2 Liberals vs. Michael Knowles: BAR FIGHT | Mike Nellis & Michael DeFeo
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On this episode of Bar Fight, we discuss the death of Alex Preddy, a man who was exercising his Second Amendment rights when he was gunned down by a group of heavily armed, heavily armed federal agents in the streets of Minneapolis.
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Friday, February 13th to Wednesday, February 18th.
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So whatever you think is going to happen in the future,
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You should be pissed off that the federal government is lying to you like this.
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I want to know why you expect to be taken seriously in a political debate
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Senior advisor to Kamala Harris' presidential campaign, Mike Nellis.
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We should take nothing that this administration says at face value.
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who spends most of his time complaining about the Democrat Party,
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which is something that he and I actually have in common.
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We will be debating three of the most controversial topics of our day.
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And then our friends in the crowd can come up to the microphones
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My topic is Alex Preddy's death proves Trump hates the Second Amendment.
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raise your hand if you ever heard of the siege of Waco, Texas.
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there was a massive increase in sponsorship and membership of militias
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and paramilitary groups here in the United States.
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It skyrocketed after 1993 through 2000 and then skyrocketed again in 2009 through 2012.
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So during that time, people began to be concerned about American military operations here on our
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own soil in something called Jade Helm 15, where Obama was using special forces to do training
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Governor Abbott said that he was mobilizing the National Guard to defend the Second Amendment
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They called it the Texas takeover, as if we need to take over Texas.
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And Alex Jones made it as mainstream as humanly possible because the United States was under siege
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from its military and its government who was going to take away its Second Amendment rights.
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Wayne LaPierre made jackbooted thugs, a popular term with the NRA, for years about massed agents
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of the state coming to take away your Second Amendment rights.
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Alex Preddy was exercising his Second Amendment right in Minneapolis with a registered firearm,
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He never unholstered the weapon, and he was still killed by massed agents of the state.
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My question is, is this not the exact nightmare that Alex Jones pushed, that the NRA pushed
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Now, Alex Jones has said that his death was not a horrible accident that deserves investigation.
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Donald Trump said that you should not and cannot have guns in protests.
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Even the D.C. attorney said you cannot have firearms in Washington, D.C., legal or illegal.
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So my question is, how is it possible that Donald Trump is the most pro-Second Amendment
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president in history when the exact right-wing fever dream that we were fed for 25 years has
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And he is the one who has the words coming out of his mouth saying you cannot legally carry
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If that came out of Barack Obama's mouth, I mean, you all got very mad with the tan suit.
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Imagine how you would react to those kinds of words.
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So you claim that Alex Petty's killing would prove that Donald Trump hates the Second Amendment.
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Now, it's worth pointing out that Trump said that he objects to the killing of Alex Petty.
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It's always kind of sad, but, you know, I'm not losing sleep over it.
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I'm sorry, is this the same Donald Trump who said that he's an assassin?
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Some members of his administration called him an assassin.
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So right off the bat, it would be hard to arrive at the conclusion from that that Trump
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hates the Second Amendment because he didn't justify the killing of Alex Petty, though I would
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Furthermore, though, on the point of the Second Amendment, specifically with Trump, not Alex Jones,
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I think we would all have to agree to a handful of facts.
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One, Donald Trump, in his second term, rescinded some of the ATF regulations that Joe Biden
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Trump took us out of the gun-grabbing UN arms trade treaty, very pro-Second Amendment.
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President Trump has, broadly speaking, supported our traditional constitutional rights.
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But broadly speaking, he's been consistent for 10 years on the Second Amendment.
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On a few things, he's backed off it, like he banned bump stock.
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Some of the Second Amendment guys don't love that, but most of the liberals were totally
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We've always had some limits on the Second Amendment.
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The question here, since you bring up Alex Petty, is was the killing of Alex Petty justified,
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The question is whether or not his killing and the reaction to it from Donald Trump, she
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did say he was sad about it, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't, that doesn't mean that
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he supports the Second Amendment around federal officers, because he has said he does not
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want people having guns around federal officers.
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It's a very different question than, am I upset that a man was killed?
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I think it's entirely reasonable to be empathetic to someone being killed like that.
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But do you support the Second Amendment or do you not in all circumstances when you call
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yourself the most pro-Second Amendment president in history?
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Yeah, but I guess in some of the examples I've just cited, President Trump overwhelmingly
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has a pro-Second Amendment policy agenda, albeit with some caveats like the bump stocks
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And no guns around federal officers at protests.
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Well, that was a point he made, which is a prudential point.
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And I think this is the key here, because if we say that Alex Petty was carrying a weapon
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and therefore an officer shooting him is a violation of his Second Amendment rights,
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I think that fundamentally misunderstands what's going on.
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His parents told CBS News that he never actually used it.
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Why did he bring a gun that was fully loaded with two magazines to obstruct law enforcement?
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I want to jump in here for a second, because let's define the facts of the video and the
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Standing on the sidewalk, goes to help a woman who got pushed down by an ICE agent, doesn't
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brandish the weapon, doesn't touch it, doesn't use it in any meaningful way.
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There's going to be an investigation, but it's unclear whether or not he should have an
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Yeah, I'm sure this administration is going to lead with quite the investigation, Jesus.
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Sorry, the cheers came out a little bit for me.
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Look, he was dragged to the ground, beaten by like eight ICE agents, shot in the back
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They had already taken his gun at the time that they shot him.
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Just let me finish my point, because there's no reason for him to be dead right now.
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And then the reaction from the right is that, oh, he died because he brought a gun to a
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As a card-carrying member of the right, the question is, was the officer justified in
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And so then the question there would become, what would be the cause of that?
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The cause would be, according to federal law, the imminent threat of bodily harm to the
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What would a reasonable officer have perceived that when a guy shows up to obstruct law
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He was already hit, and he was already beaten to the ground.
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You're only beginning from when he's on the ground.
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Eleven days earlier, he'd assaulted a law enforcement officer.
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Eleven days earlier is irrelevant to what happened.
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The only thing that matters is what happened when they murdered him.
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You can try to filibuster, but we have to establish the facts.
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Guys, if we're going to establish the facts, eleven days-
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Eleven days prior, I'll just finish this establishment, then we can talk about it in the comments.
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Eleven days prior, he had assaulted a law enforcement vehicle while obstructing ICE.
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He then showed up again to obstruct law enforcement.
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He had a loaded gun with two full magazines, and a reasonable officer-
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A reasonable officer, while he is committing a crime, certainly could believe that he was
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My point that Donald Trump is anti-Second Amendment because of this event, Americans should not
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face death at the hands of the state for just carrying a registered firearm.
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What about carrying a registered firearm and obstructing law enforcement?
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I don't think it's reasonable to shoot that man.
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Is there any evidence that Alex Preddy would assault law enforcement?
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On the right, people believe that Kyle Rittenhouse, like, he had a right to carry the gun to that
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But I think we all can agree that that was unwise because of what happened.
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I think under the law, he did have the right to carry that gun.
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What he did with it was what I take objection to.
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He protected himself from a pedophile leftist terrorist.
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I take objection to him shooting people with the gun that he did legally have the right
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First of all, Kyle Rittenhouse had his gun out and brandished.
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Alex Preddy did not have his gun out and brandished.
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I'm telling you, he did not brandish his weapon.
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The first thing that a federal law enforcement-
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Listen, my father was a 34-year veteran of the FBI, three-time Trump voter, huge Republican.
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I tell you, I took after my mother, but she's more conservative than my father.
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I've never heard my father say any law enforcement shooting was bad until this one.
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At the time that six ICE agents had beaten Alex Peretti, got him to the ground, the first
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thing they're going to do is check for a firearm.
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And one of them took it, and then another one shot him three times in the back.
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I'm sure your father is a very respectable guy with a nice, long history serving America,
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He voted for him in all three elections that Trump won.
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However, I think you will find that even the subjective judgment of one law enforcement
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officer or another is not going to overcome the law.
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And even liberal lawyers seem to agree that the predicate here for using force was totally
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We did a good job getting to whether or not he deserved to die when the question was,
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is Trump still supporting the Second Amendment by what he said?
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Because, again, I'm certainly happy to defend the shooting of Alex Peretti.
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Trump called him a domestic terrorist over the weekend.
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No, no, Donald Trump himself on Truth Social posted that he was a domestic terrorist like
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I mean, it was in lowercase, so I'm not sure he wrote it.
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I'm glad to hear that Trump is defending the shooting of Alex Peretti even more than he
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Well, I would like to go back to the original claim of Michael III.
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I'd like to go back to your premise, which is you're saying that his description of not
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or request not to bring firearms around federal agents, can you describe why his request for
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people not to do that because it's dangerous is him being anti-Second Amendment?
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He didn't request, he said you can't do it, and that is, that decries to me a second,
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a bias against the Second Amendment because he doesn't want people who he doesn't like
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to be around law enforcement with weapons, and that is a concerning slippery slope because
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as soon as you start saying only certain groups cannot practice the Second Amendment
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But it wouldn't be groups, it would be certain situations, certain circumstances for any group.
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It would be protesters, anti-ICE protesters, likely anti-Trump protesters.
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But obstructing law enforcement is not a protest.
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Can you show me in the video where he obstructed justice in that incident where he was killed?
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Don't talk about him kicking a car because it's irrelevant to the story.
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It's a good example for premeditated murder if they knew who he was prior to killing him.
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But I want to just add something a little bit broader to Michael's point here, which
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is that I believe that Donald Trump's support for the Constitution is completely situational.
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He wants the Second Amendment for him and his people.
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He wants the First Amendment for him and his people.
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Doesn't want it for anybody who stands up to him.
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Listen, they talk about being a First Amendment absolutist, but he's got no problem using the power of the FCC
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He was off the air for a few days, but it came to the point where guys like Ted Cruz
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had to come out and say what Donald Trump did was wrong.
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He's a good friend of mine, but we had a disagreement on that.
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I mean, then your support for the Constitution is situational too.
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I believe in the Second Amendment, but not for Alex-
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I'm a First Amendment absolutist, but no, network television is licensed through the
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government, so the government has a regulatory authority.
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Oh, it's licensed, so that makes it okay for them to shut down a comedian because they
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I just also want to note that earlier Michael was talking about how we have to have gun
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regulations, but if I were to suggest we do something about school shootings, be
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What would I say in this hypothetical situation you've invented for yourself?
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Oh, hypothetical situation like school shootings that happen every single day in America?
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No, the hypothetical is the conversation that we had in your head
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No, because earlier you were talking about how there has to be limits on guns.
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Well, if I was to come out and say, hey, we got to do something about school shootings,
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We should have more armed guards in schools, and we should arrest more criminals.
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Can we also make it harder for people to get a firearm who are going to use it?
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There have been a lot of people who suffer from mental illnesses, especially the transgender
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delusion, who have shot up schools and churches, and they should be put into psychiatric
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And by the way, the NRA had to come out and rebuke conservatives like Michael here for
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saying that transgender individuals shouldn't be able to own firearms.
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No, I just don't think that the NRA is the infallible authority on Constitution.
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All right, my claim here is Trump's failure to prosecute Epstein's associates reveals the
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So look, there is a cabal of very rich and powerful individuals, and it extends beyond
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party politics and partisanship or anything like that.
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But these guys, of these rich and powerful men, think they can do anything they want
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with impunity, and it includes potentially Bill Clinton, most likely, based on the files.
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It includes Donald Trump, who's been credibly on the record from people who have signed,
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like, done interviews with the FBI on the record under threat of perjury that Donald
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And look, there's a ton of Democrats, a ton of Republicans in there, and at the end of
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And even just for a second, set aside the powerful celebrities that we've seen, the
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How is it possible that a thousand young girls and a thousand young boys have been trafficked,
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It's Jelaine Maxwell, and she runs herself a minimum security prison.
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And Epstein, who, you know, killed himself, which I don't buy at all.
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Trump is mentioned more times in the Epstein files than Harry Potter is in the entire Harry
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And so, Donald Trump wants to look at the American people and say, I don't know Jeffrey
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I had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein, except he met his wife at an Epstein party.
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Yeah, I'm just saying, the claim you just made isn't true.
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Just the other day in the Oval Office, he was like, I don't know anything about Jeffrey Epstein.
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Like, there is a group of wealthy and powerful people who want to pit everybody in this room
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They want us to hate each other so that they can get away with abusing little girls and
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And I'm sick of this shit, and I want to talk about it with you guys.
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Okay, so I think that you have just accidentally undercut your whole debate premise right off
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Are you going to defend what happened in the Epstein files?
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I'm going to talk about the thing that you brought up in your debate.
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So you said, Trump's failure to prosecute Epstein's associates reveals the rotten or federal
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I should add, by the way, Joe Biden's failure, too, because they didn't prosecute this when
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I'm just going to point out, and that actually plays into it as well.
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I'm going to point out you've undercut your whole debate premise because you have admitted
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immediately that actually the two top people in the Epstein operation, namely Epstein and
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And weirdly enough, they were arrested and charged by Donald Trump, not by Barack Obama, not by
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And so right off the bat, the premise is false.
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But then let's go down further, because I think a lot of people want to see more prosecutions
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Yeah, but they moved Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison and promised her a
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I mean, she's serving a 20-year sentence, but I agree.
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She's going to get pardoned at the end of-
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How many people think Ghislaine Maxwell's going to get pardoned at the end of Trump's
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The question then becomes, though, because, okay, we agree the premise is wrong, but the
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Okay, who would you prosecute and on what grounds?
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One, I don't believe that the DOJ has taken this case seriously at all.
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How can they traffic a thousand young girls and a thousand young boys without other people who
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So you think it was a mom and pop sex trafficking operation in Florida?
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You're inventing a bunch of things I've never said.
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No, I'm asking you questions that you can answer, but you're not answering them.
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Well, they're distinct, but yes, they work for the administration.
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You said, Trump needs to prosecute more people.
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I don't have a specific name because guess what?
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Whatever the FBI has in those files is clearly-
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On what grounds are you going to prosecute Bill Clinton on what he tells Congress when
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You're going to prosecute him for something he hasn't done yet.
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Look, again, I want to find the co-conspirators who traffic these kids.
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So if you're asking me for their names, and by the way-
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I am asking you for their names and you will give them.
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I don't know the names of most of the perpetrators because the DOJ blocked them out.
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They had no problem releasing the private information of the victims of Epstein's crimes,
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but they had a huge problem releasing the names of people who preyed on little girls
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These are the closest associates around Jeffrey Epstein, who we have firm facts, because I
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Because they're protected by a 2008 non-prosecution agreement long before Trump entered the scene.
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Which was by a Republican that Donald Trump put in his cabinet.
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A claim that was made and then retracted by the claimant?
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That case was already brought to court multiple times.
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A California judge dismissed it, and then the claimant dropped it twice.
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The claimant dropped it twice after she was threatened.
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You're saying Trump's a bad guy for not prosecuting anyone.
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What I am trying to say is that there is a powerful group of people in this country who
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And right now, they're getting away with abusing little boys and little girls, and they're
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getting away with it because multiple presidential administrations, Democrat and Republican,
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sir, have refused to take these allegations seriously and investigate it.
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And right now, if you go look at the documents that they dropped on Friday, the names of the
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No, I'm talking about the people who are abusing little girls.
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No, you're talking about the people who trafficked.
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They are blocking out the names, and they've never seriously investigated the claims that
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You just cited it because you were talking about the claims made by the women to the FBI.
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So you yourself admit they've been investigated.
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So you don't believe the claims is what you're saying.
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Well, in some cases, the claims not only were deemed not credible by the FBI across multiple
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administrations, but in some cases, the claims were retracted by the accusers themselves,
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But again, we know that this is a real thing because Jelaine Maxwell...
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So why is she in a minimum security prison after Todd Blanchard put her there?
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Isn't that part of the problem that we don't know?
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We do not have a lot of these redacted names, and so we don't know.
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We have a lot of the names without redactions, and you guys haven't given me an argument
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as to why we would go after them, and you haven't named anyone else to go after.
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It's that the DOJ has never taken this seriously.
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Michael, I tend to agree with Mike, too, this time that the whole situation is foobar.
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Before I get into the question for you, well, actually, both questions are for Michael.
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I just want to start with, Michael, where's a good place locally here to go get a Mayflower
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He said he wants a little bit of ad money, I think, yeah.
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And your position, Michael Knowles, that we know all we're going to know, I'd like to
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know how you suggest we react when, as Mike Tu said, the situation is so foobar, not accomplishing
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And to articulate my view, which you alluded to, my point, which I've said from the beginning,
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I've been vindicated every step of the way, is...
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Either Epstein is what the mainstream narrative tells us, just like a kind of eccentric rich
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guy who was a sex freak and had no connections to intelligence or no associates or just forget
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Either that's true or Epstein was something else.
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In either case, we are not going to get any more information.
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If it were the first mainstream narrative, which I don't believe, then we obviously already
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If it's the second narrative, which is that this guy was mobbed up with everybody, with
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People cite the CIA, the United States, or Israel, or Russia has come out in this tranche
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of documents, or the Arabs, or MI6, or the list goes on and on and on.
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It seems like this guy was mobbed up with everybody.
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And so we're probably not going to get much more information on it.
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In terms of the radical transparency, we have millions and millions of documents that were
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When you look at any of the potential prosecutions, no one has been able to bring one because there
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And in the cases where there are, and those four people that I mentioned, they're already
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So I'm not telling you this to say it's like a great thing and how wonderful it is that all
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but two people got off the hook in the Epstein scandal.
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But I'm mentioning that because that's reality.
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And sometimes people don't want to hear the truth, but it's a fact.
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And when people go on and tell you that Trump didn't prosecute Epstein's associates, one,
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And when they tell you that this is Trump's fault or something like that, it's totally
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If there were something for the White House to do, I promise you they would do it.
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And the idea that there would be after well over a decade of this, what is it, 15 years of
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this, some smoking gun document that has survived all of the intelligence agencies up
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until now that's finally going to blow the lid on it?
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If you believe that, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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So I'd like to rebut that, if that's all right.
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Like you say, Donald Trump released these files as if there hasn't been like a year of
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a cover-up in place by Pam Bondi and the DOJ at, I believe, Donald Trump's orders.
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Trump's the one who arrested Epstein and Maxwell.
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They violated the law with how long it took for them to release the last Trump's files.
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So Michael's been consistent on his show about his position.
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But my question for you, Michael, a little deeper was, how do either we as normies, as
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a public, respond to the situation at this point?
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Or how should the administration change anything, handle anything differently?
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Because the whole thing is just a botched job from end to end.
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I agree with you, and I want to talk about why it's a botched job, because nobody should
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forget that right after the 4th of July on a Sunday night, the DOJ announced they were
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After, throughout the entire Trump campaign, they were promised to release every document
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to prosecute every single person that they could.
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They said there was nothing, that there was no files.
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And after, by the way, embarrassing the shit out of libs of TikTok and other influencers by making
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them wave binders, and I thought that was super damn embarrassing.
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Can we agree that that was an embarrassing start?
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It took Democrats and Republicans coming together with a discharge petition to get that
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bill to move forward and to create the political conditions for Donald Trump to be so scared
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of the public's reaction that he was forced to sign it.
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And I want to remind people that according to Thomas Mass, he was a Republican, conservative
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He was threatened by the FBI to have his staff brought up on fraud charges if they didn't stop pushing
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So this administration is pushing hard to make sure you never see it.
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And my reaction to the gentleman, he's no longer there, who asked his question is, your
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You should be pissed off that the federal government is lying to you like this.
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Actually, Trump's done a lot more because he released the file.
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Other than arrest Epstein, arrest Maxwell, unlike any Democrats, and then release three
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I know you've got to protect your daddy, but this is embarrassing.
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No, I have to state facts truthfully in circumstance.
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So Trump has said that he thinks it's time to move on from the Epstein files.
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Well, it's time to move on from the Epstein files in the sense that he released the files.
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I mean, the remaining files, there are like many legal reasons why they can't be released,
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some of which is that a lot of it's child ****.
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But he's released three and a half million of them.
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We know a lot, you know, and there are redactions for all sorts of reasons.
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But I agree it's time to move on from the files because the files part has been accomplished.
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What I want to know with Epstein is a consistent question, which is,
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I would like for there to be justice for the victims if there can be.
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I want to separate the credible claims from the false claims, some of which have been proven.
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But what I want to know is who was Epstein working for and for what purpose?
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Some people want to say he was, you know, like a super spy for Mossad or for the CIA
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or for now the story is the Polish prime minister saying he was a super spy for Russia
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And the reality is there's evidence to back up like all of that.
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And it's very unclear what his actual mission was.
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Furthermore, the claim that he was a spy makes people think that he was James Bond,
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you know, training at Langley or something, you know, on a mission.
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I think he was a dodgy influence peddler who collected connections
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and greased the wheels of government and business and politics around the world.
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I want to know the machinery of the corruption more than I want to know the lurid details.
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That needs to be pursued, that we need to continue to follow.
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However, I'm open to suggestions on how to do it because he obviously ran a very sophisticated operation
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and no one's been able to come up with answers yet.
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The first is they have not released all of the Epstein files.
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I what if it's not necessarily to the public, not to the public, but like, look, I don't buy their claim
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But I think the idea that the remaining files is child is all child.
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It's all given the number of times that they've lied.
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We should take nothing that this administration says at face value.
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The second thing is on that first point, they still haven't released the names of everyone
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who's been accused of violence against little boys and little girls in the Epstein files.
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And the question is why now, number two, again, I want you to talk.
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But like the second point I want to make is you've brought up multiple times.
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And that's a very clever thing that MAGA oriented influencers are doing right now
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because they want you focused on that so that you can be like, oh, is he working for Putin?
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Instead of going, how is it possible that nobody is being prosecuted for these crimes?
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How is it possible that they're concealing these names and this information?
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I just explained it to you because you can't name the crimes or the people to prosecute.
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I can't because I don't have all the information.
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How am I supposed to tell you the names of the things that are concealed?
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Is it possible that the names that are concealed are, it could be concealed because there's
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an act of investigation against those names and that creating or leaking those names out
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to the public could create a public just outcry against those people that would jeopardize
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Another reason that it would be irresponsible to release just any name willy-nilly that's
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had an accusation is because it would undermine the bedrock principle of our system of justice,
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which is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
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Yes, people who are actively obstructing law enforcement with guns and double mags are
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putting themselves in danger and unlike things are not alike.
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But to your point on why they might conceal some of the names, yeah, you can't just air
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totally unfounded accusations, especially accusations that have been investigated and
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been found, including by judges in some cases, to not be credible.
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That would be reckless and would undermine the bedrock principle of American justice.
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I want to know why you expect to be taken seriously in a political debate when you showed
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By the way, they asked me a week ago what beer I wanted.
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I said Guinness, and then suddenly at the last minute, the Guinness tap broke.
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Like, look, I don't, like, the President of the United States wears a long red tie and
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Michael's got, I don't know, a bomber jacket on with a nice gold watch.
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Hey, bartender, three shots of tequila, one for each of us.
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