The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： Don’t Call It A Recession

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's Michael Knowles.

00:00:01.540 You're about to listen to Daily Wire Backstage

00:00:03.660 featuring me, Jeremy Boring, Ben Shapiro,

00:00:06.140 Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan.

00:00:07.800 We're going to be talking about the trans recession.

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00:00:43.140 Hello and welcome to Daily Wire Backstage.

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00:01:07.940 Guys, the last time we were together,

00:01:10.060 there were throngs of adoring fans.

00:01:13.080 They cheered at everything that we said.

00:01:15.540 They laughed at all of our jokes.

00:01:18.260 Candice was there.

00:01:19.520 Dennis Prager was there.

00:01:20.760 Jordan Peterson was there.

00:01:21.780 Now we can't even get Ben Shapiro

00:01:23.000 to actually show up.

00:01:26.560 I'm just saying,

00:01:27.300 it's a little anticlimactic.

00:01:28.480 It's a bit of a letdown.

00:01:30.740 So the big news today, obviously,

00:01:32.740 is that the United States

00:01:33.520 is absolutely not,

00:01:35.540 in no way, shape, or form,

00:01:38.220 entering into a recession.

00:01:39.880 The very people who created

00:01:41.480 the definition of recession

00:01:43.020 have now changed

00:01:44.340 the definition of recession.

00:01:45.760 You know, it's actually

00:01:46.400 a very modern word.

00:01:47.320 In the beginning of the 20th century,

00:01:48.680 even as recently

00:01:49.440 as the early 20th century,

00:01:51.560 there was no such concept

00:01:52.720 as an economic recession.

00:01:54.700 And if you look at the average age

00:01:56.060 of our political class now,

00:01:57.700 it's likely that the actual human beings

00:02:00.100 who came up with the term itself

00:02:01.860 are now saying,

00:02:02.700 no, absolutely nothing to see here.

00:02:04.740 And yet, obviously,

00:02:06.040 if you aren't living in Iraq

00:02:07.640 and if you don't make

00:02:08.220 as much money as I do,

00:02:09.380 you're probably experiencing

00:02:10.700 an increase in prices.

00:02:13.240 You know, milk must be up to,

00:02:14.480 like, thousands.

00:02:16.100 A little less.

00:02:19.120 Milk has gone way up.

00:02:20.560 You know, oil has more than doubled.

00:02:23.720 You know, people are really feeling this.

00:02:26.060 And apparently,

00:02:27.200 Joe Biden's re-election,

00:02:28.900 the Democrats' election position

00:02:31.900 is pay no attention

00:02:33.880 to the absolute horrors of your life.

00:02:36.080 Things are going just fine.

00:02:37.600 You know, the one thing I have to say

00:02:38.580 is we all know about

00:02:39.260 the Great Depression,

00:02:40.120 but the word depression was invented

00:02:41.440 to keep from saying

00:02:42.480 it's a bust or a crash.

00:02:44.500 So they do this all the time.

00:02:45.820 And I mean, it's just...

00:02:46.660 And they did say,

00:02:48.380 they actually used the word.

00:02:50.120 While we're all joking about

00:02:51.260 we're living in an age

00:02:52.340 where we can't say what a woman is,

00:02:53.640 where we can't say what a baby is,

00:02:55.000 where we can't say any of that,

00:02:55.980 they actually said,

00:02:56.740 no, it's not a recession.

00:02:58.100 It's a transition.

00:02:59.380 So they're actually transiting

00:03:00.740 our economy.

00:03:02.120 And they think that's going to work.

00:03:03.800 But, you know,

00:03:04.220 I did suggest to Walsh

00:03:06.080 before the show started

00:03:06.760 that he make his next film

00:03:07.780 should be called

00:03:08.280 What is a Recession?

00:03:09.460 So he's more on talking to

00:03:10.820 have economists

00:03:11.980 throw you out of rooms.

00:03:12.900 If only we could afford to make it.

00:03:14.180 We have more dollars than ever

00:03:16.440 and they're worth less

00:03:17.600 than they've ever afforded before.

00:03:18.320 We're in just such

00:03:19.280 an acceleration loop, though.

00:03:20.960 It's worth pointing out

00:03:22.020 that the director

00:03:23.600 of the National Economic Council

00:03:24.760 at the White House,

00:03:25.300 Brian Deese,

00:03:26.020 he was the one

00:03:26.540 who's been all over TV.

00:03:27.840 He's been all over

00:03:28.800 at the White House saying,

00:03:30.440 this is not the economic,

00:03:32.300 technical definition

00:03:33.300 of a recession.

00:03:34.300 It is not two consecutive quarters

00:03:36.000 of negative GDP growth.

00:03:37.180 In 2008,

00:03:39.480 Brian Deese himself

00:03:40.860 said almost verbatim

00:03:42.240 that the technical definition

00:03:44.100 of economists

00:03:44.960 of a recession

00:03:45.720 is two consecutive quarters

00:03:47.200 of negative GDP.

00:03:47.740 But this transition thing

00:03:49.140 is kind of scary

00:03:49.800 because what it means

00:03:50.860 is they have this vision

00:03:51.800 that by driving everybody

00:03:52.940 into poverty

00:03:53.660 and the gas prices up,

00:03:55.140 we're going to transition

00:03:56.180 into this clean,

00:03:57.760 new energy world

00:03:58.580 actually doesn't exist.

00:04:00.100 They have no technology

00:04:00.940 to do this.

00:04:01.580 They could be researching it.

00:04:03.040 They could be creating it.

00:04:04.020 But instead,

00:04:04.440 they're just telling us

00:04:05.120 it's going to happen.

00:04:05.700 For sure,

00:04:06.180 one of the great untold stories

00:04:07.380 is just how many people

00:04:08.360 are expected to die

00:04:09.300 this winter from starvation

00:04:12.340 because of the impact

00:04:14.160 of these policies,

00:04:14.920 the impact of the war

00:04:15.800 that's happening in Europe.

00:04:17.600 You hear numbers

00:04:18.640 that range all the way

00:04:19.860 up to almost a billion people.

00:04:21.680 Probably it is not the case

00:04:22.900 that a billion people will die.

00:04:24.320 It's certainly the case

00:04:25.160 that many millions of people

00:04:26.120 are going to die,

00:04:26.920 all in service of virtue.

00:04:28.880 That's the thing

00:04:29.300 that's the most interesting

00:04:30.000 to me about our culture today

00:04:32.000 is that the elite

00:04:33.460 are willing to subject

00:04:34.600 almost any level of pain

00:04:36.680 including death

00:04:38.040 on people

00:04:39.080 all in the name

00:04:40.540 of looking good,

00:04:41.540 of having the right ideas,

00:04:42.860 of being perceived to have.

00:04:43.400 It's one of the great virtue,

00:04:44.540 right?

00:04:44.760 A fake virtue.

00:04:45.400 No, but it's one of the proofs

00:04:47.300 of original sin, I think.

00:04:48.860 The people,

00:04:49.560 this is,

00:04:50.020 everybody says,

00:04:50.580 oh, you know,

00:04:50.880 the great driver is sex,

00:04:52.400 the great driver is money.

00:04:53.880 Virtue is one of the greatest drivers,

00:04:55.680 pretend virtue is one of the greatest drivers

00:04:57.180 of human motivation.

00:04:58.360 You will be like God.

00:04:59.780 Yeah.

00:05:00.060 That's the great problem

00:05:01.360 is that the people

00:05:01.900 that are in charge

00:05:02.380 of fixing the problems

00:05:03.000 don't see them as problems.

00:05:04.260 They are opportunities

00:05:05.900 and that's because,

00:05:07.040 well,

00:05:07.380 as we talked about,

00:05:08.560 now this is an opportunity

00:05:09.500 to switch over

00:05:10.060 to green energy

00:05:11.420 but also,

00:05:12.500 they see just humanity,

00:05:15.440 the existence of humanity

00:05:16.580 as a problem.

00:05:17.460 Yeah.

00:05:18.720 And so,

00:05:19.480 mass starvation

00:05:20.460 is not really a bug.

00:05:23.740 It's a feature

00:05:24.360 of their policies.

00:05:25.880 You also see

00:05:26.480 the inherent contradictions

00:05:27.760 in all of their beliefs,

00:05:29.620 right?

00:05:29.800 Because on one hand,

00:05:31.780 they print money

00:05:32.600 at a rate

00:05:33.380 never imagined

00:05:34.960 in all of human history.

00:05:35.980 They shut down the world.

00:05:36.840 They do all the things

00:05:37.440 that they did

00:05:37.980 over the first two years

00:05:39.620 of the worst pandemic

00:05:41.140 in human history.

00:05:44.620 Then they're shocked

00:05:45.520 that there's inflation.

00:05:46.800 But then they realize

00:05:47.680 that that inflation

00:05:48.420 is actually useful

00:05:49.400 to the government.

00:05:50.100 It's essentially a tax

00:05:51.400 on the people.

00:05:52.640 It's good.

00:05:53.000 The more debt you have,

00:05:54.320 the better inflation

00:05:54.880 is for you

00:05:55.440 and no one's got debt

00:05:56.380 like the United States government.

00:05:57.440 But then there are other instruments

00:06:00.040 of the government

00:06:00.620 who've now gone full bore

00:06:02.460 to stop the inflation.

00:06:03.780 So on one hand,

00:06:04.440 you've got the federal government

00:06:06.140 probably benefiting

00:06:07.260 from the inflation.

00:06:07.940 On the other hand,

00:06:08.560 you've got the Fed

00:06:09.240 ratcheting up interest rates

00:06:11.660 at a rate,

00:06:12.360 at a velocity

00:06:13.200 that we've probably

00:06:13.860 never experienced.

00:06:14.920 Another 0.75 points yesterday,

00:06:18.720 which is the highest

00:06:20.100 it's basically ever gone up

00:06:21.400 except that they had just done it

00:06:22.540 the previous time

00:06:23.740 that the Fed met.

00:06:24.500 So it winds up creating

00:06:26.260 this almost death spiral

00:06:27.340 on the economy

00:06:28.020 that there isn't even

00:06:29.420 a unified theory

00:06:30.960 of what they should be doing

00:06:31.980 right now.

00:06:32.600 Should the government

00:06:33.040 be in favor of this inflation?

00:06:34.720 Should it be taking

00:06:35.240 radical measures

00:06:35.940 to stop the inflation?

00:06:37.220 The way you stop inflation

00:06:38.160 is by causing a recession.

00:06:39.440 I mean, Reagan did it.

00:06:40.200 This is the way,

00:06:40.780 this is one of the things

00:06:41.460 you have to do.

00:06:41.980 Well, yeah, the Fed

00:06:42.400 is trying to stop the inflation.

00:06:43.740 But at the same time,

00:06:45.560 we're going into an election.

00:06:46.580 I don't want to,

00:06:47.440 spoiler alert,

00:06:48.680 they're going to start

00:06:49.840 talking more and more

00:06:50.640 about giving us all

00:06:51.400 another bailout

00:06:52.200 between now and the election

00:06:53.500 because the Dems

00:06:54.060 have nothing else to run on.

00:06:55.200 So yes, the way that you stop,

00:06:56.680 if your goal is to stop

00:06:57.860 the inflation,

00:06:59.080 what the Fed is doing

00:06:59.880 is accurate.

00:07:00.620 But what the Dems

00:07:03.000 in Congress and Biden

00:07:03.860 are about to do

00:07:04.420 is the opposite.

00:07:05.220 If you want to cancel

00:07:06.100 student debt, for example,

00:07:07.160 if you want to give out

00:07:07.720 trillions of dollars

00:07:08.640 of new money,

00:07:09.860 that causes the inflation.

00:07:11.540 Don't forget, though,

00:07:12.120 they've already given us

00:07:13.280 an election bailout

00:07:14.580 and it's specifically

00:07:15.960 for the election.

00:07:16.740 That was the major release

00:07:18.180 from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve

00:07:19.820 that no one is talking about.

00:07:21.340 But the gas prices

00:07:22.200 would be even higher right now

00:07:23.680 except Joe Biden

00:07:24.640 is releasing

00:07:25.080 a million barrels a day.

00:07:26.360 He announced it back

00:07:27.320 in, what was it,

00:07:27.900 April or May.

00:07:28.840 Six months of release

00:07:29.860 takes you right up

00:07:30.820 to the midterm elections.

00:07:31.960 So what's going to happen

00:07:32.640 after the midterms?

00:07:33.380 The prices are going

00:07:33.940 to get even worse.

00:07:34.580 Yeah, that's right.

00:07:35.380 What's playing out right now

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00:08:47.500 Yeah, so you're absolutely right.

00:08:48.660 I mean, they're already

00:08:49.900 giving away a million barrels

00:08:52.420 of oil a day.

00:08:54.840 That gets them

00:08:55.260 right through the election.

00:08:56.000 The funny thing is

00:08:56.560 they're so bad at their jobs.

00:08:57.680 Biden is such a bad spokesperson

00:08:58.820 for the government.

00:09:00.380 People don't even realize

00:09:01.240 they're doing it.

00:09:02.720 This huge giveaway

00:09:03.640 and he's getting

00:09:04.100 no political points for it.

00:09:05.220 Did you guys see that thing

00:09:06.040 where he didn't blink

00:09:06.780 for 40 seconds?

00:09:08.940 I'd only bothered you guys

00:09:10.100 because you weren't

00:09:10.540 taking cocaine,

00:09:11.320 but you're sniffing

00:09:13.500 up with that stuff.

00:09:14.520 I think we have the clip.

00:09:15.860 Oh, good.

00:09:16.120 Insurrection and pro-cop.

00:09:19.760 You can't be pro-insurrection

00:09:21.260 and pro-democracy.

00:09:22.480 You can't be pro-insurrection

00:09:24.040 and pro-American.

00:09:25.580 Donald Trump lacked

00:09:26.480 the courage to act.

00:09:28.420 The brave women and men

00:09:29.960 in blue all across this nation.

00:09:32.180 You should never forget that.

00:09:33.880 Dr. Feelgood's got to

00:09:34.920 dial it back.

00:09:35.680 Yeah.

00:09:36.300 That's a little...

00:09:37.180 We have to remember

00:09:37.600 the Democrat Party

00:09:38.640 tweeted that out.

00:09:39.640 They were so proud of it.

00:09:40.760 They thought that that's like

00:09:42.120 the kind of thing

00:09:42.520 that we need to see.

00:09:43.140 Ben, what do you think?

00:09:45.200 He's got lifeless eyes,

00:09:47.320 black eyes,

00:09:48.700 doll's eyes.

00:09:51.420 It's like we've got

00:09:53.120 Coraline for president here.

00:09:54.760 He's got the button eyes

00:09:55.780 instead of the human eyes.

00:09:57.280 And I don't know

00:09:58.620 what we're supposed to believe,

00:09:59.840 that this human

00:10:00.600 is in control.

00:10:01.500 I mean, he looks like

00:10:03.080 he put on the Dr. Doom eyes

00:10:04.800 from Who Framed Roger Rabbit

00:10:06.640 and then just kind of

00:10:07.740 trotted him out there.

00:10:08.900 He's going to get smushed flat

00:10:10.080 by a cartoon roller.

00:10:12.700 It's so bizarre to watch him.

00:10:14.740 But going back

00:10:15.460 to the economic discussion

00:10:16.520 for just one second there,

00:10:17.740 one of the things

00:10:18.380 that is worth noting,

00:10:19.480 and it's true on the environment,

00:10:20.300 it's true on the economy also,

00:10:21.480 is that when it comes

00:10:22.260 to policy here,

00:10:23.960 they basically just do

00:10:25.840 what they want to do

00:10:26.700 and then they have

00:10:27.240 to backfill the solution.

00:10:28.580 So there are things

00:10:29.280 they don't want you to do

00:10:30.160 and then there are things

00:10:30.740 that they don't mind you doing.

00:10:31.780 And if there are things

00:10:32.300 they don't mind you doing,

00:10:32.980 I mean, there are things

00:10:33.460 they kind of want you to do.

00:10:34.540 So during COVID, for example,

00:10:35.640 you couldn't take your kids

00:10:36.360 to playgrounds.

00:10:36.940 You couldn't go to your job.

00:10:37.840 You had to shut down

00:10:38.540 your business.

00:10:39.260 You had to shut down

00:10:40.080 all the schools.

00:10:40.920 These were all things

00:10:41.480 that were verboten.

00:10:42.180 But you were allowed

00:10:42.760 to protest in the streets

00:10:43.780 for George Floyd during COVID.

00:10:46.160 You couldn't go out in public

00:10:47.440 and you couldn't breathe

00:10:48.260 anywhere within remote.

00:10:50.080 I mean, Joe Biden

00:10:50.640 is literally today

00:10:51.580 saying that you should

00:10:52.280 still be wearing masks

00:10:53.140 in crowded places.

00:10:54.660 Meanwhile, when it comes

00:10:55.260 to monkeypox,

00:10:56.100 they won't even just say

00:10:56.780 stop the gay orgies, right?

00:10:57.880 Like they won't say these things

00:10:59.300 because there are certain things

00:11:00.360 that you're allowed to do

00:11:01.240 and that are apparently

00:11:01.840 good to do.

00:11:02.680 And then there are things

00:11:03.260 like, you know,

00:11:03.560 taking your kid to a playground

00:11:04.520 where if the health risk

00:11:05.820 is this big,

00:11:07.060 then you have to make sure

00:11:08.020 that you definitely,

00:11:09.080 definitely don't do that.

00:11:09.820 And it's the same thing

00:11:10.540 with the economy.

00:11:11.100 They're telling you

00:11:11.660 don't drive.

00:11:12.880 You know, it doesn't matter

00:11:13.780 that you have to get to work.

00:11:14.780 Make sure that you don't drive.

00:11:16.160 Make sure that you don't use

00:11:17.740 the air conditioner

00:11:19.140 during heat waves.

00:11:20.120 Make sure that you don't

00:11:20.900 use your heater

00:11:21.520 during when it gets really cold.

00:11:24.240 They just have a list

00:11:25.100 of activities

00:11:25.500 that they don't like you doing.

00:11:26.740 That's all this really is.

00:11:27.640 There are a bunch of activities

00:11:28.240 they don't like you doing.

00:11:29.160 And they'll use any excuse

00:11:30.120 to make you not do

00:11:30.980 those activities.

00:11:31.860 And then there's a list

00:11:32.580 of activities that are

00:11:33.280 the approved activities.

00:11:34.820 And these approved activities

00:11:35.700 all happen to be

00:11:36.500 on like the left-wing fun list.

00:11:38.420 It's like twerking

00:11:39.040 in the streets

00:11:39.580 at a protest

00:11:40.180 or making sure

00:11:41.000 to go to a bar

00:11:42.780 where no one knows

00:11:43.520 one another

00:11:43.900 and then have as much

00:11:44.840 promiscuous sex.

00:11:45.420 But don't call it

00:11:46.180 monkeypox, guys.

00:11:47.220 Because if you call it

00:11:47.820 monkeypox,

00:11:48.520 that might be stigmatizing

00:11:49.780 to people.

00:11:50.620 It's truly amazing.

00:11:52.060 And then when it comes

00:11:52.620 to the actual policy,

00:11:53.680 they have to backfill

00:11:54.360 policies to fix all of this.

00:11:55.920 So they wreck

00:11:56.380 all the businesses,

00:11:57.060 they wreck all the schools,

00:11:57.780 and then later they're like,

00:11:58.580 man, you know what?

00:11:59.480 Probably we should think

00:12:00.480 about what we can do

00:12:01.160 to fill in the gaps there.

00:12:02.240 They wreck the economy

00:12:03.100 with spending, right?

00:12:03.980 Spending is an approved activity.

00:12:05.360 We must spend

00:12:06.120 lots and lots of dollars.

00:12:07.380 But we must make sure

00:12:08.320 that we also shut down

00:12:09.100 your business

00:12:09.500 in case anybody

00:12:10.280 ever gets COVID.

00:12:11.720 And then they have to

00:12:12.420 backfill with the Federal Reserve.

00:12:14.100 So instead of seeing it

00:12:14.800 as sort of part and parcel

00:12:15.600 of a plan,

00:12:16.280 I think that the best way

00:12:17.020 to see a lot of

00:12:17.880 left-wing policy

00:12:18.540 is approved activities,

00:12:20.080 unapproved activities.

00:12:21.200 Approved activities

00:12:21.880 have bad consequences?

00:12:23.100 Well, we'll figure out

00:12:23.860 a way to use

00:12:24.640 our bureaucratic power

00:12:25.520 to sort of cram down

00:12:27.020 some sort of solution

00:12:28.420 that's not going

00:12:28.940 to work long-term.

00:12:30.040 I have no other way

00:12:30.900 of putting this together

00:12:31.580 because otherwise

00:12:32.080 it doesn't make

00:12:32.560 any sort of logical sense to me.

00:12:33.680 I think the one thing,

00:12:34.480 though, to avoid stigmatization,

00:12:36.140 we should call it

00:12:37.240 gay monkeypox

00:12:38.080 so we don't stigmatize

00:12:39.180 all the monkeys.

00:12:39.600 Yeah.

00:12:40.420 Some monkeys are straight.

00:12:42.120 I mean, not many.

00:12:43.420 No, they have to shut down.

00:12:44.940 They have to shut down

00:12:45.840 our churches

00:12:46.500 because they don't

00:12:47.040 like our churches.

00:12:47.800 Yeah.

00:12:48.100 But they can't shut down

00:12:48.940 the bathhouses

00:12:49.580 because those are

00:12:50.260 their churches

00:12:50.920 and those are sacred to them.

00:12:52.520 The other irony...

00:12:53.480 As are riots in the streets

00:12:55.720 surrounding...

00:12:55.820 Yes, that's their liturgy as well.

00:12:58.040 The other irony here

00:12:59.040 is that everyone has had COVID.

00:13:02.040 I think now

00:13:02.920 every single person in America

00:13:04.540 has had COVID

00:13:05.180 at least once,

00:13:06.080 maybe multiple times.

00:13:07.300 Whether they lock down,

00:13:08.380 whether they wore the mask,

00:13:09.300 whether they got 10 injections,

00:13:10.540 everyone gets COVID.

00:13:11.500 It's very, very transmissible.

00:13:14.460 Monkeypox is not transmissible.

00:13:16.200 It's very easy to shut down.

00:13:17.920 You don't need to lock down

00:13:18.940 the entire economy.

00:13:19.720 You don't need to lock down

00:13:20.500 much of anything

00:13:21.120 other than the bathhouses

00:13:22.380 and the fetish parties

00:13:23.280 and the orgies.

00:13:24.500 So you could do that

00:13:25.780 very easily

00:13:26.400 and yet we're being told

00:13:27.500 that this is now

00:13:28.500 a national health...

00:13:28.980 You just don't like

00:13:29.600 to have fun.

00:13:30.240 Yeah, that's right.

00:13:31.080 You don't like people...

00:13:31.760 Old wet blanket, Michael.

00:13:32.980 What's interesting about this

00:13:33.880 is during the worst

00:13:34.620 of the gay crisis,

00:13:35.940 the AIDS crisis,

00:13:37.300 I lived in New York

00:13:38.020 so you'd be talking to a guy

00:13:39.120 and he'd just die.

00:13:40.380 Everybody was dying.

00:13:41.240 The gay crisis

00:13:42.340 was denim on denim, right?

00:13:43.400 That's right.

00:13:46.940 Good night, everybody.

00:13:47.880 But you know,

00:13:48.580 yeah, that's right.

00:13:49.180 Just drive safely.

00:13:50.260 But one of the things was

00:13:51.200 everybody was yelling at Reagan.

00:13:52.880 They were screaming at Reagan,

00:13:54.320 close the bathhouses.

00:13:55.840 The gay people were saying this.

00:13:56.920 The gay people were saying,

00:13:57.820 what's wrong with you?

00:13:58.680 And I was saying,

00:13:59.600 well, why don't you just not go?

00:14:01.320 Why is Ronald Reagan's fault?

00:14:03.780 Or whoever they were yelling at.

00:14:06.960 Why was it his fault

00:14:08.040 that the bathhouses...

00:14:08.800 And this is an important distinction,

00:14:10.160 by the way.

00:14:10.640 But now they're saying

00:14:11.300 you can't even say

00:14:12.200 close the bathhouse.

00:14:13.380 It is an important distinction

00:14:14.320 because I know

00:14:15.760 homosexuals

00:14:17.400 who are monogamous

00:14:18.360 with one another.

00:14:18.720 Yes, yeah.

00:14:19.280 And they're the ones

00:14:20.040 who are most loudly,

00:14:21.100 just like we're talking about

00:14:22.060 in the 80s,

00:14:22.640 saying, no,

00:14:23.480 we actually do need

00:14:24.460 to shut down these orgies

00:14:25.520 because it isn't...

00:14:27.040 It is the case

00:14:28.140 that pretty much

00:14:29.000 only homosexuals

00:14:29.960 get monkeypox.

00:14:30.760 Anywhere from 95% to 98%

00:14:32.300 of the transmission

00:14:32.920 is among homosexuals

00:14:34.340 and secret homosexuals.

00:14:35.720 But it's not that

00:14:37.500 all homosexuals

00:14:38.600 are getting monkeypox.

00:14:39.780 It is specifically

00:14:40.600 promiscuous homosexuals

00:14:42.180 who are having lots of sex

00:14:43.100 with lots of different guys.

00:14:43.840 But it's also...

00:14:44.440 But it's basically

00:14:46.500 only homosexuals

00:14:47.400 who are going to orgies.

00:14:48.120 That's the other thing.

00:14:49.220 Well, all orgies...

00:14:50.080 Wait, wait, wait.

00:14:50.980 That's very disappointing.

00:14:52.820 In fairness,

00:14:53.680 the rest of us...

00:14:54.320 Exactly, that's the point.

00:14:56.640 I've got my dreams.

00:14:57.380 I know.

00:14:57.760 The message is,

00:14:58.800 well, it's not just about...

00:15:00.480 We're not targeting gay people.

00:15:01.700 It's just don't engage

00:15:02.760 in orgies

00:15:03.240 and that sort of thing.

00:15:04.180 But it is true

00:15:05.340 that predominantly

00:15:06.460 the people that are doing

00:15:07.520 these kinds of activities...

00:15:08.560 I mean, the people who are...

00:15:10.040 If you're having random sex

00:15:11.600 with 15 different people

00:15:12.860 in the course of a week,

00:15:13.940 that's generally not

00:15:15.860 straight people

00:15:16.320 who are doing that

00:15:17.120 in the first place.

00:15:17.360 No, it requires

00:15:18.480 exclusively men

00:15:20.380 to arrive at that...

00:15:21.600 There's no one to say no.

00:15:23.020 Because women have

00:15:23.900 a shred of sanity.

00:15:24.960 Women are not idiots.

00:15:25.900 I mean, like,

00:15:26.520 as a general rule,

00:15:28.060 women are not willing

00:15:28.860 to engage in random sex

00:15:30.080 with enormous numbers

00:15:31.120 of strangers,

00:15:31.640 whereas men

00:15:32.380 are pretty much willing

00:15:33.420 to screw anything

00:15:34.180 at any time.

00:15:35.360 And so, you know,

00:15:36.380 you take women out of the...

00:15:37.480 Women were always

00:15:38.320 the sort of check

00:15:39.240 on male insanity.

00:15:40.740 You take the women

00:15:41.240 out of the picture,

00:15:41.980 and again,

00:15:42.400 that has nothing to do

00:15:42.820 with straight,

00:15:43.720 gay,

00:15:44.160 or anything else.

00:15:45.020 Men, you know,

00:15:46.000 we tend to be rather

00:15:47.460 aggressive in this area,

00:15:48.420 like, just as a general rule.

00:15:49.620 But it's also,

00:15:50.440 you know,

00:15:50.740 you brought up AIDS,

00:15:51.980 and one thing we're hearing

00:15:53.160 from the left

00:15:53.840 is that they are

00:15:55.000 tying this into AIDS

00:15:56.080 and saying,

00:15:56.900 let's not make the same mistake

00:15:58.040 that we made with AIDS

00:15:59.240 by stigmatizing gay people.

00:16:01.640 But actually,

00:16:02.900 it's the reverse issue.

00:16:03.780 That's right.

00:16:04.640 The mistake made

00:16:05.720 with the messaging

00:16:06.280 about AIDS

00:16:07.320 is that anyone

00:16:08.820 can get it whatsoever.

00:16:10.340 That's the message

00:16:11.380 that we're all right.

00:16:12.040 But also,

00:16:12.060 AIDS actually,

00:16:13.460 in the long run,

00:16:14.220 obviously,

00:16:14.560 was a horrible...

00:16:15.260 It was a plague.

00:16:16.100 It was...

00:16:16.360 I remembered,

00:16:17.080 and it was traumatizing

00:16:18.120 to everybody

00:16:18.700 if you were in an area

00:16:19.840 like New York

00:16:20.420 where there were

00:16:20.660 a lot of gay people.

00:16:21.780 However,

00:16:22.380 after it was over,

00:16:23.520 that was when gay people

00:16:24.420 started to really come out

00:16:25.600 because people...

00:16:26.640 You know,

00:16:27.100 your cousin was dying

00:16:28.660 or somebody you didn't know

00:16:30.380 is gay was dying,

00:16:31.540 and people started to say,

00:16:32.480 oh, well,

00:16:32.880 there's more of this

00:16:33.540 than we thought there was

00:16:34.300 as people that we actually know,

00:16:36.500 and, you know,

00:16:36.780 it's Rock Hudson,

00:16:37.560 it's actual movie stars

00:16:38.680 that we like.

00:16:39.300 It actually, you know,

00:16:40.520 helped the gay cause

00:16:41.760 even though it doesn't

00:16:42.340 help gay people.

00:16:44.080 You know,

00:16:44.560 I think to your point,

00:16:45.580 though, Matt,

00:16:46.380 I grew up being

00:16:48.160 a century and a half

00:16:49.320 younger than Drew.

00:16:51.300 I was in school

00:16:52.240 during the AIDS crisis,

00:16:53.260 and they never once

00:16:55.220 used the word homosexuality

00:16:56.660 ever in reference to AIDS.

00:16:58.560 I thought that AIDS

00:16:59.260 was the thing that...

00:17:00.600 Once Bobby kissed Susie,

00:17:01.920 we were all going

00:17:02.800 to die of AIDS.

00:17:03.840 That is how

00:17:04.620 it was presented to me.

00:17:05.360 It's one of the great...

00:17:06.160 Wow.

00:17:06.940 You know,

00:17:07.400 one of the great myths

00:17:08.260 of the second half

00:17:08.940 of the 20th century

00:17:09.700 is heterosexual AIDS,

00:17:11.120 and they did it

00:17:11.680 in the beginning

00:17:12.220 because they didn't think

00:17:12.800 that they could get buy-in.

00:17:13.840 They didn't think

00:17:14.180 the American people

00:17:14.800 were capable

00:17:15.320 of sympathizing with

00:17:16.980 or, you know,

00:17:18.020 bringing funding to bear

00:17:19.040 on behalf of gay people,

00:17:21.320 and so instead

00:17:21.860 they had to turn it...

00:17:23.240 As they always do.

00:17:24.520 I mean, obviously,

00:17:25.240 we've seen it

00:17:26.020 at a scale

00:17:26.500 we've never seen it before

00:17:27.400 over the last three years.

00:17:29.440 They have to put...

00:17:30.320 They can't say,

00:17:31.380 you know,

00:17:31.680 if you have diabetes,

00:17:33.020 if you're overweight,

00:17:33.820 if you're in your 80s,

00:17:34.900 you probably need to take

00:17:35.640 this COVID thing

00:17:36.380 particularly seriously.

00:17:37.620 They'll never say

00:17:38.200 anything like that.

00:17:38.880 Instead,

00:17:39.420 they have to say,

00:17:40.140 you're all going to die.

00:17:41.420 Use disinfectant

00:17:42.240 on your fruits and vegetables

00:17:43.560 after they're dropped off

00:17:45.080 on your doorstep

00:17:45.840 before you eat them.

00:17:46.820 They have to create

00:17:47.600 this sort of mass panic

00:17:48.840 to advance any piece

00:17:49.960 of their agenda.

00:17:51.340 What's interesting about it,

00:17:52.240 too,

00:17:52.400 is, of course,

00:17:52.920 most people...

00:17:53.900 You know,

00:17:54.120 heart disease

00:17:54.960 is what kills

00:17:55.580 more people

00:17:56.220 than anything else.

00:17:56.980 Yeah, everyone.

00:17:57.360 And still,

00:17:58.260 they're putting out

00:17:58.740 magazine covers

00:17:59.480 where they tell you

00:18:00.100 that being fat

00:18:00.780 is healthy,

00:18:01.700 which that will really kill you.

00:18:03.480 Obesity will really kill you.

00:18:04.780 Yeah, how dare you?

00:18:05.340 Yeah, I can distinctly remember...

00:18:07.100 By the way,

00:18:07.460 I mean,

00:18:07.620 if you're talking about monkeypox

00:18:08.780 and the risk factors

00:18:09.620 of monkeypox,

00:18:10.200 I mean,

00:18:10.300 it's worth noting

00:18:10.840 at this point

00:18:11.260 that I believe

00:18:12.160 that in the West,

00:18:13.700 fewer than 10 people

00:18:14.560 have died of monkeypox

00:18:15.700 this entire time.

00:18:16.620 Yeah.

00:18:17.280 They're talking about

00:18:17.940 this as a global pandemic

00:18:19.040 and it's going to wipe out

00:18:21.020 hundreds of thousands,

00:18:22.000 millions of people.

00:18:23.020 The grand total number

00:18:23.800 of people who have died,

00:18:24.720 last I checked,

00:18:25.180 according to the Associated Press,

00:18:26.200 I believe it was five.

00:18:26.980 It was like 16,000

00:18:27.940 identified monkeypox infections

00:18:29.440 in Western countries.

00:18:31.080 I think the plurality

00:18:32.180 of them in the United States,

00:18:33.400 five people total have died.

00:18:35.400 And this is a word

00:18:36.800 that everyone is supposed to know.

00:18:38.300 So again,

00:18:38.960 the idea here

00:18:39.420 is that the health establishment

00:18:40.260 is going to scare

00:18:40.740 the living hell out of you,

00:18:41.580 but not enough

00:18:42.020 to actually tell you

00:18:42.740 that probably you shouldn't

00:18:43.420 engage in the one activity

00:18:44.280 that is likely

00:18:44.800 to transmit the disease.

00:18:45.880 Yeah, Matt.

00:18:46.900 So the message

00:18:47.520 I'm taking from Ben there

00:18:48.360 is that you can still

00:18:48.960 go to the orgies

00:18:49.540 because you're like,

00:18:50.160 I can remember,

00:18:53.320 I can remember being

00:18:53.860 in fifth grade

00:18:54.340 and learning about AIDS

00:18:55.080 and the message was

00:18:57.240 anyone can get it

00:18:58.060 and they watched some video

00:18:59.120 or something like that

00:18:59.900 and just like you,

00:19:01.960 they never said anything

00:19:02.740 about gay people.

00:19:03.700 I can remember going,

00:19:04.500 I was so traumatized by this.

00:19:05.960 I went home and asked my,

00:19:07.040 I brought up to my mom

00:19:07.980 and I said,

00:19:08.380 I'm afraid I might have AIDS,

00:19:10.580 I might get AIDS.

00:19:11.260 And she told me,

00:19:12.180 she said,

00:19:12.280 well, you're not gay

00:19:13.920 and you're not

00:19:14.640 an intravenous drug user,

00:19:15.860 so you're not going to get it.

00:19:16.820 But I think that actually

00:19:17.940 this is kind of

00:19:18.400 a significant moment

00:19:19.300 for a generation

00:19:22.080 that grew up in the 90s

00:19:23.200 that having this AIDS panic

00:19:25.340 shoved down your throat,

00:19:28.540 it kind of,

00:19:29.580 I don't know,

00:19:29.820 maybe it ties into

00:19:30.600 why millennials

00:19:31.200 are so susceptible now

00:19:32.320 to panicking over COVID.

00:19:34.780 It's just,

00:19:35.140 we were all raised

00:19:36.680 to be hypochondriacs.

00:19:38.340 Have you noticed

00:19:38.780 a phenomenon now

00:19:39.820 on the right?

00:19:40.780 It used to be

00:19:41.380 that all the crunchy

00:19:42.120 granola people

00:19:42.960 who ate all the weird stuff

00:19:44.360 and didn't trust the doctors,

00:19:45.600 they were pretty much

00:19:46.660 all on the left.

00:19:47.760 And I've noticed recently

00:19:49.400 it's at least an equal number,

00:19:52.740 if not mostly conservatives,

00:19:54.200 who were saying

00:19:55.240 no seed oils

00:19:56.220 or I'm not going to

00:19:57.080 trust this doctor

00:19:57.900 or I'm going to go

00:19:58.460 to this kind of,

00:19:59.600 I don't know,

00:20:00.080 a doula instead of,

00:20:01.360 or a midwife or something

00:20:02.320 instead of a doctor.

00:20:03.180 And the reason for this,

00:20:04.300 it actually ties back

00:20:05.020 right with our public

00:20:05.740 health issues,

00:20:06.280 is who was the face

00:20:07.860 of the public health

00:20:09.020 response to AIDS?

00:20:10.440 You know who it was,

00:20:11.680 baby,

00:20:12.060 it was old me,

00:20:13.200 Mr. Mistoffelees.

00:20:14.460 You know,

00:20:14.660 he was there in the 80s.

00:20:16.380 It was his first

00:20:17.000 big public health campaign.

00:20:18.540 And he blew it

00:20:19.220 and it was just a disaster

00:20:20.760 as we discuss

00:20:21.620 in Fauci Unmasked

00:20:22.440 available on Daily One Plus.

00:20:23.940 But it was,

00:20:24.700 the messaging was all ridiculous.

00:20:27.000 But he's the guy who said

00:20:27.920 you could get it

00:20:28.420 from close contact.

00:20:29.480 Yeah, he was.

00:20:29.960 He left out the fact

00:20:30.620 that it has to do

00:20:31.200 with sodomy.

00:20:32.060 Real close.

00:20:32.980 You have to get

00:20:33.560 really close.

00:20:34.360 But it's also,

00:20:36.200 I mean,

00:20:37.160 a huge,

00:20:38.200 it's not one news story,

00:20:39.280 but a series of news stories

00:20:40.360 just in the last week.

00:20:41.340 You know,

00:20:42.340 the number one

00:20:43.420 most influential study

00:20:45.220 on Alzheimer's

00:20:46.020 and it turns out

00:20:46.880 to be fraudulent.

00:20:47.700 Fraudulent.

00:20:47.980 Yeah, the antidepressant.

00:20:49.500 The antidepressant studies

00:20:50.640 that have governed

00:20:51.440 how we treat depression

00:20:52.580 since 1970

00:20:53.620 are fraudulent.

00:20:56.040 There's another big one.

00:20:57.120 I'm not remembering

00:20:57.920 off the top of my head

00:20:58.660 this way.

00:21:00.000 It seems to happen

00:21:01.280 like every six days now

00:21:02.780 at this point

00:21:03.300 that some major aspect

00:21:04.620 of the public health

00:21:05.600 establishment is fake.

00:21:07.460 And so in that...

00:21:07.940 It's revealed to be alive.

00:21:08.560 Yeah, in that environment,

00:21:09.820 when someone comes up to me

00:21:11.360 who I used to write off

00:21:12.260 as a hippie

00:21:12.780 and says,

00:21:13.340 hey, don't eat

00:21:14.620 those seed oils, man.

00:21:15.780 Or hey, don't trust

00:21:16.440 the doctor on this

00:21:17.080 or don't take this drug.

00:21:18.400 20 years ago,

00:21:19.040 I would have said,

00:21:19.500 yeah, whatever, okay.

00:21:20.360 Now, I am frankly

00:21:21.920 more likely to trust

00:21:23.180 an African shaman

00:21:24.660 witch doctor

00:21:25.400 than I am to trust

00:21:26.620 someone in a white lab

00:21:27.700 coat at the NIH.

00:21:28.960 Yeah.

00:21:29.340 Well, you know,

00:21:30.040 actually,

00:21:30.380 this is a really

00:21:30.820 interesting point

00:21:31.400 because one of the things

00:21:32.540 that I think happened

00:21:33.280 to Western society

00:21:34.180 generally over the course

00:21:35.220 of the 20th century

00:21:35.960 is the substitution

00:21:37.020 of science for religion.

00:21:38.240 The idea was that

00:21:39.400 your religious leaders

00:21:40.300 were not trustworthy

00:21:40.880 because they provided you

00:21:41.900 with certain solutions

00:21:42.620 to life and then they

00:21:43.480 couldn't even uphold

00:21:44.340 their own standards.

00:21:44.980 This is, I think,

00:21:45.540 what led to so much rage

00:21:46.980 at the Catholic Church

00:21:47.760 in the early 2000s

00:21:48.760 after all of the scandals

00:21:50.160 regarding pedophile priests

00:21:52.140 and such.

00:21:52.620 The idea was that

00:21:53.780 these were the people

00:21:54.340 who were supposed to lead us

00:21:55.240 and suddenly they've let us down.

00:21:56.540 Well, the story

00:21:57.760 of the 20th century

00:21:58.480 is the substitution

00:21:59.260 of scientists

00:22:00.800 for kind of cultic leaders.

00:22:02.700 The idea was

00:22:03.180 these were the people

00:22:04.080 who were going to lead us

00:22:04.860 to a better tomorrow.

00:22:05.860 They were always going

00:22:06.780 to fix all of our problems.

00:22:08.220 And there was some truth

00:22:09.020 to it because,

00:22:09.520 you know,

00:22:09.920 science has advanced

00:22:11.140 enormously the ability

00:22:13.200 of human beings

00:22:13.800 to live longer

00:22:14.440 and more healthily.

00:22:15.700 But one of the things

00:22:16.360 that has happened

00:22:16.800 is the scientists

00:22:17.740 forgot about epistemic humility.

00:22:20.160 There's no humility

00:22:21.500 to them at all.

00:22:22.440 And so they make claims

00:22:23.320 that are well beyond

00:22:24.540 what they can actually prove.

00:22:26.880 And you see it

00:22:27.800 in virtually every area.

00:22:29.280 They're just not willing

00:22:30.140 to say the truth

00:22:30.940 about what they know

00:22:31.620 and really what they don't.

00:22:33.080 That is most true

00:22:33.940 in the area of psychiatry

00:22:34.940 where, honestly,

00:22:35.620 the understanding

00:22:36.480 of the human brain

00:22:37.160 is extraordinarily rudimentary

00:22:38.580 at this point.

00:22:39.060 And yet you're told

00:22:39.960 by the experts

00:22:40.500 that they know

00:22:40.900 like every jot and tittle

00:22:42.120 of how neuroscience works.

00:22:43.640 No, they don't.

00:22:44.400 They really, really don't.

00:22:45.780 And so because of that,

00:22:46.900 people expect magic

00:22:47.840 from folks.

00:22:48.400 And you can't expect magic

00:22:49.440 because there's no such thing

00:22:50.440 as magic.

00:22:51.160 So when the magic dissipates,

00:22:52.920 then you're treating them

00:22:53.800 exactly like you would

00:22:54.560 treat a religious leader

00:22:55.480 who you're disappointed in

00:22:56.660 because he's violated

00:22:57.460 your sense of faith in them.

00:22:58.940 You should read this book.

00:22:59.960 It's called Desperate Remedies,

00:23:01.160 I believe,

00:23:01.600 which is a history

00:23:02.360 of psychiatry,

00:23:03.360 which is one atrocity

00:23:05.060 after another,

00:23:06.080 completely outside of science,

00:23:09.060 but every single one of them

00:23:10.280 is picked up

00:23:10.860 by the establishment

00:23:11.640 and touted as a great thing,

00:23:13.240 including sticking

00:23:14.360 an awl up people's nose

00:23:15.620 and taking part

00:23:16.400 of their brain out,

00:23:17.060 which was lobotomy.

00:23:18.720 And, you know,

00:23:19.200 it makes Freud,

00:23:20.300 who I believe

00:23:20.820 was a brilliant quack,

00:23:22.060 it actually makes him

00:23:22.940 kind of a hero

00:23:23.420 because at least

00:23:23.840 he was only talking to people.

00:23:25.160 He wasn't electroshocking them,

00:23:26.780 he wasn't drugging them,

00:23:27.540 he wasn't doing

00:23:28.060 all these terrible things,

00:23:29.140 but it is one history

00:23:30.600 of failure after another.

00:23:32.100 And, you know,

00:23:32.400 there's one other thing

00:23:33.060 about what Ben is saying.

00:23:34.780 When you look back

00:23:35.420 at the 20th century,

00:23:36.500 and because most of us

00:23:37.660 lived in the second half

00:23:38.600 of the 20th century,

00:23:39.340 you forget what an absolute

00:23:40.700 nightmare the 20th century was.

00:23:42.860 Hitlerian fascism

00:23:43.880 and Soviet communism

00:23:45.380 were both scientific movements

00:23:47.100 in a sense.

00:23:48.480 They were both based

00:23:49.180 in non-God,

00:23:50.140 non-religious-based science.

00:23:52.060 There's got to be

00:23:52.700 some kind of clue here

00:23:54.200 that science is a wonderful thing,

00:23:56.000 but it's not the only thing.

00:23:57.360 I have two thoughts.

00:23:58.740 One is that it's not,

00:24:00.220 you said it,

00:24:00.780 it's not just science,

00:24:01.860 it's experts generally.

00:24:02.800 And in the same way

00:24:04.540 that in the Middle Ages,

00:24:06.540 the Catholic priesthood

00:24:07.720 sort of soaked up

00:24:08.560 all the 120 IQs in Europe.

00:24:10.640 Because there was

00:24:11.200 nowhere else to be.

00:24:12.860 So if you had any smarts

00:24:14.600 whatsoever,

00:24:15.540 you went into

00:24:15.980 the Catholic priesthood.

00:24:16.820 And then that creates

00:24:17.680 all kinds of problems

00:24:18.640 across time

00:24:19.360 that you've completely

00:24:20.660 centralized all of the people

00:24:22.500 probably capable

00:24:23.760 of having critical,

00:24:24.940 you know,

00:24:25.180 any substantial level

00:24:26.720 of critical thinking

00:24:27.380 into one institution

00:24:29.040 that has a very rigid

00:24:30.200 set of parameters

00:24:30.940 on what you're allowed

00:24:31.580 to think.

00:24:31.940 And so you've

00:24:33.120 almost removed

00:24:34.240 critical thought

00:24:35.620 from society.

00:24:37.120 We do the same thing now.

00:24:38.620 We just do it

00:24:39.520 through the institution

00:24:40.500 of higher learning.

00:24:41.760 And in the name

00:24:42.640 of liberalism,

00:24:43.820 it became the least liberal

00:24:46.040 of all institutions.

00:24:47.360 It is a religious institution

00:24:49.020 that has very strict

00:24:50.580 parameters

00:24:51.860 on what you're allowed

00:24:52.560 to think.

00:24:53.140 And we placed

00:24:53.780 everyone with 120 plus IQ

00:24:55.580 in that system.

00:24:56.600 And so now

00:24:58.100 the people who should

00:24:59.140 be having

00:24:59.560 not critical theory

00:25:01.240 but actual criticism,

00:25:02.820 actual critical thought

00:25:04.460 about day-to-day life,

00:25:05.960 critical thought

00:25:06.400 about how we live,

00:25:07.280 critical thought

00:25:07.680 about the things

00:25:08.100 that we thought historically,

00:25:09.440 the things now,

00:25:10.260 the things that we might

00:25:10.920 think in the future,

00:25:12.000 they've all been

00:25:13.360 institutionalized,

00:25:14.540 as it were,

00:25:15.120 into thinking

00:25:15.620 one set of things.

00:25:16.280 And you see this

00:25:17.100 everywhere.

00:25:18.260 So if you had said,

00:25:19.400 if you said during COVID

00:25:20.820 that you doubted,

00:25:22.760 for example,

00:25:23.820 that hankies

00:25:24.700 over your face

00:25:25.500 was going to make

00:25:26.020 a substantial dent

00:25:26.960 in the spread

00:25:28.460 of this respiratory

00:25:29.500 viral disease,

00:25:31.240 it's not just that

00:25:33.000 virologists

00:25:35.860 would come out

00:25:37.020 and tell you

00:25:37.420 you were wrong.

00:25:38.380 It's that all experts

00:25:39.720 at all levels

00:25:41.140 would come out

00:25:41.640 and tell you

00:25:41.960 that you were wrong

00:25:42.500 with absolute authority

00:25:44.120 and absolute certainty

00:25:45.160 about things that they knew

00:25:46.260 absolutely nothing.

00:25:47.920 You see it,

00:25:48.460 I think about this

00:25:49.280 in every level

00:25:50.060 of the expert class

00:25:51.340 right now.

00:25:52.240 If you question

00:25:53.140 the narrative

00:25:53.940 on anthropogenic

00:25:54.660 global warming

00:25:55.340 and they'll say

00:25:56.580 98% of scientists

00:25:58.320 agree,

00:25:58.940 right?

00:25:59.120 But 98% of scientists

00:26:00.180 have absolutely

00:26:01.300 no knowledge

00:26:02.120 about climatology.

00:26:03.620 You mean that like

00:26:04.540 heart surgeons agree

00:26:06.380 and they do.

00:26:07.180 And you mean that

00:26:08.200 lawyers agree

00:26:09.120 and they do.

00:26:10.060 And you mean people

00:26:10.660 with gender studies

00:26:11.500 degrees agree

00:26:13.020 and they do.

00:26:14.060 The institutionalization

00:26:15.440 requires that

00:26:16.860 whatever my degree

00:26:17.820 is in

00:26:18.320 for it to have

00:26:19.520 any value,

00:26:20.500 I have to accept

00:26:21.220 that you're as expert

00:26:22.340 about your degree

00:26:23.340 as I am

00:26:24.180 about my degree

00:26:24.860 and it creates

00:26:25.300 this unbelievable

00:26:26.160 echo chamber

00:26:26.880 and the rest of us

00:26:28.080 have just deferred

00:26:28.980 all of our critical

00:26:29.660 thinking to the institution.

00:26:30.400 It's a brilliant insight.

00:26:31.500 The greatest example

00:26:32.280 of it is NASA,

00:26:33.120 the moonshot.

00:26:34.120 They sucked all the talent

00:26:35.220 out of the room

00:26:35.840 and after the moonshot

00:26:37.200 basically the space program

00:26:38.540 died.

00:26:39.320 It died because

00:26:40.100 they were all

00:26:40.600 in the government

00:26:41.120 instead of

00:26:41.740 somewhere saying

00:26:43.200 you know I have

00:26:43.640 this other idea.

00:26:44.620 And it took 40 years

00:26:45.840 to challenge that.

00:26:46.820 The other part

00:26:47.480 of the story

00:26:49.080 that makes this

00:26:49.700 such a problem

00:26:50.380 is that

00:26:51.040 you have the experts

00:26:52.280 saying leave everything

00:26:53.400 to us

00:26:53.880 and you have

00:26:55.000 the American public

00:26:55.940 many of which

00:26:57.240 have been conditioned

00:26:58.020 to sort of

00:26:58.480 look for the easiest answer.

00:27:00.120 And so

00:27:00.460 a lot of people

00:27:01.440 are more than happy

00:27:02.400 to just farm that out

00:27:03.460 to the so-called experts

00:27:05.340 and let them deal with it.

00:27:06.200 That's especially the case

00:27:07.080 with psychiatry

00:27:08.660 and the antidepressant study

00:27:10.220 which by the way

00:27:11.180 what's so sinister

00:27:13.160 about that

00:27:13.780 is it's not like

00:27:14.560 this study

00:27:15.040 just came out

00:27:16.220 revealing

00:27:17.260 that all these

00:27:18.540 antidepressants

00:27:19.180 were prescribed

00:27:19.940 on a faulty basis

00:27:20.720 and we just found

00:27:21.340 this out this week.

00:27:22.320 No this has been known

00:27:23.400 for decades.

00:27:24.420 Psychiatrists and doctors

00:27:25.260 have known for decades

00:27:26.500 that the chemical imbalance

00:27:27.960 theory of depression

00:27:28.720 is not true.

00:27:30.620 That was basically

00:27:31.800 a guess

00:27:32.420 that someone came up

00:27:33.160 with decades ago

00:27:34.420 and it's been known

00:27:35.460 that it wasn't true.

00:27:37.140 Well here's one evidence

00:27:37.920 that it's not true

00:27:38.700 is the antidepressant use

00:27:40.060 has skyrocketed

00:27:40.920 ever since they started

00:27:41.840 since we're the most

00:27:42.920 mentally ill generation

00:27:44.000 in human history

00:27:44.800 and the most medicated.

00:27:45.600 Usually when you come up

00:27:46.280 with a cure for things

00:27:47.140 it goes away.

00:27:47.620 And they've done studies

00:27:48.380 where they've compared

00:27:49.700 antidepressants

00:27:50.560 against placebos

00:27:52.780 and found that

00:27:53.400 especially if it's

00:27:53.860 an active placebo

00:27:54.660 that gives you

00:27:55.100 some kind of

00:27:55.840 irrelevant side effect

00:27:56.780 there's no distinction

00:27:58.720 between the two

00:27:59.420 but the problem is

00:28:00.800 even after this study

00:28:01.620 came out

00:28:02.000 and you know

00:28:02.380 I was talking about it

00:28:03.400 on my show

00:28:03.840 and what I heard

00:28:04.380 from a lot of people

00:28:05.120 is well

00:28:06.240 maybe this is all false

00:28:09.280 but it makes me feel

00:28:10.040 better to take it.

00:28:10.800 Yeah I know.

00:28:11.460 So that's it.

00:28:12.780 My feeling is

00:28:13.200 take the placebo.

00:28:13.880 You know I will say

00:28:16.740 I will say that

00:28:17.640 on the antidepressant issue

00:28:18.640 I mean I think that

00:28:19.400 there's a slightly

00:28:20.260 more complexity

00:28:20.900 to antidepressant use

00:28:22.580 than what the study

00:28:24.400 actually claims.

00:28:25.200 What the study

00:28:25.600 actually claims

00:28:26.320 correctly of course

00:28:27.260 is that there's

00:28:28.320 no relationship

00:28:29.060 between low serotonin

00:28:30.420 and depression

00:28:31.300 which was the

00:28:31.800 chemical imbalance

00:28:32.460 theory right

00:28:33.020 was the low serotonin

00:28:33.980 was invariably

00:28:35.020 connected with depression.

00:28:36.680 Well psychiatrists

00:28:37.340 have known for a while

00:28:37.900 and this again

00:28:38.400 demonstrates that

00:28:39.120 all they do

00:28:39.660 is the platonic lie

00:28:40.480 and this is the

00:28:40.980 biggest problem.

00:28:41.740 That disconnect

00:28:42.120 between what they know

00:28:43.440 and what they tell you

00:28:44.340 is so great

00:28:45.740 that the vast majority

00:28:46.960 of the American public

00:28:47.620 believes that the

00:28:48.300 chemical imbalance

00:28:48.960 theory is the going theory.

00:28:50.600 I mean if you poll

00:28:51.020 Americans about that

00:28:51.820 they think that

00:28:52.340 that's what is going on

00:28:53.540 in the human brain

00:28:54.460 because they watched

00:28:54.960 a bunch of

00:28:55.300 commercials about Prozac

00:28:59.080 in 1997

00:28:59.800 and it said this

00:29:00.820 right in the commercials

00:29:01.440 and so everybody

00:29:02.220 still believes

00:29:02.860 that that's how this works

00:29:03.680 but psychiatrists

00:29:04.340 will tell you

00:29:04.780 that depression

00:29:05.420 like cancer

00:29:06.120 is actually a bundle

00:29:07.000 of things right

00:29:07.860 there are a bunch

00:29:08.900 of different types

00:29:09.340 of depression

00:29:09.700 ranging from mild

00:29:10.380 to severe

00:29:10.980 there are a bunch

00:29:11.360 of different causes

00:29:11.940 of depression

00:29:12.340 that we don't know

00:29:13.100 the chemical causes

00:29:13.900 of depression.

00:29:14.900 Now what you'll see

00:29:15.760 from some psychiatrists

00:29:16.880 and from some studies

00:29:17.740 is that some antidepressants

00:29:19.640 depending on circumstance

00:29:20.480 may have a better effect

00:29:22.320 than other antidepressants

00:29:23.260 depending on the person

00:29:24.100 and here's the key though

00:29:25.520 they don't know why

00:29:26.640 right and they can't

00:29:27.380 just say that.

00:29:28.080 The truth is that

00:29:28.720 a huge amount of medicine

00:29:29.580 is trial and error

00:29:30.360 right antidepressants

00:29:31.520 actually started off

00:29:32.460 SSRIs started off

00:29:33.940 as tuberculosis drugs

00:29:35.020 in the same way

00:29:35.660 that Viagra started off

00:29:36.700 as a drug

00:29:37.160 for heart arrhythmia

00:29:38.180 for heart arrhythmia

00:29:39.080 so very often

00:29:40.420 I mean this is true

00:29:41.260 right now for a huge

00:29:42.140 number of medicines

00:29:43.460 that we use

00:29:43.940 they're being used

00:29:45.540 for the not original

00:29:46.900 purpose of the medication

00:29:48.160 because again

00:29:48.900 we are not that much

00:29:50.100 farther advanced

00:29:51.240 except in some

00:29:51.960 of our study techniques

00:29:52.740 from the days

00:29:53.660 when it was like

00:29:54.040 pick the red berry

00:29:54.620 or pick the blackberry

00:29:55.360 and see who dies

00:29:55.920 and see who lives

00:29:56.560 and so it's very often

00:29:57.980 what you're doing

00:29:58.640 and so what you're doing

00:30:00.600 very often

00:30:01.020 with antidepressants

00:30:01.800 and this is true

00:30:02.340 is you'll see a person

00:30:03.260 and they'll take

00:30:03.620 three or four different

00:30:04.440 antidepressants in a row

00:30:05.300 until they get to the one

00:30:06.060 that works for them

00:30:06.960 part of the problem

00:30:07.740 again with studies

00:30:09.160 of depression

00:30:09.540 is that also the effects

00:30:10.720 are self-reported

00:30:11.440 there's no objectively

00:30:12.200 verifiable metric

00:30:13.240 to determine

00:30:13.780 whether an antidepressant

00:30:15.020 is working

00:30:15.440 other than I tell a doctor

00:30:16.760 that I feel better

00:30:17.740 so all this is really vague

00:30:19.140 and really difficult

00:30:19.960 and it got simplified

00:30:20.960 down into

00:30:21.720 you have a chemical imbalance

00:30:22.880 take an SSRI

00:30:23.800 it'll cure you

00:30:24.520 and that's not true

00:30:25.540 the black box warnings

00:30:26.840 by the way

00:30:27.180 and SSRIs

00:30:27.740 are really really troubling

00:30:29.160 I mean you should really

00:30:29.780 what I've said on the show

00:30:30.940 is listen

00:30:31.620 there may be SSRIs

00:30:32.620 that work for some people

00:30:33.600 but in the best of all

00:30:35.160 possible circumstances

00:30:36.200 you should at least

00:30:37.160 go through

00:30:37.660 cognitive behavioral therapy

00:30:38.900 and do your best

00:30:39.700 via not drugs

00:30:40.780 before you even start

00:30:41.740 looking along those lines

00:30:42.720 and I say

00:30:43.300 the only way

00:30:44.100 to treat depression

00:30:45.480 are never useful

00:30:46.180 because that's not true

00:30:46.660 erectile dysfunction

00:30:47.360 and COVID-19

00:30:48.340 is essential oils

00:30:49.280 yeah

00:30:49.840 that's a great point

00:30:51.000 I've just found

00:30:51.900 just a little peppermint

00:30:53.040 can I

00:30:53.900 I think

00:30:55.240 I know we had

00:30:56.120 this conversation

00:30:56.660 a few shows ago

00:30:58.320 about mental illness

00:30:59.260 and not to retread

00:31:00.720 that ground again

00:31:01.440 but

00:31:01.760 there's this

00:31:03.520 I just think

00:31:04.920 there's some

00:31:05.220 flawed

00:31:06.120 fundamental

00:31:07.840 a flawed fundamental

00:31:09.160 premise

00:31:09.460 that we're starting with

00:31:10.200 and when we talk about

00:31:11.020 well

00:31:11.780 do the

00:31:12.840 do the

00:31:13.140 do the antidepressants work

00:31:14.320 what do we mean by that

00:31:15.980 what do you mean work

00:31:16.660 how do we know if they work

00:31:17.660 and

00:31:17.980 and what we mean is that

00:31:19.640 it works

00:31:20.800 if you take it

00:31:21.640 and you just feel

00:31:22.620 I guess kind of numb

00:31:23.720 you feel okay

00:31:24.460 you feel content

00:31:25.760 I don't know exactly

00:31:26.640 but

00:31:27.500 is

00:31:28.220 is that even

00:31:29.340 how people are supposed to feel

00:31:31.400 every single second

00:31:32.180 that's

00:31:32.820 that's the question

00:31:33.440 how are people supposed to feel

00:31:35.940 like

00:31:36.140 how are people supposed to experience the world

00:31:38.600 and I think before you even

00:31:40.320 think about prescribing a drug

00:31:42.180 obviously you got to go down the checklist of

00:31:43.900 lifestyle choices

00:31:44.940 diet

00:31:45.480 sleep

00:31:45.920 all that

00:31:46.320 they don't do that

00:31:47.040 they just go right to the drug

00:31:47.980 hold on a second

00:31:49.700 one second

00:31:49.920 there's another

00:31:50.560 there's another thing on the checklist

00:31:51.800 are

00:31:53.520 are you a

00:31:54.800 a mortal being

00:31:55.880 living in this fallen world

00:31:57.900 that is full of just

00:31:59.020 misery and sorrow

00:32:00.300 and so

00:32:00.740 my point is that

00:32:01.860 yeah

00:32:02.340 I think depression is actually

00:32:04.040 it's a rational response

00:32:06.560 to our condition

00:32:08.020 as human beings

00:32:09.040 which isn't to say that we should always be depressed

00:32:11.080 but it takes more effort

00:32:12.700 it's a rarer thing

00:32:14.420 to be happy and content

00:32:15.640 no one asks the question

00:32:16.780 no one asks the question

00:32:17.700 is telling people that they are

00:32:19.180 bags of chemicals

00:32:20.060 that can be adjusted

00:32:20.860 depressing in and of itself

00:32:22.360 because as we say

00:32:23.560 from the invention of these things

00:32:24.920 and I'm not totally against all drugs

00:32:26.700 all medical

00:32:27.620 you know

00:32:28.280 psychotropic drugs

00:32:29.640 I'm not completely against it

00:32:31.000 but I'm against the idea

00:32:32.020 what you just said

00:32:32.680 I'm against the idea

00:32:33.580 that that should be your first guess

00:32:34.860 it should definitely be

00:32:35.920 your very last guess

00:32:37.300 that there's no other reason

00:32:38.560 to be depressed

00:32:39.140 and even

00:32:39.840 even the existential pain of life

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00:34:17.980 this is a really

00:34:18.640 important topic

00:34:19.340 how is a person

00:34:20.840 to feel

00:34:21.320 how are we

00:34:22.280 supposed to feel

00:34:22.920 what's our reaction

00:34:23.580 to our lives

00:34:24.980 supposed to be

00:34:26.120 we

00:34:27.060 I say it all the time

00:34:29.240 we live in the most

00:34:30.220 diagnosed

00:34:31.520 and most drugged

00:34:33.520 generation

00:34:34.140 in all of human history

00:34:35.380 but not the happiest

00:34:37.100 well I will tell you

00:34:38.020 something

00:34:38.300 I feel

00:34:39.800 when I'm walking around

00:34:40.600 I'm just talking

00:34:40.940 about my feelings

00:34:41.400 I feel as though

00:34:42.640 I am taking

00:34:43.260 heart arrhythmia drugs

00:34:44.200 almost all the time

00:34:45.080 I feel really excited

00:34:47.080 invigorated

00:34:48.220 invigorated

00:34:49.020 tumescent

00:34:49.800 so part of the reason

00:34:51.140 for this

00:34:51.660 is

00:34:52.360 and this really

00:34:54.440 gets to Matt's point

00:34:55.360 on there being

00:34:56.000 a spiritual

00:34:56.960 or metaphysical

00:34:57.660 basis here

00:34:58.220 I was an atheist

00:34:59.200 for about 10 years

00:35:00.380 and then I was

00:35:01.240 not an atheist anymore

00:35:02.240 and it happened

00:35:02.940 in kind of a whirlwind

00:35:04.180 of a few years

00:35:04.920 in there

00:35:05.260 and I will tell you

00:35:06.560 I'm way less depressed

00:35:09.420 it's amazing

00:35:09.880 I'm not taking any drugs

00:35:10.900 and I'm not

00:35:11.360 and it really is

00:35:12.480 just a way of viewing

00:35:13.340 the world

00:35:13.680 and I'm not saying

00:35:14.160 I don't get sad

00:35:14.780 I'm not saying

00:35:15.300 I don't feel grief

00:35:15.940 or pain

00:35:16.520 or stress

00:35:17.420 or anxiety

00:35:17.980 or anything

00:35:18.240 I feel all of those things

00:35:19.240 but it is

00:35:20.320 a huge change

00:35:21.680 I've taken a handful

00:35:23.120 of chemicals in my life

00:35:24.320 especially in my college years

00:35:25.440 and that shift

00:35:27.140 that spiritual

00:35:28.020 and metaphysical shift

00:35:29.520 is far more powerful

00:35:31.080 than anything

00:35:31.540 and you know

00:35:31.920 what's interesting too

00:35:32.860 to go back to

00:35:33.620 what you were saying

00:35:34.320 about just the existential

00:35:35.540 state of the world

00:35:36.440 is religion is joy

00:35:38.500 and it's increasing joy

00:35:40.080 all the time

00:35:40.720 but it makes you

00:35:42.160 more realistic

00:35:42.920 and this is the thing

00:35:44.460 the brief against

00:35:45.460 the attack on religion

00:35:46.500 was always

00:35:46.940 it was a fantasy

00:35:47.680 it was always

00:35:48.540 you have the sky daddy

00:35:50.120 whatever they say

00:35:50.780 but it's actually

00:35:51.400 the opposite

00:35:51.920 you see the world

00:35:52.740 so much more clearly

00:35:54.120 you know more

00:35:54.840 what people are going to do

00:35:55.700 you know why

00:35:56.140 they're going to do it

00:35:56.780 and you understand

00:35:57.620 that it is what you say

00:35:58.920 it's a veil of tears

00:35:59.720 by the way

00:36:00.160 and I think

00:36:01.100 well there's something else

00:36:02.220 here too

00:36:02.560 and that is that

00:36:03.240 one of the things

00:36:04.240 that we found

00:36:05.160 in western societies

00:36:06.020 and western societies

00:36:06.780 have extraordinarily

00:36:07.400 high rates

00:36:08.000 of mental illness

00:36:09.660 suicidal ideation

00:36:10.620 depression

00:36:11.020 one of the reasons

00:36:12.020 for that is something

00:36:12.680 called choice theory

00:36:13.400 the idea is that

00:36:14.040 when you provide people

00:36:14.780 with too many choices

00:36:15.680 they freeze up

00:36:16.400 in the faces

00:36:16.820 of those choices

00:36:17.740 and they freak out

00:36:18.920 and they don't know

00:36:19.420 what to do about that

00:36:20.320 because it turns out

00:36:21.080 that people really

00:36:22.020 do need structures

00:36:22.880 right

00:36:23.160 they really do need

00:36:23.920 the roles

00:36:24.340 that religion

00:36:24.820 tends to provide

00:36:25.700 religion has inherited

00:36:26.760 wisdom of the past

00:36:27.740 and what they found

00:36:28.960 and again

00:36:29.400 this is all scientifically based

00:36:30.840 what they found

00:36:31.520 is that cultures

00:36:32.220 that actually have

00:36:33.180 fairly strict roles

00:36:34.320 in which you're expected

00:36:35.400 to do things

00:36:36.060 and you have duties

00:36:36.700 and we kind of know

00:36:37.380 what you're going to do

00:36:37.980 on a day to day basis

00:36:38.840 those cultures

00:36:39.880 have far lower rates

00:36:41.280 of mental illness

00:36:42.080 and suicidal ideation

00:36:43.160 and depression

00:36:43.880 because again

00:36:44.380 you know what you are

00:36:45.720 you know where you lie

00:36:46.800 in society

00:36:47.560 what we really

00:36:48.840 have sort of discovered

00:36:50.140 about human identity

00:36:50.960 is that it's a combination

00:36:51.880 of your biology

00:36:53.260 combined with

00:36:54.240 your sociological

00:36:55.340 kind of inheritance

00:36:56.120 your cultural inheritance

00:36:57.080 combined with

00:36:58.000 what choices you make

00:36:59.320 for yourself

00:36:59.640 but we in the west

00:37:00.600 we've basically done away

00:37:01.500 with the first two things

00:37:02.240 we've done away

00:37:02.700 with biology

00:37:03.200 and the biological

00:37:04.160 constraints placed upon you

00:37:05.320 and we've done away

00:37:06.080 with your cultural inheritance

00:37:07.100 and all you are

00:37:08.120 is just sort of

00:37:08.600 a wandering bag

00:37:10.160 of feelings

00:37:10.920 in which you get to choose

00:37:12.100 all of your own adventures

00:37:13.540 well the problem with that

00:37:14.620 is that that's actually

00:37:15.340 quite depressing

00:37:16.040 people are not built

00:37:17.100 for precisely that

00:37:18.440 now again

00:37:18.920 I think there are people

00:37:19.840 who are severely depressed

00:37:21.440 to the point where

00:37:22.020 you know

00:37:22.400 they're losing weight

00:37:23.280 they can't sleep ever

00:37:24.980 and it's not just

00:37:25.780 sort of a malaise

00:37:26.580 it's something much deeper

00:37:27.460 but I think that

00:37:28.200 just like with any other

00:37:29.280 mental illness in the west

00:37:30.280 we have now

00:37:31.100 expanded the boundaries

00:37:32.740 of that description

00:37:33.720 to include

00:37:34.340 a bunch of behavior

00:37:35.320 that really is

00:37:36.440 either transitory

00:37:37.520 or borderline normal

00:37:38.440 I mean this has happened

00:37:39.140 in nearly every major

00:37:40.180 mental illness

00:37:40.800 in the west

00:37:41.640 and the most obvious example

00:37:42.620 being gender dysphoria

00:37:43.360 right there are people

00:37:44.100 who actually do have

00:37:44.740 gender dysphoria

00:37:45.280 and then there is

00:37:46.140 21% of the population

00:37:47.500 of people under the age of 18

00:37:48.480 identifying as LGBTQ

00:37:49.460 right not the same thing

00:37:50.760 and so what you see

00:37:52.100 is

00:37:52.420 I'm not sure that

00:37:54.800 I'm not sure that

00:37:56.220 25% of people

00:37:57.100 don't have gender dysphoria

00:37:58.120 I'm not sure that

00:37:59.080 50% of people

00:37:59.860 don't have gender dysphoria

00:38:00.840 I mean I think that

00:38:02.020 most children

00:38:03.260 have some

00:38:05.220 amount

00:38:07.480 of gender confusion

00:38:08.920 during their childhood

00:38:10.300 and some of it's

00:38:12.020 fantasy

00:38:12.620 and some of it's

00:38:13.260 much deeper than that

00:38:14.060 and much more

00:38:14.940 prevalent than that

00:38:16.460 but one of the things

00:38:17.560 that I think is that

00:38:18.320 diagnoses themselves

00:38:20.000 amplify the phenomenon

00:38:23.640 so I know many many people

00:38:27.880 who for some brief period

00:38:29.420 of their childhood

00:38:30.100 like to wear their mom's

00:38:31.240 shoes or little girls

00:38:32.600 who like to play in the

00:38:33.680 dirt outside

00:38:34.320 and would literally say

00:38:36.280 things like

00:38:36.640 I want to be a boy

00:38:37.660 when I grow up

00:38:38.480 and they didn't have

00:38:40.820 anything that needed

00:38:41.460 to be diagnosed

00:38:42.120 they didn't have anything

00:38:43.360 that needed to be

00:38:44.060 identified

00:38:44.740 and therefore

00:38:45.780 substantified

00:38:47.780 in the very act

00:38:51.420 and I think this

00:38:52.160 with other kinds

00:38:52.780 of mental illness too

00:38:53.560 I think with depression

00:38:54.460 I know many many many

00:38:55.880 people who

00:38:56.980 and I think Matt

00:38:57.760 this goes to your point

00:38:58.460 I don't want to be

00:38:58.940 too broad with this

00:38:59.980 and suggest that there

00:39:00.840 is no mental illness

00:39:01.600 because of course there is

00:39:02.520 I don't want to suggest

00:39:03.360 that I'm opposed to

00:39:04.060 all medical intervention

00:39:04.980 because I'm not

00:39:05.720 but I do think

00:39:06.600 in the vast majority

00:39:07.300 of cases

00:39:07.780 the person who has

00:39:09.900 the problem

00:39:10.520 is in some ways

00:39:11.760 the least credible

00:39:12.780 voice

00:39:13.480 on the nature

00:39:14.360 of the problem

00:39:14.880 right

00:39:15.400 and so many people

00:39:16.440 who I think

00:39:16.860 are good

00:39:17.500 thoughtful

00:39:17.940 I have respect

00:39:18.880 for them

00:39:19.180 I have affection

00:39:19.840 for them

00:39:20.260 will say

00:39:20.880 well you don't

00:39:21.800 understand

00:39:22.280 what I'm going

00:39:23.340 through

00:39:23.560 and I always

00:39:24.240 want to say

00:39:24.540 back to them

00:39:25.020 well you don't

00:39:25.780 understand

00:39:26.100 what I'm going

00:39:26.820 through

00:39:27.020 like it's the

00:39:27.940 nature of being

00:39:28.720 a human being

00:39:29.460 that we don't

00:39:29.900 understand other

00:39:30.440 people

00:39:30.760 you're expecting

00:39:32.240 me to accept

00:39:33.200 that your plight

00:39:34.120 is completely

00:39:36.440 distinct from my

00:39:37.340 plight

00:39:37.660 which I doubt

00:39:39.020 I find that

00:39:39.500 somewhat unscriptural

00:39:40.480 and nothing

00:39:42.260 in my observation

00:39:43.100 of life

00:39:43.480 really holds

00:39:44.040 that up

00:39:44.440 and worse

00:39:45.920 which I

00:39:46.420 you know

00:39:46.900 with some

00:39:47.900 very specific

00:39:48.460 physical

00:39:48.880 maybe you're

00:39:49.560 physically being

00:39:50.480 abused or something

00:39:51.120 I think what's

00:39:52.340 really happening

00:39:53.000 for many people

00:39:54.060 is that they're

00:39:54.440 dealing with

00:39:54.840 the confusion

00:39:55.400 that comes

00:39:55.840 from being

00:39:56.220 a human

00:39:56.600 on the earth

00:39:57.280 and then as

00:39:58.340 soon as you

00:39:58.780 draw a box

00:39:59.340 around it

00:39:59.700 and give a

00:40:00.060 label to it

00:40:00.660 and provide

00:40:01.400 even the hope

00:40:02.380 of a way out

00:40:03.100 by way of

00:40:03.720 these medical

00:40:05.020 interventions

00:40:05.600 in many ways

00:40:06.960 you've now

00:40:07.400 subjected them

00:40:08.260 to the horror

00:40:08.700 of this thing

00:40:09.120 forever

00:40:09.440 I've said it

00:40:10.180 I want to

00:40:11.240 kick it to Matt

00:40:11.780 so I'll end

00:40:12.400 with this

00:40:12.680 but

00:40:13.100 I hate

00:40:14.740 Alcoholics Anonymous

00:40:15.680 I know many

00:40:16.400 people who've

00:40:16.860 been helped

00:40:17.280 by Alcoholics Anonymous

00:40:18.560 and thank God

00:40:19.200 for it

00:40:19.640 when I say

00:40:20.280 I hate it

00:40:20.700 I mean it

00:40:21.060 kind of on a

00:40:21.480 philosophical level

00:40:22.360 I hate the idea

00:40:23.760 of someone who has

00:40:25.140 not had a drink

00:40:25.880 in 25 years

00:40:27.020 saying

00:40:28.080 I am an

00:40:29.380 alcoholic

00:40:29.880 because what

00:40:30.860 they're doing

00:40:31.300 is that they're

00:40:31.880 taking their

00:40:32.740 problem

00:40:33.240 and making

00:40:34.000 their problem

00:40:34.620 central to their

00:40:35.560 identity

00:40:35.980 even decades

00:40:37.720 after

00:40:38.140 having

00:40:39.080 in a

00:40:40.260 practical sense

00:40:42.060 overcome

00:40:43.380 the problem

00:40:44.000 itself

00:40:44.340 I don't think

00:40:45.180 you could ever

00:40:45.660 have healing

00:40:46.380 from alcoholism

00:40:47.600 if you are

00:40:48.060 an alcoholic

00:40:48.620 I grew up

00:40:49.420 around Catholics

00:40:50.120 and Baptists

00:40:50.620 I came from

00:40:51.020 a very little

00:40:51.500 a very German

00:40:52.700 influenced town

00:40:53.420 and it's all

00:40:54.000 German Catholics

00:40:54.640 and German

00:40:55.140 Baptists

00:40:56.140 in my little

00:40:57.180 hometown

00:40:57.500 the Baptists

00:40:59.260 always say

00:41:00.040 and listen

00:41:00.740 I go to a

00:41:01.340 Baptist church

00:41:01.820 today

00:41:02.080 I love

00:41:02.860 many many

00:41:04.300 Baptists

00:41:04.720 I guess

00:41:05.140 myself included

00:41:05.780 but the Baptists

00:41:07.940 will commonly

00:41:08.940 say

00:41:09.340 I'm a sinner

00:41:10.040 saved by grace

00:41:11.040 and there's a

00:41:12.020 kind of humility

00:41:12.620 to that statement

00:41:13.320 that I really

00:41:13.860 like

00:41:14.240 except for the

00:41:15.240 emphasis

00:41:15.580 I think that

00:41:16.620 if one identifies

00:41:17.760 themselves primarily

00:41:19.120 as a sinner

00:41:20.640 then the natural

00:41:21.920 expectation from

00:41:22.940 them is sin

00:41:23.960 if one identifies

00:41:24.980 themselves as

00:41:25.760 depressed

00:41:26.280 the natural thing

00:41:27.400 that you might

00:41:27.800 expect from them

00:41:28.640 is depression

00:41:29.580 if one identifies

00:41:30.380 themselves as an

00:41:31.120 alcoholic

00:41:31.500 the natural

00:41:32.380 state of being

00:41:33.240 for them

00:41:33.740 is to imbibe

00:41:35.000 large amounts

00:41:35.560 of alcohol

00:41:36.000 unhealthy amounts

00:41:36.560 of alcohol

00:41:36.980 when we

00:41:38.120 make someone's

00:41:39.620 identity

00:41:40.080 their problem

00:41:40.880 we cannot

00:41:41.600 possibly expect

00:41:42.560 them ever

00:41:43.000 to have relief

00:41:43.580 from that

00:41:43.940 problem

00:41:44.320 I think

00:41:45.280 to the point

00:41:46.800 about

00:41:47.180 and I hear

00:41:48.080 this all the

00:41:48.500 time too

00:41:48.920 that well

00:41:49.420 you should be

00:41:50.080 talking about

00:41:50.560 depression

00:41:50.920 or anxiety

00:41:51.420 because you're

00:41:52.300 not going

00:41:52.600 through it

00:41:53.000 there's such

00:41:53.960 an arrogance

00:41:54.560 to that

00:41:56.240 because I

00:41:56.660 always say

00:41:57.040 do you really

00:41:57.800 think

00:41:58.240 that I've

00:41:59.340 never experienced

00:42:00.080 depression

00:42:00.620 or anxiety

00:42:01.180 do you think

00:42:02.080 there's any

00:42:02.520 human on earth

00:42:03.260 who hasn't

00:42:04.160 and then the

00:42:04.480 response is

00:42:04.820 well it's not

00:42:05.280 like I

00:42:05.620 experience it

00:42:06.180 first of all

00:42:07.040 how the hell

00:42:07.600 do you know

00:42:08.020 that

00:42:08.320 and second

00:42:09.480 if you have

00:42:09.940 any understanding

00:42:10.520 of human nature

00:42:10.980 you should know

00:42:11.420 that everyone

00:42:11.880 struggles with

00:42:12.520 all of these

00:42:13.020 things all the

00:42:14.080 time

00:42:14.420 now

00:42:15.020 I don't

00:42:16.460 I think

00:42:17.140 we talk about

00:42:17.820 well how

00:42:18.500 should a human

00:42:19.040 feel

00:42:19.380 and that is

00:42:19.920 the question

00:42:21.400 that we have

00:42:22.220 farmed out

00:42:22.780 to the

00:42:23.240 psychiatry industry

00:42:24.600 we farmed it

00:42:25.360 out to the

00:42:25.620 pharmaceutical companies

00:42:26.240 and we've

00:42:26.660 decided that

00:42:27.120 oh they have

00:42:27.580 an answer to that

00:42:28.200 even though

00:42:28.640 it's a deeply

00:42:29.360 like philosophical

00:42:30.400 abstract question

00:42:31.940 there's no reason

00:42:32.520 why they would be

00:42:33.000 experts on how

00:42:33.620 people are supposed

00:42:34.280 to feel or think

00:42:35.480 my answer is

00:42:36.780 I think people

00:42:37.420 are supposed to

00:42:38.220 be happy

00:42:38.580 we're supposed

00:42:38.880 to be joyful

00:42:39.400 even

00:42:39.680 we're supposed

00:42:40.040 to be content

00:42:41.140 but that is

00:42:42.440 not a natural

00:42:44.340 automatic response

00:42:46.040 to just raw

00:42:47.300 human existence

00:42:48.440 yeah

00:42:48.880 the natural

00:42:49.900 human response

00:42:50.460 I mean you know

00:42:50.960 one of the things

00:42:51.480 yeah the natural

00:42:52.820 human response

00:42:53.300 to existence

00:42:54.620 itself

00:42:55.360 especially if you

00:42:56.480 take out any

00:42:57.100 sense of meaning

00:42:57.980 you take religion

00:42:58.740 you take all

00:42:59.180 that out of it

00:42:59.560 the natural

00:43:00.140 response is

00:43:01.000 despair

00:43:01.980 and anxiety

00:43:03.600 and dread

00:43:04.300 there's a

00:43:05.080 Norm Macdonald

00:43:06.100 has a bit

00:43:07.120 that I saw

00:43:07.620 was making

00:43:08.480 the rounds

00:43:08.780 recently

00:43:09.140 where he was

00:43:09.660 saying

00:43:09.980 when someone

00:43:11.240 commits suicide

00:43:12.220 everyone always

00:43:12.900 says well I

00:43:13.480 don't understand

00:43:13.920 why they did it

00:43:14.700 but really

00:43:15.640 you don't

00:43:15.900 understand

00:43:16.220 it sounds

00:43:18.400 kind of morbid

00:43:18.960 but first of all

00:43:19.780 it's actually

00:43:20.020 very empathetic

00:43:20.820 and it's true

00:43:21.740 his point is that

00:43:22.520 well of course

00:43:23.360 at some level

00:43:23.980 you can understand

00:43:24.680 why somebody

00:43:25.100 would despair

00:43:25.540 of existence

00:43:26.020 if you're a

00:43:26.860 human being

00:43:27.380 and you've

00:43:27.720 lived this

00:43:28.120 life

00:43:28.560 to be or

00:43:29.100 not to be

00:43:29.540 actually is the

00:43:30.240 question

00:43:30.380 Ben?

00:43:33.140 You know

00:43:33.680 there's something

00:43:34.300 else here too

00:43:35.220 and that is that

00:43:35.980 when it comes to

00:43:36.720 mental illness

00:43:37.180 and I've

00:43:37.800 unfortunately had to

00:43:38.560 deal with

00:43:38.960 mental illness

00:43:39.880 in my family

00:43:41.020 extended family

00:43:41.820 when you deal

00:43:43.380 with mental illness

00:43:44.000 one of the ways

00:43:44.640 that I

00:43:45.440 I can speak

00:43:46.440 sort of personally

00:43:46.980 here

00:43:47.160 one of the ways

00:43:47.840 that I think

00:43:48.720 you can tell

00:43:49.120 when somebody

00:43:49.520 really does need

00:43:50.520 help

00:43:50.980 and we're not

00:43:51.440 talking about

00:43:52.000 somebody who

00:43:52.800 is just feeling

00:43:53.840 some sort of angst

00:43:54.620 and goes to the

00:43:55.260 doctor for a pill

00:43:55.820 is that outsiders

00:43:57.280 can tell

00:43:58.260 there are

00:43:58.620 verifiable signs

00:43:59.620 from the outside

00:44:00.320 you can tell

00:44:00.800 by behavioral

00:44:01.600 characteristics

00:44:02.260 that this person

00:44:03.180 needs help

00:44:03.480 and one of the

00:44:03.940 main characteristics

00:44:04.640 that I've seen

00:44:05.280 at least

00:44:05.620 when in dealing

00:44:06.560 with people

00:44:07.380 who are friends

00:44:07.960 and family

00:44:08.480 who are mentally

00:44:09.160 ill

00:44:09.320 is that they

00:44:09.740 themselves

00:44:10.040 can't tell

00:44:10.900 this happens

00:44:11.780 a lot

00:44:12.220 where people

00:44:12.840 are so

00:44:13.880 they're extraordinarily

00:44:15.020 deeply anxious

00:44:15.840 and they can't

00:44:17.060 even tell how

00:44:17.600 anxious they are

00:44:18.160 because they're

00:44:18.500 so inside their

00:44:19.080 own head

00:44:19.300 or they're so

00:44:19.640 deeply depressed

00:44:20.220 that they can't

00:44:20.900 tell they haven't

00:44:21.340 been eating

00:44:21.680 for days

00:44:22.740 on end

00:44:23.280 or they're

00:44:24.280 so obsessive

00:44:25.380 about things

00:44:25.840 that they can't

00:44:26.340 tell that this

00:44:26.840 is coming from

00:44:27.320 outside

00:44:27.620 they think it's

00:44:28.040 a true desire

00:44:28.720 to just

00:44:29.360 for example

00:44:30.180 organize and

00:44:30.840 organize and

00:44:31.280 organize

00:44:31.540 these are all

00:44:32.280 things that have

00:44:32.820 some verifiable

00:44:33.440 component

00:44:33.880 one of the

00:44:34.240 things that

00:44:34.500 we've done

00:44:34.820 with mental

00:44:35.760 illness

00:44:36.040 is something

00:44:36.380 that we've

00:44:36.680 done generally

00:44:37.240 which is

00:44:37.660 we've looked

00:44:38.560 to the emotional

00:44:39.600 self-definition

00:44:40.540 of people

00:44:41.140 and said

00:44:41.460 you get to

00:44:41.940 be your own

00:44:42.520 best resource

00:44:43.080 one thing we

00:44:43.820 know

00:44:44.100 from every

00:44:45.160 social science

00:44:45.700 study ever done

00:44:46.240 is that the

00:44:46.580 worst form of

00:44:47.260 social science

00:44:47.780 is self-reports

00:44:48.460 whenever you're

00:44:49.260 self-reporting

00:44:49.860 about your

00:44:50.160 own status

00:44:50.740 people are

00:44:51.320 really bad

00:44:51.800 at this

00:44:52.040 when we say

00:44:53.120 I know myself

00:44:53.820 the best

00:44:54.120 that's actually

00:44:54.560 not true

00:44:54.940 probably the

00:44:55.460 people who

00:44:55.720 are closest

00:44:56.080 to you

00:44:56.500 know you

00:44:57.240 better than

00:44:57.660 you do

00:44:57.980 because you

00:44:59.120 have a

00:45:00.180 bizarrely

00:45:00.720 subjective view

00:45:01.380 of yourself

00:45:01.800 you tend to

00:45:02.400 inflate certain

00:45:02.920 parts of yourself

00:45:03.560 and deflate

00:45:04.060 certain parts

00:45:04.540 of yourself

00:45:04.900 and so when it

00:45:05.680 comes to

00:45:06.180 the sort of

00:45:06.860 mental condition

00:45:07.460 you're in

00:45:07.840 one of the

00:45:08.180 dangers that we

00:45:08.800 have very often

00:45:09.500 is people who

00:45:10.420 are self-diagnosing

00:45:11.280 and then they go

00:45:11.740 to the doctor

00:45:12.260 and the doctor

00:45:12.880 actually isn't

00:45:13.340 diagnosing them

00:45:13.920 they're coming

00:45:14.220 in and they're

00:45:14.540 saying I feel

00:45:15.420 depressed

00:45:15.820 I need a pill

00:45:16.580 and the doctor

00:45:17.280 because the

00:45:17.760 doctor doesn't

00:45:18.220 have the sort

00:45:18.860 of humility

00:45:19.280 to say you

00:45:20.220 know I'm not

00:45:21.440 sure that that's

00:45:22.080 the case right

00:45:22.680 we actually have

00:45:23.200 to check into

00:45:23.780 this they just

00:45:24.500 say okay well

00:45:25.040 you say that

00:45:25.740 you're your own

00:45:26.440 best advocate

00:45:26.960 right you're

00:45:27.300 taught that

00:45:27.980 patients are

00:45:28.420 supposed to be

00:45:28.840 their own best

00:45:29.280 advocate

00:45:29.620 if a patient

00:45:30.220 comes in

00:45:30.580 complaining of

00:45:30.980 knee pain

00:45:31.240 you don't

00:45:31.460 go well

00:45:31.820 you know let's

00:45:32.360 assess whether

00:45:32.760 you really do

00:45:33.200 have the knee

00:45:33.540 pain you assume

00:45:33.960 the knee pain

00:45:34.320 is real

00:45:34.660 but knee pain

00:45:35.340 is not quite

00:45:36.000 the same thing

00:45:36.780 as you know

00:45:38.680 psychic or

00:45:39.980 emotional pain

00:45:41.260 those are not

00:45:41.640 the same thing

00:45:42.260 at all

00:45:44.540 are the ones

00:45:45.380 who require

00:45:45.700 the most help

00:45:46.180 are the people

00:45:46.460 who actually

00:45:46.740 can't even

00:45:47.060 recognize that

00:45:47.680 they have the

00:45:47.980 problem in the

00:45:48.360 first place

00:45:48.700 that's particularly

00:45:49.180 true I saw it

00:45:50.040 in my grandfather

00:45:50.600 of schizophrenia

00:45:51.160 people who are

00:45:52.440 schizophrenic cannot

00:45:53.260 tell they have

00:45:53.680 a problem

00:45:53.940 they think they

00:45:54.300 are acting

00:45:54.580 perfectly normally

00:45:55.240 and perfectly

00:45:55.700 naturally and

00:45:56.300 they're not

00:45:56.600 they're delusional

00:45:57.180 and that's why

00:45:58.440 they won't take

00:45:58.860 their meds

00:45:59.540 very often the

00:46:00.120 people who

00:46:00.480 most need the

00:46:01.000 meds are the

00:46:01.320 people who

00:46:01.540 won't take

00:46:01.820 the meds

00:46:02.180 between what

00:46:03.540 Matt is saying

00:46:04.440 and what Ben

00:46:05.080 is saying there

00:46:05.580 is this vast

00:46:06.300 territory that I

00:46:07.240 think is really

00:46:07.940 the problem we have

00:46:08.760 because there's

00:46:09.180 going to be mentally

00:46:09.740 ill people

00:46:10.280 and there's

00:46:10.860 going to be

00:46:11.100 people in despair

00:46:11.920 but yesterday

00:46:13.500 I was talking

00:46:14.360 at YAF

00:46:14.960 and I cited

00:46:16.180 Ben's fantastic

00:46:17.860 creation

00:46:18.640 the rap song

00:46:19.620 LAP

00:46:20.000 he did write

00:46:21.820 that right

00:46:22.080 he did write

00:46:22.520 and I was

00:46:23.800 saying that

00:46:24.640 what a despairing

00:46:25.840 view of human

00:46:26.880 life that is

00:46:27.520 what a terrible

00:46:28.220 ugly view of

00:46:29.240 life that is

00:46:29.740 and it's one

00:46:30.360 thing for some

00:46:31.120 rapper to come

00:46:31.740 out with that

00:46:32.240 but it's another

00:46:32.860 thing when the

00:46:33.400 New York Times

00:46:33.940 and the LA Times

00:46:34.520 says this is a

00:46:35.160 wonderful song

00:46:35.980 this is the song

00:46:36.640 of the year

00:46:37.060 this is a great

00:46:38.020 expression of women's

00:46:38.880 sexuality

00:46:39.320 and you think

00:46:39.840 well now you've

00:46:40.740 got people

00:46:41.220 who are facing

00:46:42.020 the existential

00:46:42.580 pain of life

00:46:43.680 with no support

00:46:44.960 from the authorities

00:46:45.800 with no support

00:46:46.500 from the establishment

00:46:47.160 they're being told

00:46:47.960 that this is what

00:46:48.600 you are

00:46:48.960 this is what

00:46:49.380 you are

00:46:49.740 you're a WAP

00:46:50.500 and that's the

00:46:51.560 central thing

00:46:52.240 you end up

00:46:53.580 then in a state

00:46:54.820 of mental illness

00:46:55.580 that is actually

00:46:56.580 verifiable

00:46:57.200 that's caused

00:46:58.000 by the

00:46:58.320 I actually by the way

00:46:59.600 have a lot more

00:47:00.280 respect for Megan

00:47:01.380 the Stallion

00:47:02.160 than I do for

00:47:03.040 the New York Times

00:47:03.720 because she knows

00:47:05.240 that the song

00:47:05.860 the song is

00:47:06.720 tongue in cheat

00:47:07.400 you and I

00:47:08.860 I can say

00:47:09.260 that we still

00:47:09.720 think it's vulgar

00:47:10.340 we don't like it

00:47:10.980 we don't approve

00:47:11.360 that's all fine

00:47:12.420 but she

00:47:13.260 she's obviously

00:47:14.720 being cheeky

00:47:15.860 only the New York Times

00:47:17.220 elevates it to being

00:47:18.860 an absolute serious

00:47:20.300 work of art

00:47:20.720 my whole point

00:47:21.260 is I do not mind

00:47:22.200 there being an obscene

00:47:23.240 little ditty on the radio

00:47:24.220 it doesn't bother me

00:47:25.020 in the least

00:47:25.420 it bothers me

00:47:26.220 that there's no

00:47:26.920 old men

00:47:27.700 around to say

00:47:28.560 that's a terrible

00:47:29.360 thing to say

00:47:29.900 that's not what

00:47:30.340 you are at all

00:47:30.920 you know what

00:47:31.260 the WAP of it

00:47:32.160 actually ties into

00:47:32.840 something Ben said

00:47:33.740 and it ties into

00:47:34.660 your movie Matt

00:47:35.620 which is

00:47:36.220 it's probably the most

00:47:37.440 interesting part of the movie

00:47:38.480 and no one has talked

00:47:39.800 about it

00:47:40.240 which is when you asked

00:47:41.460 the African tribe

00:47:42.660 you said what is a woman

00:47:43.980 they gave a different

00:47:45.260 answer than the Libs did

00:47:46.900 and a different answer

00:47:47.680 than the conservatives

00:47:48.440 give

00:47:48.840 right the Libs say

00:47:50.220 blah blah blah

00:47:50.940 woman's whatever a woman

00:47:51.840 is whatever a woman

00:47:52.580 is whatever

00:47:52.880 and then the conservatives

00:47:53.820 say well if you have

00:47:54.460 two ex-chromonomes

00:47:55.380 and breasts

00:47:56.480 and womb

00:47:57.680 you're a woman

00:47:58.220 and the Africans

00:47:59.100 didn't say that

00:47:59.780 they defined it

00:48:00.620 in the way Ben

00:48:01.200 was just talking about

00:48:02.120 they said well

00:48:02.780 a woman is someone

00:48:03.700 who does the role

00:48:05.380 of a woman

00:48:06.060 a man is someone

00:48:07.200 who does the role

00:48:08.200 of a man

00:48:08.800 that it's being defined

00:48:09.760 outside of you

00:48:10.720 by other people

00:48:11.540 and by the functions

00:48:13.240 that you have

00:48:13.940 in a political community

00:48:15.160 which is a deeply

00:48:16.460 obviously you expect

00:48:17.460 it of the African tribesmen

00:48:18.300 that's a deeply

00:48:19.220 deeply conservative

00:48:20.140 point of view

00:48:20.740 that even many

00:48:22.000 American conservatives

00:48:23.700 shy away from

00:48:24.920 this is why I think

00:48:25.540 it's hilarious

00:48:26.040 when the trans

00:48:27.320 lefty wackos

00:48:28.800 will say things like

00:48:29.620 gender is a social

00:48:31.140 construct

00:48:31.560 and there are 72

00:48:32.960 of them

00:48:33.380 and one of them

00:48:34.240 is gender queer

00:48:35.660 so I'm supposed

00:48:37.460 to believe that

00:48:38.120 this society

00:48:39.380 which has men's

00:48:40.540 and women's rooms

00:48:41.240 exclusively for

00:48:42.240 going all the way

00:48:42.880 back to the

00:48:43.360 invention of the

00:48:44.180 restroom

00:48:44.540 also constructed

00:48:46.640 gender queer

00:48:47.580 like the thing

00:48:49.660 itself is so

00:48:50.760 if it's a construction

00:48:51.580 then those are out

00:48:52.420 there are only

00:48:53.400 two genders

00:48:54.100 especially if it's

00:48:55.540 a social construct

00:48:56.280 right

00:48:56.680 that's all the

00:48:57.720 social has created

00:48:58.380 I think the answer

00:48:59.680 that they gave me

00:49:00.660 because they did go

00:49:02.200 right to the duties

00:49:02.860 and responsibilities

00:49:03.460 and it took a little

00:49:05.100 bit of talking

00:49:05.620 before they got to

00:49:06.460 well yeah obviously

00:49:07.320 a woman has

00:49:08.300 breasts

00:49:08.660 but what the answer

00:49:10.500 they didn't even

00:49:11.260 think to answer

00:49:11.680 on that level

00:49:12.180 because they figured

00:49:12.700 well why would

00:49:13.080 anyone ask that

00:49:13.580 question

00:49:13.860 they were actually

00:49:15.280 answering the

00:49:15.800 question of

00:49:16.620 what ought a woman

00:49:20.580 be

00:49:20.940 like what should

00:49:22.160 a woman be

00:49:22.740 they're acknowledging

00:49:23.560 gender expression

00:49:24.600 and it's actually

00:49:25.440 maybe conservatives

00:49:26.420 should grant that

00:49:27.860 premise

00:49:28.100 say yes obviously

00:49:29.060 there's such a thing

00:49:29.780 as gender expression

00:49:31.040 and I guess that's

00:49:32.200 a distinct concept

00:49:33.300 from sex

00:49:34.320 it's just

00:49:35.280 there's a relationship

00:49:36.720 they should be

00:49:37.740 pretty close

00:49:38.380 but because they have

00:49:39.460 so they have an idea

00:49:40.460 of what a woman

00:49:41.000 should be

00:49:42.160 what she should do

00:49:43.140 and same for a man

00:49:44.800 and that's one of the

00:49:45.400 reasons why they don't

00:49:46.140 have like Ben pointed out

00:49:47.100 in these societies

00:49:48.180 where they have a

00:49:48.840 strict idea of roles

00:49:50.060 and responsibilities

00:49:50.580 they don't have the

00:49:51.800 mental illness

00:49:52.580 and depression

00:49:53.240 that's a question

00:49:54.680 I actually asked

00:49:55.400 the woman

00:49:55.980 I can't remember

00:49:56.560 if I made it into

00:49:56.940 the film or not

00:49:57.420 do you guys have

00:49:58.460 depression here

00:49:59.120 and she said

00:49:59.520 no we don't have that

00:50:00.260 and that's

00:50:00.840 I think she was being

00:50:01.780 quite quite sincere

00:50:02.700 they just

00:50:03.000 they don't have it

00:50:03.660 because if you're not

00:50:05.100 you know

00:50:05.440 in our society

00:50:06.200 where people are

00:50:06.980 wandering around

00:50:07.920 in this haze

00:50:09.560 all the time

00:50:10.200 they have no idea

00:50:11.860 what they're supposed

00:50:12.500 to be doing

00:50:12.980 or saying

00:50:14.000 or anything

00:50:14.560 and that's going

00:50:15.840 to create anxiety

00:50:16.600 I mean anxiety

00:50:17.220 is the

00:50:17.740 comes from the unknown

00:50:19.220 it comes from

00:50:20.080 from ambiguity

00:50:22.100 and so of course

00:50:23.260 we're a society

00:50:24.160 totally besought

00:50:25.380 by anxiety

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00:51:42.560 I think that we have to

00:51:43.880 move on to other topics

00:51:45.040 but one thing I want to say here

00:51:46.300 is that anytime we have

00:51:47.360 these conversations

00:51:48.420 as conservatives

00:51:49.120 we can be fairly

00:51:51.480 absolutists

00:51:52.160 as conservatives

00:51:52.700 that's because we're

00:51:53.240 reactionary

00:51:53.880 definitionally

00:51:54.780 and we're reacting

00:51:55.800 to over

00:51:56.640 to overreaching

00:51:58.460 positions taken

00:51:59.260 by the left

00:52:00.220 one thing that I think

00:52:01.180 is important

00:52:01.600 is that we not let

00:52:02.220 our ideology

00:52:02.800 actually create

00:52:04.620 a framework

00:52:05.140 and suggest that

00:52:06.040 God has to operate

00:52:06.800 in it

00:52:07.120 there are obviously

00:52:07.840 people who have

00:52:08.320 experiences that

00:52:09.140 we can't relate to

00:52:11.040 that we can't observe

00:52:11.820 there are people

00:52:12.320 also we do live

00:52:13.620 in a society

00:52:14.140 we don't live

00:52:14.840 on the plains of Africa

00:52:15.740 I'm fairly grateful

00:52:16.860 for that because

00:52:17.640 they have all kinds

00:52:18.920 of problems

00:52:19.200 that we don't have

00:52:19.800 and I'm glad

00:52:20.240 that we don't have

00:52:20.980 in our society

00:52:24.100 whatever the root cause

00:52:25.440 of things like

00:52:26.220 mental illness is

00:52:27.140 we can't deny

00:52:27.900 that we're a mentally

00:52:29.080 ill society

00:52:29.940 and that there are

00:52:30.380 a lot of people

00:52:30.780 who need our empathy

00:52:31.980 and so I know

00:52:33.980 that a lot of people

00:52:34.600 watching us

00:52:36.100 have this conversation

00:52:36.940 feel that in some ways

00:52:38.700 we're saying that

00:52:39.400 they are wrong

00:52:40.480 and perhaps in some ways

00:52:42.180 we are suggesting

00:52:42.900 that they

00:52:43.260 in what sense

00:52:44.480 that they may be

00:52:45.100 well because

00:52:45.520 that they shouldn't

00:52:46.360 take all these drugs

00:52:47.060 they shouldn't

00:52:47.500 take these drugs

00:52:48.120 or they just need

00:52:49.000 to get over it

00:52:49.720 or they just need

00:52:50.320 to go to church more

00:52:51.000 they need to pray

00:52:51.440 whatever it is

00:52:52.620 people often think

00:52:53.760 that we're trying

00:52:54.160 to reduce their

00:52:54.760 experience out of existence

00:52:55.780 and that's not

00:52:57.300 what we're saying

00:52:57.860 what we're saying

00:52:58.620 is in a funny way

00:53:00.840 we're saying

00:53:01.580 there are more things

00:53:02.340 in heaven and earth

00:53:03.020 than are dreamt of

00:53:03.720 in our current philosophy

00:53:05.560 and that a lot of the things

00:53:06.960 that people are experiencing

00:53:08.480 are not caused

00:53:10.020 by the things

00:53:10.540 that they've been told

00:53:11.240 that they have been caused by

00:53:12.320 and the answers

00:53:13.160 may not lie

00:53:14.620 in the direction

00:53:15.140 that they've been told

00:53:15.720 on the very point Jeremy

00:53:17.000 you know

00:53:17.640 Marx famously said

00:53:18.960 religion is the opium

00:53:21.420 of the people

00:53:22.320 and in a way

00:53:23.540 I guess that's true

00:53:24.820 it's at least

00:53:26.000 a good medicine

00:53:27.280 that is fixing something

00:53:28.380 but when you take religion

00:53:29.620 out of the picture

00:53:30.140 when you take God

00:53:30.680 out of the picture

00:53:31.240 do you know what

00:53:32.200 the opium of the people is?

00:53:33.760 Opium

00:53:33.900 It's opium

00:53:34.420 it's literally opioids

00:53:35.580 in our culture

00:53:36.220 We're also

00:53:36.940 to borrow a phrase

00:53:38.160 from the left

00:53:38.580 I think

00:53:39.000 what we're talking about

00:53:40.760 validates

00:53:41.540 it's actually very validating

00:53:42.880 to someone

00:53:43.220 if you're struggling

00:53:44.060 with depression

00:53:44.580 you hear this conversation

00:53:45.460 yeah oftentimes

00:53:46.600 people respond

00:53:47.340 by saying

00:53:48.140 well you're saying

00:53:48.820 I don't really have this

00:53:49.600 or you're minimizing

00:53:50.280 I think it's quite the opposite

00:53:51.620 where it's the people

00:53:53.380 that medicalize it automatically

00:53:54.660 that I think

00:53:55.200 are minimizing it

00:53:56.800 I mean they're

00:53:57.440 what they're saying

00:53:58.500 is well you feel this way

00:53:59.640 you shouldn't feel that way

00:54:00.880 that's crazy

00:54:01.580 here's a drug

00:54:02.560 to make it go away

00:54:03.360 what I'm saying

00:54:04.940 is exactly the opposite

00:54:06.460 it's like you're not crazy

00:54:07.440 for feeling this way

00:54:08.260 it's a very deep

00:54:09.320 and serious problem

00:54:10.280 but I think we need

00:54:11.500 to explore solutions

00:54:12.800 to it

00:54:13.300 that are

00:54:13.760 different from just a pill

00:54:15.640 it's important to say

00:54:17.140 that what Ben says

00:54:18.060 is absolutely true

00:54:18.720 there are people

00:54:19.200 that the drugs help

00:54:20.260 there are people

00:54:21.020 who have a chronic condition

00:54:23.240 that is not related

00:54:25.040 to life

00:54:25.880 that's not related

00:54:26.520 to their situation

00:54:27.740 however I will say

00:54:29.220 as somebody

00:54:29.660 who in my youth

00:54:30.480 suffered from

00:54:31.360 a true mental illness

00:54:32.620 I mean I believe

00:54:33.180 that I'm the subject

00:54:34.100 of a miracle

00:54:34.980 I mean I was actually

00:54:35.880 cured of mental illness

00:54:36.940 I'm so glad

00:54:38.700 the drugs hadn't been

00:54:39.500 invented then

00:54:40.080 because they would have

00:54:40.660 given to me

00:54:41.180 I was sleeping

00:54:42.180 like 12

00:54:42.680 you talk about

00:54:43.240 the fact that I got

00:54:44.020 all my sleep

00:54:44.500 it's true

00:54:44.840 I was sleeping

00:54:45.160 like 12, 13, 15

00:54:46.140 hours a day

00:54:46.740 I was incredibly depressed

00:54:48.020 and just talking

00:54:49.780 to somebody

00:54:50.380 who knew what he was doing

00:54:51.580 and who inspired me

00:54:53.120 and who gave me

00:54:53.960 a father figure

00:54:54.860 that I'd never had

00:54:55.580 you know

00:54:56.040 that actually healed me

00:54:57.400 that actually miraculously

00:54:58.900 healed me

00:54:59.140 well I'm so glad

00:54:59.620 that they weren't

00:55:00.080 drugging us

00:55:00.620 I'm so glad

00:55:01.180 that they weren't

00:55:01.820 diagnosing us

00:55:02.480 with transgenderism

00:55:03.380 I'm so grateful

00:55:04.620 that they didn't say

00:55:05.240 that we were all gay

00:55:06.060 every time

00:55:07.260 that we had

00:55:07.720 outside of orthodox thought

00:55:10.440 I grew up

00:55:12.120 in a time

00:55:12.720 where you had

00:55:13.200 the opportunity

00:55:14.680 to go through

00:55:16.460 the human experience

00:55:17.240 without suddenly

00:55:18.120 having it become

00:55:18.760 your identity

00:55:19.300 and I'm so

00:55:20.380 I think the great

00:55:21.140 tragedy of our time

00:55:22.060 that's really such a

00:55:22.960 sorry Ben go ahead

00:55:24.760 that really is such a key

00:55:26.220 is the idea

00:55:26.900 that it's very funny

00:55:28.160 we're a society

00:55:28.900 that focuses in

00:55:29.660 a lot on choice

00:55:30.480 but then it's kind of

00:55:31.880 a one size fits all

00:55:32.820 approach to all

00:55:33.760 of these problems

00:55:34.460 is to pathologize

00:55:35.980 and medicalize

00:55:37.340 all the problems

00:55:38.240 I think what

00:55:39.080 we're all saying

00:55:39.760 I hope

00:55:40.340 is sort of

00:55:40.940 the same thing

00:55:41.520 which is

00:55:41.900 you know

00:55:42.340 why not investigate

00:55:43.220 all the options

00:55:44.860 before you get to

00:55:45.860 before you get to

00:55:46.620 this last one

00:55:47.620 and I think

00:55:48.000 the sort of

00:55:48.660 fundamental move

00:55:50.360 of the medical

00:55:51.080 establishment

00:55:51.600 for a long time

00:55:52.560 here has been

00:55:52.960 to make this

00:55:53.360 first priority

00:55:53.900 now

00:55:54.120 there can be

00:55:54.520 a lot of people

00:55:54.960 who are going

00:55:55.360 to go through

00:55:55.680 a bunch of

00:55:55.980 different options

00:55:56.540 and you know

00:55:57.700 those people

00:55:58.240 may need medicine

00:55:59.220 those people

00:55:59.660 may need drugs

00:56:00.360 in order to help

00:56:00.900 but this is where

00:56:02.420 and after

00:56:03.380 and after

00:56:05.000 why not explore

00:56:06.340 a range of different

00:56:07.600 potential solutions

00:56:08.500 to your problem

00:56:09.000 before being medicated

00:56:09.940 and after being medicated

00:56:12.480 it may very well

00:56:13.460 be the case

00:56:13.860 that a person

00:56:14.760 needs something

00:56:15.480 to help them reset

00:56:16.500 that was always

00:56:17.720 the argument

00:56:18.120 when they started

00:56:18.800 that's right

00:56:19.640 but you know

00:56:20.420 it does

00:56:20.980 I keep going back

00:56:22.120 to the culture

00:56:22.680 because I think

00:56:23.080 it's not so much

00:56:24.280 about the individual

00:56:25.480 with mental illness

00:56:26.440 as we're all saying

00:56:27.820 I think there could

00:56:28.540 be a variety

00:56:29.560 I think the culture

00:56:30.580 is mentally ill

00:56:31.340 I think we are

00:56:32.080 living in a culture

00:56:32.960 and it's not just

00:56:33.700 the freedom

00:56:34.160 it's not just

00:56:35.160 the idea

00:56:35.840 that we can do

00:56:36.760 more things

00:56:37.440 than people

00:56:37.760 could do before

00:56:38.500 it's that

00:56:39.200 our system

00:56:40.600 of elders

00:56:42.620 passing down

00:56:43.560 traditions

00:56:44.020 our systems

00:56:44.620 of loving

00:56:45.280 our traditions

00:56:45.860 of paying tribute

00:56:47.200 to the fact

00:56:47.780 that we're human beings

00:56:48.680 and that we can love

00:56:50.120 and that we do have

00:56:50.700 these spiritual experiences

00:56:52.000 all of that

00:56:52.540 has been like

00:56:53.040 brutally I think

00:56:54.620 destroyed

00:56:55.140 just in the last

00:56:55.940 20 to 30 years

00:56:57.000 even the conservatives

00:56:57.860 have done this

00:56:58.680 I mean this is

00:56:59.160 yes I agree

00:56:59.940 when we make fun

00:57:01.020 of Hillary Clinton

00:57:01.660 because she says

00:57:02.160 it takes a village

00:57:02.860 and what she means

00:57:03.620 by that is

00:57:04.040 give me your kids

00:57:04.700 I'm going to do

00:57:05.200 whatever I want you

00:57:05.840 but it obviously

00:57:07.140 takes a village

00:57:07.800 to raise a child

00:57:08.560 it takes a village

00:57:09.480 to trans a child too

00:57:10.780 and that's what

00:57:11.160 the village is doing

00:57:11.900 right now

00:57:12.300 and that's why

00:57:12.840 one in five kids

00:57:13.600 are saying that

00:57:14.140 they're queer

00:57:14.720 or transgender

00:57:15.380 and so it is

00:57:17.060 beyond just a personal

00:57:18.220 or even a family issue

00:57:19.260 it is a political

00:57:20.340 problem as well

00:57:21.100 and it's a cultural

00:57:21.640 problem to your point

00:57:22.520 we need to reset

00:57:24.160 those kinds of roles

00:57:25.800 and that just basic

00:57:27.060 normality

00:57:28.220 if we want to

00:57:28.960 improve

00:57:29.920 so

00:57:30.820 there's a joy

00:57:32.440 in being rooted

00:57:33.040 you know

00:57:33.680 this is something

00:57:34.400 that every kid

00:57:35.240 inherently knows

00:57:36.020 which is why

00:57:36.380 divorce really

00:57:36.940 is so devastating

00:57:37.620 for children

00:57:38.080 and Emil Durkheim

00:57:39.540 who is one of the

00:57:40.380 founders of

00:57:40.900 sort of

00:57:41.440 psychological

00:57:42.640 societal study

00:57:44.080 Durkheim suggested

00:57:45.880 that societies

00:57:46.980 could suffer from

00:57:47.580 anime

00:57:47.880 which was this

00:57:48.500 condition of

00:57:49.120 sort of

00:57:49.760 malaise

00:57:50.320 that led to

00:57:50.880 very high levels

00:57:51.960 of suicidal ideation

00:57:52.960 and one of the

00:57:53.400 things that

00:57:53.800 he said led to

00:57:54.880 this

00:57:55.100 was a society

00:57:55.980 that had rejected

00:57:56.620 traditions

00:57:57.220 and had made

00:57:58.280 people feel

00:57:58.820 not embedded

00:57:59.580 in any sort

00:58:00.700 of culture

00:58:01.560 or system

00:58:02.200 that gave them

00:58:03.180 that feeling

00:58:03.700 of rootedness

00:58:04.200 and we used

00:58:04.480 to get that

00:58:04.760 feeling of rootedness

00:58:05.360 from a thousand

00:58:06.140 different places

00:58:06.640 you got it

00:58:07.040 from your

00:58:07.540 grandparents

00:58:07.940 who lived

00:58:08.520 probably with you

00:58:09.600 you got it

00:58:10.180 from your parents

00:58:10.740 who were bringing

00:58:11.660 you up

00:58:12.140 you got it

00:58:12.760 from your

00:58:13.120 neighbors

00:58:13.440 who all knew

00:58:13.960 your name

00:58:14.440 and followed

00:58:14.900 you when you

00:58:15.380 were a child

00:58:15.900 over the course

00:58:16.540 of your childhood

00:58:17.100 you got it

00:58:17.980 from your church

00:58:18.540 and from your

00:58:18.960 synagogue

00:58:19.260 where you used

00:58:19.840 to go every day

00:58:20.460 and where everybody

00:58:20.960 knew each other

00:58:21.440 you got it

00:58:21.840 from your school

00:58:22.340 where the same

00:58:22.840 teachers taught

00:58:23.380 there for 20 years

00:58:24.140 and you knew

00:58:24.740 the teacher

00:58:25.120 and you'd see them

00:58:25.580 in the supermarket

00:58:29.580 because the truth

00:58:30.380 is that you'd

00:58:31.100 go into an office

00:58:31.760 you'd know most

00:58:32.300 of the people

00:58:32.600 you'd work with

00:58:33.080 and then you'd

00:58:33.420 go to a bowling

00:58:33.920 league after that

00:58:34.700 well how many

00:58:36.060 of the threads

00:58:37.760 of that fabric

00:58:38.340 have now been cut

00:58:39.400 by a society

00:58:40.180 that has decided

00:58:40.920 that in the name

00:58:41.780 of freedom

00:58:42.120 we have to

00:58:42.680 because all of

00:58:43.440 those things

00:58:43.780 fixed you into place

00:58:44.660 well it's true

00:58:45.240 all those things

00:58:45.700 fix you into place

00:58:46.540 but you know what

00:58:47.300 people need fixedness

00:58:48.580 I know that we like

00:58:49.640 to think of ourselves

00:58:50.240 as sort of atoms

00:58:50.940 that are freely

00:58:51.420 floating out there

00:58:52.080 this is what choice

00:58:52.780 is about

00:58:53.160 even we on the right

00:58:54.140 we use the notions

00:58:55.140 of rights and liberty

00:58:56.140 and this is what

00:58:56.940 is supposed to make

00:58:57.520 us most fully human

00:58:58.180 is the rights

00:58:59.580 truth is rights

00:59:00.120 and liberty

00:59:00.420 have to exist

00:59:01.140 within the fixed

00:59:02.060 confines of an

00:59:03.040 embedded existence

00:59:03.860 human beings are

00:59:04.940 meant to be embedded

00:59:05.940 in bodies politic

00:59:07.620 they're meant to be

00:59:08.340 embedded in families

00:59:09.720 in communities

00:59:10.500 in churches

00:59:11.180 in synagogues

00:59:11.760 we all get a feeling

00:59:12.680 of fulfillment from that

00:59:13.760 and when we don't

00:59:14.400 have those feelings

00:59:15.020 of fulfillment

00:59:15.420 we look for them

00:59:16.040 in really really bad

00:59:17.320 and ugly places

00:59:18.100 and if we don't

00:59:18.600 find it anywhere

00:59:19.200 then we just end up

00:59:20.360 kind of wandering

00:59:21.020 around aimlessly

00:59:21.720 and that has some

00:59:22.420 really serious

00:59:22.960 psychological consequences

00:59:24.060 and bouncing around

00:59:26.260 in the physical world

00:59:27.140 is to Matt's point

00:59:28.120 uncomfortable

00:59:28.740 one of the major

00:59:30.240 problems with this

00:59:31.260 new world

00:59:31.860 where we find

00:59:32.340 all of our community

00:59:33.120 not in community

00:59:33.900 we find all of our

00:59:35.060 community digitally

00:59:35.900 meaning we never

00:59:36.900 really have to

00:59:37.940 interact

00:59:38.480 in real physical

00:59:40.440 space

00:59:41.000 with our community

00:59:42.620 and one of the

00:59:43.680 results of that

00:59:44.760 is that we never

00:59:45.380 develop actual

00:59:46.540 the sort of

00:59:47.840 social

00:59:48.480 the robust

00:59:51.220 social skills

00:59:52.100 right

00:59:52.340 the ability

00:59:53.120 to deal with

00:59:53.980 discomfort

00:59:54.360 to deal with

00:59:54.880 insecurity

00:59:55.340 to deal with

00:59:55.940 anxiety

00:59:56.480 and roles

00:59:57.360 who are you

00:59:58.340 in your friend

00:59:58.800 group

00:59:59.060 who are you

00:59:59.700 every friend

01:00:00.960 group

01:00:01.260 this guy

01:00:02.060 is that guy

01:00:02.680 and this guy

01:00:03.180 is the one

01:00:03.500 you make this

01:00:03.920 joke about

01:00:04.340 and he's the

01:00:04.780 one who goes

01:00:05.360 and whatever

01:00:05.940 but online

01:00:07.340 in the virtual

01:00:07.960 world

01:00:08.400 you just don't

01:00:09.900 have that

01:00:10.440 and it's even

01:00:11.020 worse than that

01:00:11.680 because it doesn't

01:00:12.260 just deprive you

01:00:12.940 of social skills

01:00:13.800 and community

01:00:15.160 bonds

01:00:15.560 but it also

01:00:15.940 deprives you

01:00:16.640 of a real

01:00:18.840 interior life

01:00:20.160 you know

01:00:20.600 we're being

01:00:20.940 deprived of our

01:00:21.540 inner life

01:00:21.960 now you farm

01:00:23.480 not only your

01:00:24.160 social connections

01:00:24.620 but your inner

01:00:25.340 life and existence

01:00:26.980 out to the internet

01:00:28.240 the internet even

01:00:28.840 does all the

01:00:29.280 thinking for you

01:00:30.020 which is one

01:00:30.980 of the reasons

01:00:31.220 why you know

01:00:31.980 kids these days

01:00:33.440 who grow up

01:00:34.820 just with their

01:00:36.060 heads into the

01:00:36.760 phone all the

01:00:37.180 time

01:00:37.500 aren't even

01:00:39.180 able to

01:00:39.860 think on a

01:00:41.740 certain level

01:00:42.320 because they do

01:00:43.040 all their thinking

01:00:43.620 through the internet

01:00:44.640 to what Jeremy

01:00:45.220 was saying before

01:00:45.920 I think one of

01:00:46.800 the problems

01:00:47.360 with the internet

01:00:47.840 and I love the internet

01:00:48.720 I think it's a

01:00:49.220 wonderful tool

01:00:49.840 if you use it

01:00:50.400 right

01:00:50.560 but it also

01:00:51.660 deprives you

01:00:52.480 of one of the

01:00:53.020 hardest things

01:00:53.620 to develop in life

01:00:54.500 and I think it

01:00:55.060 is developed

01:00:55.580 by the kinds

01:00:56.460 of structures

01:00:57.260 that Ben is

01:00:57.740 talking about

01:00:58.300 is the idea

01:00:59.340 that other people

01:01:00.280 have an inner life

01:01:01.200 like yours

01:01:02.000 and it's not

01:01:02.860 that different

01:01:03.400 you don't have

01:01:04.120 a lived experience

01:01:05.100 that is so

01:01:05.720 different from mine

01:01:06.520 I mean everything

01:01:07.620 including the golden

01:01:08.880 rule do unto others

01:01:10.080 is based on the idea

01:01:11.500 that you know

01:01:11.880 I have some sense

01:01:12.820 of what's going

01:01:13.300 on in there

01:01:13.820 you know

01:01:14.220 you have unique

01:01:14.940 experiences

01:01:15.580 but they're unique

01:01:16.480 human experiences

01:01:17.420 and my experiences

01:01:18.720 are also human

01:01:19.640 and I think the internet

01:01:20.680 has stripped us of that

01:01:21.600 which is why you get

01:01:22.340 this stuff on Twitter

01:01:23.480 where I just think

01:01:24.500 to myself

01:01:24.840 the things you're saying

01:01:26.000 even to me

01:01:27.240 who you don't know

01:01:28.060 are degrading to you

01:01:29.480 they're not going

01:01:30.000 to change me

01:01:30.660 because I have people

01:01:31.400 who love me

01:01:31.940 and I have a structure

01:01:32.840 in my life

01:01:33.360 and I have people

01:01:33.820 around me

01:01:34.260 and I have a very

01:01:35.160 deep sense

01:01:35.780 of other people's lives

01:01:36.680 but when you say

01:01:37.480 to somebody

01:01:37.920 I mean I've heard

01:01:38.700 things that they've

01:01:39.320 said to all you guys

01:01:40.220 at speeches

01:01:40.960 where they stand up

01:01:41.680 and they say

01:01:41.980 these horrible things

01:01:43.120 to you

01:01:43.340 and I think you know

01:01:44.020 that's not going

01:01:44.600 to change Matt

01:01:45.200 that's not going

01:01:45.620 to change Ben

01:01:46.180 it degrades you

01:01:47.180 it makes you

01:01:47.900 less of a person

01:01:48.640 because what you've done

01:01:49.720 is erased that other person

01:01:50.980 and thereby erased yourself

01:01:52.160 actually it does

01:01:52.840 hurt my feelings

01:01:53.400 well you're a sensitive guy

01:01:55.400 so

01:01:56.920 well you know

01:01:57.600 here I'm going to

01:01:59.140 say one thing here

01:02:00.100 because I'm in the holy land

01:02:01.300 and I never proselytize

01:02:02.300 on behalf of my religion

01:02:03.020 because I'm literally

01:02:03.580 prohibited by my religion

01:02:04.780 from proselytizing

01:02:05.840 on behalf of my religion

01:02:06.680 but here's the good news

01:02:07.540 I don't actually have

01:02:08.480 to proselytize

01:02:09.080 on behalf of my religion

01:02:09.860 I can now proselytize

01:02:10.760 on behalf of your religion

01:02:11.720 so if

01:02:12.640 and mine as well

01:02:13.840 everybody needs Sabbath

01:02:15.420 okay I know Sabbath

01:02:16.440 has gone out of style

01:02:17.260 everybody needs Sabbath

01:02:18.960 seriously

01:02:19.560 if everybody

01:02:20.360 in the United States

01:02:21.440 and in the western world

01:02:23.360 started taking Sabbath seriously

01:02:25.040 I don't mean like

01:02:25.740 Sabbath as in

01:02:26.620 it's a Sunday

01:02:27.260 I'm going to go to church

01:02:28.000 for an hour

01:02:28.320 and then I'm going to leave

01:02:28.960 I mean like

01:02:29.780 you make it the day

01:02:30.760 where you are just

01:02:31.500 with your family

01:02:32.240 and just with your community

01:02:33.460 like I will say

01:02:34.200 in my community

01:02:35.040 this is the thing we do right

01:02:36.020 Friday night

01:02:36.540 Saturday night

01:02:37.060 all the phones go off

01:02:38.200 all the TVs go off

01:02:39.280 and I'm spending

01:02:39.860 every waking moment

01:02:40.940 with my family

01:02:42.060 with members of my community

01:02:43.240 finding friendships

01:02:45.080 finding that rooted structure

01:02:47.180 we need that

01:02:48.240 and I think you need it

01:02:49.080 more forcibly now than ever

01:02:50.300 so

01:02:50.580 in your situation

01:02:52.600 there's no online light

01:02:53.640 I mean like

01:02:53.980 we don't turn on and off lights

01:02:55.220 right I mean like

01:02:55.780 nothing

01:02:56.200 but you don't have to be

01:02:57.900 even that extreme right

01:02:58.740 I mean in order to experience

01:03:00.060 the joys of Sabbath

01:03:01.120 there's a reason that God

01:03:02.020 rested on the seventh day

01:03:03.380 and once you've spent

01:03:04.840 the rest of the week working

01:03:06.520 there comes a time

01:03:07.920 when Sabbath

01:03:08.560 in some ways

01:03:09.200 is the hardest work

01:03:09.900 because you have to

01:03:10.440 disconnect from all of those

01:03:11.460 things that you found meaning in

01:03:12.620 and you have to find

01:03:13.300 the real meaning

01:03:13.900 and that is again

01:03:14.900 in God and community

01:03:16.020 if we all

01:03:17.580 I firmly believe this

01:03:18.900 if Western civilization

01:03:19.840 did about one month

01:03:21.140 of actual Sabbath time

01:03:22.440 it would make a transformative

01:03:23.760 difference in the lives

01:03:24.760 of hundreds of millions

01:03:25.480 of people

01:03:25.940 and as a employer

01:03:28.660 God also commanded

01:03:30.160 that you have to work

01:03:30.840 six days

01:03:31.420 you make a great point

01:03:32.800 the NLRB will be hearing this

01:03:34.540 the actual text says

01:03:36.880 six days you will toil

01:03:39.120 and on the seventh day

01:03:40.620 you will rest

01:03:41.160 so yeah

01:03:42.040 you know even

01:03:43.020 to Ben's point

01:03:44.160 on the Sabbath

01:03:44.540 I think it's so important

01:03:45.700 and it reminded me

01:03:47.160 there was a discussion

01:03:48.300 that cropped up recently

01:03:49.120 about Sabbath laws

01:03:50.400 and a lot of them

01:03:51.240 are going away

01:03:51.700 even in the deep south

01:03:52.660 which used to take them

01:03:53.560 pretty seriously

01:03:54.320 and a lot of people

01:03:55.820 think Sabbath laws

01:03:56.820 are just about

01:03:57.660 wagging your finger

01:03:58.520 and no buying beer

01:03:59.680 on Sundays

01:04:00.500 or something

01:04:01.100 that's not what

01:04:02.520 Sabbath laws are not

01:04:03.540 about how beer is bad

01:04:04.560 because people are

01:04:05.160 buying beer

01:04:05.720 every other day

01:04:06.600 of the week

01:04:07.000 Sabbath laws are not

01:04:08.040 about wagging your finger

01:04:09.020 and pretending to be

01:04:09.860 a good person on Sunday

01:04:10.880 when you're not a good

01:04:11.940 person the rest of the week

01:04:12.740 Sabbath laws are about

01:04:14.060 exactly what you're

01:04:14.880 talking about Ben

01:04:15.620 they're about

01:04:16.280 don't go to the bar

01:04:18.000 all day

01:04:18.460 don't go

01:04:19.140 don't go just like

01:04:19.920 hang out and do your job

01:04:21.220 and do commerce all day

01:04:22.280 it's actually about

01:04:23.320 forcing you

01:04:24.460 or at least strongly

01:04:25.020 encouraging you

01:04:25.740 to be with your family

01:04:26.940 be with your community

01:04:27.600 I actually got to witness

01:04:28.620 this when I lived

01:04:29.460 in England

01:04:29.960 because when I got there

01:04:31.300 it was there seven years

01:04:32.280 when I got there

01:04:33.120 Sunday

01:04:33.860 everything shut down

01:04:35.180 every Sunday

01:04:36.040 it was London

01:04:37.120 it was empty

01:04:38.080 and you couldn't get

01:04:39.100 into a store

01:04:39.620 you couldn't find anything

01:04:40.540 you couldn't buy anything

01:04:41.360 and slowly over the course

01:04:43.040 of those seven years

01:04:43.660 they retracted those laws

01:04:44.960 and the society got worse

01:04:46.380 there was no question

01:04:47.340 about it

01:04:47.860 yeah

01:04:48.280 and that was 16

01:04:50.760 1622

01:04:51.760 1622

01:04:52.620 Bill and I used to sit around

01:04:55.220 I like that

01:04:56.140 good play Bill

01:04:57.300 so Congress

01:05:01.140 voted this week

01:05:02.640 to protect gay marriage

01:05:04.340 really urgent

01:05:05.860 urgent vote

01:05:07.040 yeah if there's one thing

01:05:08.120 that's definitely happening

01:05:09.040 in our

01:05:09.280 Clarence Thomas

01:05:10.100 was going to take over

01:05:10.860 the Supreme Court

01:05:11.620 just at any moment

01:05:12.180 they're also threatening

01:05:13.480 to take away

01:05:14.120 Clarence Thomas's

01:05:14.940 actual seat on the court

01:05:16.000 and pass term limits

01:05:17.300 because the left's answer

01:05:18.280 to anything

01:05:18.820 not going their way

01:05:19.800 is to destroy

01:05:20.980 the country

01:05:21.400 end it all

01:05:22.880 and before

01:05:24.500 before the show started

01:05:25.480 we were talking

01:05:25.940 a little bit

01:05:26.580 about this sort of

01:05:27.780 move towards

01:05:28.400 social conservatism

01:05:29.220 that's happening

01:05:29.620 in the country

01:05:30.140 the pushback

01:05:31.460 even from within

01:05:32.020 the GOP

01:05:32.480 it's like they

01:05:32.900 we've been told

01:05:34.260 my entire time

01:05:35.600 in the conservative movement

01:05:36.460 my entire adult life

01:05:37.460 I've been told

01:05:38.420 that we should avoid

01:05:39.040 social issues

01:05:39.800 social issues

01:05:40.460 or losing issues

01:05:41.400 we now see that

01:05:42.580 almost the only

01:05:43.340 winning issues

01:05:44.200 in the West

01:05:44.820 at all

01:05:45.400 the thing that unites

01:05:46.440 the West

01:05:46.960 from Israel

01:05:48.480 to Eastern Europe

01:05:50.160 to Los Angeles itself

01:05:52.580 actually are these

01:05:54.000 social issues

01:05:54.860 and yet

01:05:55.260 a lot of Republican

01:05:56.400 politicians

01:05:56.840 are still very afraid

01:05:57.760 to go near them

01:05:58.820 what do we make

01:05:59.540 of this moment

01:06:00.740 how should we

01:06:02.100 think about it

01:06:03.120 in terms of

01:06:03.580 the upcoming election

01:06:04.380 the presidential

01:06:05.020 that will follow

01:06:05.520 two years later

01:06:06.220 how do we navigate

01:06:07.860 these social issues

01:06:09.020 not as authoritarians

01:06:11.080 not as tyrants

01:06:11.940 but as conservatives

01:06:13.260 the Republicans

01:06:15.280 especially the ones

01:06:16.760 in Congress

01:06:17.460 can never be counted

01:06:18.920 on to have any

01:06:19.860 courage or moral

01:06:20.760 clarity

01:06:21.080 so get that

01:06:21.960 out of your fantasies

01:06:23.560 however

01:06:24.300 they can be counted

01:06:25.460 on to do what is

01:06:26.280 in their political

01:06:26.860 interest

01:06:27.340 and I am

01:06:28.700 firmly convinced

01:06:30.020 after Virginia

01:06:31.120 after Youngkin

01:06:32.160 after what's going on

01:06:33.300 with Ron DeSantis

01:06:33.860 after what we're seeing

01:06:34.840 around the country

01:06:35.400 I am firmly convinced

01:06:36.800 the social issues

01:06:38.120 are overwhelmingly

01:06:39.420 winners for conservatives

01:06:41.000 they will be rewarded

01:06:42.400 obviously there's

01:06:43.360 some nuance to this

01:06:44.180 and you've got to

01:06:44.540 pick some of your battles

01:06:45.240 I think conservatives

01:06:46.460 and Republicans

01:06:46.980 will be rewarded

01:06:48.100 for standing for them

01:06:49.600 and voters

01:06:50.400 like integrity

01:06:51.840 if you

01:06:52.620 if you say

01:06:53.940 for the last

01:06:54.940 I don't know

01:06:55.500 ever

01:06:56.280 from the dawn of time

01:06:57.660 until

01:06:58.100 a week ago

01:06:59.880 conservatives said

01:07:00.760 marriage is between

01:07:01.440 a man and a woman

01:07:02.100 and then 47 Republicans

01:07:03.800 in the house

01:07:04.460 overnight

01:07:05.380 they say

01:07:06.020 no never mind

01:07:06.840 that's terrible

01:07:07.560 that's a horrible

01:07:08.100 bigoted view

01:07:09.040 I think even the people

01:07:10.780 who agree with gay marriage

01:07:12.520 are going to look

01:07:13.180 at those people

01:07:13.820 and say

01:07:14.120 well you don't stand

01:07:14.860 for anything

01:07:15.440 you don't believe

01:07:15.960 a damn thing

01:07:16.640 and you blow in the wind

01:07:17.440 this is to me

01:07:18.060 the great message

01:07:18.860 of Donald Trump

01:07:19.560 this is what Donald Trump

01:07:20.520 Donald Trump's gift

01:07:21.580 to the Republican Party

01:07:23.660 is that he did show you

01:07:25.780 that these could be winners

01:07:27.060 and just having courage

01:07:29.100 to come out

01:07:29.800 and say these things

01:07:30.780 makes you a better

01:07:32.480 a more attractive

01:07:33.420 political personality

01:07:34.980 you know I watch this

01:07:35.920 I know we have this

01:07:36.540 overblown rhetoric

01:07:37.340 you know Donald Trump

01:07:38.020 talks too loud

01:07:38.720 so he's Hitler

01:07:39.220 George W. Bush is Hitler

01:07:40.620 and all this stuff

01:07:41.080 but I've been sitting

01:07:42.000 watching some of this

01:07:43.020 this gender stuff

01:07:44.020 and I think like

01:07:44.620 if Joseph Mengele

01:07:45.780 had gone to Adolf Hitler

01:07:46.860 with gender affirming

01:07:47.760 surgery

01:07:48.420 Hitler would go like

01:07:49.340 ah that's a little far

01:07:50.280 yeah I don't want

01:07:50.980 you know

01:07:51.240 I don't want to get cruel

01:07:52.960 you know

01:07:53.340 the social issues

01:07:55.480 are political winners

01:07:56.440 I believe that

01:07:57.500 so we should make

01:07:58.940 the argument

01:07:59.260 for that reason

01:07:59.740 but we also have

01:08:00.780 to make the argument

01:08:01.360 you can't abandon

01:08:03.620 these issues

01:08:04.360 even if they weren't

01:08:06.080 political winners

01:08:06.560 you cannot abandon them

01:08:07.640 without giving up

01:08:08.220 on civilization

01:08:09.220 and that includes

01:08:10.180 marriage

01:08:10.900 and I think

01:08:11.400 what we've learned

01:08:12.720 with the social issues

01:08:13.500 is that the only way

01:08:14.440 we lose them

01:08:15.120 is if we're too afraid

01:08:16.300 to make the argument

01:08:17.220 and to explain them

01:08:18.020 but when we do explain them

01:08:20.020 people find that

01:08:20.920 the explanations

01:08:21.440 are actually

01:08:21.980 they make a lot of sense

01:08:22.980 and so for example

01:08:23.680 it's not that hard to say

01:08:25.420 you know

01:08:25.720 there's a lot more

01:08:26.380 that can be said

01:08:26.820 about the marriage issue

01:08:27.660 but you know

01:08:28.640 we're told that

01:08:29.220 there's marriage equality

01:08:30.160 and that the you know

01:08:31.240 so-called marriage

01:08:31.840 between a man and a man

01:08:32.560 is equal to the marriage

01:08:33.360 between a man and a woman

01:08:34.000 well that's obviously

01:08:35.200 not true

01:08:35.820 because equal means

01:08:36.760 the same

01:08:37.340 and so is the union

01:08:39.160 the union between

01:08:40.480 a man and a man

01:08:41.340 is it the same as

01:08:42.760 in substance and function

01:08:44.560 as the union between

01:08:45.820 a man and a woman

01:08:46.280 obviously not

01:08:47.080 because the union

01:08:47.560 between a man and a woman

01:08:48.380 has within itself

01:08:49.660 in principle

01:08:50.140 the capacity

01:08:50.740 to create people

01:08:51.740 and so clearly

01:08:52.980 like even if

01:08:53.980 human society was erased

01:08:56.960 and we're building

01:08:57.420 everything up

01:08:57.920 from the ground up

01:08:59.300 and we didn't have

01:08:59.740 any memory of anything else

01:09:00.700 and we looked around

01:09:01.640 and we saw people

01:09:02.300 kind of coupling off

01:09:03.260 and some of these couplings

01:09:04.960 created people

01:09:05.860 and others didn't

01:09:06.880 and we were trying

01:09:07.560 to think of names

01:09:08.280 to give these things

01:09:09.120 we'd probably give them

01:09:10.340 different names

01:09:11.120 because they're very clearly

01:09:12.160 different things

01:09:12.760 and that's

01:09:13.560 I think it's just

01:09:14.980 kind of a logical argument

01:09:16.140 before you even get

01:09:17.340 into the morality of it

01:09:18.460 but conservatives

01:09:19.760 so often are afraid

01:09:20.760 to even go there

01:09:21.580 did you see what Rubio said

01:09:22.740 this was

01:09:23.120 I think that there's

01:09:24.140 there's something to the

01:09:24.920 there's something to the notion

01:09:26.640 that there's deep

01:09:27.680 there's something to the notion

01:09:28.920 obviously that deep fear

01:09:30.120 is what drives the Republican Party

01:09:31.400 which is why they've run headlong

01:09:32.640 from these issues for years

01:09:33.980 despite the fact that

01:09:34.740 by the way

01:09:35.140 when it comes to the social

01:09:36.260 conservative issues

01:09:36.980 like marriage

01:09:37.960 marriage being a huge one

01:09:39.740 obviously

01:09:40.040 if you want to win minority votes

01:09:41.840 actually minorities tend to be

01:09:42.940 significantly more socially

01:09:43.840 conservative on these issues

01:09:44.780 than white people

01:09:45.380 so you know

01:09:46.260 for all the talk about

01:09:47.240 a progressive party

01:09:48.060 the reality is that

01:09:49.080 that Republicans

01:09:49.740 are being anti-progressive

01:09:51.320 in a lot of ways

01:09:51.960 when they are being

01:09:54.040 you know

01:09:54.420 progressive in a lot of ways

01:09:55.280 when they embrace gay marriage

01:09:56.460 but they're actually not working

01:09:57.760 with the people

01:09:58.220 that are the diverse parts

01:09:59.740 of the coalition

01:10:00.200 but there's something else here

01:10:01.580 that actually gives Republicans

01:10:03.020 a second bite at the apple

01:10:04.040 and that is

01:10:04.540 that all the arguments

01:10:05.740 that were made by the left

01:10:06.500 were predicated on the idea

01:10:07.900 that the slippery slope

01:10:08.780 was a lie

01:10:09.300 and that if we just

01:10:10.600 if we get X

01:10:11.400 we certainly won't go for Y and Z

01:10:13.040 if we get civil unions

01:10:14.860 we definitely won't go for gay marriage

01:10:16.000 if we get marriage

01:10:16.520 it's not going to affect your marriage

01:10:17.600 if we get gay marriage

01:10:18.940 it's not going to affect

01:10:19.580 how we teach our kids in school

01:10:20.780 and here's the problem

01:10:21.960 all of that now rings hollow

01:10:23.240 because it's not true

01:10:24.200 right

01:10:24.440 we've seen the other side

01:10:25.460 of the slippery slope

01:10:26.280 and so when Republicans

01:10:27.260 now fight back

01:10:27.980 and they say listen

01:10:28.540 we were perfectly willing

01:10:29.620 to allow you to do

01:10:30.220 whatever you wanted

01:10:30.820 in the privacy of your own bedroom

01:10:31.920 because we don't believe

01:10:32.580 government should have

01:10:33.220 the kind of power

01:10:33.980 that allows them

01:10:35.320 to just break down your door

01:10:36.600 and find out

01:10:37.300 what you're doing in there

01:10:38.100 but by the same token

01:10:39.380 it is totally insane

01:10:41.300 that you won't indoctrinate our kids

01:10:42.660 with the idea

01:10:43.340 that all forms

01:10:43.980 of human sexual experience

01:10:45.180 are morally equivalent

01:10:46.600 on every level

01:10:47.420 or societally equivalent

01:10:48.640 in terms of utility

01:10:49.520 that is a very strong argument

01:10:51.740 that has become only stronger

01:10:52.880 because the left

01:10:53.600 has pushed so far

01:10:54.280 on this sort of stuff

01:10:54.980 did you see what Rubio said

01:10:56.480 on this issue

01:10:57.100 I have two cheers

01:10:58.540 for Marco Rubio

01:10:59.520 over the past week

01:11:00.300 because this ridiculous

01:11:02.620 House bill

01:11:03.600 about defining marriage

01:11:05.160 which obviously

01:11:05.980 there is no threat

01:11:06.800 whatsoever

01:11:07.120 from the Supreme Court

01:11:08.000 Clarence Thomas

01:11:08.700 is not the emperor

01:11:09.460 of America

01:11:10.020 unfortunately

01:11:10.940 and so it's not going to happen

01:11:12.220 the House votes for this

01:11:13.920 goes to the Senate

01:11:14.700 they ask Rubio

01:11:15.360 are you going to vote

01:11:16.160 to codify same-sex marriage

01:11:18.080 and he said

01:11:19.020 I'm not going to

01:11:20.380 because it's a waste of time

01:11:21.980 and I thought

01:11:23.340 you're right on the first part

01:11:24.780 but it's not

01:11:25.460 it's not because it's

01:11:26.840 sure it's a waste of time

01:11:28.320 but Marco

01:11:29.100 that's not why

01:11:30.160 you oppose same-sex marriage

01:11:31.760 if you do oppose it

01:11:32.880 and Pete Buttigieg

01:11:34.100 because he's a fairly

01:11:35.220 clever politician

01:11:36.000 called him out for it

01:11:37.220 and he said

01:11:37.480 that's BS

01:11:38.120 all you politicians

01:11:39.240 all you do is waste time

01:11:40.600 you're lousy with time

01:11:41.660 you are not voting for this

01:11:43.500 because either

01:11:44.700 you don't think

01:11:45.860 that that's what marriage is

01:11:46.820 and you're afraid to say it

01:11:48.220 or you do think

01:11:49.240 that's what marriage is

01:11:50.120 but you don't want to

01:11:51.040 upset your conservative base

01:11:52.420 and he called him out

01:11:53.860 and he said

01:11:54.080 Rubio you're not going to

01:11:54.880 make this substantive argument

01:11:56.120 and to your point Ben

01:11:57.140 yeah of course

01:11:57.520 and to your point Matt

01:11:58.200 you have to make

01:11:59.980 that substantive argument

01:12:01.340 I don't think

01:12:02.540 there's anything hateful

01:12:03.420 or bigoted

01:12:04.180 in saying men and women

01:12:05.280 are different

01:12:05.720 if men and women

01:12:06.480 are different

01:12:06.860 then that institution

01:12:07.680 is different

01:12:08.160 essentially different

01:12:09.980 from the same-sex institution

01:12:11.880 and the reason

01:12:13.080 that we oppose

01:12:13.580 same-sex marriage

01:12:14.420 is because we believe

01:12:15.260 it's ontologically impossible

01:12:16.700 so we're saying

01:12:17.760 be nice to gay people

01:12:19.680 don't go out of your way

01:12:21.120 to be mean to gay people

01:12:22.140 but there are differences

01:12:23.680 in reality

01:12:24.420 that we are going to respect

01:12:25.600 and we're not going to lie

01:12:26.560 it's a political winner

01:12:27.960 it requires like

01:12:29.300 two ounces of courage

01:12:30.660 the New York Times

01:12:31.580 is going to hate you

01:12:32.400 by the way

01:12:33.000 that's a political winner too

01:12:34.200 but you know

01:12:34.720 this argument has been

01:12:36.380 just like the abortion argument

01:12:37.760 was distorted by Roe

01:12:38.820 this argument has been

01:12:39.560 so distorted by Obergefell

01:12:41.440 Scalia in his

01:12:43.140 brilliant dissent

01:12:44.120 which may be my favorite

01:12:44.940 piece of legal writing

01:12:45.840 in all of history

01:12:46.680 says you know

01:12:47.700 the state can make

01:12:48.360 any arrangements

01:12:50.260 about marriage at once

01:12:51.340 and there are going to be

01:12:52.260 bad reactions to it

01:12:53.660 and good reactions to it

01:12:54.500 and the state can make

01:12:55.380 all kinds of dumb laws

01:12:56.880 and he said

01:12:57.840 the Supreme Court

01:12:59.380 should have a stamp

01:13:00.040 that says stupid

01:13:00.880 but not unconstitutional

01:13:02.000 and the thing is

01:13:03.660 we can't even have

01:13:04.600 that argument

01:13:05.060 we're arguing about

01:13:05.960 a decree

01:13:07.060 from these justices

01:13:08.540 that says

01:13:09.500 they had no right

01:13:11.140 to make

01:13:11.500 and their argument

01:13:12.120 is totally absurd

01:13:13.540 and so

01:13:14.200 the Democrats

01:13:15.580 are cleverly putting

01:13:16.540 Republicans in a position

01:13:17.720 where they either

01:13:18.540 have to say

01:13:19.240 I'm for this

01:13:20.040 or against this

01:13:20.540 instead of getting up

01:13:21.420 as we're supposed to do

01:13:22.820 and make our arguments

01:13:23.620 in our states

01:13:24.260 you know

01:13:24.940 and win or lose

01:13:25.940 and also put them

01:13:27.220 put them in

01:13:28.780 an uncomfortable position too

01:13:30.580 because

01:13:30.920 even before we make

01:13:32.060 our argument

01:13:32.560 for what marriage is

01:13:33.540 our response should be

01:13:35.280 well hello

01:13:35.820 what are you

01:13:36.960 what are you saying

01:13:37.840 marriage is

01:13:38.400 because

01:13:38.820 there's this next movie

01:13:41.900 yeah

01:13:42.220 right exactly

01:13:42.700 what is marriage

01:13:43.180 human society

01:13:43.920 basically agreed

01:13:44.800 for thousands of years

01:13:45.440 what marriage is

01:13:46.200 and you came along

01:13:47.880 and said

01:13:48.380 well it's not that

01:13:49.160 okay

01:13:50.460 what is it then

01:13:51.760 what exactly is it

01:13:52.940 and they never

01:13:54.340 provide an answer to that

01:13:55.640 because they're never

01:13:56.540 required to

01:13:57.000 no one ever asks them

01:13:57.920 like what exactly

01:13:58.780 even if I'm willing

01:13:59.660 to go with you

01:14:00.200 for a second

01:14:00.580 and say well maybe

01:14:01.320 maybe we were wrong

01:14:02.300 about this whole marriage

01:14:02.780 thing for thousands of years

01:14:03.640 well what is the new

01:14:05.300 what's the new definition

01:14:06.440 they never provided

01:14:07.600 yeah

01:14:08.100 and on a legal level

01:14:10.460 it's also just the complete

01:14:11.460 erosion of contract law

01:14:12.680 right

01:14:13.000 part of what they're

01:14:14.560 after in the redefinition

01:14:16.260 of marriage

01:14:16.780 is this idea

01:14:18.900 that only the government

01:14:19.860 gets to decide

01:14:20.860 what your

01:14:22.300 contractual relationship

01:14:24.120 to another person is

01:14:25.060 doesn't even matter

01:14:25.920 what the two of you

01:14:26.560 have agreed

01:14:26.940 there are all these

01:14:27.440 places now

01:14:28.080 where the government

01:14:28.820 will not allow you

01:14:30.020 to enter into an agreement

01:14:31.020 that they don't like

01:14:31.880 or the government

01:14:33.320 will forfeit an agreement

01:14:34.420 that you did make

01:14:35.440 that they now don't like

01:14:36.840 and this kind of

01:14:38.020 comes full circle

01:14:38.600 to something Ben

01:14:39.160 was saying earlier

01:14:39.860 which is essentially

01:14:40.940 that the

01:14:41.960 and we've said this before

01:14:43.380 but the essential

01:14:44.500 premise of the left

01:14:45.240 is anything that isn't

01:14:46.740 illegal is mandatory

01:14:48.020 that

01:14:48.960 they can't abide

01:14:51.400 you existing

01:14:52.320 in any sort of

01:14:53.540 free state

01:14:54.420 they can't

01:14:55.120 they can't handle

01:14:55.820 and this is a very

01:14:56.620 human thing

01:14:57.040 people hate tension

01:14:57.880 they can't live in tension

01:14:59.500 they can't say

01:15:01.140 you know this is

01:15:02.060 I actually don't want

01:15:03.300 to make that political point

01:15:04.020 because people get hung up on it

01:15:05.040 but people hate tension

01:15:06.400 they reject it

01:15:07.220 and so

01:15:08.300 you go from

01:15:09.560 no fault divorce

01:15:11.480 which is essentially

01:15:12.660 a way of saying

01:15:13.420 the contractual relationship

01:15:15.080 that you made with your spouse

01:15:16.020 is now rendered

01:15:16.600 doesn't exist

01:15:17.580 it's meaningless

01:15:18.540 and now

01:15:19.620 that can't be enough

01:15:20.780 it has to be

01:15:21.280 and also

01:15:22.040 any variety of other people

01:15:24.860 have to be able to enter

01:15:25.620 into the same meaningless

01:15:26.560 contractual relationship

01:15:28.360 it's all just

01:15:29.640 it's all just a way

01:15:31.080 of the state

01:15:32.020 to Ben's point

01:15:33.420 moving you from

01:15:34.480 the behaviors

01:15:35.080 that they like

01:15:35.740 and away from

01:15:36.620 the behaviors

01:15:37.040 that they do not like

01:15:37.920 that's all

01:15:38.240 any of this

01:15:38.700 all the behaviors

01:15:39.240 they like

01:15:39.680 make you a slave

01:15:41.760 every single thing

01:15:45.380 that they do

01:15:45.960 guides you

01:15:47.120 into addiction

01:15:48.240 and to self-destruction

01:15:49.720 and to pain

01:15:50.400 where you become dependent

01:15:51.980 and I don't even know

01:15:53.040 if they consciously do that

01:15:54.420 but certainly

01:15:55.160 there must be

01:15:55.820 some concept

01:15:56.520 of humanity

01:15:57.500 that they understand

01:15:58.760 that we can't live

01:15:59.840 like this

01:16:00.300 and be free

01:16:00.780 Ben

01:16:02.280 you know

01:16:03.400 there's something else here too

01:16:04.380 when it comes to the

01:16:05.060 arguments about marriage

01:16:05.960 one of the things

01:16:06.480 that you'll hear from the left

01:16:07.300 always is

01:16:07.840 well what's the argument

01:16:09.440 for marriage

01:16:09.900 what's the argument

01:16:10.580 for marriage

01:16:10.940 and there are

01:16:11.480 there are plenty of

01:16:11.980 fantastic natural law

01:16:13.200 arguments for marriage

01:16:13.900 it is in fact

01:16:14.880 one of the easiest things

01:16:15.720 to explain

01:16:16.220 in all of human behavior

01:16:18.680 as Matt explained

01:16:19.780 in about three sentences

01:16:20.680 I mean this is not

01:16:21.440 very difficult

01:16:21.900 men women create babies

01:16:23.400 babies should be raised

01:16:24.200 by biological parents

01:16:25.220 as an ideal

01:16:25.860 there we just did marriage

01:16:27.320 okay this is not

01:16:27.980 this is not tough

01:16:28.540 at all

01:16:29.220 however

01:16:29.680 what the left

01:16:30.920 likes to do

01:16:31.480 and they play this game

01:16:32.180 is they never have

01:16:32.940 to have a rationale

01:16:33.580 for why they're doing

01:16:34.300 what they do

01:16:34.740 they demand a rationale

01:16:35.900 for why you're doing

01:16:36.620 what you do

01:16:37.120 and what they're attempting

01:16:38.240 to do by doing that

01:16:39.120 is really undermine

01:16:39.980 one of the fundamental

01:16:40.680 bases of conservatism

01:16:42.320 and of life in general

01:16:43.320 which is inherited wisdom

01:16:44.220 we use heuristics

01:16:45.440 all the time in life

01:16:46.600 we don't re-explain

01:16:48.020 everything that we do

01:16:48.880 on a daily basis

01:16:49.600 because there's just

01:16:50.260 not enough time

01:16:50.820 to do that

01:16:51.120 we say

01:16:51.400 well yeah

01:16:51.960 my dad did it that way

01:16:52.880 or if you ask people

01:16:53.680 agricultural techniques

01:16:54.640 in the third world

01:16:55.300 and they might not know

01:16:56.420 why they've been doing

01:16:57.040 crop rotations

01:16:57.760 they can't explain to you

01:16:59.180 the replenishment

01:17:01.160 of the materials

01:17:02.640 in the soil

01:17:03.060 they just know

01:17:03.740 that their dad did it

01:17:04.440 and it worked

01:17:04.920 this goes back

01:17:05.860 to some of the stuff

01:17:06.740 we were saying

01:17:07.040 about science

01:17:07.520 one of the ways

01:17:08.380 that we actually

01:17:08.800 determine what works

01:17:09.520 and what doesn't

01:17:10.000 is we try stuff

01:17:10.820 until we find something

01:17:11.560 that works

01:17:11.960 and then we just

01:17:12.340 keep doing the stuff

01:17:13.000 that works

01:17:13.500 and hopefully over time

01:17:14.720 you build up

01:17:15.440 this giant bulwark

01:17:16.380 of things that work

01:17:17.200 and life gets better

01:17:18.120 progressively over time

01:17:19.400 that's the basic idea

01:17:20.560 of inherited wisdom

01:17:21.260 what the left does

01:17:22.240 is they come along

01:17:22.780 and they say

01:17:23.120 inherited wisdom is moot

01:17:24.360 you cannot use that

01:17:25.540 you can't say

01:17:26.220 we've had this thing

01:17:27.240 and it's worked

01:17:27.660 for thousands of years

01:17:28.620 and it's been

01:17:29.320 a fundamental basis

01:17:30.060 of our society

01:17:30.580 for thousands of years

01:17:31.340 and that's enough

01:17:31.760 of an argument

01:17:32.200 instead the burden

01:17:33.300 of proof is on you

01:17:34.040 to prove that a thing

01:17:34.860 that has worked

01:17:35.320 for thousands of years

01:17:36.240 why has it worked

01:17:37.460 you have to explain

01:17:38.060 how it's worked

01:17:38.900 well what if I just say

01:17:40.040 it's working

01:17:40.980 so you're going to

01:17:41.700 have to explain to me

01:17:42.420 why it should be destroyed

01:17:43.700 you're going to have

01:17:44.760 to explain to me

01:17:45.340 how it's fundamentally

01:17:46.240 not working

01:17:47.000 I think that's really

01:17:47.760 important because

01:17:48.460 it is important

01:17:49.540 to be critical

01:17:51.460 of inherited wisdom

01:17:52.460 it isn't wisdom

01:17:54.080 if it can't withstand

01:17:54.880 criticism

01:17:55.360 the idea that we

01:17:56.260 should do what

01:17:56.980 our parents did

01:17:57.620 because our parents

01:17:58.360 did it

01:17:58.720 is a beginning

01:18:00.040 perhaps of wisdom

01:18:01.060 but it's certainly

01:18:01.640 not the end of wisdom

01:18:02.460 you shouldn't just

01:18:02.720 ditch it because

01:18:03.740 your parents did it

01:18:04.700 but you can think

01:18:05.480 about it

01:18:05.820 you can think

01:18:06.200 about it

01:18:06.480 and some of the

01:18:07.440 things that our

01:18:07.880 parents did

01:18:08.400 are wrong

01:18:09.420 it's good to

01:18:10.700 challenge historic

01:18:12.320 notions

01:18:12.800 but the second part

01:18:14.800 of what you said

01:18:15.280 I think is the

01:18:15.780 really important piece

01:18:17.020 which is

01:18:17.440 it is a satisfactory

01:18:19.140 answer to say

01:18:20.680 that something works

01:18:21.580 and so

01:18:22.460 it isn't that

01:18:23.860 every person

01:18:24.620 has to be an expert

01:18:25.580 and an apologist

01:18:26.820 for every single

01:18:27.960 piece of inherited

01:18:29.020 wisdom

01:18:29.420 I think that it is

01:18:30.440 important that people

01:18:31.100 like us sit around

01:18:31.860 and critique

01:18:33.040 traditional inherited

01:18:34.760 wisdom as much as

01:18:35.520 we would critique

01:18:36.060 a new idea

01:18:37.000 that we test it

01:18:38.180 that we see if it

01:18:38.840 stands the test of time

01:18:39.840 not everything does

01:18:40.920 some things

01:18:41.400 do get better

01:18:42.680 with time

01:18:43.080 because we do

01:18:44.340 challenge those

01:18:44.960 historic notions

01:18:45.600 dentistry

01:18:45.900 but something

01:18:48.060 working is a

01:18:48.880 pretty good

01:18:49.300 recommendation

01:18:49.860 but also you

01:18:50.760 should challenge

01:18:51.340 it within the

01:18:52.060 context of Ben's

01:18:52.960 point I think

01:18:53.520 of the traditions

01:18:54.160 and the ideals

01:18:55.440 of your country

01:18:57.020 and your culture

01:18:58.200 the idea

01:18:59.160 of the Martin

01:18:59.920 Luther King

01:19:00.320 line you should

01:19:00.800 live into the

01:19:01.400 meaning of your

01:19:01.960 creed

01:19:02.380 is much much

01:19:03.300 different than

01:19:03.880 saying this is

01:19:04.400 an inherent

01:19:04.780 there's a racism

01:19:05.440 in our DNA

01:19:06.060 you know

01:19:06.580 that's a very

01:19:07.300 two different

01:19:07.840 there's also

01:19:08.440 there's an

01:19:09.660 argument that

01:19:10.480 conservatives made

01:19:11.480 for a while

01:19:11.840 I think tactically

01:19:12.800 because they thought

01:19:13.540 it was going to

01:19:13.900 work but it

01:19:14.380 doesn't work

01:19:15.400 because it

01:19:15.620 doesn't stand

01:19:16.160 up to

01:19:16.400 historical

01:19:16.800 scrutiny

01:19:17.160 which is

01:19:17.840 they thought

01:19:18.420 the way

01:19:19.140 to beat

01:19:19.780 the marriage

01:19:20.260 issue

01:19:20.580 was to say

01:19:21.220 well let's

01:19:21.540 just get

01:19:21.920 government

01:19:22.560 out of

01:19:23.080 marriage

01:19:23.360 altogether

01:19:23.860 and I think

01:19:24.580 what we've

01:19:24.940 seen

01:19:25.320 certainly in

01:19:26.100 recent years

01:19:26.580 but for all

01:19:27.200 of human

01:19:27.480 history

01:19:27.820 is that

01:19:28.320 government

01:19:29.100 at some

01:19:30.180 level

01:19:30.580 to some

01:19:31.120 degree

01:19:31.520 is always

01:19:32.440 involved

01:19:33.000 in marriage

01:19:33.780 because

01:19:34.460 the marriage

01:19:35.700 is the

01:19:36.100 fundamental

01:19:36.460 political

01:19:36.980 institution

01:19:37.600 that's the

01:19:38.020 basic unit

01:19:38.700 of political

01:19:39.420 society

01:19:39.900 and so

01:19:40.280 sometimes

01:19:41.420 you'll hear

01:19:41.780 people say

01:19:42.200 well George

01:19:42.940 Washington

01:19:43.460 didn't need

01:19:44.040 to get a

01:19:44.420 marriage

01:19:44.680 contract

01:19:45.080 which is

01:19:45.960 I guess

01:19:46.600 sort of

01:19:47.000 true

01:19:47.300 except there

01:19:47.840 was an

01:19:48.080 established

01:19:48.480 church

01:19:48.840 in Virginia

01:19:49.340 when George

01:19:49.780 Washington

01:19:50.100 got married

01:19:50.660 so the

01:19:51.160 church

01:19:51.400 was

01:19:51.740 very

01:19:52.080 closely

01:19:52.420 associated

01:19:52.920 with the

01:19:53.320 state

01:19:53.560 and this

01:19:54.140 has been

01:19:54.380 true

01:19:54.660 throughout

01:19:55.100 history

01:19:55.380 so obviously

01:19:56.380 the political

01:19:56.960 community

01:19:57.500 has to have

01:19:59.180 something to say

01:19:59.760 about marriage

01:20:00.300 if it's going to

01:20:00.940 have something to say

01:20:01.520 about anything

01:20:02.260 it's going to have

01:20:02.800 something to say

01:20:03.240 about marriage

01:20:03.800 and so I

01:20:05.260 would just

01:20:05.680 encourage

01:20:06.240 I don't mean

01:20:07.060 to pick on

01:20:07.440 Marco Rubio

01:20:08.040 but I would

01:20:08.680 encourage the

01:20:09.700 Republicans

01:20:10.280 who want to

01:20:11.100 get out of this

01:20:11.780 issue

01:20:12.060 you can't

01:20:13.060 avoid it

01:20:13.520 you might

01:20:14.000 not be

01:20:14.320 interested in

01:20:15.080 the culture

01:20:15.440 and the

01:20:15.660 politics

01:20:16.020 but the

01:20:16.880 politics

01:20:17.480 and the

01:20:17.780 culture

01:20:18.000 is interested

01:20:18.480 in you

01:20:18.860 that compromise

01:20:19.980 of let's just

01:20:20.420 get government

01:20:21.020 out of marriage

01:20:21.340 it reminds me

01:20:22.560 of the

01:20:23.540 compromise

01:20:23.880 the conservatives

01:20:24.360 tried for a while

01:20:25.060 in the bathroom

01:20:25.540 issue by saying

01:20:26.180 well let's make a

01:20:26.760 separate bathroom

01:20:27.240 for trans people

01:20:27.900 it's a compromise

01:20:29.020 and it goes to

01:20:31.520 Ben's point

01:20:32.320 about well why

01:20:33.080 why are we even

01:20:34.300 talking about

01:20:34.720 compromise

01:20:35.080 you're coming

01:20:36.220 along and

01:20:36.980 challenging this

01:20:37.720 historical notion

01:20:38.540 I agree with

01:20:39.860 Ben the burden

01:20:40.400 of proof

01:20:40.800 before I even

01:20:41.360 explain anything

01:20:41.940 the burden

01:20:42.260 of proof

01:20:42.560 is on you

01:20:43.140 you have to

01:20:43.980 why are you

01:20:44.480 challenging

01:20:44.740 why should

01:20:45.500 we change

01:20:45.800 the bathrooms

01:20:46.180 at all

01:20:46.480 it's up to

01:20:47.540 you to

01:20:47.920 explain why

01:20:48.600 and if you

01:20:49.640 want to

01:20:50.240 tear down

01:20:50.980 the definition

01:20:51.400 of marriage

01:20:51.800 that has stood

01:20:52.320 for thousands

01:20:52.880 of years

01:20:53.220 before I

01:20:54.040 explain

01:20:54.800 why I

01:20:56.060 believe in

01:20:56.460 that definition

01:20:57.460 why should

01:20:59.080 we do it

01:20:59.500 the balls

01:21:01.000 in your court

01:21:01.600 we're giving

01:21:02.300 you the

01:21:02.660 microphone

01:21:03.140 you explain

01:21:04.000 yourself

01:21:04.500 I shouldn't

01:21:05.580 have to explain

01:21:06.020 it same thing

01:21:06.440 with pronouns

01:21:07.360 you know

01:21:07.760 someone comes

01:21:08.220 along and

01:21:08.520 says oh my

01:21:08.860 new pronoun

01:21:09.240 is this

01:21:09.580 you have to

01:21:09.820 use this

01:21:10.100 pronoun

01:21:10.360 why should

01:21:11.420 I have to

01:21:11.700 do that

01:21:12.140 you know

01:21:12.840 I don't

01:21:13.620 well if

01:21:13.980 you're not

01:21:14.140 going to

01:21:14.300 use the

01:21:14.920 pronoun

01:21:15.180 you need

01:21:15.520 to explain

01:21:15.860 to me

01:21:16.040 why you're

01:21:16.260 not going

01:21:16.480 to use

01:21:16.700 it

01:21:16.800 no I don't

01:21:17.060 have to

01:21:17.260 explain

01:21:17.520 anything

01:21:17.840 you are

01:21:18.880 the one

01:21:19.160 coming

01:21:19.380 with this

01:21:19.740 absurd

01:21:20.160 new notion

01:21:20.780 it's up

01:21:21.580 to you

01:21:21.740 to explain

01:21:22.140 it

01:21:22.680 and feelings

01:21:23.640 are not

01:21:23.960 an explanation

01:21:24.560 no

01:21:25.400 neither is

01:21:26.280 lived experience

01:21:27.000 you know

01:21:27.240 this is one

01:21:27.580 of the things

01:21:28.000 that gets

01:21:28.280 me

01:21:28.400 every bigot

01:21:29.040 I know

01:21:29.460 when you

01:21:30.020 challenge him

01:21:30.820 on his

01:21:31.100 bigotry

01:21:31.560 sites

01:21:32.040 lived

01:21:32.360 experience

01:21:33.280 I was

01:21:33.900 mugged

01:21:34.200 by a

01:21:34.440 black guy

01:21:34.820 so I

01:21:35.380 don't like

01:21:35.600 black people

01:21:36.080 or I

01:21:36.360 was cheated

01:21:36.740 by a

01:21:37.020 Jewish guy

01:21:37.320 so I

01:21:37.480 don't like

01:21:37.680 Jewish

01:21:37.860 whatever it

01:21:38.820 is

01:21:39.000 and you

01:21:39.420 think

01:21:39.580 that's not

01:21:40.200 really a

01:21:40.560 good reason

01:21:41.200 feelings can

01:21:42.220 be an

01:21:42.480 explanation

01:21:42.820 it's just

01:21:43.160 that they

01:21:43.460 lead to

01:21:44.520 another

01:21:44.700 question

01:21:45.160 because

01:21:45.560 if the

01:21:46.020 person

01:21:46.640 says

01:21:46.900 use this

01:21:47.260 pronoun

01:21:47.540 I

01:21:47.800 say

01:21:47.920 why

01:21:48.060 should

01:21:48.200 I

01:21:48.300 do

01:21:48.440 that

01:21:48.620 they

01:21:48.760 say

01:21:48.960 well

01:21:49.340 it

01:21:49.420 make

01:21:49.520 me

01:21:49.640 feel

01:21:49.800 better

01:21:50.080 my

01:21:50.540 next

01:21:50.720 question

01:21:51.000 is

01:21:51.140 why

01:21:51.320 do

01:21:51.420 I

01:21:51.500 care

01:21:51.640 about

01:21:51.800 that

01:21:52.000 how

01:21:52.140 why

01:21:52.420 do

01:21:52.520 I

01:21:52.600 care

01:21:52.760 how

01:21:53.340 you

01:21:53.480 feel

01:21:53.700 and

01:21:53.880 what

01:21:54.000 are

01:21:54.100 the

01:21:54.180 actual

01:21:54.380 ramifications

01:21:54.960 of the

01:21:55.320 policy

01:21:55.620 that

01:21:55.820 you're

01:21:55.960 advancing

01:21:56.260 the

01:21:56.740 one

01:21:57.120 thing

01:21:57.300 that

01:21:57.440 you

01:21:57.540 see

01:21:57.900 on

01:21:58.980 the

01:21:59.120 left

01:21:59.400 I

01:22:00.460 used

01:22:00.720 to

01:22:00.860 think

01:22:01.020 that

01:22:01.160 it

01:22:01.220 was

01:22:01.360 unintended

01:22:01.900 consequences

01:22:02.560 now I'm

01:22:02.900 actually not

01:22:03.260 even sure

01:22:03.600 that they're

01:22:03.900 unintended

01:22:04.260 by the

01:22:05.220 people who

01:22:05.540 actually

01:22:05.760 create the

01:22:06.140 policy

01:22:06.400 but

01:22:06.540 they're

01:22:06.660 certainly

01:22:06.880 unintended

01:22:07.240 by most

01:22:07.700 of the

01:22:07.880 people

01:22:08.120 who support

01:22:08.940 the

01:22:09.140 policies

01:22:09.540 is that

01:22:10.180 people

01:22:10.440 don't

01:22:10.840 they

01:22:11.060 only

01:22:11.660 think

01:22:12.000 about

01:22:12.200 their

01:22:12.340 policy

01:22:12.680 preferences

01:22:13.200 in a

01:22:13.580 vacuum

01:22:13.940 they

01:22:14.980 never

01:22:15.320 think

01:22:15.480 so

01:22:15.720 in a

01:22:16.420 vacuum

01:22:16.900 create a

01:22:17.900 bathroom

01:22:18.200 for the

01:22:18.480 people

01:22:18.680 who

01:22:18.860 aren't

01:22:19.100 comfortable

01:22:19.380 in either

01:22:19.800 of the

01:22:20.000 other

01:22:20.120 two

01:22:20.280 restrooms

01:22:22.120 if that's

01:22:24.240 the only

01:22:24.760 question

01:22:25.300 then it's

01:22:26.140 a fine

01:22:26.460 compromise

01:22:26.900 it makes

01:22:27.260 perfect

01:22:27.640 sense

01:22:28.020 but it

01:22:29.740 doesn't just

01:22:30.240 exist in

01:22:30.660 that vacuum

01:22:31.640 there are

01:22:32.400 implications

01:22:32.920 of what

01:22:33.360 you've

01:22:33.540 just

01:22:33.720 done

01:22:34.020 there are

01:22:35.300 political

01:22:35.640 implications

01:22:36.180 there are

01:22:36.480 moral

01:22:36.700 implications

01:22:37.220 there are

01:22:37.600 very practical

01:22:38.340 implications

01:22:39.160 when they

01:22:39.780 talked about

01:22:40.360 doing away

01:22:40.940 with

01:22:41.320 don't ask

01:22:42.820 don't tell

01:22:43.280 in the

01:22:43.600 military

01:22:44.020 one of

01:22:45.480 the

01:22:45.620 thoughts

01:22:45.840 that I

01:22:46.120 had

01:22:46.320 about

01:22:46.520 it

01:22:46.640 was

01:22:47.000 eventually

01:22:49.020 everyone

01:22:50.180 in the

01:22:50.540 military

01:22:50.920 will have

01:22:51.300 to have

01:22:51.500 a private

01:22:51.880 restroom

01:22:52.360 because

01:22:53.820 it is

01:22:54.880 the right

01:22:55.360 of a

01:22:55.660 human

01:22:55.880 being

01:22:56.360 to take

01:22:57.060 a shower

01:22:57.680 without

01:22:58.520 being

01:22:58.980 actively

01:22:59.540 concerned

01:23:00.120 that they

01:23:00.480 are being

01:23:00.780 sexually

01:23:01.300 assessed

01:23:01.900 that's

01:23:02.660 why we

01:23:02.860 don't let

01:23:03.100 men and

01:23:03.540 women

01:23:03.740 take

01:23:04.000 showers

01:23:04.320 in the

01:23:04.540 military

01:23:04.860 together

01:23:05.140 even in

01:23:05.780 the

01:23:05.820 military

01:23:06.140 I don't

01:23:08.360 want to

01:23:08.560 feel like

01:23:09.060 I'm

01:23:09.240 being

01:23:09.620 even

01:23:10.160 in the

01:23:10.400 military

01:23:10.700 where we

01:23:11.160 make

01:23:11.320 people do

01:23:11.660 all kinds

01:23:12.040 of things

01:23:12.280 they don't

01:23:12.540 want to

01:23:12.740 do

01:23:12.840 we don't

01:23:13.080 make

01:23:13.240 men and

01:23:13.600 women

01:23:13.740 take

01:23:14.020 showers

01:23:14.420 together

01:23:14.820 well

01:23:15.420 making

01:23:15.780 men

01:23:16.140 and

01:23:16.400 men

01:23:16.620 take

01:23:16.840 showers

01:23:17.120 together

01:23:17.400 stops

01:23:17.880 being

01:23:18.320 different

01:23:19.140 than

01:23:19.420 that

01:23:19.760 if you

01:23:20.840 know

01:23:21.300 that the

01:23:21.640 person

01:23:21.900 next to

01:23:22.360 you

01:23:22.580 is

01:23:23.300 potentially

01:23:24.620 sexually

01:23:25.080 attracted

01:23:25.440 to you

01:23:25.860 that

01:23:26.440 is a

01:23:27.000 fundamental

01:23:28.120 change

01:23:28.820 and so

01:23:29.500 I still

01:23:30.680 believe

01:23:30.940 we will

01:23:31.240 see

01:23:31.440 over time

01:23:31.920 the only

01:23:32.560 two

01:23:32.760 alternatives

01:23:33.180 now

01:23:33.580 are that

01:23:34.220 women

01:23:34.500 can't

01:23:34.940 actually

01:23:35.280 have a

01:23:35.660 safe

01:23:35.840 place

01:23:36.060 to

01:23:36.220 shower

01:23:36.480 in the

01:23:36.740 military

01:23:37.140 or

01:23:38.020 everyone

01:23:38.840 must have

01:23:39.280 an

01:23:39.380 individually

01:23:39.760 safe

01:23:40.120 place

01:23:40.360 in the

01:23:40.480 it's not

01:23:41.960 that you

01:23:42.160 don't get

01:23:42.820 to all

01:23:43.000 these

01:23:43.200 outcomes

01:23:43.620 in a

01:23:43.880 day

01:23:44.160 but just

01:23:45.040 give it

01:23:45.300 a minute

01:23:45.540 you're going

01:23:45.880 to get

01:23:46.040 to one

01:23:46.260 of those

01:23:46.500 two

01:23:46.640 outcomes

01:23:46.940 you know

01:23:47.380 there's a game

01:23:48.980 that the left

01:23:49.380 has been playing

01:23:49.980 really since the

01:23:50.760 1960s

01:23:51.600 where they would

01:23:52.400 always say that

01:23:52.880 the personal

01:23:53.280 is political

01:23:53.760 right how you

01:23:54.340 live your life

01:23:54.920 is actually a

01:23:55.520 statement about

01:23:55.940 the political

01:23:56.400 world but

01:23:56.820 there's something

01:23:57.220 that the left

01:23:57.600 has also done

01:23:58.240 and they've done

01:23:59.180 it in reverse

01:23:59.560 what they've

01:23:59.880 basically said

01:24:00.340 is the political

01:24:00.880 is the personal

01:24:01.500 and what they

01:24:02.200 mean by this

01:24:02.760 and they don't

01:24:03.680 say it in these

01:24:04.080 words but this

01:24:04.540 is really what

01:24:04.900 they're doing

01:24:10.480 societal rule

01:24:11.240 and then we

01:24:11.640 pretend that

01:24:12.060 has no

01:24:12.360 ramifications

01:24:12.900 at all

01:24:13.280 so when it

01:24:13.880 comes to

01:24:14.300 same-sex

01:24:14.720 marriage for

01:24:15.080 example

01:24:15.420 they'll say

01:24:15.980 something like

01:24:16.460 well why do

01:24:17.200 you care about

01:24:17.800 you know me

01:24:18.520 and my boyfriend

01:24:19.320 getting married

01:24:19.960 after all what

01:24:20.560 does our gay

01:24:20.960 marriage have to

01:24:21.420 do with your

01:24:21.720 marriage and

01:24:22.400 the answer is

01:24:22.900 well it doesn't

01:24:23.500 have anything

01:24:23.800 to do with

01:24:24.020 my marriage

01:24:24.400 but I'll tell

01:24:24.700 you what does

01:24:25.060 have to do

01:24:25.380 with my

01:24:25.600 marriage is the

01:24:26.060 entire societal

01:24:26.800 rule for what

01:24:27.600 marriage is that

01:24:29.260 that like you've

01:24:30.020 generalized to a

01:24:30.860 level that of

01:24:31.440 course it has an

01:24:31.920 impact on my

01:24:32.440 marriage and what

01:24:33.280 the left likes

01:24:33.880 they do this on

01:24:34.480 every on pretty

01:24:35.620 much every score

01:24:36.300 right they'll do

01:24:36.780 it on on gender

01:24:37.740 as well they'll

01:24:38.320 say what does it

01:24:38.900 matter to you if

01:24:39.480 you just call this

01:24:40.100 man by a woman's

01:24:40.960 pronoun why does it

01:24:41.700 matter to you well

01:24:42.560 that that doesn't

01:24:43.340 really matter to me

01:24:44.040 very much which is

01:24:44.700 why I've said that

01:24:45.280 if I'm at dinner

01:24:45.740 with somebody and

01:24:46.680 it's going to

01:24:46.940 really insult them

01:24:47.560 or something I

01:24:48.060 don't really care I'll

01:24:48.660 call them whatever

01:24:49.020 they want I'll call

01:24:49.680 them I'll call them

01:24:50.280 Napoleon doesn't

01:24:50.940 matter to me but

01:24:51.640 what does matter to

01:24:52.360 me is the societal

01:24:53.420 standard with regard

01:24:54.860 to what is truth that

01:24:56.680 of course has

01:24:57.180 ramifications for me and

01:24:58.500 so what the left

01:24:59.100 again likes to do is

01:25:00.200 they like to evade the

01:25:01.040 argument that societal

01:25:02.200 rules have societal

01:25:03.200 impact by pointing to

01:25:04.480 singular cases and

01:25:05.380 they say the singular

01:25:05.920 case has no impact on

01:25:06.940 you well of course the

01:25:07.760 singular case has no

01:25:08.540 impact on me the

01:25:09.360 societal rule does and

01:25:10.280 we're not talking about

01:25:10.960 the singular case we're

01:25:11.920 talking about the

01:25:12.600 societal rule well on

01:25:13.920 that bleak note we're

01:25:14.720 gonna let Ben go to

01:25:15.540 bed because it's very

01:25:16.460 very late in Israel

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