The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： Open Borders! Just Kidding.

00:00:00.000 Hey, Michael Knowles here. The latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage,

00:00:02.840 Open Borders, Just Kidding, is available now. Join me, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan,

00:00:06.900 Matt Walsh, Candace Owens, the God King, Jeremy Boring, as we discuss

00:00:09.840 the enrichment received from the migrants at Martha's Vineyard, why translucent mermaids

00:00:15.100 need more representation, and step-by-step instruction on how to win your very own McLaren

00:00:19.680 and make Jeremy even richer. You do not want to miss it. Go check it out now.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to the Daily Wire Backstage, sponsored tonight by Jeremy's Razor. Stop giving your

00:00:53.380 money to woke corporations that hate you. Give your money to me instead. We've got a big Jeremy's

00:00:59.020 Razor's announcement actually coming up a little bit later in the show. But first,

00:01:02.300 we're going to talk about some politics. Joining me to do just that, the gateway to the extreme

00:01:07.320 right, himself, Ben Shapiro, five days a week, Candace Owens, now with even more Candace Owens,

00:01:12.940 Candace Owens, the extreme right, Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan's biggest fan, Michael Knowles,

00:01:19.080 and the ghost of Andrew Klavan, Andrew Klavan. And I, of course, am your lowercase,

00:01:25.600 Scott King, Jeremy Boring. Not only do we have this great announcement coming up about

00:01:30.680 Jeremy's Razors after the show, but we also have all kinds of fun things to tell you about that

00:01:34.960 are going on at the Daily Wire. And one of the biggest things that's going on at the Daily Wire

00:01:39.200 right now is that Matt Walsh is literally destroying Vanderbilt Hospital right here in our very own

00:01:45.700 Nashville, Tennessee. Not literally. He is very much figuratively destroying it. I want to make sure,

00:01:52.100 I want to make absolutely sure that the police and all the enforcers on Twitter know that Matt

00:01:56.820 is not literally destroying this hospital. Matt, tell us what's going on. Well, you know,

00:02:02.800 we have Vanderbilt Hospital, which is right next door to us. And so we became curious about their

00:02:08.180 gender, their transgender program. They have a transgender clinic. And so we started digging

00:02:12.400 into it. We spent a good week looking into it. And the interesting thing is that, is that, you know,

00:02:17.100 all of these gender clinics across the country have been just posting videos with abandon,

00:02:23.120 admitting to all kinds of horrific things. But then over the last...

00:02:27.100 Nothing.

00:02:27.540 Right. Exactly. And over the last couple of months, as the terrorists like myself have been calling

00:02:32.560 attention to it, now they're going through and deleting things. So it's a little more difficult

00:02:36.380 than you might think to find some of this stuff. But we went through and you kind of see the story

00:02:40.820 and you can, you see it all through the videos they've posted. Uh, the, the, the clinic opened

00:02:46.200 up in 2018. And, uh, there's actually a video that we posted on Twitter of a woman explaining a

00:02:52.660 doctor. They're explaining how she convinced Vanderbilt to start a transgender clinic. And

00:02:57.400 she said that, uh, it's mercy, compassion for children who are living with gender. Right. Well,

00:03:01.940 it's, it's that it's, it's, it's, she said, it's a, we told, but it's the right thing to do,

00:03:05.040 but also there's a lot of money. It's a big moneymaker. And she goes through all the money they have

00:03:09.060 to make, uh, with these, with these gender surgeries. And the interesting thing about

00:03:13.620 that is that she acknowledges that the reason why these surgeries are so profitable is because

00:03:18.360 of all the follow-ups. So, uh, it basically, when you do the surgery to someone, it means that

00:03:23.040 they're now condemned to a life of returning to the hospital over and over again. She said that

00:03:26.160 she, she boasted that, uh, bottom surgeries for women, for example, making a fake penis is worth

00:03:31.440 $100,000 a pop to the hospital. How large is the fake penis? Because I'm a wealthy, wealthy man.

00:03:36.200 Well, it's, uh, I don't know. I haven't got that. I didn't get that deep into the research, but

00:03:41.880 get back to me. You get, so they, so they start, they start the transgender clinic and then now

00:03:47.540 they're concerned that there might be staff members at the hospital that aren't on board

00:03:50.920 with doing these kinds of things. We have another video of a woman at a lecture talking to staff

00:03:55.520 members at the hospital, telling them that if you conscientiously object to performing these

00:03:59.680 surgeries, that is problematic. There will be consequences and you shouldn't work at Vanderbilt.

00:04:03.960 Now I'm not a lawyer. I'm pretty sure telling someone explicitly that if you use your religious

00:04:07.860 freedom, there's going to be consequences for it. It doesn't seem legal to me. And then they also,

00:04:12.320 they, they, they still were not, uh, sure that staff members were fully on board. So they started

00:04:17.240 a first in its nation program called the trans buddy program where they hide, where they have these

00:04:22.120 volunteer activists, trans activists in the community that will come in and attend appointments

00:04:26.480 with trans patients to, they say, watch the doctors to make sure that monitor the doctors to make

00:04:32.180 sure that they're, uh, that they're not unsafe, which means that they're not misgendering. And they

00:04:37.020 say that this is available to children too. And then we get to the, the, the, the children piece

00:04:41.100 of this. And, uh, if you dig deep enough, you can find that they, they give chemical castration drugs

00:04:46.740 to children. They sterilize children. They give irreversible hormones to children as young as 13.

00:04:51.480 They admit all this on video. They do double mastectomies for girls as young as 16.

00:04:55.660 Um, some of this they've, they've deleted from, you know, from the sites where they put it,

00:05:01.660 but it's all there. Uh, so kind of to review, they started doing this in 2018 because of the

00:05:07.700 money. They admit it. Uh, they threatened doctors to make them go along with it. And now they're

00:05:13.120 chemically castrating and sterilizing children and it's all there. Candace, you had Perez Hilton

00:05:17.700 on your show just this week to talk about his position is that this is all fully reversible,

00:05:21.600 right? Yeah. I mean, his position to me really reflects the left position. It's very emblematic

00:05:26.720 of it. He just views this as an opinion and he kept saying this word over and over again. Well,

00:05:31.000 it's just my opinion. You know, it's just my opinion. It's like you are entitled to your own

00:05:35.440 opinions, but we are actually, we need to talk, have a fact-based discussion when we're talking

00:05:38.960 about the mutilation of children, because that's what it is. And I think the thing that was sad in

00:05:43.400 having that discussion is I was very open. You know, I did not want to press him at all. I wanted him

00:05:47.840 to actually hear from Scott Nugent who had already been through all of this.

00:05:51.600 But he was unwilling to edit his quote unquote opinion after being presented with the facts

00:05:56.800 because it is a religion, right? The left is, it's a cult. It's a religion. So it's just,

00:06:02.400 we'll sacrifice children on the altar of wokeism. I will say good on him for coming on the show.

00:06:06.940 Not very many people with whom we disagree will actually come on our shows and defend their

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00:07:30.780 Matt, you're obviously on kind of a one-man crusade here, trying to expose exactly what's

00:07:38.140 happening in these hospitals and happening to kids around the country. What is the reaction?

00:07:43.400 What are you actually hearing out there in response to the work that you're doing?

00:07:49.040 To this thing about Vanderbilt, the reaction has been, I mean, it's been pretty extraordinary just

00:07:53.580 in the last couple of hours. I wasn't totally sure how people would react because we've heard a lot

00:07:57.600 about these hospitals recently. I don't know if it's people have just all kind of becomes background

00:08:02.220 noise. But I think that the one thing that is very clear to me from making the film What is a

00:08:08.240 Woman to everything else we've been doing, that people really just don't know. They don't realize

00:08:13.500 that this stuff is happening. I think the average American, if you go up to them on the street, even

00:08:17.460 now, and you bring up, you know, that children are being castrated, they would say, well, that's not

00:08:22.480 happening. And it's like, of course, that's illegal. But it is happening. It's happening in every state.

00:08:27.040 And it's not actually illegal in any state. It is not currently illegal to chemically castrate

00:08:32.600 children in any state. And the reason why it's not illegal, even though they're in many of these

00:08:37.500 states like this one, you could easily pass a law and almost everyone would support it. But the reason

00:08:41.440 why it's not illegal is just because people don't realize that it's happening, which again goes back

00:08:44.640 to, that's why it's so extraordinary. Well, it never needed to be illegal.

00:08:47.240 Right, never needed to be legal until the last like eight or nine years. And for the last eight or

00:08:52.020 nine years, the gender ideologues, the gender ideology brigade, they've been out in the open

00:08:57.000 talking about how they're doing this. They've been very open about it.

00:09:00.800 In many ways, this is like abortion in that people just actually don't know. I was just at the live

00:09:06.980 action gala, great pro-life organization over the weekend. And they had an amazing statistic that

00:09:11.960 they've figured out through their own internal research, which is that when people who are pro-choice

00:09:17.620 are presented with their information, 19% of those people change their views in the pro-life

00:09:24.320 direction just by seeing the pictures and the stories and the facts.

00:09:29.340 The reality.

00:09:29.760 You're saying it's almost one in five. And it's because people just don't really know what an

00:09:34.120 abortion looks like, what it really means. And I think when it comes to transgenderism,

00:09:38.280 people don't realize that gender affirming surgery means you hack off little girls' forearms

00:09:43.840 and you hack off parts of their calves and you construct a fake, meaty, disgusting pseudo-genital.

00:09:51.180 And it's so ghastly. It's out of the most dystopian novel. If you just show people what that is,

00:09:57.500 it's not going to be one in five who change their opinion. It's going to be four in five. It might be

00:10:00.880 even more.

00:10:01.320 And I can't agree that this is a religion in the sense, unless you mean like some Mayan,

00:10:05.460 you know, apocalyptic, you know, child sacrifice. But religion, you know, is kind of a reasonable

00:10:10.700 thing garnered from faith and from reasoning about the world. This is mental illness, an upsurge of

00:10:16.120 mental illness in this country that I've never seen before. But you read about it in history,

00:10:20.300 the kind of thing people go mad. And I think this is a mass upsurge of mental illness followed by

00:10:27.280 the atrocities that mentally ill people would commit if you agreed with their delusions.

00:10:31.540 What's really amazing about it is to watch as the scientific community mirrors the woke

00:10:35.680 preferences of political class. And that's been the theme, obviously, over the last several years,

00:10:39.660 is how science, which was supposed to be the one thing that the Enlightenment gave us that was

00:10:43.920 actually useful, because it actually, you know, increased living standards and increased our

00:10:47.940 technological ability to do things and increased life expectancy. And how quickly science made itself

00:10:53.980 subject to the woke diktat is really astonishing on everything from COVID to obviously this. This is

00:11:00.500 the most obvious example. You know, when Matt, you talk about, you know, what they're actually doing

00:11:05.240 to children. It is impossible, realistically, to separate that from stories like the one that we

00:11:09.840 saw over in Canada, which I'm sure we all covered. This insane story of this high school teacher in

00:11:15.360 Canada, who is a man who walked into a high school wearing what effectively looked like beach balls in

00:11:20.960 his shirt. Size Z, that's what I called it on my show. That's size Z. It's prosthetic breasts that are

00:11:25.500 like beach balls with like fake nipples on the end. And the students rightly... You're talking like a

00:11:30.980 George Clooney level Batman fake nipple. Not quite that. Not that intense. Okay. And the

00:11:37.880 students took pictures of this and everything. And the school district came to the defense of this

00:11:41.840 man and said, well, he's a woman. I mean, he's a transgender woman. And this person has the right

00:11:45.740 to gender identity. And the thing is that when you recognize that this is all part of the same

00:11:50.960 playbook, that the same people who are saying that this man who is wearing the... who's acting out a

00:11:55.820 sexual fetish in front of children. I mean, that's what that is. That isn't even somebody who's

00:11:58.760 saying, I'm a man who believes I'm a woman. That's saying, I wish to act out a bizarre sexual

00:12:02.360 fetish that nobody's ever heard of in front of minors. And when this is now seen as an aspect

00:12:06.940 of gender identity, and you're supposed to mirror that in Canada, because if you don't,

00:12:11.060 then you might be in violation of anti-discrimination laws in places like Canada. You could have your

00:12:14.220 livelihood taken away from you. You could be sued. I mean, there are real consequences to this sort

00:12:18.400 of stuff in an anti-free speech nation now like Canada. That is part and parcel of the scientific

00:12:22.740 community in the United States and Canada and other places that buy into the idea that boys can

00:12:26.720 become girls. Girls can become boys. And the way that all of this works is that you just hack some

00:12:29.780 body parts off of people and you sterilize the children. But what about in America now? So

00:12:33.620 obviously, America's hat up in Canada always does crazy stuff avant-garde. But what about in America

00:12:38.620 after Bostock, after a conservative Supreme Court justice sided with the libs and enshrined SOGI,

00:12:45.420 sexual orientation and gender identity, into civil rights law? What if this happened at a school in

00:12:50.360 America? Would you see the same kind of arguments? I mean, you definitely could. You definitely could.

00:12:54.280 In fact, there was a case that just came up in Montana in which a judge ordered the state

00:12:58.880 legislature to pass a bill. The state legislature said you are not allowed to change your birth

00:13:02.740 certificate to your new assumed gender. If you're born male, your birth certificate stays male because

00:13:07.520 you were born a male. The judge overruled that law, struck it down, and said that he would hold in

00:13:12.800 contempt to anybody who continued to maintain that you could not change the sex on your birth certificate,

00:13:17.200 which is the ultimate retconning of science. Because no matter what you are or say you are now,

00:13:21.260 when you were born, we knew exactly what you were. I mean, you could just look at you and we knew what

00:13:24.620 you were. And so, you know, a hundred percent, this is a serious issue. And what the, what the Supreme

00:13:29.260 Court seems to be doing, and it's really quite frightening, is they are doing what they call

00:13:32.540 the Utah compromise. The idea being that they are going to expand the anti-discrimination law to

00:13:36.700 include sexual orientation, gender identity, but then they'll have religious clawbacks. So if you say

00:13:40.700 you're a religious person, then there'll be a carve out for you. But here's the thing. You shouldn't

00:13:43.860 have to be a religious person to say true things about gender identity and sexual orientation. You should not.

00:13:48.540 As we saw at Vanderbilt, if you, if you supposedly when you, when you want to use your religious

00:13:53.340 exemption, there can still be consequences. Right. Because what they say, what they always say

00:13:56.480 about religion is that religion is just covered for your bigotry, right? This is the, this is the

00:13:59.180 line you always get is that it's not really that you haven't a really religious belief that for

00:14:03.300 example, men are men and women are women and that there are hierarchies in terms of the morality of

00:14:08.260 sexual, sexual activity. None of that's really a religious belief. They say, what they say is that

00:14:13.380 that's just your bigotry speaking. And so you use the Bible as a cover for your actual bigotry. And it's also

00:14:17.120 not, you don't need the Bible or the, or, or any of the rest of this. You could just use, you know,

00:14:20.480 science and logic to come up with some basic natural law explanations of how human people are

00:14:24.740 supposed to act in sexual context. But we're not allowed to do that either. That has now been relegated

00:14:28.940 by the Supreme Court to only crazy religious people believe that, but they say it's for their crazy

00:14:32.720 religion. Then maybe we'll let them do it sometimes. Yeah. Well, you know, this, this very issue,

00:14:37.760 of course, uh, did the most damaging thing possible. I mean, yes, there's the mutilation of children.

00:14:43.640 Yes, there's the advancing, uh, of mental illness and the elevation of mental illness

00:14:48.580 in our society, but it also cost me some money. What happened is, uh, Michael Knowles and Candace

00:14:53.920 had a conversation, not on the daily wire at all about gender dysphoria and our friends over at

00:15:01.260 Harry's razors for whom we had been advertising for some time, uh, you know, sharing our, the goodwill

00:15:06.700 of our audience and exposing them to their products. I decided that they not only weren't going to put up

00:15:10.760 with you guys talking about that on some other platform, uh, but they, uh, we're also going to

00:15:15.280 condemn our audience as being, you know, having values misalignment and being retrograde and all this

00:15:19.520 stuff. I don't remember their exact, uh, uh, irreconcilable differences essentially. Uh, anyway,

00:15:25.600 that pissed me off real good. And if you remember, uh, at that time, I thought that a funny thing to do

00:15:29.720 would be to launch a multimillion dollar business, uh, because that's always, to me, the funniest joke

00:15:34.520 is the joke that you take to the absolute most expensive extreme. Exactly. The more expensive,

00:15:39.560 the better. And so we launched Jeremy's razors and it's done very well over these last five months.

00:15:43.480 We've sold 85,000, uh, razor subscriptions. People are loving the product because it's fantastic. Uh,

00:15:49.000 I have our founder's kit right here and they wanted me to use it as a prop and unzip it and show you

00:15:53.320 all the things that are in it, but I'm just going to spoil it alert. It's a razor, razor blades.

00:15:57.620 It's a, it's a wonderful razor. You're going to love it. Um, but what's happening next with Jeremy's razors?

00:16:03.220 This is the question I always get. And it, it occurred to me that there's a real problem.

00:16:07.780 Obviously, if you want to stop giving your money to woke corporations that hate you,

00:16:11.900 you're giving your money to Jeremy's razors. Obviously you're not buying, if you're watching

00:16:16.020 this program, you're not buying your razors from Harry's or Gillette anymore. Uh, and, and

00:16:20.020 literally propping up their socialist leftist fantasy agenda with your money. But what about your

00:16:26.900 friends? Right. You've still got, if your friend thinks taco Tuesday is a form of cultural

00:16:32.800 appropriation, they need a Jeremy's razors. They do. If your friend, they wrote these,

00:16:38.240 these are not my lines. Preach, preach Jeremy. If your friend insists that fan, that a fantasy

00:16:42.840 football draft should start with a land acknowledgement. So we're launching this amazing

00:16:52.020 competition, the, the, the contest for a car over at jeremysrazors.com slash play. And here's the

00:16:58.160 thing. You can send out a unique referral link. You can start sharing that around to your friends

00:17:02.020 and someone is going to win the God King's McLaren. So I know if you're, if you're watching

00:17:10.060 this show, you're probably watching it backstage live. When I said, it's not actually my McLaren,

00:17:14.280 but here's how far I'm willing to take a joke. I bought the damn McLaren.

00:17:17.960 I bought the McLaren so that I could give it away to whoever actually wins the contest for the car

00:17:24.900 and refers the largest number of people, rescues the largest number of their friends from the

00:17:29.840 tyranny of woke razor companies. It should be you. I'm just going to tell you, I bought the car. I

00:17:35.360 have not driven it. I drove the car once in the commercial. So it's used. God Kings don't drive

00:17:42.600 used McLaren's. So it's in a very lovely air conditioned facility here in Nashville. And it's

00:17:48.740 just waiting to become yours. Head over to, uh, head over to jeremysrazors.com slash play,

00:17:54.120 get your unique referral code, send it around to your friends, rescue them from the tyranny of woke

00:17:58.860 razors. They'll get $12 off of their founder's series shave kit. You'll get credit, uh, for that

00:18:04.480 you can put against all the sort of upcoming Jeremy's products by Black Friday. We're going to have,

00:18:08.360 well, I won't spoil it here. That's another announcement. Lots of amazing new products are coming

00:18:11.900 and most importantly, you'll get points in the race to win the God Kings McLaren. You'll also

00:18:16.420 get points by referring Daily Wire plus memberships to your friends. So get out there. We've got six

00:18:20.940 weeks on November 1st. We're going to declare the winner. They're going to get those keys to that

00:18:24.820 beautiful McLaren 600. It's one of, I mean, fewer than 600 of these were even made. It truly is an

00:18:30.740 unbelievable vehicle. And I truly can't be seen in a used sports car. So head over again,

00:18:36.920 jeremysrazors.com slash play. Uh, we're kicking this off right now. In fact, Michael,

00:18:41.480 you were a part of the, the actual release. I was in the video. I was in the McLaren. I may have

00:18:48.940 been in the McLaren more than you have been in the McLaren. Certainly. I, I think I know the answer

00:18:53.940 to this because as I just mentioned to you, the, the funniness of the joke depends upon how expensive

00:19:00.960 it is. Yes. Are, are you actually giving away the McLaren? Oh yeah. I'm actually giving away the

00:19:06.400 McLaren. As I said, the McLaren, Michael is used. I cannot, I cannot stress it. As a partner in this

00:19:13.000 business, I do wish that some things had been run by me before Jeremy went and purchased an

00:19:19.160 extraordinarily expensive vehicle to give it away. You know what he was thinking? I, I actually bought

00:19:23.620 the car personally. The business did not buy the car because it had to be around. It had to be the

00:19:29.000 God King's McLaren, right? It couldn't be the Daily Wire's McLaren. That's not cool.

00:19:32.340 I know, I know what was going through your head. You said this company, which was really,

00:19:36.140 it just started as kind of a vindictive joke against Harry's. It was too shockingly profitable.

00:19:41.580 So you said that we cannot have that. We've got to put that money back into a car.

00:19:45.100 I just feel like I should get credit. I just feel like I should get credit for this. I'm the one

00:19:49.060 that posed that question to you on an entirely different platform in which you answered.

00:19:54.040 By the way, behind every great male idea is a woman that is being bored.

00:19:57.720 And for some reason, they came after me when truly all I did was agree with the point you made. And

00:20:03.900 they said, Knowles, that horrible bigot, he agreed with Candace.

00:20:06.980 You're welcome.

00:20:07.560 Yep.

00:20:07.900 I just want to say, this is tough for me to see that someone's going to get this really

00:20:11.960 nice car because I just went literally today and bought a used 12 passenger van for my one

00:20:18.560 million kids.

00:20:19.280 The trad wagon?

00:20:20.640 Yeah.

00:20:21.060 Yeah.

00:20:21.340 Great.

00:20:22.120 I went to a car dealership that operates out of a motel, which is true, and I bought a 12

00:20:26.520 passenger van.

00:20:27.720 So I will never drive a car like that.

00:20:29.980 I've got too many kids.

00:20:31.180 My original idea was to have you guys compete against each other to win the car.

00:20:35.420 Oh my gosh.

00:20:36.100 And then legal said that that absolutely could not happen under certain circumstances.

00:20:40.040 I don't know.

00:20:40.820 Even if we just did it as like a gladiator fight where we just beat the crap out of each

00:20:44.180 other?

00:20:44.260 No, that's exactly what I had in mind.

00:20:46.060 Who did you think was going to win?

00:20:47.380 That's a very important question.

00:20:48.640 Candace, you're the only one who could possibly drive the car.

00:20:50.620 The rest of us would be pulled over just for being in the car.

00:20:59.020 There was a DigiDay story this week about media companies launching consumer goods businesses

00:21:04.620 and how they all failed.

00:21:06.440 And I thought, it's so interesting that the left can't grant any of our successes.

00:21:10.160 The Daily Wire is one of the biggest media companies, and we've launched a successful

00:21:13.620 consumer goods business.

00:21:14.780 So they just ignore our existence altogether.

00:21:17.500 It doesn't fit their name.

00:21:17.940 Or they try to de-platform.

00:21:19.480 That's right.

00:21:19.860 So the CBC this week put out a story suggesting, once again, that I'm mainlining people directly

00:21:25.040 into extremism.

00:21:26.180 And it was pretty great.

00:21:27.400 I mean, the story itself was a lot of fun.

00:21:29.220 It said, while he is not associated with any known hate group, he does hold extremist views.

00:21:36.800 And then the extremist view was that I had said that gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

00:21:41.080 So me and the DSM-5.

00:21:43.820 Yeah, I was going to say, that used to be known in the DSM-5.

00:21:45.840 The two of us.

00:21:46.220 Gender identity disorder.

00:21:47.140 Me and every psychologist in America.

00:21:49.260 Until five minutes ago.

00:21:50.860 Yeah.

00:21:51.180 I mean, still.

00:21:51.940 I mean, the gender dysphoria and the DSM-5 is a mental disorder.

00:21:54.200 I mean, that is what it is.

00:21:54.960 I like when they make fun of us for being moral.

00:21:56.840 Like, I barely tweet anymore.

00:21:58.180 But I went onto Twitter and they were talking about me and Ben having this discussion about

00:22:01.360 how pornography is bad for relationships.

00:22:03.320 And they were, like, mocking us.

00:22:05.040 And I just went to myself, okay, I guess because we're being moral and we're discussing the

00:22:09.580 corrosion of American values.

00:22:11.920 That is what it is.

00:22:12.600 So I was trying to.

00:22:13.440 They mock morality.

00:22:14.100 I was racking my brain for, like, what was the thing that was my extreme moral view?

00:22:17.420 Because they were like, well, you know, he has extreme views on objectification of women.

00:22:21.280 I was like, have you met me?

00:22:23.000 I'm an Orthodox Jew.

00:22:24.260 Objectification of women, like, ain't in the arts.

00:22:26.320 So your extreme view is you're against it.

00:22:28.020 Right, exactly.

00:22:29.440 And then they said something about masculinity.

00:22:31.780 And I'm like, my extreme view on masculinity is that men should get a job, get married,

00:22:36.680 support their kids, and raise them.

00:22:38.240 Like, I know, very extreme stuff.

00:22:40.020 And then I realized that the actual extreme view is, of course, all of those things, plus

00:22:42.880 the idea that, as I said before, certain types of sexual activity are more moral than

00:22:47.180 other types of sexual activity.

00:22:48.200 And this is the one big thing you are not allowed to say in the United States.

00:22:51.140 You're not allowed to say that any type of sexual activity is more or less moral than

00:22:53.700 any other type of sexual activity because we have boiled down identity in the United States

00:22:57.020 to who you want to screw.

00:22:58.600 And if you doubt in any way, shape, or form that somebody's choices on this front are

00:23:04.060 either less moral than another person's choice, without even talking about government regulation,

00:23:08.040 if you doubt that, then you are a bigot.

00:23:10.440 Unless you're a straight man not attracted to trans women.

00:23:13.640 Well, that's true.

00:23:14.280 Which case they can condemn you.

00:23:15.660 That's right.

00:23:15.800 I had a conversation with a gay friend last night who, and it was all about this topic,

00:23:20.000 the topic of identity, that the worst lie that's been peddled, I think, really on the

00:23:25.400 entire country, and in particular, it's been peddled on young people, and it's been peddled

00:23:29.440 on gay men in particular, is that your sexuality is the central defining aspect of your identity.

00:23:36.880 Yep.

00:23:37.320 And partially because I'm a Protestant and a contrarian, those two things probably go hand

00:23:42.800 in hand.

00:23:44.480 Identity is like one of the most important topics to me.

00:23:46.580 And I think that a person should craft their identity.

00:23:51.300 I think that the most American thing that one can do is not to say, I'll pick on you,

00:23:58.000 Michael, just for a minute.

00:23:58.800 You're obviously very proudly an Italian and American, and you eat meatballs.

00:24:02.180 And one time, I remember an actual...

00:24:05.540 Kill people.

00:24:06.120 Yeah, that's right.

00:24:08.080 Piano wire.

00:24:08.860 I actually remember there was a whole year where Michael would, for breakfast, bring a pizza

00:24:13.140 pie to the Daily Wire.

00:24:14.640 Extra large.

00:24:15.160 Extra large.

00:24:15.720 He was trying to get in shape for a movie that Drew and I were never going to cast in.

00:24:20.820 I remember this, actually.

00:24:21.940 Yeah.

00:24:22.360 I gained 20 pounds of muscle.

00:24:23.700 You did?

00:24:24.140 I did.

00:24:24.680 Well, you gained 20 pounds of American.

00:24:25.960 I didn't know.

00:24:26.740 I realized there's one thing you're supposed to do.

00:24:29.340 They say you gain all the muscle, and then you're supposed to cut.

00:24:32.600 I didn't cut.

00:24:33.080 I never did the cut.

00:24:34.880 But I think that saying, I'm an Italian-American can be taken to a bad place.

00:24:40.800 Yeah.

00:24:40.920 And that one of the things that's great about America is that we get to sort of look at the

00:24:45.120 world and choose the best parts and build the individual out of those best parts.

00:24:50.820 You're not just an Italian-American.

00:24:53.120 I mean, the Queen died this week.

00:24:54.920 Yeah.

00:24:55.260 I was moved by it.

00:24:56.900 I'm, as far as I know, not British.

00:24:59.800 My ancestry isn't British.

00:25:01.100 But I can look at the role that Britain has played in world history.

00:25:05.280 I can look at the work of Queen Elizabeth over the 70 years of her reign and see something

00:25:10.640 that I want to emulate, see values that I think are good.

00:25:12.740 And I want to appropriate, which I think is a very good term, I want to appropriate the

00:25:16.700 best things from around the world and build sort of a uniquely American identity or a uniquely

00:25:20.600 Jeremy identity.

00:25:22.420 That doesn't mean throwing out the past.

00:25:23.980 It just means that we get to be selective about the past.

00:25:26.900 I say all the time, I want to take the very best ideas of the past and build a future

00:25:31.220 on top of those.

00:25:32.100 I want to dismiss the very worst ideas of the past and not include those in the future

00:25:36.120 that I think that we can all build together.

00:25:37.880 But what we've said to young people and gay men in America is, all you are.

00:25:42.400 You're not the best ideas of the past.

00:25:44.080 You're not the best ideas of your heart.

00:25:46.060 You're not the best ideas you've had.

00:25:47.480 You're not a pianist or a cellist or a woodworker or no.

00:25:50.880 That's right.

00:25:51.220 You are only this thing.

00:25:52.700 Well, that's Freudian.

00:25:53.800 I mean, it's takeoff on Freud.

00:25:54.840 It grows from Freud, but it also eliminates the entire creative tension that America has

00:25:59.960 exemplified between identity and role.

00:26:02.780 You know, the idea that, yes, I want to do this, but it might be wrong.

00:26:05.560 It might be bad for my spirit.

00:26:07.080 Yes, I come from these descendants, but I want to go in a new way.

00:26:10.940 And that creates a tension.

00:26:12.460 All our movies are about this, Get Out and The Godfather, about, you know, I want to be

00:26:16.820 an American, but something else is pulling me.

00:26:18.520 And that is an incredibly creative way to live because it is, it exemplifies the spiritual

00:26:23.640 life.

00:26:24.280 The spiritual life is that I'm in this body that wants certain things, but not all of

00:26:28.080 the things it wants are good for me.

00:26:29.320 And so we're in this wonderful tension.

00:26:31.080 Speaking of sort of Hollywood and all of this, you can see the evolution in movies of how

00:26:36.380 narrative has changed in America, right?

00:26:38.320 All the movies used to be about how I'm driven to do this thing that would be my bliss, but

00:26:42.440 I have this role and I have this duty.

00:26:43.720 And so I have to actually do this role in the studio.

00:26:45.320 And it's really important that I fulfill this role in the studio.

00:26:46.900 Now, every movie is precisely the opposite.

00:26:48.880 Society is calling on me to do this thing, but I'm going to break free and be me.

00:26:52.640 And being me is the most important thing that there can possibly be.

00:26:55.160 You see it in the Disney universe to, we'll get to, I'm sure, Matt's Disney comments in

00:27:00.180 just a second.

00:27:00.800 But the Disney universe went from Jiminy Cricket saying, always let your conscience be your

00:27:04.760 guide, to Ilsa singing, no right, no wrong, no rules, I'm free, right?

00:27:09.780 I mean, like the idea in Disney movies has explicitly moved away from the idea of you're supposed

00:27:14.620 to have a role within a certain confine to find your bliss, be yourself, and being yourself

00:27:19.520 is the greatest hero you can be.

00:27:20.600 I do think that Americans can be uniquely individuals, that you can be yourself.

00:27:25.860 Who your true self is isn't utterly unmoored from reality.

00:27:30.620 I like the term classical liberalism as a descriptor for my views.

00:27:35.080 Classical is a major part of the term, right?

00:27:37.540 It's not freedom having, it's not throw away the past and you will be free.

00:27:42.640 But it's within the best ideas of the past, there is a freedom.

00:27:45.840 In the religious worldview, the idea is that you are a biological being and you have to

00:27:50.340 reach beyond yourself to values that are far beyond you and you have to fulfill roles in

00:27:54.820 order to reach those values, right?

00:27:56.620 I mean, there's an interplay between you and civilization.

00:27:58.800 The process of raising a child is taking what is essentially a piece of raw biological material

00:28:02.960 and turning that into a civilized human being.

00:28:04.980 This was the process of actually civilizing people and we've decided civilization is bad.

00:28:09.000 It's an imposition on people.

00:28:10.120 And because civilization is an imposition on people, civilization itself must be wrecked

00:28:14.160 and it must be ruined.

00:28:15.040 By the way, I think that you see a lot of this in the rage at the British Empire, in the

00:28:18.480 rage at Queen Elizabeth II.

00:28:20.160 The idea is that that great clip of Don Lemon today.

00:28:23.480 The Don Lemon clip.

00:28:24.440 It's a spectacular clip.

00:28:25.920 You know, this is why I think we actually keep failing on the transgender stuff is because

00:28:31.400 we're not taking this conversation to heart as conservatives.

00:28:34.420 Because what we keep doing is falling into the same sort of liberal trap of reducing everything

00:28:41.040 to chromosomes, you know, to biology and who we are and identity and rights instead of

00:28:47.760 what we're all talking about right now, which is duty and obligation.

00:28:51.420 That's what Edmund Burke talked about.

00:28:52.960 This is a way, I already regret that I'm going to say this, but this is a way in which Knowles

00:28:56.680 is right about both the Reformation and the Enlightenment.

00:28:59.680 The solution to the violence that grew out of the religious division that came with the

00:29:03.920 Reformation was basically to say to each his own, we're not going to solve this problem.

00:29:08.200 We're going to separate.

00:29:08.920 Do it.

00:29:09.120 Say it.

00:29:09.420 Say it.

00:29:09.700 Say it.

00:29:10.160 Say peace of Westphalia.

00:29:11.200 The peace of Westphalia.

00:29:11.940 Yes.

00:29:12.340 Oh, yes.

00:29:13.400 That's a record.

00:29:14.400 That's a record.

00:29:14.840 27 minutes.

00:29:15.640 That's a record.

00:29:16.420 Well, I also think.

00:29:17.320 But let me just finish the idea that the more conflicts you take away, theoretically, the

00:29:24.560 more peace there'll be, right?

00:29:25.600 So if there's no moral arguments to be had, we won't get into moral arguments.

00:29:29.860 And of course, it works like everything on the left.

00:29:31.680 It works exactly the opposite.

00:29:33.240 But if you remove all this tension, you remove all the source of creativity in life, all the

00:29:37.800 fights between the many and the few, all the fights between freedom and equality, all

00:29:42.420 those things that have been the creative engine of our lives are taken away.

00:29:46.340 And you're left with nothing but this kind of flat deadness of desire where you want

00:29:50.300 and you get and then you feel bad, but you can't say so.

00:29:53.440 I agree with all of this.

00:29:55.420 But I also sort of feel that if you ask someone, what's your identity or how do you identify

00:30:01.120 or where do you find your identity?

00:30:03.040 I think maybe the healthiest answer to get from someone is sort of, I don't know, why

00:30:06.180 are you asking me that?

00:30:06.920 Because another problem is that we spend so much time.

00:30:10.240 I think this was a change in Western cultures.

00:30:13.240 We spent all this time sort of like peering back within ourselves and constantly thinking,

00:30:17.020 well, who am I and why am I here?

00:30:18.900 And what is, well, not even why I'm here, just who am I and how do I feel and where do

00:30:22.460 I find my identity?

00:30:23.500 And it's just this constant peering back within yourself and you kind of get sort of like

00:30:27.560 sucked into yourself like a black hole and just everything gets sucked along with you.

00:30:30.820 I think the most, if you go to cultures where they don't have this hangup and you ask

00:30:36.700 them these questions, yeah, they find their identity and duties and responsibilities and all

00:30:40.260 of that is true.

00:30:40.700 But if you ask them, where do you find your identity?

00:30:42.960 They'll just look at you like, what kind of question is that?

00:30:44.560 The only thing they might say is that they inhabit their identity so clearly that they

00:30:48.920 don't even think about it.

00:30:50.500 And so that's one of the problems is even by having this conversation, it's sort of like

00:30:55.340 we're making identity complicated.

00:30:57.200 But there is a simple answer, actually.

00:30:58.860 Because of what Jeremy said.

00:30:59.880 I mean, American identity is complicated.

00:31:02.940 It does require, I think, more thought because we are making choices that no one has ever made

00:31:07.340 before.

00:31:08.820 Obviously, you're agreeing with me.

00:31:09.840 Yeah, well, has anybody seen the TikTok domino video of the guy telling you every feeling

00:31:14.800 that he has as a domino?

00:31:16.500 I thought that was the culture in a nutshell.

00:31:18.900 It's a very beautiful domino thing where it falls in different ways and different colors

00:31:23.120 fall over.

00:31:23.760 And each second of it, he says, oh, that makes me feel good.

00:31:26.400 Oh, that makes me feel angry.

00:31:27.400 Now I'm frustrated.

00:31:28.220 Oh, I'm so happy that happened.

00:31:30.040 That's the culture in a nutshell.

00:31:32.020 It's not that we search for identity, which I think is a complicated American thing to do.

00:31:36.200 It's that we care about every little damn thing.

00:31:39.080 And that's not the point at all.

00:31:40.960 And to the religious man, our identity is supposed to, in some ways, yes, in some ways,

00:31:46.320 be caught up in duties and caught up in role.

00:31:48.140 But caught up in God.

00:31:49.800 You know, the Christian answer is that our identity is in Christ.

00:31:52.960 Now I'm really canceling your razors.

00:31:55.260 And the Jewish answer is that our identity is not in Christ.

00:31:59.160 That's my understanding of Judaism.

00:32:01.460 This is a mild disagreement.

00:32:02.760 He's a Westphalia.

00:32:03.620 But didn't we still get to kill you guys?

00:32:07.140 This is the simple answer, right?

00:32:08.680 You know, God in the burning bush talks to Moses and he says, my name is I am who I am.

00:32:13.980 And I am essence itself.

00:32:15.700 And so, you know, if you find your identity in being, in I am who I am, then it's pretty simple.

00:32:22.340 And by the way, a lot of that downstream comes to duty and role.

00:32:26.640 And here's what you're supposed to do.

00:32:28.260 But there's also jazz.

00:32:29.140 Like, I don't want to be, I'm not a conservative in the fundamental sense.

00:32:35.640 I don't think that we are born into sort of a gray life in which we must live out our precise duty and do exactly what was done before us.

00:32:44.880 Of course, I don't think that.

00:32:45.760 We're to be free.

00:32:46.620 And I love the complexity of American identity.

00:32:49.420 We do have the opportunity to play jazz.

00:32:53.160 But the thing about jazz or the thing about the great Impressionist painters is the Impressionists were good painters.

00:32:58.240 And the great jazz musicians are good musicians.

00:33:00.200 They know the rules.

00:33:00.680 They know the rules.

00:33:01.260 The difference between John Coltrane playing notes and you playing notes on a trumpet.

00:33:05.440 That's exactly right.

00:33:06.220 And we've completely obliterated this.

00:33:07.500 This is one of the problems, actually, I mean, as our friend Dennis Prager would say in art, this is one of the big problems.

00:33:11.020 That the people who knew how to color outside the lines also knew how to color inside the lines.

00:33:14.180 They knew the purpose of the lines.

00:33:15.700 And now art is basically we don't know the purpose of the lines.

00:33:17.860 We don't know the purpose of any.

00:33:18.940 And that's true in society also.

00:33:20.400 What is the purpose of these roles?

00:33:21.520 Why do we even need these roles?

00:33:22.640 What if we just explode these roles?

00:33:24.240 And one of the big problems is that in a post-Enlightenment era, one of the things that we've done is now I'm going to quote Oakeshott again.

00:33:29.380 Here we go, baby.

00:33:30.380 We're doing it.

00:33:31.140 Michael's jam right here.

00:33:31.840 We're going far right tonight.

00:33:33.060 You're just a corrupting character.

00:33:34.820 It turns out Michael is the gateway drug.

00:33:38.480 But, you know, Peter Boghossian, he put out that picture that I was talking about earlier of that person in Toronto who's wearing like the fake breasts.

00:33:46.540 And he said, you know, try to explain to somebody like just in a rationalistic way.

00:33:49.860 We all have the gut feeling this should not be exposed to children.

00:33:52.020 Now try to explain to somebody in a rationalistic way why this shouldn't be exposed to children.

00:33:56.300 You can do it, but it's a little bit like you have to think about it for a second.

00:33:59.320 And the answer is you shouldn't have to think about it for a second.

00:34:01.600 You should just say this should not be exposed to children.

00:34:04.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:34:05.060 That doesn't make you a bad person.

00:34:06.160 It's okay to have an instinct where you say this is not appropriate for children because we have the inherited wisdom of ages saying this is not appropriate for children.

00:34:13.540 And tossing that out as a source of data is a real mistake.

00:34:16.420 And one of the things that we've done in a very American post-enlightenment way is we've basically said if I can't justify it, it should be discarded.

00:34:24.440 And that's not the way that you approach change.

00:34:26.500 I cannot tell you how much I agree with this.

00:34:28.820 I've been for the last few weeks I've been talking to people about things that you should just not do because you should just not do them, like chemically castrating young healthy boys or cutting the breasts off young healthy girls.

00:34:40.680 Like that shouldn't be a conversation.

00:34:42.560 There should not be.

00:34:43.420 That actually is a conversation with only one side.

00:34:45.640 Stop doing that.

00:34:46.760 And, you know, you only have to go back.

00:34:48.380 I mean, I know this is such an over – it's become such an overused trope, but it's still a good thing to remember that the logic – so many of the Nazis who were tried after the war said, well, you know, this wasn't my business.

00:35:00.440 This was the business of medical people.

00:35:03.140 And you'd say, why medical people?

00:35:04.700 Well, it was death.

00:35:05.540 That's a medical thing, so I didn't have to deal with it.

00:35:08.140 There are certain things that you do where you just say, don't do that.

00:35:11.520 Now, it's good to live – I'm sorry, I'll back out, but it's good to live in a culture.

00:35:15.460 A free culture has a healthy left.

00:35:18.640 And a healthy left should be able to ask incredibly challenging questions.

00:35:24.100 They should posit questions even – I mean, I can't say that they should posit should we chemically castrate children, but many of the things that we discussed should be posited.

00:35:34.040 But where we've arrived in critical theory in this country is that simply by positing the question, you've abolished the standard.

00:35:41.560 Well, they reverse the burden of proof, right?

00:35:44.620 Normally, when you come in and you actually change a thing, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why the thing should be changed.

00:35:50.240 That's right.

00:35:50.440 And instead of what they've said is, we don't have to show you why the thing should be changed.

00:35:53.400 We don't have to show you what the effect of will be of changing the thing.

00:35:57.080 Me asking you to justify it, and if you don't give me an answer that I like, I can just blow it up.

00:36:01.200 And that's not the way that good change ever gets done.

00:36:03.480 I mean, if you were to design a device in a lab, and somebody designed half of it, and you came to them, and you're like, I want you to explain every little bit in pieces.

00:36:10.400 I don't like it.

00:36:10.820 You smash it.

00:36:11.460 And you have to explain what you're going to do next with the pieces that are there that is going to be better than what's already been built.

00:36:16.160 And the left feels no onus to do any of this.

00:36:18.300 They just believe that if you destroy all the pieces of this particular machine, they can, just on faith, on faith in themselves, that they can rebuild this incredibly complex structure that, by the way, was not actually thought out.

00:36:28.360 It evolved over time.

00:36:29.700 This is the truth about human systems.

00:36:31.000 Human systems are evolutionary.

00:36:32.440 They are not rationalistic.

00:36:33.520 Now you become a Burkean, too.

00:36:35.000 I mean, this was all well-known.

00:36:38.340 I mean, even the people who we talk about as classical liberals, until you got to basically John Stuart Mill, even they acknowledge that most of the things that we believe are not things that we can actually rationalize.

00:36:49.300 I mean, David Hume says this.

00:36:50.280 David Hume is a real classical liberal.

00:36:51.980 So even classical liberals understood that you inherit wisdom, and that most wisdom is not something that came up out of your head tabula rasa.

00:36:58.800 And this idea that you can just create a system of rules based on your own logic is completely insane.

00:37:02.900 Matt, we interrupted you a few times.

00:37:04.040 Yeah, I think the left's, that's why the left's basic tactic here is to make simple things complicated.

00:37:10.800 They don't have to explain anything.

00:37:12.540 The point you made about burden of proof is so important.

00:37:14.560 I think that's exactly the point.

00:37:16.020 You know, if somebody comes along and says, you know, my pronouns are Zs or Zem, why won't you use them?

00:37:22.440 Why won't you use the pronouns?

00:37:23.100 They're like, no, you tell me why I should.

00:37:24.660 Give me a good reason why I should.

00:37:25.700 It's on you.

00:37:26.480 But I also think that all they do is they take these very simple, innate things, and they don't offer any evidence.

00:37:31.680 They just throw a lot of words and make it very complicated.

00:37:34.340 I mean, The Atlantic had an article about why, you know, actually, we shouldn't be sex-segregating sports.

00:37:40.000 Everyone thinks we should, but we shouldn't.

00:37:41.460 You read the article, read the article, and the article actually links to studies, too.

00:37:45.020 I read the studies because nobody actually does it.

00:37:46.800 There's nothing there.

00:37:47.600 It's just a bunch of words.

00:37:48.320 There's no conclusions.

00:37:49.320 It's just all it is is obfuscation to make it seem complicated.

00:37:52.700 At the end, they hope that you kind of throw your hands up and say, I don't understand this.

00:37:55.660 And then they come along and say, well, I've got the credentials, you know, Jack Turbin, this, Jack Turbin, this, this, another one of these gender ideology doctors.

00:38:02.940 But he's been to every fancy school in America for 37 years.

00:38:06.060 Right, right, right.

00:38:06.220 He tweeted this week that he's got 15 years in Ivy League schools, so basically just, you know, back away and leave him alone.

00:38:12.140 But it's like, you spent 15 years in Ivy League schools.

00:38:14.400 You know less about biology than my five-year-old.

00:38:16.400 But I guess my point, I've got to give Jack Turbin a little credit.

00:38:19.700 I mean, I've been fighting Jack Turbin online.

00:38:21.660 I remember that guy first popped up, and he seemed so crazy, and he is so crazy.

00:38:27.800 But his point in that tweet, where he was bragging about all his stupid degrees, you know, 15 years at Harvard, he doesn't know what the difference between a boy and a girl is.

00:38:35.060 But he said, you know, the best you guys on the right can come up with is talking about chromosomes.

00:38:39.820 And that's actually not true.

00:38:41.260 What we're saying is that men and women are different, and you can see this in chromosomes and elsewhere.

00:38:46.060 But furthermore, men have an obligation to act like men, and women have an obligation and a duty to act like women.

00:38:54.800 And there's actually a role for people in society.

00:38:58.260 And that, I think, would make the guy's head explode.

00:38:59.620 This is why it's very important that Candace not get any credit for anything that she does.

00:39:06.420 And I want to talk about how little women are to be seen and not heard, and I want to talk about specific instances of Candace rightly not getting credit for her brilliance.

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00:40:17.680 April 22nd, the year of our Lord, 2022.

00:40:25.380 Our friend, Jack Basobiec, bussing illegals to D.C. doesn't seem to be doing much of anything.

00:40:31.920 In reply, Candace Owens, now five days a week at Daily Wire Plus, buss them to Martha's Vineyard.

00:40:41.120 Wow.

00:40:42.060 Behold!

00:40:43.380 Behold the policy genius.

00:40:45.180 We'll never get credit for this.

00:40:50.460 I was just like, am I really not going to get credit for this?

00:40:52.400 This whole team follows me.

00:40:53.480 We're just going to go ahead and let him say this was his genius policy idea.

00:40:57.040 I was like, okay, that's fine.

00:40:57.580 You didn't bust them, though.

00:40:58.300 You flew them.

00:40:58.740 That's true.

00:40:59.160 And I just tweeted.

00:40:59.980 So I guess he did.

00:41:02.780 He did technically do more.

00:41:04.360 But yes, that policy was informed from my Twitter feed.

00:41:08.220 It was so obvious to me.

00:41:09.820 It was, you know, the inner city communities is where crime and corruption happens anyways.

00:41:13.480 So it's like, you know, okay, yes, it's already bad.

00:41:15.660 We're going to turn it into Gotham City.

00:41:17.100 Sure.

00:41:17.640 If you really want to make them uncomfortable, obviously, when they're, you know, when they

00:41:21.100 leave the city, they go to Martha's Vineyard.

00:41:23.460 They go to Montauk.

00:41:24.360 They go, you know, this is the places that if you really want to see policy change really

00:41:27.320 quickly, you should ship them.

00:41:29.260 And so, DeSantis, it is totally fine that you stole my idea and made it yours.

00:41:35.420 How gracious of you.

00:41:36.440 At least, yeah, exactly, exactly.

00:41:38.300 It's totally fine.

00:41:39.220 And I am going to be humble and say that it was totally my idea that you did.

00:41:43.920 But I'm glad you had the courage to do it.

00:41:45.980 I love it.

00:41:46.400 I think it's great.

00:41:46.980 I love about women, the way they stand behind men.

00:41:49.440 And if anyone's looking for a potential running mate, DeSantis and Candace kind of rhymes.

00:41:54.120 Wow.

00:41:54.640 That's all I'm saying.

00:41:55.580 That's all I'm saying.

00:41:56.620 This is one of the best stories of the week.

00:41:58.500 And just before we went on the air, Ben pointed out to me that apparently in this particular

00:42:04.500 group of illegal immigrants has already fully embraced the American way of life and sued

00:42:09.620 DeSantis.

00:42:11.100 They did.

00:42:11.680 They issued a lawsuit just before the show began in which they are claiming false imprisonment.

00:42:16.640 They're claiming failure of due process.

00:42:18.800 They're claiming only the federal government really gets to, I guess, ship them to random

00:42:22.260 towns in the Southwest and just leave them in their bus stops, which is what the federal

00:42:25.080 government does by the hundreds of thousands every single year.

00:42:27.320 That's right.

00:42:27.660 But Ron DeSantis is putting them on an air-conditioned charter plane after they signed forms saying

00:42:31.080 they would like to go on these air-conditioned charter planes and then being shipped up to

00:42:34.840 Martha's Vineyard where they greatly enrich the lives of all of the white liberals who

00:42:39.540 are up there for a grand total of 44 hours.

00:42:42.440 And half-white liberals.

00:42:43.660 That's true.

00:42:44.900 They're being incredibly precise.

00:42:46.540 Before the National Guard are called in to cleanse the place of these illegal immigrants

00:42:50.180 and send them to a local military base.

00:42:53.040 I have to say that what an amazing country this is, truly.

00:42:57.180 That your life story over the past eight weeks was trekking the jungles of El Salvador and

00:43:03.820 eating raw mango and watching your friends die of disease all the way up through Mexico.

00:43:08.880 You finally make it to that border.

00:43:10.640 The government leads you home.

00:43:11.400 You pay off MS-13, right?

00:43:12.360 You pay off the quartel.

00:43:13.180 Right.

00:43:13.480 The coyotes smuggle you across the border in a truck.

00:43:15.920 You narrowly escape dying in Bexar County in the back of a hot truck.

00:43:19.500 And then you are released as like a homeless person on the street, which is where apparently

00:43:22.640 these folks were found.

00:43:24.500 And then you are flown to literally the richest area of the United States on a charter flight,

00:43:28.540 which is what most Americans...

00:43:29.280 I mean, maybe this should be actually our next Jeremy's Razors promo.

00:43:33.440 If you sell a lot of razors, we will put you on a charter flight to Martha's Vineyard.

00:43:37.760 Because that's pretty awesome.

00:43:38.960 Where you can enrich the lives.

00:43:40.460 So many.

00:43:41.580 So many.

00:43:42.280 And so now they're suing Governor DeSantis.

00:43:44.380 Yeah, but which progressive that lives on Martha's Vineyard is obviously funding that

00:43:48.220 lawsuit?

00:43:48.700 I mean, who do you think it is that's going to be behind it?

00:43:50.160 Because they didn't come up with this idea all by themselves.

00:43:51.580 Oh, no, no, no.

00:43:51.960 There's a legal aid fund.

00:43:53.080 It's a left-wing legal aid fund that is being funded by...

00:43:55.480 Of course.

00:43:55.880 Obviously.

00:43:56.180 I just liked watching the guys on Martha's Vineyard quickly painting over their

00:43:59.580 in-this-house-we-believe signs, you know?

00:44:01.300 Yeah, the ones.

00:44:02.160 Keep out.

00:44:02.580 Keep out.

00:44:03.200 We meant.

00:44:03.660 Well, what they said was one of the Martha's Vineyard residents said that after they deported him,

00:44:07.720 you know, they called the military in to deport him to a military base.

00:44:10.440 They said, we were so happy they were here.

00:44:12.440 We were so happy to help them on their journey.

00:44:15.480 That's a good euphemism for deportation.

00:44:17.340 Maybe we can start using that.

00:44:18.740 Help them on their journey back to Mexico.

00:44:20.440 Did you see NBC News?

00:44:21.780 They had to delete the tweet, but they didn't delete the article.

00:44:24.200 They said that...

00:44:26.020 Oh, there it is.

00:44:26.580 There's the tweet.

00:44:27.020 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis sending asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard is like me taking

00:44:31.360 my trash out and driving to different areas where I live and just throwing my trash there.

00:44:36.920 Hey, did you hear what I called them?

00:44:38.260 I called them trash.

00:44:40.620 That's what they believe.

00:44:41.460 That's what they think of immigrants.

00:44:42.680 A foundation that helps refugees.

00:44:44.100 That's how that person sees them.

00:44:45.540 My favorite guy was Ken Burns, though.

00:44:47.900 I've always...

00:44:48.520 Ken Burns is always kind of stuck in my craw.

00:44:50.300 He's always getting this kind of, oh, this brilliant, the documentarian.

00:44:53.140 He's brilliant.

00:44:53.400 So he's just done a documentary on America's role in the Holocaust, which, by the way, was

00:44:57.120 basically zilch.

00:44:58.060 I mean, we don't have control over everything.

00:44:59.860 Fjard in the grave.

00:45:00.860 What's that?

00:45:01.380 Fjard in the grave.

00:45:02.380 No, but still.

00:45:04.020 So he's done this thing and it's getting brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

00:45:06.380 That's all it gets.

00:45:06.920 He's on CNN and a guy compares shipping these illegals to Martha's Vineyard to shipping Jews

00:45:14.140 to Auschwitz.

00:45:15.320 And Ken Burns nods and sort of picks up the idea and kind of goes with it.

00:45:18.860 And I thought, a man that shallow is essentially two-dimensional, you know?

00:45:24.200 I mean, no wonder he's working in film because film really only has two dimensions.

00:45:27.640 And I thought this guy should not be allowed to say anything.

00:45:31.380 The words Holocaust should not be allowed to come out of his mouth after saying that.

00:45:34.520 Because, I mean, you know, aside from the-

00:45:35.640 Don't you see the similarity?

00:45:36.600 Yeah, well-

00:45:37.300 They're exactly the same.

00:45:38.760 Exactly.

00:45:39.400 The golf courses are better on Martha's Vineyard, but you didn't need them in Auschwitz.

00:45:44.260 Also, all the people in Martha's Vineyard did was also put them in buses and ship them

00:45:49.560 away.

00:45:49.980 Yeah.

00:45:50.760 That's what the federal government does.

00:45:52.100 But when they do it, the federal government does.

00:45:53.920 That's right.

00:45:54.600 The federal government leaves the border wide open, basically begging people to cross the Rio

00:45:58.700 Grande and drown.

00:45:59.380 And how many migrants are dying every year of dehydration in the back of bands, are dying,

00:46:04.340 being washed away down the Rio Grande.

00:46:06.600 And meanwhile, we're told that Joe Biden, he can't be bothered.

00:46:09.020 You saw today that Joe Biden was asked about the fact that DeSantis has said that he's going

00:46:12.600 to ship some illegal immigrants up to Rehoboth, Delaware.

00:46:16.260 He's going to ship them up to Biden's vacation home, wherever it is.

00:46:19.740 And Biden was like, well, you know, the weather's real nice here this time of year.

00:46:23.220 It's like, well, I thought it was your job to take care of these people.

00:46:25.380 I thought this was your job.

00:46:26.760 That's right.

00:46:26.940 Eric Adams had a pretty wild exchange on Jake Tapper, where he was talking about how terrible

00:46:31.540 it is.

00:46:31.880 All these people are being shipped here.

00:46:32.780 And it's just so terrible.

00:46:33.480 And it's straining our social services system.

00:46:35.020 Because when you ship 11,000 illegal immigrants since May to a city of 8.5 million people,

00:46:39.660 that strains the social services system.

00:46:41.120 But it does not strain the social services system of Yuma, Arizona, population 97,000.

00:46:44.980 You have 100,000 people sent there every year.

00:46:47.040 I do.

00:46:47.180 That doesn't do anything.

00:46:48.140 And then Eric Adams is asked by Tapper, so would you say to Joe Biden that he needs

00:46:51.680 to get control of the board?

00:46:52.380 He's like, no.

00:46:53.180 No.

00:46:53.480 This is a humanitarian problem with the human cause.

00:46:55.560 He's like, well, is that human Joe Biden?

00:46:56.400 No.

00:46:57.120 No, it's not Joe Biden.

00:46:58.040 It has nothing to do it.

00:46:58.520 But the federal government should be left in charge of this issue.

00:47:00.860 I will say, when you're explaining, you're losing.

00:47:03.280 And the left has been explaining an awful lot on this particular issue.

00:47:05.580 I do have to say, I thought DeSantis, the guy's a boss.

00:47:09.180 I just love the guy at this point.

00:47:10.560 You know, I thought it was one of the great political moves of all time.

00:47:13.300 I do have a heart for these poor people.

00:47:15.560 You know, I hate to say this because Shapiro will kill me about it for weeks.

00:47:19.280 But I have a heart for these poor people who have gotten involved in the fact that our

00:47:23.200 politics has collapsed into absurdity.

00:47:26.080 You know?

00:47:26.540 So, I mean, DeSantis is doing absolutely nothing that the federal government hasn't done.

00:47:29.800 But at the same time, these people are being, you know, these poor, desperate people are being used.

00:47:32.780 I don't have the same heart.

00:47:34.000 What do you mean?

00:47:34.420 I mean, they're opting into this.

00:47:38.380 They're not taking them out of these South American cities and forcing them to come to

00:47:44.060 America and be dealt with like ping pong, political ping pong.

00:47:47.060 It's like they're opting into this.

00:47:48.420 No, but I'd opt into it.

00:47:49.720 Is that what they're opting into?

00:47:50.320 I would opt into it if I were them, too.

00:47:52.080 I mean, the truth is, America is a place that calls forth the dispossessed, right?

00:47:58.240 That's part of what we do.

00:47:59.140 The problem isn't even that we have open borders.

00:48:01.600 I mean, open borders is bad.

00:48:03.300 Unsecured borders is bad.

00:48:04.360 But America actually always has been incredibly pro-immigrant.

00:48:08.160 The problem is that in the second half of the 20th century, the left did away with the idea of the melting pot.

00:48:14.460 They did away with the idea that people need to assimilate into our.

00:48:17.620 There almost wasn't a distinction, though, for many.

00:48:19.920 You know what?

00:48:20.280 I'm the only one here that's married to an immigrant, right?

00:48:22.580 No.

00:48:22.820 Yeah.

00:48:22.940 Oh, crap.

00:48:24.800 And we're trying to deport him, too, by the way.

00:48:26.500 But there's a process.

00:48:27.300 There's a process.

00:48:28.200 And people don't realize how long that process takes.

00:48:30.740 Of course.

00:48:31.140 And so it's such an insult to just be like, well, you know, America is.

00:48:34.320 But the main reason that we have all these processes is because we've actually destroyed the thing that made America able to be the most open country to immigrants in all of history.

00:48:44.180 Which is the melting pot and individualism.

00:48:48.160 Once you have a welfare state and multiculturalism.

00:48:50.800 That's really the big one.

00:48:51.380 Now you have to close down these borders.

00:48:52.560 Well, I mean, it used to be that you left a place in Europe where you had, you know, whatever level of material well-being you had.

00:48:59.840 To go to a place that was a literal wilderness and there was nothing really here.

00:49:03.360 There wasn't a lot here.

00:49:04.380 And even if you're talking like early 20th century, for you, there really was still not a lot here.

00:49:08.680 You were arriving here dirt poor, not knowing the language.

00:49:10.900 So what that meant, and there was no welfare system.

00:49:12.720 So the basic idea was that maybe if you were lucky, you had some distant relatives who were here who would prop you up for a few months.

00:49:17.800 Well, you learned to stop speaking Yiddish and you started speaking English, which is exactly what happened with my relatives, you know, four generations ago.

00:49:23.420 And they came in 1907.

00:49:24.360 But the basic idea was that we were drawing the best, the most entrepreneurial, the people who are the most risk-seeking to the United States.

00:49:31.600 And there's still a lot of those people who I think want to get here.

00:49:33.920 But when you have a welfare state and basically the idea is you get here and we are going to provide you all of these fulsome benefits.

00:49:38.920 Of course it changes the math.

00:49:39.980 And that's not just in the United States.

00:49:40.940 That's interesting.

00:49:41.400 Why do you think a right-wing government just took it?

00:49:42.720 Yes, yes.

00:49:43.160 It took a seat in Sweden.

00:49:43.720 But why are we doing this?

00:49:44.840 I think that's kind of a question that is on a lot of people's minds is why is America doing this?

00:49:48.420 Because people keep saying, like, open borders, it's bad policy.

00:49:50.900 No, it's actually good policy for the left.

00:49:52.700 They're doing this intentionally.

00:49:53.340 Also, you know, today—

00:49:54.720 They predicted that when they got power, the first thing they were going to do was try to flood a bunch of illegal immigrants over it.

00:49:59.960 And they pretended that this was some wild conspiracy theory and it wasn't actually true.

00:50:04.420 Sounds like a great replacement theory to me.

00:50:06.680 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:50:07.240 You're going to get canceled for that.

00:50:08.240 This is crazy.

00:50:08.960 Well, I've been saying it forever.

00:50:10.560 They want to replace black Americans, right?

00:50:12.800 I think that what we're seeing and what has been shown is that obviously black Americans are the most impacted by this influx of illegal immigration.

00:50:20.200 And this was, by the way, policy work that was done under Obama to reveal that they were taking black American jobs.

00:50:26.120 This is not a conspiracy theory.

00:50:27.380 It was actually a congressional review that was done, a policy paper.

00:50:32.040 And when you talk about that, when you say, actually, I was saying this is black America like crazy, as soon as they get power, our vote is going to be irrelevant.

00:50:38.340 Right.

00:50:38.620 Because what they're going to want to do is they're going to suddenly say, which they have said this week, let's just give them all status immediately, right?

00:50:45.680 Which means this is going to turn these people into voters.

00:50:47.920 That's what they want.

00:50:48.540 They're telling you what they want to do.

00:50:50.460 And then again, and then that black American vote, which is so significant for the left, it's not going to be that significant because they're going to turn to them like it did to black America in the 1960s.

00:50:57.820 And they're going to offer them handouts.

00:50:58.980 They're going to offer them welfarism.

00:51:00.260 They're going to say, well, if you vote for us, what we're going to do is give you these handouts.

00:51:03.760 And these evil or backwards Republicans don't want that for you.

00:51:07.160 I mean, this is LBJ 2.0, the Great Society Act.

00:51:12.080 You know, to that point, I mean, that's a really excellent point.

00:51:16.240 But there is also this historical fact that for a lot of the early 20th century, we did kind of put a pause on immigration because there was so much and there wasn't enough assimilation.

00:51:26.900 We had a major milestone today, which is that today, year to date, we've had two million border apprehensions in the United States.

00:51:34.340 Apprehensions.

00:51:34.700 Those are just the ones we got.

00:51:35.820 OK, and it's only September.

00:51:37.000 So we've got a quarter of the year left.

00:51:39.100 That is an insane number.

00:51:40.720 That's border apprehensions.

00:51:41.960 Then you're going to have another million legal immigrants.

00:51:44.120 You're talking minimum three, three and a half.

00:51:45.840 Six, 700,000 gotaways.

00:51:47.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:48.200 And then and so when you look at the last 60 years of immigration, you're talking about the largest movement of people in recorded history.

00:51:55.220 I don't think it takes a bigoted, awful, racist country to say, hey, maybe that's a lot of people that you're actively not assimilating, by the way.

00:52:04.700 Well, you know, I think the point about Sweden, though, is really well taken because this is the most successful left wing socialist country.

00:52:12.500 They were completely liberal because they were all the same.

00:52:16.460 They all agreed on everything.

00:52:17.620 They could all handle the welfare because they all had responsibilities to one another.

00:52:20.700 Now they've let in all these basically Muslim people.

00:52:23.960 The crime has gone up.

00:52:25.020 People are worried about this.

00:52:25.920 They've elected really a right wing government with with some ties to to neo-Nazis.

00:52:31.620 And and the question, the thing that you always forget is that fascism is always a counterrevolution.

00:52:37.340 Almost historically, fascism has always been a counterrevolution.

00:52:40.200 So so it's these are the actions you take that lead to fascism in reaction to what I was recently reading.

00:52:46.340 No justification.

00:52:47.920 Yeah.

00:52:48.360 But an explanation.

00:52:48.940 No, no, exactly.

00:52:49.900 But it's a good.

00:52:50.800 Of course, but if you're looking at history and you wish to prevent fascism, you should stop pursuing policies that lead to a reaction that is fascist in nature.

00:52:57.440 You know, Neil Ferguson's book, The War of the World, I was recently reading that.

00:53:00.840 It's his history of essentially global politics from 1905 to 1953.

00:53:05.580 And he basically characterized World War One and Two as part of the same long war.

00:53:09.700 And he says when you're looking at global conflict, there's basically three major factors that lead to global conflict.

00:53:16.300 One is declining empire, because when you have declining empire, then you have rising nation states, rising nation states.

00:53:21.640 Empires tend to obliterate a lot of the ethnic distinctions that matter because you have a greater loyalty to, say, the Roman Empire than you do to your locality.

00:53:28.260 Or at the very least, they've delegated power down to the local level.

00:53:30.980 And so when those are replaced by nation states, what you end up with is some nation states that are very homogenous in terms of composition and some that are very heterogeneous.

00:53:37.200 And that's a real problem because then the slight majority in many of these states will start picking on the minorities in those particular states.

00:53:43.360 So he says ethnic conflict, decline of empire, economic uncertainty.

00:53:47.360 And, I mean, when you look at the state of the world today and you look at what the defining factor is going to be, whether the United States wishes to decline.

00:53:55.960 If the United States wishes to decline, there will be global conflict, period, end of story.

00:54:00.640 Because the fact is we are the only functional, quote unquote, empire on planet Earth, whether we want to call ourselves that or not.

00:54:05.700 And if we decline, somebody else is going to fill that vacuum.

00:54:07.720 What fills that vacuum is not going to be particularly not.

00:54:09.560 When we start celebrating immorality and we refuse to acknowledge mental illness, which is, to me, the biggest issue in America today, we no longer call mental illness mental illness.

00:54:18.380 In fact, we celebrate it.

00:54:19.580 We encourage mental illness.

00:54:21.260 And then we look at the end of the day and we say, well, I don't know why somebody walked into a school and shut off the school.

00:54:25.560 Look at the culture.

00:54:26.440 Look at American culture right now.

00:54:27.840 We are in a state of degeneracy.

00:54:29.840 And that is the truth.

00:54:30.740 There are degenerates everywhere.

00:54:32.580 And people don't like to use that word, but that's quite literally.

00:54:35.960 I spelled out the definition today on my show of what it means to be a degenerate.

00:54:39.540 And that's what's happening in American society today.

00:54:41.140 Did you name me?

00:54:42.180 That's not nice.

00:54:42.800 I didn't.

00:54:43.960 That's not nice.

00:54:44.620 And I wanted to comment on this earlier when we were talking about Queen Elizabeth.

00:54:47.520 Something that really stood out to me was this contrast of all of these pundits coming out and saying, oh, well, people have a right to criticize her.

00:54:54.560 Right?

00:54:54.740 Her history is complex.

00:54:56.220 Right?

00:54:56.420 It's complicated.

00:54:57.100 And they were willing to do that deep dive on someone like Queen Elizabeth, which we might agree with.

00:55:01.140 Right?

00:55:01.320 But who were they not willing to do that for?

00:55:03.140 The same people, and I checked their tweets because I wanted to cover it on my show, that said she's a complicated figure and let's go into her history, did not want to do that for George Floyd.

00:55:10.440 Right?

00:55:10.840 It was an act of racism to do that against George Floyd.

00:55:13.060 He was not a complicated person at all, according to them.

00:55:16.880 In fact, one of them actually tweeted that he better get time person of the year.

00:55:20.640 Right?

00:55:21.280 So when we're in a society where Queen Elizabeth is complicated and we should not be celebrating her at all or honoring her life, rather, and George Floyd is not a complicated figure, we're in very bad times.

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00:57:00.640 Speaking of boudoir, I want to talk about the new Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon.

00:57:07.180 Is everybody watching the show?

00:57:08.420 Yes.

00:57:08.920 I'm one episode back.

00:57:10.540 I'm one episode back as well.

00:57:12.080 I've seen them all, so I want spoiler alert.

00:57:14.520 Spoiler alert.

00:57:15.500 Can I just...

00:57:16.000 For you two, we're not waiting.

00:57:16.760 Spoiler for both of you.

00:57:17.340 Yeah, we're not waiting.

00:57:18.180 Do it.

00:57:19.100 Do it.

00:57:19.780 I want to hear it.

00:57:20.560 I just don't know.

00:57:23.140 This last episode, I just felt suddenly we got into woke territory.

00:57:27.260 Like, there was just like the interracial relationship in, you know, England plus the gay couple plus.

00:57:34.480 I was just like, okay, where are we going here?

00:57:36.740 Is this going to be one episode?

00:57:37.740 And by the way, all of that backlash when they were saying, oh, it's racist because of this.

00:57:43.180 It's like, no, it's just not realistic.

00:57:44.560 I don't care.

00:57:45.620 It's like watching a show that's supposed to be about Africa in 1820 and seeing, you know, a white person.

00:57:52.180 You know, it's just, I just want shows to be realistic.

00:57:54.400 And suddenly, it's not allowed anymore, I guess.

00:57:57.260 Well, that reminds me of The Little Mermaid.

00:58:01.620 Can I make that transition?

00:58:03.280 Perfect segue.

00:58:03.880 The greatest thing that happened on the internet in 2022.

00:58:06.800 Matt Walsh's Little Mermaid commentary.

00:58:08.960 Yeah.

00:58:09.740 Yeah.

00:58:11.320 Okay, so we're going to talk about that?

00:58:12.360 Yeah, we're talking about it.

00:58:13.280 Good.

00:58:13.360 That was a hard segue.

00:58:14.900 I liked it.

00:58:16.060 It wasn't a segue.

00:58:16.920 It was just like changing the subject.

00:58:18.800 It's not like I had something important I wanted to say about it.

00:58:22.200 For anyone who isn't familiar, so they've got this, of course, the Disney films are going through and just remaking.

00:58:27.640 They're doing the live action version of every cartoon.

00:58:30.660 And so they're doing The Little Mermaid, but it's with the black mermaid who somehow still has red hair, but they don't explain that.

00:58:38.380 And so I happen to mention on my show, which is a scientific fact, that in reality, if there was a real mermaid living at the bottom of the ocean, because she does live at the bottom of the ocean.

00:58:48.140 And we agree.

00:58:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:49.440 Right.

00:58:50.980 Under the sea, some might say.

00:58:52.080 Under the sea.

00:58:52.740 I mean, she lives at the bottom of the ocean.

00:58:54.240 Let's be precise.

00:58:55.140 Under the sea.

00:58:55.700 Okay, right.

00:58:56.500 Not a lot of sunlight.

00:58:57.520 Right, so what that tells me is that she's not going to have dark skin.

00:59:02.020 She's going to have, basically be translucent.

00:59:04.040 You look at one of these deep sea fish, and this is the point I've had on the show.

00:59:08.000 They're translucent.

00:59:09.060 Possibly bioluminescent.

00:59:10.500 Right, right.

00:59:11.220 Maybe they glow in the dark, but they're skeletal.

00:59:12.940 Or those little lights.

00:59:14.260 They've got one of those things on the head.

00:59:15.480 And it would be, if you saw one, really, if you would want to marry it, like the guy does in the film, you would be horrified.

00:59:21.680 And so that's the point I tried to make.

00:59:23.500 Yeah.

00:59:23.800 A scientifically accurate trend.

00:59:25.460 What bothers you?

00:59:26.320 Translucent mermaids matter.

00:59:27.220 Translucent mermaids matter.

00:59:28.360 Right.

00:59:28.560 I was advocating for translucent mermaids, and Media Matters takes it, and they clip it, and they post it, and they accuse me of racism because I advocated for translucent rights.

00:59:39.120 Basically, I'm a translucent supremacist, I suppose.

00:59:42.900 And the left just ran with it.

00:59:45.060 And the great thing is that I did briefly try to explain that I was joking.

00:59:49.820 I maybe sent one tweet.

00:59:50.880 This is their dumbest.

00:59:51.340 Right.

00:59:51.820 I sent one tweet, and I'm like, you know, that was a joke, guys.

00:59:54.200 And all of them said, well, now you're backpedaling.

00:59:56.380 You think I wasn't joking when I said the mermaid should be translucent.

01:00:01.500 But then after that, you realize.

01:00:02.500 You should see her skeleton, you said.

01:00:04.500 What I love about.

01:00:05.700 What I love.

01:00:06.000 Try reading the lyrics to WAP sometime.

01:00:08.100 Oh, yeah.

01:00:08.580 Okay.

01:00:08.760 You will not be allowed to joke.

01:00:11.000 No sense of humor.

01:00:11.960 It's a 15-minute comedy segment, and the left is like, Ben Shapiro offended desperately by WAP.

01:00:17.480 It's like, this is one of their games.

01:00:19.620 They have many games.

01:00:20.680 One of their games is, what we're doing is good, and if you notice, you're bad.

01:00:25.280 And it's good that we're doing it, but we're not doing it, but we are doing it.

01:00:27.160 Right?

01:00:27.340 That's one of their favorite games.

01:00:28.060 The other one is, you're joking, and we know that you're joking, but we're going to pretend you're not joking so that we can say that what you seriously mean is that there should only be a white little mermaid.

01:00:36.520 That's why you got to—I learned this lesson in the past.

01:00:39.540 I had to relearn it again briefly, but you have to just lean into it, which is why the next day on my show, I said, you know what?

01:00:45.340 I'm going to open my show and do a 15-minute monologue advocating for a translucent mermaid, and so that's how I opened the show.

01:00:52.780 I spent 15 minutes arguing for translucent mermaids because it's like, you know what?

01:00:56.160 They're underrepresented.

01:00:57.180 By the way—

01:00:57.520 No, but underrepresentation, by the way, if we want to get into it, redheads.

01:01:00.800 I couldn't believe this.

01:01:02.060 Like, redheads are actually the one mermaid that's a redhead.

01:01:05.260 Like, I mean, I graduated with tons of black girls.

01:01:07.280 I didn't graduate with any redheads.

01:01:08.860 I just want to say that.

01:01:09.660 But there also is a—even though it's funny with the translucent stuff, there is a valid point to be made about the racial representation in casting.

01:01:19.020 Obviously, there's a ridiculous double standard.

01:01:22.340 We know that, you know, if you take even a fictional character who is canonically black, change it to white, or even just, like, not black enough.

01:01:30.380 I mean, they did a live-action version of Aladdin, and some of the characters, they were all brown, but they weren't brown enough, a few of them.

01:01:36.780 And that was a controversy.

01:01:38.100 They did this with West Side Story.

01:01:39.200 It was—some of the actresses weren't Latina enough.

01:01:41.440 Or, most recently, James Franco playing Fidel Castro, and you've got even Hispanic actors in Hollywood saying they're going to boycott it because—

01:01:50.460 even though, actually, James Franco and Fidel Castro actually share some—

01:01:52.940 I mean, I felt with Hamilton, they weren't black enough.

01:01:56.060 No, they could have been black enough.

01:01:57.660 By the way, I mean, you're right in this—like, I said this on the show.

01:02:01.060 I mean, The Little Mermaid was written by Hans Christian Andersen.

01:02:03.800 It is rooted in European mythology, right?

01:02:06.600 It is.

01:02:06.920 I mean, like, if you did the same thing about a traditional African myth written by an African author, and then you made the character a blonde white lady—

01:02:14.820 Same for House of Dragons.

01:02:16.660 It's rooted in giving you the ball.

01:02:18.240 Knock it out.

01:02:18.820 Yes.

01:02:19.280 There you go.

01:02:19.680 I do want to say, though—

01:02:21.280 He doesn't want to talk about that.

01:02:22.180 He wants to talk about the porn.

01:02:23.180 I actually do want to say something about Media Matters.

01:02:26.680 Media Matters has made an art out of their fake news.

01:02:30.740 I mean, they are truly fake news.

01:02:32.580 Like, people always accuse us of two things, clickbaity headlines and fake news.

01:02:36.820 Media Matters now, for the last two years, will take a clip of something we say.

01:02:41.640 Yep.

01:02:41.780 They will excise the whole clip with context.

01:02:45.020 The clip that they posted of you had the whole translucent joke in it.

01:02:48.720 But then they write a clickbait headline, which omits all of the context.

01:02:54.800 Ellipses are their best friend.

01:02:55.720 Mm-hmm.

01:02:56.400 This allows them to get a lot of clicks, saying something—attributing to you a view that

01:03:03.000 you don't even hold, start up the left-wing rage machine.

01:03:06.820 They know that people won't watch the video and get the context, but they'll actually,

01:03:11.080 because a video is linked, it adds credibility to the story.

01:03:14.540 Yeah.

01:03:14.680 So all the left-wing blue checks who start hitting you,

01:03:17.080 you're so stupid you think that a fictional mermaid can't be black, which wasn't even the

01:03:21.800 point—I mean, you were making a joke.

01:03:22.920 But every one of those people both didn't watch the clip and felt that the story must

01:03:29.300 be credible because of the presence of a clip, and Media Matters continues the grift,

01:03:34.560 which is a very profitable grift for us—thank you guys, glad you're watching—of clickbaits

01:03:39.700 and fake news, and no one will ever help them out.

01:03:41.700 And it filters through, then, the media, because then you have the follow-up headlines.

01:03:46.520 And I read a couple of them.

01:03:48.300 It's always fun to read the stories, like telling the story of what you did and comparing

01:03:52.900 it to what actually happened.

01:03:53.940 So I'm reading some of these stories saying, Matt Walsh had a meltdown over black mermaids,

01:03:59.140 a meltdown.

01:03:59.840 I talked about it for two minutes, and I heard a chair through a window.

01:04:02.560 When have I ever had a meltdown about anything, first of all?

01:04:04.340 I have no emotion.

01:04:04.920 Have you been sincere?

01:04:06.380 Let's just say for a second, you are making an actual point about actual mermaids that

01:04:10.180 you actually believe in, okay?

01:04:11.720 Which many blue checks accused you of.

01:04:13.920 And which Michael believes in.

01:04:15.080 He told us just before the show started.

01:04:16.240 So, listen, all I'm saying is, all I'm saying, Christopher Columbus on his maiden voyage

01:04:21.100 saw three mermaids.

01:04:22.980 There have been, John Cook saw mermaids.

01:04:24.840 There have been eyewitness accounts of mermaids.

01:04:25.560 What race were there is the question.

01:04:27.400 Well, actually, probably black, because they were probably manatees.

01:04:30.420 But I'm just putting that aside for a second.

01:04:32.580 All I want to point out is, believing in mermaids is way more reasonable than a lot of the stuff

01:04:39.420 the lives believe in, including transgenderism and the idea that the COVID vaccines prevent

01:04:43.720 infection and transmission.

01:04:43.840 Can I say one thing about Disney, and then we can get to your Game of Thrones thing?

01:04:46.580 Yes.

01:04:46.920 There is something fascinating about what Disney's new strategy is for marketing.

01:04:50.200 Yep.

01:04:50.440 Because what they have decided to do, and they're doing this in all of the remakes of their

01:04:53.080 animated films, is they're taking IP that you know and identify from when you are a child,

01:04:56.680 and they've decided that they are just going to troll the audience for headlines.

01:05:00.760 And then the idea is you're not racist if you paused for a second.

01:05:04.380 If you saw the Little Mermaid trailer, and you're like, wait, that doesn't look like Ariel from

01:05:07.000 the animated movie.

01:05:07.680 That looks very different.

01:05:08.380 If you say that, that much, like, because you're a racist, you're not colorblind, are

01:05:12.580 you?

01:05:12.920 Right?

01:05:13.220 They make a big deal out of casting somebody who does not look like Ariel.

01:05:15.900 Listen, that was maybe the most popular movie in America in 1989 to 1989.

01:05:20.660 Between that and Beauty and the Beast, these were like the two most popular movies of everybody's

01:05:25.340 childhood.

01:05:26.460 The actresses in these movies, you would think, would look like the intellectual property in

01:05:30.800 the movies, and then they changed it.

01:05:32.440 And so the idea is that if you notice that, you're like, oh, that's kind of strange.

01:05:35.560 You're not even like, I'm against it, or I hate it.

01:05:37.220 You're just like, that doesn't look like what the movie looked like.

01:05:39.240 Like, it would be weird if Pocahontas was played by Elizabeth Warren.

01:05:40.960 It would be objectively weird, right?

01:05:42.580 And it's true.

01:05:43.080 They do that because it's like what you always say.

01:05:44.740 They want you to react, and then when you react, they call you a racist.

01:05:47.040 Why are you noticing?

01:05:48.220 Why are you noticing?

01:05:48.800 Because it's weird.

01:05:50.220 Even if you don't react, because before the whole translucent mermaid debacle, prior to

01:05:55.060 that, actually, nobody was actually talking about the race of the mermaid.

01:05:58.860 The Daily Beast, a day before, they had an article saying that race, I forget the exact

01:06:03.500 phrase, but racists were, the racism, the racist backlash against the little mermaid

01:06:07.920 is out of control, they said the headline.

01:06:09.620 And then I, because I read the article.

01:06:11.580 How dare you?

01:06:11.960 And I thought, okay, they're going to pull a few tweets of people complaining about the

01:06:14.860 black mermaid.

01:06:16.120 Nothing.

01:06:16.700 They had zero examples of anyone even mentioning the race.

01:06:19.800 Instead, what they cited were tweets of people complaining that the underwater scenes didn't

01:06:24.160 look realistic enough.

01:06:24.920 The CGI wasn't very good.

01:06:26.300 And so, as the Daily Beast writer just editorializes and says, well, they're complaining about the

01:06:30.120 CGI, but really, it's because they're racist.

01:06:32.340 What I want to know is, why doesn't she have a seashell bra?

01:06:35.040 It's totally inappropriate.

01:06:36.420 Yes.

01:06:37.260 Okay.

01:06:37.900 So, the porn in Game of Thrones.

01:06:39.880 That's what I actually want to talk about.

01:06:42.160 Hollywood, have you guys noticed, having seen all the episodes now, in the first episode

01:06:46.540 and in the third episode, lots of nudity?

01:06:48.640 I mean, that third or fourth episode, it's about as much nudity as.

01:06:51.560 Fourth episode is like 20 minutes of nudity.

01:06:53.000 About as much nudity as you've ever seen in a show.

01:06:55.120 Yes, I got a story.

01:06:55.780 In the episode, both of the main female characters also have a sex scene.

01:07:01.480 Right.

01:07:02.380 Neither one of them.

01:07:03.500 Yes, I noticed.

01:07:04.040 Neither one of them is exposed.

01:07:05.560 Yep.

01:07:06.320 Neither, they're naked but obscured.

01:07:08.400 They're not, so Hollywood has determined in the Time's Up Me Too era that they will know,

01:07:15.060 so all the nudity is essentially non-speaking background actors.

01:07:19.340 Hollywood has decided in the Me Too, post-Me Too era, that they will no longer exploit actresses

01:07:25.260 except the ones that make $200 a day.

01:07:27.880 Except the ones that don't have the power to stop them.

01:07:29.360 It's unbelievable.

01:07:31.160 Wow.

01:07:31.420 They are actively only exploiting the actresses who have no power.

01:07:36.540 And I have to say, as someone who loves a good nude scene, it did occur to me after

01:07:40.640 a while that really a woman should not have to take off her shirt to be an actress.

01:07:44.580 You really should not.

01:07:45.840 That shouldn't be a requirement.

01:07:47.820 You know?

01:07:48.260 Have you seen that video?

01:07:49.480 It was a very funny YouTube video of a woman and she's calling her parents and says,

01:07:53.140 Mom, you know, I just got cast in this movie and I'm going to be naked.

01:07:56.540 I'm going to be having sex with two dudes on screen.

01:07:58.820 And the mother's horrified and she's like, and it's on HBO and mom's like, congratulations!

01:08:02.800 You know what was about this though?

01:08:05.640 Bye Bye Birdie.

01:08:06.600 Have you ever gone back and watched the real Bye Bye Birdie?

01:08:09.000 It's all about the fact, it's all about the corruption of America by show business.

01:08:12.240 It's actually got a very serious point.

01:08:13.940 This whole thing about we're going to be on Ed Sullivan, so I don't care if they use my

01:08:17.560 daughter as a sex object because we're going to be on Ed Sullivan.

01:08:21.320 It's kind of prophetic.

01:08:23.640 Well, I will say that women do objectify themselves and this has kind of been something that I've

01:08:27.540 been being the drum about and obviously we notably got into the discussion about our

01:08:31.000 culture's desensitization to porn.

01:08:33.420 Like my husband does not have social media.

01:08:36.200 He's not on Instagram.

01:08:37.620 He's not on even Twitter.

01:08:39.280 But he says everything is porn.

01:08:40.720 We just don't realize it.

01:08:41.700 So when you open Instagram, it's just girls with their butts in your faces, their boobs

01:08:45.440 in your faces, and it's these same women that will cry out and use the hashtag Me Too

01:08:48.420 in Time's Up.

01:08:49.520 And it's like, you want men to treat you with more respect than you treat yourselves.

01:08:52.860 And I talked a little bit about on my show to say it's five days a week.

01:08:55.300 Can't sell it five days a week.

01:08:56.300 But you're seeing more and more of that where people somehow separate themselves like their

01:09:02.120 virtual character.

01:09:03.160 It's almost like a game.

01:09:03.960 Like it's like an avatar.

01:09:04.900 They're like, oh, well, it's totally fine that I'm online and I have my boobs out and

01:09:08.180 my breasts out, but I really can't stand to see that men are objectifying women in society.

01:09:12.140 We've lost respect for ourselves.

01:09:13.920 And yet we think that we can then demand respect in other fields and in other categories.

01:09:18.260 I don't think it really works.

01:09:19.420 You know what?

01:09:19.760 I was just going back through and I was turned on to this by Edmund Smirk, one of my favorite

01:09:23.880 pseudonymous Twitter accounts, that there was a clip of Catherine McKinnon, a radical

01:09:27.500 feminist from 1993.

01:09:29.160 And she's arguing with conservatives and she's saying, you guys are too weak on porn.

01:09:34.040 And she says, you know, if you were sitting in a room and you heard a lady get knocked

01:09:37.500 around the walls in the other room, you would run out your door.

01:09:40.440 You'd knock down.

01:09:41.140 You might call the police.

01:09:42.180 But because you're seeing it on a screen or you're reading it in a newspaper or not a

01:09:46.440 newspaper, in a magazine, you think it's totally fine.

01:09:49.280 And it's this separation because it seems disembodied because we're living in this virtual

01:09:53.140 world.

01:09:53.420 That's right.

01:09:53.580 The virtual world.

01:09:54.480 But the things you do in the virtual world have moral qualities as well.

01:09:58.580 You are still doing them, even if you're doing them in the quiet of your room with the

01:10:02.440 blinds down.

01:10:03.140 This is one of the big arguments against feminism from the left when it started out.

01:10:07.120 Guys like Norman Mailer were saying they're going to bring back the Victorian, ultimately

01:10:11.340 going to bring back the Victorian era.

01:10:12.960 I remember even as a kid thinking, would that be bad?

01:10:15.400 Is that really a bad thing?

01:10:17.220 Yeah.

01:10:17.480 No, because, of course, you're absolutely right about this.

01:10:20.300 One of the things, one of the reasons the culture is in such a slump is because no one

01:10:23.380 can define what a good man is.

01:10:25.320 And it's almost impossible to define what a good man is if you can't define what a good

01:10:28.840 woman is.

01:10:29.280 And if you define what a good woman is, you're violated.

01:10:31.160 Or what a woman is at all.

01:10:33.920 But certainly what a good one is.

01:10:35.420 And if you define what a good woman is, you have violated a very, very central tenet of

01:10:40.500 the law.

01:10:40.580 I noticed that on Daily Wire when we did the live at the Ryman Center, a lot of the comments

01:10:44.680 were, they really wanted us to kind of expand on the marriage discussion and what makes for

01:10:48.480 a good marriage.

01:10:49.460 And in going back to this idea of what a good woman is, I was covering today, and it's

01:10:54.240 rather innocuous, but Emma Rotchikowski is getting divorced, right?

01:10:57.280 And she's sort of gloriously leaked to the press that it's because her husband has cheated

01:11:01.800 on her, right?

01:11:02.660 You know, Emily, is it Emily Rotchikowski, you know, she's naked all the time.

01:11:08.000 I mean, for bizarre things, like she's like, I'm protesting Brett Kavanaugh, my top's off.

01:11:11.040 Why?

01:11:11.400 Nobody knows, right?

01:11:12.100 Nobody knows.

01:11:12.560 But we've seen her naked a million times.

01:11:13.920 One of my favorite actresses.

01:11:15.780 Since she appeared on the scene in Blurred Lines, Robin Fick's video, which was just full

01:11:20.000 pornography.

01:11:20.420 And it's amazing to me that she, you know, calls him a dog or somebody anonymous has said

01:11:26.000 he's a complete dog and he cheated on her and she moved out.

01:11:28.340 And I thought to myself, have you not been cheating on him?

01:11:31.280 Is your virtual character somehow different?

01:11:33.940 You are quite literally, would you do this in the real world, right?

01:11:36.640 You're online, you've got your boobs out, you've got your butt out.

01:11:39.400 Would you in the real world sit in a room full of men and put your boobs out and put your

01:11:42.900 butt out?

01:11:43.280 But there seems to be this mental detachment for women where they go, I know that I can

01:11:47.280 be this tremendous act of infidelity in the universe of being online on Instagram and

01:11:51.920 on Facebook is okay.

01:11:52.920 It's not.

01:11:53.920 You cheated on him and he cheated on you.

01:11:56.280 I think once you sat nude on Ben Affleck's lap, I think you've cheated on your husband.

01:12:00.700 It is fairly incredible how self-centered a society we've become when the entire pornography

01:12:05.700 industry, which of course is based on the male sex drive.

01:12:08.020 The idea is that women will participate in this and then they will be offended that the male

01:12:12.720 sex drive exists at the same time.

01:12:14.340 So the idea is that just as when it comes to transgenderism, a person must be validated

01:12:20.140 by you, right?

01:12:21.140 My vision of myself must be validated by you.

01:12:23.240 Now women will pose nude.

01:12:25.380 And if a man objectifies the nude woman, which is what men have done throughout human history

01:12:31.320 when they see a nude woman, actually, which was originally the purpose of nudity.

01:12:35.080 When that happens, then women get very offended.

01:12:38.600 The male sex drive?

01:12:39.800 No, you're supposed to see me as I see me, liberated and free.

01:12:42.720 And it's like, well, no, you're making money off the fact that the male sex drive exists,

01:12:46.640 but then you're objecting to it existing because you wish that it existed in the way that you

01:12:50.720 see the male sex drive, which is utterly self-centered.

01:12:53.280 It's not seeing yourself outside yourself at all.

01:12:55.040 You're not looking at who's the actual client, who's the paying customer on the other end.

01:12:59.780 It's just I see my own freedom when I bear my breasts on TV.

01:13:03.220 But if a man objectifies me and he sees me only as a sex dog, then I'm very upset about this.

01:13:08.800 There is this, I mean, we were talking about this before, but there is this big strain of reaction,

01:13:12.900 even on the left, of women saying, you know, I'm kind of miserable in this world.

01:13:16.920 I'm kind of miserable treating myself and having other people treat me like this.

01:13:20.220 And guys, you know, guys want to do things to me that I don't want them to do.

01:13:23.020 And people tell me, well, now I'm not being sex positive.

01:13:25.400 I mean, there is this kind of, you know, it is, there's this terrible headline.

01:13:30.240 I keep saying that in spite of feminism, women are miserable.

01:13:34.080 Of course.

01:13:34.960 What could be more enslaving than thinking that you have to take your clothes off to be heard?

01:13:41.780 Like you could just comment on Brett Kavanaugh, but instead you have to take your top off because

01:13:45.580 no one takes you seriously.

01:13:46.560 And you know that you don't take yourself seriously.

01:13:49.200 It's all the joke.

01:13:50.580 It is all the joke from arrested development.

01:13:53.640 My eyes are up here, Michael, right?

01:13:55.700 You've got the gal who is so obviously putting her breasts in, in Michael's face.

01:13:59.760 And then he doesn't look, but she wants him to look so bad.

01:14:03.780 She repudiates him anyway.

01:14:04.640 My eyes are up here.

01:14:05.820 That's the whole thing.

01:14:06.740 There's a great video that was going around of this woman.

01:14:09.360 She's a conservative and she was, she's wearing a 1950s housewife outfit.

01:14:13.300 And then she's also wearing like the 2022 blue haired MSNBC glasses outfit.

01:14:18.120 And she's talking.

01:14:18.920 It's supposed to be a conversation across time.

01:14:20.540 And the 50s housewife is like, so how's the future?

01:14:22.560 Are you, are you doing well?

01:14:23.860 And she's like, yeah, everything's amazing over here.

01:14:26.600 The 50s housewife, so do you have any kids?

01:14:28.140 She's like, no, I have no kids, but I have three cats.

01:14:30.220 She's like, but you have an amazing boyfriend.

01:14:31.280 She's like, no, I have no boyfriend, but I can have sex with whoever I want.

01:14:34.080 She's like, that sounds terrible.

01:14:35.320 Are you happy?

01:14:36.200 She's like, well, I don't have kids.

01:14:37.500 I could take a magic pill that gets rid of the kids or I could just abort the kids.

01:14:40.220 And she's like, well, yeah, but, but is this in the end, is this making you feel

01:14:43.220 more happy?

01:14:43.620 She's like, well, I do have a pill that makes me happy.

01:14:47.200 It's a sad satirical stab at the state of things today.

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