The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： America’s Identity Crisis

00:00:00.000 Hey, Michael Knowles here. The latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage,

00:00:03.200 America's Identity Crisis, is available now. Join me, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan,

00:00:08.700 Matt Walsh, and the lovely Candace Owens as we discuss everything from Candace's hit new

00:00:12.980 docuseries Convicting a Murderer, the possible impeachment of Joe Biden, and California

00:00:17.640 passing a bill allowing judges to consider whether a parent affirms

00:00:22.420 a child's gender identity during custody battles. Take a listen.

00:00:30.000 Two, one, fake laugh.

00:00:47.840 That was a real laugh from Candace. Welcome to Daily Wire's Backstage. Tonight, I am joined by Ben

00:00:56.560 Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan, the lovely Candace Owens. I am not Jeremy Boring. I'm

00:01:02.360 Michael Knowles. We have quite a lot to get to this evening. Forget about the news stories.

00:01:10.240 Forget about the impeachment for a second. Forget about Emily Ratajkowski for a second. 1.00

00:01:14.700 Forget about the man in the giant hamster wheel crossing the Atlantic Ocean if you can.

00:01:18.440 I want to talk about Convicting a Murderer. Candace, your documentary series is out.

00:01:26.660 You're proving that dirty, rotten guy to be completely guilty. I don't know. I haven't 0.98

00:01:30.520 seen all the episodes yet. Yes. Well, I can't tell. You're going to have to become a Daily Wire

00:01:33.820 Plus member to subscribe to see all of the episodes. But yes, we released Convicting last week.

00:01:38.680 Very exciting. It's obviously, it feels like a labor of love. And it is a very interesting story

00:01:44.100 to dive into, especially after doing the BLM doc. Because I think people always think that we jump

00:01:49.420 or I jump into something racially. And it's really just about wrong is wrong and right is right.

00:01:55.920 The Stephen Avery case came so much before BLM, but right when BLM was getting started and there

00:02:02.620 was this anti-police sentiment and Netflix kind of seized on that moment culturally to make people

00:02:08.980 believe that a guy, a most contemptible person, once you really get into his history,

00:02:14.040 was plausibly being set up by the police. And it was a smash docuseries at the time. It honestly put

00:02:19.880 Netflix on the map back in 2015. All the usual suspects of celebrities going out there and saying

00:02:26.240 he was innocent. Alec Baldwin, update, he's killed someone since. You have Chrissy Teigen,

00:02:33.880 Trevor Noah and, you know, finally white people see that the system's corrupt. You know,

00:02:39.980 everything that you could expect. And bizarrely, the people that thought he was guilty from the

00:02:46.120 beginning, James Franco, Matt Walsh, just unbelievable. Me and James Franco line up on a lot of things.

00:02:52.520 It's just crazy. And Donnie Wahlberg for standing against the trio. That's a murderer's row right here.

00:02:57.980 I know. I just, I like that trio. I don't know. It feels right.

00:03:02.380 The prophets of our age.

00:03:03.080 You knew. Drew knew that he was guilty.

00:03:04.260 But I think everyone's guilty. I mean, I would like you to spend the rest of your career just

00:03:07.960 convicting people who've gotten off by TV people.

00:03:10.920 Isn't the rule reverse Syria? 0.96

00:03:12.560 They're always guilty.

00:03:13.200 They're always guilty. I mean, everybody, because the cops arrest people who are guilty most of the time.

00:03:17.480 Right. But you know what's interesting is we're kind of in this spell right now in American society

00:03:21.200 where they are pursuing this plot line everywhere that the villains are actually the heroes.

00:03:25.500 And in the imaginary world, like Disney movies, like Maleficent, suddenly actually, no, there's a

00:03:31.280 heart there. The Joker, no, you really have to hear the backstory. It doesn't really matter that

00:03:34.300 he killed somebody. Actually, deep down, something happened to him and the villain is actually the

00:03:38.540 hero. And we see this over and over again happening. Wicked, the green witch. Actually,

00:03:43.320 she had a soul and people wronged her. But when it trips over into real life, it gets quite dangerous.

00:03:49.640 It really does get quite dangerous. And the cult behind Stephen Avery, the fact that he's had

00:03:54.720 multiple fiancés in prison, that women are lining up, that they love him, which happens anyways.

00:03:59.260 Ted Bundy, it's a weird phenomenon that people want to marry a psychopathic killer, I guess.

00:04:04.380 But to see how it impacts the lives of the victims who suddenly are accused of, in the case of Teresa

00:04:10.280 Hallback, being alive. Right. People came up with conspiracy theories because they watched a Netflix

00:04:16.440 doc, harassed the family, deeply faithful Catholic family, never spoke to the press, told them the

00:04:21.440 daughter was alive. They said they traced the cows and she was in Mexico. I mean, really out there

00:04:27.000 theories. And you had the majority of people that were willing to believe it because of a documentary,

00:04:33.340 which brings into the question, why do we trust documentaries naturally more than like a movie?

00:04:38.720 A movie, you go, OK, some level of propaganda and storytelling. But a documentary, they obviously are

00:04:43.300 telling me the truth on Netflix and the Central Park Fiverr are innocent. Right. And Jeffrey Dahmer

00:04:49.240 has just actually had a bad childhood. It's incredible. Netflix does this over and over

00:04:54.020 and over again. They love a villain is actually the hero story.

00:04:57.620 What? One thing you learned from the way people react to these kinds of fake documentaries is

00:05:03.220 that I think there's a crisis in our culture of people not having finely tuned BS detectors,

00:05:09.340 which you need to have that. There should just be things that jump out at you. So for me,

00:05:14.140 it was, we talked about this in the Twitter space, the X space, I guess now, that when I

00:05:19.200 learned in the TV, I watched Making a Murderer. And then I learned that, and they kind of gloss

00:05:24.300 over this and they mention it, they gloss over it, but that he doused a cat in gasoline and set

00:05:29.220 the cat on fire. Now, that doesn't mean that he's guilty of murdering, raping a woman. 0.97

00:05:33.520 And who among us? 0.86

00:05:34.480 Right, exactly. It's like, that's the kind of thing that you hear that it should immediately

00:05:38.600 make you think, well, something's not right. It's kind of the same thing. I think it's very

00:05:41.340 similar to, not to change the topics, but, you know, the free Britney movement. And there was the

00:05:45.040 whole Britney Spears documentary. And then you learn with Britney Spears that, well, wait a second,

00:05:48.560 she lost custody of her kids in California, you know, as a mother. Again, it doesn't mean that

00:05:53.880 she necessarily deserved to be under a conservatorship, but it's one of those things

00:05:58.480 that you hear that and it should make you think, well, I got to learn more about this. But people

00:06:02.000 don't, they don't connect those dots.

00:06:03.780 One of the things that's really fascinating about this particular case, and I think you're

00:06:07.360 exactly right to focus in on the sort of undermining of legal institutions on this one,

00:06:12.100 is that there have been so many, as you mentioned, podcasts like Serial or documentaries like

00:06:17.920 this one that are basically outsiders to the justice system who can, and I promise you,

00:06:22.500 I worked in a prosecutor's office for a summer at one point. And one of the things that's very

00:06:26.300 obvious is that if you spin reasonable doubt to mean literally any doubt, you can construct any

00:06:31.020 story you could possibly want to construct. It's really not that difficult, right? You can go through

00:06:34.860 all the evidence and you can find like the most crazy explanations for things and then hook those

00:06:38.660 together. And you can do it in literally any case. It's really not difficult to do it in any case.

00:06:42.660 But if you don't know the system, then you've never really experienced that before. And so it feels

00:06:45.900 like something new. It feels like, oh my God, no one presented some of the evidence that was on

00:06:49.300 the other side, even if it was presented in court, or even if they're actually taking things out of

00:06:53.180 context. So I think it comes back to a level of institutional trust. And so you can have a

00:06:57.860 documentarian go in and sort of weasel their way into the institutional mistrust and then blow it up

00:07:02.720 with a case like this, even if the case is bad.

00:07:04.980 It's also if people have never seen a cop work outside of television.

00:07:09.160 This is right.

00:07:09.600 Because, you know, the police, God love them. I love the cops, but they're not Sherlock Holmes. I mean,

00:07:13.940 in Britain, they call them Mr. Plod. And there's a reason for that. They plod along

00:07:17.660 until they've got the guy. And a lot of times, you know, even when the defense brings in

00:07:23.200 police misconduct, it's usually misconduct because they know he's the killer.

00:07:28.800 They think, all right, we'll cheat a little here.

00:07:30.540 Well, actually, that's a great example, because you do see this all the time where you'll see a 0.62

00:07:33.320 tape of a police officer doing a thing. And everybody goes, oh my God, that's so horrifying.

00:07:36.360 The police officer does the thing. And it's because you've never seen a police officer do a thing

00:07:39.100 before.

00:07:39.320 Right. They're held to such high expectations. And it's funny that you said, because I mentioned

00:07:42.820 that, that people assume it's like the movies that they're like, well, why are the same police

00:07:46.900 officers involved in this case? But we're also involved when Stephen Avery was, I'm like,

00:07:51.200 have you been to Manitowoc County, Wisconsin? How many police officers do you think they even have

00:07:56.680 out here? And then there's this moment in the documentary, because we had the police officers,

00:08:00.880 which I, you know, Netflix attempted to finger as there, they were just in it for a plot

00:08:05.680 and they didn't want to pay out this $36 million lawsuit. And it's just so interesting to hear

00:08:10.260 them say, yeah, we made a couple of mistakes. We're human beings. If I, if I knew this was

00:08:15.580 going to be turned into a Netflix docu-series and that I would be getting death threats from

00:08:21.200 Norway, maybe I would have not made that phone call without, you know, on my cell phone, as

00:08:27.740 opposed to on the police radio. I mean, it's like little mistakes like that. And that's all

00:08:32.060 they needed to believe that Teresa was gone. This victim was gone with the cows in Mexico. 0.74

00:08:37.500 There's also something they call the CSI syndrome, which, whereas people actually think that police

00:08:42.020 departments have these things where they can find an atom, you know, of blood, five rooms

00:08:47.000 out where most police departments are lucky. They have a mimeograph machine or like a, you know,

00:08:52.320 an old Polaroid camera. You know, it's, it's just, they, they really do not understand what

00:08:57.060 police work is and how much of a plot it is, how much of a, just the kind of going down the,

00:09:02.260 the steps until you get to the guy who's obviously the killer.

00:09:06.100 I wonder if too, part of it is that we're now suffering from this moment where no one has

00:09:10.500 trust in any institutions. And I don't, I don't blame the people for that. I largely blame the

00:09:15.140 institutions, but you know, when that happens, what we call conspiracy theories spread. Why do

00:09:20.580 conspiracy theories spread? Well, because often these days, the difference between a conspiracy

00:09:24.440 theory and the truth is about six months. And then neither side believes in our elections anymore.

00:09:29.360 And obviously neither side is going to believe in the justice system, but I don't know, sometimes

00:09:35.700 they get the guy, don't they? Right, exactly. And I am fascinated by the psychological elements of it.

00:09:40.760 Just really understanding the fandom of Stephen Avery and the people that were willing to look over

00:09:45.380 things like burning the cat. I got his rookie card, yeah. Tying a dog, his dog ran and got loose.

00:09:51.340 And according to his brother, who's featured in this documentary, he got angry because the dog

00:09:55.980 got loose. And so he tied it to a chain to his pickup truck and just dragged it down, drove it

00:10:00.360 down the street. This is not normal behavior, but to see the justification that people will make and

00:10:05.000 just be like, well, it doesn't mean that he eventually killed a woman. Oh, well, he held a

00:10:08.440 rifle to his cousin and ordered her into the car while she had a toddler in the car. Well, it doesn't

00:10:14.320 mean he's capable of, I mean, they just keep going and then, well, how about the fact that he

00:10:17.420 murdered someone? There's also the assumption, we talked about this off air a little bit, but

00:10:26.480 the conspiracy theories, there's this, one of the problems with conspiracy theories is the

00:10:29.480 assumption people make that government employees are capable, are so competent that they can come

00:10:35.220 up with these kinds of plots. They hatch them and then they execute them. So we're talking about

00:10:39.160 aliens now. Sorry. Oh, we can get to that because we found out off air that Candace Owens is a big 1.00

00:10:44.540 supporter of the other. You know, over 8 million people across all platforms have seen this great

00:10:51.260 documentary series. It is the second most popular TV documentary on Rotten Tomatoes. Episode four

00:10:57.320 drops this Thursday night. Take a look. Coming up on Convicting a Murderer. What would be the upside for

00:11:05.820 this man? I mean, he just got out of prison. He has this new lease on life. What would be the motive

00:11:11.300 for something like this? We're talking about somebody with unexplainable, impulsive behavior,

00:11:16.900 a pattern of violence and aggression. There were a lot of coincidences on the day that Teresa

00:11:23.140 Halliback was killed and Making a Murderer either completely omitted them or only presented half of

00:11:28.740 the story. Stephen Avery leaves work and doesn't tell his brothers. He'd never used his sister's phone

00:11:34.940 member to book an appointment before. Stephen Avery makes two phone calls to Teresa's phone. Why is he

00:11:41.900 blocking his caller ID? I don't think Teresa liked Stephen the way Stephen wanted her to like him.

00:11:49.420 You are the murderer because he turned your ass down. 1.00

00:11:51.980 Candice, if they haven't watched yet, where can they watch? Daily Wire Plus. Dailywireplus.com. 1.00

00:12:04.740 They can head over there. The first episode we actually put up for free on YouTube, which

00:12:07.600 I think will be enough to hook you. We've really done an excellent job with this series. I'm very

00:12:11.660 proud of what we've done. And then we have episode two available as well as free in case episode one

00:12:16.540 did not hook you. And then you will have to become a Daily Wire Plus subscriber. Dailywireplus.com.

00:12:23.200 You can't go wrong. I do want to ask you guys a question. It was something that I started asking.

00:12:25.900 If you bring up these aliens, so help me. No, I'm not. I wanted to go back to that point.

00:12:29.600 We're going to get there, but I do want to ask you guys this question about just this series,

00:12:32.060 like a moral question. And I was kind of prodding you with this on the X space, but, you know,

00:12:36.800 Brendan Dassey is the second person who's spending life in prison. He was 16 years old. His uncle kind of

00:12:41.020 coaxed him into this crime. And it's interesting that even the people that believe that Stephen Avery is guilty

00:12:45.640 have this soft spot for Brendan Dassey. Now, I'd just like to say she was raped by both men. She 0.97

00:12:50.620 was stabbed. She was shot. She was set on fire. This is a 22 year old woman with her entire life

00:12:54.580 ahead of her. What is your opinion when a youth is involved in a crime? Because they kind of have

00:13:01.100 been like, well, it's just sad. Even the reporters that are involved in the case that he's spending

00:13:04.160 the rest of his life in prison. And I just think when I was 16, there was no person that could have

00:13:09.440 coaxed me into doing all of these things to a person. So do we just say, oh yeah,

00:13:15.440 he should be out because his uncle, you know, coerced him or not coerced him, but, you know,

00:13:21.740 manipulated him?

00:13:24.580 What's the other option? Because I think everyone would agree that, I hope everyone would agree

00:13:28.340 that you can't do nothing. You can't just let him, he murdered and raped someone. So you can't 0.98

00:13:33.440 just let him go. The other option is to what? To send him to prison, let him kind of like marinate

00:13:37.880 in that environment with a bunch of other psycho killers for five or 10 years and then release

00:13:42.260 him back into society. So that's not a tenable option. It's not justice. It's also not safe

00:13:47.440 for society. So really, that's, I kind of feel the same way about the, you know, when

00:13:51.680 people cry, you know, plead insanity. It's like, well, even if that is the reason that

00:13:56.060 you did this horrible thing, you still did it. 0.55

00:13:58.680 Right.

00:13:59.060 And if you are not capable of understanding that you shouldn't behave that way, that's

00:14:03.400 all the more reason to keep you segregated from society for the rest of your life.

00:14:06.560 I do think in a perfect world, there would be a healthcare, I mean, he was the one thing

00:14:10.100 in that documentary. I'm like a total hard ass about these things. The minute I see the 0.96

00:14:14.160 documentary girl come on and say, well, we just wanted to explore if this person, I think

00:14:17.360 he's guilty, go away, go home. But the one thing that tweaked some dead spark of compassion

00:14:24.200 in me is the fact that he seemed to be retarded. He seemed to be a little mentally ill. And in 0.99

00:14:29.740 a perfect world, there would be some, you know, like in the movie Halloween, some place 0.92

00:14:34.300 where you could put insane people, but there's just not.

00:14:37.440 That's the perfect world, Halloween. 0.60

00:14:37.960 But he wasn't mentally retarded. He is stupid, but all criminals, to some degree, are very 1.00

00:14:42.760 stupid. I mean, criminals are not like a high IQ population. 1.00

00:14:45.660 No, no, Unabomber is pretty high.

00:14:46.460 Get away with these things, right?

00:14:47.960 Generally, they're...

00:14:49.040 I think that a lot of this also has to do with our society's weird perspectives on when

00:14:55.900 people are responsible for their actions based on age. Right? I mean, we'll say that

00:14:59.300 a 16-year-old boy can say that he's a girl and we'll immediately start eating him full 0.59

00:15:03.200 hormones or we'll say that a 16-year-old girl can get an abortion and suddenly that's her 1.00

00:15:06.940 choice. But if a 16-year-old boy rapes and murders someone, then all of a sudden it's 0.94

00:15:10.760 like, well, that is an innocent child. How dare you? And, you know, this is something 0.74

00:15:14.700 that is relatively newfangled, honestly. Like, even if you go back to the 1950s in the United

00:15:20.420 States, the notion that a 16-year-old who did this would not be tried and convicted as

00:15:24.960 an adult would have been insane. Because the idea would have been, you're an adult. I mean,

00:15:28.080 if you're 16, that used to... Now, we've got 25-year-olds and 30-year-olds now who aren't

00:15:31.900 adults. I mean, this sort of reversion to childhood, I think, for a lot of adults is

00:15:35.280 one of the reasons why they're freaking out about this sort of thing. And again, it's

00:15:40.140 incredibly variable. It's like, well, basically, we hold you responsible for certain things

00:15:43.340 but not responsible for other things. At 18, you're allowed to join the military. But if

00:15:47.200 it's an 18-year-old who commits a crime, then he's a boy just in his youth. And how could

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00:18:40.720 Speaking of convicting people of things, did you see the House Republicans are looking

00:18:47.340 into impeaching Mr. Joe Biden?

00:18:49.300 House Speaker Kevin McCarthy just announced it today.

00:18:52.300 He says that they've got a lot of juicy dirt on him.

00:18:55.280 And so they've got serious, credible allegations into Biden's conduct that will serve as the

00:19:00.480 basis of an impeachment inquiry.

00:19:01.840 Just very quickly, there's not a ton to say about this because we impeach every president

00:19:06.060 now.

00:19:06.500 You know, it's not exactly-

00:19:07.680 Multiple times.

00:19:08.300 Multiple times if we can. 1.00

00:19:10.260 Is this smart or stupid for the Republicans to do? 0.99

00:19:13.840 Well, I mean, there's a question for McCarthy and then there's a question for Republicans 0.99

00:19:17.060 more broadly.

00:19:17.660 So it's not stupid to push an impeachment of Biden unless you can't get the votes on

00:19:22.280 the Republican side. 1.00

00:19:22.920 Then it's stupid. 1.00

00:19:24.020 This is the real danger. 1.00

00:19:24.800 The real danger is you bring it up for a vote and you actually don't get a majority

00:19:27.560 even with a Republican majority. 0.99

00:19:28.820 That's your real danger because then you look foolish and you look like vindictive. 0.99

00:19:32.240 Like Democrats got all their people on side. 0.98

00:19:34.220 I'm not sure that Republicans are going to get all their people on side.

00:19:37.120 What McCarthy did here was he was being held hostage by a group.

00:19:40.120 First of all, can I just put this out there?

00:19:42.020 Legally speaking, the term impeachment inquiry doesn't mean anything.

00:19:44.680 It doesn't grant you any extra serious legal power.

00:19:47.260 You already have subpoena power in the Congress.

00:19:49.020 You already have the power to compel testimony theoretically.

00:19:51.060 So it doesn't add anything.

00:19:52.440 It's just like a thing you say.

00:19:53.920 It's the equivalent of Michael Scott saying, I declare bankruptcy.

00:19:56.540 That's really what it is.

00:19:57.460 It's like now we officially have an impeachment inquiry.

00:19:59.580 And the media is like, breaking news, impeachment inquiry.

00:20:01.780 If you want to impeach the guy, just impeach the guy.

00:20:03.140 But the reality is that, you know, I think that what happened here is that McCarthy was

00:20:07.600 getting pressure from his right flank on the budget deal.

00:20:10.680 And he said, OK, fine, I'm going to do the impeachment inquiry.

00:20:12.780 He doesn't actually have the votes to open the impeachment inquiry, which is why he did

00:20:15.040 it without a vote.

00:20:16.100 If he could have done it with a vote, he would have done it with a vote.

00:20:17.800 He didn't have the votes.

00:20:18.540 So he simply declared without a vote that there would be no impeachment inquiry.

00:20:21.740 Also, that's what Pelosi did last.

00:20:22.880 That's Pelosi did.

00:20:23.440 So he can certainly get away with that.

00:20:25.580 It's a smart political move on his part.

00:20:27.940 My generalized feeling about, quote unquote, impeachment inquiries is like everybody knows

00:20:31.060 the story.

00:20:31.500 So either impeach the guy or don't impeach the guy.

00:20:33.340 I don't know what an inquiry is going to do at this point other than theoretically,

00:20:38.000 possibly.

00:20:38.500 If there's not impeachment at the end of the inquiry, it's a giant fail, right?

00:20:41.480 So why would you light that candle?

00:20:44.160 It's not going to burn.

00:20:45.280 It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:20:46.500 Where there's smoke, sometimes there isn't fire.

00:20:48.440 Now, is it possible that in this inquiry they could get more proof?

00:20:54.080 I don't know what more proof you need.

00:20:55.120 I'll be honest with you.

00:20:56.120 I'm sick of hearing that there's no evidence and there's no proof.

00:20:58.480 It's absurd.

00:20:59.220 There's a full-on text from Hunter Biden to his daughter talking about paying half of his

00:21:02.100 dad's bills.

00:21:02.860 We know that he went around to a bevy of countries and collected $20 million in checks

00:21:06.860 on behalf of various causes.

00:21:08.240 We know that Joe Biden has been trafficking using his name since he was 30 years old in

00:21:11.800 the United States Senate.

00:21:12.660 I mean, all of this is well-documented.

00:21:14.260 He was using his connections in Delaware to get MBNA to hire Hunter.

00:21:18.800 He was trafficking with unions back in his early days in Delaware.

00:21:22.200 I mean, the guy's corrupt as the day is long.

00:21:24.020 They used to call him the senator from MBNA.

00:21:26.200 That's right.

00:21:26.560 From this bank in Delaware.

00:21:27.860 He literally was calling into meetings with his son.

00:21:29.700 Like, I'm not sure what else you would need if you want to hit him on a corruption charge.

00:21:33.080 And this is the thing that I am concerned about, is I don't know that they're going to

00:21:36.780 actually have another shoe to drop.

00:21:38.080 Because here's the thing.

00:21:39.180 Let's say that you're Joe Biden.

00:21:40.700 Do you actually need the money coming into your bank account personally?

00:21:43.080 Right.

00:21:43.300 I doubt it.

00:21:44.720 If it comes into Hunter's bank account and then Hunter is living at your house and Hunter

00:21:47.640 just buys a car and then you use the car sometimes.

00:21:50.000 Or let's, I mean, we all have kids.

00:21:51.600 So, you know, if you were bribing me theoretically by giving my kid a job, that is a form of bribery

00:21:56.600 to me, I would think.

00:21:57.380 Yep.

00:21:57.840 That is a form of payment.

00:21:59.920 Of course. 0.58

00:22:00.620 Especially if he's a derelict, like Hunter Biden, who's literally one of the worst people 0.97

00:22:05.180 alive. 1.00

00:22:05.780 Like, unemployable, drug-addicted, prostitute-abusing piece of garbage. 1.00

00:22:09.660 And, like, you're getting a multi-million dollar, like, that is a bribe. 1.00

00:22:12.840 Is it not?

00:22:13.720 See, I think Ben's take on this is highly moral and ethical, and that's why I disagree with

00:22:17.860 it.

00:22:18.640 I think this is a good political move, both for McCarthy and for the Republicans.

00:22:23.180 The FBI are using this ongoing investigation dodge.

00:22:26.520 They're not investigating Hunter Biden.

00:22:28.240 They're just stalling until the statute of limitations runs out.

00:22:31.160 And so, they're using this ongoing investigation dodge as a reason why they can't answer questions

00:22:36.180 in a timely manner.

00:22:37.560 If they say it's an impeachment inquiry, it doesn't have any legal weight.

00:22:42.740 But just in terms of the media, just in terms of the way it sounds, it sounds more important

00:22:47.260 if the FBI says, well, we can't give you information.

00:22:49.280 So, well, this is, you know, an impeachment inquiry.

00:22:51.700 I think that's a good idea.

00:22:52.980 And even if it doesn't result in impeachment, you can drag this out forever.

00:22:56.540 And I think that that's basically the plan.

00:22:58.420 The plan is to just keep this going until and unless they can get the votes to actually

00:23:03.100 What I'm afraid of, I am concerned that there are going to be like five to ten Republicans

00:23:06.520 who are just not going to get on board with it, and then he's not going to have a majority

00:23:09.000 of his, you know, he just won't go through.

00:23:11.040 And if that fails in the House, that's actually a real black eye for him.

00:23:13.740 Yeah, but he can just keep the inquiry going for a long time.

00:23:16.420 So, if the inquiry keeps going, then I saw this suggested by a somewhat prominent conservative

00:23:21.720 today.

00:23:22.560 Do you think there is any chance that Joe Biden, who is a million years old, who can't pronounce

00:23:27.700 his own name, that he, who does seem vulnerable to certain corruption charges if the DOJ would

00:23:33.860 ever bring them, would he step aside, say it's for health?

00:23:37.840 Okay, all right.

00:23:38.480 That was my answer.

00:23:39.200 No way.

00:23:39.940 All right.

00:23:40.500 You mean out of honor?

00:23:41.560 Is that the joke?

00:23:43.320 Is that the punchline?

00:23:44.660 What if he did it?

00:23:45.700 What if he said, well, it's because my health is declining enough?

00:23:49.880 He can't.

00:23:50.260 He can't step aside.

00:23:50.980 He's been in public office his whole life.

00:23:52.420 He can't let go of it.

00:23:53.340 I mean, this is the story of the country.

00:23:54.620 I agree.

00:23:54.920 That's what, we've got this gerontocracy running us into the ground by these old, ancient, 0.98

00:23:59.060 decrepit zombies who cannot let go of power. 0.95

00:24:01.620 I mean, the boomer generation. 0.76

00:24:02.860 I take this person.

00:24:03.440 He's a pre-boomer.

00:24:04.320 He's a pre-boomer.

00:24:05.000 Yeah, he's a pre-boomer.

00:24:06.280 But, I mean, you've got...

00:24:07.520 That's quoted in that Pony Soldier movie.

00:24:08.640 That's from 1952.

00:24:09.880 He was 10 years old when that happened.

00:24:11.720 He was 10 years old.

00:24:13.100 And you've got...

00:24:13.780 I wasn't born with that movie.

00:24:15.000 That's insane.

00:24:15.900 Nancy Pelosi just announced she's running for re-election.

00:24:18.180 Dianne Feinstein.

00:24:19.080 I mean, it's...

00:24:19.620 John Fetterman isn't old, but he is like a cucumber.

00:24:22.440 So it's the same, it's this same story, which is why, not to move away from the impeachment

00:24:27.220 thing, but I'm actually, I don't know where you guys all stand on this, but to me, it's

00:24:31.220 so obvious that if we were a serious country, we would be talking about and enacting age

00:24:37.280 limits on the presidency.

00:24:38.560 I can't see any argument.

00:24:40.260 I am opposed to age limits on any public office.

00:24:43.900 The age limit is the ballot box.

00:24:45.280 75 years old.

00:24:46.920 So you've got from 35 to 75.

00:24:48.600 You have 40 years to get it done.

00:24:49.920 You can't get it done in 40 years.

00:24:51.260 It wasn't meant for you.

00:24:52.100 Go home, Gramps.

00:24:53.180 Sit on the porch.

00:24:53.980 I'm with you on that.

00:24:55.160 You know, the Senate, the word Senate comes from Senate.

00:24:57.620 What's the downside?

00:24:58.000 What's the downside to saying we're putting the cutoff at 75?

00:25:00.880 There's some actual people who are alive at 75.

00:25:03.120 I mean, like, Joe Biden is not.

00:25:03.920 You have to be dead. 0.96

00:25:04.980 You know? 0.99

00:25:05.280 I mean, like, not to, not to, not to, you know, I'm known for my great and abiding support

00:25:10.080 for President Trump.

00:25:10.920 But I mean, like, President Trump is more alive by a long stretch than Joe Biden.

00:25:15.300 I mean, he's the same Ronald Reagan he's always been 30 years ago.

00:25:18.340 I mean, so you think it would, would it be harmful to the country to say we don't want

00:25:22.560 people after 75 running for the most important?

00:25:24.560 I think that what that really speaks to, and this is just true of our politics in general, 0.99

00:25:28.700 is that the voters suck. 1.00

00:25:29.720 Okay. 1.00

00:25:29.960 Let's be honest.

00:25:30.560 They do, which is why we need to put protections in place to accommodate for the suckiness of 1.00

00:25:35.300 the voters.

00:25:35.540 You're asking the voters to vote for them not, to put limits on themselves.

00:25:38.980 When has this ever worked?

00:25:40.000 Like, when has this been a thing that has happened?

00:25:42.440 Well, I'm not saying it would happen.

00:25:43.380 I'm saying that it absolutely should happen.

00:25:44.560 It sounds like you guys think that it shouldn't.

00:25:45.840 To me, it's obvious.

00:25:46.840 Look, here's the other thing.

00:25:47.820 After 80, your chance of getting dementia is at, like, once you get 80, your chance is

00:25:52.360 like 20%.

00:25:53.000 I mean, it's, you know, and then it goes up and up and up from there.

00:25:55.480 So, basically, by the time you get to 85, almost everybody has at least a little bit

00:26:00.200 of dementia.

00:26:01.660 Drew, tell me.

00:26:02.480 Yeah, no.

00:26:03.080 What?

00:26:04.580 Where am I?

00:26:05.520 Who's Drew?

00:26:05.920 I would very much vote yes.

00:26:06.920 75 is fine.

00:26:08.300 I mean, I don't see anything that could be wrong.

00:26:10.020 There's no downside to saying you have to run between 35 and 75.

00:26:13.700 And if we have a lower age limit, why not an upper?

00:26:16.620 If we're saying that...

00:26:17.320 I would rather there be 30-year-olds running for a president than to have 80-year-olds.

00:26:21.560 Oh, I totally disagree.

00:26:22.780 Have you met 30-year-olds?

00:26:23.540 Yeah.

00:26:24.180 Have you met 80-year-olds?

00:26:25.100 Well, hold on.

00:26:25.680 Right now, the 30-year-olds are the millennials.

00:26:27.460 I'd rather have an 80-year-old than a normal 30-year-old in this country right now.

00:26:29.620 Really?

00:26:30.060 Honest to God.

00:26:30.660 Have you met a lot of 30-year-olds in this country?

00:26:31.920 Have you met a lot of the 80-year-olds that are running?

00:26:33.720 Well, so we have a 38-year-old running for president right now.

00:26:36.240 And he's doing a lot better than people thought he would.

00:26:37.960 But he's just...

00:26:38.500 The voters aren't picking him.

00:26:39.740 They're picking Trump over...

00:26:40.780 The other thing is, when you're 80 years old, you almost...

00:26:43.000 You probably have dementia.

00:26:44.520 All kinds of...

00:26:45.220 You know, your chance of having...

00:26:46.020 You almost definitely have some kind of cancer.

00:26:47.440 Like, all these things have...

00:26:48.400 But also, you're not going to be in the country that you are leading for very long.

00:26:52.680 You're at the end of the road for you.

00:26:54.600 And so whatever you do as a president, you aren't going to have to be around to deal with

00:27:00.220 any of the consequences of that.

00:27:01.300 That makes me very uncomfortable.

00:27:02.260 At least when someone's 30, they're going to have to live in this country for a long 0.96

00:27:04.780 time afterwards.

00:27:05.700 They've got some skin in the game.

00:27:06.840 Joe Biden has nothing in the...

00:27:08.240 He doesn't even have his mind in the game anymore.

00:27:09.540 He's got nothing in the game to cop out.

00:27:10.240 And I want to say, Trump is an exception, not the rule.

00:27:12.660 Like, Trump never drank his entire life.

00:27:14.540 And that's part of the reason why there's no mental deterioration there.

00:27:16.800 You're right.

00:27:17.280 He's on it.

00:27:18.080 He had a lot of energy throughout the four years he was in office.

00:27:20.780 But he is very much the exception, not the rule.

00:27:22.940 Joe Biden is the rule.

00:27:24.280 Right.

00:27:24.740 When you get to that age.

00:27:25.660 He's 80% comprised of actual preservatives.

00:27:28.160 Right.

00:27:28.700 Exactly.

00:27:29.320 He's like a French fry of a human.

00:27:30.280 It literally is defying life expectancy to say that above, you know, 75 people should be

00:27:34.980 able to run.

00:27:35.500 It's just another rule we don't need.

00:27:37.140 I agree with you about the voter.

00:27:38.560 We need rules.

00:27:39.340 We need tons of rules right now.

00:27:41.020 Okay, so can I ask you, why not?

00:27:42.560 It's not a rule problem.

00:27:43.300 What would you prefer?

00:27:43.660 Okay, so let me ask you this.

00:27:44.600 Let's assume that we need a rule.

00:27:45.660 That's fine.

00:27:46.380 What would you prefer?

00:27:47.040 A competency test at any age or an age test?

00:27:51.100 I'd like to do both.

00:27:53.040 There are doctors they bring in that say that Joe Biden's fine.

00:27:55.720 No, like a public competency test.

00:27:56.960 First of all, it would make amazing TV.

00:27:58.200 Like a public competency test.

00:27:59.400 Like you put them on TV.

00:28:00.780 Public, okay.

00:28:01.340 Public competency test.

00:28:01.980 You got me.

00:28:02.540 You got me.

00:28:02.980 Who decides on the test?

00:28:03.360 Dr. Fauci.

00:28:04.520 And Dr. Birx.

00:28:06.140 Right.

00:28:06.640 It would be like Spellcat.

00:28:09.340 But I guess the real question here is, do we really believe that the problem afflicting

00:28:15.560 the country is that the people have too much say over the direction of things?

00:28:19.660 And also, this is not a rule problem.

00:28:21.640 This is a cultural problem.

00:28:22.560 The fact that we can't get past the boomers and we can't, you know, we had Obama and it 0.99

00:28:27.900 was such a disaster that everybody's like, well, let's go back to those boomers. 0.97

00:28:30.800 But after a while, you run out of boomers, you know? 1.00

00:28:32.780 And I think we've kind of reached that point.

00:28:34.420 This is actually, there's actually a problem with new ideas coming into the culture.

00:28:39.580 There's, you know, it's shut down.

00:28:41.600 There's so much information flowing, but nobody knows what's true anymore.

00:28:45.240 And so there's no ideas that anybody is actually talking about that are serious, you know,

00:28:50.100 progress from where we were before.

00:28:52.380 Honestly, I also think that the senility attack on Biden is like the least problematic thing

00:28:56.580 about Joe Biden.

00:28:57.000 Right.

00:28:57.480 Right.

00:28:57.620 Like, I'd prefer that Joe Biden continue to stumble into walls.

00:28:59.880 That's fine.

00:29:00.300 I honestly don't care about that.

00:29:01.980 Like, the fact that he's senile, yeah, it's shameful on the world stage.

00:29:05.280 But, I mean, Bill Clinton was, you know, shaming the world and shaming our country in

00:29:09.460 a different way back in the 90s.

00:29:10.840 Like, to me, the problem with Joe Biden is that he's a horrifically bad president promoting 0.95

00:29:15.100 incredibly bad policies, and he's deeply corrupt.

00:29:17.680 And by the way, I think that the senility attack by Republicans is actually not going to

00:29:21.660 play.

00:29:22.280 The reason I think it's going to not play is because if the matchup is between Trump and Biden,

00:29:25.640 which it seems like almost guaranteed it will be, if that's the matchup, Biden will just

00:29:29.460 hide in the basement the whole time.

00:29:30.640 And he will run the same campaign as last time.

00:29:31.920 I'm a dead person.

00:29:32.680 I'm an unthreatening dead person.

00:29:33.980 COVID's back, and it's bigger than ever.

00:29:35.580 Yeah, they're doing COVID again.

00:29:36.660 All he has to say, this time, all he has to say is, I'm not going to debate an insurrectionist.

00:29:40.500 Right? 0.99

00:29:40.640 That's the crap that happened. 0.98

00:29:41.240 I don't think that's true. 0.98

00:29:42.320 I think, I mean, all the polls show that probably the attack that works the best on Biden

00:29:46.040 right now is age.

00:29:47.000 Even a lot of Democrats agree with that.

00:29:48.320 No, but they agree with it.

00:29:49.300 But that's not going to stop them from voting for him.

00:29:50.960 Yeah.

00:29:51.100 And then what, so this is, the truth is, I mean, so when you look at the polls that

00:29:54.820 are extremely even right now between Trump and Biden, there are two stats that I'm a

00:29:58.580 little suspicious of in the polls.

00:29:59.780 And I don't want to like poll read a year and a half out, but I'm going to do it anyway.

00:30:02.080 So here's the, here's, here's the two stats that bother me about the polls.

00:30:05.140 One is the suggestion that Biden is only going to win something like 54% of the minority

00:30:10.060 vote.

00:30:10.360 I don't see how that's true.

00:30:11.480 I just, I can't see how that's true.

00:30:13.080 I think that that number is much more like 62, 63%, mainly because that's been the number pretty

00:30:17.680 much forever.

00:30:18.600 And a stretch of that magnitude would be very, very large.

00:30:21.540 And Trump really outperformed on minorities.

00:30:23.280 I don't think he's going to outperform to the tune of 45% of minorities. 0.99

00:30:26.240 That's one.

00:30:26.860 The other one is that there's a massive enthusiasm gap right now in all of these polls that they're

00:30:30.060 measuring.

00:30:30.520 And then that enthusiasm gap is like in the last CNN poll that was really bad for him.

00:30:34.900 It was 71% of Republicans saying they were highly motivated to vote and 61% of Democrats

00:30:40.600 saying that they were highly motivated to vote.

00:30:42.720 Well, I don't believe that either.

00:30:44.380 And the reason I don't believe that is because Donald Trump is amazing in two things.

00:30:46.920 One, getting out Republican votes, amazing at it.

00:30:48.800 And two, getting out Democratic votes, absolutely unbelievable at it.

00:30:51.500 Like he's really good at those two things.

00:30:53.080 Democrats are not enthusiastic to vote for this old bag, but we used to live in California

00:30:57.220 and I promise you, Democrats will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump.

00:31:01.360 And then there's also the fact, there's also the, the, the indictments in the trials,

00:31:05.220 which are going to have no effect on Trump's base.

00:31:07.440 If they may bring out more people in Trump's base, but they're going to completely obliterate

00:31:11.120 any independence.

00:31:11.860 Those polls, do you think?

00:31:12.760 The same poll that shows them tied has him down among independents 47, 38.

00:31:15.400 I just don't see how that lines up.

00:31:16.920 But, but, but the.

00:31:18.080 Listen, he could still win, obviously.

00:31:19.860 The, I mean, look, I think all social science is bunk, but I cite it when it underscores my

00:31:25.800 point.

00:31:26.280 And when it comes to the prosecutions, the majority of Americans believe that the prosecutions

00:31:32.460 are politically motivated and unjust.

00:31:34.380 So that presumably includes a lot of independents and even some Democrats, right?

00:31:38.680 It's something like over 60%.

00:31:39.660 I mean, which polls are your settings?

00:31:40.700 The same polls will suggest that a majority of Americans wish for Trump to be prosecuted.

00:31:44.840 Yeah, I, look, I'm not saying that there isn't a contradiction within these things, but

00:31:49.200 like the fact that you can get people overwhelmingly agreeing with something that we all know to

00:31:55.040 be true, which is that this is politically motivated.

00:31:57.060 This shouldn't be happening.

00:31:58.200 It is a rigging of the game.

00:31:59.420 I don't know that we could predict a year, over a year out.

00:32:02.000 Two things simultaneously.

00:32:02.860 They're saying politically motivated and also we want to be prosecuted, which is not

00:32:05.560 great.

00:32:06.080 And basically what you have right now is both parties locked in the predator meme.

00:32:09.020 And the thing that they agree on is that there's no way we're going to lose to the

00:32:11.760 other guy.

00:32:12.220 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:12.800 And one of them is going to be wrong.

00:32:13.880 Yeah.

00:32:14.200 It's going to be a disaster when that happens.

00:32:15.600 It says something about the system that nobody wants this match, rematch.

00:32:19.500 Nobody wants this election.

00:32:20.400 And that's exactly what we're going to get.

00:32:21.440 And it's what, right now it looks like what we're going to get.

00:32:23.780 Yeah.

00:32:24.200 What?

00:32:25.180 I guess there's just no alternative to that.

00:32:28.140 So do we all say that right now it's just going to be Trump?

00:32:31.020 He's up by 30 points.

00:32:32.840 More.

00:32:34.660 I'm the only person who thinks it's simply to, look, obviously it looks like that's what

00:32:39.240 it's going to be.

00:32:39.940 But I still think there's many a slip between the cup and the lip and it's really early

00:32:43.600 still.

00:32:44.180 And we still haven't seen what the donors will do around Thanksgiving.

00:32:47.080 I don't know.

00:32:47.840 I don't think the donors matter.

00:32:48.660 But I do think that in order to knock Trump out, you're going to have to knock him out

00:32:51.660 obviously extremely early.

00:32:53.460 So everybody's focusing in on Iowa and they're forgetting that like a bunch of Republican

00:32:56.620 candidates won Iowa.

00:32:57.460 They ended up winning the presidency, obviously.

00:32:58.920 Iowa hasn't decided the nominee since 2000.

00:33:01.680 That's right.

00:33:02.160 And New Hampshire only decided really McCain and Romney.

00:33:06.500 And so it's really South Carolina, which is sort of the make or break state.

00:33:09.980 And right now that's lining up perfectly for Trump because you've got Nikki and Tim who

00:33:13.920 are both in the race, both of whom will draw some support and Ron who's in the race.

00:33:17.460 So, I mean, right now that looks like a crab pot for everybody who's not named Trump.

00:33:21.700 Yeah.

00:33:22.220 I mean, the only thing that could change is if a bunch of these challengers drop out, which

00:33:25.500 just isn't going to happen, right?

00:33:26.680 And even so, a bunch of the challengers drop out.

00:33:28.540 But Trump nationally is like at 59% or some insane number, you know.

00:33:32.600 And even in all these states, he's still up 20%.

00:33:34.940 Well, nobody, nobody, the truth is nobody except for Vivek is running a good campaign.

00:33:38.980 And Vivek is running a good campaign because he's doing the things that a campaigner is

00:33:42.240 supposed to do.

00:33:42.680 He's going to everyone.

00:33:43.560 He's talking to everybody.

00:33:44.900 I don't like a lot of the things he's saying.

00:33:46.200 I think that he's flip-flopping on a bunch of issues.

00:33:47.840 But I'm not sure that matters anymore.

00:33:49.060 So, I mean, in terms of who has the energy and who's out there, like just in terms of

00:33:52.580 he's not going to be the nominee.

00:33:53.620 I'm willing to bet money on it.

00:33:55.100 I like Vivek personally.

00:33:56.380 That's fine.

00:33:56.780 I don't even think, frankly, that he's running for the presidency.

00:33:58.580 I think he's running for the vice presidency or Senate from Ohio.

00:34:00.920 That's all fine.

00:34:01.480 Or maybe he's running for the podcast that he just, oh, that's fine.

00:34:03.520 He's allowed to do any of those things.

00:34:05.240 But in terms of everybody else running a campaign, they're all doing unbelievably crappy

00:34:08.880 jobs.

00:34:09.480 I don't know.

00:34:10.000 I mean, I really like Tim Scott, you know, has been out talking about his girlfriend that

00:34:13.080 goes to another high school.

00:34:14.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:15.080 He's from Canada.

00:34:15.920 Canada, yeah.

00:34:16.560 You know, look, I'm not making any claims about whether or not Tim Scott has this girlfriend

00:34:22.700 he talks about.

00:34:23.640 But I will tell you, it is much more believable than the notion that Cory Booker is dating

00:34:27.480 that Rosario Dawson. 0.92

00:34:28.720 I would say that, like, still kills me.

00:34:30.340 He cast an actual actress to be his.

00:34:32.020 He literally cast an actress, a lesbian actress to be, did you see them when they kissed?

00:34:35.420 When they, like, everyone was like, give her a kiss.

00:34:36.760 And they were like, I really don't want to do this.

00:34:38.160 They were like, and then, like, nobody mentioned it.

00:34:41.200 It was, honestly, that kiss should be shown.

00:34:43.660 It was incredible. 0.98

00:34:44.280 And she's, like, a lesbian. 0.99

00:34:47.960 There's more sensuality kissing your grandmother than that kiss with Rosario. 0.87

00:34:50.640 More or less believable than Obama and that weird guy that Tucker interviewed.

00:34:53.780 Oh, my gosh.

00:34:54.580 It was, it was.

00:34:55.340 His boyfriend.

00:34:56.300 Yeah.

00:34:56.940 Yeah.

00:34:57.280 Okay.

00:34:57.660 That's great.

00:34:58.380 So, speaking of odd incidents that took place, kind of a weak segue, wasn't it?

00:35:04.080 It was a little bit weak.

00:35:04.760 Like, this is actually a very sad story, but it's sad for, like, five different reasons.

00:35:08.240 You saw that young woman.

00:35:09.540 She was a pregnant young woman, I think, 21 years old.

00:35:11.560 Yeah.

00:35:11.800 Takiyah Young, who died because she was in a car, gets pulled over by the cops.

00:35:16.900 The cops say, hey, stop driving.

00:35:19.360 And then she just starts driving and they shoot her.

00:35:22.280 She wasn't pulled over by the cops.

00:35:24.420 She had just robbed a grocery store and, or a store of some description.

00:35:29.780 Shoplifting.

00:35:31.180 And she, her and multiple people, and they called the police.

00:35:35.020 We even have a clip of the shoplifting.

00:35:36.740 Yeah.

00:35:37.060 When you're, when somebody is shoplifting.

00:35:39.060 Oh, it looks like, is that a liquor store?

00:35:40.180 What is, just.

00:35:41.280 She's six months pregnant. 0.95

00:35:42.560 She's pregnant. 1.00

00:35:42.880 She's pregnant. 1.00

00:35:43.360 Shoplifting.

00:35:44.040 Yeah.

00:35:44.360 It's always a good move.

00:35:45.720 Shoplifting.

00:35:46.240 Yeah.

00:35:46.420 Liquor.

00:35:46.760 All of this is obviously good decision-making.

00:35:49.220 I say this as someone who has nine weeks left of my own pregnancy here.

00:35:53.440 So this is just stunning to me, like all the decision-making that's happening here.

00:35:56.940 And she, they called the cops, which is what you're supposed to do. 0.55

00:36:00.580 And the cops are supposed to come.

00:36:02.100 And she got into her car.

00:36:03.380 They told her to stop.

00:36:04.240 She essentially just started blaming other people, saying, ah, the other person was stealing.

00:36:08.260 The other person was stealing.

00:36:09.300 And then she made off in her car and could have killed the officers because it's a vehicle. 1.00

00:36:17.920 It's a car.

00:36:20.000 And they told her to stop, told her to stop.

00:36:21.800 She didn't stop.

00:36:22.580 So when they finally pull her, I mean.

00:36:24.040 Started running them over.

00:36:24.700 She's in the parking lot.

00:36:25.420 And we have, we have body cam footage.

00:36:27.400 It's amazing how much footage we have of this entire incident.

00:36:29.740 Right.

00:36:30.260 And so there's not a ton of ambiguity here.

00:36:32.220 I think we have, we have the clip.

00:36:35.520 1828.

00:36:35.920 Do not leave.

00:36:36.720 Get out of the car.

00:36:38.000 Then, then get out.

00:36:39.780 No.

00:36:40.420 Then get out.

00:36:41.180 Get out of the car.

00:36:42.180 Get out of the car.

00:36:42.880 Get out of the car.

00:36:44.620 Get out of the car.

00:36:48.200 Shots fired.

00:36:49.120 Shots fired.

00:36:49.840 Stop the car.

00:36:52.260 Stop.

00:36:52.900 Stop.

00:36:53.420 Stop.

00:36:53.820 Stop the car.

00:36:54.980 Oh, my God.

00:36:55.960 Come on.

00:36:57.640 It's rule number one.

00:36:58.700 Yeah.

00:36:58.940 When they tell you to get out of the car and they have a gun pointed in your face.

00:37:02.100 Get out of the car.

00:37:02.740 I will say that the police, that cop did.

00:37:06.080 Screw up.

00:37:06.760 As far as I understand, police procedure in when you've got a suspect who might flee,

00:37:11.040 you don't stand in front of the vehicle.

00:37:13.080 Like that is not proper police procedure. 1.00

00:37:14.480 That's a very stupid thing to do to use your body to block in a car. 0.98

00:37:18.020 Maybe if you're in your police cruiser, but not your body. 0.99

00:37:19.960 So that's, that was not the right thing for him to do for his own, for the sake of his

00:37:24.000 own self-preservation.

00:37:25.100 But once she starts driving into him, she is wielding a lethal weapon. 1.00

00:37:28.180 He has every right to defend himself.

00:37:29.840 And that's why with all these cases, you know, this is the next BLM martyr. 0.91

00:37:33.300 And we always talk about systemic racism and all this nonsense and Black Lives Matter.

00:37:39.020 You know, they're marching in the street chanting Black Lives Matter again.

00:37:41.880 But, you know, the person who needs that message is Takiyah Young herself. 1.00

00:37:44.880 Like, you know, why don't you value your own life enough and the life of your unborn child

00:37:49.240 enough to, to make, to make just a reasonable decision?

00:37:53.220 Like once the cops are there, there, there is no way that running is going to make your

00:37:58.360 situation any better.

00:37:59.600 It automatically.

00:38:00.680 It's also self-fulfilling prophecy, right?

00:38:02.440 Like you tell people enough that if the cops are going to murder them and then they get

00:38:07.160 in a situation with the cops and then they do things that cause the cops to kill them.

00:38:11.040 Right?

00:38:11.420 If you keep telling people over and over and over, over and over that no matter what you do, 0.68

00:38:14.500 no matter what you do, the end of this is the cop is going to shoot you.

00:38:16.960 And you're in a car and a cop is pointing a gun at you. 0.98

00:38:19.020 And you've been told it doesn't matter what you do next, the cop is going to shoot you.

00:38:22.300 Well, I can be out of the car and the cop can shoot me or I can be in the car and the 0.99

00:38:24.880 cop can shoot me. 0.99

00:38:25.780 And so you're in the car and you decide to take a shot at it. 0.99

00:38:28.560 I mean, like, again, these lies actually have consequences.

00:38:30.920 The cops were not going to shoot her.

00:38:32.180 If she got out of the car, she would be alive right now.

00:38:34.020 What I can't get over is the liquor store part. 1.00

00:38:38.420 Forget about the, we see this, someone gets pulled over and then they act like an idiot and 0.99

00:38:42.560 then they do everything wrong and then they get into this dangerous situation. 0.99

00:38:45.420 I can't get over the liquor store.

00:38:46.980 How many wrong turns did this woman have to make in her life to get to the point where 1.00

00:38:52.640 she is robbing a liquor store? 1.00

00:38:54.220 By the way, not just, you know, a bottle of wine to have with a loaf of bread to feed her family.

00:38:58.560 Like she's putting bottles of hard liquor into her bag while she's six months pregnant. 1.00

00:39:04.280 How many, how many bad choices, how many bad lessons, how many things went wrong?

00:39:08.820 And then I don't want to sound like the bleeding heart liberal here though, but in a way society

00:39:13.380 must have failed this woman to, to society has failed everybody. 1.00

00:39:17.520 When they pull, when the authorities pull their support from the police, you've got people

00:39:22.260 out in the street doing all kinds of things that, that basically the authorities, the government

00:39:26.680 is saying, well, that's not really a crime.

00:39:28.740 Basically saying that the honest people deserve what they're getting.

00:39:31.400 Yes.

00:39:31.720 That the society is so evil, inherently evil, that if somebody is robbing you, it's probably

00:39:36.960 There's that line in the crown in the, about the monarchy where it's the head of the household

00:39:42.460 in the palace.

00:39:43.440 He says, it's in the little things that the rot begins.

00:39:47.500 And I think every little lesson, every little wrong thing this woman ever did that where 1.00

00:39:51.220 she got off the hook, where they said, oh, we're not going to prosecute that.

00:39:54.320 We're not going to punish you.

00:39:55.040 We're not going to teach you the right way to behave.

00:39:56.760 All of those little tiny things, over time, get to the point where you're just robbing

00:40:02.920 a liquor store and running over cops.

00:40:04.180 Before we get to society, though, on a smaller scale, it's her family who failed her.

00:40:09.380 That's why every time, again, with the BLM martyrs, the family comes out and they're crying 0.99

00:40:14.840 tears and they're upset.

00:40:15.660 And I believe that they're actually upset.

00:40:16.860 But at the same time, I always have to think to myself, where were you in this person's

00:40:20.600 life?

00:40:21.460 How did they end up in this situation?

00:40:23.120 When was the last time you talked to this?

00:40:24.140 Right, exactly.

00:40:24.640 Where's the dad comes out of the woodwork sometimes?

00:40:27.200 I don't know if he has in this case, but where's the dad been?

00:40:29.780 We could pretty much guarantee she didn't have a dad at home.

00:40:31.820 We already know that without even looking into a biography.

00:40:34.200 So it's the family.

00:40:34.940 I wanted to say that, you know, in some instances, people look at these situations and you think,

00:40:38.740 OK, well, she's operating out of fear. 0.98

00:40:40.480 She's got a gun. 1.00

00:40:41.180 And maybe that's why she... 0.99

00:40:42.160 No, that's not what's happening here.

00:40:43.280 And I want to be very clear.

00:40:44.560 This woman knew from start to finish that she was committing a crime because of BLM, because 0.71

00:40:48.880 of George Floyd.

00:40:49.440 This is why you've seen so many of these circumstances.

00:40:51.080 They're saying, George Floyd, George Floyd, hands up.

00:40:53.660 They're saying these things because they're thinking no police officer, especially a white

00:40:57.760 police officer, is going to have audacity to do anything else.

00:40:59.940 This is all just meaningless threats because we actually hold the power now in post-BLM 1.00

00:41:04.100 America.

00:41:04.920 And in most circumstances, they're right.

00:41:06.500 Police officers are afraid to do their jobs because they're fearful of being called racist.

00:41:09.880 What she's suffering from is the arrogance that has transcended the block community 0.99

00:41:13.360 since BLM and George Floyd, where we now think we don't have to listen to police officers

00:41:18.560 at all.

00:41:19.180 We don't have to listen anymore.

00:41:19.860 We're officially above the law because we have been told by culture.

00:41:24.300 We've been told by corporations.

00:41:25.480 We literally ran in there, robbed the target, and the CEO said, we understand, right?

00:41:29.860 We understand why you took these flat screen TVs.

00:41:32.380 We ran in and we took Gucci.

00:41:34.000 We did this.

00:41:34.620 And literally, the media and the politicians were saying, we understand, okay?

00:41:38.640 So she's been raised in this generation that says that even when you're committing a crime

00:41:43.480 in broad daylight, the task is for people to be understanding, right?

00:41:48.440 So yes, is she a victim of media warping her brain and making her believe that she's

00:41:54.260 above the law?

00:41:55.180 Yes. 1.00

00:41:55.540 Is she a victim of her own stupidity? 1.00

00:41:57.060 Yes. 1.00

00:41:57.720 Is that the saddest part about this, obviously, is the loss of the innocent life? 0.99

00:42:00.860 And it's unthinkable of how selfish and narcissistic, how trashy, how awful of a human being she 0.95

00:42:06.060 had to have been to put her unborn child in that circumstance. 0.96

00:42:08.540 And I say that as very fired up and close to the end of pregnancy, of just thinking of

00:42:12.480 how unbelievably selfish everything that she did was there.

00:42:14.960 Hormones surging.

00:42:16.040 And then to go online and see her trending under the hashtag, rest in power. 1.00

00:42:20.500 Yeah. 0.89

00:42:21.020 It's absolutely sickening.

00:42:22.840 You know, and the news media bears so much responsibility for this.

00:42:26.900 You know, crime obviously is a human problem.

00:42:29.160 There's always going to be crime, but high crime is a policy problem.

00:42:31.860 The people who create policy, who make policy, are to blame for high crime. 1.00

00:42:36.340 The cop is the guy at the bottom whose only job is to keep you safe from the stupid mistakes 1.00

00:42:41.660 that politicians make. 1.00

00:42:42.840 And the politicians go to the press and they say, well, it's the cop's fault. 0.96

00:42:45.780 The cop is a racist. 0.91

00:42:46.960 And the press goes off like a dog chasing a ball. 1.00

00:42:49.760 To me, that is so shameful.

00:42:51.800 That's the first thing that a reporter should say is, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:42:56.440 You made that policy, not the cop.

00:42:58.040 The cop is suffering from the policy, just like the neighborhood is suffering from the

00:43:01.420 policy. 1.00

00:43:02.120 Our media sucks. 0.98

00:43:03.780 The one thing, if there's one thing I agree with Donald Trump about 100 percent, is those 0.99

00:43:08.500 people are the enemies of the people. 0.96

00:43:10.760 They are just not doing their jobs.

00:43:13.160 Speaking of perverse media and ineffective law enforcement, did you see the federal judge

00:43:18.500 in Texas who just struck down an age verification law to access high-speed, hardcore internet

00:43:27.140 pornography?

00:43:27.580 This is Judge David Ezra, who ruled that HB 1181 is unconstitutional.

00:43:33.560 He issued a preliminary injunction against it, saying the law goes, quote, far beyond the

00:43:38.320 interest of protecting minors.

00:43:40.940 But his problem with it is great.

00:43:42.500 His problem with it is that if the government will be able to see you're watching porn, a solution

00:43:47.680 for that, don't watch the porn.

00:43:49.060 You don't watch porn, and you're good.

00:43:50.340 You don't have it.

00:43:50.580 And the other thing about these laws, by the way, is they work, because nobody wants to

00:43:53.500 show his ID when they're looking at porn.

00:43:55.600 The porn people go out of business when they say you've got to prove your age.

00:43:58.960 Yeah.

00:43:59.280 And it's so, this whole thing is so absurd.

00:44:01.920 Now, obviously, like you, Michael, I mean, I would like to see all porn banned and the 0.84

00:44:06.560 porn industry burned to the ground, and we dance around its ashes.

00:44:08.840 But if we can't, on our way to that, I think, obviously, age verification laws make a lot

00:44:14.140 of sense.

00:44:14.980 And it's so ridiculous, the objections to it, because in any, literally any other context

00:44:20.100 that you can think of, a, you know, an age-restricted item, we all agree, we all, there's no controversy

00:44:27.060 that you're going to have to check ID.

00:44:28.960 And that includes, you know, alcohols, tobacco products, gambling, whatever.

00:44:32.500 R-rated movies.

00:44:33.420 R-rated movies.

00:44:33.840 But that also includes physical pornography, you know, I mean, back in the day, they used

00:44:37.920 to have the porn magazines at the gas station, and if they still had those, you know, you

00:44:41.880 go to buy the porn magazines to show ID.

00:44:44.040 And everyone would also agree that if a 10-year-old kid went to a gas station and grabbed the porn

00:44:48.520 magazine and bought it, and the gas station attendant didn't check his ID, that guy should

00:44:52.840 be thrown in prison.

00:44:53.640 And so we carve out this exception for online porn specifically and say that there it's some

00:44:58.740 sort of unthinkable invasion of privacy.

00:45:00.980 Now, I will say that the one point the judge made in this ruling that is correct is that 0.99

00:45:05.700 he said it's a free speech violation, which is absurd.

00:45:08.780 Yeah.

00:45:09.020 He did also make the point that it's effectively useless, because the law carved out all these

00:45:12.500 exceptions where, like, things like search engines are exempt, which is ridiculous, and

00:45:16.940 people and kids can bypass it by just having, you know, a VPN or something like that, which

00:45:21.040 is why, but that's not an argument against having the age verification laws, it's an argument

00:45:24.660 for having them be stronger.

00:45:26.260 And it's also an argument for having age verification laws that are not just at the website level,

00:45:31.980 but at the device level.

00:45:33.520 So there need to be laws that every cell phone device that a child has on the device, the

00:45:40.280 device is age protected, so that they can access these sites.

00:45:43.220 Because, by the way, to your point, Matt, on just burning the porn industry to the ground.

00:45:46.400 Let's go back to that.

00:45:47.340 Yes.

00:45:47.660 Well, this would do that, because every time that one of these laws is passed, an age verification

00:45:53.120 law, Pornhub, MindGeek is the parent company of that, pulls service out of that state.

00:45:59.720 Right.

00:45:59.900 They would rather stop doing business in that entire state than have to comply with stopping

00:46:05.300 kids from looking at their product.

00:46:06.540 Why is that?

00:46:07.240 One, because they know that even grown adult men don't want to admit that they're doing

00:46:11.620 this perverted thing.

00:46:12.500 But two, it's because the porn industry relies on hooking kids, just like any drug dealer

00:46:17.800 on the street corner.

00:46:18.860 They rely on hooking kids at age 8, 9, 10, 11, and they know that they're going to have

00:46:22.980 a customer for life.

00:46:23.820 I mean, to be fair to the porn industry, I think I've never said that.

00:46:28.560 There's one other element, which is the legal liability that attaches, right?

00:46:31.580 In the same way that you saw Facebook take itself offline in certain countries because

00:46:36.780 of laws that they had to pay particular news providers in a certain way.

00:46:42.500 And they said, well, if I violate that law, then the fine is worth way more of me than

00:46:45.600 this.

00:46:46.440 That is one of the things that's happening.

00:46:47.980 But good.

00:46:48.360 I mean, the goal is to bankrupt the porn companies.

00:46:50.840 They're bad.

00:46:51.540 And first of all, this entire notion that free speech encompasses pornography in the

00:46:55.000 first place is absurd on its face. 0.99

00:46:56.400 It's ridiculous. 0.87

00:46:57.600 Robert Bork would have made an excellent Supreme Court justice before he was borked by Joe 0.92

00:47:01.000 Biden, one of the worst things that Joe Biden ever did.

00:47:03.300 Bork, he has an entire article in the 1970s talking about the extent of the First Amendment.

00:47:07.780 He says the First Amendment clearly was aimed at political speech.

00:47:11.080 That is what it is about.

00:47:12.000 It is about political speech.

00:47:13.080 It is about religious speech.

00:47:14.020 You know what it's not about? 0.98

00:47:14.800 Naked pictures of ladies. 1.00

00:47:16.260 Appealing to the prurient interest.

00:47:17.760 How many people even know what the word prurient means anymore?

00:47:20.100 That was a term that was known in the culture and in the law.

00:47:22.680 And it would distinguish between meaningful speech and artistic speech and just smut to

00:47:28.120 appeal to your lower interest.

00:47:28.940 I got to say, I'm also perturbed by the left's sudden interest in free speech when it comes

00:47:32.940 to pornography and complete disinterest in free speech when it comes to the government

00:47:35.820 literally going to social media companies and telling them that they have to shut down

00:47:38.920 searches on COVID, for example.

00:47:40.940 That's an amazing thing.

00:47:42.020 The Circuit Court of Appeals ruled.

00:47:43.560 For anyone who makes the free speech argument with porn, I always ask them, you're saying

00:47:47.320 porn is speech.

00:47:48.240 OK, well, then what is it saying? 0.97

00:47:51.120 You know, the woman who's having sex on camera, what is she saying exactly? 0.97

00:47:54.700 What message is she trying to convey? 0.96

00:47:56.780 Well, I didn't, please don't, I didn't need, I didn't have a question.

00:47:59.140 Did I do any more?

00:48:00.780 Yeah, OK, I get it.

00:48:02.480 That's enough, thank you.

00:48:03.300 I'm writing the Virginia State Assembly.

00:48:04.960 OK.

00:48:07.700 That's another song.

00:48:08.880 What message is the woman trying to convey? 1.00

00:48:12.860 What thought is she expressing?

00:48:14.740 You know, what's that?

00:48:16.260 Yeah, help is actually probably the speech.

00:48:18.260 But to Ben's point, Ben's point is important, though, because that is what the left believes.

00:48:21.520 The left believes that your expression of your personality is sexual, it's not political.

00:48:26.860 Whereas we believe it's actually based on ideas and politics and other cultural ideas,

00:48:32.000 religious ideas.

00:48:33.060 But your sex life is kind of minor.

00:48:36.180 Now, according to the left, here are the things that you can restrict under the First

00:48:38.360 Amendment.

00:48:38.740 Religious speech, because it's offensive to LGBTQ plus right about time people. 1.00

00:48:43.020 You can restrict quote unquote hate speech, because it might be offensive to people of minority

00:48:46.940 status.

00:48:47.880 Even though some of that stuff is political.

00:48:49.700 Well, you can respect scientific speech, because obviously the science speaks. 0.96

00:48:53.160 What you cannot restrict is naked people screwing. 0.96

00:48:55.140 Right. 0.91

00:48:55.480 That you absolutely cannot restrict.

00:48:56.920 Because that's your authenticity.

00:48:57.300 Anyway, because that's the core view.

00:48:58.460 That's the core view.

00:48:58.960 That's really the case.

00:48:59.720 You know, it's the thing that I fear the most.

00:49:01.180 The most political part of you is that.

00:49:02.300 It's the thing that I fear the most, as just a parent, is really understanding what

00:49:06.340 happens when a child is introduced to pornography when they're too young.

00:49:09.520 It destroys their brain.

00:49:10.820 The pathways are established.

00:49:12.940 It's very hard for them to come back from it.

00:49:14.980 And I really believe that, and especially for young boys, because biologically they're

00:49:19.240 ticking differently when they're introduced to sex too young, and now I'm having a second

00:49:22.680 son.

00:49:23.320 So I think about this all the time, and how you keep your children away from it when

00:49:26.680 it's so readily available.

00:49:27.860 And we're talking about a big issue.

00:49:29.160 We're talking about, you know, Pornhub and pornography.

00:49:31.800 But as my husband always says, the reason he's not on social media is because it's all

00:49:34.700 porn now.

00:49:35.220 It is all porn. 0.99

00:49:35.880 It's all porn. 1.00

00:49:36.160 He's like, you open up Instagram, and the first thing you see are ass cheeks. 0.99

00:49:39.320 Right? 0.96

00:49:39.620 And it's true. 0.56

00:49:40.320 I'm literally, and I've realized when he said this to me, how desensitized I have become.

00:49:45.700 It's all softcore porn. 0.89

00:49:47.180 I mean, it's a full frontal of Kim Kardashian. 0.99

00:49:49.100 It's Emily Rajkowski.

00:49:50.500 It's every actress that, for whatever reason, has to be naked. 1.00

00:49:53.100 Oh, do you want to buy this Gucci bag?

00:49:54.760 Well, of course, there's a naked model behind it holding it, because God forbid she was wearing 1.00

00:49:57.600 clothes while she was holding the Gucci bag.

00:49:58.940 We have all become desensitized to pornography, and we're not thinking about how it's impacting

00:50:02.920 children.

00:50:03.720 And we're not thinking about how it's, you know, we're suffering every other major ill in society.

00:50:07.620 I just came off doing the whatever podcast for convicting a murderer, available on dailywireplus.com,

00:50:13.080 and having this conversation, sitting down with sex workers, this girl, this 22-year-old

00:50:18.180 girl who works in a brothel and is a prostitute, happily a prostitute, every other girl on this 1.00

00:50:23.860 panel, OnlyFans, and they're, you know, angry at Matt Walsh for sharing the video, which

00:50:29.340 I think we have and we might be talking about very shortly, because they think it's aspirational 0.88

00:50:34.160 not to get married, they think it's aspirational, to have a bunch of sex with multiple men,

00:50:39.340 and to hear women talk about that, to talk women having multiple partners, this is what's

00:50:43.880 really at the root here.

00:50:45.480 So, yeah, we could play whack-a-mole, and yes, of course, Pornhub is going to be worse,

00:50:49.440 but now we're dealing with OnlyFans, dealing with social media, we're dealing with celebrities,

00:50:53.180 turned into icons like Cardi B talking about her WAP, which you are famous for.

00:50:58.040 I am, my version slaps.

00:50:59.900 It is, it does.

00:51:01.340 As it were.

00:51:02.380 And it's hard to even fathom how to deal with all those problems.

00:51:05.180 You saw that they came out with a sequel now, they have a sequel song.

00:51:07.520 No, I know, and I can't listen to it just yet, because I want your version dropped first.

00:51:11.680 Oh, I have to listen to it.

00:51:13.100 Yeah, no, no, yeah, you've got to drop your version, and then I will respond to both versions

00:51:16.360 and say whose is better.

00:51:17.080 I do wonder.

00:51:17.580 Or a WAP vs. Bongo's problem, in my case, maybe.

00:51:19.300 You know, it does make me think, going back to your point, Drew, this note, and you said

00:51:26.380 this too, Ben, that the left views us as fundamentally sexual creatures, and I do, I often think these

00:51:32.540 social ills, even if people are not conscious of them, have deeper philosophical and theological

00:51:37.020 foundations.

00:51:38.280 For most of the history of our civilization, we've thought that the defining feature of

00:51:42.080 human beings is that we're reasonable.

00:51:44.200 It's our reason, that's what separates us from the animals.

00:51:45.920 And that's Aristotle, all the way up to, you know, about 150 years ago.

00:51:49.780 But then Freud comes along and says, no, we're sexual and libidinous.

00:51:53.920 And it wasn't what Freud thought he was saying, but it is implied in what he says, and I think

00:51:59.000 that, you know, as they say of Nietzsche, you might get the bad luck that somebody takes

00:52:03.020 you seriously.

00:52:03.980 You know, what he was saying was that this is basically the motivation of mankind, and

00:52:09.720 it has tunnels through which it flows.

00:52:12.160 I mean, every generation takes the highest level of machine and uses it as a metaphor

00:52:20.220 for the human mind.

00:52:21.360 So in the old days, it was the chariot.

00:52:23.620 Then in Freud, it was the steam engine.

00:52:25.940 And now we talk about people being programmed and being hardwired and all that stuff.

00:52:30.800 But the steam engine idea was that this erotic impulse would come up, and the ways in which

00:52:35.940 it was sublimated and the ways in which it was restricted would set the path of your personality.

00:52:40.880 First of all, that's largely false.

00:52:43.260 What is true, and what Freud was right about, is that sickness, moral sickness and mental

00:52:48.660 sickness does often show itself in sexual terms, because that's what you are reduced

00:52:53.600 to when you are reduced to being a slave.

00:52:55.560 Not to get into a particularly, you know, detailed discussion of Freud, but I think there's

00:52:59.940 a case to be made that what Freud says about the power of the sexual impulse has roots as

00:53:05.020 old as the Bible.

00:53:05.980 I mean, there's nothing new here.

00:53:07.400 Well, of course.

00:53:07.620 And so the real perversion is when the message that Freud gives, which is you have this deep

00:53:13.100 sexual impulse that is what drives you, but you have a civilizational impulse that must

00:53:17.600 be planted on top of that to sublimate the sexual instinct and use the passion that you

00:53:21.460 would have for the sexual instinct and channel it in good directions, when that's removed.

00:53:24.760 That's the falsehood there, because under the chariot model that Socrates or Plato used,

00:53:30.280 the moral impulse is built in.

00:53:33.420 And Freud did not say that.

00:53:34.820 He basically said society impresses this moral impulse on you and suppresses your native animal.

00:53:40.860 Right, but he actually pushes it one step back, right?

00:53:43.180 Because then you have to ask where society comes from, right?

00:53:46.300 Yeah, but he doesn't talk about it.

00:53:48.000 He never distinguishes between a moral repression, which I think that all...

00:53:52.460 Well, this is definitely a huge flaw in Freud, but he thinks there is one.

00:53:55.900 He just never actually establishes what that is.

00:53:57.880 Well, he believes in it, but...

00:53:58.740 Right, I mean, clearly.

00:53:59.560 And that's part of the problem, I think, with most philosophy is that the stuff that's unsaid

00:54:02.740 is as important as the stuff that's said.

00:54:04.080 That's right.

00:54:04.360 I mean, this is true, and this is why you see reinterpretations of Locke, where Locke is

00:54:08.180 a secular liberal.

00:54:09.280 And you're like, well, I mean, he really wasn't.

00:54:10.780 He was writing full-on defensive...

00:54:12.100 He called to ostracize the atheists.

00:54:13.680 Right, the stuff that Locke actually is just assuming is in the air around him, but that

00:54:17.360 he never writes in his treatises on government, that's the stuff that actually makes the

00:54:21.900 treatises on government work.

00:54:22.940 But when you remove it from that context, it no longer works.

00:54:25.000 And the same thing is true of Freud.

00:54:26.660 But when you look at, you know, there was a young man who, at the age of 20, wrote a

00:54:31.860 book called Porn Generation.

00:54:33.260 This came...

00:54:33.740 Yes.

00:54:34.560 It came out in 2005, and it was all about how the attempt to mainstream softcore pornography

00:54:41.320 through advertising and movies, how that was eventually going to corrupt an entire generation

00:54:45.520 of people who were going to be addicted to this stuff.

00:54:47.360 And everyone in the media laughed at this argument.

00:54:49.240 I mean, this was like, of all the books that I've written, this was the one that was

00:54:51.780 most...

00:54:51.940 Wait, it was you?

00:54:52.820 It was.

00:54:53.240 Hold on.

00:54:53.800 It was.

00:54:54.160 I was 20 years old when I wrote this book.

00:54:55.540 And if you go back and you read it now, it looks pretty prophetic.

00:54:59.080 I mean, I'm talking about how this is everything from Britney Spears being turned from a pop

00:55:03.320 icon for small children into effectively a softcore porn star, which is what they did.

00:55:08.560 I mean, there's no escaping this in any populated area, basically, with access to the internet.

00:55:14.200 And you're right.

00:55:14.660 I mean, the threat level to parents right now is the highest that it has ever been.

00:55:18.000 Because the threat used to be an organized threat of an institution that was going to come

00:55:21.580 and hurt you from the outside and take your kid away from you or something.

00:55:24.420 And now the threat's in the house, literally in the house, in your phone.

00:55:27.800 It's, yeah.

00:55:28.340 There's one of my favorite...

00:55:29.380 It's cartoons.

00:55:29.800 It's everywhere.

00:55:30.480 It's everywhere.

00:55:30.840 It's very scary.

00:55:31.480 One of my favorite lines from La Roche-Foucault, which I quote frequently, is that hypocrisy

00:55:35.820 is the tribute vice pays to virtue. 0.50

00:55:37.540 So even if there's some guy looking at porn, but he at least says porn is bad, maybe he's 1.00

00:55:41.700 a hypocrite. 1.00

00:55:42.160 Maybe he's just a sinner who fails. 1.00

00:55:43.480 But at least he's got that standard. 1.00

00:55:44.700 Now, the standard is you should sell yourself for sex. 0.98

00:55:49.020 You should not be married. 0.99

00:55:49.960 You should get divorced. 1.00

00:55:50.700 You mentioned Emily Radikajicakakovsky.

00:55:53.640 And she just had this viral video in which she encouraged people to get divorced before 0.99

00:55:58.880 age 30.

00:55:59.400 So it seems that a lot of ladies are getting divorced before they turn 30. 1.00

00:56:08.140 And as someone who got married at 26 has been separated for a little over a year, 32, I have

00:56:17.320 to tell you, I don't think there's anything better.

00:56:20.460 If being in your 20s is the trenches, there is nothing better than being in your 30s, still

00:56:27.080 being hot, maybe having a little bit of your own money, figuring out what you want to do

00:56:31.480 with your life, everything.

00:56:33.060 And having tried that married fantasy and realizing that it's maybe not all it's cracked up to

00:56:38.460 be.

00:56:38.740 And then you've got your whole life still ahead of you.

00:56:42.400 So for all of those people who are stressed or feeling stressed about that, about being divorced,

00:56:48.340 like, it's a, it's, it's good.

00:56:51.000 Congratulations.

00:56:51.880 Congratulations.

00:56:52.920 She looks really happy.

00:56:53.880 I just want to say, if you take more guidance from an actress, you get what you're saying.

00:56:59.720 This drives me crazy.

00:57:01.020 This drives me insane. 0.90

00:57:02.520 Like, seeing women do this, this new culture, the dink culture, dual income, no kids, that's 1.00

00:57:07.420 spawning up on TikTok.

00:57:08.760 The 29-year-old, people tried to pretend was a victim when actually she was attacking people 1.00

00:57:12.280 that are married and have children because there was absolutely no reason for her to make 1.00

00:57:17.040 that video and talk about children.

00:57:18.540 She could have just said, I got up this morning and made Chachuka, but she wanted to correlate

00:57:21.380 it to the fact that, oh, well, and if you have children, this is not possible for you

00:57:24.860 to be able to do.

00:57:25.440 So don't get married.

00:57:26.400 Wink, wink.

00:57:27.180 Hold on.

00:57:27.640 You mentioned that, Candace.

00:57:28.760 Do we have, that one was even worse than Ratajkowski.

00:57:31.200 Do we have that lady who Matt mercilessly bullied? 1.00

00:57:34.780 It's 10.45 a.m. on a Saturday.

00:57:36.820 I'm 29 and single and I don't have kids yet.

00:57:39.560 Here's what your Saturday morning looks like when you're single at 29 and you don't have a

00:57:44.240 kid running around the house, I didn't rise from my bed until 10.15.

00:57:48.440 Every time I thought, I should probably get up and do something, I thought, why?

00:57:52.080 Nobody's making me.

00:57:53.020 I'm not missing out on anything.

00:57:54.380 I went to Beyonce last night and I didn't get home until 1 a.m.

00:57:57.240 And I danced and drank my little heart out and I didn't pay a babysitter to watch my kids

00:58:01.240 as I did that.

00:58:02.080 And I woke up a tad hungover this morning, which is probably why I was in bed for so long.

00:58:05.920 And I was just scrolling on my phone and I saw a picture of Chachuka and I thought,

00:58:09.580 you know what sounds really good?

00:58:11.160 Maybe I'm going to learn how to make Chachuka today because I have no plans and I don't

00:58:14.980 have kids and I don't have a husband and I don't have errands to run.

00:58:18.340 I can go to the grocery store and learn how to make Chachuka.

00:58:21.300 So that's on my agenda today.

00:58:22.620 Also on my agenda, probably a rewatch of some Real Housewives of New York.

00:58:26.000 I'm also doing a rewatch of Normal People on Hulu, which is really spicy and I highly

00:58:29.840 recommend.

00:58:30.600 Weirdly, I'm into this documentary on Netflix about Blue Zone countries. 0.97

00:58:33.640 So I've got a pretty stacked day.

00:58:35.620 Anyway, I say all this to say, whenever I'm hard on myself about why I'm not married

00:58:40.320 and I don't have kids and I should be further along at 29, almost 30, I wouldn't want to

00:58:45.080 do anything else this Saturday.

00:58:47.180 And I know that you can do all these things when you have kids and you're married and I

00:58:51.560 understand, but the effortlessness and ease of my life, just kind of focusing on myself

00:58:57.320 and the Chachuka I want to make or the Beyonce concert I want to make.

00:59:00.960 Stop the video off.

00:59:01.880 The most defensive part.

00:59:03.280 Guys, guys, guys, let's play a dream game.

00:59:04.360 Every time she says I, it's a shot of Lucy.

00:59:07.300 We'd be dead.

00:59:07.900 Every time she says Chachuka, you'd go shoplift from us.

00:59:10.700 Should I say something? 0.98

00:59:11.300 Just literally a narcissist. 0.96

00:59:12.320 As the bully, can I just say something about this lady? 1.00

00:59:15.340 First of all, obviously, I think most people know I got killed.

00:59:18.180 I reposted that video.

00:59:19.640 I had my own thought about it.

00:59:21.680 I think my comment was pretty benign. 1.00

00:59:24.360 I did call her stupid. 1.00

00:59:25.200 You called her stupid. 1.00

00:59:26.260 Slightly harsh, but also probably not inaccurate. 1.00

00:59:28.580 I got killed over it.

00:59:29.780 First of all, you know, the left and the media, they were like, they said, well, she just wants

00:59:32.880 privacy.

00:59:33.460 Leave her alone. 1.00

00:59:34.400 She doesn't want all this attention.

00:59:35.060 And then they spent, they proceeded to spend the next week talking about her and doing articles

00:59:39.520 about it because they just wanted to respect her privacy.

00:59:41.940 But also, this woman is a burgeoning TikTok influencer.

00:59:45.540 She has a podcast all about being single and childless and how great it is.

00:59:48.920 And so I have bullied her.

00:59:52.400 Of course, I've brought about the fate that all TikTok influencers dread by giving her

00:59:56.460 a lot of attention.

00:59:57.100 So it's a terrible thing that I did.

00:59:58.640 But I think the real point I wanted to make about this that I also made in the tweet was

01:00:03.020 that, you know, aside from the fact that she's promoting this lonely, terrible life,

01:00:07.840 it's also like if you are single and childless, and there are plenty of people who are 29 and

01:00:11.840 30 single and childless, maybe they don't want to be. 0.95

01:00:13.340 But do something interesting with your time.

01:00:18.160 You do have a lot of time, which can be an advantage.

01:00:22.280 So I admit that you have a lot more free time if you're, you know, if you're single and

01:00:26.260 childless than I do with someone with six kids.

01:00:28.180 So go out and do something.

01:00:29.540 But instead of doing something.

01:00:30.080 Make a tasty breakfast. 1.00

01:00:31.760 Not shuck shit. 1.00

01:00:32.260 Yeah, make a tasty breakfast and then do something. 1.00

01:00:34.800 But it's all, it's just, it's just being a consumer.

01:00:37.340 That's, that's one of the big problems with the way they promote this single, big single

01:00:40.400 and childless is that, is they say, well, be single and childless and then devote all

01:00:43.720 your extra time to being a really devoted consumer and go to a Beyonce concert and watch

01:00:48.480 reality TV.

01:00:49.340 It's just a dead life.

01:00:50.980 It's worse than that.

01:00:51.700 And this is what drives me crazy.

01:00:52.880 It's I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

01:00:55.040 There's nothing wrong with being 29 and single.

01:00:57.140 And I think that's what they were trying to say that conservatives are suggesting that

01:00:59.960 you've done something wrong if you're 29 and single.

01:01:01.840 What's wrong with being 29 and single?

01:01:02.620 I know tons of people that are 29 and single, people that are 30 and single, people that are 31 and

01:01:05.940 single, whatever.

01:01:06.460 It goes on and on.

01:01:07.320 There's no, you know, failure.

01:01:08.840 Maybe you didn't meet the right person.

01:01:09.980 Things can go wrong.

01:01:10.920 I get it.

01:01:11.240 It's a hard society to date in. 0.68

01:01:12.740 What's wrong is that what she's suggesting is that you should be a raging narcissist.

01:01:17.900 If you are single, there are tons of things that you can do when you're single.

01:01:21.140 You can go hang out with your nieces and your nephews.

01:01:23.000 You can go, you know, offer yourself to help kids that are tutoring at church.

01:01:28.040 There are so many things you can do.

01:01:29.520 She sits down and she basically says the best part about not having kids is that you can just

01:01:33.920 be a raging narcissist and do everything for yourself and only think about yourself and wake 0.73

01:01:39.140 up at 10, 15 or 11, 15, whatever she says, which I just think is loser behavior and think 0.97

01:01:43.660 about me, me, me, me, me all day.

01:01:45.320 She speaks to the narcissistic culture that we are living in today.

01:01:50.200 It drives me insane.

01:01:52.280 Even though I agree with everything you guys say, every single word, the only thing that

01:01:57.360 I have to say about it is that 90%, 95% of people are born into a culture and that's

01:02:04.360 the culture that they live in.

01:02:05.760 And I do feel in some ways, a woman like this who just described one of the most empty

01:02:09.400 lives I've ever heard is a victim in some ways.

01:02:11.740 I totally agree.

01:02:12.280 You know, she's born into this world, the people sitting around this table are by nature,

01:02:18.800 by definition, people who say, well, wait a minute, you told me this, but I'm not sure

01:02:22.280 I believe that.

01:02:23.280 That's not what most people are like.

01:02:24.780 Most people are born into a culture and they live in that culture.

01:02:27.140 And what we have done to women and what feminism has done to women is a crime. 1.00

01:02:31.660 You know, and my problem with shows like Whatever, even though it's an amusing show and it's

01:02:36.620 entertaining, I'm not attacking it for that reason.

01:02:38.560 But it's like they pick on the, like the last person on the totem pole who's been created

01:02:43.860 basically by a culture that has lost, so terribly lost its way, especially in regards to women

01:02:49.660 and what they're supposed to be.

01:02:51.060 In her defense, shakshuk is delicious.

01:02:52.620 Okay, so let me, so I've never had it, but it's shakshuk.

01:02:55.700 I like eggs benedict and I like spaghetti, but I don't want to mix them together.

01:02:58.600 It is, but you need some feta cheese on top.

01:03:00.180 Is it a breakfast dish?

01:03:01.220 What is it?

01:03:01.500 It is a breakfast dish.

01:03:02.240 You can eat it for lunch as well.

01:03:03.140 It is effectively a tomato sauce, like a spicy tomato sauce, like a mapucha, which is the

01:03:08.660 Moroccan term for it, and fried eggs on top, and then you can put some like feta cheese

01:03:12.360 on it.

01:03:12.700 It does.

01:03:12.860 It's very good.

01:03:13.360 In my defense, I make breakfast, lunch, and dinner for my husband and kids every single

01:03:18.080 day, and I've got three on the way.

01:03:20.500 Like, I'm sorry you're poor at time management and you wake up at 10, 15.

01:03:23.380 You also have the option to have shakshukka and be married with kids.

01:03:27.860 Well, this is certainly true.

01:03:28.980 And you can watch reality TV too if you want.

01:03:30.500 Her narcissism is a, I mean, you're right that she's a narcissist. 0.97

01:03:33.140 But it's reflective.

01:03:34.440 And here's the real problem.

01:03:35.580 The aspiration is wrong.

01:03:37.360 Yeah.

01:03:37.580 Okay?

01:03:37.800 It is, in fact, wrong to aspire to this life.

01:03:40.460 It is wrong to aspire to this.

01:03:41.860 There's nothing wrong with this is how your life turned out.

01:03:44.520 There's nothing wrong with you haven't set the preconditions to make a different choice.

01:03:48.240 But to say that we ought, as a society, to be apathetic about two possible aspirations.

01:03:53.320 One is you're 29, you have a career, you don't have a career, you're married, you have

01:03:56.640 kids, versus you're 29, your life consists of you stay out till really late watching a

01:04:01.540 Beyonce concert and then you get up at 10.30 and maybe you make shakshukka and then watch

01:04:04.780 like eight hours of TV.

01:04:06.160 Any society that is apathetic between these two choices is a failed society.

01:04:09.880 Period.

01:04:10.880 A society relies on the idea that the better life, society does have things to say about

01:04:15.080 what a better life looks like.

01:04:16.340 I'm not talking about compulsion.

01:04:17.340 I'm not talking about tyrannical compulsion.

01:04:18.600 But of course, any functional civilization has to rely on the basis that there is such a

01:04:23.380 thing as good versus bad and good choices versus bad choices.

01:04:26.740 And guess what?

01:04:27.380 A set of good choices is a set of choices that is directed toward a good end.

01:04:31.860 And that good end is you should get married and you should have kids and it is better

01:04:35.220 for you to get married and have kids and it is better for your community for you to get

01:04:38.140 married and have kids.

01:04:38.820 This is a childless society.

01:04:40.060 That's the biggest thing.

01:04:40.940 Also, I think just to build on your point, there's also, I talk about this all the time

01:04:46.040 and people say to me, well, are you saying that everyone is supposed to get married and

01:04:50.000 have kids?

01:04:50.440 And my answer is that most people are supposed to.

01:04:54.040 In fact, most people are called to.

01:04:55.560 It's a responsibility that most of us have.

01:04:57.400 Not everyone, though.

01:04:58.200 Some people have a different vocation.

01:05:00.100 You know, a minority of people.

01:05:01.180 I'm a Jew.

01:05:01.580 I don't have to do that.

01:05:02.380 Everyone should get married and have kids. 0.99

01:05:03.900 Well, there are some people, it just never happened.

01:05:06.920 They try to and it will never happen.

01:05:08.000 But here's the point.

01:05:09.660 In my view, everybody, every man is called to fatherhood.

01:05:14.160 Every woman is called to motherhood.

01:05:15.580 Absolutely.

01:05:16.040 For most, for 99% probably of men, fatherhood will take the form of, you know, traditional

01:05:20.320 fatherhood.

01:05:21.060 And for women, it'll take the form of traditional motherhood. 1.00

01:05:23.360 For a few people, it'll take a different form.

01:05:25.000 But it has to take some kind of form.

01:05:26.080 So maybe you never ended up getting married and you go and you're a missionary or something

01:05:31.220 and you're taking care of poor people.

01:05:32.760 You go work at a hospital or something.

01:05:33.880 But you take on a maternalistic or paternalistic role.

01:05:36.460 The point is that we're all called to serve in that capacity in some way.

01:05:41.200 We certainly are not called to just serve ourselves and amuse ourselves for a whole life.

01:05:44.180 Well, she's even wrong.

01:05:45.320 You know, I tend to share Drew's pity and sympathy for this lady because she's coping.

01:05:53.140 She's coping really much.

01:05:54.560 And she's a creation of this.

01:05:55.920 And so what bothers me is she's, our culture is so insistent on appearing happy all the time.

01:06:02.340 We're never allowed to admit, you know, that things aren't working out very well because

01:06:05.600 it would cause us to check our assumptions.

01:06:07.020 But what she says that's most wrong is she said, look, I have so much ease in my life.

01:06:12.280 I don't have any obligations.

01:06:14.200 Sleeping until 1030 in the morning is what depressives do.

01:06:16.700 That literally seems like a depressed person.

01:06:18.420 It is, yeah.

01:06:19.540 But people have studied happiness for some millennia now.

01:06:23.020 And to quote good old Uncle Aristotle again, like Aristotle has an answer.

01:06:26.500 He says, happiness is excellent rational activity in accordance with virtue.

01:06:30.600 And activity is the key word there.

01:06:33.000 It's not just a thing that you let happen to you.

01:06:35.160 It's not just passive consumption and letting flickering images on a screen just hypnotize

01:06:39.700 you all day long.

01:06:40.280 It's doing something in an excellent way that's rational in accordance with virtue.

01:06:44.540 And if she's preaching this anti-gospel to a lot of people on TikTok, on her podcast,

01:06:50.020 it actually is our responsibility to say that's wrong.

01:06:52.340 It's a complete failure of her parents' generation. 0.88

01:06:54.520 I'm not going to blame her generation or her.

01:06:55.980 It's a complete failure because every generation has to impress on somebody.

01:07:00.020 Parenthood and growing up, it is like Plato's cave because you can't experience it until you

01:07:05.100 do it, right?

01:07:06.020 You have to have somebody from an older generation who did the thing and said, yeah, it was really

01:07:10.320 hard because parenting is difficult.

01:07:12.360 It's really difficult.

01:07:13.200 I mean, I have four, Matt has six.

01:07:15.080 Parenting is not easy.

01:07:16.200 It is a difficult task. 1.00

01:07:17.600 Your kids are a pain in the ass on a fairly regular basis. 1.00

01:07:20.320 And guess what? 1.00

01:07:21.080 It's also the most fulfilling thing and most important thing you'll ever do by a long stretch.

01:07:24.680 And it makes you a better person.

01:07:26.980 And there is such a thing as a better and a worse person.

01:07:28.480 Not all people are the same in terms of their moral quality.

01:07:31.780 I mean, everyone is the same in the eyes of God.

01:07:33.380 That's not the same thing as saying that their activities make them the same in terms of moral

01:07:36.060 quality because they're not.

01:07:36.940 Not every aspiration is the same in terms of moral quality.

01:07:39.160 It's a failure of older generations to inculcate on younger generations that they ought 0.78

01:07:43.180 to try to get beyond the point that they are capable of experiencing here.

01:07:46.580 And that does require a leap of faith.

01:07:48.560 You know, this is when, you know, when I got engaged to my wife, I gave a little speech

01:07:53.320 at our engagement party talking about how basically anything good that you do in your life is

01:07:57.900 at some level a leap of faith.

01:08:00.320 Everything.

01:08:01.020 Marriage being the biggest one.

01:08:02.120 But having kids is just as big because you don't really know what you're getting into

01:08:06.400 when you get married.

01:08:07.300 Because how could you?

01:08:07.860 Because marriage changes you and it changes your wife and it changes both of you in such 0.98

01:08:10.880 unbelievable ways over the course of decades that even the first day of marriage is nothing

01:08:14.680 remotely like the 15th year of marriage.

01:08:16.220 And I can assume the 200th year of marriage is true.

01:08:18.500 And when it comes to kids, it's so different.

01:08:20.880 Every single day is wildly different.

01:08:22.460 Parenting a baby is so different from parenting a three-year-old, which is so different from parenting

01:08:26.220 a nine-year-old, let alone a teenager, let alone an adult child.

01:08:28.780 Well, every day is an act of faith and we're a society that is faithless and not capable

01:08:33.940 of taking the risk.

01:08:35.060 We're a very safe society.

01:08:36.260 What she's talking about here is a bubble of safety that exists for her in which every

01:08:39.520 day is exactly the same and no risk is required of you and no risk can be asked of you and

01:08:44.080 you're told that your risk-free behavior is actually the best thing that you can do or

01:08:47.840 at least morally equivalent to taking the risk that preserves future generations and a

01:08:50.900 civilization worth preserving.

01:08:51.740 I want to ask Candace a question because I know you homeschool your kids, right?

01:08:56.120 Yes.

01:08:56.520 So this is the question.

01:08:59.340 Professor Matt.

01:09:00.200 I'm assuming that it's Mrs. Walsh who does it because the idea of being homeschooled 0.99

01:09:03.520 by Matt is just horrifying.

01:09:04.860 I can't contain it.

01:09:05.800 I wouldn't do that to my kids.

01:09:06.700 No.

01:09:07.260 Hit this piece of wood with this axe.

01:09:10.740 But what's your solution here?

01:09:12.300 Good until you understand, Matt.

01:09:12.920 What do you do?

01:09:13.540 Well, that's the thing is we're talking about homeschooling and also part of that might

01:09:16.960 be we just send them to Matt's house because he seems to have them under control.

01:09:19.780 There's six of them.

01:09:20.340 We wouldn't even notice we have so many kids now.

01:09:22.060 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:22.780 If I just threw through three more, I think maybe kind of.

01:09:25.280 We just absorb them.

01:09:26.040 Yeah, but yeah, it's one of these things that also my husband just thinks the American

01:09:30.760 education system in general is a massive failure compared to, I mean, it is, which it actually

01:09:34.880 is relative to, you know, the UK, which still has some semblance of an academic culture.

01:09:41.240 And so we talk about this over and over again.

01:09:44.580 It's one of those discussions where we're like, it's crazy that we're even talking about 1.00

01:09:46.800 this, but I don't want to have to deal with the fear of some other idiot having a phone 1.00

01:09:49.740 and choosing him to pornography. 1.00

01:09:50.900 I don't want to have to deal with these young women. 1.00

01:09:53.220 And this is why it is so important to respond to these women.

01:09:55.980 It is so important because you are correct.

01:09:58.240 Their generation above them failed them, right? 0.83

01:10:00.260 They failed them.

01:10:00.960 They failed to communicate the message.

01:10:02.440 And so we're all left holding the baton.

01:10:04.280 And this is why I hit these people on my podcast over and over again, because these cultural

01:10:08.700 battles, they matter.

01:10:10.460 It is important to tweet this girl and to say what I said.

01:10:13.120 If you follow this girl's path, you are going to end up wine nights by yourself on Xanax, 1.00

01:10:17.860 because that is where it ends.

01:10:18.820 It ends as you as Chelsea Handler crying and bursting into tears over absolutely nothing

01:10:24.260 and saying, well, Dylan Mulvaney just needs to be able to use this restroom.

01:10:27.540 That's where your life is headed because you've nurtured nothing.

01:10:30.420 You've fought against your biology, sociology trumped your biology, and you will suffer

01:10:34.260 at the end, because in the end, biology will win.

01:10:36.580 And, you know, I did the Bill Maher podcast last week, and we spoke about that.

01:10:39.580 And what really happens to women when they get duped by feminism, right? 1.00

01:10:43.420 Because they get duped. 0.84

01:10:44.380 Feminism, I say, is like a drug you should try in college. 1.00

01:10:46.920 I did. 0.97

01:10:47.240 I experienced it a little bit with feminism. 1.00

01:10:48.400 I was like, well, I might be feminist like this. 1.00

01:10:49.740 And then you're like, no, come on.

01:10:50.820 I can't do this outside of college, right?

01:10:52.560 Never got onto the harder stuff.

01:10:53.800 Yeah, never got onto the harder stuff, right?

01:10:55.160 But if you keep going, your life is going to be absolute misery.

01:10:58.940 And so it is why I take the time to respond.

01:11:01.320 I mean, Emma Rajkowski, we just watched her say,

01:11:03.100 there's nothing better.

01:11:05.560 Congratulations.

01:11:06.360 Nothing better.

01:11:07.880 Pina colada on the beat?

01:11:08.880 Than being divorced before 30.

01:11:10.680 What?

01:11:11.340 On the, I think another point that we have to make culturally is that

01:11:15.460 there is a lot of joy to be found, immense joy to be found in parenthood

01:11:21.040 and in family life that just is not available to you

01:11:24.200 if you don't get married and have kids.

01:11:25.680 It's just a joy.

01:11:26.520 But here's the important point.

01:11:29.240 Because you can also be deeply miserable as a parent. 0.93

01:11:32.280 You could be incredibly miserable all the time.

01:11:35.200 So the joy that is available to you as a parent is available.

01:11:40.280 It makes joy available to you, but it's an opportunity for joy.

01:11:44.160 And it's up to you to experience it or not.

01:11:47.420 And this comes up in a lot of little ways every day.

01:11:49.220 So for example, last Saturday morning, I get up.

01:11:52.480 My wife had to go out. 1.00

01:11:53.960 And so I'm with all six kids.

01:11:55.960 And they want breakfast.

01:11:58.160 And the babies are crying and all this.

01:11:59.500 And it's one of those moments where right now,

01:12:02.280 I can dwell on the fact that everyone needs me.

01:12:05.140 And I can be really, really annoyed.

01:12:06.920 And it's in the morning.

01:12:07.900 And I don't feel like dealing with it.

01:12:09.300 Or I can think to myself, this is a house full of life.

01:12:12.660 I've got all these kids that want to be around me.

01:12:14.800 And it's just energy and life.

01:12:17.000 And it's a wonderful thing.

01:12:18.060 So in that moment, I can really choose.

01:12:20.500 It's like it's a fork in the road.

01:12:22.040 And it's a very deliberate thing.

01:12:23.580 I'm going to be very indescribably happy in this moment.

01:12:26.420 Or I'm going to be miserable.

01:12:28.420 And so if you are childless and you look at parents who are miserable all the time,

01:12:34.700 and they do exist, and you think, well, I don't want that.

01:12:37.680 What you have to realize is that those are parents who have chosen that.

01:12:41.000 And either way, you're going to be more alive than you would ever be without those children.

01:12:44.920 I mean, there is such a thing as purpose, meaning, and fulfillment.

01:12:47.940 And that's what's left out of that video.

01:12:49.480 And when she talks about ease, she's not wrong.

01:12:51.140 It's very easy to be 29 and single with no obligations.

01:12:54.320 That's like ease is the word.

01:12:56.380 It's this feeling of ease and floating free of time.

01:12:58.640 And, of course, the biological clock is still ticking.

01:13:00.360 So the reality is that, as you say, Candace, she can pretend that she's going to be 29 forever.

01:13:04.460 But reality, she ain't.

01:13:06.060 Ten years from now, she will be 39. 0.66

01:13:07.620 And ten years after that, she will be 49.

01:13:09.640 And as far as the parenting aspect of it,

01:13:12.520 Roy Baumeister is an interesting psychologist.

01:13:14.860 He does a lot of the social science on these sorts of issues.

01:13:17.300 He did some studies where he looked at the crossover between happiness and fulfillment.

01:13:20.980 And in many areas, they coincide, right?

01:13:24.220 For a lot of people, they get happiness from travel, but they also get fulfillment from travel.

01:13:27.800 The one area where there's wide divergence is when it comes to parenting.

01:13:31.220 When it comes to parenting, single people will say very often they'll report self-report,

01:13:35.620 which is always dubious, but they'll self-report happiness.

01:13:37.640 And people who have lots of kids will self-report not being as happy.

01:13:42.860 When it comes to fulfillment, people with kids self-report fulfillment at a far higher rate.

01:13:47.860 Because the truth is that, I mean, who cares about happiness?

01:13:52.420 To be real about this, everybody is chasing the wrong thing.

01:13:56.220 The phrase pursuit of happiness was supposed to mean what it meant to Aristotle.

01:13:59.880 It wasn't supposed to mean you feeling happy today.

01:14:02.200 That's not what happiness is.

01:14:04.320 If you look at any sort of religious literature, the definition of happiness is fundamentally different.

01:14:10.780 You're supposed to find fulfillment and happiness are coincident.

01:14:14.000 And this is why the Bible, for example, can command you to be happy.

01:14:16.560 And you say, how can I be commanded to feel a certain way?

01:14:18.760 I can't be commanded to be happy.

01:14:20.140 Like we have a bunch of holidays that are coming up.

01:14:21.540 And you're literally commanded to be happy.

01:14:23.220 It's like, how can I be commanded?

01:14:24.080 What if I don't feel like it?

01:14:24.860 What if I don't feel like I'm happy that day?

01:14:26.200 And the answer is we're not talking about a subjective state of mind.

01:14:28.140 We are talking about the meaning and purpose and fulfillment that come from doing a higher thing that actually matters in the universe and makes the society around you better.

01:14:35.800 And you can live this sort of bizarre floating life in a sort of strange solipsistic bubble.

01:14:42.960 But is that going to be fulfilling in any way?

01:14:45.660 When you die at 80 and you look at, or 90, and you look back at your life, what exactly do you put on your tombstone?

01:14:53.360 When to Beyonce concert?

01:14:54.540 Like what exactly goes there?

01:14:56.280 You know, one of the miseries that sometimes goes along with marriage is divorce.

01:15:01.740 And one of the real miseries of divorce is custody battles. 0.98

01:15:04.580 And one of the biggest miseries of custody battles is when Gavin Newsom tries to take your kid away from you and chop his genitals off, which is what is happening.

01:15:13.220 California may soon require the House and the Senate in California to pass this bill to allow judges to look at whether a parent goes along with a child's gender identity

01:15:24.640 during custody disputes and presumably what that will mean is if a father doesn't want to call his boy Sally, then he loses visitation.

01:15:34.200 The question now is, does Gavin Newsom look like Satan, or does Satan look like Gavin?

01:15:39.880 That I think is, this is an evil bill.

01:15:42.120 Very evil.

01:15:42.500 Yes, and I don't know if it's constitutional, I don't know if it'll be struck down, or if it'll even pass, you know, even get signed, but it is, this is genuine evil.

01:15:51.580 And I think that the one thing, you know, you were talking before about God and faith and all these things and the idea that, the notion of who we are, this was what was predicted by guys like Nietzsche who said there's going to be a transvaluation of all values.

01:16:10.420 Dostoevsky who said, without God, not only will you not have morality, but you'll have the opposite morality.

01:16:16.440 I think we've reached that point.

01:16:17.960 I think we've actually reached the point where we are doing evil and calling it good, which the Bible has something to say about it.

01:16:23.300 You know, people need to understand, on this particular bill, the designs here, there's some obvious designs, but it's also constructed to create more, quote unquote, trans kids.

01:16:34.040 But what's going to happen is that women who get divorced in California, and there are a lot of women in California getting divorced all the time, 0.99

01:16:40.420 they're going to realize that, well, if I want to win custody very easily, then all I have to do is whisper in my little five-year-old son's ear that he's really a girl,

01:16:47.640 and he'll feel more happy, and mommy will love him more if he wears a dress, and I know that my husband's not going to go along with it, and then boom, I get custody.

01:16:54.060 So this is very, this is like entrapment, and it's almost all women who do this, that's just the reality. 1.00

01:17:00.040 And so this is designed to create more of that.

01:17:02.760 We have this representative, Lori Wilson, who introduced the bill, and I guess we have that clip.

01:17:07.740 We got a clip, yeah, take it away, Ms. Wilson.

01:17:10.420 That parents affirm their children.

01:17:14.720 They have since the dawn of time.

01:17:17.800 Typically, it happens when their gender and identity expression matches their biological gender.

01:17:25.760 But what happens is when it doesn't, that's when the affirmation starts to wane, and that's what we're dealing with here.

01:17:33.940 Although it's called the TGI bill, they're not mentioned anywhere in the law.

01:17:39.180 What's mentioned in the law is the child's gender identity and expression, and the parent's affirmation of that, whatever it is, because that is our duty as parents to affirm our children.

01:17:54.120 Good. 1.00

01:17:54.520 You just sound so stupid. 1.00

01:17:55.820 Our duty is exactly the opposite. 1.00

01:17:57.440 You know how often I say no to my kids?

01:18:00.200 Yeah, that's...

01:18:00.860 All day, every day, forever.

01:18:02.500 90% of what you do as a parent is not affirming your kids.

01:18:05.520 Like, that's 90%.

01:18:06.520 I told a story...

01:18:07.240 90?

01:18:07.600 You're just at 90%?

01:18:08.540 Well, maybe 95.

01:18:09.900 I told a story on my podcast a couple days ago, that just, you know, on Sunday, my six-year-old son comes to me and says, Daddy, can I have a saw?

01:18:17.420 And I say, no, you definitely can't, but why?

01:18:19.940 Just out of curiosity.

01:18:20.940 And he wanted to cut down a 40-foot tree in our backyard because he wanted wood to build a fort.

01:18:25.640 And so it's like, that's just one example of when I'm not going to affirm my child, but also your child has just simply no concept of reality, of what's good for him, of what's safe for him.

01:18:37.340 My two-year-old asked me, first things more, if he could drive the big car.

01:18:40.060 I mean, I don't know.

01:18:40.640 I thought that was something appropriate to say no to.

01:18:42.220 Like, I don't think he should actually drive the vehicle today. 0.99

01:18:44.180 You horrible, horrible person. 0.99

01:18:45.800 How could you? 0.99

01:18:46.400 I did not affirm him in his desire to drive the car.

01:18:49.280 What I love is when they say things with confidence, like, since the dawn of time.

01:18:53.220 Did the dawn of time happen?

01:18:55.820 I need to check my watch on the dawn of time because I'm having some feelings about this.

01:19:00.080 It's Mad Libs.

01:19:01.100 They just, like, use the phrase. 0.98

01:19:01.760 It's ridiculous.

01:19:02.880 Name a civilization where anyone has ever affirmed their children in any way remotely like this. 0.87

01:19:07.100 No one thinks that, I mean, the Spartans used to affirm their children by leaving them out to die in the wilderness.

01:19:11.780 Throwing them off a cliff.

01:19:13.940 I am all for the fight, and I'm all for conservatives wielding more power than they're used to wielding.

01:19:20.860 But there's an important role in politics, which is you've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, and know when to run.

01:19:27.840 And right now, if you are in the state of California, and you are in the kind of marriage, look, certain groups, they just don't get divorced.

01:19:35.840 The Jews, the Orthodox Jews, the Catholics, there are certain groups that say no divorce under any...

01:19:40.520 If you are in a marriage, though, where divorce is a possibility, and you have kids, GTFO right now.

01:19:48.020 You just can't risk that.

01:19:49.200 By the way, you should stop the sentence if you're in California.

01:19:52.640 Well, I just want to say, that's actually what I was going to say.

01:19:54.920 I'm done being outraged at these Democrats in California.

01:19:58.800 Like, when I see this, I'm like, whatever.

01:20:00.040 And I'm done feeling sympathetic with people that are in California because they're basically watching North Korea be built slowly. 0.55

01:20:05.980 And it's like, and they have the option to get out, right?

01:20:08.660 And they don't leave.

01:20:09.780 They don't leave.

01:20:10.240 And I just, I don't understand the person, especially...

01:20:12.100 I understand if you're poor or something, but there are plenty of people who are...

01:20:14.100 And by the way, it is the middle and upper class people.

01:20:14.880 But like, if you're a parent, and you see this stuff, and you hear them complaining, and people writing on the show, and all these things, and I'm going, you obviously have to leave the state.

01:20:23.160 At what point do you understand that survival instinct kicks in, and you say, if we're even kicking this around, I gotta go.

01:20:30.200 The real story of why this company is in Nashville, and the reason why my family is in Florida,

01:20:34.620 it actually starts...

01:20:35.860 So 2020 was the year that we moved because of COVID, and because of the Black Lives Matter riots, and because of all of that. 0.97

01:20:40.220 My wife looked at me and finally acquiesced to my determination that we get the hell out of the state. 0.99

01:20:43.980 But at least five years prior to that, when our now nine-year-old was a baby,

01:20:48.620 when I turned to her and I said, I do not think that in five years it will be possible to raise our child in the state.

01:20:53.320 I just don't think it's going to be possible.

01:20:55.140 And I look at stuff like this, and I wonder, how does anyone think that this is going to be possible?

01:20:59.360 Because they're going, I promise you, the next step, the next thing they're going to do is they're going to start

01:21:03.180 de-accrediting any homeschooling program that does not affirmatively teach this stuff.

01:21:07.100 They're going to go after the private schools.

01:21:08.260 They're going to say that it's violative of the anti-discrimination law.

01:21:10.700 Now, to mirror the Title IX prescriptions by Justice Gorsuch that suggest that transgenderism 0.58

01:21:14.480 ought to be treated the same as discrimination on the basis of sex,

01:21:17.920 they're going to make it impossible to be a traditional person in the state of California.

01:21:21.480 That is their goal.

01:21:22.260 The government owns your kids currently if you live in California.

01:21:24.600 There's no question about that.

01:21:25.780 And it's very bizarre to me that parents still stay there.

01:21:28.140 I mean, short of, I literally do not have the financial resources to pick up and move,

01:21:32.560 which would shock me because you're in California and you're just being taxed,

01:21:35.000 the financial resources to be able to pick up and move.

01:21:38.040 But short of that excuse, I don't understand the whining and the moaning and the saying that this is

01:21:42.840 really bad and refusing to move your feet because this should terrify every parent.

01:21:47.000 There should be way more.

01:21:48.060 There is an exodus happening, but I think too slowly for the stuff that we're seeing.

01:21:51.380 And they're even trying to make imaginary walls.

01:21:53.100 You know, if you leave, they're kicking around the idea of taxing people 10 years after.

01:21:58.660 That's a communist even.

01:22:00.400 It's the concept is mind-boggling.

01:22:02.120 You're building an imaginary wall.

01:22:04.080 It does remind you.

01:22:05.240 I always hate these comparisons to the Holocaust and to Germany.

01:22:09.400 But it does remind you of those people who escaped and came back and said,

01:22:12.720 you know, they're killing everybody. 0.99

01:22:14.240 And the Jews were going, no, come on, don't be ridiculous. 0.99

01:22:16.860 I mean, you're absolutely right. 1.00

01:22:18.680 This is like an absolute nightmare.

01:22:20.500 Just the idea that they could consider this with a straight face.

01:22:24.100 That woman, if that's what she was, speaking, I just thought, like, the minute I see that person, I'm on the next train.

01:22:30.680 You know, I had this thought 20 years ago, 30 years ago, when I'm growing up, and you'd hear these people say America's evil and America's terrible.

01:22:39.780 I said, what are you talking about?

01:22:40.440 We're the good guys.

01:22:41.480 You're the bad guys. 1.00

01:22:42.280 Shut up. 1.00

01:22:42.760 This is America. 1.00

01:22:43.300 And I feel like I'm in that British sketch, you know, you're looking around and you say, are we the baddies that we're, like, sterilizing children, ripping them away from their fathers, say nothing of killing 800,000 babies a year.

01:22:56.660 And, you know, at a certain point, if the culture really becomes that we're living in the world upside down, where everything that's good is considered bad and vice versa, are we the baddies?

01:23:06.080 Yeah.

01:23:06.180 No, I know.

01:23:07.080 I mean, certainly.

01:23:08.000 That awful Michael Knowles gets thrown off YouTube.

01:23:11.100 We're speaking, like, basic truth.

01:23:12.760 I mean, it is a fact that the counterculture is now the dominant culture in the United States.

01:23:17.380 And because culture is defined by the media, it's defined by Hollywood, it's defined by all the things that we watch and ingest kind of naturally in the air.

01:23:23.440 By the air in places like California.

01:23:25.620 And so I don't know how many of you were watching what happened over at Burning Man, which was wildly entertaining for a variety of reasons.

01:23:32.720 But one of the things that's so fascinating about Burning Man is how it went from just a bunch of nuts on a beach to 100,000 people showing up in the middle of the desert every year, including some of the most prominent people in American public life. 0.87

01:23:42.020 Suddenly, all these crazy people who are doing stupid things and having drugs and, you know, having sex with one another randomly.

01:23:49.480 And worshipping a literal idol, a Burning Man, who is the object of worship in the desert. 0.98

01:23:54.600 You know, I did a whole bit on this on the show, but you know they actually have, like, a list of their principles in Burning Man.

01:23:59.200 Yes.

01:23:59.380 And the list of their principles, there are 10 of them, as you would predict if you were going to create, you know, like a satanic counter to the Ten Commandments.

01:24:05.880 And three of the most crucial are self-expression, right?

01:24:09.660 They call it radical self-expression, radical inclusion, and immediacy, right?

01:24:14.540 Those are three.

01:24:15.140 I mean, that's our culture.

01:24:16.260 That's our culture right now.

01:24:17.200 And that is the culture that is being foisted upon every kid they can get a hold of.

01:24:21.700 It's why it's important for them to make genderqueer available to your 10-year-old.

01:24:25.240 They want, like, anybody who's pretending that they are not after the kids, of course they're after the kids.

01:24:29.540 Of course they're after the kids.

01:24:30.460 How do you think they win over the next generation?

01:24:32.140 They're doing the work that conservatives have not done and that people traditionally have not.

01:24:35.520 When we were talking earlier about how the older generation didn't inculcate in their kids a set of values,

01:24:40.180 and instead they sort of went libertarian.

01:24:41.440 It's like, whatever values you choose, those values are perfectly good and those values are perfectly innocent.

01:24:45.340 Well, the left never has that compunction.

01:24:47.420 The left is like, we will cram down our set of values on your child at the first available opportunity.

01:24:52.540 And if you try to stop us, then we will say that you as a parent have failed and we will try to remove the child from you. 0.77

01:24:57.400 I mean, this is, it should be terrifying to anybody who's got half a brain.

01:25:00.520 You know, if you've ever seen the horror movie The Wicker Man, have you seen it? 0.58

01:25:04.500 I mean, this is basically about a Christian cop, an uptight Christian cop who goes to this island of pagan worship 1.00

01:25:12.320 because he hears that there's human sacrifice and basically finds out that the human sacrifice is himself.

01:25:18.160 But it ends with this tremendous Wicker Man burning.

01:25:21.660 It is Burning Man.

01:25:23.400 And we could sit and talk about that film.

01:25:26.320 If we watch that film, we could sit and talk about it for about three hours as it applies to this moment

01:25:31.740 because it is the moment in which this kind of Christian cop is annoying and he's utterly serious and he's anti-sexual

01:25:39.940 and the pagans are just lovely.

01:25:42.400 Free love, man.

01:25:43.120 Free love and it's all, yes, the beautiful naked children jumping through the fire.

01:25:48.220 Isn't this beautiful? 0.82

01:25:49.220 And, of course, they're homicidal.

01:25:50.760 And we're kind of in this moment where that film has become a literal description of our life.

01:25:55.320 I don't watch scary films.

01:25:56.760 Yeah, no.

01:25:57.480 I was just going to ask, do you guys actually watch horror films?

01:25:59.620 I don't like it.

01:25:59.940 You just watch scary movies.

01:26:01.300 I watch spooky movies.

01:26:02.100 Yeah.

01:26:02.880 I just like, I don't know, I feel like I've got the eyes or the window to the soul.

01:26:04.900 You just did make an entire series about a murderer, so.

01:26:07.700 Yeah.

01:26:08.540 That's real life.

01:26:09.740 That's real life.

01:26:10.500 And we're living in a real-life horror film.

01:26:12.540 But I don't watch scary movies.

01:26:14.100 I pointed out that this is just a pagan worship, like a bacchanal.

01:26:18.280 And some people said this was crazy.

01:26:21.500 What do they think ancient cultures did?

01:26:23.660 And I think they're just so radically removed and ignorant of history, they don't realize

01:26:28.220 that what the Canaanites were doing was just that. 0.95

01:26:30.480 They were doing a bunch of drugs.

01:26:31.880 They were getting very drunk. 0.69

01:26:33.020 They were having weird sex with lots of different people and goats and things. 0.72

01:26:36.080 And they were worshiping idols. 0.59

01:26:37.440 You know, you can look at all of Jewish history.

01:26:39.200 Seriously, if you read the Bible, you can look at all of Jewish history of God saying,

01:26:41.780 stop killing children.

01:26:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:43.220 You just say, well, we can kill some children. 0.99

01:26:44.460 No. 1.00

01:26:44.800 No. 0.99

01:26:44.920 Just stop killing the children.

01:26:46.840 Like, well, what about this time?

01:26:47.920 What about this one?

01:26:48.360 Yeah, I know.

01:26:49.060 Now, one thing.

01:26:50.400 I will say that what the Bible does say, and this is actually, you know, relevant to some

01:26:54.280 of the discussion we're having, it says radical separation from this.

01:26:57.600 Radical separation from this.

01:26:58.800 Right?

01:26:58.900 The book of Deuteronomy is like, you'll go into the land and there will be people who

01:27:01.220 will tempt you to participate in these sorts of cultures.

01:27:03.220 And you will not participate in these sorts of cultures or the land will spit you out. 0.83

01:27:07.100 There's a whole list of curses.

01:27:08.200 I mean, we just read this in the Torah the last couple of weeks.

01:27:10.700 A whole list of curses of bad things that are going to happen to you if you do all of

01:27:14.480 these things.

01:27:14.820 Because that's the natural consequence of doing all these things. 0.98

01:27:17.960 And people read that as like God saying, if you do this, I shall smite you with my hand.

01:27:21.100 But that's not what he's saying.

01:27:23.300 What he's saying is the world works in a particular way.

01:27:25.700 If you do these things, the natural consequence of these things is really, really, really bad.

01:27:31.040 And so when the consequences happen, because our society is so childish, they have no idea

01:27:36.040 of cause and effect.

01:27:37.080 It's like they do the thing.

01:27:38.180 It's like my seven-year-old son sometimes.

01:27:40.200 He'll say he's about to do something bad.

01:27:41.480 And I'll say, like, if you do that, this is going to happen.

01:27:43.040 And then he does the bad thing.

01:27:43.860 And then that happens.

01:27:44.420 I'm like, why did that happen?

01:27:45.460 I literally just told you one second ago why that was going to happen.

01:27:49.580 And that's our society.

01:27:51.080 We say, like, you know what happens if you completely disregard children and pretend that you don't

01:27:54.100 have to build a future? 0.91

01:27:54.960 Well, then you have a childless society of miserable single people. 0.99

01:27:57.460 And you're like, but why do we have a childless society filled with miserable single people? 1.00

01:28:00.940 How could this have happened?

01:28:01.980 You know, something I used to love when I was a child and that I still love as an adult

01:28:05.400 is eating a delicious chocolate.

01:28:07.260 And many of you know that we launched Jeremy's Chocolate back in March and sold out our he,

01:28:12.420 him and she, her, respectively, nut and nutless bars within weeks of the launch.

01:28:18.660 Well, now Halloween is quickly approaching and we are back in stock and we are ready to ship.

01:28:23.220 How phenomenal is it that you won't have to settle for ideological chocolate from people

01:28:28.020 who think Frankenstein can become his own bride? 1.00

01:28:30.800 Huh?

01:28:31.080 Who writes this stuff?

01:28:32.000 These leftist corporations hate you and they hate what you believe.

01:28:35.340 So strike back by ordering your chocolate at jeremyschocolate.com before they sell out again.

01:28:40.060 I'm a little miffed that YouTube booted Candace on this big week and everything.

01:28:44.340 But one thing I love about this show not being on YouTube right now is we can just slam

01:28:49.800 transgenderism for the entire two hours. 0.90

01:28:53.080 I mean, we can shill the trans chocolates or the anti-trans chocolates.

01:28:56.520 We can talk about these stories that are going on very openly.

01:28:58.960 Usually, you have to go to dailywire.com and become a member to get the parts of the show

01:29:03.420 that YouTube will not permit on.

01:29:05.660 Before we get to the member block, there's one very, very important story we have to get to.

01:29:09.560 I can't believe we haven't touched on it yet.

01:29:11.520 Aliens.

01:29:12.700 Close.

01:29:13.300 Maybe we'll get to that in the member block.

01:29:15.000 Unless I have anything to say about it.

01:29:16.940 No, this is a more important story.

01:29:19.060 A man from Florida, of course, tried to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a human-powered hamster wheel.

01:29:26.240 I love the state.

01:29:26.540 There's the hamster wheel.

01:29:28.280 You can see it right there.

01:29:29.860 He was arrested by the Coast Guard for some reason.

01:29:33.160 And that's what people are asking.

01:29:35.420 I thought this was America.

01:29:36.260 This man's name, Riza Bellucci, right off the Mayflower, traditional American name.

01:29:42.180 He was arrested 70 miles off the coast of Georgia when officers found him during a, quote,

01:29:47.860 manifestly unsafe voyage while Hurricane Franklin was headed toward the area.

01:29:52.420 Arrested on what charges?

01:29:53.440 Of being a...

01:29:55.180 Hamstery.

01:29:56.580 Hamstery.

01:29:58.820 Being an explorer.

01:30:01.500 They found him, but there was a big standoff because he didn't want to go.

01:30:05.560 Wait, this is the first time authorities have found Bellucci?

01:30:07.700 This is not the first time?

01:30:08.800 No, no.

01:30:09.200 He tried it one other time.

01:30:10.480 How'd it go?

01:30:11.080 So, well, he didn't quite make it.

01:30:13.080 In 2014, the Coast Guard found him also 70 miles off the coast of Florida.

01:30:17.120 Man, they really set up that radius 70 miles out there.

01:30:19.240 It's like, you will not pass 70 miles.

01:30:20.500 He only made it to 80.

01:30:21.860 It was an inflatable bubble that time during an attempt to run around the Bermuda Triangle.

01:30:28.460 So...

01:30:28.700 He was very determined to run around in contraptions with water.

01:30:31.400 Out of, like, Tom and Jerry cartoons.

01:30:33.800 So...

01:30:33.860 That's hot right now.

01:30:34.700 What?

01:30:35.740 That's so hot.

01:30:36.420 That's so hot right now.

01:30:37.520 Just very quickly, before we get to the member block, was the Coast Guard right?

01:30:42.340 No, they weren't.

01:30:42.880 Can I have a lot to say?

01:30:46.560 This man...

01:30:47.440 Right down Broadway from that area.

01:30:49.540 This man...

01:30:50.100 This is an innovator.

01:30:51.440 This is a voyager.

01:30:53.000 This is an adventure.

01:30:54.680 Look, we live in a world that's been already conquered, and so people are looking for ways...

01:30:58.660 And most things have already been discovered.

01:30:59.980 You have to go deep in the Amazon or deep under the ocean, like the intrepid explorers on the submarine.

01:31:04.260 All right.

01:31:04.880 It's too soon.

01:31:05.420 People are...

01:31:06.420 People are...

01:31:07.020 Well, it's a tribute to them.

01:31:08.120 People are looking for ways to reach and to do something, to expand beyond the normal

01:31:13.920 horizons of normal human behavior.

01:31:16.500 And so this man spent how many years making this hamster wheel?

01:31:20.500 At least a week.

01:31:21.380 And longer than that.

01:31:22.560 I mean, that thing looked very impressive.

01:31:24.400 And he finally launches it.

01:31:25.900 And then the Coast Guard shuts down his dream for no reason.

01:31:28.400 I'll tell you why.

01:31:29.060 It's because you're...

01:31:29.720 Jealous.

01:31:30.160 You're not allowed to dream anymore.

01:31:31.960 Jealous.

01:31:32.300 People are not allowed...

01:31:32.980 I'm doing a speech.

01:31:33.660 People are not allowed to have dreams anymore.

01:31:38.220 Yeah.

01:31:38.860 Yeah.

01:31:39.440 Hamster dreams.

01:31:40.300 Okay.

01:31:40.720 Uh-huh.

01:31:41.380 Wow.

01:31:42.000 That was compelling.

01:31:42.420 I had hamsters when I was young.

01:31:43.420 First of all, we need to immediately drop thousands of these hamster wheels in Cuba. 0.98

01:31:49.220 So we get more Republican voters in Florida.

01:31:51.180 That's correct.

01:31:51.800 That's right.

01:31:52.480 And cigars.

01:31:53.260 Democrats will buy them and send them over to Florida.

01:31:55.040 They're awesome.

01:31:55.600 I love the Cubans in Florida. 0.98

01:31:56.640 They're awesome.

01:31:57.340 So more of this.

01:31:58.160 More hamster wheels.

01:31:59.260 Not fewer hamster wheels.

01:32:00.120 The answer to hamster wheels is more hamster wheels. 0.94

01:32:04.560 That is the actual answer.

01:32:06.580 Also, again, I don't know...

01:32:07.960 Why does the Coast Guard care?

01:32:09.280 So here...

01:32:09.840 Can I be the wet blanket here?

01:32:10.680 A Chinese spy balloon flying across America.

01:32:13.260 U.S. military like...

01:32:14.360 A weird guy with hamster wheels 70 miles off the coast of Georgia like...

01:32:18.440 Get him!

01:32:18.980 Get that!

01:32:20.440 I'm going to be the wet blanket authoritarian far right wing conservative.

01:32:23.840 I don't think that people should be permitted to commit suicide in elaborately cartoonish ways.

01:32:31.480 That's not...

01:32:31.920 I think that's a bad idea for society.

01:32:34.320 I think people should be allowed to go into the ocean in elaborately cartoonish ways.

01:32:38.540 Is he dead?

01:32:39.460 Is his second...

01:32:39.840 No, he's not.

01:32:40.800 He's not dead.

01:32:41.520 He's not dead.

01:32:41.640 And you're right.

01:32:41.960 It's been a success.

01:32:42.560 And I have more questions.

01:32:43.680 I want to know more about the contraption.

01:32:44.920 I want to know...

01:32:45.100 How high were the waves?

01:32:46.120 What's that experience like?

01:32:47.120 Yeah.

01:32:47.480 There's so many questions about the story.

01:32:48.960 And what were the charges?

01:32:50.300 How many miles is the Atlantic Ocean?

01:32:52.240 Because if it's 80, I say let him go for it.

01:32:55.340 But...

01:32:55.740 It reminds me of the case of the...

01:32:58.740 We remember many years ago.

01:33:00.240 The man that took a lawn chair.

01:33:01.900 He put a bunch of balloons on a lawn chair.

01:33:03.280 Yes.

01:33:03.820 And he floated into the sky.

01:33:05.080 They took that man down also.

01:33:07.000 And they arrested him on what charges?

01:33:09.360 On what charges?

01:33:10.240 Really.

01:33:10.700 On the charges of excellent cartoonish fun.

01:33:14.420 Exactly.

01:33:15.120 It's just terrible.

01:33:16.300 I don't understand it at all.

01:33:18.400 And it seems to me that, frankly, we should replace General Mark Milley with this fellow.

01:33:23.540 Reza Balucci.

01:33:24.740 He has greater expertise on the high seas than apparently many of our military people.

01:33:29.020 I don't know how much white rage he has, though.

01:33:31.020 You know, that's going to be a point of contention.

01:33:32.940 And he's already lived longer than most hamsters.

01:33:36.100 He's playing with the house's money.

01:33:38.640 You know, folks, it's time to take some of our member questions.

01:33:42.520 Now, we're not going to switch over because we're here.

01:33:44.520 We're just here for Daily Wire Plus right now.

01:33:46.060 Got it.

01:33:46.260 So this is one of the perks of being a Daily Wire Plus member is that you can submit questions

01:33:51.640 about any topic other than extraterrestrials, and we will answer them from our lovely members

01:33:57.840 who fund this whole place.

01:34:00.060 First question up, Candace, will you be doing a second season of Convicting a Murderer

01:34:05.100 where you debunk Avery's new lawyer, Kathleen? 1.00

01:34:08.880 I think she does a good job of making it look like he was framed.

01:34:12.340 And I thought season two of Making a Murderer was more convincing than season one.

01:34:17.280 Wow, that's actually an unusual take.

01:34:18.840 People said that season two was not great and season one was one that hooked everybody.

01:34:22.360 Most people actually dropped off after season one, after watching a few episodes in season

01:34:25.760 two.

01:34:26.560 But to answer the question, first and foremost, one of the things me and my husbands always

01:34:29.800 say is lawyers got a lawyer.

01:34:30.920 If you're a good lawyer, you know how to lawyer.

01:34:32.860 You just talk and like, you know, and bill people for tons of money.

01:34:36.580 And she had the crowd already because Netflix did all the work for her.

01:34:39.700 It's interesting to see that she hasn't yet said anything since it's come out.

01:34:43.460 We've already gotten so many tremendous emails from people saying that they flipped their

01:34:46.660 opinion, including people that were in the documentary, like hardcore Stephen Avery, the

01:34:51.100 cat incident.

01:34:51.720 Like they were just like personally just looking at this and realizing that they left out these

01:34:56.360 details is already disturbing to me.

01:34:58.500 So I think it's going to be interesting.

01:35:00.300 And I think especially because the documentary makers were women. 1.00

01:35:02.500 Kathleen Zellner is a woman.

01:35:04.920 When you learn what happened and how Teresa Hallback suffered, and then you realize that she was

01:35:09.340 again murdered in her afterlife, figuratively, by a bunch of women who were just out to make 1.00

01:35:13.900 money, it's not a good position to be in.

01:35:16.580 So I'm watching Kathleen Zellner.

01:35:18.280 I don't think she's going to be saying much.

01:35:21.520 So far, she seems pretty mum.

01:35:24.140 I'm working on a different documentary right now.

01:35:26.680 And if, you know, convicting a murderer, if there's tons of interest in the season two,

01:35:31.220 which I think after you get through what we've unpacked, you're going to be like, no,

01:35:33.980 this man's guilty.

01:35:35.360 Maybe we'll do it.

01:35:36.220 But I'm, you know, working on some other stuff right now, which I want you to do.

01:35:39.400 I want you to do convicting a murder on OJ.

01:35:42.960 I think it'd be amazing.

01:35:43.940 That would be amazing. 0.99

01:35:44.360 I want you to do all the murders.

01:35:45.820 Especially after Central Park Five.

01:35:47.640 I mean, everything.

01:35:48.460 It's just everyone.

01:35:49.380 They did that entire series basically proclaiming that it was because of the failures of the

01:35:52.380 prosecution that he wasn't convicted when it was very clear why he wasn't convicted.

01:35:55.600 Yeah.

01:35:55.920 And I clearly remember, actually, in my childhood, like my dad and people in my family being

01:36:00.620 excited that he didn't like it was like this thing where your pressure was just you're

01:36:03.380 black.

01:36:03.700 You're supposed to be happy that he didn't get off. 0.96

01:36:04.820 I was so young, obviously.

01:36:06.180 I remember.

01:36:06.200 I was in public school at the time.

01:36:06.820 But that was pretty much it.

01:36:07.980 I remember they wheeled. 0.90

01:36:08.320 If you were black, you cheered because he got off. 0.99

01:36:10.400 And then I got older and I learned the facts of the case. 0.76

01:36:11.960 And I was like.

01:36:12.540 And he brutally murdered his lawyer.

01:36:14.280 Or waiter, rather.

01:36:15.240 Yeah.

01:36:15.720 I remember they literally wheeled a TV into our classroom to announce the verdict on the

01:36:21.640 OJ case.

01:36:22.660 And I remember there was.

01:36:23.500 How old were you?

01:36:23.960 It was crazy.

01:36:24.380 How old were you?

01:36:24.800 Well, that was 95.

01:36:25.800 So I was 11.

01:36:26.460 Okay.

01:36:26.700 Wow.

01:36:26.940 And I remember they wheeled it into the classroom.

01:36:28.780 And I remember there was a dramatic racial split.

01:36:32.020 It was like everybody who was.

01:36:33.280 Every black kid in the class was like, yeah.

01:36:34.860 Easy. 0.86

01:36:35.220 And everybody else was like, he's so obviously guilty.

01:36:37.620 Guilty.

01:36:38.160 Yeah.

01:36:38.460 And yeah.

01:36:39.320 Did you see the gloves?

01:36:40.360 Yeah.

01:36:40.580 That's actually super interesting.

01:36:41.020 Did you see the gloves didn't fit on his hand?

01:36:42.780 But that really tells you how black America is so seen by the cultural icons.

01:36:47.240 You know, culture.

01:36:48.320 He plays football.

01:36:49.440 This person plays basketball.

01:36:50.380 It doesn't matter what the facts are.

01:36:51.560 By the way, that was what was amazing about the OJ case, not to get to completely digressive

01:36:54.760 here, is that OJ was completely disconnected from the quote unquote black community.

01:36:58.840 I'm not black.

01:36:59.300 I'm OJ.

01:36:59.500 He lived today with the whitest area in LA.

01:37:01.260 Brentwood was the whitest area in LA.

01:37:03.180 And by the way, if he'd been tried in Brentwood, he is guilty as hell, right?

01:37:05.680 He goes immediately to death row if he's tried in Brentwood.

01:37:08.420 And the minute they moved it to downtown LA, that case was over basically because they

01:37:11.860 had a different jury pool.

01:37:12.980 But the black community rallying around OJ, who had done nothing for the black community,

01:37:16.400 like at all.

01:37:17.880 But he was good at sports.

01:37:19.080 It was an amazing, amazing thing.

01:37:20.400 Speaking of murders, this is a question for the group.

01:37:22.900 Is it now spooky season?

01:37:25.080 Personally, for me, it is.

01:37:26.420 But collectively, what do y'all think? 1.00

01:37:28.000 Halloween is pagan crap. 0.99

01:37:29.560 That's what I think. 0.99

01:37:30.140 I'm trying to get my husband to be Prince Harry so I can be Meghan Markle.

01:37:34.580 Wow.

01:37:35.220 Or Instagram.

01:37:36.120 Oh, you should probably do it.

01:37:37.040 Come on, just for Instagram.

01:37:38.100 Oh, you 100% have to do that.

01:37:38.900 Just get dressed up and...

01:37:40.060 What do we have to tell them to make that happen?

01:37:41.780 I know.

01:37:42.100 That's nice.

01:37:42.400 I know.

01:37:43.180 It's just like, I'm like, it's perfect.

01:37:44.560 That's all we have to do is moan and...

01:37:46.500 We want privacy!

01:37:47.780 We want privacy!

01:37:48.780 Are you...

01:37:50.020 You're actually anti-Halloween?

01:37:51.300 Yes.

01:37:52.040 But you have Jewish Halloween. 0.97

01:37:53.300 You have Purim.

01:37:54.320 Purim has nothing to do with...

01:37:55.420 Yes, it does. 0.99

01:37:56.040 ...pagan spirits and weird pumpkins crap. 0.99

01:37:59.380 But they get to dress up and you get to have fun. 0.96

01:38:00.800 Purim is like most of our holidays.

01:38:01.740 It's like, they tried to kill us.

01:38:02.580 We defeated them.

01:38:03.160 Let's eat.

01:38:03.840 And in this case, let's drink.

01:38:05.040 And we'll read some stuff. 0.97

01:38:06.020 And put on silly costumes. 0.97

01:38:07.080 And put on silly costumes. 0.98

01:38:08.020 Yeah. 0.97

01:38:08.320 Yeah, celebrate Halloween.

01:38:09.040 What do I...

01:38:09.380 Michael, you...

01:38:10.080 There is a...

01:38:11.020 Look, I used to be really into Halloween back when I was just a vicious pagan.

01:38:15.540 But I'm into it now in that it has great religious significance.

01:38:20.200 You know, All Hallows' Eve and All Saints' Day.

01:38:23.360 And so there's a question for Christians, which is the really trad, like, good, wholesome thing to do is you dress your kids up not as monsters and ghosts, but as saints.

01:38:32.940 And the thing is, the saint costumes are pretty gory, too.

01:38:37.600 Like, Peter Martin's got an axe in his head.

01:38:41.020 St. Simon the Zealot's carrying a saw that sawed him in half, you know.

01:38:44.100 So those could be...

01:38:44.920 Or you just wear, like, white robes.

01:38:46.980 Yeah, but then the advantage is you go trick-or-treating with a kid and you have to explain the costume to every house.

01:38:50.720 Like, what are you?

01:38:51.500 Oh, I'm a saint.

01:38:52.280 You get the blank expressions when you explain it.

01:38:54.300 But I'm still pretty into it.

01:38:55.520 So we split between, like, a horror show and a saint.

01:38:59.740 My kid last year just went as Elvis.

01:39:01.940 And now I'm thinking about Curious George for the little baby and the man in the yellow hat for my eldest.

01:39:07.640 Yeah, we did do Purim.

01:39:08.820 And so this year it'll probably be something Star Wars related because my kids are very, very into Star Wars.

01:39:12.920 And the good news is there are a lot of characters in that.

01:39:14.300 So we're doing that, plus my sister's family.

01:39:16.080 So that is eight kids combined, four adults, and my parents.

01:39:19.200 Who gets to be Jar Jar?

01:39:20.880 No one is Jar Jar.

01:39:22.460 Greatest character.

01:39:23.260 The baby is always Baby Yoda.

01:39:25.340 Oh, so cute.

01:39:26.440 Are you pro-Halloween?

01:39:28.680 Oh, I'm fine with it.

01:39:29.600 Yeah, I don't...

01:39:30.480 We don't like, you know...

01:39:31.160 He's talking to me.

01:39:32.080 He said, Captain, yoga is the root of all evil.

01:39:34.560 It's, like, fine with Halloween and it's carnivore.

01:39:36.280 Well, because for the reason Michael just pointed out.

01:39:38.700 It's actually got deep Christian significance.

01:39:40.760 And, I mean, I'm not going to...

01:39:41.740 The kids aren't going to dress up like devils or whatever.

01:39:43.780 But, you know, it's just a fun...

01:39:45.280 And it's really modern Halloween.

01:39:46.980 It's just a commercial invention.

01:39:48.540 It doesn't have roots any deeper than that.

01:39:50.100 So that's all.

01:39:50.420 Yeah, I'm with Matt on this.

01:39:51.740 I like Halloween.

01:39:52.700 It's fun.

01:39:53.340 I can't believe I'm the fundamentalist Christian on this.

01:39:54.820 You are.

01:39:55.460 You are.

01:39:55.920 And you get evangelical.

01:39:57.080 It's coming to now.

01:39:57.580 We haven't done it.

01:39:58.280 You get candy, so...

01:39:59.500 And you get candy, which is...

01:40:00.620 And the parents get to eat the candy.

01:40:02.340 But they put razors in the candy. 0.92

01:40:04.080 Did you...

01:40:04.340 That's what...

01:40:04.700 I always heard they put razors in the candy.

01:40:06.460 I've never once had a razor in my candy.

01:40:07.980 I did that to my kids.

01:40:09.000 But most people don't do that.

01:40:10.300 Not to the neighborhood.

01:40:10.980 My kids very much believe that there are bad guys out there that might poison candy.

01:40:14.380 That's why daddy...

01:40:14.900 I would like to...

01:40:15.600 Yeah, by eating the candy.

01:40:18.040 Sacrificially check the candy to make sure it's not poison.

01:40:20.420 You're a good man.

01:40:21.900 I want mini, like, Jeremy's chocolates.

01:40:23.860 But I want to launch my own Jeremy's chocolate.

01:40:26.880 Candace, it's okay to be white chocolate.

01:40:28.600 It just feels appropriate for Halloween.

01:40:31.520 And they would sell out the Daily Wire.

01:40:33.000 And I'd like to pitch this live.

01:40:34.760 Ben?

01:40:35.700 Ben?

01:40:36.580 We'll put it in the hopper.

01:40:37.720 Yeah.

01:40:37.920 Put it in the hopper.

01:40:38.580 We'll get it back to you.

01:40:39.220 Thank you.

01:40:39.600 Okay.

01:40:39.820 There's a process.

01:40:40.160 Just throw it out there live.

01:40:41.480 There's a process.

01:40:42.200 I'm a big fan of white chocolate.

01:40:43.580 We'll just go crazy.

01:40:44.720 My original white chocolate.

01:40:45.440 I suppose it was the Rachel Dolezal.

01:40:47.240 Yeah.

01:40:47.680 Yeah.

01:40:48.240 Rachel Dolezal.

01:40:48.780 It was, like, my original...

01:40:50.360 That's the best idea the Daily Wire has had.

01:40:53.840 In quite a while.

01:40:56.000 Just trying to, you know, sell out some chocolate here, guys.

01:40:58.560 This is a question for the panel.

01:41:00.240 My brother has come out as a trans woman.

01:41:03.180 My family fully supports his decision.

01:41:05.420 And I seem to be the only person that seems to disagree with it.

01:41:08.400 I'm stuck between submitting and supporting him and getting shunned for being transphobic.

01:41:14.400 Any thought would help?

01:41:16.460 Thanks.

01:41:17.320 Matt Walsh.

01:41:19.160 Well, you know, I think we all...

01:41:21.020 I mean, this is probably the number one question I get when I'm out doing college talks, is

01:41:25.020 a version of this question.

01:41:26.320 What do I do?

01:41:26.760 Such as family members coming out as trans, what do I do? 1.00

01:41:29.200 I mean, the answer is that, unfortunately, there's not any easy...

01:41:32.400 Like, I can't give you...

01:41:33.400 I don't think anyone can give you a three-step process that you can follow and everything

01:41:36.020 will be fine.

01:41:37.080 The answer is it's just going to be difficult.

01:41:39.100 But for you, there's no option of going along with it.

01:41:42.800 You absolutely do not submit to it.

01:41:45.040 And all you can do...

01:41:46.000 So you're not going to submit.

01:41:47.340 You're going to stand with the truth.

01:41:50.340 It doesn't mean that you're being aggressive or necessarily even confrontational, but you're

01:41:55.360 not going to go along with this delusion.

01:41:56.900 Your brother is a male, and you're going to stand by that.

01:42:00.280 And all you can do is have faith.

01:42:01.620 And I think it will work out this way.

01:42:02.760 Oftentimes, it does.

01:42:04.240 Where in the short term, he's not going to want to be around you.

01:42:07.560 He's going to want to disown you as a sibling.

01:42:09.880 That is the case.

01:42:10.520 But down the line, you might plant some seeds.

01:42:14.360 And down the line, quite possibly, he will realize that not only were you right, but

01:42:19.780 you were the only person in the family who really loved him in any way that mattered.

01:42:24.200 Yeah.

01:42:24.420 So, you know, I actually had...

01:42:25.440 I was walking around Tennessee the other day, and a gal came up to me.

01:42:28.580 We were chatting, and she watches the show.

01:42:30.540 And she was with some liberal people.

01:42:33.200 And then as we're talking, she goes, hey, before I left, she goes, by the way, can you

01:42:36.360 tell Matt that his movie really helped me because my sister is trans, like thinks... 0.67

01:42:44.160 And I said, oh, I'm sorry.

01:42:44.900 That's very difficult.

01:42:45.920 And she goes, yeah.

01:42:46.340 I mean, she's like had the mastectomy. 1.00

01:42:48.260 Like, she's pretty far along in this.

01:42:50.300 And I could tell this gal didn't... 1.00

01:42:52.540 You know, she was surrounded by liberal people.

01:42:53.880 She didn't know what to do.

01:42:55.580 And so she was standing for truth as best she could, but she really felt the pressure.

01:43:00.960 And your movie apparently, like, shaped her view on how she could handle this kind of thing.

01:43:05.680 Well, this is, honestly, the counter message to what you're saying is one of the worst

01:43:09.520 messages in our society, which is that love means unconditional support for any

01:43:13.780 decision that a person makes, no matter how damaging to themselves or others.

01:43:17.820 That is not what love is.

01:43:19.020 I mean, when the Bible says don't place a stumbling block in front of a blind person, 0.99

01:43:22.300 this is what it is talking about.

01:43:23.980 This is literally what it is talking about.

01:43:25.440 You are not allowed.

01:43:26.480 You are biblically forbidden.

01:43:27.600 And you should be morally forbidden from somebody who's doing something wrong, humoring

01:43:31.060 them, going along with it.

01:43:32.080 Because if you truly love that person, you have to let them know that what they are doing

01:43:36.120 is a mistake for them.

01:43:37.420 It's a mistake for the family.

01:43:38.640 It has extra...

01:43:39.280 And it's so hard.

01:43:40.160 It's so bad.

01:43:40.960 It really is.

01:43:41.580 But there's, as Matt says, there is no other choice.

01:43:44.900 Because if you surrender to that, that's not love.

01:43:48.160 That's just acquiescence.

01:43:49.180 That's not a scandal.

01:43:49.680 There are ways and ways of doing this.

01:43:51.880 I mean, one of the things...

01:43:52.640 Of course.

01:43:53.040 We're always talking about...

01:43:53.940 One of the things that's very disturbing on the right is...

01:43:55.880 Bust the wall like a Kool-Aid man or something.

01:43:56.560 It's very disturbing on the right is that the choices between accepting what somebody's

01:44:00.780 doing and condemning them...

01:44:03.300 Throwing them off a rooftop. 1.00

01:44:04.060 ...or burning them at the stake. 0.85

01:44:05.800 And there are plenty of ways to turn to somebody and say, listen, I love you.

01:44:08.840 I'm always here for you.

01:44:09.660 I'll always talk to you.

01:44:10.760 I'm just telling you where I stand on this.

01:44:12.700 And anytime you need me, I'm here.

01:44:14.200 And that's a different thing.

01:44:15.340 Also, by the way, listen to any detransitioner, Chloe Cole, or any detransitioner that's spoken

01:44:20.100 out about this.

01:44:21.020 And they'll all say the same thing about...

01:44:23.300 I mean, they feel deeply betrayed and used by the medical industry and by therapists and

01:44:27.620 counselors and all these systems and institutions that have abused them.

01:44:32.720 But they also look back at their family members and they think, why didn't you go along with

01:44:39.500 this?

01:44:39.600 Why didn't you stop me?

01:44:42.420 This is a question for Ben.

01:44:43.600 Ben, any updates as to how Pendragon is going and when Jeremy is coming back?

01:44:47.580 So, Jeremy will be there forever.

01:44:50.260 And he will force me, purgatory-like, to come to this set.

01:44:54.820 Despite the fact that he started this show, mainly so that he could be part of a show with

01:44:58.620 all of us.

01:44:59.260 Come to this set.

01:45:00.100 To the backstage set.

01:45:01.280 This specific backstage set.

01:45:02.920 I'll be doing that for the next 20 years while Jeremy is...

01:45:05.360 I'm drinking.

01:45:06.660 No, the reality is I spoke with Jeremy today and it's apparently going great.

01:45:10.260 He was shooting a battle scene, which sounds awesome.

01:45:13.500 I know that you actually visited the set.

01:45:15.500 It's a better question for you than it is for me.

01:45:17.060 So I was over in Budapest, but it was before...

01:45:19.620 So I saw Jeremy, obviously, but it was before they started shooting.

01:45:23.060 I've seen on an iPhone, you know, I've seen some of the...

01:45:28.320 It's out of this world.

01:45:29.840 I had no idea.

01:45:31.000 I mean, I am...

01:45:31.680 They built an entire village.

01:45:32.860 Yes, they're going to have to start selling furniture from this set and all of it just

01:45:37.140 to start funding what's going on over there.

01:45:39.100 It is...

01:45:40.100 The scale of this cannot really be overstated.

01:45:46.680 You know, this is not the ordinary film.

01:45:49.000 So it's very cool.

01:45:49.740 And yes, he's going to be over there forever.

01:45:50.900 And that's too bad.

01:45:52.840 I hope I get to see him again at some point.

01:45:54.800 This is a question for me.

01:45:56.520 Catholics believe that once married, you can't be unmarried.

01:45:59.100 However, what if the marriage was not done by the church?

01:46:02.140 Let's say that a man gets married outside of the church and then gets a divorce.

01:46:06.380 Is it okay for him to get remarried inside of the church?

01:46:08.920 I am not a priest.

01:46:10.040 So this is actually not an answer, a question for me.

01:46:12.640 There is a process for this in the Catholic church, which is called annulment.

01:46:16.040 And people think annulment is just the Catholic loophole around divorce because the Catholics

01:46:19.600 say, no divorce, punto y basta, sorry, it's over, not going to happen.

01:46:23.540 And the question of annulment is, was your marriage valid in the first place, which is

01:46:27.700 kind of what you're getting at.

01:46:29.080 And I don't have the answer to that because I need a lot of the specifics.

01:46:32.540 So this is why there's an investigation.

01:46:34.300 It's actually kind of difficult to get an annulment. 0.99

01:46:36.560 What happens after a marriage, you can say, well, my husband's a big jerk and he cheated 1.00

01:46:41.480 on me and that doesn't matter. 1.00

01:46:43.060 I mean, it's bad.

01:46:43.600 It's horrible.

01:46:44.060 It obviously matters in your marriage, but that wouldn't determine whether or not your

01:46:47.680 marriage was valid at the time.

01:46:49.000 So what you would do, and this is not really the sort of thing that in our individualist

01:46:55.420 society we like to hear is you would go to the church and you would have the relevant

01:46:59.180 authorities investigate this.

01:47:00.360 And a lot of times there are issues with how marriages were done, but if not, you're

01:47:06.700 stuck, man.

01:47:07.520 Sorry to tell you, but you got to work on your marriage.

01:47:10.100 And if people took that more seriously, maybe the divorce rate would be a little bit lower.

01:47:14.760 How's that?

01:47:15.280 Question for all.

01:47:16.180 I want to get married, but I haven't found anyone.

01:47:18.340 I'm so scared of dating apps after a friend got kidnapped from one.

01:47:22.640 Well, yeah.

01:47:23.460 Go on.

01:47:24.300 Yeah.

01:47:25.160 I'm 20 and getting old for my culture, family and faith.

01:47:29.120 All right.

01:47:29.540 You know, 20. 0.77

01:47:30.360 Are you like a Wahhabi and, you know, sweaty ladies or something? 1.00

01:47:34.360 How do I find conservative Christians? 0.96

01:47:38.220 I'm in college.

01:47:39.860 I'm active in my community.

01:47:41.360 I need a guy like you guys.

01:47:43.080 What do I do?

01:47:43.780 Well, I'm taken, baby.

01:47:44.860 So sorry, not going to work.

01:47:46.200 You know, but I'm hearing this a lot from young women of, you know, who are good standing

01:47:51.440 and actually cling to conservative values that guys aren't stepping up.

01:47:57.360 Well, that makes perfect sense.

01:47:58.420 Why would guys step up?

01:47:59.280 They have a free field of sex available to them whenever they want in any place from

01:48:03.640 any woman, basically.

01:48:04.740 What is the actual?

01:48:05.800 Well, also, the consequences.

01:48:07.060 I agree with you.

01:48:08.720 The consequences of the Me Too movement.

01:48:09.000 The thing that we're picking on with that lady is that she's promulgating that as a standard. 1.00

01:48:11.960 Yeah, that's one element.

01:48:13.040 And then also the consequences of the Me Too movement, which I was just talking about

01:48:15.480 yesterday, is men are scared to even approach a woman and ask her on a date, to compliment

01:48:18.720 her, to tell her that she's beautiful.

01:48:20.140 These natural things that were happening between men and women have now been cast as perverse.

01:48:24.100 The perverse stuff is not considered perverse, so being naked online is totally fine.

01:48:28.180 But then a man just being allowed to go up to a girl and say, you look beautiful, or

01:48:33.500 talk to her, and women are suffering because they're like, why aren't men stepping up to 1.00

01:48:36.880 the plate?

01:48:37.160 Well, because they're terrified.

01:48:38.080 They're terrified because they hold a door and a feminist screams at them and says, 1.00

01:48:41.940 I can do it all by myself.

01:48:43.040 And you're saying, I'm not my people in the week.

01:48:43.360 Oh, God, that idea.

01:48:43.840 You used to happen to me all the time.

01:48:45.040 I never cared.

01:48:45.520 There's a cultural sickness. 0.68

01:48:49.240 Or if they try to initiate, you know, if they try to flirt with a woman or something, they're

01:48:53.180 afraid they're accused of sexual harassment.

01:48:54.300 Yeah, you're waiting for sexual harassment.

01:48:55.020 Yes.

01:48:55.400 If I could, just to give some practical advice, well, I'm not really equipped to give practical

01:48:59.920 advice.

01:49:00.160 I haven't been on the dating scene in over a decade, but she brought up the dating apps.

01:49:03.480 And I think that a lot of these dating apps, from the little I know about them, many

01:49:07.760 of these dating apps, probably most of them are pretty bad because they're really just

01:49:10.600 hookup apps.

01:49:11.260 And the people that use them aren't interested in having relationships.

01:49:13.560 But if you can find, I think there are still some apps and sites out there, dating sites,

01:49:17.660 where people tend to go there because they're interested in actually having a relationship.

01:49:22.480 And they are, really, it's a, even if they don't put it this way, it's more of a courtship

01:49:26.300 site.

01:49:27.120 And so I think it's, that's a very practical tool that people these days should use.

01:49:32.860 And really, you know, I think for a lot of people, they're like, if I don't have that,

01:49:35.840 if I don't have the app or the website, then how am I supposed to move?

01:49:37.900 You know, the other thing is, you do have to make friends.

01:49:40.480 If you're a single person, you do have to make friends with people who are married.

01:49:43.900 Because if you ask a group of married friends, if they have somebody for you, very often

01:49:48.120 they will have some.

01:49:48.740 Traditional matchmaking.

01:49:49.540 A hundred percent.

01:49:49.980 Go backwards.

01:49:50.740 And they love doing it.

01:49:52.280 Honestly, this is the way, in the Orthodox community, the way that it happens is basically

01:49:55.160 you have a single person and you invite them over for Shabbat with a bunch of other people

01:49:58.280 and the person will say, I'm single.

01:49:59.400 And literally the first question all the married couples ask is, okay, what are you looking

01:50:02.240 for?

01:50:02.520 Like, we'll immediately start what we call the shidduch conversation, right? 1.00

01:50:05.700 We'll start talking with them, what they're looking for.

01:50:07.680 And then we all started like racking our memories for like, okay, who's still available?

01:50:10.480 Who's, who's, and that's actually.

01:50:11.740 What does that mean?

01:50:12.160 What conversation?

01:50:13.140 It's called shidduch. 1.00

01:50:14.200 It's a shidduch. 1.00

01:50:15.000 That's like the Hebrew term for, for fix-ups.

01:50:17.800 Okay.

01:50:18.080 Right?

01:50:18.260 So you start having the shidduch conversation. 1.00

01:50:19.960 This is stuff that like, I don't know a couple that hasn't fixed up other couples in the

01:50:23.540 Jewish community.

01:50:24.220 Especially, yeah.

01:50:24.880 I remember the woman I introduced you to that I used to nanny for.

01:50:27.400 It was Orthodox Jewish family in New York.

01:50:29.060 Like, and they were all like, ah, I love you.

01:50:32.160 But anyways, she was a matchmaker. 1.00

01:50:34.020 Yeah.

01:50:34.280 Yeah.

01:50:34.420 She was a matchmaker. 1.00

01:50:35.080 And it works.

01:50:36.180 It actually works.

01:50:37.440 100%.

01:50:37.760 I mean, if you watch, so I rarely recommend shows on Netflix, but I did do a YouTube video

01:50:42.440 about a show called Jewish Matchmaking, which is on Netflix.

01:50:44.780 And the lady who does it is what they call a shadchan. 1.00

01:50:48.380 She's a full-time matchmaker. 1.00

01:50:50.660 And it's an Orthodox lady.

01:50:51.960 So what she says is actually pretty good advice.

01:50:54.500 I mean, she's actually like having people date for values.

01:50:57.240 She tells them that they really should stay chaste, that they should try to actually get 0.92

01:51:00.620 to know one another and determine whether they're into, you know, something maritally

01:51:04.200 related.

01:51:05.040 And, you know, that, but the broader question is, I see this in my community.

01:51:09.000 I don't know if you guys see this also.

01:51:09.900 There is a wild imbalance between the number of girls who want to get married, which actually 1.00

01:51:12.980 in many, in our community is larger, the number of guys, because there's an age

01:51:16.340 gap also.

01:51:17.280 So what's happening is that guys can marry up to a time like they're 30, but girls by the

01:51:21.180 time in our community, they're like 25 or already starting to get on like,

01:51:24.380 like the, the, like you're on the older scale of getting married in our community.

01:51:27.280 And that's, that's a real problem.

01:51:29.320 And so the only way to fix that is by going back to, I know old fashioned words are chastity.

01:51:34.220 It's the only way to make it go back.

01:51:35.760 Because again, the old bargain was that yes, you would have sex within the confines of marriage.

01:51:40.060 And it was a real draw, you know, it was a real selling point.

01:51:42.200 It was like, it was like, if you would like access to this thing that will, you know,

01:51:45.520 give you extraordinary bliss and pleasure and also comes along with a family, then you're

01:51:49.000 going to have to get married for it. 1.00

01:51:50.000 And then women were like, what if we just have sex randomly? 1.00

01:51:52.180 And guys were like, okay, it sounds amazing.

01:51:53.480 Like, and then women were like, well, but where did all of you go? 1.00

01:51:56.820 Why exactly, why, where did all the men go?

01:51:59.520 To the lady next door. 1.00

01:52:00.500 That's where all the men went.

01:52:01.440 I mean, like, this is, you know, sometimes people will, before dating apps, they would

01:52:05.200 go to bars or they'd go to whatever, you know, join, join the softball league or something.

01:52:09.840 I don't know.

01:52:10.220 Probably not going to find a lot of men in the softball league, but the, that's fine.

01:52:13.860 You can meet people there.

01:52:14.640 However, my friends who I've kind of helped guide to different little romances and things,

01:52:20.340 it's, it's not when you go to a common interest group.

01:52:22.920 It's when you go to a common values group.

01:52:24.560 Correct.

01:52:24.980 And it could be political.

01:52:26.200 It could be religious.

01:52:27.020 It's better.

01:52:27.820 But that's going to be much, much more effective because the guy you see at the bar, you have,

01:52:32.100 maybe, maybe he's a good guy, but you just have no way of knowing that.

01:52:34.700 The guy you go to the sports league.

01:52:35.980 You're never going to meet the girl you want in the bar.

01:52:37.920 Yeah.

01:52:38.180 Also.

01:52:38.460 It's rare.

01:52:39.060 It's rare.

01:52:39.420 Not to sound like a self-help book, but, but, you know, there's some basic things here.

01:52:44.380 Like you have to work on your, on yourself.

01:52:45.900 I mean, that, that's, that's the only thing you have direct control over right now.

01:52:48.920 If you're single and you want to meet someone, you have, you have direct control.

01:52:52.040 You can't force anyone to be interested in you, but the only thing you can directly control

01:52:55.220 is yourself.

01:52:55.760 So, you know, very often when I talk to single people, whether man or woman, and they're,

01:53:00.720 they have complaints like this and even, you know, not to be rude, but even just like

01:53:04.320 looking at them, I can think, well, there, there are some things you could, you could dress

01:53:07.600 better.

01:53:07.960 You can go to the gym.

01:53:08.760 You can work out.

01:53:09.420 You can work on your appearance.

01:53:10.380 Things like appearance that really does matter.

01:53:12.640 That's what's going to initially draw you to someone, uh, and draw people to you.

01:53:16.540 So like basic things like that.

01:53:19.220 And I think, um, and also to, to be virtuous.

01:53:21.960 I mean, this is where, where, where do you, where are you?

01:53:24.320 Where in, in location?

01:53:26.200 Are you in a church?

01:53:27.220 Are you in a temple?

01:53:28.060 Are you in the places where you're going to meet the guy or the girl who's doing the

01:53:31.620 same things that you're doing?

01:53:32.360 Cause if you're, if you're doing, listen, back in my, I was an atheist for 10 years, you

01:53:35.740 know, and some of my single days and I was, did a little blow.

01:53:38.660 Did a little, no, listen here, I ate some dogs and did some blow and hung out with Larry

01:53:42.120 S.

01:53:42.320 Blair.

01:53:42.460 Like I, I wasn't like going down the Obama path, but I, you know, when I was, I'd hope

01:53:47.040 not, when I was either in my mind or in real life and with him, maybe it was both.

01:53:51.500 But, but I, you know, when I, when I would date gals back in my single days, I was like

01:53:57.160 kind of a degenerate, you know, I was kind of a derelict.

01:53:59.440 Like I was not at the appropriate degree of virtue to which I could even expect to, you

01:54:04.780 know, other than through a solely unmerited grace to, to end up with a virtuous lady like

01:54:10.120 sweet little Elisa.

01:54:10.900 So like you can work on yourself in that way too, to be the kind of person who is even

01:54:15.900 remotely deserving of, of the kind of woman you want to marry.

01:54:18.960 Yeah. 0.69

01:54:19.060 But it's more important to just be hot and be hot and, and look smacked. 0.58

01:54:22.780 You got to look smacked.

01:54:23.420 I feel bad because I, I feel like I have a marriage, an exemplary marriage.

01:54:27.020 I can tell people about being married, but we did everything wrong.

01:54:30.620 You know, I picked my wife up hitchhiking, you know, every single thing wrong. 0.94

01:54:34.960 Why'd you get in the car?

01:54:37.640 That's the crazy part, not you.

01:54:39.340 Her.

01:54:39.860 What in the world?

01:54:40.840 Well, it's still, it's still her. 0.76

01:54:42.300 I don't understand it, but still I like, I don't know how to meet people because I did

01:54:46.700 everything wrong.

01:54:47.380 Hitchhiking.

01:54:47.660 Hitchhiking, that's the way to do it.

01:54:49.540 That's the answer to your question.

01:54:50.880 Hitchhiking.

01:54:51.120 This is a question.

01:54:53.340 Is there a free link?

01:54:54.280 Go stand out, get that thumb ready to go.

01:54:56.700 Works every time.

01:54:57.780 This is a question for everyone.

01:54:58.960 Thoughts about evolution.

01:55:00.660 I think that other animals probably evolved, but I have a hard time believing that animals

01:55:05.000 without human souls birth a human with a human soul.

01:55:09.840 So let's see how lib everybody is here.

01:55:11.500 Do you all believe in that Darwinian nonsense?

01:55:15.320 Yes.

01:55:15.720 I mean, like, in which sense?

01:55:18.640 That's a good question.

01:55:20.000 Because they're a bunch of sort of versions of Darwin that are competing with one another.

01:55:25.440 The classical Darwinian sense is not correct.

01:55:27.640 There is no smooth scale of evolution that where over time, punctuated equilibrium is

01:55:32.880 the way that evolution really works, where there's sort of like random explosions that

01:55:35.580 you can't really explain as to evolution, where it's basically stable for a long time,

01:55:39.820 and then bam, all of a sudden, huge variety of new species.

01:55:43.140 And then it kind of winnows, and then bam, huge variety of new species and great advances.

01:55:47.240 And, you know, to me, like, one of the things that Stephen Meyer talks about this a lot is

01:55:53.140 that there's all this DNA that's kind of pre-existing the explosion, and then the explosion happens

01:55:57.980 and suddenly it gets activated.

01:55:59.700 And so you wonder, why is all that stuff there in the first?

01:56:01.400 Like, God can use whatever mechanism he wants to make a human being.

01:56:03.500 I'm always confused by this idea that God must have, the only way this would have happened

01:56:06.920 is if God was like a, you know, was a potter, and he just went and he, like, made clay,

01:56:10.280 and that's how he did it.

01:56:11.140 Like, no, maybe that's how you would do it, but God can do it however he damn well pleases.

01:56:15.280 And as far as when the soul adheres, the answer would be when the soul adheres.

01:56:21.140 I mean, I don't have, like, a straight answer on that.

01:56:22.380 That's sort of what C.S. Lewis said, was that there was some, maybe there was some kind

01:56:25.900 of animal thing, but at a certain point, God touched some baboon, and that baboon

01:56:30.500 became Adam.

01:56:31.260 I mean, that's why I've never quite seen this as a great spiritual problem like a lot

01:56:35.840 of people do, I think.

01:56:36.720 I mean, to Ben's point, we know that God could create however he wants to create.

01:56:41.100 We already know that God creates gradually.

01:56:42.960 That's how he chooses to do it.

01:56:43.800 I mean, that's how he creates every individual person.

01:56:45.300 Every person starts, you know, in the womb as a microscopic human being and then grows

01:56:50.820 from there.

01:56:51.500 Initially, it's unrecognizable as a human, becomes more recognizable over time, but is

01:56:55.020 always a human.

01:56:55.680 So we know that God creates gradually, and we also know that, you know, I mean, what is evolution?

01:57:00.360 It's just genetic traits inherited over time and small changes over time that build.

01:57:05.960 We know this kind of thing happens, and we've observed it even through the course of human

01:57:08.720 civilization.

01:57:09.300 You can look at, like, not human, this is, well, we could look at, you know, a dog, domesticated

01:57:14.320 dogs.

01:57:14.820 Every dog is descended from wolves, and we know this, you know.

01:57:18.560 And so, you know, the golden retriever is, if you go back far enough, great, great, you

01:57:23.620 know, times a hundred grandfather is a wolf.

01:57:26.780 So we know that we've actually seen this, we've observed this in human civilization happening.

01:57:32.000 So it doesn't challenge my faith at all.

01:57:33.560 It might be a little tougher.

01:57:34.720 The key issue is randomness. 0.98

01:57:37.600 This is the stupid part of evolution, because the randomness or order of a system is outside 0.98

01:57:42.940 the system. 0.95

01:57:43.380 So if you're inside the system, you can't tell whether it's random or ordered except

01:57:47.100 by clues.

01:57:47.900 You can deduce it.

01:57:49.020 And the idea that this is random is absurd.

01:57:51.800 And all of the arguments for atheism from evolution are about the randomness.

01:57:56.980 They're not about the evolution.

01:57:57.840 That's a good point.

01:57:58.360 And it is not, you know, we are not in a random universe.

01:58:00.500 I mean, the larger question for me, I definitely believe in evolution, but the larger question

01:58:03.380 for me is, like, devolving, which I think is actually happening right now.

01:58:06.880 Like, I'm watching people that are, like, going back to Homo sapiens and Australopithecuses,

01:58:10.380 screaming in the streets and acting like bambooms. 0.68

01:58:13.020 So I mean, I'm actually terrified of, like, devolving.

01:58:17.220 You know, I might be the, I think I might be the most, like, Darwin skeptical then, perhaps.

01:58:22.280 There's a good essay by David Galerinter, who's, you know, genius polymath, who put it

01:58:28.260 in the Claremont Review of Books, and he said it's called Giving Up Darwin.

01:58:31.640 And he did it.

01:58:32.160 He's a mathematician, and he said he just now finds Darwin to be mathematically untenable.

01:58:36.940 There wasn't enough time.

01:58:37.780 It's a really interesting article.

01:58:38.600 And it's a good article, and it's based on another book by David Berlinski called The

01:58:42.260 Deniable Darwin, I think it's called.

01:58:44.160 And what David Galerinter says is, look, I find evolution to be a beautiful theory.

01:58:49.180 It pains me to give it up, actually.

01:58:51.140 And I don't blame Darwin, because there have just been advances in mathematics that we

01:58:55.020 have now that we, you know, Darwin wouldn't have had available to him.

01:58:58.400 So I remain, and also...

01:59:00.260 Directed evolution, though.

01:59:01.260 Directed evolution, or even the kind of resuscitation of Lamarck, who had his own version of evolution,

01:59:06.560 and then it kind of went away for a while, and then it's come back through epigenetics

01:59:09.860 and the notion of inherited, acquired traits through life.

01:59:13.080 I basically don't care about evolution.

01:59:15.300 If I found out tomorrow that it's all completely bunk, I wouldn't be surprised at all, and I

01:59:18.560 wouldn't care.

01:59:19.300 The one part I think that is...

01:59:20.840 And if I found out it were true, like, I guess it would be fine.

01:59:23.100 The one part that I think is spiritually significant is something that Pope Pius XII insisted on

01:59:28.180 in Umani Janaris, which is, we have to be descended from a common ancestor.

01:59:33.020 We human beings have to be descended from a literal Adam and a literal Eve, whatever their

01:59:37.720 names were, wherever they were, however they looked.

01:59:41.040 Because if that is not the case, then things like human solidarity, then things like, well,

01:59:48.140 then so many aspects that go along with political life and that have theological bases,

01:59:52.420 those kind of go away, as do issues of original sin and salvation history.

01:59:58.800 And so I do kind of stick on that point of a common...

02:00:02.060 Monogenesis is what it's called.

02:00:02.940 It's become increasingly accepted, though.

02:00:04.360 A lot of scientists...

02:00:05.460 Also, far from me to contradict Catholicism, but I will stand with Aquinas, which is,

02:00:15.460 if science and the Bible contradict, one of them is wrong.

02:00:19.080 You're interpreting one of them wrong.

02:00:20.600 And so the basic, like if I found out tomorrow that actually humanity had evolved separately,

02:00:26.960 but the same in multiple different places at the same time and then crossed streams at

02:00:31.140 some point, would that significantly bother me?

02:00:33.960 No, because the sin that exists in every human heart existed in all those human hearts

02:00:37.380 whenever those human hearts were created.

02:00:38.840 And it certainly wouldn't suck the truth of the depth out of Genesis, which is probably

02:00:42.580 the deepest...

02:00:42.980 But wouldn't it, at the very least, complicate the choice of Adam?

02:00:48.680 In Adam, we all sinned.

02:00:50.640 Well, I mean, but that depends on how you're reading the Adam and Eve story.

02:00:54.400 So if you read that absolutely literally, that there was one man and one woman, and they

02:00:57.360 were in a garden, and then they ate a piece of fruit, and then God cast them out of this

02:01:00.960 garden for which a location is given, and all of this, then sure.

02:01:05.240 But if you read it the way that I think it is meant to be read, which is the greatest

02:01:09.280 piece of literature in human history, which is meant to embed the most fundamental messages

02:01:15.240 in all of human history.

02:01:16.160 The first several chapters of Genesis are like the most fundamental stuff ever written

02:01:18.780 by anybody ever, because God wrote them.

02:01:21.060 And so what that means is that, by the way, I read Cain and Abel the same way.

02:01:24.340 I read the stories of Noah the same way.

02:01:25.900 But could...

02:01:26.740 Adam can be a genre of thing.

02:01:29.840 But if there were lots of...

02:01:30.700 Adam and Eve stories, right?

02:01:31.460 I mean, there's chapter one and chapter two.

02:01:33.060 They're not the same.

02:01:33.500 But if there were lots of different Adams who all just coincidentally happened to sin,

02:01:38.920 does that...

02:01:39.640 It's not coincidentally.

02:01:40.160 That's buried in human nature.

02:01:41.140 The story of Adam and Eve is that human beings attempt to supplant their logic for God's 0.50

02:01:44.960 logic and are kicked out of the garden because of God.

02:01:46.660 But then did Adam...

02:01:47.780 And every human being recapitulates that journey throughout the course of their life.

02:01:51.880 Did Adam and Eve not have the ability to obey God and not to disobey God?

02:01:55.900 They had the ability to obey God, but the temptation of every human is to supplant his own logic

02:02:01.220 for God's logic, which is why no one ends up in the garden.

02:02:04.940 Because there's no...

02:02:05.580 Because in the end, human beings are fundamentally...

02:02:07.500 Without an act of complete faith, human beings are fundamentally incapable of identifying

02:02:11.580 completely with God's will because God's...

02:02:13.240 But what Adam was able to before he sinned, wasn't he?

02:02:15.860 I mean, that's the Christian understanding.

02:02:17.600 Without asking questions.

02:02:18.860 But then he starts asking questions and pretty soon, you know, things go on.

02:02:21.880 You know, it's entirely possible that there was an Adam and Eve, but if there wasn't,

02:02:25.200 the Bible is still...

02:02:26.140 This is what I'm saying.

02:02:26.900 Literally.

02:02:27.120 Like, I don't know why I would take the risky situation.

02:02:29.020 I'm not going to take the risky position of...

02:02:31.080 I know exactly how everything went down.

02:02:32.300 The one thing I do know is that the Bible remains true no matter how it went down.

02:02:34.640 It means so incredibly true.

02:02:36.600 Yeah.

02:02:37.140 Well, on that cliffhanger...

02:02:39.600 On the cliffhanger of the origin of...

02:02:41.460 We did get a chance to talk about...

02:02:43.600 Oh, that's what time we have.

02:02:44.740 What topic did you want?

02:02:45.680 I think that's it, guys.

02:02:46.740 Too bad.

02:02:47.380 But we'll be sure to get to it next time.

02:02:48.920 And we'll sit around here talking about it after.

02:02:50.600 We will.

02:02:51.080 Can't wait to do it.

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Daily Wire Backstage： America’s Identity Crisis

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