Atheists, Covid, and Aliens： YES or No ｜ Kirk Cameron
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1 hour and 24 minutes
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179.55734
Summary
In this episode of Yes or No: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Expansion Pack, host Alex Blumberg is joined by the great Kirk Cameron, author of Born to be Brave, a new book about how to be brave in the face of adversity.
Transcript
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Welcome to another exciting episode of Yes or No.
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In this episode, I am at a great disadvantage for a number of reasons.
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a man who has significant advantage on me in terms of wisdom
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So I might be sloshed and he might totally win the game.
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That would be, of course, the great Kirk Cameron.
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So you have this book, Born to be Brave, out now,
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I have, I haven't even written another book in like four years.
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All I have is a board game or a little card game,
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with the Yes or No Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Expansion Pack.
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And I fear, Kirk, not only are you brave, but you are wise,
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and you have the wisdom that comes with maturity.
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I will pull a card, I will pull a card, I will read the prompt, you will move my martini glass based on how you think I would answer the question.
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And we'll flip it, I will move your coffee cup based on how I think you would answer the question.
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Feminism is, this is one of my favorite quotes in the history of politics.
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Feminism is a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands,
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kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.
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And what do I think you're going to say about that?
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I'm not 100%, I'm sorry, this is the first time playing the game.
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If I don't think you agree 100% with the quote, but say 90% of the quote,
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do I go with 90% yes, or it's got to be all or nothing?
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If a reasonable person might assent, you know, no one agrees with everyone on every single thing most of the time.
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So if there's, say, 90%, probably that would be an agreement.
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Well, Kirk, it was an easy one, in fact, because I do agree 100% with Pat Robertson.
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I don't, which part did you think I was skeptical?
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There may be some who still want to sleep with men.
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Everything else from, you know, aborting children to.
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An attack on the family structure and all that kind of stuff.
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These things are critical, and we're seeing the fallout of that today, and you talk about it all the time.
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And even, you raise a good objection on the lesbian part, because some of them are not lesbians.
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But also because the left has gone so far in the sexual revolution ideology, they now kind of deny that lesbians exist.
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Because a lesbian is a woman who is attracted to other women.
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But now the left denies that women even exist as a category.
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The one that people always clutch their pearls on is the witchcraft thing.
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But, you know, in modern life, the New Age occult pseudo-religion is extraordinarily prevalent.
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I mean, people all the time with their little crystals and their kind of vibes and their woo-woo reiki stuff, that is just, in a prior age, would have been referred to as witchcraft.
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You know, I'm not a religious person, but I'm a spiritual person.
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It usually means they've got some sort of a crystal or something.
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Yes, I have observed that, you know, religion is a habit of virtue that inclines the will to give to God the service he deserves.
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That's like a Thomistic, basic definition of religion.
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And so when someone says, I'm spiritual but not religious, it means that they're spirits, but they don't give to God what he deserves, which is the definition of a demon, actually.
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But a demon rejects God, won't give him what he deserves.
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They don't mean to say that, but they kind of are saying.
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But by definition, they're sort of saying the same thing.
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And I'm thinking of the scriptures that say that you believe in God good.
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Even the demons believe in God, though, and tremble.
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There are all these questions that have been raised at the level of the campaign and by
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people in the media that she's not black, her mother was Indian, but it seemed to me
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well-established her father was at least somewhat black.
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It was an Afro-Caribbean guy's professor at Stanford, but then there are all these questions.
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Well, you know what convinced me was when I heard her speaking at that rally, and then
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the accent came out, and it was like, you know, you could...
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But she also, by that logic, might be Hispanic, because when she spoke at that other rally,
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she started doing like a Chiquita banana impression, and she was like, hello, mami, and so I don't...
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She hasn't campaigned in, I don't know, the Lower East Side or something.
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But neither one of us have had anything to drink.
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Now, Eric Metaxas, I think, basically opens up a salt shaker and just pours it all in
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He asks the waiter to just put the brine from the olive can into the...
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I'm a little nervous about cardiovascular problems.
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You look at a glass of vermouth from across the room, that's probably sufficient.
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And although the problem is, we filmed this show, Kirk.
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Well, that's the only reason I agreed to do the show and play the game against you, was
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knowing that I would have a little stimulant in my iced coffee, and you would have a bit
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Does anyone have zin that I can just start snorting them or something?
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I see technically actors who kiss other actors who are not their spouses on camera commit
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And this is being read like in the first person.
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Technically actors who kiss other actors who are not their spouses on camera commit adultery.
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Oh, I have to guess what you're going to think.
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Had you asked me three, four years ago, I would have said no.
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Today, I am totally Cameron Pilled on this question.
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I actually believe, you know, I've had a little bit of an acting career, somewhat less successful
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than your acting career, but I've played all sorts of roles and I always thought, oh, it's
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you're living truthfully in imaginary circumstances and it's no big deal.
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But no, actually, you're a compositive body and soul.
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The things you do actually do have moral import.
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And if you're a good actor, then you really are given over to the passions of the role and
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And I would consider myself probably, I don't know, probably below mediocre as an actor.
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But when I have done well, it was because of an acting coach who taught me how to cry on
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And it was very, you reach down very deep into your emotions.
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And you try to honestly believe what you're doing.
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If you're faking it, you can maybe pull that off once.
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But now you've got a two shot and you've got the other actor to give something to.
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And so to your point, you are one composite person and you really are going there.
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And one easy way is to just look to your spouse or your children and ask them what they think
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of you making out or sleeping with this person.
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And if they're okay, you know, just throwing it into the box.
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There's just, there's something, there's something that it's part of you.
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Because you famously will not do this stuff on camera.
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And I remember when I read or heard that that was your stance, I remember thinking,
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I mean, anyone who's ever done a play in high school, if you take acting seriously and you
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actually want to do a good job, you know, even if your co-star is like an ugly lady that
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you're not really attracted to, if you want to convincingly play someone who's in love with
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that person, you have to try to cultivate feelings of love.
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And so if you're, if you're making out with somebody, you know, that's, your lips have
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And you've even given way in your desire and in your spirit to another person.
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Not even topics that I ever thought that I would think deeply about or would affect me
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personally, but then you find yourself in these situations.
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And that's where I think it's good because that's where you form your convictions.
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And then those convictions carry over into other areas of your life.
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And without you having to even teach them per se, they say, dad, I saw how you were when
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I saw how you honored mom, or I saw the things that you did that other people made fun of
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And I just want you to know today that helps me in the decisions I'm making.
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It's more of a risk to send your teenager to public school than it would be to buy them
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I'm answering for you before maybe you've even answered for yourself.
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One in 30 American high school students today identifies as transgender.
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One in 18 American high school kids doesn't know if he's a boy or a girl.
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And then that goes along with all sorts of anxiety, depression, suicide, very high increased
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I mean, you are, it's not, it's not 17 out of 18 chance, but one in 18 chance, you are
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And this is something that I've been leaning into a lot after I tried to read a children's
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And I thought I would go to the most diverse, the most inclusive libraries there were in
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And I identified them by those who have had drag queen story hours.
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Men dressed in skirts and high heels and fishnet stockings reading to children.
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Surely they'd want my perspective in their diverse environment.
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And they rejected me and said that they were inclusive and therefore I couldn't participate.
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They were looking for authors who were of color.
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So, you know, by the way, I was really nervous when I saw you at the Am I Racist premiere.
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I was nervous just not because of you, but just because I was worried that I was going
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So I might have three children who are half racist.
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But this idea of public schools being more dangerous than giving your kid a motorcycle,
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Because at the end of the day, public schools have become so unsafe for children, in my opinion.
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Public schools are far too religious for my preferences.
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And the value of the sacrifice that they demand from you to their priests and their elders is just not even, we can't even discuss it.
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And I think that they've created their own worship called secular humanism, which has become the church of secular culture.
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And it's the worship of corporate man or human beings.
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And they have their own twisted Ten Commandments.
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Now, I'm not talking about people who are genuinely struggling with gender dysphoria.
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I'm not talking about people who have experienced same-sex attraction since the time they were three years old.
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But I'm saying this was something that they don't perceive to be a choice.
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So I want to be compassionate and sympathetic and charitable.
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But these twisted Ten Commandments, I see them.
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And if you don't fall in line with that dogma, that is grounds for banishment from their society.
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And that kind of mafia mentality that is dogmatically pushed on children in public schools is way too religious for me.
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And the sacrifice, the hearts and minds and futures of your children.
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Ironically, they say they hate conversion therapy, but it's a conversion therapy to their false religion.
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George Washington will be the next victim of historical cancel culture.
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Does he have to be the next victim or just a next victim?
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Do I think he's the next victim or a next victim?
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I don't think he'll be the next victim because he's harder to get.
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If they haven't already, I think they'll go after Jefferson first.
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They've already done Columbus pretty effectively.
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They'll succeed with Jackson when they take him off the 20.
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He got a little handsy with the gals in France, according to certain reports.
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But Washington, he was so virtuous in so many ways.
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But I think he'll be two or three down the line.
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You know, when you asked that question, I feared you were going to say,
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no, he'll be a next victim and I'll be a next victim.
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Well, with everything that's going on in the country right now,
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and as they're continuing to dismantle people's understanding of history and the founding
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and the need for the Constitution and the value of the Constitution,
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and then we can, you know, with all of the racism stuff that's going on,
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I figured Washington is definitely on their hit list.
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And he's a big scalp, too, is the thing, because he's the father of the country.
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And so that's why I've made sure that I've prepared myself with my card here.
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And look, lo and behold, who is on the front of this card.
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So it says you've been a member, Kirk Cameron right there, member since birth.
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I'll take note of it for myself, but then I'll cover it up here.
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You hold in your hands the key to happiness, success, infinite wisdom, and power.
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Is that not the most ridiculous idea you've ever heard in your life?
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And look at, you see, this has got some substance to it.
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So this was made by a guy, Joel Patrick, who I met.
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And the idea that the left has bestowed upon you and upon me and George Washington such
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privilege, such power, such wisdom, such absolute advantage.
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And as obnoxious and as ludicrous as this whole concept is, that's where they want to go.
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Is to paint guys like you and me as these monsters.
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And certainly, George Washington has got to be up there in their top 10 list.
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They'll go after Frederick Douglass soon enough.
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So there are a lot of white privilege cards to go around, even to apparently non-white people.
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Nicholas Cage is the best Buck Williams of the left-behind movies.
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Sir Roger Moore once was asked who the best James Bond was.
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Because I would say I'm definitely not the best.
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It takes a lot for an actor to say this other guy.
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I don't consider myself to be like a highly skilled actor.
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You know, I got into acting when I was four, nine years old.
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I was 14 and I played this wisecracking teenage kid.
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And while I love acting, I don't miss it when I'm not acting.
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I'm not pining for an Academy Award winning role.
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And, you know, guys like Nick Cage, they've been, they've been acting their whole life.
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And I always thought it'd be great to have some kind of a, of an, I don't know, Saturday
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Maybe we could do it on your show where like, like two Buck Williams walk into a bar.
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And like, I walk up to Nick Cage, who's just like, he's sitting there with the martini.
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He's, you know, he's, he's drinking his blues away.
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They didn't even call me to, to, to, to, to do the reprisal of Left Behind.
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I don't know where to take the script from there, but I thought it'd be a fun scene.
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And he would, he would say he's living truthfully in imaginary circumstances.
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You know, that, that's his, he's living truthfully in unwittingly true circumstances, perhaps.
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Noah's flood occurred before the Great Pyramids of Egypt were built.
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Noah's flood occurred before the Great Pyramids.
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So this is presuming that I believe in a literal flood.
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Which, as far as the premise of this goes, I will not confirm or deny until you make your answer.
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And then, that it occurred before the Great Pyramids of Egypt were built.
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So, according to accepted archaeology, we would say probably that the pyramids were built after the Noah's flood.
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However, I sort of believe that, now we're getting into real kind of out there stuff.
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I sort of think the pyramids were built with the help of demons when the earth was extremely rotten.
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And maybe as one of the lead ups to the Great Flood.
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And so, I kind of believe that the pyramids could be significantly older than is commonly accepted.
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Though there is this one strange fact, if, depending on whether they were built at the accepted time or earlier,
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Cleopatra lived closer in history to the building of the Bass Pro Shop pyramid than she did to the Great Pyramids of Egypt.
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However, because I'm somewhat agnostic on the question, but I lean a little bit more toward the pyramids might be older.
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Well, clearly, I need to read up on this particular topic because I'm not sure.
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I think I remember, I think it was Ben Carson, wasn't it Ben Carson, who posited that the pyramids were built to store the grain under the leadership of Joseph in Egypt because of the Great Famine that came upon Egypt.
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But I just thought it was an interesting concept.
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But I didn't check in the dating, the dating of-
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Well, that, I suppose that would justify, it was, they were out of the word.
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And so, because the flood, the flood would have to be very, very old, like significantly older than the consensus of when the pyramids were built.
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And that's a pretty good, okay, well, you just lost a point for yourself because that persuaded me.
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Well, if I were competing against someone, I wouldn't try to persuade him to take a point.
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And now we're just having a friendly conversation.
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The media's war on masculinity is really an attack on biblical manhood.
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The media's war on masculinity is really an attack on biblical manhood.
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My only question was, is it also an attack on sort of natural, not supernatural manhood,
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but not necessarily biblical or Christian manhood, but even kind of natural, like pagan manhood?
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I agree that the supernatural is, you know, is sort of playing upon the natural.
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So it's not that they're necessarily in contradiction.
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But there is a kind of, you know, outside of a biblical worldview, men could, you know,
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be knuckle-dragging troglodytes with a whole harem who are just pillaging and burning
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the world, have no sense of justice or don't care for justice.
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And the left actually kind of supports that masculinity, right?
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I mean, they support these nasty men who just pursue their self-interest.
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I mean, many of them are their own politicians.
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So, but I guess then in that way, they, specifically their attacks on manliness are an attack on
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The sense that I get is, is, is, is that much of the media wants to depict men as defective
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Um, you know, you're just, you know, we can just fix a few things and then you can be more
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And I think that is clearly because, um, there, there is inherent value to being masculine.
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And, uh, when you have men who are strong and bold and courageous, who are compassionate
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and stand for the truth, not fighting to be, uh, simply gangsters who are looking to be
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bad-asses, but men who so love their wives, children, and their God and their family and
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their future that they're willing to defend it with their own lives.
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That's something that stands in the way of consolidating power in the government and advancing
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Marxism or any other kind of, of, uh, uh, you know, ideology that would, uh, that would
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So I think that's where decentralization of power is the biblical model.
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And that model, uh, is dependent upon families and families, uh, minus, uh, a biblical concept
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of manhood and fatherhood and masculinity, uh, is just devastating.
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And God bless all the single moms out there and God bless those who are trying to do it.
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But fatherlessness is killing so many people in our country.
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And, and I think that we need to read, recapture a right biblical natural design of masculinity.
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He said, uh, I'm paraphrasing, but if, if you, if you, if you think strong men are dangerous,
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Wait till you hear about unchristian nationalism is a lot worse, man.
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And I, I, I've tried to educate myself about all these things, uh, over the last couple
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Um, and this, you know, how do you respond to, you know, toxic masculinity arguments?
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How do you respond to Christian nationalism arguments?
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And, um, you know, women, I believe want good, masculine, strong men, providers, protectors.
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And when it comes to Christian nationalism, you know, we used to, I think we used to correct
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me if I'm wrong, but I, I think that used to be just called Christian patriotism.
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Like my, yeah, my grandpa, he fought in world war two as a Navy corpsman together with
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So he was a medic that pulled the guys back on the Island of Iwo Jima.
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And he would have been called a Christian nationalist.
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Um, but you know who really hates nationalists and who came up with the term?
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Globalists by definition hate nationalists because they want there to be just one great
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So they're, they're the biggest capitalists of all.
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And then I like a little sort of atheist globalism.
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To clarify our terms here, we're talking about the school of acting, popularized by Brando
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and his ilk, comes from Russia, very psychological.
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You know, some proponents of it are Stanislavski, obviously, Strasburg, Uda Hagen, Meisner, Stella
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That school in the 20th century where, you know, you're really, I don't know, you're really
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I think Ben might have put a little Tennessee whiskey in there for me.
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It seems to me, I don't know, I'm sure you've met, well, you've run in actually kind of circles
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with nice actors, but I'm sure you've met a lot of crazy ones too.
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The vast majority, even of really good people I like in show business, vast majority of them,
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especially who engage in modern acting techniques, are completely insane, completely nuts.
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And they sort of have to be because, I had an acting teacher once, a great acting teacher
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who was assistant for Meisner back in the 50s, was very much involved in this kind of acting.
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And he said, you know, to be an actor, you have to be a gullible fool because you have to
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believe the circumstances of the movie or whatever.
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And so if you're constantly giving yourself over to all of these other circumstances,
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personalities, desires, objectives, all this stuff, it kind of twists your mind a little bit.
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But to the degree that I've done well acting, you go there deeply.
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I'm going to give you the warp speed version of the lesson.
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You would think that you need to think of something really sad, Michael, or have some
00:33:30.140
little person sticking you with pins underneath the table to make you cry.
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But really, what I did is I had a scene on an old show called Touched by an Angel.
00:33:44.540
And the scene was I was a mailman who had a little nine-year-old boy who would wait for
00:33:50.960
me in his Spider-Man costume and wait for the mail.
00:33:53.260
And his dad was a drunk, and his mom was missing.
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I wasn't paying attention one day as the driver looked at my phone, and I ran him over.
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I then had to go apologize to the drunk father for running over his son.
00:34:12.400
And then there was a later scene where I needed to commit suicide where I was just profusely
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And remember, you're going to have to do it seven times.
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It's not like a play where you do it once in the order of the narrative.
00:34:28.460
Then you got the two shots and everything else.
00:34:33.660
We close our eyes, we being you and the acting teacher, and she creates for you an imaginary
00:34:41.080
relationship that goes back to the very beginning.
00:34:44.360
And you begin to build happy memories, very warm, very comforting ties of friendship to
00:34:52.120
this young boy to where your heart is completely endeared to him.
00:35:01.380
Then, once the relationship has been established in your mind sufficiently, they roll the cameras.
00:35:08.680
The acting coach comes up to you and whispers in your ear,
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Michael, you didn't watch where you were going, and you just ran the child over.
00:35:27.760
And then you're there, and you're just like, what?
00:35:32.140
And then boom, and the tears just start coming.
00:35:39.720
I don't know the name of it, but Warner Laughlin was the name of the teacher, and she was just fantastic.
00:35:50.460
Stella Adler, the acting teacher and theorist, had this line.
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She said, there's people who want to just make you think about your own personal life.
00:35:58.560
Sometimes acting, just say, think about getting dumped at prom or whatever.
00:36:00.960
Because if you're trying to play Hamlet, unless you're Danish royalty, there is nothing about getting dumped at prom that will help you to play Hamlet.
00:36:11.500
And so that technique, or even like a character biography, the sort of thing where you enter the scene and you know what you had for breakfast.
00:36:19.580
It's not going to come up in the scene, but it just gives you the confidence to live in this character.
00:36:22.480
And the ability to be present, saying, I know what's in my belly right now.
00:36:29.440
But that sort of thing, then, you cut, okay, Kirk, great job, thanks for crying a hundred times, and all those different shots.
00:36:41.260
And if you were going with the method acting that we just talked about, they have more scenes to do in an hour and a half.
00:36:48.840
And if you're not breaking out of that convulsing, and you're still there, and you're in it, and you're doing that for weeks or months, that would be psychologically damaging in my view.
00:37:07.000
In a cage fight between Kirk Cameron and a drag queen who reads to kids in public libraries, Kirk would get absolutely destroyed.
00:37:17.580
But only because the average drag queen is 6'2", 190 pounds, and completely drugged out on ketamy.
00:37:31.520
I mean, you don't get a physique like this through neglect.
00:37:38.120
You are not a cracked out 6'5", ex-con, you know, with a rap sheet a mile long, who has spent your life growing in your skill at predation.
00:37:50.760
So in that case, I'm going to have to say, yeah, you'd get destroyed.
00:37:56.160
Unless it were like a kind of David and Goliath thing, you know, even this mammoth sort of criminal who's got all the worst desires in the world.
00:38:07.280
That person's intellect and will will be so darkened by sin and evil that because you have spiritual clarity, you might just take that little slingshot and take him out.
00:38:28.540
I think I would probably get beat, not because I don't know how to throw down a rear naked choke and make the drag queen tap out, but they also have weapons because they have heels, stilettos.
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I mean, they could pierce a jugular and then it could be over with.
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So that's why I often wear protective clothing.
00:39:06.960
Well, it means more than that also, but it also includes to ask.
00:39:10.400
Anytime one of my Protestant friends asks me for a favor, they might as well be praying to a saint.
00:39:20.940
Anytime one of my Protestant friends asks me for a favor, they might as well be praying to a saint.
00:39:28.100
You're going to guess what I think or I'm guessing what you think?
00:39:34.460
Since to pray, says Michael Knowles, really just means to ask.
00:39:39.700
It's a little bit more than that, but it involves asking.
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Anytime one of my Protestant friends asks me for a favor, they might as well be praying to a saint.
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I'm actually going to learn more about my friend, Michael.
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It's not that you might as well be praying to a saint.
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You would be much better to pray to a saint than to ask me for my prayers.
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Because I think my prayers, being a member of the mystical body of Christ,
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But the prayers of the saints are more efficacious than the prayers of me.
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But, like, if you had the option to pray to, like, Mary, Holy Mary, Mother of God,
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or to pray to, I don't know, St. Peter, or St. Paul,
00:40:49.800
or to pray to really any of the innumerable saints, the martyrs,
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their prayers would be more efficacious than mine.
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Well, you are Michael Knowles, so you get to answer correctly.
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But, you know, because I was an atheist who was converted by the Holy Spirit
00:41:27.580
And that the saints are those who have been redeemed in Christ.
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So I would call you as much of a saint as I would call Mary a saint.
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You would not, because that would be like necromancy.
00:41:45.120
But I would ask you to pray for me, and I would certainly want to pray for you,
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And I'm also pretty fired up about knowing that in the heavenly places,
00:41:57.960
according to Scripture, that I both have Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit
00:42:04.220
With groanings that cannot be uttered, and Christ himself at the right hand of the Father.
00:42:07.640
So I feel like with you and my friends and the Holy Spirit and Christ are covered.
00:42:11.480
So you would ask me for my prayers, just as I would ask you for prayers.
00:42:15.040
You would do that because you can pray directly to God, and that's great.
00:42:19.260
You have a direct line to God, which is fabulous.
00:42:21.820
But you say, look, God loves his friends, and we're part of the mystical body of Christ.
00:42:26.460
And so it's good to say, hey, Sheila's in the hospital.
00:42:37.240
So, and my only point is, because God is the God of the living, not of the dead.
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Because the one thing we know about the saints in heaven is that they are not dead.
00:42:46.400
So then they can just, at the very least, you would say.
00:42:48.960
No, you just, you almost made me Catholic right there in four seconds.
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I often talk about, in Hebrews chapter 11, or is it 12?
00:43:03.080
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us run the race.
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And I think of that great cloud of witnesses as almost like heaven's balcony.
00:43:18.640
And one of my dear, dear friends, Marshall, passed away.
00:43:21.440
And I think of them as cheering us on from heaven's balcony.
00:43:30.060
And I think, I hope Sherry can see what we're doing.
00:43:40.460
No, because you're, you know, in a really clear example of the scene you're describing.
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Is in the book of the apocalypse, the saints in heaven are holding buckets with incense coming
00:43:51.340
And the incense, and you might say that the book of the apocalypse is a sort of mystical
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reading of the mass, which is a separate conversation.
00:43:56.580
But the incense that's coming up is the prayers of the saints, according to scripture.
00:44:01.540
And so, but that's just what you're saying, which is they're cheering you on.
00:44:04.760
It's not, they, they're not gods, but they're like, you know, cheering for you to God.
00:44:09.200
Call, and I wouldn't consider my, my, I wouldn't consider that as a Protestant, as necromancy.
00:44:15.780
I think of it as, Marshall, I hope you're seeing what's going on in that.
00:44:24.220
Because it's, you know, if they're, if they're praying, you know, if they're praying for us,
00:44:27.100
or even if you say they're encouraging us, or they're on our side, or they're rooting
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for us or something, which is, I think is all basically the same thing.
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Then you say, all right, if they have prayers, if there are prayers of the saints in heaven,
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they ain't praying for the people in hell, they're damned forever.
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They don't, you know, they don't need any prayers.
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They're not praying for your cats or dogs, probably.
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And they're doing exactly what you're describing, which, which means we agree.
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This is a good, this is a good, this is a good conversation.
00:45:06.080
See, when you think I don't know how to run this show, it's amazing the lack of faith
00:45:09.260
that the control room has, but you do get to drink and it is your turn.
00:45:40.160
You have the look of the guy who's witnessed a miracle.
00:45:42.900
Well, I guess I should probably define our terms.
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I guess I've never tried to really strictly define a miracle before, but I think right
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now I'm going to go with a divine intervention that makes something happen.
00:46:08.720
So the first miracle that I would say that I recognized, and then I recognized many more,
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but the first miracle I recognized was my own change of heart.
00:46:18.480
It was getting a new set of eyes through which to see the world.
00:46:28.080
You know, I wasn't Christopher Hitchens who could like, you know, spout out all this stuff
00:46:34.100
I just found it very amusing to laugh at people who believed in an imaginary figure hiding
00:46:42.060
behind the clouds with a rainbow around his neck, just keeping a track of the good and
00:46:47.440
But then I heard a message that really got me asking existential questions, philosophical
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What happens out there when we step out of here?
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And when I heard the gospel message and I heard the news that God is holy, that we have
00:47:04.960
fallen and that we are deserving of his wrath because of our rebellion and wickedness and
00:47:10.160
sin, and that he provided a sacrifice, deployed a rescue mission, and that through nothing that
00:47:17.940
I can do to sort of like manipulate or persuade or determine the outcome, God in his mercy saved
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And he says, now believe the gospel and trust in me.
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And I had no idea whether that was true or not, but it sent me down a road of asking questions.
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And there was just something that happened when I bowed my head and said, God, make me who
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And I began to love the things that the scriptures say that God loves.
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And I began to hate the things that I used to love.
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And I began to rebel against and reject the sin that was once my pleasure.
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This isn't giving me an advantage in my career.
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It's not giving me an advantage with the ladies.
00:48:08.840
But there's something in my heart and soul that says that it's like God, I didn't just,
00:48:16.760
a pastor friend of mine said, Kirk, if anybody ever asks you, how did you find God in Hollywood?
00:48:28.240
And I can't find any other way to explain the worldview shift and the change of heart that
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And it's the best kind of miracle because if I could get God to just levitate this martini
00:48:49.720
I would just say, you're not going to believe this.
00:48:53.400
But when it changes the man or it changes the woman, that's the miracle that is priceless
00:49:00.380
Stuff like that, this happens frequently, actually.
00:49:04.280
We just, yesterday was the anniversary of the miracle of the sun, which was witnessed
00:49:08.380
by thousands and thousands of people, believers and non-believers alike in Fatima, Portugal.
00:49:12.760
The sun like dancing in the sky and spinning around.
00:49:14.720
And this was reported widely in the press, including by people who are not Christian, who don't
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Also, you know, the miracle of the sun is more important than the miracle of the levitating
00:49:30.400
But meaning to say, physical miracles like this do happen with some regularity, and people
00:49:38.240
Even people who have seen them up close, the change of the man is far more significant and
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But the change of the man will, that could have a much wider effect, in fact.
00:49:50.520
And I think, you know, when I read through the scriptures and, you know, you have the
00:49:55.120
rich man in Lazarus and you have the rich man in Abraham's bosom, and he's crying out,
00:50:00.380
go tell my brothers, go tell my family so they don't come to this place of torment.
00:50:03.580
If a man rises from the dead, surely that they'll, they'll, and Jesus said, even if a man comes
00:50:10.840
And if they don't believe the word of God, they're not going to believe, even if you have
00:50:15.980
And, and, and the, and the great miracle that I see in the scriptures is I think the great
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And that is someone's got to figure out how to transform the human heart because we're
00:50:29.280
freaking wicked and evil and turn on the news and look what people of power do and people
00:50:34.220
of means and resources do to other human beings.
00:50:36.160
They not only enslave them, they murder them, they traffic them, they abuse them.
00:50:40.460
And they'll do it to the people that they have been, whose care, who they'll do to the
00:50:45.220
people that they're supposed to be taken care of.
00:50:47.380
And I think that actually validates the scripture even more to me in Jeremiah 17, 9, which says
00:50:52.260
the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.
00:50:55.300
That's our greatest need for a miracle is the transformation of the human heart, which
00:51:12.340
AI needs to be regulated to slow the process of mass unemployment.
00:51:18.420
And now, why do I keep getting confused on who's supposed to answer?
00:51:27.120
AI needs to be regulated to slow the process of mass unemployment.
00:51:53.160
AI needs to be regulated because it is a potentially political order shifting technological advance
00:52:05.000
There are other reasons, one being that, you know, self-driving cars could, like, you know,
00:52:11.460
You know, I mean, there's all sorts of questions.
00:52:13.640
So in no small part, because I want to take a point from you, I would say, yes, I don't think
00:52:19.360
that one can employ AI regulations to stop the employment shifts that will occur as a result
00:52:26.340
of this technology, because then you just basically cede the ground to other countries.
00:52:31.700
But there will have to be some kind of political regulation, just because we're not a society
00:52:37.920
in service of an economy where we have an economy in service of political flourishing.
00:52:42.040
And if AI does somehow put, you know, 70% of people out of work, the society simply will
00:52:48.600
So there just has to be some kind, just as there was regulation of the automobile, there
00:52:52.000
will have to be some regulation of AI, even though the libertarians won't like it.
00:52:55.000
Yeah, yeah, that's getting into a level of thought and understanding that my bandwidth
00:53:06.040
And I'd love to have some conversation with you at some point.
00:53:09.540
And I've, you know, as people who want free markets and people who don't want government
00:53:14.140
control, at what point do you start drawing lines to say, like, okay, like, we're going
00:53:19.260
to shut down technology called AI because it's going to take over.
00:53:22.520
And then you think, well, shouldn't we just, shouldn't the good people just be more clever
00:53:30.040
Even you don't, you don't shut down the internet because there's going to be internet porn, but
00:53:33.140
you probably should regulate the internet so there's less internet porn, which they tried
00:53:37.560
But that becomes the basis for the argument to regulate anything, doesn't it?
00:53:41.700
But, you know, there's always a hazard in any kind of political life.
00:53:46.440
Yeah, but there's no, you know, politics is not a matter of five bullet points on a napkin,
00:53:52.880
You know, politics is a nitty gritty series of compromises between different groups and
00:54:01.780
And so, you know, there is regulation over everything.
00:54:07.860
You know, it wasn't, there wasn't federal national regulation, but there was very serious
00:54:11.960
local regulation, blue laws, Sabbath laws would be a good example of that.
00:54:15.560
And so there are always going to be these standards and norms.
00:54:18.040
And so you think, okay, we could say on the right, look, we're not going to regulate anything.
00:54:23.640
Like with internet porn, say, it's not going to stop our opponents from regulating.
00:54:27.940
It's not going to stop our, you know, we can say we're not going to have norms and standards.
00:54:30.880
But just as we would say in schools, we don't want like weird porn and drag queens,
00:54:38.320
Well, I like free speech, but I like standards and, you know.
00:54:43.000
So just as that is the case, with something like AI, yes, there's a hazard that the bad
00:54:49.640
guys will use any regulation to censor us or whatever, you know, to gain an advantage.
00:54:54.640
But I don't think that recuses us from the difficult task of governing.
00:55:00.780
I think we just have to be the ones to wield power and do it in a just manner.
00:55:07.160
And I think, you know, my worldview sort of lays it out and says that's why the self-government
00:55:16.480
and the transformation of the human heart is essential.
00:55:20.100
Because at the end of the day, no form of government can fix these problems, right?
00:55:23.820
At the end of the day, you're going to find ways to weaponize laws, good laws, that regulates
00:55:28.620
good, you know, regulate stuff to actually regulate truth and beauty and goodness.
00:55:33.840
And so truly, the only solution is a systemic solution that begins with the transformation
00:55:41.920
If you have a nation of totally vicious people, you can't have a good country.
00:55:46.700
It doesn't matter how nice your constitution looks.
00:55:50.420
Michael, didn't they say that our constitution is fit and good for only a moral and religious
00:55:56.260
Because essentially, you don't give freedom to a bunch of, you know, pedophilic murderers
00:56:04.100
Well, because they'll do bad things with that freedom.
00:56:05.940
They can't tolerate, they can't wield their freedom in a fruitful way.
00:56:14.040
The casting couch is still the primary route to success in Hollywood.
00:56:22.820
The casting couch is still the primary route to success in Hollywood.
00:56:28.640
Primary is the word here that gives me some trouble.
00:56:35.320
So we're not talking about showbiz that takes place outside of Hollywood.
00:56:37.180
Yeah, we're not talking about the Kendrick Brothers and the movies that they make.
00:56:39.960
We're talking about dirty, nasty, rotten Gamora by the Sea.
00:56:45.280
Not casting aspersions on anyone who's in it necessarily, but it just is a systemic matter.
00:56:58.680
I had an interview on a show that I do with a guy named J. Warner Wallace, and he is a
00:57:06.960
homicide detective, cold case homicide detective, who has investigated more people on Dateline
00:57:14.400
than anyone else, and he's solved dozens and dozens and dozens of cases that are 10 years
00:57:20.860
And he wrote a book, and fascinating discovery.
00:57:23.960
He said, I have found that of every single cold case that I have solved, all of the motives
00:57:44.860
Every single one of them came down to that, and it drove people to murder.
00:57:51.800
You know, and we're talking so much about the scriptures.
00:57:54.040
That lines up perfectly to me with the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride
00:57:58.120
And you see Jesus tempted in the wilderness and in those areas as well.
00:58:02.820
And so I think, in Hollywood, this is the land of make-believe, the land of pretend, and
00:58:10.760
the land that is driven by popularity, pride, finances, and sex.
00:58:24.580
And if you want to look at why people in other countries would call America so wicked
00:58:33.700
and immoral, you don't have to look much further than Hollywood.
00:58:39.660
And when the opportunity is there, and I remember as a 14-year-old in Hollywood on Growing Pains,
00:58:45.020
you know, these documentaries have come out, you know, I can't remember the name of it,
00:58:47.980
but In the Shadows, Lurking in the Shadows with the Kids.
00:58:50.660
Well, some of the people in that documentary, turns out they were my stand-in.
00:59:01.260
We had question marks, but you'd never just, you'd never assign something like as wicked
00:59:06.760
But now that I look back, I go, wow, all the signs were there.
00:59:11.940
But the opportunity is there for every wicked, for every deadly sin.
00:59:20.440
You know, Hollywood, you know, wrath, lust, greed, sloth, envy, malice, everything is there.
00:59:27.900
And certainly, at the end of the day, the casting couch is a primary tool for the pleasure of those
00:59:41.460
We look at Epstein, and we look at all this stuff.
00:59:45.500
I don't know if it's still present, this statue, but it's on Hollywood and Vine, I think, or
00:59:51.200
Right by, you can see the Hollywood sign in the background.
00:59:53.280
And there's just a big monument of a couch on the rooftop of the mall.
01:00:01.200
I thought, wow, man, that's a little on the nose, isn't it?
01:00:15.560
Am I guessing what you would say publicly, or what I think you really think?
01:00:33.380
Ben, what does YouTube allow me to confirm or deny?
01:00:42.460
If this was actually moderated by ABC, we would be stopped already.
01:01:14.300
A man piercing his ears is more sus than a man playing a half-gay dude at a Yale student
01:01:25.120
They always bring up the one half-gay guy I played in a Yale thesis film.
01:01:30.420
Look, it's been a while since I was in this random student film.
01:01:45.840
I was actually trained in a kind of technical acting.
01:02:12.500
If a guy had a piercing on his left ear, it was okay.
01:02:18.540
But now everyone has like 300 piercings on their eyeballs.
01:02:27.700
Because I didn't want people to think that I was trying to communicate a different message.
01:02:35.640
I was in Hawaii doing this episode of Growing Pains.
01:02:38.640
And me and a few of my buddies, I think a couple of them got a tattoo.
01:02:42.820
And I used to have this really obnoxious crystal ball with a cross hanging down below
01:03:00.320
A man piercing his ears is more sus than a man playing a half-gay dude in a Yale student
01:03:10.020
Now the only thing is, you would have to play a fully gay dude in a Yale film, I think,
01:03:28.220
A pierced ear is not more sus than playing a half-gay guy at Yale.
01:03:33.220
In no small part because, even take the half-gay guy out of it, a man piercing his ear is not
01:03:40.960
more sus than really any graduate of Yale, period.
01:03:50.100
And I don't really think that that's, I don't think a guy with a pierced ear is making me
01:03:57.400
Yes, no, at this point, no, everyone has, I'm one of the few people in America is not
01:04:02.880
I don't, maybe I could do like the eyebrows or nose.
01:04:14.740
It's always someone super into like really bizarre lib stuff.
01:04:28.200
Like, I, I guess I understand like, you know, ornaments and decorations and, and, but this
01:04:33.580
one, does it mean something different than this or this?
01:04:37.500
Like it, to me, it signifies you are enslaved to something basically.
01:04:42.960
Well, traditionally that seems to be, you know, what you think of is, is cattle or something
01:04:49.740
I think people who are not always aware, they're not, they're not doing that to themselves.
01:04:54.160
They're not, they're not associating that themselves, are they?
01:04:57.020
People, people though, you know, sometimes people engage in signs and symbols.
01:05:02.240
By the way, I'm not trying to be, I'm not even trying to be personally snarky right now.
01:05:08.140
People, you know, it's like how if the man who sins is a slave to sin and, you know,
01:05:11.840
if you're free in Christ, you have his yoke upon you, but his yoke is easy and his
01:05:16.640
It's the yoke of Christ, righteousness, and people fall into servitude without, without
01:05:24.440
I think they think that putting a bullhorn makes them really free and liberated, just
01:05:27.900
like they think that committing any number of sins makes them free and liberated, but
01:05:44.900
See, you're like the political candidate in the presidential election that has the little
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And by the political candidate, you mean Joe Biden in that debate.
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Now that I'm a grandfather and I need a hearing aid eventually.
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Any wife with a social media presence is technically not a trad wife, not traditional if she has
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Any wife with a social media presence is technically not a trad wife, a traditional wife.
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I need a drink, too, because I got to ramp up my RPMs.
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I'm not saying if you have some kind of lurker Twitter account or something that's or if
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you like are on Twitter to get recipes or something or Instagram, but women who have
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That was the key phrase to me was social media presence.
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So in the traditional scheme of things, the husband is public facing.
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The wife is more in charge of the home economy and the private life of the family.
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And I think if a woman's posting a lot of selfies, if she's married, she is seeking
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validation or at the very least, she is wittingly or unwittingly attracting attention from men
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The culture that we are in today is the only culture that many young men and women have
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And taking pictures of yourself in the mirror with your own camera and then sending it to
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not just your friends, but everybody in the world, that is a very bizarre concept.
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I couldn't have even imagined what someone would have thought of me if I took my own camera
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and I took a picture of myself and I sent it to all my friends.
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Now, I've habituated to it and I take selfies when I'm with my family or even if I'm just
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promoting a book like this or something else, I'm like, hey, I'm on the Glenn Beck show
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or I'm with Michael Knowles because our society is that way and my job sort of depends on it.
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But when you step back and think about it, it's really strange.
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And you're saying in the context of being a mother.
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You're a public figure who obviously you need your pictures out there.
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But yeah, if you're a woman, like just taking pictures of yourself because you think you
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look really good and you want all these people to see it.
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Look, I understand there's a culture, especially for single women, but if you want to be like
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a trad wife and mom, ain't not a lot of selfies in that culture, you know?
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So I guess I want to say this because I guess I want to like exonerate myself a little bit
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It got me in a lot of trouble, but exonerate's a better word.
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So I can't judge the motive of anybody's heart and why they might be taking a selfie.
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However, I like what you said when you said that traditionally for the trad wife and the
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trad husband, that the husband is outward facing.
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She's the nurturer of relationship and culture.
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And Jordan Peterson has interestingly said that human beings can sort of lean on a personality
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spectrum, more masculine, more feminine, within the categories of male and female.
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It's not like every dude is like a cage fighter and every woman is, right?
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Some of us are like Conan the Barbarian, but other men are a little...
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And I think actually what Jordan really said was,
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But you know what you need to combine that with is some tears.
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I need to think about like the lobster or something, you know?
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Now, just for the watching, listening audience,
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Courageous and Fireproof were made by the Kendrick Brothers.
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I'm just going to answer for me, not even for you.
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The problem with Courageous is that the script was great.
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Oh, man, I thought you were going to say there was this one actor in Fireproof that really just...
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A young actor in Courageous made an absolute mockery of the entire acting profession and may have led people to question their innermost beliefs.
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Well, I'm part of the Ben Davies fan club, actually.
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So, I disagree with your reasoning, but my conclusion is the same.
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And, you know, Fireproof was one of those films, I think, maybe one of my favorites that I've been a part of.
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And I can't tell you how many people have come up to me at meetings and just said things like, dude, Fireproof saved my marriage.
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And that's what I appreciate about the Kendrick movies is that they often, they script characters that are the portrayals of so many relatable people.
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You can see yourself in one of the characters of their films.
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Everybody thinks I'm doing a great job, except my wife.
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And then he sort of devolves into the base responses to not getting what he wants, and then it just goes downhill from there.
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But then the turnaround and the comeback was so inspiring that men went out, they got the book, they took the 40-day challenge, and they said, it changed my life, and it saved my marriage.
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And so I, I don't know if Courageous ever did that, but I know firsthand that Fireproof did for some.
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A lot of guys, I think, I don't know, maybe most guys at some point in their marriage probably deal with something like that.
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And I will say, I hate to make a sincere point about Mr. Davies and his acting.
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I was at a school one time, I forget which school it was, and some crazy lib student was willing to sit down and talk after one of the speeches.
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And she did it because somewhere deep down in her Christian upbringing or something, she was a huge Ben Davies fan.
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And yes, and actually, he was like her favorite actor.
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And so somewhere there, that was still kind of resonating a little bit.
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I wonder if he ever was a centerfold in a Tiger Beat magazine in the 1980s.
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You know, Ben, can you confirm or no, you weren't?
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So she agreed to talk with you because of Ben Davies.
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And that's the one good thing that guy ever did.
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Vaccines are more dangerous than climate change.
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Oh, oh, vaccines are more dangerous than climate change.
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There is even the possibility that they are dangerous?
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Yeah, that's not a, that's a, that's like a free square on bingo, you know?
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How many vaccines do kids, are they, are they getting nowadays by the time they're 18 years old?
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Well, you now basically every spot on a baby that could be stuck with a needle, they basically
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And I'll tell you, when I, when I was a kid, I was told vaccines are great, there's no
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And I started meeting people who were like, yeah, you don't really need like a hundred
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I was at the hospital, it was my first kid, and subsequent kids too.
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And the lady said, okay, we're going to give your kid the hep B vaccine.
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I said, yeah, yeah, protects against, you know, like sexually transmitted diseases and
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And I was like, yeah, I, you know, I don't think my kid is going to any brothels or skid row
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It was a newborn, like, like just fresh out of the oven.
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And the actual answer that this nurse said to my wife was, well, or I think my wife had
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She goes, basically, you, you just want to give the baby the vaccine because you're saying
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Or is like an intravenous drug user or is hanging around with hookers or something.
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I'm, I'm willing to vouch no heroin and no hookers will, uh, the effect on my child.
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To say, yeah, uh, hey lady, in this very vulnerable moment, this most beautiful moment, probably
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in your married life, you know, since you've been married, uh, I'm going to accuse your husband
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And, and, you know, you're, well, you're, you're a father and I am too.
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Um, but all of this comes back around tenfold for us, me and my wife, when it comes to grandkids,
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because like you said, now it's however many dozens of, of steel needle sticks.
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And, um, there's all sorts of justifications and, and, uh, you know, I, I know that you,
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you, you, you know this, but, uh, I was talking to my kids.
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I said, kids, if, if, if ever you hear the phrase, we're here from the government and we
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want to keep you safe, that's when you, all the radar should go up.
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Most of the justification is we need to tax you more.
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We need more of your money so that we can keep you safe from things that will kill you.
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That's always the justification for more vaccines, more taxes, more this, more that.
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And I just think, wow, you know, we, we have to decide as a country, as a people, um, do
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we want to take this risk and responsibility onto ourselves or do we want to outsource our,
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And, uh, we got to decide cause we could be China really quick or we have to do the
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I, if, if Dr. Fauci shows up knocking, Hey, I want to make you safe.
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It's like, let's get out the bear spray, bolt the door.
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Which is a terrible thought, but, um, we're here.
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The ah was what made me think your answer is yes.
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You know, what's great about this so far is I have been honest the whole time.
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I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say no.
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I had a grandfather who I told you about was in World War II, who I love with all of my heart.
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And when I asked him what the deal was with his Freemasonry stuff, and he had his rabbit's
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foot that he was just buried with and his apron and the whole thing.
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Some of my, listen, some of my close friends are Freemasons.
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And my grandfather was a Mason, as in the architectural type.
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Did you do like weird funky stuff in the back rooms of, you know, in the temples and this
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But back in the, back in the 40s and the 50s, he said, no, we were a fellowship of people,
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brothers, and we put our hand on the Bible, and we did good things for people, and we love
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God, we love our country, and we love our family.
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So I think in his mind, he's not worshiping a demon.
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Now, over time, things go from, you know, fringe and odd or eccentric, and then they get
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So today, I don't know, I don't know what the heck they worship, but if they're not
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worshiping the true God, then I would say you're, you are deeply in trouble, and you're
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Yeah, I think this is a good way to put it, because I legitimately have close friends who
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are masons, and they're, you know, they're great guys often, and probably, you pick
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your average mason over your average, it's like, person on the street in America today.
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Probably they take morality more seriously, and you know, so there's a lot to recommend
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One of the reasons that the church has had a tough history with Freemasonry is because
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it's just kind of a substitute, it's a new religion, you know, it's a different religion.
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So it's got its own funeral rites, it's got its own initiation rites, it's got its own
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moral views, and it's got its own views of God and the nature of God.
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And so, to your point, you know, if you're a Christian, I would recommend that you get
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Yeah, yeah, that's basically my point, is that, you know, just in general, any time you
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are engaging in religious rituals or religious belief that is outside the scope of Christianity,
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you're putting yourself in a little bit of danger, would be my end.
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No, I think I, no, you don't get the point for that.
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Right, sorry, I wanted to be really more gracious about that.
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And Ben Davies, I want to thank you for putting all that whiskey into Kirk's coffee.
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