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00:00:48.760 Welcome to Daily Wire Backstage. We are here tonight with Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh.

00:00:56.960 I am not the God King Jeremy Boring. I am Michael Knowles. Jeremy is in the jungles of Burma

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00:01:34.260 down there after this. I have to tell you, fellas, heavy is the neck that wears the key.

00:01:40.680 How did you get this promotion? Can I just ask that? We've never had any conversation.

00:01:44.340 Would you let me explain this? I can totally explain this. You ready?

00:01:46.700 Okay. Dude's a Nepo baby. He's clearly a Nepo baby. Okay, can I give you the career trajectory

00:01:52.460 of the person who sits to my right? Here's his career trajectory here at the Daily Wire.

00:01:56.220 Hired as head of social media and marketing. He then spent the entire time as head of social

00:02:01.180 media and marketing, not doing social media and marketing, but instead fielding audition calls

00:02:05.100 for TV shows and movies that never were actually filmed.

00:02:07.760 Yep. Yeah, that's true. Unfortunately, one of them was filmed. That's a story.

00:02:11.540 That's a whole different thing. And then failed upward into having a show and now has failed

00:02:16.620 upward into inheriting this seat. That's not fair, Ben. You forgot my 2017 number one national

00:02:22.920 bestselling blank book, Lurbed by you. Lurbed by me. I'm to blame.

00:02:27.480 And while he had these cushy jobs at LA, I was literally in my car in a parking garage doing

00:02:34.600 a webcam video. And you still are. You're just running away from the trans activists now.

00:02:38.520 He did do my tweets. He did do my tweets. That's true.

00:02:40.780 Jors did my tweets and he did an imitation of me so good that I used to read his tweets

00:02:44.180 to find out what I sounded like. Well, I actually don't, I don't know how much longer I'm going

00:02:48.640 to be here because I think we should be honest. Really?

00:02:50.780 Well, yeah, we have to be honest because the real reason Jeremy's not here is because he has

00:02:55.660 been indicted, the God King, along with... He's got my vote, damn it.

00:03:01.680 The leader of the political opposition, in love him, hate him, feel neutral, no one feels neutral

00:03:07.320 about him. Donald Trump has been indicted. That's, is that crossing the Rubicon?

00:03:13.840 Well, I mean, it seems there, how many Rubicons do we get to cross here?

00:03:19.260 How many rivers are there?

00:03:20.820 I mean, we're now living in, you know, just more evidence that we're living in a simulation

00:03:24.460 since about 2013. But yeah, I mean, this is, in political terms, it is the breaking of the

00:03:30.980 break glass in case of emergency for the Democrats. I really think that it's a bit of

00:03:36.780 political maneuvering by the Democrats for a variety of reasons. It's basically all wins

00:03:40.740 for them here. If Trump gets indicted and if he gets arrested and he gets charged and

00:03:44.860 he gets convicted, they get their big win, which is what they always wanted, which is

00:03:47.800 Donald Trump behind bars. If he gets acquitted, then they just claim that Donald Trump is

00:03:51.700 super corrupt and that's how he was able to get out of it. They're also jogging Republicans

00:03:55.360 into voting for him in the primaries, which is obviously what they want. I mean, the members

00:03:58.360 of the media are not being shy about this. They're just saying it out loud now that

00:04:00.840 they want Trump as the nominee because they think, for better or for worse for them,

00:04:04.000 they may be wrong. They think he's the most beatable. And they also get the ratings out

00:04:07.740 of it. They're making tons of money, which is why you saw them today covering Donald Trump's

00:04:11.120 plane, leaving Florida and going to New York like it was the Ford Bronco and OJ was in the

00:04:16.180 back. And it really was. It's like on every channel, it's a plane, a plane that is moving

00:04:19.800 slightly. And like, wow, look at that plane. It's a plane and it's made of plane. But in reality,

00:04:25.720 what they've done now is this will be the new norm. Whatever Democrats do becomes the norm.

00:04:29.960 So back when Harry Reid was the Senate majority leader and he decided to kill the filibuster,

00:04:34.980 it was only a few years until we were now putting in place a Republican nominee with a sheer majority

00:04:40.720 having killed the judicial filibuster. So if the new standard is you get to prosecute the political

00:04:44.440 opposition, do you think there won't be a D.A. who's going to prosecute Joe Biden after he leaves

00:04:49.320 office or a D.A. who's going to prosecute Hunter Biden as soon as you have a lot of time to prosecute

00:04:54.440 Joe? So that must be. Yeah, it might be, you know, post post. That seems a little. I hope that's

00:05:01.780 correct. That seems a little optimistic to me. I'm not sure if the I mean, that's generally the

00:05:06.040 Republicans when it comes to something like this, the Rubicon is crossed and Republicans say, well,

00:05:10.580 if we do it, then they're just going to escalate it even more. So we're not going to act.

00:05:14.220 You know, if we were hypothetically to do this thing, they would hypothetically do to us what they

00:05:20.040 are already actually doing. Although I have to say, this is bad. You know, I mean, it is when you

00:05:25.840 when you say you've broken this, what is it, like 230 year precedent? And we don't know what's in the

00:05:31.140 indictment. Nobody's read the indictment, but it better be so bad. I mean, the guy better have

00:05:36.720 machine gunned like his political enemies in a garage. What I don't understand, he wouldn't be

00:05:40.880 prosecuted. Not New York. Yeah, he could. That's the irony. He literally could have shot somebody on

00:05:44.900 Fifth Avenue and he would not have been prosecuted. It is true. What I don't understand is

00:05:50.000 the charge is that he paid off Stormy Daniels in 2016 and that this was an improper campaign

00:05:57.320 contribution. But and they're comparing it to, say, John Edwards or somebody like that. But in this

00:06:01.880 case, didn't Trump use his own money? So if it's any kind contribution, isn't top of the check on

00:06:07.840 the, you know, that little thing on the check where it says, what's it for? OK, so the actual case that is

00:06:13.280 being made against him is a novel political theory. So basically a novel legal theory. First of all,

00:06:17.940 let me just say his taste. If indeed Stormy Daniels did have an affair with him, his taste

00:06:22.400 in women is, as always, impeccable. But putting that aside, the actual legal case here goes something

00:06:28.420 like this. They're claiming falsification. They're 34 counts. They're claiming at least

00:06:31.860 falsification of business records. The idea being that he hid on his legal records for tax return

00:06:36.040 purposes this payment. But that's a misdemeanor in New York. Misdemeanors in New York expire after

00:06:40.260 two years. This would have happened back in 2016. So statute of limitations would have run.

00:06:44.060 If it was a campaign finance violation in the state of New York, statute of limitations is five

00:06:48.200 years. So the statute of limitations still would have run. So in order for them to spin this into

00:06:52.940 a federal into a charge that withstands the statute of limitations, they have to claim that it is a

00:06:59.020 misdemeanor violation of federal of records law. But it's linked to a crime that survives the

00:07:06.040 statute of limitations, namely federal campaign finance law. So the claim is that he bribed Stormy

00:07:11.440 Daniels to shut her pie hole. And he did it right before the election. And he did it

00:07:15.060 through Michael Cohen as a cutout. And it should have been reported as a federal campaign

00:07:20.100 contribution. If he had reported it like on his forms, if he had said like federal campaign

00:07:24.880 contribution to Stormy Daniels to keep her pie hole closed, if he had done that, no problem.

00:07:29.420 But because he did it personally, this is a way of avoiding federal campaign finance law. So he

00:07:33.060 falsified the business record in order to avoid federal campaign finance law. Now, that's a really

00:07:36.560 weird theory. Because again, that's a federal crime that should theoretically be prosecuted at the

00:07:40.660 federal level. And they're trying to wrap a state level crime that should have already expired into

00:07:44.040 the federal crime in order to make it survive the statute of limitations. Even the New York Times

00:07:47.220 says this is a novel legal theory. Even Cyrus Vance, who was the former DA in Manhattan, says this is

00:07:52.640 who did not prosecute him, says this is a novel legal theory. The federal government did not prosecute

00:07:57.180 him when the federal government was looking at this stuff under both, you know, well, well, it was

00:08:01.640 Trump's DOJ, but, you know, obviously he wasn't in charge of his own DOJ. And and well, it was

00:08:06.460 Biden's DOJ as well. None of this really came up for debate. And so the question is,

00:08:11.840 like, what is new that has arisen? And the answer so far is nothing. It's also reliant that gets to

00:08:15.620 the evidentiary weaknesses of the case. It's reliant on the testimony of essentially two

00:08:19.220 people, one Stormy Daniels, because Trump denies that he ever had an affair with Stormy Daniels in

00:08:22.220 the first place. But there's a letter from her also kind of denying it. But also, she was seeking

00:08:25.440 money for it for years. Right. So there was that. So she's not like the world's best witness.

00:08:29.880 And then the other witness is, of course, Michael Cohen, being a liar.

00:08:33.920 So these are not exactly like wildly locked down charges. The thing that Alvin Bragg is counting

00:08:40.020 on is something very, very simple. This is a Manhattan jury. End of story. They're going to

00:08:44.240 convict him. Right. And then unless he gets a change of venue, they will. Unless unless he gets

00:08:47.740 a change. I was talking to Alan Dershowitz today. And Dershowitz, of course, has been, you know,

00:08:50.980 sort of working with the defense team for for Trump. And Dershowitz was saying that Trump is going to

00:08:56.080 file for a change of venue to Long Island or to Staten Island or like somewhere else that is not

00:09:01.540 Manhattan. And and that if that if that does not happen, then the chances that he is convicted are

00:09:05.900 very, very high. Now, the chances that he goes to jail are still fairly low, because, again,

00:09:10.100 that the penalty for this, they're going to attach a bunch of they're going to charge 34 things and

00:09:13.660 hope they get one. Right. Theoretically, he gets probation or something, but it won't matter if he

00:09:18.280 spends five minutes behind bars. Then the idea for the left is that they have they have won.

00:09:22.060 And again, I think this is only the beginning. I think that now that now that Bragg has done this,

00:09:26.200 the taboo on doing this is now over. So I think the chances are significantly higher

00:09:29.660 that the D.A. in Fulton County ends up indicting him on charges of trying to obstruct the 2020

00:09:34.840 election in Georgia. I think that's the chance. There are all kinds of things that could happen,

00:09:38.380 though, that would be incredibly beneficial to Trump's candidacy, at least in the primaries.

00:09:44.380 I mean, he could this case could be thrown out of court. You know, the other thing, one of the

00:09:49.000 things that's the worst thing that happens to him. What's that? That's the worst thing that

00:09:51.060 happened. Oh, I don't think so. The best thing in the primaries. Right.

00:09:53.180 In the primaries. Yeah, I think it's a win. No, I think it's a win. No, I think it's a win.

00:09:56.380 No, I think the primaries, the primaries, the longer this goes on, the better for him because

00:09:59.740 it's all it's all wins for Trump. Right. I'm saying that if this if this goes out of the headlines,

00:10:04.600 people forget about it in four months. If this doesn't get thrown out of court and this lasts

00:10:07.920 as it's expected to all the way through the election, Republican voters are going to correctly

00:10:12.080 see this as a political prosecution and then they are going to vote for him. I'm asking you to see it

00:10:16.020 in the poll. I'm not sure I agree with this. I understand that idea. And you may you may be right.

00:10:20.460 One of the things that bothers me about this is because nobody knows what's going to happen.

00:10:24.140 You want to bring an actual charge, not a novel theory, especially a theory about something

00:10:29.020 that Hillary Clinton was charged. Did exactly the same thing, covering up and misregistering

00:10:34.260 a payoff to her lawyers to get the steal report, which was then passed illegally to the FBI,

00:10:40.020 who then used it wrongly. I mean, so all of that. And she got fined for it. So all of that.

00:10:45.000 But, you know, it is tawdry. And if it goes on and if it drags on, Trump is now out of control.

00:10:51.020 Trump now no longer. I mean, I say now out of control as if he were in control before,

00:10:55.480 but he was more in control before he was focused on speaking for the people who felt they had not

00:11:00.940 been spoken for. That was his great genius. That was the thing that made Trump Trump in the first

00:11:05.460 election. Now he doesn't talk about anything but the fact that he you know that he's been robbed

00:11:10.180 and that gets very boring. It becomes a kind of Lenny Bruce scenario of him standing out there

00:11:15.080 reading the charges, the transcripts against him, where you just start to kind of fade away.

00:11:19.180 I don't know. I think if this drags on, it actually could start to hurt Trump. I'm not I'm

00:11:23.080 not as sure as you are about about that. But if it's thrown out of court, it's another Trump

00:11:26.920 victory the way he has done. I think that over and over again, the case that Trump has to make

00:11:30.720 because I agree with you, the risk is that his entire campaign becomes entirely about his own

00:11:35.940 vindication. And then it's not about the little man anymore, the American people. But we have to

00:11:41.340 keep making the case that, you know, they're coming after me means they're coming after you,

00:11:44.260 which I think he does. But after a while, how long can you continue that? You know, my thing with

00:11:49.100 this is obviously they're looking for a reason to charge him. And we all know that if his name

00:11:53.840 was Donald Smith or whatever, they wouldn't be doing it. If we live the only way I'd be okay with

00:11:57.700 this is if we lived in a if this is an alternate universe, we lived in a country where we hated

00:12:01.900 politicians so much that we were constantly looking for ways to get to put all of them in prison.

00:12:06.000 Right. And so we're always making up new crimes.

00:12:08.680 Instead of dancing with the stars.

00:12:10.180 Right. It's like that world, I'd like to live in that world.

00:12:12.320 That sounds great.

00:12:13.060 And that would mean that Trump is just like number 1000 in a line of politicians who go to jail.

00:12:17.000 But this is the one time where the system has shown any interest in holding any of these people

00:12:21.540 accountable. And it's for the most ticky tacky.

00:12:23.860 Well, the DA came into office literally saying, I will prosecute Donald Trump.

00:12:27.140 And when you do that, and then you go prosecute Donald Trump, it obviously is a political

00:12:30.140 hit on him. And again, I have a hard time believing that Democrats don't know this quite well.

00:12:36.000 I think they are corrupt and I think that they are bad, but I do not think they are stupid.

00:12:40.620 I think that this checks a bunch of boxes for them. And again, the polls show what the polls

00:12:45.920 show. And what the polls show is that whenever Trump is hit with something like this, whether

00:12:49.000 it's the FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago or whether it's this, that there is an immediate rally around

00:12:53.120 the Trump effect that obviates all other candidates. Now, as you say, it may age poorly. It may be that

00:12:58.220 in three months, nobody wants to talk about this again. And I can see that because, again,

00:13:01.580 the public sort of mind shifts after about four days on every single topic.

00:13:05.480 But if it seems like there's another indictment coming down every five minutes against this

00:13:10.580 guy, and it feels like the Democrats have decided to train every ounce of fire they

00:13:14.120 have on him, then the natural reaction for the Republican base is going to be, this is

00:13:18.920 the person that we need to get behind. And you're seeing that. This is one thing that I've

00:13:23.860 sensed. And again, everybody knows my feelings about Trump, right? I mean, I'm at best-

00:13:28.020 You love him. He's very handsome.

00:13:29.440 I mean, I voted for him in 2020. If he's the nominee, I will very likely vote for him again

00:13:34.600 in 2024. But in terms of personal character, I have great ambivalence about Donald Trump

00:13:38.380 as a human being. And I don't think that his general habit is worthwhile paying off porn stars

00:13:41.940 or actually, believe it or not, sleeping with them while your wife is pregnant. I think these

00:13:45.240 are bad ideas, just generally speaking in life. But put all of that aside, the general sense

00:13:50.140 in the Republican electorate is that people really, really like Ron DeSantis. They like a lot

00:13:54.240 of what he's doing. They like that he is winning over there. They like a lot of his policies.

00:13:58.200 But they want to love Trump. They want to. They want to. And even when they don't, they want to.

00:14:02.660 And they're waiting for the moment to feel that again. And it feels like that pretty much

00:14:06.480 everything Trump does, right? When he went to Ohio and he was talking to the folks in-

00:14:11.780 East Palestine.

00:14:13.720 East Palestine.

00:14:14.280 East Palestine.

00:14:14.760 Right. The outpouring of sort of love for him and support for him in the aftermath of that,

00:14:19.920 which was basically just a simple political slam dunk. It really was. I mean,

00:14:22.720 like he did it great. It was wonderful and good for him. Windmill jam. But it was not like-

00:14:26.960 And Biden didn't do it.

00:14:27.740 Right. And Biden didn't do it. But again, all credit to Trump for doing the thing that he could

00:14:30.820 do. And good. But the outpouring of support for him so far surpassed anything that would

00:14:35.180 have been for any other Republican candidate. It's hard to overcome that if you're any other

00:14:38.740 candidate, especially when Trump is at the center of the news, which is, I think, why so many

00:14:42.160 members of the Democratic Party, again, believing that Trump is the most beatable Republican,

00:14:46.100 are making him the center of the story again. And, you know, we'll have to see also

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00:14:59.660 When powerful interests want to push their agenda, who's to say they couldn't get big

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00:15:58.360 more. So I totally agree. I totally agree on your point that when Trump was in East Palestine,

00:16:03.020 it was the best he's looked because, to your point, Matt, he was not talking about himself. He was

00:16:08.240 talking about somebody else. Everyone loved it. And I think that the other thing that Trump is playing

00:16:13.240 on right now is just contrast with the rest of the field and the rest of the GOP. He's been

00:16:17.880 releasing these policy videos. And whether you love the policy, whether you hate the policy,

00:16:22.940 whether you think Trump even loves the policy, he's come out and said, everyone else wants free

00:16:27.260 trade. I want protectionism. He used the phrase mercantilism for the 21st century. You know,

00:16:33.400 everyone is saying we want victory in Ukraine. He's saying I want a negotiated peace. Get rid of the

00:16:37.620 war. These are he's drawing a clear distinction with the rest of the field. And his numbers are

00:16:43.360 looking good. His numbers are way up. Are you really going to try to spin this into Donald

00:16:47.160 Trump on policy? Yes. No, no, no. It's a fair point. You know, you don't know. He's been attacking

00:16:53.860 Ron DeSantis. He says Charlie Crist is a great governor of Florida and I'm never going to reform

00:16:57.380 in title. No, my other side of this, on the other side of this, as the first person in this

00:17:01.620 organization to announce that he was voting for Donald Trump, right, the first person. I'm sick of

00:17:05.720 him. And I got to be and I get hit by this. You know, people are writing to me and they're angry

00:17:09.980 at me. But I'm really tired. The guy has become who they said he was. And he was not always who

00:17:15.880 they you know, he actually had an idea. Yeah, he was the guy at the end of the bar who saw things

00:17:19.620 differently. He saw things the way that people saw them. The people have been just excoriated by the

00:17:24.920 elites for 50 years. And he spoke up for them, which nobody on the Republican side had thought to do

00:17:31.200 since Reagan. I mean, it really was a big deal. But now he's just lost that. Maybe he can get it

00:17:37.640 back. Maybe he can recover. And as you say, if he's the nominee, yeah, well, I vote for him. Of

00:17:42.060 course I will, because I'm not going to vote for a bunch of baby killing child, you know, butchering

00:17:46.520 maniacs, you know. But but still, still, there's something about him that is not he's not the man

00:17:51.300 he was. Well, I mean, well, so one one question, I think, is going to be, again, how many iterations

00:17:55.460 of the he's being victimized narrative come up? Because because good question, if that keeps

00:18:00.460 coming up, it's going to generate support. So one of those questions is going to be, for example,

00:18:04.760 I think whatever's happening now is really bad. It's going to get exponentially worse if they

00:18:08.360 issue a gag order on him. Yeah. If they put a gag order on this case, that is going to be such a

00:18:12.400 disaster. Because then they could put him in jail, right? I know it didn't know. So if he violates the

00:18:16.060 gag order, theoretically, they could. Yeah. But I'm not even talking about if he violates it. The simple fact

00:18:20.240 if they if they seal the indictment and then put a gag order on him as to what's going on in

00:18:24.200 court, the amount of illegitimacy that people are going to suspect inside the system is

00:18:27.940 extraordinary. And they're not going to be wrong. Can he go to the Supreme Court with that? Isn't

00:18:31.220 that a yes, he can appeal that he can send it up the chain. But then the problem becomes, let's say

00:18:35.960 the Supreme Court overrules the gag order. So what does the left immediately say? And the left

00:18:39.280 immediately says, oh, it's a Republican Supreme Court appointed by Donald Trump. They were all

00:18:42.400 supposed to recuse themselves from this case. It's like a full scale disaster area. Again, the thing

00:18:47.020 that should happen here is full transparency, obviously. But that's also the thing that the left has no

00:18:51.260 interest in in any of these circumstances. They wonder why conspiracy theories are blooming like

00:18:55.680 wildflowers in the summer. And that's the reason is because you guys won't let us know what the hell

00:18:59.940 is going on. So if they gag order this case and they say Donald Trump isn't, first of all, there's

00:19:04.120 no way he sticks to a gag order. He immediately starts starts spilling whatever's going on in the

00:19:07.720 courtroom. But if they gag order this thing and they tell him you're not allowed to talk about it,

00:19:12.380 like all the wild conspiracy theories are going to be at least three quarters justified. It's going to be

00:19:16.400 like you don't want us to see what's going on in that courtroom while you prosecute the leader of the

00:19:19.740 opposition and the former presidents of the United States and perhaps the future presidents of the

00:19:23.100 United States. It's truly a mad escapade here. So since the last time we met, there have been a

00:19:30.800 number of other candidates who have declared or strongly signaled. Asa Hutchinson. How can you

00:19:36.920 miss? Do we think we're only talking about Trump and DeSantis? Is that it or do any of these? That's

00:19:42.080 what I think. I think that's it. I think because I think that's where the party is. I think that

00:19:45.580 actually is where the people, the voters are. DeSantis hasn't even declared it. Well, I mean,

00:19:50.160 Nikki Haley is Nikki. And she would be in 2007. She would have been a really compelling candidate.

00:19:56.840 I mean, I think what the Republican public wants and hopefully what they will get is it is a two

00:20:02.680 person race. Because I don't think what anyone wants, whether you're a DeSantis backer or a Trump

00:20:07.620 backer, I don't think what a lot of people want at all is anybody emerging from this primary with

00:20:11.160 37 percent of the vote as the nominee. I think that is that is like the worst case scenario is

00:20:15.580 is I would rather have Trump just beat DeSantis straight up than have the field split eight ways

00:20:20.880 from Sunday and everybody earned seven percent of the vote and Trump walks away with 31 percent of

00:20:24.660 the vote. I just don't think. Do you think they've learned to drop out like gentlemen and gentle

00:20:28.960 ladies at this point? Or you think I think there's ego. I think politics. I mean, you've met these

00:20:33.060 politicians. Politicians are at least 92.8 percent delusional. All of them think that they were

00:20:38.440 going to be. The rest is ego. Yeah, that's right. And the rest are dead. Every politician I've ever

00:20:44.420 met who's in a position of significant power thinks that they were born to be president of the United

00:20:47.600 States. And so since there were five, they've been dreaming about this moment. And this is their

00:20:50.900 moment. Like, do you know what kind of delusion it takes to be Asa Hutchinson and think to yourself

00:20:54.280 as the former governor of Arkansas with zero percent support in the polls. Best known for

00:20:58.680 transing. I was going to say. This is my moment. Right now is the moment that everyone is begging for

00:21:03.840 some Asa right now. One point I want to make about the politics of this thing with Trump is that I

00:21:10.140 kind of disagree with maybe a lot of people on this because the the message from Trump and from

00:21:15.640 most conservatives is that that Trump is the first. No one's this never happened to anyone before.

00:21:19.900 Trump is the first. And so that should be the message. Like he's kind of the he's the you know,

00:21:25.100 the threshold that they're crossing. And that's true in a certain way. He's the first president

00:21:29.000 they're doing this to. But I think a more powerful message from him should be I'm not the first.

00:21:33.300 I'm actually just another in a line that's been screwed by the system. And then to point out

00:21:39.140 and say, listen, they're doing this to me. Fortunately, I'm Donald Trump. I have the ability

00:21:43.300 to fight back and I've got all your support. But think about, you know, Mark Houck, the pro-lifer

00:21:48.060 in Pennsylvania. Federal agents drag him out of his house in front of his kids at seven o'clock in the

00:21:53.280 morning because he was he was protesting outside of an abortion clinic. I mean, the system has been

00:21:57.580 doing a version of this to people for a very long time. And for Trump to use his situation to call

00:22:05.200 attention to that, I think would be really powerful. He should hire you to he saw that he's out of

00:22:11.160 character. But it's it's that's the here's the reason why if I had to put money on it today, I would

00:22:15.140 say that Trump is the nominee. Yeah, I agree. And against, you know, my wishes, because again, if this

00:22:21.420 is a two person race and it's DeSantis versus Trump, I will vote for DeSantis if the at this

00:22:25.620 point in time, barring some sort of other cataclysmic circumstance. The reason that I

00:22:29.880 think Trump has the advantage at this point is because this is Drew, this is your point. I'm

00:22:34.360 going to steal it from you and then I'm going to ask you to to expand upon it. And that is this is

00:22:39.840 something Alan Estrin said. This is Donald Trump's story, man. We're all just living in Donald Trump's

00:22:44.000 story. Like from a narrative point of view, that gun had to come off the mantelpiece. Yeah. Right.

00:22:48.100 Like they've been they've been begging for years. They're going to prosecute him.

00:22:51.580 He had to be prosecuted. Like there was just no way that we're going to get through this

00:22:54.200 entire plot line. Of course. Without Donald Trump being prosecuted. Yeah. And if that's

00:22:58.540 the case, if in fact there is some sort of if it not because like we're all living in

00:23:03.060 a novel, but because novels tend to reflect kind of general principles about how the world

00:23:06.560 works. If the idea is that this is a plot and we're all in the middle of this plot, this

00:23:10.200 plot doesn't end before Trump gets the nomination. And the other thing about characters in stories

00:23:14.140 is the audience has to identify with them. You can make the audience identify with a murderer

00:23:18.140 if you tell the story right. So this what's happening to Donald Trump is what's happening

00:23:22.060 to a lot of people on the right. They're being knocked off Twitter for saying a man can't

00:23:25.980 become a woman. They're having their job. They're taking their jobs are being taken away because

00:23:29.960 they're saying things that are somehow outside. They're facing 10 years prison time for posting

00:23:34.440 a meme on the Internet. Right. You know, and they see in England people being arrested for

00:23:38.620 praying silently outside of outside of an abortion clinic. They see a guy in Canada who gets

00:23:44.760 attacked while the police look on because he had a billboard saying you can't become a

00:23:48.220 man, can't become a woman. So Trump is those people. He is those people. And those people

00:23:52.140 are all of us. So as a story, you're absolutely right. It's like his it's his story and his

00:23:56.500 and his story is our story. And that's that's a really dangerous thing. So this is the craziest

00:24:00.380 part of the. Then he could be anybody. The craziest part of the narrative. And I've

00:24:04.700 been talking to so many of my friends about this in recent days. Would you have thought

00:24:08.080 10 years ago that what we would be arguing about right now as the national issue coming

00:24:13.780 from the White House is not only can a man become a woman, but a little a little child

00:24:19.480 can become the opposite sex. And it is immoral and and deeply wrong for us not to pump that

00:24:25.840 kid full of hormones and potentially castrate that child. Days, days after a transgender

00:24:31.460 identifying woman shoots up a Christian school targets and shoots up a Christian school in

00:24:36.420 Nashville, the president of the United States says we stand with the transgender community

00:24:41.000 and hosts days of pro transgender pro trans in the kids events. So it's going to turn

00:24:48.760 us on to watch. So it is. Well, I, I, I will say that I think that this is so as the person

00:24:55.960 on the panel who just said, I think that Trump is the favorite for the nomination. This is where

00:24:59.720 I would really urge people on my own side of the outs who use your brains instead of your instead

00:25:03.420 of your heart. Pick the candidate who you think is likely to defeat these people. It doesn't matter

00:25:08.040 what makes you feel good when you walk into the ballot box. What matters is whether we win.

00:25:11.800 That's really what matters because there are serious ramifications to who wins and loses these

00:25:15.200 elections. And it's not about your sense of, of personal fulfillment in how you vote. Your vote

00:25:19.300 is not about making yourself feel good. That's how people voted for Barack Obama. Your vote is about

00:25:23.640 defeating these people because their agenda is egregiously evil. And it really, really is. And what,

00:25:29.140 what we're watching right now is a left that feels, they're feeling their oats. They feel,

00:25:33.700 they are fully confident that they are in the ascendancy and that they're never going to lose

00:25:38.060 again. This is the same thing that we got in 2013 after Barack Obama won reelection. It's the same

00:25:41.880 sense of inevitability from the left that we are going to be able to win every battle because that

00:25:46.000 is the only way you explain them doing something as insane as making a central plank in the democratic

00:25:51.140 platform. This now, again, I see all the philosophical reasons why they are resonating to this message

00:25:56.560 because again, it goes to their belief in individual autonomy is the only thing that matters that

00:26:00.800 sexual identity is the only thing that matters. Ultimate liberation. Ultimate liberation that male

00:26:04.440 and female are arbitrary categories that have to be destroyed for the full flourishing of humanity

00:26:08.900 to break forth. And so we can all be remolded by government and all the rest of that. I get all

00:26:12.840 the philosophical reasons, but politically it is the most inept crazy thing I've ever seen to embrace

00:26:18.440 the idea that transing the children is deeply necessary and important in the aftermath of a shooting,

00:26:24.100 no less when the white house, when he had Joe Biden on tape joking about ice cream in his first press

00:26:29.620 conference after this awful shooting in Nashville. And then you had him saying, well, you know, if

00:26:34.540 Josh, if Josh Halley says that it's not a, that it may, it should be investigated as hate crime. I

00:26:38.320 guess, I guess I say the opposite. Like he would never talk that way after any other shooting about

00:26:41.900 any other group of people except for Christians, but he, but that's the way he's talking about that

00:26:45.500 is political insanity of high order. And the only reason that Democrats are able to get away with

00:26:49.580 this is because they're in complete confidence that they will not lose again. And they, but that's

00:26:53.660 untrue. I mean, obviously I agree, but then I think the right has to be careful too, because we

00:26:59.300 are, we have a, an unjustifiable confidence that there is no way that they can lose, that they can

00:27:04.820 win again. And that is a lie. They can absolutely win. They, they, they have one before they will win

00:27:09.820 again, pretending that they're, that they're the insanity and disgusting moral benightedness of

00:27:15.760 their position is somehow going to defeat them is a lie. It's obviously untrue, which means you have

00:27:20.340 to run candidates who are going to win. Stop voting based on your balls and start voting based

00:27:24.400 on your brains. This is, you know, I, I do know still a lot of liberal people, you know, people

00:27:29.000 that I would say are left of center, you know, they may not be far left. They've had it with this

00:27:33.260 stuff, but with the trans stuff too, they, they, they, you're saying this is not true. This is wrong.

00:27:37.760 What they're doing to kids are wrong, but mention Trump and they'll vote for it. And I think this is

00:27:43.000 the problem. It's not that Trump will lose against them. I think he's the only candidate who even could

00:27:47.880 lose against them. And I think under the circumstances you're, I agree with you a hundred

00:27:51.280 percent. But then what are they doing? So we're saying, yeah, they're dummies. Yeah. They're

00:27:55.540 obsessed. Yeah. They, they, they've, they're following their dumb. I don't think they're dumb

00:28:00.260 at all. So you think it's, but you're saying it's politically dumb to, to push this. Unless

00:28:04.240 you think that you are going to win. Unless you think you have total power. Exactly. And they believe

00:28:08.240 this, Michael. I mean, this is, this is, this, these theories, you know, you're right about

00:28:11.640 these theories have been around since the 18th century. And so they're actually working this

00:28:15.380 through. I mean, these, the ideas take all do take centuries to play themselves out. Although

00:28:19.620 they, they believe this. I think, man, I want to get your take on this. I think there are sort of

00:28:22.820 three categories of, of these folks. They're the true believers. Yeah. And those are like the,

00:28:26.380 the intellects who have decided that this is the way that the world ought to be. And therefore it

00:28:29.280 is. And then there are the commoners who are just doing it because they were told that they

00:28:32.740 ought to do it. And then there are the people in the middle. And I think this is the vast bulk of

00:28:36.060 the actual leadership of the democratic party who don't believe a word of this stuff. They don't

00:28:39.580 actually believe a word of this stuff, but they know that by creating, creating a demand for

00:28:43.880 ritualistic obeisance to these things, that you are putting skin in the game and that you are

00:28:49.360 demonstrating your field to the broader movement, right? I mean, just like every religion has things

00:28:52.960 that you do. Nisim Nicholas Taleb says this in his book, Skin in the Game, is that most religious

00:28:58.580 ritual, whether you believe that it's true or not, that what it effectually does is it creates skin

00:29:04.360 in the game, right? The reason that I wear a yarmulke is because I'm demonstrating to people of my own

00:29:08.840 religion that I'm an adherent to that religion and to everybody else that I'm an adherent of that

00:29:12.120 religion. And we do these social signals like throughout our lives. We do things that signal

00:29:15.400 that we are members of the in-group. The more demanding and crazy the thing you demand of

00:29:19.360 somebody, the more they are part of the in-group and the more you have them essentially by the

00:29:23.120 short hairs, right? I mean, you can now boss them around. If you can get somebody to do something

00:29:25.780 totally nuts, like put their pronouns in their Twitter bio, you can tell them to do anything.

00:29:30.660 They've signaled that they are now a member of your crew. And I think that that's what this is

00:29:34.260 about. For a lot of these folks, for the deconstructionists, they don't actually believe the things

00:29:37.260 they're saying, but they know that it's about power. And if they can get an entire society to buy into

00:29:40.700 the idea that Dylan Mulvaney is actually a woman, what can't they get you to do?

00:29:44.040 I think those are exactly the right categories. And that third category is most of them in the

00:29:48.540 Democrat Party. And the way you know that is that most of these people are, you know,

00:29:51.760 Joe Biden is 150 years old and he just started talking about this stuff a few years ago.

00:29:57.080 What did you believe up to that point? I've been waiting for, of course, no one in the media is

00:29:59.780 ever going to ask this, but it'd be nice if just one, I'd been waiting for someone to get a chance to

00:30:03.920 ask one of these people, you know, you decided five years ago that actually women have penises.

00:30:10.700 What made you decide that? What convinced you to abandon this basic belief you had your entire

00:30:16.860 life? And, but of course they were never convinced. The other point I want to make about the shooting

00:30:20.960 is that if I can get a little bit of credit for being one of the early ones to understand the

00:30:25.380 trans phenomenon and its centrality to the culture war, then maybe people will take me seriously when

00:30:30.400 I say this next part, which is that the shooting that we saw in Nashville is, it is the tip of an

00:30:36.240 iceberg. I mean, it's the beginning of something. I really believe that. What people have to

00:30:39.720 understand is that, and some of us who've been in this, this fight for a while know some things

00:30:43.880 that go on behind the scenes that, that we can't, I can't even talk about for security reasons, but

00:30:48.520 these trans activists are incredibly vicious, hateful, violent. They, they believe they're

00:30:55.540 entitled to do whatever they want to do, whatever they feel like they need to do to people that

00:31:00.100 oppose them. They actually, they are true believers. Of course, they really do believe when they talk

00:31:04.120 about genocide, they believe it. They really believe it because they, to them, their self-perception

00:31:08.660 of themselves is, is the only reality that matters. And so if you say something that calls into

00:31:13.080 question their self-perception, if you're not affirming them, then you're basically killing

00:31:17.440 them. You're killing their perception of themselves, which is the same thing as killing them as far as

00:31:20.740 they're concerned. And so they think that they're, that they're entitled to, uh, to lash out violently.

00:31:25.460 And that's why we need to see this, this manifesto, because I, I think what it's going to show

00:31:29.260 in clear detail is, is how this rhetoric, and remember this shooter, from what we've been told,

00:31:35.680 she started identifying as trans relatively recently. So she got sucked into this cult and

00:31:41.920 became violently radical in it within a short period of time because of this, this, this rhetoric.

00:31:48.900 The whole transgender transition, as you say, it's, it's a cult and this is a cult-like ritual.

00:31:54.440 It's a, it's a ritual kind of suicide in that you are killing the person that you have been.

00:32:01.120 And in fact, they use the term literally dead name to refer to the person that they have been,

00:32:07.300 who they are ritually killing, to take on a new persona with a new body, with a new identity.

00:32:12.860 And so the stakes are very, very high. And if, and if, as you, if for instance, just hypothetically,

00:32:18.060 one were to say that we ought to no longer believe in the ideology of transgenderism as a matter of

00:32:23.260 public life, they would accuse you of genocide. We're doing, I'm just speaking hypothetically

00:32:27.960 here. Yes. No one would say something. No, no one would ever be so foolish just to suggest such

00:32:32.160 a thing. But, but the, the stakes of that are very, very high. And I think to your point, Ben,

00:32:36.160 you said it very well. It's part of this broader liberal movement, which is to liberate people,

00:32:43.160 one, from the political order, two, from social mores, three, from the moral order, four, from the

00:32:49.600 family, five, from your body, to separate the self from the body, to literally to separate yourself

00:32:56.180 from yourself. And then ultimately the last frontier there is transhumanism, right? Which

00:33:00.700 all of the elites are talking about. This is not some secret agenda. You're hearing about it from

00:33:05.260 Silicon Valley, from Yuval Harari, from the World Economic Forum, which is that we're going to overcome

00:33:10.360 even humanity itself and, and men shall be as gods. You know, I heard that before.

00:33:14.340 Yeah. You know, there's an, an excellent documentary on Netflix now, Waco. Have you guys

00:33:19.880 seen this? They have incredible interviews with the people who are at Waco following this guy,

00:33:25.320 Koresh, who said he was Jesus Christ to the second coming and people believed him. And there are people

00:33:30.120 there who have now grown up, who were young people at the time, who are now grown up, who still believe

00:33:35.240 that their Messiah was taken away from them. And it's just, you know, there's a, there's a law in

00:33:40.000 logic that if your premise is false, then your conclusion will necessarily be correct. You know,

00:33:45.560 so if, you know, if, if Knowles can fly, then the sky is green is, is an actual true statement.

00:33:50.880 But the opposite is also true at the same time, that if your premise is false, everything you say

00:33:55.840 will make sense, but also be false. And I think that that is the system. That's the reason they're

00:34:01.060 so violent. They're at war with reality. Reality is going to come back. It's not, it doesn't take you,

00:34:05.380 it doesn't take you to tell them that they're not what they say they are. They know they're not.

00:34:08.400 This is also an outgrowth. I mean, it's a, it's a narrower symptom of a broader movement that's

00:34:13.140 been percolating for at least 10 to 15 years. And that is the sort of microaggression movement.

00:34:17.300 This is the ultimate apotheosis of that, right? I mean, this is something that Jonathan Haidt

00:34:20.220 talked about a long time ago, because what he, he talked about this in Cuddling of the American

00:34:23.680 Mind with Greg Lukianoff was, it was basically the idea that when you keep teaching people the

00:34:27.640 opposite of cognitive behavioral therapy, right? When, when people are depressed or upset and you tell

00:34:31.860 them the reason you're depressed and upset is not because you need to change the way that you're

00:34:34.960 addressing the world. It's because the world has to change to adjust to you.

00:34:37.480 And everybody who does not grant you your premise about the world is doing an act of violence to

00:34:41.580 you, right? Microaggression, this is what they say, not me, that the, the very language of

00:34:45.140 microaggressions suggests that the proper response is macroaggression, right? If somebody microaggresses

00:34:50.440 you, you macroaggress them. When, when, when people say things like they're about to genocide us,

00:34:55.040 then it shouldn't be that much of a shock when there are people who are cracked in that population

00:35:00.300 who take that incredibly literally and then go and do awful, awful things. And again, I'm not going to say

00:35:05.880 that every person who espouses transgender ideology is responsible for the murder of school

00:35:09.540 children in, in Christian schools. And any more than I'm going to say that, that Bernie Sanders's

00:35:13.580 ideology is responsible for shooting up a, uh, or, or I don't like to say the name of the shooter,

00:35:18.200 so I apologize for that, but, but the, the shooter in the congressional baseball game, um, I'm not going

00:35:22.080 to say that, but I will say that when you raise the temperature this much, and I've, this, this, I have

00:35:26.400 said, when you raise the, when your rhetoric inherently has to raise the temperature this much,

00:35:30.740 that means that your movement is going to be more dangerous than other comparable movements.

00:35:34.340 And, and this is one thing that you are certainly seeing right now. And when, when you see the entire

00:35:38.560 federal government activating behind that message, that's what's, that's deeply disturbing. Not only

00:35:44.820 are they saying that it's, that it's, that it's genocidal, they're now saying that you're threatening

00:35:48.480 children. You're threatening children. So it's the, it's the highest form of gaslighting I've ever seen.

00:35:52.480 So, you know, we, we all have, have children and the idea that the true threat to children

00:35:57.760 is not allowing people to shoot them full of hormones and cut off their genitals is so insane.

00:36:03.200 It's so backwards and perverse that you'd have to be, you know, on the far left to believe it.

00:36:07.420 But the entire federal government is now promoting this with your taxpayer dollars and flying flags

00:36:11.520 above government buildings. I said on the show today, when I was growing up, there were only

00:36:14.520 three flags that generally flew above government buildings. There was the American flag, your state

00:36:17.900 flag, and the POW MIA sometimes. That was it. I can't even think of another situation in which

00:36:21.720 another flag flew. But now it's the flag of the liberal empire.

00:36:24.160 I mean, that really is what it is. And the idea is that you must obey. I mean, again,

00:36:28.840 this is where Matt, you're, you're very right. When you, when you said before, and we can disagree

00:36:34.260 on the iterations, but when you've said before that, that civility is the enemy of truth in

00:36:38.160 these cases, that is very often correct. Because what the left likes to do with this sort of thing

00:36:41.820 is they say, if you are civil, you will go along with what we are saying. They are not calling for

00:36:45.700 civility. They're calling for surrender. And they're very obvious about this. Civility is a, is,

00:36:50.380 is their way of getting you to surrender. If you're just nice, if you're just nice,

00:36:53.320 if you just went along with it, what harm does it do to you? What harm does it do to you? And then

00:36:56.720 the answer is, well, I mean, you've destroyed the truth. You've required me to lie to not only

00:37:00.900 myself, but to my children. You've decided to let a bunch of, of elites who don't understand or don't

00:37:07.740 care to understand the basis of biology shape and mold how my children are educated. That's not

00:37:12.000 about civility. That's about full scale surrender. And anybody who believes the, the sleight of hand

00:37:15.840 that's being played right now, where we're calling for civility, but what we actually want is your

00:37:19.240 surrender. Anybody who believes that all they want is a civil society from the very people,

00:37:23.320 who are out there shouting trans genocide and the, and the very people who are out there saying

00:37:27.580 you will respect us, right? There's a video from Jeffrey Marsh, that crazed TikTok guy.

00:37:33.020 You should be in jail for what he says on TikTok.

00:37:34.780 Right. When he, when he's at, when he's out there saying you will respect, he says that we are

00:37:39.440 winning. You will respect it. So you don't, you don't have to, you don't have to agree, you know,

00:37:43.280 but you will respect us. Respect is not something that you demand. Respect is something that is earned

00:37:47.140 where I come from.

00:37:48.080 That's exactly. And that the problem is the conservatives will respond to that and say,

00:37:50.560 well, yeah, we'll respect you, but we'll disagree with you. When our response should be,

00:37:53.460 no, I won't respect you. I don't respect you. I don't respect anything about you. And while,

00:37:57.920 and while they, they do this whole civil, uh, civility thing, they, they're actually very effective.

00:38:03.640 And I'm preaching this all the time. The left, they're very effective at using a tactic where

00:38:08.020 no matter what you say, if they disagree with it, they treat it as not only wrong, but the craziest

00:38:12.780 damn thing they've ever heard in their life automatically. It's the, it's, it's insane.

00:38:17.180 It's stupid. It's, you know, genocidal, whatever. Um, and that's actually effective because it makes

00:38:22.240 people who are kind of on the fence or in the middle, don't want to get involved. They say,

00:38:25.920 well, okay, well, if you're treating it like that, then there must be something wrong here.

00:38:30.500 Meanwhile, when we respond to them, what they're saying actually is the craziest damn thing we've

00:38:35.540 ever heard. And yet we lend it more legitimacy because we sit down and say, well, let's, uh,

00:38:39.880 let's just have a civil dialogue about this and we'll listen to your point of view. No,

00:38:42.600 our response should, we should respond in a way that conveys the, you know, the, the insanity of,

00:38:48.820 of what they're trying to push. This is what I liked about DeSantis when he said, uh, also,

00:38:53.180 uh, what's her name? Sarah Sanders in Arkansas, when she said, we didn't start this war because

00:38:58.160 this is the AOC thing. Like your culture war stuff, you're, we want to come in and cut your

00:39:02.580 children. Why are you so obsessed with like, I don't know why you, the libs go in, they castrate

00:39:09.520 kids, they mutilate kids. They say, no, thank you. And that's, yeah, we say like, Hey, maybe

00:39:13.580 don't do that. So why are you so obsessed? I'm not sure I call it face tattoo syndrome,

00:39:18.460 right? Where you go into the Starbucks and there's some weird guy with a face tattoo all

00:39:21.700 over his face and you're looking at him because he's got a face tattoo. It's like, what are

00:39:24.900 you looking at? Well, I mean, it's your face tattoo. That's what I'm looking at. And like,

00:39:28.520 well, why would you look at that? Because it's a tattoo on your face around your eye. That's

00:39:31.440 why I'm looking. Now, because we mentioned AOC and the violence these people are threatening,

00:39:36.440 I got to listen. I just, I just got to ask. I'm just asking questions. Just asking, just

00:39:42.540 asking. It may be. Is it possible that Congress lady Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called for the murder

00:39:49.220 of Matt Walsh? I'm just asking. It's possible. Now, what do we know about this site? Okay. So

00:39:54.660 this is, uh, the, the speculation on the internet is that this is Zaza Demon at Zaza Smoka is a,

00:40:04.400 uh, is AOC's burner account that she uses. And there are plenty of high profile people that have

00:40:09.040 burner accounts and they, and they use it and they like. Monsieur Delecto, one of the famous ones.

00:40:13.060 Right. Exactly. Yeah. And, uh, and, and so that's, and there is, there's some, there's some inter,

00:40:18.020 I'll say there's interesting circumstantial evidence out there that, uh, that, that is actually her

00:40:23.540 burner account. And so people are looking now. And I think the most interesting piece of evidence

00:40:27.220 is that when this claim was made, this is her burner account, the account was deleted right

00:40:31.800 away. And my, my point is that if you're a, you know, just your average anonymous internet troll

00:40:37.400 and people start thinking you're AOC's burner account, are you going to delete your account?

00:40:42.540 That's the greatest opportunity ever for a, for an anonymous internet troll deleted the account.

00:40:46.560 So I don't know, but there are a lot of tweets from this person, whoever it is. And one of them is

00:40:49.880 wishing death on me. Here's what I'll say. I don't know if that's

00:40:53.380 AOC or not, but according to their rules, even if it isn't, she must denounce this threat against

00:40:59.860 my life or this, this, this death wish against me. Silence is violence. So no matter whether she

00:41:05.120 did it or not, I still think she needs to denounce it. Okay. Second question I have,

00:41:09.780 does Jeremy have to start a beer company? He does, right? You can't let Bud Light get away with it.

00:41:15.380 I don't know what you guys want from us. It's three days before Passover. Beer is made from leaven.

00:41:19.580 I can't. I'm sorry. It gives a whole new meaning to the words Bud Light though. That's what I

00:41:23.740 Bud Light and the loafers. Yeah. Bud Light and the loafers. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, listen,

00:41:28.520 first of all, listen, Bud Light is crap. Bud Light, it makes perfect sense. Bud Light

00:41:33.880 is piss water masquerading as beer. And so they hired a man masquerading as a woman.

00:41:37.740 There you go. Exactly. Bud Light is, it's trans beer. It's rainwater that's been sitting in a,

00:41:42.680 in a tin bucket. That's what it takes. Now, listen, I was very lucky in that I've never cared that much

00:41:47.000 for Bud Light. And my preferred, uh, canned alcohol beverage is White Claw, which is already

00:41:53.060 so gay. I was going to say, so you are. I mean, it is, it does show again, just the power of the,

00:41:59.260 the trans call because Bud Light, their audience or their, uh, their customer base, it's frat boys

00:42:03.940 who drink the stuff out of red cups and beer funnels. And then like 55 year old bikers,

00:42:08.000 like those are the only people that do Bud Light. And if they're a baseball game and it's all

00:42:10.980 they're selling. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty much right. None of these people are going to be

00:42:15.100 attracted to Bud Light because Dylan Mulvaney is on the, uh, on the camp. And yet they do this.

00:42:18.640 It is an amazing thing. I mean, it truly is, is that the, the cultural elite have decided that

00:42:23.540 they are going to change their audience, right? It used to be that when you were in business,

00:42:26.140 you typically marketed to an audience. Now the idea is that you are going to make your audience

00:42:30.580 better people. And the way you're going to make your audience better people is by hiring influencers

00:42:33.660 who do really, by the way, crappy imitations of women. Let's just be real about this.

00:42:37.720 Dylan Mulvaney's imitation of a woman is horrible. It's a horror, it is the most stereotypical

00:42:41.960 garbage. Even in that little video right there that we just showed Dylan Mulvaney says is March

00:42:46.780 madness. And I didn't even know what March madness was. I thought everybody was just really busy this

00:42:50.700 month because no one, because women don't know what sports are. What is the sports ball? There's

00:42:55.260 not a woman alive who knows what March madness is. Okay. Like, can, can we stop pretending this

00:42:59.980 isn't a man making fun of women? It's a man making fun of women. It's sexual blackface. It's,

00:43:04.440 it's, it's, it's, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And so Bud Light doing this,

00:43:09.020 and then they put out another can that talked about celebrate everyone's identity that it said

00:43:13.000 on the can celebrate everybody's identity. Like this is your corporate overlords who have decided

00:43:18.260 that they are going to change you, that they don't like you and they hate you. And they think that

00:43:22.420 you're a bad person, but they, they also think that you're too stupid to take your money away from

00:43:25.740 them. So you'll keep paying them to make garbage like this. And it's not, but like, it's infusing

00:43:30.960 every area that conservatives previously thought was even quasi safe, right? So like beer, that's,

00:43:36.260 that's one where it's like, you know, who drinks beer dudes, you know, who drinks beer mostly

00:43:40.180 because just statistically most dudes are straight dudes. So if you're going to look at like the

00:43:44.360 demographic of people who drink beer, I'm going to go that Bud Light was probably a beer drunk by

00:43:48.800 what? 75% straight dudes. Minimum, minimum is probably 95%. 95. Right. I was, I was going like,

00:43:54.500 I was going real low. I'm thinking there might be some have that bad taste. Right. Exactly. I think

00:43:58.200 maybe there's some girls at the frat parties also occasionally, but, but it's, and so they decided

00:44:01.800 that they're going to slap their audience directly in the face. You know, it's another one.

00:44:04.160 So the country music awards featured a performance of a Hank Williams jr. Song with a woman flanked by

00:44:12.280 a bunch of drag Queens at the country music awards. And I have a question, the constituency for country

00:44:16.400 music, is that really like a bunch of people who are super giant fans of drag? Is that who the

00:44:21.180 constituency for country music is? Or is the constituency for country music typically red state

00:44:26.580 Americans who vote Republican and go to church a lot? Like this is not particularly hard, but the

00:44:31.060 people at country music awards have decided that this is the morality that they wish to

00:44:34.780 purvey. It's the same reason the NHL decided the NHL is like the whitest, most Republican

00:44:39.020 league in America just by audience numbers. That's just the fact. And they decided that

00:44:42.940 they were going to push pride nights and LGBTQ, you know, giveaways at a hockey game. And then

00:44:48.460 they were going to put it on their sticks out. Like this is a corporate elite who have decided

00:44:52.620 that they are going to change the nature of the country and assume that because conservatives

00:44:56.680 again are civil and because we don't care that much about this stuff, that we have better

00:44:59.760 things to do. We have kids, we have things to do with our lives that we'll just ignore

00:45:02.800 it. And they figure that liberals will give them more fealty for doing this sort of stuff.

00:45:06.480 Well, eventually conservatives are going to have to pull their head directly out of their

00:45:08.820 ass.

00:45:09.060 But wait, that all ended with them teaching it in the schools. Once they came after kids.

00:45:14.040 See, this is the thing. You started out a few backstages ago where you said, how stupid

00:45:18.200 do you have to be to alienate parents? I don't think, remember, the press has a talent

00:45:23.680 talent and, and the power to convince us that things are happening in the country that aren't

00:45:28.200 happening. And so the, the, the real is going back to Trump. The real wild card is Trump,

00:45:34.220 because if you take him out of the equation, I don't think they have the votes to win dog

00:45:39.100 catcher right now. You've got to remember that when Barack Obama was president, everybody

00:45:44.960 liked Barack Obama. He was a likable, he was a very talented politician, likable person, persona.

00:45:50.560 They lost every office in the country. They had no people in the state, in state government

00:45:56.160 when he left office, that they were, as a party, they were gone. It's only Trump that

00:46:01.740 brought them back.

00:46:02.180 And then, by the way, that's, and that's with the most charismatic guy. Right now,

00:46:05.000 there's a dead man in the White House.

00:46:06.160 That's right.

00:46:06.660 But doesn't, but here's, here's the, uh, the real pessimistic take, which is that it

00:46:10.120 doesn't matter anyway. I mean, they, they can, I know they desperately want to win every

00:46:13.320 single presidential election, obviously, but they own the system so they can lose a presidential

00:46:18.500 election. We saw that with Trump. They, they, they, you know, it was the end of the world.

00:46:21.520 Trump was in office and then he's, and then he's out of office and they undo whatever he

00:46:25.180 did within about 50 seconds. Um, and so they, because, because of this, because they can put

00:46:29.900 a trans, uh, you know, uh, woman faced guy on a Bud Light can that just shows the kind

00:46:35.460 of cultural power that they have and the way they run the system. So they, they lose a presidential

00:46:40.320 election. It doesn't really matter. I mean, I know that we, we, the cope, the cope that we

00:46:44.860 all need to stop, uh, stop with as conservatives, as we say, well, go woke, uh, go broke. It's

00:46:49.100 not true, but it doesn't happen. I mean, but here's, here's the truth. Bud Light, they,

00:46:53.260 they did something that's appealing to 0% of their audience and actually actively offends

00:46:57.920 a large portion of the audience of their customer base. Rather, it will have no effect on them

00:47:02.060 at all. They're still going to sell the cans because part of the problem is that, you

00:47:05.520 know, because every single company is woke, we obviously can't boycott all of them.

00:47:09.640 Um, but then, then we settle on, well, let's boycott none of them. And then we just

00:47:13.000 continue on with our, well, part of the problem here also is that, and this is a problem of

00:47:16.760 size is that the people who have the most systemic advantage in avoiding go woke, go

00:47:21.480 broke are the biggest companies. Meaning that, for example, I would look into starting Jeremy's

00:47:27.060 beer, right? I mean, we would look into that. The problem is that you need thousands of retail

00:47:31.160 spots in order to sell it. You can't ship beer over state lines, right? There, there are various

00:47:35.160 state and local regulations about shipping alcohol over state lines. It's spoken like a guy who

00:47:38.660 considered it. You can tell there is some conversation. And so, and so the, and so what,

00:47:42.500 what this means is that because they are already established in this space, it's very difficult

00:47:47.180 to go up against them. Like we can launch a chocolate company literally overnight. We

00:47:50.180 can launch a razor company literally overnight. And that will actually throw a scare into many

00:47:54.580 of these companies. But there are some companies that don't actually have to be scared because

00:47:57.860 the amount of lift that you have to do to even compete with them is so large. And it is the

00:48:01.800 biggest corporation. This is, this is really important. And I was talking to Knowles before the

00:48:05.040 show about the fact that now that the Daily Wire is what it is. A lot of people in the conservative

00:48:09.280 media space are criticizing us and they, and they, it's typical of conservatives, right? If you do

00:48:13.900 something and you're successful at it, instead of imitating it, instead of trying to beat it,

00:48:17.460 they come after you and they start criticizing. And so a lot of people are saying, oh, what is this

00:48:21.500 thing with, you know, Jeremy's chocolates with Jeremy's razors? You know, why are you wasting your

00:48:25.560 time and misdirecting things like this? But really, you know, I, when I think about it in some ways,

00:48:30.320 Trump is the Jeremy's razors of candidates because it's a story. We're, we're storytellers. We're

00:48:36.400 telling a story. The story is not that we're going to take down Harry's razors by starting a razor

00:48:40.580 company because we're not that company, right? The story is, this is how you do it. You can do this.

00:48:45.860 A company could build a chocolate company, a beer company, a razor company that was dedicated to

00:48:50.880 that and take them out like that, but they won't do it. The conservatives will not do it. They,

00:48:56.500 there's something about them where they just are afraid. We're longing for, we're longing for a

00:49:00.900 time that no longer is. Well, that's true. Well, that's true too. Right. I mean, we're longing for

00:49:05.140 a time when you could just buy beer and not have to worry about who the spokesperson was. Right. But

00:49:08.520 if you keep saying, why don't things go back to normal? And the answer is, if you were an actual

00:49:11.980 beer maker who was willing to say, I'm not going to do, because we're not beer makers. We're not

00:49:16.440 chocolate makers. That's not what we're doing. This is a story we're telling. This is how you do it.

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00:51:20.700 as a former wannabe actor, he knows how to hold a tray like a waiter. That's the most important part

00:51:26.740 of acting training, actually. You put the little coat on, and you say, sir, red or white? Absolutely.

00:51:32.700 So I totally agree on that point. You've got to be able to tell that story. I agree with your point

00:51:37.620 and Alan's point on the whole narrative of the election. You know, it's kind of is just about Trump

00:51:41.660 right now. But the question then is, I've long loved the idea of, well, let's defer to the free

00:51:48.500 market. You know, it'll all work out and everything. But isn't the Dylan Mulvaney

00:51:52.320 Bud Light sponsorship, is that not an indictment of the free market?

00:51:56.760 Yes. Yes. Well, no, come on. I've been saying this for all this time, is that the values come first.

00:52:01.440 This is actually, to me, where the trans movement comes from, is the idea that the market is all

00:52:09.800 there is. Adam Smith, before he talked about free markets, talked about sensibility. And he said this

00:52:16.240 was a thing that is outside the market, our ability to identify with one another and to feel for one

00:52:22.060 another. That part of, he said that was his best book. Theory of Moral Sentiments. Theory of Moral

00:52:28.220 Sentiments, right. He said that was his important book. And we have forgotten that. Not only have we

00:52:32.420 forgotten it, we've overruled it, basically. We've allowed the left to overrule it and say there is

00:52:37.000 no place where the market doesn't reach and we can market each other's, you know, love lives and

00:52:43.880 inner lives, and we can't. Capitalism is not a holistic system. That's right. Anybody, so I hear people

00:52:50.120 sometimes say two cheers for capitalism, right? The idea being there are problems with capitalism.

00:52:53.600 Okay, it's not a problem with capitalism. It's a failure of the society that provided the predicate

00:52:57.480 for capitalism in the first place. Exactly. Okay, so saying that capitalism has failed is somewhat

00:53:01.660 like saying that your plunger didn't solve world hunger. That's right. Like, that's not what it's

00:53:06.460 for. Capitalism is there to make products more plentiful and cheaper. That is what capitalism

00:53:11.880 exists to do. And it is completely neutral on the values. Capitalism will supply you drugs in the

00:53:17.380 same way that it will provide you a Bible. Like, there's absolute values neutrality when it comes

00:53:21.780 to capitalism. With that said, there is not values neutrality to the system that undergirds

00:53:27.160 capitalism. And this is what we're about to find out, is that this is why libertarianism ends up

00:53:30.960 being wrong. Because in the end, if you undermine all of the values that underlie capitalism, namely

00:53:35.020 any level of social trust, if you undermine social trust, familial dynamism, all these things,

00:53:39.880 capitalism collapses on itself like a dying star. There's sort of a water in which capitalism was

00:53:44.040 allowed to be created and breed. And when you toxify that water, capitalism too will die.

00:53:50.100 That's not a flaw in capitalism per se. It's a flaw in the societal systems that were exposed to a

00:53:55.640 certain extent by capitalism. The best version of this argument is made by Robert Nisbet, the

00:53:59.260 sociologist in the 40s and 50s. He wrote a book called The Quest for Community. And basically,

00:54:03.140 the argument that he makes is that the Industrial Revolution, because it had removed people from

00:54:06.840 kinship networks and brought them into major cities and turned them into individual economic units,

00:54:10.620 as opposed to familial economic units, had separated them off from what would have been

00:54:14.680 the virtuous system in which capitalism could thrive. Which, by the way, I tend to agree with.

00:54:19.140 I mean, the idea is that for me, and I think for all of us, the reason that you earn is not because

00:54:22.380 you're an individual economic unit, and you don't purchase products as an individual economic unit,

00:54:25.760 you do it as a member of a family. My family unit does really well because I'm out there earning.

00:54:30.160 And what that means is that my wife doesn't have to work as much because she's investing a lot of

00:54:32.920 time with the kids. This is why you wouldn't say that a woman who's a stay-at-home mom is

00:54:36.700 economically unsuccessful. She's part of a family unit. This is why

00:54:40.220 communism exists inside the household when it comes to economic sharing of resources. I've said

00:54:44.280 this before. Economically, I'm a communist in my own house. I have a joint bank account with my wife,

00:54:47.780 even though we do not earn remotely the same amount of money. And when it comes to my local

00:54:51.700 community, I would say I'm more of a democratic socialist because I know all of my neighbors,

00:54:54.600 and so I know what the rules are, and I'm willing to give a lot of money to my neighbors to help

00:54:57.380 them out because they live within these boundaries of rules. And then as you abstract up the chain,

00:55:00.580 I'm more and more of a laissez-faire libertarian because you don't abide by my rules,

00:55:03.960 so why should I pay you to not be a part of my community? It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:55:06.840 And with that said, I think that the mistake that can be made is to expect, on the one hand,

00:55:12.260 everything of capitalism, and on the other hand, to blame capitalism for the failures of the

00:55:16.740 durability of institutions that need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Capitalism can be of incredible

00:55:21.500 service if you have family values, and if those family values work in concert with capitalism.

00:55:27.920 I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think the overread, the capitalism undermines family

00:55:31.420 values is too much an overread. You're mistaking my argument, though, because I agree.

00:55:34.120 I'm not saying that that's your argument, but yes. Because, I mean, you're absolutely right about

00:55:37.840 this, that it's not the fault of capitalism. It is the fault of Republicans or conservatives or

00:55:43.680 whatever who said that capitalism and markets were going to save everything. That's the fault.

00:55:47.360 It's also the fault of individuals. I don't want to let the individual off the hook.

00:55:51.900 Going back to the Bud Light example, there's no reason at all why we can't bankrupt Bud Light

00:55:56.800 overnight. If every person who identifies as conservative or at least isn't on board with this stuff

00:56:01.820 just said, I'm not going to buy that shit anymore because, like, you could sacrifice it and it

00:56:06.520 would mean nothing to your life whatsoever. And if everyone did that, or even if 40% of people did

00:56:11.920 that, they would take such a hit that they would have to come crawling on their knees begging for

00:56:15.700 forgiveness. There's no reason why we can't do that. We just don't. And by the way, I think...

00:56:19.620 One of the points, some of this is we had to take some lessons from the left on some of the

00:56:24.060 things. We talked about this before, but some of the methods that they use and the tone that they use,

00:56:27.240 we can direct it in the right direction. And so one thing the left is very good at is they pick

00:56:32.500 targets and they gang up on them and they make an example of them. The left is very good at making

00:56:36.260 examples of people. And we need to do that. I think a lot of conservatives don't have the...

00:56:40.380 They don't have the stomach for that. But we need to find victims and make examples of them.

00:56:46.440 Maybe Bud Light's not the one because they're a big target, but some other company that goes the

00:56:50.900 woke direction, we say, you know what? We're making this company our project. We're going to take you

00:56:56.820 down and destroy you and to make an example of you. I think going after the big guys is the right

00:57:02.620 thing because if we go after, you know, you go after Dylan Mulvaney, who is egregious because it is

00:57:06.980 sexual blackface, but still he's just an individual. He's just a mentally ill individual. You know, why

00:57:12.580 should we go after him? We should go after the big companies. I mean, I would say both. I said we go

00:57:16.180 after... I said we make an example of Dylan Mulvaney. But that's the point. But I also think that he,

00:57:21.440 you know, on the individual level, given that he's like a mascot for this stuff, he does become a

00:57:25.800 legitimate target of criticism. He's a public figure. We're all public figures. We're all

00:57:30.260 targets of criticism. So why don't we do that? So here's one reason, and I think this is a really

00:57:37.140 important thing. We on the right tend to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. What I mean by

00:57:41.040 that is that we will say, okay, I'm not going to buy Bud Light tomorrow. I'm just going to buy

00:57:44.440 Heineken. Okay. And then somebody will say, well, Heineken in 2015 sent a tweet that was a pro-trans

00:57:50.240 tweet. I'll be like, oh my God, I can't believe that I just bought Heineken. Not the same thing. This is not

00:57:55.640 about rewarding Heineken if you need a beer tonight. It's about punishing Bud Light. Right? And so I

00:58:00.280 think that we need to be very careful about this because what we very often end up doing, well,

00:58:03.160 all the companies are doing this. Yes, but they're not all doing it equally. They're not all making

00:58:07.020 the face of their company this. Yeah. Right? The one who made the face of their company this

00:58:10.780 is Bud Light. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they're all doing it. We're going after

00:58:13.520 you. We're making an example. I totally agree with this. They're an example. The left, this is, you know,

00:58:17.800 they're going to target you and take you down, not because they think you're actually the worst

00:58:21.020 person in the world, but just because you're the person in the crosshairs and they've decided to

00:58:25.460 make you their project. And it tells other people that this will happen. Right. It's a warning. And

00:58:29.720 you know what? I think it actually worked somewhat with the NFL. I mean, I, who love football, I wait

00:58:35.320 for the football season. I watch football every week. You know, I stopped watching. I just stopped

00:58:40.620 watching when they did the Colin Kaepernick thing. They're not doing that anymore. You know? I mean,

00:58:44.820 and when you get somebody who like really loves something to give it up, you've made a mistake. I can't have

00:58:50.080 been the only person who did that. Oh, I did that also. I did that with MLB for a couple of years

00:58:53.880 after they did the Black Lives Matter routine in 2020. Yeah. Can I stop doing it? Another, here's a,

00:58:58.520 to give ourselves a little pat on the back. Here's a good example of this working Vanderbilt in,

00:59:02.660 in, uh, in Nashville. Like that's a good example. There's, there's hundreds of hospitals that are

00:59:07.840 doing this stuff. We picked, here's this one hospital where it's happening. It's not the worst

00:59:12.140 example, but it's an example and it's really bad. And so we're going to shut you down. And we did.

00:59:18.020 And then that becomes, that does have, now obviously there are many hospitals are still

00:59:21.780 doing it, but it does have a little bit of a domino effect. So this just shows that the

00:59:25.080 strategy does work. I mean, it's pure Linsky, right? I mean, Linsky literally said that what

00:59:28.460 you do is you pick a target, you personalize it, you polarize it. Right. Right. And so the,

00:59:31.760 the idea that that's the ineffective tactic, the left has been doing this for literally

00:59:34.780 decades. I mean, this, this was their program. And also this idea that we're always losing

00:59:38.340 is false. I mean, DeSantis just signed a, uh, constitutional carry and universal school

00:59:45.020 vouchers, by the way, which makes, which makes the majority of States constitutional carry

00:59:50.020 States. It's 26 now, right? What's that? It's 26 States. Honestly, I think, I think the

00:59:53.600 more important law that he signed is the universal school voucher program in Florida. Right. You

00:59:56.740 now get an $8,000 credit per child per year to send your kid anywhere you want to send your

01:00:00.620 kid in the state of Florida. I'm just saying we win, we win a lot, you know, especially on

01:00:03.700 the state. Well, when you focus on winning, okay, so this is back to my, my, my unpopular

01:00:07.800 point. Oh, you're obsessed with the winning. Maybe we should win. Maybe we should

01:00:11.180 actually focus on the winning as opposed to the pissing and moaning. There's something

01:00:14.800 very satisfying about the pissing and moaning. There really is like, especially in a time

01:00:18.020 where it feels like you're doing something by, by pissing and moaning, but that's not

01:00:22.140 actually a substitute for victory. It turns out there is no substitute for victory. Victory

01:00:25.700 is the thing that we actually require. And, you know, Drew, before you're talking about,

01:00:30.360 you know, we get ripped because we are, you know, now a large company. Well, one of the

01:00:34.080 reasons we're a large company is because the people who subscribe to this company know that

01:00:36.640 we win victories. They know that Matt is signing in Mississippi where they're

01:00:40.440 banning mutilation of children. One thing that, that happens when you subscribe to this

01:00:44.660 company and you become a daily wire member is you get to ask questions over at the member

01:00:48.480 block, which we will be heading into in about 10 minutes. So get your questions in

01:00:52.220 because you know, I love Jeremy. He's one of my very best friends. He's the God King of

01:00:56.320 this company, but he always says he wants to churn through a thousand questions and do a

01:01:00.300 speed round. And then we always just debate marriage for like six hours. And so we are going

01:01:05.120 to get through a lot of questions. Make sure you become a member right now. If you're not a

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01:01:16.800 though. Not quite yet. I interrupted you. When it, when it comes to, when it comes to victory,

01:01:21.100 the, the way that you win a political victory is you make the other side, the subject of the

01:01:25.060 conversation, right? This is the real problem right now with, with what's happening with Trump.

01:01:29.120 If the subject of the conversation is Trump, Republicans are going to lose. If the subject of the

01:01:33.740 conversation is how the Democrats are literally from the white house, promoting the idea that

01:01:38.480 the bravest people alive are quote unquote trans kids who are not in fact trans kids. These are

01:01:42.960 kids who at most are kids very virtually always with gender confusion exacerbated by their parents

01:01:48.680 who are using them as tools so that they can be more popular on social media accounts. You know,

01:01:52.520 when the idea that's being pushed by the white house, how is that not the central issue in any

01:01:57.440 election? It has to be the central issue. Banks are failing. The inflation is out of control.

01:02:01.240 By the way, that Chinese spy balloon, remember the one that wasn't a Chinese spy balloon? It was a,

01:02:04.240 it was a Chinese spy balloon. Right now, NBC news is reporting. I don't know if you saw this story

01:02:08.560 that, that they were sending contemporaneous electronic signals back to China as you would

01:02:13.520 because for God's sake, everyone's had a cell phone on the planet for the last 25 years. Of

01:02:17.180 course there was. And they were sending back actual spy information about the location of

01:02:20.900 America's military assets for like a week as it floated over the country. And Joe Biden made excuses

01:02:24.900 about how he couldn't shoot it down unless they hit a cow in Montana. And then he shot it down

01:02:28.180 off the coast. And they said at the time, there's nothing happening. We've protected everything.

01:02:32.000 Everything's fine. And then it turns out it's a lie. By the way, on foreign affairs,

01:02:34.440 we just got the announcement today that Saudi Arabia is going to be leading OPEC and Russia

01:02:38.500 to cutting the oil production by a million barrels a day and maybe more next month, which I know that

01:02:44.140 we're supposed to say history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. And I didn't live through

01:02:49.140 the Carter years. I did. This is so much like the Carter years. It's just a repeat, isn't it?

01:02:54.560 That's frightening. And now Carter is dying and people saying, well, was he really that

01:02:59.160 bad? Yeah. No, he was a terrible president. And you know, this is, it's like somebody said

01:03:04.740 to me, Rich Minitzer, a great journalist, really bright guy. He said to me, this is the tuition

01:03:09.400 you have to pay to learn that socialism does this to your country. And so every generation

01:03:13.820 has to do it again. You know, this is what changed my mind. In the 70s, I was broke. In the

01:03:20.400 80s, I started to make money. I thought like, oh, this is better. You know, oh, look, and there goes

01:03:25.580 the Berlin Wall, just like that old guy said, you know, it's falling down now. You know, after a

01:03:29.880 while, you start to learn some things work, some don't. Because, you know, I often look at the

01:03:34.540 macro political picture and I look at these historical trends. And so I don't focus so much

01:03:38.460 on this politician or this president. I think, oh, this is the way it's been trending for 50

01:03:41.840 or 500 years. And that can make you forget that individual presidential administrations

01:03:48.720 really can matter. I mean, I think about the overruling of Roe v. Wade in the last presidential

01:03:52.760 administration. That was actually consequential. And then I look at, in this administration,

01:03:57.980 how quickly everything is going wrong. 44% of Americans apparently are working a second job

01:04:02.860 right now. 63% or somewhere thereabouts desire to have a second job. The inflation is killing

01:04:09.060 everybody. Our energy is through the roof. We're on the brink of World War III. That happened in

01:04:13.040 two years. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing how quickly they did. Well, and by the way, and I

01:04:17.920 know it's beating a dead horse. This is why if you, the next president should know what the hell he's

01:04:22.360 doing. Like whoever gets in there, I know these are, these are now underrated qualities. Wouldn't

01:04:27.200 it be nice if the person got in and actually knew how to staff an administration and then was able to

01:04:30.440 affect permanent change? So there's a list that came up on Twitter recently of here's all the

01:04:34.040 things that Donald Trump has done. It was from 2020 and it was great. It was a list of just a

01:04:36.800 wonderful amount of things. Literally every one of those things has been reversed except for the

01:04:40.300 Roe v. Wade. That's a pretty big one though. I'm not denigrating that. I'm saying that wouldn't it

01:04:45.880 be nice if all the other things had actually had some sort of lasting effect? And the only way that

01:04:49.760 you can do that is with efficiency and knowing what you are doing and staffing and firing people

01:04:53.360 and actually changing over. And passing laws instead of these stupid EOs. Right, exactly. I mean,

01:04:57.680 like anything that if, if you wish to effectuate political change, that's going to require

01:05:02.940 actual power. And the way that you actually get power is by number one, winning elections,

01:05:07.120 by number two, actually using those elections in order to change the staffing of the executive

01:05:10.640 branch. And number three, by actively gaining power in areas of culture and the economy.

01:05:15.760 And not mistreating people so that they won't vote along with you when you actually need your,

01:05:20.320 to pass along. Right. I mean, again, like anytime the opposition is the issue, the opposition loses.

01:05:25.940 Anytime we are the issue, we lose. It's really not that difficult. The math is not that tough.

01:05:29.700 Make it easy for independents to vote for Republicans and Republicans will win. Make

01:05:32.940 it very difficult and Republicans will lose. That's exactly what happened in 2016. In 2016,

01:05:36.980 it was easier to vote. It was still not super easy to vote for Trump. It was easier to vote

01:05:40.340 for him than Hillary. Independents broke two to one for Trump in 2016. In 2020, they broke two to one

01:05:44.700 for Biden. So if it's a rematch, do you think they're going to break two to one for Trump again?

01:05:48.800 Can I, I don't want to be the down person on this. You know, usually I'm the more hopeful one

01:05:53.520 and Ben is the down person. Yeah, that's true. But a friend of mine who will remain nameless suggested,

01:06:00.200 that we might have a real structural problem, not just from 2020, but 2024 and for the foreseeable

01:06:05.840 future, which is Democrats are very, very good, especially with the new rules of mass mail-in

01:06:09.920 ballots and all the rest of it. They're very good at ballot harvesting. So the answer to that is

01:06:13.840 always, well, we Republicans just need to get better at ballot harvesting. Okay. Except their voters are

01:06:19.580 in a handful of cities, very densely populated areas. Our voters are spread out throughout the country

01:06:24.660 and all of the rural areas that, that we just can't do it. It's not geographically possible.

01:06:30.180 Please someone give me a little bit of hope that I'm wrong. Well, Florida, yeah, well,

01:06:34.660 all the, all the cities in Florida, Miami is, is slightly, slightly like almost red now. Um, but

01:06:41.460 Fort Lauderdale is very, very blue. Um, I believe Jacksonville is blue, but didn't Florida have an

01:06:47.580 influx, you know, like a million conservative voters or something like that? Yeah. It turns out good

01:06:50.760 governance is a pretty good solution, but also, but also it happens to be that the Florida Republican

01:06:54.360 party, they've run that thing like clockwork. I mean, they, they, they really have the, the,

01:06:58.760 like DeSantis said months in advance, I don't like mail-in balloting. Go vote right, right now by

01:07:05.640 mail. Everybody that I know voted early in the last election, including me, everyone, right? Every,

01:07:10.200 every right winger in Florida was, was leaping to get to the ballot box just that their vote would

01:07:14.180 be counted, which is what Republicans need to do everywhere. But if you can vote early,

01:07:17.960 go vote early. If you can mail-in ballot, mail-in ballot, like go do all these things. By the way,

01:07:23.140 this, this happened in California too. In California in 2020, there are a bunch of districts in Orange

01:07:28.740 County that were supposed to go red and they went blue because of all of the ballot harvesting.

01:07:31.880 And by 2022, Republicans had sort of figured it out. And a lot of those counties then started to go

01:07:36.500 red again. And so Republicans were able to minimize their losses or retain seats where they weren't going

01:07:41.040 to before. So I don't buy the idea that it's all about, you know, schlubs who are driving around with

01:07:45.060 their cars and that's really what's going to make the difference in the elections.

01:07:46.980 The biggest thing is stop dissuading your voters from voting. Stop it. And also, also build. No,

01:07:52.780 but I agree. I completely agree with that. And I don't agree with this guy, your friend,

01:07:57.120 because I think that Republicans have not historically built organizations and you can

01:08:04.080 build organizations, even if your voters are spread out. New York is a perfect example. There

01:08:07.920 is no Republican party in New York. There's only individual Republicans who rise. And when they rise,

01:08:12.900 as we saw last time with Lee Zeldin, you can take people up with you, but they don't build

01:08:17.340 parties. They're always individual. And that's not the way to do it. Build a party that actually

01:08:21.400 wants to win elections. So here I'm speaking to you, Arizona Republican Party. Arizona Republican

01:08:25.560 Party. How about you get your head out of your colon and start trying to focus in on who can win an

01:08:29.660 election? How about that? And maybe fix the voter machines in America.

01:08:32.580 Listen, that's that's all fine and good. Yeah. And also, how about you nominate like that's fine

01:08:36.800 with me. Good. Clean up everything. Also, run candidates who can win elections. This is not

01:08:41.180 why are we pretending that this is rocket science? It's not rocket science. Somehow Katie Hobbs,

01:08:45.460 who has all the charisma of wet sponge, became governor of that state. And that was not because

01:08:49.880 of voter fraud. I'm sorry it wasn't. Yeah. It was like a lot of questions about the voting

01:08:53.860 machines of America. Let me let me put it this way. You're spending every election. If you spend every

01:08:57.640 election cycle from now until the end of time complaining about the voting machines,

01:09:00.520 this means you're losing an awful lot. Yeah, but can't you? You can also focus on cleaning that

01:09:04.780 up a little. I already said, go for it. Have at it, man. Go for it. You should. That's all fine.

01:09:09.440 That's dandy. Also, run good candidates in areas that make it easier to vote for the candidates,

01:09:14.360 at least at the very least. When you wake up the next morning, you've lost. You'll say it wasn't

01:09:17.720 the candidate. How about that? How about run candidates where you don't wake up the next morning

01:09:20.800 and go, man, we probably shouldn't have nominated Don Baldick in New Hampshire.

01:09:24.900 Let me ask you, you whippersnapper something. When people online, when people

01:09:30.360 on Twitter and social media are coming on and saying, Ben will say this, and there'll be people

01:09:36.620 who come on and say, no, you don't understand. They stole the election, and we have to go back

01:09:40.860 and litigate that election until we die. Are those left-wingers?

01:09:45.500 I think some of them are.

01:09:46.380 Some of them are. Not all of them, though.

01:09:48.380 Some of them are me. No, I don't know. I don't think we should relitigate old elections. But I do

01:09:53.200 think we need to be pretty clear-eyed about this, which is that there are shenanigans in every

01:09:57.100 election, and sometimes there are significant shenanigans. And when you shut the country

01:10:00.220 down for a year and you change all the election rules, you know, it's more like...

01:10:04.240 No, that's true.

01:10:05.260 Hugh Hewitt wrote a book back in, like, 2007, and he said, the title of the book was something

01:10:09.960 like, this isn't the exact title, but it was, win by enough, they can't steal it.

01:10:13.820 Right.

01:10:13.940 Yes.

01:10:14.420 Yeah.

01:10:14.740 Right? How about that? How about that? How about stop pretending that, like, if you lose

01:10:18.860 by 6 million votes instead of 7 million votes, we'll eke out a victory. How about we actually

01:10:21.880 go for just straight-up win?

01:10:23.120 Yeah, it's like, we were talking about the NFL before, it's an analogy is, as everyone

01:10:27.220 knows, after a game, the side that's complaining about the refs is the side that's lost.

01:10:33.100 That's right.

01:10:33.540 But it's also true that in the NFL, they've got a problem with the refs. They have a lot

01:10:36.140 of really bad refs.

01:10:36.900 No, you're right.

01:10:37.480 So, you have to do both, but at the same time, you don't want to put yourself in a

01:10:40.360 position where you have to be the one complaining about the damn refs.

01:10:42.540 Right.

01:10:42.900 So, that's, you know, a similar thing here.

01:10:44.240 Again, they're giving, it's such a target-rich environment that the fact that we even have to argue

01:10:47.160 over this stuff is completely insane to me.

01:10:49.300 Yeah.

01:10:49.440 I mean, if you look at the polls of the American people on how many Americans actually think

01:10:53.460 a man can be a woman, it's minuscule.

01:10:56.040 That number is really, really...

01:10:57.380 That's how they phrased the poll, though, we discovered.

01:10:59.740 Oh, really?

01:11:00.280 Yeah, I mean, the trans actors will pass around these polls and say, look, 60% are in favor

01:11:06.160 of gender-affirming care, that sort of thing.

01:11:07.960 But you have to...

01:11:08.340 Well, right, because gender-affirming care is the biggest crap in human history.

01:11:11.980 Gender-affirming care, sex-denying care.

01:11:14.060 How about we...

01:11:14.540 This is always the greatest thing about euphemisms.

01:11:16.020 The minute you explicitly state what is happening, they censor you, because there is literally

01:11:20.760 no way to explain what gender-affirming care is without talking about full-on destructive

01:11:24.760 mutilation of people.

01:11:25.880 Well, and there's also the phenomenon that Steven Pinker talks about of the euphemism treadmill,

01:11:29.980 which is why they always have to change the words and the phrases.

01:11:32.980 I beat Steven Pinker.

01:11:33.620 I talked about this years before Steven Pinker.

01:11:35.460 Did you really?

01:11:36.080 Yes, absolutely.

01:11:36.960 Well, so there's this plagiarist named Steven Pinker who talks about...

01:11:40.020 And the idea is that when there's something that is bad or something that people don't

01:11:46.060 really like, then you will use a new euphemism to make it sound a little bit better.

01:11:49.860 But the underlying reality colors that euphemism.

01:11:53.040 So at a certain point, you just have to cycle through the euphemisms.

01:11:55.820 But the advantage to them is that as they cycle through the euphemisms, the euphemism that's

01:12:00.400 like, two euphemisms back becomes the one that the other side uses because they think...

01:12:05.400 So a good example is for, you know, this...

01:12:07.420 I forget what firm it was, but they put this poll out, the trans activists were celebrating

01:12:11.420 it, and it was something like 60% support gender-affirming care.

01:12:14.360 And obviously, those 60% are people who most of them don't even know what that means.

01:12:18.360 They hear, well, gender-affirming sounds good.

01:12:21.560 Well, people responded, I think it was a Rasmussen poll, and they said, well, look at this poll.

01:12:26.100 It shows the numbers are flipped because they phrased the question honestly.

01:12:29.400 And it did show the numbers flipped.

01:12:30.720 It was 60% against.

01:12:32.580 But the question they posed was, do you support sex change surgeries for minors?

01:12:38.340 Which is a more honest question.

01:12:39.720 But even that is a euphemism.

01:12:41.040 Because you can't change sex.

01:12:41.820 Because you can't change sex.

01:12:43.380 But that becomes now the honest way of phrasing it.

01:12:46.520 That was just the euphemism they used in the 90s.

01:12:48.140 Correct.

01:12:48.420 If the question were, do you support cutting the penises off of minors?

01:12:52.360 The answer would be 0% plus Joe Biden.

01:12:55.620 Or do you support chemically castrating and sterilizing kids?

01:12:59.820 Oh, there's got to be called serial killers.

01:13:01.720 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:02.820 Are you in favor of carving a fake vagina into the flesh of a minors?

01:13:05.980 Yes, I am.

01:13:07.000 But isn't this why they win?

01:13:08.820 I mean, I actually do think this is why there was blowback to my speech at CPAC.

01:13:12.000 Is because I think the libs thought they had won the transgender issue.

01:13:16.520 And that now we were only going to debate, do you trans the kids at 8 or do you wait until they turn 9?

01:13:21.120 And what I called for is, no, it's just not true.

01:13:24.440 That's not how human nature works.

01:13:25.780 And so we should have a clear view of human nature.

01:13:28.020 And, you know, it's not 5-year-olds going into the women's bathroom, except with their mothers at an airport or something.

01:13:33.280 You know, it's 25-year-olds and 35-year-olds.

01:13:35.220 And we just have to decide.

01:13:36.240 Maybe we're going to live in a country where men who identify as women get to use the women's bathroom.

01:13:40.440 But what that necessarily means is that women no longer get their own bathrooms.

01:13:44.940 Or we're going to live in a society where women get their own bathrooms.

01:13:47.780 But that necessarily means that men who identify as women don't get to go into those bathrooms.

01:13:52.520 How are we going to relitigate that?

01:13:56.460 Because I think there are a lot of conservatives who say, you know, you do you, I do me.

01:14:00.280 I don't want to touch that kind of stuff.

01:14:02.360 Let's just talk about the kids.

01:14:03.400 Talk about the kids.

01:14:04.080 I totally agree with you.

01:14:05.220 And that's part of the, you know, I think it's a good strategy right now.

01:14:10.440 I mean, the most urgent moral issue when it comes to this are the kids.

01:14:13.580 The fact that they're doing this to kids, it's all the more grotesque.

01:14:16.860 And the trans kid is the new idol of the left, right?

01:14:20.080 But to me, it's also an incremental thing.

01:14:22.080 Like, let's deal with this.

01:14:23.400 Let's ban this.

01:14:24.520 We have a lot of momentum there.

01:14:26.980 But it doesn't, as far as I'm concerned, it's not like after that's done, if it is done.

01:14:31.220 It doesn't obviate the argument.

01:14:32.220 I also believe, and I've always said, I don't think doctors should be doing this to anyone.

01:14:39.700 It's like, obviously, it's not okay for a doctor.

01:14:43.220 Obviously, it's not okay to do it to a 15-year-old.

01:14:44.800 It's also not okay to do this to a 35-year-old.

01:14:46.500 You've got a 35-year-old walking in there who's clearly confused.

01:14:49.060 I mean, if somebody is asking to have their penis filleted to create a fake vagina, that is a horrible image.

01:14:56.560 That's what it is.

01:14:57.360 That's what it is.

01:14:58.040 Just went blind.

01:14:58.820 What a verb.

01:14:59.320 Yeah, you can't even say it out loud without cringing.

01:15:02.160 So that just shows that someone asked for that.

01:15:03.640 It already is clear that they're in some kind of mental distress.

01:15:06.480 So for a doctor to say, yeah, I'll do that for you if you pay me X amount of money is obviously medical malpractice.

01:15:13.620 And the female issue.

01:15:15.340 To me, women are at the core of this.

01:15:17.480 I mean, more and more women are waking up and finding out that the sexual revolution really left them out in the cold.

01:15:23.240 That feminism has really denied them their own identity.

01:15:26.220 That the idea that men shouldn't have their own private clubs now means that women can't even have their own sports.

01:15:32.200 You know, things that it's interesting that the transgender movement is more and more becoming a question of men pretending to be women.

01:15:39.500 There's not that many.

01:15:40.580 You don't see a lot of women pretending to be men joining men's sports.

01:15:43.780 I mean, that's just not happening.

01:15:45.300 But this is this is a feminist.

01:15:49.380 I hate to use the word because I'm so opposed to feminism, but it is a feminine issue.

01:15:53.420 The idea that women don't exist may be the single most offensive idea in the history of offensive ideas.

01:16:00.100 The idea that 50 percent of this country does not exist as who they are.

01:16:04.160 And because men have big mouths and because we're the guys who do the talking so much of the time, these women are being drowned out.

01:16:10.600 I mean, they're being beaten up in New Zealand by guys pretending to be women and the police stand by and do nothing.

01:16:16.680 Well, it was it was just Women's History Month and all the big awards during Women's History Month went to men.

01:16:21.680 How incredibly offensive is that?

01:16:23.800 You know, I mean, it's like and we who are men who love women, who have women that we love in our lives, you know, we have to understand that this is an assault on them.

01:16:31.500 This is a genuine attack on the fact that they exist.

01:16:35.000 It's an attack on gay people, you know, gay people who are people who like the same gender now no longer exist.

01:16:40.380 The assault goes on for both sides because actually it's actually it.

01:16:44.000 That's one of the interesting parts of this phenomenon is that is that when it comes to the adults that are going into the sports and the locker rooms,

01:16:51.480 that does focus on men who identify as trans, but adolescence, you know, 12 through 18, that's almost all girls.

01:17:02.640 Right.

01:17:03.100 I don't know what the numbers are exactly, but it's vast majority are girls.

01:17:06.160 Right.

01:17:06.620 And then I don't know if there are numbers on this, but it seems to me anyway that if you go younger and you're talking about five and six year old trans, trans kids,

01:17:13.960 so often it seems to be boys.

01:17:15.400 So that's an interest, it's like it's, it goes, it's boys.

01:17:18.520 And then, and then when you get to adolescence here, it's almost all girls.

01:17:20.760 Because it's rapid onset gender dysphoria when they're adolescent, right?

01:17:22.880 It's everybody using social media and it's all these girls who are feeling very insecure and feeling uncomfortable in their own bodies as they,

01:17:27.620 as they go into puberty.

01:17:28.760 And so they are going online and figuring out that the reason that they're feeling uncomfortable in their own body is because they're actually a member of the opposite sex.

01:17:34.860 I mean, this is pretty well documented by Lisa Lipman and also by Abigail Schreier.

01:17:38.620 And the, the, I mean, this, this all makes sense.

01:17:40.660 Listen, what this is, they push for androgyny, right?

01:17:44.000 When you push for androgyny, the victims are men and women, right?

01:17:47.980 But everybody else is fine.

01:17:49.460 Right, everyone else is fine.

01:17:51.580 And androgyny is the end.

01:17:53.700 So the, the cold biblical comfort that I take from all of this is that a society that does this is going to not exist.

01:17:58.660 Yes.

01:17:58.980 And so we can all argue about it and we can all fight back against it, but let's, let's be real about this.

01:18:03.740 This is not a society that can, that is either durable or can reproduce itself just on a pure kind of numerical level.

01:18:08.820 It's just not going to happen.

01:18:09.740 I mean, it's literally a movement that sterilizes people.

01:18:12.980 So the, the, the danger, of course, is on the individual level of ideological grooming in the schools, people taking advantage of your kid and wrecking your kid.

01:18:20.720 But on a civilizational level, there's, there's no durable civilization.

01:18:24.300 That's right.

01:18:24.620 It can be rooted in anything remotely like this, which, which, so again, that's cold comfort because when you actually love the civilization, we'd like to see the civilization preserved and you're watching all of its key tenets undermine.

01:18:34.620 But I, I would also add though, that, you know, just, just like birth control changed the sexual landscape, pretty soon they're going to have mechanical wombs.

01:18:44.180 And if women don't establish that they are in fact a thing, an actual thing, they're going to be obsolete.

01:18:50.440 And I think that that's a really frightening future because it's not a human future.

01:18:55.140 And I think that I'm, I'm all for solving the problems of humanity as long as we don't solve humanity in the process.

01:19:00.420 You know, I think.

01:19:00.740 The problem of humanity.

01:19:01.820 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:02.520 I think humanity is worth preserving.

01:19:04.400 And I think this is something that's coming down the pike.

01:19:06.820 I mean, I'm leaving town before you guys just have to deal with this.

01:19:09.900 I'll be the, again, I'll be the, the pessimistic optimist about all of this, which is that's a very expensive process.

01:19:14.140 And the people who want kids are very limited in Western society right now.

01:19:17.040 Yeah.

01:19:17.340 The number of people who are willing to put up tens of thousands of dollars to mechanically create a child in a fake womb.

01:19:21.600 It turns out, you know, it's a really cheap, easy, and fun way.

01:19:25.380 It turns out there's a really, really great way that mammals been doing it for legitimately all of history.

01:19:30.740 And it's affordable for everyone, as it turns out, and way more enjoyable.

01:19:35.180 And all the rest of the civilizations will be doing exactly that thing as they reproduce us out of existence.

01:19:40.820 Back in 2012, I remember the potential 2012 presidential candidate, Mitch Daniels.

01:19:46.900 I asked him once, I said, how can we beat the liberals?

01:19:49.720 And he said, well, there's two ways.

01:19:50.820 You can out-argue them or out-breed them, and the latter is more fun.

01:19:53.340 So one thing that people have been suggesting is that one option is we just sort of head out to our own communities.

01:20:01.000 The Benedictine option.

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