The Michael Knowles Show - December 29, 2021


DEBUNK Hilarious Pro-Choice TikToks PART 3 ｜ Viewer Request!

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Michael Knowles
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Length

8 minutes

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200.63

Word count

1,774

Sentence count

125

Harmful content

Misogyny

16

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Toxicity

11

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Hate speech

15

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In this episode, I talk about the logic behind the pro-choice argument for abortion, and why I don't care about the opinions of people who have a perverse view of society, and how we should deal with them.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 A viewer to this show sent in three viral TikTok videos that some very confused little chickadee had 1.00
00:00:07.600 made making arguments for abortion. And she said, Michael, please, I implore you, please destroy
00:00:14.200 these arguments with facts and logic. We have already gone through the first two. We will get
00:00:18.380 to the third video right now. First things first, please don't wear my shirt. I had to go to a
00:00:22.060 Halloween school thing and I was lazy, so I went as a strawberry. Just let it happen. I've been
00:00:26.140 getting a lot of comments from men on my pro-choice videos saying that they're totally fine with a
00:00:29.940 woman's right to terminate if her health is at risk or her body is in jeopardy. But I don't think
00:00:35.080 that these misogynists realize. Okay, take a pause real quick. You'll often hear this. Well, I oppose
00:00:39.360 abortion except for cases of rape, incest, or a risk to the life of the mother. Now, the logic here
00:00:44.420 doesn't make a lot of sense. Obviously, rape is a heinous crime. It's one of the most heinous crimes
00:00:47.280 there is. Incest too. But if the logic of abortion is either the baby's a baby or the baby is not a
00:00:53.700 baby, then the method of conception doesn't really matter to the rights of the baby. Obviously, there
00:00:59.660 can be heinous crimes involved, but we're still talking about is the baby a baby or is the baby 0.94
00:01:03.720 not a baby and is it okay to kill babies? Then when you get to the question of the risk to the
00:01:08.500 life of the mother, this basically does not exist. There is no complication or disease or ailment
00:01:15.700 for which the cure is an abortion. There are ailments that women can have and complications and diseases and 0.99
00:01:23.720 whatever, where treating that ailment will result, will almost certainly result in the death of the
00:01:30.440 baby. But this is different than saying that abortion is the cure and you should have an abortion
00:01:35.920 as the cure. A way to understand this is the law of double effect, the idea that I can intend to do
00:01:42.940 something and something else may result from that, but that is not the intended effect. That's a double
00:01:48.300 effect. That would be the case in abortions for the life of the mother. If a pregnant woman has an 1.00
00:01:55.660 advanced cancer and she undergoes radiation or chemotherapy for that cancer and that treatment
00:02:00.820 results in the end of her pregnancy, it's not as though she went out to have an abortion to kill the
00:02:06.920 baby to treat the ailment. That was a secondary effect. By the way, rape, incest, risk to the life of
00:02:11.200 the mother account for less than 1% of all abortions. 99% plus are just elective abortions just because
00:02:18.560 a woman wants to kill her kid just because a woman doesn't want to go through having a baby. I don't 0.81
00:02:28.940 really mean to minimize the responsibility that comes with having a baby and the emotions and women 1.00
00:02:33.820 can often feel abandoned. And so I understand the psychological aspect going into it, but please
00:02:38.660 don't pretend to me that it's because of a risk to the life of the mother. That just is not the
00:02:42.880 case. All right, go on. They're openly admitting that the only thing about a woman that they find 0.74
00:02:47.180 valuable is her physical existence and her body, because unless her body is at risk, they don't
00:02:52.880 care about her opinions or her desires, even when those opinions and desires are about the state of
00:02:59.140 her body. Okay, pause. So it's obviously not just about the state of her body. It's in part about the
00:03:03.560 state of her body, but it's primarily about this other body, this other human being. So when this
00:03:08.360 young woman spouts off about abortion, what she is showing is that she doesn't care about the 0.99
00:03:13.900 baby's spiritual or physical existence. And she says, okay, you only care about the mother if
00:03:19.860 the mother's physical health is in jeopardy, but what about her opinions? Well, if they're wrong
00:03:24.700 opinions, then I don't care about them. Any opinion I hold is objectively correct. I know that now we're
00:03:29.360 supposed to believe that women can never be wrong and they can never tell lies and hashtag believe all 0.99
00:03:32.700 women, but women can be wrong. Like this woman, for instance, is quite wrong. And so no, I don't care 1.00
00:03:37.820 about her opinion. I don't think that her stupid opinion should be respected. Just like I don't 1.00
00:03:42.560 think that the opinions of Jeffrey Dahmer should be respected. Just like I don't think the opinions
00:03:46.280 of ignorant people or people who have a perverse view of society and politics should be respected 0.88
00:03:53.420 either. That's what we do here. In self-government, we use our faculties of reason and moral conscience 0.99
00:04:00.120 to form a vision of the world and of justice and of good and of evil. And then we come together
00:04:05.120 and we make laws about that. We make laws about how we want to live. That's why we have laws against
00:04:08.660 murder. And I don't care if someone doesn't share my view on murder. I don't, I don't respect their
00:04:13.680 opinion if they are pro murder. And I think that would be an apt analogy in this case. Okay, go on.
00:04:19.120 Women do not have to be in danger to be valuable. And every single pregnancy poses health risks. 0.94
00:04:25.780 And women have every right to decide whether or not they want to take those risks and endure 1.00
00:04:32.280 those risks. No, they don't. I mean, so first of all, in 99% plus of cases, the woman is making 0.98
00:04:42.520 that risk calculation when she decides to have sex. What happens when you have sex? Well, 0.54
00:04:46.280 the point of sex is to have a baby. Marriage is about procreation. Okay. And sometimes women 1.00
00:04:50.780 and men try to go to extremes to not have a baby, but sometimes that happens anyway. Well,
00:04:55.500 you've already made that risk. But furthermore, even in those really extreme fringe, awful cases of
00:05:00.980 rape, incest, you know, whatever, you know, where a woman's bodily autonomy was not, was not the 0.81
00:05:06.980 primary focus. But yeah, you're, what you're describing is a crime. What you're describing
00:05:10.920 is suffering. Just like if someone trips and falls, just like if someone comes down with a
00:05:15.420 terrible disease, just like if, just like if someone suffers a misfortune as you would if a
00:05:19.680 crime were perpetrated against you. Not everything will come down to your will and your desire because
00:05:25.700 this is an imperfect world and our wills and our desires are not always rightly ordered. And
00:05:30.580 they're certainly not always right, respected. You're doomed. And so that's what we're seeing
00:05:35.940 here. And the question is, if you suffer some kind of misfortune, does that give you the right to
00:05:40.480 kill a baby? And this woman's taking it even further. She goes, if something happens and then 1.00
00:05:45.400 I come to regret, you know, I took a risk and then the risk didn't work out for how I was hoping it 0.92
00:05:50.020 would, do I then have the right to kill my baby? And the answer obviously is no. So you guys need to 0.72
00:05:57.020 f***ing learn that a woman doesn't have to be threatened in order for her opinions to matter. 0.97
00:06:02.620 Okay. Well, you know, she's very confused. She's a young woman. She's very confused. I'll tell you, 0.99
00:06:06.320 when I was young, I supported abortion. When I was a teenager, I don't know. I obviously hadn't
00:06:11.020 thought very much about it in my life. And I was from a very liberal place. And I don't think I knew
00:06:15.980 a single pro-life person. And it was so pervasive in the culture and in the classrooms and on TV and in
00:06:23.160 the movies and in the newspapers that I just assumed that everyone supported abortion. I
00:06:27.460 just assumed that all those knuckle dragging pro-lifers, they just hated women. I mean, 0.97
00:06:30.620 I shared many of the prejudices that this woman seems to exhibit. But then I thought about the 0.99
00:06:37.860 issue. No, you can't do that. Then I spoke to, I was actually a woman bioethicist who convinced me
00:06:44.520 that many of my arguments, all of my arguments fell completely flat. I was making arguments that would
00:06:48.900 be the same sort of argument for, as she did, killing a bunch of orphans. I was making arguments 0.98
00:06:53.020 that didn't make sense in the real world. And so I say in a spirit of love and charity, I hope that
00:06:58.260 whoever this young woman is takes a look at this video. And I hope that people who are on the fence
00:07:02.440 about this, who are trying to work their way through abortion and pro-life and a culture of death and a
00:07:06.860 culture of life, look at these issues as they are. And they don't fall into glib, you know, slogans.
00:07:12.860 My body, my choice. Women's health. F you. F this. You know, that you could see at the end, 1.00
00:07:16.600 because the woman can't figure out her own ideas because she can't make an argument. 1.00
00:07:21.440 She just starts using vulgar language and yelling and this kind of emotional insinuation. But just 0.97
00:07:25.820 look at the issue as it is. Look at the baby as he is. We have medical technology now that will allow
00:07:30.180 us to do that. Do you really believe that you have the right to kill that baby? That's really what the 0.97
00:07:37.360 question comes down to. And it's why all of the people who are making these kinds of arguments do
00:07:42.140 everything they can to dance around the central fact. There it is. Three viral videos. One very
00:07:48.560 confused chickadee. Not a single good argument for abortion made. I want to thank Maddie for sending in 1.00
00:07:55.140 those three videos. I'm happy to be able to smack them all down. If you have any videos that you've
00:08:02.680 come across that you think are making really weak arguments, but you're not quite sure where the
00:08:07.000 problem is, please send them in and we will see you next time.
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