00:05:58.980Just like, I don't know, if I discover there's some new species of bear, I guess that's fine, unless the bear is going to come eat me, in which case it's not so wonderful.
00:06:05.600But you clearly see the religious theological virtue of hope is just clearly being directed at totally the wrong place.
00:06:19.220I mean, you know, if you're a Christian, you believe that there has been a supernatural realm of beings that, for lack of a better term, we call angels, that have been trying to deceive us and destroy us.
00:06:35.260Jesus calls them basically kill, steal, and destroy, that God created a realm of supernatural
00:06:43.260beings called angels to do his tasks. One-third of them rebelled against him and have been at war
00:06:49.700with him ever since. And their goal, since they can't get back directly at God, they go after us,
00:06:57.300okay, to deceive us, to destroy us, to kill, steal, and destroy. And this has been true1.00
00:07:06.380throughout all of history. The ancient Near Eastern gods, the ancient Egyptian gods,
00:07:15.160the Arabic djinn, the demons that Jesus ran across. I mean, there's been various movements,
00:07:22.400a ghost poltergeist of supernatural paranormal beings that seek to distract and destroy us
00:07:30.100this with aliens is nothing but a new coat of paint on an old deception i believe there is
00:07:38.160something there i think there's just too many examples of credible sightings too many examples
00:07:44.240of people who have been quote-unquote abducted i don't know what that exactly means to basically
00:07:51.900just write it off. But it certainly is not intergalactic travelers. That just is not true.
00:07:59.580And the reason why science disproves it, we spent a time interviewing Hugh Ross, who's an
00:08:04.020astrophysicist, and he gave several reasons why it's just utterly impossible for them to be
00:08:10.500intergalactic travelers. One is there's no other planet exactly like Earth. There's too many things
00:08:15.920that are fine-tuned to make life possible on Earth. Second is the distances are too great.
00:08:20.960I mean, just to get to the closest star to us, Alpha Centauri, traveling at the speed
00:10:42.000who was pretty privy to these matters.1.00
00:10:43.940And I said, I don't know which is scarier, that it's Martians, demons, or the Chinese.1.00
00:10:50.060Frankly, it being the Chinese is probably the most scary to me.1.00
00:10:53.440At least my cosmology takes into account demons and angels.1.00
00:10:59.400My cosmology doesn't actually take into account Martians, but I don't know if they're good or bad.1.00
00:11:04.820But I know the Chinese have it out for us.1.00
00:11:06.600So actually, that would be the worst for me.
00:11:07.980is your thesis that the ufos are demons or do you leave possibility for other explanations
00:11:14.800i think demons is the wrong word to use it's a supernatural evil realm demons we think of as
00:11:23.840little chubby men in skin-tight red suits with a pitchfork and horns that's not how i think of
00:11:32.080them to be fair i mean i recognize there's this image of devils and things but but i don't i
00:11:36.440don't really think of them that way. You know, I think of demons as a sort of spiritual creature
00:11:43.780who rebelled against God. You know, and I think some people use the term that way.
00:11:48.840If that's what you're saying, I'd say fine. But Ephesians 6.12 says there's four types
00:11:54.500of supernatural beings. There's principalities, powers, world forces of darkness, spiritual
00:12:00.840forces of wickedness in heavenly places. In the book of Daniel, it talks about one of them
00:12:05.400as the Prince of Persia. Literally, these are very powerful beings. I mean, cartoons and
00:12:12.760Renaissance art has positioned us to believe that they're just kind of foolish little cartoonish0.97
00:12:20.600characters. And I think what I'm saying is they are very, very intelligent beings and very powerful0.59
00:12:28.780beings. And so I tend to like to use the word supernatural evil spirits because it covers a
00:12:37.120much broader term. China, I doubt it's China. These spacecraft or energy fields have been
00:12:46.660clocked at somewhere between, in our atmosphere, 40,000 to 200,000 miles an hour. That's Mach 55
00:12:56.040and up. Our fastest jets travel at Mach 3. And even the experimental ones are Mach 5.
00:13:07.840These guys are going at Mach 55, and then they disappear. I don't think China can do that. And
00:13:14.580I think most people in the military would say that they can't. So I don't think it's China.
00:13:20.980I don't think it's all hallucinations. There was a psychiatrist in Harvard, Dr. John Mack,
00:13:29.960who interviewed a lot of these people who had these abduction experiences, and he said he
00:13:34.700couldn't find any psychosis. They actually had some experience. Obviously, there are some that
00:13:41.500are probably hallucinations. People like Hugh Ross have said that probably 99% of what these
00:13:50.480contacts are, can be explained by natural means. But there's 1% that just cannot. I mean,
00:13:58.200the videos that were taken by the U.S. Navy ship in 2003 of these craft, you know, video, radar,
00:14:10.100forward infrared radar, it can't be, and you can look it up online, there's pictures of it.
00:14:17.520And we interviewed one of the radar operators who was on that ship and he said he watched this for several days. It doesn't. I mean, you have to explain that away. It's not easy to explain. There's something going on. And I believe the best explanation is the supernatural realm.
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00:15:55.680the problem is we live in a scientific age that has eliminated the possibility of a supernatural
00:16:03.560realm yeah yeah i agree with that i agree my i guess my question then is how the spiritual realm
00:16:11.060relates to the physical realm i totally agree the scientists just take it as axiomatic that only
00:16:16.460material exists which is contrary to reason actually you know it's contrary to what every
00:16:21.460society has thought for all of all of history uh so including frankly including our own but but
00:16:26.740uh i recognize that the question is if these are spiritual beings that is um they don't have
00:16:33.140bodies then why do we see them why have if it is the case as has been reported that we've recovered
00:16:41.120some of these unidentified flying objects if they if they have a physical dimension
00:16:46.760Does that complicate the idea that they're spiritual creatures?
00:21:03.220But I think there's enough evidence out there, and a lot of it's been locked up, that there probably were these beings.
00:21:11.400And I think the best explanation is that they're androids.
00:21:16.620I mean, the film Avatar is interesting to me because you have a guy who's a military guy who's disabled, but he is able to put his hands into this robotic body and enter this realm that he cannot survive in on his own.
00:21:30.860so i think it's possible i mean i i give credit to this a guy called la marzulli who first time
00:21:38.300i heard it i thought well that's a possible the other possibility is that when a leaf falls from
00:21:46.040a tree it looks exactly like it was initially after a few days it looks very crumbled up yeah
00:21:53.200and discrepit. When fallen angels separated from God, they were separating themselves from their
00:22:01.360life source. So it's possible they lost many of the abilities they once had. And the ability to
00:22:08.720manifest physically in this realm may have been lost. And we would call it that they died. Like
00:22:14.840for instance, demons in Jesus' day, Jesus points out that when demons are cast out of a body,
00:22:21.200They go over waterless places, that sounds interesting, and then they come back to the
00:22:27.580person they were cast out of, and they come back into him.
00:22:31.060Apparently, there is some need for lower-level demons to inhabit a physical body to manifest
00:22:49.540So I think it's one of those two things.
00:22:52.160You know, I wonder, too, on the technology point, you know, there are all sorts of writings and theories of people who write about demons and spiritual matters that, yeah, demons actually might have something to do with technology.
00:23:07.060I mean, this, in a way, is kind of the Prometheus myth that you have this figure come down the mountain and give technology to man.
00:23:18.580I mean, there are all sorts of kind of wacky theories, though interesting nonetheless, of how demons helped people to build the pyramids or something.
00:23:27.640Well, I don't know about the pyramids, but you can just look in modern science.
00:23:30.700There was an Indian mathematician who basically came up with some amazing things.
00:30:35.560The problem is that they're not who you think they are.
00:30:38.440they're far more dangerous and things let me just give you one thing they talk about the fact they
00:30:44.220show that humans are abusing the aliens in these in this film okay they never talk about the people
00:30:51.440who've had contact with these beings uh there's a thing there's a thing online on the government
00:30:56.700sites people have had contact they have headaches fever nosebleeds heart palpitations burned skin
00:31:02.820nightmares, brain problems, paralysis, temporary loss of time, temporary blindness,
00:31:08.080intense fear, nausea. We've documented in the film, people have lost their family. They've
00:31:13.400lost their finances. They've lost a lot of things in life. If you don't believe me,
00:31:18.040look at the book by Jack Sparks, who has probably been abducted more than anybody else. He wrote a
00:31:24.080book called The Keepers. Read that book and ask if that's what you want in your life.
00:31:29.180you know i mean basically these are not friendly beings they say they won't hurt us and they hurt
00:31:35.120us uh you know and so there's a sense in which you know it's like we're the bad guys because
00:31:41.100in 1973 we dissected some aliens uh but they're perfectly good you just got to trust them you
00:31:48.280can't it's as i said don't be afraid of what you don't know i mean this is ridiculous it repeats
00:31:52.800that twice in the film well you know there's other things sorry go ahead no that's that's i
00:31:58.920mean there's a lot of things i could state i don't want to cut you off well no just a last
00:32:02.680question on this point because my friend who's an exorcist father dan rehill he publicly said
00:32:07.480yeah that he he wondered if it might be spiritually dangerous to watch the movie he wondered if there
00:32:13.820was a sort of curse on the movie or something like that for people who are watching this right
00:32:17.340now we're saying it's technically a good movie but it's got all this bad stuff in it but it's
00:32:21.340kind of interesting would you encourage people to go see it well i would say like any other film
00:32:28.460from hollywood you need to go in with your defenses up uh there's this one scene where
00:32:35.140basically uh the weather woman is clicking you know it's like that the aliens are speaking
00:32:40.880through her i put fingers in my ear at that point because i don't know what i'm hearing
00:32:45.480You know, I've studied a lot about subliminal messaging, you know, and how that works when people, I even encourage people, if there's a UFO outside, let's go out and look.0.75
00:32:56.940I say don't, because they are very sophisticated in how they try to manipulate people.
00:33:04.000We know that strobe lights can throw people off with epilepsy.