The Michael Knowles Show - Atheists, Covid, and Aliens： YES or No ｜ Kirk Cameron

00:00:00.000 Kamala Harris is black. 0.99

00:00:04.560 That's going to get me in the trouble. 0.76

00:00:06.360 I keep getting conflicting reports.

00:00:08.960 You know?

00:00:10.200 What time is it?

00:00:11.680 What day is it?

00:00:26.480 Welcome to another exciting episode of Yes or No.

00:00:30.720 In this episode, I am at a great disadvantage for a number of reasons.

00:00:35.760 I'm up against a beloved cultural figure,

00:00:40.520 a man who has significant advantage on me in terms of wisdom

00:00:45.700 because he's now a grandfather,

00:00:47.380 and a man who's not even drinking.

00:00:50.680 So I might be sloshed and he might totally win the game.

00:00:53.620 That would be, of course, the great Kirk Cameron.

00:00:56.020 Kirk, thank you for coming on the show.

00:00:57.520 My pleasure.

00:00:58.580 It's an honor to be here.

00:01:00.580 Sober.

00:01:01.340 So you have this book, Born to be Brave, out now,

00:01:05.260 and everyone should get it immediately.

00:01:07.700 I have, I haven't even written another book in like four years.

00:01:10.780 All I have is a board game or a little card game,

00:01:13.240 a yes or no game,

00:01:13.820 with the Yes or No Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Expansion Pack.

00:01:19.000 And I fear, Kirk, not only are you brave, but you are wise,

00:01:23.160 and you have the wisdom that comes with maturity.

00:01:25.980 I will pull a card, I will pull a card, I will read the prompt, you will move my martini glass based on how you think I would answer the question.

00:01:34.580 And we'll flip it, I will move your coffee cup based on how I think you would answer the question.

00:01:39.240 That's how it's played.

00:01:39.840 Okay.

00:01:41.160 Ready?

00:01:41.640 Got it.

00:01:44.460 Feminism is, this is one of my favorite quotes in the history of politics. 0.95

00:01:48.980 From the great Pat Robertson, I believe.

00:01:50.560 Feminism is a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, 1.00

00:01:56.700 kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. 1.00

00:02:03.420 It's an actual quote from Pat Robertson. 1.00

00:02:07.380 And what do I think you're going to say about that?

00:02:09.960 Wow.

00:02:14.300 I'm not 100%, I'm sorry, this is the first time playing the game.

00:02:17.200 If I don't think you agree 100% with the quote, but say 90% of the quote,

00:02:22.480 do I go with 90% yes, or it's got to be all or nothing?

00:02:26.440 No, it could be.

00:02:27.680 If a reasonable person might assent, you know, no one agrees with everyone on every single thing most of the time.

00:02:33.640 So if there's, say, 90%, probably that would be an agreement.

00:02:36.840 Okay, okay.

00:02:40.480 Well, Kirk, it was an easy one, in fact, because I do agree 100% with Pat Robertson.

00:02:47.200 That's it.

00:02:47.400 Okay.

00:02:47.840 I don't, which part did you think I was skeptical?

00:02:50.200 I turned them into lesbians. 1.00

00:02:52.000 There may be some who still want to sleep with men. 1.00

00:02:55.800 But.

00:02:56.260 That's a fair point.

00:02:56.860 Everything else from, you know, aborting children to.

00:03:02.940 The occult.

00:03:03.380 Ultimately.

00:03:04.300 Socialism.

00:03:04.740 An attack on the family structure and all that kind of stuff.

00:03:07.580 These things are critical, and we're seeing the fallout of that today, and you talk about it all the time.

00:03:12.600 So that wasn't too.

00:03:13.940 You're right.

00:03:14.460 It was a simple one.

00:03:15.080 And even, you raise a good objection on the lesbian part, because some of them are not lesbians. 0.99

00:03:19.820 But also because the left has gone so far in the sexual revolution ideology, they now kind of deny that lesbians exist.

00:03:27.280 Because a lesbian is a woman who is attracted to other women. 1.00

00:03:31.420 But now the left denies that women even exist as a category.

00:03:34.640 So they've almost abolished lesbians. 1.00

00:03:37.300 The one that people always clutch their pearls on is the witchcraft thing. 0.99

00:03:41.280 But, you know, in modern life, the New Age occult pseudo-religion is extraordinarily prevalent.

00:03:49.820 I mean, people all the time with their little crystals and their kind of vibes and their woo-woo reiki stuff, that is just, in a prior age, would have been referred to as witchcraft.

00:03:59.620 Yeah, that's right.

00:04:00.780 But it's kind of ubiquitous.

00:04:01.920 You see it everywhere.

00:04:02.940 People are into that.

00:04:03.780 So I'm a spiritual person.

00:04:05.100 You know, I'm not a religious person, but I'm a spiritual person.

00:04:06.800 It usually means they've got some sort of a crystal or something.

00:04:10.360 Yes, I have observed that, you know, religion is a habit of virtue that inclines the will to give to God the service he deserves.

00:04:17.200 That's like a Thomistic, basic definition of religion.

00:04:20.160 And so when someone says, I'm spiritual but not religious, it means that they're spirits, but they don't give to God what he deserves, which is the definition of a demon, actually.

00:04:31.940 It's because a demon is not corporeal.

00:04:33.400 A demon is purely spirit.

00:04:34.520 But a demon rejects God, won't give him what he deserves.

00:04:37.700 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:04:39.000 They don't mean to say that, but they kind of are saying.

00:04:41.480 But by definition, they're sort of saying the same thing.

00:04:43.460 And I'm thinking of the scriptures that say that you believe in God good.

00:04:48.620 Even the demons believe in God, though, and tremble.

00:04:51.840 Right, right.

00:04:52.920 And so there you have it.

00:04:55.140 Right.

00:04:55.480 Okay, you're up. 0.95

00:04:56.120 Kamala Harris is black. 0.98

00:05:08.440 That's going to get me into trouble. 0.98

00:05:11.960 Now, you're going to decide what...

00:05:15.380 How you think. 0.88

00:05:16.180 Kamala Harris is black. 0.94

00:05:17.600 Kamala Harris is black. 0.98

00:05:18.400 That's it. 0.91

00:05:19.040 That's the statement.

00:05:19.960 Okay, wait.

00:05:20.800 I keep getting conflicting reports.

00:05:25.240 You know?

00:05:26.600 What time is it?

00:05:27.800 What day is it?

00:05:29.020 All right, I'm going to go with what I think.

00:05:32.640 Okay, now hold it.

00:05:33.160 Don't tell me.

00:05:33.660 No, I'm not going to tell you.

00:05:34.360 Okay.

00:05:35.080 This is just now...

00:05:36.240 So you've got your answer in your head.

00:05:37.480 Yes, I've got my answer.

00:05:44.620 Correct. 0.95

00:05:45.260 I would answer that yes, she is black. 0.99

00:05:47.620 Yeah. 0.65

00:05:48.120 I agree, basically.

00:05:49.580 Yeah.

00:05:49.980 There are all these questions that have been raised at the level of the campaign and by

00:05:54.360 people in the media that she's not black, her mother was Indian, but it seemed to me

00:05:58.800 well-established her father was at least somewhat black.

00:06:02.440 It was an Afro-Caribbean guy's professor at Stanford, but then there are all these questions.

00:06:06.820 Well, you know what convinced me was when I heard her speaking at that rally, and then

00:06:11.340 the accent came out, and it was like, you know, you could...

00:06:14.180 It just...

00:06:15.300 But she also, by that logic, might be Hispanic, because when she spoke at that other rally,

00:06:21.360 she started doing like a Chiquita banana impression, and she was like, hello, mami, and so I don't...

00:06:26.660 But I don't think she's Hispanic. 0.91

00:06:28.280 She's never done an Indian impression.

00:06:30.800 No, not that I remember.

00:06:32.160 She hasn't campaigned in, I don't know, the Lower East Side or something.

00:06:35.100 She could get a lot of votes there.

00:06:36.680 Okay.

00:06:37.020 This is a fun game.

00:06:37.740 I like this game.

00:06:38.480 I got that.

00:06:38.900 This is great.

00:06:39.400 But neither one of us have had anything to drink.

00:06:41.760 You make a good point.

00:06:42.880 Chin-chin. 0.83

00:06:44.220 We can celebrate that we both got an Indian.

00:06:45.600 Because we can drink.

00:06:46.580 That's right.

00:06:46.920 We don't have to, but we get to.

00:06:48.220 Mm-hmm.

00:06:50.120 Okay.

00:06:51.820 Now, how do you prepare your martinis?

00:06:54.020 I'm just curious.

00:06:54.600 Eric Metaxas likes them very dirty. 0.97

00:06:56.320 He does. 0.87

00:06:56.620 I don't...

00:06:57.140 I like a touch of...

00:06:58.140 Now, Eric Metaxas, I think, basically opens up a salt shaker and just pours it all in

00:07:02.500 there.

00:07:02.820 He does.

00:07:03.820 You know what?

00:07:04.840 He actually...

00:07:05.340 He asks the waiter to just put the brine from the olive can into the...

00:07:11.700 Yeah.

00:07:12.200 I like it.

00:07:13.160 You can see it's a little cleaner.

00:07:14.900 I'm a little nervous about cardiovascular problems.

00:07:17.340 I don't need that.

00:07:17.840 But I do blue cheese olive gin, touch.

00:07:20.220 You look at a glass of vermouth from across the room, that's probably sufficient.

00:07:24.220 That's enough.

00:07:24.660 Yeah.

00:07:25.100 That's enough.

00:07:25.840 And although the problem is, we filmed this show, Kirk.

00:07:27.960 It's not eight o'clock here at night.

00:07:30.100 This is a little earlier in the day.

00:07:32.500 So my producers make me have a martini.

00:07:34.920 Then the rest of my day is shot.

00:07:37.020 Well, that's the only reason I agreed to do the show and play the game against you, was

00:07:40.320 knowing that I would have a little stimulant in my iced coffee, and you would have a bit

00:07:44.680 of a depressant.

00:07:45.200 Yeah, I know.

00:07:45.620 Does anyone have zin that I can just start snorting them or something? 1.00

00:07:48.440 Okay.

00:07:49.020 I see technically actors who kiss other actors who are not their spouses on camera commit

00:07:57.180 adultery.

00:07:59.460 So you're answering for me.

00:08:01.260 And this is being read like in the first person.

00:08:03.980 Yes.

00:08:04.480 So this is what I think.

00:08:05.280 Or said in the first person.

00:08:05.480 Yes.

00:08:05.800 Technically actors who kiss other actors who are not their spouses on camera commit adultery.

00:08:10.760 Oh, I have to guess what you're going to think.

00:08:12.200 Yes.

00:08:12.440 Oh.

00:08:13.100 Oh.

00:08:13.320 Oh.

00:08:18.400 Your producers are good.

00:08:21.920 They're making this difficult.

00:08:23.860 Had you asked me three, four years ago, I would have said no.

00:08:33.620 Today, I am totally Cameron Pilled on this question.

00:08:38.760 I actually believe, you know, I've had a little bit of an acting career, somewhat less successful

00:08:45.560 than your acting career, but I've played all sorts of roles and I always thought, oh, it's

00:08:49.960 you're living truthfully in imaginary circumstances and it's no big deal.

00:08:52.680 But no, actually, you're a compositive body and soul.

00:08:57.740 The things you do actually do have moral import.

00:09:02.100 And if you're a good actor, then you really are given over to the passions of the role and

00:09:08.080 the circumstance.

00:09:08.820 And so it's kind of suspect.

00:09:12.060 That certainly is what you attempt to do.

00:09:14.080 And I would consider myself probably, I don't know, probably below mediocre as an actor.

00:09:21.640 I don't think that's fair.

00:09:22.900 I don't think that's fair.

00:09:23.160 Watch the Left Behind movie.

00:09:25.360 But when I have done well, it was because of an acting coach who taught me how to cry on

00:09:32.700 the spot.

00:09:33.400 And the way to do that was very interesting.

00:09:35.760 And it was very, you reach down very deep into your emotions.

00:09:39.980 And you try to honestly believe what you're doing.

00:09:45.080 If you're faking it, you can maybe pull that off once.

00:09:47.980 I thought of my grandma who passed away.

00:09:49.800 And then you're done with your close up.

00:09:52.180 But now you've got a two shot and you've got the other actor to give something to.

00:09:57.200 And so you've really got to go there.

00:09:59.220 And so to your point, you are one composite person and you really are going there.

00:10:07.580 And one easy way is to just look to your spouse or your children and ask them what they think

00:10:12.160 of you making out or sleeping with this person.

00:10:15.460 And if they're okay, you know, just throwing it into the box.

00:10:19.700 Well, let's just make believe.

00:10:21.420 There's just, there's something, there's something that it's part of you.

00:10:26.660 Yes.

00:10:26.980 It's something that you really did.

00:10:28.220 Because you famously will not do this stuff on camera.

00:10:31.320 You know, you're a very famous actor.

00:10:32.760 You say, sorry, I'm not doing this.

00:10:34.060 And I remember when I read or heard that that was your stance, I remember thinking,

00:10:39.200 oh, but, you know, come on.

00:10:41.040 Isn't that a little scrupulous or something?

00:10:42.820 But no.

00:10:44.340 I mean, anyone who's ever done a play in high school, if you take acting seriously and you 0.70

00:10:48.120 actually want to do a good job, you know, even if your co-star is like an ugly lady that 0.93

00:10:52.780 you're not really attracted to, if you want to convincingly play someone who's in love with

00:10:58.200 that person, you have to try to cultivate feelings of love.

00:11:01.980 And so if you're, if you're making out with somebody, you know, that's, your lips have

00:11:07.240 really touched that person.

00:11:08.240 They really have.

00:11:09.020 And you've even given way in your desire and in your spirit to another person.

00:11:13.220 I totally agree.

00:11:14.060 Yeah.

00:11:14.420 Yeah.

00:11:14.660 It's interesting.

00:11:15.820 Not even topics that I ever thought that I would think deeply about or would affect me

00:11:20.280 personally, but then you find yourself in these situations.

00:11:22.840 And that's where I think it's good because that's where you form your convictions.

00:11:28.420 Yeah.

00:11:28.600 And then those convictions carry over into other areas of your life.

00:11:31.660 Your children know these things.

00:11:33.820 And without you having to even teach them per se, they say, dad, I saw how you were when

00:11:40.560 I was growing up.

00:11:41.540 I saw how you honored mom, or I saw the things that you did that other people made fun of

00:11:46.280 you for.

00:11:46.900 And I just want you to know today that helps me in the decisions I'm making.

00:11:50.640 Right.

00:11:50.940 Which is such a win.

00:11:52.240 Yeah.

00:11:52.420 Yeah.

00:11:52.800 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:53.920 Okay.

00:11:54.360 You're up.

00:11:54.660 It's more of a risk to send your teenager to public school than it would be to buy them

00:12:02.060 a motorcycle.

00:12:03.480 I'm answering for you before maybe you've even answered for yourself.

00:12:06.340 I say you say yes, 100%.

00:12:08.060 100%.

00:12:09.000 It's so obvious.

00:12:09.800 Oh my goodness.

00:12:10.640 Did you see the CDC study?

00:12:11.920 This came out a day or two ago.

00:12:15.000 One in 18.

00:12:17.200 One in 30 American high school students today identifies as transgender.

00:12:22.600 One in 18 is gender questioning.

00:12:25.200 One in 18 American high school kids doesn't know if he's a boy or a girl.

00:12:29.820 And then that goes along with all sorts of anxiety, depression, suicide, very high increased

00:12:34.680 risk of suicidality.

00:12:36.580 To subject your kid to that.

00:12:37.860 I mean, you are, it's not, it's not 17 out of 18 chance, but one in 18 chance, you are

00:12:43.120 really rolling the dice with your kid's wife. 0.71

00:12:46.740 Yes, absolutely.

00:12:48.080 And this is something that I've been leaning into a lot after I tried to read a children's

00:12:54.900 book of virtue at a public library.

00:12:57.860 And I thought I would go to the most diverse, the most inclusive libraries there were in

00:13:03.720 the country.

00:13:04.740 And I identified them by those who have had drag queen story hours.

00:13:08.820 Men dressed in skirts and high heels and fishnet stockings reading to children.

00:13:12.740 Surely they'd want my perspective in their diverse environment.

00:13:16.200 And they rejected me and said that they were inclusive and therefore I couldn't participate.

00:13:22.920 They had to exclude you.

00:13:23.740 That's right.

00:13:24.140 Or that I wasn't the right color of skin.

00:13:26.940 They were looking for authors who were of color.

00:13:30.840 And you're a white man.

00:13:31.620 And I'm a white man.

00:13:32.500 Okay.

00:13:32.860 Yeah.

00:13:33.440 So, you know, by the way, I was really nervous when I saw you at the Am I Racist premiere.

00:13:41.200 I was nervous just not because of you, but just because I was worried that I was going

00:13:45.760 to discover that I was actually racist.

00:13:47.420 I might have been.

00:13:48.400 Right.

00:13:48.580 Because I'm white.

00:13:49.260 I'm straight.

00:13:49.920 I'm conservative.

00:13:50.800 I'm Christian.

00:13:51.640 You're full of privilege.

00:13:52.300 I'm all of these things.

00:13:53.320 Yeah.

00:13:53.420 And I've got six children.

00:13:56.860 Four of them are adopted.

00:13:58.120 Three of them are half white. 0.96

00:14:00.660 So I might have three children who are half racist. 0.98

00:14:03.500 That would be terrible. 0.93

00:14:04.760 Against the other half.

00:14:05.380 I was against their other halves.

00:14:07.080 Yes.

00:14:07.720 I was very nervous.

00:14:10.540 But this idea of public schools being more dangerous than giving your kid a motorcycle,

00:14:17.140 I think it's 100% true.

00:14:19.360 Because at the end of the day, public schools have become so unsafe for children, in my opinion.

00:14:25.260 My view is that they're too religious.

00:14:28.740 Public schools are far too religious for my preferences.

00:14:32.300 And they're so dogmatic.

00:14:34.240 And the value of the sacrifice that they demand from you to their priests and their elders is just not even, we can't even discuss it.

00:14:44.640 And I think that they've created their own worship called secular humanism, which has become the church of secular culture.

00:14:55.820 And it's the worship of corporate man or human beings.

00:15:00.280 And they have their own twisted Ten Commandments.

00:15:03.140 I was thinking about this the other day.

00:15:04.280 Now, I'm not talking about people who are genuinely struggling with gender dysphoria.

00:15:10.020 I'm not talking about people who have experienced same-sex attraction since the time they were three years old.

00:15:15.400 Well, 13 years old.

00:15:16.520 But I'm saying this was something that they don't perceive to be a choice.

00:15:19.380 So I want to be compassionate and sympathetic and charitable.

00:15:25.680 And I want to help.

00:15:26.320 I want to love.

00:15:26.880 I want to be kind.

00:15:27.300 But these twisted Ten Commandments, I see them.

00:15:32.400 It's L-G-B-T-Q-I-A-D-E-I. 1.00

00:15:36.560 And if you don't fall in line with that dogma, that is grounds for banishment from their society.

00:15:40.920 Yes.

00:15:41.160 You will be canceled.

00:15:42.100 You will be shut down.

00:15:42.920 And that kind of mafia mentality that is dogmatically pushed on children in public schools is way too religious for me.

00:15:50.820 And the sacrifice, the hearts and minds and futures of your children.

00:15:54.280 It's a kind of conversion therapy.

00:15:56.020 Ironically, they say they hate conversion therapy, but it's a conversion therapy to their false religion. 0.79

00:16:01.560 I agree.

00:16:02.620 Well, well, well, well, well chosen.

00:16:05.720 George Washington will be the next victim of historical cancel culture. 0.79

00:16:11.800 I do have a question for your producer.

00:16:14.820 Does he have to be the next victim or just a next victim?

00:16:19.000 Do I think he's the next victim or a next victim?

00:16:21.640 This says the next victim.

00:16:22.960 The next victim.

00:16:23.520 That's an important read.

00:16:25.920 Oh.

00:16:29.580 Very good question to ask.

00:16:31.620 Okay, I have my answer.

00:16:36.420 Okay, so you got to move my...

00:16:37.440 Oh.

00:16:39.340 He certainly will be a next victim.

00:16:42.960 I don't think he'll be the next victim because he's harder to get.

00:16:46.360 So I think they'll go after...

00:16:47.640 If they haven't already, I think they'll go after Jefferson first.

00:16:50.380 They've already done Columbus pretty effectively.

00:16:52.420 I think they'll go after Jefferson first.

00:16:53.900 They've tried to do Jackson.

00:16:55.280 They'll succeed with Jackson when they take him off the 20.

00:16:57.480 I think they'll go after...

00:16:59.800 I don't know.

00:17:01.760 Probably not Ben Franklin, though maybe.

00:17:03.520 He got a little handsy with the gals in France, according to certain reports.

00:17:06.620 Maybe he'll be a Me Too victim.

00:17:08.460 But Washington, he was so virtuous in so many ways.

00:17:11.960 They'll get him, for sure.

00:17:13.360 They hate him.

00:17:14.300 But I think he'll be two or three down the line.

00:17:17.120 Okay.

00:17:18.060 All right.

00:17:18.640 But I'm glad...

00:17:19.380 You know, when you asked that question, I feared you were going to say,

00:17:23.360 no, he'll be a next victim and I'll be a next victim.

00:17:25.760 But I'll get at least one point.

00:17:26.600 Yeah.

00:17:26.860 Well, with everything that's going on in the country right now,

00:17:29.200 and as they're continuing to dismantle people's understanding of history and the founding

00:17:34.440 and the need for the Constitution and the value of the Constitution,

00:17:37.640 and then we can, you know, with all of the racism stuff that's going on,

00:17:41.820 I figured Washington is definitely on their hit list.

00:17:44.420 It is.

00:17:44.780 And he's a big scalp, too, is the thing, because he's the father of the country.

00:17:48.080 That's right.

00:17:48.600 And, you know, I anticipated this.

00:17:50.960 Yes.

00:17:51.340 Not this question, but this issue.

00:17:52.580 And so that's why I've made sure that I've prepared myself with my card here.

00:17:59.920 And look, lo and behold, who is on the front of this card.

00:18:03.660 This is your white privilege card.

00:18:05.100 Yes.

00:18:05.460 And that's George Washington right there.

00:18:07.940 Yes.

00:18:08.360 So it says you've been a member, Kirk Cameron right there, member since birth.

00:18:13.900 Makes sense.

00:18:14.800 I'll cover up your card number here.

00:18:17.300 I'll take note of it for myself, but then I'll cover it up here.

00:18:19.700 White privilege card.

00:18:20.800 This is it.

00:18:21.960 The pinnacle of all humanity.

00:18:23.800 You have arrived.

00:18:24.600 You hold in your hands the key to happiness, success, infinite wisdom, and power.

00:18:30.420 You can do anything.

00:18:32.200 Wow. 0.99

00:18:33.100 Is that not the most ridiculous idea you've ever heard in your life? 1.00

00:18:36.780 Where do I get my white privilege card? 0.99

00:18:38.340 And look at, you see, this has got some substance to it.

00:18:42.240 So this was made by a guy, Joel Patrick, who I met.

00:18:45.240 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:45.540 I know Joel.

00:18:46.020 And he was a premier.

00:18:46.640 And the idea that the left has bestowed upon you and upon me and George Washington such

00:18:55.660 privilege, such power, such wisdom, such absolute advantage.

00:18:59.720 The man didn't even have teeth.

00:19:01.160 That's right.

00:19:01.660 He didn't even have working teeth.

00:19:02.680 That's right. 0.91

00:19:03.740 And as obnoxious and as ludicrous as this whole concept is, that's where they want to go. 0.92

00:19:12.460 Yeah. 0.98

00:19:12.740 Is to paint guys like you and me as these monsters.

00:19:16.800 And certainly, George Washington has got to be up there in their top 10 list.

00:19:20.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:20.780 They'll go after Frederick Douglass soon enough.

00:19:22.960 They'll go after Clarence Thomas.

00:19:25.040 They already sort of did.

00:19:25.780 So there are a lot of white privilege cards to go around, even to apparently non-white people.

00:19:30.800 Even non-white people.

00:19:31.620 That's right.

00:19:32.340 That's right.

00:19:32.600 Now you're up.

00:19:34.520 Who want one of those cards?

00:19:38.660 I love this question.

00:19:39.900 Nicholas Cage is the best Buck Williams of the left-behind movies.

00:19:44.500 Wow.

00:19:45.220 Oof.

00:19:46.060 Hmm.

00:19:46.580 Wow.

00:19:48.260 I have my answer.

00:19:51.100 Okay.

00:19:52.620 Let's see.

00:19:53.860 You're not going to hurt my feelings.

00:19:55.240 No.

00:19:55.520 Well, I'm just answering for you.

00:19:56.920 I'm trying to, you know, one time.

00:19:57.760 Answer according to the rules.

00:19:58.460 One time Roger.

00:19:59.700 Not as though our friendship depends on this.

00:20:02.400 Sir Roger Moore.

00:20:03.520 Sir Roger Moore once was asked who the best James Bond was.

00:20:06.360 And he said George Lazenby.

00:20:07.360 So I think your answer is Nicolas Cage.

00:20:11.840 No.

00:20:12.000 You would say, no, he was not.

00:20:16.860 The best was Greg Perrault.

00:20:21.180 No.

00:20:21.860 I, did I get it right?

00:20:23.800 You think Nicolas Cage was the best one?

00:20:25.920 No, you don't.

00:20:26.580 I think that, you know what?

00:20:28.700 I, I.

00:20:31.240 Was there a third?

00:20:33.720 Was there a third?

00:20:34.640 Because I would say I'm definitely not the best.

00:20:38.020 But.

00:20:38.520 You're definitely better than Greg, for sure.

00:20:40.320 All right.

00:20:40.740 Without question.

00:20:41.600 All right.

00:20:42.280 All right.

00:20:42.900 Really?

00:20:43.500 You said.

00:20:44.040 My answer was yes.

00:20:45.320 Wow.

00:20:45.880 My answer, my answer was yes.

00:20:47.080 Why?

00:20:47.440 Why do you think so?

00:20:48.120 It takes a lot for an actor to say this other guy.

00:20:51.020 I don't consider myself to be like a highly skilled actor.

00:20:54.560 You know, I got into acting when I was four, nine years old.

00:20:57.020 I was 14 and I played this wisecracking teenage kid.

00:21:00.400 A hormone with feet, as they willed me.

00:21:03.340 And I was basically just playing myself.

00:21:05.700 And while I love acting, I don't miss it when I'm not acting.

00:21:09.240 I'm not pining for an Academy Award winning role.

00:21:11.940 And, you know, guys like Nick Cage, they've been, they've been acting their whole life.

00:21:14.860 And, and, you know.

00:21:15.880 He's a Coppola. 0.97

00:21:16.700 Yeah.

00:21:17.260 Yeah.

00:21:17.840 And I always thought it'd be great to have some kind of a, of an, I don't know, Saturday

00:21:22.040 Night Live skit or something.

00:21:23.160 Maybe we could do it on your show where like, like two Buck Williams walk into a bar.

00:21:28.280 And like, I walk up to Nick Cage, who's just like, he's sitting there with the martini.

00:21:32.280 You know, he's just, he does something.

00:21:34.480 He's, you know, he's, he's drinking his blues away.

00:21:37.300 And I walk in and I'm like, what's the deal?

00:21:39.760 What's the deal?

00:21:40.540 You took over for me.

00:21:41.460 They didn't even call me to, to, to, to, to do the reprisal of Left Behind.

00:21:45.080 And you don't even believe this stuff.

00:21:46.460 At least I'm a Christian.

00:21:49.200 I don't know.

00:21:50.040 I don't know where to take the script from there, but I thought it'd be a fun scene.

00:21:52.140 It's a good, it's a good opening.

00:21:53.340 And he would, he would say he's living truthfully in imaginary circumstances.

00:21:55.640 You know, that, that's his, he's living truthfully in unwittingly true circumstances, perhaps.

00:22:01.000 Noah's flood occurred before the Great Pyramids of Egypt were built.

00:22:06.100 Noah's flood occurred before the Great Pyramids.

00:22:10.780 So this is presuming that I believe in a literal flood.

00:22:16.460 Which, as far as the premise of this goes, I will not confirm or deny until you make your answer.

00:22:21.060 And then, that it occurred before the Great Pyramids of Egypt were built.

00:22:24.920 So, according to accepted archaeology, we would say probably that the pyramids were built after the Noah's flood.

00:22:46.260 However, I sort of believe that, now we're getting into real kind of out there stuff.

00:22:54.640 I sort of think the pyramids were built with the help of demons when the earth was extremely rotten.

00:23:00.820 And maybe as one of the lead ups to the Great Flood.

00:23:04.320 And so, I kind of believe that the pyramids could be significantly older than is commonly accepted.

00:23:10.520 Though there is this one strange fact, if, depending on whether they were built at the accepted time or earlier,

00:23:16.420 Cleopatra lived closer in history to the building of the Bass Pro Shop pyramid than she did to the Great Pyramids of Egypt.

00:23:22.660 Yeah.

00:23:23.700 However, because I'm somewhat agnostic on the question, but I lean a little bit more toward the pyramids might be older.

00:23:33.540 I guess I basically accept your point.

00:23:37.140 Yeah.

00:23:37.220 I do not score an extra point on there.

00:23:40.180 Okay, good.

00:23:41.160 Well, clearly, I need to read up on this particular topic because I'm not sure.

00:23:44.920 I think I remember, I think it was Ben Carson, wasn't it Ben Carson, who posited that the pyramids were built to store the grain under the leadership of Joseph in Egypt because of the Great Famine that came upon Egypt.

00:24:00.120 Interesting.

00:24:00.260 And I thought that was very interesting.

00:24:01.540 And I thought, hmm.

00:24:02.680 Of course, he was mocked for saying that.

00:24:05.040 But I just thought it was an interesting concept.

00:24:06.120 But I didn't check in the dating, the dating of-

00:24:09.500 Well, that, I suppose that would justify, it was, they were out of the word.

00:24:14.460 Yeah.

00:24:14.800 And so, because the flood, the flood would have to be very, very old, like significantly older than the consensus of when the pyramids were built.

00:24:23.640 And that's a pretty good, okay, well, you just lost a point for yourself because that persuaded me.

00:24:26.820 Sorry, Kirk.

00:24:27.300 Okay.

00:24:27.500 Oh, you get to change?

00:24:28.800 Yeah.

00:24:28.980 Wait a minute.

00:24:29.640 Do I get to change, Ben?

00:24:30.620 Do I?

00:24:31.620 What do you mean I can't change?

00:24:32.240 He just persuaded me.

00:24:33.920 No, no, no.

00:24:34.460 He just, Kirk just totally convinced me.

00:24:36.000 But this is competition.

00:24:37.500 Yeah.

00:24:38.020 Well, if I were competing against someone, I wouldn't try to persuade him to take a point.

00:24:41.480 Do I get the point, Ben?

00:24:42.500 I thought the point was marked.

00:24:43.960 Ben says I don't get the point.

00:24:44.880 And now we're just having a friendly conversation.

00:24:45.480 Thank you, Ben.

00:24:46.100 Okay.

00:24:46.480 Yeah.

00:24:46.800 Wow.

00:24:47.640 Huh.

00:24:48.180 I still, that was a persuasive argument.

00:24:50.060 The media's war on masculinity is really an attack on biblical manhood.

00:24:58.000 I'll repeat the question.

00:24:59.360 The media's war on masculinity is really an attack on biblical manhood.

00:25:09.540 100%.

00:25:09.940 For sure, right?

00:25:10.820 Yeah.

00:25:10.880 For sure.

00:25:11.400 100%.

00:25:11.800 My only question was, is it also an attack on sort of natural, not supernatural manhood,

00:25:16.980 but not necessarily biblical or Christian manhood, but even kind of natural, like pagan manhood?

00:25:22.680 There's no difference, but.

00:25:24.240 Well, except, think about this.

00:25:25.960 I agree that the supernatural is, you know, is sort of playing upon the natural.

00:25:30.860 So it's not that they're necessarily in contradiction.

00:25:33.020 But there is a kind of, you know, outside of a biblical worldview, men could, you know,

00:25:39.500 be knuckle-dragging troglodytes with a whole harem who are just pillaging and burning 0.99

00:25:44.140 the world, have no sense of justice or don't care for justice. 0.98

00:25:47.400 And the left actually kind of supports that masculinity, right?

00:25:51.300 I mean, they support these nasty men who just pursue their self-interest.

00:25:56.740 I mean, many of them are their own politicians. 0.78

00:25:58.420 So, but I guess then in that way, they, specifically their attacks on manliness are an attack on

00:26:06.440 the Christian understanding of a man.

00:26:08.520 The sense that I get is, is, is, is that much of the media wants to depict men as defective

00:26:16.840 women. 0.81

00:26:17.700 Yeah.

00:26:18.940 Um, you know, you're just, you know, we can just fix a few things and then you can be more

00:26:23.400 like the girls. 0.79

00:26:23.840 And I think that is clearly because, um, there, there is inherent value to being masculine.

00:26:32.600 Uh, that is very scary to the left.

00:26:37.160 And, uh, when you have men who are strong and bold and courageous, who are compassionate

00:26:43.360 and stand for the truth, not fighting to be, uh, simply gangsters who are looking to be

00:26:50.340 bad-asses, but men who so love their wives, children, and their God and their family and

00:26:56.460 their future that they're willing to defend it with their own lives.

00:27:00.140 That's something that stands in the way of consolidating power in the government and advancing

00:27:07.020 Marxism or any other kind of, of, uh, uh, you know, ideology that would, uh, that would

00:27:14.560 put these people in power.

00:27:15.940 So I think that's where decentralization of power is the biblical model.

00:27:21.820 And that model, uh, is dependent upon families and families, uh, minus, uh, a biblical concept

00:27:32.100 of manhood and fatherhood and masculinity, uh, is just devastating.

00:27:37.100 Right.

00:27:37.520 And God bless all the single moms out there and God bless those who are trying to do it. 1.00

00:27:41.540 But fatherlessness is killing so many people in our country.

00:27:45.860 And, and I think that we need to read, recapture a right biblical natural design of masculinity.

00:27:55.180 I, I, I love what Jordan Peterson said.

00:27:57.560 He said, uh, I'm paraphrasing, but if, if you, if you, if you think strong men are dangerous,

00:28:04.360 uh, get ready for what weak men.

00:28:08.220 You're right.

00:28:08.660 Right.

00:28:09.480 Sort of how I feel about nationalism.

00:28:11.080 The libs attack Christian nationalism.

00:28:13.440 You think Christian nationalism is bad.

00:28:15.080 Wait till you hear about unchristian nationalism is a lot worse, man.

00:28:19.000 Yeah.

00:28:19.680 Yeah.

00:28:20.040 And that's so interesting.

00:28:21.580 And I, I, I've tried to educate myself about all these things, uh, over the last couple

00:28:26.080 of years.

00:28:27.060 Um, and this, you know, how do you respond to, you know, toxic masculinity arguments?

00:28:32.440 How do you respond to Christian nationalism arguments?

00:28:35.060 And, um, you know, women, I believe want good, masculine, strong men, providers, protectors.

00:28:45.320 Children need them.

00:28:46.920 And when it comes to Christian nationalism, you know, we used to, I think we used to correct 1.00

00:28:51.100 me if I'm wrong, but I, I think that used to be just called Christian patriotism.

00:28:54.160 We love God.

00:28:55.000 We love our country.

00:28:55.860 Christian country.

00:28:56.720 Like my, yeah, my grandpa, he fought in world war two as a Navy corpsman together with

00:29:01.600 the Marines on Iwo Jima.

00:29:03.580 So he was a medic that pulled the guys back on the Island of Iwo Jima.

00:29:06.840 And he would have been called a Christian nationalist.

00:29:12.340 Um, but you know who really hates nationalists and who came up with the term?

00:29:16.820 Globalists.

00:29:17.180 Globalists really hate it. 0.66

00:29:18.280 Globalists by definition hate nationalists because they want there to be just one great

00:29:23.220 big nation.

00:29:24.740 Yeah.

00:29:24.920 So they're, they're the biggest capitalists of all.

00:29:26.820 They're the biggest, um, nationalists of all.

00:29:30.060 They just want to be the only one.

00:29:31.880 Yeah.

00:29:32.120 Yeah.

00:29:32.440 And then I like a little sort of atheist globalism.

00:29:34.820 I don't know.

00:29:35.140 I kind of prefer a more of a Christian nation.

00:29:36.900 It's probably a little bit better, you know?

00:29:37.980 Yeah.

00:29:38.400 Where the power is actually distributed to families.

00:29:42.160 Yeah.

00:29:42.660 Yeah.

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00:31:08.420 Method acting is psychologically dangerous.

00:31:12.640 To clarify our terms here, we're talking about the school of acting, popularized by Brando

00:31:18.340 and his ilk, comes from Russia, very psychological. 0.71

00:31:23.060 You know, some proponents of it are Stanislavski, obviously, Strasburg, Uda Hagen, Meisner, Stella

00:31:31.000 Adler.

00:31:31.440 That school in the 20th century where, you know, you're really, I don't know, you're really

00:31:35.760 in your own head.

00:31:36.440 And it is psychologically dangerous.

00:31:43.780 You're answering for me.

00:31:45.080 Oh, I'm answering for you.

00:31:45.960 Sorry, I was on the other side of the game.

00:31:49.680 What's in this coffee?

00:31:50.620 I know.

00:31:51.060 I think Ben might have put a little Tennessee whiskey in there for me.

00:32:00.540 For sure.

00:32:01.720 For sure.

00:32:02.540 It seems to me, I don't know, I'm sure you've met, well, you've run in actually kind of circles

00:32:06.900 with nice actors, but I'm sure you've met a lot of crazy ones too.

00:32:10.480 The vast majority, even of really good people I like in show business, vast majority of them, 0.98

00:32:17.780 especially who engage in modern acting techniques, are completely insane, completely nuts. 0.75

00:32:26.020 And they sort of have to be because, I had an acting teacher once, a great acting teacher

00:32:31.280 who was assistant for Meisner back in the 50s, was very much involved in this kind of acting. 0.97

00:32:34.960 And he said, you know, to be an actor, you have to be a gullible fool because you have to 0.97

00:32:37.780 believe the circumstances of the movie or whatever. 0.97

00:32:41.020 And so if you're constantly giving yourself over to all of these other circumstances,

00:32:47.520 personalities, desires, objectives, all this stuff, it kind of twists your mind a little bit.

00:32:54.560 It messes with you.

00:32:55.240 It does, right?

00:32:56.140 I think so.

00:32:56.940 Yeah.

00:32:57.360 Absolutely.

00:32:58.980 I've never studied Meisner.

00:33:00.520 I've never studied this method of acting.

00:33:06.860 But to the degree that I've done well acting, you go there deeply.

00:33:14.480 Yeah.

00:33:14.740 Do you want me to teach you how to cry on cue?

00:33:17.260 Please.

00:33:18.700 This was taught to me, and I can teach you.

00:33:20.340 I'm going to give you the warp speed version of the lesson.

00:33:23.160 A little pin in your pocket.

00:33:24.440 That's what you'd think, right?

00:33:26.000 You would think that you need to think of something really sad, Michael, or have some

00:33:30.140 little person sticking you with pins underneath the table to make you cry.

00:33:36.040 Well, that might work once or twice.

00:33:39.540 But really, what I did is I had a scene on an old show called Touched by an Angel.

00:33:44.220 Okay?

00:33:44.540 And the scene was I was a mailman who had a little nine-year-old boy who would wait for

00:33:50.960 me in his Spider-Man costume and wait for the mail.

00:33:53.260 And his dad was a drunk, and his mom was missing.

00:33:56.960 And he adopted me as like his father figure.

00:33:59.420 I wasn't paying attention one day as the driver looked at my phone, and I ran him over.

00:34:04.960 I then had to go apologize to the drunk father for running over his son.

00:34:10.420 And I had to burst into tears.

00:34:12.400 And then there was a later scene where I needed to commit suicide where I was just profusely

00:34:16.320 crying.

00:34:17.140 How do you do something like this?

00:34:18.840 And remember, you're going to have to do it seven times.

00:34:20.580 Right.

00:34:20.780 It's not like a play where you do it once in the order of the narrative.

00:34:24.560 You have the wide shot.

00:34:25.460 You got the close-up shot.

00:34:26.640 You got the super close-up on the eyes.

00:34:28.460 Then you got the two shots and everything else.

00:34:30.540 So the method is this.

00:34:33.660 We close our eyes, we being you and the acting teacher, and she creates for you an imaginary

00:34:41.080 relationship that goes back to the very beginning.

00:34:44.360 And you begin to build happy memories, very warm, very comforting ties of friendship to

00:34:52.120 this young boy to where your heart is completely endeared to him.

00:34:55.480 He looks up to you.

00:34:56.840 You are his father.

00:34:58.460 And never once the thought of a sad thought.

00:35:01.380 Then, once the relationship has been established in your mind sufficiently, they roll the cameras.

00:35:08.680 The acting coach comes up to you and whispers in your ear,

00:35:11.700 Michael, you didn't watch where you were going, and you just ran the child over.

00:35:16.880 He'll never go to the high school prom.

00:35:19.940 He will never get married or have children.

00:35:22.240 You did this because of your selfishness.

00:35:26.520 Action.

00:35:27.760 And then you're there, and you're just like, what?

00:35:31.480 Yeah.

00:35:32.140 And then boom, and the tears just start coming.

00:35:34.220 Right.

00:35:34.420 If you do the work up front, it's very easy.

00:35:37.340 And it's repeatable over and over and over.

00:35:39.720 I don't know the name of it, but Warner Laughlin was the name of the teacher, and she was just fantastic.

00:35:45.900 It's great.

00:35:46.580 It's also because it involves the imagination.

00:35:50.160 Yes.

00:35:50.460 Stella Adler, the acting teacher and theorist, had this line.

00:35:54.620 She said, there's people who want to just make you think about your own personal life.

00:35:58.560 Sometimes acting, just say, think about getting dumped at prom or whatever.

00:36:00.960 Because if you're trying to play Hamlet, unless you're Danish royalty, there is nothing about getting dumped at prom that will help you to play Hamlet.

00:36:09.220 You have to use your imagination.

00:36:11.500 And so that technique, or even like a character biography, the sort of thing where you enter the scene and you know what you had for breakfast.

00:36:19.580 It's not going to come up in the scene, but it just gives you the confidence to live in this character.

00:36:22.480 And the ability to be present, saying, I know what's in my belly right now.

00:36:26.760 I had scrambled eggs and bacon this morning.

00:36:28.960 Right.

00:36:29.440 But that sort of thing, then, you cut, okay, Kirk, great job, thanks for crying a hundred times, and all those different shots.

00:36:36.620 Then you leave the set.

00:36:38.480 You are still convulsed with this experience.

00:36:41.020 That's right.

00:36:41.260 And if you were going with the method acting that we just talked about, they have more scenes to do in an hour and a half.

00:36:48.840 And if you're not breaking out of that convulsing, and you're still there, and you're in it, and you're doing that for weeks or months, that would be psychologically damaging in my view.

00:36:58.120 All right.

00:36:58.560 Well, then you get the point.

00:37:00.460 You're up.

00:37:01.280 All right.

00:37:07.000 In a cage fight between Kirk Cameron and a drag queen who reads to kids in public libraries, Kirk would get absolutely destroyed. 0.99

00:37:17.580 But only because the average drag queen is 6'2", 190 pounds, and completely drugged out on ketamy. 1.00

00:37:27.600 Mm.

00:37:28.300 Wow.

00:37:29.140 Because, you know, you're a tough guy.

00:37:30.520 I mean, you're a...

00:37:31.520 I mean, you don't get a physique like this through neglect.

00:37:33.920 That's the thing.

00:37:34.860 That's the thing, Kirk.

00:37:36.020 But it's a good point.

00:37:38.120 You are not a cracked out 6'5", ex-con, you know, with a rap sheet a mile long, who has spent your life growing in your skill at predation.

00:37:50.760 So in that case, I'm going to have to say, yeah, you'd get destroyed.

00:37:56.160 Unless it were like a kind of David and Goliath thing, you know, even this mammoth sort of criminal who's got all the worst desires in the world.

00:38:05.400 You know, because you have...

00:38:07.280 That person's intellect and will will be so darkened by sin and evil that because you have spiritual clarity, you might just take that little slingshot and take him out.

00:38:16.800 Is that vivid enough?

00:38:17.540 Yes, it's frightening to think of it.

00:38:22.840 And I agree with you.

00:38:25.840 You said...

00:38:26.400 But it's a combination.

00:38:28.540 I think I would probably get beat, not because I don't know how to throw down a rear naked choke and make the drag queen tap out, but they also have weapons because they have heels, stilettos. 1.00

00:38:44.020 A stiletto inside of a cage match.

00:38:47.440 A boa could kind of get you...

00:38:49.040 I mean, they could pierce a jugular and then it could be over with.

00:38:52.240 So that's why I often wear protective clothing.

00:38:55.240 It's no knock on you.

00:38:57.080 You just don't wear stilettos.

00:38:59.000 Yes, I think that's fair.

00:39:00.500 That's fair.

00:39:01.060 Okay.

00:39:01.860 Your turn.

00:39:02.640 My turn.

00:39:04.640 Since to pray really just means to ask.

00:39:06.960 Well, it means more than that also, but it also includes to ask.

00:39:10.400 Anytime one of my Protestant friends asks me for a favor, they might as well be praying to a saint. 0.52

00:39:16.000 Hmm.

00:39:18.380 Since to pray really just means to ask.

00:39:20.940 Anytime one of my Protestant friends asks me for a favor, they might as well be praying to a saint. 0.52

00:39:25.740 Now, I'm sorry.

00:39:27.660 I'm...

00:39:28.100 You're going to guess what I think or I'm guessing what you think?

00:39:31.440 You're guessing what I think.

00:39:32.360 I'm going to guess what you think.

00:39:33.700 Let me read it again.

00:39:34.460 Since to pray, says Michael Knowles, really just means to ask.

00:39:39.700 It's a little bit more than that, but it involves asking.

00:39:41.620 Yeah.

00:39:42.340 It's like to pray like I pray thee, sir.

00:39:43.920 Give me a martini.

00:39:44.400 Anytime one of my Protestant friends asks me for a favor, they might as well be praying to a saint. 0.52

00:39:50.960 And you're answering how I would answer.

00:39:52.940 Okay.

00:39:55.060 This is great.

00:39:55.860 I'm actually going to learn more about my friend, Michael.

00:39:58.960 Well, you would not...

00:40:00.680 It would not be...

00:40:01.380 I want to get the wording exactly right.

00:40:03.000 It's not that you might as well be praying to a saint.

00:40:07.660 I'm just me, man.

00:40:08.800 You would be much better to pray to a saint than to ask me for my prayers.

00:40:12.860 Because I think my prayers, being a member of the mystical body of Christ,

00:40:16.300 I think my prayers have some efficacy to them.

00:40:20.040 But the prayers of the saints are more efficacious than the prayers of me.

00:40:24.580 Which means you are not a saint.

00:40:28.040 Is that right?

00:40:28.600 I'm certainly not canonized.

00:40:30.580 And I'm not in heaven yet.

00:40:33.120 I hope for it.

00:40:33.740 I trust in God's love and charity and grace.

00:40:37.380 But, like, if you had the option to pray to, like, Mary, Holy Mary, Mother of God,

00:40:44.300 or to pray to, I don't know, St. Peter, or St. Paul,

00:40:49.800 or to pray to really any of the innumerable saints, the martyrs,

00:40:54.920 their prayers would be more efficacious than mine.

00:40:58.060 Though mine might have some efficacy, too.

00:40:59.560 See, this is where you have the advantage.

00:41:02.420 Well, you are Michael Knowles, so you get to answer correctly.

00:41:04.820 There we go.

00:41:06.260 Give me that point.

00:41:07.000 I'm just guessing.

00:41:08.640 But, you know, because I was an atheist who was converted by the Holy Spirit

00:41:17.780 into what we would call Protestantism,

00:41:23.060 I've been taught to view that as necromancy.

00:41:26.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:27.580 And that the saints are those who have been redeemed in Christ.

00:41:32.660 So I would call you as much of a saint as I would call Mary a saint.

00:41:38.600 But would you pray to Mary?

00:41:41.340 No.

00:41:41.620 Just as you would pray?

00:41:42.140 You would not, because that would be like necromancy.

00:41:43.400 No, and I wouldn't pray to you or to Mary.

00:41:45.120 But I would ask you to pray for me, and I would certainly want to pray for you,

00:41:49.100 whether you ask me to or not.

00:41:50.660 I care about you, and I want to.

00:41:52.240 And I'm also pretty fired up about knowing that in the heavenly places,

00:41:57.960 according to Scripture, that I both have Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit

00:42:02.120 interceding for me in prayer.

00:42:03.860 Yes.

00:42:04.220 With groanings that cannot be uttered, and Christ himself at the right hand of the Father.

00:42:07.640 So I feel like with you and my friends and the Holy Spirit and Christ are covered.

00:42:11.480 So you would ask me for my prayers, just as I would ask you for prayers.

00:42:15.040 You would do that because you can pray directly to God, and that's great.

00:42:19.260 You have a direct line to God, which is fabulous.

00:42:21.820 But you say, look, God loves his friends, and we're part of the mystical body of Christ.

00:42:26.460 And so it's good to say, hey, Sheila's in the hospital.

00:42:30.320 Can you pray for Sheila?

00:42:31.560 Yeah.

00:42:32.420 So you do that.

00:42:33.520 And that's not idolatrous.

00:42:35.500 That's not anything like that.

00:42:37.240 So, and my only point is, because God is the God of the living, not of the dead.

00:42:41.500 Yes.

00:42:41.840 Because the one thing we know about the saints in heaven is that they are not dead.

00:42:45.140 They're alive.

00:42:45.840 That's right.

00:42:46.400 So then they can just, at the very least, you would say.

00:42:48.960 No, you just, you almost made me Catholic right there in four seconds. 0.77

00:42:53.320 That's close.

00:42:53.840 And you know what else?

00:42:55.140 I often talk about, in Hebrews chapter 11, or is it 12?

00:43:00.840 I can't remember.

00:43:01.660 It talks about the great cloud of witness.

00:43:03.080 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us run the race.

00:43:06.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:07.240 And throw off all the sin that encumbers us.

00:43:09.680 And I think of that great cloud of witnesses as almost like heaven's balcony.

00:43:13.320 Yes.

00:43:13.720 I think of heaven's balcony.

00:43:14.840 And my minister's wife just passed away.

00:43:18.640 And one of my dear, dear friends, Marshall, passed away.

00:43:21.440 And I think of them as cheering us on from heaven's balcony.

00:43:25.460 And I don't pray to them.

00:43:27.240 I think of them so fondly.

00:43:30.060 And I think, I hope Sherry can see what we're doing.

00:43:33.220 And she's cheering us on.

00:43:34.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:34.600 And it encourages me so much.

00:43:36.560 So I guess, I guess I-

00:43:38.480 I think you're there.

00:43:39.160 I'm, I think I'm almost there.

00:43:40.460 No, because you're, you know, in a really clear example of the scene you're describing.

00:43:45.600 Yeah.

00:43:45.920 Is in the book of the apocalypse, the saints in heaven are holding buckets with incense coming

00:43:50.960 up.

00:43:51.340 And the incense, and you might say that the book of the apocalypse is a sort of mystical

00:43:54.440 reading of the mass, which is a separate conversation.

00:43:56.580 But the incense that's coming up is the prayers of the saints, according to scripture.

00:44:01.100 Yeah.

00:44:01.540 And so, but that's just what you're saying, which is they're cheering you on.

00:44:04.300 What does that mean?

00:44:04.760 It's not, they, they're not gods, but they're like, you know, cheering for you to God.

00:44:09.200 Call, and I wouldn't consider my, my, I wouldn't consider that as a Protestant, as necromancy. 0.79

00:44:15.780 I think of it as, Marshall, I hope you're seeing what's going on in that.

00:44:18.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:19.040 And that you've inspired and encouraged me.

00:44:21.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:22.260 I think you're basically there.

00:44:23.340 You think?

00:44:23.780 Yeah, basically.

00:44:24.220 Because it's, you know, if they're, if they're praying, you know, if they're praying for us,

00:44:27.100 or even if you say they're encouraging us, or they're on our side, or they're rooting

00:44:30.480 for us or something, which is, I think is all basically the same thing.

00:44:33.400 Then you say, all right, if they have prayers, if there are prayers of the saints in heaven, 0.91

00:44:37.260 they ain't praying for the people in hell, they're damned forever. 0.56

00:44:39.440 They're not praying for the people in heaven.

00:44:40.760 They're in the presence of God.

00:44:41.860 They don't, you know, they don't need any prayers.

00:44:43.220 They're doing great.

00:44:44.340 They're obviously praying.

00:44:45.360 They're not praying for your cats or dogs, probably.

00:44:47.700 I think they're praying for us.

00:44:49.060 And they're doing exactly what you're describing, which, which means we agree.

00:44:53.120 This is a good, this is a good, this is a good conversation.

00:44:54.940 I like this.

00:44:55.680 Now you're up.

00:44:57.700 Now I'm up.

00:44:58.340 I think.

00:44:58.760 Do I get to drink?

00:44:59.800 You get to drink.

00:45:00.800 Hold on.

00:45:01.080 Mr. Davies says that Kirk can't drink.

00:45:03.860 No, I'm joking.

00:45:04.360 I can't.

00:45:04.620 No, you can't drink.

00:45:05.320 It is Kirk's turn.

00:45:06.080 See, when you think I don't know how to run this show, it's amazing the lack of faith

00:45:09.260 that the control room has, but you do get to drink and it is your turn.

00:45:16.320 I've witnessed a miracle.

00:45:19.620 Your answer to this?

00:45:20.660 This is, I'm reading this to you.

00:45:23.760 Yes.

00:45:24.300 Which means.

00:45:24.660 But it's, I'm guessing your answer.

00:45:26.320 Oh, no.

00:45:27.760 Isn't it the other way around?

00:45:28.520 No.

00:45:29.100 Yeah, I guess how you would answer.

00:45:30.260 Oh.

00:45:30.440 I think.

00:45:30.800 I've witnessed a miracle.

00:45:32.020 Okay.

00:45:38.120 Of course.

00:45:39.000 Yeah.

00:45:39.760 Either.

00:45:40.160 You have the look of the guy who's witnessed a miracle.

00:45:42.900 Well, I guess I should probably define our terms.

00:45:46.440 Yeah.

00:45:46.660 I guess I've never tried to really strictly define a miracle before, but I think right

00:45:53.000 now I'm going to go with a divine intervention that makes something happen.

00:45:59.260 And so I'm going to give a two-part answer.

00:46:02.520 Is that fair?

00:46:02.940 Yeah.

00:46:03.240 Okay.

00:46:04.440 Do I get two points?

00:46:05.540 If you, I don't think you get two points.

00:46:07.120 I want the judges to know.

00:46:08.620 No.

00:46:08.720 So the first miracle that I would say that I recognized, and then I recognized many more,

00:46:14.120 but the first miracle I recognized was my own change of heart.

00:46:18.080 Yeah.

00:46:18.480 It was getting a new set of eyes through which to see the world.

00:46:21.480 How old were you at this point?

00:46:22.060 I was 17 years old.

00:46:24.120 I was a professing atheist at that time.

00:46:27.260 Yeah, me too.

00:46:28.080 You know, I wasn't Christopher Hitchens who could like, you know, spout out all this stuff

00:46:33.140 and argue the point.

00:46:34.100 I just found it very amusing to laugh at people who believed in an imaginary figure hiding

00:46:42.060 behind the clouds with a rainbow around his neck, just keeping a track of the good and

00:46:46.360 the bad.

00:46:47.440 But then I heard a message that really got me asking existential questions, philosophical

00:46:52.380 questions.

00:46:52.900 What happens out there when we step out of here?

00:46:55.140 What about after you die?

00:46:56.460 Is there a heaven?

00:46:57.160 Is there a, all of that stuff.

00:46:58.360 And when I heard the gospel message and I heard the news that God is holy, that we have

00:47:04.960 fallen and that we are deserving of his wrath because of our rebellion and wickedness and

00:47:10.160 sin, and that he provided a sacrifice, deployed a rescue mission, and that through nothing that

00:47:17.940 I can do to sort of like manipulate or persuade or determine the outcome, God in his mercy saved

00:47:24.760 me.

00:47:25.100 And he says, now believe the gospel and trust in me.

00:47:30.900 And I had no idea whether that was true or not, but it sent me down a road of asking questions.

00:47:36.340 And there was just something that happened when I bowed my head and said, God, make me who

00:47:40.920 I'm supposed to be.

00:47:41.880 If this is true, I want to know.

00:47:45.000 And my heart began to change.

00:47:46.820 And I began to love the things that the scriptures say that God loves.

00:47:50.460 And I began to hate the things that I used to love.

00:47:53.060 And I began to rebel against and reject the sin that was once my pleasure.

00:48:00.960 Yeah.

00:48:01.280 And I thought, why is this happening to me?

00:48:03.200 This isn't giving me an advantage in my career.

00:48:05.440 It's not giving me an advantage with the ladies. 0.99

00:48:07.440 It's not giving me an advantage.

00:48:08.840 But there's something in my heart and soul that says that it's like God, I didn't just,

00:48:16.760 a pastor friend of mine said, Kirk, if anybody ever asks you, how did you find God in Hollywood?

00:48:21.320 Remember this, you didn't find God.

00:48:23.960 He wasn't lost.

00:48:25.280 He found you.

00:48:26.780 And I'm like, yes, yes.

00:48:28.240 And I can't find any other way to explain the worldview shift and the change of heart that

00:48:36.020 I've had.

00:48:36.320 And I would say that was the first miracle.

00:48:37.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:38.420 And it's the best kind of miracle because if I could get God to just levitate this martini

00:48:42.820 in the air, that would be pretty cool.

00:48:44.520 But it wouldn't change.

00:48:46.200 It wouldn't change my marriage.

00:48:47.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:48.260 And it wouldn't help my children.

00:48:49.720 I would just say, you're not going to believe this.

00:48:51.660 But Michael and I saw this thing happen.

00:48:53.400 But when it changes the man or it changes the woman, that's the miracle that is priceless 0.99

00:48:59.900 treasure.

00:49:00.380 Stuff like that, this happens frequently, actually.

00:49:04.280 We just, yesterday was the anniversary of the miracle of the sun, which was witnessed

00:49:08.380 by thousands and thousands of people, believers and non-believers alike in Fatima, Portugal.

00:49:12.760 The sun like dancing in the sky and spinning around.

00:49:14.720 And this was reported widely in the press, including by people who are not Christian, who don't

00:49:17.840 believe in much of anything.

00:49:20.040 And people forget about it.

00:49:22.800 Eucharistic miracles happen.

00:49:24.000 People ignore it.

00:49:25.120 Also, you know, the miracle of the sun is more important than the miracle of the levitating

00:49:29.840 martini.

00:49:30.400 But meaning to say, physical miracles like this do happen with some regularity, and people

00:49:37.500 just move on.

00:49:38.240 Even people who have seen them up close, the change of the man is far more significant and

00:49:44.460 enduring.

00:49:44.840 But the change of the man will, that could have a much wider effect, in fact.

00:49:49.300 Yeah.

00:49:50.120 Yeah.

00:49:50.520 And I think, you know, when I read through the scriptures and, you know, you have the

00:49:55.120 rich man in Lazarus and you have the rich man in Abraham's bosom, and he's crying out,

00:50:00.380 go tell my brothers, go tell my family so they don't come to this place of torment.

00:50:03.580 If a man rises from the dead, surely that they'll, they'll, and Jesus said, even if a man comes 0.90

00:50:08.040 and rises from the dead, they won't believe.

00:50:09.700 They've got Moses.

00:50:10.660 Yeah.

00:50:10.840 And if they don't believe the word of God, they're not going to believe, even if you have

00:50:13.720 a great miracle like that.

00:50:15.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:15.980 And, and, and the, and the great miracle that I see in the scriptures is I think the great

00:50:22.600 need that we have in humanity.

00:50:24.280 And that is someone's got to figure out how to transform the human heart because we're

00:50:29.280 freaking wicked and evil and turn on the news and look what people of power do and people

00:50:34.220 of means and resources do to other human beings. 0.95

00:50:36.160 They not only enslave them, they murder them, they traffic them, they abuse them.

00:50:40.460 And they'll do it to the people that they have been, whose care, who they'll do to the

00:50:45.220 people that they're supposed to be taken care of.

00:50:47.380 And I think that actually validates the scripture even more to me in Jeremiah 17, 9, which says

00:50:52.260 the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.

00:50:55.300 That's our greatest need for a miracle is the transformation of the human heart, which

00:50:59.240 comes to the gospel.

00:51:00.680 Yeah.

00:51:01.280 I agree.

00:51:02.240 All right.

00:51:02.660 I agree.

00:51:03.000 I agree.

00:51:04.980 And there, this is, this is a great game.

00:51:07.300 Now you just, yes, you just read.

00:51:10.500 So now I read.

00:51:11.600 Okay.

00:51:12.340 AI needs to be regulated to slow the process of mass unemployment.

00:51:16.700 Okay.

00:51:18.420 And now, why do I keep getting confused on who's supposed to answer?

00:51:23.640 Now you have to answer for me.

00:51:24.860 I have to answer for you.

00:51:25.900 Yes.

00:51:26.100 And it is AI.

00:51:27.120 AI needs to be regulated to slow the process of mass unemployment.

00:51:31.640 Before you answer, let me have a sip.

00:51:37.400 Hmm.

00:51:38.720 I'll get my juices flowing.

00:51:39.860 The wording makes it a little tricky.

00:51:53.160 AI needs to be regulated because it is a potentially political order shifting technological advance

00:52:00.840 that will have unemployment effects.

00:52:03.400 And so that's part of the political process.

00:52:05.000 There are other reasons, one being that, you know, self-driving cars could, like, you know,

00:52:09.700 drive into this window right now or something.

00:52:11.460 You know, I mean, there's all sorts of questions.

00:52:13.640 So in no small part, because I want to take a point from you, I would say, yes, I don't think

00:52:19.360 that one can employ AI regulations to stop the employment shifts that will occur as a result

00:52:26.340 of this technology, because then you just basically cede the ground to other countries.

00:52:31.700 But there will have to be some kind of political regulation, just because we're not a society

00:52:37.920 in service of an economy where we have an economy in service of political flourishing.

00:52:42.040 And if AI does somehow put, you know, 70% of people out of work, the society simply will

00:52:47.720 not tolerate that.

00:52:48.600 So there just has to be some kind, just as there was regulation of the automobile, there

00:52:52.000 will have to be some regulation of AI, even though the libertarians won't like it.

00:52:55.000 Yeah, yeah, that's getting into a level of thought and understanding that my bandwidth

00:53:03.600 starts to just be full.

00:53:06.040 And I'd love to have some conversation with you at some point.

00:53:09.540 And I've, you know, as people who want free markets and people who don't want government

00:53:14.140 control, at what point do you start drawing lines to say, like, okay, like, we're going

00:53:19.260 to shut down technology called AI because it's going to take over.

00:53:22.520 And then you think, well, shouldn't we just, shouldn't the good people just be more clever

00:53:26.460 to use AI to stop AI?

00:53:28.640 I don't know how to answer that.

00:53:30.040 Even you don't, you don't shut down the internet because there's going to be internet porn, but

00:53:33.140 you probably should regulate the internet so there's less internet porn, which they tried

00:53:36.800 to do in the 90s.

00:53:37.560 But that becomes the basis for the argument to regulate anything, doesn't it?

00:53:40.740 It can be.

00:53:41.700 But, you know, there's always a hazard in any kind of political life.

00:53:46.440 Yeah, but there's no, you know, politics is not a matter of five bullet points on a napkin,

00:53:51.520 in my humble opinion.

00:53:52.880 You know, politics is a nitty gritty series of compromises between different groups and

00:53:59.100 powers and levels of government even.

00:54:01.780 And so, you know, there is regulation over everything.

00:54:06.220 And this was true even in the early republic.

00:54:07.860 You know, it wasn't, there wasn't federal national regulation, but there was very serious

00:54:11.960 local regulation, blue laws, Sabbath laws would be a good example of that.

00:54:15.560 And so there are always going to be these standards and norms.

00:54:18.040 And so you think, okay, we could say on the right, look, we're not going to regulate anything.

00:54:23.640 Like with internet porn, say, it's not going to stop our opponents from regulating.

00:54:27.940 It's not going to stop our, you know, we can say we're not going to have norms and standards.

00:54:30.880 But just as we would say in schools, we don't want like weird porn and drag queens, 1.00

00:54:34.760 you know, talking to our five-year-olds.

00:54:36.600 Why not?

00:54:37.500 Don't you like free speech?

00:54:38.320 Well, I like free speech, but I like standards and, you know.

00:54:40.700 Like true freedom, right?

00:54:43.000 So just as that is the case, with something like AI, yes, there's a hazard that the bad

00:54:49.640 guys will use any regulation to censor us or whatever, you know, to gain an advantage.

00:54:54.640 But I don't think that recuses us from the difficult task of governing.

00:55:00.780 I think we just have to be the ones to wield power and do it in a just manner.

00:55:05.560 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:55:07.160 And I think, you know, my worldview sort of lays it out and says that's why the self-government

00:55:16.480 and the transformation of the human heart is essential.

00:55:20.100 Because at the end of the day, no form of government can fix these problems, right?

00:55:23.820 At the end of the day, you're going to find ways to weaponize laws, good laws, that regulates

00:55:28.620 good, you know, regulate stuff to actually regulate truth and beauty and goodness.

00:55:33.840 And so truly, the only solution is a systemic solution that begins with the transformation

00:55:40.620 of the person.

00:55:41.920 If you have a nation of totally vicious people, you can't have a good country.

00:55:46.700 It doesn't matter how nice your constitution looks.

00:55:49.100 And didn't our founder say that?

00:55:50.420 Michael, didn't they say that our constitution is fit and good for only a moral and religious

00:55:55.500 people?

00:55:56.020 Yeah. 0.96

00:55:56.260 Because essentially, you don't give freedom to a bunch of, you know, pedophilic murderers

00:56:03.100 in prison.

00:56:03.720 Why?

00:56:04.100 Well, because they'll do bad things with that freedom.

00:56:05.940 They can't tolerate, they can't wield their freedom in a fruitful way.

00:56:09.660 That's right.

00:56:10.260 That's right.

00:56:11.500 You're on.

00:56:14.040 The casting couch is still the primary route to success in Hollywood.

00:56:20.980 The primary route.

00:56:22.820 The casting couch is still the primary route to success in Hollywood.

00:56:28.640 Primary is the word here that gives me some trouble.

00:56:31.320 It's the primary route.

00:56:34.480 In Hollywood.

00:56:35.320 So we're not talking about showbiz that takes place outside of Hollywood.

00:56:37.180 Yeah, we're not talking about the Kendrick Brothers and the movies that they make. 0.87

00:56:39.960 We're talking about dirty, nasty, rotten Gamora by the Sea.

00:56:42.980 I would say, you would say yes.

00:56:45.280 Not casting aspersions on anyone who's in it necessarily, but it just is a systemic matter.

00:56:49.800 That's right.

00:56:50.440 That's right.

00:56:50.780 We're using, we only have a broad brush here.

00:56:53.000 We don't have any little ones.

00:56:55.140 I would say yes.

00:56:56.080 I think, I think that is.

00:56:57.920 It's interesting.

00:56:58.680 I had an interview on a show that I do with a guy named J. Warner Wallace, and he is a

00:57:06.960 homicide detective, cold case homicide detective, who has investigated more people on Dateline

00:57:14.400 than anyone else, and he's solved dozens and dozens and dozens of cases that are 10 years

00:57:18.800 old, 20 years old, cold.

00:57:20.860 And he wrote a book, and fascinating discovery.

00:57:23.960 He said, I have found that of every single cold case that I have solved, all of the motives

00:57:30.940 came down to one of three things.

00:57:33.280 It was sexual lust, financial greed, or power.

00:57:41.700 Checks out.

00:57:42.420 And I was like, everyone?

00:57:44.040 He's like, yeah.

00:57:44.860 Every single one of them came down to that, and it drove people to murder.

00:57:49.300 And I just thought it was interesting.

00:57:51.800 You know, and we're talking so much about the scriptures.

00:57:54.040 That lines up perfectly to me with the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride

00:57:57.060 of life.

00:57:57.440 Yep.

00:57:57.900 Yep.

00:57:58.120 And you see Jesus tempted in the wilderness and in those areas as well.

00:58:02.820 And so I think, in Hollywood, this is the land of make-believe, the land of pretend, and

00:58:10.760 the land that is driven by popularity, pride, finances, and sex.

00:58:20.400 I mean, that's what we produce.

00:58:21.880 That's what we peddle. 0.60

00:58:22.760 It's what we pump out to the world.

00:58:24.360 Yeah.

00:58:24.580 And if you want to look at why people in other countries would call America so wicked

00:58:33.700 and immoral, you don't have to look much further than Hollywood.

00:58:37.200 They're not looking at Peoria or something.

00:58:39.020 That's right.

00:58:39.660 And when the opportunity is there, and I remember as a 14-year-old in Hollywood on Growing Pains,

00:58:45.020 you know, these documentaries have come out, you know, I can't remember the name of it,

00:58:47.980 but In the Shadows, Lurking in the Shadows with the Kids.

00:58:50.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:50.660 Well, some of the people in that documentary, turns out they were my stand-in.

00:58:55.420 He was my stand-in.

00:58:56.920 Really?

00:58:57.360 For years and years and years.

00:58:58.880 Now, we always wondered.

00:59:01.260 We had question marks, but you'd never just, you'd never assign something like as wicked

00:59:05.160 as that to somebody.

00:59:06.760 But now that I look back, I go, wow, all the signs were there.

00:59:10.600 And thank God I was not a victim.

00:59:11.940 But the opportunity is there for every wicked, for every deadly sin.

00:59:20.440 You know, Hollywood, you know, wrath, lust, greed, sloth, envy, malice, everything is there.

00:59:27.580 Yeah.

00:59:27.900 And certainly, at the end of the day, the casting couch is a primary tool for the pleasure of those

00:59:37.800 who are in power.

00:59:38.400 That mall.

00:59:39.440 But you find that in politics, too, right?

00:59:41.280 Sure.

00:59:41.460 We look at Epstein, and we look at all this stuff.

00:59:43.180 We see, like, that's just where it's at.

00:59:44.200 You know, there's that mall.

00:59:45.500 I don't know if it's still present, this statue, but it's on Hollywood and Vine, I think, or

00:59:50.240 right around there.

00:59:51.200 Right by, you can see the Hollywood sign in the background.

00:59:53.280 And there's just a big monument of a couch on the rooftop of the mall.

00:59:59.000 I remember seeing it years ago.

01:00:00.240 I was out in Hollywood.

01:00:01.200 I thought, wow, man, that's a little on the nose, isn't it?

01:00:03.680 Yeah.

01:00:04.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:04.620 Okay, I'm out.

01:00:06.840 The 2020 election was rigged.

01:00:10.320 I'm guessing what you're going to think?

01:00:12.560 Yeah.

01:00:13.340 The 2020 election was rigged.

01:00:15.560 Am I guessing what you would say publicly, or what I think you really think?

01:00:25.140 What I really think.

01:00:33.380 Ben, what does YouTube allow me to confirm or deny?

01:00:36.740 Am I, uh...

01:00:38.000 Do we have fact?

01:00:38.560 Does Ben fact check?

01:00:39.320 I can say, yeah.

01:00:39.920 Ben says I'm allowed to say...

01:00:40.900 Wait a minute.

01:00:41.760 I know what's going to happen.

01:00:42.460 If this was actually moderated by ABC, we would be stopped already.

01:00:48.480 And we would already fact checkers.

01:00:49.660 Excuse me.

01:00:50.220 Excuse me, Mr. Cameron.

01:00:52.620 I think you mean...

01:00:53.460 I would say...

01:00:54.460 I would say you get the point.

01:00:56.500 I get the point.

01:00:57.300 You get the point.

01:00:58.240 Yes.

01:01:00.040 How about my answer is just, at least.

01:01:03.000 Let's call it at least.

01:01:04.120 At least.

01:01:04.680 I'll leave it.

01:01:05.240 We'll leave it there.

01:01:05.840 You're up.

01:01:08.780 No, I think you're up.

01:01:09.680 Aren't you up?

01:01:10.940 I shouldn't question.

01:01:11.320 No, you're up.

01:01:11.700 You're up.

01:01:12.160 All right. 0.97

01:01:14.300 A man piercing his ears is more sus than a man playing a half-gay dude at a Yale student 0.96

01:01:20.880 film. 0.94

01:01:21.240 Okay, here we go.

01:01:21.800 In a Yale student film.

01:01:23.500 I've played like 200 roles in my life.

01:01:25.120 They always bring up the one half-gay guy I played in a Yale thesis film.

01:01:27.860 How are you half-gay? 1.00

01:01:29.320 Well, because the guy...

01:01:30.420 Look, it's been a while since I was in this random student film.

01:01:33.300 But the guy...

01:01:34.360 I don't think he was a fully gay guy.

01:01:36.160 He was just like...

01:01:36.900 Is it the character you're playing?

01:01:37.860 Yes.

01:01:38.500 Yes, thank you.

01:01:39.280 It was a character I was playing.

01:01:40.220 This was not a real biopic.

01:01:43.560 But you were not method actor at that time.

01:01:45.840 I was actually trained in a kind of technical acting.

01:01:47.900 Okay.

01:01:48.240 Stell Adler School and all that stuff.

01:01:49.360 So I...

01:01:49.800 But I didn't...

01:01:51.360 There was no...

01:01:51.920 There was no kissing.

01:01:52.980 There was no nothing.

01:01:54.040 Okay, this was a...

01:01:54.980 This was wholesome by the standards of Yale.

01:01:57.040 But, uh...

01:01:59.040 Hold on.

01:01:59.760 Now, again, remind me.

01:02:00.980 I'm answering for you?

01:02:02.540 I'm answering for you.

01:02:03.700 It is a man piercing his ears is more sus.

01:02:06.180 Well, it depends on...

01:02:06.980 At least back in the day, I remember it was...

01:02:09.980 If a guy had a...

01:02:11.340 This was like the 90s, right?

01:02:12.500 If a guy had a piercing on his left ear, it was okay. 0.95

01:02:16.720 But if it was his right ear, he was a gay guy. 0.92

01:02:18.540 But now everyone has like 300 piercings on their eyeballs. 0.98

01:02:21.220 Right.

01:02:21.240 Because I pierced my ear.

01:02:23.020 Wow.

01:02:23.720 I pierced my ear.

01:02:24.960 But your left ear.

01:02:25.540 I purposefully went for the left ear.

01:02:27.400 Yes.

01:02:27.700 Because I didn't want people to think that I was trying to communicate a different message.

01:02:32.480 Correct.

01:02:32.620 My mom didn't talk to me for three days.

01:02:34.600 Really?

01:02:35.020 She really didn't.

01:02:35.640 I was in Hawaii doing this episode of Growing Pains.

01:02:38.640 And me and a few of my buddies, I think a couple of them got a tattoo.

01:02:41.380 And I got a pierced ear.

01:02:42.820 And I used to have this really obnoxious crystal ball with a cross hanging down below

01:02:50.460 that I would wear on Sundays only to church.

01:02:53.300 And I thought I was really cool.

01:02:56.120 So this is my answer?

01:02:57.920 This is...

01:02:58.520 You're going to guess?

01:02:58.840 I got an answer for you. 0.96

01:03:00.320 A man piercing his ears is more sus than a man playing a half-gay dude in a Yale student 0.96

01:03:05.400 film. 0.56

01:03:06.420 Oh, they're both so normal now.

01:03:10.020 Now the only thing is, you would have to play a fully gay dude in a Yale film, I think, 0.77

01:03:14.540 would be if you were doing a film at Yale. 0.96

01:03:16.740 Half-gay is too straight. 1.00

01:03:19.560 Yeah, yeah. 0.93

01:03:20.380 A man, I think your answer is no.

01:03:28.220 A pierced ear is not more sus than playing a half-gay guy at Yale. 0.99

01:03:33.220 In no small part because, even take the half-gay guy out of it, a man piercing his ear is not 0.95

01:03:40.960 more sus than really any graduate of Yale, period. 0.90

01:03:45.280 There you go.

01:03:46.380 Well, that's a good point.

01:03:49.080 That's a good point.

01:03:50.100 And I don't really think that that's, I don't think a guy with a pierced ear is making me

01:03:56.200 super sus.

01:03:57.400 Yes, no, at this point, no, everyone has, I'm one of the few people in America is not

01:04:01.940 pierced.

01:04:02.520 Yeah.

01:04:02.880 I don't, maybe I could do like the eyebrows or nose.

01:04:06.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:08.660 Yeah, something like that.

01:04:10.180 This, I don't understand this one.

01:04:11.460 This one's bad.

01:04:11.880 I don't, I just.

01:04:12.980 I've never seen this work out.

01:04:14.740 It's always someone super into like really bizarre lib stuff.

01:04:18.680 Even this one, I see perfectly normal people.

01:04:21.620 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:22.160 The ears, whatever.

01:04:23.100 But the bullhorn thing.

01:04:25.520 But does it, does it signify something?

01:04:26.920 I'm saying, I don't understand it.

01:04:28.200 Like, I, I guess I understand like, you know, ornaments and decorations and, and, but this

01:04:33.580 one, does it mean something different than this or this?

01:04:36.180 It seems like a bullhorn.

01:04:37.500 Like it, to me, it signifies you are enslaved to something basically.

01:04:42.960 Well, traditionally that seems to be, you know, what you think of is, is cattle or something

01:04:48.480 like that.

01:04:48.940 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:49.740 I think people who are not always aware, they're not, they're not doing that to themselves.

01:04:54.160 They're not, they're not associating that themselves, are they?

01:04:56.480 They're not.

01:04:57.020 People, people though, you know, sometimes people engage in signs and symbols.

01:05:02.240 By the way, I'm not trying to be, I'm not even trying to be personally snarky right now.

01:05:04.880 No, no.

01:05:05.160 Not at all.

01:05:05.580 I'm, I'm genuinely curious.

01:05:06.740 I've never actually asked somebody.

01:05:08.140 People, you know, it's like how if the man who sins is a slave to sin and, you know,

01:05:11.840 if you're free in Christ, you have his yoke upon you, but his yoke is easy and his

01:05:15.420 burden is light.

01:05:15.900 But there is a yoke.

01:05:16.640 It's the yoke of Christ, righteousness, and people fall into servitude without, without

01:05:22.860 thinking it.

01:05:23.360 They think it's freedom.

01:05:24.440 I think they think that putting a bullhorn makes them really free and liberated, just

01:05:27.900 like they think that committing any number of sins makes them free and liberated, but

01:05:30.800 it doesn't.

01:05:32.700 It does not.

01:05:33.660 Signs and symbolized have a connection.

01:05:38.060 All right.

01:05:40.300 Oh, it's my turn.

01:05:41.480 Hold on.

01:05:41.960 All right.

01:05:42.300 Hold on.

01:05:42.600 That's Ben reminded me.

01:05:43.840 Any wife.

01:05:44.260 See, this is not fair.

01:05:44.900 See, you're like the political candidate in the presidential election that has the little

01:05:51.300 speaker in your ear.

01:05:52.540 And by the political candidate, you mean Joe Biden in that debate.

01:05:56.040 Yeah.

01:05:57.220 I don't want to say any names.

01:05:58.660 Yeah.

01:05:58.880 Yeah.

01:05:59.260 That's I know.

01:05:59.820 I got to hide this better.

01:06:01.140 Anyway, I can't even see it.

01:06:02.180 They did a great job.

01:06:03.440 I should have been something.

01:06:05.120 Now that I'm a grandfather and I need a hearing aid eventually.

01:06:08.880 I need that.

01:06:10.140 Yeah.

01:06:10.580 I need to hook me up with the right one.

01:06:12.120 I can't even see it.

01:06:12.980 Any wife with a social media presence is technically not a trad wife, not traditional if she has 0.52

01:06:21.120 a social media presence.

01:06:21.940 No.

01:06:22.060 Answer for me.

01:06:27.300 I'm going to answer for you.

01:06:28.540 Yeah.

01:06:28.680 Any wife with a social media presence is technically not a trad wife, a traditional wife.

01:06:34.020 Before you answer, I'll drink.

01:06:45.200 I need a drink, too, because I got to ramp up my RPMs.

01:06:48.040 Yeah.

01:06:57.860 Yeah.

01:06:58.760 Yeah.

01:06:59.000 I'm not saying if you have some kind of lurker Twitter account or something that's or if

01:07:03.020 you like are on Twitter to get recipes or something or Instagram, but women who have 1.00

01:07:07.020 a social media presence.

01:07:08.820 Yeah.

01:07:08.940 They're like taking that.

01:07:09.580 That was the key phrase to me was social media presence.

01:07:12.420 Yeah.

01:07:12.680 It's not possible to be a trad wife.

01:07:15.020 I think if you are like an Instagram.

01:07:17.300 Why not?

01:07:18.660 Because you are essentially public facing.

01:07:21.920 So in the traditional scheme of things, the husband is public facing.

01:07:25.360 The wife is more in charge of the home economy and the private life of the family. 0.99

01:07:29.760 He's the outside.

01:07:30.440 She's the inside.

01:07:31.240 Yeah, basically.

01:07:32.100 And they're complementary in that way.

01:07:34.160 They're both.

01:07:34.820 You need both.

01:07:35.740 But that's traditionally how it's done.

01:07:37.460 And I think if a woman's posting a lot of selfies, if she's married, she is seeking 0.99

01:07:42.980 validation or at the very least, she is wittingly or unwittingly attracting attention from men 0.51

01:07:49.920 who are not her husband.

01:07:51.580 And that's not very trad.

01:07:52.720 That's not good for anybody.

01:07:54.160 In my look, call me a knuckle dragger.

01:07:55.860 Call me backwards, whatever.

01:08:00.100 That's just how it is.

01:08:01.420 Yeah.

01:08:01.640 It's so interesting, isn't it?

01:08:02.720 The culture that we are in today is the only culture that many young men and women have 0.67

01:08:10.740 ever known.

01:08:11.560 Yeah.

01:08:11.760 They've never not known selfies.

01:08:13.640 Yeah.

01:08:14.360 And taking pictures of yourself in the mirror with your own camera and then sending it to

01:08:19.780 not just your friends, but everybody in the world, that is a very bizarre concept.

01:08:26.480 Yes.

01:08:27.200 To those of us who grew up in the 1980s.

01:08:30.640 Yeah.

01:08:31.760 Yeah.

01:08:32.720 Even the 90s.

01:08:33.880 I couldn't have even imagined what someone would have thought of me if I took my own camera

01:08:38.840 and I took a picture of myself and I sent it to all my friends.

01:08:42.580 Yeah.

01:08:43.260 They would think I was a narcissist.

01:08:44.880 You were a famous actor since you were a kid.

01:08:47.900 And even still, that idea is crazy.

01:08:51.040 It is.

01:08:51.480 Yes.

01:08:51.680 Now, I've habituated to it and I take selfies when I'm with my family or even if I'm just

01:08:58.340 promoting a book like this or something else, I'm like, hey, I'm on the Glenn Beck show

01:09:01.760 or I'm with Michael Knowles because our society is that way and my job sort of depends on it.

01:09:07.520 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:07.820 But when you step back and think about it, it's really strange.

01:09:12.200 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:12.420 But you're-

01:09:12.780 And you're saying in the context of being a mother.

01:09:15.020 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:15.340 You're not a trad wife. 1.00

01:09:16.220 I'm not a trad wife.

01:09:16.580 You're a public figure who obviously you need your pictures out there.

01:09:19.240 It's a different category.

01:09:19.920 But yeah, if you're a woman, like just taking pictures of yourself because you think you 0.70

01:09:25.340 look really good and you want all these people to see it.

01:09:28.580 Look, I understand there's a culture, especially for single women, but if you want to be like 1.00

01:09:33.540 a trad wife and mom, ain't not a lot of selfies in that culture, you know? 1.00

01:09:38.460 So I guess I want to say this because I guess I want to like exonerate myself a little bit

01:09:45.520 here or something.

01:09:46.400 Is that the right word?

01:09:47.440 I think so.

01:09:48.020 That's a big word.

01:09:48.540 Yeah, I like it.

01:09:50.040 I said eradicate once.

01:09:51.260 It got me in a lot of trouble, but exonerate's a better word.

01:09:53.040 So I can't judge the motive of anybody's heart and why they might be taking a selfie.

01:09:57.060 However, I like what you said when you said that traditionally for the trad wife and the

01:10:03.060 trad husband, that the husband is outward facing.

01:10:08.820 He's looking for the threats.

01:10:10.560 He's protecting.

01:10:11.540 He's providing.

01:10:12.540 He's the tough external.

01:10:14.440 She's the tender heart.

01:10:16.620 She's the nurturer of relationship and culture. 0.99

01:10:18.740 Hand that rocks the cradle.

01:10:19.760 It's the hand that rules the world.

01:10:20.380 That's the soft, the interior.

01:10:21.720 And Jordan Peterson has interestingly said that human beings can sort of lean on a personality

01:10:29.100 spectrum, more masculine, more feminine, within the categories of male and female.

01:10:33.500 It's not like every dude is like a cage fighter and every woman is, right?

01:10:38.860 Some of us are like Conan the Barbarian, but other men are a little...

01:10:41.760 But we tell.

01:10:42.140 Yeah, yeah, of course.

01:10:43.460 But anyway, I think it's super interesting.

01:10:45.580 It's fun having these conversations with you.

01:10:46.920 And I think actually what Jordan really said was,

01:10:48.560 every man exists on a spectrum of...

01:10:51.980 I'm working on my Canadian.

01:10:53.020 It's not perfect.

01:10:53.680 It's so good.

01:10:54.400 I'm working on it.

01:10:55.480 I'm not...

01:10:56.320 I need more acting training.

01:10:57.200 But you know what you need to combine that with is some tears.

01:10:59.960 Yeah, I do.

01:11:00.700 You're right.

01:11:01.340 And that's what my acting lesson...

01:11:02.300 I need to think about like the lobster or something, you know?

01:11:05.140 Like I'll create a life with the lobster.

01:11:06.980 Yes, yes, yes.

01:11:08.540 You're right.

01:11:17.020 Courageous is better.

01:11:18.560 Than Fireproof.

01:11:20.440 Wow.

01:11:20.960 Now, just for the watching, listening audience,

01:11:23.820 these are both movies.

01:11:25.360 Yeah.

01:11:26.620 Courageous and Fireproof were made by the Kendrick Brothers.

01:11:31.180 They're Christian films.

01:11:33.280 One was about fatherhood parenting.

01:11:35.720 The other was about marriage.

01:11:37.000 And I was in Fireproof.

01:11:38.540 Yes, yes.

01:11:39.980 Courageous is better than Fireproof.

01:11:41.920 Yeah.

01:11:43.000 No, because the problem with...

01:11:44.340 I'm just going to answer for me, not even for you.

01:11:47.240 The problem with Courageous is that the script was great.

01:11:50.040 You know, the direction I thought was great.

01:11:51.580 Producers did a fabulous job.

01:11:53.320 A number of the actors were terrific in it.

01:11:57.060 There's just this one actor in Courageous.

01:12:00.660 A young...

01:12:01.160 Like a young man. 0.78

01:12:01.820 Oh, man, I thought you were going to say there was this one actor in Fireproof that really just...

01:12:05.140 No, no.

01:12:05.860 Forget about Fireproof for a second.

01:12:07.200 Okay.

01:12:07.360 It's more...

01:12:08.120 This is more a negative vote, I would say.

01:12:10.180 Okay.

01:12:10.360 A young actor in Courageous made an absolute mockery of the entire acting profession and may have led people to question their innermost beliefs.

01:12:25.040 So, because of Ben Davies, your movie wins.

01:12:28.660 My movie wins.

01:12:29.500 Yeah.

01:12:30.400 I'm sorry.

01:12:31.000 That was my opinion.

01:12:31.700 And then in your opinion, I think you agree.

01:12:33.320 You think I agree?

01:12:34.200 Yeah.

01:12:34.700 Well, I'm part of the Ben Davies fan club, actually.

01:12:39.680 I think he's actually quite a talented actor.

01:12:42.600 So, I disagree with your reasoning, but my conclusion is the same.

01:12:46.280 I think Fireproof was a really good movie.

01:12:52.520 So, I still get the point.

01:12:54.080 Yes.

01:12:54.640 Okay.

01:12:55.060 Yes.

01:12:55.560 And, you know, Fireproof was one of those films, I think, maybe one of my favorites that I've been a part of.

01:13:01.180 And I can't tell you how many people have come up to me at meetings and just said things like, dude, Fireproof saved my marriage.

01:13:08.460 Yeah.

01:13:08.600 I was that guy.

01:13:09.840 And that's what I appreciate about the Kendrick movies is that they often, they script characters that are the portrayals of so many relatable people.

01:13:20.280 You can see yourself in one of the characters of their films.

01:13:22.640 And in Fireproof, so many guys felt that way.

01:13:25.260 I'm a hero at work.

01:13:26.360 Everybody thinks I'm doing a great job, except my wife.

01:13:30.040 I come home, and I can't do anything right.

01:13:32.340 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:32.820 And it's all my fault.

01:13:34.200 And then he sort of devolves into the base responses to not getting what he wants, and then it just goes downhill from there.

01:13:43.920 But then the turnaround and the comeback was so inspiring that men went out, they got the book, they took the 40-day challenge, and they said, it changed my life, and it saved my marriage.

01:13:56.020 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:56.680 And so I, I don't know if Courageous ever did that, but I know firsthand that Fireproof did for some.

01:14:02.380 That is great, because that's a real problem.

01:14:04.340 A lot of guys, I think, I don't know, maybe most guys at some point in their marriage probably deal with something like that.

01:14:08.400 And I will say, I hate to make a sincere point about Mr. Davies and his acting.

01:14:13.180 I was at a school one time, I forget which school it was, and some crazy lib student was willing to sit down and talk after one of the speeches.

01:14:21.420 And she did it because somewhere deep down in her Christian upbringing or something, she was a huge Ben Davies fan.

01:14:32.140 Really?

01:14:32.300 And yes, and actually, he was like her favorite actor.

01:14:35.820 And so somewhere there, that was still kind of resonating a little bit.

01:14:39.460 Yeah.

01:14:39.920 I wonder if he ever was a centerfold in a Tiger Beat magazine in the 1980s.

01:14:49.000 You know, Ben, can you confirm or no, you weren't?

01:14:52.440 Wow, amazing.

01:14:53.340 That's incredible.

01:14:54.400 Well, the guy in Fireproof was.

01:14:55.960 He was.

01:14:56.740 Yeah.

01:14:56.980 But that was really cool.

01:14:58.520 So she agreed to talk with you because of Ben Davies.

01:15:01.700 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:02.620 And that's the one good thing that guy ever did.

01:15:04.580 You know, it's really, it's incredible.

01:15:06.560 Wow, so, yeah.

01:15:07.660 How do I become a centerfold?

01:15:08.940 I don't, I don't know.

01:15:10.560 Hold on, now I'm up.

01:15:11.500 You're up, you're up.

01:15:13.260 Vaccines are more dangerous than climate change.

01:15:17.420 Who's guessing?

01:15:18.240 You got a guess for me.

01:15:19.220 Oh, oh, vaccines are more dangerous than climate change.

01:15:23.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:15:24.040 You mean they're at all dangerous?

01:15:25.440 I didn't have to think.

01:15:26.440 Yeah.

01:15:26.980 There is even the possibility that they are dangerous?

01:15:30.020 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:15:31.540 Yeah.

01:15:31.720 Yeah, that's not a, that's a, that's like a free square on bingo, you know?

01:15:35.200 Do I get to drink too?

01:15:36.300 You do, Chin Chin. 0.87

01:15:37.560 Now, is this the last question?

01:15:39.120 I think so.

01:15:39.900 All right, so you asked the last one.

01:15:43.400 Okay.

01:15:44.760 How many vaccines do kids, are they, are they getting nowadays by the time they're 18 years old?

01:15:49.180 I think it's 57 by age two months.

01:15:51.740 At all?

01:15:52.240 Is that all?

01:15:52.520 I think that's all.

01:15:53.220 Well, you now basically every spot on a baby that could be stuck with a needle, they basically

01:15:57.960 get them.

01:15:58.340 And I'll tell you, when I, when I was a kid, I was told vaccines are great, there's no

01:16:03.960 problem, whatever.

01:16:04.800 And I started meeting people who were like, yeah, you don't really need like a hundred

01:16:08.540 thousand vaccines.

01:16:09.800 I was at the hospital, it was my first kid, and subsequent kids too.

01:16:13.580 And the lady said, okay, we're going to give your kid the hep B vaccine. 0.95

01:16:18.240 Yeah, I remember that one.

01:16:19.460 The hep B vaccine.

01:16:20.480 Like, I got it when I was older.

01:16:22.100 I said, hep B, huh?

01:16:24.220 I said, yeah, yeah, protects against, you know, like sexually transmitted diseases and

01:16:29.400 needles and stuff.

01:16:30.860 And I was like, yeah, I, you know, I don't think my kid is going to any brothels or skid row

01:16:35.360 or anything right now.

01:16:36.500 That's right.

01:16:37.000 And she, there are three, there are two. 0.56

01:16:39.540 Yeah.

01:16:40.180 It was a newborn.

01:16:41.400 It was a newborn, like, like just fresh out of the oven.

01:16:44.880 I said, I think we're good.

01:16:46.300 And the actual answer that this nurse said to my wife was, well, or I think my wife had 0.79

01:16:52.760 to pull it out of her a little bit.

01:16:53.740 She goes, basically, you, you just want to give the baby the vaccine because you're saying

01:16:57.420 my husband's cheating on me. 0.99

01:16:59.700 Or is like an intravenous drug user or is hanging around with hookers or something. 0.99

01:17:03.500 And she was like, yeah, basically. 0.91

01:17:07.960 We're good.

01:17:08.800 Thanks.

01:17:09.160 I'm, I'm willing to vouch no heroin and no hookers will, uh, the effect on my child. 0.99

01:17:17.280 Yeah.

01:17:17.440 Can you imagine that?

01:17:18.500 To say, yeah, uh, hey lady, in this very vulnerable moment, this most beautiful moment, probably

01:17:23.060 in your married life, you know, since you've been married, uh, I'm going to accuse your husband

01:17:28.600 implicitly of cheating on you.

01:17:31.440 That's how crazy our medical industry is.

01:17:33.700 Wow.

01:17:33.960 Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:35.620 It's great.

01:17:35.980 And, and, you know, you're, well, you're, you're a father and I am too.

01:17:38.920 Um, but all of this comes back around tenfold for us, me and my wife, when it comes to grandkids,

01:17:45.840 because like you said, now it's however many dozens of, of steel needle sticks.

01:17:50.780 Yeah.

01:17:51.040 And, um, there's all sorts of justifications and, and, uh, you know, I, I know that you,

01:17:57.300 you, you, you know this, but, uh, I was talking to my kids.

01:17:59.600 I said, kids, if, if, if ever you hear the phrase, we're here from the government and we

01:18:05.480 want to keep you safe, that's when you, all the radar should go up.

01:18:10.500 Yeah.

01:18:10.520 And the safety thing is everywhere.

01:18:12.160 You go into an airport, you go anywhere.

01:18:14.500 Most of the justification is we need to tax you more.

01:18:17.700 Yeah.

01:18:17.900 We need more of your money so that we can keep you safe from things that will kill you.

01:18:21.800 Yeah.

01:18:22.220 That's always the justification for more vaccines, more taxes, more this, more that.

01:18:27.140 And I just think, wow, you know, we, we have to decide as a country, as a people, um, do

01:18:31.980 we want to take this risk and responsibility onto ourselves or do we want to outsource our,

01:18:36.880 our protection and sacrifice our liberties?

01:18:39.360 And, uh, we got to decide cause we could be China really quick or we have to do the

01:18:45.040 hard work and we get to be free.

01:18:46.560 Right.

01:18:47.020 Right.

01:18:47.500 Yeah.

01:18:47.820 I, if, if Dr. Fauci shows up knocking, Hey, I want to make you safe.

01:18:51.960 It's like, let's get out the bear spray, bolt the door.

01:18:55.040 That's right.

01:18:55.980 Which is a terrible thought, but, um, we're here.

01:18:59.920 I get to read the last question.

01:19:01.200 Here we go.

01:19:02.060 I'm going to put your coffee.

01:19:03.220 Oh yes.

01:19:03.900 I can properly guess.

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01:19:13.740 I like this.

01:19:14.720 I love this. 0.96

01:19:17.920 Freemasons worship demons. 0.98

01:19:22.840 I'm now going to guess what you think.

01:19:24.820 I guess.

01:19:25.400 Yeah.

01:19:25.800 Yes.

01:19:26.240 Yes.

01:19:26.660 I I'm guessing what Michael thinks.

01:19:28.160 What does Michael think about Freemasons?

01:19:30.420 Oh no.

01:19:30.840 I guess what Kirk thinks.

01:19:31.980 Okay.

01:19:32.200 No, no, no.

01:19:32.560 You're right.

01:19:32.760 I'm guessing what you think.

01:19:33.420 Okay.

01:19:33.540 Hold on.

01:19:33.920 Hold on.

01:19:34.180 Hold on. 0.98

01:19:34.500 Freemasons worship demons. 0.98

01:19:37.240 That's a, that's a, that's a.

01:19:38.960 It's hardcore.

01:19:41.600 That's a hardcore absolute statement here. 0.83

01:19:43.720 Freemasons worship demons. 0.98

01:19:49.240 Ah.

01:19:53.360 The ah was what made me think your answer is yes.

01:19:58.480 You're not denying it.

01:19:59.780 You got that.

01:20:01.380 You got a little smirk.

01:20:03.660 You know, what's great about this so far is I have been honest the whole time.

01:20:08.060 I have not been changing my answers.

01:20:10.400 No.

01:20:11.500 Just to win this game.

01:20:12.700 No.

01:20:12.920 I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say no.

01:20:23.200 Here's, and here's what I mean by this.

01:20:24.480 Okay.

01:20:24.960 They very well may be worshiping demons.

01:20:27.560 I had a grandfather who I told you about was in World War II, who I love with all of my heart.

01:20:32.980 And boy, he was a good man.

01:20:34.080 And when I asked him what the deal was with his Freemasonry stuff, and he had his rabbit's 0.90

01:20:38.200 foot that he was just buried with and his apron and the whole thing.

01:20:40.960 Some of my, listen, some of my close friends are Freemasons.

01:20:43.720 And my grandfather was a Mason, as in the architectural type.

01:20:47.600 Yeah.

01:20:47.740 I mean, he was a construction worker.

01:20:48.480 Oh, really?

01:20:48.840 Oh, was he?

01:20:49.280 Oh, wow.

01:20:49.480 He was a construction worker.

01:20:50.280 Yeah.

01:20:50.820 And I asked Grandpa, what did you believe in?

01:20:53.220 Did you do like weird funky stuff in the back rooms of, you know, in the temples and this

01:20:57.580 and that?

01:20:58.140 What were you doing?

01:20:59.300 And I believe my grandpa told me the truth.

01:21:02.040 But back in the, back in the 40s and the 50s, he said, no, we were a fellowship of people,

01:21:09.440 brothers, and we put our hand on the Bible, and we did good things for people, and we love

01:21:15.760 God, we love our country, and we love our family.

01:21:17.640 So I think in his mind, he's not worshiping a demon.

01:21:19.560 Yeah, yeah, of course.

01:21:20.280 Now, over time, things go from, you know, fringe and odd or eccentric, and then they get

01:21:25.840 into the satanic and demonic.

01:21:27.860 Yeah.

01:21:28.040 So today, I don't know, I don't know what the heck they worship, but if they're not

01:21:31.920 worshiping the true God, then I would say you're, you are deeply in trouble, and you're

01:21:38.040 on the wrong track.

01:21:38.700 Yeah, I think this is a good way to put it, because I legitimately have close friends who

01:21:41.560 are masons, and they're, you know, they're great guys often, and probably, you pick

01:21:45.360 your average mason over your average, it's like, person on the street in America today.

01:21:51.280 Probably they take morality more seriously, and you know, so there's a lot to recommend

01:21:55.560 it.

01:21:56.360 However, it's kind of to your point.

01:21:58.520 One of the reasons that the church has had a tough history with Freemasonry is because

01:22:02.960 it's just kind of a substitute, it's a new religion, you know, it's a different religion.

01:22:06.520 So it's got its own funeral rites, it's got its own initiation rites, it's got its own

01:22:11.360 moral views, and it's got its own views of God and the nature of God.

01:22:17.020 And so, to your point, you know, if you're a Christian, I would recommend that you get

01:22:22.400 into it.

01:22:22.940 Yeah, yeah, that's basically my point, is that, you know, just in general, any time you

01:22:28.900 are engaging in religious rituals or religious belief that is outside the scope of Christianity,

01:22:36.400 you're putting yourself in a little bit of danger, would be my end.

01:22:42.180 But do I get the point for that?

01:22:43.440 No, I think I, no, you don't get the point for that.

01:22:45.220 So who won?

01:22:46.640 I won, let's go.

01:22:48.360 Did you win?

01:22:48.900 Right, sorry, I wanted to be really more gracious about that.

01:22:51.340 Kirk, thank you so much.

01:22:53.580 You know it was a valiant fight.

01:22:55.240 It was a pleasure.

01:22:57.940 Cheers.

01:22:58.840 And Ben Davies, I want to thank you for putting all that whiskey into Kirk's coffee.

01:23:04.920 Kirk, go get this book.

01:23:07.400 Well, you don't need to get the book, you wrote it.

01:23:08.840 Born to be Brave, How to Be a Part of America's Spiritual Comeback from truly one of the greats

01:23:14.960 in our pop culture and really one of the great American figures to actually speak the truth

01:23:21.500 and to live out his faith and do it in a really public way since the 1980s and has been doing

01:23:26.640 it consistently.

01:23:27.300 Kirk Cameron, thank you.

01:23:28.220 Thank you.

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The Michael Knowles Show - October 19, 2024

Atheists, Covid, and Aliens： YES or No ｜ Kirk Cameron

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