Ep. 1038 - California Bribes People With Taxes & Abortion
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Summary
California Governor Gavin Newsom has a plan to lure more liberal people back to the Golden State. He wants to enshrine a ban on abortion in the state constitution, and he thinks it s the best way to do it.
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In 2020, 650,000 people moved out of California, including myself. Last year, another nearly 700,000
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people moved out of California. Since 2010, about 8 million people have moved out of California to
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freer pastures. Many, many more people than have moved into California from other places.
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The state is hemorrhaging people because of onerous taxes, crippling regulations,
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rampant crime, and streets lined with needles and human excrement. But Governor Patrick Bateman,
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American psycho himself, has figured out a way to lure people back to the Golden State,
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and that is to let them kill their babies. That'll do it, right? This week, California state legislators
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advanced an amendment to enshrine a license to contraception and abortion in the state
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constitution. Governor Bateman believes this will do it. He says, we want you back. Come back,
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come back. Come on, please. Here we go. We're going to be the land of the free, free, quote unquote,
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the freedom to kill your babies. In the long run, this is very bad. We don't want babies in California
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to be killed any more than we want babies in any other state to be killed. No state, no community
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has the right to kill little babies, even if every single person in the state votes to legalize it.
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And that is because abortion is contrary to natural law. I don't think this is even going to achieve what
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Newsom wants, which is to convince the people to move back to California. But it might convince
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more liberal Californians to stay in California. In the short term, this might be a political benefit
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to avoid packing up their lives and shoving off to the red states in the first place. It may make
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inertia even more appealing and keep the libs in California, which in the short run would do the
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great service of confining the poison of leftist policies. It may slow the spread of epidemic leftism
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to the rest of the country, but conservatives cannot kick back and rest easy. Conservatives
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need to take this opportunity that the left is giving us. We are winning. We are winning
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specifically on the so-called social issues. Now is the time to strengthen our communities,
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our red states, prove the superiority of our way of life, rally the political troops,
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and then retake the blue states too. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday is from Jordan Elizabeth, who says,
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the lady who founded March for Life, Nellie Gray, was born on June 24th too. The so-called
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coincidences keep on coming. That's amazing. June 24th, the day that Dobbs comes down,
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the day that Roe is overruled, the day that is the feast of the sacred heart of Jesus,
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the day on which traditionally would be the nativity of St. John the Baptist who leaps in his mother's
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womb when Jesus in his mother's womb approaches, a day when there is a five-planet alignment. The
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to kill little babies is going to be enough to bring all the people who have fled California
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back. I don't think it's going to convince someone. How sad is that? How desperate that
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that's all they've got. Yeah, I know it's terrible to live here, and I know that we're destroying all
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of our communities, and I know that we're killing your businesses and taking your rights and stealing
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all your money. But hey, we'll let you do the most evil thing I can imagine. You can do that
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if you want to do that really evil thing. You can do it here. Is that going to do it? I don't think
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so. And they're making life even worse in California now. San Francisco has just decided
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to destroy the suburbs. This is such an important story, and the libs are pushing it, especially in
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San Francisco, but around the country. And there have been fights over this, going back to the Obama
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administration over whether or not to allow people to keep the suburbs, whether or not to allow nice
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communities with single family homes and lots, or to get rid of single family zoning and make
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everything into some big, ugly apartment building so that you can pack more people in and destroy the,
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to quote Donald Trump, the suburban lifestyle dream. Well, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors
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just passed this legislation two days ago to eliminate single family zoning. It will now allow
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four plexes on every neighborhood lot and six units on corner properties. This builds on something I
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mentioned at the end of the show yesterday, which is if we want people to be conservative, we need to
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have people like their homes, like their country. We need to give them a country that is beautiful
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and lovable and pleasant to be in. This was a point that the late conservative philosopher Roger
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Scruton made when he actually had a government post in charge of housing in the country in the UK.
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He said, if you want to make people want to conserve something, you need to give them something worth
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conserving. The libs do not want us to live in a beautiful place. The libs do not want us to live
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in a lovable place. They want us to live in some dingy, tiny little apartment where we own nothing
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and we'll be happy. That's what they want. They want us to be packed in like rats. And the reason
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for this, I think, gets to their view of humanity. I think that the libs, you'll frequently hear the
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libs talk about the masses, you know, the unwashed masses, that religion is the opiate of the masses,
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just masses. Masses of what? Conservatives generally don't talk about the masses. We talk about people
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because we like people and we view them as individually very important and as working
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together in a community and having dignity and having worth. And the libs say, no, it's just
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masses. These masses are creating a problem of overpopulation. We're just going to kill them
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through abortion or through euthanasia. We're just going to treat them like refuse, like nothing. And then
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we're going to cram them into these ugly giant buildings and not give them a beautiful home
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where they can thrive in the suburbs or wherever they can find themselves. Now, of course, the libs
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who are running things, they have their nice single family homes. They just don't want you to have it.
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They don't want you to have nice places. We're going to pack in all of the underclass in some filthy
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tenement. And then I, Nancy Pelosi, I'm going to go live in my mansion outside of San Francisco.
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I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going to go live in a quadruplex. I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going
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to go move into some ugly apartment building. That's just for you. That's just for everybody
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else. That's not a good way to live. But it ties in with all of the other, it ties in with the social
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issues. It ties in with the economic issues. They don't want to give people lovable places where
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they can thrive. Speaking of Nancy Pelosi and reasons not to move to California, there's a scandal
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that's just come out with Pelosi, which is that Pelosi just visited the Vatican and apparently got
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to meet the Pope. And then later at a papal mass, received communion, received the Eucharist.
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This has been a big political battle because in the Catholic church, to which Nancy Pelosi at least
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pretends to adhere, you do not receive the Eucharist if you are in a state of grave mortal sin. And the
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reason you're not supposed to do that is not just because it causes scandal to everyone else, but
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because St. Paul says that if you eat the Eucharist unworthily, you are eating your own damnation.
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So it's not good for you to do that. It's actually a sin to do that. Nancy Pelosi does it anyway. Her
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archbishop has a great backbone. His name is Cordileone, means heart of a lion. Archbishop Cordileone says,
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listen, I'm instructing all the priests in this diocese, do not give the Eucharist to Nancy Pelosi.
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That's bad for her and it's bad for the flock, which will be led astray. So then she goes to the
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Vatican and it's unclear. I don't think the Pope himself gave Nancy Pelosi the Eucharist at a papal
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mass. There are lots and lots of people distributing the host, but she did present herself to receive it.
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And this is a great scandal. It ties in with another sort of scandal that's come out of the
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Vatican, which is that the Pope has tried to get rid of the Latin mass. He's really trying to suppress
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the Latin mass. And I know for the people listening who are not Catholic, who are not particularly
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traditional, who maybe aren't Christian at all, maybe they aren't even religious, this story really
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matters too. I know it doesn't seem like it would if you're not attending the Latin mass or you're not
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Catholic, but it really does. And it does because of a principle in Christianity that applies to our
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entire American life. And the principle in Latin is lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi. It means
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the way that we pray is the way that we believe, is the way that we live. This idea that the way in which
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we worship God, the way in which we worship anything really, is going to really probably determine the
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way that we believe, the way that we think about God or whatever we worship, and it's going to affect the
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way that we live our lives. Because we're incarnate beings, we have bodies and ritual matters, and where we
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spend our time is where we place value. It's what we think is really meaningful. It's why the liturgy is so
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important, but it's why the liturgy of the way that we live our lives is so important. If we pray
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and worship money, then we are going to believe that money is the most important thing, and we're
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going to live our lives in a very materialist way. If we pray, if we worship sex or pornography or
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the hookup culture, something like that, we're going to believe that that is the most important thing,
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that just getting at our sort of animal aggression and instincts and things like that is the most
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important thing, and we're going to live like animals. Or if we worship God, and specifically
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if we worship God in a reverent way, in the way that he asks us to in the Bible, then we're going
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to believe in that way, and we're going to live our lives in that way that's very elevated. You can't
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ignore it. Even if you think you're an atheist, even if you think you're agnostic, you can't escape that
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because you got a body. You got a body, and the way that you use your body, and the way that you
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spend your time, and the way that you worship, because man is a religious being, and everybody's
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got to serve somebody, that's going to affect the way that you believe about everything, and it's
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going to affect every other aspect of your life. When you've got people leading others into scandal,
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we sent you. Speaking of religion, really unfortunate story coming out of Hollywood
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and religion. It's about Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt is a movie star, probably the most popular movie
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star in the world right now. He has become a voice for Christians. He has become a voice for maybe kind
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of conservatives, I don't know, or at least non-leftists. He did this because he was at an
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awards show and he spoke about God and he said, God loves you. There is a God. God loves you and
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you should have a relationship with God. Something to that effect. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what
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he said. And it was so refreshing to see because the rest of Hollywood, usually in their speeches,
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insinuates there is a Moloch. You should sacrifice to Moloch. You should sell your soul to the devil.
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And they always say the opposite of what Chris Pratt said. So it was very refreshing to see that.
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Now Chris Pratt is coming out. He's saying, I'm not a religious person. And it's being reported in a
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lot of places, but it's a very long interview in Men's Health. And Chris says, look, I'm not really
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a religious person. I think religion has been oppressive AF for a long time. I don't know how I
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came to be viewed as this voice of religion. People said that I went to Hillsong Church,
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which I guess is not down with the rainbow. They're not the most LGBT church in the world.
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And I've never been to Hillsong Church. And it was just really sort of sad to see. Again,
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it's such a long interview. I can't even find the exact quote. It's fine though. It doesn't really
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matter what the exact quote is. It was just really, really sad to see. It was like in the old days of
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the House Committee on Un-American Activities and Hollywood blacklisting. The Hollywood people
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would be asked, are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? Which I firmly
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defend, by the way. I'm perfectly fine blacklisting communists because communists are very bad and
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we're subverting our country. Now we've got the opposite. Now we're having, are you now or have you
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ever been a Christian? And Chris Pratt doesn't disavow God entirely here. He does, but he basically
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says I'm spiritual, but not religious. It's really, really weak sauce. And I think it's, it's dumb for
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him to do it because he's trying to thread this needle and remain a big Hollywood star in the
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mainstream, but not, not get canceled, but not totally throw away his beliefs. And it's just not,
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not going to work, man. I mean, I think this is, this is kind of what in the gospels you see spoken of,
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and what the early Christians saw at a certain point, you're going to have to pick a side.
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Okay. If you, if you believe in God, if you believe in the truth and you say true things and
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you stand up for the truth, people are going to hate you for it. And then you're going to have
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to make a decision. Do you go with the mob or do you stick with the truth? And do you stick with God?
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And right now, Chris is trying to stand in the middle and he's trying to, he's trying to thread that
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needle and have, have everything. You can't, you can't do that. You can't have everything. And if
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the choices are between picking the absolute degenerates in Hollywood and fame, which even
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for a giant star like Chris Pratt will be fleeting or the truth and God and what is right, it shouldn't
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be a hard decision. I know that it is in the moment, but it should not be a hard decision. And there,
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there's a kind of humility with Pratt saying, wait, why am I, I'm just some big, dumb movie star.
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Why am I, why are you having me be the voice of religion and theology and faith in America? But
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that role has been thrust on him to some degree and he should, he should step up to it. That's sad.
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It was a disappointing interview and I hope he doesn't do it again. And I, I don't want to be
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too hard on him, but come on, man, toughen up, toughen up, man. What are you doing?
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The institutional power is with the libs. Okay. The, the people are with Chris Pratt here. The people
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are with God. The people are with beautiful places. The people are with normal ways of life.
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The people are with don't trans the kids. The people are with don't kill babies. The people are
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with all the normal stuff. And yet the institutional power is all on the opposite side of that. The,
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the institutional power is pushing extremely fringe views such as transing the kids. It's because the
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principalities and powers and dominations of this world are on the side of the ruler of this world,
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who is the devil. Okay. The prince of this world. But, but I don't think that speaks for the majority
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of people or our best inclinations. And so this is where you get populism from, especially the
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populism of the last few years. How is it that the people seem normal, but the elites are so crooked
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and, and wicked and stupid and evil. Well, that's sort of the way it's always been. And so you've
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got to kind of pick a side. Now the institutional power is behind Biden. The institutional power is
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behind the Democrats. No question about that. Yet, when you look at where the money is,
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and you look at where the smart money is, where the bets are, where the people are,
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Joe Biden is not only not the favorite to win in 2024, he's not even number two. There's an amazing
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story right now out of gambling.com, which is sometimes more reliable than public opinion
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polls because it shows you where people are really willing to put their money, what they really think
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is going to happen. It's not just a consequence free pie in the sky. They're actually putting a
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little skin in the game here. And according to gambling.com, the number one favorite to win in 2024
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is Donald Trump. The number two favorite to win in 2024, the whole presidency, Ron DeSantis.
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The number three choice, Joe Biden, third favorite. You think this is good news for DeSantis.
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I'm actually not sure that it is. It means that he's popular. It means that people like him. It
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means that people think he's a strong candidate and could be president. All of that's true.
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All of that's true. But I think it might be bad news for DeSantis because I think this is only going
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to make Donald Trump double down on running. If Trump is looking at this right now and he's saying,
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hold on, the incumbent president is so weak that not only is he going to lose to me, according to
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at least this sort of odds making, not only is he going to lose to me, he's going to lose to the
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other guy too. Okay. Now I'm definitely going to get in, in 2024. It's even more of an incentive for
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Trump to run because the incumbent is even weaker than he had previously thought. And there's, there's
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no bench. Kamala Harris is less likable than Biden. Pete Buttigieg is someone that the libs all think
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is really likable, but he's extremely unlikable and he's glib and he's shallow and he's almost
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certainly a CIA operative. And he takes four months maternity leave so that he can chest feed his
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adopted child or whatever the situation is. He's not, he's in the mainstream of the fringe
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of the, of the people who are familiar with management consultant, Ivy league educated,
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socially radical glib people. He's not in the mainstream of the mainstream. So he's not going
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anywhere. Elizabeth Warren is totally done. Who else? Who do they have? Hillary. I actually don't
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think Hillary's going to run again. She's going to be busy. Look, Ghislaine Maxwell is about to go to
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prison. Hillary's got a few things to take care of before she can think about 2024. So this is more
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incentive for Trump to run tough, tough on DeSantis, but we'll see there. And there might just be a
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primary and the guys might get bruised up and that's, that's the way it goes. Republicans have
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clutched defeat from the jaws of victory before. Right now though, we are winning right now, no matter
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what happens in 2024, we are winning. You saw it on all those Supreme court decisions on the second
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amendment. You saw it on religious liberty in schools. You saw it on, uh, obviously the Dobbs
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decision. You're, you're seeing it right now outside of the court in education. There was a huge win
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for conservatives in education took place in Arizona. Almost nobody is covering it in Arizona.
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Right now they have the empowerment scholarship account program. And previously this was a way for a
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very small number of students to take the federal, the taxpayer money from the state that would go
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toward their education and spend it in a small number of specialized programs. The, uh, California
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legislature has, uh, greatly expanded this. Families now can receive over $6,500 per year per child
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without those same restrictions that you had before. So a whole lot of Arizona students will qualify for
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this and they can use that money for private schools. Yes. Or for homeschooling or for learning pods.
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So it's homeschooling with a few other families or for tutoring or for pretty much any other kind of
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educational, uh, service that will fit their family's needs. This is incredibly good news. This is the silver
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lining. One of the silver linings that comes out of the storm cloud of COVID during COVID parents saw all
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the lunacy that their kids were being taught in schools because of distance learning. And they
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also will, so that obviously pulls them, impels the parents to pull the kids out of school. But then
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they also realized, wait, we don't need this public school. These public schools have failed our
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students. The teacher unions are shutting our kids out of schools. They're completely screwing them over
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just for their own selfish purposes. And so what do we need them for? And it led to a huge rise
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homeschooling. Now conservatives can capitalize on this. This is a huge win. If we can break the back
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of the public schooling system, which from the very beginning has been for the benefit of libs going
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back, not just 10 or 20 years, going back to Horace Mann, it has been to create a leftist consensus
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00:24:12.120
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00:24:19.520
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your family today. The social issues are something that we've been told the conservatives should not
00:25:56.740
focus on. Do not go anywhere near the social issues for the last 30, 40, maybe even 50 years.
00:26:03.800
Conservatives have said, no, just focus on cutting taxes and regulation and let the social issues go.
00:26:09.140
It's too divisive. We're going to lose on that. This has been some of the worst advice that Republicans
00:26:15.560
have ever taken. And there are two issues that prove it. The Dobbs decision. The one real hardcore
00:26:26.060
social issue that the conservatives did not give up on was abortion. Even though we were told in
00:26:32.700
1973, it's over. Then we were told in 1992 with Casey, it's over. Give it up. People hate it.
00:26:37.760
Ugh, Republicans just ditch this abortion stuff. Then you'll start winning elections.
00:26:42.220
Conservatives didn't give it up. They said, it's a pipe dream. It's never going to happen. You're
00:26:44.680
never going to overrule Roe. They kept it up, kept it up. 30 years, 40 years, 49 years just kept
00:26:51.740
plugging away pro-life laws all in the states and the local communities. Court cases bringing up to
00:26:58.020
the Supreme Court. And you know what happened? We won. And you know what happened? Our views are
00:27:04.480
popular. And you know what happened? We did exactly what the left has done. For the opposite ends,
00:27:12.080
what the left does is they just keep going. They lose. Okay, they lose in court. They're going to keep
00:27:17.880
going. They lose in the legislature. Okay, they're going to keep going. You saw them do this with the
00:27:22.540
redefinition of marriage. They just pushed and pushed and pushed. And then they put it up to a vote.
00:27:27.260
They put it up to a vote in California. They lost. They keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing.
00:27:31.040
Eventually, they get their way in the courts. They don't stop. Well, conservatives have refused to give
00:27:36.140
up on that one issue on abortion. Huge win. And as far as we can tell right now, basically no political
00:27:44.560
fallout. If anything, it's helping conservatives. Yes, it motivated Democrats more according to
00:27:49.100
polls for the midterm elections. According to those same polls, it's going to motivate
00:27:52.460
Republicans even more than that. One of the other kind of social issues that we haven't given up on
00:27:56.600
is guns, one of our most popular issues. Defending the Second Amendment, absolutely one of our most
00:28:01.200
popular issues. Conservatives have rolled over on pretty much every other social issue,
00:28:05.940
and we've lost them instantly. But those issues, guns and abortion, kind of funny.
00:28:14.560
I don't think that they're in conflict with one another, but they are issues of life and death,
00:28:19.580
that's for sure. On those two issues, we have maintained a principled stance,
00:28:24.640
not this conciliatory, weak, squishy nonsense, not this technocratic, well, actually, just from the
00:28:31.020
perspective of utilitarianism and efficiency and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and spreadsheets
00:28:35.380
and eggheads. No, we held a principled stance and we said, no, we're not going to give you
00:28:39.200
a freaking inch. We're actually going to take back an inch. We're going to go inch by inch,
00:28:44.000
like I'm Al Pacino here, okay? We're going to keep just winning and winning and winning,
00:28:48.520
hard, hard, hard. Guess what? Those are the big issues for us that have won, that are propelling
00:28:53.620
us in this election and in future elections. Don't trans the kids in schools. We're not just
00:28:59.200
going to be conciliatory and say, well, you can okay certain bathrooms, well, certain sports teams,
00:29:03.740
well, maybe, I don't know, my kid can't wear a dress and high heels. You've got to pick one.
00:29:07.520
No, we said, nope, we don't want any of this crap in schools. If you do it, we're going to sue you.
00:29:12.060
We're going to kick out your governor in a blue state, the blue commonwealth of Virginia.
00:29:18.540
We're going to win on that. The social issues are winning issues. Principles are winning issues,
00:29:24.520
okay? Don't listen to the squishes. The squishes lost us the country. Now is the time to listen to
00:29:31.940
the rock-ribbed conservatives. The libs are so upset about this. They're so upset because
00:29:37.720
conservatives finally are really getting aggressive on these social issues and they're giving the
00:29:44.460
people what they want. And according to the libs, this is a great threat to democracy.
00:29:49.720
I'm a black gay woman and I have a daughter, so I'm not doing so well right now.
00:30:08.400
It just sucks, man. It really does. I mean, you know, it's like the country, it's no longer a
00:30:14.780
democracy, right? I mean, it's no longer a majority rule.
00:30:19.100
No, certainly not in the Senate, certainly not in the representation of the Supreme Court.
00:30:21.920
It's not, it's not, it's no longer a majority rule.
00:30:24.440
I love here Stephen Colbert, who is somewhat intelligent. He realizes that what Wanda Sykes
00:30:31.080
is saying doesn't make any sense. And so he's trying to make it seem like it makes sense.
00:30:36.800
He goes, it's no longer a democracy. Why? Because of the Dobbs decision. Because of a decision where
00:30:41.460
the judiciary is giving away power and is saying, no, we're not going to make a decision about this
00:30:46.780
issue. We're going to give it back to the people and their representatives. We are going to expand
00:30:51.280
democracy. And she says, it's no longer a democracy. Colbert is just thinking, how do I,
00:30:56.480
how do I make this extremely dumb statement sound like it might sort of, he goes, yes, well,
00:31:01.380
certainly not. Yeah. Not when it comes to the judiciary and the Supreme Court or the Senate and
00:31:06.900
the Supreme Court. The judiciary, the Supreme Court were never democratic exactly. They're
00:31:16.940
democratic in the sense that people vote for electors and the electors elect the president.
00:31:21.580
The president appoints the judges and the judges are confirmed by the Senate and the Senate previously
00:31:27.500
was sent by the states and the people elect the state representatives. Now the people directly
00:31:30.960
elect the senators. So there's some democratic tie-in, but the Supreme Court is not supposed to be
00:31:35.240
the most democratic institution. They have a life tenure for a reason. It's to balance out
00:31:39.100
the tyranny of the majority. And then the Senate is fairly democratic. It's not a one-to-one
00:31:44.980
representation of the people in the country, but it does give representation to the various states
00:31:51.160
and they're elected by the people of those states. So he's trying to thread this needle. She's
00:31:55.280
saying this really dumb, dumb point, but then she gets to a really key political lesson.
00:32:03.440
The problem is that middle stuff. It's those states in the middle, that red stuff. Why do they get to
00:32:11.560
tell us what to do when the majority of us live out, you know, New York, California, and we're paying
00:32:19.220
for all this crap, really? I mean, right? We're footing the bill. Well, that's the union. It's supposed to be
00:32:26.360
representative democracy, but it turns out to be minority rule right now. Right, right. But if we fit in the
00:32:31.580
bill, you know, and like California, if it were a country, it'd be like the fifth largest, fourth, fifth largest
00:32:39.380
economy. So if, you know, if I'm fitting the bill, know your position. You know what I'm saying? You know, for real.
00:32:46.480
Like, look, if I say, hey, let's go out to dinner, you don't get to pick the restaurant. Just shut up and eat.
00:32:52.020
There it is. Shut up and eat. So she's saying the majority of Americans live in New York and California.
00:32:55.720
That's not true. That's not even close to true. It might be true in her mind. But then she points
00:33:00.660
out, she's saying, okay, I'm not really talking about the majority of Americans. I'm just talking
00:33:04.080
about the majority of where the money comes from. I'm not, you're right. I'm not talking about
00:33:08.440
democracy because if we're talking about democracy, then the people get what they want and the people
00:33:13.060
don't support my radical views. But I'm talking about, well, I guess I'm talking about oligarchy.
00:33:18.700
I guess I'm talking about money because yeah, in this country, while maybe the liberal states are,
00:33:25.560
are not the majority, uh, we, we make all the money, baby. All the rich people are Democrats.
00:33:31.180
And so if you're not making all the money and you're not paying for everything, then shut your
00:33:35.000
mouth and do what we say and let us trans your kids and let us kill your babies and let us do
00:33:40.660
whatever the hell we want. You know, like democracy, right? When they say democracy, I've said this for a
00:33:46.520
long time, not the first one to say it, but I have been saying it for a long time. When they say
00:33:51.420
democracy, they mean liberalism. They mean leftism. They mean progressivism. When they, when they weep
00:33:58.500
philosophic about our democracy, our sacred democracy, what they're referring to is their
00:34:04.160
oligarchy. And you heard it from Wanda Sykes and you see Stephen Colbert nodding along. They are going
00:34:10.640
to tell us what to do. We have one political advantage here. The political advantage we have is that the
00:34:16.500
people broadly don't like that stuff. And the people broadly are on our side and it's time to
00:34:23.180
exercise that political power. They've got a lot of institutional power. We do still have that basic
00:34:29.200
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the first question. Hey, Michael, my name's Steve, and I have a little bit of a more serious question
00:36:26.960
for you. So my girlfriend and I have been together for about two years. We have a mutual agreement
00:36:33.100
that we're going to wait to have sex until marriage, but there's a little bit of a difference
00:36:36.660
here. Uh, she, that she had like a religious awakening right after college and vowed abstinence
00:36:42.820
after she graduated. And I am actually a virgin. Now, while we've had this mutual agreement of
00:36:48.240
abstinence, I had never asked her how many guys she had slept with, but we got into a drunk conversation
00:36:53.140
last week and she had told me that by the time she had sworn abstinence, before she had this religious
00:36:59.140
awakening, she had slept with, hold on, I wrote it down. She slept with 22 men, six women. And she
00:37:07.440
even told me she had two abortions, one, which was very early and one, which is, which was in a later
00:37:12.120
stage. Uh, this kind of has me torn up because now we both fear God and everything. I guess my question
00:37:19.160
to you is if we get married, uh, do you think God would still respect our marriage knowing, I mean,
00:37:25.720
her body count, I guess you could say. Yeah, this kind of has me torn upside. I appreciate your
00:37:29.960
advice. Thank you so much. Uh, yes, of course God would still respect your marriage. Marriage is a
00:37:34.740
sacrament and, uh, it's, it's a real thing. It's, it's not contingent on all sorts of other questions
00:37:41.940
or on your emotions or on, on even the things that you've done in the past. I mean, your, your sins can
00:37:47.360
be forgiven, right? You, you have the opportunity to repent, to, uh, go sin no more, to have your sins be
00:37:54.740
forgiven by God because, uh, you know, Christ dies on the cross for all of our sins and redeems
00:38:00.120
mankind. I'm not sure if you believe that, but, uh, I certainly believe that. So, so yes, uh, if your
00:38:07.860
question is, will God respect your marriage? Yes. If it's a licit and legitimate marriage and done in
00:38:14.400
the right way, then yes. The, the, the, the act of marriage, when two people leave their families
00:38:20.280
and come together and become one flesh, what God has joined, let no man separate that, that is a real
00:38:26.940
action. No matter, no matter what your feelings happen to be. Now you might have some trouble with
00:38:33.420
this and you, I would, I would work through that trouble and get past it before you decide to get
00:38:38.140
married. If this, if your girlfriend's past, everybody's got a past, but if your girlfriend's
00:38:44.240
past is just too much and you just can't, you're not going to be able to deal with that. We'll know that
00:38:48.900
now. Don't take it out on her later or leave her or hold it over her head or anything like that.
00:38:53.480
If, if she is truly repented and she thinks that's all awful and especially the abortions that,
00:38:59.820
you know, she's now firmly opposed to abortion and she's working through the trauma of that and,
00:39:04.840
you know, she sought, sought forgiveness. Uh, if you, if you can get past that, then certainly,
00:39:11.540
you know, you can, you can get married and, uh, if you can get past it, God can get past it. Okay.
00:39:16.820
I, I, uh, so, so long as the, the repentance is sincere. Uh, but, but it's a real thing. I mean,
00:39:24.200
it's, it's also, it's also not something to just brush aside. That is a, that's a, that's a traumatic
00:39:31.760
way of living. You know, all those people to have been intimate with and then, and especially the
00:39:37.640
abortions, it's a, it's a very traumatic experience to go through. So you gotta, you gotta also make sure
00:39:42.140
your girlfriend has worked through that, uh, as well. Uh, not, not an easy, it, it'll be a lot
00:39:49.000
harder for you than it will be for God, but, uh, don't overlook the part of, of you both working
00:39:54.220
through that yourselves. Uh, but if you, if you can work through that and repent and atone and
00:39:58.400
move on, then have a good marriage. Next question. Hey, Michael, Heather here. I was hoping you could
00:40:05.860
take a few minutes to debunk some of the Roe v. Wade, just blatant misinformation that is spreading
00:40:13.880
around social media right now. Um, I know that this topic hits home for a lot of people, but it's
00:40:22.060
pretty, uh, personal for me, given the fact that I had a miscarriage at 20 weeks. And of course that
00:40:28.920
is, that is determined to be a quote unquote spontaneous abortion. And I really don't love
00:40:37.380
the fact that the left is using that to say, oh, see, that would not be allowed under some of these
00:40:44.720
trigger laws, which is 100% false. So I would love if you could just shed some clarity on that for those
00:40:51.760
who might fall prey to the misinformation being spread right now. Thanks, Michael.
00:40:55.840
Really good question. I'm so sorry to hear about that miscarriage. Yeah. This is another example of
00:41:00.780
the libs manipulating language to blur lines and try to get through their own radical agenda
00:41:05.400
until very recently. And I guess still in some clinical ways, a miscarriage was known as a
00:41:11.420
spontaneous abortion and abortion might be known as infanticide. Okay. During the quote unquote
00:41:18.460
abortion rights movement, you see a kind of blurring of the lines there and that now abortion come,
00:41:23.740
comes to be, comes to refer to this procedure where a woman goes in and sees a butcher and then the
00:41:30.020
butcher kills her baby in her womb and then takes the baby out. But those are obviously categorically
00:41:35.520
different things. I've seen this, this canard as well, that if you have a miscarriage, you can no
00:41:43.340
longer treat that because that would be considered an abortion. To be clear, even using that phrase,
00:41:51.100
spontaneous abortion, that occurs at the moment of the miscarriage. You, you can't, you can't abort
00:41:58.460
a baby that has already died. An abortion is when you kill a baby who was alive, who then will be
00:42:05.740
killed through that action. So no, no, there is no law in the country. There's no pro-life law in the
00:42:11.540
country that does not permit a woman to treat a miscarriage. That is just completely made up.
00:42:17.160
And it's, it's, it shows the desperation of the pro-abortion movement here. And you saw that
00:42:22.920
desperation in the dissent on Dobbs. The dissent in Dobbs from the liberals who didn't want to overrule
00:42:27.980
Roe v. Wade barely talked about Roe v. Wade, barely talked about Planned Parenthood v. Casey,
00:42:33.160
didn't really make a legal or constitutional argument for either of those decisions other than
00:42:37.720
it's precedent. It was precedent. It was decided. The doctrine of stare decisis means we have to,
00:42:43.740
we can never overrule any decision, which is completely absurd. They didn't really make a
00:42:47.840
legal argument. Then they just said, and if you overrule this, you might, they might overrule the
00:42:52.300
gay marriage decision or the Lawrence v. Texas decision, which legalizes homosexual sodomy or
00:42:57.720
finds constitutional right to it, or they might overrule contraception or they might overrule
00:43:02.140
whatever. It's just all this fear mongering that isn't true, by the way, if you read the majority
00:43:06.700
decision and is, is beside the point as well. It shows you how desperate they are. If, if they could
00:43:11.420
argue the point on abortion, they would, but they can't. So they have to misdirect to things like
00:43:16.760
miscarriages. Next question. Hey, Michael. Came for Ben, stayed for you. I'm a conservative
00:43:24.260
Protestant preacher, and often when I'm putting together my sermons, I like to pull inspiration
00:43:29.980
from some of my Roman Catholic brothers from the past. John Chrysostom, for example. I was wondering if
00:43:36.300
there are any Protestant preachers that you like to. You quote C.S. Lewis quite a bit, who is,
00:43:44.720
you know, near Catholic, but are there any others that you've read or looked into? Thanks for
00:43:50.040
everything. Bye. Great question. Certainly John Henry Newman. That's a little bit of a cheating
00:43:55.660
answer because John Henry Newman was a very anti-Catholic Anglican prelate and theologian,
00:44:04.040
and then he became, he converted to Catholicism in the Oxford movement and became not only a
00:44:09.500
Catholic cardinal, but a Catholic saint. So that one's a little bit cheating. Yes, there are,
00:44:14.600
there are Protestants who I think of a lot and read a fair bit. One of the Protestants who helped
00:44:21.000
bring me back to Christianity from atheism was Alvin Plantinga. The analyst, he's an analytic
00:44:25.760
philosopher, so he's not exactly a preacher, but he is a, I guess you'd call him a Protestant theologian.
00:44:31.440
He did his own version of the modal ontological argument for God. So he would be one of them. I
00:44:36.060
don't agree with him on everything and fundamentally on theology, I don't agree with him, but I've
00:44:40.360
read him and quoted him a fair bit. And then another one I love is Richard Niebuhr, the Protestant
00:44:45.240
ethicist who had a line that I quote frequently, which is that modern religion is a God without wrath
00:44:52.400
leading a people without sin into a kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ
00:44:56.420
without a cross. Love that line. Great line from, from Niebuhr. Okay. Next question.
00:45:02.480
Hey, Michael, long time listener, first time caller. I am totally in love with my boyfriend and we have
00:45:08.800
been talking about getting married and having oodles of babies. The problem is that I'm pro-life and he's
00:45:15.380
pro-choice. I believe that life begins at conception, the scientific and biological perspective.
00:45:21.080
And he believes that before sentience at 12 to 14 weeks, it's not a life. It's a potential life.
00:45:29.440
To me, that makes no sense. I say it's a life with potential.
00:45:32.640
The biggest issue though, is that two of his girlfriends in the past have had abortions,
00:45:39.920
had abortions before the 14 week point. He thinks that he did a good thing by doing it so quickly
00:45:45.660
and won't accept that he helped to end the lives of two innocent babies. That worries me because what
00:45:53.280
if, you know, he counsels our future children to do the same thing if the situation arose? What should I
00:46:00.320
do? How can I counter his argument that is biologically, philosophically lacking? Also,
00:46:07.440
he thinks that I believe him to be a murderer, but I don't. And even if I did believe that he was a
00:46:16.160
murderer based on the definition of murder, his judgment will be in the hereafter. And I cannot,
00:46:24.060
would not pass judgment on him. That's for God to decide. I welcome your counsel. Love the show.
00:46:33.020
Well, thank you. He is a murderer. He is. I think even you need to accept that point. By your own
00:46:40.180
logic, he is a murderer. Murderers can be forgiven. They can. St. Paul, though not exactly a murderer,
00:46:48.080
probably. St. Paul was, he participated in the stoning of St. Stephen. He was present for it,
00:46:53.620
didn't object. He's one of the greatest apostles in history. The culpability for any sin, including
00:47:04.780
murder, is mitigated somewhat if you are not fully aware of what you are doing. And that may have been
00:47:10.720
the case with your boyfriend with the abortion. If he genuinely didn't know that the baby is a baby,
00:47:16.680
maybe he sincerely believed that the baby wasn't really a baby. Maybe he wasn't, maybe he was unsure,
00:47:22.020
or maybe he was just really freaked out. But that would mitigate guilt in some way, too. I mean,
00:47:27.820
the argument that he's making that the baby isn't a baby is, as you say, biologically and
00:47:34.000
philosophically absurd. He probably knows that. He probably feels guilty in the fact that he's
00:47:40.520
saying, you think I'm a murderer. I think he's probably talking about himself, right? Who are you
00:47:46.500
really talking about here, buddy? Who are you really trying to convince? He probably knows the idea that
00:47:51.160
potential life doesn't mean anything. From the moment of conception, the baby has all of the
00:47:55.840
characteristics of life. And the baby is obviously a human. So it's a human life. And even if we say
00:48:01.840
potential life, what does that even mean? It's not a potential life in the way the sperm or an egg are
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potential lives. It's a complete life. It's a unique human being. So I bet he probably knows that
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deep down. And I bet he probably feels just an extreme amount of guilt. The way to get out of that
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guilt, though, is not to deny, deny, deny, deny. That's what our culture tells us to do. It says,
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don't be ashamed of anything you've ever done. It's not even wrong. Don't even think it's wrong.
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There's no wrong and right. It's cool, man. You know that gnawing guilt that your conscience is
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poking you with all the time? Yeah, just ignore that. Just deaden that with drugs and distractions
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and sex and overwork and whatever. Just don't acknowledge it. That's not going to be a path
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to success or redemption. You need to first acknowledge it. The only way out is through.
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And I think your boyfriend should probably just look himself in the mirror and say,
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you know what? My fiance or my girlfriend thinks I'm a murderer. I guess I am. I guess I am. And I did a
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horrible, horrible thing twice. I did a really horrible thing twice. And maybe I didn't totally know,
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and maybe I did know, but I did it and people do really horrible things. And I can be forgiven and
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I can repent even for that. But first, you've got to acknowledge it. The first step is acknowledging
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that reality. And then, you know what I would recommend? I'd recommend you go to, he go to
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confession. He ask God's forgiveness and he really work on all of that. That's going to be the only way
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out because your concern is totally legitimate. You're going to get married. He's going to
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be the head of your household. And even if he were not the head of household, this would,
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you're talking about the way you're going to raise children. And you're talking about
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some of the most fundamental questions of life and death and what is a human being and what is
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the nature of man. So you really should be on the same page here. And he probably can be,
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and he's probably racked with guilt and he should work through that. And if he gets on the path to
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working through that, then I say, go on, have a happy marriage. If he refuses to work through that,
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I think you're going to see the downsides. You're going to see negative effects of that spread out
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in so many other areas of your marriage. So deal with it. Don't ignore it. Deal with that man in
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