The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： No, It Doesn’t Take A Village

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00:00:30.460 Hey, Michael Knowles here.

00:00:31.620 The latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage,

00:00:33.560 No, It Doesn't Take a Village, is available now.

00:00:37.240 Join me, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh, the God King Jeremy Boring,

00:00:40.560 and special guest Tim Poole to hear us discuss everything from Biden's pigeon problem

00:00:45.000 to the leftist obsession with grooming kids across the country.

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00:01:22.160 I'm Jeremy Boring, God King of these lowly Daily Wires,

00:01:25.420 joined as ever by the Ben Shapiro, the Andrew Klavan, the Matt Walsh, and the Michael Knowles.

00:01:30.160 I gave Michael Knowles a V just because I'm feeling generous.

00:01:33.040 We're glad you've tuned in.

00:01:34.340 Oh, I think they already rolled the intro.

00:01:40.460 Mathis is in my ear going, no, we already ran the graphic.

00:01:43.220 Anyway, we're off to a good start.

00:01:46.200 The big news in the world today that I want to most talk about

00:01:49.540 is how little Michael Knowles is willing to do for world peace.

00:01:54.140 It's a slow news week.

00:01:55.820 I got to tell you, so I was at Yale with Senator Cruz a couple days ago.

00:01:59.660 We got lots of really high-level questions that you would expect from the geniuses in New Haven.

00:02:04.360 One of which was, would you fellate a man to end world hunger?

00:02:08.820 Ah, thank you.

00:02:09.420 Now, but it would have been the same answer with world peace,

00:02:12.120 which is, no, I'm not going to do that.

00:02:13.980 I'm not willing to do it.

00:02:14.920 And people said, Michael, that's awful.

00:02:16.820 They don't realize.

00:02:18.460 If they had offered me a part on a sitcom,

00:02:20.440 if they had offered me, I don't know, a hundred bucks,

00:02:22.180 maybe that could have been a different answer.

00:02:24.000 World hunger?

00:02:24.880 World hunger.

00:02:25.500 What does that have to do with me?

00:02:26.420 It's an incredibly slow news cycle,

00:02:29.160 which always, I think, leads to the most enjoyable backstages.

00:02:32.360 Rather than sort of working our way through a bunch of stories that nobody cares about,

00:02:37.000 like some bird craps on the president,

00:02:38.660 and he's totally unaware of it, you know, it's just another day.

00:02:41.200 That was the American eagle.

00:02:42.300 And another day.

00:02:43.100 That was just America crapping on the president.

00:02:46.200 He's lucky bulls don't fly as far.

00:02:48.040 I will say that I recently had an interaction with what may have been the same bald eagle,

00:02:53.360 and it crapped on my God King cape.

00:02:56.340 That was God.

00:02:57.260 That wasn't even the eagle.

00:02:58.100 That's God.

00:02:58.380 That's well-deserved.

00:02:59.520 Yeah.

00:02:59.680 That is well-deserved.

00:03:00.120 You know, since the premiere of the Jeremy's Razors commercial

00:03:03.320 and the announcements about DW kids

00:03:06.840 and all the great work that I've been doing in the world,

00:03:09.240 people recognizing me.

00:03:10.500 We're bringing about world for later now.

00:03:11.760 On the streets thanking me.

00:03:13.380 I just want you guys to know my head has not gotten smaller.

00:03:17.220 Certainly hasn't happened.

00:03:18.040 But I don't just wear my cape, like, around the office or anything.

00:03:20.680 No.

00:03:21.020 I mean, just around your house.

00:03:22.320 Just at home.

00:03:23.200 The wife likes it.

00:03:24.380 Yeah.

00:03:25.520 But these are good times for us to talk about, like, more philosophical issues.

00:03:29.200 Like the left stealing our children

00:03:30.560 and trying to indoctrinate them into queer theory?

00:03:32.500 Like the left?

00:03:33.820 That's just a...

00:03:35.040 Just like an issue?

00:03:36.120 Just one example.

00:03:37.420 Yeah.

00:03:37.900 Obviously, this is something that Matt has, I think,

00:03:40.520 taken a real leadership role in the conservative movement

00:03:43.200 as far as, you know, probing this issue,

00:03:45.980 trying to get people around the world to define what is a woman.

00:03:48.860 An amazing feature-length documentary coming from Matt Walsh

00:03:52.220 in the month of May on that topic.

00:03:53.800 But as we've been watching those events play out for a while,

00:03:56.460 we actually haven't engaged, I think, in this forum

00:03:58.580 and what we used to do in the old days of the show,

00:04:00.800 which is talk about it kind of in a philosophical,

00:04:03.440 religious, political context as opposed to just news of the week.

00:04:08.000 So, I mean, so I talked on the podcast the other day about this issue

00:04:11.940 because I, not just because, obviously, it's perverse,

00:04:15.220 but because it really says something about where we are as a society.

00:04:17.460 And what it says about where we are as a society

00:04:18.980 is the cult of authenticity has completely destroyed entire generations of people.

00:04:22.740 And now you have adults who are addicted to their own authenticity

00:04:25.180 to the point where they feel the need to indoctrinate children

00:04:27.660 so that children validate their own views of the world and their own activities.

00:04:31.200 There's been a lot of debate about using the term grooming on the right.

00:04:34.120 What I've said on the show is,

00:04:35.180 I don't think that all of these teachers who are doing this are grooming the kids

00:04:38.360 so that they can have sex with the kids.

00:04:39.480 I do think they are politically grooming the kids

00:04:41.240 so that the kids will agree with them and approve of their lifestyles.

00:04:44.960 And they openly say this.

00:04:45.940 That is not a theory.

00:04:46.680 That is just a thing that they say openly.

00:04:48.100 They will say that parents are the real problems here

00:04:49.900 because parents are the barriers to a better, more tolerant world.

00:04:52.920 And so if we take your kids away from you,

00:04:54.700 like Plato's either fake or real republic, right?

00:04:57.980 And we take the kids away and we re-indoctrinate them,

00:05:01.060 like Pol Pot would, except in sexual theories of the left,

00:05:03.680 then we will have created a better world for ourselves

00:05:06.260 and we will also create a better world for children.

00:05:08.460 And this runs so directly against human nature.

00:05:11.200 It is unspeakable.

00:05:12.280 I mean, what they're attempting to do with kids is unspeakable.

00:05:14.100 There's a whole article from Derek Thompson in The Atlantic the other day

00:05:17.140 about the rising rates of mental illness and suicidal ideation among kids.

00:05:22.360 And the answer to this is very clear.

00:05:24.300 When you have a left wing that is teaching people

00:05:26.660 that it is wrong to civilize your kids,

00:05:29.020 that it is wrong to impose rules on your kids

00:05:31.700 and to set rules for your kids,

00:05:32.820 that the greatest way you can parent

00:05:33.980 and the greatest way you can bring up a kid

00:05:35.280 is to destroy all of those rules and all of those rules

00:05:37.720 and then tell kids when they're 15 years old

00:05:39.340 at the stupidest point in their entire life,

00:05:41.280 choose your gender, choose your sexual orientation.

00:05:43.700 And you only get cheered, by the way.

00:05:44.900 You only get cheered if you say you're a non-cisgender pansexual.

00:05:48.680 You are destroying children.

00:05:49.920 You are destroying minors.

00:05:50.860 And you are doing this purposefully.

00:05:52.120 The rates of suicide in this country are about to skyrocket

00:05:55.240 like nobody's ever seen over the course of the next 10 years.

00:05:57.340 I also think the grooming is happening

00:06:00.000 in kind of the pedophilic sense as well, though.

00:06:03.740 Because what we have to realize is that all of this stuff,

00:06:07.060 there is a real effort to actually sexualize children.

00:06:11.240 I mean, this comprehensive sex education,

00:06:12.980 you can trace back to Alfred Kinsey.

00:06:14.980 And that's where it comes from.

00:06:16.220 And he believed that children were sexual from birth.

00:06:20.000 And he had all kinds of horrific-

00:06:21.020 Wilhelm Reich or something.

00:06:21.920 Right.

00:06:22.240 So that's where you trace all this stuff back to.

00:06:24.560 So it's grooming in that kind of general sense, but it also is.

00:06:28.080 I think using grooming in a kind of pedophilia way is also correct.

00:06:31.600 I don't think that it's-

00:06:32.980 I agree with Ben that-

00:06:34.560 I agree with you that grooming is happening in kind of a macro

00:06:37.800 and that there are also very specific instances of grooming

00:06:41.260 that are taking place.

00:06:42.660 I think the point that you're making is that

00:06:44.280 the average teacher engaging in this behavior

00:06:46.760 is not engaging in a direct and purposeful act of grooming a child for sex.

00:06:51.200 But they are promulgating-

00:06:54.560 They are attempting to pervert the child in order to pervert the society.

00:06:57.940 I disagree with this because I think that they are, in fact,

00:07:01.060 grooming the child for a world in which pedophilia is normalized.

00:07:05.040 And I think that-

00:07:06.240 I don't think we're all saying-

00:07:08.320 We're not disagreeing.

00:07:09.280 I mean, the proposition on the table is whether they are literally taking this child

00:07:13.200 and teaching this kid about sex,

00:07:14.320 they can then have sex with this child.

00:07:15.900 That the average teacher promulgating this worldview

00:07:19.540 is not engaged in that direct-

00:07:21.060 Correct.

00:07:21.180 But they are doing what you're saying.

00:07:22.620 There are some people who are,

00:07:23.440 and those people, you know,

00:07:24.480 obviously should not only go to jail.

00:07:25.460 Actually, a lot of adults in the public school system are doing that.

00:07:28.880 That's another piece of this problem,

00:07:30.680 is that actually there's a real sexual abuse epidemic in the school system

00:07:34.720 that's been going on for years.

00:07:36.200 I mean, the Department of Education did a study back in 2004

00:07:38.400 and found that there was something like 4 million kids at that time.

00:07:43.500 The rates of abuse in the public schools are about twice that

00:07:46.200 of even the Catholic Church at the height of the scandal.

00:07:48.060 100 times that.

00:07:49.480 It depends on the measurement.

00:07:50.480 It depends on the measurement.

00:07:51.180 It depends how you measure it, but it's significantly more.

00:07:53.280 But the reason that I'm hesitant to make it all about the minority of teachers

00:07:59.020 who are actively attempting to sexually abuse children

00:08:01.840 is because I think the issue is way broader than that,

00:08:04.140 meaning that the real wrong that I think that is going to destroy

00:08:07.120 an entire generation of children is not the minority of teachers

00:08:09.580 who legitimately are going to engage in pedophilic acts with children.

00:08:13.300 I think the major issue across the country is that school districts all across America

00:08:18.140 are indoctrinating small kids into these perverse ideas about what it means to be happy.

00:08:23.620 And that the people doing it don't question their own motives.

00:08:27.720 And one of the challenges when we on the right say that it's grooming,

00:08:31.280 it's not that we aren't right in many sorts of ways,

00:08:34.560 but to the individual teacher who is not themselves attempting to have sex

00:08:38.780 with one of their students, but who is engaged in promulgating these perverse views,

00:08:43.700 it gives them an excuse to continue.

00:08:45.620 The key word here is that word you said, Ben, which is authenticity.

00:08:48.980 And I totally think you're right.

00:08:50.580 But the irony, of course, is that the little boy who either thinks he's a girl

00:08:54.480 or who just has been told by his teacher that he is a girl,

00:08:56.900 he is not authentically a girl.

00:08:58.940 He is authentically a boy, and he's being told to be inauthentic.

00:09:01.780 When we use this phrase gender-affirming therapy,

00:09:05.500 it's ironic because you're not affirming their gender.

00:09:07.560 Right, it's sex-denying, it's sex-denying.

00:09:09.780 The problem we have on the right, though, is they bring out,

00:09:12.640 Ron DeSantis brings out a bill that keeps teachers from doing this,

00:09:17.940 from foisting this nonsense on these children.

00:09:20.780 And the left immediately calls it the don't-say-gay bill.

00:09:22.940 The entire press calls it the don't-say-gay bill.

00:09:25.180 Nobody debates whether it should be called the don't-say-gay bill.

00:09:28.060 But we come back with a great line, which is OK, Groomer,

00:09:32.400 which I thought was one of the great right-wing lines.

00:09:34.280 And suddenly, NRO, they're sitting around going,

00:09:36.740 well, should we really call it grooming?

00:09:38.620 And my feeling is-

00:09:39.240 Oh, no, I mean, listen, I don't think anybody on the left

00:09:41.800 has any grounds to stand on when it comes to the abuse of language

00:09:44.420 and the lies about language that are told.

00:09:46.620 And I'm not even saying-

00:09:46.960 But why is it we question ourselves when we come up with a good response?

00:09:48.160 Right, and I'm not even saying, by the way,

00:09:49.200 as much as I know it's not a popular position,

00:09:51.360 I'll take the least popular position at the table.

00:09:54.140 From a-

00:09:55.140 If the only question is a question of politics, I agree with you.

00:09:58.720 Yeah.

00:09:58.840 I actually prefer Vivek Ramaswamy's line that we should call it the wait-till-eight bill,

00:10:03.780 because it actually is very descriptive.

00:10:06.220 The wait-till-eight bill.

00:10:07.580 But on a political level, I agree.

00:10:11.160 Where I disagree is on the sort of the efficacy at the individual teacher level.

00:10:18.500 That if I'm doing something that I think is good,

00:10:20.920 and I don't have a sexual motive, and you call me a pedophile,

00:10:24.820 that doesn't cause me to reflect on my behavior.

00:10:26.780 It causes me to defend my behavior.

00:10:27.940 But I guess the question-

00:10:28.600 I don't know.

00:10:29.460 You know, I agree with what I thought you were going to say,

00:10:32.460 which is that we should discuss things,

00:10:34.060 and we should actually, we on the right should actually talk about things

00:10:36.260 as opposed to the left.

00:10:37.500 But no, I'm not trying to convince that teacher.

00:10:41.140 No, I actually-

00:10:41.900 I want to drive the teacher out.

00:10:42.740 That teacher, I think, should be arrested.

00:10:44.660 I'll take up Jeremy's-

00:10:46.100 I don't care about that.

00:10:46.820 I want to convince the country that these people should be shut up.

00:10:49.020 But do you think that every teacher in America

00:10:50.800 who is wrapped up in these curriculum

00:10:53.760 should be arrested?

00:10:55.160 No, but it's shame.

00:10:56.160 You're also putting-

00:10:56.980 That's not what actually-

00:10:57.380 You're putting shame on this shameful activity.

00:10:59.960 Yes.

00:11:00.480 That's part of what you're doing,

00:11:01.560 which is what we should be doing.

00:11:02.660 So if that teacher feels ashamed-

00:11:05.320 And stops doing it.

00:11:06.320 Well, it's a shameful thing that they're doing to kids,

00:11:09.520 and that's-

00:11:09.920 I have no problem with the shaming.

00:11:11.060 I don't even have a problem with the use of the term groomer.

00:11:12.940 I have a problem with what I think happened here.

00:11:14.700 I think one of the things that happened here

00:11:16.080 is people started using OK Groomer,

00:11:17.700 and I also thought that's pretty funny.

00:11:19.620 And not only is it funny,

00:11:20.440 it's really not a specific term as people on the left

00:11:23.020 immediately took it to be and then twisted it.

00:11:24.740 Because when I saw OK Groomer,

00:11:26.000 I read it as they are politically grooming children

00:11:28.140 and sexualizing children in order

00:11:29.840 so they'll reflect their points of view.

00:11:30.900 And the left immediately took that,

00:11:31.980 and in order to take the word away,

00:11:33.580 they said,

00:11:33.940 oh, what you really mean

00:11:34.900 is that all these teachers

00:11:35.820 are going to rape small children.

00:11:37.340 That's right.

00:11:37.760 And that's not what I think most people actually meant

00:11:40.220 when they said Groomer.

00:11:40.940 I don't think that everybody who says Groomer

00:11:42.380 means these teachers-

00:11:43.680 It means you're cultivating a sexual identity.

00:11:45.020 Correct.

00:11:45.420 I agree.

00:11:45.780 So the point that I'm making

00:11:47.980 is that we should clarify what we mean by it,

00:11:49.940 mainly because it actually broadens

00:11:51.160 the appeal of the argument.

00:11:52.220 Most of the people

00:11:53.300 who are going to agree with us on this issue,

00:11:54.800 which is the majority of the American people,

00:11:56.380 agree that teachers are perverting children-

00:11:58.500 Of both parties, by the way.

00:11:59.420 Of both parties.

00:12:00.180 Agree that teachers

00:12:01.020 should not be teaching kids this stuff

00:12:02.580 because it is bad and evil

00:12:03.920 to sexualize children.

00:12:05.420 They don't agree on a broad level

00:12:07.320 that all these teachers

00:12:08.520 actively want to have sex with the children.

00:12:10.460 So what I'm saying is that

00:12:12.300 I don't think it's a political winner

00:12:13.420 to accuse all these people of pedophilia.

00:12:15.120 I think it's a political winner

00:12:16.060 to accuse all of them

00:12:16.800 of perverting children

00:12:17.500 for their own sick political-

00:12:18.300 So clarify what you mean,

00:12:19.440 but we clarify what we mean,

00:12:20.360 but keep using the word.

00:12:21.420 Yes, yes.

00:12:22.680 That's one thing.

00:12:23.480 What we cannot do is back off of it

00:12:25.100 and say, okay,

00:12:25.600 we'll find a different word.

00:12:26.460 Right, I agree.

00:12:27.240 I agree.

00:12:28.460 The only thing I've done on my program

00:12:30.440 is when I discuss it,

00:12:31.500 I just say political grooming

00:12:33.140 just to clarify what I'm using.

00:12:34.700 So I'm using the same word.

00:12:36.220 Michael?

00:12:36.520 Sure.

00:12:36.840 No, you know,

00:12:37.460 I want to take the left-wing argument

00:12:39.080 and steel man it as best I can

00:12:40.700 because I think they do make one point.

00:12:42.760 When they're arguing

00:12:43.660 against this Florida bill,

00:12:45.040 they say, well, no, look,

00:12:46.300 we're not talking about

00:12:47.020 transing the kids

00:12:47.760 or drag shows in kindergarten,

00:12:49.240 but if I'm in a math class

00:12:50.420 and I'm writing a math problem,

00:12:51.920 am I not allowed to refer

00:12:53.300 to Johnny's two dads

00:12:55.500 or am I not allowed

00:12:56.540 to refer to a they

00:12:57.760 or an intersex

00:12:59.060 or a pansexual or whatever?

00:13:00.480 I can't bring it up

00:13:01.440 even, you know, casually.

00:13:03.580 And so the answer from the bill

00:13:04.700 is no, you can't.

00:13:05.620 Just don't talk about sex.

00:13:06.460 Wait till eight.

00:13:07.040 Wait till eight.

00:13:08.080 But it does raise

00:13:09.500 this bigger problem.

00:13:10.580 If you're in kindergarten

00:13:11.940 story time class,

00:13:13.200 there's going to be,

00:13:13.680 you're probably going to talk

00:13:14.640 about a marriage

00:13:15.440 or a family.

00:13:16.220 That's probably going to come up

00:13:17.000 in some storybook.

00:13:18.080 Well, I guess that's kind of

00:13:19.400 sexual education.

00:13:20.860 And really what you are saying

00:13:21.920 is no, you're not going to talk

00:13:22.740 about transsexuality

00:13:23.780 or any kind of more modern

00:13:25.260 sexual ideology.

00:13:26.740 So then don't you get

00:13:27.840 to the question of,

00:13:29.680 don't we just need to say

00:13:30.800 the reason you can't teach

00:13:32.160 your kids about transgenderism

00:13:33.800 in kindergarten

00:13:34.940 is because it's not true.

00:13:37.000 Because boys can't be girls.

00:13:38.360 No, that's exactly right.

00:13:39.020 No, you know,

00:13:39.820 I would go further than that.

00:13:41.600 I think we have the right

00:13:42.460 to defend the norm.

00:13:43.680 Yeah.

00:13:43.820 There is no such thing

00:13:44.960 or if there is such a thing

00:13:46.740 it is anomalous.

00:13:48.660 But there is really

00:13:49.380 no such thing

00:13:49.960 as a parent

00:13:50.500 who wants their child

00:13:51.920 to not become

00:13:53.260 a parent of another child.

00:13:54.960 That is what we're here for.

00:13:56.040 That's what our bodies do.

00:13:57.500 We want our children

00:13:58.280 to go off and get married

00:13:59.180 as we got married,

00:14:00.380 form a family.

00:14:01.100 We want to see our grandkids.

00:14:02.380 That's all the things

00:14:03.260 that we want

00:14:03.840 that we should be loving

00:14:05.500 and accepting of people

00:14:07.160 who can't participate in that.

00:14:08.960 If your child is gay

00:14:10.040 like my child is gay,

00:14:11.140 you know,

00:14:11.340 I love the kid to death.

00:14:12.500 You all know that.

00:14:13.380 But, you know,

00:14:15.100 I want my kids

00:14:15.820 to marry

00:14:16.680 the opposite sex person

00:14:18.340 and have children.

00:14:19.680 That's what we all want.

00:14:20.620 That's what the norm is.

00:14:21.840 And we have a right

00:14:22.440 to defend that norm.

00:14:23.380 It's a human norm.

00:14:24.220 It's not a cultural norm.

00:14:25.020 It is a human one.

00:14:26.200 That's a really important point too

00:14:28.160 because we talked

00:14:28.680 a little bit off air.

00:14:29.960 I think this is where

00:14:30.920 the right can lose

00:14:33.020 on this issue.

00:14:33.840 I think this should be

00:14:34.620 a winning issue.

00:14:35.220 The trans,

00:14:35.740 gender ideology.

00:14:37.380 We obviously are correct.

00:14:39.220 It's common sense.

00:14:40.060 And most people,

00:14:40.600 when you explain it to them,

00:14:41.700 even if they're not political,

00:14:42.760 they are going to be

00:14:43.800 on our side.

00:14:44.900 Where we could lose it,

00:14:45.780 though,

00:14:46.060 is where we say,

00:14:47.220 where we focus

00:14:48.160 almost too much

00:14:49.340 on the kids.

00:14:50.220 And we say,

00:14:50.640 well,

00:14:50.860 we just leave the kids

00:14:52.800 out of this.

00:14:53.340 But we're not criticizing

00:14:54.460 transgenderism in general.

00:14:55.800 Just leave the kids

00:14:56.800 away from it.

00:14:57.320 I agree.

00:14:58.240 Our message has to be

00:14:59.400 fundamentally,

00:14:59.840 like you said,

00:15:00.920 the reason we don't want

00:15:02.080 the kids taught this stuff

00:15:02.980 is because it's false

00:15:03.900 and harmful.

00:15:04.840 You wouldn't teach a kid

00:15:05.660 that two plus two equals seven.

00:15:06.860 Right.

00:15:07.140 And it will send them

00:15:08.420 barreling into a life

00:15:09.220 of despair.

00:15:09.680 And we're going to have

00:15:10.060 a mass wave of suicides

00:15:12.920 coming even worse

00:15:13.720 than what we have

00:15:14.160 right now with kids

00:15:14.780 when 10,

00:15:15.760 20 years from now

00:15:16.520 they're looking around

00:15:17.180 and saying,

00:15:18.120 what did you people

00:15:19.280 let me do to myself

00:15:20.180 that I can't reverse?

00:15:20.720 The stats on this

00:15:21.660 are pretty clear.

00:15:22.980 And it's amazing to me.

00:15:24.060 Nobody, frankly,

00:15:24.980 has the balls

00:15:25.440 to actually say it.

00:15:26.220 But the stats are very clear

00:15:27.540 that, I mean,

00:15:29.900 according to Gallup polls,

00:15:31.460 0.8% of people

00:15:32.480 born before 1945

00:15:33.520 identify as LGBTQ.

00:15:35.800 For people who were

00:15:36.560 born between 1997 and 2003,

00:15:38.080 that number is 20.8%.

00:15:39.400 Yeah.

00:15:39.940 Okay, if you go to people

00:15:41.560 who are even younger than that,

00:15:42.560 if you're going to go

00:15:43.020 to the 12-18 crowd,

00:15:44.000 because remember,

00:15:44.360 everybody who was born

00:15:44.780 in 2003 is now 19.

00:15:46.180 So if you're going to people

00:15:46.960 who were born in the five-year

00:15:47.780 period after that,

00:15:48.500 I would guarantee you

00:15:49.120 it's at least 25 to 30%.

00:15:50.860 Yeah.

00:15:51.280 Right?

00:15:51.480 And so if you're looking

00:15:52.420 at that group

00:15:52.980 and then you look

00:15:53.480 at the suicidal ideation rates

00:15:55.080 among LGBTQ,

00:15:56.120 you're talking about

00:15:57.020 suicidal ideation rates

00:15:58.060 that are in the 40% range,

00:15:59.500 as opposed to the

00:16:00.060 general population

00:16:00.700 where it's closer to

00:16:01.980 10 to 15% among teen girls,

00:16:04.340 for example,

00:16:04.960 maybe 8% among teen boys.

00:16:07.020 So what you're doing

00:16:07.680 is you are taking

00:16:08.280 an entire population

00:16:09.160 of people who are not

00:16:10.660 going to be suicidally ideated

00:16:11.760 and you are celebrating them

00:16:13.080 for selecting into a population

00:16:14.820 that is having

00:16:16.480 very, very high suicide rates.

00:16:18.640 And almost 30%

00:16:20.060 attempted suicide rates.

00:16:21.320 Right.

00:16:22.020 In the trans community, yes.

00:16:23.540 In the trans community.

00:16:23.780 For people who identify

00:16:25.020 as transgender,

00:16:25.560 the actual suicide

00:16:26.540 attempt rate is,

00:16:27.960 depending on which group

00:16:28.700 you're looking at,

00:16:29.100 between 40% and 50%.

00:16:30.200 I mean, these are

00:16:30.540 insane statistics.

00:16:31.500 And you're telling people

00:16:32.260 that they will be celebrated

00:16:33.220 and they will be cheered

00:16:34.880 if they come out

00:16:35.680 and engage in this behavior.

00:16:37.860 And then you're saying

00:16:38.420 that you're helping kids

00:16:39.560 by doing this?

00:16:40.140 And not only that,

00:16:40.900 we know that if you actually,

00:16:42.040 if a kid is genuinely

00:16:43.220 dealing with this,

00:16:44.680 not they've got rapid onset

00:16:46.280 gender dysphoria

00:16:46.980 and all their friends are doing,

00:16:47.840 but they actually have

00:16:48.600 some form of gender dysphoria,

00:16:50.040 we know that 70 to 90%

00:16:52.140 of those kids

00:16:52.480 are simply going to desist.

00:16:53.380 But we know that 100%

00:16:54.560 of kids who are given

00:16:55.640 puberty blockers

00:16:56.660 end up moving on

00:16:57.880 to further states

00:16:58.460 of transitioning.

00:16:58.940 So you are actively

00:17:00.000 locking people in

00:17:01.320 to a choice

00:17:03.160 that is going to

00:17:04.120 harm them dramatically.

00:17:05.420 And pretending

00:17:05.980 this isn't happening

00:17:06.560 is just insane.

00:17:07.320 It's insane.

00:17:07.920 It's a social contagion.

00:17:09.180 There is no way

00:17:09.820 that evolutionary biology

00:17:10.840 suggests that in the course

00:17:11.960 of one generation,

00:17:13.080 you go from 5%

00:17:13.920 of the population

00:17:14.480 identifying as LGBTQ

00:17:16.120 to 30%

00:17:17.540 of the population

00:17:18.160 identifying that way.

00:17:18.780 But this is an important point

00:17:19.840 because it points out

00:17:20.580 the depth of the dishonesty.

00:17:22.040 It's not just

00:17:22.520 when they tell us

00:17:23.220 that somebody

00:17:23.800 who declares himself

00:17:24.840 a female

00:17:25.380 is automatically a female,

00:17:26.820 which is incredibly dishonest.

00:17:28.400 But it's also dishonest

00:17:29.560 about the human condition.

00:17:30.700 I mean, we know,

00:17:31.460 as you're talking

00:17:31.980 about evolutionary biology,

00:17:33.140 we know what we're here

00:17:33.820 to do is reproduce.

00:17:35.480 We know that there's pain

00:17:36.580 when you do not fulfill

00:17:37.980 nature's template of a man.

00:17:40.960 I think men feel bad

00:17:42.260 when they're not soldiers,

00:17:43.660 let alone, you know,

00:17:44.400 when they actually are not

00:17:45.920 sleeping with a woman

00:17:46.600 and creating more children.

00:17:47.800 You know, this is what

00:17:48.740 we're here to do,

00:17:49.420 that there's pain involved

00:17:50.700 in that and tragedy.

00:17:51.720 Any honest gay person

00:17:54.080 will tell you,

00:17:54.640 any honest gay person

00:17:55.880 will tell you

00:17:56.400 that being gay

00:17:57.400 comes along with

00:17:58.120 a certain amount of pain.

00:17:59.200 Now, we can be loving

00:18:00.260 and accepting

00:18:00.860 and understanding of that,

00:18:02.700 but to foist it on people

00:18:04.080 as not only normal,

00:18:07.420 but also as the only way

00:18:08.700 you can avoid the evil

00:18:10.520 of being a white person.

00:18:12.360 You know, in other words,

00:18:12.900 some of these kids,

00:18:13.680 that's their only strategy

00:18:15.180 to get out of being

00:18:16.240 the bad guy.

00:18:16.800 So this goes back

00:18:17.360 to the authenticity point

00:18:18.160 that I was making earlier.

00:18:19.440 So if you believe

00:18:20.320 that one part,

00:18:21.800 and I think the largest part

00:18:22.840 of human happiness

00:18:23.760 lies in becoming

00:18:24.860 a civilized human being,

00:18:26.180 which is to say

00:18:26.800 that you civilize

00:18:27.420 to the major institutions

00:18:28.600 that make you happy

00:18:29.600 in life,

00:18:30.000 being a father,

00:18:30.960 being a friend,

00:18:33.240 being a person

00:18:34.120 who protects,

00:18:35.140 being a husband,

00:18:35.700 right?

00:18:35.840 All of these things.

00:18:37.220 That is maybe not

00:18:38.740 just a major part of life,

00:18:39.620 maybe all of life

00:18:40.380 is in that.

00:18:41.300 But then you're told

00:18:42.080 by society

00:18:42.940 that authenticity

00:18:43.780 is to be measured

00:18:44.860 by how many rules

00:18:45.640 you shuck off,

00:18:46.780 how many rules

00:18:47.640 you get rid of,

00:18:48.220 right?

00:18:48.460 If you blow up the rules,

00:18:49.260 because you can't really

00:18:49.960 be yourself unless

00:18:50.720 you destroy those rules

00:18:51.640 and you break the rules.

00:18:52.440 It's the rule breakers

00:18:53.320 and the people

00:18:53.960 who destroy the rules

00:18:54.800 who are the most authentic.

00:18:56.280 So we can measure

00:18:56.740 how authentic you are

00:18:57.640 by how many of these

00:18:58.440 things you destroy.

00:18:59.040 Is there any rational reason

00:19:01.340 why the more authenticity

00:19:02.980 you seek,

00:19:03.400 the more unhappy you are?

00:19:04.120 You are literally

00:19:04.600 taking the things

00:19:05.160 that make human beings happy

00:19:06.060 and you are destroying them

00:19:07.220 for the sake of

00:19:08.040 supposed authenticity

00:19:08.920 that lies within

00:19:09.560 and really is not

00:19:10.240 your own authenticity.

00:19:11.160 It's a reflection

00:19:11.660 of the social media idiots

00:19:12.840 who are echoing you.

00:19:14.040 Right.

00:19:14.180 It's authenticity,

00:19:15.660 ironically,

00:19:16.320 that becomes

00:19:17.140 a communal project.

00:19:18.120 Right.

00:19:18.440 It's authenticity

00:19:18.900 that relies desperately

00:19:20.180 on the affirmation

00:19:21.520 and the acceptance

00:19:22.920 of everybody else.

00:19:25.040 So it's like

00:19:25.380 we're giving kids

00:19:26.760 this identity

00:19:27.440 that's now

00:19:28.000 And by the way,

00:19:29.240 that affirmation

00:19:30.000 will not suffice.

00:19:31.280 Even that will not suffice.

00:19:32.360 It doesn't change reality.

00:19:33.440 Right.

00:19:33.580 And that's why

00:19:33.920 it's like for me

00:19:35.140 as a man,

00:19:36.340 if somebody calls me

00:19:37.180 a woman,

00:19:37.840 it's just,

00:19:38.600 it's absurd.

00:19:39.120 It doesn't cause

00:19:39.620 any problems for me.

00:19:40.260 I just laugh at you.

00:19:41.320 But this identity

00:19:42.600 we're giving to kids,

00:19:43.420 if you misgender them,

00:19:45.220 which would be

00:19:45.580 to correctly gender them,

00:19:46.560 it's just,

00:19:46.920 their whole world

00:19:47.780 falls apart

00:19:48.300 because they're

00:19:48.980 utterly dependent

00:19:49.920 on society

00:19:51.860 to constantly affirm

00:19:53.320 the untruth.

00:19:53.680 Because it's an act

00:19:55.140 of violence

00:19:55.720 in their view

00:19:56.520 for you to

00:19:57.740 subject them

00:19:58.460 to reality

00:19:59.460 or to shatter

00:20:01.060 their sort of

00:20:02.300 delusions.

00:20:02.900 Delusions.

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00:20:04.520 culturally crammed down.

00:20:05.540 This is why

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00:22:43.900 that you guys

00:22:44.940 have been the catalyst

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00:22:47.420 political landscape

00:22:48.440 and cultural landscape?

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00:22:50.540 that we've had

00:22:50.940 the kind of impact

00:22:51.520 I suppose

00:22:52.040 that we've been able to have?

00:22:53.480 First of all,

00:22:53.880 I'm glad that we hired

00:22:54.640 somebody to send that question.

00:22:56.660 It feels great.

00:22:58.080 I want to answer

00:22:58.740 this question first

00:22:59.520 because I feel like

00:23:00.660 I was banging on this drum

00:23:02.020 in a wilderness

00:23:02.800 for 20 years

00:23:03.680 and really,

00:23:05.420 dude,

00:23:06.320 you know,

00:23:07.060 you have actually

00:23:07.860 done the stuff

00:23:08.580 that I was making

00:23:09.720 all these speeches about

00:23:10.600 and I kept making speeches

00:23:11.500 and saying,

00:23:11.880 you know,

00:23:12.420 Fox News came on

00:23:13.500 and they got 50%

00:23:14.760 of the audience basically

00:23:16.120 but they never said,

00:23:17.380 well,

00:23:17.480 let's do Fox movies.

00:23:18.480 Let's do Fox comedy.

00:23:19.540 I could never understand that

00:23:21.000 and it was because

00:23:21.660 they weren't you

00:23:22.320 and I think,

00:23:23.480 no,

00:23:23.820 and I flatter you

00:23:24.880 but it actually is true.

00:23:26.240 I think it is an amazing thing.

00:23:27.960 I think it's what is needed.

00:23:30.020 I love the fact

00:23:31.020 that they do not know

00:23:32.240 we are coming

00:23:32.780 and we are going

00:23:33.320 to destroy them

00:23:33.980 because we are going

00:23:34.820 to destroy them.

00:23:35.460 This is a fruit

00:23:36.280 lying on the ground

00:23:36.960 and this is why

00:23:38.100 I don't get

00:23:39.720 into inner discussions

00:23:42.280 about whether we should

00:23:43.280 use this word

00:23:43.820 or that word.

00:23:44.520 We should wipe them

00:23:45.720 off the face

00:23:46.680 of the planet.

00:23:47.740 Everything they believe

00:23:48.860 is wrong.

00:23:49.480 Every single thing

00:23:50.120 they believe is wrong.

00:23:51.260 They destroy our cities.

00:23:52.500 They destroy our children.

00:23:53.780 They destroy our marriages.

00:23:55.020 I mean,

00:23:55.200 the thing is,

00:23:56.280 for most of us,

00:23:57.280 90% of us at least,

00:23:58.700 the relationship

00:23:59.300 between a man and a woman

00:24:00.220 is one of the major

00:24:01.080 consolations

00:24:01.800 for a tragic life.

00:24:02.940 This is a very difficult life.

00:24:04.200 It has lots of pain.

00:24:05.160 It ends in death.

00:24:06.260 You know,

00:24:06.500 no matter what you believe,

00:24:07.420 that's the truth

00:24:08.520 of the life we're in,

00:24:09.880 the love between a man

00:24:10.820 and a woman

00:24:11.140 is one of the most

00:24:11.820 beautiful things

00:24:12.560 in the world

00:24:13.020 and even that,

00:24:14.160 even that they want

00:24:15.060 to poison.

00:24:15.800 I saw this,

00:24:18.440 I can't think of

00:24:19.460 the right word,

00:24:20.340 a punk go after you

00:24:21.820 at one of your speeches

00:24:22.640 and he was screaming

00:24:23.440 at you and he was saying,

00:24:24.260 this is a white formulation.

00:24:26.200 Well,

00:24:26.940 BS.

00:24:27.720 I mean,

00:24:28.020 you know,

00:24:28.760 this is a universal thing.

00:24:30.300 Every story,

00:24:30.920 the one thing I know

00:24:31.560 about his stories

00:24:32.100 and every single story

00:24:33.120 in every single culture

00:24:34.500 tells the journey

00:24:35.760 of a man to become a man

00:24:36.960 and a woman to become a woman,

00:24:38.480 that not everybody

00:24:39.240 makes that journey,

00:24:40.060 that people have other journeys

00:24:41.300 and that there are

00:24:41.860 physical reasons for that.

00:24:43.160 I'm fine with it

00:24:44.340 and I've always,

00:24:45.560 listen,

00:24:45.780 I've been in the arts

00:24:46.480 all my life.

00:24:47.460 Half the people I know

00:24:48.320 are gay.

00:24:48.960 They've been my best friends.

00:24:50.340 They've been my great associates

00:24:52.280 and I respect them

00:24:53.560 and I understand their worldview

00:24:54.820 and I understand what they want.

00:24:56.320 This is not the norm.

00:24:57.620 This is,

00:24:58.140 we have a right to the norm

00:24:59.340 and the human beings

00:25:00.400 because it's creation.

00:25:01.960 The norm is creation.

00:25:03.160 The norm is what

00:25:03.640 we were made to do

00:25:04.400 and I think God

00:25:05.960 is a lot funnier

00:25:06.800 than most people do.

00:25:07.720 I think he threw in

00:25:08.960 a lot of variation

00:25:10.120 and we should respect

00:25:11.020 that variation

00:25:11.660 but you can't be tolerant

00:25:13.400 without a center.

00:25:16.280 We are making this argument

00:25:17.680 and we are making the argument

00:25:18.680 for the center,

00:25:19.660 for the fact that

00:25:20.340 this country is great,

00:25:21.480 for the fact that

00:25:22.020 freedom is great

00:25:22.660 and I'm just happy to be here.

00:25:24.520 I'm just happy

00:25:24.860 that I'm still alive.

00:25:25.800 I'm just going to add

00:25:26.400 for Media Matters

00:25:27.020 that asterisk.

00:25:27.560 When he says white people

00:25:28.340 off the earth,

00:25:28.920 he does not mean that physically.

00:25:30.120 Trust me,

00:25:30.460 it's the ideology.

00:25:31.120 I guess that's true.

00:25:35.060 I'll try to get us

00:25:35.860 some more Media Matters

00:25:36.680 fact checks on this point

00:25:37.640 but speaking of diversity

00:25:40.740 and variation here,

00:25:41.880 I think that is kind

00:25:42.760 of the point.

00:25:43.500 In our first business,

00:25:45.220 the first version

00:25:45.880 of this business,

00:25:46.700 we have more political diversity

00:25:50.280 than any channel

00:25:51.260 on the left

00:25:51.880 or the right.

00:25:52.400 It's actually true.

00:25:52.840 We've got the entire gamut

00:25:53.880 of the right.

00:25:54.380 It doesn't exist anywhere

00:25:55.500 and obviously the left

00:25:56.600 is completely uniform

00:25:57.600 and we've taken that

00:25:59.000 through every other

00:26:00.220 new business

00:26:00.840 that we're starting,

00:26:01.440 the books and the movies

00:26:02.260 and everything else

00:26:03.140 and it made me realize

00:26:05.620 that being a unique company

00:26:08.380 either could have

00:26:09.220 completely killed us

00:26:10.120 in the first 12 months

00:26:11.040 or it meant that it would be

00:26:12.440 this rocket ship

00:26:13.140 that we're on.

00:26:14.020 When the game is rigged,

00:26:15.720 you have to break the rules

00:26:17.060 and that's exactly what,

00:26:18.040 there are places

00:26:19.640 for conservatives

00:26:20.460 in our rigged liberal society.

00:26:22.600 You're allowed to write

00:26:23.400 certain columns

00:26:24.140 on certain topics.

00:26:25.320 You're allowed to maybe

00:26:26.240 give a few speeches

00:26:27.160 here or there

00:26:27.840 or even run for Congress

00:26:28.780 but there are things

00:26:29.840 that you can't do

00:26:30.620 and that's why

00:26:31.100 we're always going to be

00:26:31.780 the losers

00:26:32.200 and we're always going

00:26:32.840 to be the second party

00:26:33.600 and then DW walked up

00:26:35.120 to the window,

00:26:35.980 kicked the glass in

00:26:36.940 and just started doing

00:26:37.840 whatever the hell we want

00:26:39.120 and it's taken off

00:26:40.140 like a rocket.

00:26:40.500 I want to say one thing

00:26:41.460 about this which is that

00:26:42.360 what it makes me feel

00:26:43.580 most of all is grateful

00:26:44.740 mainly, not just to God

00:26:46.080 of course,

00:26:46.660 but grateful that

00:26:48.240 we went out on a limb

00:26:49.820 because we knew

00:26:50.460 that there was an audience

00:26:51.280 out there for all of this

00:26:52.100 because we are a business.

00:26:53.020 We are not a 501c3.

00:26:54.140 And what that means

00:26:55.000 is that everything

00:26:55.620 that we do

00:26:56.100 is driven first and foremost

00:26:57.480 by looking at the market

00:26:59.260 and seeing is there

00:27:00.380 a market for this

00:27:01.000 because Jeremy and I

00:27:01.760 have been talking

00:27:02.200 about doing movies

00:27:02.900 since literally

00:27:03.600 our very first conversation

00:27:04.840 we ever had together

00:27:05.780 was how do we make

00:27:06.940 conservative movies

00:27:07.540 and you were doing

00:27:07.940 Declaration Entertainment

00:27:08.640 at the time

00:27:09.100 which was a 501c3

00:27:10.300 in which people gave money

00:27:11.600 so that you could make movies

00:27:12.760 and it didn't go anywhere

00:27:14.100 and the reason it didn't go anywhere

00:27:15.120 is because it was not

00:27:15.740 a market-based business

00:27:16.440 and the market was not right

00:27:17.380 because the left

00:27:17.840 had not pushed far enough

00:27:18.680 to the left at that point

00:27:19.960 and one of the things

00:27:20.900 that I think

00:27:21.440 is the most gratifying

00:27:23.400 about all of this

00:27:24.040 is the recognition

00:27:24.740 that the reason we're winning

00:27:25.900 is not because

00:27:26.680 we're so great at this

00:27:28.020 although to be honest

00:27:29.100 we are

00:27:29.380 but it's because

00:27:30.720 all of our supporters

00:27:32.120 are there

00:27:32.900 they're the ones

00:27:33.720 who are picking us up

00:27:34.360 they're the ones

00:27:34.700 who are funding all of this

00:27:35.700 they're the ones

00:27:36.080 who are making

00:27:36.460 all of this happen

00:27:37.180 I mean that's

00:27:37.980 an amazing experience

00:27:38.660 I get a lot of questions

00:27:39.540 all the time

00:27:39.920 because you know

00:27:40.880 not as much as Jeremy

00:27:42.360 but I get confronted

00:27:43.220 a lot publicly

00:27:43.800 and ask for pictures

00:27:44.680 some people know who I am

00:27:46.360 and when that happens

00:27:48.740 I tend to be pretty nice about it

00:27:50.340 which runs counter

00:27:51.360 both to my nature

00:27:52.320 as well as my nature

00:27:53.100 your nature and your reputation

00:27:55.100 right

00:27:55.400 and I'm asked about that

00:27:57.060 and I say

00:27:57.740 the reason that I do that

00:27:58.980 is because

00:27:59.780 when

00:28:00.740 I'm like an actor

00:28:01.800 when people come up to me

00:28:02.600 and they say that they enjoy the show

00:28:03.620 what they mean is that

00:28:04.900 they've been actually

00:28:05.700 listening to the ideas

00:28:06.980 that I'm promoting

00:28:07.600 and so the fact that

00:28:08.660 our ideas are finding

00:28:09.800 fertile ground

00:28:10.520 that's the part

00:28:11.380 that I'm really grateful for

00:28:12.220 the fact that there is

00:28:13.020 a crowd out there

00:28:13.680 that supports this

00:28:14.380 and that feels emboldened by this

00:28:15.660 and that feels energized by this

00:28:16.880 and that wants to join the fight

00:28:17.960 that's what I feel really good about

00:28:19.300 because I mean honestly

00:28:20.280 we would be doing this stuff for free

00:28:21.400 and we did do this stuff for free

00:28:22.400 for literally years

00:28:23.340 but we don't have to do this stuff

00:28:24.600 for free anymore

00:28:25.140 and because we're not doing it for free

00:28:26.440 we're able to do so much more stuff

00:28:28.000 so much bigger stuff

00:28:29.040 because of the people

00:28:29.820 who support the agenda

00:28:30.700 and that's

00:28:31.480 I'm more optimistic about the country now

00:28:33.280 than I was

00:28:33.800 a year ago

00:28:35.020 five years ago

00:28:35.660 ten years ago

00:28:36.380 in many ways

00:28:37.020 because I feel like the pushback

00:28:38.080 has finally arrived

00:28:38.940 the pushback I think a lot of us

00:28:39.960 have been waiting for

00:28:40.560 one of the beautiful things

00:28:41.660 about building alternatives

00:28:42.660 is

00:28:43.200 suddenly

00:28:44.380 which is what the right

00:28:45.600 has not been doing

00:28:46.280 for basically our entire lives

00:28:47.720 but suddenly

00:28:49.300 when you begin

00:28:50.200 building alternatives

00:28:51.160 everything the left does

00:28:52.940 actually becomes

00:28:54.240 an opportunity for us

00:28:55.360 right

00:28:55.540 like it becomes an opportunity

00:28:56.660 for us to succeed

00:28:57.540 you know

00:28:58.040 we talked at our town hall

00:28:59.800 a few weeks ago

00:29:00.600 about all the money

00:29:01.660 that Disney is going to spend

00:29:02.600 on kids content

00:29:03.420 in this next year

00:29:04.860 and I thought

00:29:05.240 bring it on

00:29:05.920 it's just direct advertising

00:29:07.200 for us

00:29:07.620 at this point

00:29:08.380 when they say the kinds of things

00:29:10.080 that they've said

00:29:10.580 over the last several weeks

00:29:11.500 about their open agenda

00:29:12.720 with their children's content

00:29:14.340 I hope that they spend

00:29:16.280 billions of dollars

00:29:17.080 because I don't have

00:29:18.560 billions of dollars

00:29:19.240 to spend

00:29:19.620 telling people

00:29:20.120 that they need to come over here

00:29:21.040 so I'm glad that they're

00:29:22.040 telling them

00:29:22.440 that they should come over here

00:29:23.380 yeah

00:29:23.760 well first of all

00:29:25.020 I just want to say

00:29:25.460 that I personally

00:29:26.340 should be getting more credit

00:29:28.680 as the trailblazer

00:29:30.560 of children's content

00:29:31.360 at Daily Wire

00:29:31.980 no there's no

00:29:33.520 as the children's author

00:29:34.540 and there's our top

00:29:35.400 LGBTQRs

00:29:36.520 and women

00:29:37.360 there's many hats

00:29:39.120 rainbow plethora of hats

00:29:41.040 but the other thing also

00:29:42.720 is that

00:29:43.080 talking about the opportunity

00:29:44.480 it's like Hollywood

00:29:45.760 is kind of reverting back

00:29:46.940 to what conservative

00:29:47.840 and Christian entertainment

00:29:48.600 was in the 90s

00:29:49.940 where it's just

00:29:50.640 it's message first

00:29:51.960 story script

00:29:53.640 acting second

00:29:54.760 and so this is kind of

00:29:55.920 our opportunity

00:29:56.420 to actually put the entertainment

00:29:57.720 first and foremost

00:29:59.580 have you seen

00:30:00.060 what unbelievable hypocrites

00:30:02.040 these jackasses are

00:30:02.820 this story about how

00:30:04.200 they took that new

00:30:05.280 Harry Potter spinoff

00:30:06.480 yes

00:30:06.720 first of all

00:30:07.180 first of all

00:30:07.880 J.K. Rowling retconning

00:30:10.020 Dumbledore into a gay man

00:30:11.120 because she realized

00:30:12.060 there's not enough wokeness

00:30:12.860 in her series

00:30:13.300 back in like 2009

00:30:14.240 it was hilarious

00:30:15.160 it made her a hero

00:30:15.820 for about five minutes

00:30:16.640 for five minutes

00:30:17.200 before they realized

00:30:17.860 she actually thought

00:30:18.300 women existed

00:30:18.800 now she's a villain again

00:30:19.740 who's in league

00:30:20.300 with Vladimir Putin

00:30:20.900 by the way

00:30:21.300 which is a new one

00:30:21.880 but Hollywood decided

00:30:24.460 that they were just

00:30:24.960 going to remove

00:30:25.440 all the gay references

00:30:26.220 from this movie

00:30:27.720 which is designed

00:30:28.280 largely for pre-teens

00:30:30.060 in China

00:30:30.580 because China was like

00:30:31.700 no we're not

00:30:32.180 we're not going to

00:30:32.760 show this movie

00:30:33.360 and you're going to

00:30:33.760 lose hundreds of

00:30:34.220 millions of dollars

00:30:34.860 unless you remove

00:30:35.440 this six seconds

00:30:36.200 that is in this movie

00:30:38.040 basically just to

00:30:38.900 please GLAAD

00:30:39.440 and Hollywood

00:30:40.660 was like

00:30:41.240 well you know

00:30:42.080 it's very important

00:30:42.700 people in China

00:30:43.180 see this movie

00:30:43.680 very very important

00:30:44.700 people in China

00:30:45.260 see this movie

00:30:45.680 and so this tells me

00:30:47.100 two things

00:30:47.440 one these people

00:30:47.900 have no principles

00:30:48.420 at all

00:30:48.900 and two

00:30:49.360 this is actually

00:30:50.580 really good news

00:30:51.100 they are responsive

00:30:52.060 to a market

00:30:52.600 if the market

00:30:53.120 says no to them

00:30:54.140 and this is really good

00:30:55.440 because our agenda

00:30:56.600 is not just to

00:30:57.480 provide a competitor

00:30:58.240 for these folks

00:30:58.820 it's to show them

00:30:59.740 that we are a competitor

00:31:00.380 to them

00:31:00.800 so that they stop

00:31:01.660 doing this

00:31:02.260 so that they compete

00:31:03.400 because right now

00:31:04.300 they don't compete

00:31:05.140 for our business

00:31:05.760 they take our business

00:31:06.900 for granted

00:31:07.480 did you see

00:31:08.280 I want to take my kids

00:31:09.100 to Disneyland

00:31:09.480 I don't want my kids

00:31:10.340 to go to Disneyland

00:31:10.820 where they won't see

00:31:11.440 ladies and gentlemen

00:31:12.140 boys and girls

00:31:12.840 so I'd like them

00:31:13.720 to go back to saying

00:31:14.340 ladies and gentlemen

00:31:14.960 boys and girls

00:31:15.660 because as it turns out

00:31:16.620 that is the entire

00:31:17.420 spectrum of humanity

00:31:18.100 there are no other people

00:31:18.980 did you see

00:31:19.900 at Dallas Love Airport

00:31:21.140 they're trying out

00:31:22.340 these new seven foot tall

00:31:23.400 robots

00:31:23.900 that have cameras

00:31:24.920 they make announcements

00:31:25.620 they have cameras

00:31:26.280 and if you're not

00:31:27.020 wearing your mask

00:31:27.940 they're going to yell

00:31:28.720 at you for not

00:31:29.360 wearing your mask

00:31:30.000 and they can call

00:31:30.720 the cops

00:31:31.120 they're just trying

00:31:31.860 them out

00:31:32.140 but there's a possibility

00:31:33.760 they'll roll these

00:31:34.380 things out

00:31:34.800 at other airports

00:31:35.860 they're called

00:31:36.200 Karens

00:31:36.640 they're called

00:31:37.460 yes the Karen machine

00:31:38.400 and it got me thinking

00:31:39.760 so now we've got

00:31:40.980 surveillance everywhere

00:31:41.880 we've got robots

00:31:42.720 yelling on us

00:31:43.320 to muzzle ourselves

00:31:44.080 America is now

00:31:45.940 a lot like China

00:31:47.080 except the movies

00:31:48.360 are just a little gayer

00:31:49.480 you know

00:31:49.780 the movies are just

00:31:50.540 a little more woke

00:31:51.620 but that's a very

00:31:53.200 scary thing

00:31:53.820 when you see it

00:31:54.200 in the politics

00:31:54.680 and the corporations

00:31:55.420 if you don't fight

00:31:56.400 back now

00:31:56.700 if you don't get

00:31:57.060 Elon to buy Twitter

00:31:58.000 if you don't

00:31:58.660 start pushing back

00:31:59.440 on that whole apparatus

00:32:00.380 it just suffocates

00:32:01.440 I love the people

00:32:02.580 at Twitter

00:32:03.220 complaining that

00:32:04.280 Elon was going to

00:32:04.940 stop them

00:32:05.280 from censoring

00:32:05.780 conservatives

00:32:06.360 I mean at least

00:32:08.540 they're open about it

00:32:09.320 you know Washington Post

00:32:10.080 had an entire article

00:32:11.140 from Jeff Bezos

00:32:12.040 democracy dies in darkness

00:32:13.620 democracy dies in darkness

00:32:15.120 but we need more darkness

00:32:16.280 or else democracy will die

00:32:17.500 and we can't have rich people

00:32:18.400 telling us what to say

00:32:19.220 yeah we definitely cannot

00:32:20.100 can we Mr. Bezos

00:32:20.940 no no you can't have that

00:32:22.100 but it is

00:32:23.520 again I'm very gratified

00:32:25.000 that they're

00:32:25.440 I think the pushback

00:32:26.480 this year is going to be huge

00:32:28.200 and I think frankly

00:32:29.340 that the biggest vulnerability

00:32:30.060 is something that Matt

00:32:31.440 has mentioned before

00:32:32.040 and that is

00:32:32.400 weak-kneed Republicans

00:32:33.180 man I mean

00:32:33.960 if I have to watch

00:32:34.880 Spencer Cox

00:32:35.640 the Utah governor

00:32:36.500 refer to his own

00:32:37.660 gender pronouns again

00:32:39.360 Utah is the reddest state

00:32:40.920 in America

00:32:41.460 okay like what in the world

00:32:43.240 is happening

00:32:43.720 the Mormons will tell you this

00:32:44.780 the Mormons are

00:32:45.440 very left-wing

00:32:46.840 religious

00:32:47.820 you know

00:32:48.740 they're very culturally left

00:32:50.040 I think

00:32:50.460 guys like Spencer Cox

00:32:51.960 he's kind of betting on

00:32:53.200 the anti-gender ideology

00:32:55.980 backlash among conservatives

00:32:57.140 is sort of a trend

00:32:57.940 it's a fad

00:32:58.620 and we'll get over it

00:32:59.420 and we'll get back to

00:33:00.460 you know

00:33:01.100 focusing on taxes

00:33:02.060 and all the rest of it

00:33:02.880 but I think that's

00:33:04.000 I think that's the wrong bet

00:33:04.860 I think this is something

00:33:05.460 people are going to

00:33:05.920 you know it's also

00:33:06.800 it's also this

00:33:07.180 it's just the cult of niceness

00:33:08.880 yep

00:33:09.240 yeah

00:33:09.680 niceness

00:33:10.760 niceness is not goodness

00:33:12.860 niceness is not righteousness

00:33:14.500 but I think we

00:33:15.020 I think we should remain

00:33:15.980 I think we should remain

00:33:16.900 loving and accepting

00:33:17.760 of people

00:33:18.120 loving and accepting

00:33:18.820 is not the same as

00:33:19.520 no of course not

00:33:20.280 but I mean

00:33:20.840 I think we should remain

00:33:21.540 loving and accepting

00:33:22.200 but understand

00:33:22.940 well loving but not

00:33:23.680 accepting necessarily

00:33:24.460 but you know

00:33:25.200 the thing is

00:33:25.760 the thing is

00:33:26.260 in order to be accepting

00:33:28.080 you need a norm

00:33:28.920 you know

00:33:29.360 when you're an artist

00:33:31.060 you're an oddball

00:33:32.020 you know

00:33:32.480 you're outside of the norm

00:33:33.580 I've all my life

00:33:34.900 I've known that like

00:33:35.660 I'm here

00:33:36.600 I'm living in the house

00:33:37.740 of the garbage man

00:33:38.900 and the cop

00:33:39.420 and the businessman

00:33:40.300 I've always understood that

00:33:41.740 you know

00:33:41.960 that I'm like the entertainer

00:33:43.320 I'm the guy

00:33:43.880 hopefully I entertain

00:33:44.860 and enlighten

00:33:45.420 and do all that stuff

00:33:46.560 but I'm not the guy

00:33:47.360 who builds the house

00:33:48.160 I live in the house

00:33:49.300 I mean Homer lives

00:33:50.260 in the house of the soldiers

00:33:51.140 you know

00:33:51.500 that's the way it is

00:33:52.580 if the soldiers aren't there

00:33:53.680 there's no Homer

00:33:54.440 if Homer's not there

00:33:55.120 there's still soldiers

00:33:56.140 you know

00:33:56.700 they can live

00:33:57.280 and I think that

00:33:58.100 understanding that you're not

00:33:59.540 at the center of things

00:34:00.540 makes you more valuable

00:34:01.740 in what you do

00:34:02.780 if you do it well

00:34:03.500 and if you serve the center

00:34:04.480 I do not understand

00:34:05.960 I do not understand

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00:34:08.060 should accept

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00:35:37.140 and we have another question

00:35:38.080 from one of the members

00:35:39.720 that Ben so eloquently

00:35:40.660 pointed out

00:35:42.240 pay our bills

00:35:43.140 make it possible

00:35:43.740 for us to engage

00:35:44.420 in the cultural battles

00:35:45.820 that we're engaged in

00:35:46.680 at the Daily Wire

00:35:47.300 how can we help people

00:35:48.680 understand that life

00:35:49.720 involves pain

00:35:50.460 and that not everything

00:35:51.580 is supposed to be easy

00:35:53.140 that's like

00:35:54.620 it's like the great question

00:35:55.600 how the hell

00:35:56.480 should we know

00:35:57.000 yeah

00:35:58.560 if you just wait around

00:35:59.840 long enough

00:36:00.240 yeah they'll figure it out

00:36:01.140 yeah they'll figure it out

00:36:01.720 well

00:36:01.840 the first thing is that we

00:36:03.880 teach in gratitude

00:36:05.640 right

00:36:06.000 I mean

00:36:06.380 understanding that life

00:36:07.980 is not supposed to be easy

00:36:09.080 is the first step

00:36:10.320 toward becoming

00:36:11.200 a grateful person

00:36:11.980 which means being

00:36:12.440 a happy person

00:36:13.020 because then you're

00:36:14.480 grateful for the good

00:36:15.100 stuff that happens

00:36:15.680 rather than ungrateful

00:36:16.360 for the bad stuff

00:36:17.000 that happens

00:36:17.460 there's a picture

00:36:18.520 for the Kansas City Royals

00:36:19.840 in Dan Quisenberry

00:36:20.620 and he passed away

00:36:22.520 of brain cancer

00:36:23.240 I believe in the 90s

00:36:23.900 and when he was diagnosed

00:36:24.840 with brain cancer

00:36:25.520 he said

00:36:26.940 he's still

00:36:27.740 you know

00:36:28.120 upbeat

00:36:28.720 people are asking him

00:36:29.460 why are you so upbeat

00:36:30.680 he said well because

00:36:31.600 when most people

00:36:32.760 would ask me like

00:36:33.580 people go into this mode

00:36:34.700 and they say

00:36:35.040 why me

00:36:35.720 and he said

00:36:36.040 well why not me

00:36:36.800 I mean that's kind of

00:36:37.600 meaning like

00:36:38.280 that is unfortunately

00:36:40.160 life

00:36:40.940 I mean just

00:36:41.340 bad stuff happens

00:36:42.660 to everyone

00:36:43.340 and the question is

00:36:44.940 how grateful are you

00:36:45.500 going to be

00:36:45.720 for the good stuff

00:36:46.240 that happens to you

00:36:46.920 and I think that

00:36:47.340 because we

00:36:48.000 I've said this before

00:36:49.260 but I think

00:36:49.600 maybe the most

00:36:50.420 meaningful single verse

00:36:51.880 in the Bible

00:36:52.280 after human beings

00:36:53.640 are made in the image

00:36:54.180 of God

00:36:54.480 is

00:36:55.340 Yeshua got fat

00:36:56.460 and kicked

00:36:56.780 I think that's

00:36:57.600 the description

00:36:57.960 of all civilized societies

00:36:59.840 it's from Deuteronomy

00:37:00.900 the idea being that

00:37:02.380 once you

00:37:03.120 once you

00:37:03.860 live in a fat

00:37:05.000 and happy society

00:37:05.900 you forget

00:37:06.240 there's supposed to be pain

00:37:07.100 you forget

00:37:07.700 that God

00:37:08.560 is protecting you

00:37:09.220 from a lot of these things

00:37:10.060 you forgot

00:37:10.600 the foundations

00:37:11.300 of your society

00:37:11.980 that allowed you

00:37:12.460 to escape

00:37:12.940 that pain

00:37:13.700 you start wailing away

00:37:14.800 at those foundations

00:37:15.480 with a sledgehammer

00:37:16.280 and then you're shocked

00:37:16.840 when the building

00:37:17.240 comes caving in on you

00:37:18.200 and so

00:37:19.020 I think that

00:37:20.520 we are privileged

00:37:21.720 to have lived

00:37:23.200 in the freest

00:37:23.680 most prosperous country

00:37:24.740 in the history

00:37:25.080 of the world

00:37:25.580 and so

00:37:26.320 we are not used

00:37:27.480 to any level of pain

00:37:28.480 to the point

00:37:28.820 where we're idiots

00:37:29.540 about even

00:37:30.560 allowing certain

00:37:31.700 baseline levels of risk

00:37:32.760 to exist in our lives

00:37:33.480 which is why

00:37:33.800 we're masking up

00:37:34.300 two year olds

00:37:34.660 on planes still

00:37:35.380 it's an interesting point

00:37:37.860 that there's a great writer

00:37:39.560 that I just discovered

00:37:40.380 this year

00:37:40.780 named Thomas Trahearn

00:37:41.840 who wrote what C.S. Lewis

00:37:43.120 called the most beautiful

00:37:44.000 book in the world

00:37:44.700 if you've never read this

00:37:45.860 it's a wonderful book

00:37:47.120 but he talks about this

00:37:48.700 he talks about this

00:37:49.740 exact thing

00:37:50.560 that every day

00:37:52.240 you wake up

00:37:52.740 and like the sun

00:37:53.440 is still there

00:37:54.100 and you don't see it

00:37:55.280 you know

00:37:55.520 you don't see

00:37:56.040 that the sun is there

00:37:56.840 and it provides

00:37:57.680 all this heat

00:37:58.400 and warmth

00:37:58.860 and you know

00:37:59.340 gives you the vegetation

00:38:00.300 you do not see it

00:38:01.780 but when things go wrong

00:38:02.880 you say

00:38:03.200 why me

00:38:03.800 but you didn't ask

00:38:04.760 all the other days

00:38:05.780 why me

00:38:06.640 why am I here

00:38:07.900 why do I get to do this

00:38:08.800 why do I get to live

00:38:09.740 you know

00:38:10.160 where were you

00:38:11.120 when I created the

00:38:12.000 where were

00:38:12.720 you know

00:38:13.040 but yeah

00:38:13.440 I mean

00:38:13.980 it is a thing

00:38:15.120 that every day

00:38:16.180 is a day

00:38:16.700 and every day

00:38:17.220 is like this kind of

00:38:17.900 celebration of life

00:38:19.320 and yeah

00:38:19.860 I do have an important

00:38:20.840 tool too here

00:38:21.920 which is

00:38:22.400 this is

00:38:23.240 as an attitudinal matter

00:38:25.180 probably the central

00:38:26.780 Catholic insight

00:38:27.700 which is

00:38:28.720 suffering

00:38:29.560 is not

00:38:30.440 necessarily

00:38:31.360 bad

00:38:32.060 suffering

00:38:33.060 you know

00:38:33.340 you get the caricature

00:38:34.160 of a Catholic

00:38:34.600 like flogging himself

00:38:35.620 and running down

00:38:36.260 the street

00:38:36.500 bleeding

00:38:36.820 but there is

00:38:37.800 a lot of wisdom

00:38:38.620 in recognizing

00:38:39.720 suffering is

00:38:40.900 as you say Ben

00:38:41.620 it's a fact

00:38:42.780 it's neither morally

00:38:44.140 good or morally bad

00:38:45.300 it's just something

00:38:45.860 that you will encounter

00:38:47.000 and so

00:38:47.880 you do have a moral

00:38:49.000 choice here though

00:38:49.640 and the moral choice

00:38:50.860 is how you react

00:38:51.960 to the inevitable

00:38:52.900 suffering

00:38:53.440 that you will endure

00:38:54.220 that's just the core

00:38:54.960 of free will

00:38:55.420 will you do it

00:38:56.200 in a way that is

00:38:56.820 destructive

00:38:57.360 and harms you

00:38:58.220 and harms the people

00:38:58.820 around you

00:38:59.260 or will you do it

00:39:00.300 in a way that is

00:39:00.940 edifying

00:39:01.480 I think

00:39:02.380 spiritually edifying

00:39:03.500 but certainly even

00:39:04.600 just physically edifying

00:39:06.060 you know the old

00:39:06.640 whatever doesn't kill me

00:39:07.440 makes me stronger

00:39:08.400 how are you going

00:39:09.520 that's the only thing

00:39:10.260 in your control

00:39:10.760 you're not

00:39:11.280 you are not

00:39:11.960 going to avoid suffering

00:39:12.960 so how are you

00:39:13.720 going to react to it

00:39:14.400 when it comes to it

00:39:14.800 and it's such a mystery

00:39:15.620 the people who

00:39:16.340 are political

00:39:17.140 you know

00:39:18.180 prisoners

00:39:18.780 and political victims

00:39:20.120 who get tortured

00:39:21.140 who get imprisoned

00:39:21.820 and come out saying

00:39:23.080 like no

00:39:23.580 now I get it

00:39:24.300 now I understand

00:39:25.160 and you know

00:39:26.140 Soltan Nissen

00:39:26.680 is a good one

00:39:27.400 Viktor Frankl writes about

00:39:28.420 Viktor Frankl

00:39:29.060 oh my god

00:39:29.620 what a great book that is

00:39:30.380 in Man's Search for Meaning

00:39:31.220 he writes at length

00:39:31.880 about the idea

00:39:32.440 that you can be

00:39:33.420 in a prison camp

00:39:34.280 they're executing

00:39:35.120 all of your friends

00:39:35.780 by shoving them

00:39:36.360 into gas chambers

00:39:37.000 but you still have

00:39:37.900 the choice in how

00:39:38.520 to address even

00:39:39.400 that situation

00:39:40.060 that's the root of

00:39:41.140 that is such a great book

00:39:42.080 and a guy who was

00:39:43.460 you know

00:39:44.040 a guy who was kind of

00:39:45.100 pushed to the side

00:39:46.520 because he invented

00:39:47.360 a therapy that actually

00:39:48.520 depended on

00:39:49.300 gratitude and God

00:39:50.520 which I think was

00:39:51.360 they were actually

00:39:51.980 working to push aside

00:39:52.940 it's wonderful

00:39:53.400 it's also the meaning

00:39:54.360 of freedom

00:39:54.800 if you are

00:39:56.360 simply the victim

00:39:57.720 of circumstance

00:39:58.620 and you take suffering

00:39:59.800 as depriving you

00:40:01.040 of choice

00:40:01.480 then you're not free

00:40:02.380 then you are a slave

00:40:03.280 but if you can actually

00:40:04.460 be facing the gas chamber

00:40:05.720 the firing line

00:40:06.620 a lion in the Colosseum

00:40:08.220 and say no

00:40:09.000 you actually can't

00:40:10.020 take from me

00:40:10.440 my dignity

00:40:10.920 you can't take from me

00:40:11.900 my faith and my hope

00:40:13.060 you're a truly free man

00:40:15.140 and by the way

00:40:16.080 I agree with you

00:40:16.580 as a person who

00:40:17.260 will avoid suffering

00:40:18.700 in every possible

00:40:19.460 it's like they say

00:40:20.220 everybody wants to go to heaven

00:40:21.040 but nobody wants to die

00:40:21.540 I think that is an aspect

00:40:22.580 of this that we haven't

00:40:23.340 hit on

00:40:23.660 which is that

00:40:24.280 the desire to avoid

00:40:26.740 suffering

00:40:27.360 or the desire

00:40:28.380 to make life

00:40:30.260 easier

00:40:31.020 than it might

00:40:31.860 ordinarily be

00:40:32.860 is a great motivating

00:40:34.660 desire in the market

00:40:35.620 I mean

00:40:36.080 it causes us to

00:40:37.260 create new technologies

00:40:38.420 it causes us to

00:40:39.280 create new therapies

00:40:40.000 it causes us to

00:40:41.000 create

00:40:41.380 the world

00:40:43.260 right

00:40:43.520 the mistake

00:40:45.540 is to believe

00:40:46.220 that simply because

00:40:46.940 man can take steps

00:40:48.560 to mitigate against

00:40:49.900 pain and suffering

00:40:50.640 pain and suffering

00:40:51.740 aren't the natural

00:40:52.560 part of the natural

00:40:54.120 state

00:40:54.300 and the other mistake

00:40:55.120 is thinking that

00:40:56.100 we've talked before

00:40:56.920 about the definition

00:40:57.480 of rights

00:40:57.920 so the modern attitude

00:40:59.600 is that actually

00:41:00.060 you have a right

00:41:00.700 to a life free

00:41:02.140 of suffering

00:41:02.780 you have a right

00:41:03.520 to the avoidance

00:41:04.120 of suffering

00:41:04.440 which actually brings us

00:41:05.380 back to the kind of

00:41:05.960 the gender ideology

00:41:06.700 conversation

00:41:07.960 because you hear it

00:41:08.860 there a lot

00:41:09.420 where for example

00:41:10.320 you know

00:41:10.920 well you got to give

00:41:12.300 someone puberty blockers

00:41:13.340 because they didn't

00:41:14.060 consent

00:41:14.620 to puberty

00:41:16.220 and puberty

00:41:17.480 there's a real thing

00:41:19.440 I did not consent

00:41:20.660 to this thing

00:41:21.860 happening to my body

00:41:22.700 it makes me uncomfortable

00:41:23.360 and so therefore

00:41:24.380 I have a right

00:41:24.980 to stop it

00:41:25.800 but that's the

00:41:27.020 natural order

00:41:27.760 of things

00:41:28.140 when I was

00:41:28.780 8 or 10 years old

00:41:30.480 one of my uncle's

00:41:32.580 wives

00:41:32.960 broke wind

00:41:34.900 in a public setting

00:41:35.940 and immediately

00:41:37.880 thereupon said

00:41:38.820 I can't believe

00:41:39.500 that did that

00:41:40.180 obviously it's a funny line

00:41:44.020 and it stuck with me

00:41:44.820 but it is part

00:41:46.520 of this

00:41:46.920 sort of

00:41:47.440 the heresy

00:41:48.600 of the moment

00:41:49.440 to believe

00:41:50.200 that your own body

00:41:51.200 is apart from you

00:41:52.280 that your own body

00:41:53.380 isn't

00:41:53.700 back to Cartesian duality

00:41:54.860 now

00:41:55.120 and we've been

00:41:56.200 trying

00:41:56.380 one of the great

00:41:57.400 catholic insights

00:41:58.000 is of course

00:41:58.420 that we are

00:41:58.780 embodied human beings

00:41:59.580 and this is

00:42:01.360 which is true

00:42:02.320 for I think

00:42:02.880 virtually all major

00:42:03.600 religions

00:42:03.900 is that you're

00:42:04.240 an embodied human being

00:42:05.060 but the Cartesian duality

00:42:06.180 that has been

00:42:06.600 so thoroughly debunked

00:42:07.540 is back

00:42:08.140 with vengeance

00:42:09.020 and all this

00:42:09.420 I also think

00:42:10.480 that we need

00:42:12.060 to separate out

00:42:12.640 types of pain years

00:42:13.480 we've been talking

00:42:14.520 about the natural pain

00:42:15.400 that's just a part

00:42:15.820 of life

00:42:16.160 illness

00:42:16.780 death

00:42:17.640 real suffering

00:42:18.720 and then there's

00:42:19.720 pain

00:42:20.020 that people

00:42:20.560 just wish

00:42:21.000 to avoid

00:42:21.460 because they

00:42:22.000 wish to avoid

00:42:22.460 anything that is

00:42:23.180 difficult for them

00:42:23.860 to do

00:42:24.240 and that's

00:42:24.780 obligation

00:42:25.180 and that's

00:42:25.620 not pain

00:42:26.140 I think

00:42:26.860 that we

00:42:27.360 in western society

00:42:28.520 have largely

00:42:29.020 conflated

00:42:29.580 the notion

00:42:30.220 of obligation

00:42:30.860 with pain

00:42:31.660 because obligation

00:42:32.320 is a burden

00:42:33.020 and burdens

00:42:33.820 are innately

00:42:34.900 more difficult

00:42:35.480 that's why

00:42:35.860 they are called

00:42:36.220 burdens

00:42:36.560 but what we

00:42:37.180 fail to realize

00:42:37.920 is that those

00:42:38.340 obligations

00:42:38.780 are what make

00:42:39.620 life fulfilling

00:42:40.180 the more

00:42:40.720 obligations

00:42:41.120 you take on

00:42:41.680 in your life

00:42:42.020 Jordan Peterson

00:42:42.980 makes this point

00:42:43.460 a lot

00:42:43.640 but it's true

00:42:44.540 long before Jordan

00:42:45.100 was saying it

00:42:45.560 the obligations

00:42:46.280 we take on

00:42:46.900 in our lives

00:42:47.500 are the things

00:42:48.400 that make us

00:42:48.820 the most human

00:42:49.440 they are the things

00:42:49.980 that define who we are

00:42:51.080 those choices we make

00:42:51.900 to take on

00:42:52.500 having a wife

00:42:53.600 having children

00:42:54.380 or getting married

00:42:56.160 having friends

00:42:57.140 being a building

00:42:57.860 part of your community

00:42:58.700 these are all

00:42:59.800 a pain in the butt

00:43:00.620 but when we say

00:43:01.340 they're a pain in the butt

00:43:01.800 we don't actually mean

00:43:02.420 that they're physically

00:43:02.920 painful or that

00:43:03.640 they're painful

00:43:04.020 in the way cancer

00:43:04.640 is painful

00:43:05.080 what we mean

00:43:05.920 is that they are

00:43:06.760 additional obligations

00:43:07.520 but a life free

00:43:08.080 of obligation

00:43:08.560 is also a life

00:43:09.340 free of all of the

00:43:10.260 bonds that actually

00:43:11.060 root you

00:43:11.720 in a community

00:43:12.720 and root you

00:43:13.620 to the things

00:43:13.980 that make you happy

00:43:14.720 the word that

00:43:16.160 we're looking for

00:43:16.620 is discipline

00:43:17.100 the Bible says

00:43:17.740 that God disciplines

00:43:18.420 those whom he loves

00:43:19.300 it doesn't say

00:43:20.000 he punishes

00:43:20.540 those whom he loves

00:43:21.180 that's a completely

00:43:21.700 different concept

00:43:22.820 discipline

00:43:23.400 you know

00:43:24.540 it's by discipline

00:43:25.840 that you graduated

00:43:26.560 law school

00:43:26.980 it's by discipline

00:43:27.620 that you write

00:43:28.320 so many crappy books

00:43:29.200 it's by discipline

00:43:29.940 that you avoid

00:43:31.820 writing books

00:43:32.340 all of that

00:43:33.660 is a great discipline

00:43:34.400 right

00:43:34.620 you're working

00:43:35.280 against your

00:43:35.880 worst impulses

00:43:39.060 in service

00:43:39.620 of perhaps

00:43:40.140 some of your

00:43:40.540 better

00:43:40.800 the better

00:43:43.540 you

00:43:43.800 that can be

00:43:44.260 revealed

00:43:44.560 through those

00:43:45.340 actions

00:43:45.660 working out

00:43:46.480 is a discipline

00:43:47.080 learning a language

00:43:47.980 is a discipline

00:43:49.940 and so

00:43:50.380 it's not that

00:43:51.300 there is no

00:43:51.880 pain in discipline

00:43:52.740 of course there is

00:43:54.040 if you just use

00:43:56.080 working out

00:43:56.600 as an example

00:43:57.200 working out

00:43:57.820 creates physical

00:43:58.720 discomfort

00:43:59.380 but through the

00:44:00.300 process of that

00:44:00.960 discomfort

00:44:01.320 one is made

00:44:01.860 stronger

00:44:02.260 and then one

00:44:03.020 can absorb

00:44:03.500 more discomfort

00:44:04.120 I mean

00:44:04.340 that's part

00:44:04.640 of the beauty

00:44:05.040 of discipline

00:44:05.620 I think that

00:44:06.500 I've heard

00:44:07.620 pastors before

00:44:09.040 say that God

00:44:10.060 punishes those

00:44:10.900 whom he loves

00:44:11.420 which I don't

00:44:12.000 see any real

00:44:12.560 evidence for that

00:44:13.320 in the text

00:44:14.360 but that he

00:44:14.700 disciplines us

00:44:16.400 certainly

00:44:17.240 that he allows

00:44:17.940 us to face

00:44:18.500 adversity

00:44:19.000 that we might

00:44:20.560 gain strength

00:44:21.140 and probably

00:44:21.980 I would say

00:44:22.420 ultimately he

00:44:22.880 allows us to

00:44:23.340 face adversity

00:44:24.780 so that we

00:44:25.340 can learn

00:44:26.160 humility

00:44:26.700 can we talk

00:44:27.260 about the

00:44:28.400 working out

00:44:28.720 thing for a

00:44:29.060 minute

00:44:29.140 have you noticed

00:44:29.720 that the left

00:44:30.100 has suddenly

00:44:30.460 become very

00:44:30.900 very anti-working

00:44:31.560 out

00:44:31.780 not just that

00:44:32.640 they're very

00:44:33.340 there's this

00:44:34.520 whole thing

00:44:34.960 online

00:44:35.300 it's a right

00:44:35.680 wing conspiracy

00:44:36.620 correct

00:44:37.040 article recently

00:44:38.400 where was that

00:44:38.860 article

00:44:39.100 I think it was

00:44:39.920 about the New

00:44:40.320 York Times

00:44:40.820 yeah about how

00:44:41.540 Slate or

00:44:42.600 Salon

00:44:43.140 I can't remember

00:44:43.740 it was this

00:44:44.040 little article

00:44:44.720 about how

00:44:45.020 it was right

00:44:45.380 wing extremism

00:44:46.280 all these

00:44:46.760 right wing

00:44:47.140 extremists in

00:44:47.780 there and

00:44:48.240 they're working

00:44:48.860 out

00:44:49.320 and it's like

00:44:49.900 unbelievable

00:44:50.340 I mean Jane

00:44:51.220 Fonda was

00:44:51.660 doing workout

00:44:52.080 videos back

00:44:52.600 in the 80s

00:44:53.060 now shortly

00:44:53.440 after she was

00:44:53.840 hobnobbing with

00:44:54.340 the Vietcong

00:44:54.760 so I'm pretty

00:44:55.220 sure that this

00:44:55.660 is not necessarily

00:44:56.180 a right wing

00:44:56.600 thing but

00:44:57.240 when did it

00:44:58.120 be the left

00:44:59.200 has decided

00:44:59.880 that they are

00:45:00.440 so invested

00:45:01.180 in breaking

00:45:02.020 the bonds

00:45:02.660 between cause

00:45:03.540 and effect

00:45:04.040 that they will

00:45:05.140 actively get

00:45:06.420 angry at you

00:45:07.340 if you're like

00:45:07.840 you know what

00:45:08.240 it would be

00:45:08.580 better if you

00:45:08.900 lost weight

00:45:09.300 I don't want to

00:45:10.800 disabuse them

00:45:11.340 of that

00:45:11.600 because they

00:45:11.980 want to get

00:45:12.280 fat

00:45:12.700 and die

00:45:13.140 in the coming

00:45:14.480 civil war

00:45:15.000 it's like

00:45:15.400 it's probably

00:45:16.080 better off

00:45:16.580 but it is

00:45:17.920 amazing

00:45:18.220 I mean there

00:45:18.580 was this whole

00:45:19.260 article

00:45:19.580 there was this

00:45:20.340 whole debate

00:45:20.720 online today

00:45:21.220 because

00:45:21.660 Shank Weger

00:45:22.460 was saying

00:45:22.980 that Joe

00:45:24.240 Rogan

00:45:24.820 and Tim

00:45:25.240 Poole

00:45:25.680 and all these

00:45:26.120 crazy right

00:45:27.740 wingers

00:45:28.120 and they named

00:45:28.600 a bunch of

00:45:28.920 people who

00:45:29.140 aren't right

00:45:29.400 wing

00:45:29.580 and he's like

00:45:30.140 all these

00:45:30.460 people

00:45:30.720 they're very

00:45:31.480 into working

00:45:32.140 out

00:45:32.500 and they pretend

00:45:33.560 it's because

00:45:34.060 they're anti-obesity

00:45:34.920 it's just because

00:45:35.280 they hate fat

00:45:35.860 people

00:45:36.100 it's obesity

00:45:36.660 phobic

00:45:37.060 and it's all

00:45:37.740 cover for

00:45:38.320 their

00:45:38.520 like Bill Maher

00:45:39.360 it's all cover

00:45:39.960 for how much

00:45:40.780 they hate fat

00:45:41.320 people when they

00:45:41.720 tell fat

00:45:42.060 people to lose

00:45:42.560 weight

00:45:42.800 it's like

00:45:43.120 you know

00:45:43.460 it's really

00:45:43.880 weird

00:45:44.180 every condition

00:45:44.860 is worse

00:45:45.200 because of

00:45:45.480 obesity

00:45:45.780 I don't

00:45:46.060 understand

00:45:46.400 like what

00:45:46.940 in the New

00:45:47.480 York Times

00:45:48.040 op-ed page

00:45:48.980 if almost

00:45:49.760 every other

00:45:51.100 day but

00:45:51.840 certainly every

00:45:52.480 week

00:45:52.820 there's an

00:45:53.640 article

00:45:53.980 by someone

00:45:55.380 saying

00:45:55.760 usually a

00:45:56.420 woman

00:45:56.620 saying

00:45:57.440 I'm

00:45:58.060 miserable

00:45:58.440 and you

00:45:58.980 can be

00:45:59.240 miserable

00:45:59.560 too

00:45:59.900 whereas

00:46:00.480 I get

00:46:01.280 letters

00:46:01.560 because I'm

00:46:02.240 very big

00:46:02.680 on moms

00:46:03.460 and families

00:46:04.020 and homemaking

00:46:04.600 I think

00:46:04.920 that they're

00:46:05.280 essential

00:46:06.120 tools

00:46:06.920 of both

00:46:07.440 society

00:46:08.040 and freedom

00:46:08.480 and I think

00:46:09.120 the problem

00:46:09.780 we have

00:46:10.320 with

00:46:11.260 the problem

00:46:12.340 I have

00:46:12.680 with feminism

00:46:13.200 is not that

00:46:13.740 women shouldn't

00:46:14.160 have a choice

00:46:14.640 but that it

00:46:15.260 advises them

00:46:16.220 against their

00:46:16.940 best choice

00:46:17.560 what is often

00:46:18.320 their best choice

00:46:18.860 and again

00:46:19.280 there are exceptions

00:46:20.020 but still

00:46:20.580 in general

00:46:21.440 this should be

00:46:22.520 one of the

00:46:22.960 elevated positions

00:46:23.940 it's a superpower

00:46:24.780 for God's sake

00:46:25.340 it's a superpower

00:46:25.700 but not just

00:46:26.920 giving birth

00:46:27.760 raising children

00:46:29.540 it's all part

00:46:31.760 of a giant

00:46:32.280 superpower

00:46:32.780 called raising

00:46:33.500 kids

00:46:33.800 houses into

00:46:34.520 homes

00:46:34.880 this is a

00:46:35.880 major thing

00:46:36.960 that supports

00:46:37.500 everything

00:46:37.940 and we don't

00:46:38.620 give it enough

00:46:39.100 credit

00:46:39.380 and we don't

00:46:39.740 support it

00:46:40.160 and now

00:46:40.500 with feminism

00:46:41.000 we actually

00:46:41.600 attack it

00:46:42.080 and I get

00:46:42.820 letters all

00:46:43.620 the time

00:46:44.020 every single

00:46:44.820 day from

00:46:45.160 women saying

00:46:45.580 I took your

00:46:46.640 advice

00:46:47.020 or I was

00:46:47.420 encouraged

00:46:47.760 to do this

00:46:48.140 and now

00:46:48.360 I'm so much

00:46:48.800 happier

00:46:49.120 whereas the

00:46:49.620 New York

00:46:49.940 Times

00:46:50.320 actually has

00:46:51.220 every week

00:46:51.940 has an

00:46:53.060 article by

00:46:53.620 a woman

00:46:54.200 saying

00:46:54.560 boy I'm

00:46:55.360 miserable

00:46:55.680 and you

00:46:56.220 should do

00:46:56.640 this too

00:46:57.080 because then

00:46:57.820 we'll all

00:46:58.160 be miserable

00:46:58.600 together

00:47:00.920 is basically

00:47:01.980 the leftist

00:47:02.480 pitch

00:47:02.680 it really

00:47:03.500 is

00:47:03.740 from economics

00:47:04.280 to social

00:47:04.700 policy

00:47:05.060 it is all

00:47:05.640 the leftist

00:47:06.060 pitch

00:47:06.220 we will all

00:47:07.380 be miserable

00:47:07.840 together

00:47:08.340 we'll be equal

00:47:09.240 in our misery

00:47:09.740 and that's

00:47:11.240 utopia

00:47:11.600 utopia is

00:47:12.300 we are all

00:47:12.760 equal in our

00:47:13.200 misery

00:47:13.400 this is

00:47:14.000 something that

00:47:14.460 I guess I

00:47:15.580 can't say a lot

00:47:16.020 about it

00:47:16.340 but making

00:47:16.800 the film

00:47:17.460 we went to

00:47:18.720 Africa

00:47:19.040 and

00:47:19.640 easy now

00:47:21.200 that's in

00:47:23.120 the teaser

00:47:23.660 you may want

00:47:24.780 to leave

00:47:25.020 the chat

00:47:25.400 for a while

00:47:25.760 the one

00:47:26.680 thing I will

00:47:27.440 say is

00:47:27.920 that

00:47:28.100 talking to

00:47:28.980 a tribal

00:47:29.540 community

00:47:31.840 in Africa

00:47:32.600 very focused

00:47:34.560 on duty

00:47:35.560 and obligation

00:47:36.220 that's everything

00:47:37.180 is your roles

00:47:37.840 and your

00:47:38.040 responsibility

00:47:38.480 and this is

00:47:40.100 not a lifestyle

00:47:40.760 that any of us

00:47:41.380 would want to

00:47:41.740 live

00:47:41.940 living in

00:47:42.460 mud huts

00:47:42.820 and so on

00:47:43.300 but because

00:47:44.860 they knew

00:47:45.580 what their

00:47:45.820 duties and

00:47:46.040 responsibilities

00:47:46.380 were

00:47:46.640 they had

00:47:46.900 no questions

00:47:47.560 about their

00:47:47.900 identity

00:47:48.280 they didn't

00:47:49.280 think about

00:47:49.620 that

00:47:49.800 and there

00:47:50.820 was also

00:47:51.560 certain contentment

00:47:52.200 because you knew

00:47:52.680 what you were

00:47:53.020 supposed to do

00:47:53.600 and we've

00:47:54.380 gotten rid of

00:47:55.080 that sense

00:47:56.020 of what are you

00:47:56.500 supposed to do

00:47:56.960 so you lose

00:47:57.360 your sense

00:47:57.740 of identity

00:47:58.340 but this is a

00:47:59.680 great point

00:48:00.160 Matt

00:48:00.360 are conservatives

00:48:01.720 willing to

00:48:02.620 articulate

00:48:03.180 and defend

00:48:04.400 and dare I

00:48:05.180 even use the

00:48:05.700 word

00:48:05.920 enforce

00:48:06.860 a norm

00:48:08.260 and say that

00:48:09.180 not all norms

00:48:09.900 need to be

00:48:10.360 blown up

00:48:10.840 to Drew's point

00:48:11.540 I don't know

00:48:12.460 that we are

00:48:13.040 because we're

00:48:13.580 nice guys

00:48:14.820 and we don't

00:48:15.360 actually care

00:48:16.100 how people

00:48:16.680 live their lives

00:48:17.240 and we just

00:48:17.580 kind of want

00:48:18.020 to have a nice

00:48:18.680 family and live

00:48:19.280 in a nice

00:48:19.620 society

00:48:19.980 are we really

00:48:20.860 willing to say

00:48:21.400 hey

00:48:21.680 don't chop

00:48:22.480 off that

00:48:22.860 body part

00:48:23.320 that's an

00:48:23.640 important one

00:48:24.140 by the way

00:48:24.560 doctors shouldn't

00:48:25.460 do that

00:48:25.800 are we really

00:48:26.700 willing to do

00:48:27.520 what our

00:48:28.600 society did

00:48:29.240 only in moments

00:48:30.420 like that

00:48:31.520 when they're

00:48:31.800 chopping people

00:48:32.440 up and we're

00:48:33.180 disgusted by it

00:48:34.200 because of some

00:48:34.920 natural disgust

00:48:36.080 that we can't

00:48:36.620 defend and debate

00:48:37.500 but nonetheless

00:48:38.740 it's right

00:48:39.260 right

00:48:39.540 I mean the

00:48:39.880 problem we have

00:48:40.620 and it is a

00:48:41.160 serious intellectual

00:48:42.580 philosophical problem

00:48:43.700 is we want to

00:48:44.700 remain free

00:48:45.280 and we understand

00:48:46.280 that in order

00:48:46.820 to remain free

00:48:47.560 people have to

00:48:48.200 behave in a moral

00:48:49.340 and probably

00:48:50.100 religious manner

00:48:50.980 but we can't

00:48:51.820 enforce that

00:48:52.380 religious manner

00:48:53.420 because we want

00:48:53.940 to remain free

00:48:54.600 that's right

00:48:54.960 it is a genuine

00:48:55.880 paradox

00:48:56.480 it is the

00:48:56.980 it is the

00:48:57.420 superman paradox

00:48:58.380 that's right

00:48:58.760 I always say

00:48:59.240 that superman

00:48:59.840 is the secular

00:49:00.900 american mythological

00:49:02.160 god figure

00:49:02.860 that's what

00:49:03.580 that's what

00:49:03.980 superman is

00:49:04.580 in our culture

00:49:05.080 and of course

00:49:05.940 which is why

00:49:06.640 the left

00:49:06.900 hates superman

00:49:07.480 they always try

00:49:07.880 to make him

00:49:08.300 less than that

00:49:08.900 but you know

00:49:10.100 the great problem

00:49:10.760 of superman

00:49:11.420 is that he has

00:49:13.020 the power

00:49:13.580 to defeat

00:49:14.660 every evil thing

00:49:15.900 but were he

00:49:17.120 to act upon

00:49:18.000 that power

00:49:18.520 he would himself

00:49:19.200 become

00:49:19.700 the evil thing

00:49:20.920 and so

00:49:21.380 superman

00:49:21.840 has to content

00:49:22.420 himself

00:49:22.920 with stopping

00:49:23.960 like petty

00:49:24.500 criminals

00:49:24.920 and getting

00:49:25.280 rescuing cats

00:49:25.980 out of trees

00:49:26.640 because if he

00:49:27.860 were to truly

00:49:28.260 act as superman

00:49:29.600 then he would

00:49:30.400 then he would

00:49:30.900 be like sluther

00:49:31.480 right

00:49:31.720 then he would

00:49:32.080 then he would

00:49:32.460 be the

00:49:32.780 and that

00:49:33.400 and that is

00:49:34.020 that is the

00:49:35.300 problem of free

00:49:36.280 men

00:49:36.540 well

00:49:37.020 the problem

00:49:37.440 of the problem

00:49:38.000 of free

00:49:38.340 men is that

00:49:38.880 in order to

00:49:39.560 is is is

00:49:41.440 the paradox

00:49:41.880 that one cannot

00:49:42.560 enforce

00:49:43.200 so I

00:49:44.660 I don't think

00:49:45.360 better cap

00:49:46.140 are better

00:49:46.560 capitalists

00:49:47.180 than we are

00:49:47.580 so often

00:49:48.100 yeah

00:49:48.520 they make

00:49:48.860 movies

00:49:49.280 that are

00:49:50.000 basically

00:49:50.520 propaganda

00:49:50.960 we pay

00:49:51.360 to see

00:49:51.680 them

00:49:51.880 that's right

00:49:52.320 in the same

00:49:53.080 way they are

00:49:53.820 good at

00:49:54.760 manipulating the

00:49:55.700 culture

00:49:56.100 whereas we

00:49:56.720 immediately say

00:49:57.640 like we just

00:49:58.240 need a law

00:49:58.800 to do that

00:49:59.180 this is also

00:49:59.540 the paradox

00:50:00.060 actually it's

00:50:00.780 the left

00:50:00.980 that always

00:50:01.280 says we

00:50:01.520 need a law

00:50:01.900 I think

00:50:02.140 what the

00:50:02.540 right is

00:50:02.880 doing is

00:50:03.260 a rear guard

00:50:03.640 action

00:50:03.960 what happens

00:50:04.400 the left

00:50:04.680 takes the

00:50:04.960 law away

00:50:05.300 from the

00:50:05.600 right

00:50:05.760 and then

00:50:05.920 the right

00:50:06.120 says okay

00:50:06.480 well we

00:50:06.740 need a law

00:50:07.160 in response

00:50:07.660 to fix

00:50:08.100 that

00:50:08.360 and the law

00:50:09.800 has to be

00:50:10.140 equal and

00:50:10.480 opposite

00:50:10.780 so if the

00:50:11.180 left is

00:50:11.640 forcing a

00:50:12.220 certain

00:50:12.360 behavior

00:50:12.620 we then

00:50:12.900 have to

00:50:13.200 ban

00:50:13.520 that

00:50:14.220 behavior

00:50:14.540 right

00:50:14.960 and so

00:50:15.440 the

00:50:15.820 I think

00:50:17.280 that

00:50:17.540 what

00:50:18.220 there's

00:50:19.140 something

00:50:19.280 I mean

00:50:19.660 I've been

00:50:19.840 thinking a lot

00:50:20.420 about this

00:50:20.780 lately

00:50:21.000 like how

00:50:21.300 you balance

00:50:21.720 these things

00:50:22.160 how you

00:50:22.460 achieve

00:50:22.780 liberty

00:50:23.100 without

00:50:23.400 destroying

00:50:23.880 roles

00:50:24.220 because it

00:50:24.620 is true

00:50:25.040 that liberty

00:50:25.720 can be a

00:50:26.180 universal

00:50:26.560 asset

00:50:26.940 that just

00:50:27.320 destroys

00:50:27.680 everything

00:50:28.020 around it

00:50:28.440 if it's

00:50:28.680 left

00:50:28.820 unbounded

00:50:29.580 including

00:50:29.960 liberty

00:50:30.280 100%

00:50:32.300 and the

00:50:34.100 solution

00:50:34.820 that I keep

00:50:35.220 coming back

00:50:35.660 to is that

00:50:36.320 because this

00:50:37.000 is so true

00:50:37.340 in my own

00:50:37.700 religious

00:50:37.940 community

00:50:38.260 and it's

00:50:38.460 true in

00:50:38.620 my life

00:50:38.960 in my

00:50:40.140 religious

00:50:40.400 community

00:50:40.780 there can

00:50:41.500 be an

00:50:41.920 enormous

00:50:42.280 amount

00:50:42.600 of social

00:50:43.080 pressure

00:50:43.400 to engage

00:50:44.140 in particular

00:50:44.700 behaviors

00:50:45.320 and there

00:50:45.680 can be

00:50:46.100 actual

00:50:46.440 social

00:50:46.720 consequences

00:50:47.360 for failing

00:50:48.120 to engage

00:50:48.720 in certain

00:50:49.280 behavior

00:50:49.600 and that is

00:50:49.980 good and that

00:50:50.520 is appropriate

00:50:50.980 if people

00:50:51.360 don't like

00:50:51.720 it they

00:50:51.900 can leave

00:50:52.280 and that's

00:50:52.860 true in

00:50:53.060 my local

00:50:53.360 community

00:50:53.740 and as

00:50:54.560 you abstract

00:50:55.160 out where

00:50:55.740 you're now

00:50:56.180 ruling over

00:50:56.740 more and

00:50:57.160 more people

00:50:57.600 you can't

00:50:58.460 do that

00:50:58.760 top down

00:50:59.200 what the

00:50:59.520 left does

00:51:00.160 is they

00:51:00.560 impose

00:51:00.840 secularism

00:51:01.380 top down

00:51:01.760 in order

00:51:02.060 to destroy

00:51:02.580 all the

00:51:02.900 social fabric

00:51:03.440 that exists

00:51:07.940 the reins

00:51:08.300 of power

00:51:08.660 and then

00:51:09.100 cramming

00:51:09.440 down our

00:51:09.780 values

00:51:10.120 top down

00:51:10.520 but the

00:51:10.780 truth is

00:51:11.240 that real

00:51:11.900 religion

00:51:12.320 and real

00:51:13.400 social capital

00:51:14.040 cannot be

00:51:14.820 built top

00:51:15.220 down

00:51:15.440 you can only

00:51:15.900 destroy

00:51:16.220 social capital

00:51:16.840 top down

00:51:17.300 so what you

00:51:17.740 have to do

00:51:18.160 is you have

00:51:18.540 to create

00:51:18.980 freedom up

00:51:19.520 here so that

00:51:20.200 you can build

00:51:20.660 the social

00:51:21.000 capital down

00:51:21.660 here with

00:51:22.360 all of the

00:51:22.820 actual enforcement

00:51:23.660 mechanisms that

00:51:24.380 exist in all

00:51:24.880 of our lives

00:51:25.380 right there

00:51:25.640 enforcement

00:51:26.000 mechanisms

00:51:26.320 take the

00:51:26.940 most the

00:51:27.520 basic unit

00:51:28.360 right the

00:51:28.660 family

00:51:29.000 in the family

00:51:29.840 there are

00:51:30.260 tons

00:51:30.620 there's a lot

00:51:31.520 of compulsion

00:51:31.940 in the family

00:51:32.500 there's a lot

00:51:33.040 of social

00:51:33.320 consequences

00:51:33.900 in the family

00:51:34.540 these are

00:51:34.980 also the

00:51:35.320 closest bonds

00:51:35.840 you'll ever

00:51:36.180 have with

00:51:36.480 any other

00:51:36.820 human beings

00:51:37.340 on planet

00:51:37.860 earth

00:51:38.120 and that's

00:51:38.600 perfectly

00:51:38.860 appropriate

00:51:39.280 and that is

00:51:39.740 right because

00:51:40.160 this is the

00:51:40.540 people who

00:51:40.900 are the most

00:51:41.680 local to you

00:51:42.300 they're the

00:51:42.660 people you

00:51:42.920 agree with

00:51:43.360 the most

00:51:43.660 they're the

00:51:44.000 people with

00:51:44.260 whom you

00:51:44.500 share values

00:51:45.140 they're the

00:51:45.540 people who

00:51:45.780 you're going

00:51:45.980 to share

00:51:46.240 costs and

00:51:46.980 benefits and

00:51:47.720 pain and

00:51:48.500 suffering with

00:51:49.040 right and so

00:51:49.660 you can have

00:51:50.180 a lot of

00:51:50.920 you know

00:51:51.460 heavy handedness

00:51:52.280 at the local

00:51:52.760 level that's

00:51:53.240 what a family

00:51:53.660 is as you

00:51:54.440 abstract up the

00:51:55.320 chain I

00:51:56.040 think it's a

00:51:56.400 mistake for the

00:51:56.960 right to think

00:51:57.340 okay we can do

00:51:57.880 what we do

00:51:58.140 with the

00:51:58.340 family up

00:51:58.900 here because

00:51:59.160 that's exactly

00:51:59.600 what the left

00:52:00.020 does they say

00:52:00.700 we can do

00:52:01.060 what we should

00:52:01.420 do up here

00:52:01.920 down here and

00:52:03.020 the right response

00:52:03.880 should be up

00:52:05.080 here we're going

00:52:06.060 to have to

00:52:06.680 understand that

00:52:07.240 there's a lot of

00:52:07.700 disagreement up

00:52:08.160 here and so

00:52:08.620 the basic

00:52:09.620 functions of

00:52:10.140 government we

00:52:10.480 cannot give

00:52:11.160 mass enforcement

00:52:12.340 power on

00:52:13.260 tons of issues

00:52:14.500 unless they're

00:52:15.200 really extreme

00:52:15.720 and there's

00:52:16.940 wide agreement

00:52:17.340 up here but

00:52:18.020 down here we

00:52:18.480 have to let

00:52:18.960 the social

00:52:19.780 capital be

00:52:20.200 built

00:52:20.340 the only thing

00:52:20.920 I would say

00:52:21.680 to this I

00:52:22.260 do believe I

00:52:23.360 agree with

00:52:23.880 everything you

00:52:24.480 just said the

00:52:25.220 only thing I

00:52:25.600 would say is

00:52:26.040 that we really

00:52:26.560 do have to

00:52:27.100 restore

00:52:27.880 to the

00:52:28.360 states a

00:52:29.460 certain

00:52:29.720 like in

00:52:30.220 other words

00:52:30.480 I don't

00:52:30.680 think it's

00:52:30.980 just

00:52:31.560 the state

00:52:33.280 is one of

00:52:34.180 the intervening

00:52:34.700 institutions

00:52:35.200 the fundamental

00:52:36.300 institution is

00:52:37.900 religion between

00:52:38.820 man and

00:52:39.160 God

00:52:39.380 the second

00:52:41.080 institution is

00:52:41.980 family which

00:52:43.060 is what Ben's

00:52:43.440 talking about

00:52:43.740 then you have

00:52:44.320 religious community

00:52:46.180 then you have

00:52:46.620 local community

00:52:47.700 ultimately you have

00:52:49.400 states

00:52:49.700 right but I

00:52:50.220 think it's the

00:52:50.620 state that is

00:52:51.500 but I want to

00:52:52.200 go one step

00:52:52.600 further you also

00:52:53.320 have corporations

00:52:53.920 the reason that

00:52:55.020 we're in collapse

00:52:55.540 right now the

00:52:56.040 thing that nobody

00:52:56.440 ever really wants

00:52:56.980 to talk about

00:52:57.880 is that the

00:52:58.860 final institution

00:52:59.840 that the left

00:53:00.400 has really

00:53:01.600 rotted from the

00:53:02.880 inside is

00:53:03.580 corporate America

00:53:04.500 the corporations

00:53:05.760 in this country

00:53:06.340 served an

00:53:06.740 incredibly vital

00:53:08.100 civic role

00:53:09.480 until I mean

00:53:11.100 honestly until

00:53:11.740 the last 15

00:53:12.620 years the states

00:53:13.840 have been gone

00:53:14.440 for almost a

00:53:15.220 century the

00:53:16.280 corporations have

00:53:17.260 kept Americans

00:53:18.100 free

00:53:18.320 it's funny I

00:53:18.540 was just going

00:53:18.880 to talk about

00:53:19.260 this on my

00:53:19.620 show on Friday

00:53:20.120 I completely

00:53:20.800 then the

00:53:21.240 corporations

00:53:21.520 replaced the

00:53:22.080 church is what

00:53:22.500 happened

00:53:22.640 that's right

00:53:22.940 but I just

00:53:24.200 want to take a

00:53:24.620 moment and

00:53:24.980 compliment

00:53:25.360 man because

00:53:25.740 I actually

00:53:25.980 think as

00:53:26.580 someone who's

00:53:27.160 you know I

00:53:28.580 like to think

00:53:29.100 one of the

00:53:29.380 first people

00:53:29.780 who recognized

00:53:30.640 your talent

00:53:32.160 and what you

00:53:32.480 could be beyond

00:53:32.980 just your

00:53:33.320 intellect

00:53:33.620 I think this

00:53:35.640 is the best

00:53:36.060 idea that you've

00:53:36.800 ever articulated

00:53:37.440 I think that

00:53:38.900 you know we

00:53:39.560 were on the

00:53:39.940 phone when you

00:53:40.460 sort of found

00:53:40.940 language for this

00:53:41.580 for the first

00:53:42.000 time and even

00:53:42.840 hearing you say

00:53:43.380 it again today

00:53:43.900 slightly more

00:53:44.480 refined I just

00:53:45.040 think it's

00:53:45.680 incredibly important

00:53:46.620 which is to

00:53:47.900 say that you

00:53:49.080 know one of

00:53:49.540 one of the

00:53:50.360 great lessons

00:53:51.000 I think of

00:53:51.540 2016 is that

00:53:53.420 the right needed

00:53:54.020 to actually

00:53:55.220 fight with the

00:53:55.980 same vigor with

00:53:56.800 which the left

00:53:57.300 has been fighting

00:53:57.840 against us but

00:53:58.900 one of the wrong

00:53:59.740 conclusions that

00:54:00.440 we've come to

00:54:01.040 since 2016 is

00:54:02.680 that the

00:54:03.060 techniques that

00:54:03.820 promulgate leftism

00:54:04.860 can be the

00:54:05.760 exact same

00:54:06.400 techniques that

00:54:07.020 promulgate and

00:54:08.100 it's not true

00:54:09.020 religion is the

00:54:10.580 only thing that

00:54:11.080 can ultimately

00:54:11.600 save our

00:54:12.780 freedom in our

00:54:13.320 country and

00:54:13.980 religion cannot

00:54:14.600 be enforced

00:54:15.100 top down and

00:54:16.020 it's actually

00:54:16.540 it's not that

00:54:18.460 the left

00:54:18.960 the left

00:54:20.660 didn't destroy

00:54:21.200 religion where

00:54:21.780 religion works

00:54:22.480 they destroyed

00:54:23.420 the religion by

00:54:24.340 taking away

00:54:24.860 freedom and I

00:54:25.760 think that this

00:54:26.360 one of the

00:54:27.700 things I hear on

00:54:28.280 the right an

00:54:28.860 awful lot now

00:54:29.500 that I really

00:54:30.040 disagree with is

00:54:31.660 that sort of

00:54:32.420 this is the

00:54:33.200 inevitable outcome

00:54:34.300 of liberty

00:54:34.840 well you know

00:54:36.260 almost from the

00:54:36.940 second that

00:54:37.400 George Washington

00:54:38.600 chopped down the

00:54:39.420 cherry tree we

00:54:40.020 were always going

00:54:40.540 to have drag

00:54:40.920 queen story hour

00:54:41.600 that's just a

00:54:42.620 nonsensical point

00:54:43.480 of view you

00:54:44.400 you can't treat

00:54:45.480 history as though

00:54:46.740 250 years didn't

00:54:48.100 happen and

00:54:48.940 as though every

00:54:49.600 choice that was

00:54:50.160 made was the

00:54:50.620 only choice that

00:54:51.400 could have

00:54:51.720 possibly been

00:54:52.340 made at all

00:54:53.140 the millions of

00:54:53.800 decision points

00:54:54.380 that happened in

00:54:55.400 between you can

00:54:55.940 certainly say this

00:54:56.560 is this did flow

00:54:57.800 from that but you

00:54:58.500 can't suggest this

00:54:59.660 is the only thing

00:55:00.160 that could have

00:55:00.560 flown from it and

00:55:01.680 we think right

00:55:02.920 now it's in vogue

00:55:03.700 on the right to

00:55:04.300 say what we're

00:55:06.020 dealing with now is

00:55:06.680 the consequences of

00:55:07.940 liberalism meaning

00:55:08.920 liberty and the

00:55:10.360 not meaning leftism

00:55:11.620 this is the

00:55:12.320 consequence of

00:55:13.000 liberalism and the

00:55:14.100 answer must be

00:55:15.100 illiberalism and I

00:55:16.400 think well it's

00:55:17.040 it's actually

00:55:17.500 fundamentally not

00:55:18.380 true we're not

00:55:19.620 fundamentally dealing

00:55:21.040 with the consequences

00:55:21.740 of liberalism on the

00:55:22.920 on the left right

00:55:23.740 now we're dealing

00:55:24.780 with the consequences

00:55:25.560 of illiberalism on

00:55:27.120 the left what's

00:55:28.100 really got everyone

00:55:28.820 so worked up since

00:55:30.980 essentially since

00:55:32.380 2012 I'll say 2012

00:55:34.840 because I actually

00:55:35.340 think the beginning

00:55:35.800 of the Obama era I

00:55:38.380 disagree with the

00:55:39.080 ascension of Obama

00:55:39.840 country I didn't I

00:55:40.780 didn't vote for

00:55:41.320 Barack Obama in 2008

00:55:42.340 but I do think that

00:55:42.960 the ascension of Obama

00:55:43.880 in 2008 is like what

00:55:45.920 was in some ways

00:55:46.740 America's highest

00:55:47.560 aspiration for itself

00:55:48.680 that we that's why

00:55:49.920 he won he had no

00:55:50.620 accomplishments that's

00:55:51.800 right but we were

00:55:52.520 saying something about

00:55:53.280 us we were saying we

00:55:54.020 have defeated this

00:55:55.520 sort of historical evil

00:55:57.200 in the country and

00:55:58.220 then Barack Obama made

00:55:59.200 an incredibly cynical

00:56:00.340 political decision at

00:56:01.960 just before the midpoint

00:56:03.500 of his tenure yeah which

00:56:04.920 was he could he was

00:56:06.060 elected as the there is

00:56:07.120 no black American there

00:56:08.040 is no white America

00:56:08.700 there's United States of

00:56:09.440 America he was

00:56:10.260 reelected as a no just

00:56:12.020 kidding there's only a

00:56:13.020 white America and it's

00:56:13.860 evil and we have to

00:56:14.480 defeat it Trayvon

00:56:15.180 Martin's my son Trayvon

00:56:16.200 Martin's my son yeah

00:56:17.080 that's right if I had a

00:56:17.660 son he'd look like

00:56:18.100 Trayvon and from and

00:56:19.360 from that moment the

00:56:20.420 left became utterly

00:56:21.280 illiberal and and we're

00:56:23.560 reacting 2016 was a

00:56:24.740 reaction to that

00:56:25.260 illiberalism it was a

00:56:26.240 reaction to the fact that

00:56:27.180 we were being told that

00:56:28.340 we couldn't freely

00:56:29.220 exercise our speech

00:56:30.780 that we couldn't freely

00:56:31.800 exercise our religion

00:56:33.280 that we couldn't freely

00:56:34.080 even exercise our our

00:56:35.920 base expressions of what

00:56:38.280 reality was and we're

00:56:39.800 react it's that

00:56:40.560 illiberalism fundamentally

00:56:41.660 that we've been

00:56:42.760 reacting to and I

00:56:44.240 think that this this

00:56:45.120 Obama moment changed

00:56:47.120 the country in so many

00:56:48.140 profound ways including

00:56:49.660 you brought this up a

00:56:50.440 little bit ago the

00:56:51.480 fact that the fact that

00:56:53.640 the don't don't say gay

00:56:55.020 bill down in Florida

00:56:55.980 that that that line

00:56:57.360 don't say gay that's

00:56:58.700 how the that might as

00:56:59.580 well be the name of the

00:57:00.540 bill in all mainstream

00:57:02.020 publications right the

00:57:03.280 actual centers of

00:57:04.840 journalism for the

00:57:05.540 country the New York

00:57:06.940 Times the Washington

00:57:08.320 Post the Wall Street

00:57:09.740 Journal they all without a

00:57:12.160 hint of self-awareness

00:57:13.460 identify the bill as the

00:57:16.340 don't say gay bill if we

00:57:18.440 say Joe Biden is president

00:57:20.360 we will get a missing

00:57:21.160 context fact check for not

00:57:22.900 saying and he is also a

00:57:24.220 great president the most

00:57:25.500 popular president ever

00:57:26.520 yeah they will fact check

00:57:28.200 us for it yeah the New

00:57:29.900 York Times can refer to the

00:57:31.340 legislation down in Florida

00:57:32.460 as the don't get say gay

00:57:34.480 well they put it in quotes

00:57:35.420 though so that gives them

00:57:36.240 or they say they say

00:57:37.240 they're so-called but

00:57:38.520 they won't say who says

00:57:39.440 the so-called that's right

00:57:40.140 but but in doing that

00:57:42.080 they're they're promulgating

00:57:44.520 a particular talking point

00:57:46.760 of the left with absolutely

00:57:48.960 no consequences and it's

00:57:50.300 because the illiberalism of

00:57:52.860 Barack Obama fundamentally

00:57:54.200 changed the relationship

00:57:55.220 between news media but this

00:57:57.060 is the great example this is

00:57:58.700 absolutely true and it's

00:58:00.200 always true it was true you

00:58:01.740 know in the in the Spanish

00:58:03.400 Civil War that it was the

00:58:04.920 socialism that you know

00:58:06.600 that spread out through the

00:58:07.860 community that caused the

00:58:09.860 fascists to rise it's not

00:58:11.180 right well you know the

00:58:12.580 right is always reactionary

00:58:13.540 this is why I am daily

00:58:15.540 praying that the Supreme

00:58:16.940 Court will have the guts to

00:58:19.000 overturn Roe v Wade because

00:58:20.340 in the same way that's the

00:58:22.000 evil of slavery tainted

00:58:23.520 states rights I think the

00:58:25.000 evil of abortion has tainted

00:58:26.300 the federal government and

00:58:27.740 and and it's a great I

00:58:29.620 think in the moment if if

00:58:31.320 they have the guts to

00:58:32.060 overturn it I think we will

00:58:33.380 continue this trend of what

00:58:35.260 is cultural federalism

00:58:36.900 people will start to move

00:58:38.180 to states not just because

00:58:39.240 they can get a job there

00:58:40.080 but because people live the

00:58:41.400 way they want to live and I

00:58:42.640 think that that's a

00:58:43.220 beautiful thing it could if

00:58:44.740 you follow the wrong track

00:58:46.000 it could lead to a civil war

00:58:47.260 but if you follow the you

00:58:48.520 know a more optimistic path

00:58:50.180 it could mean that we do

00:58:52.020 what we're supposed to do

00:58:52.720 which is experiment in our

00:58:53.840 states with a different

00:58:54.860 way of life

00:58:55.260 uh speaking of inequality

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01:00:54.260 backstage on I just want to

01:00:56.700 make one point about you

01:00:57.420 mentioned the Obama moment

01:00:58.680 because I was thinking

01:00:59.280 about this this past week

01:01:01.480 when we were hearing about

01:01:02.220 Kentonji Jackson and she

01:01:04.460 was confirmed and we're

01:01:06.520 supposed to accept this as a

01:01:07.520 great moment because we

01:01:09.040 have a black woman on the

01:01:09.720 Supreme Court you don't

01:01:10.560 know she's a woman neither

01:01:11.220 she oh we don't we don't

01:01:12.120 know that right but

01:01:12.700 assuming for a second that

01:01:13.740 she is a woman that she is

01:01:14.660 black because I guess we

01:01:15.160 don't really know that

01:01:15.640 either but even if I wanted

01:01:18.580 to accept that it's like

01:01:19.920 well you because of Obama

01:01:21.620 we've made racism systemic

01:01:23.580 racism into an

01:01:24.580 unfalsifiable theory so

01:01:25.960 they say you know last

01:01:28.060 week it's a big moment

01:01:29.100 we've achieved something

01:01:29.920 and the very next day

01:01:31.040 we're back to where we

01:01:31.780 started it's just like

01:01:32.380 slavery how far we have

01:01:33.300 to go and that's and

01:01:34.000 that's what happened with

01:01:34.660 Obama because they

01:01:35.460 turned racism into this

01:01:36.920 kind of like abstract thing

01:01:38.940 that exists in the ether and

01:01:40.200 so you could ask them well

01:01:41.160 okay you say we have

01:01:42.620 systemic racism or racist

01:01:44.240 country what would you need

01:01:45.940 to see happen to convince

01:01:47.660 you otherwise and there's

01:01:49.780 literally nothing that can

01:01:50.840 happen we can't even elect a

01:01:51.920 black president to convince

01:01:53.000 you otherwise and that

01:01:54.100 that's one of the things

01:01:55.020 that's just ripping our

01:01:55.740 country apart right now

01:01:56.380 what they will say is

01:01:57.220 what they will say is the

01:02:00.360 income of black Americans

01:02:01.900 and white Americans will

01:02:02.700 have to be identical the

01:02:03.540 number of college degrees

01:02:04.280 between black Americans and

01:02:05.380 white Americans per capita

01:02:06.300 will have to be identical

01:02:07.140 in other words we'll have to

01:02:08.180 buck every trend that has

01:02:09.280 ever been known to

01:02:09.860 humanity and two groups

01:02:11.380 who are disparate in many

01:02:12.640 ways will have to be

01:02:13.620 exactly the same in

01:02:15.020 outcome no matter the

01:02:15.980 inputs but even that

01:02:16.880 wouldn't even that

01:02:18.340 wouldn't matter I mean

01:02:18.960 Jon Stewart has been on

01:02:20.500 this he just recently

01:02:22.340 discovered critical race

01:02:23.220 there and so he's on this

01:02:23.880 white guilt tour and he

01:02:25.220 on his show which I didn't

01:02:26.380 even know existed until

01:02:27.140 last week he was talking

01:02:28.620 about how the the American

01:02:30.200 dream is it doesn't exist

01:02:31.880 for black people and his

01:02:33.260 and his proof of this was

01:02:35.380 the three-fifths compromise

01:02:36.820 like that that's the we have

01:02:38.700 not improved since then

01:02:41.060 and not only that but he's

01:02:42.760 wrong about the three-fifths

01:02:43.600 compromise the three-fifths

01:02:45.040 compromise is one of the

01:02:46.020 better kind of concepts that

01:02:47.980 the founders came up with

01:02:48.980 to long-term in slavery in

01:02:51.740 America they they didn't

01:02:53.440 say a black person is

01:02:54.780 three-fifths of a human

01:02:55.740 they said you know it

01:02:57.140 doesn't make sense slave

01:02:58.280 owners in the south that

01:02:59.660 you're going to count your

01:03:00.640 unrepresented unable to

01:03:02.320 vote and unable to function

01:03:03.420 in everyday life slave

01:03:04.860 population in your census for

01:03:07.540 the purpose of representation

01:03:08.760 in the congress maybe you

01:03:10.500 can't count them and the

01:03:11.500 south particularly South

01:03:12.600 Carolina essentially said

01:03:13.580 they wouldn't join the

01:03:14.580 union if they didn't get to

01:03:15.440 count them and so the

01:03:16.460 the compromise was they

01:03:18.280 don't get to count all the

01:03:19.600 way so that you don't get

01:03:21.580 to use an enslaved population

01:03:24.420 to gain votes and that's an

01:03:27.160 important academic point it's

01:03:28.840 true but it's also like we

01:03:30.420 should just be able to

01:03:31.080 respond well it makes that

01:03:32.500 makes no difference right now

01:03:33.560 that has no bearing on modern

01:03:35.400 America but it is it is

01:03:36.940 against it is against this

01:03:38.000 argument the the whatever it is

01:03:40.920 1619 thing that America's DNA

01:03:43.920 is racist because your DNA

01:03:45.460 makes you more yourself and

01:03:47.060 we have gotten less and less

01:03:48.140 and less but the 1619 project

01:03:49.520 it's being taught in schools

01:03:50.780 it's being taught in schools

01:03:51.640 all around the country and I

01:03:52.880 actually think this is why

01:03:53.840 we're focused on the

01:03:54.700 education issue the reason we

01:03:56.660 talk about girls sports is no

01:03:58.600 one cares about girls sports

01:03:59.660 I'm I don't want to be

01:04:00.440 insensitive but no one

01:04:01.460 watches the WNBA we talk

01:04:03.120 about it because how dare you

01:04:04.240 sir I know no I'm sorry

01:04:05.220 media matters is going to

01:04:06.320 clip it but but the reason we

01:04:08.340 talk about it is it's the

01:04:09.160 only socially acceptable way to

01:04:11.120 talk about transgenderism which

01:04:12.560 we all know is wrong but we

01:04:13.420 don't want to say it it's the

01:04:14.920 same thing with education the

01:04:16.200 reason we're focused on

01:04:17.060 education yeah obviously it's

01:04:18.320 because we care about our kids

01:04:19.180 we don't want our kids being

01:04:20.280 brainwashed in this racial

01:04:21.420 nonsense and the sexual

01:04:22.440 nonsense but it's also because

01:04:24.440 of that paradox in education

01:04:26.700 which is education makes us

01:04:28.640 free but education is

01:04:30.540 coercive so to be free we have

01:04:32.660 to be coerced into learning

01:04:33.780 things and so it's it's not

01:04:35.160 even just about well which

01:04:36.560 grades and is it you know is

01:04:37.980 we got to wait until eight

01:04:39.140 the question is really what is

01:04:41.160 america what is the nature of

01:04:43.460 the relationship of the man to

01:04:44.760 the state what's the

01:04:45.680 relationship of the man to his

01:04:46.880 own genitals what's the truth

01:04:48.900 of the matter and we're all

01:04:49.780 we're having this proxy battle

01:04:51.200 through education but

01:04:52.480 ultimately we just need to make

01:04:53.840 some substantive claims don't

01:04:55.180 we yes no no of course we do

01:04:57.480 but I'm but at the level of

01:04:59.760 education we can do it

01:05:01.140 coercively beyond that we can't

01:05:03.200 that's that's right and to your

01:05:04.880 point we need to make these

01:05:06.080 claims culturally and this is

01:05:08.320 what the left has been so

01:05:09.300 successful at doing they

01:05:10.280 actually change you know the

01:05:12.140 the the window for the

01:05:13.880 conversation they make it to

01:05:15.020 where you can only talk about

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01:08:56.820 fellers what are your predictions

01:08:59.740 for the country in the rest of

01:09:01.360 Biden's term what should we prepare

01:09:02.960 for what wins should we focus on

01:09:05.220 well until Biden's out of office the

01:09:07.660 possibility of major wins are all

01:09:09.180 going to happen at the state level

01:09:10.060 which is which is fine frankly I

01:09:12.220 mean as a new resident of a red

01:09:13.700 state I'm a big fan of federalism

01:09:15.200 wasn't as big a fan when I was in

01:09:16.480 California and and I'm I'm fine

01:09:19.800 with with Florida continuing to

01:09:21.400 have the best governor in America

01:09:22.420 Governor DeSantis press forward

01:09:23.780 excellent legislation that's that's

01:09:25.040 fine with me you know stymieing

01:09:26.680 Joe Biden spending plans is going

01:09:27.820 to be a big thing trying to press

01:09:29.480 to rebuild the military is going

01:09:30.580 to be a rather major thing I think

01:09:32.480 economically speaking the chances

01:09:33.640 that we head into a recession

01:09:34.500 inside of the next year are very

01:09:35.540 very high right now I don't think

01:09:37.380 like economists say it's like a

01:09:38.380 28 percent chance I think it's

01:09:39.420 more like a 75 percent chance I

01:09:40.700 don't think the Federal Reserve

01:09:41.740 which has gotten it wrong every

01:09:42.700 step of the way is suddenly going

01:09:44.020 to start getting it right now so I

01:09:46.660 think that inflation will be curbed

01:09:49.420 by the Federal Reserve it'll happen

01:09:51.080 over the course of the next year

01:09:51.940 and a half but at the cost of a

01:09:53.640 higher unemployment rate and at the

01:09:55.420 cost of economic stagnation I don't

01:09:58.140 think anybody in either party has

01:09:59.140 the actual stones to do what's

01:10:00.180 necessary on spending I think the

01:10:01.500 new normal is we spend six

01:10:02.420 trillion dollars a year which means

01:10:04.000 that we go bankrupt sooner rather

01:10:05.200 than later and austerity measures

01:10:06.980 will come down the pike say about

01:10:07.940 2030 that's that's where I think

01:10:09.620 we're going for the next several

01:10:10.780 years as far as where the the kind

01:10:12.660 of politics of the country go I

01:10:14.000 think the backlash has begun I

01:10:15.060 don't think the social backlash is

01:10:16.080 going to let up because I think

01:10:17.020 that the left is so disconnected

01:10:18.320 utterly disconnected from reality

01:10:19.760 that they cannot get back to it

01:10:21.220 I'm amazed I mean truly amazed at

01:10:24.080 how wild the left is obviously we

01:10:25.840 all knew because we'd spent a lot

01:10:27.000 of time speaking on college

01:10:27.740 campuses that it was mainstream

01:10:29.400 radical left thinking that a man

01:10:31.240 can be a woman and a woman can be

01:10:32.180 a man now you have the press

01:10:33.480 secretary at the White House

01:10:34.440 saying that it is best care to

01:10:36.360 quote-unquote gender-affirm small

01:10:38.600 children you're supposed to be

01:10:39.820 giving puberty blockers to small

01:10:41.020 children to the extent that the DOJ

01:10:42.480 is going to crack down on states

01:10:43.820 that prevent doctors from giving

01:10:45.760 puberty blockers and gender-affirming

01:10:48.440 meaning biology denying surgeries

01:10:50.360 to minors that is so patently

01:10:52.800 insane I cannot believe it and so I

01:10:54.560 think the backlash is going to just

01:10:56.160 continue the only thing I fear here

01:10:58.280 in terms of the politics aside from

01:10:59.660 the spending issue is that there is

01:11:02.060 going to be some some ability of the

01:11:04.540 Republicans to screw it up which

01:11:05.520 normally they do there's only one add

01:11:08.060 on I agree with every single thing

01:11:09.560 you said the the Biden administration

01:11:12.240 is not going to pass bills he can't

01:11:14.200 even get his budget through right he's

01:11:15.720 got two stubborn Democrats who are

01:11:17.200 not going to let that happen

01:11:18.200 Republicans presumably are going to

01:11:19.780 retake the House and they might

01:11:20.680 retake the Senate and so that's not

01:11:22.980 going to matter the problem of course

01:11:24.480 is that the legislature doesn't

01:11:25.960 legislate and they don't actually

01:11:27.440 make our laws and I am a bill up on

01:11:28.940 Capitol Hill is not the way that our

01:11:30.660 government works the government is

01:11:32.140 run by the executive agencies it has

01:11:33.960 been for a long time and you're going

01:11:35.420 to still get a lot of terrible policy

01:11:37.200 out of that just ask the person next

01:11:39.640 to you wearing the muzzle on the on

01:11:41.700 the airplanes oh wait you can't ask

01:11:43.240 them because they're going to sound

01:11:44.160 like a teacher on peanuts yeah I mean

01:11:45.780 I I think that the good news here is

01:11:47.580 that the Supreme Court has been

01:11:48.720 cracking back as in the CDC case

01:11:50.600 where you know we fought back against

01:11:53.060 the the OSHA case I think that the

01:11:54.940 the the Supreme Court is going to do

01:11:56.640 some some heavy lifting there but you

01:11:59.280 know I'm I'm deeply fearful mostly

01:12:02.000 that Republicans screw this up in one

01:12:03.200 of two ways one they go squishy on

01:12:04.960 the issues that matter most because

01:12:06.300 we've seen this already in places

01:12:07.580 like Utah and Indiana where they are

01:12:09.700 so shy of me or Larry Hogan in

01:12:11.320 Maryland making the argument that we

01:12:12.600 shouldn't engage in these cultural

01:12:13.640 battles because after all you might

01:12:14.620 offend somebody so I'm afraid of

01:12:15.940 Republicans going squishy because

01:12:16.980 they have a tendency to do this and

01:12:18.320 frankly I'm also fearful that we get

01:12:20.580 to 2024 and Donald Trump throws his

01:12:23.700 hat in the ring and he is less

01:12:25.140 concerned about the priorities that I

01:12:26.800 care about and he's more concerned

01:12:28.040 about his own viewpoint with regard to

01:12:29.980 what happened in 2020 I mean this

01:12:31.640 seems to be what's happening in

01:12:32.600 Georgia right now and frankly I I

01:12:34.680 gotta say I listen if he's the

01:12:36.940 nominee I'll vote for him but what I

01:12:39.020 prefer that he run no what I prefer

01:12:40.820 he'd be the nominee no do I think

01:12:42.120 there are more effective candidates

01:12:43.060 including governor DeSantis 100% yes

01:12:45.100 I think that the enthusiasm for

01:12:46.720 governor DeSantis is justified I think

01:12:48.700 it is correct and and frankly I think

01:12:51.720 that he's an extraordinarily competent

01:12:53.720 executive of a major American state

01:12:55.560 who's stood up to the predations of

01:12:56.980 the media in a truly effective way

01:12:58.640 that's made a difference in his state

01:12:59.840 so you know if Republicans I think

01:13:01.860 make the mistake of trying to

01:13:02.820 re-litigate 2020 for 2024 I just

01:13:04.780 think that's such an enormous

01:13:05.980 political blunder that it could

01:13:07.560 steal defeat from the jaws of

01:13:09.020 victory for no apparent reason I

01:13:10.360 think when it comes to 2024 not that

01:13:12.740 this is scientific or anything but I

01:13:14.600 I did a poll on my Twitter about who

01:13:17.300 would you like to see DeSantis or

01:13:19.380 Trump in 2024 and there's something

01:13:20.720 like 190,000 people voted and it was

01:13:23.480 70% DeSantis again not not scientific

01:13:26.460 but I think if I had done a poll like

01:13:28.300 that a year two years ago it wouldn't

01:13:30.820 certainly two years ago would have

01:13:31.700 been 90 10 the other way so I do

01:13:33.640 think that there's the question

01:13:34.960 there and but I also want to say

01:13:36.300 that with Trump the argument against

01:13:38.660 him in 2024 I think the main one is

01:13:40.360 that yes he's going to make it about

01:13:41.640 2020 when it should be about Biden it

01:13:45.080 should be about the the extreme you

01:13:47.040 know nature of Democrat Party gender

01:13:48.900 ideology culture it should be about

01:13:50.100 that but we don't even need to get

01:13:51.680 into that I think the real argument

01:13:53.100 is that is just age I mean we don't

01:13:55.720 have to get past that that he's

01:13:56.720 going to be he would be our oldest

01:13:59.540 president breaking the record set by

01:14:01.640 the last president who was Biden so

01:14:02.900 the idea that we're going to go from

01:14:04.100 our oldest president to the next

01:14:05.740 oldest president I think that's

01:14:07.460 enough reason not do you think

01:14:09.120 though that the that the poll result

01:14:11.200 is about Trump or about DeSantis

01:14:13.120 because I love DeSantis he's the best

01:14:15.140 governor in America there's no

01:14:16.100 question about it he he is unbloodied

01:14:18.760 at the moment he they haven't given

01:14:20.720 the deluge of attacks he hasn't run

01:14:22.560 for president Trump obviously has

01:14:24.280 they threw the kitchen sink at him

01:14:25.520 so is it is it merely that Trump has

01:14:28.560 been so terribly bloodied people say

01:14:30.320 cast him to the side so first of all

01:14:32.460 I'm going to disagree with the

01:14:33.240 premise okay the the media spent the

01:14:34.880 last two years crapping on DeSantis

01:14:36.860 the reason that he the reason that

01:14:38.480 DeSantis is a national figure is

01:14:39.760 because the media decided that he was

01:14:41.220 death Santa that's murdering hundreds

01:14:43.180 of thousands of people in Florida

01:14:44.380 while Andrew Cuomo was grabbing ass

01:14:45.980 up in New York and so the idea was

01:14:47.840 that he was that he was the bad guy

01:14:49.580 and he's still a bad guy right

01:14:50.600 quote-unquote don't say gay bill

01:14:52.100 he's killing all the trans kids and

01:14:54.060 and he's attacking Disney and all

01:14:55.500 like the idea that they haven't been

01:14:56.660 going after DeSantis is just not but

01:14:58.820 it'll get worse in a presidential it

01:15:00.300 will but but but I mean of course but

01:15:02.280 the the the fact of the matter is

01:15:04.560 that on a pure governance level I

01:15:06.820 think the strongest case for DeSantis

01:15:07.960 versus Trump that on a pure

01:15:08.980 governance level DeSantis has

01:15:10.520 actually been more effective in

01:15:11.700 effecting change in his state than

01:15:13.620 Trump was federally and I like a lot

01:15:15.200 of what Trump did federally and if

01:15:16.300 there were skeletons in his closet

01:15:17.480 if there was dirt on him you'd think

01:15:19.080 the media would have found it by

01:15:20.140 now it's not like they're not

01:15:20.820 looking so by the way I mean here's

01:15:23.040 the best proof okay Florida went from

01:15:24.860 a state that had a Democratic

01:15:26.800 registered voter majority of 350,000

01:15:29.460 in 2018 to a state that has a 100,000

01:15:32.260 vote advantage registered vote

01:15:34.140 advantage for Republicans in the state

01:15:35.660 of Florida Ron DeSantis in his

01:15:37.140 current gubernatorial race has

01:15:38.400 raised 101 million dollars his

01:15:40.820 nearest competitor is Charlie

01:15:41.880 Chris who has raised seven million

01:15:43.560 dollars in this gubernatorial race

01:15:45.520 and it's April so you know like I

01:15:48.040 think that the enthusiast I

01:15:49.420 actually don't think it's about

01:15:50.140 Trump I think it's about some

01:15:51.360 waning enthusiasm because listen

01:15:52.920 the fact that Trump was bloodied is

01:15:54.900 what drove the enthusiasm on our

01:15:56.200 side for him right the fact they

01:15:57.240 kept attacking him that drove

01:15:58.540 people like me into his camp right

01:16:00.120 it was like you keep going after

01:16:01.360 him for the dumbest possible

01:16:02.380 reasons because you don't just hate

01:16:03.560 him you hate me and that's why I

01:16:05.000 end up in his camp it's not that

01:16:06.980 it's not that they've hit Trump so

01:16:08.460 hard that now everybody the bloom is

01:16:09.720 off the roads or anything it's that

01:16:11.200 Trump was unfocused at the last

01:16:13.520 part of his presidency at the very

01:16:14.600 least if not throughout his

01:16:15.620 presidency he's very unfocused

01:16:17.220 now on the things that I think

01:16:18.160 matter most to Americans I mean he's

01:16:19.420 busy like trying to take Brian

01:16:20.840 Kemp out as governor of Georgia and

01:16:22.220 get Stacey Abrams away the problem

01:16:23.500 the problem with President Trump and

01:16:24.940 it was a it ended up being a great

01:16:27.080 strength for the first three years of

01:16:29.280 his president of his

01:16:29.980 administration and in the last year of

01:16:31.900 his administration he really choked

01:16:33.220 around with COVID he choked he choked

01:16:35.180 going into the election obviously and

01:16:37.220 that's not to say that the election

01:16:38.120 was fair that it wasn't rigged up of

01:16:39.500 course it was rigged by the media and

01:16:41.480 others but but he he also gave us

01:16:44.260 Fauci he did not handle the the

01:16:46.220 pandemic the way I would have liked

01:16:47.220 for him to but the great strength

01:16:48.620 that made him so important in those

01:16:50.860 first three years

01:16:51.600 interesting interestingly was how

01:16:56.060 personally he takes attacks right

01:16:57.860 his great liability now is that he

01:17:01.140 can't get over what is under I

01:17:04.360 understand his feeling about 2020 I

01:17:06.980 don't agree with every aspect of it

01:17:08.220 but I certainly understand where he's

01:17:09.900 coming from it was an unfair election

01:17:12.160 he can't let go of that and look to

01:17:14.320 the actual concerns that that his base

01:17:16.320 is facing right now he he's not in the

01:17:18.440 fight that we're in and to make to

01:17:20.540 make that situation worse is his

01:17:22.220 endorsement of Dr. Oz this week which

01:17:24.640 is part and parcel of the same thing

01:17:26.320 that that Trump sees everything through

01:17:27.940 a lens of Trump and Dr. Oz is like

01:17:31.100 Trump he's a TV star they're they're

01:17:34.220 probably friendly from their days in

01:17:36.480 entertainment plus the rivals a

01:17:37.840 moderate though David McCormick's a

01:17:39.320 moderate but but Donald but Donald Trump's

01:17:41.380 support of Dr. Oz is not ideological in

01:17:44.000 any way it's Trump Trump up a logical

01:17:46.540 and and that that's sometimes what's

01:17:49.860 hilarious about him sometimes it's

01:17:51.600 funny about him and to the extent that

01:17:52.840 the left was attacking him as president

01:17:54.220 it was a very useful thing about him

01:17:56.340 because he he took personally their

01:17:58.140 attacks against him which as you say

01:17:59.360 were attacks against us right I've

01:18:00.940 always thought that the Trump was a

01:18:03.220 tragic figure I always thought the two

01:18:04.660 people who said this were me and

01:18:05.680 Victor Davis Hanson I said it first but

01:18:07.540 he wrote a great book about it and I

01:18:09.380 I think that you know he was the guy

01:18:11.120 that you bring in at that moment

01:18:12.640 because his personal because his

01:18:14.840 personal flaws are the personal flaws

01:18:16.420 you need to break the the wall that

01:18:19.120 was between the right and these

01:18:21.040 cultural issues that he knew were

01:18:22.540 important and most politicians most

01:18:24.680 right-wing politicians didn't I I'm

01:18:27.080 he's too far it's too far off the next

01:18:29.100 presidential election of course he's too

01:18:30.520 far off to worry about we don't know

01:18:31.780 what's going to happen we actually

01:18:33.040 don't know though everybody I know who

01:18:34.280 knows Trump says I'm 100% sure he's

01:18:36.200 going to win run I mean we don't know

01:18:39.160 that we just don't because this is the

01:18:41.020 only way he can stay relevant the

01:18:42.180 point I'm making is a little broader

01:18:43.120 than Trump which is just Republicans

01:18:44.320 cannot take their eye off the ball

01:18:45.460 and that's a terrible habit of

01:18:46.740 don't look back to quote the bard

01:18:48.440 don't look yeah no never look back

01:18:50.140 that no that's right but I think the

01:18:51.640 Trump taught us something if we don't

01:18:53.140 learn that I mean Youngkin learned it

01:18:54.660 I think the same just learned it you

01:18:56.400 know no question about it if we don't

01:18:57.760 remember that we're going to be in

01:18:59.080 trouble you know the point that you

01:19:00.780 made about corporations I just want

01:19:02.200 to go back to this for a minute you

01:19:03.820 know corporations do what they do

01:19:06.020 almost always at it's an essential

01:19:08.900 level for economic reasons and the

01:19:10.880 thing is that you can oh hey what is

01:19:12.600 this hey they just let anybody in

01:19:14.380 here oh my god what security I thought

01:19:15.980 we had security in

01:19:16.840 you're gonna hang out with us

01:19:23.740 absolutely sir hey that's great and

01:19:26.140 actually you guys are taking over my

01:19:28.360 show at the same time are we live

01:19:30.100 right now we're on we're on Tim

01:19:31.760 pool's show you are all my guests on

01:19:33.760 Timcast IRL right now wow I couldn't

01:19:36.120 fit all of your names in the title so I

01:19:37.320 just went with Ben Shapiro

01:19:38.180 that's fair that's the only one that's

01:19:41.200 gonna get you nice set dude oh thank

01:19:43.520 we're in a trailer out in your your

01:19:48.520 your alley yeah people don't realize

01:19:50.720 that Tim has been broadcasting from our

01:19:52.420 hill all week from a from a fifth

01:19:54.780 wheel trailer that he converted into a

01:19:56.380 mobile studio and tonight he's gonna

01:19:58.420 learn how God feels about it because

01:20:00.380 we have thunderstorms coming through

01:20:01.980 Nashville in 45 minutes and he'll

01:20:04.420 still be broadcasting from the most

01:20:06.800 dangerous place in America to be in

01:20:08.140 welcome to my show everybody

01:20:09.420 thanks for having me absolutely this

01:20:12.460 is the best lineup of guests I've ever

01:20:14.080 had on Timcast IRL I really like being

01:20:16.040 on your show from here because when I

01:20:17.740 go on your show from the hinterland I

01:20:19.900 got to drive an hour through the woods

01:20:21.520 with serial killers Texas chainsaw

01:20:23.400 it is it is it's a cool house your

01:20:25.860 security guy almost gave me a heart

01:20:27.320 attack as I was walking out I walk out

01:20:29.100 in the dark of night and this guy goes

01:20:30.480 hi

01:20:31.120 well it's funny when we've invited some

01:20:36.220 left personalities who already have

01:20:38.060 apprehension and really scared because

01:20:41.720 you know we're in it's Western

01:20:43.680 Maryland but it's the middle of no it's

01:20:44.980 like the Blue Ridge Mountains yeah and

01:20:46.640 you drive through pitch black and then

01:20:50.020 you have to drive up a long it's about

01:20:51.820 a you know what like 1500 feet driveway

01:20:54.220 and there are security deer everywhere

01:20:56.060 they're ready to pound well you know

01:20:58.600 when you're driving up in the dead of

01:20:59.880 night and your lights are on always all

01:21:01.340 of a sudden you see glowing eyes

01:21:02.440 everywhere and then you're like I think

01:21:05.300 most people are fine with it in the

01:21:06.520 summer it's fine it's still day out when

01:21:07.800 you arrive what were you guys talking

01:21:10.200 about before I interrupt we were talking

01:21:11.500 about 2024 and and what we think is

01:21:13.720 going to happen and we're sort of

01:21:15.840 positing the thesis that Democrats are

01:21:17.560 so wildly out of tune with the American

01:21:19.140 public right now that Republicans look

01:21:20.520 pretty good but they could make the

01:21:21.900 mistake of taking their eye off the

01:21:23.280 ball which brought up the inevitable

01:21:24.560 t-word right of course which is which

01:21:26.200 is Trump and whether he runs oh yeah

01:21:27.620 yeah I think so but isn't it starting

01:21:29.620 to feel like DeSantis might be your

01:21:31.500 mouth's God's ears my friend I will say

01:21:35.020 that Trump saying I think just this last

01:21:37.320 week that his health would be a factor

01:21:38.680 in making the decision is the first time

01:21:41.540 that he said anything that in any way

01:21:43.360 left him an out not to run yeah and in

01:21:46.220 many ways you know he has a lot to lose I

01:21:50.760 agree if he runs if he there's always

01:21:53.320 going to be an asterisk beside his 2020

01:21:55.240 loss if he were to run and lose in 2024

01:21:58.100 you remove the asterisk and so and all

01:22:00.940 the all the prosecutions that they're

01:22:02.400 threatening with is clearly political now

01:22:04.640 that makes me want him to run like keep

01:22:07.000 playing dirty no I don't I don't think

01:22:09.340 so because I think that he could actually

01:22:10.760 be hurt financially by those if he runs

01:22:13.420 if he doesn't run they won't I have this

01:22:15.540 sense everybody keeps telling me I'm

01:22:17.340 wrong everybody who knows Trump tells

01:22:18.960 me I'm wrong I have this sense he's not

01:22:20.280 going to run that he's staying relevant

01:22:22.100 he's raising money off his you know the

01:22:24.340 hints that he's going to run but I just

01:22:26.660 don't think there's enough in it for

01:22:27.900 him and he's old well I always like to

01:22:30.060 tell you you're wrong no no to your

01:22:31.900 point true that the prosecutions could

01:22:33.660 hurt him that this is the problem that

01:22:35.520 the powers that be are powerful yes

01:22:37.780 they can actually wield that power and

01:22:39.620 really hurt you but why is DeSantis not

01:22:42.680 in the same vein as Trump well he he

01:22:45.120 doesn't run if Trump runs I think I'm

01:22:47.520 beginning to doubt that's true really

01:22:49.500 beginning to doubt that's true and the

01:22:50.440 reason that I'm beginning to doubt that's

01:22:51.560 true is because I think that what

01:22:53.480 DeSantis like most good politicians

01:22:55.280 understands there is a time yeah right

01:22:57.120 this is something that Jeremy I've

01:22:58.340 discussed a bunch of times before which

01:23:00.560 is that there are certain politicians

01:23:01.900 where it's like if they had grabbed the

01:23:03.460 moment it would have been their moment

01:23:04.880 and if they missed the moment they're

01:23:06.060 toast and this happened with for

01:23:07.460 example Elizabeth Warren in 2016 if

01:23:09.320 she had jumped in in 2016 and not let

01:23:11.680 Hillary Clinton foreclose her she would

01:23:13.600 have been the Bernie figure in that

01:23:14.680 race and she would have stolen a lot of

01:23:16.040 thunder from Hillary Clinton being the

01:23:18.480 first presidential woman nominee

01:23:20.500 Chris Christie in 2012 right Chris

01:23:22.540 Christie in 20 like there are certain

01:23:23.560 periods where if you take if you go for

01:23:25.880 the brass ring and you grab at it it's

01:23:28.000 your moment and then if you miss it it's

01:23:29.400 just also also the other thing is I

01:23:31.400 think DeSantis understands that the in

01:23:35.260 the primary 2016 Republicans running

01:23:38.060 against Trump they either just ignored

01:23:40.140 him and didn't attack him at all which

01:23:41.180 was a mistake or they attacked him

01:23:42.680 basically from the left and they they

01:23:44.380 said that well I don't I don't like his

01:23:45.840 attitude it makes me uncomfortable I

01:23:48.020 think Trump is vulnerable and what

01:23:49.720 DeSantis probably understands although I

01:23:51.240 don't know him is that if you can go at

01:23:53.680 Trump from the right and you can say you

01:23:55.480 can hit Trump on vaccines you can hit him

01:23:57.100 on Fauci you can hit him on COVID and I

01:23:59.880 think I actually think the best path for

01:24:01.860 DeSantis it as you said we're still two

01:24:05.040 years away from this but if DeSantis were

01:24:07.600 to choose to challenge Trump I actually

01:24:09.040 think his best path is not to hit Trump I

01:24:11.680 think his best path is essentially to

01:24:13.220 say Mr. President I voted for you there's

01:24:17.480 no question in my mind that you're the

01:24:19.020 man we needed in 2016 the question is

01:24:21.740 are you the man that we need in Trump's

01:24:23.260 not gonna allow that right that's what

01:24:25.040 they tried in 2016 and then eventually

01:24:27.060 Trump will turn around and go after your

01:24:29.220 wife and then and you're you're right

01:24:30.980 you're just sitting there you're not

01:24:31.900 prepared for it so I think you have to

01:24:33.180 be more proactive it just you don't have

01:24:35.900 to be obsessive about it but I agree with

01:24:37.860 you that from the right I agree with you

01:24:39.420 that a lot of Trump's appeal in 2016

01:24:41.620 because I felt this way when he was

01:24:42.880 debating Jeb Bush is that he just kept

01:24:44.300 pummeling the guy who was more to the

01:24:45.800 center and Jeb Bush would be like I'm

01:24:47.700 really uncomfortable with how you talk

01:24:48.620 about illegal immigration and Trump

01:24:49.780 you're stupid like yeah and then there's

01:24:52.960 a lot of that I have I have a I feel

01:24:55.180 like I have a different perspective from

01:24:56.100 you guys because for one look how I'm

01:24:58.140 dressed compared to you guys I do think

01:25:00.060 you know in all honesty though I come

01:25:01.200 from kind of a different world I grew up

01:25:02.340 in Chicago and I didn't vote for Trump

01:25:04.480 in 2016 I don't think everybody here did

01:25:06.260 did you guys no I didn't I did I'd not

01:25:07.940 vote for either uh in 2020 I I've just

01:25:10.740 been seeing over the past decade what I

01:25:12.540 would describe as the left being so

01:25:14.180 unreasonable and just out of their

01:25:15.900 minds I'm sitting with a group of

01:25:17.860 prominent conservatives and I've I've

01:25:19.700 this is not how I grew up I grew up in

01:25:22.060 Chicago surrounded by Democrats and now

01:25:24.520 I'm looking at 2024 and I would I'm

01:25:27.320 like I would vote for DeSantis I I don't

01:25:29.720 know I don't I didn't like Trump in

01:25:31.080 2016 I voted for him because I know

01:25:33.320 Biden because I knew the the Obama

01:25:35.220 you voted for him in 2020 2020 sorry

01:25:37.200 yeah 2020 I voted for Trump uh I like

01:25:40.060 that he didn't start new wars I like

01:25:41.240 the Abraham Accords I like the school

01:25:42.820 choice and I did not like wokeness

01:25:45.260 because I think it's an affront to all

01:25:47.760 of the civil rights battles that have

01:25:48.980 been fought now we see DeSantis in

01:25:51.060 Florida and everything he's doing

01:25:52.520 speaks to me not everything but a lot

01:25:53.980 of it so I don't know if I would vote

01:25:55.980 for Trump I didn't necessarily want to

01:25:57.260 vote for him in the first place no this

01:25:58.700 is this is I think the biggest issue

01:25:59.820 for for Trump and that is that my

01:26:02.100 theory of of elections is that

01:26:03.920 elections are oppositional and whoever

01:26:05.620 the election is a referendum on loses so

01:26:08.000 in 2016 the great myth that the media

01:26:10.000 tried to create is that it was a

01:26:10.880 referendum on Trump and it was not a

01:26:12.080 referendum on Trump it was a referendum

01:26:13.100 on Hillary Clinton people looked at

01:26:14.380 Hillary and they're like I hate that

01:26:15.620 lady she's awful she's garbage and I

01:26:17.920 don't know this Trump guy he's real

01:26:19.300 weird this is how dumb stuff but I'll

01:26:21.060 take a shot at that's right this is

01:26:22.160 how Trump can get fewer votes in

01:26:24.120 Wisconsin than did Mitt Romney in 2012

01:26:27.320 that's right and still win Wisconsin

01:26:28.800 correct because ever because the

01:26:30.200 election was really about Hillary right

01:26:31.820 and then by 2020 Joe Biden ran what

01:26:35.440 for him was I think the only campaign

01:26:36.940 he could run but it turned out to be

01:26:37.900 kind of a brilliant campaign which is

01:26:39.200 he just lay in a basement for for six

01:26:41.140 months and Joe and every so often

01:26:43.200 they would creak open the crypt and

01:26:44.660 walk out and say and then he'd go

01:26:47.160 back downstairs and that would be the

01:26:48.340 end of his campaign and so the

01:26:49.440 referendum was not on Biden the

01:26:50.560 referendum was on Trump well go to

01:26:51.740 2024 if Trump runs again the

01:26:53.540 question is I'm not sure that's a

01:26:55.000 referendum on is it on Biden or is it

01:26:56.200 on Trump right that's a real

01:26:57.340 question because we they're now

01:26:58.480 really really prominent figures if

01:27:00.200 it's anybody and anybody but Trump

01:27:02.200 it's hard for it not to be a

01:27:03.320 referendum on Biden he's been

01:27:04.200 president for the last four years

01:27:05.240 and he's done I I'm honest to God

01:27:08.220 I'm amazed he's been able to set

01:27:09.980 this many things on fire for a man

01:27:11.460 who's not ambulatory you know there's

01:27:14.280 a tactic DeSantis is using a

01:27:16.080 rhetorical tactic that I think every

01:27:17.740 Republican needs to adopt the old

01:27:19.860 Republican view of things when they

01:27:21.820 were asked a question what do you

01:27:22.760 want for breakfast in the morning

01:27:23.800 let's say if they hey Senator Rand

01:27:25.620 Paul what do you want for breakfast

01:27:26.460 he'd say well you know some people

01:27:28.320 want omelets and some people want

01:27:29.960 pancakes and the great thing about

01:27:31.300 America is we can have whatever we

01:27:32.740 want for breakfast right it's a very

01:27:34.000 sort of ambiguous thing and you ask

01:27:35.840 DeSantis what do you want for

01:27:36.800 breakfast he goes look we tried

01:27:38.800 pancakes in Arkansas and we tried

01:27:41.080 omelets and we're gonna have

01:27:42.720 scrambled eggs scrambled eggs work in

01:27:44.780 Florida and they're gonna work

01:27:45.860 throughout America and there's no

01:27:47.840 question or ambiguity it's very

01:27:50.000 persuasive well let me ask you is

01:27:52.160 Joe Biden even gonna run in 2024 I

01:27:54.600 mean I think they have to I think

01:27:55.560 they have to strap him to a gurney

01:27:56.660 they have to turn him up right and

01:27:57.800 they have to just reel him around

01:27:58.840 because they have to what are they

01:28:00.800 gonna do they're gonna try out

01:28:01.960 Kamala Harris the worst candidate

01:28:03.320 who's ever been created by God or

01:28:05.440 man it's unbelievable you will not

01:28:06.760 be able to speak at all so it doesn't

01:28:09.100 have 82 years what are you gonna do

01:28:10.600 Kamala Harris is the best description

01:28:12.680 I've heard is from the account JT

01:28:14.220 LOL which is that she is the human

01:28:16.540 embodiment of a predictive text

01:28:18.020 program you start typing words into

01:28:21.320 Google and whatever is the next word

01:28:22.700 is what she says and so the

01:28:24.580 importance of the passage of time is

01:28:26.800 important with regards to the passage

01:28:28.720 of time and like so she's terrible

01:28:31.260 and then in the then then they're

01:28:32.520 like oh well you know we've got this

01:28:33.460 other guy over here and he's so

01:28:34.500 great that he went on paternity leave

01:28:35.820 for two months and nobody even

01:28:37.240 noticed he couldn't fill a pothole in

01:28:38.680 South Bend Indiana but on the other

01:28:39.940 hand he is gay and that's that's

01:28:42.040 literally the pitch for Steve

01:28:43.260 Buttigieg I just that's an impact

01:28:45.300 first of all I like that Kamala

01:28:47.720 Harris to me she's always like like I

01:28:50.580 was in high school when I have to

01:28:52.360 give a book report but I didn't read

01:28:54.060 the book like that's what she

01:28:54.940 always sounds like but I that you

01:28:57.340 just you run into just a simple fact

01:29:00.120 of age so are you going to run a guy

01:29:02.100 who'll be what he'll be 82 right and

01:29:04.760 so by the end of his term he's 86

01:29:06.640 that's just like an impossible they

01:29:08.260 don't have to get him to the end of

01:29:09.200 his term they just have to get him to

01:29:10.560 yeah I don't know for the purpose of

01:29:12.360 the purpose of running they have to

01:29:13.400 pretend that he's gonna make it to

01:29:14.560 the end of the term yeah I don't

01:29:15.380 think no he didn't pretend he was

01:29:16.580 gonna make it to the end of the

01:29:17.300 term this time the problem that

01:29:20.300 they have the reason I think

01:29:21.200 they have to run him and I think

01:29:22.960 that the base doesn't care if he's

01:29:26.300 still cogent no the base doesn't care

01:29:27.600 they don't care the reason they

01:29:28.840 have to run him is Kamala they would

01:29:30.300 like yeah to sub him out with

01:29:32.180 Buttigieg they might even like to

01:29:34.280 sub him out if if we are making moves

01:29:36.140 towards Trump with with Hillary

01:29:38.280 Clinton which would be their great

01:29:39.300 revenge fantasy playing out but the

01:29:42.220 problem is that there is a sitting

01:29:43.440 vice president and how do you get her

01:29:45.920 to just move aside and let you do

01:29:48.440 that but the only ways they do have

01:29:50.960 one Trump card right which is they

01:29:52.160 could they could theoretically call

01:29:53.220 Michelle right that is that is

01:29:54.920 clearly their best move if that is

01:29:56.760 because it because she that is a

01:29:57.860 black woman VP you just say listen

01:29:59.360 there's this other black woman and

01:30:00.860 she's more famous than you and she's

01:30:01.860 more popular than you and she's a

01:30:03.460 best-selling author and we have now

01:30:04.580 softened her image to the point

01:30:05.800 where she's not the the radical who

01:30:08.260 is writing Princeton theses about how

01:30:09.800 America is racist everybody wants to

01:30:11.360 be president she might not be she

01:30:13.360 likes being Oprah she likes being

01:30:14.560 very very popular Oprah wants to be

01:30:16.060 president Oprah would that's a

01:30:17.660 better everyone wants to be

01:30:18.760 president listen Michelle Obama is the

01:30:21.080 is the nuclear option option no

01:30:23.600 question no question why wouldn't the

01:30:25.280 user I think they would love to use

01:30:26.940 her I think the only question is

01:30:27.860 whether she and Barack want to have

01:30:29.680 his like if she were to run and lose

01:30:31.480 whether this would tarnish the Obama

01:30:33.900 magisterial image that he's created

01:30:35.540 for himself and that guy loves him I

01:30:36.960 mean Obama loves him to Obama I mean

01:30:38.660 when he came to the White House that

01:30:40.240 that was it's one of the sorriest

01:30:41.740 displays it really was I thought it was

01:30:43.800 the first time sorry it actually did I

01:30:46.760 I can't believe in a sense it made me

01:30:48.360 feel bad for for Biden oh it did oh I

01:30:50.140 mean I like like he he walks up on

01:30:52.760 stage and he makes a joke about how

01:30:53.960 he's Barack Obama's vice president and

01:30:55.720 then Barack Obama gets it was like well

01:30:57.180 yeah over there's my vice president

01:30:58.300 you don't get to make that joke that

01:30:59.640 makes you a dick

01:31:00.500 the two things that were most that were

01:31:04.380 most on display in that entire episode

01:31:06.880 were one what a sorry bastard Barack

01:31:10.700 Obama is and if you read Maureen Dowd

01:31:12.820 during his administration she hated him

01:31:15.680 for his treatment of Joe Biden as his

01:31:17.740 vice president Biden was this completely

01:31:19.920 loyal subservient even vice president

01:31:22.920 and Obama treated him like absolute

01:31:26.160 dirt the entire time so you see you just

01:31:29.360 see how his view of himself and his view

01:31:32.760 of people around him and then the other

01:31:35.360 sorry thing is you saw the media's view

01:31:37.040 of him you know that that horrible clip

01:31:39.200 where Biden realizes that the president

01:31:41.240 of the United no one wants to talk to

01:31:42.440 the president of the United States

01:31:43.480 multiple because they're all talking to

01:31:45.560 Barack Obama he's got his hand on Obama's

01:31:46.980 shoulder and Obama's shaking him off to

01:31:48.340 shake hands over here you just realize

01:31:49.940 the media the media somebody to guide him

01:31:52.660 to the bathroom that's right the media

01:31:54.900 genuinely believes that Barack Obama is

01:31:57.120 a deity and Barack Obama agrees with

01:31:59.460 them that's that's what was on display

01:32:00.860 to me the Joe Rogan say something that

01:32:02.800 affects about Michelle Obama and I don't

01:32:05.860 want to put words in Joe's mouth but he

01:32:07.220 mentioned something about Barack Obama

01:32:08.020 being a great president or something to

01:32:09.340 that affect and Michelle Obama being a

01:32:11.640 potentially great option I think I think

01:32:13.920 you know he's relevant for one having

01:32:15.400 the biggest podcast in the world but I

01:32:16.940 think he speaks to a lot of people who

01:32:18.160 are in the middle and confused or don't

01:32:20.060 necessarily know how they're gonna vote

01:32:22.420 come 2020 2022 and 2024 but I think if

01:32:25.940 these people the moderates independence

01:32:28.400 former left people see Michelle Obama I

01:32:30.280 think a lot of them will be convinced yeah

01:32:32.100 to vote Democrat again I'm not entirely

01:32:34.960 convinced for me my brain exploded after

01:32:38.240 2020 with just yeah I'm done with this you

01:32:41.040 know our 20 2018 even when I think it

01:32:44.420 was 31 seats that did districts that

01:32:47.440 voted for Trump vote Democrat and all of

01:32:50.300 these moderate Democrats said we're gonna

01:32:51.660 bring you kitchen table issues we're not

01:32:53.080 gonna focus on culture war issues and the

01:32:54.600 first thing they do is they move to

01:32:55.880 impeach Trump and it felt like I was just

01:32:57.960 spit on I was like you know I had faith

01:32:59.820 that if I if I just you know push back I

01:33:02.340 donated to a lot some of these Democrats

01:33:03.720 thinking that they'll actually read you

01:33:06.660 know reconfigure things and fix this and

01:33:08.900 they only made it worse the only thing I

01:33:10.540 think that they could really harm Michelle

01:33:11.740 Obama if she were to run is I think that

01:33:13.200 she really has ideologically she always

01:33:15.400 has been very radical and I think that

01:33:17.140 she will re-embrace wokeness because she

01:33:19.260 too is in that bubble I think the most

01:33:20.720 ironically the thing that we complain the

01:33:22.960 most about is probably the thing that

01:33:24.160 may save the Republic and that is the

01:33:25.340 media bias the media bias is so strong

01:33:27.880 that Democrats do not understand that

01:33:29.700 there's an entire world outside of the

01:33:31.320 beltway that just thinks they're crazy

01:33:32.880 and so the reason that you see the

01:33:34.340 White House saying things like well you

01:33:35.640 know it's very important that we use the

01:33:36.920 DOJ to crack down on people stopping

01:33:38.520 little girls from being turned into

01:33:39.860 little boys the reason they say that is

01:33:41.820 because the New York Times agrees with

01:33:42.880 them and the Washington Post agrees with

01:33:44.140 them and everybody they know agrees

01:33:45.260 with them the other thing about

01:33:46.260 Michelle Obama is that she's

01:33:47.960 attractive to people I guess not to me

01:33:49.680 but to people as like an idea but if

01:33:53.060 she's running for office then she's

01:33:54.800 actually have to be out there talking

01:33:56.200 when you listen to her talk kind of to

01:33:57.760 your point about a radical shit but

01:33:59.260 also she's just really a kind of a vile

01:34:01.480 human being I'll never forget this story

01:34:04.480 she told on a podcast somewhere about

01:34:06.460 when she experienced racism like she

01:34:08.980 was still harboring this resentment

01:34:10.800 because she went to get ice cream and a

01:34:12.860 white woman didn't notice her and like

01:34:15.020 and cut in front of her and she told

01:34:16.860 this whole story about how she was a

01:34:18.240 victim of racism as the first lady in

01:34:19.960 the United States because a white woman

01:34:21.820 was getting ice cream before her so

01:34:22.980 there's that story that she told about

01:34:24.380 how she went to the grocery store and

01:34:25.640 she was tall so somebody asked her to

01:34:26.980 take something down from the top

01:34:28.020 exactly that she said that that was

01:34:29.460 racism it's like no you're just tall I

01:34:31.120 mean I'd ask Matt to get something

01:34:33.040 from the top shelf for me but who are

01:34:35.000 the voters who fall for that stuff

01:34:36.360 yeah I agree with you Tim I you know I

01:34:38.900 think that she's I think that Michelle

01:34:40.580 Obama I don't think she would run but

01:34:42.260 I think that she is a good candidate

01:34:43.840 if she runs but you know the voters are

01:34:45.520 not as enamored of identity politics as

01:34:48.760 the Democrats are they in no way are

01:34:50.520 they well the the poll about the

01:34:52.580 parental rights and education bill in

01:34:53.740 Florida has overwhelming support from

01:34:55.320 Democrat voters right who are polled at

01:34:57.020 the very least yet they're they double

01:34:58.320 down on this stuff it's like you were

01:34:59.840 saying that the media bias is palpable

01:35:02.580 I don't know if you guys saw CNN plus

01:35:04.360 only has 10,000 daily active users

01:35:06.220 wow in the you know hold on just a

01:35:09.580 second yeah but I think I'll enjoy

01:35:13.040 Chris Wallace's new show what have I

01:35:15.280 done I think by the way who who was the

01:35:19.940 business genius at Warner who was like

01:35:21.820 okay so we have CNN and no one watch

01:35:23.720 what if we take the same host and we

01:35:27.080 put them behind a paywall doing more

01:35:29.520 boring things I mean how does this go

01:35:31.740 wrong here guys well this seems like a

01:35:33.780 genius business plan to me well they're

01:35:35.520 actually giving you money every time you

01:35:37.420 don't watch CNN now make money I like

01:35:39.980 you know I will tell you guys something

01:35:41.060 interesting though because uh Matt and I

01:35:42.540 were talking about this the other day

01:35:43.660 when I asked you why why is it the daily

01:35:45.240 wire is 600,000 plus subscribers CNN

01:35:47.720 can't even get 10,000 daily users you

01:35:49.960 mentioned mission I think is what you

01:35:51.440 said right when I worked I said me I

01:35:53.500 said the reason is me and then he did

01:35:57.020 say that he said he was better than

01:35:58.060 everybody you know in in when I was

01:36:01.480 working for these big corporate media

01:36:02.920 outlets I was at a company called

01:36:04.460 fusion which is ABC News and Univision

01:36:06.380 they said mission-driven storytelling

01:36:09.360 that was that was their line as to what

01:36:11.440 their goals were it's almost like they

01:36:13.180 were either predicting or wanting

01:36:15.360 politics to be the main driver of what

01:36:17.760 was going to bring people to different

01:36:18.700 media outlets the only issue is I felt

01:36:21.140 like their narratives were built on lies

01:36:23.220 and manipulation we have to withhold

01:36:25.180 information from people trick them feed

01:36:28.040 them only the information we want

01:36:29.520 whereas I feel like with what you guys

01:36:31.560 do with what we do it's here's

01:36:33.340 everything let's argue about it yeah

01:36:34.920 but that's that's what I love about

01:36:36.620 this show that we get to do once a

01:36:37.820 month is that we quite often disagree

01:36:39.780 and those disagreements I think are

01:36:41.720 central to to what makes the daily

01:36:43.380 wire work I think at the core of the

01:36:45.480 daily wire success is our fundamental

01:36:47.060 religious difference that we talked

01:36:49.560 about it today in fact that our

01:36:50.600 fundamental religious disagreement

01:36:52.640 means that central to our friendship

01:36:55.120 is the idea that there's not ubiquity

01:36:57.060 and that there's not unanimity in our

01:37:00.160 thought and that's it's not that we

01:37:01.820 don't have a strong perspective as a

01:37:03.140 company it's not that we don't have a

01:37:04.240 strong that we don't have a side in the

01:37:06.340 fight but it's that we that we are

01:37:08.600 actually engaged in the exchange of

01:37:10.060 ideas and trying to always learn more

01:37:11.840 and and know more and be better Tim

01:37:13.380 thank you for well for coming on

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