The Michael Knowles Show - D.C American Horror Story ｜ Lila Rose

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00:00:37.680 A few days ago, I saw in my Twitter timeline the most disturbing news story I think I have ever seen.

00:00:47.960 And this came to me by way of my friend Lila Rose.

00:00:51.120 Lila Rose, the founder of Live Action.

00:00:53.000 It was a series of photographs of babies, obviously babies.

00:01:00.840 No question whatsoever, full-term babies who had been killed.

00:01:05.500 And they had been killed apparently through abortion.

00:01:09.340 And there was a whistleblower, I guess, at this abortion clinic.

00:01:13.260 And you could see the photos with your own eyes.

00:01:16.380 And the police became involved and there was an investigation.

00:01:22.200 And the craziest part was, beyond obviously the actions themselves,

00:01:29.580 the craziest part was the police were investigating the whistleblower.

00:01:35.020 They were not investigating the people who killed the babies that we could see with our own eyes.

00:01:41.240 They were investigating and persecuting, frankly, the people who would ever suggest

00:01:48.680 that maybe there's something wrong with this.

00:01:51.620 Joining me to discuss is my friend Lila Rose.

00:01:54.900 Lila, thank you for being here.

00:01:56.800 Good to see you, Michael.

00:01:58.160 So I really don't know anything about this story.

00:02:02.260 Here's what I know.

00:02:03.020 I know that five babies were photographed as having been killed.

00:02:07.720 I know this took place in Washington, D.C.

00:02:09.980 I know that the remains of the babies were found at a pro-life activist's home.

00:02:16.000 And I know the D.C. police are letting the abortionists off the hook and going after the pro-lifer. 0.96

00:02:22.180 What happened?

00:02:24.140 So to begin with, as you mentioned, there are the remains of five children.

00:02:28.960 So these are five babies who some of them were nearly full term.

00:02:33.140 All of them appear to be viable.

00:02:34.960 When you look at the documentation, and Live Action was invited to do photographic and video

00:02:40.560 documentation of the remains of these five precious children, almost a dozen medical experts have

00:02:46.440 been consulted and have said that they believe that at least two of these children may have

00:02:50.480 been born alive, viable babies, born alive and then left to die or killed.

00:02:55.340 That one little baby girl in particular, about 28 weeks old, who has severe trauma to her body.

00:03:01.620 Her neck was cut.

00:03:02.620 Her brain suctioned out.

00:03:04.300 That appears to be an illegal partial birth abortion, a violation of federal law.

00:03:08.700 So we're talking about two federal laws that may have been violated here just by looking

00:03:12.400 at the remains of these children and also D.C. statute against illegal abortions.

00:03:16.600 The two federal laws in question are the ban on partial birth abortion, the Partial Birth

00:03:21.380 Abortion Ban Act, and then the law called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which

00:03:25.540 ensures that a child, if they are born alive in an abortion clinic, which can happen in a late

00:03:30.380 term abortion procedure, that that baby gets the medical care and the life that they deserve.

00:03:36.100 So the bodies are right now, the remains are in the custody of the D.C. police and the

00:03:40.560 medical examiner's office.

00:03:42.220 They initially said, well, this is no illegal abortion.

00:03:45.300 There was a press conference last week.

00:03:47.140 But then the next day, Washington Post is reporting that the medical examiner and the D.C.

00:03:51.180 police have said that there has been no autopsy, no thorough medical examination has been performed.

00:03:57.440 So they're claiming that there's nothing illegal here without even autopsying the victim's bodies.

00:04:04.440 And then meanwhile, the pro-life activists at the heart of the story, in particular, Lauren

00:04:09.040 Handy and other activists from another group, they're the ones that came into possession of

00:04:14.960 this box of these aborted children's remains that was given to them by a whistleblower.

00:04:19.840 According to them, they they were the ones who worked with D.C. police to hand over these

00:04:24.300 bodies.

00:04:24.680 So there's this news narrative right now.

00:04:26.840 If anyone has been following the story by mainstream press that the police raided the

00:04:30.980 pro-lifers apartment and these crazy pro-lifers.

00:04:33.740 It is absolutely dishonest. 0.99

00:04:36.100 It's a complete and utter lie.

00:04:38.140 The pro-life activists are doing a public service by intercepting the remains of these

00:04:42.180 children who are likely illegally killed.

00:04:43.920 They wanted to give them a proper burial.

00:04:45.740 They wanted justice to be served.

00:04:47.620 And a whistleblower was involved.

00:04:49.540 And then they are working with D.C.

00:04:51.460 police, inviting them to come to their home to say, look at these remains and please have

00:04:56.040 justice be served.

00:04:56.940 And then instead of serving justice right now, D.C.

00:05:00.180 Mayor Bauer, D.C.

00:05:02.340 police, the D.C.

00:05:03.200 medical examiner are sitting on the evidence and no action has been taken to investigate

00:05:08.060 the real criminal here.

00:05:10.400 I believe criminal, which is Cesare Santangelo, an abortionist operating with impunity in the

00:05:16.500 District of Columbia, committing late term abortions and infanticide on innocent, helpless

00:05:21.540 children.

00:05:22.380 What was his name again?

00:05:23.680 What was his name?

00:05:24.100 Cesare Santangelo is the abortionist.

00:05:26.180 Cesare Santangelo?

00:05:28.460 Cesare Santangelo.

00:05:30.040 And remember Kermit Gosnell?

00:05:31.720 Remember the butcher of Philadelphia, the House of Horrors, this abortionist that's thankfully 1.00

00:05:36.400 behind bars because he was also committing infanticide.

00:05:39.280 I mean, I think any abortionist, it should be illegal. 0.96

00:05:41.860 A child in or outside of the womb, same value, same worth.

00:05:44.980 You don't get worth upon birth.

00:05:46.620 You get worth the moment you become a human being, the moment you exist as an embryo.

00:05:51.820 But Cesare Santangelo is the butcher of D.C.

00:05:55.020 He is the Kermit Gosnell of Washington, D.C.

00:05:59.600 Remember, Kermit Gosnell was operating for three decades.

00:06:02.280 He even killed a woman, medical malpractice, committing infanticide.

00:06:06.720 Authorities turned a blind eye until finally they did their job after three decades.

00:06:11.220 That's what's happening here with Cesare Santangelo.

00:06:13.860 And the reason it's happening is because the D.C. mayor, because the D.C. police, and because

00:06:18.740 Congress and our president and his administration, many of them are pro-abortion.

00:06:23.020 And they don't care about infanticide.

00:06:24.440 They don't care about children's lives.

00:06:25.920 They care about defending their political ideology.

00:06:28.260 I am pro-life, as you know.

00:06:31.600 You are pro-life.

00:06:32.740 I was not always pro-life.

00:06:34.480 I, when I was a teenager, even up to maybe some time, I forget exactly when I was convinced

00:06:41.200 of this, maybe early 20, 21.

00:06:44.380 Certainly, though, for my teenage years, I just, I saw nothing wrong with it.

00:06:47.860 I didn't think about it very much.

00:06:49.300 I grew up in a very liberal place, New York, then ended up going to a very liberal college.

00:06:53.540 And it just didn't occur to me. 0.87

00:06:54.740 I thought those pro-lifers are crazy. 0.98

00:06:56.120 They just want to control women. 1.00

00:06:58.340 I was convinced to be pro-life by a bioethicist having an ordinary conversation over a cup

00:07:04.880 of coffee.

00:07:06.060 Had I not been, had I remained pro-abortion, and then I saw these images, I don't think

00:07:14.000 it would be possible to continue to support legal abortion.

00:07:17.580 When I saw the image, I only made it through two of them, and I had to stop looking.

00:07:21.140 When I saw the images, I thought, do I retweet this?

00:07:24.920 It's an important story, maybe the most important story in the country right now, that no one

00:07:29.620 wants to talk about.

00:07:30.680 Or do I not, because it's so horrifying.

00:07:33.060 And I thought, when I posted it, I said, if you are a pro-lifer, and you do not support

00:07:41.380 legal abortion, and you know where you stand, and you know the reality of this issue, don't

00:07:46.000 look at it.

00:07:46.480 It's going to give you nightmares.

00:07:47.820 Don't look at it.

00:07:48.560 If you, in any way, support legal abortion, and you're comfortable with that position, 0.75

00:07:55.200 look at every single one of these pictures and tell me you still support that. 0.90

00:07:58.980 I think you would have to be a stone-cold sociopath to look at these photos and continue to support 0.50

00:08:06.800 abortion, much less like somebody, and write this name down, post this name on the roof, 0.97

00:08:12.920 on billboards, post this name on Cesare Santangelo, this psycho, this butcher, this serial killer, 0.98

00:08:21.320 this stone-cold murderer who would do this. 0.61

00:08:24.400 You would have to be completely devoid of any human feeling to do this or to endorse it.

00:08:32.200 I mean, you're right, Michael.

00:08:34.300 You're absolutely right.

00:08:35.440 And yes, it is devastating to look at the aftermath of a child that's been mangled,

00:08:41.540 that's been tortured to death.

00:08:43.020 I mean, two of the babies were completely dismembered, and you know, it's possible they were dismembered

00:08:48.640 while alive.

00:08:50.120 You know, typically, the abortionist may try to do a lethal injection first and then dismember 0.60

00:08:53.980 the child, but sometimes they just are sloppy.

00:08:56.300 And Cesare Santangelo, we've been investigating him for a decade.

00:08:59.020 He's sloppy.

00:09:00.180 He doesn't care. 0.99

00:09:01.380 He's there to kill, and he'll do it whatever is the easiest means for him. 0.89

00:09:04.560 So, living dismemberment, excruciating of an infant, this baby, one of the baby girls

00:09:11.080 that looks like she was dismembered, that was dismembered, they are estimating about 30

00:09:15.020 weeks old.

00:09:16.000 30 weeks old.

00:09:17.800 That's who they're caring for in neonatal intensive care units across the country.

00:09:23.860 And then in abortionists across the country, that same baby girl can be dismembered while 1.00

00:09:28.660 alive.

00:09:29.860 Yes, it's devastating.

00:09:31.280 I mean, I've been a pro-life activist for over 15 years now, and I'm devastated.

00:09:36.680 I'm broken all over again.

00:09:38.320 But listen, if we're pro-life, we should allow ourselves to be broken by this.

00:09:42.560 And if we're not pro-life, we should become pro-life, and it should spur us to action.

00:09:46.720 Because I agree with you, Michael, I think this is the biggest story in the country.

00:09:50.920 We can talk about a war overseas.

00:09:51.800 We can talk about border crisis.

00:09:54.800 We can talk about the economy.

00:09:56.660 We can talk about all kinds of causes.

00:09:58.820 But how we treat children is the definition of who we are as a people.

00:10:03.140 And we are treating them savagely.

00:10:05.140 And our laws are permitting it in some cases.

00:10:07.860 Our authorities who should be intervening and protecting these children are permitting it.

00:10:12.180 And we cannot allow this to continue.

00:10:14.380 So, you know, one other note here.

00:10:16.780 Live Action has been investigating Cesare Santangelo for a decade.

00:10:20.560 This abortionist told us on undercover camera nine years ago.

00:10:24.620 This is the first time he admitted it on undercover camera.

00:10:26.840 That he would leave a born-alive infant in his facility to die.

00:10:31.940 He admitted on tape already he would commit infanticide.

00:10:34.320 And if you type in his abortion clinic name, anyone listening, if they're at their computer,

00:10:38.460 they want to type in Google this, Surgy, D.C. Surgy Center, or D.C. Surgy Health abortion.

00:10:47.320 The Google reviews for the business of this abortionist, two of them.

00:10:51.240 He has like two stars.

00:10:53.240 I mean, everybody who goes there, the women are just, you know, having a horrific experience 0.99

00:10:57.760 because he's running a chop shop. 0.92

00:10:58.960 So he's murdering babies and, you know, harming women.

00:11:02.400 But two of the Google reviews indicate that the women were concerned their babies were born alive, 0.94

00:11:07.540 going in for abortions.

00:11:09.140 And they even say in the Google review that their baby might have been born alive at 27 weeks.

00:11:14.100 You know, she had to go to the hospital. 1.00

00:11:16.020 She wasn't sure if they could resuscitate.

00:11:18.080 I mean, it is a blatantly obvious story of what's happening. 0.99

00:11:23.180 You could be the dumbest police officer or mayor or public official in the history of any civic system 0.97

00:11:30.540 and get that this is a serious crime that's being committed and we should do something about it. 0.99

00:11:36.140 He's taking thousands of dollars in exchange for dismembering living infants.

00:11:41.340 So how have we not done something about this?

00:11:44.100 How have we not put this murderer behind bars?

00:11:48.040 Even to this day, I believe he's at his clinic continuing this atrocity.

00:11:51.880 So, you know, I can't say strongly enough that we need to take action.

00:11:55.740 We can't just sit and, oh, what a horrible story, what horrible pictures.

00:11:58.520 We can change this by urging the political powers to do the right thing

00:12:04.740 and by exposing these evils that are taking place.

00:12:07.320 So you point out that the D.C. authorities are covering this up.

00:12:11.360 And of course they're covering it up.

00:12:12.600 They've been doing this for a long time, not just in D.C., but in lots of liberal cities.

00:12:16.820 They're not ignorant.

00:12:17.800 They know exactly what people knew what was going on in Gosnell's chop shop.

00:12:21.080 People knew what's going on in Sant'Angelo's chop shot.

00:12:24.240 And they're covering it up because they support abortion.

00:12:27.120 It's become, frankly, the sacrament of the left.

00:12:30.080 It's not just safe, legal, and rare, obviously.

00:12:32.360 It's shout it from the rooftops, have parades, have agilatory videos

00:12:38.900 about how wonderful it is to get abortion.

00:12:41.160 So they're covering it up.

00:12:43.080 They're obviously complicit.

00:12:45.080 You say that this guy almost certainly violated federal law.

00:12:49.620 What about D.C. law?

00:12:51.080 There are D.C. statutes against illegal abortions.

00:12:54.300 There are D.C. statutes against infanticide.

00:12:56.840 So this is not just, you know, a hot potato issue.

00:12:59.760 Oh, the feds have to take care of this. 1.00

00:13:01.400 I mean, there are D.C. laws that are being broken, too, I believe.

00:13:03.980 So this is, I mean, every single, you know, Tom, Dick, and Harry in law enforcement

00:13:08.780 or every single political figure that has any kind of responsibility should be alerted to this.

00:13:15.320 They are alerted, by the way.

00:13:16.380 They already all know we've been communicating with them.

00:13:18.400 And, you know, Congress sent them a letter last night.

00:13:21.280 Twenty-four members of the Senate and the House sent a letter to the mayor of D.C. urging action.

00:13:26.860 So they know, they know.

00:13:29.100 And the big question is, what will they do?

00:13:30.680 Because as far as we understand, the bodies are still, the remains are still in the possession of the D.C. police.

00:13:36.380 No autopsy has been performed.

00:13:38.580 No investigation is being done into Cesare Santangelo that we know of right now.

00:13:42.860 One other piece of information to add to this sordid story is that the medical waste company,

00:13:48.300 so the box of the remains of the children was intercepted from a medical waste company,

00:13:52.960 was given by a medical waste company driver to the pro-life activists.

00:13:57.040 And this company is called Curtis Bay, and they're based out of Maryland.

00:14:02.020 And, you know, on their website, as of last week, they said that they pride themselves

00:14:05.520 in doing cradle-to-grave recovery of biomedical waste that they then turn into renewable energy

00:14:12.060 that they would presumably power local businesses and neighborhoods with in the D.C. area.

00:14:18.000 So they're taking the remains, they were taking the remains of children

00:14:23.700 and incinerating them to turn them into renewable energy to then turn around and sell it.

00:14:30.500 And, you know, it's beyond, this is something you would read in a dystopian horror novel,

00:14:34.860 but this is what's happening.

00:14:36.940 And Curtis Bay, of course, has publicly said, oh, these are not our bodies, we don't do this,

00:14:41.620 and they actually took cradle-to-grave off their website.

00:14:44.580 We know whose bodies these are.

00:14:46.860 They're the kills of Cesare Santangelo, who's continuing to operate with impunity in D.C.

00:14:51.940 It's also the line, cradle-to-grave, is not true,

00:14:55.200 because in an even remotely anywhere close to just society,

00:14:59.920 when someone dies at any age, they're put in a grave.

00:15:02.800 Here, in this dystopia that we're living in, they're turned into energy to power our blenders,

00:15:10.000 to power our electric lights.

00:15:12.860 That is, I...

00:15:13.560 Sorry.

00:15:14.840 Yeah.

00:15:15.180 I mean, and that was another thing that I thought was so dishonest about media coverage of the story,

00:15:19.980 is there were some attacks, even from some self-professed pro-lifers,

00:15:25.380 or even some, I think, you know, kind of the more, they claim to have religious titles like Christians or Catholics,

00:15:32.080 folks that were saying, well, how dare the pro-life activists have the remains of these children?

00:15:36.520 And the reality is, the pro-life activists who were given these remains want to give them a proper burial.

00:15:42.300 They want justice for them.

00:15:43.420 So the people that are truly treating these children with dignity are the ones that are exposing the horror with which they were treated,

00:15:51.120 so that it stops and future children are not treated that way,

00:15:53.880 and that are trying to give these children a proper burial.

00:15:57.040 Because after being unceremoniously murdered, dismembered, treated torturously to death,

00:16:04.400 not loved and held like they deserved, but killed.

00:16:07.720 They were being sent to be burned and turned into energy at some biomedical incinerator.

00:16:14.560 I mean, it is...

00:16:16.400 There's no better story today in this country that reveals the depths of America's horror story that is abortion.

00:16:25.120 And it's playing out in our nation's capital, and it is incumbent on all of us to do something about it.

00:16:31.260 I love America.

00:16:32.840 I do.

00:16:33.200 I'm an American patriot.

00:16:34.400 I love my country.

00:16:35.140 I think it's good to love your country.

00:16:36.920 You know, my country is my country.

00:16:39.460 I could no more leave my country or deny my country than I could deny my own family.

00:16:43.660 It's really hard to love your country when you hear a story like this.

00:16:46.280 It's really hard.

00:16:47.520 You're talking about...

00:16:48.880 The thing about this story is that it's not unusual.

00:16:54.520 I guess that's the scariest part.

00:16:56.440 If it were unusual, if it were extraordinary, that would be one thing,

00:16:59.400 and you try to prosecute this killer, Santangelo.

00:17:02.920 So, but the problem and probably the reason that they're covering up for him is this is a perfectly quotidian story.

00:17:10.780 This happens all over the country every single day.

00:17:14.140 And so if you go after this guy, if the people in charge, if the ruling class admits that this guy is doing what he's doing,

00:17:21.420 which is slaughtering little babies, then they've got to go after all of the other ones too. 1.00

00:17:26.400 The craziest part, I guess, is that we're arguing over whether...

00:17:30.720 Is this a violation of federal law?

00:17:32.540 Was the baby killed five seconds after the baby came out or five seconds before it?

00:17:37.060 Because that's the decisive...

00:17:38.260 Well, what the hell is decisive about that?

00:17:40.020 It's the same baby.

00:17:40.900 It's five seconds.

00:17:42.400 Yeah, you're exactly right, Michael.

00:17:44.000 I mean, our laws are schizophrenic, but there are still technically laws against infanticide.

00:17:48.800 And shouldn't they matter?

00:17:49.760 I mean, apparently they don't, not to the D.C. mayor, not to Congress, not to Joe Biden and his administration right now,

00:17:55.820 not to the Department of Justice, the current Department of Justice.

00:17:58.700 But, you know, putting the story in context, you know, there have been several states in just the last month

00:18:04.700 that have tried to or are trying or have legalized or further codified abortion up until birth.

00:18:11.760 Colorado's governor, Jared Polis, just signed into law an act that will effectively legalize abortion through all nine months.

00:18:20.200 Any reason, no questions asked, no conscience protections for medical workers.

00:18:24.940 You know, they enshrined abortion as a right in their law, in Colorado state law.

00:18:28.580 So if you're a medical worker, you don't want to be participating in an abortion.

00:18:31.420 You're now, you know, denying a woman her right, including for any late-term abortion.

00:18:35.220 California, there was a bill on committee just yesterday that will permit not just abortion through all nine months in California,

00:18:42.000 which is largely already permitted, but also in the perinatal period, which can be up to weeks after a child is born.

00:18:49.760 And that would mean it decriminalizes the killing, the slaying, the neglect until death of a child even weeks after he or she is born.

00:18:58.020 I've got to pause you there.

00:18:59.220 A member of our staff told me this earlier, mentioned this to me.

00:19:03.540 I hadn't seen the news story, and I thought, oh, you know, look, I put nothing past the radicals these days, but she just got that wrong.

00:19:12.300 There is no way.

00:19:13.280 That's a little fantastical.

00:19:14.520 You've been spending a little too much time on the message boards.

00:19:17.340 You're telling me this is real.

00:19:18.680 Yeah, the law specifically states, and anybody could read it word for word.

00:19:22.920 Live Action News is reporting on this right now.

00:19:24.860 Go to liveactionnews.org.

00:19:26.120 The law specifically states that there will be no criminal penalties, that it's basically decriminalizing any action taken by a mother and her doctor with regard to her pregnancy, including in the perinatal period, which is both the weeks before birth and the weeks after birth.

00:19:45.380 So if they decide to withhold care from that infant, according to this California law, if it goes into effect, they cannot be held criminally responsible.

00:19:54.700 I used to make dark jokes, Lila.

00:19:56.860 I used to make sort of dark, when we talk about all the evils of the country, I said pretty soon the left is going to be endorsing fourth trimester abortion.

00:20:03.160 It's something that, even for the radicals, is just so beyond imagination.

00:20:08.520 And it's now being seriously proposed in California.

00:20:13.680 We've got to leave it there.

00:20:14.760 We're out of time.

00:20:16.460 Your work on this story has been incredible.

00:20:19.180 The work of Lauren Handy, did you say her name is?

00:20:22.920 The pro-life activist is just absolutely incredible.

00:20:25.900 Where can people read more about this, and where can they find you?

00:20:28.660 Thank you.

00:20:29.260 Liveaction.org is the website.

00:20:30.580 I'm Lila Grace Rose on Twitter and tweeting reports on this all day long.

00:20:34.960 And there's action items that people can take to make a difference here.

00:20:37.960 But I so appreciate you covering it.

00:20:39.340 I know it's hard.

00:20:40.160 I mean, it's devastating.

00:20:41.460 But we can make a difference here in saving the lives of children.

00:20:44.800 I think we all should.

00:20:45.600 That's great work.

00:20:46.380 Lila, thank you, as always, for coming on.

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 16, 2022

D.C American Horror Story ｜ Lila Rose

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