The Michael Knowles Show - Biden's DANGEROUS Plan For America ｜ Sean Spicer

00:00:00.000 If you were concerned about record inflation up around 7%, especially this Christmas season

00:00:13.580 when people are buying a lot of food and buying a lot of presents, I've got, I can't say it's

00:00:19.220 good news for you. It's just that the number to worry about is not the 7%, it's the nearly

00:00:25.920 10% of wholesale inflation that we have seen. It's even worse than we were told it was going

00:00:31.260 to be. This, as you're looking to buy your Christmas steak or presents for your loved

00:00:37.340 one, all in this year that we were told was going to be a return to normalcy. The main

00:00:42.980 argument for Joe Biden is he's good old Uncle Joe, he's moderate, he's been around forever,

00:00:48.740 and we're going to return from normal after so many crazy years under Donald Trump.

00:00:52.780 Some people predicted that things were going to be radical, including my friend, Sean

00:00:58.260 Spicer. Sean Spicer was the 28th White House press secretary under Donald Trump. He wasn't

00:01:04.140 the 28th one under Donald Trump, but he was the 28th White House press secretary and he

00:01:07.960 was secretary under Donald Trump. He has a wonderful show, Spicer & Co., which I love watching and

00:01:12.740 I love being on, by the way, as well. That is on Newsmax on weekdays, and he's the author

00:01:17.320 of the new book, Radical Nation. Sean, thank you for coming on.

00:01:20.540 Hey, it's a pleasure to be with you. It's always great to have you on the show as well. It's nice

00:01:24.320 to trade places, though, and answer your questions.

00:01:27.600 I feel so powerful. I really, I really love this. But as a citizen, I don't feel very powerful right

00:01:33.180 now because everything, I don't think I'm being hyperbolic, every single thing has gotten worse

00:01:39.280 under Joe Biden. This is reflected in his poll numbers. He's underwater on every issue, including

00:01:44.880 on COVID, which was the one issue that he was kind of above water on for a little bit. So

00:01:49.160 how did the Biden administration turn out so radically differently than what we were told

00:01:56.860 it was going to be?

00:01:57.920 So two things. First, you know, to your point, I was, I think it was last Sunday night. My

00:02:02.700 wife and I took the kids. We were out at the grocery store at the top of our street, just

00:02:06.380 getting some stuff, you know, picking up stuff. We'd already done grocery shopping for the rest

00:02:09.980 of the week. And I'm sort of a lemon addict. I have lemons in the morning. I just, it's

00:02:14.900 become the new health thing, I guess. So I keep getting told that you put lemon in everything

00:02:18.740 and apparently that'll make me skinny and healthy. So anyway, I go to buy lemons and I

00:02:24.360 look at my wife, it was 99 cents a lemon. And now granted, they were supposed to be the 1.00

00:02:28.940 large lemons. And I'm like, holy smokes, when did lemons become 99 cents? But that just tells

00:02:35.440 you. And then she was looking at something else that she had gotten on Thanksgiving. We were

00:02:39.660 in the produce area. And she said, you know, when I was here for Thanksgiving, this was like

00:02:43.880 $4.80. It's now $7.20. I mean, to your point, everything's becoming more expensive. But to your

00:02:51.380 question, Michael, the reason I called it Radical Nation wasn't because Sean Spicer thought Joe

00:02:58.200 Biden was going to be radical or the Daily Wire was saying that Joe Biden, it's because during the

00:03:03.800 presidential campaign, Joe Biden pledged to be the most progressive president ever. He said it.

00:03:10.080 No one took him seriously. And I and mostly people on the right and that you had all these

00:03:13.860 establishment right wingers coming out and saying, I've known Joe Biden, he's in the Senate,

00:03:18.160 he's a pragmatist, he's a moderate, he's an institutionalist. But Biden understood something

00:03:22.560 that I don't think we all appreciated, which he understood legacy. And then if you're only going

00:03:26.680 to get four years, which let's be honest, that's what's going to happen, that you can either try to

00:03:32.160 accomplish a great deal, or you can do a great deal that cements your legacy. One of the first

00:03:37.840 things I write about in the book is this meeting he had in the cabinet room with all of these

00:03:41.040 liberal historians talking about how to outdo FDR. And so you've seen him not through action

00:03:47.640 in policy, although that's part of it, but through appointment, Kamala Harris, the first woman of

00:03:53.280 color, Pete Buttigieg, the first LGBTQ person to lead a department, not in the cabinet, which was

00:03:59.240 Grinnell, but to lead a department. And all of these things, first transgender four star,

00:04:04.740 because all of these things allow him to say, I was more progressive, I was more liberal, I was more

00:04:09.780 radical than anybody else. And we missed it. And I think that we've got to make sure that we

00:04:16.160 understand his goal so that we can continue to protect the country. This is a great point,

00:04:21.720 because the reason that I never believed the whole Biden's a moderate, he's going to be a return

00:04:26.900 to normal thing, is that I think Joe Biden's political ideology involves licking his index

00:04:32.560 finger when he gets up in the morning, he puts it in the air, figures out whichever way the wind is

00:04:36.540 blowing, that's going to be Joe Biden's view that day. The man, I don't say it to be mean, but he

00:04:42.080 is as empty a suit as I have ever seen in American politics. But what you're suggesting is a little more

00:04:50.100 than that, which is it's wonderful to become president. But if you become one of those presidents

00:04:56.020 that are just totally forgotten, William Henry Harrison, I don't know, there are not a lot of

00:05:01.420 post offices to William Henry Harrison. That's, that's almost worse than never being president

00:05:05.540 at all. And so you've got, you've got to accomplish something and he is doing a lot of things. They

00:05:10.280 just appear to be backfiring. Well, but if you understand, if you're 78 years old and you,

00:05:16.220 you know, and first of all, it's funny that you mentioned the policy stuff. There's a whole chapter

00:05:20.440 in the book that I love about his position on being pro-life. I mean, he started off as a big

00:05:25.620 defender of life and talking about life begins at conception and Roe was wrongly decided. And now

00:05:32.020 suddenly he doesn't remember all of those quotes he gave to Catholic newspapers in Delaware when he

00:05:37.080 was a senator. But look, he, he understands I'm 78 years old. I'd be 82 when I ran. I'm way too old to

00:05:44.960 begin with now. And so if I do a bunch of stuff, and again, I think the policy is part of it, packing

00:05:50.380 the court, making DC a state, expanding government, allowing illegals to vote. All of that is part of it.

00:05:55.400 But the one thing that you can't take away from me, if nothing else gets passed, and I think some of

00:05:59.900 it will, he can at least say, I appointed all of these people. And he is the North star for

00:06:05.400 progressive leftists forever saying, well, Biden appointed the first woman of color to VP. What

00:06:10.800 will you do? He appointed the first transgender four star. What will you do? And so now Biden has

00:06:17.200 become the left wing bar, just as FDR has been for the last several decades. How do you outdo FDR?

00:06:24.120 How do you grow the government? Well, he is now sort of realized I need to outdo FDR,

00:06:28.720 but in my own way, in a way that I don't have to rely on policy. That's very perceptive because it

00:06:35.940 reminds me, and I had forgotten this, that Joe Biden actually jumped Barack Obama on the issue of

00:06:41.960 redefining marriage before Obama was, we forget now, but every Democrat was vehemently opposed to

00:06:47.560 redefining marriage. And then in 2011, right around 2011, before the 2012 campaign, Biden came out and

00:06:54.560 said, I'm, I'm for gay marriage. And, and then Obama finally came out with it as well. So there is this

00:06:59.840 idea of, if I can't actually accomplish anything, I'm at least going to be the new bar. I'm going to be

00:07:04.640 the furthest out there. On this issue of pro-life, I'd love to get your opinion because you've been

00:07:09.260 around DC a long time. You're a fellow mackerel snapping papist such as myself. Uh, you're very

00:07:15.920 pro-life. Joe Biden and the entire Democrats have given up any even pretense of being pro-life at this

00:07:22.860 point. On the court though, we just heard the oral arguments in the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health.

00:07:28.980 This could overrule Roe versus Wade. If you were a gambling man, Sean, what do you think happens in

00:07:34.920 this case? So my personal view is I think that what they're going to do is thread the needle.

00:07:41.000 You saw Kavanaugh give commitments to Susan Collins of Maine during his confirmation process.

00:07:46.720 And so I think what they want to do is stay consistent to their commitments and to the

00:07:50.080 precedent that the court has set. But what they're going to say is that this new law is consistent.

00:07:55.220 It's saying that, that the States have the right to do something up to the point of viability where

00:08:00.380 science takes us or technology, which is what it is now. So therefore they're just going to

00:08:04.760 allow the bar to move down to say 15 weeks is the new bar. But I think that they're not going to

00:08:10.480 overturn Roe. They're just going to move the bar and say that what Texas, I mean, what Mississippi did, 0.61

00:08:16.100 and then we'll talk about Texas, but what Mississippi did is consistent with Roe because all it's doing

00:08:24.000 is moving the bar, if you will, with, with technology and science. It's not taking the role of, of the

00:08:31.820 federal government. It's not, it's not unprotecting it. I just, now maybe, maybe somehow you get a

00:08:37.380 majority vote and I'm wrong on this. I'm not a, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a SCOTUS watcher, but I think

00:08:42.620 that the commitments those guys made in their confirmation process, they've got to find a way

00:08:47.640 to thread that needle. So that's what I believe will happen. Well, you can certainly see chief

00:08:51.580 justice Roberts trying, doing everything he can in that, in the oral arguments to try to figure out

00:08:58.200 some way, well, but hold on, is it, it's 15 weeks is not viability, but is there a, please, please

00:09:03.220 lawyers give me some way to uphold the law while not overruling Roe. Yeah. And I think that that's,

00:09:10.600 he's, but look, he would give us, you know, the sixth vote. I think we've got five. Um, so the,

00:09:16.420 I think there's no question, but, but one of the things that we on the right need to do, and Lindsay

00:09:21.120 Keith, you mentioned my show at six o'clock on New York, so we've had these conversations off and

00:09:24.840 on is I think we need to get ahead of the decision because the left is going to try to define whatever

00:09:30.140 it is as an overturning of Roe v. Wade and the end of abortion. Even if Roe was overturned, that's not

00:09:34.880 the end of abortion. I mean, Gavin Newsom just declared California sanctuary state, right? Where people

00:09:39.400 can come and have abortions at will, God willing. I mean, it's disgusting. God forbid, right? Yeah. 0.99

00:09:44.480 But, but, but the point is, is that all Roe did was codified at the federal level. Undoing Roe would

00:09:50.960 just say, there's nothing that it doesn't have anything to do with abortion. It has to do with

00:09:54.700 who has the ability to regulate it. And in this case, it would be thrown back to the States,

00:09:59.340 which it should be. Right. This, this is an important point because for all the fear mongering

00:10:04.680 from the left, uh, overrule of Roe versus Wade would change abortion laws in a number of States,

00:10:10.160 but then you would have say California or New York saying we're going to be sanctuaries,

00:10:13.960 which would then raise the prospect of interstate commerce. And maybe there'd be another federal

00:10:18.240 case about, about pro-life there. So one of the arguments I've heard from cynical Republicans

00:10:25.540 who maybe they're pro-life, maybe they're not pro-life, but they say, you know, regardless

00:10:29.640 of what happens with Roe, the only bad thing is it's going to hurt us in the midterms because if

00:10:33.600 they do overrule Roe, sure, it'll save millions of babies, but you know, we might, we might not win

00:10:38.220 back as many house seats as we want. Now, is this a legitimate fear? Do you think that it,

00:10:42.980 an overruling of Roe could, could harm us in 2022 or are we, do we have so much momentum behind us

00:10:48.540 that the house is ours? Well, first, no. Secondly, if you want to run for office and can't stand for

00:10:55.920 your convictions and get out of the game, um, if you can't sit there and say, I am a proud

00:11:01.640 supporter of life, I will do what I can to defend it and message it. Well, then get out of the

00:11:05.700 business. You're bad. I don't want people who can't defend it. Um, I think frankly, there's too

00:11:10.040 many people that defend it that do a bad job, do it. I'd rather have people who can get up there

00:11:13.780 and explain it well and talk about, I listened to governor Tate Reeves of Mississippi, um, a few

00:11:19.500 weeks ago. He did a phenomenal job. Um, there are ways. And, and I think the work that Susan B.

00:11:24.980 Anthony list, um, has been doing with these ads explaining from doctors, how technology has evolved

00:11:31.860 so that what we saw in, um, in a, um, sonogram back in 1973, isn't close to what we can see now.

00:11:38.720 The viability of life has clearly, uh, improved vastly, uh, weeks in terms of, uh, viability. Um,

00:11:46.160 and so I think we should be talking about that we should be promoting adoption. There's a lot of

00:11:50.140 things that the folks on the right should be doing ahead of that decision because in some way, shape

00:11:53.720 or form, the decision will somehow create a new debate. Um, even if it didn't get over, I mean,

00:11:59.380 no matter what tinkering it does. And so we should start now, we know the decision is likely to come

00:12:04.160 down in June. So let's get ahead of it. But if you're going to run for office as a Republican

00:12:08.440 and you can't stand up and say, I support life and I'm willing to do whatever it takes. And even if

00:12:15.560 it means losing my seat, then I don't want you representing the Republican party.

00:12:19.120 Well, on here, here, totally agree on this issue of the elections. I guess this does kind of bring us

00:12:25.840 back to the book radical nation, which is regardless of the issue of abortion. And a lot of polls show

00:12:32.100 that people actually are not all that motivated by supportive abortion, right? And I'm glad you

00:12:36.540 brought that up. That's the other thing. There's this false premise. I'm thank you for mentioning

00:12:39.780 this because there's this sense that somehow as an issue, it's a loser. I don't believe that.

00:12:44.980 It's also, so when you look at polls, I spent most of my life in the campaign world and there's an

00:12:50.100 issue. There's a, there's a big decision between whether it, whether you care about the issue and

00:12:54.940 whether you will vote on the issue. In other words, if you're a single issue voter, then yes,

00:12:59.800 that matters. But if you, abortion is one of 10 issues, like in other words,

00:13:03.960 is abortion a huge issue for me? Yes. Do I support candidates who are pro-life? Yes. But at the end

00:13:09.200 of a day, if it's a choice between a Democrat and a Republican, I'll still take the Republican. So in

00:13:13.900 other words, it's not where Republicans miss this sometimes is they think somehow if I don't agree

00:13:18.920 with the far left in the media, I'm going to lose. And that's not how it works.

00:13:22.620 Right. That's, it's a very important distinction. And I think the left knows it,

00:13:27.100 you know, they're, they're reading these polls pretty, pretty closely. Now on the subject of

00:13:31.300 the polls, Joe Biden, as we mentioned earlier, is, is underwater, is approval rating somewhere

00:13:36.480 around 38%. Kamala Harris incredibly is worse. Her approval rating is somewhere around 27%, 0.99

00:13:42.860 lower than Dick Cheney after, after the Iraq war's worst days and after shooting a man in the face.

00:13:48.340 So that's not good for her. Uh, you've got Buttigieg is very low. He's also around 37%,

00:13:53.580 38%. Rest of the cabinet, really, really low. So, okay. Maybe Joe Biden will be written about

00:13:59.560 in some history books as, as the new bar of leftism. Maybe he'll even get some post offices

00:14:04.680 named after him. But, but what is the white house thinking right now, pushing policies that are so

00:14:11.120 deeply unpopular that, that all of their numbers are in the gutter and it might kill them at the ballot

00:14:17.200 box. So it's funny. I have a chapter in the book, chapter five, Kamala Harris, president in waiting.

00:14:22.480 And I think this goes back to the point I made. Um, they chose her not because of her experience.

00:14:28.120 If you think about it, you go back, uh, Gore to Clinton, Cheney to Bush, uh, Biden to Obama,

00:14:34.840 right? These are all vice presidents that were able to augment their president experience in

00:14:41.100 government, in politics. Kamala Harris had four years in the Senate. She was chosen because the color of 1.00

00:14:46.360 her skin and her gender, that's it. So she can't excel. Cause she was, she was pushed up by her own 1.00

00:14:52.200 party in the primary process before Iowa. I mean, you're basically picking the team, the guy that gets

00:14:58.440 cut in the first round. You're like, yeah, I want him to be the team captain. It doesn't, I mean, and

00:15:04.300 then you wonder why you're like, Hey, the guy can't hit. No kidding. You know, it's, it's, you picked

00:15:09.840 the worst person. And then you wonder why their approval ratings at 28. I don't think it takes a

00:15:14.840 course in political science to figure it out. The bottom line is you pick the loser. And, um,

00:15:20.380 and so I'm not shocked by this. I don't know why anybody is shocked by this, but the reality is,

00:15:25.260 is that, um, they picked somebody who wasn't qualified to do it. And then the, the policy piece,

00:15:32.080 Michael comes back to what we were talking about. It's not about popularity. It's not about getting it

00:15:37.820 done. It's about how do I cement this legacy? So if I pass and remember, here's the dirty secret

00:15:42.680 that everybody needs to remember, they're going to lose the house. Nancy Pelosi has already announced

00:15:48.620 she's not running for reelection. So whether you lose the house by five or 20, who cares?

00:15:53.440 They realize is that I want to pass these progressive things, trillions of dollars in spending

00:15:57.840 that will addict people to government for future generations. I want to get more people to vote

00:16:02.380 that are not in this country legally because it will affect future generations of democratic power.

00:16:07.080 I can do all those things and who cares? Katie bar the door. I have 12 months to do them. I will

00:16:12.600 become the most heralded left-wing politician. So win-win this isn't about popularity and trying to,

00:16:19.880 to win a reelection. This is about becoming the most progressive president ever.

00:16:24.660 And, and I guess you see that even with the selection of Kamala Harris, because as you say,

00:16:29.040 she was the first one out. She was deeply unlikable, but now Joe Biden gets credit. He picked the

00:16:36.180 first woman vice president and she's a woman of color. He had said during the campaign,

00:16:40.180 I will pick a black woman to be vice president. So he, he had three choices in terms of prominent

00:16:45.560 black women on his side in politics. He had Kamala Harris, uh, uh, Carol Bass, Karen, Karen Bass, 0.95

00:16:52.480 rather, who is an actual communist, like actually has been a member of communist organizations and

00:16:58.240 Susan Rice, who was the fall man for Benghazi. So, so there was the one, you know, the one choice and

00:17:03.820 she happened to be extremely unlikable and it, and it is going to, to harm them. But I suppose

00:17:09.300 you're right. It's the, it's not just about the 2022 election or even the 2024 election.

00:17:14.760 It's about the long game. It's a leg, it's about the legacy, right? It's, this is about how will I

00:17:19.960 be remembered? And if, if we go down in history talking about all of this spending and what it

00:17:25.460 did to get people, because it's not just the spending, it's a bailout to trial lawyers. It's a

00:17:29.100 bailout to the media. Remember this is in build back better billions of dollars to trial lawyers,

00:17:33.960 billions to the media, billions to, you know, all of these other left-wing climate change stuff.

00:17:38.960 So he will be the, that guy that I talked about the North star that, well, Hey, Biden did it.

00:17:43.440 Biden got us this. Why can't you do it? Now, assuming that Kamala remains extremely unpopular

00:17:50.720 and assuming that Joe Biden doesn't know what his name is half the time, what do you say? I don't

00:17:56.460 want to make you pull out a crystal ball, but I sort of actually do want you to do that.

00:18:00.100 What do you see happening for the Democrats in 2024? You have a pretty good track record

00:18:04.300 calling what was going to happen under Biden. So what's going to happen next?

00:18:07.580 So I, under the current environment, I see Pete Buttigieg as the 2024 nominee. Um, now interestingly,

00:18:14.100 and I just want to make sure people understand this because in the book, I've got a chapter going

00:18:17.660 through what I call Biden Inc and Buttigieg is one of the people. And I talk about the fact that he's a

00:18:22.000 38 year old mayor of a small town in Indiana, South Bend had a hundred thousand people.

00:18:26.080 And 66 buses. So he wasn't exactly the best choice to lead a department that oversees our

00:18:32.460 airways, seaways and highways. That being said, the, the establishment left sees Buttigieg as the

00:18:40.320 future. He is articulate, good looking. Uh, he's a veteran. He can really articulate positions well

00:18:47.860 and, and, and debate. Well, those are all things that are true. I don't doubt any of those.

00:18:51.400 They look at him as the future. And because he's LBGTQ, he checks a box. He's not just a white dude, 0.91

00:18:58.280 right? He can say that he's, you know, part of the minority. And so to them, uh, and, and everyone

00:19:04.120 understands that Kamala Harris just doesn't have the qualities that endear herself to anybody.

00:19:10.620 And therefore, um, you know, he, to them, to, to these establishment folks in DC is the guy.

00:19:18.000 And I, I think that, look, here's the dirty secret. All the money that was passed in the

00:19:22.380 infrastructure bill, he gets to run around the country for the next three years being like,

00:19:27.040 Hey, it's me, mayor Pete with $4 billion going into communities and talking about bridges and

00:19:32.120 roads and helping them rebuild their communities. I mean, you couldn't ask for a better job if you

00:19:37.660 wanted to run for president in three years. That's extraordinarily perceptive because you

00:19:42.960 wonder when was the last transportation secretary that, that we saw become president? Well, look at

00:19:48.440 the build back better agenda. Look at what that really means. And, and they have like, they might

00:19:54.120 as well start using funds to build floats for the guy. This is going to be Buttigieg highway,

00:20:00.300 Buttigieg bridge to replace all those racist bridges that, that Buttigieg was so angry about. 0.97

00:20:05.040 And I think you're right that the man is Harvard educated, gay, and perfectly glib. He is the 0.96

00:20:14.960 ruling classes ideal. I mean, he is, he is their dream sort of candidate. And he's, he like Biden,

00:20:22.600 I suppose, probably doesn't believe a damn thing and is willing to lick his finger, put it up in the 0.82

00:20:27.660 air and figure which way the wind is blowing, which in the past four years or rather the past year and 0.63

00:20:33.940 for the total four years of the administration seem to be blowing pretty far to the left. If you want

00:20:38.480 to read about it and a really spot on assessment and prediction of what has been going on when a lot

00:20:44.360 of people got it wrong, you got to check out Radical Nation by Sean Spicer and Sean's excellent show,

00:20:51.300 Spicer and Company, six o'clock on Newsmax. Sean, thank you, of course, for coming on.

00:20:56.020 Thanks, Michael. Always a pleasure. Appreciate it.

The Michael Knowles Show - December 30, 2021

Biden's DANGEROUS Plan For America ｜ Sean Spicer

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