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00:01:55.380 How can a film be seat-gripping?

00:01:58.240 Seat-gripping.

00:01:58.700 The film is gripping the seat.

00:02:00.440 Listen, I didn't write it.

00:02:01.500 I read it off the front.

00:02:03.260 The movie really is good,

00:02:04.540 and I say that as someone who has seen the movie 16 times now.

00:02:08.160 One of the worst things about making a movie

00:02:10.100 or being involved in the making of a movie

00:02:11.560 is that you have to just watch it and watch it and make notes and make notes

00:02:14.820 and watch it and watch it, make sound notes, make sound notes,

00:02:16.960 and watch it and watch it and watch it.

00:02:18.360 And at some point, you hate the movie,

00:02:20.800 and it's at that very moment that you get to go share it with the world.

00:02:23.500 But it really is fantastic.

00:02:26.160 The cast did an amazing job.

00:02:27.440 The script is tremendous.

00:02:29.360 It's one of the best scripts I've ever read.

00:02:30.820 It's fantastic.

00:02:32.280 And it really is about motherhood,

00:02:35.700 about a woman who probably shouldn't be a mother

00:02:37.680 and who isn't a very good one.

00:02:39.900 But through this trauma and through what she has to endure,

00:02:43.900 she discovers what it means to be a mother

00:02:45.940 and what it means to take care of her children.

00:02:47.640 So at some point, they'll show you the trailer.

00:02:49.720 I honestly have no idea when.

00:02:51.020 What I want to open up talking about, though,

00:02:53.020 is how we kicked the government's ass last week.

00:02:57.360 Unbelievable.

00:02:57.920 Yes, yes.

00:02:58.900 Kudos.

00:02:59.460 And it's our first time to all get to be together since then.

00:03:01.640 For Drew and Ben,

00:03:04.080 because you guys weren't in office with us last week,

00:03:06.360 I was in a meeting.

00:03:07.360 The day started out,

00:03:08.660 and we thought the court might make a ruling

00:03:10.480 on the Biden vaccine mandate.

00:03:11.700 And of course, we were the first in the nation

00:03:13.580 to sue the Biden administration.

00:03:15.200 When the mandate came down,

00:03:16.520 we've wrapped up hundreds of thousands of dollars,

00:03:18.640 picked a fight with the government

00:03:20.500 to try to stop the vaccine mandate.

00:03:22.380 The stakes couldn't have been higher.

00:03:23.280 I actually think people, even right now,

00:03:24.980 most people haven't fully realized

00:03:27.360 what it would have meant had we lost this case.

00:03:30.240 People would come up to me and say,

00:03:31.660 well, if you had lost,

00:03:32.780 you still would have been in the fight, right?

00:03:34.120 I said, no, if we had lost, it would have been over.

00:03:36.000 Yeah.

00:03:36.240 If you lose it, there's no one to appeal to.

00:03:37.920 There is no more appeal, yeah.

00:03:39.380 And we're not talking about penalties of $100 a day

00:03:42.380 if you don't enforce it.

00:03:43.760 Bankrupt your company within two weeks.

00:03:45.220 And that was the goal.

00:03:45.780 I mean, the entire goal of the fines,

00:03:47.360 I mean, they literally went out of their way

00:03:48.900 to raise the fine in some of the regulations.

00:03:52.480 The original fine was something like $14,000 per fine.

00:03:55.420 And then they raised it to $140,000

00:03:57.320 for purposeful violation,

00:03:58.800 which was specifically dedicated

00:04:00.260 to going after companies like ours

00:04:01.820 that had made a public statement

00:04:02.840 that we weren't going to abide by the VAX mandate.

00:04:04.780 And by the way, one of the things,

00:04:05.820 it's a 900-page regulation from OSHA.

00:04:07.880 And what it never actually defined

00:04:09.160 is what is an instance.

00:04:10.320 So it was $140,000 per willful instance.

00:04:13.960 And so take the Daily Wire.

00:04:15.320 We have 150 full-time employees.

00:04:18.060 Each one of them is an instance each week.

00:04:21.080 They're talking about 150,000

00:04:22.800 or 140,000 times 150 every week.

00:04:25.720 The company wouldn't last.

00:04:26.880 So what would have happened is

00:04:28.060 it would have been enforced.

00:04:30.120 What would have happened is

00:04:31.060 the relationship between business and government

00:04:33.820 would have been changed in the country forever.

00:04:35.980 The relationship between employee and employer

00:04:37.980 would have been changed in the country forever.

00:04:39.940 And OSHA had already said,

00:04:41.340 this won't just apply to companies

00:04:43.180 with 100 or more employees.

00:04:44.260 As soon as we find out

00:04:46.040 that the courts aren't going to limit it,

00:04:48.080 we're going to extend this down to everyone,

00:04:49.540 including the self-employed.

00:04:50.520 If you have an employee, even yourself,

00:04:52.380 you'll have to enforce it.

00:04:53.160 What's so insane about this to me

00:04:54.740 is that I've been, like all of us,

00:04:56.600 I'm sure, kind of studying the vaccines

00:04:58.360 and watching the numbers

00:04:59.340 and watching interviews.

00:05:01.400 And I've come to the conclusion

00:05:03.080 that all over the world,

00:05:04.160 especially all over the West,

00:05:05.300 doctors,

00:05:06.920 actual,

00:05:07.520 not Tony Fauci fakes,

00:05:09.420 I mean actual real Jewish doctors,

00:05:11.280 are doing tests and experiments

00:05:15.520 and disagreeing with one another

00:05:17.440 and coming to different conclusions

00:05:19.000 and uncertain whether the vaccine,

00:05:20.300 how long the vaccines work,

00:05:21.640 whether they're strong and all this stuff.

00:05:23.520 Only the government

00:05:24.540 is absolutely so certain

00:05:26.680 about what's going on.

00:05:27.580 The government and guys on Twitter

00:05:28.680 are so certain about what's going on

00:05:30.280 that they are willing to destroy the businesses.

00:05:32.520 But this is the thing,

00:05:33.300 I think you're giving them

00:05:34.680 more credit than they deserve.

00:05:36.000 I really do.

00:05:36.920 I don't think they're certain of anything.

00:05:38.180 I think they're certain

00:05:38.660 that it doesn't work the way

00:05:39.540 that it was originally pitched to work.

00:05:40.820 And this is coming as a big advocate

00:05:41.980 of the vaccine.

00:05:43.380 Yeah, me too.

00:05:43.760 Somebody who's double vaxxed,

00:05:44.620 my wife is triple vaxxed,

00:05:45.440 my parents are triple vaxxed.

00:05:46.740 The fact is they are very good

00:05:47.940 at preventing hospitalization and death

00:05:49.220 and they are crappy

00:05:49.800 at preventing transmission.

00:05:50.800 Right.

00:05:51.300 Okay, this is the reality of the situation.

00:05:53.300 Omicron is 140 times

00:05:54.540 as transmissible as the original variant.

00:05:56.340 Yeah.

00:05:56.440 The cloth masks don't stop it,

00:05:58.240 not according to me,

00:05:58.940 according to Michael Osterholm,

00:06:00.120 who's a Biden advisor,

00:06:02.520 former FDA commissioner,

00:06:03.440 now according to Leanna Wen of CNN.

00:06:05.240 Everybody now acknowledges

00:06:06.220 that the cloth masks

00:06:06.980 are completely useless

00:06:07.760 against Omicron.

00:06:08.700 Osterholm went so far as to say

00:06:09.700 they've been useless

00:06:10.100 since the beginning of the pandemic.

00:06:11.460 I'm glad that we're allowed

00:06:12.300 to say that now.

00:06:13.060 But the government kept doubling down

00:06:15.340 because, again,

00:06:16.020 the premise for the government

00:06:16.860 is that the government

00:06:17.720 is capable of controlling

00:06:18.780 everything in your life.

00:06:19.620 And if you don't believe them,

00:06:20.420 they will try to control you

00:06:21.280 even harder.

00:06:22.000 I think because there were

00:06:22.820 too many Americans

00:06:23.420 who weren't listening

00:06:24.320 to the government,

00:06:25.160 they decided they had to

00:06:26.120 ram it down that much further.

00:06:27.560 And the thing to me

00:06:28.120 that was scary about the case

00:06:29.080 was that it was 6-3.

00:06:30.840 Yeah, that's scary to me too.

00:06:32.520 This is the part

00:06:32.800 that's totally frightening

00:06:33.500 because if you think about it

00:06:34.440 for one second,

00:06:35.300 I voted for Trump in 2020.

00:06:37.120 I've been very critical

00:06:37.740 of President Trump.

00:06:38.940 I was as critical of him

00:06:40.160 for many of the things

00:06:40.920 he did during his administration.

00:06:42.200 But he had three

00:06:43.200 Supreme Court nominees

00:06:44.320 and they were the margin

00:06:45.720 of victory here.

00:06:46.480 If that had been

00:06:46.940 a Democratic president

00:06:47.740 and there had been

00:06:48.420 a Democratic president

00:06:49.180 who was appointing

00:06:49.860 Democrat judges,

00:06:51.060 that would have been

00:06:51.620 a decision in favor

00:06:52.420 of the federal government

00:06:53.220 being able to cram

00:06:54.060 a vaccine mandate

00:06:54.680 down on 84 million Americans.

00:06:56.460 And here's the thing

00:06:57.300 when you read the dissents,

00:06:58.580 and it's the same three dissenters

00:06:59.700 as in the eviction moratorium case.

00:07:01.220 So according to those

00:07:02.180 three justices,

00:07:03.640 the federal government

00:07:04.360 using any auspices,

00:07:06.740 right, using any

00:07:07.520 four-letter or three-letter

00:07:09.060 agency at its disposal

00:07:10.260 can do literally

00:07:11.460 whatever it wants

00:07:12.580 without any sort

00:07:13.440 of statutory mandate.

00:07:14.260 And it can do so

00:07:15.260 at a moment's notice

00:07:16.080 so long as it declares

00:07:17.140 that there is

00:07:17.540 some sort of emergency.

00:07:18.860 And you know

00:07:19.160 that that was going to be,

00:07:19.820 I mean, that's effectively

00:07:20.700 the end of government

00:07:21.260 in America.

00:07:21.740 And it's frightening

00:07:22.080 how many people

00:07:22.740 agree with them.

00:07:23.400 I mean, there are people

00:07:23.900 who say apparently

00:07:25.280 a large number of Democrats,

00:07:26.620 like half of them,

00:07:27.500 say that the vaccinated

00:07:28.440 should be cast out

00:07:29.460 of their jobs

00:07:30.060 and put in cans.

00:07:30.780 It's insane.

00:07:32.240 Actually, in the

00:07:33.020 concurrent opinion

00:07:34.620 which accompanied

00:07:35.300 the court order...

00:07:36.640 This is the conservatives.

00:07:37.680 Yeah.

00:07:37.920 Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch

00:07:39.940 had a great line,

00:07:41.600 Ben, to your point,

00:07:42.200 saying that if they were

00:07:44.400 to have found

00:07:44.920 that OSHA

00:07:45.440 had this authority

00:07:46.620 because of the emergency

00:07:48.200 of COVID,

00:07:49.560 then, quote,

00:07:50.020 declarations of emergencies

00:07:51.080 would never end

00:07:52.160 and the liberties

00:07:53.020 our Constitution's

00:07:53.960 separation of power

00:07:54.780 seeks to preserve

00:07:55.560 would amount to little.

00:07:57.220 So that really is

00:07:58.160 what was it saying.

00:07:58.680 And we know that

00:07:59.160 for factors.

00:07:59.860 They've already declared

00:08:00.600 racism an emergency.

00:08:02.100 And climate change

00:08:02.780 an emergency

00:08:03.060 and every other thing.

00:08:03.920 What's amazing

00:08:04.420 is the conservative

00:08:05.720 concurring opinion

00:08:06.720 and the liberal dissent

00:08:08.120 both begin

00:08:08.980 with the same question.

00:08:10.420 The first line is,

00:08:11.380 the question is,

00:08:12.020 who decides?

00:08:12.940 And what the conservatives

00:08:13.680 are asking is,

00:08:14.340 who decides?

00:08:15.040 Some technocrat idiots

00:08:16.080 who have gotten

00:08:16.520 everything wrong

00:08:17.160 about the vaccine

00:08:17.940 or robed lawyers

00:08:18.900 on the Supreme Court

00:08:19.520 or the legislatures

00:08:20.720 which actually have

00:08:21.680 voiced an opinion.

00:08:22.440 The United States Senate

00:08:23.080 voiced an opinion

00:08:23.800 on the mandate

00:08:24.540 they disapproved of it.

00:08:25.460 And the liberals say,

00:08:27.060 who decides?

00:08:28.420 The Supreme Court

00:08:29.380 or the experts?

00:08:31.260 As if those are

00:08:31.880 the only two options.

00:08:33.040 As if the people

00:08:33.740 in the...

00:08:34.200 They say the administrative

00:08:35.760 agencies are the

00:08:37.040 more democratic version

00:08:38.020 because the courts

00:08:39.040 are lifelong appointees

00:08:40.300 but the administrative

00:08:41.040 agencies are answerable

00:08:42.020 to the president.

00:08:43.260 So this is literally

00:08:44.320 what it says

00:08:44.780 in the dissenting opinion.

00:08:46.080 So in their opinion

00:08:46.760 the way the government

00:08:47.320 should work

00:08:47.660 is that every four years

00:08:48.460 we should elect our dictator

00:08:49.300 and our dictator

00:08:50.160 should be able to dictate

00:08:50.900 whatever the executive branch does

00:08:52.220 and that is our only

00:08:53.540 outlet for democracy.

00:08:54.480 There are no checks

00:08:54.840 and balances anymore.

00:08:55.600 And by the way

00:08:56.000 the next dictator

00:08:56.760 because of public sector unions

00:08:58.320 and other rules

00:08:59.000 can't fire the bureaucracy.

00:09:01.200 So even the idea

00:09:02.140 that the bureaucracy...

00:09:02.580 The ratchet only moves one way.

00:09:03.440 That's right.

00:09:03.740 The ratchet only moves one way.

00:09:04.640 So you guys weren't in the office

00:09:05.720 when the order came down

00:09:06.820 but we started the day

00:09:07.720 thinking we might get

00:09:08.660 a decision from the court

00:09:09.520 and then the court

00:09:10.580 released an opinion

00:09:11.700 for the day.

00:09:12.400 It's a random opinion.

00:09:13.300 A very random

00:09:14.140 like it was about

00:09:14.760 some 1970 law

00:09:16.080 about who gets

00:09:16.820 Medicare or something.

00:09:18.560 Very, you know,

00:09:19.800 something that had

00:09:20.520 not, you know,

00:09:21.600 society changing

00:09:22.520 ramifications.

00:09:23.120 And the code

00:09:24.380 that they released it

00:09:25.460 had an R.

00:09:26.480 And in the entire history

00:09:27.520 of the court

00:09:28.120 when they release opinions

00:09:29.940 the one that has an R code

00:09:31.220 is the last one of the day.

00:09:32.680 And there's never been

00:09:33.580 an additional

00:09:34.200 court order or ruling made.

00:09:35.880 Well, we're already

00:09:36.540 in very unprecedented territory

00:09:38.120 because one thing

00:09:38.820 people don't realize

00:09:39.540 this case

00:09:40.480 is only the second time

00:09:41.640 in the history

00:09:42.320 of the country

00:09:42.940 that the court

00:09:43.840 has heard oral arguments

00:09:45.140 to oppose

00:09:47.120 an emergency temporary order

00:09:48.380 by the bureaucracy.

00:09:49.040 So a very rare thing

00:09:50.640 that the court

00:09:51.020 even heard our appeal,

00:09:52.080 that the court

00:09:52.380 even took up this case.

00:09:54.200 I had all these cameras

00:09:55.180 set up in my office

00:09:56.040 the night before

00:09:56.720 because we knew

00:09:57.260 orders might come down

00:09:58.160 the next morning.

00:09:59.220 The R code comes down.

00:10:00.460 We're all disappointed.

00:10:01.900 I tell them to strip

00:10:02.800 all the cameras

00:10:03.340 out of my office.

00:10:04.100 Poor Mathis, you know,

00:10:05.020 who's probably up all night

00:10:06.060 single-handedly hanging lights.

00:10:07.440 Has to go back in there

00:10:08.340 and take them all down.

00:10:09.780 And we go about our business

00:10:10.820 kind of deflated

00:10:11.540 because, you know,

00:10:12.900 every day that they don't,

00:10:14.720 you know,

00:10:15.260 reaffirm the stay,

00:10:16.880 the law is going into effect.

00:10:18.720 Parts of it are actually

00:10:19.540 already taking effect

00:10:20.840 and the country is already

00:10:21.540 changing all around us.

00:10:22.820 So I'm in a meeting

00:10:23.780 about some other,

00:10:24.720 you know,

00:10:25.220 shut-in or some other thing

00:10:26.400 and I suddenly hear,

00:10:28.080 because we have this sort of

00:10:28.700 open seating concept

00:10:29.540 in our office,

00:10:30.440 110 people out there

00:10:31.740 suddenly just go into

00:10:34.000 outrageous applause,

00:10:35.840 like shouting and clapping

00:10:37.400 and I open the door

00:10:39.000 and it really was like,

00:10:41.200 you know,

00:10:42.060 I wish that just like

00:10:43.480 a little kid with,

00:10:44.280 you know,

00:10:44.360 a little hat

00:10:44.840 had run in with a newspaper.

00:10:46.880 Extra, extra.

00:10:48.320 Did you hear it, mister?

00:10:49.480 Geez.

00:10:50.620 And our general counsel,

00:10:53.320 Josh Herr,

00:10:53.860 hands me the printed order,

00:10:55.700 still literally hot

00:10:56.560 off of the copy machine

00:10:57.820 and I got choked up

00:10:59.660 because we've been,

00:11:01.160 we've been living

00:11:02.080 with the stakes

00:11:02.880 of what this would actually mean,

00:11:04.100 not just for our company,

00:11:05.300 but for the country

00:11:06.000 and to be,

00:11:07.760 you know,

00:11:08.140 it's hard not to be cynical

00:11:09.480 when you're in our line of work,

00:11:10.960 to be handed this document

00:11:12.260 and to realize

00:11:13.040 that the court

00:11:13.820 had done the right thing,

00:11:14.640 that they had found

00:11:15.140 in favor of the Constitution,

00:11:16.260 found in favor

00:11:16.960 of administrative law,

00:11:18.480 found in favor

00:11:19.060 of our God-given rights.

00:11:20.720 Again,

00:11:21.280 as someone who's been

00:11:21.840 very pro-vaccine,

00:11:23.200 I'm very anti-tyranny.

00:11:24.940 Yeah,

00:11:25.180 yeah,

00:11:25.360 well,

00:11:25.540 that's not that hard

00:11:26.940 a concept to understand.

00:11:27.920 Not that hard a concept.

00:11:28.720 What do you guys think?

00:11:29.700 I'm really interested

00:11:30.560 to hear what you think

00:11:31.320 about Kavanaugh

00:11:32.480 going over to the other side

00:11:34.480 on the healthcare workers.

00:11:37.160 I wish that they had found

00:11:38.140 differently on the healthcare case.

00:11:39.900 You know,

00:11:40.020 some people attacked us

00:11:40.960 on Twitter

00:11:41.300 when we were celebrating

00:11:42.160 our victory,

00:11:42.940 and they said,

00:11:43.980 but you aren't fighting for,

00:11:45.860 well,

00:11:46.120 we don't have standing.

00:11:47.580 We can't bring that lawsuit.

00:11:49.200 That is not our suit.

00:11:49.940 Yeah,

00:11:50.180 you got to celebrate victories

00:11:51.160 when you get it.

00:11:51.740 That's right.

00:11:52.220 I got the same thing

00:11:52.960 on my show,

00:11:53.460 and it's just,

00:11:54.220 this is a huge victory

00:11:55.500 that we pulled ourselves

00:11:56.960 back from the brink,

00:11:57.840 and I think there's a real wisdom

00:12:00.020 in celebrating that

00:12:02.300 and even gloating over it

00:12:03.420 a little bit

00:12:03.840 so that it shows

00:12:04.560 that we're not just losers

00:12:05.880 all the time.

00:12:06.580 Although,

00:12:07.480 you know,

00:12:08.460 for me,

00:12:09.080 because I am always looking

00:12:10.240 for the dark clouded

00:12:11.840 with the lining,

00:12:13.280 it is,

00:12:13.940 it's a very terrifying thing

00:12:15.820 as we talked about

00:12:16.840 that they wanted to do this

00:12:18.340 in the first place,

00:12:19.040 that they wanted to actually bankrupt

00:12:20.460 a majority of the country,

00:12:22.680 the companies in the country,

00:12:24.200 and that's something

00:12:24.780 to keep in mind

00:12:25.240 as we go into the midterm elections.

00:12:26.540 This is what,

00:12:27.700 on the Democrat side,

00:12:28.580 it's not like there was

00:12:29.440 debate about this.

00:12:30.800 There were no dissenting voices

00:12:32.920 hardly at all

00:12:33.720 among Democrats.

00:12:34.740 They all,

00:12:35.380 there's something else,

00:12:36.500 there's a mentality

00:12:37.200 that was made very clear to me

00:12:39.460 by some of the folks

00:12:40.200 on Twitter on the left

00:12:40.960 over all of this.

00:12:41.940 So I put out a tweet

00:12:43.680 basically saying

00:12:44.880 that we're really excited

00:12:45.800 that we stood

00:12:46.340 with our employees

00:12:46.940 and our employees

00:12:47.680 are now protected

00:12:49.240 by the law

00:12:49.840 and that they are going

00:12:51.380 to get to retain their jobs.

00:12:52.680 And some,

00:12:53.340 and a leftist

00:12:54.420 who shall remain unnamed

00:12:55.140 tweeted back

00:12:56.360 and he was like,

00:12:56.760 so what you're really celebrating

00:12:57.560 is that you get to force

00:12:58.400 your employees back into work

00:13:00.040 in an unsafe environment.

00:13:01.800 And I said,

00:13:02.980 and I felt like

00:13:04.300 you can't name

00:13:05.560 one of the employees

00:13:06.580 of this company.

00:13:07.340 You can't name them.

00:13:08.580 I mean,

00:13:08.780 this is the,

00:13:09.360 the leftist conceit

00:13:10.280 is they know better than you

00:13:12.320 what is good for them.

00:13:13.600 And they care.

00:13:14.080 They care so much

00:13:15.020 that they would rather

00:13:15.620 fire your,

00:13:16.180 you know,

00:13:16.820 they care.

00:13:17.420 At gunpoint.

00:13:17.960 Yeah.

00:13:18.260 They care so much

00:13:19.260 about my employees

00:13:20.000 who they don't know

00:13:20.800 from Adam

00:13:21.800 and whose salaries

00:13:23.060 they don't pay

00:13:23.680 and whose,

00:13:24.420 and thank God,

00:13:25.720 you know,

00:13:25.860 we have the ability

00:13:26.800 at this company

00:13:27.320 to go out of our way

00:13:28.100 for our employees

00:13:28.680 and we try to do that

00:13:29.640 as much as we possibly can.

00:13:30.840 We've done that

00:13:31.100 in a lot of different

00:13:31.960 circumstances

00:13:32.520 because we actually care

00:13:33.580 about the people

00:13:34.240 who work at this company

00:13:35.120 and to have some leftist

00:13:36.520 jet in on a parachute

00:13:37.740 and basically say,

00:13:39.080 well, you know,

00:13:39.380 but I care more

00:13:39.940 about your employees

00:13:40.560 and I'm trying to protect them

00:13:41.440 and that's why

00:13:41.800 they have to be fired.

00:13:43.220 It's the same exact mentality

00:13:44.680 as all of these jackasses

00:13:46.300 when it comes to

00:13:47.060 raising your kids,

00:13:48.080 right?

00:13:48.260 It's that you don't,

00:13:48.940 I care more about your kids

00:13:49.980 than you care about your kids

00:13:50.860 which is why I have to dictate

00:13:51.900 how your kids are going

00:13:52.680 to be educated

00:13:53.240 and how they're going

00:13:53.800 to learn about race

00:13:54.440 and how they're going

00:13:54.840 to learn about gender identity

00:13:55.760 because I care about your kids.

00:13:57.440 You don't know my kids.

00:13:58.440 You don't know my employees.

00:14:01.100 What you care about

00:14:01.580 is your own vision

00:14:02.340 of controlling the universe

00:14:03.460 wherein everyone is a widget.

00:14:05.080 Everybody's either a tool

00:14:06.000 of your vision

00:14:06.540 or an obstacle to your vision

00:14:07.660 and you must control

00:14:08.680 everybody top down.

00:14:10.000 Well, you know what?

00:14:10.820 You.

00:14:11.840 And you know,

00:14:12.420 on top of this,

00:14:13.100 this whole idea of caring

00:14:14.100 really bothers me.

00:14:14.940 You know,

00:14:15.060 the guy who said,

00:14:16.020 the NBA owner who said

00:14:17.800 nobody cares about the Uyghurs.

00:14:19.180 It's like,

00:14:19.760 who cares if you care?

00:14:20.600 You don't do the right thing

00:14:21.860 because you care.

00:14:22.640 You do the right thing

00:14:23.180 because it's right.

00:14:24.620 Everybody cares more about money

00:14:26.580 than the Uyghurs.

00:14:27.360 Every single person,

00:14:28.080 even the Uyghurs,

00:14:28.800 care more about money

00:14:29.460 than doing the right thing.

00:14:30.380 You know,

00:14:30.960 you do the right thing.

00:14:31.600 I care more about myself

00:14:32.660 than a stranger,

00:14:33.380 but I'm still called upon

00:14:34.420 to run into a burning building

00:14:35.560 to pull the stranger out.

00:14:36.420 That's right.

00:14:36.860 Not because I care more about this.

00:14:38.000 Yes.

00:14:38.260 Because I care about something

00:14:39.260 more than me.

00:14:40.080 Exactly, exactly.

00:14:41.280 When did we decide

00:14:42.020 to stop upholding free speech

00:14:43.480 as a basic right?

00:14:44.800 What's playing out right now

00:14:45.760 at big tech companies

00:14:46.620 and social media sites

00:14:47.800 sets a dangerous precedent.

00:14:49.360 Look,

00:14:49.880 it doesn't matter

00:14:50.600 what your politics are

00:14:51.540 or who you voted for.

00:14:52.660 I mean,

00:14:52.880 it matters to me

00:14:53.540 at the Daily Wire,

00:14:54.320 but it doesn't matter

00:14:55.260 in regard to your privacy.

00:14:56.520 Everyone should have

00:14:57.340 the right to express themselves

00:14:58.560 freely.

00:14:59.080 Sadly,

00:15:01.080 the big tech monopoly

00:15:01.260 has instead opted

00:15:02.560 for silencing tactics

00:15:03.660 and censorship

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00:16:16.660 One other point about this

00:16:18.320 I think is important to make

00:16:19.100 because

00:16:19.500 we know that there are still

00:16:21.860 plenty of companies

00:16:22.600 that are enforcing

00:16:23.160 the vaccine mandate

00:16:23.780 even though they don't have to

00:16:24.700 and Carhartt

00:16:26.080 was the most recent example

00:16:27.440 and they sent an email out

00:16:28.760 reportedly saying

00:16:29.900 that they're going to

00:16:30.780 enforce the mandate

00:16:31.980 if you're not vaccinated

00:16:32.640 you're going to get fired

00:16:33.180 and so then there's a question

00:16:35.320 about what do we

00:16:36.220 do we just

00:16:36.800 to the employees

00:16:37.860 of those companies

00:16:38.660 do we just say

00:16:39.240 you're on your own

00:16:40.100 what should we do about that

00:16:41.200 and there's not

00:16:42.760 the same issue

00:16:43.700 with rights I suppose

00:16:45.000 that there is

00:16:46.020 when the government's doing it

00:16:46.960 but there still is

00:16:48.200 a problem here

00:16:49.280 and I think

00:16:50.580 if you're upset

00:16:51.640 about that

00:16:52.100 about the companies

00:16:52.700 that are still

00:16:53.240 imposing this

00:16:53.840 on their employees

00:16:54.380 what bothers me

00:16:56.360 when I see

00:16:57.560 conservatives in media

00:16:59.140 or just on social media

00:17:00.300 saying

00:17:00.740 well you know

00:17:01.940 you should quit

00:17:02.860 you should quit your job

00:17:03.820 if there's a vaccine

00:17:06.440 you should just quit

00:17:07.080 and take a stand

00:17:07.740 well you know what

00:17:08.720 I'm in a fortunate position

00:17:10.580 where my employer

00:17:11.660 was suing the government

00:17:12.380 to not do this

00:17:13.040 so I don't have to worry about it

00:17:13.940 but I've got four kids

00:17:15.760 to feed

00:17:16.060 and I've got a wife

00:17:16.640 and I've got my family

00:17:17.860 that I've got to worry about

00:17:18.500 so I can't afford

00:17:19.760 to just storm out one day

00:17:22.020 might make me feel good

00:17:23.100 but then I go home

00:17:23.780 to my kids

00:17:24.160 and I say

00:17:24.460 daddy took a stand

00:17:25.380 and they say

00:17:25.700 great how am I going to eat tonight

00:17:26.780 this is the common

00:17:27.380 collective action problem

00:17:28.600 that we see

00:17:29.280 all across our society

00:17:30.300 it's very easy

00:17:31.420 for sort of

00:17:31.880 the armchair quarterback

00:17:32.880 to say that other people

00:17:34.380 should lay down their lives

00:17:35.540 or lay down their livelihoods

00:17:36.880 unless you have

00:17:37.440 collective action though

00:17:38.700 none of that will work

00:17:39.740 so if you quit your job

00:17:41.200 over this

00:17:41.800 the government doesn't care

00:17:43.860 Joe Biden doesn't care

00:17:44.780 if you can't provide

00:17:45.360 for your family

00:17:45.860 that's great for Joe Biden

00:17:46.900 and Carhartt will just replace

00:17:48.580 you with another employee

00:17:49.160 but here's the point

00:17:50.880 if that's your position

00:17:53.140 that we

00:17:53.660 there's another

00:17:55.520 group of people

00:17:56.620 who can make

00:17:57.160 a much smaller sacrifice

00:17:58.460 and bring about the change

00:18:00.940 that would be the consumers

00:18:02.600 so all of the consumers

00:18:04.240 of Carhartt

00:18:05.000 they could say

00:18:05.660 we're not going to buy

00:18:06.340 your product anymore

00:18:07.100 until you get rid

00:18:07.940 of this VAX mandate

00:18:09.180 and for us

00:18:10.300 I buy Carhartt sometimes

00:18:11.400 it's basically

00:18:12.180 zero sacrifice

00:18:13.280 for me to buy

00:18:13.840 no more car

00:18:14.260 I could buy some other

00:18:14.860 I got 15 jackets

00:18:15.840 in my closet already

00:18:16.420 or I could buy a jacket

00:18:17.240 from somewhere else

00:18:17.760 so that's really

00:18:19.120 where the own issue

00:18:19.740 if we're concerned

00:18:20.680 about this

00:18:21.180 and doing something

00:18:22.800 about the VAX mandates

00:18:23.600 that are chosen

00:18:24.580 by these employers

00:18:25.240 then we should be looking

00:18:26.440 at the consumers

00:18:27.180 I think more than the

00:18:28.200 employees

00:18:28.900 I want to make one defense

00:18:29.940 actually of Carhartt

00:18:31.080 and others

00:18:31.380 and it's a tepid defense

00:18:32.960 I'll grant you

00:18:33.900 but it's this

00:18:34.540 I believe that

00:18:36.320 any company in America

00:18:37.420 has the right

00:18:38.220 to enforce a vaccine mandate

00:18:39.580 all things being equal

00:18:41.200 I believe that

00:18:42.100 any company in America

00:18:43.040 should have the right

00:18:43.780 to not hire black people

00:18:45.360 or not hire Jews

00:18:46.220 or only hire

00:18:47.320 left-handed leftists

00:18:49.000 I think the market

00:18:50.640 is perfectly capable

00:18:51.780 of solving that problem

00:18:53.240 in practice

00:18:53.820 because if you don't

00:18:54.760 hire black people

00:18:55.460 no one is going to

00:18:56.420 shop at your business

00:18:56.980 if you don't hire Jews

00:18:57.720 in this country

00:18:58.460 no one is going to

00:18:59.140 shop at your business

00:18:59.640 we'll drive you out

00:19:00.300 of business

00:19:00.620 with our dollars

00:19:01.240 with our market activity

00:19:03.340 that is to me

00:19:04.680 what freedom

00:19:05.080 should look like

00:19:05.800 but see

00:19:06.340 in this instance

00:19:07.280 things aren't equal

00:19:08.340 because while I think

00:19:09.380 in the abstract

00:19:09.940 that a company

00:19:10.520 may have the right

00:19:11.240 to enforce vaccinations

00:19:12.200 I also think

00:19:13.140 in the abstract

00:19:13.620 a 22 year old

00:19:15.120 blonde haired

00:19:16.460 blue eyed intern

00:19:17.220 at the Daily Wire

00:19:17.960 may decide

00:19:18.820 that she wants

00:19:19.200 to have sex

00:19:19.640 with an old

00:19:20.080 fat rich guy

00:19:20.920 who calls himself

00:19:21.720 a god king

00:19:22.320 in the abstract

00:19:23.800 that is absolutely

00:19:24.640 possible

00:19:24.960 you can dream

00:19:25.240 anyway

00:19:25.500 in practice though

00:19:27.540 we have concluded

00:19:28.320 as a society

00:19:29.100 that I have intrinsic

00:19:30.460 power over that intern

00:19:31.820 and that my

00:19:32.640 intrinsic power over her

00:19:34.420 not an active threat

00:19:36.060 there may not even be

00:19:37.440 I may never make a threat

00:19:38.760 but intrinsically

00:19:40.020 my authority results

00:19:41.240 in a situation

00:19:41.840 where she is

00:19:43.160 in some ways

00:19:44.020 being pressured

00:19:44.580 in some ways

00:19:45.140 being brainwashed

00:19:45.960 even if she thinks

00:19:46.580 she does like me

00:19:47.340 by the power

00:19:48.140 that I have over her

00:19:48.920 the government

00:19:49.480 isn't using intrinsic

00:19:50.740 power to coerce

00:19:52.620 businesses right now

00:19:53.460 it's using extrinsic

00:19:55.340 it's using every single

00:19:56.600 power at its disposal

00:19:57.380 local governments

00:19:58.720 like Los Angeles

00:19:59.640 Washington D.C.

00:20:00.720 state governments

00:20:01.440 like California

00:20:02.340 or New York State

00:20:03.160 and Biden

00:20:04.500 through every federal

00:20:05.720 mechanism possible

00:20:06.580 have been essentially

00:20:07.480 telling businesses

00:20:08.220 you will comply

00:20:09.160 or we will destroy you

00:20:10.580 you will comply

00:20:11.440 or you will bankrupt

00:20:12.320 we will bankrupt you

00:20:13.180 you will have sex

00:20:14.020 with me

00:20:14.340 or I will fire you

00:20:15.360 they're actively

00:20:16.200 saying it

00:20:16.740 and in that environment

00:20:17.620 with the media

00:20:18.460 reinforcing it

00:20:19.260 for two years now

00:20:20.900 I don't know

00:20:21.900 that you can say

00:20:22.660 that a company

00:20:23.260 like Carhartt

00:20:23.900 is actually

00:20:24.340 deciding that

00:20:25.540 on their own

00:20:26.060 but this is a little

00:20:26.600 different than

00:20:27.060 the other examples

00:20:27.960 I agree with you

00:20:29.100 that I think

00:20:29.920 a business

00:20:30.600 should be able

00:20:31.080 to be run

00:20:31.620 by bigots

00:20:32.400 and I would never

00:20:33.040 go there

00:20:33.520 and I think

00:20:33.860 we should shut

00:20:34.440 them down

00:20:34.800 but this is

00:20:35.860 you're not allowed

00:20:36.400 to force someone

00:20:37.060 else to be a bigot

00:20:37.880 you're not allowed

00:20:38.560 to say to somebody

00:20:39.260 you have to do this

00:20:40.280 this is actively

00:20:41.500 telling people

00:20:42.780 to do something

00:20:43.620 that they have a right

00:20:45.200 to not do

00:20:46.040 but this is why

00:20:47.300 I'm saying

00:20:47.520 my defense is tepid

00:20:48.540 all I'm saying

00:20:49.420 is that these businesses

00:20:50.340 who are in places

00:20:51.480 like New York

00:20:52.160 many of them

00:20:52.660 in places like LA

00:20:53.620 in places like

00:20:54.280 San Francisco

00:20:54.300 well you're actually

00:20:54.540 saying that state

00:20:55.260 governments should

00:20:55.860 step in

00:20:56.580 and say

00:20:57.420 there will be no

00:20:59.060 coercion of vaccines

00:21:00.380 in this state

00:21:00.920 because what you're

00:21:02.040 saying really is that

00:21:02.860 there is no

00:21:03.540 neutral space anymore

00:21:04.340 were there a neutral space

00:21:05.560 this is what I'm saying

00:21:06.280 I'm saying that the government

00:21:07.160 has coerced these businesses

00:21:08.320 already

00:21:09.000 so the argument

00:21:09.680 isn't actually a defense

00:21:10.420 of the business

00:21:10.780 to make clear

00:21:11.300 that's right

00:21:11.700 what it really is

00:21:12.600 is that you're saying

00:21:13.240 that were there a neutral space

00:21:14.340 people could make

00:21:14.820 their own decisions

00:21:15.320 there is no neutral space

00:21:16.240 the government

00:21:16.680 has occupied the space

00:21:17.640 that means the only thing

00:21:18.560 that can occupy the space

00:21:19.380 is government

00:21:19.780 in opposition to government

00:21:20.540 and I think there's

00:21:21.500 a lot of truth to that

00:21:22.080 it's like segregation

00:21:22.900 in the south

00:21:23.380 the government caused it

00:21:24.360 only the government

00:21:24.960 can fix it

00:21:25.320 you get into a battle

00:21:26.260 of the mandates here

00:21:27.160 which is actually

00:21:27.780 in the concurring opinion

00:21:28.740 the conservative

00:21:29.480 concurring opinion

00:21:31.500 with the three conservatives

00:21:32.340 on the court

00:21:32.860 said we're not suggesting

00:21:34.780 that state and local governments

00:21:36.280 can't impose mandates

00:21:37.280 we're actually not even

00:21:38.040 saying that

00:21:38.540 what we're saying

00:21:39.400 is that OSHA

00:21:40.140 does not have the legal

00:21:41.080 right to do this

00:21:41.880 and so in certain

00:21:43.420 conservative states

00:21:44.180 you can see Ron DeSantis

00:21:45.220 saying we're not going

00:21:46.100 to have vaccine mandates

00:21:46.920 so it's an anti-mandate mandate

00:21:48.840 but that's still coming

00:21:49.580 from the government

00:21:50.060 it's created a massive

00:21:51.160 gridlock in Florida

00:21:51.940 for example

00:21:52.420 Governor DeSantis

00:21:53.300 he said that he is not

00:21:55.000 going to allow hospitals

00:21:56.260 to impose the vax mandate

00:21:58.000 well the Supreme Court

00:21:59.020 came down on the side

00:21:59.860 of hospitals

00:22:00.520 in order to receive

00:22:01.620 Medicaid and Medicare dollars

00:22:02.820 they might be forced

00:22:04.120 to do that

00:22:04.980 so this now puts hospitals

00:22:06.220 in this bizarre

00:22:06.940 kind of choice of law situation

00:22:08.260 where can they accept

00:22:09.540 Medicare dollars

00:22:10.020 can they accept Medicaid dollars

00:22:11.020 do they have to abide

00:22:11.660 by the vax mandate

00:22:12.260 or not abide by the vax mandate

00:22:13.260 it's going to end up

00:22:13.800 back in court

00:22:14.280 is the answer

00:22:14.860 to that question

00:22:15.720 but if you're an administrator

00:22:16.560 at a hospital

00:22:17.160 you now really have

00:22:18.200 a problem on your hands

00:22:19.840 which is why what Kavanaugh

00:22:20.540 did is so bad

00:22:21.180 I mean Kavanaugh

00:22:21.620 certainly should not have

00:22:22.340 voted the way

00:22:22.720 that he voted

00:22:23.080 on the CMS case

00:22:23.820 there was no legal basis

00:22:24.580 to do so

00:22:25.280 but you know

00:22:26.140 on a broader level

00:22:27.100 you know

00:22:27.900 putting aside

00:22:28.880 the vax mandate

00:22:29.760 specifically

00:22:30.420 can we just say

00:22:31.460 that this has been

00:22:31.940 the second worst week

00:22:33.420 of the Biden administration

00:22:34.040 I mean this guy

00:22:35.360 is a full scale disaster

00:22:37.660 I mean he

00:22:38.340 I think a year in

00:22:39.620 it is fair to say

00:22:40.600 that he is the worst president

00:22:41.820 in American history

00:22:42.520 one year into his administration

00:22:43.820 it's astonishing

00:22:44.480 it's unbelievable

00:22:46.380 and here's the thing

00:22:47.480 it's entirely 100% self-caused

00:22:49.860 yep

00:22:50.080 right that's the part

00:22:50.940 that's crazy

00:22:51.360 right

00:22:51.760 if you were to look

00:22:52.620 at the first year

00:22:53.780 of the Bush administration

00:22:54.920 right

00:22:55.180 Bush gets inaugurated

00:22:55.900 in 2001

00:22:56.560 September 11th

00:22:57.560 he gets September 11th

00:22:58.580 okay that's a pretty

00:22:59.480 bad thing to happen

00:23:00.240 while you're presidents

00:23:01.120 of the United States

00:23:01.940 okay but he didn't

00:23:02.960 cause September 11th

00:23:04.040 controversy

00:23:04.320 oh you're one of those

00:23:05.080 yeah

00:23:05.340 but Joe

00:23:07.560 every problem

00:23:08.380 that Joe Biden

00:23:09.000 is experiencing

00:23:09.660 right now

00:23:10.160 is because of Joe Biden

00:23:11.280 right

00:23:11.760 inflation is because

00:23:12.680 of Joe Biden

00:23:13.260 the complete collapse

00:23:14.440 of the United States

00:23:15.340 on foreign policy

00:23:16.020 leading to by the way

00:23:16.780 joint military exercises

00:23:17.820 now between Russia

00:23:18.420 China and Iran

00:23:19.200 that is because

00:23:20.520 Joe Biden pulled

00:23:21.480 precipitously out of

00:23:22.380 Afghanistan

00:23:22.760 for no apparent reason

00:23:23.780 the complete destruction

00:23:25.840 of all sort of

00:23:27.480 semblance of

00:23:28.240 rationality

00:23:29.060 with regard to COVID

00:23:29.620 that is on Joe Biden

00:23:30.820 because Joe Biden

00:23:31.660 was handed the vaxxas

00:23:32.520 he was handed

00:23:33.260 a distribution plan

00:23:34.100 and then he got handed

00:23:35.180 the greatest gift

00:23:35.840 that any president

00:23:36.340 could be handed

00:23:36.860 which is the

00:23:37.380 endemic nature

00:23:38.320 of this disease

00:23:39.440 okay Omicron

00:23:40.440 is a gift

00:23:41.020 to the Biden administration

00:23:41.840 if you could just

00:23:42.340 see it as that

00:23:43.000 it is an extraordinarily

00:23:43.940 non-deadly form

00:23:45.040 of this disease

00:23:45.540 that every single human

00:23:46.460 including those

00:23:46.980 who are triple vaxxed

00:23:47.620 is going to get

00:23:48.200 he could just say

00:23:48.900 listen you're going

00:23:49.760 to get Omicron

00:23:50.300 you should get vaxxed

00:23:51.340 because of a lower

00:23:51.720 chance of hospitalization

00:23:52.640 and death

00:23:53.020 but chances are

00:23:54.560 extremely high

00:23:55.140 that you're going to live

00:23:55.760 and now we should

00:23:56.860 all go back to normal

00:23:57.460 and we should lead our lives

00:23:58.520 and we've done a great job

00:23:59.520 of tranching out the vaccines

00:24:00.460 credit to us

00:24:01.200 pat ourselves on the back

00:24:02.100 what an amazing job

00:24:02.860 we've done

00:24:03.200 go back to normal

00:24:03.880 he can't do any of those things

00:24:05.400 so he's proposing

00:24:06.080 trillions of dollars

00:24:06.760 and more spending

00:24:07.240 and then he's swiveling to

00:24:08.720 what if I just call

00:24:09.560 everybody in the United States

00:24:10.580 who disagrees with me

00:24:11.260 all 7 in 10 Americans

00:24:12.280 vicious brutal

00:24:13.440 Jim Crow racists

00:24:14.400 who want to turn

00:24:14.980 fire hoses on black people

00:24:16.320 it's insane

00:24:17.320 Putin must have laughed

00:24:19.160 into his sleeve

00:24:20.020 when he heard that speech

00:24:21.020 first of all

00:24:21.400 it's one of the ugliest

00:24:22.120 speeches I've ever heard

00:24:23.060 for all the time

00:24:23.960 I have knocked

00:24:25.020 Donald Trump

00:24:26.120 for his comportment

00:24:27.120 again and again

00:24:27.860 and the way he treated

00:24:28.560 people and all this stuff

00:24:29.340 he never said anything

00:24:30.820 anything remotely like this

00:24:32.580 and when Putin

00:24:33.760 is sitting there

00:24:34.240 looking at whether

00:24:35.080 we're going to take

00:24:35.880 strong action

00:24:37.020 against him in the Ukraine

00:24:38.520 he's sitting there thinking

00:24:39.540 take strong action

00:24:40.280 against me

00:24:40.800 they're fighting

00:24:41.400 with each other

00:24:41.940 they're calling each other

00:24:42.720 racist and bigots

00:24:43.580 you know why would he even

00:24:44.660 worry about what we're doing

00:24:45.860 we're so busy

00:24:46.360 being at each other's throats

00:24:47.860 that was a disgrace

00:24:49.460 I gotta say

00:24:50.260 I agree

00:24:51.100 one of the worst speeches

00:24:52.220 ever by an American president

00:24:53.260 really really

00:24:53.880 and that nobody

00:24:55.160 you know

00:24:56.020 this is what gets me

00:24:57.040 all the time

00:24:57.700 it's not what politicians do

00:24:59.620 because politicians suck

00:25:00.800 you know

00:25:01.380 it is not what they do

00:25:02.240 it is having a

00:25:03.440 utterly corrupt

00:25:04.520 corporate press

00:25:05.680 that will not

00:25:07.160 call them out on this

00:25:08.120 there were some people

00:25:09.600 even on the Democrat side

00:25:11.060 who looked at this

00:25:12.100 and said

00:25:12.540 Dick Durbin

00:25:13.940 Dick Durbin

00:25:14.900 the senator from Illinois

00:25:15.740 who once compared

00:25:16.460 Gitmo to Pol Pot

00:25:17.960 and Hitler

00:25:18.900 I actually like

00:25:19.780 who was the guy

00:25:20.900 who said on CNN

00:25:22.340 the other day

00:25:22.960 that we don't have

00:25:24.020 bad leaders

00:25:24.780 we have bad followers

00:25:25.600 a Democrat guy

00:25:28.540 and now they're saying

00:25:29.820 that white women

00:25:30.340 are no good

00:25:30.800 who's going to be left

00:25:31.720 to vote for these people

00:25:32.460 to your point

00:25:33.220 Donald Trump

00:25:34.620 whatever you say

00:25:36.080 about his rhetoric

00:25:36.620 he would attack

00:25:37.400 specific individuals

00:25:38.280 usually people in media

00:25:39.180 other politicians

00:25:39.840 who attacked him

00:25:40.920 he had personal grudges

00:25:41.740 whereas what you get

00:25:42.520 from Biden

00:25:42.920 and the Democrats

00:25:43.320 is they just hate everybody

00:25:44.340 they hate the entire country

00:25:45.380 it is amazing

00:25:46.140 and we should also

00:25:47.560 just know

00:25:48.320 I think it's important

00:25:49.060 to emphasize

00:25:49.400 that the entire

00:25:50.120 premise of his speech

00:25:51.020 is a total fantasy

00:25:52.280 that there is nobody

00:25:53.120 and I say this

00:25:54.120 there's nobody

00:25:54.740 attacking voting rights

00:25:55.840 I say this as someone

00:25:57.080 who wishes

00:25:57.540 that we would attack

00:25:58.300 voting rights

00:25:58.780 so when I hear

00:26:00.080 the voting rights

00:26:00.520 under attack

00:26:00.920 I always get my hopes up

00:26:01.780 I'm like finally

00:26:02.440 it's happening

00:26:03.420 but that's not

00:26:04.440 I'm the only person

00:26:05.380 who's saying

00:26:05.680 we should actually

00:26:06.100 curtail voting rights

00:26:06.720 I believe that

00:26:07.180 nobody else believes it

00:26:08.280 everyone else is saying

00:26:09.100 let's just have everybody

00:26:10.400 we don't even invite

00:26:11.040 you over to our party

00:26:11.860 we're like

00:26:12.300 oh man

00:26:13.000 it is amazing though

00:26:14.260 that in a week

00:26:14.920 where Kamala Harris

00:26:15.880 gave us

00:26:16.440 the soaring

00:26:17.300 vice presidential rhetoric

00:26:18.640 of

00:26:19.060 it is time to do

00:26:21.040 what we have been doing

00:26:22.700 and that time

00:26:24.000 is every day

00:26:24.880 that is one of the

00:26:26.260 great quotes

00:26:26.660 I know

00:26:27.320 Mr. Gorbachev

00:26:29.160 tear down this wall

00:26:29.900 it is time to do

00:26:30.560 what we have been doing

00:26:31.100 and what it shows

00:26:32.080 we're not married

00:26:32.540 I would make sweet love

00:26:33.200 to that quote

00:26:33.540 it's an extraordinary quote

00:26:35.300 but it shows

00:26:35.960 the Biden administration

00:26:36.720 doesn't even have a pivot

00:26:37.780 they don't even know

00:26:38.380 how to dig themselves out

00:26:39.260 as their approval ratings

00:26:40.320 are plummeting

00:26:40.780 but Joe Biden

00:26:42.000 actually managed

00:26:42.920 to give

00:26:43.760 worse rhetoric

00:26:45.340 than Kamala Harris

00:26:46.340 who is babbling

00:26:47.020 incoherently

00:26:47.500 to your point

00:26:48.980 this Omicron

00:26:49.780 has a very strange

00:26:51.020 structure

00:26:51.460 where it's almost

00:26:52.180 a different disease

00:26:53.240 than COVID

00:26:53.780 it's as if COVID

00:26:55.300 went off into a corner

00:26:56.260 somewhere

00:26:56.640 and recreated itself

00:26:57.880 it would have been

00:26:58.480 a perfect time

00:26:59.400 for them to say

00:26:59.940 well this is a new thing

00:27:01.440 get rid of the mask

00:27:02.420 get rid of

00:27:02.840 you know

00:27:03.080 you're going to get this

00:27:04.560 and it's going to be

00:27:05.000 like a flu

00:27:05.480 it would have been

00:27:06.100 a perfect time

00:27:06.760 I had Omicron

00:27:09.380 I'm a survivor

00:27:09.980 we're both

00:27:10.420 I just had it

00:27:11.240 I likely had it

00:27:12.300 I don't know

00:27:12.560 yeah me too

00:27:13.140 I think I had it

00:27:13.900 I didn't test

00:27:15.200 but my kids all had it

00:27:16.580 and guess what

00:27:17.460 they're kids

00:27:17.820 and they're fine

00:27:18.200 and then my dad had it

00:27:20.080 and he's an adult

00:27:20.840 and he's fine

00:27:21.520 let's not have to

00:27:22.020 pride ourselves

00:27:22.500 of the ability

00:27:22.980 to talk about the fact

00:27:23.620 that we're surviving

00:27:24.120 our heroic battle

00:27:26.520 with the virus

00:27:27.600 AOC you know

00:27:28.020 in just inside a year

00:27:29.360 AOC has survived

00:27:30.260 the ravages

00:27:31.020 of a trip to the hellscape

00:27:32.400 in which I live

00:27:33.020 Florida

00:27:33.460 she survived the Omicron

00:27:34.760 and she survived

00:27:36.240 the brutal near slaying

00:27:38.340 that she experienced

00:27:39.020 on January 6th

00:27:39.880 and what incredible

00:27:41.380 and a boyfriend

00:27:42.160 who wears sandals

00:27:42.900 unironically

00:27:43.400 it was really all

00:27:45.220 about his feet

00:27:45.700 the other really tricky

00:27:47.320 problem with Omicron

00:27:48.220 is there was this

00:27:49.200 study that came out

00:27:50.260 of Israel

00:27:50.680 that suggested

00:27:51.580 that the fourth shot

00:27:52.880 actually won't

00:27:53.960 protect against

00:27:54.700 this new version

00:27:55.300 of the virus

00:27:55.680 so you might need

00:27:56.440 a fifth shot

00:27:57.120 to do it

00:27:57.480 actually Israel

00:27:58.740 is now saying

00:27:59.120 no more vax passports

00:27:59.840 they said

00:28:00.780 there's one of their

00:28:01.580 top scientists today

00:28:02.300 he's like

00:28:02.540 these vax passports

00:28:03.200 are completely useless

00:28:04.020 so naturally

00:28:04.780 the CDC is like

00:28:05.880 we need vax passports

00:28:06.880 because that's what we do

00:28:08.320 but the thing about

00:28:09.640 Joe Biden

00:28:10.020 just to get back

00:28:10.500 to the race talk

00:28:11.380 for just one second

00:28:12.260 so Nate Silver

00:28:12.880 I thought

00:28:13.260 made an excellent point

00:28:14.360 everybody is acting like

00:28:15.900 why is Joe Biden

00:28:16.500 doing this

00:28:16.900 it's such a mystery

00:28:17.960 Joe Biden was elected

00:28:18.920 as not Donald Trump

00:28:20.460 dead person

00:28:21.160 who's not Donald Trump

00:28:21.880 that was his entire pitch

00:28:22.740 I am an inanimate object

00:28:23.800 who's not Donald Trump

00:28:24.680 and then

00:28:25.920 he comes into office

00:28:27.080 and he's Bernie Sanders

00:28:28.100 he's very

00:28:29.300 he's still barely alive

00:28:31.140 he's mostly dead

00:28:32.420 but still a little alive

00:28:33.580 and he's Bernie Sanders

00:28:35.120 and so people are like

00:28:35.700 what is he doing

00:28:36.500 where is this coming from

00:28:37.380 and Nate Silver

00:28:38.040 makes the point

00:28:38.600 that everybody

00:28:39.280 treats Joe Biden

00:28:40.260 like he's a moderate

00:28:40.900 it's not that Joe Biden

00:28:41.980 is a moderate

00:28:42.440 Joe Biden is always

00:28:43.460 dead center

00:28:44.400 of the Democratic Party

00:28:45.220 so if the Democratic Party

00:28:46.580 moves to the left

00:28:47.380 Joe Biden

00:28:47.960 moves to the left

00:28:49.000 the entire Democratic Party

00:28:50.260 has moved to the left

00:28:51.100 there's a Gallup poll

00:28:51.820 that was out today

00:28:52.480 and it was showing

00:28:53.300 the political affiliations

00:28:54.420 of various groups

00:28:55.080 of Americans

00:28:55.560 and what it found

00:28:56.480 is that only 25%

00:28:57.800 of Americans total

00:28:58.580 across the country

00:28:59.220 consider themselves liberal

00:29:00.200 but literally half

00:29:01.760 of all Democrats

00:29:02.620 consider themselves liberal

00:29:03.880 okay

00:29:04.600 well what that means

00:29:05.700 is that the

00:29:06.740 base of the Democratic Party

00:29:08.980 is wildly out of touch

00:29:10.260 with the rest of

00:29:11.280 even the Democratic Party

00:29:12.360 but the entirety

00:29:13.220 of the American population

00:29:14.320 right

00:29:14.840 if you look at the polls

00:29:15.520 and you break it down

00:29:16.160 demographically

00:29:16.820 only 28% of Hispanics

00:29:18.480 identify as liberal

00:29:19.220 right

00:29:19.880 the rest of them

00:29:20.340 identify as either

00:29:20.920 more Hispanics

00:29:22.160 identify as conservative

00:29:23.120 than liberal

00:29:23.520 31% to 28%

00:29:24.880 according to the Gallup polls

00:29:25.860 Roy Teixeira

00:29:26.820 who was the author

00:29:28.260 of this entire theory

00:29:29.620 in the early 2000s

00:29:30.760 that was taken up

00:29:31.380 by Obama

00:29:32.060 to his certain amount

00:29:33.960 of success

00:29:34.280 his theory was

00:29:35.300 you had enough minorities

00:29:36.160 together

00:29:36.500 and you cobble together

00:29:37.760 this majority minority

00:29:39.280 coalition

00:29:39.680 and you will never

00:29:40.160 lose an election again

00:29:40.960 and in 2012

00:29:41.940 that's basically

00:29:42.500 what Obama did

00:29:43.160 and Democrats

00:29:43.860 have fallen in love

00:29:44.460 with that theory

00:29:44.960 and Roy Teixeira

00:29:46.180 came out

00:29:46.620 like three months ago

00:29:47.520 and he said

00:29:48.240 my theory is completely wrong

00:29:49.500 because Hispanics

00:29:50.140 are breaking

00:29:50.580 in favor of conservatives

00:29:51.540 and if this continues

00:29:52.920 it completely upends

00:29:53.900 my theory

00:29:54.340 and by the way

00:29:54.980 he came out today

00:29:55.600 he said Asians

00:29:56.320 are moving conservative

00:29:57.320 okay if this happens

00:29:58.520 some blacks do

00:30:00.380 but the reality is

00:30:01.260 the Democratic Party

00:30:01.980 has basically decided

00:30:02.840 the only minority group

00:30:03.980 that they are going

00:30:04.680 to pander to now

00:30:05.460 because it turns out

00:30:06.260 that no one cares

00:30:06.840 about Latinx

00:30:07.500 that was a giant fail

00:30:08.560 the only minority group

00:30:09.700 that they're going

00:30:10.020 to pander to

00:30:10.580 is black people

00:30:11.620 and they're going

00:30:11.880 to do so in the most

00:30:12.400 ham-fisted idiotic way

00:30:13.900 which is why you see

00:30:14.880 Joe Biden out there

00:30:15.660 doing the everybody

00:30:16.440 who dislikes me

00:30:17.320 is in favor of Jim Crow

00:30:18.660 he did the same thing

00:30:19.380 in 2012

00:30:19.820 Mitt Romney

00:30:20.580 the unsweetened oatmeal

00:30:22.840 of American politics

00:30:23.660 Mitt Romney

00:30:24.280 was going to put

00:30:25.720 black people back

00:30:26.380 in chains

00:30:26.720 this is his shtick

00:30:28.700 but the bottom line

00:30:29.420 is he has alienated

00:30:30.280 every single other

00:30:31.260 minority group

00:30:31.900 and majority group

00:30:33.140 in the country

00:30:33.840 at this point

00:30:34.480 and by the way

00:30:35.000 Hispanics comprise

00:30:36.280 about 19%

00:30:37.320 of the American population

00:30:38.200 and black Americans

00:30:38.860 are about 13%

00:30:39.600 of the American population

00:30:40.500 so this seems unwise

00:30:41.560 on a political level

00:30:42.380 I'm wishing we could

00:30:43.360 clone our new governor

00:30:44.760 in our state of Virginia

00:30:46.760 I love this guy

00:30:48.260 he's not only standing up

00:30:51.400 for what he said

00:30:51.980 he was going to stand up for

00:30:53.040 but he's also like

00:30:54.160 a presentable human being

00:30:55.640 which is kind of

00:30:56.540 well you've got a few

00:30:57.000 of those now right

00:30:57.460 you've got Ron in Florida

00:30:58.280 you've got young kid

00:30:59.100 over there

00:30:59.920 and Ron DeSantis

00:31:01.260 apparently is maybe

00:31:02.680 gearing up to face down

00:31:04.100 by the way

00:31:04.460 you even see it

00:31:05.420 this is to me

00:31:05.920 the best sign

00:31:06.620 for the conservative movement

00:31:07.560 in the GOP

00:31:08.220 you even see it

00:31:09.220 with the moderate

00:31:09.740 Republican governors

00:31:10.600 so Christy Noem

00:31:11.820 up in South Dakota

00:31:13.120 she initially did not

00:31:14.460 want to support

00:31:15.000 the transgender

00:31:15.760 she didn't want to

00:31:16.860 support a transgender bill

00:31:17.840 that would have

00:31:18.720 kept boys out of the

00:31:19.860 girls sports

00:31:20.340 at all levels

00:31:21.100 and she kind of

00:31:21.760 squished out on it

00:31:22.480 then she kind of

00:31:22.960 backtracked

00:31:23.440 now she's got a

00:31:24.320 campaign ad

00:31:24.920 saying I never

00:31:25.760 backed down

00:31:26.260 I was always

00:31:26.680 supportive of this

00:31:27.300 same thing with

00:31:27.920 the lockdowns

00:31:28.400 initially she wanted

00:31:29.320 power to be able

00:31:30.460 to lock down

00:31:31.120 then her legislature

00:31:32.280 prevented her

00:31:32.900 from doing that

00:31:33.460 she complained about that

00:31:34.460 then she became

00:31:35.060 the big anti-lockdown

00:31:35.960 governor

00:31:36.240 I don't care one way

00:31:37.400 or the other

00:31:37.760 about Christy Noem's

00:31:38.640 personal political career

00:31:39.760 the fact that she feels

00:31:41.520 that in order to be viable

00:31:43.040 she needs to move way

00:31:44.360 to the conservative side

00:31:45.340 that is a great sign

00:31:46.620 for the electorate

00:31:47.360 and for Republicans

00:31:48.120 well I want to talk

00:31:49.280 about Yunkin for a minute

00:31:50.480 because we helped

00:31:51.080 elect him

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00:35:00.460 up in Virginia

00:35:01.180 this guy

00:35:02.880 had the best first day

00:35:04.280 probably of any

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00:35:07.320 right I mean

00:35:07.860 it's very rare

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00:35:11.260 they're going to do

00:35:11.980 and I think

00:35:12.600 that for some people

00:35:13.180 listen we

00:35:13.620 we like to boast

00:35:15.340 about how we elected

00:35:16.160 Youngkin

00:35:16.520 but that's just

00:35:17.020 because we completely

00:35:17.800 and totally

00:35:18.280 deserve all the credit

00:35:19.320 for electing Youngkin

00:35:20.040 starting with

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00:35:22.800 on CRT

00:35:23.740 and going all the way

00:35:24.480 into these trans issues

00:35:26.000 as exposed by our

00:35:27.080 reporter Luke Rosiak

00:35:28.780 so we

00:35:29.580 one more shout out there

00:35:30.900 one more shout out

00:35:31.940 for a reporter

00:35:32.800 which I keep promising

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00:35:36.520 but here's the thing

00:35:38.020 we didn't know

00:35:39.000 about Youngkin

00:35:39.680 in a lot of ways

00:35:40.180 I mean he was our guy

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00:35:41.740 we've talked about how

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00:35:44.080 going to get the reddest

00:35:44.960 red guy in every state

00:35:46.120 and you should be happy

00:35:47.640 if you have

00:35:48.080 as Republican a guy

00:35:50.160 you can get

00:35:50.580 in whatever place

00:35:51.160 you can get him

00:35:51.560 is my sort of way

00:35:52.820 of looking at it

00:35:53.420 but I thought

00:35:54.720 you know

00:35:55.000 what are we really

00:35:55.840 going to get out

00:35:56.360 of the guy

00:35:56.600 in the final analysis

00:35:57.440 if all you get

00:35:58.440 is his first day

00:35:59.320 his entire governorship

00:36:00.540 was worth it

00:36:01.120 as far as I can go

00:36:02.020 and you know

00:36:02.340 this thing about

00:36:02.880 this thing about comportment

00:36:04.020 is not a small thing

00:36:05.540 you know this is

00:36:06.360 when you're dealing

00:36:07.560 with the people

00:36:08.540 when you're dealing

00:36:09.080 with votes

00:36:09.720 it's nice to behave well

00:36:11.400 you know

00:36:11.700 it makes a big difference

00:36:12.800 and he was

00:36:13.480 I hate to use this word

00:36:14.680 but he was Reagan-esque

00:36:16.000 on that first day

00:36:17.040 because he was doing

00:36:17.820 things that he said

00:36:18.560 he would do

00:36:18.980 he was fulfilling

00:36:19.800 his promises

00:36:20.340 but he was doing it

00:36:21.180 in this kind of graceful

00:36:22.240 eloquent way

00:36:23.720 where it made

00:36:24.980 the opposition

00:36:25.720 look like

00:36:26.740 the loudmouths

00:36:27.640 and the radicals

00:36:28.220 which they are

00:36:28.900 he even dressed

00:36:29.880 the same way

00:36:30.460 Reagan dressed

00:36:31.000 on his inauguration

00:36:31.860 he wore a proper

00:36:32.740 morning dress

00:36:33.480 and I mean

00:36:34.060 this is the thing

00:36:35.060 that I believe

00:36:35.880 I deeply believe

00:36:37.400 that Trump

00:36:37.820 was the man

00:36:38.500 of the moment

00:36:39.020 when he ran

00:36:39.680 that he was the guy

00:36:40.840 who had to be there

00:36:41.820 to make this difference

00:36:43.020 happen

00:36:43.380 but it's nice

00:36:45.040 to see some politicians

00:36:46.020 doing the right thing

00:36:47.100 if you can pour

00:36:47.580 the fight

00:36:48.460 into a more

00:36:49.580 attractive bottle

00:36:50.460 that's not a terrible thing

00:36:52.660 it's not

00:36:53.080 and conservatives

00:36:53.640 need to learn this

00:36:54.400 because we think

00:36:55.000 if we say the truth

00:36:56.560 you know

00:36:57.300 it's like that

00:36:57.720 Paul Simon song

00:36:58.540 I want some tenderness

00:37:00.400 with your honesty

00:37:01.000 you know

00:37:01.640 I think the conservatives

00:37:02.740 think if they say the truth

00:37:03.680 that's enough

00:37:04.160 but it's not

00:37:05.000 there's also one thing

00:37:05.940 that the Youngkin speaks to

00:37:07.160 that Trump

00:37:08.320 you know

00:37:08.760 because Trump

00:37:09.440 is sort of a blunderbuss

00:37:10.300 right

00:37:10.480 because he's a hammer

00:37:11.040 and he hits nails

00:37:11.960 and sometimes babies

00:37:12.800 he's not a person

00:37:15.860 who attracts

00:37:16.780 the core constituency

00:37:18.260 that Youngkin ran on

00:37:19.340 and that if Republicans

00:37:20.080 run on

00:37:20.560 they will not lose elections

00:37:21.580 and that is parents

00:37:22.420 Trump was not a person

00:37:24.340 who attracted parents

00:37:25.260 as a constituency

00:37:26.000 it doesn't mean parents

00:37:26.600 didn't vote for him

00:37:27.080 parents did vote for him

00:37:27.960 but it means

00:37:28.700 that there are

00:37:29.500 all these problems

00:37:30.080 with like

00:37:30.580 can you even show

00:37:31.200 a Trump rally

00:37:31.840 to your kids

00:37:32.320 like is

00:37:33.260 is this the kind

00:37:34.020 of person

00:37:34.380 whose behavior

00:37:35.020 you want to model

00:37:35.620 but when you have

00:37:37.180 Youngkin or DeSantis

00:37:38.200 or a thousand other

00:37:39.140 Republicans

00:37:39.640 who have realized

00:37:41.000 they've picked up

00:37:41.440 the fact that Trump

00:37:41.960 was a fighter

00:37:42.760 and that is a vital

00:37:43.560 vital thing

00:37:44.100 that's a gift

00:37:44.560 that Trump gave

00:37:45.040 to the Republican Party

00:37:45.900 it's a gift

00:37:46.280 that I think

00:37:46.620 that he gave

00:37:46.900 to the country

00:37:47.300 if you can combine

00:37:48.780 that with the new

00:37:50.040 constituency group

00:37:50.960 the Democrats have

00:37:51.640 created

00:37:51.980 which is the parent group

00:37:52.900 this was not

00:37:53.500 a constituency group

00:37:54.440 parents were not

00:37:55.200 a constituency group

00:37:56.240 and the reason was

00:37:57.720 who would be

00:37:58.440 stupid enough

00:37:59.180 to attack parents

00:37:59.900 as a constituency group

00:38:00.940 who would be

00:38:01.840 idiotic enough

00:38:02.780 to attack parents

00:38:03.840 ability

00:38:04.220 to attack

00:38:04.780 to educate

00:38:06.260 their own children

00:38:06.900 nobody expects

00:38:07.540 the Spanish Inquisition

00:38:08.320 I mean it's insane

00:38:09.080 it's totally crazy

00:38:10.040 but if you look

00:38:10.660 at how parents

00:38:11.280 were treated

00:38:11.620 in the past

00:38:12.160 and when they

00:38:12.720 were actually

00:38:13.180 a voting group

00:38:13.980 you take a look

00:38:14.600 at like 2004

00:38:15.200 it was security moms

00:38:16.020 right

00:38:16.220 it was Bush running

00:38:16.960 on behalf of

00:38:18.100 women with sedans

00:38:19.480 with minivans

00:38:20.620 with their kids

00:38:20.940 in the back

00:38:21.200 and they were afraid

00:38:21.560 of terrorism

00:38:21.960 and Bush was going

00:38:22.480 to protect

00:38:22.720 but it wasn't like

00:38:23.340 this had to do

00:38:24.300 with parenting

00:38:24.740 specifically

00:38:25.300 he was just

00:38:25.880 campaigning on security

00:38:27.120 Youngkin literally

00:38:28.560 campaigned on

00:38:29.160 we want you

00:38:29.700 to be able

00:38:30.080 to raise

00:38:30.540 your own children

00:38:31.240 and also

00:38:32.140 we don't want

00:38:32.620 to force

00:38:32.980 your small babies

00:38:33.780 into masks

00:38:34.340 and the New York

00:38:34.940 Times would write

00:38:35.560 articles saying

00:38:36.160 you should not

00:38:36.740 be allowed

00:38:37.200 to raise

00:38:37.600 your own children

00:38:38.040 it's madness

00:38:38.560 these people

00:38:39.120 said this crap

00:38:39.820 out loud

00:38:40.840 they campaigned

00:38:41.820 on it

00:38:42.120 Terry McAuliffe

00:38:42.760 campaigned on

00:38:43.300 we should be able

00:38:43.720 to indoctrinate

00:38:44.260 your kid

00:38:44.520 into racial essentialism

00:38:45.600 and mask him

00:38:46.620 like Bane

00:38:47.200 for the rest

00:38:47.620 of his life

00:38:48.140 and then Youngkin

00:38:49.000 comes out

00:38:49.340 and he says

00:38:49.620 this his first day

00:38:50.360 and the first move

00:38:51.240 of the left

00:38:51.640 is to send Jen Psaki

00:38:52.760 out there

00:38:53.260 to be like

00:38:53.640 well I'm not gonna

00:38:54.540 you know

00:38:55.140 I'm just glad

00:38:55.760 that the Alexandria

00:38:56.880 public schools

00:38:57.860 are going to

00:38:58.580 put a big plastic

00:39:00.040 bag around my kid's head

00:39:01.240 and send them

00:39:01.580 to the bottom

00:39:01.880 of the ocean

00:39:02.280 to avoid COVID

00:39:03.080 did someone in

00:39:03.780 California today

00:39:04.860 suggest that

00:39:06.080 the best way

00:39:06.900 for California

00:39:07.520 the best way

00:39:08.520 to bring

00:39:09.020 it was a parody

00:39:10.220 article

00:39:10.440 fair enough

00:39:11.280 it was a parody

00:39:11.580 I think he meant it

00:39:13.180 that's one of the problems

00:39:14.900 it's hard to tell anymore

00:39:15.840 if they actually mean it

00:39:16.420 there is no parody

00:39:17.140 but I think with Youngkin

00:39:18.640 the interesting thing

00:39:19.320 we say that he campaigned

00:39:20.320 on parental rights

00:39:21.700 he didn't originally

00:39:24.400 campaign that way

00:39:25.180 and so there was this change

00:39:26.360 and this isn't to say

00:39:26.980 that he's insincere now

00:39:27.860 but I think he noticed

00:39:29.260 something because early on

00:39:30.340 just from my own

00:39:31.140 you know outside analysis

00:39:32.160 it seemed like

00:39:32.860 he was sort of campaigning

00:39:34.140 as a corporate

00:39:35.360 sort of normal

00:39:36.240 chamber of commerce

00:39:37.060 Republican

00:39:37.940 and there was even a moment

00:39:38.920 early on in a debate

00:39:40.540 where he was asked

00:39:41.080 the pro-life question

00:39:41.880 and he took this really

00:39:42.940 kind of obfuscating

00:39:44.320 he was dancing around it

00:39:45.460 sort of answer

00:39:46.500 and then there was this switch

00:39:47.440 and I think part of it

00:39:48.060 had to do with

00:39:48.440 what we did at the Daily Wire

00:39:49.380 and what other conservatives did

00:39:50.260 by showing that this is

00:39:51.360 what people really care about

00:39:52.240 also the moment

00:39:53.300 the moment that will live

00:39:54.540 in infamy

00:39:54.860 with McAuliffe saying

00:39:55.780 that well parents

00:39:57.060 shouldn't decide

00:39:57.440 what their kids are taught

00:39:58.100 and that was the

00:39:58.620 that was the switch

00:39:59.700 that was the moment

00:40:00.300 when the Youngkin campaign

00:40:01.880 realized that

00:40:02.800 look I think

00:40:04.220 with most voters

00:40:05.320 what they care about

00:40:06.040 if they're parents

00:40:06.720 they care about their kids

00:40:07.540 and they care about their rights

00:40:08.240 also the other big thing

00:40:09.660 that one of the big issue

00:40:11.180 of our time

00:40:11.740 aside from parental rights

00:40:12.660 is just

00:40:13.580 is just sanity

00:40:14.620 that people feel like

00:40:16.440 and if you talk to like

00:40:17.180 anybody anymore

00:40:18.240 any normal person

00:40:19.140 they'll say

00:40:20.000 look it feels like

00:40:20.660 the country's going insane

00:40:21.600 it feels like

00:40:22.400 the society is losing

00:40:23.600 its mind

00:40:24.020 and so they want

00:40:24.960 they want basic sanity

00:40:26.140 and that's where things

00:40:26.760 are generally

00:40:27.140 this also speaks

00:40:27.800 to something else

00:40:28.400 it speaks to

00:40:28.860 it speaks to why

00:40:30.000 leftist feminism

00:40:31.740 and feminism has become

00:40:32.800 part of the left

00:40:33.880 have been telling women

00:40:35.320 all this time

00:40:36.180 that they're not important

00:40:36.960 if they're just mothers

00:40:37.760 just mothers

00:40:38.580 you know

00:40:39.100 I mean we had a mom

00:40:40.120 come by and visit

00:40:40.860 backstage the other day

00:40:41.840 and she said

00:40:42.200 you know

00:40:42.640 I'm so and so's mother

00:40:43.700 but I also have

00:40:44.520 another identity

00:40:45.940 I said you know

00:40:46.560 you've walked into

00:40:47.180 the mother fan club

00:40:48.640 you might as well

00:40:49.460 grab hold of it

00:40:50.400 because listen

00:40:51.200 these are the most

00:40:52.280 important people

00:40:53.140 in the country

00:40:53.760 the guy who said

00:40:54.440 the hand that rocks

00:40:55.440 the cradle

00:40:55.820 rules the world

00:40:56.580 knew exactly

00:40:57.640 what he was talking about

00:40:58.680 the reason they want

00:41:00.240 women out of the home

00:41:01.020 the reason they want

00:41:02.020 them out of the home

00:41:02.560 is so they can do

00:41:03.440 to our kids

00:41:04.060 whatever they want to do

00:41:05.160 our friend Eric Erickson

00:41:06.620 tweeted out an article

00:41:07.440 from the New York Times

00:41:08.220 an op-ed this week

00:41:09.440 and he was frustrated

00:41:10.800 about it because

00:41:11.700 his argument was

00:41:13.420 that it encouraged

00:41:14.080 women to abandon

00:41:14.820 their children

00:41:15.360 and I don't know

00:41:16.180 if you guys actually

00:41:16.700 read the op-ed

00:41:17.380 I read it

00:41:17.980 that's not what it did

00:41:19.460 I think we

00:41:20.200 well it was observing

00:41:21.100 that the culture

00:41:22.040 it was observing

00:41:22.780 that the culture

00:41:23.340 is doing that

00:41:23.760 but the writer

00:41:24.500 actually said something

00:41:25.340 I thought quite nice

00:41:26.340 at the very end

00:41:27.080 which she read

00:41:27.840 all these books

00:41:28.440 which it's a new

00:41:29.280 trend in literature

00:41:30.000 to have absentee moms

00:41:32.020 moms who essentially

00:41:33.200 abandon their children

00:41:34.120 to go pursue

00:41:34.880 career opportunities

00:41:36.160 and sexual dalliances

00:41:37.340 and at the end

00:41:38.800 of the article

00:41:39.320 the writer said

00:41:40.520 you know

00:41:41.320 in the end

00:41:42.740 I found that these

00:41:43.640 that these works

00:41:44.540 were kind of boring

00:41:45.460 because they've created

00:41:47.140 a fiction of their own

00:41:48.540 which is to say

00:41:49.500 that the only way

00:41:50.260 a woman can be interesting

00:41:51.640 is if she stops

00:41:52.920 being a mother

00:41:53.420 I thought that was

00:41:54.340 a wonderful line

00:41:55.040 this is a new genre

00:41:56.000 in op-eds

00:41:56.760 that I call misery porn

00:41:58.140 where they tell you

00:41:59.260 that we're unhappy

00:42:00.460 and you can be unhappy too

00:42:01.720 I left my husband

00:42:02.920 and deserted my kids

00:42:04.080 and you can too

00:42:05.320 and that you know

00:42:05.980 it's a

00:42:06.280 and the entire standard

00:42:07.520 should change

00:42:08.080 because the other one

00:42:09.180 that I love is

00:42:09.700 this standard didn't work

00:42:11.240 for me personally

00:42:11.960 therefore it shouldn't

00:42:13.300 work for anyone

00:42:13.820 ever again

00:42:14.360 and the standard

00:42:14.840 should be completely

00:42:15.520 exploded

00:42:15.980 but to go back

00:42:16.780 to Matt's point

00:42:17.220 about sanity

00:42:17.680 you know

00:42:18.200 it's amazing

00:42:18.840 what the left

00:42:19.520 took away

00:42:19.840 from the Trump era

00:42:20.460 was things are insane

00:42:21.620 and they're insane

00:42:22.320 because of the mannerisms

00:42:23.500 used by the presidents

00:42:24.420 of the United States

00:42:25.300 and so if we just

00:42:26.840 use nicer mannerisms

00:42:27.940 but we say

00:42:28.500 completely batched

00:42:29.980 loony things

00:42:30.800 all the time

00:42:31.820 but we say it's

00:42:32.620 super nice

00:42:33.300 then people will think

00:42:34.700 that we're sane

00:42:35.220 and it turns out

00:42:37.000 that there is a deeper

00:42:37.760 type of insanity

00:42:38.460 that people really

00:42:39.340 really don't like

00:42:40.180 and that deeper

00:42:40.820 type of insanity

00:42:41.440 is the policy insanity

00:42:42.460 that's now being pushed

00:42:43.600 upon the country

00:42:44.340 by the social left

00:42:45.440 the culture war

00:42:45.980 was declared by the left

00:42:46.820 they continue to maintain

00:42:47.760 those culture wars

00:42:48.420 they are the important wars

00:42:49.480 anybody who tells you

00:42:50.280 that the culture wars

00:42:50.900 aren't the seriously

00:42:51.560 important wars

00:42:52.220 has got it completely wrong

00:42:53.820 but you realize

00:42:54.400 they finally figured it out

00:42:55.880 I'm on a kick right now

00:42:57.300 of the GOP

00:42:57.940 finally waking up a little bit

00:42:59.160 and that this is a good sign

00:43:00.120 Kevin McCarthy

00:43:01.260 Kevin McCarthy

00:43:02.120 as establishment of figure

00:43:03.440 as there is

00:43:03.900 the Republican leader

00:43:04.620 in the House of Representatives

00:43:05.880 he just did an interview

00:43:07.160 in which he said

00:43:08.240 the GOP

00:43:09.080 is no longer

00:43:09.800 the party

00:43:10.320 of the Chamber of Commerce

00:43:11.340 the Chamber of Commerce

00:43:12.380 hates our guts

00:43:13.100 so we hate them back

00:43:14.460 we are not going to run

00:43:15.520 on just cut taxes

00:43:16.600 and do whatever you want

00:43:17.640 we're going to run

00:43:18.360 on cultural issues

00:43:19.260 Glenn Youngkin

00:43:20.020 as you say Matt

00:43:20.780 started his campaign

00:43:21.900 as a Chamber of Commerce

00:43:22.860 standard just cut taxes

00:43:24.020 Republican

00:43:24.480 he ends his campaign

00:43:25.600 running against

00:43:26.400 transgenderism

00:43:27.320 running against racism

00:43:28.320 in the curriculum

00:43:29.000 running against all

00:43:29.980 of these things

00:43:30.440 you look at the

00:43:31.060 successful governors

00:43:31.820 right now

00:43:32.280 it's Ron DeSantis

00:43:33.080 you're looking at

00:43:33.820 every successful

00:43:34.580 Republican in the country

00:43:35.560 the thing about

00:43:36.580 politicians

00:43:37.240 whose names you know

00:43:38.300 is that they're actually

00:43:39.920 pretty good

00:43:40.720 at being politicians

00:43:41.640 they actually know

00:43:42.720 which way the wind

00:43:43.360 is blowing

00:43:43.800 and when you've got

00:43:44.760 the most establishmentarian

00:43:46.060 types in D.C.

00:43:47.280 realizing that the

00:43:47.960 cultural battle

00:43:48.540 is where it's at

00:43:49.280 right now

00:43:49.700 to win elections

00:43:50.740 you're in a pretty good spot

00:43:51.820 it's because the left

00:43:52.880 I mean they really

00:43:53.760 have lost it

00:43:54.300 so Matt

00:43:54.560 you were the first person

00:43:55.460 I saw tweet out

00:43:56.160 this new Canada law

00:43:57.040 the actual text

00:43:57.920 of this new law

00:43:58.980 in Canada

00:43:59.380 which effectively

00:44:00.640 bans both religion

00:44:01.480 and reason

00:44:01.960 in the country

00:44:02.840 I mean it's

00:44:03.560 it is a bill

00:44:04.820 that is just mad

00:44:05.980 it is a fall

00:44:06.820 of the west bill

00:44:07.940 it is a stark

00:44:09.120 raving mad bill

00:44:10.240 encoded into law

00:44:11.300 and punishable

00:44:11.900 by five years in prison

00:44:12.920 if you use your brain

00:44:14.020 or you worship God

00:44:15.000 or both

00:44:15.500 then you are

00:44:16.280 then you are going

00:44:16.980 to end up in prison

00:44:17.640 in Canada

00:44:18.340 for being a baseline

00:44:19.560 decent parent

00:44:20.160 is basically the way

00:44:21.440 that this bill

00:44:21.940 is written

00:44:22.360 why don't you

00:44:22.860 talk about it a little bit

00:44:23.780 because I saw it from you

00:44:24.700 right it's an anti

00:44:25.940 it's bill C4

00:44:27.300 in Canada

00:44:28.240 it's anti-conversion therapy

00:44:30.080 and there are

00:44:31.480 several countries

00:44:32.120 across the world

00:44:32.940 that have banned

00:44:33.720 quote unquote

00:44:34.480 conversion therapy

00:44:35.140 always got to put

00:44:35.620 the air quotes around it

00:44:36.360 there are I think

00:44:37.000 20 more than

00:44:38.160 dozens of states

00:44:39.620 in this country

00:44:40.040 that have done the same

00:44:40.680 and of course

00:44:42.160 we are told

00:44:42.640 that conversion therapy

00:44:43.440 is this process

00:44:45.080 of trying to convert

00:44:46.160 you know

00:44:46.800 a gay person

00:44:47.400 to be straight

00:44:47.940 and

00:44:48.900 what they say

00:44:49.560 is that

00:44:49.780 what it used to be

00:44:51.000 was electrocute people

00:44:52.100 right exactly

00:44:52.440 they get aroused

00:44:52.960 by same sex

00:44:53.660 exactly

00:44:53.960 when you hear

00:44:55.080 the term conversion therapy

00:44:56.240 it brings to mind

00:44:57.680 quite intentionally

00:44:58.400 this image of people

00:44:59.500 you know

00:44:59.960 someone strapped

00:45:00.720 with a straight jacket

00:45:01.480 being electrocuted

00:45:02.620 Mike Pence

00:45:03.180 standing next to him

00:45:04.040 pulling a lever

00:45:04.780 exactly

00:45:05.080 but that of course

00:45:06.560 is not happening

00:45:07.380 anywhere in the west

00:45:08.360 right now

00:45:08.880 and so then you ask

00:45:09.660 what exactly is

00:45:10.360 conversion therapy

00:45:11.040 and so you read

00:45:11.660 the bill that bans

00:45:12.460 conversion therapy

00:45:13.140 in Canada

00:45:13.580 because you always

00:45:14.080 have to ask

00:45:14.380 anytime the government

00:45:15.660 bans something

00:45:16.400 that isn't really

00:45:17.040 happening

00:45:17.440 you have to ask

00:45:18.280 well what exactly

00:45:18.820 is the bill doing

00:45:19.500 and you read the text

00:45:21.000 and it's right there

00:45:21.740 they define conversion therapy

00:45:23.140 first of all

00:45:23.900 it applies to both

00:45:24.880 gender and sex

00:45:25.820 and it says that

00:45:27.780 essentially

00:45:29.100 if a child

00:45:31.220 or anybody

00:45:31.660 wants to change

00:45:33.060 their sex

00:45:33.660 and you engage

00:45:35.480 in any

00:45:36.040 I think the word is

00:45:36.860 practice

00:45:37.660 counsel

00:45:38.680 or service

00:45:39.540 which is like

00:45:40.620 anything

00:45:41.200 or if you're a parent

00:45:42.560 who refers them

00:45:43.180 right

00:45:43.480 to try to convince

00:45:44.960 them otherwise

00:45:45.420 or to try to

00:45:46.000 suppress their

00:45:47.500 true gender identity

00:45:48.560 then you're guilty

00:45:49.660 of conversion therapy

00:45:50.340 you go to prison

00:45:51.120 for five years

00:45:52.220 and the same goes

00:45:53.060 for sexual orientation

00:45:53.860 any counsel

00:45:55.060 service

00:45:55.720 or practice

00:45:56.920 that encourages

00:45:58.440 or suppresses

00:46:00.060 gender identity

00:46:01.980 or sexual orientation

00:46:02.780 or sexual behavior

00:46:03.640 by the way

00:46:03.980 right

00:46:04.200 if you repress

00:46:04.900 sexual behavior

00:46:05.660 is sexual orientation

00:46:06.400 so just think about

00:46:07.120 that for a second

00:46:07.620 it's

00:46:07.920 if you encourage

00:46:10.720 your son

00:46:11.960 let's say

00:46:12.440 to embrace

00:46:13.460 his biological identity

00:46:16.060 if you say to your son

00:46:17.160 you are a boy

00:46:18.480 and that's good

00:46:19.200 and you're a male

00:46:20.440 and that's what you should be

00:46:21.120 that's conversion

00:46:22.640 by telling him

00:46:24.260 to be who he is

00:46:25.180 that's conversion therapy

00:46:26.120 and you can go to prison

00:46:27.140 for it

00:46:27.520 and it also means

00:46:28.400 that as many pastors

00:46:30.620 in Canada

00:46:31.040 have realized

00:46:31.960 that if they get up there

00:46:33.280 at the pulpit

00:46:33.840 and very few pastors

00:46:34.760 are even doing this anyway

00:46:35.640 but if they did get up there

00:46:36.800 at the pulpit

00:46:37.240 and read from

00:46:39.580 you know

00:46:40.380 from the Pauline epistles

00:46:41.800 or give a sermon

00:46:43.100 about biblical sexual morality

00:46:45.660 they are guilty

00:46:46.780 of conversion therapy

00:46:48.760 they could go to prison

00:46:49.300 this is being described

00:46:50.500 as an issue

00:46:51.120 of religious liberty

00:46:52.080 and of course

00:46:52.860 to a degree

00:46:53.280 it is about religious liberty

00:46:54.360 they just outlawed

00:46:55.420 Judaism, Christianity

00:46:56.340 and Islam

00:46:57.040 but it's deeper

00:46:58.680 than just religious liberty

00:46:59.840 they've outlawed the truth

00:47:01.500 they've outlawed the truth

00:47:02.840 if you tell your kid

00:47:04.040 the truth

00:47:04.460 about who he is

00:47:05.340 you'll go to prison

00:47:06.620 and that is a much

00:47:08.280 scarier thing

00:47:09.060 even than the already

00:47:10.220 dangerous issue

00:47:11.040 of limiting

00:47:12.260 by the way

00:47:12.820 it only works

00:47:14.420 one direction

00:47:15.040 it only works

00:47:15.540 one direction

00:47:16.080 in terms of falsehood

00:47:18.200 the law

00:47:19.000 specifically states

00:47:20.940 that you cannot

00:47:22.040 try to convert

00:47:22.860 someone to heterosexual

00:47:23.940 or convert them

00:47:25.100 to cisgender

00:47:25.680 it doesn't say

00:47:26.920 you can't try

00:47:28.320 to suppress

00:47:28.860 someone's gender identity

00:47:29.660 it could say that

00:47:30.580 but instead it says

00:47:31.700 you cannot suppress

00:47:32.620 their gender identity

00:47:33.740 of a non-cisgender identity

00:47:35.340 so it specifies that

00:47:36.800 which means

00:47:37.420 that it's actually legal

00:47:38.800 to try to convert

00:47:39.620 someone to trans

00:47:40.540 or convert them to gay

00:47:41.440 it specifically

00:47:42.860 leaves that open

00:47:44.000 in the law

00:47:44.340 because if it weren't

00:47:45.700 the entire ruling class

00:47:46.740 would be in the clink

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00:49:24.120 yeah to pick up

00:49:25.920 on what Michael said

00:49:26.920 talk about conversion therapy

00:49:28.420 the anti-gay conversion therapy

00:49:31.020 does not happen

00:49:31.620 anywhere in the west

00:49:32.280 that doesn't exist

00:49:32.900 but the other kind

00:49:34.820 of conversion therapy

00:49:35.820 the type that Canada

00:49:37.120 specifically says

00:49:38.160 is still legal

00:49:38.800 that's the only type

00:49:40.240 that really happens

00:49:40.860 I mean you look

00:49:41.620 at the numbers

00:49:42.500 there was a recent

00:49:43.080 Gallup poll

00:49:43.700 and it found that

00:49:45.040 40% of generation Z

00:49:47.980 40% identify as LGBT

00:49:50.880 the trans identification

00:49:52.460 of the youngest generation

00:49:53.340 has risen tenfold

00:49:55.780 over older generations

00:49:57.260 now this is unprecedented

00:49:59.480 in human history

00:50:01.340 the history of civilization

00:50:02.160 we've never seen

00:50:02.680 anything like this before

00:50:03.640 and of course

00:50:04.360 it's not accidental

00:50:04.980 there is a real effort

00:50:07.220 ongoing to recruit kids

00:50:09.760 into the LGBT ranks

00:50:11.120 it is happening

00:50:11.780 and anytime you talk

00:50:13.680 about it

00:50:14.000 you're shouted down

00:50:15.040 with the rage

00:50:16.080 of a thousand sons

00:50:17.040 but that only shows you

00:50:18.240 that it's correct

00:50:18.980 I mean this is a real thing

00:50:19.880 that's happening

00:50:20.380 that they are making

00:50:21.760 a concerted effort

00:50:22.680 to help kids

00:50:23.100 did you see the viral video

00:50:23.880 there was a viral video

00:50:24.860 going around

00:50:25.320 it might have been posted

00:50:25.880 on libs of TikTok

00:50:26.680 two kids and a mother

00:50:27.980 and they were just

00:50:29.420 answering questions

00:50:30.000 the mother's obviously

00:50:30.640 exploiting these little kids

00:50:31.820 for her own social media gain

00:50:33.240 and the kid said

00:50:34.480 look

00:50:34.960 he was asked about

00:50:36.180 being LGBT

00:50:36.900 and she said

00:50:37.780 go ahead

00:50:38.240 say it

00:50:38.700 say it sunny

00:50:39.360 and he said

00:50:40.540 look

00:50:40.760 my mother doesn't care

00:50:41.760 if I'm gay

00:50:42.380 or a lesbian

00:50:43.020 or trans

00:50:43.580 she just wants me

00:50:44.660 to be some part

00:50:45.540 of the LGBT community

00:50:46.840 and the mother

00:50:47.760 kind of her eyes opened

00:50:48.540 she goes

00:50:48.760 what are you saying

00:50:49.820 and he says

00:50:50.340 I'm saying facts

00:50:51.380 I'm saying facts

00:50:53.000 wow

00:50:53.500 and

00:50:54.440 it's quite a terrifying video

00:50:56.220 when you look at the expression

00:50:57.080 on this mother's face

00:50:57.800 it's the expression of anger

00:51:00.020 but also the expression of

00:51:01.360 specifically

00:51:02.040 you're saying something

00:51:02.740 you're not supposed to be saying

00:51:03.440 I'm caught

00:51:03.920 and there are many kids

00:51:06.560 that are in this exact position

00:51:07.760 in their home

00:51:08.240 well we've set up

00:51:09.420 an incentive structure

00:51:10.220 and this is true

00:51:11.820 for a wide variety

00:51:13.500 of things in American life

00:51:14.780 where being perceived

00:51:16.140 as a member of a victim group

00:51:17.240 is an effective good

00:51:18.600 and the highest victim group

00:51:19.640 in American society

00:51:21.280 right now

00:51:21.800 is considered to be

00:51:22.680 the LGBTQ community

00:51:23.740 and so if you can be

00:51:25.060 not part of the majoritarian community

00:51:26.800 if you can be part of the LGBTQ community

00:51:28.420 this is why

00:51:29.060 you're seeing people

00:51:29.820 who are identifying as things

00:51:31.200 that are not in any way

00:51:32.780 sexual minority positions

00:51:34.080 for example

00:51:34.660 you saw

00:51:35.240 this move toward people

00:51:36.540 identifying as demisexual

00:51:37.640 which means you only have sex

00:51:39.000 with people you love

00:51:39.540 which we used to call marriage

00:51:40.500 right

00:51:41.300 we used to call that

00:51:42.140 like normal human existence

00:51:43.320 I don't know

00:51:44.120 a demisexual

00:51:44.700 certainly always

00:51:45.760 just meant women

00:51:46.660 but the baseline

00:51:51.040 sort of attempt

00:51:52.220 to push the notion

00:51:54.160 that if you are a member

00:51:55.200 of a victimized group

00:51:56.120 this means that you have

00:51:56.920 additional moral authority

00:51:58.080 and you're to be treated

00:51:58.740 with tremendous care

00:51:59.520 and people will celebrate you

00:52:00.520 and people will give you attention

00:52:01.360 I mean obviously

00:52:02.400 when it comes to things

00:52:02.960 like rapid onset gender dysphoria

00:52:04.280 which is a very real phenomenon

00:52:05.780 documented by Lisa Littman

00:52:06.940 over at Brown University

00:52:08.280 and shouted down

00:52:08.980 by all the academics

00:52:09.720 now when you document this stuff

00:52:11.740 there is a social contagion

00:52:12.840 that is happening

00:52:13.320 and it is very clearly

00:52:14.120 a social contagion

00:52:15.020 that is happening

00:52:15.900 and it's particularly spotable

00:52:17.420 when you look at the stats

00:52:18.180 with regard to transgenderism

00:52:19.380 when you look at the stats

00:52:20.660 with regard to this

00:52:21.280 which it used to be

00:52:21.900 a mostly male to female phenomenon

00:52:23.540 that was the thing

00:52:24.360 it was young men

00:52:25.360 who were identifying as women

00:52:27.020 and now it's completely flipped

00:52:28.440 and it's teenage girls

00:52:29.180 who are identifying en masse

00:52:30.600 as transgender

00:52:31.640 and it's in specific social groups

00:52:33.040 one girl does it

00:52:33.640 and then many girls

00:52:34.540 in the group do it

00:52:35.780 this has been shouted down

00:52:37.100 as not happening

00:52:38.080 and if you mention

00:52:39.060 that perhaps

00:52:39.540 the thing to pursue here

00:52:41.020 would be weightful watching

00:52:42.040 as opposed to

00:52:42.640 immediate hormone treatment

00:52:43.600 and surgery

00:52:44.100 and life destroying surgery

00:52:45.720 then this means

00:52:47.040 that you're a bigot

00:52:47.780 and I do love the way

00:52:49.240 that the scientific community

00:52:50.100 works on this

00:52:50.620 they declare something

00:52:51.320 to be science

00:52:51.980 that is not science

00:52:52.700 then somebody says

00:52:54.180 wait that's not science

00:52:54.980 and they say

00:52:55.240 well you're a bigot

00:52:56.220 and then two years pass

00:52:57.220 and it turns out

00:52:58.080 that of course

00:52:58.680 they were lying

00:52:59.280 and it wasn't science

00:53:00.000 and then they print an article

00:53:01.060 two years later saying

00:53:01.900 well it turns out

00:53:02.880 the science may be more complicated

00:53:04.020 than we originally assumed

00:53:04.960 but you're still a bigot

00:53:06.280 the New York Times

00:53:06.880 ran an article this week

00:53:07.780 this week

00:53:08.280 talking about how

00:53:09.220 you know there are

00:53:09.800 some psychiatrists

00:53:10.620 who say that perhaps

00:53:11.400 before we give hormones

00:53:13.780 out like candy

00:53:14.480 and before we start

00:53:15.500 giving transgender surgeries

00:53:16.560 we might want to actually

00:53:17.460 do a mental illness

00:53:18.420 or mental disorder

00:53:19.280 screening for people

00:53:20.320 before we just start

00:53:21.300 chopping off their breasts

00:53:22.060 and restructuring genitals

00:53:23.660 you know I get most

00:53:24.640 of my information

00:53:25.400 not from you know

00:53:26.120 fancy books or anything

00:53:26.980 but from these TikTok videos

00:53:28.260 and there was another

00:53:29.320 TikTok video of a gal

00:53:30.800 who has dissociative

00:53:32.480 identity disorder

00:53:33.320 so she's got lots

00:53:34.120 of voices in her head

00:53:35.020 and she said

00:53:35.780 most of the voices

00:53:36.700 are men

00:53:37.280 and because of that

00:53:39.180 I do not want

00:53:40.580 to get the gender surgery

00:53:41.800 but I am going

00:53:42.720 to transition

00:53:43.300 and it's hard for me

00:53:44.120 but it's going to make

00:53:44.740 my headmates

00:53:45.840 that was the term she used

00:53:46.780 it's going to make

00:53:47.300 my headmates happy

00:53:48.940 if I mutilate myself

00:53:50.240 and what is such

00:53:51.820 an indictment

00:53:52.340 of our culture

00:53:52.940 is this girl

00:53:54.160 can walk in

00:53:54.960 and say

00:53:56.100 I've got voices

00:53:56.900 speaking to me

00:53:57.520 in my head

00:53:57.980 and at least

00:53:58.760 as of today

00:53:59.680 she will get a diagnosis

00:54:01.020 that she has

00:54:01.760 a disordered psyche

00:54:02.820 and she'll be treated

00:54:03.740 for that disorder

00:54:04.500 but if that same girl

00:54:05.640 walks in and says

00:54:06.500 I'm actually a boy

00:54:07.740 there's nothing wrong

00:54:09.240 with her

00:54:09.480 five years ago

00:54:10.120 she would have been

00:54:10.660 told it was a disorder

00:54:11.320 now it is wonderful

00:54:12.400 and today if she's told

00:54:13.200 it's a disorder in Canada

00:54:14.240 the doctor will go to jail

00:54:15.180 for five years

00:54:15.780 that's right

00:54:16.200 exactly

00:54:16.660 and this obsession

00:54:17.820 with labels

00:54:18.400 I mean the dissociative

00:54:19.620 identity disorder

00:54:20.120 which by the way

00:54:20.920 I think is totally fake

00:54:22.080 anyway

00:54:22.320 but I did a dive

00:54:24.700 down the TikTok

00:54:25.640 sewage system

00:54:27.600 with that recently

00:54:28.740 and there's been

00:54:30.680 some reporting on this

00:54:31.440 this is actually

00:54:32.320 a huge trend

00:54:33.140 on TikTok right now

00:54:34.240 and TikTok gives you

00:54:35.180 it gives you a view

00:54:36.080 we could joke about it

00:54:36.720 but it gives you a view

00:54:37.360 into what's going on

00:54:39.240 with kids

00:54:39.580 because they all live

00:54:40.260 on this thing

00:54:40.660 and so this is a real trend

00:54:42.440 there are like millions

00:54:43.420 hashtags have millions

00:54:45.000 of entries

00:54:47.580 where lots of kids

00:54:49.460 now are saying

00:54:50.000 oh I actually have

00:54:50.720 disassociative identity

00:54:51.520 disorder as well

00:54:52.160 I have multiple personalities

00:54:53.580 we are legion

00:54:54.440 teenagers have no prefrontal cortex

00:54:58.140 and they are risk seeking

00:54:59.140 and attention seeking

00:54:59.980 so if you combine

00:55:00.940 risk seeking

00:55:01.440 and attention seeking

00:55:02.220 with an internet

00:55:03.240 and a leftist culture

00:55:04.140 that celebrates this stuff

00:55:05.320 you're all supposed

00:55:05.760 to be celebrated

00:55:06.440 for this sort of behavior

00:55:07.320 what do you think

00:55:08.280 you're going to get

00:55:08.740 but don't worry

00:55:09.880 it's strictly hardwired

00:55:11.000 biologically

00:55:11.780 it's just that until now

00:55:12.660 we didn't realize

00:55:13.160 that 40% of humans

00:55:14.300 are LGBT

00:55:14.820 nature to ensure

00:55:16.140 the continuation of the race

00:55:17.460 has made it possible

00:55:18.160 to convince teenage girls

00:55:19.280 of anything

00:55:19.840 it's devolution

00:55:23.420 it does bother me

00:55:24.740 that you know

00:55:25.440 the Chinese have banned

00:55:27.100 effeminate men

00:55:28.940 from being celebrities

00:55:30.420 and the Chinese

00:55:31.600 own TikTok

00:55:32.520 and are selling

00:55:33.800 this stuff to us

00:55:34.740 you know

00:55:35.340 sexual disorder

00:55:36.360 is

00:55:36.600 it's funny

00:55:37.920 I gotta admit

00:55:39.320 it's hilarious

00:55:39.880 to watch these people

00:55:40.700 destroy themselves

00:55:41.340 but it's also not funny

00:55:43.180 it is

00:55:43.640 it is like

00:55:44.540 this sort of

00:55:45.260 central question

00:55:46.360 when I think of

00:55:47.100 every single

00:55:48.200 dystopian novel

00:55:49.820 every great dystopian novel

00:55:51.160 the first thing that happens

00:55:52.600 is women are erased

00:55:53.620 the first thing that happens

00:55:54.800 is the reproductive

00:55:55.800 role of women

00:55:57.360 is erased

00:55:57.860 and I think that

00:55:59.240 you know

00:55:59.540 we've gotten to that point

00:56:00.640 and you have to start

00:56:01.380 to ask yourself

00:56:02.020 well wait a minute

00:56:02.580 what are we trying to solve

00:56:04.640 when we say

00:56:05.700 that a boy

00:56:07.120 can become an athlete

00:56:08.620 as a woman

00:56:09.340 can become a female athlete

00:56:10.920 and beat every female athlete

00:56:12.760 what problem

00:56:13.340 are we trying to solve

00:56:14.240 and I think we're trying

00:56:15.140 to solve the problem

00:56:15.820 of women

00:56:16.220 I am absolutely convinced

00:56:17.940 that a horror

00:56:19.520 of what women's

00:56:20.880 bodies actually are

00:56:22.420 has infested

00:56:23.420 our society

00:56:24.160 in general

00:56:24.880 and you can see it

00:56:25.760 in the movies

00:56:26.360 if you look back

00:56:27.100 to the

00:56:27.720 when the transition

00:56:29.420 was taking place

00:56:30.280 from the

00:56:31.780 kind of

00:56:33.260 traditional

00:56:34.060 idea

00:56:34.980 to the idea

00:56:35.520 that the future

00:56:36.140 was going to be different

00:56:37.020 you can suddenly see

00:56:38.100 that all the horror movies

00:56:39.320 were suddenly about

00:56:40.160 women's bodies

00:56:40.940 The Exorcist

00:56:41.860 is about a girl

00:56:42.480 basically having her

00:56:43.280 first period

00:56:43.860 Carrie is about a girl

00:56:45.020 having her first period

00:56:45.860 The Omen

00:56:46.640 and Rosemary's Baby

00:56:48.520 are about a woman

00:56:49.160 you know

00:56:49.620 having Satan

00:56:50.300 take over her body

00:56:51.200 the fact that

00:56:52.140 these bodies

00:56:52.900 are a connection

00:56:53.760 with creation

00:56:54.820 in such a physical way

00:56:57.640 has horrified

00:56:59.080 those people

00:56:59.920 who don't like

00:57:00.600 human beings

00:57:01.060 Did you see

00:57:01.680 that there was

00:57:02.340 a Planned Parenthood

00:57:03.100 tweet that all the

00:57:03.760 conservatives

00:57:04.180 were dunking on

00:57:05.120 and Planned Parenthood

00:57:06.340 from their main account

00:57:07.080 tweeted out

00:57:07.760 folks with vulvas

00:57:10.000 are not just

00:57:11.260 reproductive machines

00:57:12.660 and now

00:57:13.780 conservatives

00:57:14.160 were dunking on this

00:57:15.120 because it seems

00:57:15.640 contradictory

00:57:16.180 right

00:57:16.460 you say folks with vulvas

00:57:17.500 you're defining women

00:57:18.240 by their genitals

00:57:18.840 you say they're not

00:57:19.680 just reproductive machines

00:57:20.880 but it wasn't contradictory

00:57:22.360 they used their words

00:57:23.460 very carefully

00:57:24.020 they didn't say

00:57:24.560 folks with ovaries

00:57:25.400 they didn't say

00:57:26.140 folks with fallopian tubes

00:57:27.180 they said folks with

00:57:28.300 external organs

00:57:30.300 that are more oriented

00:57:31.120 toward pleasure

00:57:31.620 than reproduction

00:57:32.280 because what they're saying

00:57:33.040 is women are not

00:57:33.880 just reproductive machines

00:57:35.000 they're also

00:57:35.720 pleasure machines

00:57:36.640 they're also sterile

00:57:38.000 pleasure machines

00:57:38.760 that you can use

00:57:39.520 for your own

00:57:40.440 hedonistic desires

00:57:41.700 but don't ever think

00:57:43.240 about what they

00:57:43.940 actually do

00:57:44.560 the miracle that occurs

00:57:45.620 uniquely within women

00:57:47.060 I was watching TV

00:57:47.820 the other night

00:57:48.540 with my wife

00:57:49.000 and a commercial

00:57:49.580 came on

00:57:50.040 and this commercial

00:57:50.920 was about this couple

00:57:53.480 and they had been

00:57:54.820 attempting to get

00:57:55.580 a better phone plan

00:57:56.820 so we got married

00:57:57.560 so we could get

00:57:57.960 a better phone plan

00:57:58.840 and then we had

00:57:59.380 a bunch of kids

00:58:00.160 so we could get

00:58:00.520 a better phone plan

00:58:01.480 and so it shows

00:58:01.880 the entire room

00:58:02.740 is now filled

00:58:03.160 with children

00:58:03.600 of course

00:58:03.960 they're miserable

00:58:04.460 and there's crap

00:58:04.980 everywhere

00:58:05.300 and then it cuts

00:58:06.380 to a single woman

00:58:07.640 living in a

00:58:08.240 perfectly immaculate

00:58:09.700 apartment

00:58:10.020 with no one else in it

00:58:10.940 and she says

00:58:11.360 well I just got

00:58:11.840 a better phone plan

00:58:12.420 by going to

00:58:13.040 whatever the company was

00:58:14.320 and I turned to my wife

00:58:15.500 and I said

00:58:15.860 our society

00:58:16.960 is selling unhappiness

00:58:17.780 our society

00:58:18.980 is selling unhappiness

00:58:19.800 that's a misery point

00:58:21.080 our society

00:58:22.100 has decided

00:58:22.620 that the apex

00:58:23.560 of human civilization

00:58:24.860 is to live alone

00:58:26.020 in an immaculate apartment

00:58:27.100 in New York City

00:58:28.040 working 2200 billable

00:58:29.740 hours a year

00:58:30.580 but being able

00:58:31.560 to watch sex

00:58:32.140 in the city

00:58:32.560 with a glass of rosé

00:58:33.820 and this is what

00:58:34.620 womanhood is supposed to be

00:58:35.620 I mean

00:58:36.080 I can't think of

00:58:37.200 anything more flattening

00:58:38.500 than trying to

00:58:39.680 remove the single

00:58:40.840 most central thing

00:58:41.680 about being a woman

00:58:42.520 from womanhood

00:58:43.540 by the way

00:58:44.560 we're doing the same

00:58:45.080 thing with men

00:58:45.440 because the single

00:58:45.920 most important

00:58:46.880 thing that a man

00:58:47.440 does is become a father

00:58:48.440 and raise the next

00:58:49.140 generation

00:58:49.500 and protect his family

00:58:50.300 and we've removed

00:58:51.380 all of that

00:58:51.800 from men too

00:58:52.360 the idea of

00:58:53.380 the apotheosis

00:58:54.300 of manhood now

00:58:55.180 is basically

00:58:56.140 shockingly

00:58:56.940 the exact same

00:58:57.520 as a woman

00:58:57.820 to live in an apartment

00:58:58.740 alone by herself

00:58:59.660 drinking a glass of rosé

00:59:00.920 and watching sex

00:59:01.500 in the city

00:59:01.840 it's the exact same thing

00:59:03.820 because I don't think

00:59:04.620 it's just

00:59:05.060 I don't think

00:59:05.540 everyone needs

00:59:06.460 to get married

00:59:07.000 I actually don't

00:59:07.500 I don't think

00:59:07.880 everyone needs

00:59:08.300 to get married

00:59:08.620 I don't think

00:59:08.900 everyone needs

00:59:09.340 to have kids

00:59:09.700 a lot of people

00:59:10.160 can't have kids

00:59:10.900 and what

00:59:12.520 traditionally

00:59:13.260 would happen then

00:59:14.020 is that people would

00:59:15.220 join religious life

00:59:16.900 you'd become a priest

00:59:18.120 you'd become a nun

00:59:18.680 you'd become a brother

00:59:19.340 you would just

00:59:20.000 consecrate your singleness

00:59:21.480 you would attach it

00:59:23.160 to something

00:59:23.660 greater than yourself

00:59:25.040 and many

00:59:26.080 religions

00:59:26.960 do that

00:59:28.020 but what

00:59:28.920 the culture

00:59:29.580 is selling right now

00:59:30.340 is no no no

00:59:30.940 don't consecrate

00:59:32.180 yourself to anyone

00:59:33.200 to any family

00:59:34.440 to any god

00:59:35.440 consecrate yourself

00:59:36.600 to that glass of rosé

00:59:37.860 and you do you honey

00:59:38.900 and you'll be

00:59:39.340 I was just reading

00:59:41.060 a philosopher

00:59:42.020 that both Knowles

00:59:42.840 and I like very much

00:59:43.500 Rene Girard

00:59:44.320 and he said

00:59:45.440 that when you lose

00:59:46.280 the transcendental

00:59:47.320 aspect of life

00:59:48.440 you're divided

00:59:49.160 into two things

00:59:49.980 one is that you

00:59:51.060 basically magnify

00:59:52.360 your feelings

00:59:52.940 everything becomes

00:59:53.660 your feelings

00:59:54.240 but you have no sense

00:59:55.440 of the outside world

00:59:56.100 so you turn to experts

00:59:57.020 and you have to be

00:59:57.880 ruled by experts

00:59:58.780 while your whole life

01:00:00.420 becomes about your feelings

01:00:01.460 I felt like this was

01:00:02.420 a book that was written

01:00:03.340 you know decades ago

01:00:04.840 and I thought wow

01:00:05.460 that's bingo

01:00:06.560 that is the effect

01:00:07.940 of losing your sense

01:00:09.360 of the spiritual

01:00:09.920 yeah I think

01:00:10.520 the point Michael makes

01:00:12.160 is a good one

01:00:13.020 because anytime we talk

01:00:13.900 about how women

01:00:14.360 are called to be mothers

01:00:15.420 and we shouldn't

01:00:16.260 encourage them

01:00:16.660 to reject that

01:00:17.240 of course

01:00:18.040 immediately you get

01:00:19.120 these objections

01:00:19.620 what about women

01:00:20.280 who can't have babies

01:00:20.920 or what about this and that

01:00:21.680 well I think that

01:00:23.260 it's still accurate

01:00:24.200 in fact to say

01:00:24.660 that all women

01:00:25.300 are called to be mothers

01:00:25.960 and all men

01:00:26.360 are called to be fathers

01:00:27.000 it's just that

01:00:27.740 that can take on

01:00:28.320 different forms

01:00:28.880 the most obvious one

01:00:30.160 is obviously adoption

01:00:30.920 lots of people

01:00:31.560 are called to that

01:00:32.640 but there could even

01:00:33.320 be other forms

01:00:34.020 of parenthood

01:00:35.080 I mean you could go

01:00:35.520 into missionary work

01:00:36.100 go into religious life

01:00:36.840 the point is that

01:00:38.220 everyone is called

01:00:39.080 to service

01:00:40.060 in that capacity

01:00:42.580 in some form

01:00:43.420 nobody is called

01:00:44.800 to just live a life

01:00:45.900 entirely for themselves

01:00:47.100 in their apartment

01:00:48.240 watching TV

01:00:49.160 that's not a life

01:00:50.200 that anyone's called to

01:00:50.840 it's also not a life

01:00:51.720 that anyone can

01:00:52.340 derive real joy from

01:00:54.000 and I think that's

01:00:54.480 the point

01:00:54.960 when they have the term

01:00:55.780 gender assignment

01:00:56.520 I think we have

01:00:57.160 a gender assignment

01:00:57.900 I think it is literally

01:00:58.940 an assignment

01:00:59.480 a gender

01:01:00.560 everyone hates the term

01:01:01.740 gender role

01:01:02.320 but that's exactly

01:01:02.980 what

01:01:03.160 I've been working

01:01:05.700 on this theory

01:01:06.260 I'm working on a book

01:01:07.180 on sort of

01:01:08.200 the roots of politics

01:01:09.240 and freedom

01:01:10.000 and where freedom lies

01:01:11.820 in regard to rules

01:01:12.720 and I was trying to start

01:01:14.180 from like the very

01:01:14.780 very basics

01:01:15.320 well what are the things

01:01:16.180 that we need

01:01:16.560 for human happiness

01:01:17.260 and most philosophers

01:01:19.040 try to start

01:01:19.760 from the basis

01:01:20.300 of what are the higher goods

01:01:21.340 and so they'll say

01:01:21.860 things like justice

01:01:22.680 or virtue

01:01:23.340 and the problem

01:01:24.240 that I have with that

01:01:24.940 is that it's very difficult

01:01:25.740 to pin those things down

01:01:26.600 I mean we've been trying

01:01:27.200 to pin down

01:01:27.620 what is justice

01:01:28.140 for several thousand years

01:01:29.360 at this point

01:01:29.800 we seem no closer

01:01:30.460 to achieving the goal

01:01:31.860 but what is much easier

01:01:34.340 to pin down

01:01:34.860 is the roles

01:01:36.080 that we all play

01:01:36.820 in our lives

01:01:37.460 the stuff that goes

01:01:38.280 on your tombstone

01:01:39.360 because on every tombstone

01:01:41.080 at the cemetery

01:01:41.560 it says

01:01:42.020 beloved husband

01:01:42.860 and father

01:01:43.640 beloved brother

01:01:44.620 and son

01:01:45.200 that's every single tombstone

01:01:47.640 beloved drinker

01:01:48.640 of rosé

01:01:49.220 correct

01:01:49.480 beloved Netflix

01:01:51.920 and this is exactly

01:01:54.120 the point

01:01:54.480 society

01:01:55.240 there's a

01:01:57.760 sort of sociological

01:01:59.140 notion

01:01:59.840 that's called

01:02:00.320 structural functionalism

01:02:01.260 and the idea there

01:02:01.940 is that there are

01:02:02.520 roles in society

01:02:03.400 these roles have been

01:02:04.020 constructed over the course

01:02:04.840 of thousands of years

01:02:05.780 in order to create

01:02:07.080 a functional society

01:02:08.080 and these roles

01:02:08.520 work with one another

01:02:09.600 roles are not bad

01:02:10.820 roles are extremely good

01:02:12.060 if you don't have roles

01:02:13.180 you end up as a free

01:02:14.160 floating agent

01:02:14.800 without anything

01:02:15.520 to hem you in

01:02:16.380 your desires are not hemmed in

01:02:17.800 your life is not hemmed in

01:02:19.160 and you're essentially

01:02:20.620 living on a desert island

01:02:21.360 there's never been

01:02:21.880 a human being

01:02:22.320 who is happy

01:02:22.740 living on a desert island

01:02:23.580 because that doesn't work

01:02:24.480 what you actually need

01:02:25.460 are these roles

01:02:26.020 and what I mean

01:02:26.740 in a practical sense

01:02:27.520 is it's very difficult

01:02:28.360 to lock down

01:02:28.780 what is justice

01:02:29.280 or what is virtue

01:02:29.780 it's pretty easy

01:02:30.740 to lock down

01:02:31.240 what does a good father

01:02:32.500 constitute

01:02:33.020 because we can see

01:02:33.660 what a bad father is

01:02:34.400 we see tons of examples

01:02:35.340 of them all over the place

01:02:36.820 and so if we geared

01:02:38.320 our lives

01:02:38.880 toward fulfilling

01:02:39.440 these societal roles

01:02:40.520 and there are many of them

01:02:41.680 that we simultaneously live

01:02:42.900 we have a role

01:02:43.600 as a worshiper

01:02:44.240 we have a role

01:02:44.780 as a seeker of truth

01:02:46.120 we have a role

01:02:46.620 as a learner

01:02:47.040 these are all roles

01:02:48.000 that we live

01:02:49.100 throughout our lives

01:02:49.620 at different points

01:02:50.300 in our life

01:02:50.680 when you're a child

01:02:51.240 you're predominantly

01:02:51.800 a learner

01:02:52.140 and not a father

01:02:52.680 when you're older

01:02:53.380 you're predominantly

01:02:53.900 a teacher

01:02:54.380 and a father

01:02:54.820 and not a learner

01:02:55.360 as much

01:02:55.740 as we progress

01:02:57.040 through lives

01:02:57.500 playing those roles

01:02:58.300 that's where happiness lies

01:02:59.580 and we are a society

01:03:00.680 that is dedicated

01:03:01.280 to the proposition

01:03:01.960 that roles need

01:03:03.440 to be exploded

01:03:04.060 all roles are bad

01:03:05.380 because roles are

01:03:06.080 an imposition

01:03:06.520 from the outside

01:03:07.240 and of course

01:03:08.140 the problem is

01:03:08.740 that human beings

01:03:10.100 are adaptable tools

01:03:11.380 they're adapted

01:03:12.160 to fulfill those roles

01:03:13.040 and if those roles

01:03:13.720 go away

01:03:14.260 then if human beings

01:03:15.560 are sort of like water

01:03:16.340 that is poured

01:03:16.800 into vessels

01:03:17.360 and we take the shape

01:03:18.120 of the vessel

01:03:18.560 you get rid of the vessel

01:03:19.480 the water just goes everywhere

01:03:20.540 and that's what's happened

01:03:21.440 this kind of goes to a thought

01:03:22.320 that I've been nurturing

01:03:23.000 for a few weeks now

01:03:23.920 which is that

01:03:24.500 we need

01:03:25.260 the world needs the left

01:03:27.140 what I mean by this

01:03:29.440 is that

01:03:29.880 there are many good things

01:03:31.520 that happen

01:03:31.960 in a healthy society

01:03:33.420 that are not intrinsically

01:03:35.200 conservative

01:03:35.840 journalism

01:03:36.640 interestingly enough

01:03:37.580 is one of them

01:03:38.300 journalism is not

01:03:39.520 a constructive task

01:03:41.040 it's a destructive task

01:03:42.260 it's an intrinsically

01:03:43.340 left oriented task

01:03:45.700 but it's a necessary task

01:03:47.220 and so journalists

01:03:48.580 they pull at the thread

01:03:51.300 of something that's wrong

01:03:52.280 in a healthy society

01:03:53.480 and they expose it

01:03:54.740 and in doing that

01:03:56.100 they're not actively

01:03:57.680 involved in construction

01:03:58.840 they're actively

01:03:59.620 involved in destruction

01:04:01.260 but in a healthy society

01:04:03.280 a better construction

01:04:04.680 can be built

01:04:05.380 through the

01:04:05.700 journalistic practice

01:04:08.420 exposing a problem

01:04:09.360 so we might not

01:04:10.700 like the journalists

01:04:11.360 in a healthy society

01:04:12.160 we as conservatives

01:04:12.800 may think

01:04:13.340 oh they're tearing down

01:04:14.960 something important

01:04:15.720 but on the other side

01:04:18.380 of the thing

01:04:18.780 if it actually is

01:04:19.640 healthy and important

01:04:20.420 it will correct

01:04:21.500 in response to that

01:04:22.640 and become better

01:04:23.180 than it was

01:04:23.900 so in a healthy society

01:04:25.040 you need an element

01:04:26.060 of left

01:04:26.400 in a role based

01:04:28.180 in society

01:04:29.180 as you're describing it

01:04:30.120 I like eccentrics

01:04:32.480 I say to you all the time

01:04:33.820 like I'm a Christian

01:04:34.780 the world's better

01:04:35.300 with Jews in it

01:04:35.880 like I want to live

01:04:36.980 in a world

01:04:37.280 where not everybody

01:04:37.900 thinks like me

01:04:38.540 where not everybody

01:04:39.260 looks like me

01:04:39.860 I want my ideas challenged

01:04:41.180 I love Nashville

01:04:43.260 I'm very happy here

01:04:44.120 one of my problems

01:04:45.060 with Nashville

01:04:45.540 is that it's so Christian

01:04:47.100 and because it's so Christian

01:04:49.340 Christianity is easy

01:04:50.400 and because Christianity

01:04:51.460 is easy

01:04:52.020 it's comfortable

01:04:52.560 and because Christianity

01:04:53.520 is comfortable

01:04:54.080 it's in no way

01:04:55.160 intriguing or stimulating

01:04:56.340 it's hard to actually

01:04:57.460 engage the ideas

01:04:58.880 with anyone

01:04:59.380 and be disruptive

01:05:00.640 and find better

01:05:02.020 and find better thoughts

01:05:03.000 but in an unhealthy society

01:05:05.480 like the one

01:05:06.460 that we have right now

01:05:07.500 the left is dominant

01:05:08.760 in the culture

01:05:09.400 and when the left

01:05:10.440 is dominant in the culture

01:05:11.600 everything has been destroyed

01:05:13.140 and nothing now can heal

01:05:14.640 it's like when you work out

01:05:16.020 you know without resistance

01:05:17.320 there is no growth

01:05:18.840 of muscle right

01:05:19.500 resistance is necessary

01:05:21.140 in a healthy society

01:05:22.220 the left creates

01:05:22.820 some of that resistance

01:05:23.600 in an unhealthy society

01:05:25.160 you've broken everything

01:05:26.600 under the weight

01:05:27.360 and now nothing grows back

01:05:28.800 so the way

01:05:29.120 the way that I describe

01:05:29.860 this is my theory

01:05:30.620 this is why conservatives

01:05:31.420 though have a problem

01:05:32.880 with the arts

01:05:33.380 because the arts

01:05:34.000 are by nature

01:05:36.000 cultural critical

01:05:36.820 and so you have a guy

01:05:37.920 like Pete Seeger

01:05:38.700 folk singer

01:05:39.440 and communist spy

01:05:40.300 singing about

01:05:41.180 how you know

01:05:42.940 Levittown

01:05:43.500 and all these suburbs

01:05:44.420 are ticky tack

01:05:46.460 it's all ticky tack

01:05:47.360 and you think

01:05:47.880 well you know

01:05:48.480 princes would have killed

01:05:50.260 to live

01:05:51.120 like people lived

01:05:51.980 in Levittown

01:05:52.540 and this is one

01:05:53.560 of the great

01:05:54.220 you know

01:05:54.860 gifts of capitalism

01:05:55.900 but he's also right

01:05:57.300 and he's also

01:05:58.100 we have to question

01:05:59.220 the conformity

01:05:59.980 and the fact

01:06:00.480 that all these

01:06:00.880 and that is a healthy society

01:06:03.100 you're absolutely right

01:06:04.100 and it should be

01:06:05.580 that you know

01:06:06.300 the guy who said this

01:06:07.280 years ago

01:06:08.720 is Prince Charles

01:06:09.780 who said

01:06:10.340 we need an avant-garde

01:06:11.320 but when the avant-garde

01:06:12.180 becomes the leaders

01:06:13.180 we've lost our way

01:06:14.460 and that's absolutely right

01:06:15.720 the way that I've been

01:06:17.300 thinking about liberty

01:06:18.080 within all of these roles

01:06:19.240 that I'm talking about

01:06:19.960 is that each role

01:06:20.860 does contain with it

01:06:22.540 necessity for liberty

01:06:23.540 you need liberty

01:06:24.100 to raise your child

01:06:25.000 in a way that you see fit

01:06:26.520 while still upholding

01:06:27.680 the general rules

01:06:28.520 of being a father

01:06:29.400 you need to

01:06:30.440 you need the liberty

01:06:31.120 of the ability to learn

01:06:32.880 but within the

01:06:33.840 institution of learner

01:06:35.700 meaning you're not destroying

01:06:36.620 the possibility of rationality

01:06:38.040 for example

01:06:38.500 you're not destroying

01:06:39.060 the possibility of a common language

01:06:40.240 which is what the left

01:06:40.920 has done with things

01:06:41.920 like deconstructionism

01:06:43.140 and what that means

01:06:44.400 is that liberty is instrumental

01:06:46.260 as opposed to

01:06:47.420 as opposed to the highest goal

01:06:48.840 liberty isn't the highest goal

01:06:49.900 liberty is a goal

01:06:51.160 that lives within

01:06:52.340 each one of these roles

01:06:53.400 and it is necessary

01:06:54.540 for it to be there

01:06:55.700 because without it

01:06:56.420 these roles don't mean

01:06:57.360 a whole hell of a lot

01:06:58.120 you see

01:06:58.580 in the constitution

01:06:59.860 in the preamble

01:07:00.780 it refers to

01:07:01.700 not liberty per se

01:07:03.120 but the blessings

01:07:04.560 of liberty

01:07:05.240 liberty as an instrument

01:07:06.300 the notion of an instrumental liberty

01:07:08.240 does not mean that

01:07:08.880 liberty is of no consequence

01:07:09.920 there are some people

01:07:10.520 on sort of the

01:07:11.380 Adrian Vermeule side

01:07:12.160 who seem to say

01:07:12.700 that liberty means nothing

01:07:13.620 I don't know

01:07:15.000 I'm sympathetic to that

01:07:16.160 a little bit

01:07:16.560 but you know

01:07:17.000 that liberty can be flattened

01:07:19.240 in favor of the ultimate good

01:07:20.360 but it is to say

01:07:22.580 that when

01:07:23.200 the critique

01:07:24.060 that you see

01:07:24.900 from some common good

01:07:25.660 conservatives

01:07:26.160 of classical liberalism

01:07:29.160 is that classical liberalism

01:07:30.560 when it elevates liberty

01:07:31.520 to be the highest good

01:07:32.420 what it is actually doing

01:07:33.740 is it's leading the way

01:07:34.820 for liberty to be used

01:07:36.320 as a brick bat

01:07:36.980 against all of those institutions

01:07:38.240 and once you wipe away

01:07:38.940 those institutions

01:07:39.520 even liberty won't remain

01:07:40.420 and I think that that critique

01:07:41.620 is fairly well taken

01:07:43.860 I don't think that that critique

01:07:45.080 is entirely wrong

01:07:45.960 I think the critique

01:07:46.580 goes too far

01:07:47.120 when people start to say

01:07:48.240 okay well

01:07:48.640 if liberty is a danger

01:07:49.640 then the answer

01:07:50.540 is to pluck out liberty

01:07:51.880 completely

01:07:52.360 and destroy it over here

01:07:53.680 in order to make sure

01:07:54.720 that all of these rules

01:07:55.460 are protected

01:07:55.980 I don't think that

01:07:57.060 either one of those things

01:07:58.260 is a possibility

01:07:59.400 I think that if you're going

01:08:00.180 to have proper roles

01:08:01.000 in society

01:08:01.420 that lead to human happiness

01:08:02.280 one of our roles

01:08:03.220 is as chooser

01:08:04.020 right

01:08:04.500 it is as the person

01:08:05.420 who decides

01:08:05.840 how we fulfill

01:08:06.440 each one of these roles

01:08:07.140 we can't get rid of the roles

01:08:07.980 and we can't get rid of

01:08:08.960 the liberty that's inherent

01:08:09.800 in those roles

01:08:11.100 well this was the idea

01:08:12.040 of liberal education

01:08:13.200 is that it

01:08:13.880 educates you

01:08:15.160 to make sense

01:08:15.680 of your liberty

01:08:16.160 so that you can

01:08:16.980 fulfill those roles

01:08:17.720 and have a little leeway

01:08:19.320 in fulfillment

01:08:19.720 but Edmund Burke

01:08:21.160 who is increasingly

01:08:22.660 becoming my hero

01:08:23.540 who just basically said

01:08:24.620 we need to allow people

01:08:26.120 to do the wrong thing

01:08:27.300 I'm obviously paraphrasing

01:08:28.920 but we need to allow people

01:08:30.040 to do the wrong thing

01:08:31.120 and be free

01:08:31.960 so that we have freedom

01:08:34.800 it is better

01:08:35.400 than turning them

01:08:36.900 into machines

01:08:37.500 that are forced

01:08:38.260 to do the good thing

01:08:39.000 the problem

01:08:39.620 the problem with freedom

01:08:40.540 the problem of freedom

01:08:41.320 is that it allows people

01:08:42.380 to do bad things

01:08:43.200 you need cultural answers

01:08:44.760 to cultural questions

01:08:45.820 and what we

01:08:46.300 what I don't like

01:08:47.900 on the right right now

01:08:48.720 is that we blame liberty

01:08:50.240 that's right

01:08:50.840 for our collapse

01:08:51.500 that's right

01:08:51.780 liberty is not responsible

01:08:52.780 for our collapse

01:08:53.700 don't we

01:08:54.240 I think

01:08:54.800 as someone who's

01:08:55.380 a little more sympathetic

01:08:56.000 to that view

01:08:56.560 aren't we

01:08:57.520 we're not

01:08:58.240 at least

01:08:58.860 I am not

01:08:59.800 blaming liberty

01:09:00.740 I think liberty

01:09:02.160 has been misdefined

01:09:03.300 so we say

01:09:03.880 you should be allowed

01:09:04.660 to do the wrong thing

01:09:05.500 but we don't think

01:09:06.220 we should be allowed

01:09:06.740 to commit murders

01:09:08.100 or violent acts

01:09:08.820 against people

01:09:09.340 I don't think

01:09:10.120 we should be allowed

01:09:10.740 to use very harmful drugs

01:09:12.820 even though it

01:09:13.420 ostensibly doesn't harm

01:09:14.600 anybody else

01:09:15.180 it's just you

01:09:15.660 but I still think

01:09:16.260 drug laws are great

01:09:17.180 I still think

01:09:17.900 obscenity laws are great

01:09:18.780 certain porn laws

01:09:19.800 all these are your opinion

01:09:20.700 and they might make

01:09:21.840 for a very interesting

01:09:22.480 conversation

01:09:23.040 but you actually started

01:09:24.420 you're invoking

01:09:26.480 these as examples

01:09:27.400 as though

01:09:28.080 those are the things

01:09:28.820 that have destroyed our

01:09:29.560 yeah I think licentiousness

01:09:31.180 has destroyed

01:09:31.840 but hard drugs

01:09:32.800 hold on

01:09:33.460 hard drugs are illegal

01:09:34.600 in America right now

01:09:35.500 but they're increasingly legalized

01:09:37.020 but they're being

01:09:38.540 increasingly legalized

01:09:39.800 in our collapse

01:09:40.900 they were not legalized

01:09:42.640 which precipitated

01:09:43.800 our collapse

01:09:44.240 I'm not so sure

01:09:45.160 I think the broader

01:09:46.440 philosophical

01:09:47.040 I think the broader

01:09:48.520 philosophical

01:09:48.920 point is not that

01:09:50.600 pornography destroyed

01:09:51.320 everything

01:09:51.640 I think the broader

01:09:52.380 philosophical point

01:09:53.240 is that classical

01:09:53.900 liberalism relies on

01:09:54.880 a view of the individual

01:09:55.840 that is untethered

01:09:56.780 from reality

01:09:57.300 right this is the critique

01:09:58.100 the fair critique is

01:09:59.200 that classical liberalism

01:10:01.600 essentially devolves

01:10:02.700 all responsibility

01:10:03.400 to individuals

01:10:04.240 untethered from the society

01:10:05.360 around them

01:10:05.800 and the only thing

01:10:06.340 that matters

01:10:06.700 is that they're not

01:10:07.160 hitting somebody in the face

01:10:08.120 and so atomistic individuals

01:10:09.580 so long as you're not

01:10:10.140 hitting anybody else

01:10:10.640 in the face

01:10:10.980 you're not providing

01:10:11.740 a threat to anything else

01:10:12.940 and that assumes

01:10:13.640 that there is no sort

01:10:14.660 of public space

01:10:15.380 where there are

01:10:15.860 a set of rules

01:10:16.400 that apply

01:10:16.920 and where rules

01:10:18.080 must be upheld

01:10:19.080 by that set of rules

01:10:20.000 now I think that

01:10:21.600 there's a model

01:10:23.140 that I've frequently

01:10:24.120 been using now

01:10:25.120 in thinking about rights

01:10:25.860 because I think rights talk

01:10:26.800 is really really messy

01:10:28.180 and sloppy

01:10:28.600 and I think the way

01:10:29.100 that people think about rights

01:10:30.060 is really messy

01:10:30.560 and sloppy

01:10:30.900 so a few of these ago

01:10:31.880 I asked a question

01:10:32.780 which is

01:10:33.140 is there a right to sin

01:10:34.280 and you said no

01:10:35.920 and you said no

01:10:36.480 and Jeremy kind of said yes

01:10:37.340 and I was kind of like

01:10:38.020 on the side yes kind of

01:10:39.280 but there's a model

01:10:40.960 that I think

01:10:41.440 that is helpful

01:10:42.600 in thinking about this

01:10:43.640 and it was created

01:10:45.200 by a guy named

01:10:45.960 Wesley Hofeld

01:10:46.640 who's a lawyer

01:10:47.060 in the early 20th century

01:10:48.060 and what he did

01:10:48.840 is he said

01:10:49.180 basically when you talk

01:10:49.960 about rights

01:10:50.340 you're talking about

01:10:50.700 four separate things

01:10:51.400 and you have to be exact

01:10:52.580 about what you're talking about

01:10:53.460 the first thing

01:10:54.160 that you're talking about

01:10:54.880 is you have a right

01:10:56.240 to do something

01:10:56.800 if you have no duty

01:10:57.760 to do otherwise

01:10:58.500 okay so you have a right

01:10:59.820 to eat a hamburger

01:11:00.300 because there's no duty

01:11:01.080 for you to forego

01:11:01.720 the hamburger

01:11:02.140 then there's a claim right

01:11:03.940 this is what the left likes

01:11:04.820 the left likes to say

01:11:05.780 I can claim against you

01:11:07.380 a right to health care

01:11:08.500 okay

01:11:08.720 I have a right to health care

01:11:09.840 that means I can claim

01:11:10.560 from you

01:11:11.200 the ability to take your services

01:11:12.560 that's the kind of

01:11:13.460 right number two

01:11:13.960 then

01:11:14.600 there are

01:11:15.340 rights that are

01:11:18.400 there's a power

01:11:19.560 to control

01:11:20.040 how rights are redefined

01:11:21.220 which is like

01:11:21.820 as an employer

01:11:22.420 you have the right

01:11:22.980 to control

01:11:23.480 sort of how your employees

01:11:24.680 do their work

01:11:25.340 and then there are immunities

01:11:26.540 and immunities are

01:11:27.520 somebody does not have

01:11:28.480 the right

01:11:28.820 to redefine your rights

01:11:29.800 we as a society

01:11:31.040 have confused

01:11:31.760 the first type of right

01:11:32.680 right that privileges

01:11:33.740 with immunities

01:11:34.640 okay so what we have said

01:11:35.820 is just because the government

01:11:36.940 does not have the power

01:11:38.240 to control a thing

01:11:39.060 that means it is morally right

01:11:40.660 to do the thing

01:11:41.560 or morally acceptable

01:11:42.360 to do the thing

01:11:42.960 this is not the same thing

01:11:44.360 right so I would say

01:11:45.460 that you have no right

01:11:46.460 to drug use

01:11:47.120 you don't have a right

01:11:47.800 to drug use

01:11:48.260 I would also say

01:11:49.200 that there is a plausible argument

01:11:50.240 that you have an immunity

01:11:51.020 from government prosecution

01:11:51.960 for drug use

01:11:52.640 depending on whether

01:11:53.300 it is practical or not

01:11:54.600 for the government

01:11:55.220 to effectively police that

01:11:56.480 and that depends

01:11:57.460 on the level of government

01:11:58.260 right but I think

01:11:59.300 that where things get messy

01:12:00.180 for libertarians

01:12:00.840 is that they start

01:12:01.540 defining the immunity

01:12:03.960 from government

01:12:04.700 involvement in a particular area

01:12:06.560 as a right to do X

01:12:07.920 right I have a moral right

01:12:09.120 to pornography

01:12:09.980 because the government

01:12:10.800 and the government

01:12:11.440 can't invade that right

01:12:12.300 because I have a moral right

01:12:13.560 to pornography

01:12:14.040 no one has a moral right

01:12:15.520 to pornography

01:12:15.960 the government may be

01:12:16.780 very bad at policing it

01:12:17.580 the government on a pragmatic level

01:12:19.020 may not have the ability

01:12:20.040 to police it properly

01:12:20.940 but that does not mean

01:12:21.960 that you have a right

01:12:22.460 as a human being

01:12:23.020 to use pornography

01:12:23.600 because you do in fact

01:12:24.480 have a duty

01:12:24.840 not to use pornography

01:12:25.700 but this is

01:12:26.180 even in what you're saying

01:12:27.620 I mean look

01:12:28.100 the spoiler alert to this

01:12:29.280 is there's no system

01:12:30.340 there is no system

01:12:31.480 that perfects a human heart

01:12:32.640 right so we have to

01:12:33.740 we have to

01:12:34.300 but some are better than others

01:12:35.260 some are better than others

01:12:36.180 but we have to

01:12:36.740 we want individuals

01:12:38.380 to be free

01:12:38.960 because we believe

01:12:39.660 that to be a right

01:12:40.560 but we have to

01:12:41.700 inculcate in people

01:12:43.540 an assessment of virtue

01:12:45.960 an idea of virtue

01:12:46.880 and this is

01:12:47.760 one thing I would say

01:12:48.860 is that this fear of liberty

01:12:49.760 shrinks the more local you get

01:12:51.880 right because when you

01:12:53.080 find the community

01:12:53.780 in which you are

01:12:54.300 like I don't think

01:12:55.120 that it's equal

01:12:55.520 and I think everybody

01:12:56.120 makes this mistake

01:12:56.720 I think libertarians

01:12:57.480 think that you should

01:12:58.020 be libertarian

01:12:58.580 in your local community

01:12:59.380 and conservatives

01:12:59.880 think that you should

01:13:00.500 be national conservatives

01:13:01.340 at the top level

01:13:02.060 but there is a subsidiary

01:13:03.740 the fear of liberty

01:13:05.260 never disappears

01:13:05.860 there's no point

01:13:06.720 at which the government

01:13:07.720 has a right to tell you

01:13:08.900 to stop saying

01:13:10.400 what you think

01:13:11.140 there's certain core liberties

01:13:12.700 that can't be invaded

01:13:13.220 but that's a pretty small list

01:13:14.800 are we skipping over

01:13:15.900 the question of how

01:13:16.600 we even know

01:13:17.340 everything you just said

01:13:18.420 about rights

01:13:18.780 a lot of interesting observations

01:13:20.060 but there's the real

01:13:21.320 fundamental basic question

01:13:22.380 of how do we even know

01:13:23.260 where any of these rights

01:13:25.020 come from

01:13:25.340 you say well I have a right

01:13:26.000 to do this

01:13:26.320 who says you have a right

01:13:27.080 to do that

01:13:27.700 how do you know

01:13:28.160 you have a right to do that

01:13:28.600 what I'm suggesting

01:13:29.160 is that there are

01:13:29.680 very few rights

01:13:30.340 that you have

01:13:31.280 and when I say rights

01:13:32.320 I mean like

01:13:32.760 a moral right

01:13:34.180 a thing where you

01:13:35.340 don't have a duty

01:13:35.800 I think you have lots of

01:13:36.640 I'm saying that

01:13:39.500 there are very few things

01:13:40.340 where you have rights

01:13:41.000 in the way that we tend

01:13:41.700 to understand rights

01:13:42.440 which is you have

01:13:42.860 the moral right to do acts

01:13:43.860 I don't think you have

01:13:44.800 lots of moral rights

01:13:45.420 to do things

01:13:45.820 I think you have a lot

01:13:46.760 of immunities from the government

01:13:47.580 because the government

01:13:47.940 is ineffective

01:13:48.340 to try to maybe tie this

01:13:51.140 back to identity

01:13:51.740 part of the problem

01:13:52.620 is we remove responsibilities

01:13:54.840 from rights

01:13:56.180 and then the whole thing

01:13:56.840 falls apart

01:13:57.400 and kind of the same thing

01:13:58.640 happens with identity

01:13:59.560 we have this obsession

01:14:00.340 with identity

01:14:01.000 in our culture today

01:14:02.680 where we're finding identity

01:14:03.700 with all these different labels

01:14:04.860 and we want to

01:14:05.560 categorize our identities

01:14:07.060 and compartmentalize everything

01:14:08.720 but there's no

01:14:09.700 role or responsibility

01:14:11.260 that comes with

01:14:12.220 any of those identities

01:14:13.020 so it doesn't mean anything

01:14:14.260 you know you could say

01:14:15.280 well I'm a man

01:14:16.000 I'm a woman

01:14:16.320 I'm whatever

01:14:16.700 but it doesn't mean anything

01:14:17.880 because it's all the same

01:14:18.740 right it's all the same

01:14:19.720 so you can list your identities

01:14:22.520 and have 50 different identities

01:14:24.840 and 50 different labels

01:14:25.840 but what does any of that

01:14:27.340 actually mean

01:14:28.100 it doesn't mean anything at all

01:14:28.920 in our society

01:14:29.360 what it means

01:14:29.680 is that you have a claim

01:14:30.160 right against somebody

01:14:30.800 right it means that you have

01:14:31.980 a claim against somebody

01:14:32.600 when you say I have an identity

01:14:33.520 you don't mean I

01:14:34.160 like it's such a switch

01:14:35.740 in how kind of religious

01:14:36.560 people think

01:14:37.060 when I identify as a Jew

01:14:38.200 what I mean is

01:14:38.600 I have this many duties

01:14:39.880 right I have this giant list

01:14:41.700 of duties because I am a Jew

01:14:42.880 and when you say you're a Catholic

01:14:43.860 same thing

01:14:44.380 when you say that you are

01:14:45.300 a Protestant

01:14:45.980 same thing

01:14:46.880 when you say you're a Burkean

01:14:48.040 actually the same thing

01:14:49.040 but the way that we

01:14:50.680 now do identity

01:14:51.440 when I say that I have

01:14:52.880 an identity as a trans person

01:14:54.260 I don't mean

01:14:54.900 this comes along

01:14:55.500 with a list of duties

01:14:56.160 I mean this comes along

01:14:57.080 with a list of demands

01:14:57.960 that's right

01:14:58.760 my identity is a list

01:14:59.560 of demands against you

01:15:00.460 but can we go back

01:15:01.100 to what you were saying

01:15:01.940 because I thought

01:15:02.560 that was a really

01:15:03.160 important point

01:15:03.900 that we have lost

01:15:05.340 I mean we're living

01:15:06.060 in a Jenga tower

01:15:07.580 of certain ideas

01:15:08.940 that have come down to us

01:15:10.180 that have logically led

01:15:11.960 to the idea of liberty

01:15:13.000 and if you pull out

01:15:14.500 the bottom of that Jenga tower

01:15:15.920 the tower collapses

01:15:17.060 and that's exactly

01:15:18.200 where we are

01:15:18.800 I mean we have people

01:15:19.620 like this guy

01:15:20.840 Yuval Harari

01:15:21.660 who was a great futurist

01:15:22.820 basically

01:15:23.260 who says no

01:15:24.760 this is all fiction

01:15:25.580 we just invented

01:15:26.500 this idea of rights

01:15:27.500 but no we didn't

01:15:28.580 we didn't invent

01:15:29.220 this idea of rights

01:15:30.020 it comes from an idea

01:15:31.140 of what a human being is

01:15:32.740 and what a human being

01:15:33.600 is in society

01:15:34.400 and we've thought

01:15:35.640 this through

01:15:36.300 and if all those ideas

01:15:38.420 are just fictions

01:15:39.460 then we can hurl them out

01:15:41.180 it doesn't matter

01:15:41.760 but if they're not

01:15:42.860 then we should understand

01:15:44.060 where they come from

01:15:44.700 we've basically

01:15:46.120 inculcated ignorance

01:15:47.600 well maybe there's

01:15:48.340 something else

01:15:48.640 that we should add

01:15:49.040 which is that

01:15:49.360 we haven't thought

01:15:50.080 them through

01:15:50.400 I'm not a big believer

01:15:51.900 like Michael Oakeshott

01:15:52.860 I'm not a big believer

01:15:53.520 that our rights

01:15:55.320 are the result

01:15:55.980 of rationalism

01:15:56.660 and this is I think

01:15:57.260 one of the

01:15:57.540 enlightenment mistakes

01:15:58.260 is this idea

01:15:58.940 that rights

01:15:59.460 spring full blown

01:16:00.260 from people's heads

01:16:00.860 I don't think

01:16:01.260 that's right

01:16:01.400 my heart is beating

01:16:02.200 pitter patter in my chest

01:16:03.080 the basic idea here

01:16:04.500 is that rights

01:16:05.520 are an outgrowth

01:16:06.160 of thousands of years

01:16:07.100 of sociocultural

01:16:08.680 evolution

01:16:09.500 and most of that

01:16:10.900 is done naturally

01:16:11.760 ground up

01:16:12.260 it is not done

01:16:12.860 by a bunch of thinkers

01:16:13.440 who are sitting in ivory towers

01:16:14.300 who are like

01:16:14.580 today I have a right

01:16:15.340 those things were implicit

01:16:16.600 in the way that people lived

01:16:18.620 when Locke came along

01:16:19.680 and started discussing rights

01:16:20.580 rights already existed

01:16:21.660 in Britain

01:16:22.000 he was talking about

01:16:22.800 things that already existed

01:16:23.860 and so he was providing

01:16:25.040 an intellectual framework

01:16:26.480 for those things

01:16:27.160 to continue to exist

01:16:28.500 and that's why I think

01:16:29.660 that the attempt

01:16:30.400 to sort of read Locke

01:16:31.920 as a complete radical

01:16:32.680 separate from Christianity

01:16:33.500 is actually misbegotten

01:16:34.680 I think that a lot

01:16:35.240 of the critiques

01:16:35.900 of Locke are overwrought

01:16:37.180 but the basic idea

01:16:38.760 which is that

01:16:39.560 rationalism is what

01:16:40.680 brought us rights

01:16:41.280 is extraordinarily dangerous

01:16:42.500 because as soon as

01:16:43.120 you start saying

01:16:43.640 that rationalism

01:16:44.320 is what brought us

01:16:44.820 our institutions

01:16:45.160 or our rights

01:16:45.860 the first thing

01:16:46.740 that happens

01:16:47.220 is that people

01:16:48.040 start saying

01:16:48.440 well show me the evidence

01:16:49.500 show me the evidence

01:16:50.240 show me how that's true

01:16:51.300 if that's not true

01:16:52.160 then maybe we should

01:16:52.600 just get rid of that thing

01:16:53.340 and this is what

01:16:53.740 they've done to marriage

01:16:54.300 marriage is an institution

01:16:55.680 which has a long

01:16:57.320 and storied history

01:16:58.080 throughout human existence

01:16:58.900 but defining

01:17:00.320 explaining why marriage

01:17:01.960 is important

01:17:02.400 is sort of like

01:17:03.120 explaining why

01:17:03.800 era is important

01:17:04.480 it defies explanation

01:17:07.580 you can say

01:17:07.860 I need it to live

01:17:08.740 but I can't explain

01:17:09.660 to you all of the

01:17:10.640 biological pathways

01:17:11.540 why I need

01:17:12.340 the era to live

01:17:13.200 because I haven't

01:17:13.660 really thought about it

01:17:14.220 I just do it

01:17:14.800 I just kind of need it

01:17:15.740 I don't think about it

01:17:16.380 this is where Tolstoy

01:17:17.580 gets things right

01:17:18.340 I mean he

01:17:18.780 Tolstoy kind of

01:17:20.220 devalued the individual

01:17:21.340 but he always thought

01:17:22.620 of the individual

01:17:23.200 as a historical

01:17:24.220 entity

01:17:25.860 an avatar

01:17:26.340 of what was happening

01:17:27.520 in history

01:17:27.860 so he would say

01:17:28.500 of Locke

01:17:28.940 history will throw up

01:17:30.520 a Locke

01:17:30.820 when it's ready

01:17:31.380 to have Locke

01:17:32.240 say what he has to say

01:17:33.460 and there's a certain

01:17:34.240 truth to that

01:17:34.880 because it is a system

01:17:36.740 of evolution

01:17:37.940 or development

01:17:39.220 that comes from

01:17:40.520 basic ideas

01:17:41.340 that you know

01:17:43.000 just kind of

01:17:43.500 infest

01:17:44.080 infuse the community

01:17:45.760 and are part of the community

01:17:47.000 you're absolutely right

01:17:47.860 that reason is not

01:17:49.180 the path to

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01:22:30.620 So obviously I'm the most

01:22:32.400 libertarian guy

01:22:33.180 on the panel

01:22:34.120 I think everything

01:22:35.360 you're saying

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01:22:36.480 What I don't like

01:22:39.080 is that on the right

01:22:40.060 today

01:22:40.480 as I said

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01:22:43.600 and liberty is not

01:22:44.340 responsible for our

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01:22:45.480 What's responsible

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01:22:47.060 is that we've abandoned

01:22:47.960 all the important roles

01:22:49.660 and structures

01:22:50.060 that undergird

01:22:50.740 our liberty

01:22:51.680 You can't have

01:22:52.480 as our founders

01:22:53.580 were very clear

01:22:54.200 you can't have liberty

01:22:55.280 apart from values

01:22:56.440 You can't have liberty

01:22:57.100 apart from religion

01:22:57.820 You can't have liberty

01:22:58.480 apart from morality

01:22:59.340 but it is necessarily

01:23:01.240 the case

01:23:01.780 that if you have

01:23:02.440 those things

01:23:03.040 you must also

01:23:04.160 have liberty

01:23:04.640 We've been talking

01:23:07.760 about a lot of

01:23:08.500 interesting things

01:23:09.040 tonight

01:23:09.340 about the nature

01:23:11.560 of sexual preference

01:23:12.500 and gender identity

01:23:13.300 and these laws

01:23:13.900 in Canada

01:23:14.380 and it raises

01:23:15.440 certain questions

01:23:16.160 about the mind

01:23:18.720 It raises certain

01:23:19.520 questions about sin

01:23:20.280 It raises certain

01:23:20.800 questions about liberty

01:23:21.700 It raises certain

01:23:22.620 questions about the soul

01:23:23.740 I observed to Ben

01:23:25.580 earlier today

01:23:26.140 that there's this

01:23:26.720 question raging

01:23:27.380 on Twitter about

01:23:28.100 can you be homosexual

01:23:29.480 and conservative

01:23:30.520 and I think

01:23:32.200 that we're so behind

01:23:33.240 as conservatives

01:23:33.920 even having that

01:23:34.900 conversation

01:23:35.440 that we don't know

01:23:36.460 that in the future

01:23:37.120 all homosexuals

01:23:38.100 will have to be

01:23:38.860 conservative

01:23:39.280 because the

01:23:40.960 transgender ideology

01:23:42.000 has gone so far

01:23:43.340 that you won't be able

01:23:44.360 to be homosexual

01:23:45.340 without being a bigot

01:23:46.280 and they'll all move

01:23:47.120 over to be conservative

01:23:48.100 but the best debate

01:23:50.020 raging on the internet

01:23:50.820 over the last 24 hours

01:23:51.880 I think

01:23:52.400 was inspired by

01:23:53.780 our very own

01:23:54.580 Matt Walsh

01:23:55.080 and that's the question

01:23:56.340 of

01:23:56.800 it started

01:23:59.580 Matt if I'm not

01:24:00.220 mistaken

01:24:00.580 a tweet that you

01:24:01.380 put out

01:24:02.400 that was about

01:24:03.300 the increase

01:24:04.680 in episodes

01:24:05.800 of depression

01:24:06.360 increase in episodes

01:24:07.540 of anxiety

01:24:08.220 by young people

01:24:09.980 in this country

01:24:10.560 children in this country

01:24:11.560 because of

01:24:12.520 these horrible

01:24:13.580 lockdowns

01:24:14.740 that the government

01:24:15.220 has foisted upon us

01:24:16.080 and that we

01:24:16.420 that so many of us

01:24:17.480 have willingly

01:24:18.300 embraced

01:24:19.400 and brought into our homes

01:24:20.320 and someone

01:24:21.260 made the point

01:24:22.080 that mental illness

01:24:22.960 is on the increase

01:24:23.820 because of COVID

01:24:24.580 and Matt

01:24:25.320 you responded

01:24:25.840 by saying

01:24:26.320 well there are

01:24:26.600 two problems

01:24:27.160 with essentially

01:24:28.240 what you're saying

01:24:28.700 one is COVID

01:24:29.240 didn't cause any of this

01:24:30.280 we did

01:24:31.140 through our misguided

01:24:32.060 policies in response

01:24:33.020 to COVID

01:24:33.480 and two

01:24:34.540 your position

01:24:36.400 is that you can't

01:24:37.700 call it mental illness

01:24:38.680 when we inflicted it

01:24:39.720 upon children

01:24:40.300 it's not

01:24:40.880 it wasn't created

01:24:42.000 by their biology

01:24:42.940 it wasn't created

01:24:43.800 by virus

01:24:45.640 or bacteria

01:24:46.460 or not even

01:24:47.400 by birth

01:24:47.920 it was created

01:24:48.640 by our very

01:24:49.540 deliberate action

01:24:50.620 something that we

01:24:51.140 did to these kids

01:24:52.060 and therefore

01:24:53.040 I think what you

01:24:53.680 were implying

01:24:54.100 is that

01:24:54.520 the surest way

01:24:55.680 to address it

01:24:56.440 is to stop

01:24:57.600 doing that

01:24:58.220 to our kids

01:24:59.640 and from there

01:25:00.360 you can tell us more

01:25:01.340 but the internet

01:25:02.540 melted

01:25:02.980 yeah

01:25:03.820 I mean

01:25:04.320 I think the point

01:25:05.920 is that

01:25:06.380 for kids

01:25:08.180 who are

01:25:08.640 in despair

01:25:09.900 or they're anxious

01:25:10.800 or they're stressed

01:25:11.460 out or they're sad

01:25:12.200 especially over

01:25:13.840 the last two years

01:25:14.700 that's a

01:25:15.320 that's a totally

01:25:16.160 that's not mental

01:25:17.160 and it's not

01:25:17.520 they're not diseased

01:25:18.460 that is a totally

01:25:19.640 justifiable

01:25:20.420 and in fact

01:25:21.220 rational response

01:25:22.460 to the position

01:25:23.580 that they've been put in

01:25:24.500 it's a response

01:25:25.080 to their environment

01:25:25.760 and so we can

01:25:26.900 look at a kid

01:25:28.020 who's been

01:25:28.780 he spent one year

01:25:30.600 locked away in his house

01:25:31.460 having to go to school

01:25:32.520 online

01:25:33.080 taken away from his friends

01:25:34.840 then he goes to school

01:25:35.840 and now he's got to wear

01:25:36.360 a mask

01:25:36.820 and he doesn't get

01:25:38.100 some kids have gone

01:25:39.600 two years

01:25:39.900 not seeing their friends

01:25:40.600 faces

01:25:40.960 and not being able

01:25:41.880 to show their face

01:25:42.520 I mean these kinds

01:25:43.000 of things have a real

01:25:43.600 effect on people's

01:25:44.180 psychology

01:25:44.680 and on their

01:25:45.400 spirit

01:25:46.400 and so that's a response

01:25:48.000 now it's not a

01:25:48.780 it's not a good response

01:25:49.840 it doesn't mean

01:25:50.400 that we should just

01:25:51.000 oh well they're depressed

01:25:51.860 they've got to deal

01:25:52.960 with it

01:25:53.280 no but we have to

01:25:54.100 understand the source

01:25:55.220 of the problem

01:25:55.880 and then there could

01:25:57.180 be counseling

01:25:57.740 there could be all

01:25:58.380 kinds of ways

01:25:58.800 to address it

01:25:59.440 but the problem

01:26:00.260 is if we say

01:26:00.880 well you've got

01:26:01.420 a mental illness

01:26:02.080 and so we're going

01:26:03.380 to give you

01:26:03.560 some drugs

01:26:03.960 we're going to

01:26:04.100 give you some

01:26:04.320 counseling

01:26:04.540 and throw you

01:26:05.300 right back

01:26:05.860 into the environment

01:26:06.520 that caused it

01:26:07.020 in the first place

01:26:07.580 and that started

01:26:09.900 this whole debate

01:26:10.520 about depression

01:26:11.540 in general

01:26:12.260 and my position

01:26:13.540 which is what

01:26:14.580 really provoked

01:26:15.500 the wrath of

01:26:16.240 lots of people

01:26:16.700 on the left

01:26:17.080 and right

01:26:17.580 is that

01:26:19.240 I don't think

01:26:20.320 that depression

01:26:21.480 and anxiety

01:26:22.160 for anyone

01:26:23.060 that this counts

01:26:24.700 as a mental illness

01:26:25.400 I don't think

01:26:25.860 that it's a mental illness

01:26:26.940 I don't think

01:26:27.220 it's a disease

01:26:27.760 I think that it is

01:26:28.820 always

01:26:29.200 that anytime

01:26:30.020 someone is depressed

01:26:30.860 and you talk to them

01:26:32.680 or they go to a counselor

01:26:33.460 you can trace

01:26:35.340 the reason

01:26:35.920 to something

01:26:36.320 that's going on

01:26:37.080 in their lives

01:26:37.740 and sometimes

01:26:38.600 it may go back

01:26:40.240 to

01:26:40.560 very often

01:26:41.480 it's kind of obvious

01:26:42.540 what's going on

01:26:43.160 and it could go back

01:26:44.020 to their childhood

01:26:44.600 many different factors

01:26:46.200 play into it

01:26:46.400 it could go back

01:26:46.800 to their understanding

01:26:47.820 of their role

01:26:48.420 in the world

01:26:48.860 and spirit

01:26:49.360 and religion

01:26:50.500 if nothing else

01:26:51.500 it goes back

01:26:52.180 to the fact

01:26:52.720 that we are

01:26:53.720 conscious beings

01:26:55.160 living in the world

01:26:57.140 and I think

01:26:57.520 there's a certain amount

01:26:58.420 of you know

01:26:58.760 we used to know

01:26:59.600 that to live

01:27:00.600 is to suffer

01:27:01.160 right

01:27:01.420 so there's a certain

01:27:02.420 amount of suffering

01:27:03.220 that comes

01:27:03.820 with simply

01:27:04.440 being a conscious

01:27:06.020 agent in the world

01:27:07.280 and so

01:27:08.080 to chalk that up

01:27:09.380 to a disease

01:27:10.540 I think

01:27:11.260 I'm accused

01:27:13.000 of minimizing

01:27:13.560 because I say

01:27:14.280 it's not a disease

01:27:14.860 I think it minimizes

01:27:16.220 it to say

01:27:16.800 that oh

01:27:17.140 it's just a chemical

01:27:17.820 imbalance in the brain

01:27:18.720 take a pill

01:27:19.600 and you'll be fine

01:27:20.180 I think there's

01:27:20.820 something much deeper

01:27:21.800 and more serious

01:27:22.920 going on

01:27:23.300 doesn't mean

01:27:24.440 that oh

01:27:25.600 just toughen up

01:27:26.300 and get over

01:27:26.760 it doesn't mean

01:27:27.380 that depression

01:27:28.180 doesn't exist

01:27:28.860 it doesn't mean

01:27:29.320 we shouldn't help

01:27:29.880 people that are suffering

01:27:30.660 it just means

01:27:31.480 that we should understand

01:27:32.220 that it's much more complex

01:27:33.680 and much deeper

01:27:35.000 than simple chemicals

01:27:36.480 before we launch off

01:27:38.360 and Michael

01:27:38.860 I'll go to you next

01:27:39.820 to be clear

01:27:41.940 do you believe

01:27:42.820 that there is such a thing

01:27:43.820 as mental illness

01:27:44.780 I mean that's

01:27:46.940 that's an interesting question

01:27:48.000 I'm actually a little bit

01:27:49.160 I was mentioning off the air

01:27:50.580 there's this guy

01:27:51.060 named Thomas Zazz

01:27:52.020 who wrote a book

01:27:52.480 called The Myth of Mental Illness

01:27:53.280 in the 1960s

01:27:54.020 and he was a psychiatrist

01:27:56.300 and his position

01:27:57.020 was that

01:27:57.760 the entire category

01:27:58.740 of mental illness

01:27:59.300 it's a category error

01:28:01.060 and in fact

01:28:01.760 we have brain diseases

01:28:03.140 which is like

01:28:03.900 dementia, epilepsy

01:28:04.940 and you can look

01:28:06.260 at what's happening

01:28:06.780 in the brain

01:28:07.100 and it's very clear

01:28:08.580 that the brain itself

01:28:09.460 is diseased

01:28:09.960 and it's being destroyed

01:28:11.420 by this disease

01:28:13.080 mental illness

01:28:14.240 is a separate thing

01:28:15.240 in fact we call it

01:28:16.000 a mental illness

01:28:16.560 because it's linked

01:28:17.520 to the brain

01:28:18.660 is not exactly clear

01:28:19.760 and so what we're doing

01:28:20.560 with mental illness

01:28:21.120 is we're diagnosing behaviors

01:28:22.920 I mean a good example

01:28:23.680 aside from depression

01:28:24.420 is ADHD

01:28:25.160 we see that a kid

01:28:26.180 is being hyperactive

01:28:28.240 or he's not paying attention

01:28:29.000 he's bored in school

01:28:29.760 or whatever

01:28:30.080 and we're deciding

01:28:31.960 based on the behavior

01:28:32.960 that there's something

01:28:34.060 wrong in the mind

01:28:35.120 but the trace back

01:28:36.440 to the physical brain

01:28:37.300 is always quite unclear

01:28:38.440 and so his point

01:28:40.380 is that mental illness

01:28:41.340 is really sort of

01:28:41.980 a metaphor

01:28:42.500 for behaviors

01:28:44.760 that we find

01:28:45.820 abhorrent

01:28:46.820 or inconvenience

01:28:47.860 or distress

01:28:49.500 and that

01:28:51.380 what we've done

01:28:53.620 is we've medicalized

01:28:54.720 these behaviors

01:28:55.420 when in fact

01:28:56.320 there's an origin

01:28:57.320 that's deeper than that

01:28:58.140 and it goes back

01:28:58.660 to the conscious mind

01:28:59.960 so I'm sympathetic

01:29:01.060 to that view

01:29:01.680 I don't know

01:29:02.100 if I totally buy into it

01:29:03.060 but when it comes

01:29:03.820 to depression

01:29:04.620 anxiety

01:29:05.220 ADHD

01:29:06.420 I mean I think

01:29:07.120 that these things

01:29:07.680 are essential

01:29:09.100 to the human condition

01:29:10.380 anxiety

01:29:11.040 this is something

01:29:12.180 that philosophers

01:29:12.960 it used to be

01:29:13.720 for thousands of years

01:29:14.860 who do we go to

01:29:16.000 to find out about

01:29:16.880 a problem like

01:29:18.360 anxiety or despair

01:29:19.300 we went to priests

01:29:20.500 we went to philosophers

01:29:21.520 it was a philosophical question

01:29:23.380 and now we've decided

01:29:24.700 that it's a medical question

01:29:26.860 and I don't think

01:29:27.740 that things have gotten

01:29:28.800 better because of that

01:29:29.460 I don't think anything

01:29:30.060 has been clarified

01:29:30.720 because of that

01:29:31.340 Michael

01:29:31.740 I'm very sympathetic

01:29:33.300 to your take on this

01:29:34.380 but would you say

01:29:36.580 that some people

01:29:38.260 are born

01:29:38.800 with

01:29:39.720 because it's a fallen world

01:29:41.100 or some people

01:29:42.140 born with just

01:29:42.820 some problems

01:29:43.580 of their body

01:29:44.720 or of their mind

01:29:45.940 that make them

01:29:48.140 perhaps a little more

01:29:49.000 prone to melancholy

01:29:50.160 as we used to call it

01:29:51.300 now we call it

01:29:51.980 clinical depression

01:29:52.720 or something

01:29:53.140 that make them

01:29:53.800 a little more depressive

01:29:54.720 or make them

01:29:55.200 a little more eccentric

01:29:56.760 I mean it would seem

01:29:57.800 to me that these

01:29:58.820 sorts of things

01:29:59.320 can be inborn

01:30:00.640 that they can have

01:30:01.180 some biological basis

01:30:02.460 sometimes you'll hear

01:30:03.340 conservatives

01:30:03.900 they'll say

01:30:04.920 nobody is born gay

01:30:06.600 or nobody is born

01:30:08.100 transgender

01:30:08.660 and I think

01:30:09.540 well I mean

01:30:10.680 what do you know

01:30:11.380 maybe they're

01:30:12.100 I have no reason

01:30:13.200 to think

01:30:13.500 I mean it's a fallen world

01:30:14.560 some people are born

01:30:15.340 with four fingers

01:30:16.520 I mean

01:30:16.960 but even if they're

01:30:18.360 born that way

01:30:18.920 take ADHD for example

01:30:20.020 so there are some kids

01:30:22.140 who are born that way

01:30:23.140 and they're much more

01:30:23.600 hyperactive than other kids

01:30:24.680 and maybe you can even

01:30:25.940 trace it to the brain

01:30:26.660 and see there's certain

01:30:27.280 chemical reactions

01:30:28.040 happening in the brain

01:30:28.580 that make them

01:30:28.920 more hyperactive

01:30:29.400 well the next question is

01:30:30.980 and this again I think

01:30:31.880 is a philosophical question

01:30:32.660 how do you know

01:30:34.140 the kid isn't supposed

01:30:35.300 to be like that

01:30:36.440 I mean

01:30:36.740 you have decided

01:30:37.840 that that sort of

01:30:39.160 personality

01:30:39.720 isn't supposed

01:30:41.000 to exist in the world

01:30:42.040 and therefore

01:30:42.560 it's a medical problem

01:30:43.500 but that is a

01:30:45.340 philosophical judgment

01:30:46.340 that is not

01:30:46.940 a scientific judgment

01:30:47.820 and it's a judgment

01:30:48.760 that we make

01:30:49.320 especially with ADHD

01:30:50.020 because we don't know

01:30:52.640 how to deal with that

01:30:53.740 it's like when you go

01:30:54.740 to a doctor

01:30:55.240 and you say

01:30:55.620 my kid has ADHD

01:30:56.460 one of the first

01:30:57.280 questions they ask you

01:30:58.020 to the doctor

01:30:58.440 is is it causing

01:30:59.960 problems at school

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01:32:50.300 there are differences

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01:32:53.920 so schizophrenia

01:32:54.580 is a mental condition

01:32:55.640 right

01:32:56.540 the problem with brain science

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01:32:59.100 underdeveloped

01:32:59.820 right

01:32:59.940 we actually know

01:33:00.580 very very little

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01:33:02.580 MRIs and functional MRIs

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01:33:06.540 centers of the brain

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01:33:07.880 other than like

01:33:08.540 the most broad based

01:33:09.600 sort of assumptions

01:33:10.200 schizophrenia is an actual

01:33:11.340 mental condition

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01:33:12.660 medication

01:33:13.080 okay when it comes to anxiety

01:33:14.580 there's a difference

01:33:15.120 between experiencing

01:33:15.820 mild anxiety

01:33:16.480 and experiencing

01:33:17.320 such severe anxiety

01:33:18.660 that you can't get out

01:33:19.380 of bed in the morning

01:33:20.040 and sometimes

01:33:20.840 that can be

01:33:21.220 situationally caused

01:33:22.080 and sometimes

01:33:22.480 it absolutely

01:33:23.000 is not situationally caused

01:33:24.640 and you know

01:33:25.640 when it comes to things

01:33:26.300 like OCD

01:33:26.780 OCD is an actual

01:33:27.980 disorder in which

01:33:29.340 you see people

01:33:31.140 who are performing

01:33:32.500 the same tasks

01:33:33.080 over and over

01:33:33.620 and over again

01:33:34.160 for example

01:33:34.800 they'll sit there

01:33:35.720 and they will

01:33:36.140 write a word

01:33:36.680 and then they'll

01:33:37.000 erase the word

01:33:37.460 and then they'll

01:33:37.720 write the word

01:33:38.060 and then they'll

01:33:38.360 erase the word

01:33:38.800 and they'll

01:33:38.960 write the word

01:33:39.260 and they'll

01:33:39.460 erase the word

01:33:39.920 that is not

01:33:41.060 something that is

01:33:41.680 coming in the

01:33:43.080 vast majority of cases

01:33:43.860 from some sort of

01:33:44.580 deep seated

01:33:45.140 societal trauma

01:33:46.440 that's coming

01:33:46.960 from an actual

01:33:47.840 problem

01:33:49.480 in the wiring

01:33:50.440 of the brain

01:33:51.020 that requires

01:33:51.620 both cognitive

01:33:52.760 behavioral therapy

01:33:53.560 as well as

01:33:54.660 in some cases

01:33:55.400 medication

01:33:56.180 but there's a

01:33:56.700 social phenomenon

01:33:57.600 that I think

01:33:58.040 Matt you're reacting to

01:33:58.880 which I react against

01:33:59.800 as well

01:34:00.220 which is

01:34:00.920 it's very popular

01:34:01.920 now to say

01:34:02.440 we need to

01:34:03.020 de-stigmatize

01:34:04.280 mental illness

01:34:05.220 and what that means

01:34:06.580 on the surface

01:34:07.180 is we shouldn't

01:34:07.920 make people feel bad

01:34:08.780 if they wake up

01:34:09.360 clinically depressed

01:34:10.300 you know

01:34:10.580 I was depressed

01:34:11.480 once in my life

01:34:12.140 because a family

01:34:12.640 member died

01:34:13.200 and I got over it

01:34:14.580 that's sadness

01:34:15.880 and despair

01:34:17.440 now some people

01:34:19.060 wake up

01:34:19.520 and nothing has

01:34:20.020 gone wrong

01:34:20.360 in their life

01:34:20.700 and they're just

01:34:21.200 depressed

01:34:21.760 and that's a

01:34:22.220 different thing

01:34:22.700 so I'm not

01:34:23.220 denying that

01:34:23.700 and so you're

01:34:24.140 saying don't

01:34:24.680 feel bad

01:34:25.140 because you've

01:34:25.540 got schizophrenia

01:34:26.100 or bipolar

01:34:27.200 or whatever

01:34:27.820 but I think

01:34:29.220 the effect

01:34:29.840 of de-stigmatized

01:34:30.940 mental illness

01:34:31.500 is now everyone

01:34:32.360 takes to TikTok

01:34:33.080 and brags about

01:34:34.140 their mental illness

01:34:34.860 and it carries

01:34:35.400 some social

01:34:35.800 we're sort of

01:34:36.280 dichotomous about

01:34:36.900 this

01:34:37.040 so on the one

01:34:37.460 hand we say

01:34:37.860 de-stigmatize

01:34:38.460 mental illness

01:34:39.000 so that means

01:34:39.760 let homeless people

01:34:40.380 live on the streets

01:34:40.960 and push people

01:34:41.420 in front of subway

01:34:41.900 and on the other

01:34:43.020 hand we say

01:34:43.840 de-stigmatize

01:34:44.900 mental illness

01:34:45.660 such that

01:34:46.720 there is no such

01:34:47.760 thing as normal

01:34:48.320 anymore

01:34:48.740 and so anybody's

01:34:49.700 behavior has to be

01:34:50.720 treated as normal

01:34:51.660 even when it is

01:34:52.340 completely abnormal

01:34:53.040 so I believe

01:34:53.600 that there is

01:34:54.180 normal

01:34:54.440 I believe that

01:34:54.940 there are people

01:34:55.300 who do require

01:34:56.000 medication

01:34:56.440 in order to

01:34:57.020 reach some

01:34:57.500 sort of stasis

01:34:58.260 and function

01:34:59.480 in their life

01:35:00.500 and I don't want

01:35:02.560 to speak for you

01:35:02.940 but what I am

01:35:03.420 saying is

01:35:03.800 then in a certain

01:35:04.640 way we need to

01:35:05.400 re-stigmatize

01:35:06.540 mental illness

01:35:07.200 not to make

01:35:07.960 people feel bad

01:35:08.760 but to make

01:35:09.320 people seek

01:35:09.860 treatment

01:35:10.280 for these behaviors

01:35:11.240 that are destructive

01:35:11.960 to themselves

01:35:12.480 and society

01:35:12.820 the problem

01:35:13.840 is materialist

01:35:14.800 bias in the

01:35:15.560 medical community

01:35:16.360 I mean

01:35:16.720 having had the

01:35:18.320 experience

01:35:18.840 of actually

01:35:20.040 having gone

01:35:20.540 insane

01:35:20.980 and having

01:35:21.740 been saved

01:35:22.500 I believe

01:35:23.220 healed

01:35:23.620 I believe

01:35:24.300 miraculously

01:35:25.040 by talking

01:35:26.040 to another

01:35:26.500 human being

01:35:27.020 never took

01:35:27.880 any kind

01:35:28.480 of drug

01:35:28.840 at all

01:35:29.280 never

01:35:29.620 anything

01:35:30.400 but I was

01:35:31.980 healed

01:35:32.260 I was remarkably

01:35:33.360 healed

01:35:33.720 I do believe

01:35:36.400 that these

01:35:37.540 psychotropic

01:35:38.840 drugs

01:35:39.360 are tools

01:35:40.020 that can be

01:35:40.760 used sometimes

01:35:41.480 even by people

01:35:42.420 whose lives

01:35:44.240 the narrative

01:35:45.080 of their lives

01:35:45.700 has caused

01:35:46.180 them to be

01:35:46.640 unhappy

01:35:47.260 sometimes they're

01:35:48.100 so unhappy

01:35:48.820 that they can't

01:35:49.660 get to the point

01:35:50.360 where they can

01:35:51.160 profit by therapy

01:35:52.240 without a little

01:35:53.080 bit of

01:35:53.340 my grandfather's

01:35:53.960 life was saved

01:35:54.360 by lithium

01:35:54.800 right

01:35:55.020 exactly

01:35:55.700 and there's

01:35:58.300 no question

01:35:58.800 that some

01:35:59.040 people as you

01:35:59.640 point out

01:36:00.080 and I think

01:36:00.400 this is a

01:36:00.780 really important

01:36:01.540 point

01:36:01.840 that some

01:36:02.280 people are

01:36:02.660 born

01:36:03.180 with a

01:36:03.780 chemical

01:36:04.320 imbalance

01:36:04.800 that can

01:36:05.080 be fixed

01:36:05.400 by chemicals

01:36:05.880 you know

01:36:06.320 that's

01:36:06.540 we are

01:36:07.200 we are

01:36:08.340 holy

01:36:09.220 material

01:36:10.040 creatures

01:36:10.500 who represent

01:36:11.600 spiritual

01:36:12.540 truths

01:36:13.060 you know

01:36:13.360 that's

01:36:13.600 that's

01:36:13.880 what we

01:36:14.180 are

01:36:14.360 we are

01:36:14.760 the

01:36:14.880 language

01:36:15.380 of spirit

01:36:16.100 matter

01:36:17.140 is the

01:36:17.400 language

01:36:17.620 of spirit

01:36:18.060 and so

01:36:18.700 the problem

01:36:20.240 is that

01:36:21.200 once

01:36:22.060 psychiatrists

01:36:23.180 went from

01:36:23.760 being

01:36:24.160 talking

01:36:24.960 cure

01:36:25.280 people

01:36:25.620 to being

01:36:26.600 drug

01:36:27.440 dealers

01:36:27.760 they gained

01:36:29.480 incredibly

01:36:30.340 in prestige

01:36:31.780 the prestige

01:36:32.980 of a

01:36:33.200 psychiatrist

01:36:33.620 now

01:36:33.960 is huge

01:36:34.840 because

01:36:35.460 all that

01:36:36.080 happens

01:36:36.340 you say

01:36:36.800 well I'm

01:36:37.040 divorced

01:36:37.380 and I'm

01:36:37.620 sad

01:36:37.840 here's a

01:36:38.180 drug

01:36:38.400 that's

01:36:39.000 what they

01:36:39.220 do

01:36:39.420 that's

01:36:39.740 literally

01:36:39.960 what they

01:36:40.340 do

01:36:40.480 not good

01:36:41.320 ones

01:36:41.560 what

01:36:41.800 not good

01:36:42.460 ones

01:36:42.720 but a lot

01:36:43.740 of them

01:36:44.740 I know I want to look all psychiatrists together

01:36:46.420 no but 85%

01:36:47.380 of them

01:36:47.560 and they're going

01:36:48.160 you know

01:36:48.520 their consequence

01:36:49.300 you look at the DSM

01:36:50.320 the diagnostic statistical manual

01:36:51.580 mental disorders

01:36:52.060 and at this point

01:36:53.300 it's longer than the bible

01:36:54.080 and literally

01:36:55.300 they have in fact

01:36:56.540 medicalized and categorized

01:36:58.060 every aspect of the human

01:36:59.220 condition

01:36:59.600 and you know

01:37:00.840 everyone sort of agrees with that

01:37:02.000 and anytime we have this conversation

01:37:03.240 people always say

01:37:03.820 well yeah these problems are over diagnosed

01:37:05.480 well maybe we should stop and think

01:37:07.380 why is our mental illness is so often over diagnosed

01:37:10.500 we don't have the problem with diabetes

01:37:11.900 we don't have the problem with cancer

01:37:12.920 I mean

01:37:13.400 there may be

01:37:14.080 there may be false diagnosis

01:37:15.180 but it's not nearly the same

01:37:16.360 and so maybe that's because

01:37:18.020 there's a problem

01:37:18.900 with the way we perceive the category

01:37:20.640 so to your point about

01:37:21.440 schizophrenia for example

01:37:22.600 you can trace it to the brain

01:37:23.840 well the Thomas Zas

01:37:24.960 sort of way of looking at this

01:37:26.040 which again

01:37:26.340 I'm not saying I totally endorse

01:37:27.420 I just think it's an interesting idea

01:37:28.540 but he would say

01:37:29.600 well okay

01:37:30.460 if you can totally trace it to the brain

01:37:31.680 and it's clearly a disease

01:37:32.500 then it's a brain disease

01:37:33.440 and call it that

01:37:34.140 don't call it a mental illness

01:37:35.000 so maybe that's the distinction

01:37:37.080 we have to draw here

01:37:37.960 because

01:37:38.320 yeah

01:37:38.920 what do you call it

01:37:39.980 the treatment is the question

01:37:41.880 well I'm not sure

01:37:43.200 I'm not sure Ben

01:37:44.080 what we call it matters

01:37:45.480 and yes the treatment's the question

01:37:46.820 but

01:37:47.000 or the treatment is a question

01:37:48.760 but I'm not sure that it's the question

01:37:50.280 I think what

01:37:51.320 what we're

01:37:51.940 you really hit on something

01:37:53.280 the materialist bias

01:37:55.560 of the medical community

01:37:57.180 and I think that that's

01:37:58.800 where this thing lives

01:37:59.860 it's brain primacy

01:38:01.440 right

01:38:02.060 the meat primacy

01:38:02.880 yeah yeah

01:38:03.320 material primacy

01:38:04.520 that's how we solve every question

01:38:06.180 but the

01:38:06.720 even the word mental

01:38:08.240 mental implies the mind

01:38:09.500 what is the mind

01:38:10.740 the mind is the obvious intersection

01:38:12.960 between our meat

01:38:14.520 and what is transcendent about us

01:38:16.320 my mind is where I am

01:38:17.940 right

01:38:18.540 it's everything that I

01:38:19.860 physically am

01:38:20.800 but it's all the things that I am

01:38:22.160 that are not merely

01:38:23.140 physical as well

01:38:24.460 the mind is the intersection

01:38:25.960 of the body and the soul

01:38:26.860 the mind is the intersection

01:38:28.340 of

01:38:28.880 of thought and feeling

01:38:31.460 the mind is

01:38:32.120 the mind is where our actual identity

01:38:33.860 actually lives

01:38:34.740 not the identities that we procure

01:38:36.460 for ourselves through diagnoses

01:38:37.820 as such

01:38:39.340 the mind is not

01:38:40.660 exclusively

01:38:42.120 the brain

01:38:43.240 right

01:38:44.200 the mind is not exclusively

01:38:45.780 the material

01:38:46.480 and the mind cannot

01:38:47.440 exclusively be treated

01:38:48.880 through material means

01:38:50.020 but it is also the case

01:38:52.400 that the mind is not

01:38:53.480 exclusively spiritual

01:38:54.760 the mind is not

01:38:55.640 exclusively transcendent

01:38:57.100 and therefore the mind

01:38:58.720 can't exclusively be

01:39:00.120 healed by

01:39:01.180 exclusively transcendent means

01:39:03.140 in every instance

01:39:03.820 and so there are people

01:39:04.860 who will say

01:39:05.240 pray the gay away

01:39:06.020 or people will say

01:39:06.600 pray your depression away

01:39:07.580 I'm not an advocate for that

01:39:09.680 there are also people

01:39:10.880 who will say

01:39:11.380 oh you've got a feeling

01:39:12.320 take a pill

01:39:12.920 I'm not an advocate

01:39:13.820 for that either

01:39:14.620 I think that we're in

01:39:15.860 the most mysterious

01:39:16.860 least understood

01:39:17.800 and most essential part

01:39:20.460 of what it means

01:39:20.840 to be a person

01:39:21.360 and it is undoubtedly

01:39:22.420 the case in a fallen world

01:39:23.640 that is a child

01:39:24.240 can be born with four fingers

01:39:25.400 a child can be born

01:39:26.580 with a brain disorder

01:39:27.540 there are corruptions

01:39:29.400 of the brain

01:39:30.280 that can

01:39:31.600 left untreated

01:39:32.860 become corruption

01:39:33.620 of the soul

01:39:34.260 because the mind

01:39:35.380 is the sinew

01:39:36.200 between those two ideas

01:39:37.440 it is also the case though

01:39:39.180 that there are problems

01:39:40.400 of the soul

01:39:41.620 problems of thought

01:39:42.600 that can become

01:39:43.800 and this is the part

01:39:44.760 that no scientist

01:39:45.680 will ever talk about

01:39:46.680 because it cuts against

01:39:48.040 their entire materialist view

01:39:49.360 I can think thoughts

01:39:51.660 that change my physical brain

01:39:53.600 over time

01:39:54.060 we know it's true

01:39:55.680 but we will not talk about it

01:39:57.240 behaviors will change

01:39:58.300 my brain over time

01:39:59.500 just like a lifting a weight

01:40:00.920 will change the muscle

01:40:01.720 in my arm

01:40:02.360 of course

01:40:02.860 that's the fundamental basis

01:40:04.080 of the only form

01:40:04.860 of psychiatry

01:40:05.580 that actually has been

01:40:06.400 shown to do anything

01:40:07.000 aside from drugs

01:40:07.660 cognitive behavioral therapy

01:40:08.720 that's right

01:40:09.020 the entire basis of that

01:40:10.240 is that you repeatedly

01:40:11.260 breaking the chain

01:40:11.920 of your own thoughts

01:40:12.460 changes the pathways

01:40:13.580 in your brain

01:40:14.320 such that you have

01:40:15.000 a different reaction

01:40:15.480 this is why

01:40:16.040 because everything

01:40:17.080 is in Shakespeare

01:40:17.820 you know

01:40:18.200 you read a Midsummer's

01:40:19.200 Night's Dream

01:40:19.740 and he asks the question

01:40:21.200 if I give you a potion

01:40:22.800 and you fall in love

01:40:24.020 are you in fact in love

01:40:25.640 and I think the question now

01:40:26.920 is if they give you a potion

01:40:27.980 and you stop being depressed

01:40:29.400 are you in fact happy

01:40:30.740 and the best line

01:40:32.320 about this came

01:40:32.900 from a friend of mine

01:40:34.200 who was given

01:40:35.220 antidepressant drugs

01:40:36.360 and she said

01:40:36.860 I'm still depressed

01:40:37.720 I just can't feel it anymore

01:40:39.120 and that is to me

01:40:40.700 that was a very profound remark

01:40:43.060 because if you don't feel

01:40:44.180 your depression

01:40:44.700 there are people

01:40:45.580 who will say

01:40:46.040 you are no longer depressed

01:40:47.160 but clearly that's not true

01:40:48.940 and just as if

01:40:50.180 I'm not sure

01:40:51.180 I totally agree

01:40:51.740 with all of this

01:40:52.220 the reason I'm not sure

01:40:53.280 that I agree with all of this

01:40:54.120 is because for a lot of people

01:40:55.340 clinical depression

01:40:57.000 for example

01:40:57.520 is an obstacle to happiness

01:40:58.840 so the question is

01:40:59.720 you're talking about practicality

01:41:01.560 and I'm talking about the reality

01:41:02.560 yeah but there's another

01:41:03.300 there's another

01:41:03.660 distinguish for me

01:41:05.440 well for instance

01:41:06.420 I know people

01:41:07.740 who have so badly

01:41:09.640 raised their children

01:41:10.520 that their children

01:41:11.120 have mental problems

01:41:11.980 and they give their children

01:41:12.840 drugs

01:41:13.200 and both the children

01:41:13.820 and they are happier

01:41:14.820 but I don't think

01:41:15.780 that that has solved

01:41:16.560 the problem

01:41:16.980 I think it has erased

01:41:18.100 the effects of it

01:41:19.100 well I mean

01:41:19.380 I'm not saying

01:41:20.100 that that's

01:41:20.580 and sometimes

01:41:21.000 that's the only thing

01:41:21.740 you can do

01:41:22.080 right

01:41:22.260 but the reality

01:41:24.140 of the situation

01:41:25.000 is that the best combination

01:41:26.680 for some people

01:41:27.480 and again

01:41:27.880 I think that the reason

01:41:29.060 people are getting

01:41:29.640 uptight about this

01:41:30.360 is because

01:41:31.080 the suggestion

01:41:31.760 when it comes to

01:41:33.160 the notion

01:41:34.320 that this is

01:41:34.960 mostly a spiritual problem

01:41:36.180 that can be solved

01:41:36.720 through mostly spiritual means

01:41:37.740 is that

01:41:38.040 the responsibility

01:41:38.920 for your own happiness

01:41:39.860 lies with you

01:41:40.400 in many cases

01:41:41.240 that's true

01:41:41.820 I mean I think

01:41:42.520 we all agree

01:41:42.900 that in many cases

01:41:43.500 that's true

01:41:43.900 that the only thing

01:41:44.560 that can change

01:41:45.060 your circumstances

01:41:45.740 is your outlook

01:41:46.420 on the world

01:41:46.860 right

01:41:47.020 there's been a religious

01:41:47.560 perspective

01:41:47.960 since religion began

01:41:49.260 right

01:41:49.700 or that

01:41:50.040 the only way

01:41:51.320 that you can change

01:41:52.100 your approach

01:41:52.940 to the world

01:41:53.400 is through changing

01:41:54.120 the way that you act

01:41:54.880 toward the world

01:41:55.280 all of that may be true

01:41:56.500 and then

01:41:57.200 for a lot of people

01:41:58.120 there may be another problem

01:41:59.440 and that problem

01:42:00.280 was not caused

01:42:01.120 by an outside stimulus

01:42:02.700 or if it was caused

01:42:03.460 by an outside stimulus

01:42:04.280 it cannot be removed

01:42:05.140 anymore

01:42:05.440 by changing the outside stimulus

01:42:06.420 this is not

01:42:07.600 these are not mutually exclusive

01:42:08.780 that's right

01:42:09.480 what I'm saying

01:42:10.640 about depression

01:42:11.300 I don't think

01:42:11.620 it's a mental illness

01:42:12.200 or disease

01:42:12.660 that doesn't necessarily

01:42:14.380 preclude the option

01:42:16.500 of taking a drug

01:42:17.600 to help address it

01:42:19.000 you know

01:42:19.420 I'm skeptical

01:42:20.180 of a lot of these drugs

01:42:21.400 and I think

01:42:21.680 that they're way overused

01:42:22.720 I agree there

01:42:23.200 but there's no reason

01:42:23.960 just because

01:42:25.340 if you were to subscribe

01:42:26.320 to my idea

01:42:27.080 that it's not a disease

01:42:28.000 that doesn't necessarily mean

01:42:28.740 that you can't take a

01:42:29.460 can't take a drug

01:42:30.280 to address it

01:42:30.720 there's also

01:42:31.320 a chicken or egg problem

01:42:33.220 which I think

01:42:33.700 Jeremy alluded to

01:42:34.440 which is

01:42:34.760 even if we could trace

01:42:36.200 depression back

01:42:36.840 to a chemical imbalance

01:42:37.660 in the brain

01:42:38.240 which by the way

01:42:38.780 is a totally outdated theory

01:42:40.080 and almost any scientist

01:42:41.040 you talk to now

01:42:41.600 or doctor

01:42:42.020 who's being honest

01:42:43.300 will tell you

01:42:43.700 that that's

01:42:44.280 at best

01:42:45.140 a massive oversimplification

01:42:46.420 but even if you could find

01:42:48.080 a quote

01:42:48.920 chemical imbalance

01:42:49.580 in the brain

01:42:50.000 of a depressed person

01:42:50.820 well the question is

01:42:52.060 are they depressed

01:42:53.140 because of the chemical imbalance

01:42:54.880 or is the chemical imbalance

01:42:55.940 there because they're depressed

01:42:57.140 and what I would say

01:42:58.180 is that

01:42:58.720 we talk about the mind

01:43:00.240 I mean

01:43:00.560 what's the mind

01:43:01.660 the mind is your

01:43:02.640 conscious experience

01:43:04.220 of the world

01:43:05.140 okay

01:43:05.480 and your brain

01:43:06.240 is the organ in your head

01:43:07.080 so

01:43:07.880 this idea

01:43:09.340 that we can

01:43:10.060 really

01:43:11.220 simply

01:43:11.960 and kind of blithely

01:43:12.900 medicalize

01:43:14.520 someone's conscious

01:43:15.500 experience

01:43:16.120 of the world

01:43:16.940 and say

01:43:17.740 well your experience

01:43:18.560 is incorrect

01:43:19.080 and so

01:43:19.760 it's

01:43:20.260 and not only

01:43:21.060 is it incorrect

01:43:21.500 but it's

01:43:21.880 it's diseased

01:43:22.900 it's sick

01:43:23.600 I actually do have

01:43:25.200 a fundamental disagreement

01:43:25.880 with this

01:43:26.260 I think that there are

01:43:26.920 certain circumstances

01:43:27.820 where you can look

01:43:28.540 at a person

01:43:28.920 and you realize

01:43:29.580 there's a reason

01:43:30.160 why the person

01:43:30.720 is depressed

01:43:31.120 so for example

01:43:31.740 you had a friend

01:43:32.340 or family member

01:43:32.860 who died

01:43:33.260 and now you're down

01:43:34.220 we can tell

01:43:35.460 that that is not

01:43:36.040 a medicalization

01:43:36.780 of your problem

01:43:37.860 you had a stimulus

01:43:38.800 you've responded

01:43:39.360 to the stimulus

01:43:39.920 in what we would

01:43:40.780 consider a normal way

01:43:41.680 if you had

01:43:43.040 gotten suicidal

01:43:43.700 over that person

01:43:44.720 that would assume

01:43:45.560 that there was

01:43:45.940 probably some

01:43:46.540 underlying problem

01:43:47.560 with you

01:43:48.020 that has now

01:43:48.500 been triggered

01:43:48.960 by this existential

01:43:50.020 stimulus

01:43:50.120 but that problem

01:43:51.120 could be

01:43:51.720 yes I agree

01:43:52.620 it could be

01:43:52.960 some problem

01:43:53.380 in other words

01:43:54.400 I'm saying

01:43:55.060 that I don't think

01:43:55.620 that it's a fully

01:43:56.120 subjective

01:43:56.440 there has to be

01:43:58.220 some sort of

01:43:58.880 outside analysis

01:44:00.120 of whether

01:44:00.940 the reaction

01:44:01.620 to a particular stimulus

01:44:02.680 or to your

01:44:03.160 surrounding circumstance

01:44:03.860 the problem

01:44:04.120 is hopelessness

01:44:04.880 this is the problem

01:44:06.160 the problem

01:44:06.520 is a suicidal person

01:44:08.020 we're talking about

01:44:09.360 and that's why

01:44:09.760 I use depression

01:44:10.800 and despair

01:44:11.380 interchangeably

01:44:12.400 because despair

01:44:13.080 is the loss

01:44:14.300 of hope

01:44:14.580 it is the worst

01:44:15.440 thing a person

01:44:16.220 can internally

01:44:16.740 experience is despair

01:44:17.680 which is why

01:44:18.200 it's sort of strange

01:44:19.620 to me

01:44:19.800 people got upset

01:44:20.340 when I compare

01:44:20.820 depression to despair

01:44:21.640 despair is the worst

01:44:23.260 possible thing

01:44:24.080 despair is worse

01:44:25.260 than depression

01:44:25.720 despair is a total

01:44:27.660 loss of hope

01:44:28.340 so someone who's

01:44:29.280 suicidal

01:44:29.640 they have no hope

01:44:30.640 and they see no meaning

01:44:31.440 in their lives

01:44:31.880 and that's why

01:44:32.200 they're suicidal

01:44:32.720 now that's not good

01:44:34.420 we should not accept it

01:44:35.140 we should do

01:44:35.400 everything we can

01:44:35.920 to try to help them

01:44:36.520 but the question is

01:44:38.080 is a lack of hope

01:44:40.640 a medical problem

01:44:42.560 you know

01:44:43.280 is there a good reason

01:44:44.220 for the lack of hope

01:44:44.820 or no

01:44:45.060 well

01:44:46.300 not in my mind

01:44:47.560 I mean really

01:44:47.860 it's a serious question

01:44:49.520 it's a serious question

01:44:50.540 if your entire family

01:44:52.260 is

01:44:52.520 if you're Job

01:44:53.400 and your entire family

01:44:54.260 is struck down

01:44:55.200 and then you are hopeless

01:44:56.280 that's not a medical problem

01:44:57.680 if however

01:44:58.220 you wake up in the morning

01:44:58.880 you have a good job

01:44:59.520 you're married

01:44:59.860 and you have two kids

01:45:00.620 and you wake up hopeless

01:45:01.520 that's probably

01:45:02.380 a medical problem

01:45:02.900 that's a philosophical question

01:45:04.060 that's probably

01:45:04.280 a medical problem

01:45:04.820 you know

01:45:05.160 providentially though

01:45:06.360 providentially

01:45:06.880 I was reading Job today

01:45:08.020 this is the way

01:45:09.820 the world works I guess

01:45:10.640 and there is this issue

01:45:12.740 Job remains faithful

01:45:13.880 to God

01:45:14.340 right

01:45:14.600 at least you know

01:45:15.520 most of the book

01:45:16.180 he's quite cheery

01:45:17.560 in the face of his entire family

01:45:18.900 being wiped out

01:45:19.540 and everything he loves

01:45:20.180 going away

01:45:20.960 if someone

01:45:22.280 loses a loved one

01:45:24.500 and they get down

01:45:25.740 and they're sad

01:45:26.360 and they're despairing

01:45:27.300 and then they become suicidal

01:45:28.780 it might be because

01:45:29.400 there's some problem

01:45:29.980 in their brain

01:45:30.420 it might be because

01:45:31.300 their view of the world

01:45:32.540 is that life is a tale

01:45:33.780 told by an idiot

01:45:34.500 full of sound and fury

01:45:35.300 signifying nothing

01:45:36.080 and that is not

01:45:37.260 a chemical problem

01:45:38.640 though there might be

01:45:39.820 some chemical effect

01:45:40.500 of it

01:45:40.640 that's a philosophical problem

01:45:42.060 it's a theological problem

01:45:43.160 it's a mis-

01:45:43.500 I believe that I

01:45:44.440 I believe that I had

01:45:45.300 I believe that I went

01:45:47.240 through mental illness

01:45:48.000 for a moment

01:45:48.540 at age 38

01:45:49.560 and I'm using that word

01:45:53.000 loosely but also acutely

01:45:54.440 the worst thing

01:45:55.340 I've ever gone through

01:45:56.020 I had a thought

01:45:57.120 in my mind

01:45:57.880 and I could not

01:45:59.340 separate myself

01:46:00.500 from the thought

01:46:01.220 or of the consequences

01:46:02.520 of the thought

01:46:03.120 the thought dominated

01:46:04.500 everything

01:46:04.860 it was only a thought

01:46:05.980 it was only a thought

01:46:07.620 it was a thought

01:46:08.480 that risked

01:46:09.400 burning my marriage

01:46:10.040 to the ground

01:46:10.500 it's a thought

01:46:11.300 that left unchecked

01:46:12.900 could have burned

01:46:13.300 my life to the ground

01:46:14.520 could have burned

01:46:14.860 this business to the ground

01:46:15.800 it was only a thought

01:46:16.960 but it was also

01:46:17.880 chemicals in my brain

01:46:18.820 I could feel

01:46:19.640 like when you were

01:46:20.180 a teenager

01:46:20.620 and you started

01:46:21.160 having hormones

01:46:21.640 for the first time

01:46:22.280 I could feel

01:46:22.900 the wave

01:46:23.680 of the chemical

01:46:24.280 when it would come

01:46:25.180 over me

01:46:25.700 in response to the thought

01:46:26.760 and like a wash

01:46:28.660 that would wash

01:46:29.180 across my brain

01:46:30.540 and change how I saw

01:46:32.420 the world from that

01:46:33.080 moment forward

01:46:33.620 now all mental illnesses

01:46:35.120 are not the same

01:46:35.740 it was not schizophrenia

01:46:36.640 it was not

01:46:37.720 I'm not

01:46:39.160 I don't want to be

01:46:39.720 overly simplistic

01:46:40.620 in how we talk

01:46:41.120 about these things

01:46:41.580 I am using

01:46:42.620 the language mental illness

01:46:43.820 you may be right

01:46:44.420 that that's a bad

01:46:44.900 use of language

01:46:45.440 but whatever we're

01:46:46.780 talking about

01:46:47.220 we know that

01:46:47.620 they're a different thing

01:46:48.280 we're talking about

01:46:48.880 a wide range

01:46:49.600 of possible phenomena

01:46:51.320 by the way

01:46:51.980 just on this point

01:46:52.640 I mean you compare it

01:46:53.540 to a teenager

01:46:54.540 let's say teenager

01:46:55.280 experiences love

01:46:56.080 for the first time

01:46:56.560 and he says

01:46:57.280 oh I have heartache

01:46:58.180 he's describing

01:46:59.020 an actual physical

01:47:00.700 phenomenon going on

01:47:01.820 and this was a physical

01:47:02.860 phenomenon as much

01:47:03.620 as anything

01:47:03.820 but it was also

01:47:04.600 just a thought

01:47:05.260 and I believe

01:47:05.940 that I was miraculously

01:47:06.860 healed as well

01:47:07.560 from that thought

01:47:08.400 which could have

01:47:09.240 which had power

01:47:10.500 over me

01:47:10.800 and this is where

01:47:11.620 the spiritual question

01:47:12.820 which is more important

01:47:13.700 to me than the

01:47:14.200 diagnostic question

01:47:15.040 it is more important

01:47:15.960 to me even than

01:47:16.520 the treatment question

01:47:17.300 it's the underlying

01:47:18.520 spiritual question

01:47:19.760 and in the underlying

01:47:22.360 spiritual question

01:47:23.440 there is a belief

01:47:25.780 in Christianity

01:47:27.120 about being born

01:47:28.900 into sin

01:47:29.480 that Adam was made

01:47:31.020 in the image of God

01:47:31.760 according to Genesis

01:47:32.540 but according to Genesis 5

01:47:33.780 Seth was born

01:47:35.040 in the image of Adam

01:47:35.960 and that

01:47:36.700 man born in the image

01:47:38.960 of Adam

01:47:39.440 has carried with him

01:47:40.360 not even the possibility

01:47:43.100 no act of free will

01:47:44.760 could result in a righteous life

01:47:46.160 a righteousness

01:47:47.240 is not attainable

01:47:48.920 in the Christian view

01:47:50.360 by a man

01:47:51.240 by saying that

01:47:52.900 we are acknowledging

01:47:53.780 that something

01:47:55.500 can exist

01:47:56.620 that we cannot

01:47:58.120 overcome

01:47:58.740 that you do not

01:48:01.180 sin

01:48:01.680 just because

01:48:03.020 you want to sin

01:48:03.700 Paul says

01:48:04.380 the things I don't

01:48:05.600 want to do

01:48:06.000 I do all the times

01:48:06.820 the thing that I want

01:48:08.160 to do

01:48:08.400 I scarcely ever do

01:48:09.360 that implies

01:48:10.220 that there is a limit

01:48:11.000 to what free will is

01:48:12.220 that we cannot

01:48:13.360 think our way

01:48:14.200 into perfect health

01:48:15.000 if sin is the root cause

01:48:17.040 of all corruption

01:48:17.880 and therefore

01:48:18.740 not your sin

01:48:19.960 is the reason

01:48:20.300 you have cancer

01:48:20.940 but sin is the reason

01:48:22.040 there is cancer

01:48:22.600 that is an important

01:48:23.420 distinction

01:48:23.780 I am not saying

01:48:24.320 you have a mental

01:48:25.200 illness because

01:48:25.800 of your sin

01:48:26.380 but mental illness

01:48:27.280 is the result

01:48:27.840 of sin

01:48:28.200 in this way

01:48:29.300 of thinking

01:48:30.100 writ large

01:48:30.580 across humanity

01:48:31.240 so there is corruption

01:48:33.640 there are kids

01:48:34.100 born with four fingers

01:48:34.980 there are kids

01:48:36.020 born with a hole

01:48:37.140 in their heart

01:48:37.640 there are kids

01:48:38.340 born addicted

01:48:38.960 to drugs

01:48:39.460 they never chose

01:48:40.060 to do drugs

01:48:40.580 they are born

01:48:41.020 addicted to drugs

01:48:42.180 there are undoubtedly

01:48:43.680 kids who are born

01:48:44.500 with at a minimum

01:48:45.840 not solving all the

01:48:47.820 answers of the cosmos

01:48:48.640 here

01:48:48.920 with a proclivity

01:48:52.200 toward depression

01:48:54.260 proclivity toward

01:48:55.960 homosexuality

01:48:57.760 are kids born gay

01:48:58.620 I don't know

01:48:59.120 but there are

01:48:59.800 certainly kids

01:49:00.360 for whom that

01:49:00.900 struggle is different

01:49:02.260 and there are people

01:49:03.280 who have sex

01:49:03.840 with other men

01:49:04.400 in prison

01:49:04.800 or on ships

01:49:05.400 and that was not

01:49:06.640 in any way biological

01:49:07.700 it's biological

01:49:08.900 but it's not

01:49:09.760 that form of biological

01:49:10.800 mostly convenient

01:49:11.480 yeah

01:49:11.820 right

01:49:12.200 all of this range

01:49:13.820 of messiness

01:49:14.320 exists in the human

01:49:15.300 condition

01:49:15.740 and so when we

01:49:16.800 talk about the

01:49:17.460 spiritual underpinning

01:49:18.600 of this thing

01:49:19.120 I'm not suggesting

01:49:20.500 that it is

01:49:21.380 exclusively a spiritual

01:49:22.560 problem that can be

01:49:23.220 exclusively solved

01:49:24.080 by spiritual means

01:49:25.200 I don't think even

01:49:25.800 Matt that you're

01:49:26.340 saying that

01:49:26.780 I'm not saying

01:49:27.560 that every problem

01:49:28.320 is a thought

01:49:28.820 that you can think

01:49:29.480 your way out of

01:49:30.520 I am saying though

01:49:31.340 that because the mind

01:49:33.120 lives between the spirit

01:49:34.380 and the brain

01:49:35.200 the corruption can flow

01:49:36.600 both directions

01:49:37.360 and sometimes

01:49:38.400 something that may

01:49:39.000 have started as a thought

01:49:40.000 may have moved over

01:49:42.180 into corruption

01:49:42.720 in my brain

01:49:43.320 and I may even need

01:49:44.420 brain treatment

01:49:45.160 to even help

01:49:46.380 myself get out

01:49:47.120 from my

01:49:47.360 less than

01:49:48.200 I might need

01:49:48.860 brain treatment

01:49:49.460 in the form

01:49:51.000 of a drug

01:49:51.460 to even help

01:49:52.520 right me enough

01:49:54.060 to even be able

01:49:55.200 to deal with these

01:49:55.820 thoughts and get back

01:49:56.440 to this other problem

01:49:57.020 or vice versa

01:49:57.960 maybe at every level

01:49:58.820 it may be at every level

01:49:59.900 it depends on

01:50:00.660 what perspective

01:50:01.760 you have

01:50:02.140 from God's perspective

01:50:03.100 it all may be

01:50:04.560 demons taking you over

01:50:06.100 you know

01:50:06.360 from our perspective

01:50:07.380 obviously

01:50:08.000 the tools that we have

01:50:09.220 are drugs and physicality

01:50:10.360 and all this

01:50:11.040 these things

01:50:11.500 you know

01:50:11.860 I often wonder

01:50:12.800 with schizophrenics

01:50:13.720 who hear

01:50:14.440 like a demon

01:50:15.240 in their mind

01:50:15.880 telling them

01:50:16.320 to do something awful

01:50:17.180 I often wonder

01:50:18.060 like maybe

01:50:19.440 there's also

01:50:19.920 maybe they should be

01:50:21.460 drugged to get rid

01:50:22.320 of their schizophrenia

01:50:22.900 but maybe their

01:50:23.740 schizophrenia is allowing

01:50:24.520 there are demons

01:50:25.680 right there angels

01:50:26.420 you've made the point

01:50:27.280 before

01:50:27.540 no one ever hears

01:50:28.240 voices telling them

01:50:29.180 to do something

01:50:29.860 good job buddy

01:50:32.100 I think

01:50:32.660 I agree with you

01:50:33.940 that it's not

01:50:34.340 exclusively spiritual

01:50:35.280 but I do think

01:50:36.260 it's fundamentally

01:50:36.880 spiritual

01:50:37.340 because to go to

01:50:38.040 Ben's question

01:50:38.660 before about

01:50:39.340 you know

01:50:39.980 we're talking about

01:50:40.440 someone who's hopeless

01:50:41.200 and they're suicidal

01:50:42.240 and you said

01:50:43.000 you asked

01:50:43.700 well is there a reason

01:50:44.740 for him to be hopeless

01:50:45.480 and my answer to that

01:50:47.580 is no

01:50:48.060 there's no reason

01:50:48.600 for anyone to be hopeless

01:50:49.420 but that is a

01:50:50.460 fundamentally religious

01:50:51.940 answer that I'm giving

01:50:52.920 and there's no way

01:50:55.500 to separate that

01:50:56.100 because you could have

01:50:57.260 a philosophical

01:50:57.980 view of life

01:51:00.540 which is fundamentally

01:51:02.000 hopeless

01:51:02.560 and there are many

01:51:03.780 philosophers who

01:51:04.460 argue that basically

01:51:05.800 there's no hope

01:51:06.680 there's no meaning

01:51:07.160 to life

01:51:07.520 I think that's incorrect

01:51:09.260 I think it's damaging

01:51:10.280 I think it's horrible

01:51:10.960 I think it's ugly

01:51:11.560 I think that people

01:51:12.200 that suffer from that

01:51:13.120 we have to help them

01:51:13.880 but it's not medical

01:51:15.640 that's not a medical

01:51:16.760 but I do think

01:51:18.120 that there are distinctions

01:51:18.860 even here

01:51:19.920 between questions

01:51:21.200 that we ask

01:51:21.780 that are within

01:51:22.140 the realm of rationality

01:51:23.160 and ones that we ask

01:51:24.140 that are not

01:51:24.780 if somebody is suicidal

01:51:25.760 because they didn't

01:51:27.100 get enough

01:51:28.160 P's in their alphabet soup

01:51:30.020 that's fundamentally

01:51:30.680 different from

01:51:31.300 somebody is deciding

01:51:32.240 that they're suicidal

01:51:32.880 because life is meaningless

01:51:33.860 and there's no hope

01:51:34.520 in the universe

01:51:35.020 I would push back

01:51:36.920 only

01:51:37.240 I'm going to push back

01:51:38.620 and then pull

01:51:39.000 my push is

01:51:39.920 at the end of the day

01:51:41.000 my guess is that

01:51:41.700 the person who feels

01:51:42.360 suicidal because of the P's

01:51:43.840 also has a thought problem

01:51:45.340 it may not be the thought

01:51:46.480 of loss

01:51:47.060 like Job's thought

01:51:48.040 it may be a thought

01:51:48.960 of narcissism

01:51:49.700 it may be a false

01:51:50.700 expectation of what

01:51:51.480 the world can provide

01:51:52.160 there are thoughts

01:51:52.980 related to that

01:51:53.580 that are wrong

01:51:53.900 but here's my pull

01:51:55.340 my pull is also

01:51:56.920 that there is likely

01:51:57.720 something that we can

01:51:58.480 measure in their brain

01:51:59.320 and treat medically

01:52:00.240 that may also be wrong

01:52:01.280 and this is why I say

01:52:02.420 that's always

01:52:03.760 that's true

01:52:05.060 if your wife leads you

01:52:05.800 that's right

01:52:06.780 but this is the ultimate

01:52:07.800 thing that I'm driving at

01:52:09.340 which is to say

01:52:09.980 I agree with Matt

01:52:11.780 that it is fundamentally

01:52:13.180 a question

01:52:13.820 a spiritual question

01:52:14.980 in the way that

01:52:15.920 all questions

01:52:16.560 are fundamentally

01:52:17.100 spiritual questions

01:52:18.000 but that doesn't mean

01:52:19.120 in a very practical sense

01:52:20.580 that our only tools

01:52:21.860 are spiritual tools

01:52:23.220 because just like

01:52:24.880 I say

01:52:25.580 Paul says

01:52:26.600 the things I don't

01:52:27.140 want to do

01:52:27.480 I do

01:52:27.960 the answer

01:52:29.020 isn't try harder

01:52:30.060 that isn't even

01:52:31.740 the spiritual answer

01:52:32.660 is not try harder

01:52:33.920 sometimes as conservatives

01:52:36.280 we speak in

01:52:36.980 certain kinds of absolutes

01:52:38.360 and I think

01:52:38.940 they're the correct absolutes

01:52:40.140 to order a society

01:52:41.160 free will

01:52:42.400 as a concept

01:52:44.400 to order society around

01:52:45.680 is a far better concept

01:52:47.000 than determinism

01:52:47.860 to order a society around

01:52:49.420 but free will

01:52:50.540 which is impossible

01:52:51.240 which is impossible

01:52:51.880 but free will

01:52:52.820 isn't a complete answer

01:52:54.700 it's a framework

01:52:56.160 with which we can

01:52:57.240 build around

01:52:57.700 reality is often messier

01:52:59.620 even a spiritual problem

01:53:01.460 that as I said

01:53:03.100 cancer is the result

01:53:04.040 of sin

01:53:04.440 that doesn't mean

01:53:05.100 your cancer

01:53:05.740 is the result

01:53:06.100 of your sin

01:53:07.380 we live in this

01:53:08.280 corrupted world

01:53:09.140 and in this corrupted world

01:53:11.000 we sometimes bear

01:53:12.140 consequences for things

01:53:13.260 that we didn't do

01:53:14.160 again the child born

01:53:15.200 addicted to drugs

01:53:16.380 did nothing

01:53:16.980 they are still

01:53:18.300 addicted to drugs

01:53:18.960 the answer to their

01:53:19.780 addiction isn't the same

01:53:20.940 as the answer

01:53:21.880 to your teenage buddy

01:53:23.880 who's starting

01:53:24.360 to experiment

01:53:25.580 with drugs

01:53:25.980 your answer to him

01:53:26.720 is going to be

01:53:27.380 a very whip cracking

01:53:28.400 cut that crap out

01:53:29.800 answer

01:53:30.160 that's no answer

01:53:31.600 to a baby

01:53:32.880 but I would say

01:53:33.280 that the problem

01:53:33.720 of the two people

01:53:34.600 is fundamentally different

01:53:35.420 the child's not

01:53:36.040 experiencing a spiritual

01:53:36.740 problem

01:53:37.060 the child's experiencing

01:53:37.780 a physical problem

01:53:38.260 I'm saying in the

01:53:39.160 final analysis

01:53:39.900 the child is dealing

01:53:41.300 with a spiritual problem

01:53:42.260 but not an individual

01:53:43.640 spiritual problem

01:53:44.180 not an individual

01:53:45.500 spiritual problem

01:53:46.140 this is a fundamental

01:53:50.120 distinction

01:53:50.520 that I think

01:53:50.920 we ought to keep

01:53:51.260 in mind

01:53:51.580 so if you go

01:53:52.160 all the way

01:53:52.420 back to Emile Durkheim

01:53:53.260 who was the first

01:53:54.220 person to write

01:53:55.640 very seriously

01:53:56.380 about suicide

01:53:57.040 writing the 1870s

01:53:58.400 wrote a book

01:53:58.700 called On Suicide

01:53:59.480 in which he looked

01:54:00.140 at comparative

01:54:00.560 suicide statistics

01:54:01.520 across countries

01:54:02.220 and across cultures

01:54:02.980 and he talked

01:54:04.080 about why it was

01:54:04.820 that he thought

01:54:05.180 that there were

01:54:05.480 certain cultures

01:54:06.040 that were more

01:54:06.460 prone to suicide

01:54:07.020 and why certain

01:54:07.680 cultures were less

01:54:08.300 prone to suicide

01:54:08.940 and all of this

01:54:10.400 all of that is well

01:54:11.640 worth discussing

01:54:12.140 because there are

01:54:12.620 certain societies

01:54:13.140 that are just

01:54:13.580 sicker than others

01:54:14.200 there are certain

01:54:15.000 societies that just

01:54:16.260 have more social

01:54:16.900 problems than others

01:54:17.560 that breed a

01:54:19.200 spiritual malaise

01:54:20.220 there's no question

01:54:21.160 that that's true

01:54:21.720 it is also true

01:54:22.660 that to try and

01:54:23.920 apply that to an

01:54:24.760 individual inherently

01:54:26.840 to say that every

01:54:27.780 individual who is

01:54:28.700 suffering from

01:54:29.560 depression is doing

01:54:30.960 so because of this

01:54:32.080 suicidal thing

01:54:32.960 because of this

01:54:33.820 broader social

01:54:35.020 problem

01:54:35.500 it's almost like

01:54:37.320 the mistake that

01:54:37.940 people make by

01:54:38.480 saying that

01:54:39.420 bad things happen

01:54:41.960 to bad people

01:54:42.740 so therefore

01:54:44.160 if something bad

01:54:45.460 happened to you

01:54:45.760 it's because you

01:54:46.280 did a bad thing

01:54:46.900 that's right

01:54:47.220 there's a fundamental

01:54:48.120 religious belief

01:54:48.940 that if you do

01:54:50.860 the right things

01:54:51.360 the rain falls on the

01:54:51.580 unjust alike

01:54:52.120 but there's a

01:54:53.440 fundamental spiritual

01:54:54.080 belief that

01:54:54.640 at a general level

01:54:55.740 if you do good

01:54:56.480 things your life

01:54:57.140 will be better for

01:54:57.760 it

01:54:57.900 but we all know

01:54:58.460 people for whom

01:54:59.000 that's not true

01:54:59.580 and that means

01:55:00.480 that when you look

01:55:00.920 at the individual

01:55:01.360 you can't say to

01:55:02.020 that individual

01:55:02.500 the reason your

01:55:02.980 life sucks is

01:55:03.460 because you made

01:55:03.900 bad decisions

01:55:04.460 maybe that's not

01:55:05.400 true

01:55:05.640 the same thing to

01:55:06.820 me is true

01:55:07.300 when we get to

01:55:08.020 things like mental

01:55:08.720 illnesses and

01:55:09.360 depression and

01:55:10.120 disorders

01:55:10.860 yes it is true

01:55:12.140 that our society

01:55:12.920 has bred depression

01:55:13.820 there's no question

01:55:14.860 we've gotten rid

01:55:15.520 of fundamental

01:55:16.000 societal institutions

01:55:17.000 this breeds depression

01:55:18.080 we have known

01:55:18.780 about this again

01:55:19.340 for 150 years

01:55:20.520 this is nothing new

01:55:21.420 Durkheim called it

01:55:22.900 the problem of

01:55:24.280 enemy

01:55:24.540 the idea that

01:55:25.320 spelled A-N-O-M-I-E

01:55:27.120 the idea was

01:55:27.940 that people are

01:55:28.840 reliant on the

01:55:29.360 fundamental institutions

01:55:30.220 around them

01:55:30.620 when there's sea

01:55:31.040 changes to those

01:55:31.720 institutions

01:55:32.220 people fall into

01:55:33.200 despair and confusion

01:55:34.160 and they can't

01:55:35.120 sort of find

01:55:37.280 their center again

01:55:38.020 this has been

01:55:39.240 happening throughout

01:55:39.860 society particularly

01:55:41.080 in the west

01:55:41.520 for 150 years

01:55:42.700 with that said

01:55:44.520 I think the reason

01:55:45.060 that you drove

01:55:45.780 a lot of outrage

01:55:46.320 is because what

01:55:46.760 people did is

01:55:47.240 then they applied

01:55:47.680 it to the individual

01:55:48.280 they made the

01:55:49.380 mistake that

01:55:49.760 religious people

01:55:50.240 sometimes make

01:55:50.780 of saying

01:55:51.000 well the bad

01:55:51.420 thing happened

01:55:51.780 to you

01:55:51.960 that's because

01:55:52.420 it's a social

01:55:53.000 problem that

01:55:53.480 you have failed

01:55:53.900 to somehow grasp

01:55:54.620 with

01:55:54.880 and for a lot

01:55:55.880 of people

01:55:56.120 that's not true

01:55:56.720 for a lot of

01:55:57.380 people

01:55:57.620 you can say

01:55:59.140 that society

01:55:59.600 has a sickness

01:56:00.120 and you can also

01:56:00.920 say that the

01:56:01.320 individual has

01:56:01.920 OCD

01:56:02.240 or the individual

01:56:03.160 has generalized

01:56:04.020 anxiety disorder

01:56:04.900 and sometimes

01:56:05.540 that may be

01:56:06.040 because of some

01:56:06.520 sort of outside

01:56:07.260 problem

01:56:07.680 and that can be

01:56:08.620 cured by fixing

01:56:09.260 the outside

01:56:09.560 problem

01:56:09.940 such as

01:56:10.520 taking the

01:56:11.020 masks off

01:56:11.440 your kids

01:56:11.760 and letting

01:56:12.020 them go to

01:56:12.380 school

01:56:12.600 and leave

01:56:12.860 them the hell

01:56:13.160 alone

01:56:13.440 and sometimes

01:56:14.340 the kid

01:56:14.960 just has OCD

01:56:15.900 sometimes the

01:56:16.740 kid just has

01:56:17.360 general anxiety

01:56:18.000 disorder

01:56:18.320 sometimes the

01:56:19.000 material corrupts

01:56:20.660 the spiritual

01:56:21.080 sometimes the

01:56:21.900 spiritual corrupts

01:56:22.560 them

01:56:22.580 it would be nice

01:56:23.080 if we had

01:56:23.400 psychiatrists

01:56:23.980 who looked at

01:56:24.460 people as

01:56:24.880 whole things

01:56:25.860 instead of

01:56:26.480 as meat

01:56:28.060 puppets

01:56:28.440 the consequence

01:56:30.240 of this

01:56:30.980 is that

01:56:31.540 talk about

01:56:32.880 the outrage

01:56:33.340 that came

01:56:33.780 my way

01:56:34.300 is that

01:56:34.880 we're dealing

01:56:36.640 with these

01:56:37.060 really big

01:56:38.140 complicated

01:56:38.880 problems

01:56:39.420 like despair

01:56:40.200 suffering

01:56:40.780 the human

01:56:41.180 mind

01:56:41.520 and we

01:56:42.620 can't even

01:56:43.140 talk about

01:56:43.900 these problems

01:56:44.500 anymore

01:56:44.840 like the

01:56:45.520 conversation

01:56:45.960 in our

01:56:46.500 society

01:56:46.880 is over

01:56:47.560 about

01:56:48.120 human

01:56:48.780 suffering

01:56:49.260 and

01:56:49.620 consciousness

01:56:50.040 and despair

01:56:50.920 because we've

01:56:51.980 decided that

01:56:52.440 it's medicalized

01:56:53.180 and there's no

01:56:53.700 room to even

01:56:54.240 discuss it

01:56:54.860 and because of

01:56:55.720 identity

01:56:56.100 because when

01:56:56.940 you make

01:56:57.240 your identity

01:56:57.720 something other

01:56:58.460 than God

01:56:59.460 you now can't

01:57:01.540 wrestle with those

01:57:02.100 ideas anymore

01:57:02.900 without it being

01:57:03.760 an absolute

01:57:04.260 attack on

01:57:04.880 your actual

01:57:05.580 it's also

01:57:06.220 because what

01:57:06.640 people are doing

01:57:07.120 is they're doing

01:57:07.480 the mistake

01:57:07.860 that I talked

01:57:08.340 about earlier

01:57:08.740 in reverse

01:57:09.120 so if the idea

01:57:10.560 is on the

01:57:11.960 religious level

01:57:12.540 that good

01:57:13.700 things happen

01:57:14.060 to good people

01:57:14.380 bad things

01:57:14.760 happen to bad

01:57:15.140 people

01:57:15.300 but there are

01:57:15.660 exceptions

01:57:16.040 then the reverse

01:57:17.840 is for a lot

01:57:19.320 of people

01:57:19.600 if I'm suffering

01:57:20.640 from depression

01:57:21.180 and it's not

01:57:21.740 my fault

01:57:22.280 therefore all

01:57:23.600 depression in

01:57:24.120 society is

01:57:24.600 nobody's fault

01:57:25.200 and that's

01:57:26.960 also a mistake

01:57:27.480 there's a mistake

01:57:28.720 of individualizing

01:57:29.500 the general

01:57:29.860 and there's a

01:57:30.260 mistake of

01:57:30.640 generalizing the

01:57:31.260 individual

01:57:31.620 that's right

01:57:32.200 yeah

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