

00:33:28.000 His handling of it, just listen, and then you'll be able to hear it better.

00:33:31.320 And then, he hands this crisis, obviously, to Biden, and then throughout Biden's term,

00:33:36.420 every single economic analysis shows that we were outperforming every other nation in getting

00:33:40.920 inflation down.

00:33:41.880 The speed we brought it down, because it was a global phenomenon, talking about macroeconomics,

00:33:44.960 you'll never apply that to Biden's economics.

00:33:47.540 And then, the recovery in general across all economic metrics, Biden way outperformed both

00:33:52.300 expectations and every other country in the G7, and none of y'all ever acknowledged that.

00:33:57.100 And then, he hands an economy that had job growth throughout his entire presidency.

00:34:01.780 The last job lost month was at the end of Trump's term.

00:34:05.620 He hands that to Trump, and lo and behold...

00:34:07.700 During COVID.

00:34:08.680 Really?

00:34:10.000 I think you're kind of making my point.

00:34:11.880 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:34:12.300 Last point.

00:34:13.120 All right.

00:34:13.540 And then, and then Trump loses jobs right when he gets back into office this term.

00:34:16.840 Here we go.

00:34:18.140 Okay.

00:34:20.260 Now, does, does Zena have a point?

00:34:23.880 I would like, Zena, would you like to weigh in at all?

00:34:26.140 Hi.

00:34:26.800 I'm here, too.

00:34:27.760 She concurrence.

00:34:28.820 Um, you know, a lot of what Luke said, you know, I gotta agree with the other lib, but

00:34:34.140 another point, I just really want to get this question answered.

00:34:37.980 Michael, who eats the tariff cost?

00:34:40.460 So, tariffs are absorbed right now, it can be a number of people, but right now, the

00:34:45.220 tariffs are being absorbed by the companies.

00:34:46.400 I'm Americans.

00:34:46.660 I know this because I'm one of them.

00:34:47.820 By Americans.

00:34:49.020 All right.

00:34:49.240 Well, I'm an American, that's true.

00:34:50.400 No, no, no, no.

00:34:50.540 So, yeah, but also by foreign companies.

00:34:51.760 By working class Americans, according to the CBO and according to the Federal Reserve.

00:34:54.420 No, the tariffs were deflationary, according to the San Francisco Fed, came out last week.

00:34:57.560 So, it's like, it's really interesting because whenever you pull up a stat, it's directly, like, contradictory

00:35:02.340 to every big economist.

00:35:03.860 Um, which, which economist?

00:35:05.280 So, again, we're talking about, like, these big-

00:35:06.700 Which economists would you want to name?

00:35:07.960 I'm talking about the Congressional Budget Office.

00:35:09.880 Can you not name one of those economists you're referring to?

00:35:12.160 Mark Zandy.

00:35:13.160 Mark Zandy.

00:35:14.160 Do you know who Mark Zandy is?

00:35:15.160 Mark Zandy.

00:35:16.160 Tell me about Mark.

00:35:17.160 Mark Zandy explains how Trump's policy is not only expected to increase inflation another

00:35:21.980 one percent next year-

00:35:22.980 Expected to.

00:35:23.980 But also-

00:35:24.980 No, let me, let me finish.

00:35:25.980 Let me, because you had a monologue already, so let me-

00:35:28.660 In answer to his silly point.

00:35:30.160 Right, so, right.

00:35:31.160 So, let me answer to your point now.

00:35:32.160 So, Mark Zandy, not only does he project inflation increasing, but it's already increased from

00:35:36.700 before due to his tariffs, as well as the fact that he, he notes that these tariffs are

00:35:41.820 being majorly eaten by Americans because of, because of the fact that our goods are being

00:35:46.980 priced higher because corporations want to make up for the profit, right, that they're experiencing

00:35:51.940 loss from because of the tariffs, right?

00:35:53.940 Americans are, look at your grocery prices.

00:35:57.040 Everyone here buys groceries, and you guys know that there's been a difference, right?

00:36:00.820 This is due to tariff policy.

00:36:02.980 It's always been inflationary, and majority of the biggest economic heads agree with this.

00:36:07.340 Unfortunately, the Federal Reserve disagrees.

00:36:08.980 Okay.

00:36:09.980 That's not true.

00:36:10.980 So, listen.

00:36:11.980 Someone bring out Google.

00:36:12.980 Please.

00:36:13.980 Here we go.

00:36:14.980 Questions.

00:36:15.980 Here we go.

00:36:16.980 Questions.

00:36:17.980 Okay, first, peace be with you, Michael.

00:36:18.980 Thank you.

00:36:19.980 So, I think what all of this surrounds, and I'm going to go completely off topic, but it's

00:36:25.780 all relevant.

00:36:26.540 I think that's the theme of the night.

00:36:28.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:29.380 Is, so I think there's three kinds of people in the world.

00:36:32.540 I think there are people who believe in God and act in that way.

00:36:36.240 I think there are people who are atheistic, and they don't follow God, and I think there

00:36:42.500 are people who know God exists, but are actively seeking to deprive the world of God, because

00:36:50.480 they have, they're very small, but it's just the spirit of Cain.

00:36:57.080 It's just like pure evil, and those people, and they know that God exists, but they hate

00:37:02.840 it, and they want to take it from us.

00:37:04.620 So, do you think a group like that could exist?

00:37:09.320 I do.

00:37:09.880 I mean, there's the occult.

00:37:10.780 So, there are people who worship Satan, for instance.

00:37:13.640 They're like witches and stuff.

00:37:15.380 A lot of the times, they are atheists.

00:37:17.440 They're like edgy atheists who want to be really cool, and they end up inadvertently like worshiping

00:37:21.640 the devil.

00:37:22.180 So, that's bad.

00:37:23.860 Do you think any of those people have positions of authority then, I guess?

00:37:28.420 Do you think that the occult has penetrated our systems of power?

00:37:32.960 Or occult, whatever you want to call it, just evil.

00:37:35.720 I think that's the real word.

00:37:36.900 I think Trump is evil, and I think he took over the government.

00:37:40.220 I would love to respond to this, though.

00:37:42.240 Please, please.

00:37:43.160 You're talking about something that is a lot bigger than the topics that we have discussing

00:37:48.500 today.

00:37:48.920 And you can call it God.

00:37:50.320 You can call it spirit, or whatever you want to.

00:37:52.360 But there is bad in this world.

00:37:57.420 And what we notice is that a lot of bad corresponds with amassing huge amounts of power in places

00:38:03.380 where a lot of people don't have similar amounts of power.

00:38:06.800 In this country, 1% of the population has accumulated more than half of the wealth that

00:38:11.620 exists in this entire population of over 300 million Americans.

00:38:15.520 Americans that are starving, right, and have been starving and have existed in cycles of

00:38:20.560 poverty for years and years and years.

00:38:22.380 That dates back to an era where people were enslaved and didn't have ownership of their

00:38:28.520 work.

00:38:28.960 The people who owned that capital that came from that era have generations and lineages

00:38:35.440 that are still in power and still exist in that 1% today.

00:38:39.100 So what do you think we should do?

00:38:40.080 Should we just get rid of them?

00:38:41.500 Like, what's your solution?

00:38:42.880 This is a really good solution.

00:38:44.060 I think the solution does not lie.

00:38:46.440 Well, this is where you've been calling me a lib this whole time.

00:38:48.840 I hate to say it, but I think I might be a lib.

00:38:50.640 No, not you.

00:38:51.220 Sorry.

00:38:51.520 I think Michael.

00:38:52.220 You've been calling me a lib this whole time.

00:38:53.700 I hate to break it to you.

00:38:54.760 It might be a little bit worse than that.

00:38:57.360 Uh-oh.

00:38:58.100 Uh-oh.

00:38:58.640 What are you?

00:38:59.720 I mean, I would call myself a leftist, meaning that I believe that.

00:39:05.480 Trust me, it's not.

00:39:06.520 I believe that this problem lies beyond party bounds, and it's bigger than that.

00:39:10.840 And I think that this is a problem that has to do with class inequality, that breeds race inequality, that breeds gender inequality.

00:39:17.360 All these things come from the same source, and that is drastic power imbalance.

00:39:21.480 So I completely agree with you, and I think that this problem has nothing to do with red or blue.

00:39:26.160 So I think it has to do with becoming conscious of this fact and banding together.

00:39:30.780 This has to do with all of us.

00:39:31.960 This has nothing to do with red and blue.

00:39:33.040 Great point, and it is weird that I know a lot of people support Trump thinking that it's because you're populist or he's going to be good for the working class.

00:39:40.020 I don't want to spoil what my next claim is.

00:39:42.200 You love spoiling the claims because you keep changing the topic every time we speak.

00:39:45.680 It is weird because Trump just—and her point about the top 1%, it's not that people can't do well, but Trump, in a time of record income inequality, just passed something that gives a trillion just to the top 1% in tax breaks while taking a trillion out of Medicaid.

00:40:03.660 That's not a pro-working class, pro-average American populist thing to do.

00:40:09.020 He's serving the elites, the same billionaires who were all around him at its inauguration.

00:40:12.580 He is their president, and anyone in this audience who still supports him after him screwing you over and taking your money to give it to wealthy people, you're being duped badly.

00:40:21.260 Yeah, it's weird. Massive tax cuts also for working class Americans who voted for Trump in the majority.

00:40:25.960 The poorest Americans lose money and the richest gain in that bill.

00:40:28.780 Yeah, so I've had a couple drinks, so I'm going to keep things high-level, not as deep as last time.

00:40:33.520 That's good.

00:40:34.140 And I also find common-sense questions tend to be the left's cryptonite.

00:40:38.120 I find myself a common-sense individual, which is why I vote Republican.

00:40:42.800 My question is, you've said two things tonight.

00:40:48.480 One, you couldn't go three seconds without saying no kings earlier tonight.

00:40:52.500 And you just brought it up again where you said Trump's evil and took over the government.

00:40:55.940 I find this very ironic and comical because the left tends to just want to continue to give government more power and more power and more power and basically just ask them what they should do with their life and how to pay for it.

00:41:11.040 And you see that with the New York City vote that just happened.

00:41:15.180 And I guess I just want to know where the common sense is coming from on, you can say, no kings to Trump, who, if he was a king, he wouldn't know.

00:41:23.680 He would have just waved the wand and there would have been no government shutdown.

00:41:26.600 And at the same time, ask the government to be bigger and bigger and bigger and solve all your problems for you.

00:41:32.660 Yeah, so Trump keeps expanding the power of the government, too.

00:41:35.100 I mean, he's the most authoritarian president we've had in a really long time.

00:41:38.500 So you don't really care.

00:41:41.500 I'm about to explain it, Bill.

00:41:44.620 OK, sending it.

00:41:46.640 You just asked how.

00:41:49.740 Sending in the military, for example, to America's streets.

00:41:52.680 But where's the common sense?

00:41:54.780 I can tell you where the common sense is.

00:41:56.120 I think we should be allocating our resources to uplifting and economic stimulus, which is why the economy performs better under Democrats, despite the whole monologue that Michael went on.

00:42:05.600 The history lesson he called it.

00:42:06.980 If we lean into demand side, which you had to come up with like a hundred excuses for why Republicans always fail in the economy.

00:42:12.820 But demand side economics where you actually invest, where people are going to spend that dollar the quickest through social programs, people need it instead of just keeping it in an account somewhere.

00:42:21.200 That's actually dollar for dollar way more stimulative.

00:42:23.460 So I think instead of huge tax breaks to the top 1%, I think that we should be allocating those resources to, at the very least, not taking away health care from 16 million Americans.

00:42:34.280 So, I mean, that would be pretty common sense to me, no?

00:42:36.640 Or just funneling it overseas to random non-government organizations, right?

00:42:40.700 So, but what does that have to do with, are you OK with millions of poor Americans losing their health coverage because they want to give tax breaks to the top 1%?

00:42:47.140 Of course not.

00:42:48.000 No, I just, I don't think that happens.

00:42:49.020 Well, then we agree.

00:42:49.760 I don't think that quite happens.

00:42:49.960 And Trump's bill is insane for that.

00:42:51.500 Then we agree.

00:42:51.980 That's awesome.

00:42:52.660 No, I think there's common sense things you can do with every dollar Americans pay.

00:42:56.180 Giving it in the form of more tax breaks to the top 1% when they're richer than ever doesn't seem very common sense.

00:43:00.840 Hey, Luke, is it the top 1% that benefits from no tax on tips?

00:43:05.140 Like, there's probably a lot of social things we disagree on.

00:43:08.220 The cool thing is, I think, on reigning in the power of elites, we should all agree.

00:43:12.120 You're listening about it.

00:43:12.820 Where I disagree is I don't think you have the qualifications or me to talk about fiscal policy at all.

00:43:17.840 Do you know the combined, wait, what'd you say?

00:43:19.180 Sorry.

00:43:19.280 Where we disagree is I don't think I have the qualifications or credentials or you to talk about fiscal policy at all.

00:43:26.820 And you think Trump does?

00:43:28.040 He thinks the word groceries doesn't have to.

00:43:29.960 I agree with that, yeah.

00:43:31.060 He thinks groceries is like a new word that he invented.

00:43:34.500 Yeah.

00:43:37.040 Crickets.

00:43:37.780 Crickets.

00:43:38.360 Okay, next question.

00:43:39.660 If that's not true.

00:43:41.520 My question for Michael is, what watch are you wearing this evening?

00:43:46.400 It's an ad?

00:43:48.280 Now, listen.

00:43:50.080 Listen.

00:43:51.280 I, you know, I'm an author.

00:43:53.680 I am a best-selling author of two books, one that doesn't have any words in it called Reasons to Vote for Democrats.

00:43:59.080 Hold on.

00:44:00.280 I gotta explain it.

00:44:01.240 Reasons to Vote for Democrats, which it's entirely made of blank pages.

00:44:05.760 And I sold a lot of copies.

00:44:07.800 And my thesis is being proven very strong tonight, I think.

00:44:11.140 Then I wrote another book with words that was due on the same day as my baby.

00:44:14.760 And because of the great sale, because Democrats sold so many books for me, and because of the great Trump economy in 2021, I'm wearing a Rolex Datejust.

00:44:24.160 Very nice.

00:44:26.760 So, to be clear, while millions of low-income Americans are losing their health coverage because of Trump's bill, he's getting a lot richer because of that same bill.

00:44:34.500 Illegal aliens might be losing their health coverage, but other Americans are not.

00:44:37.540 That's not true.

00:44:38.160 Real Americans are not.

00:44:38.820 16 million.

00:44:39.600 Next question.

00:44:40.400 Wait, wait, Michael.

00:44:41.600 Enough.

00:44:41.940 Enough from you.

00:44:42.720 Next question.

00:44:43.360 Let's go.

00:44:43.680 12 million American citizens.

00:44:45.500 Do you notice how he can't answer those points?

00:44:47.060 He loves the word alien.

00:44:48.420 Hello, everyone.

00:44:50.020 Thanks so much for taking all of our questions and for having so many interesting things to talk about.

00:44:54.720 But in all of the complexity of conversation, nobody has asked directly, what is capitalism?

00:44:59.940 And can you explain the differences between Democrats and Republican thinking?

00:45:03.560 I want to go.

00:45:05.300 Xena.

00:45:06.300 This is my thing.

00:45:08.120 Everybody.

00:45:09.300 Capitalism is an economic system in which means of production are owned privately.

00:45:13.460 Think of means of production as factories, as land, as the things that we use to create its capital, right?

00:45:19.420 The things that we use to create capital.

00:45:21.340 These things, this means of production are owned by a very small fuel.

00:45:25.720 Not many people own the means of production.

00:45:28.240 Most of us are selling our labor, like, for example, most of you guys have a 9 to 5 that you go and you get a kind of a wage back, right, from capitalists, those who own the means of production.

00:45:38.860 The problem is we assume that people who own the means of production earned that somehow.

00:45:43.300 When really, the people who did first acclaim the majority of these resources, it happened a long time ago and they kept passing it down generations, generations, generations.

00:45:52.480 The problem is people who first came here, they did a lot of bad stuff, they took a lot of land, and their ancestors still owned that land.

00:45:59.800 They were heroes.

00:46:01.100 They were heroes.

00:46:01.920 The people who slaughtered a bunch of people and then took all their land and then started profiting off of it and then also selling people's labor and their livelihoods for money.

00:46:11.180 Those are heroes.

00:46:12.740 Interesting point.

00:46:13.700 The Indians slaughtered a lot of people, too, if we're being totally honest about it.

00:46:16.560 Do we want to compare numbers?

00:46:17.340 I don't think that it would look good, right?

00:46:19.140 Well, we won the wars.

00:46:20.280 Yeah, you won the wars by doing what, Michael?

00:46:23.500 Well, by settling the land and building a great country that you live in and that you prospered.

00:46:27.000 By taking land that people were already living on, by killing them, spreading diseases towards them, and also robbing them.

00:46:32.200 So, yeah.

00:46:32.900 Where did you get that from?

00:46:33.640 That happened all the time.

00:46:35.320 With that being said, that's what capitalism is.

00:46:37.760 I have a question to your point.

00:46:38.700 Republicans and Democrats both support capitalism, right?

00:46:43.640 Of course.

00:46:44.480 But capitalism is a system that is exceedingly failing as the gap between us and the 1% and people who own all this capital continues to increase, increase, increase.

00:46:54.260 What's going to happen, especially as AI comes along that continues to be able to do your job, is that 1% of the population is going to own all that AI that can do your jobs.

00:47:01.700 And what happens then when they can create the labor and supply it for themselves?

00:47:06.660 Where does your job go?

00:47:07.360 Okay, Zina, I have a question for your point.

00:47:08.440 So you say that capitalism is where the means of production are owned privately.

00:47:13.180 Yes.

00:47:13.300 I agree with that.

00:47:13.920 And you say that a very, very small number of people own the means of production.

00:47:17.780 So my question to you is, how many Americans invest in the stock market?

00:47:22.040 How many Americans have the means to invest in the stock market?

00:47:25.520 How many Americans have the capital to invest in the stock market?

00:47:30.020 What's the answer?

00:47:31.940 Majority of the Americans are broke.

00:47:33.900 What is the answer?

00:47:34.780 What percentage of Americans invest in the stock market?

00:47:37.300 Not many because not many.

00:47:38.400 62%?

00:47:39.420 So most Americans own the means of production.

00:47:40.980 And how many Americans are profiting significantly from the stock market?

00:47:46.560 62% because we have the highest stock market ever under Donald Trump.

00:47:49.160 That doesn't mean that everyone is profiting from the stock market.

00:47:51.440 They are.

00:47:51.800 Everyone is invested in it.

00:47:52.700 Everyone is invested in the S&P.

00:47:54.140 Dude, that was a horrible...

00:47:55.620 It is time for round three.

00:47:58.620 Michael, Michael.

00:48:00.020 Who won the round?

00:48:01.800 Oh, who won the round?

00:48:02.980 I thought it was a given.

00:48:04.020 I thought it was a given.

00:48:04.820 Okay.

00:48:06.480 I'm seeing a lot.

00:48:07.620 Okay, I'm seeing a lot of red.

00:48:08.660 That's great.

00:48:09.280 Thank you.

00:48:09.700 Appreciate that.

00:48:10.420 Who wins the VIP round?

00:48:14.540 I'm going to say...

00:48:15.980 The watch guy.

00:48:16.580 The watch guy wins it because he has good taste.

00:48:21.080 Where's the watch guy?

00:48:23.760 And now, without further ado, it's time for round three.

00:48:28.520 Okay, I'm going to go first on this one because I don't know if this is going to be a winner,

00:48:40.660 and I think I'm actually on the lib side for this one, but I'm right.

00:48:43.080 Okay, my argument is, my argument is, they know it.

00:48:49.120 They see it coming.

00:48:50.640 They read my Twitter.

00:48:51.920 I think that HOAs are awesome, and I love them, and I hate the audience.

00:48:56.920 I could have been dragged out of here and filmed by the audience.

00:49:03.900 Okay.

00:49:04.480 All right, Zena.

00:49:05.940 All right, listen, guys.

00:49:07.500 We've already done my third topic.

00:49:09.440 Let's get back to toxic masculinity again, am I right?

00:49:12.800 We've already done it.

00:49:15.520 Come on, people.

00:49:18.900 All right.

00:49:19.240 Okay.

00:49:19.600 We've got a bar full of people, and you want us to debate HOAs.

00:49:25.400 And how awesome they are.

00:49:27.220 It got them rowdier than anything tonight.

00:49:32.200 Okay, my third claim is Trump hates the working class.

00:49:34.940 You get the gist on that one.

00:49:39.480 That fired him up a little bit, too.

00:49:42.580 I don't...

00:49:43.380 Mr. Davies, who was it?

00:49:44.880 Toxic masculinity.

00:49:45.740 It's tough because I'm in the corner.

00:49:46.880 I feel like I'm getting biased because I've got to be, like, right in the middle for the decibel here.

00:49:49.960 What does it sound like in the middle of the room?

00:49:51.580 Do I have more time?

00:49:52.220 Toxic masculinity.

00:49:53.760 Toxic masculinity.

00:49:57.720 But I wanted to go back to...

00:49:59.260 No, enough.

00:50:00.560 We have enough in our culture.

00:50:02.300 I kind of felt like Luke's topic won it.

00:50:04.800 Trump hates the working class.

00:50:05.940 No, you agree?

00:50:06.980 No, all right.

00:50:07.460 You'll disagree.

00:50:07.960 That's fine.

00:50:08.320 You want to do toxic masculinity?

00:50:10.340 Yes!

00:50:10.960 All right, that's fine.

00:50:11.800 All right, Zena, what's your point?

00:50:13.200 Listen, men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women, and the CDC attributes

00:50:20.400 this to hyper-toxic masculine norms that have been spread amongst Western society.

00:50:26.820 So what we're seeing right now is that...

00:50:29.300 And listen, where are all the men out here?

00:50:31.280 I want to hear it from the men out here.

00:50:32.860 Where are the men?

00:50:33.820 All right?

00:50:34.420 This is a woman, this is a feminist, right, arguing for you.

00:50:40.620 I don't like that you guys are not allowed to express your emotions.

00:50:44.480 I don't like the times that you feel insecure or sadder, and you can't express that.

00:50:50.600 Where does that energy go?

00:50:51.720 Oftentimes, that leads to men's deaths in bars when they feel this pent-up anger that they

00:50:58.580 can't release in normal, regulated ways.

00:51:00.800 And I don't think that's okay.

00:51:01.640 A lot of men are turning to these podcasters who tell them these narratives about how women

00:51:05.940 are out to get them.

00:51:07.760 And that's actually what's inhibiting you from getting laid, let me tell you.

00:51:12.240 True.

00:51:12.620 Okay?

00:51:13.020 Women don't like that.

00:51:14.920 What I'm telling...

00:51:15.780 Let's be honest.

00:51:16.600 Within the context of marriage, she meant.

00:51:18.240 Let's be honest.

00:51:18.920 I think that's what she meant.

00:51:19.740 Let's be honest.

00:51:20.740 Let's be honest.

00:51:21.680 Let's be honest.

00:51:22.500 You want to get laid, and you don't want to be sad?

00:51:25.040 You don't want to be a hyper-toxic man.

00:51:28.080 That's my case.

00:51:29.540 I think it's a pretty good one.

00:51:30.660 Okay, so we got to drill down.

00:51:33.780 What do you mean?

00:51:34.520 It's a very loaded term.

00:51:35.660 What do you mean by toxic masculinity?

00:51:37.740 I think toxic masculinity is an accumulation of norms that say things like men should never

00:51:42.180 be allowed to cry.

00:51:43.660 It's a sign of total weakness.

00:51:45.760 It's a failure on a man's part.

00:51:47.360 Okay.

00:51:47.520 A lot of people say that.

00:51:49.000 In fact, podcasters with millions of followers say that.

00:51:51.600 Okay, now I have a question for you.

00:51:52.840 So that's a good place to start.

00:51:54.640 Yeah.

00:51:54.780 So you're saying men shouldn't repress their emotions, and they should have some feels.

00:51:58.080 Okay.

00:51:58.540 So curiously enough, there was a study in 2021 at UCLA.

00:52:03.780 Oh, no.

00:52:03.940 And the study, I said, uh-oh, no science here.

00:52:07.020 I don't trust your science.

00:52:08.060 And it measured emotional repression in men and what that does.

00:52:11.720 And what it found out is that emotional repression in men is not correlated really with bad outcomes.

00:52:17.560 It's correlated with better executive function.

00:52:19.720 It's correlated with better goal-orientedness.

00:52:22.520 It's correlated with better satisfaction.

00:52:24.020 This was backed up in 2023 by a study out of Germany, which showed that emotional repression in men was associated with greater relaxation and less stress throughout all points of the study.

00:52:35.640 Okay, so you're telling me that suppressing your nervous system and not regulating your-

00:52:40.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:41.500 So, you know, your emotions have to do with your nervous system.

00:52:43.680 Yeah, but they're more than your nervous system.

00:52:44.920 Right?

00:52:45.000 So, yeah.

00:52:45.260 Because we're more than flesh.

00:52:45.840 But that's a component.

00:52:46.840 So why did you say no?

00:52:48.160 Anyway.

00:52:48.380 Because we're more than flesh.

00:52:48.740 So with that being said, so you're saying that suppressing your emotions and not releasing them,

00:52:53.720 which means emotional dysregulation is better-

00:52:55.960 No, that means emotional regulation.

00:52:57.620 No, no, that means emotional dysregulation.

00:52:59.180 Emotional repression is emotional dysregulation.

00:53:01.360 No, no, no.

00:53:01.680 It's quite the opposite.

00:53:02.560 Do you know what a most-

00:53:03.540 It's regulation, obviously, yeah.

00:53:06.040 Women and men are different on a mosaic basis.

00:53:09.160 A lot of the traits that men exhibit in the brain are very similar to the traits that women have.

00:53:14.200 And the vast differences in violence that are perpetuated against men cannot be explained by the differences that come from the brain.

00:53:21.420 Biologists and psychologists agree on this.

00:53:23.940 What's happening is that norms in society reinforce negative behavior from men.

00:53:28.560 And once again, CDC agrees with me.

00:53:31.280 Right?

00:53:31.500 So, again, when you call emotional repression emotional regulation, you're committing a fallacy that's not only harmful, but damaging.

00:53:38.960 Let's just try to define our terms then.

00:53:40.660 Because that's fair.

00:53:41.160 Of course.

00:53:41.240 It seems to me that when I really want to have an outburst, I want to yell, I want to cry, I want to beat the table with my emotions.

00:53:46.960 If I suppress that, and if I say, no, Michael, don't do that, you're going to look ridiculous, you're going to look like you're on the other side of the aisle, then what I am doing is I am controlling my emotions.

00:53:55.420 In other words, and when you control something, you are regulating that thing.

00:53:59.020 That's regulation, that's not repression.

00:54:01.240 But you said emotion.

00:54:02.100 I'm saying that's emotional regulation, and you said it's the opposite.

00:54:04.560 So, right, so you cited some study, which I'm going to have to look up after this, right, that says that emotional repression is somehow emotional regulation, which is not true.

00:54:14.220 Repression is something entirely—

00:54:14.660 No, no, no, it doesn't say that.

00:54:15.800 Emotional repression is entirely different.

00:54:17.960 If you're talking about emotional regulation—

00:54:18.460 You just agreed with me that regulation is when you control something.

00:54:21.640 Yeah, yeah, and you said repression at first.

00:54:23.160 But not with your emotions.

00:54:24.220 Repression is entirely different, right?

00:54:26.120 I'm talking about these ideas of men not being able to exhibit emotions like sadness.

00:54:30.620 Sadness is an important emotion that all humans, regardless of sex, experience.

00:54:35.220 Can everyone agree that sadness is a normal human emotion?

00:54:38.220 Yes.

00:54:38.460 We feel sadness.

00:54:40.000 Okay, perfect.

00:54:40.680 So when you experience sadness, it doesn't mean that we need to have an outburst every single time.

00:54:45.360 There are many different ways to regulate your nervous system.

00:54:47.200 That includes deep breaths.

00:54:48.660 But that doesn't mean that you should go your entire life as a male without crying.

00:54:53.060 That is not normal, and it is unhuman.

00:54:55.200 No one says you can never cry.

00:54:56.660 A lot of people say that.

00:54:57.420 Okay, so let me just say, I think a part of what you're talking about is there is a group—

00:55:03.360 Oh, is there more drinks for me?

00:55:04.940 Yes.

00:55:05.480 You're too.

00:55:05.740 Another one?

00:55:07.260 There is a—

00:55:08.740 The real all-stars of the night right there.

00:55:13.040 This is for you, Michael.

00:55:13.940 There is a group of influencers who try to tell a generation of young men that the source of their problem—

00:55:20.480 Just let me get through this, and I'm going to throw it to you.

00:55:22.200 I didn't interrupt.

00:55:23.040 What is he like he was at me for?

00:55:24.200 I didn't interrupt at all.

00:55:25.140 Just, you know, getting prepared.

00:55:27.420 That the source of men's problem is that women—

00:55:30.800 Like, for example, on Tucker Carlson's recent interview with Nick Fuentes,

00:55:33.840 Nick said the source of men not being able to find relationships is women, essentially, are the problem,

00:55:39.100 and they're getting too loud or whatever.

00:55:41.940 So I'd be curious to ask you, because there's, you know, a little bit of a debate on your side.

00:55:45.740 Where do you stand on Nick Fuentes?

00:55:47.300 He's not like my best buddy, I guess you would have to say.

00:55:52.940 Yeah, I wouldn't say we get along very well.

00:55:55.240 Oh, good.

00:55:56.360 No.

00:55:57.360 Wait, wait.

00:55:58.180 But he has half a point on the women, which is that the problems in relationships are basically half caused by women and half caused by men.

00:56:04.180 I never hear the problems about the guys.

00:56:06.780 That's the problem.

00:56:07.780 There is—

00:56:08.260 You've got to listen more closely.

00:56:09.200 There is a whole message about how I guess they've just become too liberal or they're taking birth control and sleeping around the town too much.

00:56:17.040 And I think that a message to men about taking ownership, becoming better men, and becoming more appealing in the world is much more compelling

00:56:23.660 than this sort of Nick Fuentes does about how, oh, it said, oh, woe is me.

00:56:29.100 My whole life is so hard getting girls.

00:56:31.160 I mean, over the half of the people in this bar are women.

00:56:34.220 And I'm sure a lot of us recognize there are a lot of problems with the dating pool nowadays.

00:56:41.280 I mean, like a lot of things that women can express that we have issues with coming from men,

00:56:45.560 but we don't take this drastic stance that men are the root of all evil and they're destroying the world.

00:56:52.240 I mean, clearly, I don't think that's any of our position.

00:56:54.160 So it's really interesting that these incels and these podcasters are making the exact opposite point.

00:56:59.900 And it's actually getting to the point where we're seeing men in bursts of anger, again, getting to my point,

00:57:05.900 going out and actually killing women out of anger.

00:57:08.840 We're seeing influxes of these cases, especially since, you know, recent events.

00:57:12.960 That's not okay.

00:57:13.900 I thought you, didn't you just say men kill themselves at a much higher rate than women and men die earlier?

00:57:18.320 Here's the funny thing.

00:57:19.600 Here's the thing.

00:57:20.500 Men kill themselves and other men and disproportionately kill women as well.

00:57:25.060 So when it comes to killing, men, they top the charts.

00:57:27.840 That's the problem.

00:57:28.440 Yeah, men are more violent and stronger than women.

00:57:30.480 We love them.

00:57:30.980 We're big on, we love men.

00:57:32.060 Me and Luke are besties.

00:57:33.260 We love men.

00:57:33.700 I just don't want y'all to misconstrue.

00:57:35.180 We just want them to take ownership, but we love them.

00:57:37.400 Right.

00:57:37.720 Yeah, I don't know.

00:57:38.380 Men.

00:57:38.960 So, look, in defense of some of the reactions to feminism that you're pointing out,

00:57:43.800 I think for a lot of men, obviously, anything that's toxic is bad for you, so no one likes that.

00:57:48.480 But you have to drill down.

00:57:49.600 So, like, to the point when you said that, well, toxic masculinity is when you, you know, don't cry a lot or whatever.

00:57:54.200 I say, well, actually, no, it's actually good for men to control themselves.

00:57:57.280 That's a healthy masculinity.

00:57:59.160 And I think a lot of what men are feeling, especially young men are feeling, is they've been told for their whole lives that they've been told from their teachers, from the media, from the government, that they are evil.

00:58:06.960 That there's something wrong with them and that they need to be more effeminate and that they need to be less manly.

00:58:12.440 So, I think so.

00:58:13.200 You can deny it, but I think they've heard that.

00:58:16.200 Luke gets to finish his point.

00:58:17.600 I think this bell is rigged.

00:58:18.400 He started talking.

00:58:19.140 I'm going to carry that around every time I'm around Luke, actually.

00:58:23.940 You can finish your point.

00:58:25.240 What?

00:58:25.740 I can.

00:58:26.400 Yes.

00:58:26.700 Oh, good.

00:58:27.400 No, I agree.

00:58:28.240 Did you have a point?

00:58:28.500 I mean, you shouldn't be telling men, you don't need to be more feminine, be whatever you are.

00:58:31.800 But I think it's more like there is a whole group of people saying women should go back to being men's property.

00:58:37.520 So, you denounce that, right?

00:58:39.100 What?

00:58:40.340 I think they should go back to being our wives.

00:58:42.960 I think that's a good idea.

00:58:43.820 See, you don't even answer.

00:58:44.680 It's so sad.

00:58:45.600 Yeah, I don't think there should be property.

00:58:46.860 I think there should be wives.

00:58:47.520 Oh, good job.

00:58:48.040 It's more fun to have a wife than property.

00:58:49.840 Yes.

00:58:50.120 Well, that's what your friends are saying.

00:58:52.200 How are you?

00:58:53.380 I'm great.

00:58:53.800 I also would love to talk about how Nick Fuentes is, but first we need to talk about how HOAs are, actually.

00:59:00.320 Hey!

00:59:00.800 Now that is...

00:59:02.860 It's a more pressing point immediately to my family.

00:59:06.640 Actually, my family all lives in Pennsylvania.

00:59:08.120 I'm alone.

00:59:09.020 But regardless.

00:59:09.980 Okay.

00:59:10.140 Michael Knowles, give me your case for HOAs.

00:59:15.460 HOAs.

00:59:16.080 This is what...

00:59:16.720 Now, you're going to hate me for this.

00:59:17.860 I don't care.

00:59:18.820 Okay, they hated him because he spoke the truth, and I'm telling you the truth here.

00:59:22.080 The HOA is a dividing line between the real conservatives and the libertarians.

00:59:29.040 The L.

00:59:29.320 Gay.

00:59:29.900 Gay.

00:59:30.540 Guys, let me tell you why.

00:59:32.060 Let me tell you why.

00:59:33.320 They say, oh, you like HOAs.

00:59:35.340 You're a communist.

00:59:36.220 Well, I'm not a communist.

00:59:37.340 I don't want to live in a commune.

00:59:38.400 I want to live in a nice neighborhood.

00:59:40.560 And standards are good.

00:59:42.860 I don't want to walk outside my house and see some ugly, stupid, lib Lego house that

00:59:47.440 they keep building.

00:59:48.200 I don't want to see some dumb pride flag.

00:59:50.580 I don't want to see any of that.

00:59:52.200 Okay?

00:59:52.740 And so I like local governance to say, no, we have standards in this neighborhood.

00:59:57.560 I don't want them to build some monstrosity next to me.

00:59:59.940 All home renovations make the homes worse 100% of the time these days because people don't

01:00:04.660 have taste.

01:00:05.120 I want, I want the, not just merely the individual liberty, really licentiousness to put up a

01:00:11.500 bunch of dumb signs in my yard.

01:00:12.860 I want the exalted liberty to live in a beautiful neighborhood.

01:00:16.380 And when my neighbors want to screw up my view, I can tell them no.

01:00:20.140 And I bring down the full force of Francisco Franco upon them.

01:00:24.860 Okay.

01:00:26.100 That's awesome.

01:00:27.600 So if I have the obligation to obey the HOA, does the HOA have the obligation to subsidize

01:00:35.120 my obligation?

01:00:36.660 No, you, in fact, you have to pay taxes to the HOA.

01:00:39.560 So I just, I just need, I just need to pay them to obey what, what the laws that they

01:00:45.800 set out.

01:00:46.520 Yeah.

01:00:46.640 And that you set out.

01:00:47.820 Actually, no.

01:00:48.320 Because you could run the HOA.

01:00:48.620 As a member of my HOA, correct.

01:00:50.240 I mean, like, look, I, like, after reconverting to Catholicism, I am no longer libertarian.

01:00:55.920 No longer libertarian.

01:00:57.220 You're about to be HOA-pilled fast.

01:01:00.280 Catholicism is the first step to taking the H-pill.

01:01:03.400 I do have an HOA and they do subsidize, like, tons of stuff.

01:01:08.080 But I also live in a condo.

01:01:10.180 So, like, that kind of relationship makes a lot of sense.

01:01:14.080 Yeah, it does.

01:01:14.380 But if I'm talking about, like, a home in a development.

01:01:18.540 Yeah.

01:01:19.180 Like, if someone is going to tell me, oh, your grass has to be this height.

01:01:24.160 Like, I don't know, you're going to effing mow it for me if I'm a single mom with nine

01:01:27.540 kids?

01:01:28.280 Obviously, that's an extreme example.

01:01:29.840 But you know what I mean.

01:01:30.700 Yeah.

01:01:31.000 Well, listen, think about it the other way, though.

01:01:32.420 Everyone always thinks of it as, I'm being controlled by the HOA and I can't screw up

01:01:36.420 my house and put up a dumb pride flag or whatever.

01:01:38.320 But think about it the other way.

01:01:39.560 You get to control your neighbors and you get to make sure that, like, crazy libs don't

01:01:44.340 move into your neighborhood and they don't build a bunch of monstrosities next to you

01:01:47.840 that make your life worse every time you open your window.

01:01:50.280 I'm a great neighbor.

01:01:51.540 I want you to know that.

01:01:52.540 I'm a little sick of this.

01:01:53.640 I'm a little sick of this.

01:01:54.920 But I did.

01:01:55.820 He told me we were going to do HOA, so I looked up some stuff about HOAs that I didn't

01:01:59.260 know, right?

01:01:59.740 And now I'm very passionate that I'm against you.

01:02:02.900 No!

01:02:03.460 You're a despicable person!

01:02:04.920 No!

01:02:05.180 I thought...

01:02:05.700 I'm sick and tired of you!

01:02:06.480 I thought we were on the same side here.

01:02:08.820 No, I'm not.

01:02:10.520 Now, the main problem, I think, is that they...

01:02:12.600 So it starts with a developer, right?

01:02:14.080 Then they hand it over to some group of homeowners.

01:02:17.220 Some Karen!

01:02:18.400 Some Karen!

01:02:19.160 Some stupid Karen!

01:02:20.640 Thank you!

01:02:21.300 And the problem with it, the reason people don't like it is all the homeowners don't actually

01:02:25.220 get a say in it.

01:02:26.340 A lot of these HOAs have, like, three board members for a bunch of homes, and then they

01:02:30.180 just lord over everyone.

01:02:31.600 And no one wants that, because this is America!

01:02:38.060 But with that being said, there should be HOAs.

01:02:42.460 They should just be democratic among all the homeowners.

01:02:44.280 It seems the masses are turning blue.

01:02:48.980 I don't know.

01:02:49.140 Hold on, are you...

01:02:49.960 Now, what side are you on to see?

01:02:51.260 Don't fence it on an important question like the HOAs.

01:02:55.600 Where do I stand on HOAs?

01:02:56.920 You're with me, and you know it.

01:02:58.020 You just don't want to admit it.

01:02:59.240 You don't want to admit it.

01:03:00.960 It's interesting, because I'm a person of the people.

01:03:04.160 So it's like, whatever the people want...

01:03:05.780 You're going to become a Republican to pander to the people, to the libertarians.

01:03:09.280 I mean, hey, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm a grifter, but, like, I mean, no.

01:03:12.720 No, no, no, no, no.

01:03:14.280 I would say, you know, I mean, I don't live in a lot of communities where I'm very scared

01:03:21.800 of my neighbors, like, putting up something that I'm so afraid of that it's, like, going

01:03:25.440 to, like, lower the value.

01:03:26.440 We love pride flags.

01:03:28.420 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:29.280 Like, put up the pride flag.

01:03:30.740 I mean, that's personally me.

01:03:31.780 I know the audience is like, that's where I cross a line.

01:03:34.800 Sure, there you go.

01:03:35.220 You know, you're crossing a line there.

01:03:36.560 There you go.

01:03:37.160 I'm crossing a line there.

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01:04:51.940 Next question.

01:04:52.960 I need us to start applauding for the lib topics, because I listen to Michael talk every

01:04:57.580 day, so I know what he thinks.

01:04:58.860 I want to know what he thinks against what they think.

01:05:01.260 Right!

01:05:01.620 So please help me out.

01:05:02.800 We're not cheering for them, we're cheering for their topics.

01:05:05.000 I don't think that was clearly communicated before.

01:05:07.960 And you listen every day, I love that.

01:05:09.800 That's great.

01:05:10.540 I tell people that Michael Knowles is my internet dad.

01:05:13.220 Stop it.

01:05:13.600 When I don't know what to do, I just listen to Michael Knowles and he tells me what to

01:05:16.680 do.

01:05:17.020 Something's wrong with you.

01:05:18.020 That's great.

01:05:19.300 Well, the only thing is I'm not Catholic, so I'm sorry.

01:05:22.940 Not yet.

01:05:23.680 But hey, that's good.

01:05:24.440 I'll take it.

01:05:25.000 That's good.

01:05:25.440 We all love Jesus.

01:05:26.520 All right.

01:05:27.080 So my question is for you.

01:05:29.500 I am a recently converted financial professional.

01:05:32.160 I was a studio art major at Liberty University, lost my job unexpectedly, and then girlbossed

01:05:37.240 my way into finance.

01:05:38.420 I'm surrounded by men all the time.

01:05:40.140 They talk about football.

01:05:41.220 I don't know what the heck's going on most of the time.

01:05:42.960 But I do know that there are two ETFs that people love.

01:05:47.300 The Nancy Pelosi one, N-A-N-C, and the Cruz one, K-R-U-Z.

01:05:52.640 Since inception, 2023, Nancy Pelosi's ETF has a return of 19%.

01:05:57.340 The Cruz one only has like 13% to 60% range since inception.

01:06:03.160 My question is, your claim before was that Republicans are what for the economy?

01:06:09.000 Better.

01:06:09.360 Oh, worse.

01:06:10.360 Better?

01:06:11.380 That's a Freudian slip.

01:06:12.840 That's called a Freudian slip is what that's called.

01:06:14.660 Uh-oh.

01:06:15.160 Well, here's my question.

01:06:16.920 If Republicans are worse for the economy, then how come Nancy Pelosi's tracker is doing

01:06:23.160 so much better than the Republican one?

01:06:24.940 By almost 3 or 6%.

01:06:26.140 Because Democrats are better at the economy.

01:06:28.280 That's why.

01:06:29.520 No, because I think that they're...

01:06:31.400 They're better at speculation.

01:06:32.480 Is insider trading better for the economy?

01:06:35.340 Insider trading corrupt information?

01:06:37.040 Yeah, so insider trading is horrible.

01:06:38.420 I think Nancy Pelosi shouldn't be able to do that.

01:06:40.320 I think every member of Congress shouldn't be able to do that, obviously.

01:06:42.480 Then maybe we're more American than anything.

01:06:45.160 Okay, wait.

01:06:46.100 Democrats have been fighting for that a heck of a lot longer than Republicans have.

01:06:49.760 And the reason I don't like it is because it could lead to corruption, which is also

01:06:53.420 why I don't like Trump's meme coin, his UA, etc.

01:06:58.720 His UA what?

01:06:59.800 His AI, I should say his AI chips deal.

01:07:01.980 Okay.

01:07:02.720 With the UAE.

01:07:03.900 And his open brazen corruption with funneling money to...

01:07:08.520 So it's the same reason I don't like the Pelosi stuff or anyone else.

01:07:12.740 Using their insider information, I think it should be banned.

01:07:14.760 I don't think Trump would ever sign that into law.

01:07:16.620 I don't think Trump should be profiting off of his presidency either.

01:07:19.780 So do you think...

01:07:20.520 That's a very reasonable point.

01:07:21.800 But do you think...

01:07:22.860 Like with Pelosi, I think we're all just admitting she obviously insider trades and

01:07:26.880 it's totally ridiculous.

01:07:27.900 It's too good.

01:07:28.700 People put that in their 401ks and they're making so much money.

01:07:31.920 She's like the best hedge fund manager in the country.

01:07:33.760 But with Trump, it's not to say that there aren't questions about...

01:07:37.640 Obviously, he's an international businessman.

01:07:39.220 He has the crypto thing.

01:07:40.040 He has all that.

01:07:40.680 I'm just saying...

01:07:41.260 You're against it, though.

01:07:41.960 You can't be against it for Pelosi and then for Trump?

01:07:44.460 No, no.

01:07:44.700 I guess...

01:07:45.180 I think what Pelosi is doing is illegal for every American other than members of Congress.

01:07:50.040 Right.

01:07:50.280 And what Trump is doing is really not illegal in any way.

01:07:54.720 What?

01:07:54.880 So you might say you don't like it.

01:07:56.480 You might say we should pass laws against it.

01:07:57.960 No, there's plenty of laws.

01:07:59.160 Isn't it also true that Trump is the only president to take a pay cut in office?

01:08:02.720 No, that's not true.

01:08:04.180 He's making it so much right now.

01:08:06.460 I'm just an art major, dude.

01:08:07.740 I don't know.

01:08:09.280 His net worth is increased by billions just since he got novice.

01:08:11.940 So, I mean, just be consistent.

01:08:13.320 I've been very consistent.

01:08:14.360 Be consistent.

01:08:15.060 I am being consistent.

01:08:15.720 Obviously, if you did one story about Hunter Biden, you better be a hundred times as outraged

01:08:21.520 at Trump going, getting the UAE to invest billions, make his world, literally financial billions

01:08:28.900 in a business deal.

01:08:29.740 And then immediately, all of a sudden, he releases the restrictions on the AI chips that

01:08:33.860 they really wanted, which could then get into China's hands because he was enriched.

01:08:38.900 Same thing with the Binance guy.

01:08:40.640 He ends up pardoning the guy after Binance makes a bunch of money for world liberty financial.

01:08:45.940 That's brazen corruption, right?

01:08:48.760 Yeah, I guess my point is on some of these, no, you know, a lot of these financial dealings

01:08:56.320 of Trump, a lot of it occurred during the interregnum.

01:08:58.800 You know, the crypto thing occurred before he was brought in.

01:09:00.800 No, no, not the UAE deal.

01:09:02.120 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:09:02.700 I thought you brought up crypto earlier, which is usually the one that most people point

01:09:05.680 to.

01:09:05.820 I'm saying, how could you justify someone giving benefits to either people through pardons

01:09:10.060 or countries through restriction relief after that country or that person enriches his

01:09:16.700 family to the tune of billions?

01:09:17.780 Yeah, listen, I think that President Trump has done a very good job being an international

01:09:22.140 businessman, leveraging relationships for the good of the United States.

01:09:25.540 I think that's true.

01:09:26.480 And what I also think...

01:09:27.600 How could you be...

01:09:28.000 Wait, were you ever mad about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden?

01:09:30.380 Yeah, I was mad that the Biden family sold American influence and fired a Ukrainian official

01:09:36.100 in order to enrich his son.

01:09:37.720 Yeah, I think those are different.

01:09:39.720 Biden was...

01:09:41.920 You never found evidence linking him to Hunter, but even so...

01:09:44.960 You never found evidence.

01:09:45.780 The money went straight to his house.

01:09:47.160 That's not true.

01:09:48.080 It did.

01:09:48.840 It did.

01:09:48.880 It broke his speech.

01:09:49.700 Except for a reimbursement of a loan.

01:09:51.020 But after all of y'all made of that, a whole big scandal, and then Trump takes all over

01:09:57.220 and there's no ambiguity.

01:09:58.800 There's no...

01:09:59.180 And his sons are going around the world making a bunch of money for his family.

01:10:02.100 And then he's trading favors...

01:10:04.020 Yeah, listen.

01:10:04.520 He has a very successful business and his sons are businessmen.

01:10:06.900 So that's...

01:10:07.440 That's, I guess...

01:10:07.980 Do you take back everything about Hunter?

01:10:09.260 Certainly not.

01:10:09.960 That was brazen corruption.

01:10:10.900 Why?

01:10:11.120 What's the difference?

01:10:11.700 This is the...

01:10:12.260 What's the difference?

01:10:13.340 Here's the difference.

01:10:14.660 Here's the difference.

01:10:15.660 Eric and Donald Trump Jr.

01:10:17.240 Someone in the crowd, I'd love to hear you explain that.

01:10:19.160 You're so loud and proud, you don't know what you're talking about.

01:10:20.740 Here's the difference.

01:10:21.440 Eric and Donald Trump Jr. have very long-standing business careers long before Donald Trump entered

01:10:24.820 office.

01:10:24.920 They don't have specific deals with people who need something from the government.

01:10:27.780 They have new deals.

01:10:28.940 He doesn't want me to answer the question.

01:10:30.480 He doesn't want me to answer the question.

01:10:32.100 You know what I'm talking about.

01:10:33.080 Trump...

01:10:33.540 You know what?

01:10:34.340 I can tell you the difference if you want.

01:10:36.080 You know what Trump's doing?

01:10:36.980 He doesn't need big tech to censor or whatever.

01:10:39.460 He's censoring the media himself.

01:10:42.980 Yes, he is.

01:10:44.460 Wait.

01:10:45.400 We've got it.

01:10:46.140 Yes, he is.

01:10:47.480 All right.

01:10:48.280 Wait, let me just add one thing.

01:10:49.200 Luke successfully filibustered on the Trump point.

01:10:51.460 I just want to add one thing.

01:10:52.940 Yeah, I think it's pretty clear.

01:10:54.700 I think it's pretty clear who won that round, but I...

01:10:58.480 You know, I won't even...

01:10:59.660 Oh, yes.

01:11:00.700 In terms of us, who won the round?

01:11:02.760 Wow.

01:11:03.280 You know, I thought I was going to lose that because of the HOA thing.

01:11:05.980 It is still red.

01:11:07.200 That's awesome.

01:11:07.620 We have two libertarians up front who are disagreeing with me, but the rest understand...

01:11:13.060 Oh, that was about HOA.

01:11:14.660 It was HOA.

01:11:16.680 I think, obviously, you know who wins the question round?

01:11:19.260 Wait.

01:11:20.400 You know, it's so clear.

01:11:21.440 My daughter, obviously, won the question round.

01:11:24.100 Great job.

01:11:25.120 Great job, sweetie.

01:11:26.440 That was great.

01:11:26.880 The only thing is, Michael, though, Michael, I do have a question for you and your daughter,

01:11:31.660 though.

01:11:32.020 I mean...

01:11:32.340 And my daughter.

01:11:32.840 She explained that she switched from being an art student to, I believe, getting into

01:11:37.320 finance, right?

01:11:38.060 I mean, according to you, shouldn't she be training to be a wife?

01:11:41.520 Well...

01:11:42.080 I don't know.

01:11:42.560 All ladies are training to be wives unless they're training for religious vocations or

01:11:45.740 a sort of consecrated single life.

01:11:47.080 But isn't it kind of...

01:11:47.880 But in the meantime, it's wonderful.

01:11:49.280 Isn't it kind of...

01:11:50.280 Practical skills to manage the home economy as well as artistic skills to promote the

01:11:54.760 leisure of the household?

01:11:55.680 Isn't it kind of feminist of her to pursue, not be occupation?

01:11:58.760 I mean, isn't that a man's role?

01:12:00.060 No, listen.

01:12:00.480 It's very conservative to deal in the practical realities of a world.

01:12:03.660 And she's a very young, lovely lady.

01:12:05.380 So you do think...

01:12:05.660 And when she gets married, perhaps her career will change.

01:12:07.620 Should women have occupations and pursue occupations in the workforce?

01:12:11.240 Or should they be...

01:12:12.140 Generally speaking, and surveys reflect this and common sense reflects this, women tend

01:12:16.660 to be happier raising a family than working in the Wichita factory, generally speaking.

01:12:21.580 Generally.

01:12:21.820 You should be...

01:12:22.540 You should drop out, according to Michael.

01:12:24.240 I mean, how does that feel?

01:12:25.240 I'm not saying women should get married at like 12 or drop out of school or something,

01:12:28.000 too.

01:12:28.200 I mean, Michael is saying that you shouldn't pursue an occupation.

01:12:30.380 You'd be happier being a wife.

01:12:31.380 That's not what I said.

01:12:31.700 She's totally misstating what I said.

01:12:33.500 I mean, no, no.

01:12:34.180 You explained that women are happier being mothers, so they should stick to being mothers,

01:12:38.300 right?

01:12:38.640 This is a very young, lovely woman.

01:12:40.100 I mean, can you answer the question?

01:12:40.780 She might not have missed her right here.

01:12:41.480 Can you answer the question?

01:12:42.560 I am answering the question.

01:12:43.920 I don't think women should get married, you know, right when they pop out of the womb.

01:12:46.880 I mean, there are other things to do.

01:12:47.860 You can...

01:12:48.180 They go to school.

01:12:49.200 Let me...

01:12:49.460 They can work jobs for a while.

01:12:50.520 Let me be...

01:12:50.980 Let me be clear.

01:12:51.660 So, before I have a family, I'm allowed to have a job, but then once I have a family,

01:12:54.900 I'm not allowed anymore.

01:12:55.540 No, you're allowed.

01:12:56.340 It just probably will not make you quite as happy as raising a family.

01:12:59.360 I mean, I just want to know, like, for the women in here, like, once you have a family,

01:13:02.540 do you plan on, like, quitting, like, your job and then just...

01:13:07.200 A lot of people...

01:13:08.540 So, we're getting a little...

01:13:09.460 A couple of mixed opinions.

01:13:10.980 I mean, I just...

01:13:11.660 My husband can't.

01:13:12.580 I can't do my work.

01:13:14.600 And that's right!

01:13:16.400 And that's right!

01:13:17.700 I mean, I just think it's kind of ridiculous to...

01:13:19.280 Still maintains the principle, though.

01:13:20.360 I think it's kind of ridiculous to assume that women's sole function as a contributing

01:13:24.760 member of society is to stay at home.

01:13:27.860 I think that women are...

01:13:28.520 I never said that.

01:13:29.020 I think...

01:13:29.580 I think that women...

01:13:31.120 I think...

01:13:32.020 I think...

01:13:32.660 I think that women are duplicitous, and we can thrive in so many different domains.

01:13:36.120 Are duplicitous?

01:13:37.380 Yeah.

01:13:37.860 That means, like, deceitful and two-faced.

01:13:40.180 No, no.

01:13:40.600 I believe that women have...

01:13:41.420 That is what that means.

01:13:42.000 I believe that women have multiple...

01:13:43.880 Sorry.

01:13:44.420 I mean, I guess I must have misspoke.

01:13:46.240 I mean...

01:13:46.920 I mean, but anyway...

01:13:47.700 I think that women have multiple different...

01:13:49.300 That's Freudian's left.

01:13:50.820 I'm sorry.

01:13:51.480 I'm sorry.

01:13:51.940 It was too good.

01:13:52.480 It was too good.

01:13:53.160 It was right there.

01:13:53.460 It was too good.

01:13:53.700 It was too good.

01:13:54.360 It was right there.

01:13:54.760 Go ahead.

01:13:54.940 Mama here.

01:13:55.620 I can chime in.

01:13:56.640 Go ahead.

01:13:56.960 I think that women have multiple different functions that they can display.

01:14:00.220 There are multiple different strengths that women can have.

01:14:02.380 Yeah.

01:14:02.560 Yeah, I agree.

01:14:02.660 And I think that it's very interesting that conservative values seem to think that, like, women should

01:14:08.640 stop working as soon as they have children.

01:14:11.460 I can't even hear what y'all are saying.

01:14:13.660 I don't know.

01:14:14.240 I think you're a pyromaniac in a field of straw men.

01:14:16.520 Okay.

01:14:16.900 Do we have any more questions?

01:14:18.300 No.

01:14:18.760 Okay.

01:14:19.000 Before we go, before we go, the VIP table, sitting there looking lovely with that delicious

01:14:25.580 redneck Riviera bourbon.

01:14:27.140 Thanks.

01:14:27.740 Do you have a question that we have not discussed?

01:14:29.980 Well, now I have two things because we just talked about that.

01:14:33.300 Conservative women don't think that you can't have a job.

01:14:36.900 I think it's absolutely wonderful to have a job that you get satisfaction from if you

01:14:41.120 don't have enough, like, intellectual stimulation from taking care of a baby with ooh, ooh, ah, ah.

01:14:47.320 I definitely think that there's something magical about being home with your baby once you feel

01:14:53.060 that pull.

01:14:53.600 If you haven't had a baby yet, you just don't understand, and that's the bottom line.

01:14:57.240 But once you do, it's a beautiful thing, and you'll definitely want to be home more often.

01:15:02.480 Thankfully, I have my mom to watch my baby.

01:15:05.000 So I will be going back to work because I have to at the moment, but the plan is to be at

01:15:10.420 home with my baby when I can.

01:15:12.340 Well, because there is something very wonderful about that connection with your child that

01:15:17.660 you don't have with anyone else in the world, no matter how close your girlfriend group is.

01:15:21.820 Well, miss, you sound a lot like a feminist right now, number one.

01:15:24.660 It's only feminism that would allow you to ever have an occupation.

01:15:27.840 Number one.

01:15:28.540 Got it.

01:15:28.800 It's a little revisionist history, I would say.

01:15:31.100 Let me finish, let me finish, let me finish, let me finish, let me finish.

01:15:36.580 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys, we were just on the same side a couple

01:15:39.280 minutes ago, too.

01:15:40.580 Now, number one.

01:15:41.880 The HOAs are over.

01:15:43.300 We're in this territory now.

01:15:44.460 Number one, number one.

01:15:45.100 That was number one.

01:15:46.520 Feminism is the only reason that women even have had the chance to work ever.

01:15:51.480 And number two, and number two is feminists don't disagree.

01:15:56.220 A lot of them, most feminists, I believe, have children.

01:15:59.380 Like, a lot of feminists have children.

01:16:00.940 There's nothing wrong with having children.

01:16:02.340 You know, there was a famous debate.

01:16:03.160 Anyone who told you that feminists believe that having children is immoral, that person

01:16:08.900 is chronically online and needs to get off the internet.

01:16:10.800 So there was a famous debate in the early feminist movement in the 1970s between Betty

01:16:15.580 Friedan, the American feminist, and Simone de Beauvoir, one of the founders of modern feminism.

01:16:20.440 I don't care.

01:16:20.460 I don't care, Michael.

01:16:21.220 I know.

01:16:21.760 It's so boring.

01:16:22.520 But for the curious and intellectual people in the room, we're going to explain feminism.

01:16:26.340 No, we're telling you what we believe.

01:16:27.360 So Simone de Beauvoir, one of the founders of feminism, they had this debate, and she

01:16:33.620 said, listen, I don't think women should be able to stay at home with their kids.

01:16:37.660 Are you debating her?

01:16:38.400 She's dumb.

01:16:39.200 My friends, my friends, you don't want to hear it because you're a semen immune to facts.

01:16:43.120 Are you debating her or are you debating me?

01:16:45.160 Well, you said that feminism doesn't claim this, so I'm citing one of the foremost theories

01:16:48.900 on feminism ever to contradict your point, which is based on your subjective.

01:16:52.460 I don't think you would want to know what a lot of conservatives have said because a

01:16:56.280 lot of it has to do with racism and sexism.

01:16:59.700 So it's like, I'm not going to define you and your values on the basis of what another

01:17:03.520 conservative said.

01:17:03.800 No, you're going to fill up us because you don't want to hear my point.

01:17:04.840 No.

01:17:05.280 In my opinion, nobody wins a bar fight.

01:17:07.400 Enough from Luke.

01:17:08.140 There are only losers.

01:17:09.280 So who lost tonight?

01:17:11.900 There's no winner.

01:17:12.820 It's only losers.

01:17:14.020 And we will have a show of cheers.

01:17:17.380 You cheer for the biggest loser.

01:17:19.840 Now, let's start with, let's start with Luke.

01:17:26.020 Who thinks Luke lost?

01:17:32.040 Okay.

01:17:32.680 I like you, Luke.

01:17:34.120 You cheer if he lost.

01:17:35.240 Who thinks Luke lost?

01:17:39.960 By the way, none of my viewers call me dad and I'm really jealous of you.

01:17:43.980 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:44.400 I like a baby.

01:17:46.380 It's all right.

01:17:46.840 They call you mama.

01:17:47.540 They call you mama.

01:17:48.320 Okay.

01:17:48.860 Xena.

01:17:49.540 Xena.

01:17:49.880 Who thinks that Xena lost?

01:17:52.860 Really?

01:17:54.720 Really?

01:17:55.500 I would have voted for Luke.

01:17:56.720 Okay.

01:17:57.120 Now, I know I might actually pay for my HOA opinions right now.

01:18:01.620 Who thinks I lost?

01:18:03.640 Yeah.

01:18:04.080 That was, one woman alone might have cost me this debate.

01:18:13.080 Do we, was it, it was me, did I lose?

01:18:15.700 Did I, no.

01:18:17.380 Hold on, okay, let's whittle it down.

01:18:19.060 I think somehow Luke escaped.

01:18:20.220 I thought he lost.

01:18:21.440 Let's whittle it down.

01:18:22.480 It's between me and Xena.

01:18:23.540 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:18:24.440 I think they just said that you lost, though.

01:18:26.260 I think that's.

01:18:26.600 No, but then they said no.

01:18:28.120 Listen, I'll take it over the HOA.

01:18:29.800 You say, yeah, yes, no, no.

01:18:33.240 Okay, hold on.

01:18:34.100 All right.

01:18:34.600 Let's keep it fair.

01:18:35.840 Let's keep it.

01:18:36.380 I'm already disappointed because I thought I wanted it to be Luke.

01:18:39.080 Who says Xena lost?

01:18:42.900 Okay.

01:18:46.360 That's very, that's very unshivalrous.

01:18:48.480 I feel, I feel bad about that.

01:18:49.860 Who says that I lost?

01:18:55.420 That's my girl.

01:18:56.400 That's my one over.

01:18:57.480 With a woman down center, single-handedly cost me this debate.

01:19:00.980 That's, that's life.

01:19:01.720 Okay.

01:19:01.980 Thank you very much to my guests for being here.

01:19:03.720 Thank you to the VIP table.

01:19:04.700 Thank you to all of you.

01:19:06.280 See you at the next bar fight.

01:19:09.500 I love HOAs.

01:19:17.940 Rinse takes your laundry and hand delivers it to your door.

01:19:21.080 Expertly cleaned and folded.

01:19:22.220 So you could take the time once spent folding and sorting and waiting

01:19:25.720 to finally pursue a whole new version of you.

01:19:28.640 Like tea time you.

01:19:30.640 Mmm.

01:19:31.440 Or this tea time you.

01:19:34.020 Or even this tea time you.

01:19:36.540 So did you hear about Dave?

01:19:37.740 Or even tea time, tea time, tea time you.

01:19:40.680 Mmm.

01:19:41.860 So update on Dave.

01:19:43.640 It's up to you.

01:19:44.720 We'll take the laundry.

01:19:46.160 Rinse.

01:19:46.720 It's time to be great.

01:19:47.680 Here we go.

01:20:02.600 There we go.

01:20:03.480 We'll take the clothes.

01:20:06.800 Bye.

01:20:07.480 peggy.

01:20:08.180 Bye.

01:20:08.820 Bye.

01:20:11.520 Bye.

01:20:12.500 Bye.

01:20:12.880 Bye.

01:20:14.440 Bye.

01:20:15.020 Bye.

The Michael Knowles Show - November 22, 2025

2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative： BAR FIGHT ｜ Michael Knowles, Luke Beasley, & Zina

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