The Michael Knowles Show - February 14, 2026


2 Liberals vs. Michael Knowles: BAR FIGHT | Mike Nellis & Michael DeFeo


Episode Stats

Length

40 minutes

Words per Minute

220.70683

Word Count

8,922

Sentence Count

813

Misogynist Sentences

19

Hate Speech Sentences

14


Summary

On this episode of Bar Fight, we discuss the death of Alex Preddy, a man who was exercising his Second Amendment rights when he was gunned down by a group of heavily armed, heavily armed federal agents in the streets of Minneapolis.


Transcript

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00:00:44.100 You should be pissed off that the federal government is lying to you like this.
00:00:47.020 Did we say military-run camps?
00:00:48.900 Military camps force people to be straight.
00:00:51.140 I like that. That's a strong idea.
00:00:52.320 I want to know why you expect to be taken seriously in a political debate
00:00:56.200 when you showed up to the debate in a hoodie.
00:00:58.060 It's called bar fight.
00:00:59.240 Well, welcome to Bar Fight.
00:01:05.260 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:01:06.020 I'm joined tonight by two guests.
00:01:08.820 Co-founder of White Dudes for Harris.
00:01:11.160 Senior advisor to Kamala Harris' presidential campaign, Mike Nellis.
00:01:15.720 They've lied.
00:01:16.260 We should take nothing that this administration says at face value.
00:01:18.640 And now our next guest.
00:01:19.920 He's a liberal content creator
00:01:21.440 who spends most of his time complaining about the Democrat Party,
00:01:24.480 which is something that he and I actually have in common.
00:01:26.400 That is Michael DeFeo.
00:01:30.540 Here is how this show works.
00:01:36.620 We will be debating three of the most controversial topics of our day.
00:01:40.840 The bell rings.
00:01:42.320 We duke it out for that round.
00:01:43.960 And then our friends in the crowd can come up to the microphones
00:01:46.440 and pick a fight with any of us.
00:01:48.220 And anyone who comes up to the mic can win special prizes.
00:01:51.180 And a seat at our VIP section sponsored by Redneck Riviera Whiskey.
00:01:56.860 Mike.
00:01:57.800 Mike.
00:01:58.940 Are you ready to begin?
00:02:00.220 Michael.
00:02:00.760 I am ready to begin.
00:02:02.360 It's round one.
00:02:08.620 I love this.
00:02:09.900 Now, Mike.
00:02:10.700 That Mike.
00:02:11.580 You kick us off.
00:02:12.920 What is your topic?
00:02:14.160 My topic is Alex Preddy's death proves Trump hates the Second Amendment.
00:02:19.200 All right.
00:02:19.480 Make your case.
00:02:20.620 All right.
00:02:21.740 So to the crowd for a moment,
00:02:23.120 raise your hand if you ever heard of the siege of Waco, Texas.
00:02:26.360 Woo!
00:02:27.020 Few people.
00:02:27.880 Right.
00:02:28.180 Did somebody woo that?
00:02:30.460 We're off to a weird start.
00:02:31.320 I don't know what side they're on.
00:02:32.400 Yeah.
00:02:32.620 I'm concerned.
00:02:33.740 So after the siege of Waco, Texas,
00:02:35.100 there was a massive increase in sponsorship and membership of militias
00:02:40.640 and paramilitary groups here in the United States.
00:02:43.000 It skyrocketed after 1993 through 2000 and then skyrocketed again in 2009 through 2012.
00:02:51.040 I wonder what happened in those four years.
00:02:53.100 So during that time, people began to be concerned about American military operations here on our
00:02:59.300 own soil in something called Jade Helm 15, where Obama was using special forces to do training
00:03:05.760 in Texas.
00:03:07.120 Governor Abbott said that he was mobilizing the National Guard to defend the Second Amendment
00:03:11.440 property rights and civil rights of Texans.
00:03:14.760 They made it a whole thing on Fox News.
00:03:16.580 They called it the Texas takeover, as if we need to take over Texas.
00:03:19.780 It's already part of the United States.
00:03:21.820 And Alex Jones made it as mainstream as humanly possible because the United States was under siege
00:03:28.000 from its military and its government who was going to take away its Second Amendment rights.
00:03:31.340 Wayne LaPierre made jackbooted thugs, a popular term with the NRA, for years about massed agents
00:03:39.900 of the state coming to take away your Second Amendment rights.
00:03:43.220 Alex Preddy was exercising his Second Amendment right in Minneapolis with a registered firearm,
00:03:50.500 a concealed carry permit.
00:03:52.380 He never unholstered the weapon, and he was still killed by massed agents of the state.
00:03:58.360 My question is, is this not the exact nightmare that Alex Jones pushed, that the NRA pushed
00:04:05.180 for decades on us?
00:04:07.300 Now, Alex Jones has said that his death was not a horrible accident that deserves investigation.
00:04:13.340 He said he deserves it.
00:04:15.320 Donald Trump said that you should not and cannot have guns in protests.
00:04:20.800 You cannot have guns around federal agents.
00:04:23.080 Even the D.C. attorney said you cannot have firearms in Washington, D.C., legal or illegal.
00:04:30.940 So my question is, how is it possible that Donald Trump is the most pro-Second Amendment
00:04:35.620 president in history when the exact right-wing fever dream that we were fed for 25 years has
00:04:41.440 come to fruition under his presidency?
00:04:43.740 And he is the one who has the words coming out of his mouth saying you cannot legally carry
00:04:48.240 a firearm around federal agents.
00:04:50.640 If that came out of Barack Obama's mouth, I mean, you all got very mad with the tan suit.
00:04:54.820 Imagine how you would react to those kinds of words.
00:04:57.100 I thought the tan suit was fashionable.
00:04:58.740 I'll take that in order.
00:04:59.860 So you claim that Alex Petty's killing would prove that Donald Trump hates the Second Amendment.
00:05:05.820 Now, it's worth pointing out that Trump said that he objects to the killing of Alex Petty.
00:05:11.480 He was sad to see it.
00:05:12.540 Sure.
00:05:12.780 Some of us think it was totally justifiable.
00:05:15.060 It's always kind of sad, but, you know, I'm not losing sleep over it.
00:05:18.060 I'm sorry, is this the same Donald Trump who said that he's an assassin?
00:05:21.380 No, Trump didn't say that.
00:05:22.580 Trump didn't say that.
00:05:23.020 Well, they backed up Christy Noem.
00:05:24.680 Some members of his administration called him an assassin.
00:05:26.380 But we're talking about Trump.
00:05:27.300 So Trump says he was sad to see it.
00:05:29.960 He didn't want it to happen.
00:05:30.840 So right off the bat, it would be hard to arrive at the conclusion from that that Trump
00:05:35.940 hates the Second Amendment because he didn't justify the killing of Alex Petty, though I would
00:05:38.940 do so.
00:05:39.740 Furthermore, though, on the point of the Second Amendment, specifically with Trump, not Alex Jones,
00:05:44.000 not Waco, Texas, not the 90s, Donald Trump.
00:05:46.400 I think we would all have to agree to a handful of facts.
00:05:48.760 One, Donald Trump, in his second term, rescinded some of the ATF regulations that Joe Biden
00:05:54.480 had put on the gun stores.
00:05:55.860 So that's very pro-Second Amendment.
00:05:57.260 Trump took us out of the gun-grabbing UN arms trade treaty, very pro-Second Amendment.
00:06:02.640 President Trump has, broadly speaking, supported our traditional constitutional rights.
00:06:08.220 Broadly speaking, with a few caveats.
00:06:10.440 No, I'm giving you specific examples of this.
00:06:12.400 But broadly speaking, he's been consistent for 10 years on the Second Amendment.
00:06:16.620 On a few things, he's backed off it, like he banned bump stock.
00:06:19.720 Some of the Second Amendment guys don't love that, but most of the liberals were totally
00:06:22.780 fine with it.
00:06:23.500 In any case, we've always had circumscription.
00:06:26.720 We've always had some limits on the Second Amendment.
00:06:28.840 The question here, since you bring up Alex Petty, is was the killing of Alex Petty justified,
00:06:34.560 whether or not he had a gun?
00:06:35.740 That's not the question we're asking.
00:06:36.940 The question is whether or not his killing and the reaction to it from Donald Trump, she
00:06:42.060 did say he was sad about it, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't, that doesn't mean that
00:06:45.660 he supports the Second Amendment around federal officers, because he has said he does not
00:06:50.020 want people having guns around federal officers.
00:06:51.940 It's a very different question than, am I upset that a man was killed?
00:06:55.200 I think it's entirely reasonable to be empathetic to someone being killed like that.
00:06:59.280 But do you support the Second Amendment or do you not in all circumstances when you call
00:07:03.000 yourself the most pro-Second Amendment president in history?
00:07:05.960 Yeah, but I guess in some of the examples I've just cited, President Trump overwhelmingly
00:07:09.980 has a pro-Second Amendment policy agenda, albeit with some caveats like the bump stocks
00:07:13.540 and the tightening up the background.
00:07:15.740 And no guns around federal officers at protests.
00:07:17.760 Well, that was a point he made, which is a prudential point.
00:07:20.240 And I think this is the key here, because if we say that Alex Petty was carrying a weapon
00:07:24.240 and therefore an officer shooting him is a violation of his Second Amendment rights,
00:07:28.440 I think that fundamentally misunderstands what's going on.
00:07:31.040 Alex Petty had a concealed carry permit.
00:07:33.140 That's right.
00:07:33.520 His parents told CBS News that he never actually used it.
00:07:36.500 He never carried the weapon until recently.
00:07:39.240 I wonder why.
00:07:40.860 Well, right.
00:07:41.500 Why did he bring it?
00:07:42.220 Why did he bring a gun that was fully loaded with two magazines to obstruct law enforcement?
00:07:46.100 That he never holstered.
00:07:49.180 Yeah, wait.
00:07:49.560 I want to jump in here for a second, because let's define the facts of the video and the
00:07:53.160 facts of the case of the murder.
00:07:54.220 And I believe it's a murder of Alex Petty.
00:07:55.840 Okay.
00:07:56.260 Standing on the sidewalk, goes to help a woman who got pushed down by an ICE agent, doesn't
00:07:59.920 brandish the weapon, doesn't touch it, doesn't use it in any meaningful way.
00:08:02.480 He gets thrown to the ground.
00:08:03.560 That part's debatable.
00:08:04.440 No, that part is not debatable.
00:08:05.820 Go watch the video.
00:08:06.360 There are questions on the video.
00:08:07.440 There are no questions.
00:08:08.020 There's going to be an investigation, but it's unclear whether or not he should have an
00:08:10.380 investigation.
00:08:10.540 Yeah, I'm sure this administration is going to lead with quite the investigation, Jesus.
00:08:13.300 Sorry, the cheers came out a little bit for me.
00:08:15.720 Look, he was dragged to the ground, beaten by like eight ICE agents, shot in the back
00:08:19.620 three times.
00:08:20.080 They had already taken his gun at the time that they shot him.
00:08:21.960 But the question-
00:08:22.380 No, no, no.
00:08:23.120 Just let me finish my point, because there's no reason for him to be dead right now.
00:08:26.980 There's none.
00:08:27.880 And then the reaction from the right is that, oh, he died because he brought a gun to a
00:08:31.360 rally.
00:08:32.300 No.
00:08:32.840 And by the way, it wasn't even a protest.
00:08:33.800 You were standing on the sidewalk.
00:08:34.440 That's not really the reaction.
00:08:35.440 As a card-carrying member of the right, the question is, was the officer justified in
00:08:39.660 shooting Alex Freddie?
00:08:40.420 And so then the question there would become, what would be the cause of that?
00:08:43.700 The cause would be, according to federal law, the imminent threat of bodily harm to the
00:08:49.200 officers or to anyone around him.
00:08:51.100 What would a reasonable officer have perceived that when a guy shows up to obstruct law
00:08:56.040 enforcement to commit a crime-
00:08:57.180 He did not do that, though.
00:08:58.040 With a loaded gun.
00:08:58.280 That's not true.
00:08:58.980 He was already hit, and he was already beaten to the ground.
00:09:00.900 Let me just finish the-
00:09:01.700 Since we're establishing facts.
00:09:02.580 He was already beaten-
00:09:03.080 No, because you're not establishing the facts.
00:09:04.640 I am establishing-
00:09:04.980 He was beaten on the ground.
00:09:05.840 They'd taken his gun.
00:09:06.520 They shot him three times in the back.
00:09:08.100 You're only beginning from when he's on the ground.
00:09:09.760 Eleven days earlier, he'd assaulted a law enforcement officer.
00:09:10.920 Eleven days earlier is irrelevant to what happened.
00:09:12.900 The only thing that matters is what happened when they murdered him.
00:09:15.120 Hold on, hold on.
00:09:15.260 You can try to filibuster, but we have to establish the facts.
00:09:17.460 You are filibuster.
00:09:18.520 I mean, you're just making shit up, Michael.
00:09:20.560 Guys, if we're going to establish the facts, eleven days-
00:09:22.740 Eleven days prior, I'll just finish this establishment, then we can talk about it in the comments.
00:09:26.800 Eleven days prior, he had assaulted a law enforcement vehicle while obstructing ICE.
00:09:31.300 He then showed up again to obstruct law enforcement.
00:09:33.900 He had a loaded gun with two full magazines, and a reasonable officer-
00:09:37.060 That is irrelevant.
00:09:38.380 A reasonable officer, while he is committing a crime, certainly could believe that he was
00:09:42.920 an imminent threat.
00:09:43.540 Can I give you my last point?
00:09:45.260 Since we-
00:09:47.680 All of that can be debated, but my point-
00:09:50.480 That part can't be debated.
00:09:51.480 No, no, no.
00:09:51.820 My point that Donald Trump is anti-Second Amendment because of this event, Americans should not
00:09:58.740 face death at the hands of the state for just carrying a registered firearm.
00:10:04.060 What about carrying a registered firearm and obstructing law enforcement?
00:10:07.320 That is not a death sentence.
00:10:08.780 What if you pose a threat to officers?
00:10:10.820 He did not.
00:10:11.340 He was already on the ground.
00:10:12.400 He was not even obstructing-
00:10:13.680 I don't think it's reasonable to shoot that man.
00:10:16.220 Is there any evidence that Alex Preddy would assault law enforcement?
00:10:19.100 There is.
00:10:19.700 He had done it 11 days prior.
00:10:21.340 He kicked a car 11 days prior.
00:10:23.680 Like, really?
00:10:24.160 Like, come on.
00:10:25.300 Questions?
00:10:25.800 Outside of Twitter, this is an 80-20 issue.
00:10:27.600 Like, this is ridiculous.
00:10:28.600 Okay, I have a question for Mike number three.
00:10:31.380 You know, on the right-
00:10:31.800 That could be any of us.
00:10:33.280 It's the one on the way right.
00:10:35.000 On the right, people believe that Kyle Rittenhouse, like, he had a right to carry the gun to that
00:10:39.880 protest.
00:10:40.500 But I think we all can agree that that was unwise because of what happened.
00:10:44.480 How is what Alex Preddy did any different?
00:10:46.960 I think under the law, he did have the right to carry that gun.
00:10:49.520 What he did with it was what I take objection to.
00:10:52.700 He protected himself from a pedophile leftist terrorist.
00:10:56.240 I take objection to him shooting people with the gun that he did legally have the right
00:11:00.860 to carry.
00:11:01.120 What if they shoot him first?
00:11:02.320 Or shoot at him first?
00:11:03.260 So are we going to get to that now?
00:11:04.400 Because the ICE agents were not-
00:11:06.060 There was no gun out.
00:11:07.340 First of all, Kyle Rittenhouse had his gun out and brandished.
00:11:10.180 Hold on.
00:11:10.580 Alex Preddy did not have his gun out and brandished.
00:11:11.180 I thought Alex Preddy had been disarmed.
00:11:13.060 There was a gun out.
00:11:13.540 He had been disarmed.
00:11:13.880 He did-
00:11:14.340 I'm saying he did not-
00:11:14.700 So was the gun out or the gun was in?
00:11:15.920 No, no, no.
00:11:16.400 I'm telling you, he did not brandish his weapon.
00:11:18.960 He did never brandish his weapon.
00:11:19.540 He did not brandish his weapon.
00:11:21.080 When they got him into the ground-
00:11:22.220 They are federal law enforcement officers.
00:11:23.400 Was the gun in or was the gun out?
00:11:24.080 The first thing that a federal law enforcement-
00:11:25.280 This is Schrodinger's gun.
00:11:26.400 It's in and out half the time.
00:11:27.260 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:11:28.500 Listen, my father was a 34-year veteran of the FBI, three-time Trump voter, huge Republican.
00:11:32.640 I've talked to him about-
00:11:33.520 Woo!
00:11:33.960 Yeah!
00:11:34.240 All right.
00:11:34.620 Oh, yeah.
00:11:35.240 Can we get him up here?
00:11:36.240 I want him up here.
00:11:37.060 Oh, he'd be happy to do this.
00:11:38.120 But he would-
00:11:39.540 He would-
00:11:39.980 What happened to me?
00:11:41.860 So what happened to you, he says.
00:11:43.280 All kids rebel.
00:11:44.360 I tell you, I took after my mother, but she's more conservative than my father.
00:11:46.780 All right, all right.
00:11:48.220 This is a good family.
00:11:49.160 My dad will tell you, this is a bad shoot.
00:11:51.700 And I've talked to-
00:11:52.280 I've never heard my father say any law enforcement shooting was bad until this one.
00:11:56.580 At the time that six ICE agents had beaten Alex Peretti, got him to the ground, the first
00:12:00.040 thing they're going to do is check for a firearm.
00:12:01.640 And that's what they did.
00:12:02.480 And one of them took it, and then another one shot him three times in the back.
00:12:05.320 I'm sure your father is a very respectable guy with a nice, long history serving America,
00:12:09.340 and he voted for Trump, which I love.
00:12:10.880 All three times?
00:12:11.280 He voted for him in all three elections that Trump won.
00:12:13.260 However, I think you will find that even the subjective judgment of one law enforcement
00:12:21.860 officer or another is not going to overcome the law.
00:12:24.420 And even liberal lawyers seem to agree that the predicate here for using force was totally
00:12:30.780 met.
00:12:31.160 No, there are-
00:12:31.760 Alex Peretti will not go to prison.
00:12:32.800 No, no, listen.
00:12:33.100 We did a good job getting to whether or not he deserved to die when the question was,
00:12:36.940 is Trump still supporting the Second Amendment by what he said?
00:12:40.460 I thought we had resolved that.
00:12:41.480 Because, again, I'm certainly happy to defend the shooting of Alex Peretti.
00:12:46.400 Trump doesn't really do that himself.
00:12:48.300 Right, so that's my question.
00:12:49.840 Trump called him a domestic terrorist over the weekend.
00:12:52.980 The Trump administration has gone after him.
00:12:54.560 No, no, Donald Trump himself on Truth Social posted that he was a domestic terrorist like
00:12:57.420 four days ago.
00:12:57.800 Was it a re-truth?
00:12:58.960 No, it was him in his own words.
00:13:00.280 Interesting.
00:13:00.460 Wow, okay.
00:13:00.920 I didn't-
00:13:01.180 I mean, it was in lowercase, so I'm not sure he wrote it.
00:13:03.040 I'm glad to hear that Trump is defending the shooting of Alex Peretti even more than he
00:13:06.200 had been.
00:13:06.620 Right, all right.
00:13:07.560 Do we have another question?
00:13:08.500 Do we have time?
00:13:08.960 No.
00:13:09.060 Well, I would like to go back to the original claim of Michael III.
00:13:13.520 Yes.
00:13:14.320 Are we establishing one, two, three?
00:13:16.220 Yes.
00:13:16.680 Okay, great.
00:13:17.220 I'd like to go back to your premise, which is you're saying that his description of not
00:13:23.840 or request not to bring firearms around federal agents, can you describe why his request for
00:13:31.180 people not to do that because it's dangerous is him being anti-Second Amendment?
00:13:34.680 He didn't request, he said you can't do it, and that is, that decries to me a second,
00:13:41.400 a bias against the Second Amendment because he doesn't want people who he doesn't like
00:13:45.660 to be around law enforcement with weapons, and that is a concerning slippery slope because
00:13:50.400 as soon as you start saying only certain groups cannot practice the Second Amendment
00:13:55.280 to the whole degree-
00:13:56.560 But it wouldn't be groups, it would be certain situations, certain circumstances for any group.
00:13:59.900 It would be protesters, anti-ICE protesters, likely anti-Trump protesters.
00:14:04.080 Yes, I agree.
00:14:04.940 Criminals should not bring guns around cops.
00:14:07.020 I think it's a bad idea.
00:14:07.820 Protest is a First Amendment right.
00:14:08.560 It doesn't make you a criminal.
00:14:09.400 But obstructing law enforcement is not a protest.
00:14:11.040 It's also not a sentence.
00:14:11.360 Can you show me in the video where he obstructed justice in that incident where he was killed?
00:14:14.540 Don't talk about him kicking a car because it's irrelevant to the story.
00:14:17.320 Well, that is a good example.
00:14:18.840 It's not irrelevant.
00:14:19.260 It's not an example.
00:14:19.800 It was 11 days prior.
00:14:20.780 It's not an example because at the moment-
00:14:21.280 It's a good example for premeditated murder if they knew who he was prior to killing him.
00:14:24.420 But I want to just add something a little bit broader to Michael's point here, which
00:14:26.840 is that I believe that Donald Trump's support for the Constitution is completely situational.
00:14:31.860 He wants the Second Amendment for him and his people.
00:14:33.740 He wants the First Amendment for him and his people.
00:14:35.460 Doesn't want it for anybody who stands up to him.
00:14:37.220 And so they blame Alex-
00:14:38.120 What's your evidence for that?
00:14:39.200 What's my evidence for that?
00:14:39.560 Other than say Alex-
00:14:40.320 Listen, they talk about being a First Amendment absolutist, but he's got no problem using the power of the FCC
00:14:44.020 to silence a comedian that he doesn't like.
00:14:45.500 He's got no problem-
00:14:46.400 When did he do that?
00:14:47.220 Which comedian?
00:14:48.220 Jimmy Kimmel.
00:14:48.680 He got him taken off the air.
00:14:49.460 Is Jimmy Kimmel off the air?
00:14:50.760 He was off the air.
00:14:51.440 Doesn't mean he didn't try.
00:14:52.240 He was off the air until-
00:14:54.400 How long was he off the air?
00:14:55.100 Hold on.
00:14:55.340 He was off the air for a few days, but it came to the point where guys like Ted Cruz
00:14:58.600 had to come out and say what Donald Trump did was wrong.
00:15:00.280 I adore Ted Cruz.
00:15:01.260 He's a good friend of mine, but we had a disagreement on that.
00:15:03.460 Okay.
00:15:03.820 I mean, then your support for the Constitution is situational too.
00:15:06.100 No, because-
00:15:06.920 Oh, no.
00:15:07.380 I'm a First Amendment absolutist.
00:15:09.100 Well, I'm not a First Amendment absolutist.
00:15:10.620 I believe in the Second Amendment, but not for Alex-
00:15:12.360 I'm a First Amendment absolutist, but no, network television is licensed through the
00:15:16.800 government, so the government has a regulatory authority.
00:15:18.180 Oh, it's licensed, so that makes it okay for them to shut down a comedian because they
00:15:19.780 made a joke that Trump didn't like.
00:15:21.240 Yeah, basically.
00:15:22.580 Oh, I see.
00:15:23.240 Well, hey, these are honest.
00:15:24.680 I mean, that's good.
00:15:25.080 I just also want to note that earlier Michael was talking about how we have to have gun
00:15:27.780 regulations, but if I were to suggest we do something about school shootings, be
00:15:30.460 like, oh my God, it's horrible.
00:15:32.040 Like, come on.
00:15:32.580 What would I say?
00:15:33.400 What would I say in this hypothetical situation you've invented for yourself?
00:15:36.020 Oh, hypothetical situation like school shootings that happen every single day in America?
00:15:39.600 No, the hypothetical is the conversation that we had in your head
00:15:42.260 about school shootings.
00:15:43.040 No, because earlier you were talking about how there has to be limits on guns.
00:15:45.880 Yeah, there are limits to all rights.
00:15:47.120 I know.
00:15:47.400 Yeah, I understand that.
00:15:48.700 So what was the hypothetical point?
00:15:50.200 Well, if I was to come out and say, hey, we got to do something about school shootings,
00:15:52.960 you and the-
00:15:53.860 Okay, what should we do?
00:15:55.100 We should have more armed guards in schools, and we should arrest more criminals.
00:15:58.540 Can we also make it harder for people to get a firearm who are going to use it?
00:16:01.460 I'll give you a good example.
00:16:02.440 There have been a lot of people who suffer from mental illnesses, especially the transgender
00:16:06.360 delusion, who have shot up schools and churches, and they should be put into psychiatric
00:16:10.040 care and not be getting firearms.
00:16:11.300 He's talking about one person.
00:16:12.860 I'm talking about more than one person.
00:16:13.740 And by the way, the NRA had to come out and rebuke conservatives like Michael here for
00:16:17.040 saying that transgender individuals shouldn't be able to own firearms.
00:16:19.360 Constitution protects them, too.
00:16:20.580 Well, hold on.
00:16:21.120 It's situational for guys like you.
00:16:22.340 No, I just don't think that the NRA is the infallible authority on Constitution.
00:16:27.120 Which I agree.
00:16:28.320 Okay.
00:16:28.760 Trans.
00:16:29.440 Yeah, trans.
00:16:30.180 Someone said trans.
00:16:31.440 Trans?
00:16:32.960 No.
00:16:33.660 Are you?
00:16:34.340 He has to be trans.
00:16:35.480 All right, all right.
00:16:36.040 That's enough.
00:16:37.040 Can we get that guy a beer on my tab, please?
00:16:38.740 Seems like he needs it.
00:16:40.540 Okay.
00:16:40.960 That's success.
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00:18:17.980 It's time for round two.
00:18:29.380 A giant Polish man has just moved me sitting in my chair.
00:18:32.720 It's time for round two.
00:18:34.280 Mike, what are we talking about?
00:18:35.400 Is that a fetish of yours?
00:18:36.800 Not until now.
00:18:38.020 I think you keep that to yourself.
00:18:39.180 This is a family-friendly crowd.
00:18:40.380 Apparently.
00:18:40.580 All right, my claim here is Trump's failure to prosecute Epstein's associates reveals the
00:18:46.940 rot in our federal government.
00:18:48.600 Okay.
00:18:49.300 All right.
00:18:49.800 What's your case?
00:18:50.540 All right.
00:18:50.940 So look, there is a cabal of very rich and powerful individuals, and it extends beyond
00:18:57.000 party politics and partisanship or anything like that.
00:19:00.180 That...
00:19:00.780 I'm sorry.
00:19:01.660 What, sir?
00:19:02.300 Minnesota.
00:19:03.180 The evil cabal is in Minnesota.
00:19:05.280 Fair enough.
00:19:05.800 There is an evil cabal there, too.
00:19:06.960 I agree.
00:19:07.140 Evil cabal everywhere, apparently.
00:19:09.380 But these guys, of these rich and powerful men, think they can do anything they want
00:19:13.960 with impunity, and it includes potentially Bill Clinton, most likely, based on the files.
00:19:18.000 It includes Donald Trump, who's been credibly on the record from people who have signed,
00:19:22.920 like, done interviews with the FBI on the record under threat of perjury that Donald
00:19:26.060 Trump threatened a 14-year-old girl.
00:19:29.300 And you've got...
00:19:30.280 And look, there's a ton of Democrats, a ton of Republicans in there, and at the end of
00:19:32.520 the day, nobody's been prosecuted.
00:19:33.680 And even just for a second, set aside the powerful celebrities that we've seen, the
00:19:37.260 powerful politicians that we've seen.
00:19:38.760 How is it possible that a thousand young girls and a thousand young boys have been trafficked,
00:19:43.820 and only one person's ever gone to prison?
00:19:45.800 It's Jelaine Maxwell, and she runs herself a minimum security prison.
00:19:49.200 And Epstein.
00:19:49.920 And Epstein, who, you know, killed himself, which I don't buy at all.
00:19:53.740 And I think that Trump is a huge part of it.
00:19:56.040 Trump is mentioned more times in the Epstein files than Harry Potter is in the entire Harry
00:19:59.520 Potter series.
00:20:00.840 Okay?
00:20:01.440 And so, Donald Trump wants to look at the American people and say, I don't know Jeffrey
00:20:05.840 Epstein.
00:20:06.200 I had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein, except he met his wife at an Epstein party.
00:20:09.820 He partied with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:20:11.220 He's talked about being friends with Epstein.
00:20:12.760 Well, no, he says that they cut ties.
00:20:15.000 Yeah, but he knows him.
00:20:15.820 He says he knows him.
00:20:16.560 He never said he doesn't know him.
00:20:17.520 They partied all over the 90s.
00:20:18.520 There's a million photos.
00:20:19.400 Yeah, I'm just saying, the claim you just made isn't true.
00:20:21.020 You said he says he doesn't know him.
00:20:22.220 He totally cops to know him.
00:20:22.940 He says he doesn't know him all the time.
00:20:23.940 Just the other day in the Oval Office, he was like, I don't know anything about Jeffrey Epstein.
00:20:26.740 We should move on.
00:20:27.960 Like, it's ridiculous.
00:20:28.960 Like, there is a group of wealthy and powerful people who want to pit everybody in this room
00:20:32.440 against us.
00:20:33.100 They want us to hate each other so that they can get away with abusing little girls and
00:20:37.920 little boys.
00:20:38.560 And I'm sick of this shit, and I want to talk about it with you guys.
00:20:41.220 Okay, so I think that you have just accidentally undercut your whole debate premise right off
00:20:46.480 the top, even without my help.
00:20:47.800 Are you going to defend what happened in the Epstein files?
00:20:49.480 I'm not.
00:20:49.920 I'm going to talk about the thing that you brought up in your debate.
00:20:52.140 So you said, Trump's failure to prosecute Epstein's associates reveals the rotten or federal
00:20:57.080 government.
00:20:58.040 I should add, by the way, Joe Biden's failure, too, because they didn't prosecute this when
00:21:00.940 Biden was in office.
00:21:01.580 Sure.
00:21:01.800 I'm just going to point out, and that actually plays into it as well.
00:21:05.120 I'm going to point out you've undercut your whole debate premise because you have admitted
00:21:08.760 immediately that actually the two top people in the Epstein operation, namely Epstein and
00:21:14.000 Ghislaine Maxwell, have been prosecuted.
00:21:16.800 And weirdly enough, they were arrested and charged by Donald Trump, not by Barack Obama, not by
00:21:22.880 Joe Biden.
00:21:23.400 It was by Trump.
00:21:24.840 And so right off the bat, the premise is false.
00:21:28.180 But then let's go down further, because I think a lot of people want to see more prosecutions
00:21:31.700 in the Epstein case.
00:21:33.140 Or any prosecutions at this point.
00:21:34.720 Sure.
00:21:35.260 Other than the top two.
00:21:36.280 Sure.
00:21:36.480 Yeah, but they moved Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison and promised her a
00:21:39.020 pardon.
00:21:39.460 I mean, she's serving a 20-year sentence, but I agree.
00:21:41.220 She's going to get pardoned at the end of-
00:21:42.100 Listen, show of hands.
00:21:43.440 How many people think Ghislaine Maxwell's going to get pardoned at the end of Trump's
00:21:45.460 term?
00:21:45.980 Like, come on.
00:21:46.800 Nobody.
00:21:47.080 Really?
00:21:47.500 Come on.
00:21:47.860 Nobody thinks so.
00:21:48.740 Of course not.
00:21:48.840 She's not going to be in prison at the moment.
00:21:50.540 You can pull this up when she's done.
00:21:51.780 The question then becomes, though, because, okay, we agree the premise is wrong, but the
00:21:55.680 thrust is fine.
00:21:56.840 We want more prosecutions.
00:21:58.300 Okay, who would you prosecute and on what grounds?
00:22:01.460 Yeah, so I would start here.
00:22:02.520 One, I don't believe that the DOJ has taken this case seriously at all.
00:22:05.480 And just separate out the names for a second.
00:22:07.440 How can they traffic a thousand young girls and a thousand young boys without other people who
00:22:10.700 help them do that?
00:22:11.340 Who help them recruit those girls?
00:22:13.380 Move them around.
00:22:13.800 I'm asking a direct question.
00:22:15.140 Who would you prosecute?
00:22:15.860 I don't have a specific name because-
00:22:16.700 Well, there you go.
00:22:16.860 That's the problem.
00:22:17.980 You say, we have to prosecute people.
00:22:19.280 So you think it was a mom and pop sex trafficking operation in Florida?
00:22:23.640 You're inventing a bunch of things I've never said.
00:22:25.800 No, I'm asking you questions that you can answer, but you're not answering them.
00:22:28.200 You made a claim.
00:22:28.960 You said, Trump needs to prosecute the DOJ.
00:22:31.780 And I said, okay, who do you want-
00:22:33.020 Well, Trump is the DOJ.
00:22:33.480 Who do you want?
00:22:34.100 Well, they're distinct, but yes, they work for the administration.
00:22:36.360 That's how Don Lemon got arrested on Friday.
00:22:37.620 I'm sure it's because they're very separate.
00:22:38.600 You're trying to avoid the question.
00:22:40.760 You said, Trump needs to prosecute more people.
00:22:42.900 I said, great.
00:22:43.400 Who do you want to prosecute?
00:22:44.300 And you said, Herder, I don't know.
00:22:46.280 That's not at all what I said.
00:22:47.300 Who should he prosecute?
00:22:47.860 I said, how is it possible?
00:22:49.040 You're avoiding the question.
00:22:50.360 Okay.
00:22:50.940 I don't have a specific name because guess what?
00:22:52.560 I'm not in the FBI files.
00:22:53.060 Let him prosecute Bill Clinton.
00:22:54.600 Start there.
00:22:55.200 Prosecute Bill Clinton.
00:22:55.920 Okay.
00:22:56.000 On what grounds?
00:22:57.220 I don't like Bill Clinton.
00:22:58.460 Whatever the FBI has in those files is clearly-
00:23:00.420 Have you looked at the files?
00:23:01.380 Have any of you-
00:23:02.200 Yes.
00:23:02.260 I have looked at the files.
00:23:03.520 On what grounds are you going to prosecute Bill Clinton on what he tells Congress when
00:23:10.100 he comes in to testify in public hearing?
00:23:11.960 You're going to prosecute him for something he hasn't done yet.
00:23:14.420 Yeah.
00:23:15.020 Okay.
00:23:15.700 Who would you prosecute?
00:23:17.320 Look, again, I want to find the co-conspirators who traffic these kids.
00:23:20.220 Okay.
00:23:20.520 So if you're asking me for their names, and by the way-
00:23:22.180 I am asking you for their names and you will give them.
00:23:24.040 I don't know the names of most of the perpetrators because the DOJ blocked them out.
00:23:27.580 They had no problem releasing the private information of the victims of Epstein's crimes,
00:23:31.160 but they had a huge problem releasing the names of people who preyed on little girls
00:23:34.360 and little boys.
00:23:34.700 That's not true.
00:23:35.100 That is true.
00:23:35.580 I could give you plenty of names.
00:23:36.720 Adriana Ross, Nadia Marcinko, Sarah Kellen.
00:23:40.980 These are the closest associates around Jeffrey Epstein, who we have firm facts, because I
00:23:45.680 actually have gone through a lot of the files.
00:23:47.220 We know that they were trafficking the girls.
00:23:49.300 Sure.
00:23:49.460 Those are the ones you'd want to prosecute.
00:23:51.260 All women, by the way, weirdly enough.
00:23:52.900 You know why we can't prosecute them?
00:23:54.420 Because they're protected by a 2008 non-prosecution agreement long before Trump entered the scene.
00:23:58.620 Which was by a Republican that Donald Trump put in his cabinet.
00:24:00.740 Who else do you want to prosecute?
00:24:01.620 Made in the labor secretary, I believe.
00:24:02.280 Who else do you want to prosecute?
00:24:03.300 Do you want to prosecute Les Wexner?
00:24:05.740 On what grounds?
00:24:06.300 Sure, maybe.
00:24:06.880 On what grounds?
00:24:07.520 Do you want to prosecute Alan Dershowitz?
00:24:08.760 On what?
00:24:09.120 A claim that was made and then retracted by the claimant?
00:24:11.760 You want to prosecute Bill Clinton?
00:24:13.140 On what?
00:24:13.520 You say he went after a 14, 13-year-old girl.
00:24:16.820 That case was already brought to court multiple times.
00:24:19.880 A California judge dismissed it, and then the claimant dropped it twice.
00:24:23.900 So who are you going to prosecute?
00:24:25.380 You can't give me anyone.
00:24:26.320 The claimant dropped it twice after she was threatened.
00:24:26.740 You're saying Trump's a bad guy for not prosecuting anyone.
00:24:28.920 I say, great, who do you want to prosecute?
00:24:30.420 You said, I have no idea.
00:24:32.680 What I am trying to say is that there is a powerful group of people in this country who
00:24:37.040 think they can get away with anything.
00:24:38.360 And right now, they're getting away with abusing little boys and little girls, and they're
00:24:41.160 getting away with it because multiple presidential administrations, Democrat and Republican,
00:24:45.100 sir, have refused to take these allegations seriously and investigate it.
00:24:48.080 And right now, if you go look at the documents that they dropped on Friday, the names of the
00:24:52.760 perpetrators of the crimes are blacked out.
00:24:55.220 That's not true.
00:24:55.820 I just named a bunch of the associates.
00:24:58.100 I just named...
00:24:58.580 No, I'm talking about the people who are abusing little girls.
00:25:01.100 Yeah, me too.
00:25:02.040 No, you're talking about the people who trafficked.
00:25:03.860 You had their names.
00:25:04.420 I'll give you credit for that.
00:25:05.200 Congratulations.
00:25:05.440 I'll go further than that.
00:25:06.280 People have had claims made against them.
00:25:07.600 Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz.
00:25:08.880 They are blocking out the names, and they've never seriously investigated the claims that
00:25:12.180 have made.
00:25:12.520 And again, it's not just Donald Trump's fault.
00:25:14.380 In the files, you can see the investigations.
00:25:16.800 You just cited it because you were talking about the claims made by the women to the FBI.
00:25:20.560 So you yourself admit they've been investigated.
00:25:21.800 So you don't believe the claims is what you're saying.
00:25:23.120 Well, in some cases, the claims not only were deemed not credible by the FBI across multiple
00:25:28.460 administrations, but in some cases, the claims were retracted by the accusers themselves,
00:25:32.040 as in the case of Alan Dershowitz.
00:25:33.120 But again, we know that this is a real thing because Jelaine Maxwell...
00:25:36.520 Do we?
00:25:36.960 You're not giving me any names.
00:25:38.100 What was Jelaine Maxwell found guilty of?
00:25:39.660 She was of conspiracy to traffic minors.
00:25:41.700 Yes.
00:25:42.260 Yes.
00:25:42.460 She's also a registered sex offender.
00:25:43.680 So why is she in a minimum security prison after Todd Blanchard put her there?
00:25:45.580 Isn't that part of the problem that we don't know?
00:25:48.280 Yeah.
00:25:48.420 We do not have a lot of these redacted names, and so we don't know.
00:25:51.380 And that's part of the big problem here.
00:25:53.760 Maybe.
00:25:54.260 We have a lot of the names without redactions, and you guys haven't given me an argument
00:25:57.460 as to why we would go after them, and you haven't named anyone else to go after.
00:26:00.540 It isn't about me wanting to go after them.
00:26:02.300 It's that the DOJ has never taken this seriously.
00:26:04.260 Okay.
00:26:04.700 Question?
00:26:05.560 Michael, I tend to agree with Mike, too, this time that the whole situation is foobar.
00:26:12.100 Did you say foobar?
00:26:13.420 Yes.
00:26:13.740 I love that word.
00:26:14.480 I agree with that.
00:26:15.300 My favorite word.
00:26:15.900 Before I get into the question for you, well, actually, both questions are for Michael.
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00:26:32.560 I have, like, five good answers for you, and I will tell you after this show.
00:26:37.520 Fantastic.
00:26:38.000 Let me know after the show.
00:26:38.280 But I don't want to blow up my spots on air.
00:26:39.920 Absolutely.
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00:26:49.200 Now, with regard to the Epstein issue...
00:26:51.980 Yes, sir.
00:26:52.300 And your position, Michael Knowles, that we know all we're going to know, I'd like to
00:27:03.360 know how you suggest we react when, as Mike Tu said, the situation is so foobar, not accomplishing
00:27:15.300 anything other than distractions.
00:27:17.860 What do we do with this situation?
00:27:19.860 What do you recommend or prescribe?
00:27:22.120 Yes.
00:27:22.600 Okay.
00:27:22.860 And to articulate my view, which you alluded to, my point, which I've said from the beginning,
00:27:26.840 I've been vindicated every step of the way, is...
00:27:30.260 Just like Donald Trump, total vindication.
00:27:31.860 I have been totally vindicated on this.
00:27:33.600 There are two possibilities with Epstein.
00:27:36.020 Either Epstein is what the mainstream narrative tells us, just like a kind of eccentric rich
00:27:40.620 guy who was a sex freak and had no connections to intelligence or no associates or just forget
00:27:46.300 about it, move along, move along.
00:27:47.460 Either that's true or Epstein was something else.
00:27:50.940 He was a little bit more than that.
00:27:52.720 In either case, we are not going to get any more information.
00:27:56.760 If it were the first mainstream narrative, which I don't believe, then we obviously already
00:28:00.460 know everything we're going to know.
00:28:01.380 If it's the second narrative, which is that this guy was mobbed up with everybody, with
00:28:06.680 intelligence services all over the place.
00:28:09.200 People cite the CIA, the United States, or Israel, or Russia has come out in this tranche
00:28:14.720 of documents, or the Arabs, or MI6, or the list goes on and on and on.
00:28:18.800 It seems like this guy was mobbed up with everybody.
00:28:21.560 And so we're probably not going to get much more information on it.
00:28:25.020 In terms of the radical transparency, we have millions and millions of documents that were
00:28:30.060 released by Donald Trump.
00:28:31.200 When you look at any of the potential prosecutions, no one has been able to bring one because there
00:28:37.480 is not sufficient evidence.
00:28:39.220 And in the cases where there are, and those four people that I mentioned, they're already
00:28:42.500 protected by a non-prosecution agreement.
00:28:44.360 So I'm not telling you this to say it's like a great thing and how wonderful it is that all
00:28:47.760 but two people got off the hook in the Epstein scandal.
00:28:50.400 But I'm mentioning that because that's reality.
00:28:52.820 And sometimes people don't want to hear the truth, but it's a fact.
00:28:55.320 And when people go on and tell you that Trump didn't prosecute Epstein's associates, one,
00:28:58.460 that's a lie.
00:28:59.080 And when they tell you that this is Trump's fault or something like that, it's totally
00:29:02.280 ridiculous.
00:29:03.020 If there were something for the White House to do, I promise you they would do it.
00:29:06.120 This is politically radioactive for them.
00:29:08.040 The problem is there is nothing to be done.
00:29:09.960 And the idea that there would be after well over a decade of this, what is it, 15 years of
00:29:14.320 this, some smoking gun document that has survived all of the intelligence agencies up
00:29:19.680 until now that's finally going to blow the lid on it?
00:29:22.060 If you believe that, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
00:29:25.040 So I'd like to rebut that, if that's all right.
00:29:27.120 Because let's talk about how we got here.
00:29:29.640 Like you say, Donald Trump released these files as if there hasn't been like a year of
00:29:32.540 a cover-up in place by Pam Bondi and the DOJ at, I believe, Donald Trump's orders.
00:29:36.120 What cover-up?
00:29:36.660 Trump's the one who arrested Epstein and Maxwell.
00:29:38.120 Let's remember, that was in the first term.
00:29:40.000 We're talking about this.
00:29:40.440 That's what I'm saying.
00:29:40.800 They violated the law with how long it took for them to release the last Trump's files.
00:29:43.980 So Michael's been consistent on his show about his position.
00:29:49.500 But my question for you, Michael, a little deeper was, how do either we as normies, as
00:29:58.980 a public, respond to the situation at this point?
00:30:02.580 Or how should the administration change anything, handle anything differently?
00:30:07.360 Because the whole thing is just a botched job from end to end.
00:30:11.000 I agree with you, and I want to talk about why it's a botched job, because nobody should
00:30:14.520 forget that right after the 4th of July on a Sunday night, the DOJ announced they were
00:30:18.500 done with the Epstein investigation.
00:30:20.140 After, throughout the entire Trump campaign, they were promised to release every document
00:30:23.160 to prosecute every single person that they could.
00:30:24.760 They said there was nothing, that there was no files.
00:30:27.620 And it took-
00:30:28.160 No, they said no client list.
00:30:28.820 No, they said there was nothing.
00:30:30.200 There's no list.
00:30:30.940 There's no list.
00:30:31.280 They never said there was no files.
00:30:31.300 They're obviously fine.
00:30:31.820 We're done.
00:30:32.040 We've reviewed everything.
00:30:32.940 We've got nothing for you.
00:30:34.080 And after, by the way, embarrassing the shit out of libs of TikTok and other influencers by making
00:30:37.880 them wave binders, and I thought that was super damn embarrassing.
00:30:40.220 I wasn't at that meeting.
00:30:41.360 Can we agree that that was an embarrassing start?
00:30:42.700 Yeah, can we agree that was embarrassing?
00:30:44.000 I'm glad I didn't get a binder.
00:30:45.280 Yeah, I think-
00:30:46.500 That's good enough.
00:30:47.100 You have a better sense than libs of TikTok.
00:30:48.720 But look, it took-
00:30:49.220 She didn't know what she was getting into.
00:30:50.400 It took Democrats and Republicans coming together with a discharge petition to get that
00:30:54.320 bill to move forward and to create the political conditions for Donald Trump to be so scared
00:30:57.840 of the public's reaction that he was forced to sign it.
00:31:00.580 And I want to remind people that according to Thomas Mass, he was a Republican, conservative
00:31:04.280 member of Congress.
00:31:05.400 He was threatened by the FBI to have his staff brought up on fraud charges if they didn't stop pushing
00:31:10.100 the Epstein files.
00:31:10.900 So this administration is pushing hard to make sure you never see it.
00:31:13.520 And my reaction to the gentleman, he's no longer there, who asked his question is, your
00:31:16.800 reaction should be anger.
00:31:18.000 You should be pissed off that the federal government is lying to you like this.
00:31:21.400 That's it.
00:31:21.740 And what should they do about it?
00:31:24.280 Well, you can't vote him out.
00:31:25.240 No answer.
00:31:25.720 All right.
00:31:26.240 The same thing Trump did, I guess.
00:31:27.680 Actually, Trump's done a lot more because he released the file.
00:31:29.080 Trump hasn't done anything.
00:31:30.320 Come on.
00:31:30.620 Other than arrest Epstein, arrest Maxwell, unlike any Democrats, and then release three
00:31:36.100 and a half million files.
00:31:36.860 Other than that, he's done nothing.
00:31:37.860 I know you've got to protect your daddy, but this is embarrassing.
00:31:39.880 No, I have to state facts truthfully in circumstance.
00:31:43.120 Next question.
00:31:44.060 Hi, Michael.
00:31:44.660 This question is for you.
00:31:46.480 So Trump has said that he thinks it's time to move on from the Epstein files.
00:31:51.740 Do you agree with him?
00:31:53.260 And what should we do about it?
00:31:55.460 Well, it's time to move on from the Epstein files in the sense that he released the files.
00:32:01.060 I mean, the remaining files, there are like many legal reasons why they can't be released,
00:32:05.520 some of which is that a lot of it's child ****.
00:32:07.920 But he's released three and a half million of them.
00:32:09.960 We know a lot, you know, and there are redactions for all sorts of reasons.
00:32:12.580 But I agree it's time to move on from the files because the files part has been accomplished.
00:32:16.620 What I want to know with Epstein is a consistent question, which is,
00:32:21.040 I don't need to know all the lurid details.
00:32:22.820 I would like for there to be justice for the victims if there can be.
00:32:26.460 I want to separate the credible claims from the false claims, some of which have been proven.
00:32:30.060 But what I want to know is who was Epstein working for and for what purpose?
00:32:34.980 And even that is not a simple answer.
00:32:36.860 Some people want to say he was, you know, like a super spy for Mossad or for the CIA
00:32:41.100 or for now the story is the Polish prime minister saying he was a super spy for Russia
00:32:46.380 and for this group and that group.
00:32:47.780 And the reality is there's evidence to back up like all of that.
00:32:50.860 And it's very unclear what his actual mission was.
00:32:54.520 Furthermore, the claim that he was a spy makes people think that he was James Bond,
00:32:58.420 you know, training at Langley or something, you know, on a mission.
00:33:01.840 But I don't think that's really what he did.
00:33:03.460 I think he was a dodgy influence peddler who collected connections
00:33:07.100 and greased the wheels of government and business and politics around the world.
00:33:11.560 And so I want to know what that is.
00:33:13.260 I want to know the machinery of the corruption more than I want to know the lurid details.
00:33:17.480 That needs to be pursued, that we need to continue to follow.
00:33:22.080 However, I'm open to suggestions on how to do it because he obviously ran a very sophisticated operation
00:33:26.700 and no one's been able to come up with answers yet.
00:33:29.100 Can I jump in here with two points?
00:33:30.320 The first is they have not released all of the Epstein files.
00:33:32.940 That is something they continue to lie about.
00:33:34.580 And what should they release all the child?
00:33:35.780 I what if it's not necessarily to the public, not to the public, but like, look, I don't buy their claim
00:33:43.520 that there's just a bunch of child there.
00:33:44.840 It feels like you don't think there's child.
00:33:46.060 I'm sure that there is.
00:33:47.280 But I think the idea that the remaining files is child is all child.
00:33:50.040 It's all given the number of times that they've lied.
00:33:52.260 We should take nothing that this administration says at face value.
00:33:54.520 The second thing is on that first point, they still haven't released the names of everyone
00:33:59.540 who's been accused of violence against little boys and little girls in the Epstein files.
00:34:03.200 They are concealing those names.
00:34:04.660 And the question is why now, number two, again, I want you to talk.
00:34:08.500 Can you let me finish?
00:34:09.080 Thank you.
00:34:09.800 And you can tell me why I'm wrong in a second.
00:34:11.320 But like the second point I want to make is you've brought up multiple times.
00:34:14.340 Like I see a Mossad agent.
00:34:15.520 What's this?
00:34:15.860 You super spy.
00:34:16.480 Like, what is he?
00:34:17.240 And that's a very clever thing that MAGA oriented influencers are doing right now
00:34:21.280 because they want you focused on that so that you can be like, oh, is he working for Putin?
00:34:25.180 Oh, was he working for Benjamin Netanyahu?
00:34:26.700 Instead of going, how is it possible that nobody is being prosecuted for these crimes?
00:34:30.620 How is it possible that they're concealing these names and this information?
00:34:33.360 I just explained that to you.
00:34:34.140 Don't look over here.
00:34:35.660 Like, come on.
00:34:36.060 I just explained it to you because you can't name the crimes or the people to prosecute.
00:34:39.040 I can't because I don't have all the information.
00:34:40.660 There you go.
00:34:41.300 Okay.
00:34:41.560 They're concealing the names.
00:34:42.660 They're concealing the names.
00:34:43.580 How am I supposed to tell you the names of the things that are concealed?
00:34:45.580 Is it possible that the names that are concealed are, it could be concealed because there's
00:34:50.180 an act of investigation against those names and that creating or leaking those names out
00:34:55.620 to the public could create a public just outcry against those people that would jeopardize
00:35:01.900 the trial?
00:35:03.420 Yes, that is true.
00:35:04.600 I would be very surprised.
00:35:05.460 Another reason that it would be irresponsible to release just any name willy-nilly that's
00:35:09.980 had an accusation is because it would undermine the bedrock principle of our system of justice,
00:35:14.360 which is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
00:35:16.500 We already know for a fact-
00:35:17.560 Except for Alex Freddie, though.
00:35:17.940 He deserved to die.
00:35:18.980 Well, Alex Freddie-
00:35:19.380 That's what you said earlier.
00:35:20.420 Again, that's a little-
00:35:21.540 You said it was a good shoot.
00:35:22.400 Yeah, it was a good shoot.
00:35:23.520 Yes, people who are actively obstructing law enforcement with guns and double mags are
00:35:27.840 putting themselves in danger and unlike things are not alike.
00:35:30.580 I agree with that.
00:35:31.080 Oh, come on.
00:35:31.360 But to your point on why they might conceal some of the names, yeah, you can't just air
00:35:37.120 totally unfounded accusations, especially accusations that have been investigated and
00:35:41.960 been found, including by judges in some cases, to not be credible.
00:35:45.680 That would be reckless and would undermine the bedrock principle of American justice.
00:35:48.800 Okay, any other questions?
00:35:50.560 Over there, do we have any questions?
00:35:51.720 Hello?
00:35:51.800 Yes.
00:35:52.400 I have a question for the man in green.
00:35:55.300 It's a very simple question.
00:35:57.200 I want to know why you expect to be taken seriously in a political debate when you showed
00:36:01.480 up to the debate in a hoodie.
00:36:03.560 Wow.
00:36:04.680 Wow.
00:36:06.040 You want to talk about shots fired?
00:36:08.600 Justifiable shots fired.
00:36:10.140 Wow, that's a lot.
00:36:11.220 I'm at a bar.
00:36:12.800 Like, it's called bar fight.
00:36:17.240 What does that have to do with your hoodie?
00:36:18.440 By the way, they asked me a week ago what beer I wanted.
00:36:21.280 I said Guinness, and then suddenly at the last minute, the Guinness tap broke.
00:36:24.080 I know.
00:36:24.520 I'd say it is.
00:36:25.080 It's all right.
00:36:25.620 It's all right.
00:36:26.520 It's all right.
00:36:26.560 It was rigged.
00:36:28.920 It was a rigged beer raid.
00:36:31.360 Like, look, I don't, like, the President of the United States wears a long red tie and
00:36:36.100 wears a suit two sizes too big.
00:36:37.540 Like, who cares what people wear?
00:36:38.580 Like, focus on the content.
00:36:39.560 Like, Michael's got a nice suit on.
00:36:41.160 Michael's got, I don't know, a bomber jacket on with a nice gold watch.
00:36:43.640 Like, whatever.
00:36:44.680 You either like me or you don't.
00:36:45.660 I don't give a s***.
00:36:46.160 He doesn't care.
00:36:47.720 Yeah.
00:36:47.940 He's had a few non-Guinness beers in him.
00:36:49.900 He doesn't care.
00:36:50.720 Hey, bartender, three shots of tequila, one for each of us.
00:36:53.720 Let's go.
00:36:54.100 Hold on.
00:36:54.140 I got to do another show later.
00:36:55.180 Hold on.
00:36:55.660 I got to do.
00:36:56.940 All right.
00:36:57.480 Who do we think won the VIP?
00:36:59.020 One.
00:36:59.580 Who do we think won?
00:37:00.620 One.
00:37:01.020 It was one?
00:37:01.540 It was one.
00:37:01.860 That's consensus.
00:37:02.740 Number one won the VIP.
00:37:04.060 You're my man.
00:37:04.440 You are getting Redneck Riviera whiskey.
00:37:06.260 And now, folks, it is time for the most important part of the night.
00:37:11.080 This is round three.
00:37:12.700 Round three is my topic, and my claim is that Mamdani's warmth of collectivism just killed
00:37:27.380 16 bums in New York.
00:37:29.780 Oh, hey.
00:37:31.100 You probably want to watch us debate how Mamdani just froze 16 New Yorkers to death, don't you?
00:37:38.300 That's probably what you thought you were going to get.
00:37:39.660 But you're not unless you subscribe to Daily Wire Plus.
00:37:43.540 Sorry.
00:37:44.500 Sorry, buddy.
00:37:45.240 It's expensive to pay for all my drinks at Bar Fight.
00:37:48.140 So I need to separate you from your money so that we can continue to put on these great
00:37:53.980 debates.
00:37:54.240 It was a great debate.
00:37:55.900 You want to see.
00:37:56.880 I know you want to see what happened.
00:37:58.260 It's me and the mics.
00:37:59.560 Just three mics up there debating Mamdani.
00:38:02.920 Peace be upon him.
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00:38:13.380 Give me your money, please.
00:38:16.300 Thank you.
00:38:16.680 I appreciate that.
00:38:17.420 And then you get to see the rest of the show.
00:38:19.620 Thank you for your attention to this matter.
00:38:24.040 Do we have any more questions?
00:38:25.300 No.
00:38:25.580 We have to find out.
00:38:26.820 Who's the VIP from that round?
00:38:28.760 Two.
00:38:29.560 It was two.
00:38:30.120 It was two.
00:38:30.880 Two is our lady friend, right?
00:38:33.220 Yeah.
00:38:33.720 Okay.
00:38:34.020 Great.
00:38:34.820 I love that.
00:38:37.500 I love that.
00:38:38.440 Okay.
00:38:38.780 Please enjoy some Redneck Riviera while we get to the most important part.
00:38:44.900 In my humble opinion, nobody wins a bar fight.
00:38:48.060 There are only losers.
00:38:49.640 So the question is, who lost the hardest tonight?
00:38:53.280 Who is buying the next round?
00:38:55.500 Who is refilling the Guinness keg?
00:38:57.660 Who lost?
00:38:59.060 Was it that Mike?
00:39:04.480 He's going.
00:39:05.640 Oh, you clap for that.
00:39:06.820 Was it that Mike?
00:39:07.740 I'm going to vote for myself?
00:39:09.040 Oh, that was more touching.
00:39:10.240 Wow.
00:39:10.600 Wow.
00:39:10.880 Was it this Mike?
00:39:13.080 Hey, wait, hey, wait.
00:39:14.640 Hold on.
00:39:15.100 Get out of here.
00:39:15.760 No.
00:39:16.000 Boy, your staff turned on me hard.
00:39:17.520 Was that me?
00:39:17.960 That might be me that lost.
00:39:19.060 Did I?
00:39:19.640 How did I win every round but lose the game?
00:39:21.400 That's awful.
00:39:22.280 Did I?
00:39:23.320 Hold it.
00:39:23.720 Was it?
00:39:24.280 The same way Trump lost in 2020, Michael.
00:39:26.600 This is what it's always in that recount.
00:39:28.800 Was it that Mike?
00:39:30.980 Oh, shit.
00:39:32.000 Okay.
00:39:32.260 I don't think it was you.
00:39:33.080 You had the quietest one.
00:39:34.280 So was it this Mike?
00:39:36.320 Yeah.
00:39:36.600 This is shocking.
00:39:38.980 If we did it again, it might be you.
00:39:40.800 Okay.
00:39:40.980 It might be.
00:39:41.380 I'll take it.
00:39:41.780 You can try it.
00:39:42.640 Mike won and Mike and Mike.
00:39:45.280 No.
00:39:45.620 Mike and Mike won and Mike lost.
00:39:47.740 Yes.
00:39:48.260 Anyway.
00:39:49.500 See you next time.
00:39:51.160 See you next time.
00:39:53.440 Cheers.
00:39:55.020 Cheers.
00:39:55.500 Cheers.
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