The Michael Knowles Show - October 20, 2025


Catholic vs. Protestant： ＂Did We See A Miracle？＂ YES or NO With Ruslan KD

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liturgy and Protestant decline doctrine development cultural appropriation in music
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Michael Knowles
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Alex O'Connor Ruslan KD Forrest Frank John Henry Newman Kanye Eamon Hillman Tom McDonald Heil Hitler Wes Huff Jeb Bush Michael Armenia John Paul II Sabrina Carpenter Richard Dawkins Sola Scriptura Pope Benedict Martin Luther Pope Francis Indie Tribe and 26 more
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On this week's episode of Yes or No, the boys debate whether Catholics or Protestants are more difficult to debate, and who knows who knows better: the Catholics or the Protestants. Plus, a wager between the boys on the future of the Catholic and Protestant churches.

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00:00:00.000 Are ortho bros more difficult to debate than Catholics? 0.99
00:00:05.000 Oh, man.
00:00:06.000 You can't pin them down on anything.
00:00:08.000 Well, they would say that you guys are the ones that are schismatic.
00:00:11.000 They say all sorts of stuff in Greek. Who even speaks that?
00:00:26.000 Welcome to Yes or No.
00:00:30.000 Okay, you don't have to applaud.
00:00:32.000 The bibulous...
00:00:33.000 All right, that's good.
00:00:36.000 Yes or No is the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better.
00:00:40.000 My guest today, obviously there's a lot of excitement.
00:00:43.000 All these people packed into the audience because they wanted to meet him.
00:00:46.000 Ruslan KD, how do we play?
00:00:48.000 I will ask Ruslan a yes or no question.
00:00:50.000 He will select his answer away from my prying eyes.
00:00:53.000 Then I will guess how he answered.
00:00:55.000 If I guess correctly, I get a point.
00:00:57.000 If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point.
00:01:00.000 No matter what, I will probably end up drinking.
00:01:03.000 Then it's Ruslan's turn.
00:01:05.000 Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand.
00:01:07.000 Whoever has the most points at the end wins.
00:01:09.000 The stakes could be higher.
00:01:11.000 Ruslan, thank you for coming on the show.
00:01:13.000 Hey, thank you for having me, Michael.
00:01:15.000 Now I want you to know something.
00:01:16.000 I have not had lunch yet.
00:01:17.000 Okay.
00:01:18.000 I was plied with nicotine by my producer.
00:01:22.000 And I have this martini in front of me.
00:01:25.000 Okay.
00:01:26.000 So if you lose, are we going to get a bunch of excuses?
00:01:28.000 I didn't get enough calories.
00:01:29.000 I'm already setting that up now.
00:01:30.000 Okay.
00:01:31.000 Yes, that's the setup.
00:01:32.000 But I want there to be a wager, okay?
00:01:33.000 All right.
00:01:34.000 So, I'm a gambling man.
00:01:37.000 I see.
00:01:38.000 I say if I win, you have to come back and do one of my panels.
00:01:42.000 Okay.
00:01:43.000 And when you're in town, if the stars align, we'll make the stars align.
00:01:48.000 Latin mass.
00:01:49.000 Okay.
00:01:50.000 That's fair.
00:01:51.000 All right.
00:01:52.000 That's fair.
00:01:53.000 What's your wager?
00:01:54.000 That's fair.
00:01:55.000 My wager is if I win, you get to come to my Bless God Summit in San Diego, California,
00:02:00.000 March 5th, 6th, and 7th, and be on a panel regarding Catholic Protestant affairs.
00:02:06.000 So if you win, I get a speaking gig.
00:02:10.000 Yeah.
00:02:11.000 Okay.
00:02:12.000 Unpaid speaking, because we can't afford your fee.
00:02:14.000 That's fair enough.
00:02:15.000 I thought Armenians were better at driving hard negotiations and bargains. 1.00
00:02:18.000 Okay.
00:02:19.000 That's good.
00:02:20.000 I'm in.
00:02:21.000 All right.
00:02:22.000 Here we go.
00:02:23.000 All right.
00:02:24.000 Here we go.
00:02:25.000 Do you know the rules?
00:02:26.000 I think so.
00:02:27.000 Okay.
00:02:28.000 That makes one of us.
00:02:29.000 Yes.
00:02:30.000 Since you're a man, I will go first.
00:02:31.000 If you were a lady, I'd say you go first. 1.00
00:02:32.000 Okay.
00:02:33.000 Ready?
00:02:34.000 All right.
00:02:35.000 Is the first step for Protestant churches to match the rise in traditional Catholic attendance
00:02:39.000 to reform the laser light show concerts in their worship services?
00:02:44.000 Okay.
00:02:45.000 I actually have, I have thoughts on this question, but I'll save them before I have to guess
00:02:51.000 your answer.
00:02:53.000 So you put your answer down and then I have to guess what you would say.
00:02:57.000 Who wrote this question?
00:02:59.000 This, actually an evangelical Protestant wrote this question.
00:03:02.000 Okay.
00:03:03.000 Who I think has gone to a few laser light shows in his life.
00:03:06.000 It's an inch to reform the laser light show concerts in their worship.
00:03:09.000 Gosh, this is a good one.
00:03:11.000 This is a good one.
00:03:12.000 Oh man.
00:03:13.000 All right.
00:03:16.000 You would say.
00:03:17.000 No.
00:03:18.000 Correct.
00:03:19.000 I would question the premise.
00:03:20.000 Now that Catholicism and specifically traditional versions of Catholicism, they are spiking right 0.98
00:03:35.000 now, but I don't think Protestantism is suffering very much.
00:03:40.000 I don't think Protestantism in the evangelical way is declining exactly.
00:03:45.000 And in some ways I think it's actually since Charlie's murder, I think it's gone up along
00:03:51.000 with all sort of Christian traditions.
00:03:53.000 But no, you would say it's not the liturgy that's leading to the decline where it exists.
00:03:59.000 So what's driving it?
00:04:00.000 Well, I actually think the entire question is, is interesting to say the least, because
00:04:05.000 according to our mutual friend, Trent Horn, Protestants aren't losing attendance.
00:04:09.000 According to him, it's the Catholics that are losing attendance with the data that he reacted.
00:04:13.000 Because we're getting adult conversions a lot, but because there's infant baptism, a lot
00:04:19.000 of people, they go and they have a lunch afterward, but no one's ever really practicing the faith
00:04:24.000 all that much.
00:04:25.000 So for every one adult convert, you're getting like eight cradle Catholics who are leaving.
00:04:30.000 That's exactly what he pointed out.
00:04:31.000 Yeah.
00:04:32.000 Yeah.
00:04:33.000 Well, it means that we've got to be tougher on these parents.
00:04:37.000 I'm a godfather because I'm Sicilian, but also because I have this role in different kids' lives.
00:04:43.000 We've got to get tougher.
00:04:44.000 I think that certain Protestant traditions are losing people.
00:04:48.000 Like the, I don't know, does anyone go to Methodist churches anymore?
00:04:52.000 Methodists had a big schism recently over the LGBTQ thing.
00:04:55.000 The, I went, I was at the National Prayer Service at the inauguration, that bishopress lady who, 0.98
00:05:01.000 first of all, that alone is a problem, but then she basically took the opportunity to scold 0.99
00:05:05.000 Trump on immigration or whatever.
00:05:06.000 Yeah.
00:05:07.000 That was awful.
00:05:08.000 I think the mainline churches on the Protestant side have emptied out, but I don't think it's
00:05:14.000 just because of liturgy.
00:05:15.000 The Episcopalians have better liturgy than any of the other Protestants. 0.73
00:05:18.000 Mm-hmm.
00:05:19.000 It's because of the teaching.
00:05:20.000 Mm-hmm.
00:05:21.000 The teaching has just been watered down, so they have rainbow flags outside their buildings.
00:05:25.000 Spot on.
00:05:26.000 Yeah.
00:05:27.000 That's the issue, right?
00:05:28.000 Yeah.
00:05:29.000 We've had record-breaking attendance back to back to back to back to back for the past
00:05:33.000 year, but the past several weeks, every single week there's more and more people.
00:05:38.000 And we don't have laser light shows at my church.
00:05:41.000 We actually meet in an old Episcopalian building, but we would probably be like a modern evangelical
00:05:46.000 type church.
00:05:47.000 Yeah.
00:05:48.000 Because that building can go one of two ways.
00:05:50.000 Assuming we're not getting it back from Henry VIII, you know, in the UK, it's going
00:05:54.000 to go one of two ways.
00:05:55.000 Yeah.
00:05:56.000 It's either going to be low church Protestant, you know, non-denom evangelical stuff, or it's
00:06:00.000 going to become a mosque.
00:06:01.000 Yeah.
00:06:02.000 Those are kind of the two choices.
00:06:03.000 Yeah.
00:06:04.000 Or they're going to tear down and build condos.
00:06:05.000 Yeah.
00:06:06.000 Condos or a coffee shop.
00:06:07.000 Yes.
00:06:08.000 Or a coffee shop.
00:06:09.000 Okay.
00:06:10.000 You're up.
00:06:11.000 All right.
00:06:12.000 All right.
00:06:13.000 All right.
00:06:14.000 And others like him.
00:06:15.000 Is a new atheist movement forming?
00:06:20.000 New new atheist, I guess.
00:06:21.000 The new new.
00:06:22.000 The neo new.
00:06:23.000 The neo new.
00:06:24.000 The neo new atheist.
00:06:25.000 Oh man.
00:06:26.000 What would I say?
00:06:27.000 Hmm.
00:06:28.000 I think he would say no.
00:06:33.000 Correct.
00:06:34.000 Yes.
00:06:35.000 You know what's forming is Alex O'Connor is going to become Christian. 0.96
00:06:38.000 Right?
00:06:39.000 I don't know about that.
00:06:40.000 You don't think so?
00:06:41.000 You think he's hardcore about it?
00:06:42.000 I think that Alex is a gentleman that's built an amazing platform and built almost a
00:06:49.000 cult of personality on being a non-combative non-believer.
00:06:53.000 Yeah.
00:06:54.000 But when you get deeper with him on like, hey, Alex, have you read the entire Bible?
00:06:58.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:59.000 Hey, Alex, have you gone to church recently?
00:07:01.000 Hey, Alex, like, have you wrestled through these things?
00:07:03.000 In my opinion, they're unfortunately very shallow answers to those questions.
00:07:07.000 I totally agree.
00:07:08.000 Yeah.
00:07:09.000 And I really like Alex O'Connor.
00:07:10.000 Mm-hmm.
00:07:11.000 I've, in fact, I don't know if I'm telling tales out of school.
00:07:12.000 I've dined with him with, you know, priests.
00:07:14.000 He's very charismatic and sweet guy.
00:07:16.000 Yes.
00:07:17.000 But that to me is a good sign.
00:07:18.000 Mm-hmm.
00:07:19.000 Because the fact that he's very sharp, he has all these great things.
00:07:24.000 We're flattering him to no end.
00:07:26.000 But the fact that he doesn't have hardcore answers to all of those questions, to me says,
00:07:32.000 the moment, he's obviously curious.
00:07:34.000 He probably hangs out with more Christians than he hangs out with atheists.
00:07:37.000 The moment that he really starts to keep following that, he's gonna become Christian.
00:07:42.000 There's no new atheism.
00:07:43.000 The new atheism is old and it's dead.
00:07:46.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:07:47.000 It's not going anywhere.
00:07:48.000 It made so many promises to our society that the more secular we become and we'll have
00:07:53.000 this scientific revolution and everybody will be more rational.
00:07:56.000 Yeah.
00:07:57.000 And then you fast forward that out 25 years and they've delivered on none of those promises.
00:08:00.000 Yeah.
00:08:01.000 Even the book, Hitchens wrote that book, God Is Not Great, which doesn't even make that
00:08:05.000 argument.
00:08:06.000 It doesn't even, that's not even the point of the book.
00:08:08.000 The point is, you know, I don't, Christians have done things that I don't like. 1.00
00:08:11.000 But fast forward now, 20 years after new atheism, Richard Dawkins is calling himself a cultural
00:08:17.000 Christian.
00:08:18.000 And getting canceled.
00:08:19.000 And getting canceled.
00:08:20.000 For basic biology.
00:08:21.000 Because he saw the conclusion of the new atheism, which is Islam. 0.99
00:08:24.000 Yeah.
00:08:25.000 In his country, in the UK, right?
00:08:27.000 So, yeah, that's done.
00:08:30.000 And I kind of hold out hope for Mr. O'Connor.
00:08:32.000 Alex, if you're watching this, you can come.
00:08:34.000 When I win and Ruslan comes to Latin Master, you're welcome.
00:08:37.000 There's a seat for you.
00:08:38.000 Yeah.
00:08:39.000 There actually isn't a seat.
00:08:40.000 We'll make a seat for you.
00:08:41.000 Make a seat.
00:08:42.000 All right.
00:08:43.000 Yeah.
00:08:44.000 All right.
00:08:45.000 So, now you're picking one.
00:08:46.000 Clear the answers.
00:08:47.000 Okay.
00:08:48.000 Are ortho bros more difficult to debate than Catholics? 0.99
00:08:51.000 Oh, man.
00:08:53.000 Oh, gosh.
00:08:55.000 That is a good question.
00:08:56.000 I could see that cutting both ways, even the meaning of the question.
00:09:00.000 Are ortho bros more difficult?
00:09:02.000 Yeah.
00:09:03.000 More...
00:09:04.000 Okay.
00:09:05.000 All right.
00:09:06.000 Ortho bros more difficult. 0.58
00:09:08.000 Can I ask for a clarifying question?
00:09:10.000 Yes.
00:09:11.000 I've already given my answer to what you're going to answer.
00:09:12.000 Yeah.
00:09:13.000 So, how would you define difficult?
00:09:14.000 Like, are they more difficult and unpleasant?
00:09:17.000 Not that they're...
00:09:18.000 Well, that too.
00:09:20.000 I would say you leave the debate with the ortho bros, and you say that was a more tedious
00:09:30.000 experience than the debate with the Catholic.
00:09:33.000 Whether or not you won, you lost, you feel you persuaded, or other...
00:09:36.000 Okay.
00:09:37.000 You just...
00:09:38.000 I'm saying you leave the debate.
00:09:39.000 Exhausted.
00:09:40.000 Exhausted.
00:09:41.000 You say that was difficult.
00:09:42.000 That was difficult.
00:09:44.000 Of course.
00:09:45.000 Yeah.
00:09:46.000 Of course.
00:09:47.000 Yeah.
00:09:48.000 Right.
00:09:49.000 This is where it gets good.
00:09:50.000 Yeah.
00:09:51.000 So, what I love about Catholics is that...
00:09:53.000 And I don't know if this is official language or not official language, but you guys acknowledge
00:09:57.000 doctrinal development.
00:09:58.000 Yes.
00:09:59.000 You could say, hey...
00:10:00.000 St. John Henry Newman was a great, great articulator.
00:10:01.000 Yeah.
00:10:02.000 You guys would say, hey, the church is the magistrate, and so on and so forth, and so stuff
00:10:07.000 has developed over time.
00:10:08.000 Yeah.
00:10:09.000 Which I think is beyond reasonable to say.
00:10:12.000 Yes.
00:10:13.000 What the apostles believed in practice is not necessarily what churches believe today,
00:10:17.000 on both sides, Catholics, Protestant, Orthodox.
00:10:19.000 Or the real...
00:10:20.000 Now, the fear of development of doctrine, which is articulated very well by John Henry Newman,
00:10:24.000 who was Anglican, actually, and then he became...
00:10:26.000 He was very anti-Catholic.
00:10:27.000 He becomes Catholic, becomes a saint, becomes a doctor of the church, like three weeks ago.
00:10:32.000 He would say that true development of doctrine is something that was always there, that was often
00:10:37.000 practiced and understood, but is articulated later on, or comes to a fuller understanding
00:10:42.000 later on, often in response to challenges to that traditional teaching.
00:10:47.000 So the way Catholics think about heresies, say we don't like heresies, they've been heresies 1.00
00:10:51.000 since day one, but they're great in the sense that they allow the church then to clearly define
00:10:58.000 her teaching on Gnosticism, on the sexes, on the Immaculate, all the way up to the Immaculate
00:11:05.000 Conception, say, so that the doctrine is, you know, becomes clearer over time.
00:11:12.000 The way it can be abused by liberals, in the church even, is to say, well, the church used
00:11:18.000 to say that, you know, marriage is between a man and a woman, but doctrine is developed
00:11:21.000 and now it's between two guys and a billy goat.
00:11:23.000 You say, well, hold on, that's not a development, that's a change.
00:11:26.000 That's an innovation.
00:11:27.000 That's contrary to scripture, that's out.
00:11:29.000 Right.
00:11:30.000 But the liberals do use it that way.
00:11:31.000 Yeah.
00:11:32.000 That's helpful.
00:11:33.000 I think the idea that they, the development is only in as good as what they actually believed.
00:11:39.000 Yeah.
00:11:40.000 I think that would be my issue with both the Orthodox and the Catholic, is that when I read
00:11:45.000 and I go back and I'm trying to understand Polycarp, I'm trying to understand these apostles,
00:11:49.000 the disciples of the apostles.
00:11:50.000 Justin Martyr.
00:11:51.000 Yeah.
00:11:52.000 I think there's a pretty big chasm between what they taught and believed and what is
00:11:56.000 expressed.
00:11:57.000 And what I appreciate about Catholics was doctrinal development tends to kind of acknowledge
00:12:02.000 that a little bit, whereas the Orthodox will say, no, this is the exact faith that the
00:12:07.000 apostles practiced.
00:12:08.000 Yes.
00:12:09.000 So regardless of what you think about any particular doctrine, you say, well, I don't see
00:12:13.000 that in the writings of Ignatius of Antioch.
00:12:15.000 Yep.
00:12:16.000 But at the very least, the Catholics will say, well, here's why you think you don't see 0.88
00:12:20.000 it and here's why I think it's here and here's why it seems different.
00:12:23.000 Whereas the Orthodox, the Orthodox will say, this was always what was taught and we haven't 0.54
00:12:27.000 changed a jot or tittle.
00:12:28.000 I hear there's a Catholic party happening.
00:12:30.000 Mind if I jump in?
00:12:31.000 Oh, yes.
00:12:32.000 Hi, Isabel.
00:12:33.000 Nice to meet you.
00:12:34.000 I'm coming through for the day.
00:12:35.000 Do you mind if I sit in for a little bit?
00:12:36.000 Please do.
00:12:37.000 Can I jump in?
00:12:38.000 Feel free to shout from the sides.
00:12:39.000 I love that.
00:12:40.000 Oh, thank you.
00:12:41.000 Wait a minute.
00:12:42.000 Can I phone in Wes Huff?
00:12:43.000 What is going on?
00:12:44.000 You can't get Isabel.
00:12:45.000 That's not fair.
00:12:46.000 I promise I won't weigh in.
00:12:47.000 We barred Wes Huff from the premises actually.
00:12:48.000 Okay.
00:12:49.000 Not allowed.
00:12:50.000 I thought you were going to say the reason it's more exhausting to debate the orthobros 0.99
00:12:55.000 is because there's no unity of belief.
00:12:59.000 They've had these different patriarchs forever.
00:13:01.000 Historically speaking, again, there are no orthobros in the house, so I'm not going to 1.00
00:13:05.000 be physically assaulted.
00:13:06.000 Oh, they're going to clip this and destroy us, just so you know.
00:13:09.000 Typically, in the history of the church, going back to antiquity, challenges to doctrine,
00:13:14.000 also known as heresies, tended to come from the east.
00:13:19.000 Now, the orthobros could shoot those down too, but a lot of these doctrines, Arianism 0.91
00:13:25.000 took a lot of hold in the east, all sorts of things.
00:13:28.000 Arianism also had some issues in the west, but we stamped it out. 1.00
00:13:31.000 That, because of that, you know, with the Catholics, we can say, look, to quote St. 0.54
00:13:37.000 Augustine, Rome has spoken, the issue is settled.
00:13:39.000 He said that on Arianism, actually.
00:13:41.000 In the east, they'd say, well, you know, patriarch, you know, Papadopoulos said like
00:13:47.000 five minutes ago that, you know, you have to have lamb in your soufflaki and not chicken.
00:13:51.000 But then the other guy.
00:13:52.000 You're torturing the orthodoxy.
00:13:53.000 No, I'm just, no, listen, I have a great, they have great liturgy.
00:13:56.000 I'm mostly salty because I can't grow the beard.
00:13:59.000 I would be Catholic too if I couldn't grow the beard.
00:14:02.000 Yeah, of course.
00:14:04.000 They will say, well, no, actually, there's this other tradition.
00:14:07.000 There's this mystical tradition that actually says something different.
00:14:09.000 And so, the thing that I find exhausting about debating our beloved brothers in orthodoxy
00:14:15.000 is you can't pin them down on anything.
00:14:18.000 Whereas, you know, even in antiquity and through the Middle Ages, you'd have Eastern bishops come
00:14:25.000 before the great system.
00:14:26.000 You'd have Eastern bishops come.
00:14:27.000 They'd all agree to something, right?
00:14:28.000 And then they'd go back and the emperor would say something different
00:14:31.000 and they'd like kind of ignore the council.
00:14:32.000 And so, you can't say, well, you guys believe this, right?
00:14:35.000 And they say, well, but we also kind of believe this.
00:14:38.000 Let me ask you this.
00:14:39.000 So, to kind of throw a bone to my orthodox brothers and sisters,
00:14:43.000 do you think that they have maintained a closer tradition?
00:14:46.000 Not to the apostolic church, but to the three or four hundreds when a lot of these are transformed?
00:14:52.000 Would you acknowledge that?
00:14:53.000 I would go further.
00:14:54.000 I would say, yes, they do have a great connection to the apostolic church
00:14:58.000 because they have apostolic succession, because they have, generally speaking, valid sacraments,
00:15:04.000 because their liturgy, I'll throw them onto the orthodox, their liturgy is much more beautiful
00:15:08.000 than a lot of what passes for modern liturgy and Catholicism.
00:15:11.000 So, no, listen, I'm being tough on them.
00:15:13.000 I actually do have a great deal of respect for the orthodox, but it's the point of unity.
00:15:18.000 You know, there are four marks of the church, one holy, catholic, and apostolic in the Nicene Creed.
00:15:23.000 And so, yes, they've got the apostolic, sure, let's say it's holy.
00:15:29.000 You know, they've got, they claim to some kind of universality.
00:15:32.000 But where's the unity?
00:15:33.000 You know, the unity, this is really where the primacy of Rome comes in.
00:15:38.000 But that was always a point between us and the East. 0.81
00:15:40.000 Well, they would say that you guys are the ones that are schismatic.
00:15:42.000 They say all sorts of stuff in Greek.
00:15:44.000 Who even speaks that, you know?
00:15:46.000 And you just wave it off?
00:15:47.000 Yeah.
00:15:48.000 Hold on one second.
00:15:49.000 Go to helixsleep.com slash Knowles.
00:15:51.000 Sometimes you don't get good sleep at night, okay?
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00:17:03.000 Ruth lines up.
00:17:04.000 Okay.
00:17:05.000 Yes.
00:17:06.000 All right.
00:17:07.000 Do you have any idea where the Pope and the Vatican as a whole stand on the death penalty, global warming, and illegal immigration?
00:17:18.000 And you have to guess how I would answer.
00:17:23.000 Yes.
00:17:24.000 Do you have any idea where the Pope and the Vatican as a whole stand on the death penalty, global warming, and illegal immigration?
00:17:30.000 Yes.
00:17:31.000 Yes.
00:17:32.000 Yeah, I know where the Vatican stands.
00:17:35.000 And again, it's kind of mixing those issues together because the death penalty is a little different than, say, global warming.
00:17:43.000 Global warming is a kind of prudential matter for the civil authority that is not entirely within the competency of the Holy See.
00:17:49.000 Death penalty is a little different.
00:17:51.000 And so for the entire history of the church, death penalty was fine under certain circumstances.
00:17:58.000 Church would today say...
00:17:59.000 Like burning heretics of the state.
00:18:01.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:18:02.000 We need to bring a little more of that back, frankly, but that's a topic for another time.
00:18:06.000 But in principle, capital punishment is okay under certain circumstances.
00:18:10.000 Okay.
00:18:11.000 So the church would say today, well, that teaching remains true.
00:18:14.000 Okay.
00:18:15.000 The death penalty is okay under certain circumstances.
00:18:17.000 The question is over a prudential matter.
00:18:21.000 Are those circumstances satisfied today?
00:18:23.000 Because the death penalty comes from the book of Genesis, right?
00:18:26.000 Whosoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed.
00:18:29.000 For man is made in the image and likeness of God.
00:18:31.000 Because of human dignity, we have the death penalty.
00:18:34.000 And St. Paul says civil authority doesn't bear the sword in vain.
00:18:38.000 That was clear enough.
00:18:39.000 Some popes carried it out, including blessed Pius IX who oversaw 500 executions in the papal states.
00:18:45.000 John Paul II says, yeah, it's fine in principle, but I oppose it practically because modern society allows us to protect society from the perpetrators.
00:18:53.000 So you don't need to carry it out today.
00:18:56.000 Pope Benedict said much the same thing after JP II.
00:18:59.000 He said, look, reasonable minds can disagree on this, but practically I oppose it.
00:19:03.000 Pope Francis comes in and he says, the death penalty is morally inadmissible.
00:19:09.000 This is in the catechism.
00:19:10.000 So this is not an ex catheter teaching on faith and morals, you know, without error or officially pronounced.
00:19:15.000 It's just, he says it's morally inadmissible.
00:19:18.000 He doesn't say it's intrinsically evil because he can't, because that would contradict scripture and 2000 years of church teaching.
00:19:25.000 So he says, morally, what is that word?
00:19:27.000 It's a little dubious.
00:19:28.000 Pope Leo has basically maintained that and says, we work toward the abolition of the death penalty.
00:19:33.000 Okay.
00:19:34.000 Again, that's a prudential practical matter.
00:19:36.000 Unlike, what was the other?
00:19:37.000 He's not saying it as a dogma officially.
00:19:39.000 Certainly not a dogma.
00:19:40.000 No, it couldn't possibly be.
00:19:41.000 Sure, sure.
00:19:42.000 But, so we can say, yes, we understand what the Vatican is saying about this today, but we see it in light of,
00:19:47.000 tradition and scripture and 2000 years.
00:19:51.000 Yeah.
00:19:52.000 And so, some of my Catholic friends, I was speaking with the young, lovely Isabel here about this earlier.
00:19:59.000 Some of them, they fall into two errors on this.
00:20:02.000 The one, modern people, they don't care at all about what the Pope says. 0.92
00:20:07.000 Mm-hm.
00:20:08.000 But there is a deference to Rome.
00:20:10.000 Mm-hm.
00:20:11.000 Going, going back to the, to antiquity, going back to the apostolic age, as far as I'm concerned.
00:20:14.000 Mm-hm.
00:20:15.000 You gotta care what the Pope says.
00:20:17.000 Mm-hm.
00:20:18.000 Maybe it's just because I'm Italian.
00:20:20.000 You don't, you don't need to concern yourself with what the Pope ordered for lunch.
00:20:24.000 Okay?
00:20:25.000 You don't need to, it, the, the Chad medieval peasant was not updating Twitter all the time. 1.00
00:20:30.000 What did the Pope say to some reporter today?
00:20:32.000 It's not, you can have what I call a Mediterranean nonchalance.
00:20:35.000 Mm-hm.
00:20:36.000 When the Pope says something that is, you know, prudential, political, right?
00:20:41.000 In my mind, you don't need to stay up all night worrying about it.
00:20:45.000 Okay.
00:20:46.000 Is that fair?
00:20:47.000 Two follow-up questions.
00:20:48.000 Yes.
00:20:49.000 It is fair.
00:20:50.000 I love how, how nuanced you are on all of this.
00:20:51.000 This is amazing.
00:20:52.000 You sound like a liberal a little bit.
00:20:53.000 Hey.
00:20:54.000 A disciple of John Henry Newman.
00:20:57.000 Fair enough.
00:20:58.000 So could you see from the Protestant perspective and from the Orthodox perspective, how there's
00:21:02.000 been many contradictions or specifically on that one, let me just not say many and be
00:21:06.000 general, but that seems from the outside looking in of like, man, there was a lot of executions
00:21:11.000 and now it's like, ah, not so much.
00:21:14.000 Can you see how that's a contradiction?
00:21:15.000 Yeah.
00:21:16.000 Then I have a follow-up question.
00:21:17.000 I don't think it's a contradiction, but it's kind of two layers of teaching.
00:21:20.000 I know you don't think it's a contradiction.
00:21:22.000 Can you see from our perspective?
00:21:23.000 I totally can.
00:21:24.000 Okay.
00:21:25.000 Because there's this kind of flattening basically of these two layers.
00:21:28.000 Mm-hmm.
00:21:29.000 Doctrine, dogma, you know, perennial teachings of the church and a kind of practical weighing
00:21:34.000 in on politics.
00:21:35.000 Okay.
00:21:36.000 There's always been, religious authorities have always had something to say about politics.
00:21:38.000 Yep.
00:21:39.000 It was pronounced in the West because the Western Roman Empire collapsed.
00:21:44.000 And so the Pope had this unifying, even political authority, but he's dealing with,
00:21:48.000 in some cases, you know, Gothic kings or some of whom were heretics, Aryans, whatever.
00:21:53.000 In the East, they always had much more centralized political authority in the person of the Eastern
00:21:58.000 Emperor.
00:21:59.000 So because of that, I don't know, there's a kind of, we recognize a distinction between
00:22:04.000 the secular and the religious.
00:22:07.000 That they play on one another, but they're, I mean, even Dante wrote a whole beautiful piece
00:22:11.000 about this in Monarchia, about the distinction between the two.
00:22:14.000 It's not all the same, but it can seem that way if, you know, the Pope is talking about
00:22:19.000 environmental policy in some modern nation.
00:22:21.000 Sure.
00:22:22.000 Yeah.
00:22:23.000 There's a...
00:22:24.000 The two categories are doctrine and dogma, and the second category is, what was it?
00:22:28.000 Like political issues.
00:22:29.000 Political issues.
00:22:30.000 Just modern political issues.
00:22:31.000 So death penalty, bad political issues.
00:22:33.000 Now what if, paint a picture for you, what if all of a sudden the Catholic Church comes out
00:22:37.000 and says, yeah, we know doctrine and dogma is like same sex couples, not good, but we
00:22:42.000 should go ahead and let them get married. 1.00
00:22:43.000 We're already blessing the unions.
00:22:45.000 Yeah.
00:22:46.000 Go ahead and let them get married and gay marriage, it's cool.
00:22:48.000 Would you, would that then contradict the doctrine and dogma with the, you know, a famous
00:22:54.000 Catholic debater said, if the Catholic Church ever allowed gay marriage, that would completely
00:22:58.000 invalidate the entire Catholic Church.
00:23:00.000 Would you agree to that?
00:23:01.000 How would you feel about if it was gay marriage?
00:23:03.000 I'm reasonably confident that that could not happen.
00:23:06.000 Okay.
00:23:07.000 What if it did?
00:23:08.000 Well...
00:23:09.000 Would it invalidate the Catholic Church?
00:23:10.000 No, it wouldn't invalidate the Catholic Church.
00:23:12.000 It would, it would mean that some prelate or someone was spouting heresy, you know, which
00:23:15.000 has happened over the years, but it, it, no, I wouldn't, that would not supersede clear
00:23:22.000 scriptural teaching in 2000 years of magisterial authority.
00:23:25.000 It, it wouldn't happen.
00:23:26.000 Now the reason why I'm confident that that would not happen is even just looking historically,
00:23:33.000 a lot of other, uh, ecclesial communities have spun off and they say...
00:23:38.000 I like how you call us ecclesial communities.
00:23:40.000 Ecclesial communities, yes. 1.00
00:23:41.000 You guys aren't real churches, but you're like cute little ecclesial communities.
00:23:43.000 Yeah.
00:23:44.000 It's, you know, part of, uh, part of the mystical body of Christ, albeit not in the fullness
00:23:46.000 of truth.
00:23:47.000 Now you sound like an orthodox.
00:23:48.000 Yeah.
00:23:49.000 But, but, uh, you know, Martin Luther, I don't think would have been totally down with, uh,
00:23:54.000 you know, Steve and Bill getting married.
00:23:56.000 Yeah.
00:23:57.000 Uh, I don't think as, uh, I don't know, Zwingli or Calvin would be into that either.
00:24:01.000 Agreed.
00:24:02.000 And yet there are some people who would call themselves Lutherans today who support that.
00:24:07.000 Obviously the, uh, Anglican Church supports that.
00:24:09.000 Yeah.
00:24:10.000 Plenty of other, even not, plenty of non-denominational churches are funded.
00:24:13.000 Yeah.
00:24:14.000 We got a name for those folks.
00:24:15.000 Yeah.
00:24:16.000 We call them heretics. 0.69
00:24:17.000 Heretics.
00:24:18.000 I was going to say, is it fit for air?
00:24:19.000 We don't do stuff with them.
00:24:20.000 Yes.
00:24:21.000 We don't invite heretics to our events. 0.94
00:24:22.000 We don't, we don't partner with heretics. 1.00
00:24:24.000 We're like, they're bad.
00:24:25.000 But I would, I would say you look at the church, the Catholic church, there are, there
00:24:29.000 are plenty of liberal priests.
00:24:31.000 Some of them go on TV and who seem to push the envelope.
00:24:35.000 I don't want to name these Jesuits, but they seem to push the envelope. 1.00
00:24:38.000 And yet even they don't go that far.
00:24:40.000 And so the fact that the Catholic church has survived through modernity, despite all of
00:24:47.000 the problems of this fallen world with the men who run the show, to me, that's an evidence
00:24:52.000 that we're, we're actually, I feel pretty good about it.
00:24:56.000 I would be willing to wager every dollar to my name that at no point ever will the Catholic 1.00
00:25:01.000 church redefine marriage, say.
00:25:03.000 And I don't know that I would say that about other communities.
00:25:05.000 All right.
00:25:06.000 That's a big wager.
00:25:07.000 That's another wager.
00:25:08.000 Should we do another wager?
00:25:09.000 Yeah, we are.
00:25:10.000 I know.
00:25:11.000 We might not be around to prove it.
00:25:12.000 People, someone's going to Google your net worth after this.
00:25:13.000 Yeah.
00:25:14.000 Be like, ah, okay.
00:25:15.000 That's fine.
00:25:16.000 I'm also going to need a raise from the Daily Wire.
00:25:19.000 All right.
00:25:20.000 I got to sneak out, Michael, but I can't resist a good theological debate.
00:25:23.000 Yeah.
00:25:24.000 You're leaving?
00:25:25.000 You're leaving?
00:25:26.000 I know.
00:25:27.000 I got to go film other things.
00:25:28.000 What about when the hard ones come up and I need to phone a friend?
00:25:29.000 I know.
00:25:30.000 I'm sorry.
00:25:31.000 Feel the vibes through the atmosphere.
00:25:32.000 I'll get my phone.
00:25:33.000 Good luck.
00:25:34.000 I'm up.
00:25:35.000 You're up.
00:25:36.000 Who's winning?
00:25:37.000 I'm tired.
00:25:38.000 Yeah, okay.
00:25:39.000 Okay.
00:25:40.000 I cleared mine.
00:25:41.000 Now, before we get to this prompt, we have to watch this video.
00:25:43.000 All right.
00:25:44.000 Proof is in the putting, I've been putting in the rougher.
00:25:46.000 Work that they don't want to do, that's why I got the upper.
00:25:49.000 Hand advantage, fiddle, like I'm at the last supper.
00:25:51.000 Never eating vegan beef, got me through the summer.
00:25:54.000 Eating more chicken, cause the cows are living longer.
00:25:56.000 Going to the gym, but my mind is getting stronger.
00:25:59.000 Indy Jones better than being owned. 0.99
00:26:01.000 The Indy Corporation, an artist who are silly clowns. 0.98
00:26:03.000 I'm on my own. 0.99
00:26:04.000 All right.
00:26:05.000 Is rap music cultural appropriation?
00:26:10.000 Wait, wait.
00:26:11.000 Hold on.
00:26:12.000 Is rap music cultural appropriation?
00:26:15.000 Yes.
00:26:16.000 Not fit for liturgy.
00:26:17.000 That's not the question.
00:26:18.000 Is it cultural appropriation?
00:26:20.000 Cultural appropriation of what?
00:26:21.000 Like, is it mixing genres and stealing from any other genres?
00:26:24.000 Is it essentially Armenian or is it something else?
00:26:27.000 I have to answer your...
00:26:30.000 Are you a cultural...
00:26:31.000 I don't understand.
00:26:32.000 You're an appropriator.
00:26:33.000 Am I an appropriator?
00:26:34.000 Well, I don't...
00:26:35.000 That's your word.
00:26:36.000 I would say appropriata.
00:26:37.000 Appropriata.
00:26:38.000 Yeah.
00:26:39.000 Is rap music...
00:26:40.000 I think the question would be better, like, is...
00:26:42.000 Are white dudes making rap music culturally appropriating?
00:26:45.000 And are Armenians white? 0.89
00:26:46.000 I mean, that's a whole separate rabbit hole we could go down.
00:26:49.000 So is that what they're...
00:26:51.000 Yes.
00:26:52.000 Are you appropriated?
00:26:53.000 Is a non-black artist... 0.93
00:26:55.000 Yes.
00:26:56.000 ...who is making...
00:26:57.000 You're literally from the Caucasus.
00:26:58.000 I'm a real Caucasian.
00:26:59.000 You're as Caucasian as they get. 1.00
00:27:00.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:27:01.000 The rest of you guys are frauds. 0.99
00:27:02.000 Yes, yes. 0.99
00:27:03.000 And the Sicilians have always been... 0.98
00:27:04.000 Okay.
00:27:05.000 ...a little African.
00:27:06.000 Okay.
00:27:07.000 What would you say?
00:27:08.000 Is it cultural appropriation?
00:27:10.000 That's a great question.
00:27:15.000 All right.
00:27:18.000 I got it wrong.
00:27:19.000 I said yes.
00:27:20.000 I said it is.
00:27:21.000 How is it not cultural appropriation?
00:27:22.000 Because I think the beautiful part about cultural is that you're blending and breeding together
00:27:27.000 different aspects that are creating, in America, what we would call a melting pot.
00:27:31.000 Therefore, you are appropriating some other culture.
00:27:35.000 You're using cultural appropriation.
00:27:36.000 Give me my point back.
00:27:37.000 You're using cultural appropriation.
00:27:38.000 He just said in his explanation that I was right.
00:27:41.000 But I'll still listen to that.
00:27:42.000 Because cultural appropriation would be a negative connotation.
00:27:45.000 It has an...
00:27:46.000 I like it, though.
00:27:47.000 I think appropriating culture is good.
00:27:48.000 So, when I think of cultural appropriation, I think of like...
00:27:51.000 I think this would get me canceled.
00:27:53.000 I think of rappers who will use gospel music and elements of gospel music to create a feel
00:28:00.000 while rapping about the most debaucherous...
00:28:02.000 Interesting.
00:28:03.000 ...awful things.
00:28:04.000 So, I think that's actually appropriating Christian culture. 0.71
00:28:06.000 Or like a music video.
00:28:08.000 There was a priest that I actually met in New York who allowed a music video to be shot
00:28:12.000 in one of his churches.
00:28:13.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:28:14.000 Sabrina Carpenter, right?
00:28:15.000 Yes.
00:28:16.000 Who I actually like.
00:28:17.000 And I like the priest that I met.
00:28:18.000 He was the sweetest guy.
00:28:19.000 I'm not going to name check him here.
00:28:20.000 Maybe I'll make a video about it later.
00:28:21.000 Yeah.
00:28:22.000 And he used the church.
00:28:24.000 And I think like that's cultural appropriation.
00:28:25.000 So, I take it as like a negative term.
00:28:27.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:28:28.000 You're saying it can only be negative.
00:28:29.000 That's the way I heard it.
00:28:30.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:28:31.000 Okay.
00:28:32.000 You're saying it as like a positive of like, hey, we're going to take Japanese and Chinese
00:28:35.000 food and create Asian fusion.
00:28:37.000 Because, you know, not to be too glib about it, but you know, Scripture tells us Christianity
00:28:43.000 is appropriative.
00:28:45.000 You know, there's neither Jew nor Greek.
00:28:46.000 Yes.
00:28:47.000 Right?
00:28:48.000 We're all one.
00:28:49.000 So, like, I agree it has this negative connotation.
00:28:52.000 I think it's good though.
00:28:53.000 I mean, America has always kind of thrived on cultural appropriation, going back to the
00:28:57.000 Mayflower.
00:28:58.000 Yeah.
00:28:59.000 And I think it's good.
00:29:00.000 But to your point, you want to appropriate good things.
00:29:03.000 Yes.
00:29:04.000 Now, what do you think...
00:29:05.000 Like, you mentioned the rappers who bring gospel into their stuff.
00:29:10.000 Pre-Heil Hitler. 0.62
00:29:13.000 Kanye would do that.
00:29:14.000 I think in a pretty good way.
00:29:16.000 Actually, I have a kind of esoteric take on his Hitler song too.
00:29:20.000 But when he would do, you know, like, Jesus walks, like that was a good song.
00:29:23.000 I'm glad he was rapping about that.
00:29:25.000 His Jesus is King album, I thought that was...
00:29:26.000 Yeah.
00:29:27.000 It's not my speed, but I thought it was good generally.
00:29:30.000 So, it's okay if they do it...
00:29:32.000 Like, in that case, in Jesus walks, was that a good use of cultural appropriation?
00:29:38.000 So, what Jesus walks is like, I mean, it's a classic, amazing record that it's difficult for me to detach my emotional, you know, appreciation for that record versus the standard of it.
00:29:51.000 So, I think when someone is authentically sharing their experience the way Kanye did on Jesus is King or on the Donda album, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
00:30:02.000 Because I think Kanye was going through his journey with Jesus and trying to figure it out and wrestling.
00:30:07.000 And unfortunately, he had some setbacks in that, that I think he's trying to find his way back to the Lord.
00:30:12.000 I'd like to believe that.
00:30:13.000 Yeah, yeah, I think so.
00:30:14.000 Versus, hey, I'm going to take these chords, I'm going to take this style of music, and then just rap about craziness.
00:30:22.000 And that does happen, where they're taking stuff that's, you know, overtly Christian sounding, and they're rapping themes and concepts that are incongruent with said value.
00:30:32.000 So, let me, can I ask you a follow-up question?
00:30:33.000 Yes.
00:30:34.000 Okay, so, there's a lot of railing between, so you like cultural appropriation as a positive.
00:30:40.000 If it's good.
00:30:41.000 If you're appropriating a good culture.
00:30:43.000 But then, what's the difference between that and what, the issue that a lot of folks have now, especially on the right, is like multiculturalism.
00:30:49.000 Because when I hear multiculturalism, I think of what you described as good cultural appropriation.
00:30:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:30:54.000 Yet, we're saying, but multiculturalism seems to mean something different now, or have I always misunderstood the definition?
00:31:00.000 No, I think multiculturalism is kind of the opposite of cultural appropriation.
00:31:03.000 Okay.
00:31:04.000 In the sense that it's saying, look, black people need to celebrate Kwanzaa. 0.99
00:31:07.000 Christmas is for the white kids, Hanukkah's for the Jewish kids, and Kwanzaa's for the black kids. 0.99
00:31:13.000 I always thought, wait a second. 0.99
00:31:14.000 Aren't blacks Christian? 0.97
00:31:15.000 I've met plenty of Christian black people. 0.91
00:31:17.000 And they say, no, no, no.
00:31:19.000 Basically, you're fixed in your culture, which is itself constructed by it.
00:31:23.000 And all these cultures have to coexist together.
00:31:25.000 Yes, but without really sharing anything.
00:31:27.000 Got it.
00:31:28.000 Without ever giving anything up, without ever taking anything on.
00:31:31.000 So to me, it's like this, there's the image of the melting pot, for better or worse.
00:31:37.000 And the multiculturalism is the image of the salad bowl.
00:31:40.000 You know, the tomato doesn't take on parts of the cucumber, but in that beef stew, man, it's all kind of getting jumbled up in it, right?
00:31:46.000 So the libs have obviously pushed the multiculturalism thing.
00:31:50.000 But I say, no, no, no, let's appropriate even more.
00:31:53.000 Let's appropriate, well, if there is a good part to appropriate for rap music, I guess there is some good beats or whatever.
00:31:59.000 Then you appropriate that part and you get rid of the, you know, gang shootings and womanizing or whatever. 0.66
00:32:05.000 And that's happened.
00:32:06.000 That's happened within Christian music.
00:32:07.000 I'm not sure how much you're keeping up with Christian hip hop.
00:32:09.000 Guys like Indie Tribe, guys like John Key.
00:32:12.000 I play it on the ukulele every day.
00:32:13.000 No big deal.
00:32:14.000 I would love to hear you play it.
00:32:15.000 Forrest Frank, you know, is doing a lot of amazing components of hip hop music in his art and is, I mean, he's doing arenas, selling out arenas.
00:32:24.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:32:25.000 And it fuses all these beautiful elements together that I think is awesome.
00:32:28.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:32:29.000 But do you think rap music is music?
00:32:31.000 It can be.
00:32:32.000 Okay.
00:32:33.000 I think for it to be music, there has to be some element to it beyond the percussive.
00:32:38.000 Yeah, melody.
00:32:39.000 There has to be at least a melody, something vaguely.
00:32:41.000 I think most people would agree with that.
00:32:43.000 Yes.
00:32:44.000 Yeah.
00:32:45.000 Though I'm with Play-Doh.
00:32:46.000 I think we have to be very careful about music.
00:32:48.000 So I'm not like, bring it on, man.
00:32:50.000 Music, more than any other art form, can bypass the reason straight to the sensitive soul.
00:32:56.000 Oh, yeah.
00:32:57.000 And so you've got to be very careful what you're putting into your ears.
00:33:00.000 And so a lot of, and that's especially true with percussive music, which is why, you know,
00:33:05.000 you, it's hard to be brainwashed by Brahms.
00:33:09.000 And you can be brainwashed by some rapper, you know, by Puff Daddy.
00:33:13.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:33:14.000 Yeah.
00:33:15.000 Oh, gosh.
00:33:16.000 You referenced Puff Daddy.
00:33:17.000 Okay, that's awesome.
00:33:18.000 I'm salty because I never got an invite to a white party or a freak off.
00:33:21.000 And I'm glad I didn't want to go, but.
00:33:23.000 Praise God.
00:33:24.000 Yeah, it's true.
00:33:25.000 But I was, it's, you want to be invited.
00:33:26.000 You think rap music is music?
00:33:28.000 Take that.
00:33:29.000 It can be.
00:33:30.000 It's some kind of music.
00:33:31.000 All right.
00:33:32.000 Yeah.
00:33:33.000 Yeah.
00:33:34.000 And, but he's now a, you know, he's a number one billboard charting rapper.
00:33:36.000 Yeah.
00:33:37.000 With Tom McDonald.
00:33:38.000 Tom McDonald.
00:33:39.000 Yeah.
00:33:40.000 Dr. Dreidel.
00:33:41.000 And I'm more salty about that too.
00:33:43.000 Okay.
00:33:44.000 Okay.
00:33:45.000 Uh.
00:33:46.000 All right.
00:33:47.000 You ready?
00:33:48.000 Yes.
00:33:49.000 It's on me.
00:33:50.000 Video or prompt.
00:33:51.000 Okay.
00:33:52.000 Okay.
00:33:53.000 This is interesting.
00:33:54.000 So I broke my back exactly two weeks ago.
00:33:57.000 Is today day 14?
00:33:59.000 Uh, got a, an x-ray and a CAT scan.
00:34:03.000 It showed that I had multiple fractures.
00:34:06.000 Could not move an inch without, excuse anything.
00:34:09.000 You wake up today.
00:34:10.000 I wake up today, forget to put on my back brace.
00:34:13.000 Just start doing the morning.
00:34:16.000 I pick Bodhi up and then I realized, wait, I'm not wearing my brace.
00:34:21.000 What is going on?
00:34:22.000 I'm wearing my brace right now for a precaution.
00:34:25.000 Order an urgent x-ray, go get the x-ray.
00:34:28.000 I have complete healing in my back.
00:34:30.000 I have no fractures in my back.
00:34:32.000 No, no sign of a fracture in my back.
00:34:35.000 So praise God, we saw a miracle.
00:34:40.000 Did we just see a miracle?
00:34:42.000 So I get to, do I guess first what your answer is going to be or do I wait?
00:34:46.000 You can if you think you know me better than I know myself.
00:34:48.000 Maybe you do.
00:34:49.000 I'm going to read your face here.
00:34:50.000 Okay.
00:34:51.000 Did we see, did we just see a miracle?
00:34:55.000 Oh man, this is hard because you're Catholic. 0.99
00:34:57.000 I say yes.
00:34:58.000 I want you to say yes.
00:35:00.000 I'll give it to you because it's not within my competency to declare a miracle.
00:35:10.000 However, if you, if you say gun to my head, you have to bet, you know, you're, you're going
00:35:17.000 to the, you're going to the conference.
00:35:19.000 This is on.
00:35:20.000 Yeah.
00:35:21.000 I would say, yeah, I bet it probably was.
00:35:23.000 If it, if it, if it is not explainable by natural means and this guy is saying, you
00:35:28.000 know, we prayed for this or whatever, you know, we've.
00:35:30.000 That's Forrest Frank.
00:35:31.000 That's my friend.
00:35:32.000 Forrest Frank.
00:35:33.000 Yeah.
00:35:34.000 I would say, yeah, good chance.
00:35:36.000 It's a miracle.
00:35:37.000 Miracles happen.
00:35:38.000 Yeah.
00:35:39.000 You know, it's just.
00:35:40.000 Even in ecclesial.
00:35:41.000 Even.
00:35:42.000 Gathering.
00:35:43.000 Even to.
00:35:44.000 Even to Protestants. 0.53
00:35:45.000 Even to Protestants. 0.53
00:35:46.000 Look, even, I would say if a miracle can happen to a Hindu, I guess it could happen to 1.00
00:35:50.000 a Protestant too.
00:35:51.000 Well, thank you for that.
00:35:52.000 I'll, I'll take it.
00:35:53.000 No.
00:35:54.000 And also because, you know, a miracle is a working of, of God's grace, supernatural
00:35:56.000 grace.
00:35:57.000 So it's not, you know, I don't get to say, uh, well, no, I don't want a miracle.
00:36:00.000 And at first, Frank seems like a nice guy, but I, I don't get to say, well, I don't
00:36:03.000 like Johnny.
00:36:04.000 I, I, I don't, because, uh, God is not working in a way that I have prescribed.
00:36:10.000 He's not allowed to do that.
00:36:11.000 You don't want to tell God he's not allowed to do things.
00:36:13.000 That's good.
00:36:14.000 He will, he will prove you wrong.
00:36:15.000 Yeah.
00:36:16.000 That's good.
00:36:17.000 And I, and I, and I think I probably get a lot of flack from some of my Protestant, 0.85
00:36:20.000 uh, brethren who get mad when I acknowledge miracles in the Catholic church and miracles
00:36:25.000 in the Orthodox church.
00:36:26.000 Yeah.
00:36:27.000 Yeah.
00:36:28.000 So.
00:36:29.000 Pretty good.
00:36:30.000 Great.
00:36:31.000 I'm glad we agree there.
00:36:32.000 No, they're all, they're all miracles from gods.
00:36:34.000 They're all, okay.
00:36:35.000 Uh, I'm up.
00:36:36.000 This is, are you ready for this?
00:36:40.000 It's the rapid fire round.
00:36:42.000 Three questions, 30 seconds, no times to out think each other.
00:36:46.000 Let's go.
00:36:49.000 They changed the colors.
00:36:50.000 Let's say, you know, we're in the rapid fire.
00:36:52.000 Right now.
00:36:53.000 Am I, that's bad.
00:36:54.000 I'm losing at one to three, but even though.
00:36:57.000 I guess you're coming to the blessed gods summit.
00:36:59.000 We're going.
00:37:00.000 But he, there was the one where he, anyway, that's fine.
00:37:02.000 That's fine.
00:37:03.000 I'm not, look, it's good.
00:37:04.000 If I lose, I win.
00:37:05.000 Cause I get to go to the blessed gods summit.
00:37:06.000 All right.
00:37:07.000 Uh, are these, are the questions written?
00:37:10.000 Oh yes, they are.
00:37:11.000 Okay.
00:37:12.000 This is where I, I fumble my lead.
00:37:13.000 Okay.
00:37:14.000 Is the Annabelle doll actually demon possessed?
00:37:24.000 No.
00:37:25.000 No.
00:37:26.000 Is the gateway process, which is, I've never heard of.
00:37:29.000 I don't know what that is.
00:37:30.000 Is it just witchcraft for Fizz?
00:37:38.000 Yes.
00:37:39.000 All right.
00:37:40.000 I don't even know what that is.
00:37:41.000 And I got that right.
00:37:42.000 Is hustle culture antithetical to Christian culture? 0.99
00:37:47.000 Ah, these are too, these are too easy.
00:37:52.000 Yes.
00:37:53.000 Yeah.
00:37:54.000 Hustle culture. 0.98
00:37:55.000 Gosh darn, he just took the lead. 0.98
00:37:56.000 Can I ask, that was good. 0.99
00:37:57.000 That was good.
00:37:58.000 Well, you might get it back on, on your end.
00:37:59.000 Is what the only one, I don't know about Annabelle or whatever.
00:38:02.000 And obviously not like, like.
00:38:04.000 I don't think an inanimate object.
00:38:06.000 Inanimate object cannot be demon possessed.
00:38:08.000 Unless it's like Chucky or whatever.
00:38:10.000 And then gateway, what is the gateway process?
00:38:12.000 The gateway process is this real interesting CIA operative where they started using psychics and different experiments of tapping into the spiritual realm.
00:38:23.000 Oh yeah, I've read about this.
00:38:24.000 Yeah.
00:38:25.000 It's super trippy.
00:38:26.000 It's all documented.
00:38:27.000 I've read about the CIA documents and they were able to like track down certain information in the cold war.
00:38:31.000 That's the thing.
00:38:32.000 It probably like kind of worked.
00:38:33.000 Yeah.
00:38:34.000 It didn't.
00:38:35.000 No, no.
00:38:36.000 It wasn't like 100% accurate, but there were times where they would get certain information.
00:38:38.000 Yeah.
00:38:39.000 Okay.
00:38:40.000 I totally buy that.
00:38:41.000 Hustle culture.
00:38:42.000 I'm going to, you know, I'm going to go get that green, get them stacks.
00:38:47.000 Whatever.
00:38:48.000 I don't know.
00:38:49.000 Your best rapper impersonation again.
00:38:50.000 Thanks.
00:38:51.000 Thank you.
00:38:52.000 I'm training.
00:38:53.000 I love it.
00:38:54.000 My debut.
00:38:55.000 Why is it antithetical to Christian culture?
00:38:58.000 I agree.
00:38:59.000 Yeah.
00:39:00.000 What's antithetical is what is your utmost aim?
00:39:04.000 What are you shooting for?
00:39:05.000 Yeah.
00:39:06.000 And I think the beautiful part about following Jesus is Jesus becomes the thing we're aiming at.
00:39:10.000 And as Jesus is who we're aiming at, that is going to be contextual to where we are.
00:39:15.000 So, man, if you're in North Korea or China, aiming for Jesus is going to cost you probably everything.
00:39:20.000 Yeah.
00:39:21.000 Whereas in the West, aiming for Jesus, trying to live Jesus's ways, trying to apply what he's done in your heart to live it out,
00:39:27.000 I think is generally, not always, because you can still get hit by a car.
00:39:30.000 Cancer can still come.
00:39:31.000 Still be assassinated.
00:39:32.000 Yeah. 0.76
00:39:33.000 Still be assassinated.
00:39:34.000 But generally speaking, will lead to flourishing.
00:39:36.000 Generally speaking.
00:39:37.000 Okay.
00:39:38.000 That's a fair point.
00:39:39.000 And also, I like it because, you know, the hustle culture makes an ultimate end of an instrumental good.
00:39:45.000 So like money can be, it's not that money is evil.
00:39:49.000 The love of money is evil.
00:39:50.000 That's right.
00:39:51.000 But it's like you can use money in wonderful ways.
00:39:54.000 Sure.
00:39:55.000 Take care of your family.
00:39:56.000 But it has to be for something.
00:39:58.000 It really has to be for the glory of God.
00:40:00.000 Right down to the martini.
00:40:01.000 The martini is for the glory of God in as much as it facilitates a good conversation with somebody.
00:40:07.000 You know, right?
00:40:08.000 So, okay.
00:40:09.000 All right.
00:40:10.000 That's good.
00:40:11.000 So I took the lead.
00:40:12.000 You're up. 0.98
00:40:13.000 Gosh darn it. 0.97
00:40:14.000 Here we go. 0.99
00:40:15.000 All right.
00:40:16.000 Rapid fire.
00:40:17.000 What is Sola Scriptura?
00:40:19.000 A recipe for Eamon Hillman style TikTok theology.
00:40:24.000 I don't even know who Eamon Hillman is.
00:40:28.000 I don't either.
00:40:29.000 Okay.
00:40:30.000 Got to clear that.
00:40:31.000 Okay.
00:40:32.000 For sure.
00:40:33.000 Okay.
00:40:34.000 Are most Hollywood elites involved in the Illuminati or Freemasonry?
00:40:38.000 We would care a lot more about the Armenian-Azerbaijan conflict if Armenia had more oil and lobbyists.
00:40:53.000 Oh, gosh.
00:41:02.000 I got to get one of these right.
00:41:11.000 Okay. 1.00
00:41:12.000 Darn. 1.00
00:41:13.000 Yes. 0.99
00:41:14.000 Though, yes, obviously, when you have lobbyists, it is.
00:41:16.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:41:17.000 But the actual reason, I'm as pro-Armenia as it is possible for an American to be.
00:41:22.000 But the actual hard reason why we're not more into it is because they're allies with Russia
00:41:27.000 and Iran.
00:41:28.000 And so, from a grand strategic standpoint, it's hard to support Armenia.
00:41:31.000 But I think the US government should out of Christian charity and fidelity.
00:41:35.000 But anyway, okay. 0.99
00:41:36.000 Darn. 0.99
00:41:37.000 All right. 0.99
00:41:38.000 How do we do with the other ones?
00:41:39.000 Yeah, you got them all right.
00:41:40.000 Yes.
00:41:41.000 Yeah, you got them all right.
00:41:42.000 Okay.
00:41:43.000 All right.
00:41:44.000 Okay.
00:41:45.000 This is great.
00:41:46.000 It's time for the final round.
00:41:48.000 All right.
00:41:50.000 The prompt will be read.
00:41:52.000 We will both lock in our answers, then move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read
00:41:57.000 each other's minds, not through witchcraft.
00:42:00.000 This round is worth double points.
00:42:02.000 It could change everything.
00:42:04.000 Right now, the score is four, me, six, you.
00:42:07.000 Now, the way we're going to do it here, I'm going to put my drink on my name.
00:42:10.000 You're going to put your drink on your name.
00:42:11.000 All right.
00:42:12.000 Let's take a sip first.
00:42:13.000 Is that okay?
00:42:14.000 That's good.
00:42:15.000 It's pure gin, I think, right?
00:42:16.000 Yep.
00:42:17.000 Room temperature gin.
00:42:18.000 It's actually vodka.
00:42:19.000 It's the Russian side.
00:42:20.000 The Eastern.
00:42:21.000 Okay.
00:42:22.000 So, we read the prompt.
00:42:24.000 We lock in our answers first on what we would answer for ourselves.
00:42:29.000 What we would answer for ourselves.
00:42:30.000 Yes.
00:42:31.000 And then we move each other's drink to where we think the other person would land.
00:42:35.000 Okay.
00:42:36.000 Okay.
00:42:37.000 All right.
00:42:38.000 No, there'll be two.
00:42:39.000 There'll be two.
00:42:40.000 There'll be two.
00:42:41.000 You leave that there.
00:42:42.000 Okay.
00:42:43.000 Have you ever seen a demon manifest?
00:42:48.000 In person?
00:42:49.000 Yes.
00:42:54.000 In person.
00:42:55.000 Not counting videos, right?
00:42:56.000 In person.
00:42:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:00.000 Okay.
00:43:01.000 Your poker face is killing me.
00:43:08.000 You're gonna say, and you gotta move mine where you think I'm gonna go.
00:43:14.000 Oh, okay.
00:43:15.000 Okay, ready?
00:43:16.000 One, two, three.
00:43:18.000 Correct.
00:43:20.000 Okay.
00:43:21.000 I got it wrong!
00:43:22.000 Ugh! 0.97
00:43:23.000 It was 50-50.
00:43:24.000 I was gonna say no.
00:43:25.000 Oh, man.
00:43:26.000 My wife's gonna be so angry when I leave town again in March. 1.00
00:43:33.000 Thank you.
00:43:34.000 Okay.
00:43:35.000 No, you haven't.
00:43:36.000 You haven't.
00:43:37.000 So I have not in person.
00:43:39.000 Yeah.
00:43:40.000 I have not.
00:43:41.000 I have friends that do a lot of the deliverance stuff.
00:43:46.000 Yeah.
00:43:47.000 And they have shown me videos and they have talked about it extensively.
00:43:51.000 And I believe demonization is real.
00:43:54.000 I believe it can happen.
00:43:56.000 I think it does happen.
00:43:57.000 Like a lot of what we're dealing with is stuff in the unseen realm manifesting itself
00:44:00.000 in our reality.
00:44:01.000 For sure.
00:44:02.000 For sure.
00:44:03.000 I have never seen it in person.
00:44:04.000 Have you ever heard one?
00:44:05.000 Like in person?
00:44:06.000 Yeah.
00:44:07.000 No, no.
00:44:08.000 I have.
00:44:09.000 This is gonna be really sad.
00:44:10.000 You ready for this?
00:44:11.000 Yeah.
00:44:12.000 I have tried to cast out a demon once.
00:44:13.000 Did it work?
00:44:14.000 No.
00:44:15.000 I think it was just a dude with schizophrenia.
00:44:16.000 Yeah.
00:44:17.000 Okay.
00:44:18.000 Okay.
00:44:19.000 Yeah.
00:44:20.000 You just need to take your meds, dude.
00:44:21.000 Yeah.
00:44:22.000 This is...
00:44:23.000 I've never been involved in an exorcism or anything like that.
00:44:26.000 But I do have friends who have done it and exorcist friends too.
00:44:29.000 And the first thing they do is they basically check for mental illnesses.
00:44:34.000 Yes.
00:44:35.000 Kind of like with a miracle.
00:44:36.000 You first say, is there a natural explanation?
00:44:39.000 Okay.
00:44:40.000 You exhaust all the natural diagnosis.
00:44:41.000 Okay.
00:44:42.000 Maybe this is something else.
00:44:43.000 You ever have sleep paralysis?
00:44:45.000 Yes.
00:44:46.000 So, I think sleep paralysis is a medical condition that is not necessarily always attributable
00:44:49.000 to the supernatural.
00:44:50.000 Yeah.
00:44:51.000 Yeah.
00:44:52.000 I might have heard a demon once.
00:44:54.000 Hmm.
00:44:55.000 I might have heard one.
00:44:56.000 I've only experienced sleep paralysis.
00:44:57.000 I see.
00:44:58.000 I didn't think about it with sleep paralysis.
00:44:59.000 Now, the answer would still be the same because you don't see.
00:45:01.000 Yeah.
00:45:02.000 Well, I guess you could, but I think one time I might have heard one.
00:45:04.000 Yeah.
00:45:05.000 I'm with you.
00:45:06.000 Yeah.
00:45:07.000 I'm with you.
00:45:08.000 I used to have sleep paralysis really bad.
00:45:09.000 Did you?
00:45:10.000 Yeah.
00:45:11.000 And not anymore.
00:45:12.000 Yeah.
00:45:13.000 Like legitimately.
00:45:14.000 That was a joke.
00:45:15.000 Yeah.
00:45:16.000 That was a joke.
00:45:17.000 Could be.
00:45:18.000 I was at a baptism the other day.
00:45:19.000 Godfather to another kid.
00:45:20.000 And the traditional rite of baptism involves multiple exorcisms.
00:45:25.000 In baptism?
00:45:26.000 Yeah.
00:45:27.000 Oh, wow.
00:45:28.000 So, you cast out the demons and then you put a little salt on their tongue.
00:45:32.000 Sal sapientia.
00:45:33.000 It's great because little babies, it's the first time they taste salt.
00:45:36.000 They're not reacting to the demons, I don't think.
00:45:39.000 I think it's mostly the salt.
00:45:41.000 Okay.
00:45:42.000 How many kids have you a godfather?
00:45:43.000 I am a godfather of five kids.
00:45:46.000 Oh, right.
00:45:47.000 To my knowledge.
00:45:48.000 I think only five.
00:45:49.000 This is where my rapper identity is coming in.
00:45:50.000 I was going to say, you sound like a rapper right now.
00:45:52.000 I'm like, whoa.
00:45:54.000 It's 8-2.
00:45:55.000 There's no coming back for me.
00:45:56.000 Gosh.
00:45:57.000 Yeah.
00:45:58.000 There's no, okay.
00:45:59.000 All right.
00:46:00.000 Well.
00:46:01.000 All right.
00:46:02.000 So, I'm asking you the last question.
00:46:03.000 Yes.
00:46:04.000 This is, I'm going to lose anyway, but maybe I can finish my drink.
00:46:06.000 Okay.
00:46:07.000 Okay, this is good.
00:46:11.000 Are the pyramids of Egypt remnants of pre-flood technology?
00:46:18.000 I said no.
00:46:31.000 Why did?
00:46:32.000 I guess it doesn't matter.
00:46:33.000 All right.
00:46:34.000 All right.
00:46:35.000 It doesn't matter.
00:46:36.000 Now he's taunting me at this point.
00:46:37.000 I ruined it.
00:46:38.000 All right.
00:46:39.000 Now you have to guess how I would answer.
00:46:41.000 Give me my points.
00:46:43.000 Oh! 0.60
00:46:44.000 They, it's kind of...
00:46:45.000 You think it's pre-flood technology?
00:46:46.000 It's a cheap answer.
00:46:47.000 Okay.
00:46:48.000 They literally are remnants of pre-flood technology, because they were made using technology.
00:46:52.000 Oh.
00:46:53.000 Oh, no. 0.94
00:46:54.000 Shoot.
00:46:55.000 I was reading that as ancient technology. 0.96
00:46:56.000 Yes.
00:46:57.000 So, basically, were they pre-flood is the question.
00:46:58.000 Yes.
00:46:59.000 Were they built pre-flood?
00:47:00.000 Right.
00:47:01.000 Well, I want the points anyway, so I'll say yes.
00:47:04.000 But I'm a little more agnostic on that question.
00:47:07.000 You don't think so, though.
00:47:08.000 You think flood happened, then they built the pyramids.
00:47:10.000 Yeah.
00:47:11.000 Why do you say that?
00:47:13.000 I...
00:47:14.000 Because I'm a...
00:47:15.000 I'm a Protestant, and I just read the Bible in a linear fashion.
00:47:18.000 And I don't have any magistrates or popes that tell me otherwise.
00:47:21.000 Where are the pyramids in the Bible?
00:47:23.000 Hold on.
00:47:24.000 I want to look into...
00:47:25.000 Because, you know, there's a strange fact, which is that Cleopatra lived closer in time
00:47:30.000 to the building of the Bass Pro Shop pyramid than she did to the building of the Great Pyramid
00:47:34.000 of Giza.
00:47:35.000 Even by...
00:47:36.000 Very interesting.
00:47:37.000 Yes.
00:47:38.000 Okay.
00:47:39.000 Is there any world in which the pyramids are much older than we think they are?
00:47:43.000 I think it's possible.
00:47:44.000 Yeah.
00:47:45.000 I think it's possible.
00:47:46.000 And you're right.
00:47:47.000 The scriptures don't describe the pyramids.
00:47:48.000 There's no book of the pyramids.
00:47:49.000 Yeah.
00:47:50.000 There's no book of the pyramids.
00:47:51.000 I think whenever I read Egypt, all the Christian movies I saw make me think that the Israelites 0.61
00:47:57.000 were building the pyramids as slaves.
00:47:58.000 Yeah.
00:47:59.000 Okay.
00:48:00.000 All right.
00:48:01.000 As slaves.
00:48:02.000 And so that's not in there.
00:48:03.000 You're right.
00:48:04.000 Okay.
00:48:05.000 All right.
00:48:06.000 That's me getting away from...
00:48:07.000 Do I get...
00:48:08.000 So what do we...
00:48:09.000 Okay.
00:48:10.000 Final score, I still lose.
00:48:11.000 Yeah.
00:48:12.000 Four to six.
00:48:13.000 As far as I'm concerned.
00:48:14.000 A win for the Protestants. 1.00
00:48:15.000 That's a win.
00:48:16.000 No.
00:48:17.000 We needed one.
00:48:18.000 It's devastating.
00:48:19.000 It's devastating.
00:48:20.000 Ever since the 16th century, you guys are racking up dubs. 1.00
00:48:24.000 Okay.
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00:48:55.000 Jeb Bush, please clap.
00:48:57.000 That's great.
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00:49:13.000 I can't
00:49:32.380 wait...
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