2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative： BAR FIGHT ｜ Sisson & Chris Mowrey
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Summary
On this episode of Bar Fight Club, host Michael Knowles is joined by Harry Sisson and Royalties Siegfried and Chris Mowry to debate one of the most controversial topics of our day: the Epstein scandal. They argue whether or not the Epstein files should be declassified.
Transcript
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And I saw you get walked by Adam Mockler on this.
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The crown prince of left-wing social media, Harry Sisson.
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We will be debating three of the most controversial topics of our day.
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And then our friends in the crowd can come up to the microphone to pick a fight with any of us.
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My claim is that the Trump cover-up of the Epstein files is one of the worst scandals in American history.
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I mean, look, what we've seen from Donald Trump in the past, whatever, six months or ever since he got into office, has been nothing short of gross.
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And this is a serious—we're having fun, but this is a serious topic, right?
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We're talking about kids, women, and even some men being abused.
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You know, he never wanted the files to come out.
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When there was the discharge petition, he was calling up Lauren Boebert and all the Republicans and telling him, don't put your name on it.
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And even when the files are out, it's kind of been a trickle, right?
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And even the files we've all seen now, which they're claiming are all of them.
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Some redactions are there that make me a little nervous, make me uncomfortable.
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And I think they should unredact everything that they can within the law.
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But there's emails out there where they're pretty clearly talking about committing crimes, and it's still redacted.
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I think the American people deserve to know who those names are.
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And I think Donald Trump should have to answer for his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein, which goes much deeper than I think the right likes to let on.
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The first is that Trump has covered up the Epstein files.
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And then the second claim is that that is the worst scandal in American history.
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I think you are impressively wrong on both counts.
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The first being the fact that Trump not only has not covered up the Epstein files, but he has, in fact, to date released three and a half million Epstein files, which is the single largest declassification in American history.
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He redacted some of the files, and he opposed the release of all of them.
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And he was calling up Republicans telling him not to vote.
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But if he wanted the files to come out, why was he telling Lauren Boeber not to do it?
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The claim that you made is that Trump covered up the Epstein files.
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So him calling up members of Congress, telling them not to release the files, not to vote
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We have to establish the first fact before we get to the second.
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The first fact is you're claiming he covered up the Epstein files.
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But then you are admitting that Trump not only released all of those Epstein files.
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Joe Biden didn't release a single Epstein file.
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Donald Trump released three and a half million of them, which is the single largest release
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If you're attempting a cover-up, that's still a cover-up, right?
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He got pressured by the law and Congress, but he still tried to cover them up.
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Don't you think that him calling Lauren Boeber, telling her not to put her name on the discharge
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Well, I actually do agree that not all of those files should be released.
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I think it undermines certain principles of American justice, like innocent until proven
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I think a lot of those claims have been debunked, which we saw in the files.
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And I think some of it is actually child sexual abuse material, which obviously should
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But we know that there are still more documents out there.
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And some claims that have been disproven, even in courts, even by judges.
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So obviously those names shouldn't be released.
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Nevertheless, on the first point, there is no arguing.
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It is the largest release ever in American history.
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To the second point, that if it were true that he had done the opposite of what he actually
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did, would that be one of the worst scandals in American history?
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Aaron Burr, former vice president of the United States, tried to establish a brand new country
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Do you remember that one from, you remember from social studies?
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Teapot Dome, where the secretary of the interior went to jail because he took bribes to sell
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The which class of the Trump stealing classified documents.
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The documents that he stored at a lower degree in less egregious ways than Joe Biden, where
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A hundred people went to jail over a scandal that also implicated his private secretary.
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Bill Clinton using his intern as a human humidor in the Oval Office and then perjuring himself
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And then what about Trump actually assaulting women?
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The last scandal I'll mention is when a sitting Democrat senator drunk drove his mistress
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into a pond and then left her there to drown and remain the lion of the Senate.
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I think all of those and many others are much bigger than the supposed scandal of Trump
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not declassifying the Epstein documents, which he would have been well within his rights
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But regardless, he didn't do it because he declassified.
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Wait, so everything you just mentioned in terms of scandals, I agree that those are bad.
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It's not worse than President Trump hypothetically not releasing criminal information.
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Michael, we're talking about rich, powerful men connected to the government, connected
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internationally, abusing children, trafficking children.
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And I think covering that up and protecting the men who did it is a bad scandal.
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So we just found an email in the Epstein files of somebody.
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It's sent to Jeffrey Epstein saying, last night was fun.
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Whoever is implicated in that should be prosecuted.
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If it's not a coverup, why is the name redacted?
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Who do you think in the Epstein files, who do you think we should prosecute?
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I can't give you an answer in terms of this specific email.
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The question about the redactions or not redacting names-
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The question is, is there sufficient evidence of a crime?
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Do you think that's sufficient evidence of a crime?
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Not necessarily, because there are a lot of false claims.
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You mentioned that Trump is all over the files.
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Wait, an email to Epstein's personal email saying your littlest girl is a little naughty?
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So maybe there is something in there that indicates Donald Trump.
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Well, what we know, I think the behavior is morally abhorrent.
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And it's not just information that's contained in the Epstein files.
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We got a Wall Street Journal article that was published December 30th of 2025
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that talked about how Donald Trump in the 1990s and early 2000s
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would send young girls to Epstein's house to give him massages.
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That is only a perk that was given to members of Mar-a-Lago.
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He specifically made an exception for Epstein to get massages at his house.
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And everybody in the spa knew that Epstein was creepy.
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even confided in Donald Trump, said that Epstein is creepy.
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Is there any evidence of a crime that Donald Trump committed
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that you alluded to that you think he should be prosecuted for?
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I don't think there's enough evidence to prosecute Donald Trump.
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if he had knowledge that he was sending young girls
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What is the evidence of a crime that he committed?
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
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if we could go after everyone we think is creepy.
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the details of which neither of you are provided.
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Wait, Virginia Giuffre was picked up from Mar-a-Lago
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In the case of the allegations about Donald Trump,
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we find, oh, actually, this has been adjudicated.
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One in California where it was dismissed by a judge.
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and you say, well, I've got the Wall Street Journal
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You just said you wouldn't prosecute Donald Trump.
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You just said you wouldn't prosecute Donald Trump.
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There's no peace in Gaza right now, by the way.
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If Biden could find something in the Epstein files
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was still working the way through the courts, right?
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If they're part of an active criminal investigation
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But Kamala Harris was actually asked this question
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we had an independence between the presidency and the DOJ,
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and said, well, we'll release all the Epstein files
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and he's obviously been communicating with the DOJ.
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The president should not take a position in this.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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She's the Daily Wire White House correspondent, Mary Margaret O'Hare.
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All right, I have a 2028 question for you guys.
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Do we think that J.D. Vance or Gavin Newsom has a better chance?
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And is Gavin Newsom telling the truth when he says that he doesn't really support men and women's sports?
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You want to take it first or you want me to go?
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The Trump administration is historically unpopular.
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They are underwater in every single issue that got them elected.
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Because I know how we all feel about polls, right?
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But the polls that got him elected have flipped on their head.
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A CNN poll from October, hold on, from October of 20, no, no, I know, I know, hold on, hold on.
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A CNN poll from October of 2024, from October of 2024, Donald Trump was plus 11 on inflation in the economy.
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That same poll right now, he's underwater, 27 points.
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A Fox News poll showed that, like, 68% of Americans felt like ICE was going too far in the things that they were doing.
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How many of you, how many of you, how many of you like Donald Trump in this room?
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So, in 2015, when J.D. Vance said that Donald Trump was America's Hitler, that he was an awful guy, did he just stop believing that?
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He was, yeah, he, oh, don't make mistakes, don't make mistakes.
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No, he was persuaded by evidence, like my friend Ben Shapiro.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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He lost all of his values and his morals because he got to be vice president of the United States.
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And in the Republican Party, and in the Republican Party, you cannot be an elected official and not bow down to Donald Trump.
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Are you accusing Ben Shapiro of losing his values and morals?
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Are you accusing Glenn Beckham of losing his values?
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I'm not, I'm not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's, you know, he's a political threat in 20-20.
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Wait, no, no, that's a straw man, I'm just, you, you can, I've changed, I've changed, I've changed, and they all changed their minds.
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I'm just, in this particular instance, J.D. Vance obviously.
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You don't apply the same standard to Ben Shapiro of Glenn Beckham.
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I don't apply the same standard when J.D. Vance could become vice president of the United States.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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no no his entire his entire career his entire career depends on him loving donald trump just
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like all these other republican elected officials who hated donald trump previously who we know they
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probably still hate him now but they don't have a choice why did the other never trumpers change
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their minds why did what what never yeah what never trumpers changed their mind shapiro and
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glenn beck okay i would because he became the republican nominee they're gonna vote for him
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no matter what you think it was just so now you're changing your opinion now you say they
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were just cynical they're liars no no no i i mean i feel like you're trying to i'm just trying to
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clarify no you're trying you're trying a different standard to jd vance than you are to everyone
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because i think that jd vance it's just a one unique person who's in a unique spot to be vice
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president united states everybody else might have their different reasons i agree you're nervous
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no no no no no no no no hold on hold on hold on has jd vance has jd vance ever explained what caused
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him to change his mind many times yes i don't know i've never heard a good answer for that
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president president trump's performance in office yeah really i just i just want to point out i just
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i just want to point out i just want to point out we didn't go from oh i don't love donald trump
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to i like him we he said quote donald trump is america's hitler to apparently loving him so much
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he's now the vice president of the united states turns out he wasn't hitler it was actually pretty
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good well harry before we go you you had a point you said you're not afraid of oh no i'm not i'm not
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afraid of jd vance and on her question nobody should be afraid of jd vance i mean look at the guy
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yeah you said a little afraid but you don't i'm not i'm not afraid of jd vance uh i think gavin
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newsom has a better chance if you're just looking at it from a data standpoint you can
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boo you want the data doesn't lie if you're looking at it from a data standpoint gavin newsom i believe
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has a better chance right now and then what was your the follow-up what is that it uh whether whether
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it was going to be newsom or vance mary margaret what was the follow-up is that did we answer
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everything oh women's oh yeah that's right i think he's telling the truth yeah i think he's telling
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the truth so hold on what the truth about what what i think what is newsom's current claim yes you
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asked does gavin newsom agree with uh men not playing in women's sports is that right
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oh it's not her oh where is she so i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm i'm flattered that he thinks i'm
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mary margaret so he says gavin newsom now says men shouldn't be in women's sports but he previously
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did not say that we were just talking about do you think well the question is do you think that
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was a sincere change i do think it's i do think it's a cynical political i do think he's telling
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why did gavin newsom just a few weeks ago say he wants to see more trans kids uh i think i mean
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well what was the context of what he's talking about he was at i don't remember this okay well
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that's okay right so that's a big problem if you don't remember the context i think it speaks for
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itself i want to see more trans kids you know what probably the context is is should more people feel
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comfortable coming out as who they are okay he's probably saying yeah they shouldn't be able to play
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sports what do you mean boo hold on but harry so they should come out as trans and he wants to see
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more of that but he just doesn't want to let them play sports well those are two different topics
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i mean they're just two different related i would say no they're not pretty related they're two
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different topics and two different debates here's my question sure a building on mary margaret's
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question gavin you believe gavin newsom is sincere when he flipped his opinion on transgenderism in
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sports and says that he no longer wants to see men and women's sports but gavin newsom at the same
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time says he wants to see more trans kids so therefore we must conclude trans uh gavin newsom does not
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want the trans kids to be able to play sports do you really think that gavin newsom wants trans kids to
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say out of all sports like you can't play soccer no he doesn't believe that so then he doesn't lying
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about changing no you're you're saying that gavin newsom said that trans kids shouldn't play sports
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period well that's gavin newsom well don't throw under the bus she's lovely that's what you agreed
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with though no no gavin newsom is saying that um trans people should play sports but the role of
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uh trans men or trans women going into a different sport or the sport that aligns with the gender that
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they've now chosen that's where he takes issue but i do think he's going to play you're going to say
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the trans women have to play in the women's in the in the men's i think gavin newsom holds a
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similar position to mine which is let's let these independent sporting agencies make the rules i
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don't think the government should be involved and by the way michael michael you can't have it both
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wait wait no no gavin gavin newsom's a governor he's saying the government shouldn't legislate this
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right and so i would i would say he doesn't support me can i finish briefly gavin newsom is saying he
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doesn't want the government involved in this part party is small government over here now wants the
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government everywhere i like appropriate government well no you you advocate for small government
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i don't advocate for small government oh you don't you want big government i know i i advocate
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okay anyway gavin newsom is taking the position all right all right wow enough torment for harry
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no you're right you're right we got to go back to the mic question uh all right hello michael um i'd
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like to engage in a little bit of a friendly spiritual tete-a-tete uh with you i have i'll
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admittedly say that i skimmed your article about christian zionism and i've heard your comments
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about israel yeah um and as a protestant i have slightly different views toward the state of
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israel um and the jewish well not the jewish people the israeli people and i like the israeli
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people i think i i think we might share that view how do you reconcile this anti-christian zionism
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might be an extreme way to put it with um the biblical truth that we are grafted onto as christians
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the jewish faith essentially and the fact that um jews have had israel as their ancestral homeland
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for thousands of years and can you acknowledge that the again anti-israel seems very extreme but
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that's the the phrase i'm going to use uh rhetoric that's starting to come from the right has
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contributed contributed to the rise in anti-semitism in recent months recent years well in the last
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point i think it it can coincide anti-israel and anti-semitic sentiment can coincide not necessarily
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so but it can um so that's true i don't know that one is the cause of the other probably the cause would
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go if more likely in the other direction uh when it comes to uh ancestral claims from indigeneity
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the reason that i reject that is really more an historical and uh political opinion uh it's because
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i don't think that just because a people was in a place a long time ago it means they have a right
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to it now if that were the case we would have to give the mount rushmore back to the lakota sioux
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which is arguments maybe some of my liberal friends would make them maybe not a lot of people on the
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left do uh but i i reject that i don't i don't really think that's a basis for international law
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so i i reject it uh as as that matter of course to the point on christian zionism specifically you know
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that is a religious position that's a relatively modern one it really comes from the 19th century
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it's a specific subset of protestantism obviously i'm not a protestant i'm a catholic i'm a mackerel
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snapper many protestants don't hold that view either but that's a specific view uh that argues that
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because god gave the land to the jews in antiquity uh they have a divine right to it now now this is
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contrary to the traditional christian perspective shared by catholics and eastern orthodox and
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uh some mainline protestants which holds that uh the church is the spiritual israel is the new israel
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and so we like the jews they're great uh you know they're wonderful and we all you know want to follow
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god um uh however uh the specific uh land claims that are figured in the old testament are really
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fulfilled in in the new testament so we don't uh focus on those specific land claims then there's an
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added problem which is the issue of zionism which begins as a secular ideology uh though it's
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difficult to separate the religious from the secular when it comes to the the jewish people
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because they're a tribe uh but the the origins of zionism really are secular and it arises with
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nationalism like in the revolutions of the 1840s and the uh the ideology that is really a 19th century
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ideology that i find a little bit modern i don't believe that the only proper form of political
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order is a nation state i think empires have a lot to recommend them and and so uh for all of those
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reasons i guess i would say i reject every single aspect of uh what undergirds christian zionism
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but i'm uh very philo-semitic and i'm generally pro-israel so i'm actually in the worst position of
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anybody i seem to be taking the bullets from all sides here but but that's why uh this view which is
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prevalent among american evangelicals has predominated in recent decades but it's it's really not
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the historic view of christians and it's not the majority view of christians worldwide and so i
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would make one prudential argument to people who support the state of israel which is it probably
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would behoove them to give people an opportunity to support the state of israel for practical reasons
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reasons of international law reasons of alliances that do not require them to adopt a novel theological
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view that's really a minority view i think probably practically that is much better for uh for even the
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state of israel in the end okay that was that was a little off topic for me we weren't expecting it
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what do you guys think about that's all you brother come on hello my question is for harry
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sisson i'm a huge fan of you i actually follow your twitter pretty actively um and i just want to go
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back to the ice topic that we were on a bit earlier it's a great because harry sisson has some
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interesting tweets about alex preddy specifically accusing him of uh sorry i want to apologize um
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he accuses directly nick shirley of being responsible for the death of alex preddy and
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renee good for his reporting on minnesota um and so then you know i just want to be super clear here
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um that once again harry sisson has lied repeatedly about ice um he said that the ice agent that shot
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said that she was a f***ing b***h right after he shot her that actually was another ice officer
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completely different ice officer oh so so much better wait oh yeah it's great to watch your
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colleague execute somebody live on camera and be like wow that's a wonderful distinction on
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motivation my question is for harry when an ice officer gets killed because of your lies and
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your rhetoric um are you gonna feel bad are you gonna have issues sleeping at night like you accused
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nick shirley of being that is absurd that was a that was a really i think that was a really bad
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question like genuinely i think that was a bad question so uh chris actually tweeted something
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similar as well regarding you don't want to answer it yeah that's a bad question but he said it too
00:53:42.460
but we both agree on it we both agree and i'll stand by this that nick shirley his lies about
00:53:48.040
fraud in minnesota caused a surgence of federal agents into the state and if that surgence of
00:53:54.340
federal agents into the state never happened and he never lied about these uh learning centers these
00:53:58.720
child daycare centers you're saying that we wouldn't be in a position no that's not what he said
00:54:02.300
no no no well hold on well hold on what's your claim i'm responding directly so if that never
00:54:07.780
happened whatever if that never happened uh those people renee good and alex preddy would still be
00:54:13.240
alive today a hundred percent and they were murdered in broad daylight and anybody i think
00:54:17.920
everybody in this room should be able to look at alex preddy who didn't take out a gun he was tackled
00:54:23.960
by ace eight ice agents wait are you anti-second amendment now hold on wait so so wait wait so
00:54:29.280
you should be executed for just having a gun even if it's holstered he was legally carrying it he had
00:54:33.720
a permit to carry he's not threatened so wait wait wait wait wait hold on there's where he should be
00:54:41.100
executed can you relax for the first time hold on he had a legal permit to carry he never took out the
00:54:45.920
gun so wait what do you mean so he wasn't a threat to anybody he wasn't a he wasn't a threat to
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anybody how come he wasn't a threat to anybody he was tackled by eight ice agents on the ground
00:54:55.620
and then shot in the back of the head nine times hold on harry harry what are you talking about
00:54:59.640
what are you talking about harry you just said that renee good i don't want to hear from you
00:55:02.980
can i jump in from the vip you just said you just said harry that renee good was murdered yes
00:55:09.620
by an ice officer yeah do you not think that being hit by an suv is a justification for using deadly
00:55:16.580
if you're looking at the footage frame by frame and i saw you get walked by adam mockler on this
00:55:20.260
can you be quiet oh my god what was how did i get okay how did i get walked well i'm up here
00:55:25.180
you're over there i'm meant to be talking harry here's a question did renee good did renee good
00:55:30.260
hit the officer with her suv wait wait wait the if you look at the frame by frame you don't you don't
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need a paragraph michael michael if this is a more yes or no michael you would agree that this is a
00:55:38.920
more nuanced i would not agree with that did this woman hit the officer with her suv her suv bumped the
00:55:44.540
officer which still does not justify bumped him with a 3 000 pound suv michael michael michael
00:55:48.900
if i tapped you on the shoulder right now can you shoot me in the face if you tapped me with
00:55:53.440
your suv i probably would yeah what if he's going three miles an hour what if he's going three miles
00:55:57.400
an hour do we have any more questions do we have no more okay here we go we got to figure out who won
00:56:04.400
that round who do we get to pick i thought your colleague actually asked a really good question so
00:56:08.340
were we going margaret she comes man do you want do you want to hand goes to the vip
00:56:12.460
i defer i defer i thought she asked a good question i am gonna maybe i'll separately buy that fake
00:56:19.760
harry fan out there a drink afterward but mary margaret gets to go to the vip by the way mark i
00:56:24.300
interrupted you you had a point to make yes i had i had several points whoa whoa whoa whoa so the
00:56:30.680
alex preddy shooting you're saying he was legally carrying a gun yeah but minnesota state law requires
00:56:35.380
you to carry your id and a permit i i see you over there i see you over there they're not based
00:56:40.000
like tennessee where you can have constitutional carry thank you so that's not really legally but
00:56:47.140
he wasn't legal he wasn't legally carrying it that's a good point but also as as a responsible
00:56:51.120
gun owner myself yeah you basically are drilled into you that if you always carry a gun that's fine
00:56:58.520
but if you only carry a gun in certain situations it seems like you're looking for trouble and i know
00:57:04.340
personally if i'm out carrying a gun i'm the biggest in the world like a hundred because
00:57:10.820
if someone talks if someone talks to me i let it go because literally anything when you're
00:57:17.240
carrying a gun there is a huge responsibility because great point anything can become a deadly
00:57:22.200
encounter so it was incredibly irresponsible of him to go into that situation i do want to hold on
00:57:27.460
really quickly really quickly two things you can start to talk about the nuance of whatever the
00:57:32.260
specific laws in minnesota about how you carry but again i still don't believe that that if you
00:57:37.280
could prove to me right now without a shadow of a doubt that alex preddy who was again taking care of
00:57:42.320
our veterans as a nurse if you could prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that he was satan on
00:57:46.880
earth i still don't believe that that makes it justifiable that he's executed in broad daylight
00:57:52.340
it's an important point though hold on hold on hold on and so i do want to point out although i
00:57:55.620
appreciate and you may be correct on the on the minnesota law about whatever he was required to have
00:57:59.840
even if you could prove to me right now that he was illegally carrying i still don't believe that
00:58:04.880
that then somehow justifies even if he's looking for trouble him being executed in broad daylight
00:58:09.480
okay the gun was taken out by another ice officer so he is unarmed with what five or six ice
00:58:15.580
did he aim the firearm at any ice agent i don't think that was a hundred percent clean did he aim
00:58:19.720
did he aim the firearm at any ice agent there was a lot of stuff happening in that time but also
00:58:23.560
talking about rhetoric and hitler the left is just constantly drag so you don't wait donald trump
00:58:29.420
said that kamala harris and joe biden hold on donald trump said that joe biden and kamala harris
00:58:33.920
are fascists so if you're using the same donald trump called kamala harris a fascist they called
00:58:39.160
him hitler and then right after he got shot wait wait and then in your view they must be equally
00:58:42.620
guilty in your view they must be equally guilty then can can you name yes or no guys guys guys guys
00:58:47.480
guys all right all right yeah we can't let we can't let mark gang up mike answer me a question can
00:58:52.040
you name what's the one prominent political figure right now who called on a stage donald trump
00:58:58.020
hitler that would be jd vance his vice president who called him america's hitler there's been no
00:59:03.140
elected democrats but there are a lot more people who called trump hitler i just want to point out
00:59:07.780
wait what elected democrats if we're putting blame on calling him hitler hang on hang on all right
00:59:13.440
gavin newsom didn't call him hitler he did they know the news the newsom press team just referred to
00:59:18.780
the trump administration please all right give it to me we love mike get some love to mike we love mike
00:59:23.940
because they love i love listening to conservatives lecture liberals about gun rights and the way you
00:59:30.060
ditch the second amendment so quickly when it's not convenient for you is unbelievable to me i am oh
00:59:35.200
stop it i'm a gun owner i have my concealed carry license i have the right to carry a gun in the
00:59:40.180
constitution same as everybody else alex pretty left his house he's protesting ice he's recording ice he
00:59:45.560
didn't brandish the gun he didn't need it they threw him to the ground they shot him he didn't need it
00:59:49.900
he didn't use it he didn't brandish it they threw him to the ground they beat him they shot him three
00:59:54.160
times if that happened to a conservative you would be and moaning and you'd be absolutely right to
00:59:59.060
and i heard conservatives conservatives don't obstruct law enforcement generally oh no they just
01:00:03.140
raid the capitol he was right they just raid the capitol just take selfies in the capitol they just raid
01:00:06.840
the capitol and then they beat police officers to say that alex preddy was obstructing law enforcement
01:00:12.760
bro he kicked in the real the the taillight on a federal law enforcement therefore he deserves death
01:00:18.080
and then he therefore he deserves no i'm just saying he obstructed law enforcement i'm just
01:00:21.520
making a very modest point and denying for some reason well let me make a modest point for you
01:00:24.820
michael was the ashley babbitt shooting just for mark over there you guys complained about ashley
01:00:28.980
babbitt who was trying to break into the capitol thank you and she deserved to die she's okay uh
01:00:34.700
yes i disagree i mean i'm sorry i don't like to hear that don't have shock you were just defending
01:00:40.620
the shooting of alex freddy right you right there cops were being beaten she's turning away
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your daddy part of the cop eaters so don't lecture me i'm not lecturing you and let's go
01:00:48.020
mike you weren't lecturing us just suck it up anyway they don't want to talk we can just retire
01:00:52.820
i think yeah we'll just go out there no yeah but basically i'm just to sum this up to sum
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this up to quote the great little john don't start no won't be no great point a great philosopher
01:01:05.820
for a little john himself into that so you agree it's not a death sentence you were filming ice
01:01:10.860
agents is not a death sentence you you agree with what happens okay folks it is time did we are we
01:01:15.740
already picked the vip it is time for round so bad my favorite time of the night it's my topic
01:01:26.920
my topic is america isn't stolen billy eilish is wrong about that but even if it were stolen
01:01:36.800
we would deport the illegals just the same so billy eilish makes a claim at the grammys yeah
01:01:43.600
she says no one is illegal on stolen land which is not true it's not true because if you're on stolen
01:01:51.720
land and you murder somebody you that's still illegal that's still a crime you can't murder
01:01:56.580
people or rape people even if it's stolen land uh but the second reason that her claim was false
01:02:01.740
is that america is not stolen land by by any measure any way that we think of international
01:02:08.300
law or history in anything resembling a global standard by that standard america is not stolen
01:02:15.940
so before i even go on with my diatribe you guys are relatively more moderate more slightly more
01:02:23.840
reasonable maybe do you think america is stolen land i think two things i think that the phrase
01:02:30.020
america no one is illegal on stolen land shouldn't be i think it's it's an issue when you take it so
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literally i think the point is that uh obviously america was founded on or we were we were all
01:02:40.240
immigrants we came over here we were not hold on hold on hold on hold on let me finish so i just
01:02:43.680
disagree with that no okay okay okay uh we're all immigrants uh we traveled over here we killed a
01:02:48.700
bunch of people we took land i mean all play all land is technically stolen land all countries were
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i don't agree with that hold on hold on all countries were founded on some amount of sin i think
01:02:57.520
the more important point of this is that uh i don't understand to the latter half why the demonization
01:03:05.140
of illegal immigrants the point of the demonization it is hold on okay but why you still haven't
01:03:10.680
answered that question from earlier why because it's the law okay okay but there's a lot of laws we
01:03:14.100
don't enforce hold on we should enforce them okay well there's a lot that we don't give me
01:03:17.700
why do you believe besides it just being law it should be enforced because i'll answer that if
01:03:21.900
you'd like me to please because a nation is defined geographically by its borders okay the most basic
01:03:28.920
right that defines a political community is the right to define who is part of it and who is not
01:03:34.680
part of it so it is beyond the laws passed by congress that are supposed to be enforced by the
01:03:39.300
executive that are upheld by the judiciary it is a basic tenet of any political community that you get
01:03:44.640
to determine who's in and who's out if we do not enforce that most basic law we would uh cease in
01:03:51.940
any meaningful sense to be a political community both parties agreed on that i don't i don't believe
01:03:55.800
that there's anybody advocating for not uh at some level enforcing uh immigration law you don't think
01:04:01.960
anyone's like advocating open borders i don't think there is i don't think there's i don't think
01:04:05.420
there's a single prominent democrat no one's saying that no one is illegal but hold on no no no but the
01:04:11.280
second point of this is that everybody believes that at some level we should have a better
01:04:14.880
immigration reform we're just going to disagree about how to do that should we deport the
01:04:17.780
illegal no because the point there is no no then i guess yeah no no no no no no hold on hold on hold
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on i believe that undocumented individuals in the united states are generally a net benefit
01:04:28.280
currently for the american people no no people are going to laugh the cato hold on hold on hold on
01:04:33.100
the cato institute the cato institute it's a right-wing think tank let me put this out it's a libertarian
01:04:37.220
that's okay the cato institute this week this week uh released a study that since from 1994 to now
01:04:44.340
undocumented people have uh paid the federal government roughly 10 trillion dollars in taxes
01:04:51.240
wow that's some i think it's a gazillion hold on hold on can i hold on 10 trillion dollars in taxes
01:04:55.300
and they have used benefits from the u.s government about six trillion let's say four trillion dollar
01:04:59.820
surplus and they analyzed why economically are they in net benefit yeah libertarians like open borders
01:05:05.080
hold on hold on it's not no no no no those numbers are wrong but why are they wrong why do you think
01:05:09.740
they're because because they're because they actually are net takers and if you don't want to
01:05:13.040
look at they're not i don't i don't you can look at the center for immigration studies one is pro-mass
01:05:16.420
migrant one is anti-mass migrant but it's evading the question because we're talking about the law
01:05:20.960
do you think that the american people have the right to enforce the laws duly passed by congress
01:05:25.040
to have their own borders and define who's in the country i think i think yes or no hold on hold on
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no no because because because i think it's a dishonest premise there's a simple there are so many laws
01:05:32.620
i think that we should i'm not asking about so many laws i'm asking about this one can i just say
01:05:36.780
something really quick can you answer the question right now right now in the united states we do not
01:05:39.540
have enough native-born i'm just giving one example before you speak we do not have enough native-born
01:05:44.160
u.s citizens to work every single job if every single undocumented person right now was uh was
01:05:50.260
deported this instant i'm gonna hold on hold on one second i'm gonna bet you in the front row twenty
01:05:54.300
dollars i'm gonna bet you right now twenty dollars that he will not answer my question i'm going to
01:05:59.120
answer your question hold on no no no no no no i'm going to answer your question i'm going to
01:06:04.820
i'll take it i'm gonna take the opposite he's gonna answer it okay you're in a matter of law i i will
01:06:10.480
just please quickly again there's clearly like that example i just gave if every undocumented person
01:06:15.820
was deported from the united states tomorrow our economy just as one example would fall apart
01:06:20.800
overnight simple question i am going i'm going i'm going to answer the question that for about six
01:06:26.160
minutes it's very clear that in the current setup the united states we should allow undocumented
01:06:31.540
people to have a process to uh find uh get legal immigration status and we should pass immigration
01:06:38.260
reform to increase security at the border and make it easier to get into the united states legally
01:06:41.860
i think the premise the answer to your question my question i believe you're going to owe me 20
01:06:45.160
no no no no no no no no no no no the answer the answer is that we should enforce laws in a civil
01:06:52.900
way and currently the civil way is to enforce them it's called i i i i disagree and there's so many
01:06:58.640
it's literally what it's called there's so many there's so many good examples of u.s laws that we
01:07:03.020
don't enforce all the time yeah yeah will you answer my question or is harry paying me 20 bucks what is
01:07:07.740
what is should we deport the illegals i don't i disagree with the premise of the question 20 bucks buddy
01:07:12.200
no no no no no no no no easiest money no no no no i believe i believe actually that might be the
01:07:18.880
i believe i believe we should work was easiest i believe that was a little hard i believe we should
01:07:23.260
deport undocumented individuals who have committed violent crimes yes that is my take part the
01:07:28.140
illegals no i think i think no i think no is an answer that is an answer 20 bucks now i believe
01:07:33.520
i believe i believe it's a more nuanced we should we should deport undocumented people who have
01:07:38.340
committed violent crimes yes so i think there are a lot i think there are a lot of undocumented
01:07:42.900
immigrants in this country who have lived here general question hold on i'm not asking that
01:07:46.220
question i don't think your general question is in good faith it is in good it's not in good
01:07:49.840
it's a simple question but michael don't stop michael until like no no you would you would you
01:07:53.400
would concede that simple but i want i don't want you to think i'm stealing your 20 bucks
01:07:56.740
oh my god should we deport should we deport the illegal aliens in america i just answered yes or
01:08:03.960
no i don't yes or no i just answered yes or no wait michael don't believe 20 bucks oh my god
01:08:09.240
okay i don't think the answer is yes or no michael michael michael it's a nuanced question right
01:08:13.200
yes it is because i think i think you might knew how to answer it i think you might obama even when
01:08:18.420
he ran wait wait i find some people in here who would agree that somebody who's been here for 30
01:08:23.660
years has never committed the illegals great wait wait michael let me finish i think you might
01:08:30.260
find maybe not in here i don't know but republicans generally you might find some people who argue and
01:08:35.140
would agree with me that if you've been here for like 30 years you've paid your taxes you've never
01:08:39.340
committed a violent crime even if you have a speeding ticket whatever if you're if you've given
01:08:43.760
if you've given back to your community why would we deport that person instead of giving them the
01:08:48.460
pathway to citizenship if they're giving back to america which is exactly what we want from
01:08:52.240
immigrants why would we deport them because it's the law you voted for a felon i don't care you
01:08:56.320
voted for a felon you can't talk about them being undocumented and breaking the law if you voted for
01:08:59.660
a felon yeah so michael right you right there i see you really quickly he's trying to save his
01:09:03.860
buddy's money no no no no i do want to point out to your point you said it's a simple yes or no
01:09:08.600
question you voted for a criminal you talk about them breaking the law you don't care about
01:09:12.720
donald trump being a convicted felon he has not had one sip of his tequila and he is belligerent right
01:09:17.280
now he is belligerent uh okay we need to figure out or do we have another question at the mic
01:09:22.380
do we have we do okay really quickly sorry my question you're not getting his money i just want
01:09:26.740
to point out i just want to point out even obama had a nuanced take on this his take well eventually
01:09:30.900
he undermined his hold on hold on regardless of how let's say obama's immigration policy wasn't forced
01:09:35.080
he obviously had a setup where he wanted to only be focusing on people within like 100 miles of the
01:09:40.560
border because he believed that if you were within 100 miles of the border you just came across the
01:09:44.500
united states he believed we should focus on uh criminals but if you were let's say in minnesota
01:09:49.160
for example and you were undocumented it was far more likely that you were here with a family you
01:09:53.020
had built a life and so he first wanted to focus on within 100 miles of the border so if you ask you
01:09:57.720
know what i remember if you know what i remember if you just answering your point if you ask said that
01:10:02.280
executive amnesty would be unconstitutional and then he did it anyway so i remember you're right he did
01:10:07.220
have nuanced views in as much as they contradicted themselves yeah okay i just to your question of
01:10:12.560
should we deport the illegals even obama would say that's a dishonest framing what did bill
01:10:16.240
say it's a it's a nuanced it's a nuanced question i don't care what bill i don't know i don't care
01:10:20.700
i was born in 2002 like i don't we don't care if bill clinton said we're a different party now we
01:10:25.720
have a nuanced take different you guys nominated hillary less than 10 years ago i would argue that
01:10:30.160
hillary in 2016 was different than bill clinton in his presidency hillary clinton was not calling for
01:10:33.500
social services to be defunded but we in the democratic party have a nuanced view of immigration
01:10:37.920
that is far better for the united states than you who was just like should we deport everybody or
01:10:42.420
not it's not it's not an absolute it's not absolute force the law when i want to that's not
01:10:46.980
you voted for a felon you voted for a felon you voted for a felon all right sorry i'm back this time
01:10:55.240
for you boys ah okay um early on i think it was harry but it could have been either one of you
01:11:02.920
um you just can feel they all look the same generic white guys generic white guys do look
01:11:08.100
very similar yes but you made the claim that right-wing political violence is more prominent
01:11:15.500
than left-wing political yes absolutely which is an insane claim to make when in september charlie
01:11:20.980
kirk was assassinated on a college campus debating people yeah friendly hold on and since then we have
01:11:29.900
only seen a rise in left-wing violence we see them openly chanting for people to be killed
01:11:35.800
including donald trump violent speeches violence now people including nick shirley it can be went out
01:11:40.820
in some cases but not that you do journalism independent nick shirley's not a journalist yeah
01:11:45.880
he's not a journalist he's an idiot they told him he would get kirked okay okay wait hold on hold on
01:11:50.760
i'm gonna let i'm gonna let harry answer this i want to let harry answer this i just want to say two
01:11:53.460
things uh briefly what happened to charlie kirk was absolutely abhorrent and wrong and terrible i want
01:11:57.140
to point that out number one number two nick shirley is not a journalist okay i'll explain i'll
01:12:02.520
explain if you let me please look at these people freaking out he's not a journalist because he
01:12:05.660
actually breaks no there's nothing there's nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing about what nick
01:12:10.800
shirley the stupid video nothing was uh uncovered right we've been going after this fraud in minnesota
01:12:15.680
for a long time the biden hold on the biden doj literally brought charges against like 55 different
01:12:20.680
people in minnesota relating relating to do with political violence all right i know i'm just i just
01:12:26.020
quickly nick shirley didn't expose anything that we didn't already know and it was full of a bunch
01:12:30.480
of lies hate and racism that's all i'm saying look it's a truth here here look we both chris and i
01:12:36.420
first of all on a serious note the day that charlie kirk was shot and murdered we both got out there
01:12:41.460
on every platform and said it is horrific horrific horrific we condemn it i am not accusing you we agree
01:12:46.900
with all political violence is bad political violence is bad we we disagree with it we still
01:12:52.220
disagree with it we don't make jokes about it we don't laugh about it it was horrific we all saw it
01:12:55.440
on our timelines it was awful great now on the topic of political violence melissa hortman in
01:13:02.020
minnesota was murdered by a trump supporter who told the new york post he was a trump supporter and when
01:13:07.140
donald trump was asked are you good why didn't you lower the flags for melissa hortman why did you do
01:13:10.760
it for charlie kirk not her he said who when nancy pelosi's husband was beaten over the head
01:13:16.800
with a hammer donald trump jr posted a photo on instagram mocking it donald trump also mocked it
01:13:23.360
saying how's paul pelosi doing right now might i add january 6th was the largest example of political
01:13:29.220
violence in modern american harry harry wait wait can i finish this point it wasn't even the largest
01:13:35.700
example of political violence at the capitol it's the largest example of political violence in modern
01:13:39.540
american history what happened what about when what about when the poor rican nationalists shot up the
01:13:44.020
house floor and shot five members of congress that's bad that's bad what about what about what
01:13:47.440
wait hold on let me answer a question let me answer let me answer in the cap let me answer a question
01:13:51.180
and i'm happy to i'm happy to talk about condemn all of it that was the largest example of political
01:13:55.860
violence in recent american history and by what happened to those people they beat police officers
01:14:00.300
they got prosecuted by a proper doj and then donald trump pardoned them by the way many of them have
01:14:04.540
been uh convicted again or charged again on serious crimes like child pornography possession
01:14:08.020
right so uh you want to talk about political violence look at your own side donald trump mocks
01:14:12.380
political violence whereas we condemn all of it whether you're a democrat republican you should
01:14:16.880
be able to say what you want when you want do do democrats condemn all of it yes because there
01:14:21.280
was a very interesting article in a magazine i very rarely read called the atlantic which pointed out
01:14:26.060
that as of last year contrary to previous trends political violence became predominantly a left-wing
01:14:32.800
phenomenon rather than a right-wing phenomenon now this was based on evidence from a generally more
01:14:37.620
left-leaning institute obviously in the atlantic which is left-leaning and what what's funny about
01:14:42.140
it is even using their own data their data which exclude instances of left on right political
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violence including one that i experienced myself when antifa showed up and threw an explosive
01:14:53.500
at a building when i was on stage it was great it was okay we survived the poor cop was injured but
01:14:58.500
she she made it out okay eventually good uh that wasn't even counted in the data sets of political
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violence the blm violence which killed dozens of people wasn't counted in the data sets of political
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yeah and hold on the point i'm making here is go ahead even using data sets which by and large
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exclude left-wing political violence even the atlantic magazine admitted that today political
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violence in america is predominantly a left-wing not a right-wing phenomenon so i i but there's data
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undercounted on both sides i'm sure i've had political violence against me by republicans in the
01:15:26.920
streets it was awful and obviously i'm fine i made it but uh that was not counted in any of these studies
01:15:31.020
if i may ask you can ask well it was it was funny we were in the bar in new york city my friends and
01:15:35.240
i were walking around these guys came up to me they were like oh harry's this and they shoved the
01:15:37.840
phone in my face they threw a beer and we threw some punches it's fine it's never i've never talked
01:15:41.700
are you breaking news on me no no no no no no but you and i you and i've also both been swatted
01:15:46.720
we've also i've been swatted i've had the fbi sent to my my or the yeah i guess the fbi sent to
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my house my school all that crap it's been it's been bad um but do you condemn what donald trump
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did by mocking paul pelosi's assault yeah i i wouldn't mock paul pelosi's okay great wait but
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hold on but that was by the way that wasn't that wasn't that wasn't the question yes or no do you
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condemn donald trump pardoning the police officers donald trump he's the greatest president of my
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lifetime well that's okay so that's the difference that's great wait wait wait hold on hold on michael
01:16:15.220
michael michael michael and then i'm gonna ask the crowd as well do you condemn donald trump
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pardoning people who be police officers it uh which which people you're like the people on january
01:16:23.260
6th you're talking about alex no january 6th do you do you condemn i do condemn okay great and
01:16:26.720
renee good in their political behaviors do you condemn the people who be police officers on january
01:16:29.920
6th i i think that january 6th was okay you're not gonna give me an answer was one of the most
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20 bucks 20 bucks 20 bucks my question yes or no do you i'll answer them do you condemn donald
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do you condemn donald trump pardoning people who beat police officers i don't can i wait wait wait
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wait hold on i'm gonna ask the crowd as well do you guys condemn donald trump pardoning people
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who beat police officers almost to death i don't care about you yes or no yes i don't
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i want to point out i want to point out wait wait thank you this guy over here said who died on
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january 6th i want to point out there has been four capital police officers since that day who have
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taken their own life in relation hold on can i finish that's not the question he has hold on hold
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on in relation to that event because they had a bunch of maga people telling them that they were part
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of a deep state conspiracy they had nowhere to go they had families they took their own life so that's
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number one i don't think it's reasonable to say that you're blaming you're now expanding the
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definition of political violence to include expose i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not he made it he
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made a claim you are no he made a claim that the only person who died at january 6th for example is
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ashley babbitt i think it's correct i think it's dishonest to not talk about the police officers who
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have ptsd and then took their own life so when you don't condemn and further michael you don't
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fully condemn and i also want to point out you don't fully condemn political violence hold on i want to
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point out i i i don't fully condemn political violence in as much as y'all agree with that no i
01:17:46.960
don't someone clip that clip that oh okay okay a political violence that's motivated officers
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shooting criminals in certain cases that's just the death penalty is just okay go ahead two weeks
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ago two weeks ago a man named andrew johnson who was found guilty of assaulting a police officer on
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january 6th he had a prison sentence of i think it was two or three years he had not started
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his prison sentence yet he was he was pardoned damn he was it's so he was pardoned by donald
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he was pardoned by donald trump so he never served his sentence for assaulting a police officer on
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january 6th he was just arraigned in court because he molested an 11 year old boy three times with
01:18:23.620
subpoena text messages of him telling this 11 year old boy quote i was a january sixer i'm going to win
01:18:29.500
a bunch of money because i'm an american hero i'm going to leave it in my will for you and he was
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basically trying to you know obviously uh he was a predator right and so my point being
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is that donald trump pardoned this guy this 11 year old boy pardoned him for child abuse
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good grief he pardoned him he's because it's no no no it's almost as if someone if someone
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disingenuous no it's not because if somebody is willing to assault a police officer on january 6th
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it's almost like they are more likely to commit violent crimes within all of our communities
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this 11 year old boy no this is what they commit less crimes i know i am talking i am talking about i'm
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talking about and you don't want to deport them and that's why i won 20 bucks for me i'm talking
01:19:06.280
20 bucks on that he answered the question i'm talking about i'm talking about a donald
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i'm talking about a donald trump supporter the guy i'm talking about a donald trump supporter who
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at the direction of donald trump showed up to the capitol beat a police officer got pardoned and then
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molested an 11 year old boy and we're defending it what are we talking about i don't think anyone's
01:19:26.120
defending you're defending it why do you defend his pardon do you believe that boy would not have
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got molested hi is this question about stolen land and immigration i think it was supposed to be
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you can ask whatever you want question on that that i really really want to ask um so i come from
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the great land of the chieftain elizabeth warren and i would like to know hey hey first of all
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please describe to me the agreements that the puritans had with the natives that were there that was
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not stolen and b probably even more important and this goes right to you harry what i want to know
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is maura healy is our governor and she has asked citizens of massachusetts to take illegal immigrants
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into their homes and house them because they don't have enough housing for all of them so i just want to
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answer my question first not all land is stolen land and second harry are you willing to house the
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illegal immigrants that you want to have in this country please answer both questions uh well i'll
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start with your your latter one uh you're gonna have to repeat the first question again because i we do
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not live on stolen land completely because we have had agreements i'll just answer your question
01:20:45.160
so hold on the last question for what's the question for harry i know the question is are you
01:20:50.400
willing to do what maura healy asked the citizens of massachusetts to do and house illegal immigrants
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in your own home because she asked us to do that i wasn't willing to do that but i was wondering with
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you and your great heart and that's and that's exactly the point i'm about to make you don't you
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you're very easily entertained you would very easily entertained um so you're making the point i was
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about to make which is it's voluntary um she's asking citizens to step up if they want you don't
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nobody's forcing you and by the way we already have programs be quiet you right there be quiet
01:21:21.880
i know i'm getting to it i'm getting i'm getting i'm getting just be quiet i'm getting to it if you
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listen if you listen if you listen he says he's gonna get to it i'll believe him for now okay so
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you don't have to it's voluntary by the way we already have programs where people have sponsors in
01:21:35.480
the united states of america those are programs that existed under donald trump and joe biden now donald trump
01:21:39.740
so you can have a sponsor this is nothing new what your governor is talking about is nothing
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new so i don't know why you're taking particular objection because she's encouraging it she's
01:21:46.520
calling on people to do it as an active measure it's in it's voluntary correct it is okay great
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no problem so the government's not infringing on you the government's not infringing on you
01:21:54.260
whatsoever it's voluntary and unfortunately i will not be taking anybody in because i have a
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one bedroom in new york city it's very expensive so hold on you have a one bedroom yeah you don't
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have a studio no i do not a lot of new yorkers have studios well it depends on where you live
01:22:06.060
it depends on where you live but if you live where do you live well you don't understand i don't want
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you to die i could say but you have a one bedroom yes i do a lot of people have studios in new york
01:22:14.100
so you have an extra room no i'm sorry unfortunately i don't unfortunately i don't have any space
01:22:20.360
unfortunately for now i don't have any space but if you have space in your home and you want to play
01:22:25.000
into a program that we've already had for a very long time you can do so but nobody's forcing you to
01:22:29.560
take anybody in your home nobody's forcing you to take anybody in your home wow to hear i live in a
01:22:34.540
one bedroom in new york and i don't have any spats a mansion well you're from new york you know new
01:22:40.360
york there's no space in new york my one my one bedroom's a shoebox you know that okay i don't
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think i don't think these migrants i don't think they need a lot of space you know you give them
01:22:50.140
a nice little bed anyway i have another question is it technically stolen land can you speak yeah is
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it technically stolen land if you can't protect it if you can't yeah great okay and this actually
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ties in with the previous question so yeah i totally reject the point you made even at the
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top of this that we're all immigrants and all the land is stolen it's all sin and i i don't really
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agree with any of that uh some of our ancestors are immigrants some of them were settlers there's a
01:23:16.500
distinction between those two things uh the land was acquired in america through a variety of ways
01:23:21.340
uh the question was about the the indians and the the pilgrims who came on the mayflower which is a
01:23:27.320
great cigar company by the way so some of my ancestors were on there and i think that the
01:23:33.620
the uh narrative from the left that the pilgrims came the english came and they just ran roughshod
01:23:38.760
over the poor sweet little pocahontas i think that actually does a great injustice to the indians
01:23:43.680
because these were real men they were real statesmen they formed alliances the english pilgrims
01:23:48.340
actually helped the wampanoag nation massive chief massasoit in particular to create a great political
01:23:53.440
polity massasoit allied with them against the massachusetts when the massachusetts wanted to wipe
01:23:57.760
the english out unfortunately it all fell apart in king phillips war when the indians made a mistake
01:24:01.460
but these are real people uh so we acquired that land through treaties uh through some wars
01:24:08.060
treaties that followed wars student but but we're you know some war part is doing a lot of heavy
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i don't know if you guys are history buffs the indians also acquire their territory well yeah
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that was my ritual that was part of my ritual but i don't think most places
01:24:23.400
were founded through some amounts of sin but i don't think that's sin necessarily wars can be
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justified and this goes back to antiquity so uh the america the american country was founded through
01:24:34.620
treaties through wars through purchases obviously we doubled the size of the country in the louisiana
01:24:38.900
purchase uh and it is recognized by any way you slice international law including the law of
01:24:46.140
conquest which is recognized all the way up to 1907 in the hate convention it's recognized through the
01:24:50.320
doctrine of discovery it's recognized through uh the united nations the united nations charter so
01:24:55.620
there is actually no way i mean it's kind of a funny thing to debate billy eilish but some of the
01:25:00.780
libs very seriously claim this is stolen land well look we're not one of those we're not going out
01:25:05.080
there and saying stolen land yes but we believe i fundamentally believe on this topic of billy eilish
01:25:09.160
that there are probably more important issues out there than what billy eilish says at the grammys i think
01:25:12.700
maybe we should be focusing on housing prices and grocery prices and things like that you'd rather
01:25:16.100
talk about billy eilish no no no or the epstein files well we talked about that yeah i didn't
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want to double program it but but i would love to the point is it's not just billy eilish many
01:25:24.900
democrats in fact i think who claims like do you think this is like do you think this is a majority
01:25:29.480
position do you think do you think this is a majority position in the democratic party i think
01:25:34.680
it is a growing position and i think it's a broad look as somebody in the democratic party
01:25:38.640
america's not stolen land i'm not of the view i'm not going to go around saying that america's
01:25:42.960
stolen land so you don't think it's stolen land i'm not going to go around saying that no
01:25:45.860
i'm not asking what you're going to say you don't think it's stolen land do you think america's
01:25:48.900
stolen land i don't know here we go you say it's not a mainstream view half of you he just said he
01:25:55.760
doesn't know that doesn't mean he's taking the view he doesn't he doesn't think again i do i do
01:25:59.520
want to i do want to point out i do want to point out to the to the question the point i made earlier
01:26:02.360
is that like when i see that i don't again take take the position so literally i think the point of
01:26:07.540
saying no one is illegal on stolen land again comes back to at least some of our roots are based uh as
01:26:12.720
they are based i agree they're very very basic some of our roots some of our roots are based in
01:26:17.620
immigration and we shouldn't be demonizing a bunch of people just because they don't look like me who
01:26:23.240
came to america just to have a better life between legal and illegal immigration is there a distinction
01:26:28.300
yeah yes okay i think then you just made a disingenuous point because you tried to conflate
01:26:32.980
illegal immigration which is what people take issue with with immigration no no no i think the
01:26:36.880
point was no no i think the point was it matters why people come to the united states and if
01:26:41.000
some of us in our past came looking for a better life we were at least some of america was built
01:26:46.640
off immigration we should remember that based on the american dream even though we would probably
01:26:51.400
agree that our immigration system has been broken for a long time we need some massive reforms we want
01:26:56.300
people here the right way and legally right now because that system is so broken it has caused people
01:27:01.440
to be here either on expired visas why what is broken about it that caused illegal immigration uh part of
01:27:07.340
i mean well part of that is that if you request a visa like if you request a visa it may take
01:27:12.840
you might have a court date in eight or nine years we don't take enough people and wait that's not
01:27:17.400
what i said hold on you're you're claiming what's broken about it is we don't take enough people but
01:27:21.260
we've been taking legally a million people a year i didn't say i didn't say too many i didn't say i
01:27:26.360
didn't say it's that we uh we don't take enough i said that it takes so long even if you if you have a
01:27:31.300
justifiable reason and you want to follow the american dream like we all supposedly believe in so we
01:27:35.020
shouldn't take more legal immigrants i believe that we should in joe biden so you do think we
01:27:39.700
should take more i do believe we should take more illegal oh jesus christ i do believe we should
01:27:44.000
take more legal immigration joe biden tried to pass a massive immigration bill i was just confused
01:27:48.440
because you just said you weren't saying hold on hold on joe biden tried to pass a massive
01:27:51.500
immigration bill that would have increased the amount of legal immigrants i know i'm glad that
01:27:55.480
it was a bipartisan bill republicans obviously not bipartisan enough uh it was written by a
01:28:00.840
republican hey quick question so throughout this entire time oh i love this guy i love this guy
01:28:05.280
sorry go ahead who's up there oh no yeah no i love him go ahead so throughout this entire conversation
01:28:10.700
of immigration i keep hearing uh from chris and i believe harry as well that we need to deport only
01:28:16.000
violent criminal illegals yeah it is insane that on a public platform you would be willing to put your
01:28:21.840
fellow countrymen aside for foreigners who do not have any right to be here and this is the reason
01:28:26.760
this is the reason i say that this is the this is my reasoning my reasoning is i'm sick and tired of
01:28:32.120
seeing articles of like trend aragua rapes a woman in this state ms 13 rapes a man in the in this state
01:28:38.140
or woman or whatever it be they're freaking crazy my issue is all of these people you can't say violent
01:28:43.780
criminal aliens because we didn't know they were violent before we looked into them we have no idea who
01:28:49.040
these people are even if they've been here for 30 years that's a great point hold on i like this guy
01:28:53.260
he's a bad point i i want to i want to say two things you say uh like cast your fellow americans
01:28:57.640
aside i think at all levels uh immigration helps american citizens i thought that this cato focus on
01:29:04.100
this point i will focus on this hold on hold on i will focus on molly tibbitz because because
01:29:08.300
undocumented no you don't who said that i said who said lakin riley who's molly tibbitz exactly because
01:29:15.380
she was a woman killed under donald trump so you pick on the woman that was killed under joe biden
01:29:19.520
by an illegal you mean by an undocumented immigrant yeah right so she was she was listen listen to
01:29:24.940
what i'm saying to you listen to what i'm saying the illegals didn't all just disappear hold on
01:29:28.600
hold on michael hold on michael you specifically you know lakin riley's name for a political reason
01:29:34.020
i ask you who's molly tibbitz a woman who was killed you don't know her because it happened under
01:29:38.360
donald trump and you don't care if it happens under donald trump in fairness president the question
01:29:41.540
you don't know who she is you don't know she is to this to this graceful to this point i don't care
01:29:47.320
that she was murdered you don't care that she was murdered well there's a federal law you said
01:29:50.520
i don't care so do you do you do you care or no well you don't no you don't care enough excuse me
01:29:57.320
you don't care enough however here is still evading you don't care enough because you didn't know her
01:30:00.900
name regardless you didn't know her name regardless you was okay disgraceful you're disgraceful
01:30:06.240
It is disgraceful that so many Americans are killed by illegals.
01:30:09.860
Undocumented immigrants commit significantly less crime than native-born Americans.
01:30:13.280
And that's my point, regardless of the economic data that shows that undocumented people support the United States fiscally for a variety of reasons.
01:30:20.160
It's also, through two separate studies, undocumented individuals are less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born U.S. citizens.
01:30:39.520
We obviously all think that violent crime is unacceptable, but undocumented individuals are less likely...
01:30:46.380
...are less likely to commit violent crimes than native U.S.-born citizens.
01:30:52.780
Jacob's question is, why would you throw your native fellow Americans under the bus because you say we should deport the violent criminal native...
01:31:03.380
...but we only know that they're violent criminals once they have committed the crime.
01:31:07.900
And the premise here is that none of these crimes, not a single one of them, would have been committed if the illegals had simply been deported in the first place.
01:31:17.900
It's mind-numbing to me that you keep bringing up certain crimes by certain people, but you again voted for a convicted felon.
01:31:25.760
You clearly don't care about violations a lot that much.
01:31:34.800
On this point, we have to deal with the American citizens who commit crimes.
01:31:42.320
The illegal aliens who are here, who go on to commit more violent crimes, we don't have
01:31:47.200
So every single violent crime that an illegal alien commits is unnecessary.
01:31:51.300
And to Jacob's point, as he's asking you, why would you allow...
01:31:54.640
Why would you open yourself up and your fellow Americans up to even one of those violent crimes
01:31:58.680
or rapes or murder when you don't have to and it's against the law?
01:32:01.140
Wait, you were part of the people that opened us up to the crimes of Donald Trump.
01:32:06.500
That's not because you don't care about the law.
01:32:09.400
The beginning of the question is why would you open up your fellow Americans to this
01:32:16.700
suggesting that illegal immigration or immigration as a whole is this massive disservice?
01:32:27.480
The premise being the suggestion that illegal immigrants are somehow much more likely to
01:32:35.420
The premise is any crime that is committed by an illegal in America is unnecessary.
01:32:40.420
Why would you therefore support illegal immigration?
01:32:50.180
But listen, because again, Michael, this is why it's nuanced, right?
01:33:01.340
But we recognize that the immigration system right now is broken.
01:33:04.060
There are people who are facing gang violence in their respective countries that want a
01:33:08.300
I'm sure that everybody in this room can put themselves in the shoes of an undocumented
01:33:14.260
And they would do anything to save their family.
01:33:15.360
Is anybody going to answer Jacob's question or no?
01:33:29.360
Because it would have given more illegal aliens a path to citizenship in the United States
01:33:35.000
and it would have encouraged more mass migration.
01:33:36.960
Wait, so encouraging people to become legal citizens is bad now?
01:33:42.580
So we don't want to reward the crime and create more of it.
01:33:44.960
You just hate all immigrants, legal or illegal.
01:33:49.680
Well, you just said that we shouldn't bring, we shouldn't give undocumented immigrants
01:33:54.640
Right, we should not reward their crimes and you don't fix a problem by just redefining
01:34:00.420
If they've been given, if they've been in the United States for 30 years, they've given
01:34:03.520
back to their community by working a job they haven't committed a crime, why shouldn't
01:34:07.140
They can go back and apply to become American citizens if they want.
01:34:19.260
Yeah, didn't your hypothetical start with if there's an undocumented person here and they
01:34:22.800
happen to commit a violent crime, then therefore it's an atrocity that they're all here?
01:34:25.380
Yeah, that was the question that neither of you will answer.
01:34:39.640
Okay, and who thinks it was the conservative side?
01:34:51.440
Oh, I got to go with my guy in the, I forget his name, baseball cap.
01:35:01.580
Jacob was very nice to us all day when you were at your head.
01:35:05.740
I gave him explicit instructions to be a huge jerk.
01:35:14.660
So the question is, who lost the hardest tonight?
01:35:18.480
Which is related to who's buying the next round, which is not related to, but it is coincident
01:35:51.300
And they have microphones, so it's kind of louder.
01:35:55.460
That was, I knew it from the minute he walked out.