Catholic vs. Protestant： ＂Did We See A Miracle？＂ YES or NO With Ruslan KD
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On this week's episode of Yes or No, the boys debate whether Catholics or Protestants are more difficult to debate, and who knows who knows better: the Catholics or the Protestants. Plus, a wager between the boys on the future of the Catholic and Protestant churches.
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Are ortho bros more difficult to debate than Catholics?
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Well, they would say that you guys are the ones that are schismatic.
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They say all sorts of stuff in Greek. Who even speaks that?
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Yes or No is the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better.
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My guest today, obviously there's a lot of excitement.
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All these people packed into the audience because they wanted to meet him.
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He will select his answer away from my prying eyes.
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No matter what, I will probably end up drinking.
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Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand.
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So if you lose, are we going to get a bunch of excuses?
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I say if I win, you have to come back and do one of my panels.
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And when you're in town, if the stars align, we'll make the stars align.
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My wager is if I win, you get to come to my Bless God Summit in San Diego, California,
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March 5th, 6th, and 7th, and be on a panel regarding Catholic Protestant affairs.
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Unpaid speaking, because we can't afford your fee.
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I thought Armenians were better at driving hard negotiations and bargains.
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Is the first step for Protestant churches to match the rise in traditional Catholic attendance
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to reform the laser light show concerts in their worship services?
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I actually have, I have thoughts on this question, but I'll save them before I have to guess
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So you put your answer down and then I have to guess what you would say.
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This, actually an evangelical Protestant wrote this question.
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Who I think has gone to a few laser light shows in his life.
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It's an inch to reform the laser light show concerts in their worship.
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Now that Catholicism and specifically traditional versions of Catholicism, they are spiking right
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now, but I don't think Protestantism is suffering very much.
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I don't think Protestantism in the evangelical way is declining exactly.
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And in some ways I think it's actually since Charlie's murder, I think it's gone up along
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But no, you would say it's not the liturgy that's leading to the decline where it exists.
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Well, I actually think the entire question is, is interesting to say the least, because
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according to our mutual friend, Trent Horn, Protestants aren't losing attendance.
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According to him, it's the Catholics that are losing attendance with the data that he reacted.
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Because we're getting adult conversions a lot, but because there's infant baptism, a lot
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of people, they go and they have a lunch afterward, but no one's ever really practicing the faith
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So for every one adult convert, you're getting like eight cradle Catholics who are leaving.
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Well, it means that we've got to be tougher on these parents.
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I'm a godfather because I'm Sicilian, but also because I have this role in different kids' lives.
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I think that certain Protestant traditions are losing people.
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Like the, I don't know, does anyone go to Methodist churches anymore?
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Methodists had a big schism recently over the LGBTQ thing.
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The, I went, I was at the National Prayer Service at the inauguration, that bishopress lady who,
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first of all, that alone is a problem, but then she basically took the opportunity to scold
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I think the mainline churches on the Protestant side have emptied out, but I don't think it's
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The Episcopalians have better liturgy than any of the other Protestants.
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The teaching has just been watered down, so they have rainbow flags outside their buildings.
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We've had record-breaking attendance back to back to back to back to back for the past
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year, but the past several weeks, every single week there's more and more people.
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And we don't have laser light shows at my church.
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We actually meet in an old Episcopalian building, but we would probably be like a modern evangelical
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Assuming we're not getting it back from Henry VIII, you know, in the UK, it's going
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It's either going to be low church Protestant, you know, non-denom evangelical stuff, or it's
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Or they're going to tear down and build condos.
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You know what's forming is Alex O'Connor is going to become Christian.
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I think that Alex is a gentleman that's built an amazing platform and built almost a
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cult of personality on being a non-combative non-believer.
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But when you get deeper with him on like, hey, Alex, have you read the entire Bible?
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Hey, Alex, like, have you wrestled through these things?
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In my opinion, they're unfortunately very shallow answers to those questions.
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I've, in fact, I don't know if I'm telling tales out of school.
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Because the fact that he's very sharp, he has all these great things.
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But the fact that he doesn't have hardcore answers to all of those questions, to me says,
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He probably hangs out with more Christians than he hangs out with atheists.
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The moment that he really starts to keep following that, he's gonna become Christian.
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It made so many promises to our society that the more secular we become and we'll have
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this scientific revolution and everybody will be more rational.
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And then you fast forward that out 25 years and they've delivered on none of those promises.
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Even the book, Hitchens wrote that book, God Is Not Great, which doesn't even make that
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It doesn't even, that's not even the point of the book.
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The point is, you know, I don't, Christians have done things that I don't like.
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But fast forward now, 20 years after new atheism, Richard Dawkins is calling himself a cultural
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Because he saw the conclusion of the new atheism, which is Islam.
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When I win and Ruslan comes to Latin Master, you're welcome.
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Are ortho bros more difficult to debate than Catholics?
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I could see that cutting both ways, even the meaning of the question.
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I've already given my answer to what you're going to answer.
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I would say you leave the debate with the ortho bros, and you say that was a more tedious
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Whether or not you won, you lost, you feel you persuaded, or other...
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And I don't know if this is official language or not official language, but you guys acknowledge
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St. John Henry Newman was a great, great articulator.
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You guys would say, hey, the church is the magistrate, and so on and so forth, and so stuff
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What the apostles believed in practice is not necessarily what churches believe today,
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on both sides, Catholics, Protestant, Orthodox.
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Now, the fear of development of doctrine, which is articulated very well by John Henry Newman,
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who was Anglican, actually, and then he became...
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He becomes Catholic, becomes a saint, becomes a doctor of the church, like three weeks ago.
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He would say that true development of doctrine is something that was always there, that was often
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practiced and understood, but is articulated later on, or comes to a fuller understanding
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later on, often in response to challenges to that traditional teaching.
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So the way Catholics think about heresies, say we don't like heresies, they've been heresies
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since day one, but they're great in the sense that they allow the church then to clearly define
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her teaching on Gnosticism, on the sexes, on the Immaculate, all the way up to the Immaculate
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Conception, say, so that the doctrine is, you know, becomes clearer over time.
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The way it can be abused by liberals, in the church even, is to say, well, the church used
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to say that, you know, marriage is between a man and a woman, but doctrine is developed
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and now it's between two guys and a billy goat.
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You say, well, hold on, that's not a development, that's a change.
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I think the idea that they, the development is only in as good as what they actually believed.
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I think that would be my issue with both the Orthodox and the Catholic, is that when I read
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and I go back and I'm trying to understand Polycarp, I'm trying to understand these apostles,
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I think there's a pretty big chasm between what they taught and believed and what is
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And what I appreciate about Catholics was doctrinal development tends to kind of acknowledge
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that a little bit, whereas the Orthodox will say, no, this is the exact faith that the
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So regardless of what you think about any particular doctrine, you say, well, I don't see
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But at the very least, the Catholics will say, well, here's why you think you don't see
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it and here's why I think it's here and here's why it seems different.
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Whereas the Orthodox, the Orthodox will say, this was always what was taught and we haven't
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I thought you were going to say the reason it's more exhausting to debate the orthobros
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They've had these different patriarchs forever.
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Historically speaking, again, there are no orthobros in the house, so I'm not going to
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Oh, they're going to clip this and destroy us, just so you know.
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Typically, in the history of the church, going back to antiquity, challenges to doctrine,
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also known as heresies, tended to come from the east.
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Now, the orthobros could shoot those down too, but a lot of these doctrines, Arianism
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took a lot of hold in the east, all sorts of things.
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Arianism also had some issues in the west, but we stamped it out.
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That, because of that, you know, with the Catholics, we can say, look, to quote St.
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Augustine, Rome has spoken, the issue is settled.
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In the east, they'd say, well, you know, patriarch, you know, Papadopoulos said like
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five minutes ago that, you know, you have to have lamb in your soufflaki and not chicken.
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No, I'm just, no, listen, I have a great, they have great liturgy.
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I'm mostly salty because I can't grow the beard.
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I would be Catholic too if I couldn't grow the beard.
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They will say, well, no, actually, there's this other tradition.
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There's this mystical tradition that actually says something different.
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And so, the thing that I find exhausting about debating our beloved brothers in orthodoxy
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Whereas, you know, even in antiquity and through the Middle Ages, you'd have Eastern bishops come
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And then they'd go back and the emperor would say something different
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And so, you can't say, well, you guys believe this, right?
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And they say, well, but we also kind of believe this.
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So, to kind of throw a bone to my orthodox brothers and sisters,
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do you think that they have maintained a closer tradition?
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Not to the apostolic church, but to the three or four hundreds when a lot of these are transformed?
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I would say, yes, they do have a great connection to the apostolic church
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because they have apostolic succession, because they have, generally speaking, valid sacraments,
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because their liturgy, I'll throw them onto the orthodox, their liturgy is much more beautiful
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than a lot of what passes for modern liturgy and Catholicism.
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I actually do have a great deal of respect for the orthodox, but it's the point of unity.
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You know, there are four marks of the church, one holy, catholic, and apostolic in the Nicene Creed.
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And so, yes, they've got the apostolic, sure, let's say it's holy.
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You know, they've got, they claim to some kind of universality.
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You know, the unity, this is really where the primacy of Rome comes in.
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But that was always a point between us and the East.
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Do you have any idea where the Pope and the Vatican as a whole stand on the death penalty, global warming, and illegal immigration?
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Do you have any idea where the Pope and the Vatican as a whole stand on the death penalty, global warming, and illegal immigration?
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And again, it's kind of mixing those issues together because the death penalty is a little different than, say, global warming.
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Global warming is a kind of prudential matter for the civil authority that is not entirely within the competency of the Holy See.
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And so for the entire history of the church, death penalty was fine under certain circumstances.
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We need to bring a little more of that back, frankly, but that's a topic for another time.
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But in principle, capital punishment is okay under certain circumstances.
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So the church would say today, well, that teaching remains true.
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The death penalty is okay under certain circumstances.
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Because the death penalty comes from the book of Genesis, right?
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Whosoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed.
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For man is made in the image and likeness of God.
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Because of human dignity, we have the death penalty.
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And St. Paul says civil authority doesn't bear the sword in vain.
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Some popes carried it out, including blessed Pius IX who oversaw 500 executions in the papal states.
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John Paul II says, yeah, it's fine in principle, but I oppose it practically because modern society allows us to protect society from the perpetrators.
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Pope Benedict said much the same thing after JP II.
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He said, look, reasonable minds can disagree on this, but practically I oppose it.
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Pope Francis comes in and he says, the death penalty is morally inadmissible.
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So this is not an ex catheter teaching on faith and morals, you know, without error or officially pronounced.
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He doesn't say it's intrinsically evil because he can't, because that would contradict scripture and 2000 years of church teaching.
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Pope Leo has basically maintained that and says, we work toward the abolition of the death penalty.
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But, so we can say, yes, we understand what the Vatican is saying about this today, but we see it in light of,
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And so, some of my Catholic friends, I was speaking with the young, lovely Isabel here about this earlier.
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Some of them, they fall into two errors on this.
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The one, modern people, they don't care at all about what the Pope says.
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Going, going back to the, to antiquity, going back to the apostolic age, as far as I'm concerned.
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You don't, you don't need to concern yourself with what the Pope ordered for lunch.
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You don't need to, it, the, the Chad medieval peasant was not updating Twitter all the time.
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It's not, you can have what I call a Mediterranean nonchalance.
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When the Pope says something that is, you know, prudential, political, right?
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In my mind, you don't need to stay up all night worrying about it.
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I love how, how nuanced you are on all of this.
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So could you see from the Protestant perspective and from the Orthodox perspective, how there's
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been many contradictions or specifically on that one, let me just not say many and be
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general, but that seems from the outside looking in of like, man, there was a lot of executions
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I don't think it's a contradiction, but it's kind of two layers of teaching.
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Because there's this kind of flattening basically of these two layers.
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Doctrine, dogma, you know, perennial teachings of the church and a kind of practical weighing
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There's always been, religious authorities have always had something to say about politics.
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It was pronounced in the West because the Western Roman Empire collapsed.
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And so the Pope had this unifying, even political authority, but he's dealing with,
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in some cases, you know, Gothic kings or some of whom were heretics, Aryans, whatever.
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In the East, they always had much more centralized political authority in the person of the Eastern
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So because of that, I don't know, there's a kind of, we recognize a distinction between
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That they play on one another, but they're, I mean, even Dante wrote a whole beautiful piece
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about this in Monarchia, about the distinction between the two.
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It's not all the same, but it can seem that way if, you know, the Pope is talking about
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The two categories are doctrine and dogma, and the second category is, what was it?
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Now what if, paint a picture for you, what if all of a sudden the Catholic Church comes out
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and says, yeah, we know doctrine and dogma is like same sex couples, not good, but we
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Go ahead and let them get married and gay marriage, it's cool.
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Would you, would that then contradict the doctrine and dogma with the, you know, a famous
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Catholic debater said, if the Catholic Church ever allowed gay marriage, that would completely
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How would you feel about if it was gay marriage?
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I'm reasonably confident that that could not happen.
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No, it wouldn't invalidate the Catholic Church.
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It would, it would mean that some prelate or someone was spouting heresy, you know, which
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has happened over the years, but it, it, no, I wouldn't, that would not supersede clear
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scriptural teaching in 2000 years of magisterial authority.
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Now the reason why I'm confident that that would not happen is even just looking historically,
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a lot of other, uh, ecclesial communities have spun off and they say...
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You guys aren't real churches, but you're like cute little ecclesial communities.
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It's, you know, part of, uh, part of the mystical body of Christ, albeit not in the fullness
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But, but, uh, you know, Martin Luther, I don't think would have been totally down with, uh,
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Uh, I don't think as, uh, I don't know, Zwingli or Calvin would be into that either.
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And yet there are some people who would call themselves Lutherans today who support that.
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Obviously the, uh, Anglican Church supports that.
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Plenty of other, even not, plenty of non-denominational churches are funded.
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But I would, I would say you look at the church, the Catholic church, there are, there
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Some of them go on TV and who seem to push the envelope.
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I don't want to name these Jesuits, but they seem to push the envelope.
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And so the fact that the Catholic church has survived through modernity, despite all of
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the problems of this fallen world with the men who run the show, to me, that's an evidence
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that we're, we're actually, I feel pretty good about it.
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I would be willing to wager every dollar to my name that at no point ever will the Catholic
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And I don't know that I would say that about other communities.
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People, someone's going to Google your net worth after this.
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I'm also going to need a raise from the Daily Wire.
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I got to sneak out, Michael, but I can't resist a good theological debate.
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What about when the hard ones come up and I need to phone a friend?
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Now, before we get to this prompt, we have to watch this video.
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Proof is in the putting, I've been putting in the rougher.
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Work that they don't want to do, that's why I got the upper.
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Hand advantage, fiddle, like I'm at the last supper.
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Never eating vegan beef, got me through the summer.
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Eating more chicken, cause the cows are living longer.
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Going to the gym, but my mind is getting stronger.
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The Indy Corporation, an artist who are silly clowns.
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Like, is it mixing genres and stealing from any other genres?
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Is it essentially Armenian or is it something else?
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I think the question would be better, like, is...
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Are white dudes making rap music culturally appropriating?
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I mean, that's a whole separate rabbit hole we could go down.
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Because I think the beautiful part about cultural is that you're blending and breeding together
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different aspects that are creating, in America, what we would call a melting pot.
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Therefore, you are appropriating some other culture.
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He just said in his explanation that I was right.
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Because cultural appropriation would be a negative connotation.
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So, when I think of cultural appropriation, I think of like...
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I think of rappers who will use gospel music and elements of gospel music to create a feel
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So, I think that's actually appropriating Christian culture.
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There was a priest that I actually met in New York who allowed a music video to be shot
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And I think like that's cultural appropriation.
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You're saying it as like a positive of like, hey, we're going to take Japanese and Chinese
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Because, you know, not to be too glib about it, but you know, Scripture tells us Christianity
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So, like, I agree it has this negative connotation.
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I mean, America has always kind of thrived on cultural appropriation, going back to the
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But to your point, you want to appropriate good things.
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Like, you mentioned the rappers who bring gospel into their stuff.
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Actually, I have a kind of esoteric take on his Hitler song too.
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But when he would do, you know, like, Jesus walks, like that was a good song.
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It's not my speed, but I thought it was good generally.
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Like, in that case, in Jesus walks, was that a good use of cultural appropriation?
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So, what Jesus walks is like, I mean, it's a classic, amazing record that it's difficult for me to detach my emotional, you know, appreciation for that record versus the standard of it.
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So, I think when someone is authentically sharing their experience the way Kanye did on Jesus is King or on the Donda album, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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Because I think Kanye was going through his journey with Jesus and trying to figure it out and wrestling.
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And unfortunately, he had some setbacks in that, that I think he's trying to find his way back to the Lord.
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Versus, hey, I'm going to take these chords, I'm going to take this style of music, and then just rap about craziness.
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And that does happen, where they're taking stuff that's, you know, overtly Christian sounding, and they're rapping themes and concepts that are incongruent with said value.
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So, let me, can I ask you a follow-up question?
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Okay, so, there's a lot of railing between, so you like cultural appropriation as a positive.
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But then, what's the difference between that and what, the issue that a lot of folks have now, especially on the right, is like multiculturalism.
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Because when I hear multiculturalism, I think of what you described as good cultural appropriation.
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Yet, we're saying, but multiculturalism seems to mean something different now, or have I always misunderstood the definition?
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No, I think multiculturalism is kind of the opposite of cultural appropriation.
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In the sense that it's saying, look, black people need to celebrate Kwanzaa.
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Christmas is for the white kids, Hanukkah's for the Jewish kids, and Kwanzaa's for the black kids.
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Basically, you're fixed in your culture, which is itself constructed by it.
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And all these cultures have to coexist together.
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Without ever giving anything up, without ever taking anything on.
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So to me, it's like this, there's the image of the melting pot, for better or worse.
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And the multiculturalism is the image of the salad bowl.
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You know, the tomato doesn't take on parts of the cucumber, but in that beef stew, man, it's all kind of getting jumbled up in it, right?
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So the libs have obviously pushed the multiculturalism thing.
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But I say, no, no, no, let's appropriate even more.
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Let's appropriate, well, if there is a good part to appropriate for rap music, I guess there is some good beats or whatever.
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Then you appropriate that part and you get rid of the, you know, gang shootings and womanizing or whatever.
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I'm not sure how much you're keeping up with Christian hip hop.
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Forrest Frank, you know, is doing a lot of amazing components of hip hop music in his art and is, I mean, he's doing arenas, selling out arenas.
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And it fuses all these beautiful elements together that I think is awesome.
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I think for it to be music, there has to be some element to it beyond the percussive.
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There has to be at least a melody, something vaguely.
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I think we have to be very careful about music.
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Music, more than any other art form, can bypass the reason straight to the sensitive soul.
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And so you've got to be very careful what you're putting into your ears.
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And so a lot of, and that's especially true with percussive music, which is why, you know,
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And you can be brainwashed by some rapper, you know, by Puff Daddy.
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I'm salty because I never got an invite to a white party or a freak off.
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And, but he's now a, you know, he's a number one billboard charting rapper.
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Could not move an inch without, excuse anything.
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I wake up today, forget to put on my back brace.
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I pick Bodhi up and then I realized, wait, I'm not wearing my brace.
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I'm wearing my brace right now for a precaution.
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So I get to, do I guess first what your answer is going to be or do I wait?
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You can if you think you know me better than I know myself.
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I'll give it to you because it's not within my competency to declare a miracle.
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However, if you, if you say gun to my head, you have to bet, you know, you're, you're going
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If it, if it, if it is not explainable by natural means and this guy is saying, you
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know, we prayed for this or whatever, you know, we've.
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Look, even, I would say if a miracle can happen to a Hindu, I guess it could happen to
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And also because, you know, a miracle is a working of, of God's grace, supernatural
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So it's not, you know, I don't get to say, uh, well, no, I don't want a miracle.
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And at first, Frank seems like a nice guy, but I, I don't get to say, well, I don't
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I, I, I don't, because, uh, God is not working in a way that I have prescribed.
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You don't want to tell God he's not allowed to do things.
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And I, and I, and I think I probably get a lot of flack from some of my Protestant,
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uh, brethren who get mad when I acknowledge miracles in the Catholic church and miracles
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No, they're all, they're all miracles from gods.
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Three questions, 30 seconds, no times to out think each other.
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I guess you're coming to the blessed gods summit.
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But he, there was the one where he, anyway, that's fine.
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Is the Annabelle doll actually demon possessed?
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Is the gateway process, which is, I've never heard of.
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Is hustle culture antithetical to Christian culture?
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Is what the only one, I don't know about Annabelle or whatever.
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The gateway process is this real interesting CIA operative where they started using psychics and different experiments of tapping into the spiritual realm.
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I've read about the CIA documents and they were able to like track down certain information in the cold war.
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It wasn't like 100% accurate, but there were times where they would get certain information.
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I'm going to, you know, I'm going to go get that green, get them stacks.
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What's antithetical is what is your utmost aim?
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And I think the beautiful part about following Jesus is Jesus becomes the thing we're aiming at.
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And as Jesus is who we're aiming at, that is going to be contextual to where we are.
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So, man, if you're in North Korea or China, aiming for Jesus is going to cost you probably everything.
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Whereas in the West, aiming for Jesus, trying to live Jesus's ways, trying to apply what he's done in your heart to live it out,
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I think is generally, not always, because you can still get hit by a car.
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But generally speaking, will lead to flourishing.
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And also, I like it because, you know, the hustle culture makes an ultimate end of an instrumental good.
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So like money can be, it's not that money is evil.
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But it's like you can use money in wonderful ways.
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The martini is for the glory of God in as much as it facilitates a good conversation with somebody.
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A recipe for Eamon Hillman style TikTok theology.
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Are most Hollywood elites involved in the Illuminati or Freemasonry?
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We would care a lot more about the Armenian-Azerbaijan conflict if Armenia had more oil and lobbyists.
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Though, yes, obviously, when you have lobbyists, it is.
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But the actual reason, I'm as pro-Armenia as it is possible for an American to be.
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But the actual hard reason why we're not more into it is because they're allies with Russia
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And so, from a grand strategic standpoint, it's hard to support Armenia.
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But I think the US government should out of Christian charity and fidelity.
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We will both lock in our answers, then move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read
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Now, the way we're going to do it here, I'm going to put my drink on my name.
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We lock in our answers first on what we would answer for ourselves.
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And then we move each other's drink to where we think the other person would land.
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You're gonna say, and you gotta move mine where you think I'm gonna go.
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My wife's gonna be so angry when I leave town again in March.
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I have friends that do a lot of the deliverance stuff.
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And they have shown me videos and they have talked about it extensively.
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Like a lot of what we're dealing with is stuff in the unseen realm manifesting itself
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I've never been involved in an exorcism or anything like that.
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But I do have friends who have done it and exorcist friends too.
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And the first thing they do is they basically check for mental illnesses.
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So, I think sleep paralysis is a medical condition that is not necessarily always attributable
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Now, the answer would still be the same because you don't see.
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Well, I guess you could, but I think one time I might have heard one.
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And the traditional rite of baptism involves multiple exorcisms.
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So, you cast out the demons and then you put a little salt on their tongue.
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It's great because little babies, it's the first time they taste salt.
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They're not reacting to the demons, I don't think.
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I was going to say, you sound like a rapper right now.
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This is, I'm going to lose anyway, but maybe I can finish my drink.
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Are the pyramids of Egypt remnants of pre-flood technology?
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They literally are remnants of pre-flood technology, because they were made using technology.
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So, basically, were they pre-flood is the question.
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Well, I want the points anyway, so I'll say yes.
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But I'm a little more agnostic on that question.
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You think flood happened, then they built the pyramids.
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I'm a Protestant, and I just read the Bible in a linear fashion.
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And I don't have any magistrates or popes that tell me otherwise.
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Because, you know, there's a strange fact, which is that Cleopatra lived closer in time
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to the building of the Bass Pro Shop pyramid than she did to the building of the Great Pyramid
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Is there any world in which the pyramids are much older than we think they are?
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I think whenever I read Egypt, all the Christian movies I saw make me think that the Israelites
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Ever since the 16th century, you guys are racking up dubs.
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