The Michael Knowles Show - 2 Liberals vs. Michael Knowles： BAR FIGHT ｜ Mike Nellis & Michael DeFeo

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00:00:44.100 You should be pissed off that the federal government is lying to you like this.

00:00:47.020 Did we say military-run camps?

00:00:48.900 Military camps force people to be straight.

00:00:51.140 I like that. That's a strong idea.

00:00:52.320 I want to know why you expect to be taken seriously in a political debate

00:00:56.200 when you showed up to the debate in a hoodie.

00:00:58.060 It's called bar fight. 0.98

00:00:59.240 Well, welcome to Bar Fight. 0.72

00:01:05.260 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:06.020 I'm joined tonight by two guests.

00:01:08.820 Co-founder of White Dudes for Harris.

00:01:11.160 Senior advisor to Kamala Harris' presidential campaign, Mike Nellis.

00:01:15.720 They've lied.

00:01:16.260 We should take nothing that this administration says at face value.

00:01:18.640 And now our next guest.

00:01:19.920 He's a liberal content creator

00:01:21.440 who spends most of his time complaining about the Democrat Party,

00:01:24.480 which is something that he and I actually have in common.

00:01:26.400 That is Michael DeFeo.

00:01:30.540 Here is how this show works.

00:01:36.620 We will be debating three of the most controversial topics of our day.

00:01:40.840 The bell rings.

00:01:42.320 We duke it out for that round.

00:01:43.960 And then our friends in the crowd can come up to the microphones

00:01:46.440 and pick a fight with any of us.

00:01:48.220 And anyone who comes up to the mic can win special prizes.

00:01:51.180 And a seat at our VIP section sponsored by Redneck Riviera Whiskey.

00:01:56.860 Mike.

00:01:57.800 Mike.

00:01:58.940 Are you ready to begin?

00:02:00.220 Michael.

00:02:00.760 I am ready to begin.

00:02:02.360 It's round one.

00:02:08.620 I love this.

00:02:09.900 Now, Mike.

00:02:10.700 That Mike.

00:02:11.580 You kick us off.

00:02:12.920 What is your topic?

00:02:14.160 My topic is Alex Preddy's death proves Trump hates the Second Amendment.

00:02:19.200 All right.

00:02:19.480 Make your case.

00:02:20.620 All right.

00:02:21.740 So to the crowd for a moment,

00:02:23.120 raise your hand if you ever heard of the siege of Waco, Texas.

00:02:26.360 Woo! 0.99

00:02:27.020 Few people.

00:02:27.880 Right.

00:02:28.180 Did somebody woo that?

00:02:30.460 We're off to a weird start.

00:02:31.320 I don't know what side they're on.

00:02:32.400 Yeah.

00:02:32.620 I'm concerned.

00:02:33.740 So after the siege of Waco, Texas,

00:02:35.100 there was a massive increase in sponsorship and membership of militias

00:02:40.640 and paramilitary groups here in the United States.

00:02:43.000 It skyrocketed after 1993 through 2000 and then skyrocketed again in 2009 through 2012.

00:02:51.040 I wonder what happened in those four years.

00:02:53.100 So during that time, people began to be concerned about American military operations here on our

00:02:59.300 own soil in something called Jade Helm 15, where Obama was using special forces to do training

00:03:05.760 in Texas.

00:03:07.120 Governor Abbott said that he was mobilizing the National Guard to defend the Second Amendment

00:03:11.440 property rights and civil rights of Texans.

00:03:14.760 They made it a whole thing on Fox News.

00:03:16.580 They called it the Texas takeover, as if we need to take over Texas.

00:03:19.780 It's already part of the United States.

00:03:21.820 And Alex Jones made it as mainstream as humanly possible because the United States was under siege

00:03:28.000 from its military and its government who was going to take away its Second Amendment rights.

00:03:31.340 Wayne LaPierre made jackbooted thugs, a popular term with the NRA, for years about massed agents

00:03:39.900 of the state coming to take away your Second Amendment rights.

00:03:43.220 Alex Preddy was exercising his Second Amendment right in Minneapolis with a registered firearm,

00:03:50.500 a concealed carry permit.

00:03:52.380 He never unholstered the weapon, and he was still killed by massed agents of the state.

00:03:58.360 My question is, is this not the exact nightmare that Alex Jones pushed, that the NRA pushed

00:04:05.180 for decades on us?

00:04:07.300 Now, Alex Jones has said that his death was not a horrible accident that deserves investigation.

00:04:13.340 He said he deserves it.

00:04:15.320 Donald Trump said that you should not and cannot have guns in protests.

00:04:20.800 You cannot have guns around federal agents.

00:04:23.080 Even the D.C. attorney said you cannot have firearms in Washington, D.C., legal or illegal.

00:04:30.940 So my question is, how is it possible that Donald Trump is the most pro-Second Amendment

00:04:35.620 president in history when the exact right-wing fever dream that we were fed for 25 years has

00:04:41.440 come to fruition under his presidency?

00:04:43.740 And he is the one who has the words coming out of his mouth saying you cannot legally carry

00:04:48.240 a firearm around federal agents.

00:04:50.640 If that came out of Barack Obama's mouth, I mean, you all got very mad with the tan suit.

00:04:54.820 Imagine how you would react to those kinds of words.

00:04:57.100 I thought the tan suit was fashionable.

00:04:58.740 I'll take that in order.

00:04:59.860 So you claim that Alex Petty's killing would prove that Donald Trump hates the Second Amendment.

00:05:05.820 Now, it's worth pointing out that Trump said that he objects to the killing of Alex Petty.

00:05:11.480 He was sad to see it.

00:05:12.540 Sure.

00:05:12.780 Some of us think it was totally justifiable.

00:05:15.060 It's always kind of sad, but, you know, I'm not losing sleep over it.

00:05:18.060 I'm sorry, is this the same Donald Trump who said that he's an assassin?

00:05:21.380 No, Trump didn't say that.

00:05:22.580 Trump didn't say that.

00:05:23.020 Well, they backed up Christy Noem.

00:05:24.680 Some members of his administration called him an assassin.

00:05:26.380 But we're talking about Trump.

00:05:27.300 So Trump says he was sad to see it.

00:05:29.960 He didn't want it to happen.

00:05:30.840 So right off the bat, it would be hard to arrive at the conclusion from that that Trump

00:05:35.940 hates the Second Amendment because he didn't justify the killing of Alex Petty, though I would 0.99

00:05:38.940 do so.

00:05:39.740 Furthermore, though, on the point of the Second Amendment, specifically with Trump, not Alex Jones,

00:05:44.000 not Waco, Texas, not the 90s, Donald Trump.

00:05:46.400 I think we would all have to agree to a handful of facts.

00:05:48.760 One, Donald Trump, in his second term, rescinded some of the ATF regulations that Joe Biden

00:05:54.480 had put on the gun stores.

00:05:55.860 So that's very pro-Second Amendment.

00:05:57.260 Trump took us out of the gun-grabbing UN arms trade treaty, very pro-Second Amendment.

00:06:02.640 President Trump has, broadly speaking, supported our traditional constitutional rights.

00:06:08.220 Broadly speaking, with a few caveats.

00:06:10.440 No, I'm giving you specific examples of this.

00:06:12.400 But broadly speaking, he's been consistent for 10 years on the Second Amendment.

00:06:16.620 On a few things, he's backed off it, like he banned bump stock.

00:06:19.720 Some of the Second Amendment guys don't love that, but most of the liberals were totally

00:06:22.780 fine with it.

00:06:23.500 In any case, we've always had circumscription.

00:06:26.720 We've always had some limits on the Second Amendment.

00:06:28.840 The question here, since you bring up Alex Petty, is was the killing of Alex Petty justified,

00:06:34.560 whether or not he had a gun?

00:06:35.740 That's not the question we're asking.

00:06:36.940 The question is whether or not his killing and the reaction to it from Donald Trump, she

00:06:42.060 did say he was sad about it, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't, that doesn't mean that

00:06:45.660 he supports the Second Amendment around federal officers, because he has said he does not

00:06:50.020 want people having guns around federal officers.

00:06:51.940 It's a very different question than, am I upset that a man was killed?

00:06:55.200 I think it's entirely reasonable to be empathetic to someone being killed like that.

00:06:59.280 But do you support the Second Amendment or do you not in all circumstances when you call

00:07:03.000 yourself the most pro-Second Amendment president in history?

00:07:05.960 Yeah, but I guess in some of the examples I've just cited, President Trump overwhelmingly

00:07:09.980 has a pro-Second Amendment policy agenda, albeit with some caveats like the bump stocks

00:07:13.540 and the tightening up the background.

00:07:15.740 And no guns around federal officers at protests.

00:07:17.760 Well, that was a point he made, which is a prudential point.

00:07:20.240 And I think this is the key here, because if we say that Alex Petty was carrying a weapon

00:07:24.240 and therefore an officer shooting him is a violation of his Second Amendment rights,

00:07:28.440 I think that fundamentally misunderstands what's going on.

00:07:31.040 Alex Petty had a concealed carry permit.

00:07:33.140 That's right.

00:07:33.520 His parents told CBS News that he never actually used it.

00:07:36.500 He never carried the weapon until recently.

00:07:39.240 I wonder why.

00:07:40.860 Well, right.

00:07:41.500 Why did he bring it?

00:07:42.220 Why did he bring a gun that was fully loaded with two magazines to obstruct law enforcement?

00:07:46.100 That he never holstered.

00:07:49.180 Yeah, wait.

00:07:49.560 I want to jump in here for a second, because let's define the facts of the video and the

00:07:53.160 facts of the case of the murder.

00:07:54.220 And I believe it's a murder of Alex Petty.

00:07:55.840 Okay.

00:07:56.260 Standing on the sidewalk, goes to help a woman who got pushed down by an ICE agent, doesn't

00:07:59.920 brandish the weapon, doesn't touch it, doesn't use it in any meaningful way.

00:08:02.480 He gets thrown to the ground.

00:08:03.560 That part's debatable.

00:08:04.440 No, that part is not debatable.

00:08:05.820 Go watch the video.

00:08:06.360 There are questions on the video.

00:08:07.440 There are no questions.

00:08:08.020 There's going to be an investigation, but it's unclear whether or not he should have an

00:08:10.380 investigation.

00:08:10.540 Yeah, I'm sure this administration is going to lead with quite the investigation, Jesus.

00:08:13.300 Sorry, the cheers came out a little bit for me.

00:08:15.720 Look, he was dragged to the ground, beaten by like eight ICE agents, shot in the back

00:08:19.620 three times.

00:08:20.080 They had already taken his gun at the time that they shot him.

00:08:21.960 But the question-

00:08:22.380 No, no, no.

00:08:23.120 Just let me finish my point, because there's no reason for him to be dead right now.

00:08:26.980 There's none.

00:08:27.880 And then the reaction from the right is that, oh, he died because he brought a gun to a

00:08:31.360 rally.

00:08:32.300 No.

00:08:32.840 And by the way, it wasn't even a protest.

00:08:33.800 You were standing on the sidewalk.

00:08:34.440 That's not really the reaction.

00:08:35.440 As a card-carrying member of the right, the question is, was the officer justified in

00:08:39.660 shooting Alex Freddie?

00:08:40.420 And so then the question there would become, what would be the cause of that?

00:08:43.700 The cause would be, according to federal law, the imminent threat of bodily harm to the

00:08:49.200 officers or to anyone around him.

00:08:51.100 What would a reasonable officer have perceived that when a guy shows up to obstruct law

00:08:56.040 enforcement to commit a crime-

00:08:57.180 He did not do that, though.

00:08:58.040 With a loaded gun.

00:08:58.280 That's not true.

00:08:58.980 He was already hit, and he was already beaten to the ground.

00:09:00.900 Let me just finish the-

00:09:01.700 Since we're establishing facts.

00:09:02.580 He was already beaten-

00:09:03.080 No, because you're not establishing the facts.

00:09:04.640 I am establishing-

00:09:04.980 He was beaten on the ground.

00:09:05.840 They'd taken his gun.

00:09:06.520 They shot him three times in the back.

00:09:08.100 You're only beginning from when he's on the ground.

00:09:09.760 Eleven days earlier, he'd assaulted a law enforcement officer.

00:09:10.920 Eleven days earlier is irrelevant to what happened.

00:09:12.900 The only thing that matters is what happened when they murdered him.

00:09:15.120 Hold on, hold on.

00:09:15.260 You can try to filibuster, but we have to establish the facts.

00:09:17.460 You are filibuster. 1.00

00:09:18.520 I mean, you're just making shit up, Michael. 0.98

00:09:20.560 Guys, if we're going to establish the facts, eleven days- 0.97

00:09:22.740 Eleven days prior, I'll just finish this establishment, then we can talk about it in the comments.

00:09:26.800 Eleven days prior, he had assaulted a law enforcement vehicle while obstructing ICE.

00:09:31.300 He then showed up again to obstruct law enforcement.

00:09:33.900 He had a loaded gun with two full magazines, and a reasonable officer-

00:09:37.060 That is irrelevant.

00:09:38.380 A reasonable officer, while he is committing a crime, certainly could believe that he was

00:09:42.920 an imminent threat.

00:09:43.540 Can I give you my last point?

00:09:45.260 Since we-

00:09:47.680 All of that can be debated, but my point-

00:09:50.480 That part can't be debated.

00:09:51.480 No, no, no.

00:09:51.820 My point that Donald Trump is anti-Second Amendment because of this event, Americans should not 0.69

00:09:58.740 face death at the hands of the state for just carrying a registered firearm.

00:10:04.060 What about carrying a registered firearm and obstructing law enforcement?

00:10:07.320 That is not a death sentence.

00:10:08.780 What if you pose a threat to officers?

00:10:10.820 He did not.

00:10:11.340 He was already on the ground.

00:10:12.400 He was not even obstructing-

00:10:13.680 I don't think it's reasonable to shoot that man.

00:10:16.220 Is there any evidence that Alex Preddy would assault law enforcement?

00:10:19.100 There is.

00:10:19.700 He had done it 11 days prior.

00:10:21.340 He kicked a car 11 days prior.

00:10:23.680 Like, really?

00:10:24.160 Like, come on.

00:10:25.300 Questions?

00:10:25.800 Outside of Twitter, this is an 80-20 issue. 0.98

00:10:27.600 Like, this is ridiculous.

00:10:28.600 Okay, I have a question for Mike number three.

00:10:31.380 You know, on the right-

00:10:31.800 That could be any of us.

00:10:33.280 It's the one on the way right.

00:10:35.000 On the right, people believe that Kyle Rittenhouse, like, he had a right to carry the gun to that

00:10:39.880 protest.

00:10:40.500 But I think we all can agree that that was unwise because of what happened.

00:10:44.480 How is what Alex Preddy did any different?

00:10:46.960 I think under the law, he did have the right to carry that gun.

00:10:49.520 What he did with it was what I take objection to. 0.96

00:10:52.700 He protected himself from a pedophile leftist terrorist. 0.91

00:10:56.240 I take objection to him shooting people with the gun that he did legally have the right 0.98

00:11:00.860 to carry. 0.92

00:11:01.120 What if they shoot him first? 0.99

00:11:02.320 Or shoot at him first? 0.95

00:11:03.260 So are we going to get to that now?

00:11:04.400 Because the ICE agents were not-

00:11:06.060 There was no gun out.

00:11:07.340 First of all, Kyle Rittenhouse had his gun out and brandished.

00:11:10.180 Hold on.

00:11:10.580 Alex Preddy did not have his gun out and brandished.

00:11:11.180 I thought Alex Preddy had been disarmed.

00:11:13.060 There was a gun out.

00:11:13.540 He had been disarmed.

00:11:13.880 He did-

00:11:14.340 I'm saying he did not-

00:11:14.700 So was the gun out or the gun was in?

00:11:15.920 No, no, no.

00:11:16.400 I'm telling you, he did not brandish his weapon.

00:11:18.960 He did never brandish his weapon.

00:11:19.540 He did not brandish his weapon.

00:11:21.080 When they got him into the ground-

00:11:22.220 They are federal law enforcement officers.

00:11:23.400 Was the gun in or was the gun out?

00:11:24.080 The first thing that a federal law enforcement-

00:11:25.280 This is Schrodinger's gun.

00:11:26.400 It's in and out half the time.

00:11:27.260 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:11:28.500 Listen, my father was a 34-year veteran of the FBI, three-time Trump voter, huge Republican.

00:11:32.640 I've talked to him about-

00:11:33.520 Woo! 0.99

00:11:33.960 Yeah!

00:11:34.240 All right.

00:11:34.620 Oh, yeah.

00:11:35.240 Can we get him up here?

00:11:36.240 I want him up here.

00:11:37.060 Oh, he'd be happy to do this.

00:11:38.120 But he would-

00:11:39.540 He would-

00:11:39.980 What happened to me?

00:11:41.860 So what happened to you, he says.

00:11:43.280 All kids rebel.

00:11:44.360 I tell you, I took after my mother, but she's more conservative than my father. 0.72

00:11:46.780 All right, all right.

00:11:48.220 This is a good family.

00:11:49.160 My dad will tell you, this is a bad shoot.

00:11:51.700 And I've talked to-

00:11:52.280 I've never heard my father say any law enforcement shooting was bad until this one.

00:11:56.580 At the time that six ICE agents had beaten Alex Peretti, got him to the ground, the first

00:12:00.040 thing they're going to do is check for a firearm.

00:12:01.640 And that's what they did.

00:12:02.480 And one of them took it, and then another one shot him three times in the back.

00:12:05.320 I'm sure your father is a very respectable guy with a nice, long history serving America,

00:12:09.340 and he voted for Trump, which I love.

00:12:10.880 All three times?

00:12:11.280 He voted for him in all three elections that Trump won.

00:12:13.260 However, I think you will find that even the subjective judgment of one law enforcement

00:12:21.860 officer or another is not going to overcome the law.

00:12:24.420 And even liberal lawyers seem to agree that the predicate here for using force was totally

00:12:30.780 met.

00:12:31.160 No, there are-

00:12:31.760 Alex Peretti will not go to prison.

00:12:32.800 No, no, listen.

00:12:33.100 We did a good job getting to whether or not he deserved to die when the question was,

00:12:36.940 is Trump still supporting the Second Amendment by what he said?

00:12:40.460 I thought we had resolved that.

00:12:41.480 Because, again, I'm certainly happy to defend the shooting of Alex Peretti.

00:12:46.400 Trump doesn't really do that himself.

00:12:48.300 Right, so that's my question.

00:12:49.840 Trump called him a domestic terrorist over the weekend.

00:12:52.980 The Trump administration has gone after him.

00:12:54.560 No, no, Donald Trump himself on Truth Social posted that he was a domestic terrorist like

00:12:57.420 four days ago.

00:12:57.800 Was it a re-truth?

00:12:58.960 No, it was him in his own words.

00:13:00.280 Interesting.

00:13:00.460 Wow, okay.

00:13:00.920 I didn't-

00:13:01.180 I mean, it was in lowercase, so I'm not sure he wrote it.

00:13:03.040 I'm glad to hear that Trump is defending the shooting of Alex Peretti even more than he

00:13:06.200 had been.

00:13:06.620 Right, all right.

00:13:07.560 Do we have another question?

00:13:08.500 Do we have time?

00:13:08.960 No.

00:13:09.060 Well, I would like to go back to the original claim of Michael III.

00:13:13.520 Yes.

00:13:14.320 Are we establishing one, two, three?

00:13:16.220 Yes.

00:13:16.680 Okay, great.

00:13:17.220 I'd like to go back to your premise, which is you're saying that his description of not

00:13:23.840 or request not to bring firearms around federal agents, can you describe why his request for

00:13:31.180 people not to do that because it's dangerous is him being anti-Second Amendment?

00:13:34.680 He didn't request, he said you can't do it, and that is, that decries to me a second,

00:13:41.400 a bias against the Second Amendment because he doesn't want people who he doesn't like

00:13:45.660 to be around law enforcement with weapons, and that is a concerning slippery slope because

00:13:50.400 as soon as you start saying only certain groups cannot practice the Second Amendment

00:13:55.280 to the whole degree-

00:13:56.560 But it wouldn't be groups, it would be certain situations, certain circumstances for any group.

00:13:59.900 It would be protesters, anti-ICE protesters, likely anti-Trump protesters.

00:14:04.080 Yes, I agree.

00:14:04.940 Criminals should not bring guns around cops.

00:14:07.020 I think it's a bad idea.

00:14:07.820 Protest is a First Amendment right.

00:14:08.560 It doesn't make you a criminal.

00:14:09.400 But obstructing law enforcement is not a protest.

00:14:11.040 It's also not a sentence.

00:14:11.360 Can you show me in the video where he obstructed justice in that incident where he was killed?

00:14:14.540 Don't talk about him kicking a car because it's irrelevant to the story.

00:14:17.320 Well, that is a good example.

00:14:18.840 It's not irrelevant.

00:14:19.260 It's not an example.

00:14:19.800 It was 11 days prior.

00:14:20.780 It's not an example because at the moment-

00:14:21.280 It's a good example for premeditated murder if they knew who he was prior to killing him.

00:14:24.420 But I want to just add something a little bit broader to Michael's point here, which

00:14:26.840 is that I believe that Donald Trump's support for the Constitution is completely situational.

00:14:31.860 He wants the Second Amendment for him and his people.

00:14:33.740 He wants the First Amendment for him and his people.

00:14:35.460 Doesn't want it for anybody who stands up to him.

00:14:37.220 And so they blame Alex-

00:14:38.120 What's your evidence for that?

00:14:39.200 What's my evidence for that?

00:14:39.560 Other than say Alex-

00:14:40.320 Listen, they talk about being a First Amendment absolutist, but he's got no problem using the power of the FCC

00:14:44.020 to silence a comedian that he doesn't like.

00:14:45.500 He's got no problem-

00:14:46.400 When did he do that?

00:14:47.220 Which comedian?

00:14:48.220 Jimmy Kimmel.

00:14:48.680 He got him taken off the air.

00:14:49.460 Is Jimmy Kimmel off the air?

00:14:50.760 He was off the air.

00:14:51.440 Doesn't mean he didn't try.

00:14:52.240 He was off the air until-

00:14:54.400 How long was he off the air?

00:14:55.100 Hold on.

00:14:55.340 He was off the air for a few days, but it came to the point where guys like Ted Cruz

00:14:58.600 had to come out and say what Donald Trump did was wrong.

00:15:00.280 I adore Ted Cruz.

00:15:01.260 He's a good friend of mine, but we had a disagreement on that.

00:15:03.460 Okay.

00:15:03.820 I mean, then your support for the Constitution is situational too.

00:15:06.100 No, because-

00:15:06.920 Oh, no.

00:15:07.380 I'm a First Amendment absolutist.

00:15:09.100 Well, I'm not a First Amendment absolutist.

00:15:10.620 I believe in the Second Amendment, but not for Alex-

00:15:12.360 I'm a First Amendment absolutist, but no, network television is licensed through the

00:15:16.800 government, so the government has a regulatory authority.

00:15:18.180 Oh, it's licensed, so that makes it okay for them to shut down a comedian because they

00:15:19.780 made a joke that Trump didn't like.

00:15:21.240 Yeah, basically.

00:15:22.580 Oh, I see.

00:15:23.240 Well, hey, these are honest.

00:15:24.680 I mean, that's good.

00:15:25.080 I just also want to note that earlier Michael was talking about how we have to have gun

00:15:27.780 regulations, but if I were to suggest we do something about school shootings, be

00:15:30.460 like, oh my God, it's horrible.

00:15:32.040 Like, come on.

00:15:32.580 What would I say?

00:15:33.400 What would I say in this hypothetical situation you've invented for yourself?

00:15:36.020 Oh, hypothetical situation like school shootings that happen every single day in America?

00:15:39.600 No, the hypothetical is the conversation that we had in your head

00:15:42.260 about school shootings.

00:15:43.040 No, because earlier you were talking about how there has to be limits on guns.

00:15:45.880 Yeah, there are limits to all rights.

00:15:47.120 I know.

00:15:47.400 Yeah, I understand that.

00:15:48.700 So what was the hypothetical point?

00:15:50.200 Well, if I was to come out and say, hey, we got to do something about school shootings,

00:15:52.960 you and the-

00:15:53.860 Okay, what should we do?

00:15:55.100 We should have more armed guards in schools, and we should arrest more criminals.

00:15:58.540 Can we also make it harder for people to get a firearm who are going to use it?

00:16:01.460 I'll give you a good example.

00:16:02.440 There have been a lot of people who suffer from mental illnesses, especially the transgender 0.82

00:16:06.360 delusion, who have shot up schools and churches, and they should be put into psychiatric 0.92

00:16:10.040 care and not be getting firearms.

00:16:11.300 He's talking about one person.

00:16:12.860 I'm talking about more than one person.

00:16:13.740 And by the way, the NRA had to come out and rebuke conservatives like Michael here for

00:16:17.040 saying that transgender individuals shouldn't be able to own firearms.

00:16:19.360 Constitution protects them, too.

00:16:20.580 Well, hold on.

00:16:21.120 It's situational for guys like you.

00:16:22.340 No, I just don't think that the NRA is the infallible authority on Constitution.

00:16:27.120 Which I agree.

00:16:28.320 Okay.

00:16:28.760 Trans.

00:16:29.440 Yeah, trans.

00:16:30.180 Someone said trans.

00:16:31.440 Trans? 0.76

00:16:32.960 No.

00:16:33.660 Are you? 0.94

00:16:34.340 He has to be trans. 0.83

00:16:35.480 All right, all right. 0.89

00:16:36.040 That's enough.

00:16:37.040 Can we get that guy a beer on my tab, please?

00:16:38.740 Seems like he needs it.

00:16:40.540 Okay.

00:16:40.960 That's success.

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00:16:45.380 Which questioner?

00:16:45.880 Who's going to the VIP?

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00:18:17.980 It's time for round two.

00:18:29.380 A giant Polish man has just moved me sitting in my chair. 1.00

00:18:32.720 It's time for round two.

00:18:34.280 Mike, what are we talking about?

00:18:35.400 Is that a fetish of yours?

00:18:36.800 Not until now.

00:18:38.020 I think you keep that to yourself.

00:18:39.180 This is a family-friendly crowd.

00:18:40.380 Apparently.

00:18:40.580 All right, my claim here is Trump's failure to prosecute Epstein's associates reveals the

00:18:46.940 rot in our federal government.

00:18:48.600 Okay.

00:18:49.300 All right.

00:18:49.800 What's your case?

00:18:50.540 All right.

00:18:50.940 So look, there is a cabal of very rich and powerful individuals, and it extends beyond

00:18:57.000 party politics and partisanship or anything like that.

00:19:00.180 That...

00:19:00.780 I'm sorry.

00:19:01.660 What, sir?

00:19:02.300 Minnesota.

00:19:03.180 The evil cabal is in Minnesota.

00:19:05.280 Fair enough.

00:19:05.800 There is an evil cabal there, too.

00:19:06.960 I agree.

00:19:07.140 Evil cabal everywhere, apparently.

00:19:09.380 But these guys, of these rich and powerful men, think they can do anything they want

00:19:13.960 with impunity, and it includes potentially Bill Clinton, most likely, based on the files.

00:19:18.000 It includes Donald Trump, who's been credibly on the record from people who have signed,

00:19:22.920 like, done interviews with the FBI on the record under threat of perjury that Donald

00:19:26.060 Trump threatened a 14-year-old girl.

00:19:29.300 And you've got...

00:19:30.280 And look, there's a ton of Democrats, a ton of Republicans in there, and at the end of

00:19:32.520 the day, nobody's been prosecuted.

00:19:33.680 And even just for a second, set aside the powerful celebrities that we've seen, the

00:19:37.260 powerful politicians that we've seen.

00:19:38.760 How is it possible that a thousand young girls and a thousand young boys have been trafficked,

00:19:43.820 and only one person's ever gone to prison?

00:19:45.800 It's Jelaine Maxwell, and she runs herself a minimum security prison. 0.98

00:19:49.200 And Epstein.

00:19:49.920 And Epstein, who, you know, killed himself, which I don't buy at all.

00:19:53.740 And I think that Trump is a huge part of it.

00:19:56.040 Trump is mentioned more times in the Epstein files than Harry Potter is in the entire Harry

00:19:59.520 Potter series.

00:20:00.840 Okay?

00:20:01.440 And so, Donald Trump wants to look at the American people and say, I don't know Jeffrey

00:20:05.840 Epstein.

00:20:06.200 I had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein, except he met his wife at an Epstein party.

00:20:09.820 He partied with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:20:11.220 He's talked about being friends with Epstein.

00:20:12.760 Well, no, he says that they cut ties.

00:20:15.000 Yeah, but he knows him.

00:20:15.820 He says he knows him.

00:20:16.560 He never said he doesn't know him.

00:20:17.520 They partied all over the 90s.

00:20:18.520 There's a million photos.

00:20:19.400 Yeah, I'm just saying, the claim you just made isn't true.

00:20:21.020 You said he says he doesn't know him.

00:20:22.220 He totally cops to know him.

00:20:22.940 He says he doesn't know him all the time.

00:20:23.940 Just the other day in the Oval Office, he was like, I don't know anything about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:20:26.740 We should move on. 0.94

00:20:27.960 Like, it's ridiculous. 0.76

00:20:28.960 Like, there is a group of wealthy and powerful people who want to pit everybody in this room 0.92

00:20:32.440 against us.

00:20:33.100 They want us to hate each other so that they can get away with abusing little girls and 1.00

00:20:37.920 little boys. 1.00

00:20:38.560 And I'm sick of this shit, and I want to talk about it with you guys. 0.99

00:20:41.220 Okay, so I think that you have just accidentally undercut your whole debate premise right off 0.99

00:20:46.480 the top, even without my help.

00:20:47.800 Are you going to defend what happened in the Epstein files?

00:20:49.480 I'm not.

00:20:49.920 I'm going to talk about the thing that you brought up in your debate.

00:20:52.140 So you said, Trump's failure to prosecute Epstein's associates reveals the rotten or federal

00:20:57.080 government.

00:20:58.040 I should add, by the way, Joe Biden's failure, too, because they didn't prosecute this when

00:21:00.940 Biden was in office.

00:21:01.580 Sure.

00:21:01.800 I'm just going to point out, and that actually plays into it as well.

00:21:05.120 I'm going to point out you've undercut your whole debate premise because you have admitted

00:21:08.760 immediately that actually the two top people in the Epstein operation, namely Epstein and

00:21:14.000 Ghislaine Maxwell, have been prosecuted.

00:21:16.800 And weirdly enough, they were arrested and charged by Donald Trump, not by Barack Obama, not by

00:21:22.880 Joe Biden.

00:21:23.400 It was by Trump.

00:21:24.840 And so right off the bat, the premise is false.

00:21:28.180 But then let's go down further, because I think a lot of people want to see more prosecutions

00:21:31.700 in the Epstein case.

00:21:33.140 Or any prosecutions at this point.

00:21:34.720 Sure.

00:21:35.260 Other than the top two.

00:21:36.280 Sure.

00:21:36.480 Yeah, but they moved Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison and promised her a 1.00

00:21:39.020 pardon.

00:21:39.460 I mean, she's serving a 20-year sentence, but I agree. 1.00

00:21:41.220 She's going to get pardoned at the end of- 0.99

00:21:42.100 Listen, show of hands.

00:21:43.440 How many people think Ghislaine Maxwell's going to get pardoned at the end of Trump's 0.94

00:21:45.460 term?

00:21:45.980 Like, come on.

00:21:46.800 Nobody.

00:21:47.080 Really?

00:21:47.500 Come on.

00:21:47.860 Nobody thinks so.

00:21:48.740 Of course not.

00:21:48.840 She's not going to be in prison at the moment.

00:21:50.540 You can pull this up when she's done.

00:21:51.780 The question then becomes, though, because, okay, we agree the premise is wrong, but the

00:21:55.680 thrust is fine.

00:21:56.840 We want more prosecutions.

00:21:58.300 Okay, who would you prosecute and on what grounds?

00:22:01.460 Yeah, so I would start here.

00:22:02.520 One, I don't believe that the DOJ has taken this case seriously at all.

00:22:05.480 And just separate out the names for a second.

00:22:07.440 How can they traffic a thousand young girls and a thousand young boys without other people who 0.95

00:22:10.700 help them do that? 0.55

00:22:11.340 Who help them recruit those girls? 1.00

00:22:13.380 Move them around.

00:22:13.800 I'm asking a direct question.

00:22:15.140 Who would you prosecute?

00:22:15.860 I don't have a specific name because-

00:22:16.700 Well, there you go.

00:22:16.860 That's the problem.

00:22:17.980 You say, we have to prosecute people.

00:22:19.280 So you think it was a mom and pop sex trafficking operation in Florida?

00:22:23.640 You're inventing a bunch of things I've never said.

00:22:25.800 No, I'm asking you questions that you can answer, but you're not answering them.

00:22:28.200 You made a claim.

00:22:28.960 You said, Trump needs to prosecute the DOJ.

00:22:31.780 And I said, okay, who do you want-

00:22:33.020 Well, Trump is the DOJ.

00:22:33.480 Who do you want? 0.96

00:22:34.100 Well, they're distinct, but yes, they work for the administration.

00:22:36.360 That's how Don Lemon got arrested on Friday.

00:22:37.620 I'm sure it's because they're very separate.

00:22:38.600 You're trying to avoid the question.

00:22:40.760 You said, Trump needs to prosecute more people.

00:22:42.900 I said, great.

00:22:43.400 Who do you want to prosecute?

00:22:44.300 And you said, Herder, I don't know.

00:22:46.280 That's not at all what I said.

00:22:47.300 Who should he prosecute?

00:22:47.860 I said, how is it possible?

00:22:49.040 You're avoiding the question.

00:22:50.360 Okay.

00:22:50.940 I don't have a specific name because guess what?

00:22:52.560 I'm not in the FBI files.

00:22:53.060 Let him prosecute Bill Clinton.

00:22:54.600 Start there.

00:22:55.200 Prosecute Bill Clinton.

00:22:55.920 Okay.

00:22:56.000 On what grounds?

00:22:57.220 I don't like Bill Clinton.

00:22:58.460 Whatever the FBI has in those files is clearly-

00:23:00.420 Have you looked at the files?

00:23:01.380 Have any of you-

00:23:02.200 Yes.

00:23:02.260 I have looked at the files.

00:23:03.520 On what grounds are you going to prosecute Bill Clinton on what he tells Congress when

00:23:10.100 he comes in to testify in public hearing?

00:23:11.960 You're going to prosecute him for something he hasn't done yet.

00:23:14.420 Yeah.

00:23:15.020 Okay.

00:23:15.700 Who would you prosecute?

00:23:17.320 Look, again, I want to find the co-conspirators who traffic these kids.

00:23:20.220 Okay.

00:23:20.520 So if you're asking me for their names, and by the way-

00:23:22.180 I am asking you for their names and you will give them.

00:23:24.040 I don't know the names of most of the perpetrators because the DOJ blocked them out.

00:23:27.580 They had no problem releasing the private information of the victims of Epstein's crimes,

00:23:31.160 but they had a huge problem releasing the names of people who preyed on little girls

00:23:34.360 and little boys.

00:23:34.700 That's not true.

00:23:35.100 That is true.

00:23:35.580 I could give you plenty of names.

00:23:36.720 Adriana Ross, Nadia Marcinko, Sarah Kellen.

00:23:40.980 These are the closest associates around Jeffrey Epstein, who we have firm facts, because I

00:23:45.680 actually have gone through a lot of the files.

00:23:47.220 We know that they were trafficking the girls.

00:23:49.300 Sure.

00:23:49.460 Those are the ones you'd want to prosecute.

00:23:51.260 All women, by the way, weirdly enough. 1.00

00:23:52.900 You know why we can't prosecute them?

00:23:54.420 Because they're protected by a 2008 non-prosecution agreement long before Trump entered the scene.

00:23:58.620 Which was by a Republican that Donald Trump put in his cabinet.

00:24:00.740 Who else do you want to prosecute?

00:24:01.620 Made in the labor secretary, I believe.

00:24:02.280 Who else do you want to prosecute?

00:24:03.300 Do you want to prosecute Les Wexner?

00:24:05.740 On what grounds?

00:24:06.300 Sure, maybe.

00:24:06.880 On what grounds?

00:24:07.520 Do you want to prosecute Alan Dershowitz?

00:24:08.760 On what?

00:24:09.120 A claim that was made and then retracted by the claimant?

00:24:11.760 You want to prosecute Bill Clinton?

00:24:13.140 On what?

00:24:13.520 You say he went after a 14, 13-year-old girl.

00:24:16.820 That case was already brought to court multiple times.

00:24:19.880 A California judge dismissed it, and then the claimant dropped it twice.

00:24:23.900 So who are you going to prosecute?

00:24:25.380 You can't give me anyone.

00:24:26.320 The claimant dropped it twice after she was threatened.

00:24:26.740 You're saying Trump's a bad guy for not prosecuting anyone.

00:24:28.920 I say, great, who do you want to prosecute?

00:24:30.420 You said, I have no idea.

00:24:32.680 What I am trying to say is that there is a powerful group of people in this country who

00:24:37.040 think they can get away with anything.

00:24:38.360 And right now, they're getting away with abusing little boys and little girls, and they're

00:24:41.160 getting away with it because multiple presidential administrations, Democrat and Republican,

00:24:45.100 sir, have refused to take these allegations seriously and investigate it.

00:24:48.080 And right now, if you go look at the documents that they dropped on Friday, the names of the

00:24:52.760 perpetrators of the crimes are blacked out.

00:24:55.220 That's not true.

00:24:55.820 I just named a bunch of the associates.

00:24:58.100 I just named...

00:24:58.580 No, I'm talking about the people who are abusing little girls. 1.00

00:25:01.100 Yeah, me too.

00:25:02.040 No, you're talking about the people who trafficked.

00:25:03.860 You had their names.

00:25:04.420 I'll give you credit for that.

00:25:05.200 Congratulations.

00:25:05.440 I'll go further than that.

00:25:06.280 People have had claims made against them.

00:25:07.600 Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz.

00:25:08.880 They are blocking out the names, and they've never seriously investigated the claims that

00:25:12.180 have made.

00:25:12.520 And again, it's not just Donald Trump's fault.

00:25:14.380 In the files, you can see the investigations.

00:25:16.800 You just cited it because you were talking about the claims made by the women to the FBI.

00:25:20.560 So you yourself admit they've been investigated.

00:25:21.800 So you don't believe the claims is what you're saying.

00:25:23.120 Well, in some cases, the claims not only were deemed not credible by the FBI across multiple

00:25:28.460 administrations, but in some cases, the claims were retracted by the accusers themselves,

00:25:32.040 as in the case of Alan Dershowitz.

00:25:33.120 But again, we know that this is a real thing because Jelaine Maxwell... 0.98

00:25:36.520 Do we?

00:25:36.960 You're not giving me any names.

00:25:38.100 What was Jelaine Maxwell found guilty of?

00:25:39.660 She was of conspiracy to traffic minors.

00:25:41.700 Yes.

00:25:42.260 Yes.

00:25:42.460 She's also a registered sex offender.

00:25:43.680 So why is she in a minimum security prison after Todd Blanchard put her there?

00:25:45.580 Isn't that part of the problem that we don't know?

00:25:48.280 Yeah.

00:25:48.420 We do not have a lot of these redacted names, and so we don't know.

00:25:51.380 And that's part of the big problem here.

00:25:53.760 Maybe.

00:25:54.260 We have a lot of the names without redactions, and you guys haven't given me an argument

00:25:57.460 as to why we would go after them, and you haven't named anyone else to go after.

00:26:00.540 It isn't about me wanting to go after them.

00:26:02.300 It's that the DOJ has never taken this seriously.

00:26:04.260 Okay.

00:26:04.700 Question?

00:26:05.560 Michael, I tend to agree with Mike, too, this time that the whole situation is foobar.

00:26:12.100 Did you say foobar?

00:26:13.420 Yes.

00:26:13.740 I love that word.

00:26:14.480 I agree with that.

00:26:15.300 My favorite word.

00:26:15.900 Before I get into the question for you, well, actually, both questions are for Michael.

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00:26:32.560 I have, like, five good answers for you, and I will tell you after this show.

00:26:37.520 Fantastic.

00:26:38.000 Let me know after the show.

00:26:38.280 But I don't want to blow up my spots on air.

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00:26:49.200 Now, with regard to the Epstein issue...

00:26:51.980 Yes, sir.

00:26:52.300 And your position, Michael Knowles, that we know all we're going to know, I'd like to

00:27:03.360 know how you suggest we react when, as Mike Tu said, the situation is so foobar, not accomplishing

00:27:15.300 anything other than distractions.

00:27:17.860 What do we do with this situation?

00:27:19.860 What do you recommend or prescribe?

00:27:22.120 Yes.

00:27:22.600 Okay.

00:27:22.860 And to articulate my view, which you alluded to, my point, which I've said from the beginning,

00:27:26.840 I've been vindicated every step of the way, is...

00:27:30.260 Just like Donald Trump, total vindication.

00:27:31.860 I have been totally vindicated on this.

00:27:33.600 There are two possibilities with Epstein.

00:27:36.020 Either Epstein is what the mainstream narrative tells us, just like a kind of eccentric rich

00:27:40.620 guy who was a sex freak and had no connections to intelligence or no associates or just forget 0.52

00:27:46.300 about it, move along, move along. 0.98

00:27:47.460 Either that's true or Epstein was something else.

00:27:50.940 He was a little bit more than that.

00:27:52.720 In either case, we are not going to get any more information.

00:27:56.760 If it were the first mainstream narrative, which I don't believe, then we obviously already

00:28:00.460 know everything we're going to know.

00:28:01.380 If it's the second narrative, which is that this guy was mobbed up with everybody, with

00:28:06.680 intelligence services all over the place.

00:28:09.200 People cite the CIA, the United States, or Israel, or Russia has come out in this tranche

00:28:14.720 of documents, or the Arabs, or MI6, or the list goes on and on and on.

00:28:18.800 It seems like this guy was mobbed up with everybody.

00:28:21.560 And so we're probably not going to get much more information on it.

00:28:25.020 In terms of the radical transparency, we have millions and millions of documents that were

00:28:30.060 released by Donald Trump.

00:28:31.200 When you look at any of the potential prosecutions, no one has been able to bring one because there

00:28:37.480 is not sufficient evidence.

00:28:39.220 And in the cases where there are, and those four people that I mentioned, they're already

00:28:42.500 protected by a non-prosecution agreement.

00:28:44.360 So I'm not telling you this to say it's like a great thing and how wonderful it is that all

00:28:47.760 but two people got off the hook in the Epstein scandal.

00:28:50.400 But I'm mentioning that because that's reality.

00:28:52.820 And sometimes people don't want to hear the truth, but it's a fact.

00:28:55.320 And when people go on and tell you that Trump didn't prosecute Epstein's associates, one,

00:28:58.460 that's a lie.

00:28:59.080 And when they tell you that this is Trump's fault or something like that, it's totally 0.99

00:29:02.280 ridiculous. 0.62

00:29:03.020 If there were something for the White House to do, I promise you they would do it. 0.98

00:29:06.120 This is politically radioactive for them.

00:29:08.040 The problem is there is nothing to be done.

00:29:09.960 And the idea that there would be after well over a decade of this, what is it, 15 years of

00:29:14.320 this, some smoking gun document that has survived all of the intelligence agencies up

00:29:19.680 until now that's finally going to blow the lid on it?

00:29:22.060 If you believe that, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

00:29:25.040 So I'd like to rebut that, if that's all right.

00:29:27.120 Because let's talk about how we got here.

00:29:29.640 Like you say, Donald Trump released these files as if there hasn't been like a year of

00:29:32.540 a cover-up in place by Pam Bondi and the DOJ at, I believe, Donald Trump's orders.

00:29:36.120 What cover-up?

00:29:36.660 Trump's the one who arrested Epstein and Maxwell.

00:29:38.120 Let's remember, that was in the first term.

00:29:40.000 We're talking about this.

00:29:40.440 That's what I'm saying.

00:29:40.800 They violated the law with how long it took for them to release the last Trump's files.

00:29:43.980 So Michael's been consistent on his show about his position.

00:29:49.500 But my question for you, Michael, a little deeper was, how do either we as normies, as

00:29:58.980 a public, respond to the situation at this point?

00:30:02.580 Or how should the administration change anything, handle anything differently?

00:30:07.360 Because the whole thing is just a botched job from end to end.

00:30:11.000 I agree with you, and I want to talk about why it's a botched job, because nobody should

00:30:14.520 forget that right after the 4th of July on a Sunday night, the DOJ announced they were

00:30:18.500 done with the Epstein investigation.

00:30:20.140 After, throughout the entire Trump campaign, they were promised to release every document

00:30:23.160 to prosecute every single person that they could.

00:30:24.760 They said there was nothing, that there was no files.

00:30:27.620 And it took-

00:30:28.160 No, they said no client list.

00:30:28.820 No, they said there was nothing.

00:30:30.200 There's no list.

00:30:30.940 There's no list.

00:30:31.280 They never said there was no files.

00:30:31.300 They're obviously fine.

00:30:31.820 We're done.

00:30:32.040 We've reviewed everything.

00:30:32.940 We've got nothing for you.

00:30:34.080 And after, by the way, embarrassing the shit out of libs of TikTok and other influencers by making 0.87

00:30:37.880 them wave binders, and I thought that was super damn embarrassing. 0.68

00:30:40.220 I wasn't at that meeting.

00:30:41.360 Can we agree that that was an embarrassing start?

00:30:42.700 Yeah, can we agree that was embarrassing?

00:30:44.000 I'm glad I didn't get a binder.

00:30:45.280 Yeah, I think-

00:30:46.500 That's good enough.

00:30:47.100 You have a better sense than libs of TikTok.

00:30:48.720 But look, it took-

00:30:49.220 She didn't know what she was getting into.

00:30:50.400 It took Democrats and Republicans coming together with a discharge petition to get that

00:30:54.320 bill to move forward and to create the political conditions for Donald Trump to be so scared

00:30:57.840 of the public's reaction that he was forced to sign it.

00:31:00.580 And I want to remind people that according to Thomas Mass, he was a Republican, conservative

00:31:04.280 member of Congress.

00:31:05.400 He was threatened by the FBI to have his staff brought up on fraud charges if they didn't stop pushing

00:31:10.100 the Epstein files.

00:31:10.900 So this administration is pushing hard to make sure you never see it.

00:31:13.520 And my reaction to the gentleman, he's no longer there, who asked his question is, your

00:31:16.800 reaction should be anger.

00:31:18.000 You should be pissed off that the federal government is lying to you like this.

00:31:21.400 That's it.

00:31:21.740 And what should they do about it?

00:31:24.280 Well, you can't vote him out.

00:31:25.240 No answer.

00:31:25.720 All right.

00:31:26.240 The same thing Trump did, I guess.

00:31:27.680 Actually, Trump's done a lot more because he released the file.

00:31:29.080 Trump hasn't done anything.

00:31:30.320 Come on.

00:31:30.620 Other than arrest Epstein, arrest Maxwell, unlike any Democrats, and then release three 0.62

00:31:36.100 and a half million files.

00:31:36.860 Other than that, he's done nothing.

00:31:37.860 I know you've got to protect your daddy, but this is embarrassing.

00:31:39.880 No, I have to state facts truthfully in circumstance.

00:31:43.120 Next question.

00:31:44.060 Hi, Michael.

00:31:44.660 This question is for you.

00:31:46.480 So Trump has said that he thinks it's time to move on from the Epstein files.

00:31:51.740 Do you agree with him?

00:31:53.260 And what should we do about it?

00:31:55.460 Well, it's time to move on from the Epstein files in the sense that he released the files.

00:32:01.060 I mean, the remaining files, there are like many legal reasons why they can't be released,

00:32:05.520 some of which is that a lot of it's child ****.

00:32:07.920 But he's released three and a half million of them.

00:32:09.960 We know a lot, you know, and there are redactions for all sorts of reasons.

00:32:12.580 But I agree it's time to move on from the files because the files part has been accomplished.

00:32:16.620 What I want to know with Epstein is a consistent question, which is,

00:32:21.040 I don't need to know all the lurid details.

00:32:22.820 I would like for there to be justice for the victims if there can be.

00:32:26.460 I want to separate the credible claims from the false claims, some of which have been proven.

00:32:30.060 But what I want to know is who was Epstein working for and for what purpose?

00:32:34.980 And even that is not a simple answer.

00:32:36.860 Some people want to say he was, you know, like a super spy for Mossad or for the CIA

00:32:41.100 or for now the story is the Polish prime minister saying he was a super spy for Russia

00:32:46.380 and for this group and that group.

00:32:47.780 And the reality is there's evidence to back up like all of that.

00:32:50.860 And it's very unclear what his actual mission was.

00:32:54.520 Furthermore, the claim that he was a spy makes people think that he was James Bond,

00:32:58.420 you know, training at Langley or something, you know, on a mission.

00:33:01.840 But I don't think that's really what he did.

00:33:03.460 I think he was a dodgy influence peddler who collected connections

00:33:07.100 and greased the wheels of government and business and politics around the world.

00:33:11.560 And so I want to know what that is.

00:33:13.260 I want to know the machinery of the corruption more than I want to know the lurid details.

00:33:17.480 That needs to be pursued, that we need to continue to follow.

00:33:22.080 However, I'm open to suggestions on how to do it because he obviously ran a very sophisticated operation

00:33:26.700 and no one's been able to come up with answers yet.

00:33:29.100 Can I jump in here with two points?

00:33:30.320 The first is they have not released all of the Epstein files.

00:33:32.940 That is something they continue to lie about.

00:33:34.580 And what should they release all the child?

00:33:35.780 I what if it's not necessarily to the public, not to the public, but like, look, I don't buy their claim

00:33:43.520 that there's just a bunch of child there.

00:33:44.840 It feels like you don't think there's child.

00:33:46.060 I'm sure that there is.

00:33:47.280 But I think the idea that the remaining files is child is all child.

00:33:50.040 It's all given the number of times that they've lied.

00:33:52.260 We should take nothing that this administration says at face value.

00:33:54.520 The second thing is on that first point, they still haven't released the names of everyone

00:33:59.540 who's been accused of violence against little boys and little girls in the Epstein files.

00:34:03.200 They are concealing those names.

00:34:04.660 And the question is why now, number two, again, I want you to talk.

00:34:08.500 Can you let me finish?

00:34:09.080 Thank you.

00:34:09.800 And you can tell me why I'm wrong in a second.

00:34:11.320 But like the second point I want to make is you've brought up multiple times.

00:34:14.340 Like I see a Mossad agent.

00:34:15.520 What's this?

00:34:15.860 You super spy.

00:34:16.480 Like, what is he?

00:34:17.240 And that's a very clever thing that MAGA oriented influencers are doing right now

00:34:21.280 because they want you focused on that so that you can be like, oh, is he working for Putin?

00:34:25.180 Oh, was he working for Benjamin Netanyahu?

00:34:26.700 Instead of going, how is it possible that nobody is being prosecuted for these crimes?

00:34:30.620 How is it possible that they're concealing these names and this information?

00:34:33.360 I just explained that to you.

00:34:34.140 Don't look over here.

00:34:35.660 Like, come on.

00:34:36.060 I just explained it to you because you can't name the crimes or the people to prosecute.

00:34:39.040 I can't because I don't have all the information.

00:34:40.660 There you go.

00:34:41.300 Okay.

00:34:41.560 They're concealing the names.

00:34:42.660 They're concealing the names.

00:34:43.580 How am I supposed to tell you the names of the things that are concealed?

00:34:45.580 Is it possible that the names that are concealed are, it could be concealed because there's

00:34:50.180 an act of investigation against those names and that creating or leaking those names out

00:34:55.620 to the public could create a public just outcry against those people that would jeopardize

00:35:01.900 the trial?

00:35:03.420 Yes, that is true.

00:35:04.600 I would be very surprised.

00:35:05.460 Another reason that it would be irresponsible to release just any name willy-nilly that's

00:35:09.980 had an accusation is because it would undermine the bedrock principle of our system of justice,

00:35:14.360 which is that people are innocent until proven guilty.

00:35:16.500 We already know for a fact-

00:35:17.560 Except for Alex Freddie, though. 1.00

00:35:17.940 He deserved to die. 0.99

00:35:18.980 Well, Alex Freddie- 1.00

00:35:19.380 That's what you said earlier.

00:35:20.420 Again, that's a little-

00:35:21.540 You said it was a good shoot.

00:35:22.400 Yeah, it was a good shoot.

00:35:23.520 Yes, people who are actively obstructing law enforcement with guns and double mags are

00:35:27.840 putting themselves in danger and unlike things are not alike.

00:35:30.580 I agree with that.

00:35:31.080 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:35:31.360 But to your point on why they might conceal some of the names, yeah, you can't just air

00:35:37.120 totally unfounded accusations, especially accusations that have been investigated and

00:35:41.960 been found, including by judges in some cases, to not be credible.

00:35:45.680 That would be reckless and would undermine the bedrock principle of American justice.

00:35:48.800 Okay, any other questions?

00:35:50.560 Over there, do we have any questions?

00:35:51.720 Hello?

00:35:51.800 Yes.

00:35:52.400 I have a question for the man in green.

00:35:55.300 It's a very simple question.

00:35:57.200 I want to know why you expect to be taken seriously in a political debate when you showed

00:36:01.480 up to the debate in a hoodie.

00:36:03.560 Wow.

00:36:04.680 Wow.

00:36:06.040 You want to talk about shots fired?

00:36:08.600 Justifiable shots fired.

00:36:10.140 Wow, that's a lot.

00:36:11.220 I'm at a bar.

00:36:12.800 Like, it's called bar fight.

00:36:17.240 What does that have to do with your hoodie?

00:36:18.440 By the way, they asked me a week ago what beer I wanted.

00:36:21.280 I said Guinness, and then suddenly at the last minute, the Guinness tap broke.

00:36:24.080 I know.

00:36:24.520 I'd say it is.

00:36:25.080 It's all right.

00:36:25.620 It's all right.

00:36:26.520 It's all right.

00:36:26.560 It was rigged.

00:36:28.920 It was a rigged beer raid.

00:36:31.360 Like, look, I don't, like, the President of the United States wears a long red tie and

00:36:36.100 wears a suit two sizes too big.

00:36:37.540 Like, who cares what people wear?

00:36:38.580 Like, focus on the content.

00:36:39.560 Like, Michael's got a nice suit on.

00:36:41.160 Michael's got, I don't know, a bomber jacket on with a nice gold watch.

00:36:43.640 Like, whatever.

00:36:44.680 You either like me or you don't. 0.99

00:36:45.660 I don't give a s***. 0.99

00:36:46.160 He doesn't care. 0.98

00:36:47.720 Yeah.

00:36:47.940 He's had a few non-Guinness beers in him.

00:36:49.900 He doesn't care.

00:36:50.720 Hey, bartender, three shots of tequila, one for each of us.

00:36:53.720 Let's go.

00:36:54.100 Hold on.

00:36:54.140 I got to do another show later.

00:36:55.180 Hold on.

00:36:55.660 I got to do.

00:36:56.940 All right.

00:36:57.480 Who do we think won the VIP? 0.98

00:36:59.020 One.

00:36:59.580 Who do we think won?

00:37:00.620 One.

00:37:01.020 It was one?

00:37:01.540 It was one.

00:37:01.860 That's consensus.

00:37:02.740 Number one won the VIP.

00:37:04.060 You're my man.

00:37:04.440 You are getting Redneck Riviera whiskey.

00:37:06.260 And now, folks, it is time for the most important part of the night.

00:37:11.080 This is round three.

00:37:12.700 Round three is my topic, and my claim is that Mamdani's warmth of collectivism just killed 0.98

00:37:27.380 16 bums in New York.

00:37:29.780 Oh, hey.

00:37:31.100 You probably want to watch us debate how Mamdani just froze 16 New Yorkers to death, don't you? 0.95

00:37:38.300 That's probably what you thought you were going to get.

00:37:39.660 But you're not unless you subscribe to Daily Wire Plus.

00:37:43.540 Sorry.

00:37:44.500 Sorry, buddy.

00:37:45.240 It's expensive to pay for all my drinks at Bar Fight.

00:37:48.140 So I need to separate you from your money so that we can continue to put on these great

00:37:53.980 debates.

00:37:54.240 It was a great debate.

00:37:55.900 You want to see.

00:37:56.880 I know you want to see what happened.

00:37:58.260 It's me and the mics.

00:37:59.560 Just three mics up there debating Mamdani.

00:38:02.920 Peace be upon him.

00:38:03.760 Download the app, Daily Wire Plus, on your phone, on your iPad, on your television, on

00:38:09.420 your piano.

00:38:10.320 Download the app.

00:38:11.680 Subscribe.

00:38:13.380 Give me your money, please.

00:38:16.300 Thank you.

00:38:16.680 I appreciate that.

00:38:17.420 And then you get to see the rest of the show.

00:38:19.620 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:38:24.040 Do we have any more questions?

00:38:25.300 No.

00:38:25.580 We have to find out.

00:38:26.820 Who's the VIP from that round?

00:38:28.760 Two.

00:38:29.560 It was two.

00:38:30.120 It was two.

00:38:30.880 Two is our lady friend, right?

00:38:33.220 Yeah.

00:38:33.720 Okay.

00:38:34.020 Great.

00:38:34.820 I love that.

00:38:37.500 I love that.

00:38:38.440 Okay.

00:38:38.780 Please enjoy some Redneck Riviera while we get to the most important part. 0.51

00:38:44.900 In my humble opinion, nobody wins a bar fight.

00:38:48.060 There are only losers.

00:38:49.640 So the question is, who lost the hardest tonight?

00:38:53.280 Who is buying the next round?

00:38:55.500 Who is refilling the Guinness keg?

00:38:57.660 Who lost?

00:38:59.060 Was it that Mike?

00:39:04.480 He's going.

00:39:05.640 Oh, you clap for that.

00:39:06.820 Was it that Mike?

00:39:07.740 I'm going to vote for myself?

00:39:09.040 Oh, that was more touching.

00:39:10.240 Wow.

00:39:10.600 Wow.

00:39:10.880 Was it this Mike?

00:39:13.080 Hey, wait, hey, wait.

00:39:14.640 Hold on.

00:39:15.100 Get out of here.

00:39:15.760 No.

00:39:16.000 Boy, your staff turned on me hard.

00:39:17.520 Was that me?

00:39:17.960 That might be me that lost.

00:39:19.060 Did I?

00:39:19.640 How did I win every round but lose the game?

00:39:21.400 That's awful.

00:39:22.280 Did I?

00:39:23.320 Hold it.

00:39:23.720 Was it?

00:39:24.280 The same way Trump lost in 2020, Michael.

00:39:26.600 This is what it's always in that recount.

00:39:28.800 Was it that Mike? 1.00

00:39:30.980 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:39:32.000 Okay. 1.00

00:39:32.260 I don't think it was you.

00:39:33.080 You had the quietest one.

00:39:34.280 So was it this Mike?

00:39:36.320 Yeah.

00:39:36.600 This is shocking.

00:39:38.980 If we did it again, it might be you.

00:39:40.800 Okay.

00:39:40.980 It might be.

00:39:41.380 I'll take it.

00:39:41.780 You can try it.

00:39:42.640 Mike won and Mike and Mike.

00:39:45.280 No.

00:39:45.620 Mike and Mike won and Mike lost.

00:39:47.740 Yes.

00:39:48.260 Anyway.

00:39:49.500 See you next time.

00:39:51.160 See you next time.

00:39:53.440 Cheers.

00:39:55.020 Cheers.

00:39:55.500 Cheers.

00:39:55.760 Cheers.

00:39:56.160 Cheers.

00:40:02.640 Cheers.

00:40:02.800 Cheers.

00:40:03.200 Cheers.

00:40:03.700 Cheers.

00:40:03.740 Cheers.

00:40:04.080 Cheers.

00:40:04.240 Cheers.

00:40:06.100 Cheers.

00:40:18.280 Cheers.

00:40:18.640 Cheers.

00:40:18.680 Cheers.

00:40:19.320 Cheers.

00:40:19.720 Cheers.

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The Michael Knowles Show - February 14, 2026

2 Liberals vs. Michael Knowles： BAR FIGHT ｜ Mike Nellis & Michael DeFeo

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