The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： Red Pillers are Wrong. Marriage is Good.

00:00:00.000 Hey, Michael Knowles here. The latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage Red Pillars Are Wrong,

00:00:04.440 Marriage is Good is available now. Join me, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh, Candace Owens,

00:00:09.000 and finally, Jeremy the God King Boring for his glorious return. Enjoy as we discuss everything

00:00:15.160 from the world's number one rapper to the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey romance of the ages

00:00:19.800 to why the red pill movement is wrong about marriage. Take a listen.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to the Daily Wire Backstage. I'm Jeremy Boring, joined by Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles,

00:00:53.760 Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan, and Candace Owens. I'm your host. You may not remember me. I've been gone

00:00:58.740 many a minute. It's actually been one year, I think, since the last time that I got to do a

00:01:04.700 backstage. In my absence, they tried it a few times with the God Prince, Michael Knowles. You can't

00:01:08.720 keep that. He's your son. I regret saying it. It didn't go well, so they just canceled the whole

00:01:14.460 damn thing until I got to come back. We're going to do things a little bit different,

00:01:19.700 and by a little bit different, I mean kind of the way we used to do them. I think when the show

00:01:22.780 first got started, it was a really special part of what we did at the Daily Wire, part of what made

00:01:27.500 the Daily Wire unique was that we could have these conversations once a month, and they would cover

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00:01:47.140 day. I'm not saying we won't talk about the news, only that I want the occasion of us all coming

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00:02:02.600 of your when Andrew Klavan was, well, already very, very old. It was just me and Ben yelling at each

00:02:09.660 other. I remember those days. What's changed? It was great, yeah. Actually, the very first ones,

00:02:14.180 you guys agreed all the time, and then came the election of 2016, and that's probably why we turned

00:02:19.720 it into a new show. Which we're redoing now, by the way. The election of 2016. We're just back in

00:02:24.160 the election of 2016. It's like being in hell. It just keeps coming back again. It's the Hotel

00:02:28.040 California of election cycles. We are going to take questions from our Daily Wire Plus members. You can

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00:02:41.440 live for everyone, but we're going to hear exclusively from our Daily Wire Plus members, and a lot's

00:02:47.720 happened since I was gone. Obviously, my little daughter started using the potty. Drew went to a

00:02:54.680 once-a-week show. Michael launched a cigar brand. It smells delicious. Matt, well, just continued to

00:03:02.560 devolve into paranoid insanity about extraterrestrials occupying the earth. Candace had a kid. Lots of

00:03:10.400 things have changed. Ben never changes. He's just been. I mean, I am the number one rapper in America.

00:03:15.300 I was going out of my way not to say that. I know you were. I was going to let

00:03:17.680 that just lie. Dr. Dreidel sitting right next to me. It's over. The magic is over, guys.

00:03:21.740 I am retired from my chosen. Today, today, Billboard put out that it was the number one rap,

00:03:28.200 the number one selling rap song. And R&B. And R&B. To Billboard number one. To Billboard number one.

00:03:32.680 Because that is my chosen. And number 16. And number 16 on the Hot 100. I think legitimately you owe as

00:03:40.320 much to Tim Poole as. Oh, for sure. As to Tom McDonald. I mean, it's been. It's been. Well, to be fair to Tom,

00:03:46.320 I mean, Tom put the whole thing together. But it's been Poole's dream from day one to see anyone

00:03:50.380 on the right chart. And I feel like he had his best week, even though it wasn't his song. I had my

00:03:56.140 worst week because Tim tried this a month ago with Smokey Mike and the God King song, and we did not

00:04:01.760 chart. Yet. Yet. Well, I mean, that's because you guys played actual music, whereas I talked into a

00:04:09.640 camera briefly. Yeah. And yeah. It's a yarmulke, homie, no cap. It's a great line. And the, you live

00:04:17.640 with your parents, I make stacks on compound interest. Okay, so here's the reality behind this

00:04:22.260 particular story. The compound interest line, I absolutely insisted on being in the song. It's

00:04:27.160 great. I said, I'm not going to even be in this unless I get to drop compound. Originally, my original

00:04:31.240 lyric had EBITDA in there as well. And Tom was like, no, it's too much. The, the, uh. Did you write

00:04:37.180 your section? I mean, it's, is that your content? It's, it's a collab. So I did, I did write the

00:04:41.820 compound interest line. Uh, the, uh, dog, it's a yarmulke, homie, no cap is Tom. Really? Yes.

00:04:46.200 That's a good line. Which is a great line. It's a good line. Who came up with Dr. Dreidel? Because

00:04:49.780 I thought that was so funny. I texted you to say how funny it was. Walked out of my office and fell

00:04:54.540 down a flight of stairs. Absolutely true. I did. You barely survived. I barely survived. Yeah. I was,

00:04:59.380 I was actually. Death can't take this, man. You know, if you, if you want to know what I look like

00:05:02.920 falling down a flight of stairs, true. Go on YouTube and type in fell down a flight of stairs

00:05:07.140 to his death and an animation will come up showing exactly what I look like. But that

00:05:12.220 was right after I texted you how funny I thought that was. I mean, there were a bunch of them,

00:05:15.200 right? I mean, there was. Yeah. Was Dr. Dreidel terrible quality memes? It might have been.

00:05:21.240 Yeah. Yeah. It was not original to me. Jupac was good. The one I take credit for was Meshug

00:05:26.460 Knight, which I felt was. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Thank you. It would play it a

00:05:31.040 little softer, but there were, there were a lot. I will say you, you stayed on beat pretty

00:05:35.860 well. So I was impressed. You were autotune. So, I mean, to, to be, there was no melody.

00:05:41.520 There's a beat. There's a melody. I just wasn't part of the melody. That was part of what Tom

00:05:44.840 was doing. But I mean, this is what my parents paid for 15 years of classical music training

00:05:50.120 for was that I wouldn't clap on one in three. That's pretty much it. And that was my entire

00:05:54.700 shtick was, can I, can I talk to a beat? And the answer is yes, because I can bow to a beat.

00:05:59.840 Slower than you talk in real life? Much slower. Can I suggest something? What I, I think the next

00:06:03.980 challenge, what I would love to see is play classical music and make that chart. And I'm

00:06:09.840 serious about it. I, I, so I would love to do that. I would love to do that. I need,

00:06:13.660 Are there classical music charts? There are. And so my guess is actually would be super

00:06:17.300 easy to chart on the classical music piece. Make a classical music piece, the number one

00:06:20.860 billboard. No, you make a classical music piece. On banjo. I do not. It's time for our collab,

00:06:25.760 Matt. Bring out the banjo. We'll do country. We'll do bluegrass. I mean, I think it could

00:06:30.040 happen. I think it could work. I wrote a song with my best friend about this girl who we were

00:06:34.040 both in love with in college, uh, called the queen of 2d town. And the whole chorus has a very

00:06:40.700 esoteric steely Dan line about clapping on one in three and no human on earth other than you would

00:06:45.940 appreciate it. Well, thank you for telling me. I'm going to, I'm going to find it. Yeah. I'm

00:06:48.940 going to find it. Send it to you. I don't know. I pretended I know what that means, but I don't.

00:06:52.560 They're typically in four or four time. There are four beats to a bar. If you clap on two and four,

00:06:56.460 that's the syncopated rhythm. So typically if you're listening to rap or jazz,

00:06:59.140 you're going to get the two and the four, right? Right. That's, that's one, two, three,

00:07:03.260 four, right? That's two and four. If you clap on one and three, it sounds like this one, two,

00:07:07.240 three, four, which is very square. But if you play, but if you play live music anywhere in America

00:07:12.100 today, and you'll see this after I tell you this, you'll, you'll witness this. Every musician alive

00:07:17.920 fights constantly with their audience, trying to get them to clap on two and four, because the natural

00:07:23.480 thing for a human is to do the uncool thing and clap on one and three. So any, anyone doesn't

00:07:29.520 matter the genre. White people parodically dance. It's because they're clapping. This is the introduction

00:07:34.000 to the jerk with Steve Martin. Yes. That's exactly right. Where he has to clap on one and three.

00:07:37.960 He has to clap on one and three. And so this brings. He wanted esoterica to start the show. Yeah.

00:07:41.900 Well, I said it was going to be a different show. This brings me to the next thing that I wanted to

00:07:45.300 talk about, which is, this is a true thing that happened to me while I was overseas in Hungary.

00:07:48.920 I discovered Taylor Swift. And I discovered Taylor Swift on account of my young daughter

00:07:55.340 discovered the movie Sing, which has the greatest soundtrack probably of any movie ever made.

00:08:00.500 And these two little pigs sing Shake It Off. And I thought that is a, that is a surprisingly

00:08:07.120 catchy tune. I wonder from whence it came. And I Googled as much and was led to this young

00:08:12.900 artist named Taylor Swift. And I watched her music video and by golly, I think she's going

00:08:18.020 places. You know, she, she, this is honest against truth. I thought of Candace when I

00:08:23.440 watched it because some people just have it. The, the thing that can only be described

00:08:30.600 as it. And no one in this room other than Candace has it. Candace has quite a healthy dose

00:08:36.940 of it. You've never heard me sing Shake It Off.

00:08:38.600 Yeah. It's a different experience.

00:08:40.320 You, you, you had it.

00:08:43.020 I didn't say no enough.

00:08:44.100 I invented it.

00:08:44.740 It was just it back then. You gave it the, but I watched this video of Shake It Off and

00:08:51.660 I watched Taylor Swift. And of course I was familiar with Taylor Swift, but I legitimately

00:08:54.780 even now couldn't name a single other of her songs because I'm just at the exact wrong age

00:08:58.840 to have cared about music at the time that she was making it. But she is a genuine star.

00:09:03.560 You watch this video and you're like, my God, she is, she absolutely oozes it. And then

00:09:08.700 this amazing thing, I come back to the country and she's taken over the NFL. Like she's actually

00:09:12.840 led to the largest rate.

00:09:13.920 You're part of the side of the Super Bowl.

00:09:15.340 Yes.

00:09:16.180 At what point did you realize she was constructed in Langley to subvert the American right?

00:09:21.300 She's a hologram being controlled by George Soros.

00:09:23.920 I do think that the Taylor Swift thing, the way that the right played the Taylor Swift

00:09:28.800 phenomenon is one of the dumbest I've ever seen. And the fact that, and other people have

00:09:35.400 pointed this out, you know, you have that image of Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift,

00:09:38.140 you know, the football player and the blonde woman hugging after the game.

00:09:41.780 The fact that some on the right have made that like a liberal coded image is the stupidest

00:09:47.580 unforced air I've ever seen. And obviously, yeah, she's liberal. Travis Kelsey's a kind

00:09:53.360 of a tool. He pushes the vax. I understand all of that, but the smarter thing to do is

00:09:58.000 just to say, fine. Yeah, that's that we own her. She's, she's a, you know, it's a

00:10:02.160 heterosexual couple. They're, they're going to get married. Probably we, we take on her.

00:10:05.880 I totally agree with this. She might save civilization because a bunch of 30 year old

00:10:11.020 lonely women who are wine drinking cat moms are going to suddenly realize that marriage

00:10:15.100 and children are good if she marries Travis Kelsey and has kids.

00:10:17.640 Also, even just the fact of she and Travis Kelsey, that's his name, right?

00:10:20.940 It is.

00:10:21.400 The fact of that he doesn't have it.

00:10:23.740 No.

00:10:24.000 And he didn't have any songs.

00:10:25.160 His brother has it.

00:10:25.940 No idea.

00:10:26.540 Jason has it. Have you seen Jason?

00:10:28.100 No, no, no.

00:10:28.420 I think Jason drank it.

00:10:29.780 Yeah.

00:10:31.160 Nevertheless, they might be conservative. This is the other sort of problem sometimes with how we

00:10:35.080 talk about everything on the right is that we, we stick a pin in this exact moment, but you know,

00:10:40.500 people get married and it does change them. It changes their use. Getting married is an actual

00:10:46.320 civilized, has an actual civilizing effect. If you look at the, if you look at the demographic

00:10:52.160 numbers in any election, single women all vote left and married women tend to vote right.

00:10:57.760 So, you know, there, we, we might at least hope that in the act of them having this, this relationship.

00:11:05.340 Well, there's two things come up.

00:11:08.060 When he opened the door for her to get into the limousine, he actually pushed the bodyguard aside and opened the door.

00:11:14.180 Women swooned. I mean, it was, it was amazing. You know, oh, look, like that's what I want.

00:11:18.840 There are two great Twitter accounts that explain this phenomenon.

00:11:22.280 Two, obviously I get all my modern philosophy from Twitter and one, one of the great living modern philosophers,

00:11:27.800 Edmund Smirk, whose avatar is a picture of Edmund Burke, but kind of like smiling with sunglasses.

00:11:31.880 And he, he calls it Swiftian normality, which is what we want. We want to not be freaks.

00:11:37.480 We want Swiftian normality. Pretty girl, dates the football player, they get married, they have kids.

00:11:41.420 That's really good. Another Twitter account who I think, I think he's a Marxist, but maybe like a right-wing

00:11:45.920 Marxist. I don't know. Logo Daedalus. He pointed out the reason why we're such freaks about this

00:11:50.960 is because today the conservative party is the liberals, right? The party that controls the

00:11:58.160 institutions, the party that is now defending the NFL, for goodness sakes. It's all the liberals

00:12:02.800 who are doing that. The conservatives are the ones who are completely out of power. We have nothing to

00:12:07.100 do with the political establishment, the status quo. So oddly enough, now the conservatives are the

00:12:11.720 revolutionary force in American politics. And as a consequence, sometimes we act like freaks when the

00:12:16.760 pretty girl dates the football player. And meanwhile, in the NFL, and I, you know, I'm an NFL fan,

00:12:20.680 so I'm a little bit biased, but this is, this is another area where conservatives have a major

00:12:25.280 unforced error. Many of these football players are extremely conservative and very religious. I

00:12:31.580 mean, the things that they'll say, it's very common to have NFL stars, bona fide stars stand up in the

00:12:37.520 podium, you know, at the press conference after the game and say, you know, I want to begin by giving

00:12:40.880 glory to Christ. By the way, both starring QBs in the Super Bowl, both of them. Yeah. I mean,

00:12:44.500 they will give glory to God in, in these really intense, personal, uh, powerful ways. And rather

00:12:50.820 than celebrating that and saying, wow, this is, this is incredible. We've turned, you know, we, we,

00:12:55.080 we have to find a problem with it. In fairness, it only worked out for one of them. That's true.

00:12:58.920 God didn't want the other one to win. If it was a cynical play. But the, it will be fascinating to

00:13:04.260 see, honestly, if Taylor Swift does write a song about marriage and children, because that'll be the

00:13:08.400 real break for her, right? Because she's been writing Teenie Bopper stuff since she was like-

00:13:11.500 She keeps getting dumped by these Lothario. Or she, or she's dumping them, right? I mean,

00:13:15.500 I mean, she's, she's 35. My big critique of Taylor Swift has been that she's 35, but every song sounds

00:13:19.800 like she's 17. Yeah. Right? That everyone was tweeting out the meme from High School Musical of

00:13:24.020 like Zac Efron and the girl in High School Musical, whose name I can't remember, singing to each other.

00:13:27.660 And it's like, right, but that's High School Musical. And she's the age of like my wife, who has four

00:13:32.460 children. Right. Right? And so we're, it just shows how we've delayed marriage in the society to the

00:13:37.000 point where like mid-30s marriage is now considered normal and healthy as opposed to

00:13:41.120 when mid-20s marriage was considered normal and healthy for women and even younger. And so it

00:13:46.080 will be fascinating to see how her audience reacts to if she gets married and has kids. Yeah.

00:13:51.120 Her starting to sing songs not about kind of these teenage-y feelings of breaking up and, and first

00:13:57.160 romance, but like a mature relationship with a human being that lasts longer than six months and

00:14:01.140 results in children. Because otherwise- It actually could be a seriously powerful cultural

00:14:04.720 form. I hope that's the direction she moves. Yeah. Because otherwise she turns into Madonna.

00:14:07.640 She's dressing like that for the rest of her life. Exactly. And she's, as she's falling apart

00:14:10.740 with just the costume is moving around the stage. Yeah. But I, I'm sorry. Sorry.

00:14:15.700 No, I was just going to say, I, I don't think they're getting married. I didn't want to like

00:14:18.460 burst into my stomach. Yeah.

00:14:19.660 It seems like you really were hoping to get off. Is it all in hope? We can dream all.

00:14:22.100 She's Taylor Swift and he's Travis Kelsey. Like, I mean, that's why they're not getting married.

00:14:25.440 She only has relationships. I mean, she was just dating a guy five minutes ago, Matt Healy,

00:14:29.700 and she said she had never been happier in her life. And then she dumped him after.

00:14:33.420 But that guy was a total cock, wasn't it? Because her fans didn't like him. She dumped him.

00:14:36.060 And now she's back into this other, like, obviously Taylor Swift is crazy. I mean,

00:14:40.240 I just want to like, obviously the problem is not the guy.

00:14:43.000 She's a baby. She's going to hate me.

00:14:46.200 Well played. But I mean, obviously, if you've seen what she's even done in business and how she

00:14:53.460 tries to manipulate her audiences, like to get out of like deals and contracts, like she's totally

00:14:59.320 insane. Like she's the most toxic feminist that's ever existed. And what she does is basically the

00:15:05.000 threat is that if she doesn't get what she wants, she writes a song about a guy and then has 15

00:15:09.420 million girls singing the songs and drops little clues. They know who it's about. I mean,

00:15:13.600 it's totally psychotic if you really think about it. I don't think you appreciate how psychotic

00:15:16.940 that is that you can't date her for two weeks without her writing a song about you. I mean,

00:15:20.720 what she did to John Mayer as well, it was like, I literally did nothing to her. Like we went on one

00:15:25.660 date and I didn't deserve this. And then there's a bunch of like 10 year old girls whose brains are not

00:15:31.100 developed who then go and attack whoever it is. Like Scooter Braun's family, his young kids literally

00:15:36.220 had to go into hiding and get security because Taylor Swift wanted out of the deal that he

00:15:40.300 legally purchased her catalog of music. And she wrote this, you have to go find it on Tumblr,

00:15:45.100 this like glorious rephrasing of basically like my dad signed a contract, a legally binding contract

00:15:51.380 for me when I was 15. He now has the catalog as he purchased it. And she was just like, you know,

00:15:55.700 as a woman, I sat on the floor and I wrote these songs. And then they tried to kill Scooter Braun's

00:15:59.800 family. And he did nothing wrong other than to purchase her catalog. And he only had it for like

00:16:04.580 six months before he let somebody else purchase it. But like she hated Scooter Braun. This is a room

00:16:08.300 full of Swifties you're talking about. No guys, I'm sorry. Like I just, I just like, obviously she's

00:16:11.580 not going to marry. And Travis Kelsey, Travis Kelsey has exclusively only dated black girls. He had a

00:16:17.600 whole show only dating black girls. This is not even his type. He just realized that this is like

00:16:21.080 a good business move for him. And it is. It's a genius business move for him. But this is going to be

00:16:25.200 one album and then it's only. I totally agree with her now. I got to go. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to

00:16:29.440 be like depressing about it, but like it's one album and he's not going back to like, he's not

00:16:33.400 going from like black girls to like Taylor Swift. This is like a business move. Because when you.

00:16:38.220 It's a scientific fact. We have to pull up the articles. We will. The science has been done.

00:16:43.920 Cross the science. You don't go back. You agree. I basically agree with everything you're

00:16:48.660 saying about Taylor Swift. She is awful. I think calling her the most toxic feminist ever is quite a

00:16:54.260 statement like that. That's very well. That's a high one. No, no, no. Toxic feminism is when you use

00:16:58.160 being. It's like Kesha Taylor Swift. They've been doing this. It's a new breed of feminism. She's a

00:17:02.600 new breed. Yeah, I agree. I'm writing an entire book on this. It's like the Lena Dunham school of

00:17:06.500 thought. She literally said Lena Dunham taught me feminism, which basically means that you can get

00:17:10.960 whatever you want so long as you're able to sell to people that you're a victim because you're a woman.

00:17:14.700 And she has done it to the tune of a billion dollars. I agree. Like she re-recorded her catalog and

00:17:19.280 resold the same album because Scooter Braun legally purchased her catalog. Her dad

00:17:24.100 was sitting on the board of the company and she said, I didn't know it was getting sold. You

00:17:27.940 didn't know it was getting sold? Your dad is sitting on the board of the company. What are

00:17:30.960 you talking about? But eight-year-old girls don't understand business. So they then just

00:17:34.720 tried to kill Scooter Braun. You don't think she's going a little baby crazy though and just...

00:17:37.480 No, no. Her ovaries are going crazy. She wants a baby. He might get a baby. That's a very...

00:17:41.680 Was Healy the one who made her like a permanent girlfriend? Was Healy the one where they

00:17:45.720 dated for like five years or something? Who? No, no. Healy was the one she... The six years one was the

00:17:50.100 London guy who didn't want any press. That's the one I'm thinking. Then she had a relationship right after that.

00:17:53.420 Oh. And she burned the guy that she was with him for six years. She burned him. Then dated Matt

00:17:59.320 Healy. But then her fans freaked out because Matt Healy is kind of based. And like he made fun of

00:18:04.220 Ice Spice and her fans were like, this is racist. Okay, then I rescind calling him a cop. The five-year

00:18:09.040 one is it? Yes, because Taylor Swift fucked her like a psycho to do a PR move. That's a psychotic PR move.

00:18:14.340 I have to say that's the only thing that made Taylor Swift even palatable to me at the Super Bowl

00:18:19.720 was the fact that Ice Spice was next to her because Ice Spice not knowing what football was

00:18:24.540 and being lectured by Taylor Swift and then celebrating as though she like totally knew

00:18:27.500 what football was by the end of the game. It was entertaining to me just in that sense because

00:18:31.900 the only person more inauthentic than Taylor Swift in that box might have been Ice Spice. Yeah.

00:18:36.180 But I, this is like, I didn't know enough about Taylor Swift. I gotta admit. That's something racist.

00:18:40.620 Her fans freaked out. They said it was racist. He was just joking on a podcast. He's kind of

00:18:44.440 really into like the topic of masculinity and he's actually quite interesting even though he dated

00:18:48.240 Taylor Swift. But her fans dug up old stuff and said he's a racist and it also turns out that he

00:18:52.400 was watching like really gross black porn and her fans dig this up and then Ice Spice, they were

00:18:57.840 like, how could you let him say this about Ice Spice? So Taylor Swift just like went and plucked Ice Spice up

00:19:01.580 as a friend and took her to the Super Bowl. Like that's totally psychotic.

00:19:04.220 Can I ask you this? I gotta get a question. I have to get it out.

00:19:06.740 We're all being informed.

00:19:08.060 Yeah. Well, I didn't realize it. So you're the Taylor Swift biographer. I didn't realize it.

00:19:14.680 Do you, so she is awful. Total, total agreement. And Travis Kelsey is a total tool. And I despise

00:19:19.640 him and the Kansas City Chief.

00:19:20.540 Hold on. I've got to defend these.

00:19:21.860 But hold on. Do you agree that as a political strategy, do you agree that it was a, it's a bad

00:19:28.640 political strategy for the right to go after her and try to demonize her? Best strategy is

00:19:33.720 either to just ignore her or say, okay, she's going to get married. Great. Fantastic.

00:19:38.220 Not a problem. I have no problem with that. But I just want to also let you know they're

00:19:40.860 not getting married.

00:19:41.240 No, but, but, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm also, so.

00:19:43.900 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:19:44.900 I'm also right.

00:19:45.660 You're also right.

00:19:46.340 Yeah.

00:19:47.240 Here's the, here's the thing. I had, I had, you guys don't know this, but, and this is

00:19:50.040 absolutely true. I had a brief sojourn in the music business.

00:19:52.240 When you dated Taylor Swift.

00:19:53.200 I'm the only, I'm the only man who has not dated Taylor Swift, I believe. And it was

00:19:58.460 proverbial that female pop singers were insane. I mean, it was like, it was like, you know,

00:20:03.240 people would say, oh, he's crazy as a female pop singer. They're all like this, but I don't

00:20:07.260 really think it matters because the NFL is just a big image that you see and you see it

00:20:11.900 for today and nobody's going to, nobody will remember the whole thing. It's just, we should

00:20:15.880 have, we should have played the image.

00:20:17.000 Do we accredit to Taylor Swift the unbelievable ratings or do we, do we give that win to

00:20:23.840 the fact that they very deliberately tried to make it less political?

00:20:26.580 I think that's all good. I'll tell you what that is. That's a hundred percent gambling.

00:20:29.560 Yes.

00:20:30.160 The reason that, and that's, that's the fact, the reason why the NFL, well, people love

00:20:33.880 football. It's an American sport.

00:20:35.260 But why are the ratings 7% up?

00:20:36.960 Because of gambling. They, they recently legalized sports gambling. You do it online. Um, and I

00:20:42.120 lost more money than I will admit to on air, uh, this, this season. Uh, but that's, that's

00:20:49.140 what it is. It's, it's because of sports gambling. You can gamble on every single aspect of the

00:20:52.380 game.

00:20:52.940 There was one other thing, which is there was an artificial dip in the NFL ratings because

00:20:57.040 of all the woke crap. So because of all the woke crap, a bunch of people, including

00:21:00.000 me.

00:21:00.220 So you think it's just this.

00:21:01.260 Yeah. Yeah. So there was, there was this U shape and then it jumped back up and then

00:21:04.900 yeah, Taylor has something to do with it in the sense that like my wife who doesn't care

00:21:08.020 at all about this stuff and she doesn't even care about Taylor Swift, but she's like, why is

00:21:11.020 everyone talking about Taylor Swift? And so even like, if I'd been watching the Super

00:21:14.260 Bowl and Taylor Swift was not part of it, she would have walked by and never looked at

00:21:16.560 the TV.

00:21:16.760 In fairness.

00:21:17.280 And here she kind of randomly looked at the TV.

00:21:18.420 I hosted a Super Bowl party this year, uh, in my house and, uh, and in years past, it's

00:21:24.840 hard to keep the wives engaged. And this year the wives all stayed up there and were watching

00:21:28.480 the game with us. And I asked at one point, is this because of Taylor Swift? And one of

00:21:32.820 the wives informed me that no, it was because of Usher. That's a true, that's a true

00:21:36.440 story. That performance, not good. Alicia Keys was worse. Alicia Keys was like a capping

00:21:43.280 run over by a cement mixer. Yeah. My goodness. They fixed it. Do you know this? They did.

00:21:48.280 He sounded like a 45 year old man trying to dance and sing at the same time, which is

00:21:51.340 what he is. But he can roller skate. I thought, this is another place where I think that we

00:21:57.020 reject culture too fast. I was shocked by what, that guy freaking dances like Michael

00:22:01.640 Jackson. He's 45 years old and it was amazing. I thought so too. I didn't watch one minute of the

00:22:06.080 Superbowl. What? So I just want to be honest. Why the one who cares about the culture the

00:22:09.360 most? No, I already know what's going to happen with Taylor Swift, so I didn't need to watch

00:22:11.700 the Superbowl. And you knew he wouldn't propose. I did watch the first minute of Usher's performance

00:22:17.700 and I was like, yeah, these are all the old hits. So I'm glad that he did that. And there

00:22:20.720 was nothing, there was no satanic meaning. So for me, a win at the halftime performance

00:22:25.560 is no satanic meaning, no political message, and not too many ass cheeks. Did you not watch

00:22:32.160 and stand though for the Black National Anthem? I did. I watched the Black National Anthem the next

00:22:37.380 day because I just can't believe we're still doing this. By the way, I think it's, I'm not joking,

00:22:41.360 I think it is now the Negro National Anthem. No, yeah, according to a Tennessee congressman,

00:22:45.520 he just went out there. Really? He tweeted in defense, he was like, why is no one standing

00:22:50.380 for the Negro? And I was like, oh, we're really going back. Okay, a lot of people are Negroes again.

00:22:55.760 It's happening.

00:22:56.200 That was, as far, I just didn't understand anything that was going on during the halftime

00:23:01.820 show, to be honest with you. I didn't understand, like suddenly he was wearing like three layers

00:23:05.460 and then suddenly like the middle layer was mithril. And then he, and then all of a sudden

00:23:09.040 he was bare chested and dancing like Terry Crews. Hey, if you look like that bare chested at 45 years

00:23:13.240 old on roller skates, I'm just saying, I've never listened to a single note. I can't name a single,

00:23:17.880 I can name one Taylor Swift song and zero Usher songs. And I still thought, he deserves it.

00:23:22.720 I thought when they said it was Usher, I thought it was going to be the guy who dusts off your seat

00:23:25.400 before you sat down.

00:23:26.840 I was also wondering, like, I do admire that Lil Jon showed up and he is famous for saying

00:23:34.600 four words. That is literally his entire career. Turn down for what?

00:23:38.280 And he said, and he said, he did. He yelled him extremely loud and people went crazy because

00:23:42.600 they loved turning down.

00:23:43.560 And where were you?

00:23:44.240 Imagine if though, imagine if you're at the Grammys, they didn't even let us at the

00:23:48.740 Grammys. By the way, we tried hard to get on the Grammys. Oh, absolutely. Are you kidding?

00:23:52.220 Were we going to give up that troll? By the way, that would have been good.

00:23:54.560 Is Nicki Minaj a crypto conservative?

00:23:57.540 They think that everybody on this show is a crypto fan of Nicki Minaj. Have you ever

00:24:02.120 followed the online chatter?

00:24:02.620 I'm an explicit fan.

00:24:03.780 And I just, I said that to you. I said, I'm explicitly, we're explicitly.

00:24:06.680 I'm an exoteric fan of, yeah.

00:24:08.280 At the Daily Wire.

00:24:09.460 Again, against Megan.

00:24:10.220 I'm a barb.

00:24:10.840 Against Hardy B and Megan Thee Stallion.

00:24:12.220 And Megan Thee Stallion.

00:24:13.460 Thee Stallion.

00:24:14.040 Thee Stallion?

00:24:15.220 Yeah.

00:24:15.480 The problem is the.

00:24:16.380 That was really your best.

00:24:17.600 That was your best.

00:24:18.180 That was one of my best.

00:24:18.700 It's still my best.

00:24:19.120 It was truly the best Ben Shapiro tweet of all time.

00:24:22.440 I think it was the funniest thing I had ever seen on the Daily Wire. I still laugh.

00:24:27.680 The tweet.

00:24:28.620 Are you talking about the song?

00:24:29.380 No, I was talking about his performance.

00:24:30.380 The tweet.

00:24:31.100 I was talking about his performance.

00:24:32.000 The tweet surpassed the song.

00:24:34.160 It was excellent.

00:24:34.700 In every way.

00:24:35.520 Yeah, so basically, as we were climbing the Billboard charts, and we were passing everybody,

00:24:39.220 and Megan Thee Stallion, two E's, was next in line.

00:24:42.540 And so I tweeted at Megan Thee Stallion, hey, Megan, we're coming for thee.

00:24:49.480 That's Hall of Fame.

00:24:50.320 Take your way to respect.

00:24:51.760 That's pretty good.

00:24:52.300 That's the best tweet of all time.

00:24:54.540 Yes, because why are there two E's?

00:24:56.620 Stop ruining everything.

00:24:58.280 Yes, stop ruining some of the two.

00:25:00.120 That's literally his job.

00:25:01.860 100%.

00:25:02.260 The access of evil.

00:25:03.980 I'm a little insulted.

00:25:04.480 The access of wet blankets.

00:25:04.960 I'll be honest.

00:25:06.540 Let's do it.

00:25:07.500 So all of this Taylor Swift isn't just in service of having a conversation about culture.

00:25:15.980 He's going to go back to Joe Biden dying in office.

00:25:17.520 I also want to talk about Joe Biden, who's probably going to die in office.

00:25:19.760 No, I want to talk about marriage.

00:25:22.140 This is the big, I think one of the great conversations we ever had on this panel was about marriage.

00:25:27.420 One of the ones that I got the most positive feedback about from people who felt like it

00:25:30.920 really edified them.

00:25:33.660 But there's a real move on parts of the right to oppose marriage now.

00:25:38.100 It's run by the ostensible red pill crowd, which it's interesting how the meaning of red

00:25:42.620 pill has evolved over the last five years to essentially now mean, I would say anti-woman.

00:25:49.700 And they would say pro-man, but I think it's far beyond pro-man.

00:25:52.840 I think it's decidedly anti-woman in many ways.

00:25:55.200 And you see people who, I think some of them are bad actors who are peddling.

00:26:00.020 But then you also see people like Pearly Things who, I don't know Pearl.

00:26:04.100 I don't know if she's a bad actor or not.

00:26:05.540 I kind of get the sense that maybe she's just a naive person being kind of dragged along

00:26:10.120 out of half desire to be famous and half probably hasn't read a book.

00:26:14.660 And half of that I can relate to.

00:26:18.460 And the other half you can also relate to.

00:26:22.720 But I do think it's this interesting question that is harder to talk about in one-on-one

00:26:27.020 settings that might be a fit this format.

00:26:29.680 Just to talk about what is the role of men and women, what is the role of marriage in

00:26:35.300 a society that has essentially turned its back on the concept of marriage that is legally

00:26:41.200 encoded anti-man policies into our legal code.

00:26:47.760 And then abolish the definition of marriage.

00:26:48.620 Abolish the definition.

00:26:49.740 It's not anti-man.

00:26:50.880 They've abolished difference.

00:26:52.960 They've abolished the difference between men.

00:26:54.240 The distinction itself.

00:26:55.040 You know, I just went on the Whatever podcast for my, I think it's now my like 28th hour

00:27:00.180 on that show.

00:27:01.000 That was six hours.

00:27:02.920 After a three-hour debate on the show.

00:27:05.640 So I did.

00:27:06.160 It was a separate thing?

00:27:06.780 Yeah, I did nine hours.

00:27:07.560 You did nine hours?

00:27:08.300 It was great, yeah.

00:27:09.600 But it was worth it.

00:27:10.720 How?

00:27:11.200 Why?

00:27:11.280 It was great.

00:27:11.780 It was great.

00:27:12.200 I really loved that show.

00:27:13.380 I love it.

00:27:14.080 It got almost every question.

00:27:16.020 When I did it the first time.

00:27:19.040 You couldn't pay me.

00:27:19.560 You paid me a million dollars.

00:27:20.600 I wouldn't pay me.

00:27:20.660 No, I love it.

00:27:21.200 Because these poor girls, man, the whole thing with that show, which is why it's so

00:27:25.040 funny, is you get the girls.

00:27:26.340 Hold on.

00:27:26.680 I'll pay you $10,000.

00:27:29.840 You're really going to do it.

00:27:30.900 You're like 11.

00:27:32.160 No, the thing with that show that makes it very funny is guys go on and they make fun of

00:27:36.080 these girls who have OnlyFans, who are like 18 and don't know anything.

00:27:39.380 And then the guys completely destroy them.

00:27:41.720 And then the girls look like dummies.

00:27:43.140 And then the clip goes viral.

00:27:44.440 And I felt it would be wrong to do that.

00:27:47.460 I felt I might get a lot of views, but I might also burn in hell for eternity.

00:27:51.120 And I thought about it for a moment.

00:27:52.760 And then I thought, no, okay, I won't do it.

00:27:54.420 And so I went on.

00:27:55.460 You also have a rule.

00:27:56.160 Never give the audience what they want.

00:27:57.540 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:58.200 Never.

00:27:58.940 I went on a great discourse about the Treaty of Augsburg act.

00:28:02.820 So I go on there and I just felt it's not these girls' fault.

00:28:08.160 All of them have some weird family situation.

00:28:10.780 None of them.

00:28:11.180 We live in a culture that teaches them a ton of lies.

00:28:13.200 They have no education.

00:28:15.060 Even if they went to good schools, they have no education.

00:28:17.000 So I felt, okay, let's just talk about what's really going on here.

00:28:20.720 And they're victims of feminism.

00:28:22.920 And the red pill guys are victims of feminism.

00:28:24.980 And the irony about the red pill guys, I sympathize with them a lot of ways.

00:28:29.040 The family courts are totally stacked against dudes.

00:28:31.040 The culture promotes divorce and abolish the definition of marriage and blah, blah, blah.

00:28:35.180 But the red pill guys are feminists.

00:28:38.800 Their sense of men and women is basically, it's just that men and women are interchangeable.

00:28:44.480 Yes.

00:28:44.980 And go around, screw around, you owe nothing to women.

00:28:47.600 If it's good for women, it's good for men.

00:28:49.300 And that's just a lie.

00:28:50.720 You know, the fundamental unit of society is actually not the individual.

00:28:55.960 Right.

00:28:56.200 I love individual rights.

00:28:57.740 It's good to be an individual.

00:28:59.260 The fundamental unit of society is the family.

00:29:01.920 It's men and women together who have a love that becomes so real that you make more people.

00:29:06.640 Well, to have an atom, you have to have a proton and an electron, right?

00:29:10.060 So it's like a man is a proton.

00:29:12.560 Like, very important, but essentially nothing until it's unified.

00:29:16.040 To have an atom, you need to have an Eve.

00:29:17.720 No, you don't.

00:29:18.200 That's where I thought he was going.

00:29:19.220 That's where I thought he was going to.

00:29:19.980 And then I thought he was going to go for the Steve thing, and I thought I was just going to go.

00:29:23.480 That's why I.

00:29:24.060 Not Steve.

00:29:25.940 I've always.

00:29:27.200 Two protons and atom does not make.

00:29:29.680 I dare say.

00:29:30.840 I've always, with the red pill, you know, and I've been in many altercations with the red.

00:29:37.020 I've run afoul of the red pill crowd many times talking about these issues.

00:29:40.560 And the question I've always had for them that they've never answered, and I'd love to hear an answer from any of them, is that, you know, because I agree with 95% of their criticisms.

00:29:49.120 As you point out, the family courts and how it's stacked against men and so on and so forth.

00:29:53.920 What's the other option?

00:29:54.920 Like, okay, we agree with all that.

00:29:59.020 So then men should just be alone and give up on their bloodline and die, and their bloodline is extinguished?

00:30:08.280 Like, what you are suggesting is despair.

00:30:11.540 You are telling men.

00:30:12.520 Men are already feeling despair.

00:30:14.240 They're feeling meaninglessness.

00:30:15.620 They're feeling lost.

00:30:16.580 They're feeling alone.

00:30:17.180 And they're feeling like everything's stacked against them.

00:30:19.880 And so your answer to them is, yeah, well, just be in despair and then die.

00:30:25.280 And my point is that that's just not an okay answer.

00:30:28.660 That can't be the answer.

00:30:29.680 And have lots and lots of sex.

00:30:31.180 Well, but that's the sterile sex.

00:30:32.340 That's what you say.

00:30:33.140 Although not as much as a married man.

00:30:35.440 But this is what you were saying, is that that's how it turns to the anti-woman.

00:30:38.820 Because it's not about the despair.

00:30:40.480 The way that you find meaning is then by disparaging the people who have victimized you.

00:30:44.060 In any victim-victimizer sort of narrative, when there is no actual victim and victimizer and it has to be sort of put together artificially, then the person who self-perceives as the victim is very likely to then strike out at the person who they perceive as the victimizer.

00:31:00.780 And so for a lot of the red pill men who perceive the woman, the great woman, as the victimizer, the idea is that you lash out at women by having lots of sex with random girls and basically treating them like trash.

00:31:11.660 And it's okay because they said that it's okay with them.

00:31:13.420 But that doesn't – I've never understood the argument that it relieves you of responsibility for treating a woman well just because the woman has consented to be treated badly.

00:31:20.640 But he's right about the despair.

00:31:22.440 This is permeating the right.

00:31:24.320 It permeates the politics of the right.

00:31:25.880 It's the idea is basically it's all over.

00:31:27.940 They think of people basically, Ben, like you and me, as sitting on an ice flow kind of floating out as the ice melts away because we're sitting around thinking about civil debate and constitutional governance.

00:31:41.340 And they think that's all over now.

00:31:42.980 And despair permeates the right.

00:31:46.360 And I listen to a lot of these young guys and they're talking about bringing back monarchy.

00:31:50.300 They're talking about – yeah, they're king.

00:31:52.460 I know.

00:31:52.940 What?

00:31:53.160 I didn't say anything.

00:31:53.760 I didn't say anything.

00:31:54.640 Yeah, you know, but you had monarchy.

00:31:57.640 It's not that great.

00:31:58.440 You know, it actually isn't.

00:31:59.500 You know, if you think our elections are bad, well, you see the beheadings, you know, because that's how most of the king's men would be killed.

00:32:06.360 Yeah, I know.

00:32:06.800 I mean –

00:32:07.560 That's fine.

00:32:08.060 I'm not saying we need an imam or a sheikh, you know, or like a sultan.

00:32:12.040 I'm just, you know.

00:32:12.840 Wait, am I missing this?

00:32:13.940 What is the Red Hill no marriage thing?

00:32:16.580 I feel like I'm pretty in there.

00:32:17.580 Oh, yeah.

00:32:17.960 Oh, yeah.

00:32:18.400 No, it's a big deal.

00:32:18.880 Am I missing?

00:32:19.620 I feel like I've totally missed this.

00:32:21.140 That's their whole position.

00:32:22.800 They think that marriage is a –

00:32:24.260 What men are anti-marriage?

00:32:26.760 Well, yeah, that's the point.

00:32:27.680 They shouldn't be, you know, but it's –

00:32:29.480 No, but he's right.

00:32:30.180 This is true.

00:32:30.780 All the guys that pop up in our Twitter feed –

00:32:32.520 But tell me.

00:32:32.940 I'm actually missing this.

00:32:33.920 I didn't know the marriage thing.

00:32:35.260 I'm very pro-marriage.

00:32:35.800 So, Pearl made that argument.

00:32:37.520 Yes.

00:32:37.780 Okay.

00:32:38.020 The argument men – literally men should not get married.

00:32:40.240 Okay.

00:32:40.540 Because the institution –

00:32:41.140 But are men listening to that?

00:32:42.480 Like, are men saying that men shouldn't get married?

00:32:43.940 Or is that a woman saying that a man shouldn't get married?

00:32:46.140 Well, Pearl – I think that there are examples of men saying it as well.

00:32:49.600 But I think Pearl is sort of a prominent – one of the prominent voices.

00:32:54.640 A lot of the people –

00:32:55.320 But she's not married.

00:32:56.460 No, no, no.

00:32:56.820 Yeah, okay.

00:32:57.380 So, then that – I think that's – first, that's a huge thing, right?

00:33:00.080 I mean, obviously, it's like listening to people that don't have kids tell you why you shouldn't have kids.

00:33:03.240 Like, it doesn't really work, right?

00:33:04.800 Because when you're telling them about what changes inside of you when you get married –

00:33:08.520 And I think it's very easy to gravitate towards that.

00:33:10.860 That is a feminist message, not to get married.

00:33:12.580 And if her argument is – if your quarrel is with the courts, I could agree with you.

00:33:16.100 Like, you know, the courts have done tons of things that are awful that I disagree.

00:33:18.560 I don't even agree necessarily with the courts taking marriage at all.

00:33:21.740 It was a church thing, and they took it.

00:33:23.100 And this is how we ended up with gay marriage rights, which I'm very much opposed to.

00:33:26.500 Well, I would say that a big part of the bread pill thing that we would all probably agree with is they diagnose actual problems.

00:33:34.720 Right.

00:33:35.060 So, when Pearl or other people in the movement come along and say, this is a major problem in society, I almost always agree with them.

00:33:41.380 It's when they get to the prescription that I think that it falls apart.

00:33:44.120 The prescription being, you know, lashing out at women generally or embracing despair or kind of nihilism.

00:33:49.620 No, that's a feminist message.

00:33:50.240 I mean, fundamentally, to be anti-family, I don't understand how you could identify as a conservative at all.

00:33:57.060 Because everything that the left is trying to do, every Marxist principle, every feminist principle is about disrupting, you know, the family unit.

00:34:04.460 It connects everything from the climate change lobby to, you know, don't have kids, the planet's going to die, to feminism, you know, be like men, we should be like men.

00:34:12.540 And it's all a disruption of the family unit.

00:34:14.040 And if you are now arguing in favor of something that's fundamentally Marxist, then you have to examine whether or not you're a conservative at all.

00:34:21.340 That would be my pushback on that.

00:34:22.880 That's what we're trying to do.

00:34:23.340 I haven't heard any men say that they're anti-human.

00:34:25.820 Maybe I need to just say.

00:34:26.500 No, I have.

00:34:27.480 I don't want to give them press because they're all jerks to me online.

00:34:29.860 But there are a handful of these guys.

00:34:31.700 And the irony of it is they put themselves out there to be these big, virile, you know, pinnacles of masculinity.

00:34:39.140 But their anthropology is fundamentally, for lack of a better word, gay, right?

00:34:44.020 Their anthropology is fundamentally sterile.

00:34:46.740 And it's saying, yeah, we shouldn't get married.

00:34:48.900 We shouldn't have kids.

00:34:49.540 We should just have sterile relations with random women.

00:34:54.080 And so it's kind of how the irony that, you know, we end up at the topic that no one's allowed to name anymore that Matt made a movie about.

00:35:00.900 And, you know, people say, well, that's so crazy, you know, we should dial that back.

00:35:05.740 But that's just a consequence of the very same sexual revolution that has said for many decades now that men and women are exactly the same, which comes from feminism, right?

00:35:14.320 Horseshoe theory.

00:35:15.300 Totally, yeah.

00:35:16.100 I mean, it's the logical conclusion of Gloria Steinem is these red pill bros, and they don't even realize it.

00:35:23.240 Radically pro-marriage.

00:35:24.320 What I run into a lot, I mean, whether these people identify as red pill or not doesn't really matter.

00:35:28.260 But when I talk about marriage on my show and I promote it and I talk about my own experiences with marriage, I hear all the time.

00:35:36.620 I mean, the comments are full of people who are conservative who are saying, well, that's just your experience.

00:35:41.240 That's a, you know, you got lucky.

00:35:44.640 You have it easy.

00:35:46.280 And you're trying to trick men into this deal that isn't going to work for them just because you happen to find a good woman.

00:35:52.680 And that's the kind of defeatist mentality I hear all the time, all the time.

00:35:57.760 And what I want to say to these men is, like, it's an easy way to dismiss it, but we're all married in this room.

00:36:04.840 We're all happily married.

00:36:06.120 So we didn't get lucky.

00:36:07.080 It's like you have to work at it every single day.

00:36:09.400 It's a choice that you make.

00:36:10.800 And there's a lot of women out there who are looking to make that choice also.

00:36:15.120 So it's very easy to just kind of dismiss.

00:36:16.900 To get back to Drew's point, actually.

00:36:18.720 So I'm going to back your point before you back your own.

00:36:20.680 So the real question is why that's arising on the right.

00:36:24.260 You understand why that revolutionary movement exists on the left.

00:36:26.680 I mean, you can't have spelled it out.

00:36:27.540 It is fundamentally a Marxist movement that seeks to destroy the institution of marriage in order to level all of society so that you can build up, based on the ashes, some sort of weird scrap heap of new creation.

00:36:37.640 But the question is why that's happened on the right.

00:36:40.840 And this is where I agree with Drew, is that because the right, and this goes back even to some of the Taylor Swift points that you were making earlier about why the right is getting Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey wrong, just imagistically.

00:36:50.620 I mean, I now agree with everything you said about Taylor Swift.

00:36:52.840 But the reason that that's happening is because since every institution has now been fundamentally taken over by the left, or at least that's the belief of the right, if you extend that to every institution, that extends even to the most important institutions.

00:37:06.260 The right is looking and they're seeing every institution that we once relied upon rested out of our control, including things like church, right?

00:37:12.680 Things that were very fundamental to our lives rested out of our control and then militarized against us.

00:37:18.120 And so that's sort of the argument that the red pillars are making.

00:37:20.420 What they're saying is that the institution of marriage was rested out of our control and then perverted and used against us in the same way that they're arguing that about the government or arguing that about the church or arguing that about the universities or the press.

00:37:30.460 But the problem is that when it comes to marriage, because it's so personal and because in the end there is no substitute for it, you can't just despair of the institutions and, say, build a giant alternative in the way.

00:37:42.720 Like, you have to actually do the thing that conservatives really should be doing in nearly all of these modes, which is seize control of the institutions back.

00:37:49.460 So the big debate that's happening right now on the right is can we do that with these institutions or do you burn them to the ground?

00:37:55.060 And it differs institution by institution, right?

00:37:56.720 I think most of us in this room would say, like, the university system, go ahead and burn it to the ground.

00:38:00.040 Or the legacy media, go ahead and burn it to the ground.

00:38:02.520 But when it comes to the institution of marriage, you can't burn it down.

00:38:05.540 That's not something you can burn down.

00:38:06.600 Well, it's not an institution invented by man, for one thing.

00:38:08.760 Right, exactly.

00:38:09.740 And so you actually have to—

00:38:10.780 Well, you can burn it, but you burn civilization with it.

00:38:12.500 Exactly.

00:38:13.120 And so I think that what's happened is a broad category error that the right has made.

00:38:17.340 And being anti-institutionalist broadly, you're starting to see the most right-wing edges of the right wing say, well, that includes all institutions.

00:38:24.520 And that's why you see the link between, hey, there's bad divorce law.

00:38:27.100 Maybe we just shouldn't get married or not participate in the institution of marriage.

00:38:29.540 It's fundamentally broken and it's dead.

00:38:31.500 The thing that the right, I think, needs to get back on board with is, no, many of these institutions, even if they seem like they're not savable, are so important that there is no ready alternative to them.

00:38:41.960 And so you actually have to seize back—

00:38:43.440 And many of them, and marriage specifically, are based on individuals.

00:38:46.740 What individuals do, that's what the institution will be.

00:38:49.600 And the thing is, when you live online, you're living in this fantasy world of loud voices and angry voices, and it's very easy to be overwhelmed by it.

00:38:56.600 It's very easy to think—I mean, I think this probably has happened to all of us, where people are screaming at you online, and you suddenly think everybody's angry at me.

00:39:04.140 And it's six guys with a couple of bots that are just coming after you, and they're the loudest thing, and they're surrounding your head.

00:39:09.820 I don't want to get into the bot business.

00:39:11.100 Yeah, no, because you're stuck in this make-believe world of the internet.

00:39:17.300 And the thing is, you build institutions by doing things with the people in your community and with the people that you'll—

00:39:22.960 In real life.

00:39:24.300 Yeah, it's real life.

00:39:25.380 We're incarnate beings in time and space.

00:39:26.400 Yeah, it's the meat robots.

00:39:27.500 This is important.

00:39:29.760 Marriage, in particular, is a thing that you do, right?

00:39:33.060 Marriage, how do we fix—we need to fix divorce laws.

00:39:36.240 Like, I think that we should start a non-profit think tank.

00:39:38.020 All of us should pitch in.

00:39:39.280 I know what you all get paid.

00:39:41.980 I start a think tank just aimed at addressing the horrible inequalities that exist in family law right now.

00:39:47.760 There's no question that, in particular, women are incentivized to leave their husbands.

00:39:52.660 If you got rid of no-fault divorce, you would solve 72% of the problems.

00:39:56.640 I'm with you, by the way.

00:39:57.820 But that's a—I don't disagree with you, but that is a—that's an all-or-nothing proposition.

00:40:03.680 I'm not saying all divorce.

00:40:04.420 No, no, no.

00:40:05.340 I'm only saying that we're not a year from getting away—

00:40:09.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:09.980 —from moving away from no-fault divorce.

00:40:11.760 That's a generational activity, just like getting rid of—just like introducing no-fault divorce

00:40:15.940 was a generational undertaking.

00:40:19.000 There are a lot of goalposts between here and there, places where we could make an immediate

00:40:22.240 difference in the lives of a lot of men.

00:40:24.260 You could actually go tackle this problem.

00:40:25.660 It shouldn't be the case that a wife is economically incentivized to leave her husband, and a husband

00:40:32.120 is not economically incentivized to leave his wife in, very broadly speaking, that's

00:40:36.140 a bad incentive structure.

00:40:37.580 We might be able to do something about it.

00:40:39.420 But ultimately, whether you fix that bad incentive structure or don't fix that bad incentive

00:40:43.540 structure, whether we get rid of no-fault divorce or don't get rid of no-fault divorce,

00:40:47.060 your marriage is not a statistic.

00:40:49.980 Your marriage is the actual marriage that you, the actual person, is in with another

00:40:54.240 actual person.

00:40:55.160 And you have enormous agency there.

00:40:57.420 And the worst thing that's happening on the right, in my opinion right now, is this victimizer

00:41:02.340 mentality is settling in.

00:41:04.340 And I completely understand why it's settling in.

00:41:06.500 It's settling in, in particular, because the left was so effective at using it to build

00:41:12.160 their winning coalition in the mid-2000s.

00:41:16.300 It's how they, it's not exactly how they elected Barack Obama in 2008, but it is how they re-elected

00:41:21.900 him in 2012, is with this hierarchical victim mentality.

00:41:25.300 Coalition of the Ascendant, right?

00:41:26.840 That's right.

00:41:27.840 And so then you end up with the right, seeing that that's what works, and recognizing the

00:41:34.720 only group of people to whom it doesn't apply is conservative or white Christian male, like

00:41:39.500 the people who traditionally have voted Republican in the country.

00:41:43.200 And so they, they basically took that same victim mentality and tried to, and tried to make

00:41:47.300 it work over here to, to build a coalition.

00:41:49.740 And, and the problem with it is if everyone is a victim, right?

00:41:54.860 Once you, once you reach every human is a victim, then we are all basically nihilist.

00:41:59.600 Like there's nothing, there's nothing left anymore.

00:42:01.440 There's almost, I agree with you, Jeremy.

00:42:03.060 There is a point that we're the right, we want to deny oppression generally, because

00:42:07.420 that's the language of the Marxists.

00:42:08.980 But I almost think we should acknowledge it for a second and say, you know what, there

00:42:12.540 is oppression, there is victimization, it happens to all of us.

00:42:16.100 It's not the result of the white guys or men or the women or whatever.

00:42:19.640 It's sin actually is what oppresses you, and it leads you to form vices.

00:42:23.720 And when you form those vices, you become a slave to your appetites and you have a crappy

00:42:26.960 life in a crappy country.

00:42:27.840 And so you're right, let's acknowledge that and then recognize that you do have it.

00:42:34.000 It's easier when you have a society that impels you toward a better life and more human flourishing,

00:42:38.360 but you actually do have some agency.

00:42:40.600 And the law, the constitution is only going to be as good as the people who enforce it.

00:42:44.960 Did you see this ruling came out of the Hawaiian Supreme Court that said, it was a gun case.

00:42:49.200 I did not see that ruling.

00:42:50.160 This was amazing.

00:42:51.440 It said that-

00:42:52.200 It's really funny.

00:42:52.560 So it's a gun case, and this is after the New York case, New York Rifle and Pistol Association,

00:42:57.580 which upholds the Second Amendment in the state of New York.

00:43:00.000 They take it to Hawaii, and the Hawaii Supreme Court says, no, you don't have your Second

00:43:03.680 Amendment rights, because even if that's what the constitution says you have, there is a

00:43:07.480 higher law, and that higher law is the spirit of aloha.

00:43:13.040 That's seriously what it says, in those words.

00:43:15.240 In the face of that, you realize, oh, the constitution, that and a buck fifty will get you a cup of

00:43:19.840 coffee, the laws, the Federalist Papers, all of that is worthless if we have a people who

00:43:25.960 just don't know how to comply with them.

00:43:27.520 Your marriage.

00:43:28.000 You're talking about the fundamental argument that people make to support their power.

00:43:34.280 So somebody recently said that every political argument is BS, BS, BS, that's why I should

00:43:38.680 be in power.

00:43:39.880 But the normal argument is, I should be in power because I will give you safety, security

00:43:44.960 from violence, and I will make the economy work or keep it working.

00:43:48.640 They change the argument to, they want to put you all back in chains, but if I'm in

00:43:53.440 power, you will not be put back in chains.

00:43:55.240 It's a very different argument, and it's not the American argument, and it's the argument

00:43:58.100 that now dominates.

00:43:59.280 So essentially, you're talking about a form, an argument for governance that depends upon

00:44:04.380 your sense of being aggrieved.

00:44:06.300 Who doesn't have a sense of being aggrieved?

00:44:08.100 I mean, I work for Jeremy.

00:44:10.040 I'm aggrieved.

00:44:10.420 You can write books.

00:44:11.200 I am a victim.

00:44:11.700 Tomes.

00:44:12.080 So I think that this is like, we let the arguments get away from us.

00:44:17.840 You know, in everything, in everything in our society, as Lincoln said, public sentiment

00:44:23.160 is everything.

00:44:24.520 You can get public sentiment either by making an argument or by inciting emotions or by

00:44:29.560 simply oppressing people by simply stomping on their neck.

00:44:31.920 And what we have got now is we've got both sides, including the right, are just basically

00:44:36.220 inciting emotions.

00:44:37.160 They're just basically saying, run for your life or the other guy will win.

00:44:41.560 We don't have any avenue for making, outside of this room, outside of this room, we actually

00:44:45.780 don't have an avenue for making arguments that people believe in.

00:44:48.640 And this is why I find it so infuriating.

00:44:51.080 I fell for this with W a little bit, George W. Bush, if you may remember him, he was president.

00:44:55.340 But I fell for this a little bit where I thought, it doesn't matter that the president

00:44:58.680 can't speak because it's what he does.

00:45:02.020 And now people say that about Trump.

00:45:03.720 It does matter.

00:45:04.680 You have to be able to speak.

00:45:05.760 You have to be able to convince people.

00:45:07.680 And we've lost that power.

00:45:08.960 And that's why this thing with Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift matters, because we've lost

00:45:12.700 the power to simply say, this is what's good about this.

00:45:15.680 This is what's bad about it.

00:45:16.940 Whatever.

00:45:17.200 But do you have to be?

00:45:18.480 You know, I guess I agree, ideally, that would be the case.

00:45:21.760 But when I think about the classical definition of freedom, of free will, is not just volition.

00:45:27.800 It's not just choosing, but it's perfect willing predicated on perfect knowledge, perfect intellect.

00:45:33.620 So that's why only God is totally free.

00:45:35.480 And we are more or less free depending on how we control our will and what we know.

00:45:40.640 And so if you live in a country where people basically know some things and basically can

00:45:44.140 control themselves and they have morality and they kind of practice stuff, then yes,

00:45:47.680 the president being able to make a persuasive argument is going to make you more or less

00:45:52.560 flourishing and more or less free.

00:45:53.520 But if you live in a country where that has been severely degraded as we do today, I actually

00:45:59.100 don't think that if we had Pericles getting up there giving a great oration, it would do

00:46:02.840 very much of anything.

00:46:03.900 I don't know.

00:46:04.400 I think that there are certain things that we could actually change that might change

00:46:07.440 that.

00:46:07.720 I mean, I've watched debates now.

00:46:08.920 And this is one of the reasons they say these ideas are obsolete.

00:46:12.620 I watch a debate now.

00:46:13.840 I have no idea what anybody thinks.

00:46:15.760 And I don't even understand why a journalist is asking questions.

00:46:19.640 I think like that journalist is not, he's not a journalist, he's an advocate.

00:46:23.720 Why is he determining what Ron DeSantis can talk about or Donald Trump can talk about?

00:46:27.760 Why aren't these guys just getting up and saying, this is what I have to say?

00:46:30.420 You know, Lincoln Douglas didn't have a moderator.

00:46:32.900 They don't need it.

00:46:33.620 We have no vengeance.

00:46:34.440 Well, I truly believe no one should be able to be elected president who doesn't do three

00:46:39.100 hours on Joe Rogan.

00:46:40.120 I'm not joking about that.

00:46:41.240 No, I understand what you're saying.

00:46:42.480 If you can't sit down for three hours and talk about what you actually do.

00:46:45.380 Well, that was why the Putin interview was fascinating.

00:46:47.420 Like just the opening hour sermon that he gave.

00:46:50.540 I don't think Tucker knew what quite to do because that's never happened before.

00:46:53.800 I actually think, I'm no fan of Tucker Carlson.

00:46:56.540 I actually think that he comported himself very well in that.

00:46:58.860 No, he did.

00:46:59.320 I'm saying that he literally said at the beginning.

00:47:01.080 Doing almost nothing.

00:47:02.000 Yeah, because he said he thought, is he filibustering?

00:47:04.240 Because this is how unaccustomed we have become to someone being able to sit down for an hour.

00:47:09.460 The eighth century.

00:47:11.020 I was like, oh, wow.

00:47:11.980 He's going to just be quick.

00:47:13.120 No, the ninth century, the tenth.

00:47:14.300 And it is an incredible thing to realize that Tucker thought he was filibustering because

00:47:18.420 he had never seen this before.

00:47:19.560 That's right.

00:47:19.880 We've never seen it before.

00:47:21.440 Obviously, Putin is very bright, right?

00:47:23.340 And we're not used to, we're really not used to that at this moment.

00:47:26.460 But we used to have that, you know.

00:47:27.780 Like Richard Nixon could do that.

00:47:29.020 And then Brian thinking, this is a good time for me to go up and get on a podium and have

00:47:32.040 a press conference.

00:47:32.620 Like, please don't do this right now when everyone's watching Putin deliver a historical

00:47:36.860 sermon about Russian history.

00:47:38.320 Well, I want to say this one thing.

00:47:39.160 I don't want to stick too much on the Putin thing because I do want to finish this marriage

00:47:42.260 conversation.

00:47:42.860 But the best part of the Putin interview to me is that, whereas I thought going in that

00:47:49.520 it would mostly be Putin posturing, and of course, he's a politician and did posture.

00:47:53.720 It would mostly be him sort of propagandizing.

00:47:55.560 And he's a politician and did propagandize.

00:47:58.100 But it was predominantly Putin actually telling us what he thinks.

00:48:01.160 Yeah, that was astonishing.

00:48:02.080 And you can say that he's wrong.

00:48:04.760 I think a lot of what Putin said is inaccurate.

00:48:06.500 I think a lot of what he said is wrong.

00:48:08.540 But I far better today understand Putin's motivations than I did before this interview

00:48:12.940 because Putin told me what his motivations are by and large.

00:48:16.220 And the fact that so many people reacted, especially to that first part of the interview,

00:48:20.500 by saying how boring it was.

00:48:21.660 And then I watched it.

00:48:22.300 I thought it was absolutely fascinating.

00:48:24.060 Fascinating.

00:48:24.560 But we're not used to it.

00:48:25.840 I mean, he's giving this historical discourse and he's connecting actions that he's taking

00:48:30.020 today to things that happened 500 years ago, which, so there's two things going

00:48:33.680 on.

00:48:33.840 First of all, as Americans, we are used to intellectual, lightweight politicians who

00:48:38.020 would not be capable of offering any kind of explanation like that.

00:48:41.460 But also, we're so disconnected from our own past and our own ancestry that the idea

00:48:46.700 that people are motivated by things that happened 1,000 years ago is so foreign to us.

00:48:50.920 But what we don't realize is that this, outside of the modern Western world, this is how the

00:48:54.200 entire world works and has worked forever.

00:48:56.000 However, that, you know, for us, it's outside of America.

00:48:59.060 I have to say, I really disagree with this.

00:49:01.160 I mean, even in the United States, it used to be that people used to be able to speak

00:49:04.040 to the constitutional values and the development of those constitutional values of time.

00:49:08.040 Yes.

00:49:08.500 Not that long ago.

00:49:09.700 Not that long ago.

00:49:10.500 If you read the single best speech that's like this, the July 4th speech by Calvin Coolidge

00:49:15.160 on the 150th anniversary of 1776, it's a phenomenal speech.

00:49:19.260 And it really does explain sort of where we are in historical time.

00:49:22.940 And it's pathetic that American presidents are no longer able to do that.

00:49:26.860 That is pathetic.

00:49:27.820 But as far as what Putin actually had to say, listen, I think that his view on history is

00:49:31.560 deeply flawed.

00:49:32.960 I think that he elides significant facts.

00:49:35.720 I think that it's obviously biased in a particular direction, which is why he does what he does.

00:49:39.280 But the thing that was interesting about it, and I agree with you, and Tucker, I thought

00:49:42.840 did actually, I said this on the show, I thought he did a really good job actually just letting

00:49:46.140 him talk.

00:49:46.600 I don't want to hear what the interviewer has to think.

00:49:48.960 I want to hear what Putin has to think, because you actually don't really hear that

00:49:52.180 all that often.

00:49:53.280 And actually, it sort of underscored to me how aggressive he is, because when he spells

00:49:57.580 out the history of Muscovy and he explains that basically everything in the entire region

00:50:01.860 was once Russia, you know, it's hard for me to see that as not territorially ambitious.

00:50:06.220 But the kind of broader point, which is that countries have histories, philosophies have

00:50:11.700 histories, ideologies have histories, and those histories have consequences, that's

00:50:15.580 something that we don't have in the United States.

00:50:18.520 And because of that, you can have frauds like Nicole Hannah-Jones walking around not

00:50:21.460 knowing history and falsifying history, and no one even knows what to say to her.

00:50:24.540 So I want to cover three things, and then there's a major topic that I want to introduce

00:50:28.980 that none of you will have seen coming, because it wasn't.

00:50:32.000 Until right this second, they just told me something in my ear.

00:50:34.140 We have to talk about it.

00:50:35.000 First is, we often diagnose problems.

00:50:38.900 It's the nature of our job.

00:50:40.760 But for anyone who tuned in for that entire conversation about the red pillars and their

00:50:43.940 view of marriage, what is the hope that you offer to a young man right now in this actual

00:50:50.740 world, in the world where family courts bias against him in such extreme numbers, where

00:50:55.880 women drive such a large percentage of the divorces, where he does feel that if he even

00:51:01.180 makes an overture to a woman, he runs the risk of being kicked off of his college campus

00:51:04.680 or worse.

00:51:05.960 What do you say to that young man in despair about the institution of marriage right now?

00:51:12.080 What hope have we to offer?

00:51:13.660 I say this all the time.

00:51:15.080 It's like, you have to begin with yourself.

00:51:16.640 I mean, this thing that somehow the society is supposed to change for you to change is the

00:51:21.560 exact opposite of manhood as far as I'm concerned.

00:51:23.600 You know, you start out, who am I?

00:51:25.320 What do I want?

00:51:25.920 What am I doing here?

00:51:26.840 Where am I going?

00:51:27.920 And a guy who doesn't understand that about himself isn't going anywhere, you know?

00:51:32.920 Part of that is developed in a marriage.

00:51:35.260 But the way you get to marriage is thinking, you know, this show, whenever you're on that

00:51:40.420 show, whatever, I watch a little bit of it.

00:51:42.380 My wife looks over my shoulder and says, is that Michael?

00:51:44.620 This show is disgusting.

00:51:45.840 Every single time.

00:51:46.800 And she says the same thing.

00:51:47.360 Because I'm on it.

00:51:48.180 That's why.

00:51:49.040 She says, why is he doing that?

00:51:50.400 And I say, well, he's actually the best thing on it, which is true.

00:51:53.240 But it's like, it's disgusting to bring these victims of a society on because it's a healthy

00:51:59.200 impulse in human beings that they're born into a society and they live according to

00:52:03.140 the rules of that society.

00:52:04.460 That's a healthy impulse.

00:52:05.620 You don't want it.

00:52:06.140 Not everybody can be a rebel.

00:52:07.500 Not every age is supposed to overturn the, you know, the norm.

00:52:10.880 That would be insane.

00:52:12.480 So most of us are born into a society and we adopt the values of that society.

00:52:16.240 Right now, we're in a position of climactic change.

00:52:22.980 We're in a position where a generation, my generation, is passing away, possibly by the

00:52:27.420 end of the show.

00:52:28.580 And these transitions usually don't go very well.

00:52:32.180 They usually are filled with violence and upset.

00:52:34.920 This is the moment when you have to say, I stand here.

00:52:38.040 I stand in this place.

00:52:39.420 I am this person.

00:52:40.100 All of those guys who are making fun of those girls, they're actually an underlying assumption

00:52:47.340 there that they are somebody else looking for something else.

00:52:50.740 And if what they're looking for is a lot of sex and I conquered this and I conquered that,

00:52:54.080 you're right.

00:52:54.420 That's essentially homosexual.

00:52:56.440 It's essentially a gay lifestyle.

00:52:58.440 But if they're actually talking about the opposite of what those girls represent, then live that way

00:53:04.140 and live it out loud.

00:53:05.840 You know, I mean, this is that moment.

00:53:07.340 This is that moment when if you are not saying, I'm an anti-feminist.

00:53:11.160 I think feminism was a mistake.

00:53:12.340 I think just like what you were talking about before, they identified real problems.

00:53:15.700 You know, there were unfairnesses and all that stuff.

00:53:17.680 They came up with the wrong solution.

00:53:19.240 I say this all the time and people are always going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:53:23.020 Conservatives are saying this.

00:53:24.120 They're saying like, well, you know, but you do believe this, but don't get me wrong.

00:53:28.820 And also, yeah, get me wrong.

00:53:30.060 Get me wrong.

00:53:30.500 I think feminism should be thrown out.

00:53:32.020 That thing was a mistake.

00:53:33.140 And I think it was the wrong solution to an actual problem.

00:53:36.280 If we don't live like that, if we don't live speaking out, if we're constantly dropping

00:53:40.340 our voices when we say the truth, we're done for.

00:53:43.480 We're done for.

00:53:44.000 And I would say that's my line to individual men.

00:53:47.700 And I think also to build off that, the hope for men, and this is also to your point, Jeremy,

00:53:52.680 is that we are not condemned by the choices that other people have made in their own lives.

00:53:57.560 Right.

00:53:57.700 So, for example, this supposed statistic that 50% of marriages end in divorce, which is

00:54:03.380 basically made up, but let's just pretend that it's true for a moment.

00:54:06.900 It's like, okay, but that's not my marriage.

00:54:09.580 Okay.

00:54:09.720 Because I am being, that statistic is being weighed down by a whole bunch of people who

00:54:14.300 made all the worst choices and their marriages failed very quickly.

00:54:18.400 And so that's how you come up with a 50% statistic.

00:54:20.440 But if you do basic things, like, for example, if you're religious, if you, you know, if you

00:54:26.260 just spend time together, if you, you know, if you, if you listen to each other, if you're

00:54:30.760 honest with each other.

00:54:31.720 The great advice Andrew Clavin gives to young men, don't have sex with people who aren't

00:54:35.360 your wife.

00:54:36.660 If you do basic things, if you do basic things like that, your chances of not getting divorced

00:54:40.620 are much, much better.

00:54:43.360 So you don't, just the fact that this has happened to so many other people really has no bearing

00:54:49.420 on you and your own life.

00:54:51.200 And that's the message I.

00:54:52.200 The basis also of hope here in this regard is the basis of hope.

00:54:56.960 Generally hope is not optimism.

00:54:59.400 Optimism is just a sentiment.

00:55:00.820 Hope is a fact.

00:55:01.720 It's actually a theological virtue and it's based on an objective reality.

00:55:05.100 So this sounds a little mamby pamby pie in the sky.

00:55:07.900 I think this is the best cause of hope for young men, which is there is an objective reality

00:55:12.380 outside of you.

00:55:13.960 Marriage is a thing that is not just or primarily about you.

00:55:17.500 Marriage is a sacrament.

00:55:19.680 It is the meeting of two people who take a vow before God and before the law and before

00:55:24.500 the community, before the public.

00:55:26.320 And you say you're going to do a thing and commit to a thing and your love is going to

00:55:28.780 be so real that there is another person that comes out of that.

00:55:31.760 And things are known by their purpose.

00:55:34.480 The purpose of this delicious Mayflower cigar is to smoke it.

00:55:37.220 The purpose of the Leftist Tears Tumblr to quench my thirst for Leftist Tears.

00:55:40.980 Men have a purpose too.

00:55:42.620 Marriage has a purpose too.

00:55:43.820 So people, I think, fear when they get into an argument with their wife, it's going to

00:55:47.660 be some negotiation or some mere battle of wills that's totally irrational.

00:55:52.260 No, we have reason.

00:55:53.600 You can actually resolve many conflicts using your reason and coming to terms and just doing

00:55:59.720 the things you're supposed to do.

00:56:01.160 To quote Don Corleone, talking to Johnny Fontaine, you can act like a man, even when it kind of

00:56:05.760 hurts your feels a little bit, even when you're kind of tired and you worked hard and your

00:56:09.620 kid is screaming, well, just do your duty.

00:56:12.360 You know, people have a purpose and virtue is doing excellent activity over a period of

00:56:18.400 time.

00:56:18.800 And that, that, you know, the nature, frankly, by the activity that you're doing.

00:56:22.420 So do what you're supposed to do, man.

00:56:24.180 It is true that one of the big red pill voices out there, I won't name him either.

00:56:28.100 He is somewhat well known.

00:56:29.160 And, um, and, and I saw him railing about how these daily wire guys all talk about marriage

00:56:35.320 and not one of them will actually sit down and talk to a man who's been hurt by the injustices

00:56:40.040 in our, in our family law.

00:56:42.380 And you've all, you know, my wife left me and destroyed my life and took half of my money

00:56:47.340 and more than half of my money, you know, and he goes on this long, long rant.

00:56:50.900 And then he gets to the end.

00:56:51.760 I kid you not.

00:56:52.300 And he gets to, and, and yeah, I lived on the road and I made a bunch of mistakes, you

00:56:57.680 know, but I, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:57:00.400 And I thought, oh, you're blaming the institution of marriage for multiple affairs, not, not

00:57:07.220 a mistake that you've made, a lifestyle that you embrace, an anti-marriage lifestyle.

00:57:11.380 You were living outside of your, the vows of your marriage.

00:57:14.980 And you're upset that your wife decided to formalize that, to formalize that.

00:57:18.920 And we could say that maybe in a no fault divorce, uh, situation, she, she would still

00:57:23.220 have a claim.

00:57:23.880 There might even be societies in which she wouldn't have had a claim.

00:57:26.980 And none of that's actually the thing being debated.

00:57:29.400 The thing is, you can't be unhappy that your marriage doesn't work if you didn't work on

00:57:33.300 your marriage.

00:57:34.060 This person obviously didn't.

00:57:35.780 And this brings me to the last thing I want to say, which is that you never know out in

00:57:39.660 the, out in the wide world and all the craziness, who, who's actually a good guy and who's a

00:57:44.020 bad guy.

00:57:44.240 I mean, sometimes you know who's a bad guy.

00:57:45.540 It's often hard to know who's a good guy.

00:57:48.400 Would anybody sit down and talk to Pearl?

00:57:50.800 I invited her on the show.

00:57:52.280 I feel sad that I, I actually missed this.

00:57:54.160 I don't know how I'm, I'm, I feel like I'm on the internet, but I missed this trend and

00:57:58.160 I would definitely sit down with her because that makes me sad that a woman not aspiring

00:58:01.540 to marriage, your life gets so much better.

00:58:03.800 I talk about marriage the entire time on my podcast because I want women to know that.

00:58:07.380 And it's, it's not a message that's often reflected in culture.

00:58:10.000 If you look at just this integration of shows, we've talked about this on past backstages,

00:58:14.240 but you know, I grew up watching the Winslows and you know, all that great Nick at night

00:58:17.960 TV, the Jeffersons, and it was all about family togetherness.

00:58:20.620 And now what's being projected on the screens is that men cheating on men, love in hip hop

00:58:25.060 style, you know, uh, real housewives, everyone's crying and hysterical.

00:58:29.020 And the truth is that if you don't have that man and woman coming together in this, in this

00:58:34.300 so in this institution, what you end up with is hyper femininity and hyper masculinity.

00:58:39.520 And neither one of those things is good actually, because what happens when you come together

00:58:43.220 is you have the perfect masculine and the perfect feminine.

00:58:46.500 And I would agree to those men that feel impacted and hurt by what's happening.

00:58:50.580 I very much agree with, I actually believe that we're living in a matriarchy.

00:58:54.980 Um, and that's why I like, it's hell, it's hell on earth right now because women are in

00:58:57.980 charge, even though we're saying we're not.

00:58:59.840 Um, and they're not even mothers, they're likely responding to the matriarchy.

00:59:04.640 I'm radically anti-feminist.

00:59:06.480 You're anti-feminist.

00:59:07.160 I'm radically anti-feminist.

00:59:07.980 I'm like willing to give up, forego voting to let men do it because when women, you know,

00:59:12.200 we just are too emotional.

00:59:13.420 Men are hyper.

00:59:14.200 Yeah, I'm there, like I would do it easily if the boat was up tomorrow.

00:59:17.740 But because hyper femininity yields to really bad things, women's emotions get hijacked

00:59:21.720 very easily.

00:59:22.840 Men's aggression can get hijacked when you get the hyper aggression.

00:59:26.060 When you come together, you weed out those hyper elements.

00:59:28.820 And so I am, I am a marriage stan, as the kids are saying.

00:59:33.320 I've learned his slang.

00:59:34.680 Stan is, stan is a new slang.

00:59:35.880 Have you ever noticed, have you ever noticed that in the old days, like the old movies before

00:59:39.540 even I was born, if you can imagine that, the guys were like small guys, like Humphrey

00:59:44.700 Bogart and, you know, Clark Gable.

00:59:46.740 They looked like guys.

00:59:47.660 And the women looked like women.

00:59:49.080 And then right around the time that feminism had its first surge, which was in the 80s,

00:59:53.180 you've got like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone.

00:59:55.860 I used to sit and think like, who are these guys?

00:59:58.040 All they do is shoot people, you know, like they don't have any romances.

01:00:00.980 You couldn't watch Schwarzenegger kiss somebody.

01:00:02.980 It would be like an act of murder, you know.

01:00:04.420 And it's like, they would have these gigantic guns and I felt like, what the hell?

01:00:08.140 You know, that's, that's actually not a story.

01:00:10.220 I mean, men, you know, it's, it's tough to be a man because you're the guy who has to

01:00:14.220 be in a fight if somebody insults your wife.

01:00:16.200 And, you know, you may not be that guy.

01:00:17.920 You may not be a fighting guy.

01:00:19.900 Those were the old movies.

01:00:21.040 The old movies were guys, A, who were small and normal and just had the guts to do what

01:00:25.980 they had to do.

01:00:26.800 And, and B, also like they, they, they stood, you know, they stood for a thing and they were

01:00:31.320 a thing, but they didn't just, they didn't, weren't just these incredible,

01:00:34.420 So I think you're missing one step only in the Hollywood evolution, if we're going to

01:00:37.460 do this.

01:00:37.820 And that is that you had kind of normal, iconic masculinity in the forties and fifties.

01:00:42.480 And then in the sixties and seventies, you had the feminization of men.

01:00:45.220 And then you have the uber masculinization of men.

01:00:47.180 That's a reaction.

01:00:47.700 Yes.

01:00:48.000 Everything is reactionary.

01:00:48.940 Everything's a pendulum.

01:00:49.800 Women, women, women, when we get to it, man, the matriarchy, one, now that I've said

01:00:56.220 it, you'll see it everywhere.

01:00:57.060 You give them your pinky, you know.

01:00:59.380 So I don't want to talk about news.

01:01:01.940 I led the show by saying, I don't want to talk about news, but something happened since

01:01:05.540 we've been sitting here that merits discussion.

01:01:07.980 And that is that.

01:01:08.800 Is the president still alive?

01:01:09.980 The president is still alive.

01:01:11.540 And that is that Mayorkas just became the first sitting cabinet member since the 1800s

01:01:16.220 to be impeached by Congress.

01:01:17.620 Who did, Scalise got back?

01:01:18.540 Mayorkas, Mayorkas.

01:01:19.300 Mayorkas.

01:01:19.900 Wow.

01:01:20.440 Wow.

01:01:21.060 So by the way.

01:01:21.840 214 to 213.

01:01:23.160 The last one was William Belknap, secretary of war in 1876.

01:01:27.360 That's a bit full.

01:01:27.720 Yeah.

01:01:27.980 You know, I've been waiting for this one.

01:01:31.640 There are going to be a lot of Democrats who start arguing that there's no basis to impeach

01:01:35.400 him because they're merely impeaching him on maladministration, which is not a sufficient

01:01:39.120 cause for impeachment.

01:01:40.180 In the impeachment, the only other time this happened to the cabinet member, it was for

01:01:44.120 failing to fulfill his duties.

01:01:45.960 And in this case, I think one would argue that Mayorkas is being criminally negligent here.

01:01:50.700 He's actually violating the law.

01:01:52.860 And, you know, if you're not going to enforce the most basic law of a country, which is...

01:01:58.280 The spirit of aloha.

01:01:59.440 The spirit of aloha.

01:02:00.900 That's right.

01:02:01.280 You know, it's like Mayorkas.

01:02:02.500 He's just undermining the aloha spirit.

01:02:04.760 You know, then what would...

01:02:06.940 Then there would be nothing to impeach a cabinet secretary.

01:02:09.440 Well, they should impeach Joe Biden for the exact same thing then because he's Mayorkas'

01:02:12.360 boss.

01:02:12.740 Right.

01:02:13.060 I mean, the ultimate responsibility to enforce our borders does not sit with the secretary

01:02:18.620 of homeland defense.

01:02:19.420 That's his homeland security, which is a 20-year-old department.

01:02:24.460 It sits with the president of the United States.

01:02:25.880 Well, so this is why I actually see both sides of the vote in favor and against.

01:02:32.380 So when it comes to impeaching Mayorkas, first of all, he's not going to be convicted by

01:02:36.340 the Senate.

01:02:36.700 So obviously, it's just for show, right?

01:02:38.480 It's essentially the same thing as censure.

01:02:40.020 It's just saying he sucks at his job.

01:02:41.800 And he sucks at his job so much that he shouldn't be in his job.

01:02:44.120 And okay, that's fine.

01:02:45.620 The reality of what it really is, and this is why I support it politically, even

01:02:49.400 if I don't support it in principle.

01:02:50.780 And this is where I'm sort of divided.

01:02:52.020 In principle, I think that you should actually have to allege high crimes and misdemeanors

01:02:54.760 in order to impeach a person, which is why I opposed both of the impeachment efforts

01:02:57.920 against Donald Trump.

01:02:59.280 Even though I radically disagreed with what Donald Trump did between the election and

01:03:02.280 January 6th, there was no high crime or misdemeanor that was actually alleged in

01:03:05.300 that impeachment.

01:03:05.900 Same thing with the first impeachment effort.

01:03:07.280 I opposed both of them, specifically because impeachment up till that time had generally been

01:03:11.380 used for high crimes and misdemeanors.

01:03:13.180 And none were alleged in the actual documents.

01:03:15.600 Here, there was no crime or misdemeanor alleged, as you point out.

01:03:18.820 And so on a principle level, I would suggest, okay, well, you know, then he shouldn't be

01:03:22.700 impeached.

01:03:23.280 However, the rules apply to everyone or they apply to no one.

01:03:26.760 If you're going to impeach Donald Trump twice on the basis of no high crime or misdemeanor,

01:03:30.780 that gun is off the rack now.

01:03:32.220 And now that gun is off the rack, everybody should know that gun can be pointed in any direction.

01:03:36.140 So now it can either be weapons down or it's going to be free fire.

01:03:38.880 That's what this is.

01:03:39.840 Either everyone is going to have to go back to neutral positions.

01:03:43.840 Everyone's now going to learn either stop impeaching people for not crimes or everyone

01:03:48.900 is now impeachable.

01:03:49.880 And that's just the way this is going to work.

01:03:50.960 And by the way, if Republicans were to gain a super majority in the Senate, they would

01:03:53.500 not just impeach, they would remove.

01:03:55.200 Now, on a perfectly kind of Mayorkas level of all this, you're totally right.

01:03:59.260 So I've talked with the, I was talking with Brandon Judd, who's the head of the Border

01:04:01.780 Patrol Union.

01:04:02.720 And he suggested that, you know, he's had conversations with Mayorkas.

01:04:05.940 And he says, like, this is Biden.

01:04:07.920 Like, Mayorkas may have principled bad beliefs.

01:04:10.220 But in the end, these people all work for Joe Biden.

01:04:13.640 And the vast majority of things that even Mayorkas would want to do are being stymied

01:04:16.800 by Joe Biden.

01:04:17.560 It's Biden who's really sitting there and saying, I don't want the border closed.

01:04:20.480 This Remain in Mexico policy is the easiest thing in the world.

01:04:22.640 It's the single most important thing that Biden got rid of on day one.

01:04:25.500 And he opened that border wide open.

01:04:27.080 And he wants the border wide open.

01:04:28.380 And this is on Joe Biden.

01:04:29.320 He should lose the election because of it.

01:04:31.040 Again, if you're going to.

01:04:31.780 Probably the most important thing Donald Trump did as president.

01:04:33.940 Oh, it's clearly the most important thing he did as president.

01:04:35.920 Because actually, if you look at the beginning of his administration, he actually didn't do it right.

01:04:38.740 Like, the very beginning of his administration, he actually had pretty high levels of illegal

01:04:42.120 immigration right at the beginning.

01:04:43.520 And then he realized and he flipped.

01:04:45.540 And he started to actually enforce things like Remain in Mexico, which he negotiated with

01:04:48.380 the Mexican government, which was actually a really good piece of negotiation done by

01:04:51.700 the administration.

01:04:53.440 So Remain in Mexico completely stymied the float of the border.

01:04:57.360 Because if you have to wait for your asylum hearing in Mexico, you're not being released

01:05:01.260 in the center of the country to just escape and run around and never be heard of again.

01:05:04.680 You have to wait in Mexico.

01:05:05.480 You show up.

01:05:05.880 We reject your asylum.

01:05:06.580 And you go back to wherever it is that you came from.

01:05:08.740 By getting rid of Remain in Mexico, Joe Biden turned the Border Patrol service into a ferry

01:05:12.780 service for illegal immigration.

01:05:14.000 That is what they are right now.

01:05:15.360 That is on Joe Biden.

01:05:16.300 It really isn't on Mallorca.

01:05:17.340 So it's a good piece of politicking, is what I'll say.

01:05:19.960 Yeah.

01:05:20.460 What?

01:05:21.920 Why does Joe Biden want the border open?

01:05:25.060 That's the question, right?

01:05:26.120 Because this conversation we're having now doesn't matter.

01:05:27.580 The fact that the mainstream media is now acknowledging that we have a border issue means they already

01:05:30.660 accomplished their goals, right?

01:05:31.960 Because we've been talking about the border for years as conservatives.

01:05:34.080 They ignored it, pretended it wasn't happening, reframed it, said they all needed a home.

01:05:37.860 And now they're all in a mass panic and saying the border needs to be closed, which means

01:05:41.000 that whatever their nefarious goals were, they've already been accomplished.

01:05:44.440 There's a 10 million, 10 million people are in the United States.

01:05:46.980 What is the actual reason?

01:05:48.520 Because it'll give them a permanent electoral majority.

01:05:50.780 Yeah.

01:05:51.400 That seems to me.

01:05:52.040 The great replacement is the thing we're not allowed to say.

01:05:54.560 How dare you?

01:05:55.720 Hey, you, am I sitting next to Dave?

01:05:57.500 Only they are allowed to say that.

01:06:01.200 You are not allowed to say that.

01:06:02.920 It's obviously the voters, but it is also the demographic shift.

01:06:06.680 The fact that it's more non-white people and less white people, they're very much a fan of.

01:06:12.340 As they tell us.

01:06:13.220 As they tell us.

01:06:13.880 They're very clear about that.

01:06:14.680 And that's the reason.

01:06:15.320 I think there are a few reasons.

01:06:16.400 One, as far as why they're starting to realize that the border is a crisis, it's because

01:06:19.180 his numbers got so bad on this thing.

01:06:20.700 Yeah, I think that's right.

01:06:21.440 What they're really trying to do now is suck Republicans into making a deal so they can

01:06:24.440 say, he made a bipartisan move.

01:06:26.000 The issue's off the table.

01:06:27.020 Trump can't run on it.

01:06:27.820 I think that's more of a political move.

01:06:29.520 Because if they could facilitate more illegal immigration, they certainly would.

01:06:32.220 I mean, Joe Biden would love to have more illegal immigrants in the country.

01:06:35.220 And there's a variety of reasons.

01:06:36.740 One of them is actually ideological.

01:06:38.140 The hard left of Joe Biden's base really believes that the United States on a global level

01:06:42.040 is a guilty country and that we should not have a border because people are owed

01:06:45.560 a spot in the United States.

01:06:46.920 You are owed the ability to enter the United States under all circumstances, so long as you

01:06:51.420 claim that you have a rationale for being in the United States.

01:06:53.580 And it doesn't matter if you actually have a legit asylum claim.

01:06:56.340 The United States has unfairly exploited the rest of the world's population, and thus

01:06:59.800 everyone has a slot in the United States.

01:07:01.420 And you hear people talk like this on the hard left.

01:07:03.680 So that is part of it.

01:07:04.400 And Joe Biden is really, really beholden to his far left base because he's so unpopular.

01:07:08.760 If you're writing at 55% of the polls right now, he wouldn't be doing this.

01:07:11.200 I think one of the reasons that he's doing this is because he realizes that his coalition,

01:07:14.460 he's trying to duplicate Obama's 2012 coalition, which is the great sort of mirage that Democrats

01:07:19.220 have been trying to duplicate ever since.

01:07:20.540 Hillary tried to duplicate it in 2016.

01:07:22.260 She couldn't do it.

01:07:22.760 Minorities hated her, and so they didn't show up to vote for her.

01:07:24.860 And a bunch of white people didn't show up to vote for her either, thinking Trump was

01:07:27.320 going to lose, so why bother?

01:07:28.420 And then in 2020, Biden tried to duplicate the coalition.

01:07:31.400 And the only way he could do that was essentially by rigging all of the rules so that 60% of all

01:07:35.320 Democratic ballots could be turned in via mail, which as opposed to 30% of Republican

01:07:39.600 ballots that were turned in via mail.

01:07:40.680 And so you had the single largest increase in voter turnout in modern American history.

01:07:44.900 You went from having 136 million voters or so to 160 million voters in 2020.

01:07:49.620 That is not able to be duplicated.

01:07:51.360 The voting numbers are going to go down this year.

01:07:52.940 What you're going to see is actually those numbers are going to be close to 140.

01:07:55.380 So you're going to lose 15, 20 million voters from the actual vote in this cycle because

01:08:00.120 all the rules changed and because you can't gather the ballots quite as easily.

01:08:03.600 And so what Joe Biden is freaking out about is how does he get the people who are low propensity

01:08:08.120 voters, right?

01:08:08.760 The people who are like 30% likely to vote.

01:08:10.720 That was Obama's magic in 2012.

01:08:12.400 Everyone who's 50% likely to vote is going to vote, and they already will.

01:08:15.020 Everybody's 30%.

01:08:15.860 Can you get those people to vote?

01:08:17.240 The magic for Trump is that he does that with some of the Republican low propensity voters.

01:08:20.420 The problem for Biden is he really, really does not in the absence of all the rigging

01:08:24.000 of the rules in 2020.

01:08:25.280 And so what he has to try to do now is jazz up the minority base and jazz up young people,

01:08:29.900 right?

01:08:30.040 This is why he's caving on virtually every issue to like the most radical people in

01:08:34.400 his party.

01:08:35.060 And so that's another reason.

01:08:36.460 But obviously, the idea that he wants to bring in a huge group of people who will vote,

01:08:40.320 the lie that they're not going to vote because they're illegal immigrants.

01:08:42.500 No, what's going to happen is these are all disproportionately, not all, they're disproportionately

01:08:45.800 young males.

01:08:47.100 And they are going to get married to American citizens who already have status, and they

01:08:50.500 are going to be sponsored for a green card by the people that they marry, and then they

01:08:53.460 will indeed vote.

01:08:53.960 So I want to talk about borders broadly in a minute, something that Michael and I have

01:08:57.720 been talking about.

01:08:58.340 But you said the great replacement, you said demographics, a part of it is that they're

01:09:01.600 trying to change America from a predominantly white nation to a not predominantly white nation.

01:09:06.320 Ben, you've taken a lot of flack online for commenting a couple times over the years

01:09:10.480 that you don't give a damn about the browning of America.

01:09:12.860 What do you mean by that?

01:09:13.740 I don't care about the race.

01:09:14.660 I care about the ideology.

01:09:15.900 I don't think that they care about the race, by the way.

01:09:17.580 I think they care about the ideology.

01:09:18.960 If they could import 200 million liberals from Sweden, I think that they would do it.

01:09:24.120 But isn't the point that just, it's so happy.

01:09:26.460 I'm not saying it's good.

01:09:27.300 I wish we could shift the whole black vote.

01:09:28.680 I wish we could shift the whole Hispanic vote.

01:09:30.200 But it just happened.

01:09:31.240 It just hasn't happened.

01:09:31.880 Well, I mean, but I don't see how that's relevant.

01:09:34.520 In other words, the way that the left likes to slander the right when they talk about things

01:09:37.980 like the great replacement theory is by suggesting that the reason that the right is opposed

01:09:41.580 to mass migration from these countries is because they want fewer brown people.

01:09:44.660 The point that I was making is we don't want mass migration from countries that don't share

01:09:48.040 our values.

01:09:49.160 I don't care whether they're brown, whether they're green, whether they're white.

01:09:50.780 It doesn't make a difference to me.

01:09:51.900 If you come from a country where you are used to gigantic government services that take care

01:09:56.720 of you and you're coming here to be reliant on those government services, or you don't

01:10:00.040 share American feelings about how family ought to work or about how government ought to work

01:10:06.220 or about many of these values, I don't care if you're pulling those people from Latin

01:10:09.600 America, whether you're pulling those people from the most liberal parts of Europe.

01:10:12.600 That doesn't matter to me.

01:10:13.600 The ideology of the people who are coming in matters to me.

01:10:16.380 When I say about the browning of America, again, race is of no relevance to me insofar

01:10:22.900 as it's just race.

01:10:23.700 The ideology matters.

01:10:24.580 This is another area where the right has despaired, though, because they really do believe that

01:10:28.900 there's simply no way to change the way these people think, the people who are coming and

01:10:36.140 think.

01:10:36.720 And so they're just now talking about ethnocentricity in ways.

01:10:41.140 Well, I think they're falling into a trap.

01:10:42.160 Meaning I don't think that they even have to make that argument.

01:10:45.940 Like, I agree that many of the people coming in are not going to change their minds.

01:10:49.260 That's why Democrats are importing them, is because they won't change their minds.

01:10:52.120 I think it would be weird to go to UK, or like, I guess this is happening now, but I

01:10:56.140 do think it would be weird to go to Sweden and then, like, everybody was black.

01:10:59.240 Yes.

01:10:59.420 I don't know.

01:10:59.880 Like, I think it does kind of matter a bit.

01:11:01.840 But those countries are based on race.

01:11:03.720 Yeah.

01:11:04.360 I mean, I'm not saying...

01:11:05.060 It is like...

01:11:05.720 This is an important distinction, I think.

01:11:07.660 Because Sweden is Sweden and has always been Sweden.

01:11:09.980 But what if they just suddenly...

01:11:11.060 Sweden was a cause of race.

01:11:11.500 Yeah.

01:11:11.920 But America hasn't...

01:11:13.260 America wasn't built out of race in the same way that Sweden was built out of race.

01:11:17.840 So, I...

01:11:18.940 It was overwhelmingly...

01:11:20.460 It was...

01:11:20.820 But if you put aside the color of people's skin, it was a bunch of people who had been

01:11:24.860 at war for 2,000 years.

01:11:26.980 The people in Europe were killing each other the entire time.

01:11:30.580 Yeah, but race has everything...

01:11:32.640 I don't want everyone to be Latin American in America.

01:11:34.780 I don't mind, like, a bad person for saying that.

01:11:36.220 Like, am I going on a headline tomorrow?

01:11:37.220 Race has everything to do with it.

01:11:38.760 I mean, Ben, you said that you don't think that they care about the race either.

01:11:41.360 They care about the ideology.

01:11:42.760 I think they very much do care about the race.

01:11:44.520 They really do hate white people.

01:11:46.620 Well, they're building an ideology about race.

01:11:48.400 Right.

01:11:48.820 Right.

01:11:49.060 And they hate...

01:11:50.100 And the white people themselves feel an intense sense of guilt, as you mentioned.

01:11:53.860 And I think a lot of...

01:11:54.540 It kind of goes back to what we talked about with Putin, and he gave this historical answer

01:11:57.160 and all this sort of thing.

01:11:58.240 And you can disagree or agree with that.

01:11:59.280 But he's got, and Russians in general, a great sense of the history of their people.

01:12:05.020 And in this country, white people in particular have no sense of our own history.

01:12:09.440 They feel an intense guilt, like we don't belong here, because they don't understand what

01:12:15.120 actually went into building this country.

01:12:17.260 And they don't have...

01:12:18.060 And this is why I bang on it all the time on my show, that we should have...

01:12:21.660 You know, we came here...

01:12:23.180 Europeans came here and conquered this country.

01:12:27.340 Fair and square, they conquered it.

01:12:29.780 And it took incredible courage and ingenuity to do it.

01:12:33.780 And we should be proud of that.

01:12:34.980 And we should say, you know, this is our country.

01:12:37.580 And this is ours.

01:12:38.660 And it belongs to us.

01:12:40.640 And I think the fact that we don't have that pride in our own history is because we don't

01:12:44.640 have a sense of it.

01:12:44.980 We do have a national identity, and it's gone away.

01:12:47.100 I don't want...

01:12:47.680 Why are we teaching so much Spanish?

01:12:49.560 Like, when we see, like, Spanish signs in certain communities, I don't want to see that.

01:12:51.920 This is not...

01:12:52.600 This is America.

01:12:53.400 You know, if you go back...

01:12:54.260 It did have certain demographics.

01:12:55.780 Like, whether you like it or not, like, obviously, like, this was a country that was conquered

01:12:59.860 by white Christian males.

01:13:01.640 And then you decided to bring over black Americans.

01:13:04.040 So we're here.

01:13:04.740 We're staying.

01:13:05.740 And I do kind of have an issue with, like, this non...

01:13:09.000 This system of suddenly we are importing South America here.

01:13:12.660 And this country feels like it's turning into a Spanish country.

01:13:16.300 I feel like I go to some places and I'm like, am I visiting South America?

01:13:20.220 Is this America?

01:13:21.220 But that's culture, not race.

01:13:23.320 Meaning that if you imported a bunch of white people from Spain, those would be white Christians

01:13:27.300 from Spain.

01:13:28.680 They have a different culture in Spain.

01:13:30.140 They do have a different culture in Spain.

01:13:31.680 That's my point.

01:13:32.220 What we're really talking about is what Democrats like to do is they flatten race and culture

01:13:36.240 and do the same thing.

01:13:37.300 And I don't like to see the right make the same mistake.

01:13:40.380 Meaning that even when we talk about, quote-unquote, white culture, if you're talking about white

01:13:44.080 culture in the United States, what you're really talking about is predominantly men,

01:13:48.140 not of European descent, men of specific areas of Britain descent who founded the country.

01:13:53.340 And then there was serious battle in the United States over the course of its history

01:13:56.500 over, for example, the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Swedish.

01:13:59.940 More Germans migrated to America than from anywhere else.

01:14:05.120 But they had to assimilate into a largely Anglo-Catric, which they didn't assimilate by.

01:14:10.520 If you brought these people over slowly and made them assimilate, I'd be fine with it.

01:14:13.360 I think that's what you're saying.

01:14:14.580 That's exactly what I'm saying.

01:14:15.420 There are certain fundamental principles that you buy in.

01:14:17.540 Is it fair to say that...

01:14:19.220 Can you become an American in the same way that you can become, say, a national Swede?

01:14:23.100 That's kind of the question.

01:14:24.420 And over the course of American history, the answer typically has been, yes, but here's the

01:14:27.660 barrier to entry.

01:14:28.380 You have to accept these principles to become American.

01:14:31.940 But also there was a timing component, which is the melting pot can work if you actually

01:14:37.580 have a melting pot.

01:14:38.520 And if you import more things that are like what's already in the pot and fewer things

01:14:43.500 that aren't, so that the things that aren't become more like the things that are, instead

01:14:47.120 of the thing that is becomes more like...

01:14:48.660 And you teach them that because you're proud of it.

01:14:50.920 Can you assimilate a Guatemalan into America?

01:14:54.120 Yes, of course.

01:14:54.540 Can you assimilate 60 million Guatemalans?

01:14:56.600 That's that area.

01:14:57.200 And you know...

01:14:57.540 And you end up in Guatemala.

01:14:58.580 And this point, I mean, to your point, Candace, it is...

01:15:01.620 Look, we now have...

01:15:03.180 What is it?

01:15:03.700 They want to set the limit at 8,500 people per day.

01:15:06.320 A day.

01:15:07.540 Per minute, I think.

01:15:08.400 I mean, the movement of people into the United States from 1965 to 2015 was the largest movement

01:15:13.880 of people in recorded history.

01:15:15.580 And the numbers have only gone up since then.

01:15:17.120 And so this is, you know, some of my best friends are Guatemalan, okay?

01:15:20.620 Listen, hey, everybody, don't worry.

01:15:22.420 I'm a really nice guy.

01:15:23.720 But, you know, this has been an observation going back to antiquity, which is that immigration

01:15:29.000 is always a destabilizing force.

01:15:32.300 It's the political advice that Dante's grandfather gives him in heaven, in paradise, which is, hey,

01:15:37.640 watch out for migration.

01:15:38.620 It can really destabilize your polity.

01:15:40.340 And so to your point, Matt, when the Democrats are encouraging mass migration, yes, in part,

01:15:44.640 it's because they think they're going to get a permanent electoral majority because these

01:15:47.040 people are more inclined to vote for Democrats.

01:15:48.460 But it's also just intrinsically destabilizing, and it upends the political order.

01:15:53.140 And they think out of that instability, they can craft a new political order after their

01:15:56.260 own image.

01:15:56.820 Right.

01:15:57.060 And the only point that I would add to this is there's a reason why Democrats don't want

01:15:59.780 to import a bunch of Cubans.

01:16:01.520 Yeah, right.

01:16:02.160 That's why they stop the wet foot, dry foot.

01:16:04.020 That's exactly right.

01:16:05.100 Like, they'll open the southern border totally wide to people who are coming from the Northern

01:16:08.360 Triangle in Mexico.

01:16:09.300 But when it comes to Cubans who are trying to escape a communist hellhole, who are going to vote

01:16:11.960 Republican in Florida, then it's like, no, we want no part of these.

01:16:14.800 Right.

01:16:15.300 Yeah.

01:16:15.600 That's why I say, again, it's politics and ideology.

01:16:17.940 Again, this is not an argument for broader immigration.

01:16:19.940 We also live in this weird moment where in the wake of the Second World War, we essentially

01:16:27.240 ascended an international morality based on the permanence of borders.

01:16:32.560 And we essentially said the definition of a good nation is one who never tries to expand

01:16:38.240 its borders.

01:16:39.240 And the definition of a bad nation is one who does attempt to expand its borders.

01:16:43.880 And therefore, anyone who aggresses against anyone else is automatically bad.

01:16:48.820 This was a way that we thought we could keep the peace.

01:16:51.060 But A, no one ever lived by it.

01:16:53.880 America grew its total landmass by over 33% after the Second World War while pretending

01:16:58.820 that its highest virtue was not to do so.

01:17:01.200 So, but also in addition to just the hypocrisy, it just ignores the fact that a nation state

01:17:07.940 is a living thing and all living things grow or die.

01:17:11.540 And so when you lock the borders of a nation, even sort of morally, even if you don't actually

01:17:16.260 live by that standard because we've imported all of Alaska.

01:17:18.880 But when you lock the borders of a nation, you essentially doom it to a kind of death.

01:17:24.740 And now you've taken the energy of expansion, which is a natural, be fruitful and multiply.

01:17:28.760 It's like the original thing that God spoke into life in the garden, even before sin enters

01:17:33.380 the world, be fruitful and multiply, expand, grow, be optimistic, try to advance.

01:17:38.380 You've locked that in.

01:17:39.880 A culture that's locked in begins to die.

01:17:42.140 It begins to fade.

01:17:43.100 It begins to not produce children.

01:17:44.740 And now, especially because we don't have a melting pot, and one reason we don't have a melting

01:17:48.420 pot now is we have a multicultural welfare state.

01:17:51.620 As you grow the welfare state, you cannot have the bottom strata of society become smaller.

01:17:59.240 And so they have to import workers, right?

01:18:02.400 And because Great Britain can't grow anymore, it's lost its animating spirit, and it has

01:18:08.700 to reach out and import half of Muslim Africa into its nation, and now Muhammad is the number

01:18:15.420 one baby name in the United States.

01:18:16.400 No, no, no, no.

01:18:16.880 Let's correct that.

01:18:17.460 Muhammad is not the number one name.

01:18:19.120 It is the number one name, but let me explain how that works.

01:18:21.260 I see people saying this, and this is just so inaccurate.

01:18:23.700 Basically, it's because they all name their children Muhammad.

01:18:25.900 Sure, yeah.

01:18:27.200 No, that's literally why.

01:18:28.280 There's still not more.

01:18:29.060 There's still not more.

01:18:29.800 There's not more of them.

01:18:31.020 Of course.

01:18:31.640 Yeah, all of a sudden our kids are John.

01:18:33.400 That's culturally why they do that.

01:18:35.300 But there's still a lot of them in life.

01:18:36.400 And also, the reason that they're in the UK, I'm sorry, were you suggesting that they're

01:18:41.060 intentionally importing them over to the UK for work?

01:18:43.860 Yes.

01:18:45.260 I think that they have to have, they have to grow their tax base because they're in demographic

01:18:49.500 collapse.

01:18:49.980 Well, they started doing that, but then they had the Syrian revolution.

01:18:53.800 Yeah.

01:18:54.220 They had what?

01:18:54.780 They had that Syrian influx of all of them.

01:18:56.060 Well, there's the humanitarian influence.

01:18:57.680 Yeah, there you go.

01:18:58.220 It kind of started with Libya, and then it's just been like a...

01:19:00.040 Right, but I think I think one of the things that, one of the points that Jeremy is making

01:19:03.060 is that one is sort of an excuse for the other, meaning that they were intent on bringing

01:19:07.040 in vast...

01:19:07.620 I mean, this is certainly true in the United States.

01:19:08.900 We're seeking to import a cheap labor base into the United States and undercut the wage

01:19:11.900 base.

01:19:12.620 I mean, that's clearly something that's been happening economically.

01:19:14.540 We have to listen to the other side when they give us, not to repeat myself, but

01:19:19.980 they will tell us what their reasons are for wanting mass immigration and not enforcing

01:19:24.820 the borders.

01:19:25.680 And the number one thing they'll say is that we don't have a right to have a border because

01:19:29.740 we don't really have a right to the country in the first place because we stole the land.

01:19:33.900 And that's why I think as conservatives, we have to be much more aggressive in meeting

01:19:37.440 that challenge because usually what we'll conserve, either we won't address it or we'll sort of

01:19:42.420 agree with it and say, well, yeah, it happened.

01:19:44.060 It was a terrible thing, but we're here now.

01:19:46.200 I think we have to have a much greater sense of our own history.

01:19:48.920 Oh, Europeans taking over the continent is one of the great things that's happened in

01:19:51.840 human history.

01:19:52.660 But without America, this globe is doomed to be a hellscape.

01:19:57.020 I totally agree.

01:19:58.260 But that's a case that is, I think, rarely made by the right.

01:20:01.260 I agree.

01:20:01.580 Of course.

01:20:01.740 We rarely talk about the pride we have in conquest itself.

01:20:05.760 That's a great...

01:20:06.560 And that's essentially what I'm saying, too.

01:20:08.000 That's what you're saying, too.

01:20:09.040 A nation has to have an expansive animating premise.

01:20:12.260 You know...

01:20:12.920 And if you read Churchill when he's a kid, what's so amazing about it is that he's a completely

01:20:17.540 animated Victorian Britain, right?

01:20:19.500 Like, he's an empire man.

01:20:21.600 You actually are making a radical and really interesting and undeniably true statement,

01:20:28.400 which is that you grow or you die.

01:20:31.400 You know, you read Shakespeare and in all the plays it's always like there's a season for

01:20:34.980 war and there's a season for family.

01:20:37.020 There's a season where you get together and create new people.

01:20:38.920 But the idea that you can stop fighting one another and stop expanding and continue to

01:20:46.060 live with frozen borders actually doesn't work.

01:20:49.920 And the thing about it is, is you kind of hope...

01:20:52.360 What we were kind of hoping for, as the Europeans were hoping for just before they destroyed their

01:20:56.960 culture in 1914, but what they were hoping for was that you do it without violence.

01:21:01.360 You do it through ideas.

01:21:02.440 You do it through cultural appropriation, essentially.

01:21:04.780 You say, you know, take over, you go into a country and say, live like we live and that

01:21:09.720 will be better.

01:21:10.240 And that's the way that you expand.

01:21:12.220 But people don't do that.

01:21:13.960 They like to kill each other.

01:21:15.280 There's another thing that happened.

01:21:17.140 There's something that happened in the 19th century when the United States hit the other

01:21:20.660 coast, right?

01:21:21.080 When the United States made it to the other coast, the kind of exploratory nature of what

01:21:25.680 it meant to be an American ended.

01:21:27.700 And then something else had to take its place.

01:21:29.440 And what took its place was commerce.

01:21:31.240 That doesn't work, yeah.

01:21:32.340 But it actually did for about 100 years.

01:21:35.220 For about 100 years, it actually really did work, which is why America is the commercial

01:21:38.420 republic and the most powerful country on the face of the earth.

01:21:40.840 Yes, we have great natural resources.

01:21:42.180 Also, we kick economic ass.

01:21:44.380 I mean, this country is dominant economically.

01:21:46.740 And that's because we didn't just build out, we built up.

01:21:50.180 Meaning the idea was that we were now going to build economic greatness.

01:21:53.280 The new explorers were not people who are necessarily going to find uncharted lands because all

01:21:57.700 the lands have been charted.

01:21:58.620 They're going to discover new things.

01:21:59.900 They're going to create new products and services.

01:22:01.460 They were going to be like Elon Musk and find Mars.

01:22:03.180 I mean, we were going to shoot for something that was higher.

01:22:07.040 And then we decided that we were complacent.

01:22:08.920 We weren't going to do any of that stuff anymore.

01:22:09.980 What we were going to do is we were going to shuffle around the tiles.

01:22:13.120 Everything was good.

01:22:14.160 We were all prosperous.

01:22:15.160 We were going to create a mass welfare state.

01:22:16.620 And we were basically going to stagnate back into nothing.

01:22:18.780 Well, isn't what you're talking about that we fixed the borders of what was possible

01:22:23.080 economically as much as we had geographically?

01:22:24.860 I think the end of the wilderness, absolutely a big deal.

01:22:28.240 And you're absolutely right that we moved into trade, but we also moved into space exploration.

01:22:32.560 And it was the end of the space program because it was taken over by the government instead

01:22:36.400 of Elon Musk.

01:22:37.440 Because it was taken over by the government, it did a couple of fancy things and then died.

01:22:41.600 But there is this animal spirit that exceeds trade.

01:22:45.580 There is an animal spirit in the human heart and men, basically, that exceeds trade.

01:22:49.860 Well, typically it's invention, right?

01:22:51.160 It's innovation and creation.

01:22:52.360 Trade is not innovation, creation, and expansion.

01:22:54.200 But you can only create more space to trade.

01:22:55.460 Trade gives you a broader market for the presentation.

01:22:58.680 I mean, I'm a supply-sider.

01:22:59.740 What trade does and what broader markets do is they provide you a new space to conquer

01:23:03.440 with new innovations and new products and new services.

01:23:06.560 Because the footprint of the United States is much larger than the land we govern.

01:23:09.460 The footprint of the United States is the fact that everyone wears Nikes everywhere on Earth,

01:23:13.160 that everyone has a McDonald's in their country.

01:23:15.400 So the glories of American capitalism, and I'm not a two-chairs for American capitalism guy,

01:23:20.140 I'm a three-chairs for American capitalism guy, because I think that when people say

01:23:23.500 two-chairs for American capitalism, they're suggesting that capitalism is supposed to fix

01:23:27.040 things like marriage, which is like suggesting that a hammer is supposed to be a screwdriver.

01:23:30.940 Capitalism, for what it is, is the greatest thing.

01:23:33.620 And guess what?

01:23:34.060 It's not everything, right?

01:23:34.960 It's great for the thing.

01:23:35.780 That's the trick, though, isn't it?

01:23:37.040 Yeah.

01:23:37.740 Doesn't it sometimes become an idea?

01:23:39.440 That's why I'm not an Ayn Rand libertarian, right?

01:23:41.020 But what capitalist markets are good for is, for example, things like assimilating new

01:23:47.020 groups of people into your country.

01:23:48.480 So one of the, I mean, if you look at the history of immigration in the United States,

01:23:51.100 what you see is major waves of immigrants who must assimilate, because if they do not

01:23:54.520 assimilate, they will not have welfare dollars, because there are no welfare dollars.

01:23:57.180 When my great-grandparents got here in 1907, my family's been here for 120 years, when

01:24:01.000 my great-grandparents on both sides got here in the early 20th century, they spoke Yiddish,

01:24:05.680 and within about five years, they didn't speak Yiddish no more, and none of their kids

01:24:08.220 spoke Yiddish, because they immediately picked up on the idea that you have to engage in

01:24:12.160 a trade.

01:24:12.740 You have to become more American.

01:24:14.500 You have to actually imbibe from this well.

01:24:16.980 And so we've undercut in this country all of the fundamental bases for a growing and

01:24:22.040 thriving society, and now we're basically just importing new blood from a young-

01:24:24.840 I think what Drew touched on is actually really important, and it's also very true.

01:24:28.760 We're tracing kind of the decline and decay of American culture.

01:24:31.540 I agree that you trace it back to the end of the space age, because there is this need

01:24:38.580 to actually explore physically, and you find that you had the exploration age in the 15th

01:24:44.980 and 16th century.

01:24:46.220 Early 20th century, it shifted to the polar exploration.

01:24:49.840 They were going up to the ice in the North Pole or Antarctica, and just kind of like people

01:24:54.020 were dying, and it was horrible, but you're just doing it because we have to discover something,

01:24:57.660 and then that shifted to like, let's go to the moon.

01:24:59.440 We have to go somewhere and discover something, and then we just shut all that down.

01:25:03.600 Saturn by 70.

01:25:04.720 And the whole thing about growing-

01:25:07.480 I was talking about this the other day.

01:25:09.000 It's incredible.

01:25:09.540 Men have this need in your nature to want to conquest.

01:25:13.920 How does this work?

01:25:15.300 Men are engineering.

01:25:16.560 It just comes very naturally to men.

01:25:18.100 What's out there?

01:25:19.000 What's in the woods?

01:25:19.760 Why is the tornado cutting at me?

01:25:21.640 Women don't have the same instinct, so it's fascinating to hear you guys talk about this.

01:25:25.440 Literally, there's a reason men conquered the world, right?

01:25:27.800 There's a reason for it because it's just naturally what you're predisposed to.

01:25:31.300 You have two boys.

01:25:31.540 You can see a little boy.

01:25:31.660 We're like, I'm down to be in an Amish community and just raise some kids and learn how to bake

01:25:36.220 bread, but you guys do you and figure out how to go to space.

01:25:39.160 And now I say we're also going in reverse because what's happening is we've stopped exploration,

01:25:42.920 and at the same time, we're turning back and either denying or expressing regret over

01:25:48.660 the exploration we already did.

01:25:50.080 We're apologizing for the conquest of America.

01:25:51.800 I think some of that-

01:25:52.440 We're denying that the moon landing even happened.

01:25:54.560 Right.

01:25:54.740 I'm not trying to rope Candace into the debate.

01:25:57.260 Listen, listen, if you want to burn your fan base, it's cool if you want to do it again.

01:26:00.300 If you want to do it again, you just don't know your base.

01:26:02.220 It's cool.

01:26:02.420 I already did.

01:26:02.980 But I think that's part of it.

01:26:04.920 Like, this turning back on our greatest achievements, that never happened.

01:26:08.540 I think something that's self-justifying, meaning I think that since we foreclosed the

01:26:11.960 thing, now we're justifying to ourself as a society why the thing is impossible.

01:26:15.040 Yeah, because we can't go to the moon.

01:26:16.360 They certainly couldn't have gone to the moon.

01:26:18.300 Right.

01:26:18.620 Because we're better than them.

01:26:19.520 And also, we shouldn't go to the moon.

01:26:20.780 Just to go back to what you were saying before, it's not a knock on capitalism.

01:26:24.200 They've always been wrong.

01:26:25.120 It's not a knock on capitalism.

01:26:25.960 It has to be something else and more.

01:26:28.160 This is outside of the values that underlie capitalism, because without the values, capitalism

01:26:32.080 is just selling fentanyl, basically.

01:26:33.820 It's like it doesn't matter what you're selling.

01:26:35.500 But you can't continue to build on the same space forever.

01:26:39.440 You start to build inward.

01:26:40.540 When they say, oh, you know, in order for our economy to thrive, we need more consumerism,

01:26:44.400 that's degrading.

01:26:45.180 It's degrading to the human spirit.

01:26:46.700 Yeah.

01:26:46.780 That's not how you build a society.

01:26:48.580 After a while, I don't want to buy anything.

01:26:50.060 Maybe I just want to live my life.

01:26:51.400 I have enough stuff.

01:26:52.240 You've got to move.

01:26:53.340 You've got to move.

01:26:54.180 For a guy who loves Frank Sinatra, you miss the most important thing that he left us

01:26:59.300 with.

01:26:59.460 It wasn't the music.

01:27:00.620 It was the quote, whoever dies with the most stuff wins.

01:27:03.400 Wins.

01:27:04.120 You know, the thing we're missing, too, one is the kind of a good.

01:27:08.240 I agree.

01:27:08.820 I got too much stuff, man.

01:27:09.860 It's coming out of my.

01:27:10.680 The kind of a good that you actually do want to continue.

01:27:12.880 I assume it's the kind of good that you set on fire.

01:27:14.840 Yeah.

01:27:14.980 You know, like that you burn and then puff.

01:27:17.260 Almost like a cigar.

01:27:18.220 Almost like a Mayflower.

01:27:19.880 The thing that we're missing, though, is I agree.

01:27:24.340 Expanding commerce is a wonderful thing.

01:27:25.820 It's nice to have material goods.

01:27:27.620 It's actually necessary for a.

01:27:29.020 Yeah, it's not just nice.

01:27:30.100 I mean.

01:27:30.260 Yeah, no.

01:27:30.640 It's actually necessary to sustain your life.

01:27:32.480 But the thing we're missing when we talk about American exploration and broader Western

01:27:35.920 explanation is that I think we kind of buy into the left's argument a little bit, which

01:27:40.340 is that they just undertook these great conquests for money.

01:27:44.200 They just did it for plunder.

01:27:45.420 And they didn't, actually.

01:27:46.700 You know, I'm a big defender of Columbus, and I know the guy, maybe he did some bad things.

01:27:51.400 He was not motivated only or even primarily by money.

01:27:55.160 The man was trying to fund another crusade.

01:27:57.340 Okay.

01:27:58.180 The American.

01:27:59.580 One of the great heroes of.

01:28:00.640 Yeah.

01:28:00.880 One of the great heroes of the West.

01:28:01.820 After.

01:28:02.320 Ever.

01:28:03.020 You know, I don't think that Charles Martel was motivated primarily by greed.

01:28:07.360 Okay.

01:28:07.560 I don't think Jan Sobieski was motivated primarily by greed.

01:28:10.120 I don't think the American founding fathers were.

01:28:12.260 Almost all of them were impoverished because of the revolution.

01:28:14.760 Or Neil Armstrong, for that matter.

01:28:15.520 Or Neil Armstrong or any of these guys.

01:28:17.200 You know, they, many of them were undertaking colonial endeavors to spread the faith.

01:28:22.820 You know, they were doing it for the good of everyone.

01:28:26.180 I mean, there were politically incorrect poems written to this effect about the conquests in

01:28:30.060 the Philippines.

01:28:30.520 But they really thought that they were doing good for people.

01:28:33.800 And I think they really were doing good for people.

01:28:35.720 And when you lose that part of it, when you lose a sense of mission for the purpose of

01:28:39.580 man, for what can be done when there is peace on earth and how we can flourish, then you're

01:28:43.220 just left with buying more stuff.

01:28:44.660 And that is degrading.

01:28:45.240 The spirit that gets into a shoebox, which is essentially what Columbus did in sales across

01:28:49.460 the ocean blue, is bigger than the spirit that builds Amazon.com.

01:28:53.740 You know, you have, it's wonderful that there's Amazon.com.

01:28:56.260 It's wonderful that there's entrepreneurs and all these things.

01:28:58.740 Fantastic.

01:28:59.260 It's not a knock on them to say you also have to get into a shoebox and go someplace.

01:29:03.140 And you do it for spiritual reasons.

01:29:05.060 That was a danger that they went through to do it.

01:29:07.460 I mean, just thinking about the journey that they made, not knowing if there was anything

01:29:10.660 there.

01:29:10.900 There was anything there, yeah.

01:29:12.160 You think about Cortez conquering the Aztec Empire with a ragtag group of-

01:29:16.420 One of the great men of history.

01:29:17.640 Right, right.

01:29:18.200 And yeah, I mean, first of all, being motivated partially by resources and you got to get gold,

01:29:23.720 like there's nothing ignoble about that to begin with.

01:29:26.560 But that alone is not going to drive men.

01:29:29.500 I mean, especially you think about what they had to do.

01:29:31.920 You're getting on a ship and going into an unknown ocean.

01:29:35.700 You have no idea.

01:29:36.280 You could easily die on the way.

01:29:37.600 The idea that you would do that just to turn a profit is-

01:29:40.600 No, I mean, again, I totally agree with this.

01:29:42.380 When I say three cheers for capitalism, because capitalism is in the economic box, that is

01:29:45.800 the mechanism by which you can actually effectuate this sort of stuff.

01:29:49.100 But the person in the modern world, so let's look at the modern world.

01:29:53.000 I mean, there's really only one direction to go and that's up, which is what Elon Musk is

01:29:55.540 doing, but all the borders have been drawn.

01:29:57.160 Every land has been discovered.

01:29:58.260 There's no uncharted land.

01:29:59.440 We have satellites.

01:30:00.260 Like we know where everything is at this point.

01:30:02.000 So the question is, what is the modern man to do if he has that exploratory instinct?

01:30:06.320 And this is why I come back to the idea that the difference, maybe no one can be Columbus

01:30:11.140 anymore because you can't unless you're going to actually get in a rocket and go to Mars

01:30:14.700 or something.

01:30:15.300 But barring that, barring like the three people on Earth who are going to be able to actually

01:30:18.580 try that, you're just a normal guy.

01:30:20.260 It used to be a normal guy who would pick up his stuff in New York and then just start

01:30:23.140 going until they found wilderness.

01:30:24.860 But there's no more wilderness.

01:30:25.920 Right.

01:30:26.140 Okay.

01:30:26.620 So what exactly does that guy do?

01:30:28.300 And the answer is, in fact, that he can still combine the desire to do good for people

01:30:32.880 and the desire to serve a holier purpose with commerce.

01:30:36.780 Yeah.

01:30:37.100 That is still there.

01:30:37.920 It's just you can't get in a covered wagon and do it.

01:30:40.600 I mean, there's just no kind of so good wagon.

01:30:42.080 Although I do think one interesting thing about what Elon Musk is doing is that his rocket

01:30:47.720 ship, Starship, which is meant to go to Mars, doesn't seat three people.

01:30:52.940 It seats 100 people.

01:30:54.100 Yeah.

01:30:54.260 And he refers to it as a wagon.

01:30:58.120 He sees it in the same way that those wagons were in the West.

01:31:02.320 I think that, you know, Elon Musk could very well screw all of this up.

01:31:07.060 He's a human being and God has a funny way of knocking men down when they try to reach

01:31:10.520 too high.

01:31:11.580 But right now, Elon Musk is probably the greatest living human.

01:31:15.400 I don't know if he's a good man, but certainly a great man.

01:31:18.000 And his actual desire is not to see a man walk on Mars.

01:31:21.220 His desire is to send hundreds and hundreds of ships.

01:31:25.100 And in the same way, not everybody has to.

01:31:27.040 And having spent some time with him, I can tell you that the thing that is motivating

01:31:30.300 him is not the money.

01:31:31.720 He's got the money.

01:31:32.820 That's not what motivated SpaceX.

01:31:34.340 SpaceX was built as a profit-making vehicle specifically so he could do the thing.

01:31:38.880 Which, by the way, that's true of most great entrepreneurs.

01:31:41.560 Most great entrepreneurs are driven by doing the thing.

01:31:43.900 Right.

01:31:44.180 And they have to make the money in order to do the thing.

01:31:46.080 Right.

01:31:46.360 Right?

01:31:46.540 It's not that they do it in order to make.

01:31:47.800 In fact, this is good business advice for pretty much anybody because we get a lot of

01:31:50.680 people who ask us these questions.

01:31:52.120 One of the biggest mistakes people make is they say, I will do it for the money.

01:31:54.900 If you say you'll do it for the money, you're not going to do it.

01:31:57.100 Okay?

01:31:57.400 You're not going to enjoy it.

01:31:58.200 You're not going to like it.

01:31:58.920 And it's actually.

01:31:59.380 And you're not going to get there.

01:32:00.020 The reason all of us here do the things that we do is because we have a sense of mission

01:32:02.840 about it.

01:32:03.220 And the money is a good byproduct that helps incentivize us to continue the mission.

01:32:06.580 But it's not the reason that we do the thing.

01:32:08.620 We don't do the thing for the money.

01:32:10.920 And so for Elon, right?

01:32:12.140 Elon has this very interesting sort of thesis.

01:32:15.280 He's not a religious person, but there's sort of a quasi-religious justification what

01:32:19.940 he's doing.

01:32:20.300 He thinks that effectively speaking, the reason that.

01:32:23.540 So his sort of guidebook is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

01:32:26.500 Right?

01:32:26.640 He talks very frequently about this.

01:32:28.300 And the punchline of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is what's the meaning of the

01:32:30.780 universe?

01:32:31.080 And they put it in the machine.

01:32:31.980 The machine says 42.

01:32:33.400 And then it says, you're just asking the wrong questions.

01:32:35.900 Right?

01:32:36.000 The punchline is you're just asking the wrong questions.

01:32:37.620 The answer is 42.

01:32:38.900 And so Elon's entire shtick is that, and his entire kind of way of thinking, is that

01:32:42.820 the only way that we can actually discover the meaning of life is to ask the right questions.

01:32:46.560 The only way that you can discover the right questions is to broaden out the number of

01:32:50.400 humans and the number of places those humans are in.

01:32:53.000 He kind of sees human beings, I would say, almost like neurons in a giant brain almost.

01:32:57.060 And so the idea is that if you expand human consciousness onto other planets, or you put

01:33:00.760 humans in different places, and there are more humans, you have more kids, then you're

01:33:03.760 actually going to be asking better questions about that.

01:33:05.760 You may not like that.

01:33:06.620 You may think that's stupid, but that's the thing that's actually driving it.

01:33:09.500 And to tie everything we've been talking about together, to go back to Candace's point about

01:33:12.620 the way men are built, one of the things that happens to men much more powerfully than

01:33:16.960 it does in women is that when we watch something, the same places in our brain light up as the

01:33:21.680 person who's doing it.

01:33:22.620 So when you and I watch football, we have the experience of playing football in our brains.

01:33:27.180 So you don't have to, not everybody has to go to Mars.

01:33:29.460 If 100 people go to Mars, we all go to Mars.

01:33:31.580 And that's one of the things that is inspiring to men, and they see it, and it gives meaning

01:33:36.200 to everything.

01:33:37.180 I grew up in the time of the space age, and it gave meaning to the world.

01:33:40.300 We all thought, oh, we are going to the moon.

01:33:42.920 And we watched that guy walk on the moon, and we all walked on the moon.

01:33:45.240 It is an amazing distinction between boys and girls, by the way.

01:33:47.200 I have two boys and two girls, and my oldest is super-duper smart, reads it at high school

01:33:53.100 level and all this kind of stuff.

01:33:54.140 But when she's talking about space, it's not the same way as my seven-year-old son.

01:33:57.020 My seven-year-old son, when he looks at videos of rockets, or when he's watching, he will

01:34:01.420 literally sit there and just watch documentaries about rockets, because you can see him just

01:34:05.140 absolutely light up in a fundamentally different way.

01:34:07.600 My boys like this.

01:34:08.840 It's amazing.

01:34:09.680 They watch the truck.

01:34:10.360 They watch the truck.

01:34:11.100 I'm like, dude, I don't want to look at the garbage truck.

01:34:13.020 Go find your hat.

01:34:13.700 They love the garbage truck.

01:34:15.100 The freaking garbage truck is like, the garbage man is a hero.

01:34:18.540 Landing, I was thinking about this recently, the landing on the moon was the last moment

01:34:25.380 when the entire country watched something that was good.

01:34:30.840 It was the pinnacle of the pinnacle of it.

01:34:31.500 It was the last moment of national triumph.

01:34:33.460 Has there been, like in my lifetime, I'm trying to think of a time.

01:34:35.920 Taylor and Travis, come on.

01:34:36.620 Yeah.

01:34:37.260 Come for that.

01:34:37.920 They kissed at the party.

01:34:38.920 And that.

01:34:39.780 That's why I realize people are emotionally attached to the moon landing, but we'll save

01:34:42.780 our debate for another day.

01:34:43.880 Why not?

01:34:44.040 Wait, I already had it out with Jeremy, but wait, I want to say something very quickly

01:34:48.240 because I want to add to this point that Ben is making and that we've all been making

01:34:50.320 about the differences between men and women and men wanting to conquest and different

01:34:53.180 things.

01:34:53.600 I will ask you guys this question.

01:34:55.260 Who are the top three most successful men in the world?

01:34:57.740 Just throw in names.

01:34:58.340 Of all time or living?

01:34:59.480 In the world.

01:35:00.040 Living, I guess.

01:35:00.780 Living.

01:35:01.300 Living.

01:35:02.000 Me.

01:35:03.660 And you fail.

01:35:05.560 Elon Musk, certainly.

01:35:06.720 Okay.

01:35:07.140 You can't make the list tonight.

01:35:08.000 Yes, that's correct.

01:35:09.580 Maybe Bezos.

01:35:10.460 Correct.

01:35:12.120 What do you mean successful?

01:35:13.320 You guys are on the right track.

01:35:15.180 One, two, give me a third.

01:35:16.200 Arnold Burke.

01:35:17.060 I don't know.

01:35:17.460 I guess I'm going down a different track.

01:35:18.660 Okay.

01:35:18.980 Now Richard Branson.

01:35:19.920 Great.

01:35:20.160 Perfect.

01:35:20.480 Three.

01:35:20.800 Give me the top three most successful women in the world.

01:35:24.340 Hillary Clinton.

01:35:24.900 Well, sweet little Elisa.

01:35:25.800 I thought it was you.

01:35:26.460 No, no.

01:35:26.800 Come on.

01:35:27.320 It's interesting.

01:35:28.220 Watch what happens.

01:35:29.060 Give me the top three most successful women in the world.

01:35:31.200 Yes.

01:35:31.600 Go ahead.

01:35:31.940 Our favorite artist, Taylor Swift.

01:35:33.840 Okay.

01:35:34.120 That's correct.

01:35:34.780 Give me a third one.

01:35:35.940 Hillary Rodham Clinton.

01:35:37.640 Stop.

01:35:37.960 Give me a real third one.

01:35:40.280 Give me a real third one.

01:35:41.100 I like that you accepted everybody else's garbage.

01:35:42.300 No, fail.

01:35:43.420 Governor Stacey Abrams?

01:35:44.940 Does she count?

01:35:45.480 Give me a third one.

01:35:46.400 Come on.

01:35:46.800 You've got Oprah, Taylor Swift.

01:35:48.560 Sheryl Sandberg.

01:35:49.440 Okay, great.

01:35:50.220 So what's really fascinating, if you look at the list of the most success, if you ask

01:35:53.680 them that question, they instantly give you the richest men in the world.

01:35:56.380 They're the richest men in the world.

01:35:57.260 Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, things that they've built.

01:36:00.020 When you go to women, you instantly start naming what women are good at.

01:36:03.740 Communication.

01:36:04.340 Right.

01:36:04.500 Taylor Swift is a singer, a motion, Oprah is a communicator, and when you look at the

01:36:08.680 list of the most successful, like richest people in the world, the only time women are

01:36:12.500 on the list is because they've inherited wealth, which is fascinating, except for one

01:36:16.500 woman, no one's ever heard her name, and she is the wealthiest, self-earned billionaire

01:36:20.880 in the world.

01:36:21.600 I can't even remember her name.

01:36:22.680 I know she's in my book that I'm writing right now.

01:36:24.660 No, no.

01:36:25.180 She's in my book.

01:36:25.840 It's a Russian e-commerce billionaire, but nobody has ever heard her name because women

01:36:29.820 are not interested in that.

01:36:32.380 Yes, that is her name.

01:36:33.200 And that's really-

01:36:34.080 No, no.

01:36:35.240 I think her name is literally Sabana.

01:36:36.980 It's like something like that.

01:36:37.760 It's a very Russian name.

01:36:39.200 And the reason why I was writing this in the book is just to say that what men and women

01:36:42.420 are interested in is so different.

01:36:43.680 Women decided on who was the most successful women because we listen to Taylor Swift, we

01:36:47.400 listen to Oprah, and they've kind of been able to monetize femininity.

01:36:51.340 Like communication.

01:36:52.420 Taylor Swift tells a story about a boy who broke her heart for the 17th time, and women

01:36:56.480 are like swooned and amazing in his emotion.

01:36:59.000 But when men are great, they're always building.

01:37:01.440 I don't mean to, I'm not trying to sound like Gandhi or something here.

01:37:05.120 But truly, when you ask me that question, who's the most successful man in the world,

01:37:08.100 or certainly the most successful woman in the world, I wouldn't have named any of those

01:37:10.860 people because they're all super rich.

01:37:12.700 I would not count money or-

01:37:15.340 But Taylor Swift and Oprah actually are not anywhere near as rich as-

01:37:17.840 No, certainly not.

01:37:18.440 A billion dollars compared to $200 billion or whatever.

01:37:20.040 But I really-

01:37:20.700 A successful man is not-

01:37:21.840 No, I would consider a successful man.

01:37:23.680 I mean, I gave the answer of Cardinal Raymond Burke.

01:37:26.520 Like, I actually believe that the most successful-

01:37:30.500 You could not pay me to trade spots with the Elon Musk.

01:37:32.460 I wouldn't do it.

01:37:33.200 She didn't ask-

01:37:33.700 No, I didn't ask for you to trade spots.

01:37:35.140 I said they didn't be the most successful.

01:37:36.480 I said, yeah, the most successful.

01:37:37.500 So you want to be a cardinal.

01:37:38.660 I, well, my wife might be-

01:37:40.560 She might be happy, actually, if I became a cardinal.

01:37:42.220 But I just, I really don't, I don't know, maybe-

01:37:45.120 Don't worry.

01:37:45.960 I said in my book, the average person would say Elon Musk, and we all know that you are

01:37:50.940 exceptional.

01:37:51.760 I've said it for years.

01:37:52.940 I just really, like, it does get into our heads a little bit that success is measured

01:37:58.440 by money, and then women's success is measured by being most like men.

01:38:01.680 That's what the whole culture says.

01:38:02.920 I think probably the most successful women in the world are people we've never heard of,

01:38:05.440 present company excluded.

01:38:06.480 It's going to be like some housewife in the middle of nowhere who has the most happy,

01:38:11.020 flourishing, wonderful life with-

01:38:12.640 No, but that's an important person.

01:38:12.960 That's different.

01:38:13.400 Yeah, that's different.

01:38:13.960 I use the word success, and I asked you what your instant instinct is, because it's just

01:38:17.320 interesting that every person I've asked has said the same names.

01:38:20.380 Like, if you say a man, they go Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and it's because they have conquested

01:38:24.680 in a way.

01:38:25.180 The most successful man is the one that has the most kids, but is still married to the

01:38:27.920 wife.

01:38:28.700 I actually agree.

01:38:29.820 So I want to, we promised at the top of the show we're going to take questions from

01:38:34.400 our Daily Wire Plus members, these are the people that make it possible for us to

01:38:37.680 do a show like this, where we just talk ad nauseum about things that aren't even all that

01:38:42.100 interesting to the average soul out in the world.

01:38:45.040 It's because of our Daily Wire Plus members.

01:38:47.000 They're people who've come to us either because they love the shows, they love the content,

01:38:50.600 what is a woman, huge success for the company, Convicting a Murderer, huge success for the

01:38:55.040 company.

01:38:55.780 All of us were in Lady Ballers, which was the huge success of the latter half of last year.

01:39:00.540 And a masterpiece.

01:39:01.080 And truly, truly.

01:39:02.680 Citizen Kane, Lady Ballers, Godfather.

01:39:06.360 Godfather 2.

01:39:06.840 Godfather 2.

01:39:10.060 But we're very grateful to our members, and so we want to hear from you guys.

01:39:12.980 The first question is for Candace.

01:39:16.960 Thank you for the amazing series, A Shot in the Dark.

01:39:19.500 It's impacted the way that I make medical decisions for my child in a big way.

01:39:22.800 Why did you decide to dive into the world of vaccines in the first place, and will you

01:39:26.200 be covering other big pharma corruption outside of vaccines in the future?

01:39:29.780 I'm actually really happy you asked this question.

01:39:31.160 The thing that I am most proud of that I do is actually A Shot in the Dark, and I am

01:39:35.000 really going to push that show a lot this year.

01:39:37.920 The reason that I do this show is because I was vaccine injured by the Gardasil shot.

01:39:42.140 Very traumatizing situation.

01:39:43.620 Totally healthy.

01:39:44.400 No problems.

01:39:45.040 I was 20 years old.

01:39:46.260 Saw the commercials.

01:39:47.040 Everyone should get the shot.

01:39:48.060 Doctor told me to get it, and I had basically a mini seizure in the room getting the shot.

01:39:52.240 Now they have added that you can get a seizure getting the shot, you know, and when I looked

01:39:55.840 into the statistics and I thought to myself, why did I get the shot?

01:39:58.460 Because they just did a commercial and said I should do it.

01:40:00.540 Doctor told me to get it.

01:40:01.580 I actually know nothing about this shot other than a doctor said I should do it, and that's

01:40:05.300 not really a good reason to have a seizure, right?

01:40:07.900 So when I did my research, I was shocked at what I discovered, which is that effectively

01:40:12.800 the lowest chance you have of getting any cancer as a woman is cervical cancer.

01:40:16.520 We covered this in the episode.

01:40:18.040 And I just realized that people are not making informed decisions.

01:40:21.200 And I didn't do this series because I wanted every person to do what I did and not back

01:40:24.880 their children.

01:40:25.380 That's what I ultimately decided not to do.

01:40:26.780 I wanted to do this series so that people could at least have a conversation with their

01:40:30.860 doctor and know something and not be tethered by arbitrary fears.

01:40:34.460 As an example, the tetanus shot.

01:40:36.400 I had a doctor tweet me today, oh, I'm going to be really excited when tetanus shots come

01:40:39.200 back, when tetanus comes back because of Candice.

01:40:41.260 At its peak incidence in the United States in terms of cases, only 550 people in the United

01:40:46.540 States were even getting tetanus.

01:40:48.120 Forget dying from it, even getting it.

01:40:49.860 Most parents don't know that.

01:40:50.880 So it might change your mind about how severe it is for your kid to get 12 tetanus shots

01:40:55.180 and whether or not the risks that they don't give you in the office, which all of them

01:40:58.700 basically say you can have a seizure, is worth it.

01:41:01.520 And I think it was just kind of special timing.

01:41:04.220 I really, I pitched this hard to Jeremy and Caleb, and it was unique timing because I was

01:41:08.880 doing this before the COVID stuff.

01:41:10.580 And now there seems to be people that are interested in wanting to be more educated because so many

01:41:14.140 people were injured.

01:41:15.540 Some people got injured by the COVID vaccine, some people didn't.

01:41:17.940 But I just want people to be informed.

01:41:19.080 And obviously, as a mother now, it's the most important topic to me.

01:41:23.260 Let me ask, Drew, did you vaccinate your kids?

01:41:29.720 My kids?

01:41:30.680 Yeah, the basic vaccines, yeah.

01:41:32.920 Basic vaccines?

01:41:35.240 No.

01:41:37.100 Even the TV?

01:41:38.240 Anything?

01:41:39.840 A couple of them, but not all of them.

01:41:42.140 Not all of them?

01:41:42.640 We started to, like one or two, and then didn't.

01:41:45.100 Then we stopped.

01:41:45.540 Yes, but not, like, COVID.

01:41:49.780 No COVID vax for the?

01:41:51.020 No.

01:41:51.580 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:41:53.500 And I feel like we could have never even said that five years ago.

01:41:56.840 Like, you would just, anti-vax, we get all of them.

01:41:59.060 But the truth is, like, when I was growing up, there was 12 that you had to get, and now

01:42:03.200 it's 74.

01:42:04.400 And that's a lot of vaccines.

01:42:05.680 And so we should be having this discussion, and people should be able to say yes to some

01:42:09.380 if they want to, no to some if they don't want to, and not have to wear, you're an anti-vaxxer

01:42:14.120 like a scarlet letter.

01:42:15.260 Which, by the way, I am an anti-vaxxer, and I wear it like a scarlet letter.

01:42:17.700 I'm very proud of myself.

01:42:18.920 But I never encourage in this series.

01:42:20.760 We've done really amazing work here with the Shot in the Dark series.

01:42:23.960 We use only sources from, like, the CDC, you know, NIH, above board.

01:42:28.520 We're not on Reddit feeds, even though I am on Reddit feeds.

01:42:31.060 That's not what we're giving you.

01:42:32.480 And I'm just glad that moms are really responding to it and feel more.

01:42:35.480 What about covering other big pharma corruption?

01:42:37.520 Yeah, we actually just started the birth control series.

01:42:39.440 I'm also radically against birth control.

01:42:40.660 Let's go.

01:42:41.000 Now we're talking, baby.

01:42:41.680 I've been pregnant for three years.

01:42:43.160 Just kidding.

01:42:44.180 No, I really haven't.

01:42:44.980 She has been.

01:42:45.740 That's not a joke.

01:42:47.260 That's true.

01:42:47.660 But that's another thing.

01:42:49.040 Women are now increasingly infertile.

01:42:52.020 They don't know why.

01:42:52.740 And just thinking about, I only did birth control for a month.

01:42:55.520 And I just thought it was weird that everywhere I went to the doctor,

01:42:58.200 they were like, birth control.

01:42:59.340 And I was like, you have a pimple.

01:43:00.540 Birth control.

01:43:01.300 You're tired.

01:43:01.800 Like 12-year-olds.

01:43:02.180 Birth control, yeah.

01:43:03.620 And now that they're passing laws that 12-year-olds can decide

01:43:06.300 without their parents there.

01:43:08.260 And you're not thinking about, when you're 12, your fertility.

01:43:10.680 Because you just think you're going to live forever.

01:43:12.100 You don't care if you're going to have kids.

01:43:13.820 You're making decisions that, right on the insert, it says,

01:43:16.060 this can give you breast cancer.

01:43:17.580 This can, you know, impact your fertility.

01:43:20.200 These are very serious decisions.

01:43:21.280 Impact who you fall on.

01:43:21.740 Impact who you fall on.

01:43:22.600 Fall in love with.

01:43:23.060 That's also a fact as well.

01:43:24.460 You pursue more effeminate men because it's tricking your brain.

01:43:27.940 It's a brain drug.

01:43:29.400 It's tricking your brain.

01:43:30.200 The hypothalamus region of thinking that you're pregnant.

01:43:33.640 Do you really want a 12-year-old to think they're pregnant until they're 30

01:43:36.380 and they're ready to have kids?

01:43:37.340 And you think that's not going to have any impact?

01:43:39.140 Common sense tells you, obviously, it's going to impact your body.

01:43:43.280 So it's a, you know, we've just shot six episodes regarding birth control,

01:43:47.020 and we're going to keep going.

01:43:47.680 So let's see the next question, please.

01:43:49.640 The next one after this one.

01:43:51.940 Scrub to the, whatever it is, right there for Michael Benn.

01:43:55.780 If Biden is ousted from office and Kamala becomes president,

01:43:58.920 do you see her becoming the Democratic nominee or someone else?

01:44:01.620 If someone else, who?

01:44:03.400 If Biden's ousted, meaning like impeached and convicted, that'll never happen.

01:44:06.360 Like he dies right now.

01:44:07.220 Like he died or 25th Amendment or something.

01:44:09.280 Yeah, the thing is they would probably have to, they wouldn't want to pick Kamala,

01:44:14.060 but I don't see how they push out the first black.

01:44:16.300 Well, if Biden were to die, God forbid, nobody wants to see that story play out that way.

01:44:22.860 They wouldn't have to do anything.

01:44:24.320 The Constitution makes her the president.

01:44:25.800 But would she be the nominee?

01:44:26.800 And if she were the president, she would be the nominee.

01:44:28.980 100%.

01:44:29.380 I think there's no way that they would, they would try to oust her because they know she's

01:44:33.120 a terrible politician.

01:44:34.160 However, if, I think if she were the president, they wouldn't even try to oust her.

01:44:39.140 I do know that right now there is a move afoot to have her step down as vice president and

01:44:44.480 to pay her a five-year, $100 million deal to run a foundation for the next five years.

01:44:50.640 So she would make $20 million a year.

01:44:52.440 That's because they know that there is the possibility that Joe Biden won't be able to

01:44:56.560 run for president.

01:44:57.320 Maybe not likely, but certainly possible.

01:44:59.380 And they know how deeply unpopular she is.

01:45:01.720 And the Democrats are in a real bind because if they set aside Kamala for, say, Gavin Newsom,

01:45:07.560 their entire coalition falls apart on them.

01:45:09.440 Yeah.

01:45:09.680 Which is why I truly believe that there is a 25% chance that Michelle Obama is the next

01:45:14.060 president.

01:45:14.420 She doesn't want it.

01:45:14.860 I think she's-

01:45:15.480 She does not want it.

01:45:16.140 Doesn't want it.

01:45:16.680 But you say she doesn't want it.

01:45:19.160 Everyone wants it.

01:45:20.540 It's one thing to say she doesn't want it in a way that would cause her to run for president.

01:45:24.340 I agree.

01:45:25.340 Michelle Obama would never leave her cushy life of being universally beloved to run for

01:45:29.940 president.

01:45:30.340 But if Joe Biden is incapacitated and they need someone who can preempt Kamala Harris,

01:45:38.400 which can't be Gavin Newsom, assuming that they can't get Kamala to step down by paying

01:45:42.800 her off, they have one option.

01:45:45.360 And that option is to put the ring on the table in front of Michelle Obama and say, you don't

01:45:50.260 have to run for president.

01:45:51.520 But there's a general.

01:45:52.160 It will be unanimous consent at the convention.

01:45:55.380 But there's a general.

01:45:56.280 She's not going to want to be in that general.

01:45:58.220 She will not run for president.

01:46:00.060 If they put the ring of power on the table and say, unanimous acclimation at the DNC,

01:46:06.720 she will never attend-

01:46:07.800 The percentage is higher than-

01:46:08.880 She will never attend a single rally.

01:46:12.600 Well, maybe a few rallies.

01:46:13.960 She'll never attend a debate.

01:46:15.180 That's correct.

01:46:15.520 Certainly not.

01:46:15.980 She will just sit back and wait to be elected.

01:46:18.280 And I believe we would not, if that were to happen, we would not be able to stop her.

01:46:22.140 I agree with that analysis.

01:46:23.820 Listen, it's terrible.

01:46:25.100 I hate that that's true.

01:46:25.860 That's what I believe.

01:46:26.540 She would just say no.

01:46:27.680 There's a lot-

01:46:28.240 I think they would go to her.

01:46:29.360 But I think she would say no.

01:46:30.420 Because she wants to have a private life now.

01:46:32.840 There's now, they've released everything about her husband being a homo.

01:46:36.120 It's a lot.

01:46:36.900 It's just a lot for her and her kids to go through.

01:46:38.760 Does America really need the second black man?

01:46:41.100 No.

01:46:42.740 Thank you, Media Matters, for watching the show tonight.

01:46:47.200 For Ben, 2024, would you ever vote for an independent?

01:46:50.900 I think this is an RFK Jr. question.

01:46:52.840 I mean, so it's-

01:46:54.020 I would just vote for a song.

01:46:54.620 I would not vote for RFK Jr. above Trump.

01:46:56.200 I mean, if the candidates are Trump, RFK Jr., and Biden, I'm voting Trump.

01:47:00.040 If there were another independent who better represented my values-

01:47:03.720 Cornell West.

01:47:04.600 Yeah, obviously.

01:47:05.600 I love Cornell.

01:47:06.360 Jolstein.

01:47:06.800 Yeah, exactly.

01:47:08.600 I don't care about the party labels.

01:47:10.500 I care about the ideology of the candidates who are running for office.

01:47:13.580 And the possibility of this winning.

01:47:15.040 Yes, yes.

01:47:16.000 I mean, like throwing away your vote on somebody who's likely to degrade the vote of the person

01:47:19.440 who I think would actually have a shot.

01:47:21.060 It's why I don't vote third party.

01:47:23.700 So, yeah, I think that the chances are really low.

01:47:26.620 Ironically, I actually thought that the smartest thing during the Super Bowl was that RFK ad.

01:47:30.140 I thought that RFK ad was quite brilliant during the Super Bowl, even though I have no intent

01:47:33.740 to vote for him.

01:47:35.280 I thought that what he was actively doing in that ad was effectively making a Make America

01:47:39.500 Great Again argument.

01:47:40.780 He was running a 1960-

01:47:42.100 I mean, I knew that because I studied this stuff.

01:47:43.780 I knew that ad immediately.

01:47:45.140 Like, I knew that that was a Kennedy jingle.

01:47:46.720 I knew it was from 1960.

01:47:48.060 Like, I recognized all of it.

01:47:49.000 I could sing along with it.

01:47:50.180 So, but you don't have to.

01:47:51.580 You can see the aesthetic of it was obviously a throwback to 1960.

01:47:54.960 It was his face plastered above where his uncle's face once was, using all the imagery

01:48:00.040 of a bright, sunny future for America.

01:48:02.260 And so he actively was basically saying, make America great again, but do it through me.

01:48:06.080 And then the key was, vote independent.

01:48:08.220 And the polls show Americans really hate both parties.

01:48:10.660 Like, really, really, really hate both parties and do not like either of the main candidates

01:48:14.260 for the presidency.

01:48:15.460 I mean, Republicans, I think, are, I think we've convinced ourselves that Joe Biden has

01:48:18.660 no shot at the presidency.

01:48:19.760 And I think that's a wild supposition.

01:48:21.860 Joe Biden is a dead person, and he has a very good shot at the presidency.

01:48:25.000 That does not mean that he's going to win.

01:48:26.200 But it does mean that this is going to be a very, like right now, 86% of Americans say

01:48:31.060 that Joe Biden is too old to be president of the United States.

01:48:33.720 And right now, in the real-court politics polling average, he's within a point and a

01:48:37.440 half of Donald Trump.

01:48:38.540 That should not be happening.

01:48:40.100 If you were running at 86%, 86% of people think he's dead, and he's still within a point

01:48:43.740 and a half.

01:48:44.120 Trump should be up on him 10 points at this point.

01:48:46.200 And so what that says is that both parties are really dissatisfying the American people.

01:48:49.980 And so if there were a sort of a more mainstream independent candidate who just said, I'm running

01:48:56.680 as an independent, I don't like you.

01:48:58.040 If Ross Perot were running this election cycle, he'd be president.

01:49:04.040 For moi.

01:49:05.920 I've been keeping up with the production diaries for the Pendragon cycle, and it looks so cool.

01:49:10.200 Do you have a favorite memory from filming?

01:49:12.300 I loved coming home.

01:49:15.760 I can't speak highly enough about coming home.

01:49:17.980 I was seven months last year, all told, in Europe, six of them, more or less contiguous

01:49:23.640 with the one exception of coming home from my grandfather's funeral and the Lady Baller's

01:49:28.940 premiere, which happened to coincide.

01:49:32.080 It was an amazing experience, Italy and Hungary, both in their own unique ways, wonderful places,

01:49:40.040 very welcoming to us, the food, unbelievable.

01:49:43.740 It was incredibly difficult.

01:49:45.540 If I were to say, so coming home really was a wonderful thing.

01:49:49.400 It was nice to be finished with it.

01:49:51.040 But I will say that one of my favorite things about making the show, obviously our cast was,

01:49:58.100 I mean, when you guys see the actors, you're just not going to believe how terrific they

01:50:01.720 are.

01:50:01.960 But my far and away favorite memory from the show, we were at this place called Fasanova

01:50:07.480 Abbey, which is actually where Thomas Aquinas died.

01:50:12.760 And it's this beautiful abbey south of Rome in these olive orchards, the whole mountain's

01:50:19.140 covered in olive orchards.

01:50:21.820 And my first favorite memory is that the day after Lady Ballers, I shaved because I had

01:50:27.880 that silly Robert Downey Jr. goatee.

01:50:31.820 And the next day I got on a plane and flew straight to Rome where they picked me up from

01:50:35.260 the airport and took me to Fasanova to scout it.

01:50:37.340 And we scouted this abbey.

01:50:38.760 And as I drug my almost dead carcass to the van, I hear someone say, is that Jeremy Boring?

01:50:45.160 And it was a priest of the abbey who was of Argentine extraction who recognized me without

01:50:51.920 my beard.

01:50:52.540 And I just want to point out that when I got home that night that I'd shaved my beard,

01:50:56.500 my wife didn't recognize me and almost shot me.

01:50:59.360 So I couldn't, so of course it was very gratifying, but my favorite memory was being at the abbey

01:51:03.320 many months later shooting a scene in which 50 background actors had to sing this song

01:51:09.860 that we had written for the episode.

01:51:12.180 And we're in this beautiful 12th century church and 50 people raise up their voice in this

01:51:17.080 vaulted cathedral type building singing this song that we had written in unison.

01:51:22.060 Of a deeply important part of Welsh lore.

01:51:26.760 It was just one of those moments you'll never replicate in your entire life.

01:51:30.520 Just hearing that beautiful building filled with a melody and lyrics that you had penned.

01:51:36.480 It was just a phenomenal, a phenomenal moment.

01:51:39.040 One that I'm sure I'll treasure for however much longer I get to live, which if I keep

01:51:42.980 making shows like the Pendragon side, it'll be long.

01:51:45.800 For Michael, we're going to take a couple more.

01:51:47.780 What is your opinion of matchmaking?

01:51:50.040 I met my current boyfriend.

01:51:51.300 Yes, we're both Catholic.

01:51:52.580 We have a matchmaking site and we're planning on marrying next year.

01:51:55.040 Do you think this could be a viable option for people who are serious about marriage and family values?

01:51:59.880 Totally.

01:52:00.480 Frankly, you asked me because I'm Catholic.

01:52:02.400 Probably Ben is the better one to ask about this.

01:52:04.160 Because people ask about the online sites and I say, I didn't do it.

01:52:07.660 I just missed it.

01:52:09.000 But I'm not totally opposed to it.

01:52:11.400 That's just how people date today.

01:52:12.820 I don't think it's ideal.

01:52:13.820 We're incarnate beings.

01:52:14.640 I think it's better to meet in real life through flesh and blood relations.

01:52:18.100 And it's a little safer and it's probably more conducive to happiness.

01:52:22.320 But that's the way people date now.

01:52:23.820 And so if you're going to do it, better to do it in a very intentional way.

01:52:27.240 Ben, are you a yenta?

01:52:28.100 Find me a fine?

01:52:28.800 Catch me a catch?

01:52:29.440 Yeah, I've fixed up some couples before.

01:52:30.920 Yeah.

01:52:31.280 Yeah, really.

01:52:31.900 So first of all, if you are in a community with a lot of other couples, this sort of stuff comes up pretty frequently.

01:52:37.160 There'll be somebody who's single that you know and then you ask your friends.

01:52:40.300 So do you know anybody who's around that age who might be a possible match?

01:52:43.940 And it's something that in our community is really huge.

01:52:46.420 Like we really try to facilitate this because how else are people going to meet each other who are compatible values-wise?

01:52:52.360 I mean, frankly, I think it's a great way to – it's why I think single people should join churches specifically for this purpose.

01:52:58.920 Not just because there are singles events at the church but because you're going to meet married people and the married people have sisters and brothers.

01:53:03.340 And those people are going to say, I have a brother, I have a sister, and you really should meet that person.

01:53:07.280 And that's how – I mean, that's how everybody used to meet.

01:53:09.160 And that was a much better filtering mechanism than going to a bar or something.

01:53:12.960 I match-made two people that are getting married this year.

01:53:15.640 And also, I played the youngest daughter in Fiddler on the Roof, so I got that reference.

01:53:19.860 Tradition.

01:53:20.560 Yeah.

01:53:21.040 Everyone needs a yent up.

01:53:22.020 I played Rolf.

01:53:23.160 Did you?

01:53:23.660 Yeah.

01:53:23.880 We would have gotten married if we were in the same production.

01:53:25.380 That is so crazy.

01:53:26.720 I played Rolf in The Sound of Music, which is a different – that's actually a totally different subject.

01:53:30.520 Well, if we ever stayed in agreement.

01:53:31.460 Right, right.

01:53:32.580 You know, the other piece of advice, though, on this that no one ever makes because no one gets married until they're like 55 now,

01:53:38.380 it's fine.

01:53:39.000 There's ways to do it.

01:53:39.780 It's okay.

01:53:40.180 Just get married.

01:53:40.980 You'll have a good life.

01:53:41.600 Young love is great.

01:53:43.940 Young love is really good.

01:53:45.120 I married my high school sweetheart, and it's – you never hear this from conservatives,

01:53:50.920 but if you're doing a sweet little high school dating thing, your entire culture is going to tell you,

01:53:55.540 you've got to split up.

01:53:56.340 You can never get married.

01:53:57.120 Don't marry your high school sweetheart.

01:53:58.260 It's crazy.

01:53:59.400 It's really great, actually, and I highly recommend it.

01:54:02.020 In fairness, your wife wouldn't, and anyone who had a chance to marry your high school sweetheart would have been lucky to have done so.

01:54:07.860 Yes.

01:54:08.320 Matt, this question is for you.

01:54:09.660 Why do you not seem to grasp – wow, this seems aggressive.

01:54:12.100 Oh, man.

01:54:12.440 Goodness.

01:54:12.560 Why do you not seem to grasp that millennials were sold an American dream that doesn't exist anymore,

01:54:16.900 and that's a bad thing in spite of some of the woke takes on it?

01:54:19.820 Yeah, you boomer.

01:54:21.800 I love that, Matt, it's an angry question.

01:54:23.920 Why am I –

01:54:24.340 Has there ever been a single angry question?

01:54:26.480 Of course it goes to me.

01:54:28.080 I'm not exactly sure what –

01:54:29.460 What did I say that's –

01:54:30.380 I have a sense of this.

01:54:31.820 Suggest that I don't grasp that.

01:54:34.140 They say you're a boomer.

01:54:35.280 They say that any time you see one of these videos of a millennial sort of lamenting their station,

01:54:41.380 you always have a kind of –

01:54:43.300 Get off your ass and go do something.

01:54:44.120 Get off your ass.

01:54:44.780 Oh, yeah.

01:54:45.020 Yeah, I mean, look, I totally grasp the situation that young people are in, that we're all in,

01:54:52.040 that the economy is in bad shape,

01:54:53.540 and I understand all that.

01:54:54.900 I also understand that working is hard and that it's not fun,

01:54:59.440 and especially if you're working like an office job where you don't really –

01:55:03.540 To work is hard.

01:55:04.900 To work a job that you don't care about is even harder psychologically.

01:55:09.880 My only point is that, okay, yes, that is all true.

01:55:16.100 Now what?

01:55:16.980 So now that we've agreed that the American dream is dead, everything is terrible,

01:55:20.540 everything is awful,

01:55:21.180 we all got a bad deal,

01:55:24.100 the world is a horrible place.

01:55:26.260 Okay, good.

01:55:26.800 We're all on the same page.

01:55:28.640 What's the next step?

01:55:29.900 What are you doing next?

01:55:30.840 And my radical suggestion is that you can either lay down in a heap on the floor

01:55:35.940 and cry yourself to sleep and wither away and die.

01:55:39.560 Like, that's one option.

01:55:40.460 Or you can just get up and get back to work and deal with it because those are the only two possible options.

01:55:47.520 And so everyone that gives me one of these, frankly, bullshit questions, it's like, I grasp it,

01:55:54.200 but what is your other –

01:55:55.620 Bro, don't raise your voice.

01:55:57.240 It wasn't my question.

01:55:58.660 I'm the messenger.

01:55:59.740 What they'll say is you're right on the individual level, but that we can also address the political problem.

01:56:05.820 Yes, we can.

01:56:06.360 Hold on a second.

01:56:07.400 We can address the political problem.

01:56:09.200 Let's address it.

01:56:10.400 Fantastic.

01:56:11.400 But tomorrow you still have to wake up and do something,

01:56:16.040 and that probably involves going to work,

01:56:18.840 and you can go to work and you can cry the whole time and whine about it,

01:56:22.200 or you can make the best of your situation and you can say –

01:56:24.900 you know what you can say to yourself?

01:56:25.720 You can say, you know what?

01:56:27.740 Everyone else is crying about the fact they have to go to work.

01:56:30.880 They're putting in minimal effort.

01:56:33.400 They're lamenting it.

01:56:34.360 They have a bad attitude the whole time.

01:56:36.000 I will take advantage of that situation,

01:56:38.020 and I will be the one who is ambitious and has a goal,

01:56:42.140 and I'm in there, and even though I hate it, I put a smile on my face.

01:56:44.540 You could climb above all these people.

01:56:46.180 It's like when you go to the – every time you go to a fast food place these days, right?

01:56:51.960 Like, unless you go to Chick-fil-A, you go to a fast food place,

01:56:56.440 you feel bad when you walk in the door because they hate you for being there.

01:57:00.120 The employees aggressively hate you just for walking in the door.

01:57:04.620 And when the bar is that low, if you are a fast food employee, and I get it.

01:57:09.580 I work these jobs.

01:57:10.360 I hated it.

01:57:10.900 But if you just show up on time, tuck your shirt in, you're pleasant to the customers that come in.

01:57:17.200 If you just do that, you already are rising – you're creaming the crop already.

01:57:22.860 And so my message is one of, like, hope.

01:57:27.000 I don't understand why people don't see that.

01:57:29.040 This is a hopeful message of take control of it.

01:57:31.220 This is the baddest thing ever.

01:57:33.680 Mr. Hopefulness.

01:57:34.460 It's the delivery.

01:57:35.580 Is it not?

01:57:36.140 I totally did.

01:57:36.760 It is.

01:57:37.300 What am I missing?

01:57:38.280 Well, you missed one thing, which is that In-N-Out Burger also has friendly employees.

01:57:42.160 Okay, fine.

01:57:42.620 But also –

01:57:43.460 And Arby's.

01:57:44.080 Can I say one other thing?

01:57:46.400 Another point I want to make is that whenever I talk about this, I get accused – people accuse me –

01:57:51.420 well, you don't understand.

01:57:53.160 You know, you were born with a silver spoon.

01:57:55.900 Give me a break, okay?

01:57:56.640 I was – I grew up in a family of eight, very middle class.

01:58:01.000 We lived in a four-bedroom house with eight people.

01:58:03.860 I'm not saying we were poor.

01:58:04.820 We were not rich at all.

01:58:05.720 You walked uphill in the snow both ways.

01:58:07.320 We did.

01:58:08.500 I worked all of these jobs when I was – when I was 22 years old, I was making $17,000 a year.

01:58:15.200 I was living in a one-bedroom apartment that had roaches all over the place.

01:58:18.280 I had a drug addicts living, you know, next to me and below me.

01:58:20.720 It was terrible.

01:58:21.640 So I get it.

01:58:23.040 I do understand it.

01:58:24.080 But at a certain point, you have to say to yourself, this is the situation I'm in.

01:58:28.020 I don't want to be in this situation anymore.

01:58:30.340 What do I have to do to not be in it?

01:58:32.900 And then you set that goal for yourself and you obsessively pursue it until you achieve it.

01:58:37.920 And if it takes a year or if it takes five years or ten years –

01:58:40.620 By the way, you're totally right.

01:58:41.740 That stupid defense mechanism, which is that if you're successful now, it must have been that you were born with a silver spoon, is so obnoxious and stupid.

01:58:48.620 I mean, to take the example of Elon Musk again, Elon Musk was not like an emerald scion.

01:58:52.940 That's not true.

01:58:54.080 He was, like, dirt poor.

01:58:55.180 And he came to Canada and was, like, driving around in a car with no money and somehow, like, finagled his way into an apartment and a school.

01:59:04.960 And, I mean, that's true for, I think, a huge number of us.

01:59:08.180 None of us?

01:59:08.920 By the way, I get that same crap.

01:59:10.360 I mean, I grew up in a –

01:59:11.640 Your mom was a movie producer.

01:59:13.340 She –

01:59:13.960 Rich.

01:59:14.180 My mom started off as an education major secretary at the lowest level of her company.

01:59:18.480 And my dad was a musician in Hollywood, which does not make any money, okay?

01:59:21.840 Let me be very clear about this.

01:59:23.060 It's why I'm not a musician.

01:59:24.200 It's because you cannot make money at that.

01:59:26.080 I grew up in a two-bedroom household with four kids.

01:59:29.020 There were six people in a two-bedroom household and one bathroom.

01:59:31.140 It was 1,100 square feet in Burbank.

01:59:32.880 We were like, you know, it's great.

01:59:34.780 That's America.

01:59:35.400 That's fine.

01:59:36.040 That's not, like, living high on the hog.

01:59:38.580 But the assumption in the United States is always, and I find it ugly, that if somebody

01:59:42.420 succeeds financially, it's because they started off financially successful.

01:59:46.080 And that's not true, statistically speaking.

01:59:47.880 It's really, really not true.

01:59:49.420 A huge percentage of people who end up being rich did not start off rich.

01:59:53.480 There is something kind of funny.

01:59:54.840 It loops into the –

01:59:57.440 I'm just –

01:59:57.820 I'm heated because I'm being challenged by the question.

01:59:59.400 Yeah, you're a boomer.

02:00:00.780 It loops into the question of marriage, too.

02:00:02.440 Yes, it does.

02:00:02.840 The same thing happens with marriage.

02:00:03.500 If you have a successful marriage, they say, well, you don't understand because you have

02:00:05.500 a successful marriage.

02:00:06.100 You're lucky.

02:00:06.500 Well, don't you understand that I understand more because I have a successful marriage?

02:00:10.120 Don't you want to know how I managed to be married for 12 years and have six kids?

02:00:14.260 Like, aren't you interested to know that?

02:00:16.520 It's not an egotistical thing on my part.

02:00:18.340 I want to tell you what goes into it.

02:00:21.020 It's not easy, but it can be done.

02:00:22.680 There's kind of an irony.

02:00:23.440 I think in defense – not in defense, because I actually 100% agree with you, but I also

02:00:28.660 see – like, when I see these videos of the girls crying on TikTok, I just go back

02:00:32.780 to this matriarchy.

02:00:33.460 Right, and I do feel bad for them because the truth is, is that men are wired to do

02:00:38.360 the same thing day in and day out in a way that women are not.

02:00:42.960 And I think that a lot of these women go into – come out of universities where you're

02:00:47.720 forced – I was forced to take a feminism 101 class.

02:00:50.660 You've got culture booming at you that this is going to be so great when you get out and

02:00:54.300 that this is going to be empowering.

02:00:55.560 And then reality smacks women so hard because it's women that are cosplaying as men, right?

02:01:01.200 So you're not the man that has to cosplay as a woman.

02:01:03.060 It would be like if society kept saying to you, Matt, just stay home and listen to

02:01:05.780 people – babies crying all day.

02:01:07.280 Stay home.

02:01:07.720 And then you get there, you suddenly realize, I'm not really wired to do this.

02:01:11.520 So they're just kind of having their freakouts in real time of recognizing that they've

02:01:14.880 been sold a bill of lies and, like, they would much rather be living –

02:01:17.860 That's absolutely the case.

02:01:18.700 And so it's men versus women.

02:01:20.240 I do feel bad for them, but I also agree with you that crying on the internet about it

02:01:24.180 and trauma dumping, as they're calling the new trend, is not going to fix your scenario.

02:01:28.900 But you could get married younger and skip –

02:01:30.500 You're 100% right in everything that you said.

02:01:32.240 The only thing that I'll say, though, is that for a lot of these young women that are

02:01:35.220 complaining, one of the things that they're complaining about is that they don't have

02:01:38.640 enough free time and that they have to do a lot of work and it's very hard.

02:01:41.040 And my point is that, yeah, a lot of them would be much happier if they just got married

02:01:45.440 and had kids.

02:01:46.420 But if you do that, guess what?

02:01:48.040 You're going to have even less hard free time.

02:01:49.920 You're wired for it.

02:01:50.740 Women are wired for it.

02:01:51.460 So my – and you probably would agree, but when a baby cries, men, the way that they

02:01:56.500 hear that is a lot different than the way women hear it.

02:01:59.080 Men are like, just make it stop.

02:02:00.780 And women are like, I want to go make this better.

02:02:04.180 All of that is absolutely true.

02:02:05.160 But my only point is that no matter what you do in life, it's going to come with work.

02:02:09.120 To live is to work.

02:02:10.660 Life is work.

02:02:12.300 It always has been.

02:02:13.300 People that try to blame it on capitalism, that's ridiculous, prior to the industrial age.

02:02:17.060 Your whole life, you woke up at dawn, you were out on the farm, you came home when

02:02:20.640 it was dark, you went to bed, you hardly had anything to eat.

02:02:22.960 There were more feast days, though.

02:02:24.680 There were more days.

02:02:25.300 True.

02:02:25.700 But every –

02:02:26.600 It's only leisure now.

02:02:27.800 Leisure was not a thing.

02:02:28.660 We have this expectation.

02:02:30.180 This is one of the things built into these videos is that, well, they want to have a

02:02:33.520 lot more free time.

02:02:34.300 They want to have free time in a way that has never existed for the human race ever.

02:02:38.320 Because free time for us means I want to spend hours every day doing nothing at all

02:02:44.000 and having no responsibilities at all.

02:02:45.560 And my only point is that that kind of thing has never existed for anyone that's not on

02:02:49.880 the table for most people.

02:02:50.740 My only – I agree with basically everything that's been said.

02:02:54.800 That's why God literally had to say, take a day off.

02:02:57.600 I agree with everything that's been said, other than we used to have more feast days,

02:03:00.800 we used to have more common goods, so we used to have more, like, nice cathedrals, so

02:03:05.180 poor people could go see big, beautiful art and go participate in beautiful liturgy.

02:03:07.720 They were a lot poor, to be fair.

02:03:09.200 They were super poor.

02:03:10.460 They were poor, but everyone was a lot poor.

02:03:12.680 Super – everybody was a lot poorer, but – so I agree with all of this stuff.

02:03:16.660 However, all of us here, to your point, Matt, none of us grew up rich.

02:03:21.560 I guess, Drew, you grew up, like, a little bit richer.

02:03:23.800 More probably than the rest of us.

02:03:24.900 And then you chose to be poor.

02:03:26.540 You chose to be the poorest by becoming a novelist.

02:03:28.740 We all – you know, I talked to a buddy of mine the other day who's pretty successful.

02:03:32.140 And he said – I said, it's so crazy, man, because he handles some of my financial stuff.

02:03:36.120 And he said – I said, it's so crazy, man.

02:03:37.620 I went from making no money to Ben promised me my check is in the mail, so I'm telling you,

02:03:41.500 you know, it's coming, so just wait for it.

02:03:43.500 And he said, yeah, yeah, but, you know, you, like me, like all of us, basically worked for

02:03:47.500 free for, like, years, you know, and now we make significantly more money.

02:03:52.020 So I think there's something to that.

02:03:53.600 Just, you know, grind really hard and have a vision of where you want to go and do all

02:03:57.220 of that sort of stuff.

02:03:58.100 But to quote the new leftists who are very successful at changing the culture, and maybe

02:04:02.480 conservatives can learn from them, as Chris Ruffo writes about in his new book, the fear

02:04:06.800 is that if you merely accept those conditions that we all agree are terrible, the degradation

02:04:11.840 of the family, the degradation of political order, it dulls the revolutionary spirit.

02:04:16.720 And so while we should do that and we should grind hard and get married and work hard and

02:04:19.720 do all this stuff, we should also have an eye toward the political order and say, hey,

02:04:23.660 you know, Hungary says you don't have to pay taxes if you have more than three kids.

02:04:27.900 That seems like a good way to encourage family.

02:04:29.940 Hey, maybe we can have – maybe we can close our borders.

02:04:32.380 Maybe we can do things that would improve the actual economic conditions in the country.

02:04:36.480 What you're talking about is what Jordan has been talking about and why he's so successful

02:04:40.260 and why he deserves that success is that he says, you know, make your bed, fix your world.

02:04:45.420 Your world has to – you have to fix your world before you do anything with the real world.

02:04:49.620 Because if you can't do that – I mean, these guys who, you know, throw tomato sauce on

02:04:53.860 paintings because then that's going to save the climate have lost that simple idea that

02:04:59.080 you have to start with yourself.

02:05:00.140 You just have to.

02:05:00.660 But also, it also just underscores the point I was making earlier about men and women

02:05:04.020 defining success in a different way.

02:05:05.220 So I think if a man goes to work and he climbs the ladder, it feels like success or like I

02:05:09.760 can be the best at here.

02:05:10.700 But for women, that sharing compassion is how they measure success.

02:05:14.900 And so even if you've got kids screaming around you all day, you feel like you've had

02:05:18.740 a successful day.

02:05:20.140 And most of these women are at office jobs and they're just realizing I'm not – I don't

02:05:25.420 feel successful at what I'm doing.

02:05:26.880 And they're kind of, unfortunately, in the internet age and they're crying online.

02:05:32.640 But you're absolutely right.

02:05:33.540 I mean, you're right.

02:05:34.360 What else are you going to do?

02:05:35.440 What I should do is wrap the show.

02:05:36.900 But instead, I want to give Drew the last question because I've never done that a single

02:05:40.300 time.

02:05:40.780 And because I actually think this is a question that matters going into 2024.

02:05:44.880 Drew, the stress that politics creates is beginning to cause strife in my marriage.

02:05:51.460 Do you have any advice leading into 2024 to keep a healthy balance between being involved

02:05:55.740 while also not letting it break our marriage apart?

02:05:58.240 Signed, Jill Biden.

02:06:01.620 Well, yeah.

02:06:02.340 First, I would take out the being involved with the politics.

02:06:04.920 I mean, if you're having a problem with your marriage, get rid of as much of the politics

02:06:08.440 as you can.

02:06:09.280 Forget about it.

02:06:09.820 Just take a walk.

02:06:10.680 Make love to your wife or your husband, whoever you are.

02:06:12.640 You know, just do the things that are marriage instead of the things that are politics because

02:06:17.220 you can actually eliminate politics from your life and be perfectly happy without them.

02:06:21.740 In this world, it is difficult to do that.

02:06:24.080 I acknowledge that.

02:06:25.200 And so if you have to talk about politics with your spouse, which is probably a mistake,

02:06:29.680 talk about principles.

02:06:30.920 Don't talk about people.

02:06:32.040 Don't talk about Trump did this and Biden did that.

02:06:34.040 Talk about the things that you believe and why you believe them and discuss them in a loving,

02:06:38.420 polite way and then go have sex and take a walk.

02:06:41.260 Because really, the sex and the walk are much more important than who gets elected president.

02:06:45.220 I agree.

02:06:45.600 And I would add one thing, which is have hope, have a sense of agency, have a belief that

02:06:50.940 God unfolds history, not man.

02:06:52.740 And I'll tell you something that's helped me is I've, my whole life, we've said every

02:06:56.340 presidential election is the most important election of our lifetime.

02:06:59.600 This is not the most important election of our lifetime.

02:07:02.100 2012 was the most important election of our lifetime.

02:07:04.500 And we lost it.

02:07:06.120 And the work that's before us now, the work that we have to do because we lost 2012 is

02:07:10.580 a generational work.

02:07:12.040 And knowing that it's a generational work doesn't mean that we don't need to win this

02:07:14.700 election.

02:07:15.080 We do need to win it.

02:07:16.400 We might not.

02:07:17.640 That's not, we have to just put one foot in front of the other, take the steps, cast

02:07:22.580 the vote, do the things that you need to do, and know that hope lies right out there

02:07:27.040 beyond this moment that we're in.

02:07:29.400 I have to make one last point.

02:07:30.820 I wish you would.

02:07:31.280 When I arrived here, I was the only hopeful person.

02:07:34.140 Now you're all hopeful.

02:07:34.980 My work here is done.

02:07:37.540 That's a great, Drew's work here is done.

02:07:39.780 That's a great note to end on.

02:07:44.420 Please don't go near, even near any stairs.

02:07:46.540 Yeah, really.

02:07:47.400 Thank you, everybody, for hanging out with us tonight.

02:07:49.520 We will see you on the next Daily Wire backstage.

The Michael Knowles Show - February 13, 2024

Daily Wire Backstage： Red Pillers are Wrong. Marriage is Good.

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