The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1038 - California Bribes People With Taxes & Abortion

00:00:00.000 In 2020, 650,000 people moved out of California, including myself. Last year, another nearly 700,000

00:00:10.240 people moved out of California. Since 2010, about 8 million people have moved out of California to

00:00:17.920 freer pastures. Many, many more people than have moved into California from other places.

00:00:24.560 The state is hemorrhaging people because of onerous taxes, crippling regulations,

00:00:31.020 rampant crime, and streets lined with needles and human excrement. But Governor Patrick Bateman, 0.73

00:00:38.020 American psycho himself, has figured out a way to lure people back to the Golden State, 1.00

00:00:43.360 and that is to let them kill their babies. That'll do it, right? This week, California state legislators 1.00

00:00:52.400 advanced an amendment to enshrine a license to contraception and abortion in the state

00:00:59.260 constitution. Governor Bateman believes this will do it. He says, we want you back. Come back,

00:01:04.580 come back. Come on, please. Here we go. We're going to be the land of the free, free, quote unquote,

00:01:09.700 the freedom to kill your babies. In the long run, this is very bad. We don't want babies in California 0.99

00:01:16.720 to be killed any more than we want babies in any other state to be killed. No state, no community

00:01:23.080 has the right to kill little babies, even if every single person in the state votes to legalize it.

00:01:29.240 And that is because abortion is contrary to natural law. I don't think this is even going to achieve what

00:01:36.020 Newsom wants, which is to convince the people to move back to California. But it might convince

00:01:43.460 more liberal Californians to stay in California. In the short term, this might be a political benefit 0.93

00:01:51.620 to avoid packing up their lives and shoving off to the red states in the first place. It may make 0.88

00:01:59.000 inertia even more appealing and keep the libs in California, which in the short run would do the

00:02:04.260 great service of confining the poison of leftist policies. It may slow the spread of epidemic leftism

00:02:11.840 to the rest of the country, but conservatives cannot kick back and rest easy. Conservatives

00:02:17.700 need to take this opportunity that the left is giving us. We are winning. We are winning

00:02:23.220 specifically on the so-called social issues. Now is the time to strengthen our communities,

00:02:29.820 our red states, prove the superiority of our way of life, rally the political troops,

00:02:35.580 and then retake the blue states too. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:02:41.840 Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday is from Jordan Elizabeth, who says,

00:02:52.040 the lady who founded March for Life, Nellie Gray, was born on June 24th too. The so-called

00:02:58.720 coincidences keep on coming. That's amazing. June 24th, the day that Dobbs comes down,

00:03:02.980 the day that Roe is overruled, the day that is the feast of the sacred heart of Jesus,

00:03:06.820 the day on which traditionally would be the nativity of St. John the Baptist who leaps in his mother's

00:03:12.560 womb when Jesus in his mother's womb approaches, a day when there is a five-planet alignment. The 0.70

00:03:18.820 photo of the five-planet alignment taken by a man named Wright Dobbs in all of the newspapers,

00:03:23.140 and now it's also the birthday of the lady who founded March for Life.

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00:05:01.540 to kill little babies is going to be enough to bring all the people who have fled California 1.00

00:05:06.660 back. I don't think it's going to convince someone. How sad is that? How desperate that 0.99

00:05:10.780 that's all they've got. Yeah, I know it's terrible to live here, and I know that we're destroying all

00:05:15.340 of our communities, and I know that we're killing your businesses and taking your rights and stealing 0.98

00:05:19.200 all your money. But hey, we'll let you do the most evil thing I can imagine. You can do that

00:05:24.640 if you want to do that really evil thing. You can do it here. Is that going to do it? I don't think

00:05:30.180 so. And they're making life even worse in California now. San Francisco has just decided

00:05:35.380 to destroy the suburbs. This is such an important story, and the libs are pushing it, especially in

00:05:40.760 San Francisco, but around the country. And there have been fights over this, going back to the Obama

00:05:45.920 administration over whether or not to allow people to keep the suburbs, whether or not to allow nice

00:05:54.120 communities with single family homes and lots, or to get rid of single family zoning and make

00:06:01.400 everything into some big, ugly apartment building so that you can pack more people in and destroy the,

00:06:06.000 to quote Donald Trump, the suburban lifestyle dream. Well, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors

00:06:11.160 just passed this legislation two days ago to eliminate single family zoning. It will now allow 0.84

00:06:18.440 four plexes on every neighborhood lot and six units on corner properties. This builds on something I

00:06:23.860 mentioned at the end of the show yesterday, which is if we want people to be conservative, we need to

00:06:31.520 have people like their homes, like their country. We need to give them a country that is beautiful

00:06:39.420 and lovable and pleasant to be in. This was a point that the late conservative philosopher Roger

00:06:44.860 Scruton made when he actually had a government post in charge of housing in the country in the UK.

00:06:52.680 He said, if you want to make people want to conserve something, you need to give them something worth

00:06:58.400 conserving. The libs do not want us to live in a beautiful place. The libs do not want us to live

00:07:04.000 in a lovable place. They want us to live in some dingy, tiny little apartment where we own nothing

00:07:09.980 and we'll be happy. That's what they want. They want us to be packed in like rats. And the reason

00:07:17.160 for this, I think, gets to their view of humanity. I think that the libs, you'll frequently hear the

00:07:22.960 libs talk about the masses, you know, the unwashed masses, that religion is the opiate of the masses,

00:07:29.080 just masses. Masses of what? Conservatives generally don't talk about the masses. We talk about people

00:07:35.940 because we like people and we view them as individually very important and as working

00:07:41.740 together in a community and having dignity and having worth. And the libs say, no, it's just

00:07:47.240 masses. These masses are creating a problem of overpopulation. We're just going to kill them

00:07:53.360 through abortion or through euthanasia. We're just going to treat them like refuse, like nothing. And then 1.00

00:07:58.060 we're going to cram them into these ugly giant buildings and not give them a beautiful home 0.83

00:08:02.760 where they can thrive in the suburbs or wherever they can find themselves. Now, of course, the libs

00:08:09.460 who are running things, they have their nice single family homes. They just don't want you to have it.

00:08:13.840 They don't want you to have nice places. We're going to pack in all of the underclass in some filthy 1.00

00:08:18.680 tenement. And then I, Nancy Pelosi, I'm going to go live in my mansion outside of San Francisco.

00:08:24.200 I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going to go live in a quadruplex. I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going 0.99

00:08:31.020 to go move into some ugly apartment building. That's just for you. That's just for everybody

00:08:36.440 else. That's not a good way to live. But it ties in with all of the other, it ties in with the social

00:08:44.020 issues. It ties in with the economic issues. They don't want to give people lovable places where

00:08:48.800 they can thrive. Speaking of Nancy Pelosi and reasons not to move to California, there's a scandal 1.00

00:08:53.840 that's just come out with Pelosi, which is that Pelosi just visited the Vatican and apparently got

00:08:59.220 to meet the Pope. And then later at a papal mass, received communion, received the Eucharist.

00:09:06.680 This has been a big political battle because in the Catholic church, to which Nancy Pelosi at least 0.81

00:09:12.720 pretends to adhere, you do not receive the Eucharist if you are in a state of grave mortal sin. And the

00:09:19.840 reason you're not supposed to do that is not just because it causes scandal to everyone else, but

00:09:23.960 because St. Paul says that if you eat the Eucharist unworthily, you are eating your own damnation.

00:09:31.540 So it's not good for you to do that. It's actually a sin to do that. Nancy Pelosi does it anyway. Her 1.00

00:09:37.000 archbishop has a great backbone. His name is Cordileone, means heart of a lion. Archbishop Cordileone says,

00:09:43.320 listen, I'm instructing all the priests in this diocese, do not give the Eucharist to Nancy Pelosi.

00:09:50.600 That's bad for her and it's bad for the flock, which will be led astray. So then she goes to the

00:09:55.160 Vatican and it's unclear. I don't think the Pope himself gave Nancy Pelosi the Eucharist at a papal

00:10:02.120 mass. There are lots and lots of people distributing the host, but she did present herself to receive it.

00:10:07.280 And this is a great scandal. It ties in with another sort of scandal that's come out of the

00:10:13.200 Vatican, which is that the Pope has tried to get rid of the Latin mass. He's really trying to suppress 0.98

00:10:18.100 the Latin mass. And I know for the people listening who are not Catholic, who are not particularly

00:10:22.200 traditional, who maybe aren't Christian at all, maybe they aren't even religious, this story really

00:10:27.360 matters too. I know it doesn't seem like it would if you're not attending the Latin mass or you're not

00:10:32.120 Catholic, but it really does. And it does because of a principle in Christianity that applies to our

00:10:38.500 entire American life. And the principle in Latin is lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi. It means

00:10:46.780 the way that we pray is the way that we believe, is the way that we live. This idea that the way in which

00:10:57.120 we worship God, the way in which we worship anything really, is going to really probably determine the

00:11:04.900 way that we believe, the way that we think about God or whatever we worship, and it's going to affect the

00:11:10.280 way that we live our lives. Because we're incarnate beings, we have bodies and ritual matters, and where we

00:11:17.340 spend our time is where we place value. It's what we think is really meaningful. It's why the liturgy is so

00:11:24.160 important, but it's why the liturgy of the way that we live our lives is so important. If we pray

00:11:30.840 and worship money, then we are going to believe that money is the most important thing, and we're

00:11:37.060 going to live our lives in a very materialist way. If we pray, if we worship sex or pornography or

00:11:45.260 the hookup culture, something like that, we're going to believe that that is the most important thing,

00:11:50.420 that just getting at our sort of animal aggression and instincts and things like that is the most

00:11:57.860 important thing, and we're going to live like animals. Or if we worship God, and specifically

00:12:03.340 if we worship God in a reverent way, in the way that he asks us to in the Bible, then we're going

00:12:08.480 to believe in that way, and we're going to live our lives in that way that's very elevated. You can't

00:12:13.880 ignore it. Even if you think you're an atheist, even if you think you're agnostic, you can't escape that 0.70

00:12:18.900 because you got a body. You got a body, and the way that you use your body, and the way that you

00:12:24.960 spend your time, and the way that you worship, because man is a religious being, and everybody's

00:12:30.820 got to serve somebody, that's going to affect the way that you believe about everything, and it's

00:12:35.180 going to affect every other aspect of your life. When you've got people leading others into scandal,

00:12:41.120 that creates a big public problem. Whether you're Catholic, whether you consider yourself broadly

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00:14:04.600 we sent you. Speaking of religion, really unfortunate story coming out of Hollywood

00:14:09.540 and religion. It's about Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt is a movie star, probably the most popular movie

00:14:16.680 star in the world right now. He has become a voice for Christians. He has become a voice for maybe kind

00:14:26.680 of conservatives, I don't know, or at least non-leftists. He did this because he was at an

00:14:32.420 awards show and he spoke about God and he said, God loves you. There is a God. God loves you and

00:14:38.720 you should have a relationship with God. Something to that effect. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what

00:14:42.040 he said. And it was so refreshing to see because the rest of Hollywood, usually in their speeches,

00:14:47.240 insinuates there is a Moloch. You should sacrifice to Moloch. You should sell your soul to the devil. 0.95

00:14:54.280 And they always say the opposite of what Chris Pratt said. So it was very refreshing to see that.

00:14:58.120 Now Chris Pratt is coming out. He's saying, I'm not a religious person. And it's being reported in a

00:15:04.900 lot of places, but it's a very long interview in Men's Health. And Chris says, look, I'm not really

00:15:12.740 a religious person. I think religion has been oppressive AF for a long time. I don't know how I

00:15:20.980 came to be viewed as this voice of religion. People said that I went to Hillsong Church,

00:15:26.520 which I guess is not down with the rainbow. They're not the most LGBT church in the world.

00:15:32.520 And I've never been to Hillsong Church. And it was just really sort of sad to see. Again,

00:15:39.480 it's such a long interview. I can't even find the exact quote. It's fine though. It doesn't really

00:15:43.480 matter what the exact quote is. It was just really, really sad to see. It was like in the old days of

00:15:50.580 the House Committee on Un-American Activities and Hollywood blacklisting. The Hollywood people

00:15:57.480 would be asked, are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? Which I firmly

00:16:03.180 defend, by the way. I'm perfectly fine blacklisting communists because communists are very bad and 0.97

00:16:08.840 we're subverting our country. Now we've got the opposite. Now we're having, are you now or have you

00:16:14.160 ever been a Christian? And Chris Pratt doesn't disavow God entirely here. He does, but he basically

00:16:20.220 says I'm spiritual, but not religious. It's really, really weak sauce. And I think it's, it's dumb for

00:16:25.560 him to do it because he's trying to thread this needle and remain a big Hollywood star in the 0.78

00:16:30.900 mainstream, but not, not get canceled, but not totally throw away his beliefs. And it's just not,

00:16:36.420 not going to work, man. I mean, I think this is, this is kind of what in the gospels you see spoken of,

00:16:44.040 and what the early Christians saw at a certain point, you're going to have to pick a side.

00:16:50.880 Okay. If you, if you believe in God, if you believe in the truth and you say true things and

00:16:57.180 you stand up for the truth, people are going to hate you for it. And then you're going to have

00:17:00.440 to make a decision. Do you go with the mob or do you stick with the truth? And do you stick with God?

00:17:05.480 And right now, Chris is trying to stand in the middle and he's trying to, he's trying to thread that

00:17:12.260 needle and have, have everything. You can't, you can't do that. You can't have everything. And if

00:17:18.280 the choices are between picking the absolute degenerates in Hollywood and fame, which even

00:17:24.460 for a giant star like Chris Pratt will be fleeting or the truth and God and what is right, it shouldn't

00:17:30.660 be a hard decision. I know that it is in the moment, but it should not be a hard decision. And there,

00:17:35.860 there's a kind of humility with Pratt saying, wait, why am I, I'm just some big, dumb movie star. 0.74

00:17:39.640 Why am I, why are you having me be the voice of religion and theology and faith in America? But 0.91

00:17:45.140 that role has been thrust on him to some degree and he should, he should step up to it. That's sad.

00:17:51.640 It was a disappointing interview and I hope he doesn't do it again. And I, I don't want to be

00:17:55.420 too hard on him, but come on, man, toughen up, toughen up, man. What are you doing?

00:18:00.620 The institutional power is with the libs. Okay. The, the people are with Chris Pratt here. The people

00:18:06.260 are with God. The people are with beautiful places. The people are with normal ways of life.

00:18:11.080 The people are with don't trans the kids. The people are with don't kill babies. The people are

00:18:14.780 with all the normal stuff. And yet the institutional power is all on the opposite side of that. The,

00:18:21.980 the institutional power is pushing extremely fringe views such as transing the kids. It's because the

00:18:29.940 principalities and powers and dominations of this world are on the side of the ruler of this world,

00:18:36.180 who is the devil. Okay. The prince of this world. But, but I don't think that speaks for the majority

00:18:41.440 of people or our best inclinations. And so this is where you get populism from, especially the

00:18:47.700 populism of the last few years. How is it that the people seem normal, but the elites are so crooked

00:18:53.860 and, and wicked and stupid and evil. Well, that's sort of the way it's always been. And so you've 1.00

00:19:00.640 got to kind of pick a side. Now the institutional power is behind Biden. The institutional power is

00:19:07.880 behind the Democrats. No question about that. Yet, when you look at where the money is,

00:19:13.060 and you look at where the smart money is, where the bets are, where the people are,

00:19:16.760 Joe Biden is not only not the favorite to win in 2024, he's not even number two. There's an amazing

00:19:23.500 story right now out of gambling.com, which is sometimes more reliable than public opinion

00:19:28.700 polls because it shows you where people are really willing to put their money, what they really think

00:19:33.080 is going to happen. It's not just a consequence free pie in the sky. They're actually putting a

00:19:38.020 little skin in the game here. And according to gambling.com, the number one favorite to win in 2024

00:19:45.260 is Donald Trump. The number two favorite to win in 2024, the whole presidency, Ron DeSantis.

00:19:53.500 The number three choice, Joe Biden, third favorite. You think this is good news for DeSantis.

00:20:03.440 I'm actually not sure that it is. It means that he's popular. It means that people like him. It

00:20:07.380 means that people think he's a strong candidate and could be president. All of that's true.

00:20:10.780 All of that's true. But I think it might be bad news for DeSantis because I think this is only going

00:20:16.600 to make Donald Trump double down on running. If Trump is looking at this right now and he's saying,

00:20:21.100 hold on, the incumbent president is so weak that not only is he going to lose to me, according to

00:20:26.840 at least this sort of odds making, not only is he going to lose to me, he's going to lose to the

00:20:31.040 other guy too. Okay. Now I'm definitely going to get in, in 2024. It's even more of an incentive for

00:20:38.880 Trump to run because the incumbent is even weaker than he had previously thought. And there's, there's

00:20:44.760 no bench. Kamala Harris is less likable than Biden. Pete Buttigieg is someone that the libs all think

00:20:50.600 is really likable, but he's extremely unlikable and he's glib and he's shallow and he's almost

00:20:56.080 certainly a CIA operative. And he takes four months maternity leave so that he can chest feed his 0.63

00:21:01.580 adopted child or whatever the situation is. He's not, he's in the mainstream of the fringe

00:21:09.020 of the, of the people who are familiar with management consultant, Ivy league educated,

00:21:17.900 socially radical glib people. He's not in the mainstream of the mainstream. So he's not going

00:21:24.220 anywhere. Elizabeth Warren is totally done. Who else? Who do they have? Hillary. I actually don't

00:21:28.360 think Hillary's going to run again. She's going to be busy. Look, Ghislaine Maxwell is about to go to 0.96

00:21:33.620 prison. Hillary's got a few things to take care of before she can think about 2024. So this is more

00:21:39.640 incentive for Trump to run tough, tough on DeSantis, but we'll see there. And there might just be a

00:21:44.160 primary and the guys might get bruised up and that's, that's the way it goes. Republicans have

00:21:49.020 clutched defeat from the jaws of victory before. Right now though, we are winning right now, no matter

00:21:55.120 what happens in 2024, we are winning. You saw it on all those Supreme court decisions on the second

00:22:00.380 amendment. You saw it on religious liberty in schools. You saw it on, uh, obviously the Dobbs

00:22:06.300 decision. You're, you're seeing it right now outside of the court in education. There was a huge win

00:22:13.200 for conservatives in education took place in Arizona. Almost nobody is covering it in Arizona.

00:22:18.960 Right now they have the empowerment scholarship account program. And previously this was a way for a

00:22:26.060 very small number of students to take the federal, the taxpayer money from the state that would go

00:22:30.740 toward their education and spend it in a small number of specialized programs. The, uh, California

00:22:37.640 legislature has, uh, greatly expanded this. Families now can receive over $6,500 per year per child

00:22:47.300 without those same restrictions that you had before. So a whole lot of Arizona students will qualify for

00:22:54.260 this and they can use that money for private schools. Yes. Or for homeschooling or for learning pods.

00:23:02.560 So it's homeschooling with a few other families or for tutoring or for pretty much any other kind of

00:23:09.400 educational, uh, service that will fit their family's needs. This is incredibly good news. This is the silver

00:23:16.000 lining. One of the silver linings that comes out of the storm cloud of COVID during COVID parents saw all

00:23:21.480 the lunacy that their kids were being taught in schools because of distance learning. And they

00:23:26.560 also will, so that obviously pulls them, impels the parents to pull the kids out of school. But then

00:23:32.640 they also realized, wait, we don't need this public school. These public schools have failed our

00:23:35.680 students. The teacher unions are shutting our kids out of schools. They're completely screwing them over

00:23:39.820 just for their own selfish purposes. And so what do we need them for? And it led to a huge rise

00:23:44.920 homeschooling. Now conservatives can capitalize on this. This is a huge win. If we can break the back

00:23:51.960 of the public schooling system, which from the very beginning has been for the benefit of libs going

00:23:57.820 back, not just 10 or 20 years, going back to Horace Mann, it has been to create a leftist consensus

00:24:04.120 in America. If you can break that and have some Christian learning pods and some just traditional 0.99

00:24:12.120 classical learning pods and some tutoring, you would do so, so much to transform the future of

00:24:19.520 the country because classrooms are crystal balls. What happens in the classroom is just telling you

00:24:23.900 what your country is going to look like in 20 years. Play the long game. Now is the time. The libs are so

00:24:29.220 good at playing the long game. We have an opportunity to do it here. The opportunity is on education.

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00:25:49.800 your family today. The social issues are something that we've been told the conservatives should not

00:25:56.740 focus on. Do not go anywhere near the social issues for the last 30, 40, maybe even 50 years.

00:26:03.800 Conservatives have said, no, just focus on cutting taxes and regulation and let the social issues go.

00:26:09.140 It's too divisive. We're going to lose on that. This has been some of the worst advice that Republicans

00:26:15.560 have ever taken. And there are two issues that prove it. The Dobbs decision. The one real hardcore

00:26:26.060 social issue that the conservatives did not give up on was abortion. Even though we were told in

00:26:32.700 1973, it's over. Then we were told in 1992 with Casey, it's over. Give it up. People hate it.

00:26:37.760 Ugh, Republicans just ditch this abortion stuff. Then you'll start winning elections. 1.00

00:26:42.220 Conservatives didn't give it up. They said, it's a pipe dream. It's never going to happen. You're

00:26:44.680 never going to overrule Roe. They kept it up, kept it up. 30 years, 40 years, 49 years just kept

00:26:51.740 plugging away pro-life laws all in the states and the local communities. Court cases bringing up to

00:26:58.020 the Supreme Court. And you know what happened? We won. And you know what happened? Our views are

00:27:04.480 popular. And you know what happened? We did exactly what the left has done. For the opposite ends,

00:27:12.080 what the left does is they just keep going. They lose. Okay, they lose in court. They're going to keep

00:27:17.880 going. They lose in the legislature. Okay, they're going to keep going. You saw them do this with the

00:27:22.540 redefinition of marriage. They just pushed and pushed and pushed. And then they put it up to a vote.

00:27:27.260 They put it up to a vote in California. They lost. They keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing.

00:27:31.040 Eventually, they get their way in the courts. They don't stop. Well, conservatives have refused to give

00:27:36.140 up on that one issue on abortion. Huge win. And as far as we can tell right now, basically no political

00:27:44.560 fallout. If anything, it's helping conservatives. Yes, it motivated Democrats more according to

00:27:49.100 polls for the midterm elections. According to those same polls, it's going to motivate

00:27:52.460 Republicans even more than that. One of the other kind of social issues that we haven't given up on

00:27:56.600 is guns, one of our most popular issues. Defending the Second Amendment, absolutely one of our most

00:28:01.200 popular issues. Conservatives have rolled over on pretty much every other social issue,

00:28:05.940 and we've lost them instantly. But those issues, guns and abortion, kind of funny.

00:28:14.560 I don't think that they're in conflict with one another, but they are issues of life and death,

00:28:19.580 that's for sure. On those two issues, we have maintained a principled stance,

00:28:24.640 not this conciliatory, weak, squishy nonsense, not this technocratic, well, actually, just from the

00:28:31.020 perspective of utilitarianism and efficiency and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and spreadsheets

00:28:35.380 and eggheads. No, we held a principled stance and we said, no, we're not going to give you

00:28:39.200 a freaking inch. We're actually going to take back an inch. We're going to go inch by inch,

00:28:44.000 like I'm Al Pacino here, okay? We're going to keep just winning and winning and winning,

00:28:48.520 hard, hard, hard. Guess what? Those are the big issues for us that have won, that are propelling

00:28:53.620 us in this election and in future elections. Don't trans the kids in schools. We're not just 1.00

00:28:59.200 going to be conciliatory and say, well, you can okay certain bathrooms, well, certain sports teams,

00:29:03.740 well, maybe, I don't know, my kid can't wear a dress and high heels. You've got to pick one. 0.61

00:29:07.520 No, we said, nope, we don't want any of this crap in schools. If you do it, we're going to sue you. 0.99

00:29:12.060 We're going to kick out your governor in a blue state, the blue commonwealth of Virginia.

00:29:18.540 We're going to win on that. The social issues are winning issues. Principles are winning issues,

00:29:24.520 okay? Don't listen to the squishes. The squishes lost us the country. Now is the time to listen to 1.00

00:29:31.940 the rock-ribbed conservatives. The libs are so upset about this. They're so upset because 0.73

00:29:37.720 conservatives finally are really getting aggressive on these social issues and they're giving the

00:29:44.460 people what they want. And according to the libs, this is a great threat to democracy.

00:29:49.720 I'm a black gay woman and I have a daughter, so I'm not doing so well right now.

00:29:54.140 I'm a little salty.

00:30:01.020 You're a little salty?

00:30:01.880 I'm a little salty right now.

00:30:03.540 Okay.

00:30:03.880 Yeah.

00:30:04.480 Yeah.

00:30:04.880 Well, sprinkle a little salt.

00:30:06.180 Yeah.

00:30:07.020 Let's put some flavor on here. 0.99

00:30:08.400 It just sucks, man. It really does. I mean, you know, it's like the country, it's no longer a 0.99

00:30:14.780 democracy, right? I mean, it's no longer a majority rule.

00:30:19.100 No, certainly not in the Senate, certainly not in the representation of the Supreme Court.

00:30:21.920 It's not, it's not, it's no longer a majority rule.

00:30:24.440 I love here Stephen Colbert, who is somewhat intelligent. He realizes that what Wanda Sykes 0.99

00:30:31.080 is saying doesn't make any sense. And so he's trying to make it seem like it makes sense.

00:30:36.800 He goes, it's no longer a democracy. Why? Because of the Dobbs decision. Because of a decision where

00:30:41.460 the judiciary is giving away power and is saying, no, we're not going to make a decision about this

00:30:46.780 issue. We're going to give it back to the people and their representatives. We are going to expand

00:30:51.280 democracy. And she says, it's no longer a democracy. Colbert is just thinking, how do I,

00:30:56.480 how do I make this extremely dumb statement sound like it might sort of, he goes, yes, well, 0.95

00:31:01.380 certainly not. Yeah. Not when it comes to the judiciary and the Supreme Court or the Senate and 0.95

00:31:06.900 the Supreme Court. The judiciary, the Supreme Court were never democratic exactly. They're

00:31:16.940 democratic in the sense that people vote for electors and the electors elect the president.

00:31:21.580 The president appoints the judges and the judges are confirmed by the Senate and the Senate previously

00:31:27.500 was sent by the states and the people elect the state representatives. Now the people directly

00:31:30.960 elect the senators. So there's some democratic tie-in, but the Supreme Court is not supposed to be 0.91

00:31:35.240 the most democratic institution. They have a life tenure for a reason. It's to balance out

00:31:39.100 the tyranny of the majority. And then the Senate is fairly democratic. It's not a one-to-one

00:31:44.980 representation of the people in the country, but it does give representation to the various states

00:31:51.160 and they're elected by the people of those states. So he's trying to thread this needle. She's

00:31:55.280 saying this really dumb, dumb point, but then she gets to a really key political lesson. 0.99

00:32:03.440 The problem is that middle stuff. It's those states in the middle, that red stuff. Why do they get to 0.99

00:32:11.560 tell us what to do when the majority of us live out, you know, New York, California, and we're paying 0.99

00:32:19.220 for all this crap, really? I mean, right? We're footing the bill. Well, that's the union. It's supposed to be 0.97

00:32:26.360 representative democracy, but it turns out to be minority rule right now. Right, right. But if we fit in the

00:32:31.580 bill, you know, and like California, if it were a country, it'd be like the fifth largest, fourth, fifth largest

00:32:39.380 economy. So if, you know, if I'm fitting the bill, know your position. You know what I'm saying? You know, for real.

00:32:46.480 Like, look, if I say, hey, let's go out to dinner, you don't get to pick the restaurant. Just shut up and eat. 0.99

00:32:52.020 There it is. Shut up and eat. So she's saying the majority of Americans live in New York and California. 1.00

00:32:55.720 That's not true. That's not even close to true. It might be true in her mind. But then she points

00:33:00.660 out, she's saying, okay, I'm not really talking about the majority of Americans. I'm just talking

00:33:04.080 about the majority of where the money comes from. I'm not, you're right. I'm not talking about

00:33:08.440 democracy because if we're talking about democracy, then the people get what they want and the people

00:33:13.060 don't support my radical views. But I'm talking about, well, I guess I'm talking about oligarchy.

00:33:18.700 I guess I'm talking about money because yeah, in this country, while maybe the liberal states are,

00:33:25.560 are not the majority, uh, we, we make all the money, baby. All the rich people are Democrats.

00:33:31.180 And so if you're not making all the money and you're not paying for everything, then shut your 1.00

00:33:35.000 mouth and do what we say and let us trans your kids and let us kill your babies and let us do 1.00

00:33:40.660 whatever the hell we want. You know, like democracy, right? When they say democracy, I've said this for a 1.00

00:33:46.520 long time, not the first one to say it, but I have been saying it for a long time. When they say

00:33:51.420 democracy, they mean liberalism. They mean leftism. They mean progressivism. When they, when they weep

00:33:58.500 philosophic about our democracy, our sacred democracy, what they're referring to is their

00:34:04.160 oligarchy. And you heard it from Wanda Sykes and you see Stephen Colbert nodding along. They are going 0.99

00:34:10.640 to tell us what to do. We have one political advantage here. The political advantage we have is that the

00:34:16.500 people broadly don't like that stuff. And the people broadly are on our side and it's time to

00:34:23.180 exercise that political power. They've got a lot of institutional power. We do still have that basic

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00:35:51.120 back with the voicemail bag sponsored by Pure Talk. Welcome back to my favorite time of the week when

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00:36:21.840 the first question. Hey, Michael, my name's Steve, and I have a little bit of a more serious question

00:36:26.960 for you. So my girlfriend and I have been together for about two years. We have a mutual agreement

00:36:33.100 that we're going to wait to have sex until marriage, but there's a little bit of a difference

00:36:36.660 here. Uh, she, that she had like a religious awakening right after college and vowed abstinence

00:36:42.820 after she graduated. And I am actually a virgin. Now, while we've had this mutual agreement of

00:36:48.240 abstinence, I had never asked her how many guys she had slept with, but we got into a drunk conversation

00:36:53.140 last week and she had told me that by the time she had sworn abstinence, before she had this religious

00:36:59.140 awakening, she had slept with, hold on, I wrote it down. She slept with 22 men, six women. And she

00:37:07.440 even told me she had two abortions, one, which was very early and one, which is, which was in a later

00:37:12.120 stage. Uh, this kind of has me torn up because now we both fear God and everything. I guess my question

00:37:19.160 to you is if we get married, uh, do you think God would still respect our marriage knowing, I mean,

00:37:25.720 her body count, I guess you could say. Yeah, this kind of has me torn upside. I appreciate your

00:37:29.960 advice. Thank you so much. Uh, yes, of course God would still respect your marriage. Marriage is a

00:37:34.740 sacrament and, uh, it's, it's a real thing. It's, it's not contingent on all sorts of other questions

00:37:41.940 or on your emotions or on, on even the things that you've done in the past. I mean, your, your sins can

00:37:47.360 be forgiven, right? You, you have the opportunity to repent, to, uh, go sin no more, to have your sins be

00:37:54.740 forgiven by God because, uh, you know, Christ dies on the cross for all of our sins and redeems

00:38:00.120 mankind. I'm not sure if you believe that, but, uh, I certainly believe that. So, so yes, uh, if your

00:38:07.860 question is, will God respect your marriage? Yes. If it's a licit and legitimate marriage and done in

00:38:14.400 the right way, then yes. The, the, the, the act of marriage, when two people leave their families

00:38:20.280 and come together and become one flesh, what God has joined, let no man separate that, that is a real

00:38:26.940 action. No matter, no matter what your feelings happen to be. Now you might have some trouble with

00:38:33.420 this and you, I would, I would work through that trouble and get past it before you decide to get

00:38:38.140 married. If this, if your girlfriend's past, everybody's got a past, but if your girlfriend's 1.00

00:38:44.240 past is just too much and you just can't, you're not going to be able to deal with that. We'll know that

00:38:48.900 now. Don't take it out on her later or leave her or hold it over her head or anything like that. 0.76

00:38:53.480 If, if she is truly repented and she thinks that's all awful and especially the abortions that,

00:38:59.820 you know, she's now firmly opposed to abortion and she's working through the trauma of that and,

00:39:04.840 you know, she sought, sought forgiveness. Uh, if you, if you can get past that, then certainly,

00:39:11.540 you know, you can, you can get married and, uh, if you can get past it, God can get past it. Okay.

00:39:16.820 I, I, uh, so, so long as the, the repentance is sincere. Uh, but, but it's a real thing. I mean,

00:39:24.200 it's, it's also, it's also not something to just brush aside. That is a, that's a, that's a traumatic

00:39:31.760 way of living. You know, all those people to have been intimate with and then, and especially the

00:39:37.640 abortions, it's a, it's a very traumatic experience to go through. So you gotta, you gotta also make sure

00:39:42.140 your girlfriend has worked through that, uh, as well. Uh, not, not an easy, it, it'll be a lot

00:39:49.000 harder for you than it will be for God, but, uh, don't overlook the part of, of you both working

00:39:54.220 through that yourselves. Uh, but if you, if you can work through that and repent and atone and

00:39:58.400 move on, then have a good marriage. Next question. Hey, Michael, Heather here. I was hoping you could

00:40:05.860 take a few minutes to debunk some of the Roe v. Wade, just blatant misinformation that is spreading

00:40:13.880 around social media right now. Um, I know that this topic hits home for a lot of people, but it's

00:40:22.060 pretty, uh, personal for me, given the fact that I had a miscarriage at 20 weeks. And of course that

00:40:28.920 is, that is determined to be a quote unquote spontaneous abortion. And I really don't love

00:40:37.380 the fact that the left is using that to say, oh, see, that would not be allowed under some of these

00:40:44.720 trigger laws, which is 100% false. So I would love if you could just shed some clarity on that for those

00:40:51.760 who might fall prey to the misinformation being spread right now. Thanks, Michael.

00:40:55.840 Really good question. I'm so sorry to hear about that miscarriage. Yeah. This is another example of

00:41:00.780 the libs manipulating language to blur lines and try to get through their own radical agenda

00:41:05.400 until very recently. And I guess still in some clinical ways, a miscarriage was known as a

00:41:11.420 spontaneous abortion and abortion might be known as infanticide. Okay. During the quote unquote

00:41:18.460 abortion rights movement, you see a kind of blurring of the lines there and that now abortion come,

00:41:23.740 comes to be, comes to refer to this procedure where a woman goes in and sees a butcher and then the

00:41:30.020 butcher kills her baby in her womb and then takes the baby out. But those are obviously categorically

00:41:35.520 different things. I've seen this, this canard as well, that if you have a miscarriage, you can no

00:41:43.340 longer treat that because that would be considered an abortion. To be clear, even using that phrase,

00:41:51.100 spontaneous abortion, that occurs at the moment of the miscarriage. You, you can't, you can't abort

00:41:58.460 a baby that has already died. An abortion is when you kill a baby who was alive, who then will be 0.90

00:42:05.740 killed through that action. So no, no, there is no law in the country. There's no pro-life law in the

00:42:11.540 country that does not permit a woman to treat a miscarriage. That is just completely made up. 1.00

00:42:17.160 And it's, it's, it shows the desperation of the pro-abortion movement here. And you saw that

00:42:22.920 desperation in the dissent on Dobbs. The dissent in Dobbs from the liberals who didn't want to overrule

00:42:27.980 Roe v. Wade barely talked about Roe v. Wade, barely talked about Planned Parenthood v. Casey,

00:42:33.160 didn't really make a legal or constitutional argument for either of those decisions other than

00:42:37.720 it's precedent. It was precedent. It was decided. The doctrine of stare decisis means we have to,

00:42:43.740 we can never overrule any decision, which is completely absurd. They didn't really make a

00:42:47.840 legal argument. Then they just said, and if you overrule this, you might, they might overrule the

00:42:52.300 gay marriage decision or the Lawrence v. Texas decision, which legalizes homosexual sodomy or 0.71

00:42:57.720 finds constitutional right to it, or they might overrule contraception or they might overrule

00:43:02.140 whatever. It's just all this fear mongering that isn't true, by the way, if you read the majority

00:43:06.700 decision and is, is beside the point as well. It shows you how desperate they are. If, if they could

00:43:11.420 argue the point on abortion, they would, but they can't. So they have to misdirect to things like

00:43:16.760 miscarriages. Next question. Hey, Michael. Came for Ben, stayed for you. I'm a conservative

00:43:24.260 Protestant preacher, and often when I'm putting together my sermons, I like to pull inspiration

00:43:29.980 from some of my Roman Catholic brothers from the past. John Chrysostom, for example. I was wondering if

00:43:36.300 there are any Protestant preachers that you like to. You quote C.S. Lewis quite a bit, who is,

00:43:44.720 you know, near Catholic, but are there any others that you've read or looked into? Thanks for

00:43:50.040 everything. Bye. Great question. Certainly John Henry Newman. That's a little bit of a cheating

00:43:55.660 answer because John Henry Newman was a very anti-Catholic Anglican prelate and theologian,

00:44:04.040 and then he became, he converted to Catholicism in the Oxford movement and became not only a

00:44:09.500 Catholic cardinal, but a Catholic saint. So that one's a little bit cheating. Yes, there are,

00:44:14.600 there are Protestants who I think of a lot and read a fair bit. One of the Protestants who helped

00:44:21.000 bring me back to Christianity from atheism was Alvin Plantinga. The analyst, he's an analytic

00:44:25.760 philosopher, so he's not exactly a preacher, but he is a, I guess you'd call him a Protestant theologian.

00:44:31.440 He did his own version of the modal ontological argument for God. So he would be one of them. I

00:44:36.060 don't agree with him on everything and fundamentally on theology, I don't agree with him, but I've

00:44:40.360 read him and quoted him a fair bit. And then another one I love is Richard Niebuhr, the Protestant

00:44:45.240 ethicist who had a line that I quote frequently, which is that modern religion is a God without wrath

00:44:52.400 leading a people without sin into a kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ

00:44:56.420 without a cross. Love that line. Great line from, from Niebuhr. Okay. Next question.

00:45:02.480 Hey, Michael, long time listener, first time caller. I am totally in love with my boyfriend and we have

00:45:08.800 been talking about getting married and having oodles of babies. The problem is that I'm pro-life and he's

00:45:15.380 pro-choice. I believe that life begins at conception, the scientific and biological perspective.

00:45:21.080 And he believes that before sentience at 12 to 14 weeks, it's not a life. It's a potential life.

00:45:29.440 To me, that makes no sense. I say it's a life with potential.

00:45:32.640 The biggest issue though, is that two of his girlfriends in the past have had abortions,

00:45:39.920 had abortions before the 14 week point. He thinks that he did a good thing by doing it so quickly 0.55

00:45:45.660 and won't accept that he helped to end the lives of two innocent babies. That worries me because what

00:45:53.280 if, you know, he counsels our future children to do the same thing if the situation arose? What should I

00:46:00.320 do? How can I counter his argument that is biologically, philosophically lacking? Also,

00:46:07.440 he thinks that I believe him to be a murderer, but I don't. And even if I did believe that he was a

00:46:16.160 murderer based on the definition of murder, his judgment will be in the hereafter. And I cannot,

00:46:24.060 would not pass judgment on him. That's for God to decide. I welcome your counsel. Love the show.

00:46:33.020 Well, thank you. He is a murderer. He is. I think even you need to accept that point. By your own 0.99

00:46:40.180 logic, he is a murderer. Murderers can be forgiven. They can. St. Paul, though not exactly a murderer,

00:46:48.080 probably. St. Paul was, he participated in the stoning of St. Stephen. He was present for it,

00:46:53.620 didn't object. He's one of the greatest apostles in history. The culpability for any sin, including

00:47:04.780 murder, is mitigated somewhat if you are not fully aware of what you are doing. And that may have been

00:47:10.720 the case with your boyfriend with the abortion. If he genuinely didn't know that the baby is a baby,

00:47:16.680 maybe he sincerely believed that the baby wasn't really a baby. Maybe he wasn't, maybe he was unsure,

00:47:22.020 or maybe he was just really freaked out. But that would mitigate guilt in some way, too. I mean,

00:47:27.820 the argument that he's making that the baby isn't a baby is, as you say, biologically and

00:47:34.000 philosophically absurd. He probably knows that. He probably feels guilty in the fact that he's

00:47:40.520 saying, you think I'm a murderer. I think he's probably talking about himself, right? Who are you

00:47:46.500 really talking about here, buddy? Who are you really trying to convince? He probably knows the idea that

00:47:51.160 potential life doesn't mean anything. From the moment of conception, the baby has all of the

00:47:55.840 characteristics of life. And the baby is obviously a human. So it's a human life. And even if we say

00:48:01.840 potential life, what does that even mean? It's not a potential life in the way the sperm or an egg are

00:48:06.580 potential lives. It's a complete life. It's a unique human being. So I bet he probably knows that

00:48:13.340 deep down. And I bet he probably feels just an extreme amount of guilt. The way to get out of that

00:48:17.980 guilt, though, is not to deny, deny, deny, deny. That's what our culture tells us to do. It says,

00:48:22.540 don't be ashamed of anything you've ever done. It's not even wrong. Don't even think it's wrong.

00:48:26.880 There's no wrong and right. It's cool, man. You know that gnawing guilt that your conscience is

00:48:31.560 poking you with all the time? Yeah, just ignore that. Just deaden that with drugs and distractions

00:48:37.880 and sex and overwork and whatever. Just don't acknowledge it. That's not going to be a path

00:48:45.700 to success or redemption. You need to first acknowledge it. The only way out is through.

00:48:51.280 And I think your boyfriend should probably just look himself in the mirror and say,

00:48:54.260 you know what? My fiance or my girlfriend thinks I'm a murderer. I guess I am. I guess I am. And I did a

00:49:02.700 horrible, horrible thing twice. I did a really horrible thing twice. And maybe I didn't totally know,

00:49:08.180 and maybe I did know, but I did it and people do really horrible things. And I can be forgiven and

00:49:15.340 I can repent even for that. But first, you've got to acknowledge it. The first step is acknowledging

00:49:21.560 that reality. And then, you know what I would recommend? I'd recommend you go to, he go to

00:49:27.320 confession. He ask God's forgiveness and he really work on all of that. That's going to be the only way

00:49:33.360 out because your concern is totally legitimate. You're going to get married. He's going to

00:49:37.320 be the head of your household. And even if he were not the head of household, this would,

00:49:42.840 you're talking about the way you're going to raise children. And you're talking about

00:49:45.740 some of the most fundamental questions of life and death and what is a human being and what is

00:49:50.260 the nature of man. So you really should be on the same page here. And he probably can be,

00:49:54.300 and he's probably racked with guilt and he should work through that. And if he gets on the path to

00:49:58.520 working through that, then I say, go on, have a happy marriage. If he refuses to work through that,

00:50:02.760 I think you're going to see the downsides. You're going to see negative effects of that spread out

00:50:08.440 in so many other areas of your marriage. So deal with it. Don't ignore it. Deal with that man in

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The Michael Knowles Show - June 30, 2022

Ep. 1038 - California Bribes People With Taxes & Abortion

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