The Michael Knowles Show - Choosing Life： The Racism of the Pro-Abortion Movement - Star Parker

00:00:00.160 A quick note before the episode begins.

00:00:02.580 This conversation involves graphic discussions related to abortion and the abortion industry.

00:00:07.440 Please consider turning off the episode if children are present, and continue listening with caution.

00:00:16.180 Planned Parenthood has been true to its mission from day one,

00:00:20.280 and its mission was to annihilate what Margaret Sanger believed was human weed. 1.00

00:00:24.280 She was a racist, she was a eugenicist, and she did not want this population of new, freed former slaves growing in America.

00:00:34.420 So Planned Parenthood deliberately, even to today, targets poor communities, poor women,

00:00:39.860 which are disproportionate African American and Latino, to make sure that they do not produce children. 1.00

00:00:45.640 Now, they can spin it any way that they want to, but that is the reality.

00:00:49.160 It is true to their mission that we want these population numbers low.

00:00:54.280 The problem that they have with the Latino community is it's a growing community 1.00

00:00:57.700 rooted still in a lot of Catholic belief systems, so they are still producing their children.

00:01:02.840 But make no mistake, Planned Parenthood is in their schools, in our hard-hit zip codes,

00:01:07.600 pushing their ideas to keep abortion alive, to keep your children numbers low.

00:01:13.800 For all that the left loves to talk about anti-black racism, leftists never seem to want to discuss

00:01:24.540 the single most direct and lethal attack on black people in America today, abortion. 0.78

00:01:32.220 In New York City, more black babies are aborted than born. 0.99

00:01:36.440 The single most dangerous place for a black person in New York is in his mother's womb. 1.00

00:01:42.860 And this disproportionate harm toward black people is not a bug of the abortion system. 0.98

00:01:48.380 It's a feature that has been baked in from the very beginning, as Starr Parker learned

00:01:53.620 when she began to investigate the deepest causes of the breakdown of the black family. 0.93

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00:03:24.120 I'm Starr Parker. We fight poverty and restore dignity through messages of faith, freedom,

00:03:31.080 and personal responsibility here in Washington, D.C. through a policy institute called CURE.

00:03:37.180 We work on welfare reform and all related issues. We call it hee-hee. We work on health issues. We work

00:03:42.700 on education issues. We work on housing issues. And we work on economic issues. We're trying to break

00:03:48.380 the cycle of poverty. So most of our focus is on our most distressed zip codes in the country,

00:03:53.540 but we're trying to change the laws here in Washington, D.C. so that people living in those

00:03:58.280 zip codes can live free. And you've talked quite a bit about abortion in the United States. What

00:04:05.520 first brought that topic kind of onto your radar? What brought the topic onto my radar is that when

00:04:12.160 I had a born-again experience and people started talking about public policy, I grew up a business

00:04:18.460 that was involved in a lot of public policy issues. Of course, abortion was one of those issues. So I

00:04:23.380 started talking publicly about my own experiences of buying the lie of the left, that abortion was just

00:04:29.220 a convenience, that it was a blob of tissue and everything else that you kind of heard coming out

00:04:34.200 of the 70s and going into the 80s about life and where it begins and all of the questions that people

00:04:39.940 are asking. So I brought my own personal experiences to the table that after the fourth time, I went into

00:04:45.520 one of their so-called safe legal rare clinics is when I started really thinking about the decisions

00:04:50.540 that I was making, had a gut instinct way down deep inside that there must be something wrong with 0.94

00:04:55.120 killing your offspring. I mean, all the messages in society said it was just fine. And I had actually

00:05:00.680 got caught up in the culture that knew we were pregnant. I knew I was pregnant. So you just stay

00:05:05.420 pregnant as long as you could so you can get a welfare check and then you go kill what God calls 1.00

00:05:09.420 his reward. But after that fourth time, it started to bother me. And then after my born again 0.96

00:05:14.380 experience, I stopped doing it altogether. And then doors started opening for me to make my story

00:05:20.880 public. And so it's one of the things that we fight here at CURE against abortion being legalized

00:05:26.300 because it feeds a narrative that women are victims, that they can't control their sexual impulses, 1.00

00:05:31.520 which makes our job harder to diminish the welfare state government overreach in our most distressed

00:05:36.840 zip codes. So I think everyone, you know, right, if they were to look at you right now,

00:05:41.500 they'd be like, oh, she's probably always been pro-life, you know? Oh, she's probably always had

00:05:45.340 this view. But, you know, that wasn't always the case for you. So can you kind of take-

00:05:49.420 Oh, no, I wasn't always pro-life. In fact, I was like most Americans who just believe anything.

00:05:54.580 You kind of get lost in the culture and a culture of moral relativism. I was doing whatever I wanted to

00:05:59.360 do. I believed all the lies of the left, that my problems were someone else's fault because I was

00:06:03.560 African-American, that America was racist, I shouldn't mainstream, that I could do whatever I want to

00:06:08.400 because I was poor and others were wealthy. So I blamed them for my distress. And you can get just

00:06:14.040 very lost in decisions. So after early decisions, teenage decisions of criminal activity and drug

00:06:20.000 activity, sexual activity was next. Sexual activity led me in and out of abortion clinic after clinic

00:06:25.540 until I ended up on the welfare state. Then a Christian conversion changed my life. So I just stopped 1.00

00:06:30.560 doing those things. Went to college, got a degree, started a business. And after that business was

00:06:35.700 destroyed during the 1992 Los Angeles riots is when I started focusing on these types of issues,

00:06:41.200 including abortion and what it has done mostly to our most distressed communities, which means

00:06:46.960 disproportionately to the black community. And correct me if I'm wrong and tell me if you don't 1.00

00:06:53.460 want to talk about this, but you did have a couple abortions early on in your life, correct? 0.92

00:06:59.300 Like four. Yeah, oh, I was reckless. And in fact, one of the times I don't even think I was really

00:07:03.540 pregnant. So I just count that one because, you know, now when you're living that kind of reckless

00:07:07.900 life in the middle of South Central Los Angeles, you're running into the abortion clinic, the same

00:07:12.040 guy's there. Of course, he's just going to pretend you're pregnant because he gets a big fat check from 0.86

00:07:16.420 the taxpayers of California. So can you, you know, what would you say to a young woman who is, you know,

00:07:23.260 really struggling, not knowing what to do? She feels, you know, kind of trapped. She's pregnant.

00:07:28.840 Maybe she feels pressure from others to get an abortion, but, you know, she just doesn't know 0.85

00:07:32.740 what to do. What do you say to that woman? I would say that she's a mother now and mother is just the 0.58

00:07:38.240 most precious place to be. If she herself cannot raise that child until they're 18 years old, then 0.99

00:07:44.700 maybe she should allow someone else that beautiful benefit of raising that child. But she is a mother.

00:07:50.160 Once you're pregnant, you're a mom and somebody wants to call you mom and that person is going to love you

00:07:54.960 dearly. Yes, there will be adjustments in her life, your life, if I can speak directly to her. But those

00:08:00.940 adjustments can be handled. She has the ability to handle them. And motherhood is precious.

00:08:07.840 One of the one of the arguments that the pro-abortion movement uses is, you know, if abortion is

00:08:12.440 illegal, thousands of women will die a year trying to, you know, perform unsafe abortions. 1.00

00:08:20.160 You know, it's interesting that the pro-choice movement has always used fear tactics and scare

00:08:24.480 tactics to keep people from becoming parents, to keep women from having children, to keep them from 0.99

00:08:29.600 being successful in their life or procreating. But when you think about will women today go into

00:08:34.580 back alley abortions using clothes hangers and all the other things that they have distorted and lied

00:08:39.480 about for the last 48 years, the answer is no. And in fact, this is the same people who push chemical

00:08:44.420 abortion into our society. So what the real question on the table becomes is, is this sin? 0.72

00:08:49.740 Is this moral? Is it good for a society, a civil society to allow for its offspring to be aborted?

00:08:57.060 You know, when you think about right now, the challenges in our society, because we are in

00:09:01.760 crisis when it comes to marriage rates, fertility rates. This is something that those that keep lying

00:09:07.940 about the activities of women to support an idea that they've had, that people are better off without 0.99

00:09:14.840 children so that we can save the environment. We need to have that discussion because it's rooted

00:09:21.040 in a lie and it is hurting us. It's hurting our entitlement programs. In the next 15 years,

00:09:27.160 our society will have more people over 65 years old than under 18 years old. This is not healthy for a 1.00

00:09:33.400 society. When you think about fertility rates and what it means to procreate for that generation that

00:09:39.160 we have promised entitlements, social security, Medicare. So the pyramid will collapse if we continue

00:09:45.740 with these low fertility rates. And we are at the crisis level as a society right now. In order to

00:09:51.880 reproduce yourself, you have to be at 2.1. Right now, we're like 1.6 when it comes to reproducing ourselves.

00:10:00.000 What about the argument that the pro-life movement is just a bunch of religious zealots who want to

00:10:06.040 force their beliefs on the rest of the country? Well, this is interesting. If the religious community

00:10:12.120 is making an argument that we need to procreate, that we need to have a society, that we need to

00:10:18.600 have a civilized society that has measurements and moral frameworks over what we're going to do with

00:10:24.040 offspring, then yes, we can call them zealous if possible. In fact, I'm glad that we have what's

00:10:28.900 called a religious zealot population to say that it's basically immoral to kill your offspring. And 0.82

00:10:36.280 in addition to it being immoral to kill your offspring, we have other implications that rise

00:10:41.660 as a result of marriage collapse and infertility rates collapsing. Marriage collapsing, for one,

00:10:47.460 we have now a reckless generation of young men because they have not been socialized through

00:10:52.080 marriage. And that escalates crime rates. It escalates low educational rates and many,

00:10:56.480 many other, other social ills that we have to deal with just because of abortion.

00:11:00.480 Let's, let's jump to that topic because that is something that I really want to talk about.

00:11:05.140 You know, I think the pro-choice movement often says that it is a woman's right to have bodily 0.97

00:11:15.200 autonomy and that, you know, it's just men forcing women to, to, you know, be pro-life and to, 0.56

00:11:22.480 you know, try to keep the baby. That's men forcing that to happen. Is, is that true? Or is the opposite

00:11:29.520 true? That it's, it's oftentimes women who are driving the pro-life movement and that, you know,

00:11:35.680 the fathers of these children are oftentimes pressuring women to try to get abortions.

00:11:40.200 I think biology is driving this discussion. When you think about the difference between male and female,

00:11:46.240 females' bodies tell them it's time to reproduce. Once a month, their body tells them it's time to 0.94

00:11:53.660 reproduce so that we can maintain society, so that we can maintain humanity. Now, if you're asking,

00:12:00.480 does marriage socialize men? Let me put it this way. If we're asking ourselves, if marriage is a

00:12:07.980 social stabilizer to where when men and women attach in marriage and procreate, it's this much more 0.87

00:12:14.600 healthy environment for children to be raised in, the answer is yes. The question that pro-choicers 1.00

00:12:19.720 need to ask themselves is if they believe that people should have children. And this is where

00:12:24.580 you're going to find much discussion within those pro-choice circles that they don't believe it. They

00:12:29.180 really believe that children are a drain on society. They want a perfect world and, and they want an

00:12:35.940 environment clean of what Margaret Sanger used to call human weed. So they target particular

00:12:42.340 communities of poor people to not have children. Yeah. So I guess last question on this before we 1.00

00:12:48.840 get to that topic, um, does abortion in some ways let men off the hook and, and kind of, you know,

00:12:56.680 allow them to avoid responsibility? I think abortion has not only collapsed marriage, but it's created a 0.95

00:13:03.040 tremendous challenge socially with men. Men now are not marrying. Women are not demanding marriage before 0.95

00:13:09.960 sexual activity. What birth control did and abortion did is allowed women autonomous in sexual activity, 0.88

00:13:16.380 but men get the most advantage for that because now they can hop around. They don't have to be 1.00

00:13:21.160 responsible. And if a woman does decide she's going to have that child, they are less likely to take care 0.96

00:13:26.580 of that child because they think that abortion was one of the options that she should have perhaps 0.99

00:13:30.760 taken. Often you find the men are forcing the women to take the option of abortion and pressuring them

00:13:35.820 to kill that offspring because they've had that promiscuous sexual life and encounters outside of 0.98

00:13:41.400 marriage. So yes, marriage has collapsed. So men now are free to be promiscuous. And the challenge that we 1.00

00:13:47.460 have as a society is promiscuous men are often producing dangerous men because unmarried men are not, uh, the, the,

00:13:56.020 the products of unmarried men are the ones that we're seeing in our criminal activity. 75% of the young boys in our 0.99

00:14:02.560 criminal justice system come from single headed households. 95% of the men that are in our, our

00:14:08.120 prison systems on a federal level have no relationship with their dad. So abortion has collapsed

00:14:13.260 traditional family life and it's created all types of other social ills.

00:14:18.540 So let's, let's go back to the 1960s and, you know, you, you mentioned this, you know, I know you've

00:14:26.360 mentioned this in various tellings of your story. Um, but you know, what, what's happening in the 1960s,

00:14:31.920 uh, just societally and how does that, you know, how did that impact you personally as a young

00:14:38.880 woman? I think in the 60s, it's interesting when you look back at that time up until, uh, this

00:14:44.100 emphasis of connecting ourselves to, I guess you could say, um, uh, enlightenment. Uh, we were a

00:14:52.000 moral society. Our, our laws were rooted in Judeo-Christian heritage and ethics. And so you had

00:14:57.500 people that married before they had sexual encounters and then they produced children.

00:15:01.920 So you interrupt this in the 60s. FDA said, you know what, let's disconnect sexual activity from 0.99

00:15:07.520 marriage by, uh, having the pharmaceuticals produce birth control. Fast forward, what happens? Mid

00:15:13.700 60s, you have marriage unraveling real quickly. Keep in mind that in the 60s, by the time we were to

00:15:18.580 the mid 60s, 75% of the adult population was married. Today that's less than 50%. And in black 1.00

00:15:24.200 communities who got hit hardest because they were most vulnerable during those 60s, marriage rates

00:15:28.920 are now 30% of the adult population, which is tragic. It's why the young men are just lawless. 0.92

00:15:34.680 They don't know what to do because they have not had that formal, uh, and stabilized family life.

00:15:40.260 So couple that. So first you have this attack on religion that says, well, you know what,

00:15:44.540 we can disconnect marriage and sexuality. Then you have marriage collapsing. Well, there's nothing 0.96

00:15:49.560 really wrong with this. Women need to be free from men anyway. Then you have, well, but if there are 1.00

00:15:53.820 any natural consequences, we'll have a welfare state. So now we're paying people to not marry

00:15:58.800 and we have the results today. So how did, how did the sexual revolution and everything that kind

00:16:06.080 of happened in the sixties into, you know, the early seventies, how did that influence your life?

00:16:10.620 I think that by the time I came of age, uh, the, the norms, the, the traditional norms of society

00:16:18.220 were already unraveling. I mean, my parental household had books called I'm okay. You're

00:16:22.820 okay. We were already starting to see society not have any type of moral framework. And when you don't

00:16:28.540 have a moral framework, you start making choices on your own. And when you start making choices on

00:16:32.960 your own, you can be led down some paths of, of, you know, least resistance, shall I say? So, uh,

00:16:38.900 in my own personal life, as I mentioned, it has just started unraveling, uh, into all types of

00:16:44.660 activity, criminal activity, drug activity, sexual activity, in and out of abortion clinic after

00:16:49.280 clinic, welfare activity, just absolute lawlessness. And what's interesting though, is when you think

00:16:54.600 about the sixties, the activities that I was engaged in it by the seventies, weren't even being called

00:16:59.620 lawless anymore. We were starting to go into an environment to where promiscuity was just, uh, the norm.

00:17:05.280 And when you have normal living, promiscuous living that you can do anything you want to live in,

00:17:10.740 you're not going to have formation of healthy families. And in my community, it began to hit

00:17:15.620 hard. By the time Dr. King died five years later, Roe v. Wade was national law. So when you're unraveling

00:17:22.040 all of your traditional norms and you're now having a civil rights movement that ends in all of the

00:17:28.040 cities around the country erupting in violence, people got very lost. It was an opportunity for

00:17:34.060 Roe v. Wade to pass into federal law and the people that got hit hardest were the most vulnerable.

00:17:40.500 You know, I'd love to, I'd love to jump into a little bit of the history, um, pre, you know,

00:17:47.580 pre Roe v. Wade to, to whatever extent you're, you're comfortable talking about it. You know,

00:17:51.880 one of the, one of the big arguments that I've seen Planned Parenthood make lately, uh, is,

00:17:58.380 you know, abortion's always been accepted societally. If you go back to the, you know,

00:18:02.820 as early as the 1600s, whether, whether you're talking about Native American tribes or, uh, you

00:18:08.400 know, early colonists of, of what would become the United States in Europe, everyone was fine with

00:18:13.760 abortion before what was called quickening. Can you, are you comfortable talking at all about,

00:18:18.380 you know, that argument? Cause it's, that seems like a relatively new argument, trying to normalize

00:18:22.120 it kind of back into the past. Right. Right. I think you've always had people that were secular

00:18:28.040 who didn't mind killing their offspring. And in fact, if you remember some of the gods of old,

00:18:32.720 they would bring their children, even after they were born and, and, and worship, you know,

00:18:37.500 as a part of worship, they would have their children killed. This was one of the ways that

00:18:40.840 they were able to be prosperous, if you will. So you've always had this discussion between morality

00:18:46.160 of the God, the creator, and, or those that worship the creation and in, in and of itself.

00:18:52.140 And so when people talk about being enlightened, when they talk about, um, what is the value of

00:18:58.380 children, whose responsibility is it, whether they're going to live or die. We've always had

00:19:03.240 these discussions in society, but you've got this moral sacred thread that says, no, this is not your

00:19:07.960 call. Once you're pregnant, you're a mother. So tell me a little bit about Margaret Sanger.

00:19:13.440 When we think about the history of African-Americans in this country and moving then into an adoption 1.00

00:19:21.300 of the country, leaving slavery to now be adopted, the worst thing that could have happened to black

00:19:26.480 life is Margaret Sanger, a eugenicist entering into this opportunity for people to live free,

00:19:33.680 4 million former slaves to adjust to a new life of freedom in a brand new country for themselves.

00:19:39.900 But you've always had eugenicists. You've always had those who believe that people are less human

00:19:44.680 than themselves. Uh, she studied under people like Nazis to say, how do we figure out a perfect

00:19:51.300 race? How do we figure out a perfect people? She was a very complicated lady personally. I mean, 0.88

00:19:56.760 my goodness, it was too bad that she put all her personal problems onto the rest of society, 1.00

00:20:00.980 but she was successful in doing that. She wanted to make sure that certain populations of people 0.99

00:20:06.260 were controlled. And so she built out a Planned Parenthood. She built out a mission statement,

00:20:12.120 a marketing campaign. She went after African-American leaders and pastors to pay them,

00:20:17.900 to market to their people, to kill their offspring so that there would not be that many blacks in this 1.00

00:20:24.240 country. So was that her, was that her objective? She had a plan, a project called the Negro Project 1.00

00:20:33.140 that specifically wanted to keep the numbers of black people in this country low. It's tragic

00:20:41.280 that she was able to convince so many and Planned Parenthood in their marketing campaign with all of

00:20:47.120 their money, were able to convince so many to promote this type of evil in a community of people

00:20:54.160 that were so vulnerable, trying to move into this new adopted relationship that they have

00:20:58.980 with a country that was built on freedom. It interrupted life for us. You start seeing now

00:21:05.600 through those thirties and forties, this constant narrative that your children are your problem.

00:21:11.880 Your children are your drain. In order for you to successfully move into healthy living in this

00:21:17.200 country, you're going to have to have less children. And the more that messaging went out there, 0.76

00:21:21.880 the worse things got. And especially as they started building out a welfare state to pay people to have

00:21:27.040 fewer children, to pay people not to get married. The country itself started unraveling morally and

00:21:33.060 black people got caught up in this. How much of the current struggles of the black community in

00:21:42.520 America do you attribute to the legacy of Margaret Sanger? I think that, I don't know that I could put a

00:21:50.320 percentage, but I believe that the unraveling of our moral framework and fabric at a time when black 1.00

00:21:57.540 family life was just adjusting to this new reality in a country where they could be prosperous and

00:22:04.260 perhaps even by now go and heal the other countries in Africa from which they were from, this is really,

00:22:11.460 really challenging. Because what has happened to African-American communities as a result of Margaret

00:22:16.480 Sanger's plan to interject birth control, to interject abortion in a very vulnerable poor community has

00:22:23.320 unraveled our family life. Fast forward to the 60s, after America started really unraveling on its

00:22:30.500 overall views of the world, the traditions, the Judeo-Christian traditions in which it was founded

00:22:37.360 were starting to unravel. You start fast forward looking at the black family and find the impact. 1.00

00:22:43.000 It is so underappreciated that by the mid-60s, we still had in the black community 78% of husbands

00:22:49.640 in their homes with their wives raising children. Fast forward after the welfare state, which was 0.88

00:22:55.340 deliberately planned in conjunction with Margaret Sanger's ideas of eugenesis and controlling these

00:23:01.280 populations of what she called human weed and what a lot in our society thought as a nuisance, 0.92

00:23:08.400 the children of former slaves. You fast forward through that generation, five years after King

00:23:14.340 was assassinated, you saw Roe v. Wade as national law coupled with a welfare state that paid families

00:23:21.860 to dismantle. Look at the challenges it's called. We're upside down from the 78% of husbands that were

00:23:28.380 in their homes with their wives raising children to today where 75% children born outside of marriage,

00:23:34.420 where 30% adults married, and we're seeing the impact on our children. The low educational rates,

00:23:41.620 the high crime rates, the abortion rates, the welfare rates, the AIDS rates, everything ill is hitting this

00:23:48.840 particular population simply because of Margaret Sanger's plan to annihilate this population, their families,

00:23:56.360 and make sure that they did not have success in this country.

00:23:59.220 What's the overall timeline of America's views on pro-life versus pro-choice? How have views shifted

00:24:09.600 on the issue of life since the 60s? I think the views of people in America are shifting because

00:24:15.780 of technology. When you think about the moral thread that was in our society, you had Catholics that were 1.00

00:24:20.660 arguing against abortion when it was just legal in a few states. They knew that this was a crime against

00:24:25.360 humanity. They knew that we should not be doing this, and the Catholics had structures for people

00:24:29.840 that had orphans, children that perhaps didn't have a healthy family place, and so they were taking care

00:24:36.480 of these particular children. So America became in real denial as they started buying into this idea

00:24:42.000 of enlightenment and education and higher education and higher learning and materialism. The next thing you

00:24:47.480 know, our children are inconveniences, and so people just wanted to ignore the reality, ignore the obvious

00:24:53.480 that when you're pregnant, you're a mom. Ignore the fact that when you're pregnant, you are going to 0.98

00:24:58.440 have an offspring unless you interject something. So what did we do? We interjected birth control.

00:25:03.960 Pharmaceuticals got involved, and they make a whole lot of money, and the challenge we're having today

00:25:07.880 with pharmaceuticals involved in trying to limit the amount of pregnancies that occur in our society

00:25:13.980 is just creating other problems. They've had to readjust the estrogen levels over and over again

00:25:19.220 because they found out, oops, over time, the estrogen levels high in a pregnant woman hurt

00:25:25.220 testosterone levels in men and boys, and now we have disproportionate numbers of effeminate men, so we're

00:25:31.360 having to adjust our society to even that new reality. Abortion has deeply hurt us as a society. When you think

00:25:38.860 about those same 60s where you had a moral thread of then-Catholics saying, don't do this, you had a society of

00:25:47.100 Protestants and others that said, yeah, but it's convenient. But let me add one thing, because you

00:25:51.440 also asked about, you know, when did we see a shift to more pro-life? We started seeing that shift just

00:25:58.280 relatively recently, maybe 10, 15 years, because of ultrasound, because technology is now showing people

00:26:04.500 that they can't lie to themselves anymore, that we can't pretend that the obvious isn't true, that

00:26:09.260 there's a life there, that it has meaning, it has a viability, it has all of these components that are just

00:26:18.240 undeniable. And people are now realizing that you got to come up with another excuse, as opposed to it's just a

00:26:26.740 blob of tissue. And that means that we can have the discussion, we've been having the discussion, a whole lot of

00:26:32.160 pregnancy care centers started growing up around the country. So now people are without excuse, and

00:26:36.640 they're realizing that this might not been a good idea in the long run, and it's certainly not a good

00:26:41.180 idea going into our future. So would you say technology, you know, that the debate and people's

00:26:48.060 views on life maybe really started to shift because of technology? I think that the ideas started to

00:26:55.360 shift because of technology, that people then had to confront the lie that they have been telling

00:27:01.320 themselves that this is just a blob of tissue, that it's an inconvenience for us as a society, that we

00:27:07.080 should allow the obvious, that number one, a certain people group are being targeted, so we want to keep 0.81

00:27:12.900 those numbers low anyway. And so we have to confront that part of American society. But number two, the

00:27:19.780 inconvenience of it interrupting someone on their journey to materialism by getting a college degree

00:27:24.720 or whatever reasons that families come up with, why they would talk their own daughters into killing 1.00

00:27:29.180 their grandchildren. So in 1959, the American Law Institute released a draft proposal that would make

00:27:40.160 abortion legal in cases of fetal abnormality, rape or incest, or when there was a threat to women's health.

00:27:46.980 So can you weave a little bit of that, you know, the history of, you know, the efforts that were

00:27:54.960 taken kind of in the 50s and 60s to try to normalize abortion in our society?

00:28:01.180 I think that one of the reasons people were trying to normalize abortion in the American society is

00:28:05.700 because America was built on ideals, ideals rooted in Judeo-Christian heritage. So that means that

00:28:11.940 abortion would not be tolerated in this new environment. But there are always people that

00:28:17.140 want a perfect human race. There are always people throughout society that have superiority complexes,

00:28:23.200 and they then look for ways to change the views of the people so that they can promote their agenda

00:28:30.200 and worldviews. So of course you have documents and people looking for ways to include abortion into

00:28:36.540 this new founded country. You know, they're going to come up with all kinds of reasons. We have too many

00:28:41.740 people that have disabilities. We have too many people that have too many children. We're creating 1.00

00:28:46.700 other problems. We're running out of resources. So you're always going to have people that are

00:28:50.460 researching those types of ideas. I think that when the real tipping point came for America is when the

00:28:56.540 pharmaceuticals were in bed with the government to push birth control onto our society. 0.95

00:29:03.980 And what was Margaret Sanger's involvement with the pill?

00:29:07.660 I don't know that Margaret Sanger was directly involved with the pill becoming legal. Her mission

00:29:13.020 was to get it there, but it didn't become legal until in the 60s. And so most of her work was in

00:29:18.700 the 30s, 40s-ish. Right.

00:29:20.780 But let me mention, we focus a lot of time and attention on Margaret Sanger, who some might say

00:29:25.420 she's the mother of the feminist movement in America, but there's no question there were feminists in 1.00

00:29:30.380 America. There were many, many women who did not like the idea of having to control their sexual 1.00

00:29:35.420 impulses inside of marriage. Men have never really wanted to do that, but the Judeo-Christian ethic

00:29:42.380 stabilized men to have to do that through marriage. And there were always women that didn't want that

00:29:48.060 as well. Right. So to what extent do the racist views and beliefs of Margaret Sanger still resonate

00:29:57.580 through what the abortion industry does today? Oh, the racist views of Margaret Sanger are alive

00:30:03.020 and well. In fact, her bus here in Washington DC is right next to the civil rights movement. Her bus is

00:30:07.580 in the civil rights museums, the African-American museums, because her idea that abortion will 0.90

00:30:16.060 help alleviate poverty resonates with people that are poor. They really think, well, maybe that will

00:30:21.820 help. And so they bought that lie. And so today we still have that lie existing. When you think about

00:30:27.900 the Planned Parenthoods and how they're targeted specifically in communities of color, make no

00:30:34.700 mistake that this is racially intended to keep these numbers low of these populations that eugenicists do 0.98

00:30:41.980 not think should share the same environments they do. But doesn't Planned Parenthood, and I'm going to play

00:30:47.660 devil's advocate here for a second, doesn't Planned Parenthood actively say that it's because they want

00:30:54.620 to fight racism that they that they're trying to give access to, you know, health care that to, you

00:31:03.100 know, impoverished communities or to the African-American community or to minority communities

00:31:07.820 that, you know, white women have had, you know, for decades. And so, you know, their argument is,

00:31:13.340 oh, well, right now the system's racist and we need to we need to provide more access to abortion

00:31:18.780 to the communities that don't have the sort of access that white communities have.

00:31:21.740 Yeah, Planned Parenthood has been running from its original mission for generation now. And in fact,

00:31:28.940 they're still trying to convince people that the fewer children you have, the better off you're going

00:31:33.500 to be. And so they're trying to flip the narrative to say, well, the reason that poor people are still

00:31:38.940 poor is because they keep having children. And the reason that they keep having children is because 0.97

00:31:43.260 society is racist against them to force them to have to have these children. I mean, what a mockery

00:31:49.980 to procreation and to how to really escape poverty. The answer to poverty is freedom,

00:31:54.860 personal responsibility. It's not a welfare state. It's not abortion. In fact, what we have found

00:32:00.460 through research and just through human interactions is that abortion really hurts women once they've had 1.00

00:32:07.260 one. And so they become much more reckless in their sexual impulses. They become much more

00:32:11.900 desires to have a child, even if that child is outside of marriage. And then they continue in

00:32:17.100 these life patterns of self-destruction. And so the next question I have, you know,

00:32:22.540 I ask because I only because I think it is helpful for people to hear the personal side of

00:32:28.380 some of these answers as well. You know, I think some, a lot of people say, oh, I celebrate my

00:32:32.780 abortion or abortion doesn't hurt me. You know, there's a list of doctors and scientists who say,

00:32:37.340 oh, well, there's no evidence that abortion creates, you know, emotional harm for women who

00:32:41.260 have it. Do you feel like personally the abortions that you had, uh, hurt you or damaged, you know,

00:32:47.580 you or, or made you feel more pain? I think that the challenge we have with this one size fits all

00:32:53.260 narrative of the left that pretends that abortion doesn't have impact, moral impact on people, mental

00:32:59.020 impact on people, medical impact on, on people is a distortion of the reality that we're unique

00:33:05.660 individuals. And so you're going to be impacted differently. I work very closely with pregnancy

00:33:10.700 care centers. I'm telling you, we have, we have people coming in and say, even on my deathbed,

00:33:15.340 I'm gonna say, I'm sorry. One more time. I have personal friends who had one abortion 1.00

00:33:19.660 and they miserable in their personal lives, even though they look like they're successful,

00:33:24.220 they've not born children. They're in their sixties. But personally, well, I was so reckless. I didn't

00:33:29.420 even know that the father of the children were. So you have different life patterns for different

00:33:32.860 people. So you disconnect, uh, in that scenario, as opposed to someone that they'd love that person

00:33:39.020 who got them pregnant and he walked away. So we can't have a one size fits all discussion

00:33:44.540 about how abortion impacts anyone. But what we do know is that abortion impacted that child.

00:33:50.860 What we do know is that person is no longer here. What we do know is that if someone was born in 1974,

00:33:58.460 right after we legalized abortion, those pregnancies that were aborted, those folks would be 49 years 0.98

00:34:04.300 old today, 48, 49 years old today, perhaps in the height of their careers, perhaps with families of

00:34:09.660 their own. So what we do know is that we have disrupted family and, uh, formation and generational

00:34:16.860 family formation. What we do know is there are a lot of grandparents today, uh, that do not have

00:34:22.940 those grandchildren. We have more with Starr coming up in just a moment. First though,

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00:35:35.180 Can you talk about the, um, the impact that it has emotionally on women and how it's hard to

00:35:41.580 even, you know, get women to talk about their pain? Yeah, I think that one of the lies of the left

00:35:47.580 and the pro-death community is that we're detached from realities, that we're detached from our own

00:35:53.580 emotions. Many women experience many different ways that they deal with their abortions. And we are

00:35:58.700 hearing from women, older women, younger women. This is a very deep, painful area that given time,

00:36:05.020 some express it. In fact, many of our pregnancy care centers in the country today allow for naming

00:36:11.100 opportunities. This is how many people are saying, I just can't get past it. I can't get over it. And

00:36:16.620 there's not enough help for them because you have this community of people that keep insisting, you

00:36:20.300 better not even think about the emotional problems that come from your abortion. You better never say

00:36:25.100 it out loud. And so you have a lot of hidden pain, not just with women, with men. The men are now

00:36:29.980 starting to come forward because they know their lives aren't the same. They remember that child.

00:36:34.620 There is a couple that all of us know that because she's a major actress, she's not ready yet to come 0.99

00:36:40.220 forth with her story. But her and the man that she was pregnant by, they've never been together

00:36:45.900 again since then. But on the anniversary of that abortion, they talk to each other every year after

00:36:52.860 year after year. And we're talking 30, 40 years ago. We're talking about people like, remember Nicki Minaj,

00:36:57.660 when she was asked by Rolling Stone magazine, do you have any regrets? You're on the top of your game.

00:37:01.660 What does she blurt out? I regret the abortion I had when I was 17. How did she do that? How did

00:37:07.340 that all of a sudden come up out of her? You think maybe she's cried a few nights over that abortion. 0.79

00:37:11.980 It's a lie that this doesn't deeply impact people, but it does impact people differently. I mean,

00:37:16.940 my goodness, I didn't even know who I was pregnant by, so it didn't impact me at all. Plus I was on drugs.

00:37:21.980 So once I got my forgiveness from the Lord, I forgave myself. But there are others who were

00:37:27.420 intimately involved with the person. I met a man who, his wife and them got talked themselves into

00:37:33.100 an abortion. They had three beautiful girls. They talked themselves into having an abortion

00:37:38.140 because they bought that lie that is not going to impact us. That it's really just

00:37:42.300 a decision that we're making. That it's just a choice. We've already got three kids.

00:37:46.220 After that abortion, they couldn't even look at each other again. And they ended up in divorce.

00:37:51.420 This is reality of what happens when people have abortion. But what the left expects them to do

00:37:56.860 is hide that pain and do it alone. And this was one of the biggest challenges I have with this

00:38:00.860 chemical abortion now. They're going to see that baby in that toilet and have to hide it from 1.00

00:38:05.660 themselves now and bear that pain and suffering alone through their life. Abortion is deeply hurting

00:38:11.340 us as a society. It's hurting people, real people.

00:38:14.860 What did Planned Parenthood have to gain from the loosening of morals in the 60s?

00:38:24.060 The two things that Planned Parenthood gained in loosening of morals in the 60s. One, a slap

00:38:29.100 at God because they didn't want rules over their sexuality. And he has very strong rules over

00:38:33.580 sexuality until marriage. But number two, money. It's about a whole lot of money. And for people that

00:38:39.740 try to pretend that tax dollars aren't involved, they're lying to themselves. All of my abortions were

00:38:44.780 paid for by the state of California, which through their programs get money from Washington, D.C.,

00:38:50.140 their medical programs. So all of us have blood on our hands as a result of this constant keeping

00:38:56.060 abortion legal in our society so that one corporation can make money. They make a lot of tax money. They 0.98

00:39:03.100 make a lot of individual money simply by killing offspring, by killing someone else's grandchildren.

00:39:09.980 Do you know how much money, do you know what the stats are?

00:39:11.900 Planned Parenthood, depending on where you're getting the exact numbers, because they like to

00:39:17.660 hide the monies that they're getting from the government. But some estimates are about 500

00:39:21.420 million dollars. OK, so you, everyone, you know everyone, they know everyone, they know everyone,

00:39:25.500 they know and go 10 times that are just sending their money straight to Planned Parenthood instead

00:39:30.060 of sending your federal dollars to Washington, D.C. Because they're the ones getting the recipient.

00:39:34.140 You got to ask yourself, why does the Department of Health and Human Services have an agency in there

00:39:40.140 for population control? They don't call it control, but they do call it population affairs.

00:39:46.300 Why do we do this to ourselves if we are are not complicit in this movement to keep certain

00:39:52.780 population numbers low?

00:39:54.860 Um, what what percentage of Planned Parenthood's

00:40:00.860 earnings come from abortion, either directly or through federal funding?

00:40:04.860 I don't know exactly how Planned Parenthood manipulates their books to pretend that

00:40:10.460 they're doing some educational things with the monies that they get from taxpayers. But what we

00:40:14.940 do know is that Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the country, and they perform

00:40:19.580 a lot of abortions. They're probably at 400,000. Well, times that by just $1,000, because when you start

00:40:25.340 thinking about the low part of abortion being four to 600, you know, when you're just a few weeks

00:40:30.300 pregnant, all the way to the high part. And don't forget, Planned Parenthood is complicit in doing 1.00

00:40:34.140 abortions ninth month, ninth hour. They don't have any problem with late-term abortions. So you're

00:40:38.700 thinking about averaging now up to about $1,000 a pop. Um, let's, let's talk a little bit about

00:40:45.420 where Planned Parenthood, you know, is based. So, you know, they, they say, you know, that minority

00:40:51.420 women need greater access to abortion. Uh, and, you know, and yet you've talked a lot about,

00:40:58.620 you know, the percentage of Planned Parenthood facilities that are already in minority communities.

00:41:03.260 Can you, can you maybe touch on, you know, where are these Planned Parenthood facilities

00:41:08.060 and what does that maybe say about their kind of underlying goals?

00:41:11.100 Planned Parenthood has been true to its mission from day one, and its mission was to annihilate

00:41:17.580 what Margaret Sanger believed was human weed. She was a racist, she was a eugenicist, and she did not 0.98

00:41:23.260 want this population of new freed former slaves growing in America. So Planned Parenthood deliberately,

00:41:31.660 even to today, targets poor communities, poor women, which are disproportionate African-American 0.98

00:41:37.260 and Latino to make sure that they do not produce children. Now they can spin it any way that they 1.00

00:41:42.940 want to, but that is the reality. It is true to their mission that we want these population numbers

00:41:49.260 low. The problem that they have with the Latino community is it's a growing community rooted 1.00

00:41:53.820 still in a lot of Catholic belief systems. So they are still producing their children, but make no 0.62

00:41:58.940 mistake, Planned Parenthood is in their schools, in our hard hit zip codes, pushing their ideas to keep

00:42:05.100 abortion alive, to keep your children numbers low. So we're already starting to see the Latino 1.00

00:42:11.660 population, Hispanic population rooted in South America and Mexico reduce their numbers. It's bad 1.00

00:42:18.780 enough that the white community is not reproducing themselves at 2.1. They're at 1.6. It's bad 0.79

00:42:24.700 enough the African-American community is just at that place where we're not reproducing ourselves.

00:42:29.980 The Latino community is not far behind. And what's the percentage? Because I think

00:42:35.420 you've talked about the percentage of Planned Parenthood facilities and how disproportionately they're in

00:42:43.100 minority communities. Can you talk about that percentage? I've seen some numbers where Planned

00:42:47.100 Planned Parenthood has 78% of their clinics located within a mile of a distress zip code in a Black

00:42:54.540 community with some Latino in that community. 78%. They're deliberately targeting. And everywhere 1.00

00:43:01.740 they run out of business through the little clinics, they build these monuments to themselves inside of

00:43:07.020 these poor communities to convince women to control their birth rates, to control their birth rates. 0.96

00:43:13.660 That's what they're after. They do not want that Black community. In fact, they're probably depressed 1.00

00:43:18.620 that the Black community still keeps growing. That is still 14% of the population. They don't want 1.00

00:43:23.900 this. That it grew from 4 million former slaves to 45 million African-Americans in the country today.

00:43:29.980 This is not a part of Planned Parenthood's agenda. Their agenda is to annihilate this race of people because 0.99

00:43:36.700 they believe in a superior race. And that superior race that they believe in has nothing to do with melanin 0.93

00:43:42.780 in the skin, okay? Even recently, I think, uh, the president of Planned Parenthood said that, uh, over a

00:43:49.820 thousand women a year would die. But, you know, they're specifically talking about, you know, Dobbs. Oh, you know,

00:43:54.220 if it becomes illegal again, uh, That's a lie anyway. When, when you think about, okay, so we're going to start

00:43:59.260 comparing, well, we're going to have a thousand women die, uh, because, uh, Dobbs may end abortion 1.00

00:44:04.780 or may block granted back to the states for them to decide if they are going to have abortion legal

00:44:09.580 or not. This is an absolute fallacy. Where in the world would they know that? How do they know that

00:44:14.380 those thousand women just won't become mothers? How do they know that people just don't have 1.00

00:44:18.620 abortion because it is legal? I know personal friends who the only reason they had abortion 0.98

00:44:22.860 because it was legal. And then after they're like, oh my God, what did I do? Because the emotions, uh,

00:44:27.020 hit in, how do we know that we're not going to save a thousand lives? Because now when a woman 1.00

00:44:31.500 finds out she's pregnant, she goes and gets that man to marry her. And now that child is brought up 0.82

00:44:36.300 in a healthy household instead of becoming a criminal or killing somebody. I mean, she wanted,

00:44:40.220 you want to compare Planned Parenthood. You want to have a debate with whether they're really helping

00:44:44.380 poor people by providing abortion. No, what they've done is they have crippled an entire generation 0.99

00:44:51.100 of young people who now are lawlessly out of control because they did not have

00:44:56.860 a healthy family upbringing. And the reason they didn't have a healthy family upbringing

00:45:01.180 is because Planned Parenthood has convinced their mom and their grandma that life is better without

00:45:07.740 children. So, you know, jumping to that claim that, you know, uh, the pro-life movement is just

00:45:15.260 religious zealots and, you know, don't care about the women. Um, I'd like to have you, you know, maybe 1.00

00:45:21.340 describe and then respond to some of the claims of the pro-choice movement.

00:45:24.460 Does the pro-choice movement call pro-lifers anti-woman?

00:45:29.260 The pro-choice movement throws anything they can at pro-life women, uh, because pro-life women, 1.00

00:45:35.580 most of the pro-life movement is rooted in religion. It's rooted in Christianity. These are

00:45:41.740 the people that are trying to rescue, uh, the vulnerable, rescue the people that don't have a

00:45:46.380 voice and stop abortion, uh, because they believe that we should procreate. We're created in God's image.

00:45:52.220 So anyone that's fortunate enough to get pregnant is a blessing. And we want that child because we

00:45:58.060 want whatever gift or talent that God created them to bring into the world to come into the world.

00:46:03.900 Uh, the challenge that I run into a lot with some of this discussion is when the pro-life movement

00:46:12.300 changed their mission to become pro-life as opposed to anti-abortion. I think perhaps we would have ended

00:46:20.220 abortion a lot sooner if we stayed the course as anti-abortion. We were talked into as a movement

00:46:28.780 doing something for the child after it's born, because that was the narrative of the left.

00:46:33.820 You guys don't care about the women because you don't care what happens to them after the child is

00:46:39.900 born. And as a result, people started moving their emphasis to answer that question. Is it a good

00:46:44.940 thing to answer that question? Absolutely. And when you think about slavery, the anti-slavery movement

00:46:50.940 never changed its mission. They were anti-slavery, but there was a gap. There weren't people that were

00:46:56.940 pro-liberty enough to make sure that once those slaves were released into our society, they were 0.96

00:47:01.980 somewhere for them to go. So we now have a pro-life community that answers the question about what

00:47:07.900 happens to the child if the mother doesn't want it, if the mother didn't plan it. And that's our

00:47:13.900 pregnancy care centers all across the country and a whole lot of adoption services.

00:47:18.220 So do you think that the criticism, because it's a big criticism that, you know, that pro-choice

00:47:24.620 advocates make is that, you know, oh, well pro-lifers, they don't care about whole life. They just care about

00:47:30.380 unborn life. Is that a fair criticism? And if, if not, you know, what, what is the pro-life movement

00:47:36.460 doing to care for whole life? Well, it's not a fair criticism for the pro-death community to say,

00:47:42.620 well, you don't care about the whole woman. You just care about whether she has that child because

00:47:46.380 the pro-life community believes in marriage. So what would happen to that child under normal

00:47:51.100 circumstances is the care of the family, the care of the people that were involved in that child

00:47:57.900 coming into conception, that child's grandparents that on both sides. So there was an interruption

00:48:05.980 when you start putting abortion into a society and the pro-life community had to catch up with that

00:48:10.860 reality that family, traditional family formation may not happen if a girl gets pregnant. And we saw 0.97

00:48:17.340 it not happen as a girl gets pregnant. That's why we have record numbers of single moms out there today. 1.00

00:48:23.420 Do pro-choicers call pro-lifers anti-science?

00:48:26.140 Do pro-choicers call pro-lifers anti-science? I think that pro-lifers are calling pro-choicers

00:48:32.700 now anti-science because the science is on the side of pro-life. We can look into the womb,

00:48:37.340 we can fix ailments in the womb. So it's the pro-lifers who have the upper hand when it comes to 0.94

00:48:43.180 which one is more scientifically relevant to these discussions.

00:48:47.820 How has the science changed since Roe v. Wade?

00:48:52.780 The science has changed since Roe v. Wade because we keep looking into that great miracle,

00:48:59.340 that awe of life. And so as a result, we have ultrasound, we have ways to do surgery inside the

00:49:05.820 womb. You know, one thing that a man does better than any other created being is we attempt to

00:49:11.900 discover, we look for new truths. And in looking for new truths, you're going to have science follow

00:49:16.940 that discovery and find new ideas, new ways to make things better. And one of those ways is that

00:49:25.900 we have ultrasound. We have technology that has come forth that now we can have a better discussion

00:49:31.420 about the meaning of life in that womb. Can you describe, you know, what can you tell audiences

00:49:39.900 about kind of the story of Roe v. Wade? You know, who was Jane Roe? What was her situation? How did she 0.88

00:49:47.180 get linked up to these pro-abortion advocates? What's that story? You know, I don't know all of

00:49:52.060 the story, but I did know Norma. I met Norma early in my walk into this whole pro-life movement. And she

00:49:59.580 was very challenged woman because from her side of the story, uh, she was talked into becoming the,

00:50:06.780 the, the Jane Doe, if you will, in Roe v. Wade, that she was the one that was, they were going to 0.92

00:50:13.100 use her story, a pregnancy outside of marriage complications, uh, unplanned, uh, to promote this

00:50:21.580 idea. So she died a lonely woman, frankly, thinking that, um, she had done our society and herself a

00:50:28.300 disservice being talked into being the face of abortion for the hard left.

00:50:33.660 So is there, is there a painful irony or a cruel irony in the fact that, you know, the, the abortion

00:50:40.540 lobby claims that they're fighting for vulnerable women when even back to, you know, some of their

00:50:47.420 earliest history, they were using vulnerable women for their own purposes. 0.97

00:50:51.420 Yeah. I think it is hypocrisy that the people that pretend that they care about the most vulnerable,

00:50:58.460 the most are preying on the most vulnerable. They're using them. They're killing them. Abortionists 0.92

00:51:05.020 won't even own up to when a death occurs at the abortion clinic. They try to wheel them to the 0.58

00:51:11.580 hospital. They do anything they can to not tell the family what really went wrong. And a society is

00:51:17.660 complicit because we don't even ask them questions. When people went into Gosnell's clinic on a drug wrap

00:51:25.100 and saw all of those babies frozen, saw the toilet with parts, saw the garbage disposal,

00:51:33.100 saw total and utter filth. You would think we as a nation would have been appalled and ended abortion 1.00

00:51:39.900 at that time, but we didn't. We didn't get anything but more planned policy and more Planned

00:51:44.620 Parenthood funding. So I think that science is on our side, Dobbs is on our side, but I think many

00:51:51.420 people are wondering if God is on our side to really end abortion. Not just make it illegal,

00:51:56.780 make it unthinkable. Not block granted to the states, but declare it as a crime against humanity.

00:52:02.540 That's what I hope the Supreme Court does. This is a crime against humanity. We should not be doing it.

00:52:07.500 No more than we want slavery just block granted back to the states. We tried that. We tried the moving

00:52:13.260 it around, the planned policy, and we ended up in a civil war. Abortion is similar in the way that

00:52:19.660 Roe v. Wade is written, similar to Dred Scott decision, verbatim almost, that this is about property,

00:52:26.860 not humanity. Yeah. Can you give us kind of a direct

00:52:33.100 kind of to a begin with ?

00:52:44.840 Other people you saw there.

00:52:47.580 Those people are up there though and their not redundancy force have a problem.

00:52:49.980 The primary point of their ethical purpose with several funds and what facilitated

00:52:55.440 is where there is another global tool and they are forcing a failure and they don't break

The Michael Knowles Show - September 10, 2022

Choosing Life： The Racism of the Pro-Abortion Movement - Star Parker

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