00:05:09.680Yeah, so other than I do have to I do have to ask you about it's very sad.
00:05:12.760It's very sad that Isabel Brown is not familiar with the great works of Morley Safer.
00:05:16.500I mean in the in the ranks I mean if we have to do like top five douchey anchors um and we have
00:05:24.660to exempt present company uh then who exactly would we put on that list of douchey I mean Scott
00:05:30.160Pelley ranks really high like the swarm factor on Scott Pelley was really really really high
00:05:35.680uh and so him going he may be apex predator you know in terms of the ones that that got that have
00:05:41.600gotten taken out. I mean, I still think it's hard to beat Dan Rather. I mean, just the entire
00:05:47.600experience. We're old enough. We lived through that. The pompousness around Rathergate, having
00:05:52.460a movie come out about it that entirely, it's tried to spin what happened there with a scandal
00:05:59.240that I'm sure happened probably when Isabel wasn't even alive. But one of the things that I think we
00:06:04.600can take away from this, I don't know if what Barry is doing will work. I don't know if it'll
00:06:09.400work as TV. But the truth is that these properties have all been so defunct for so long. And the only
00:06:15.300reason that people watch 60 Minutes in this day and age is that they fell asleep during a
00:06:20.820particularly bad NFL game on CBS and then just left their TV on. So that's the only reason we
00:06:27.840got that kind of lead in. I mean, I think that's true. I also think that this bizarre kind of
00:06:33.160false narrative that 60 Minutes was somehow objective journalism center, obviously not true.
00:06:37.620And I said right at the beginning when Barry took over CBS News that were it I, I would have just canned everyone who is the deep state CBS News because those people were definitely there.
00:06:46.640And I'm glad that I think retroactively she's having to clean house and I'm glad that she's doing it.
00:06:51.380OK, so I want to move on from a person who is not relevant to most of our lives, Scott Pelley, to the situation over in Iran.
00:06:58.760So obviously a lot of heartburn on, I think, all sides over what exactly the US strategy is over in Iran right now.
00:07:58.300You want to handle the Strait of Hormuz, UAE, Qatar, Saudi, go for it.
00:08:01.400I don't think that's what's going to happen.
00:08:02.560And then there's sort of the third case scenario, which is we do that stuff, but we don't bomb the oil fields, which I think is probably the most plausible at this point.
00:08:10.940Let's be clear. Every time the Trump administration says a deal is forthcoming, the Iranians try to dunk on him.
00:08:16.680And so there is no deal that is forthcoming that will be anything good.
00:08:19.580And I think that when people say, was this a good idea, was it a bad idea?
00:08:22.560Like every other war, you only know whether it was a good idea or a bad idea in retrospect.
00:08:27.140Some wars that start off bad and well, some wars that start off well and poorly.
00:08:31.520But we're not going to know until we hit the endgame here.
00:08:33.820But I don't know where you're at on this, man.
00:08:37.020So in the interest of adding some fire to the friendly fire, let me give the case from
00:08:42.020kind of the other side, even though I don't agree with it.
00:08:43.960The case from basically Republicans on Capitol Hill is that the Trump administration kind
00:08:49.300of went into this believing that they had plans that could deal with with Iran doing
00:08:55.140basically playing the cards that it's played with mining the straight, that they expected
00:09:00.040more help from the Europeans who obviously, you know, the ballistic missile program that the
00:09:05.980Iranians have can reach into basically every, you know, major city in Europe, particularly in
00:09:12.000Western Europe, which I think was a shock to people when they saw those concentric circles
00:09:15.720and the like, and that they, for some reason, you know, have been surprised by the way that
00:09:21.520the Iranians have approached this in a way that they shouldn't have been. I don't know that that's
00:09:25.560true or not, but that's basically the message that you hear when you talk to Republicans on
00:09:29.220Capitol Hill. And so they're just trying to save their asses. They're trying to basically say,
00:09:33.540you know, if we lose in November, then it's just going to be another impeachment and more
00:09:38.480investigations and all these other things. And so the president needs to wrap this up as quickly
00:09:43.360as possible so that we're going to have cheap gas prices in the summer. I don't think the president
00:09:47.620buys that at all. I think the president is basically saying, no, as he explicitly said
00:09:52.940this past week, you know, he doesn't care. He's not thinking about the midterms. He's thinking
00:09:56.600about the long term. He's thinking about Iran with a nuclear weapon. He's thinking about,
00:10:01.900you know, the future essentially and his legacy. And that does not necessarily matter when it
00:10:07.580comes to the plight of Republicans in the House of Representatives who spend more time just kind
00:10:13.340of picking at each other and fighting than they do actually doing anything functional.
00:10:17.200So from my perspective, that's basically what this tug of war has been. And Republicans on Capitol
00:10:22.080Hill are ticked off at him anyway because of the things that he's done when it came to Senate
00:10:26.200endorsements, the Cassidy thing, the Cornyn thing, you know, all this other stuff. And so I think
00:10:31.460they're just looking out for their, you know, they're just engaged in CYA and the administration
00:10:36.540is being affected by that. And that's why I think that they're kind of playing this in the way that,
00:10:41.500as you say, and I agree, doesn't make a lot of sense and doesn't really deal with the problem
00:10:46.780as it stands and could ultimately end up being just a bad deal. I think the one thing that we
00:10:52.260can have in terms of some confidence, though, is that the president doesn't want to be remembered
00:10:56.500for making a bad deal. He hated the Iran deal. He hated Barack Obama over it. And so the degree
00:11:02.960of confidence that you have in Donald Trump to kind of cut a good deal on this is basically the
00:11:08.420test here. Yeah. So, Isabel, where are you at on all this? Obviously, it didn't go, I think,
00:11:14.380so far as well as I would have wanted it to go, because I think, frankly, the president shouldn't
00:11:19.460cease-fired in late April, early May. I think that it hasn't gone nearly as poorly as critics
00:11:24.380of the war are suggesting, where they say it's a catastrophic failure for the United States. I
00:11:27.520just don't see any evidence at all that this is a quote-unquote catastrophic failure. But that
00:11:31.140in-between space is definitely an awkward space. Yeah, I don't think it's a secret that people are
00:11:36.320upset over this, Ben. In particular, people under the age of 40 or 35, this core young conservative
00:11:42.000voter base that did decisively deliver a victory to the Trump administration in November of 2024
00:11:47.380and cited no more involvement in foreign wars as one of the primary reasons for electing
00:11:52.760Donald Trump and J.D. Vance at the time.
00:11:54.860A lot of that came from people like Charlie Kirk, who regularly spoke out about this on
00:11:59.000his show leading up to the 2024 election and certainly was a key advisor to the Trump
00:12:03.160administration in those early months before his assassination last year.
00:12:06.860This seems to me to be one of the primary things that voters are paying attention to
00:12:11.320going into the midterm elections and certainly in deciding who the heir apparent and the
00:12:15.880next king will be going into 2028, although no kings. I got to be careful. No kings, no kings
00:12:20.920in America. That said, I wonder even if everything were to come to an end tomorrow, if that really
00:12:26.760would help the Republican Party going into the midterm elections. I don't know. And if I'm
00:12:31.140putting my Trump administration hat on, I'm probably betting on the fact that only once,
00:12:35.480I believe, in American history has the party that won the White House and a full sweep of Congress
00:12:40.200held on to that majority during the midterm elections. The status quo has always been that
00:12:44.640you can pretty much expect to lose at least the House, if not the House and Senate together
00:12:48.860come midterms. And it's a totally different realm of the presidency in those last two years in
00:12:53.160office. So I'm guessing he's probably thinking a lot more legacy rather than chances for the
00:12:57.900Republican Party at the midterms. Yeah, I mean, if you look at the midterms right now, I will say
00:13:02.760that obviously the polls are not good for Republicans. They weren't good before. As you
00:13:06.340say, it's kind of a normal pattern for the party in power to lose seats in the midterm election.
00:13:11.080And I think that people pre-gaming that if the Republicans lose, it's because of Iran as opposed to because of, say, the tariffs or because of the bad staffing decisions or because of these sort of bizarre slush funds or because of the corruption stories.
00:13:26.340There are a lot of factors that go into a bad election cycle, for sure.
00:13:29.780The biggest one being just sort of the systemic way that our elections work off your elections, don't go for the party in power.
00:13:34.340I will say that to me, the points of vulnerability for the Republicans in 2026 have very little to do with foreign policy and have a lot more to do with some of the candidates that are getting picked.
00:13:44.360So I think that if the Republicans were to lose the Senate, they're almost certainly going to lose North Carolina.
00:13:49.560One of the reasons they're going to lose North Carolina is because the president decided to go to war with Tom Tillis.
00:13:53.440The Republicans could win in Michigan where they normally would lose because the Democrats have picked a psycho over there.
00:13:59.660Susan Collins is suddenly looking like a more robust candidate in Maine than she would have probably in this particular election cycle because the Democrats picked a psycho.
00:14:07.920It's possible that the Republicans lose Iowa because it turns out that Republicans in Iowa in the primaries are selecting some candidates who are sort of not the Joni Ernst traditionalist Republicans of Iowa.
00:14:19.400They're a little more out of the box and they could lose that.
00:14:21.520So in the end, all these elections come down to sort of the sort of secular spirit of the election, the broad spirit of the election, and then they come down to candidate quality always.
00:14:31.240And I will say that there's some pretty differential candidate quality across the board here.
00:14:34.680If Republicans somehow lose the seat in Texas, for example, that will be both of those factors coming into play.
00:14:41.020I think that the Iran war, let's put it this way, if the Iran war were happening and the oil prices were not up, it wouldn't be about the Iran war.
00:14:47.640And so if the oil prices are down by the time of the election, then I think everybody basically is going to attribute the loss to other factors, if indeed there is an L for the Republicans.
00:14:56.200Well, and I also don't think we can discount the bad policy happening in Congress right now, too.
00:15:01.000I'm hearing more and more, especially in the social media realm from young voters, how disillusioned they are with Republican leadership in Congress, which often gets lumped in with this larger anger toward the Trump administration or falling approval rates toward the right at large.
00:15:14.820But make no mistake about it, one of the biggest things young voters are angry about right now is a bill introduced by a Republican in the House of Representatives from your home state of Florida, Ben, that's offering mass amnesty to 10 million illegal immigrants, including some who have already been deported from the United States under this dignidad status when there are 10 million unemployed Gen Zers living in America right now.
00:15:37.500So I think you're seeing a lot of this by the mainstream media and the 60 Minutes and CNNs of the world being conflated with failures of the Trump administration, when in reality, the Trump administration is really putting the gas to Congress here in Washington, D.C., but Congress is failing to act or acting completely not in their own self-interest, really losing the election for themselves up front.
00:15:58.740I just don't know why you would vote for a Republican.
00:16:01.460Like, I just, I don't hear their vocalization of like what they would actually offer us,
00:16:14.780And, you know, the fact that the Senate can't get its act together on so many different
00:16:18.500things, the fact that, you know, you've got this Republican leadership that just sort
00:16:21.780of seems like they're asleep at the wheel.
00:16:24.380I don't think they're doing themselves any favors either.
00:16:26.320So, you know, a lot of this, everybody says that all of this revolves around Trump, but like the anti-Trump base of the Democratic Party is going to be activated anyway.
00:16:33.640They're going to be completely, you know, dedicated to this.
00:16:35.860And we've seen that, you know, ever since this era began.
00:16:39.180But I just don't see a lot of Republican arguments for why they should keep their jobs, why they should be sent back that are really taking hold.
00:16:47.500And, you know, as Isabel said, the concerns about the the economy and energy prices are the driving actual issue here.
00:16:57.140There are fewer people who are complaining about the Iran war, even, you know, whatever the polls sort of say.
00:17:01.560It's more about how is this affecting me?
00:17:04.240And I don't see or hear Republicans talking about that at all in many cases, I think, because they don't know how to talk about it.
00:17:11.960And they've become so devoted to the Trump approach to politics that they're just kind of standing around waiting for him to say something so that they can all agree, which is not a way to win elections.
00:17:22.740I also think that when it comes to the Iran war, particularly the president keeps saying that basically don't you're not going to experience pain.
00:17:29.060Right. He's saying that with regard to the oil prices. Right. He's trying to talk the oil markets down.
00:17:32.960And the reality is that if you want to actually get the outcome that is the best outcome here, you will need to see a temporary price spike in oil.
00:17:39.240If he hits the oil facilities in Iran because he wants to get out and make it faster, then you will see a temporary spike and then it will come down.
00:17:45.220And that was sort of the original promise here was that this thing would be quick.
00:17:49.680And instead, if it seems to drag out, then even if the price spike is only moderate, like from $70 a barrel to $98 a barrel and not to $150 a barrel, people don't like slow moving disasters.
00:18:01.120actually the american people can take a fast-moving problem that solves itself fairly quickly a lot
00:18:06.480easier than they can take this kind of slow feeling of stagnation which is what you got under joe
00:18:10.740biden and i think that's the thing that trump is running up against by the way speaking of susan
00:18:14.140collins in maine running against an actual nazi you know the guy with the nazi i don't know i feel
00:18:18.560like it's fair john fetterman said it he's right if you have a nazi tattoo i feel like i can call
00:18:21.780you a nazi i feel like that's like fair enough what are our standards at this point in any case
00:18:26.020can i suggest something but but wait ben isn't now like particularly after what we've seen in
00:18:33.620the last couple weeks isn't the nazi tattoo kind of like not even in the top five things to be
00:18:37.900worried about with this guy like he had a kick account you know that he signed up for and took
00:18:42.600a picture of himself shirtless with an open toilet behind him like in a towel like it's it's
00:18:46.860like this guy seems like i'm not i'm i'm gonna put myself in a position of defending a totem
00:18:53.500i can't believe it i'm saying it's like i knew it ben i knew i knew it was just waiting here
00:18:59.360we're waiting to see who's gonna be the crypto nazi on the show the real question is the real
00:19:03.420question is did he just get the tattoo so that tucker would endorse him no to main voter tucker
00:19:08.500carlson yeah i can't imagine that he will not end up as a guest on that on that program at some
00:19:12.320point but calci markets by the way suggests that susan collins calci is one of our sponsors that
00:19:17.340Susan Collins, I believe, is at 46 percent to to win that seat.
00:19:22.220But you can see the massive drop there from just a couple of weeks ago, just a couple
00:19:26.960of weeks ago, the Democrats were up near like 70 percent.
00:19:30.200And now the Democrats are down in the in the 54 percent range and dropping quickly because
00:19:34.920it turns out that Susan Collins, by the way, is a survivor and she survived a thousand
00:22:10.040I mean, if you believe we're going to win, then I want I want some of what you're having, because, you know, again, I don't think 2026 is prime for but make us the optimistic case.
00:22:19.980No, I mean, I'll be frank with you, Ben. I do think that the Republican chances of controlling the Senate and possibly even maintaining control over the House are somewhat underrated.
00:22:32.360There's been a lot of redistricting that has happened at the House level, and that has not gone the way that Democrats anticipated the gerrymandering wars would go for them.
00:25:23.540had gotten across the finish line in Iowa, Republicans would be in a much stronger position
00:25:28.200right now. So that's not great. And we also have to look at the Senate election in that state where
00:25:34.840Democrats nominated the better option from their standpoint, Josh Turek, and not the other
00:25:40.960candidate who was the Elizabeth Warren endorsed kooky leftist. So yeah, Iowa Democrats have the
00:25:48.360right candidates in the right position, and they may break through. Iowa is not as red a state as
00:25:53.720some of these other places that we've been talking about. But I do think some of these other red
00:25:57.560states where Democrats think they can have a shot at making some ground, I don't really buy it.
00:26:02.840Ohio is one example. I think Vivek Ramaswamy is going to come through and secure the gubernatorial
00:26:07.380election there. John Husted, who's the Republican nominee for Senate, is a very solid guy,
00:26:13.320inoffensive by to pretty much everybody. And the Democratic candidate, Jared Brown, I mean,
00:26:19.060at one point would have been a pretty strong candidate when he was an incumbent. But it's a
00:26:22.660lot harder to pick yourself up off the mat once you've already lost and you're running from
00:26:26.460the outside. And then there's Nebraska, where Democrats seem to think they have a chance
00:26:31.020because they've nominated. Well, they haven't actually nominated him. They're throwing their
00:26:34.960support behind an independent named Dan Osborne, who is part and parcel with the Democratic Party.
00:26:42.760Everything you look down his issue priority list, he is a progressive far left Democrat.
00:26:49.900He's got the, you know, Israel obsessive gene.
00:26:52.600And they think this is what Democrats are deluding themselves into thinking.
00:26:56.320They think that Graham Plattner and and this guy in Nebraska, that they can fool white male voters into thinking that there's something different about them without any kind of ideological moderation.
00:27:10.300Republicans are actually doing the opposite.
00:27:11.860The president is allowing Susan Collins a little bit of wiggle room to to maneuver politically and buck the party when necessary.
00:27:19.660And I think that's a good thing. And it says good things about Donald Trump's political instincts.
00:27:26.440I wanted to follow up on one of the things that you mentioned.
00:27:29.480So you sorry, you've been paying attention to and concerned about your home state of Michigan nominating somebody who's pro-terrorist.
00:27:38.300that's not the only pro-terrorist person that we saw having some success lately. You know,
00:27:44.000you saw this situation in New Jersey. You saw, you know, some of these candidates who've percolated
00:27:49.100up. You know, one of the things that we talk about on this show and what we talk about at
00:27:53.180The Daily Wire regularly is how much the Democrats versus the Republicans is a fight between
00:27:58.580podcasters on the right of center side and actual candidates and politicians on the left.
00:28:06.720Talk to me about why these people are passing muster with even the likes of Chuck Schumer coming out and saying, you know, Plattner's going to win and we're going to beat Susan Collins as if, you know, depicting Susan Collins as if she's some kind of far right wing, you know, figure as opposed to somebody who crosses the party aisle, you know, constantly to work with Democrats.
00:28:28.500Why do you think that these candidates who are not just anti, you know, sending money
00:28:33.400to Israel, which is something that we've seen happen, you know, on both the right and the
00:28:37.120left as being something that percolates up, but they're, they go far beyond that.
00:28:40.680They're actually friends with terrorists.
00:39:53.940That's the kind of thing that I think a nation does when it just kind of spirals into itself
00:39:58.720and becomes this this this nation that basically just says, you know, we have to ban tweets.
00:40:03.880We have to ban people. We have to ban messages. We have to, because all of these things, they just accept that leftist idea that words are violence at the same time. Does it have to, do I have to have sympathies for Hassan Piker in this moment? I feel bad just to taking this position.
00:40:18.360No, you don't. I'll tell you why you don't.
00:40:20.520You are right about one. You are right about one thing, Ben, which is that this actually brings to mind Cheeky Chesterton's long essay about he doesn't have short ones about what he saw in America a little over 100 years ago when he came here.
00:40:34.660And he and he talked about that's where the line comes from of America being the only nation founded in a creed.
00:40:39.580He talked about the the the sort of optimistic, hopeful idea that one of the questions he had to ask on his immigration form was, are you an anarchist?
00:40:50.060Question mark. And like you have to the nation that believes that you should ask that question, believing you're going to get an honest answer, that there's something charming about that.
00:41:00.340We should be able to keep people out of this country who hate our country and mean it ill and want to support terrorism.
00:41:06.400and that should extend by the way to candidates for the u.s congress yeah you know one of the
00:41:11.920things there's this tweet so people we've all been on twitter for a long time for no good mental
00:41:16.220health reason and every so often somebody will bring up a tweet that's like 15 20 years old
00:41:20.340at this point and and one of the tweets that i get thrown back in my face a lot is a tweet that
00:41:24.300i wrote i don't know it must have been 10 years ago or something where i say i don't care about
00:41:27.040the browning of america i only care about the ideologies of the people in america and for some
00:41:31.600reason this is used as some sort of a dunk which i really don't understand frankly because i don't
00:41:35.840judge people on the basis of their skin color but i do judge them very harshly on the basis of
00:41:39.800their ideology your dunk is so much less damaging than mine which is uh what does it take to go on
00:41:47.720a date with megan mccain and me responding to it do not want
00:41:50.680yeah that one aged like sour milk for ben but
00:41:59.180i don't think you have a more owned tweet than there is nothing you have ever said
00:42:07.760that is because my wife will occasionally my wife will bring it up and she says but it turned out
00:42:12.940you did one oh my gosh i i have a similar thing not a public tweet like that but i remember i was
00:42:20.860on my fourth date with my wife and i turned to her and i said i really like you and she said
00:42:24.820she said to me i like things about you and i was like wow that's that's uh that i was like that
00:42:30.360and so now that we have uh princess leia stuff right there i know exactly we were at disneyland
00:42:36.600at the time we're actually at disneyland at the time and and i and i every so often we've been
00:42:40.920married almost 20 years at this point i do turn to her every so often and i'll be like well
00:42:44.340that's the fifth baby right there in your stomach so in your belly is our fifth child so i win you
00:42:49.460lose like that's the way that this works anyway but that tweet the sort of browning of america
00:42:53.300tweet, I will say it is kind of astonishing to me that that was ever a controversial tweet or
00:42:58.520remains one because the merit, obviously, of human beings doesn't lie in their melanin level.
00:43:03.840It lies in the ideas that they bring forth, which is why I'm very much of the view that if we were
00:43:08.940legally capable, we should expel people who hate the country from the country. I understand that
00:43:14.040we can't do that legally because, obviously, if you're born in America, you have legal rights to
00:43:17.980say and do pretty much whatever you want. It's one of the great things about America. But that
00:43:21.080does mean we have to be pretty selective about who we let into this place and one of the gigantic
00:43:24.840mistakes made by europe and by the united states that we are not selective at all for the past
00:43:28.780several decades no about who we let into our houses and now we turn around and everybody's
00:43:33.680spray painting the walls and pissing in the corners and we're all supposed to be shocked by
00:43:38.140this the other thing is the other thing is and this is what i mean this is kind of a key to
00:43:43.100just quickly this is the key to kind of luke rosiac's reporting over the last several weeks
00:43:47.960you know, and obviously over months that led up to it is this clash between low trust societies
00:43:54.120and high trust societies, people who come here who want to be Americans and become Americans
00:43:59.620and people who come here essentially as outposts within our society, trying to extract as much
00:44:05.560money out of our government systems, use them to their benefit, calling people racist for
00:44:10.380questioning it and then sending it back home. It's obscene. It's horrible. It damages the
00:44:15.900the interests of Americans themselves, particularly working class Americans.
00:44:19.700And the fact that the Republican Party was so unwilling, the coalition of the right was
00:44:24.140so unwilling to embrace this or even depicting people who did talk about this as being racist
00:44:29.400or on the outskirts or something like that, accepting this leftist argument for so many
00:44:32.600years that laid the foundation for why Donald Trump won in the first place.
00:44:37.720And it's still, I think, a lesson that these Republicans haven't learned.
00:44:41.220they still talk about this stuff just naturally as if we're in like 2002 and it's George W. Bush
00:44:47.140and we have to figure out things for guest workers and the like. This is a completely
00:44:51.040different population that you've imported over the last 20 years. And it's very different from
00:44:54.640the kind of people that you just talked about in the past who are workers who are going to come
00:44:58.140here and then go back home. That does not happen. They extract as much as they can from our taxpayers
00:45:02.960and they send it wherever they want. Well, and I'm just curious to throw out to the group here,
00:45:07.980feel free to agree or disagree or take this any way you want. I generally agree with the sentiment
00:45:13.320of that tweet, Ben, that anyone can make up their mind about anything. And certainly your skin color
00:45:18.040is not indicative of your intelligence level or your ability to have your own opinion formed
00:45:22.960independently from what you look like. That said, there is a really interesting and I think important
00:45:27.840cultural conversation happening in America right now, led by mostly young people, about certain
00:45:32.620cultures being incompatible with that of Western civilization. And largely, I'm thinking of Islam
00:45:37.700and those imported from the Islamic world,
00:46:36.340So in the absence of individual data, making a group judgment is just a natural thing that we all do, because obviously, how else are you going to make judgments?
00:46:43.840But when you have individual data, then you can allow that individual data and you should allow that individual data to trump the group data.
00:46:50.260And so there are two separate questions, say, about Muslim immigration to the United States.
00:46:55.360Some people will say, so you're saying that no Muslim can come to the United States and be a good citizen?
00:46:59.980it is quite possible that there can be a muslim or some muslims or many muslims who could come
00:47:04.520and be good citizens if they actually demonstrate specifically and individually that they're going
00:47:09.220to be good citizens but if you look at islamic culture in say pakistan the idea that you could
00:47:13.380mass migrate a million pakistanis to the united states and on average that is going to work out
00:47:18.180well for the united states that is a really ridiculous proposition and the same thing
00:47:21.880of course you can have cultural distinctions i think that what what you've seen from the the
00:47:25.880some parts of the fringe right is the inability to distinguish between cultural differentiation
00:47:30.820and racial differentiation, right? The idea will be, and that's where you get into actual
00:47:35.040discrimination where it's like, okay, I know that guy. He lives next to me. I know him really,
00:47:39.160really well. He's a good American citizen. And I wouldn't let him in even knowing him because
00:47:43.300there's a group data that on average people are like this. And that is a bit of a different thing.
00:47:48.640That's how I would kind of break down. I think Sowell does a really good job of breaking down
00:47:51.680that typology. But again, I think that, you know, there's been a couple of false binaries that have
00:47:57.040been injected into the right on these politics. You see it all the time where it's like, I get
00:48:01.160the feeling these days that basically all politics has been depixelated, right? We've sort of made
00:48:05.540everything very blunt and stupid and not nuanced. And so to take an example of sort of the free
00:48:10.080speech debate, right? There's this idea that you see from somebody like Britain is not doing free
00:48:14.820speech when they won't allow Chank or Hassan into their country. They're not doing free speech.
00:48:19.780It's like free speech is not the proposition that you get to go to every foreign country that you want and spew whatever malignity that you want in a foreign country.
00:48:26.740That is not the proposition. And free speech is not even the proposition that anything that you can say is morally equivalent to anything else that you can say.
00:48:33.620I see that one pop up a lot where it's like, well, you question somebody's you and they say it's not even free speech is not even remotely a value of the United Kingdom.
00:48:41.280So you're having a pointless argument at that point.
00:48:43.560to at all. Exactly. But everything just gets depixelated all the time. And so I feel the
00:48:48.020same thing about the sort of what is an American debate. The what is an American debate? The answer
00:48:51.180is like all of the above, right? Yes, of course, we have a specific time involved in a particular
00:48:56.560way. Yeah. Can I ask you a question prompted by the social media expressions that we've seen over
00:49:02.360the past couple of weeks? Do you think that these people who rail about like how much this country
00:49:06.760has changed and fallen away from from, you know, values that they only recently discovered, let's
00:49:12.960say um do you think that they want to import all of moscow into america because it sure seems like
00:49:18.240that over the past week the way that they've been talking about the glorious you know uh christianity
00:49:23.480that they find uh on their paid trips to russia i mean it's it's just insane some of the stuff
00:49:29.840that they've been saying oh that's an astonishing laughable i i find it laughable because i actually
00:49:35.580so i love like one of the things that i uh you know uh have a disagreement about with with certain
00:53:03.340And please, like, you know, go back and read some Turgenev, go back and read some, you know, Russian literature is great.
00:53:11.760What it will teach you is to hate communism and hate everything that it produced within the Russian culture.
00:53:18.580To put this into perspective for my generation and God forbid our children who are going to have a whole heck of a time growing up like this,
00:53:24.980Even Russian oriented literature or warnings about, I don't know, the implications of Stalinism, like Animal Farm, are now being turned into cartoon movies for children that actually dunk on capitalism as the source of all evil in society now.
00:53:40.280And somehow George Orwell is rolling over in his grave over all of this.
00:53:43.160So I think it's really fashionable right now to just be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, even if it flies in the face of objective reality.
00:53:52.040And that certainly generates a whole lot of clicks and engagement on social media.
00:53:55.460But I am also starting to see young people realize that not everything is a conspiracy
00:54:01.140just because a whole lot of big, important things happened to be a conspiracy in the
00:54:18.680They want suggestions for what they can actually do to safeguard their culture from an individual decision-making perspective.
00:54:25.600I think the answer is really easy in America for how you fight the demographic shift.
00:54:29.640It's not to mass import people who hate your country and want to destroy it.
00:54:33.420It certainly isn't to mass import people from other cultures that do not share our foundational values of Christianity, like the faux Christianity that we see in Russia.
00:54:42.620I think it's really simple. Make more babies and go to church and exercise your civic duty and
00:54:47.660voting and understand how our society works. When you can reframe all of this away from
00:54:52.560the click engagement and the disgusting stuff that you see on X, and you actually can tell
00:54:56.940young people you can be the solution to this, I think it's really meaningful. And there's not a
00:55:01.420lot of people doing that. Well, on that positive note, once again, I just want to remind you
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