Ep. 1046 - The Strange Case Of Ray Epps
Summary
A New York Times article about Ray Epps and the January 6th riot in Washington, D.C. is getting even weirder. The article is written by Adam Goldman, who was a major propagandist for the FBI-led Russia hoax.
Transcript
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Do you remember Ray Epps? He's one of the stranger figures from the January 6th saga.
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He was the guy who was caught on camera, not only participating in,
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but actually leading the riot into the Capitol.
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Okay, folks, grab the word. As soon as the president's done speaking, we go to the Capitol.
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It's pretty weird behavior. A lot of people thought it was weird at the time.
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You can actually hear them in the first part of that clip.
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And they're saying, no, don't storm the Capitol. This guy's a FED. Don't listen to him.
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Things then got even weirder because after the riot, as federal agents began locking up Midwestern dads
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and Trump-supporting grandmas for getting a little too rowdy in the Capitol rotunda,
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the guy caught on tape inciting the riot was never arrested.
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Well, now things have gotten even weirder because the New York Times has just published a glowing puff piece on him.
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The article is by Adam Goldman, who was a major propagandist for the FBI-led Russia hoax.
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Ray Epps has suffered enormously in the past 10 months
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as right-wing media figures and Republican politicians have baselessly described him
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as a covert government agent who helped to instigate the attack on the Capitol last year.
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During the event, he was videotaped by a right-wing provocateur
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encouraging people to go inside the Capitol on January 6th
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in what he described, even at the time, as a form of peaceful protest.
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every single person who was anywhere near the Capitol on January 6th
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is an insurrectionist and a terrorist that almost overthrew our sacred democracy,
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except for the guy who incited the people to go in there.
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That's what the New York Times wants me to believe.
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but I do know that a New York Times puff piece is not helping his case.
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This puff piece on Ray Epps is particularly ridiculous from the New York Times.
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It's particularly shameless that they tell us all for a year and a half now that anyone who even
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thought about going to Washington, D.C. at all on January 6th is a horrible terrorist who should be
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sent to Gitmo, except for the dude who told everyone to go into the Capitol.
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You're seeing this propaganda throughout our political process, especially when it comes to COVID.
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I told you when Dr. Fauci went into hiding, coincidentally, right around the time that my
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Coincidentally, right around the time that the Michael Knowles Public Health Protection
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Pledge was going around members of Congress and the congressional candidates around the country.
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All of a sudden, Dr. Fauci disappears from public view.
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I said, don't you think that he's gone forever?
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They are going to bring back COVID before the midterm elections.
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Here comes Dr. Fauci admitting that maybe the vaccines haven't been totally super duper effective
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so far, and that's why we've got another round of COVID.
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There's no doubt that the vaccines themselves, particularly vaccine plus a booster, at the
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appropriate time when you become eligible for a booster, for more than one booster, if you're
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over 50 years old, you get eligibility for two boosters.
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One of the things that's clear from the data, that even though vaccines, because of the high
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degree of transmissibility of this virus, don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection,
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they protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death.
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And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even
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though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in
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protecting me from progressing to severe disease.
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And that's very likely why I had a relatively mild course.
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The vaccines don't work, which is why you need to get more vaccines to protect yourself
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against the virus that the vaccines don't protect you against overly well.
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The vaccines do not protect against infection overly well.
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The secretary of HHS got COVID twice in 26 days, I believe it was.
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A number of other very prominent people who are vaxxed and boosted.
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Not only are they infected, but they get infected multiple times in a very short period of time.
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And so now the propagandists have to move the goalposts.
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Fauci says, listen, look, the vaccines don't protect overly well against infection,
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but I promise you right now, trust me, everybody, they protect really well against it being worse.
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It's that phrase that everyone has to recite when they get COVID, even though they're vaxxed and
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They say, well, yes, while I contracted COVID, I'm so grateful that I'm vaxxed and boosted because I
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know, based on nothing, that had I not been vaxxed and boosted, it would have been so much worse.
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And the way that they get away with this is they pretend that they didn't originally tell you
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that the vaccines were going to stop you from catching COVID.
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I tried to dig them back up because I remembered that they talked about that.
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And I pulled up all my old links that I had for it.
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They have been burying this thing on the internet.
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Accounts that posted this on social media, they've killed the accounts.
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I had to go back to an old episode of my show to find the clips that had previously been on the
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internet that had been scrubbed from the internet, in which Fauci and Walensky and Biden and all of
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the rest of them promised you that if you got the COVID vaccine, you would not be infected with the
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You're not going to you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.
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Everyone who takes the vaccine is not just protecting themselves, but reducing their
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transmission to other people and allowing society to get back to normal.
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And when you're due for your second, get your second shot.
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A key goal is to stop the transmission, to get the immunity levels up so that you get
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almost no almost no infection going on whatsoever.
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When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected.
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When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected.
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We never told you that the vaccines would protect against infection.
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The vaccines were never supposed to protect you against infection.
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They were never supposed to protect you against infection or transmission.
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The purpose of the vaccines was always to mitigate the risk of hospitalization or death.
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What about those clips of Walensky and Biden and Fauci all telling you that the point of
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the vaccines was to stop you from infection and that they would stop you from being infected
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Other than on this show, I challenge you to find those clips anywhere else on the internet.
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They're probably going to scrub this episode because of that.
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The vaccines were never supposed to stop you from infection.
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The vaccines were never supposed to stop transmission.
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And so now that they've accomplished that part, now they're moving on to part two, which
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is COVID's coming back and you all need to mask up again.
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Good news is that we have the capability and the tools to address it, and we just need
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For example, getting vaccinated if you're not primarily vaccinated.
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And when you're in an area where you have a high dynamic of infection, and we're not talking
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about mandating anything, but we're saying recommending people when they are in indoor
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Those are simple, doable things that can help prevent us from having even more of a
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He'll be talking about mandating things in about three weeks.
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And then he'll tell you, no, I never said we're not going to mandate anything.
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And then it's going to go on and on like a frog in water.
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They're just turning it up, starting with, oh, actually, the COVID variants are back.
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Oh, actually, you're going to want to get your extra booster.
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Oh, maybe you're going to want to put that mask on again.
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Oh, maybe you're going to want to stand six feet apart.
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Oh, maybe you're going to want to mail in your vote and not show up.
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Because, because, you know, some people told you so, and some people put their Nostradamus
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And because COVID is the only issue on which this administration is even slightly above water,
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and it's the issue that makes it easiest to cheat in the election by being able to extend
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If Joe Biden were doing really, really well in his administration, you would not have the push to bring back COVID.
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But because Joe Biden is doing extremely poorly, you are going to see more of a push to bring back COVID.
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Because if you bring back COVID, that's the best chance that the Democrats have of not experiencing a complete political bloodbath in November.
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He gives a little speech about how important it is to keep alive the honor of the Holocaust.
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I will once more return to the hollow ground of Yad Shavim Vashem to honor 6 million Jewish lives who were stolen in the genocide.
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And continue, which we must do every, every day, continue to bear witness.
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To keep alive the truth and honor of the Holocaust, horror of the Holocaust.
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We've had a lot of these Biden gaffes recently.
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But because now he is senile, he's doing it pretty much every time he speaks.
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He is reading things on the teleprompter he's not supposed to read.
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He stumbles around parties and no one wants to talk to him.
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And it's caught on camera and it's very embarrassing.
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If that were all that were going on, they would lock Joe Biden in a closet just like they did during the campaign.
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And the technocrats and the apparatchiks would run the government.
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And the Democrats would not be completely destroyed in November.
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The problem is that everything in the country right now is falling to pot.
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The stuff that you buy is 9.1% more expensive this year than it was last year.
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And then the next month you hit record inflation.
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And the analysts at Dow Jones predict an 8.8% inflation rate.
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And it even blows past those horrible estimates to 9.1% on the consumer price index.
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This is devastating news for the Democrats and for the American people.
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And inflation hits people at the lower end of the income spectrum much, much harder.
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So it's particularly painful for working class Americans, ordinary Americans.
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I think Democrats thought that the overruling of Roe v. Wade was going to give them a big excitement boost in November.
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And it's split between pro-life and pro-abortion.
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And especially when you're looking at record high inflation, people are struggling to feed their families.
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And there is no social issue that the Democrats are going to be able to gin up to get over that.
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You want to talk about Democrat financial mismanagement?
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You're seeing this in another goody that they're trying to give out, student loans.
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A lot of the Democrats, the really prominent Democrats who are pushing for student loan forgiveness,
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They've got a little bit of a conflict of interest because they themselves are carrying a bunch of student debt.
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AOC, who is one of the people leading the charge,
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she has between $17,000 and $50,000 worth of student loan debt,
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And she says, it's so terrible that I have all this student loan debt.
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I took out all this debt to go to a college where I didn't really learn very much,
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And then I just went back and was a bartender afterward.
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She said, I couldn't even go to grad school because I knew it would require me to take out so much more debt.
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As if AOC, whatever education AOC got today with educational standards so far below what they once were.
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It's probably the equivalent of an eighth grade education 50 or 60 years ago.
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And Professor AOC, Dr. AOC was not able to go to college.
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Rashida Tlaib, who again, I don't want to be rude or mean.
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If a strong wind blew through her left ear, it would whistle out her right ear.
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Rashida Tlaib has between $70,000 and $100,000 of student loan debt.
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It's actually probably significantly higher in the House.
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I would imagine student loan debt is more concentrated in the House of Representatives.
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The move to forgive student loans is self-serving.
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And it's particularly self-serving because people who have college degrees and advanced degrees
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And so you're asking the American people as a whole to pay for the poor financial decisions
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of people who are statistically more likely to make more money than the average American.
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It was a poor financial decision for AOC and Rashida Tlaib.
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But I don't want to just say it's all the fault of the individual.
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You should make sure when you go into debt that you are going to get a good return on that investment.
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And I don't just mean majoring in some engineering degree or studying a trade or something.
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College education, liberal education is a wonderful thing if it's not training you for a job.
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The purpose of a liberal education is just to train you to make sense of your own freedom
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and to read lots of old dusty books that are not directly applicable to any job.
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And I think that is worth something, absolutely.
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So you can quantify a return on investment in a lot of different ways.
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But right now, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, they're not getting any of that.
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I mean, they're not getting a high caliber education.
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They're taking out tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt to do it.
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The debt problem is a big issue because debt is slavery.
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When we have a society where people are mired in debt, that compromises people's freedom.
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Because when you are in debt, you have got to service that debt and you've got to,
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that will dictate the kinds of decisions you can make.
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I do think, I agree at least in part in principle with the people who are saying we need to do
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We need to do something about the cost of college.
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But I don't think the answer to that is just forgive everybody's student loan debt.
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All you're going to do then is incentivize these horrible leftist colleges to keep hiking
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the price of tuition because they know the taxpayers are going to foot the bill.
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You're encouraging more people who have absolutely no business in a college classroom like AOC
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and Rashida Tlaib to go and get these useless degrees in gender studies or whatever,
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sociology or something, and learn nothing but leftist indoctrination for four years and then
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go out and become more likely to be Democrats and vote for the Democrat Party.
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We'll maybe do a show in the future on how to deal with the debt problem.
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But we have to address the problem in such a way that it does not incentivize more of
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what got us into this place in the first place.
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We need, if we solve the debt problem, we need to do it in such a way that brings the
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colleges into line that does not just create a factory for Democrats and does not stick the
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whole bill on the taxpayers. Got to figure out a way. I mean, if you think about the way
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that we in the West considered debt until the modern era, until the 16th or 17th century,
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there was a prohibition on usury. There was a prohibition on charging interest on loans that
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were not productive. So you can charge interest on loans if the loan is going to be invested in
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some project that is going to return a big profit. The people who invest in that project have a right
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to receive some share of the profits there. But on an unproductive loan, if you charge interest,
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that is usury. And the loans that we are seeing for college these days are in many cases not
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productive. You do not get a return on that investment. So I think we need to go a little
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bit deeper than just, well, you took out the debt. That's your problem. Go get a job kit.
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We've got to go a little bit deeper than that and realize this is a social problem that's going to
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you. We will be right back with a lot more. Joe Biden is spending our money very stupidly.
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The Democrats in Congress want to spend our money very stupidly for giving all of their student loans.
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There are people in this country who are still using money well. Truly one of the best examples
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of this I could cite. It's a Texas company that is paying employees not to have abortions.
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So you've heard all these stories ever since the overruling of Roe v. Wade of woke companies,
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and even not woke companies, even Tesla is doing this. Lots and lots of companies are offering to pay
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for the travel expenses of employees who want to go out and have abortions in other states.
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And it's so self-serving. One, it keeps these companies in the good graces of the woke mob,
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but two, it's self-serving because it's a lot cheaper for these companies to encourage their
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employees to kill their children than to have to pay them for maternity leave, than to risk the
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employees not being quite so focused on their jobs because they're thinking about their kids,
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and maybe they got to leave early one day to go pick Johnny up from school because he got sick.
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And that's just a big headache for companies. They want to keep you barren, sterile. They want
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your kids dead, and they want you sitting in front of a desk doing spreadsheets, not spending any time
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with your family, spending all of your time working for some other guy so that you can get a paycheck,
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so that you, if you do have kids, can pay some other woman to raise your kids. That's what they want,
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okay? And so they've got all of these financial incentives to encourage you to kill your kids.
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This great Texas company is paying employees $7,500 to choose adoption. It says,
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these businesses are ignoring the possibility that many employees may simply need a little more help
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to carry their baby to term instead of blindly paying people to end an unborn child's life.
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Companies should consider paying them to welcome that life into the world. This is according to
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the CEO of this company. I forget his first name, but his last name is Rex. It says, that's why my
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business has decided to give up $7,500 for employees who want to have their baby and give it up for
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adoption. For me, the motivation is equal parts personal and professional on the former front.
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I'm passionately pro-life, yet there's also a strong corporate case to be made against abortion.
00:28:55.480
And so I really like this argument that he's making. He's saying, obviously, I'm very pro-life,
00:29:00.840
but there's a business decision here too. And he points out, women who have abortions
00:29:08.100
often open themselves up to all sorts of mental health problems.
00:29:13.120
Now, is this really the motivation for this policy? Not really. The motivation for the policy
00:29:16.880
is to save babies because it's the right thing to do. But he's pointing out, there is a corporate cost
00:29:22.020
here too. Because when women kill their children, that gives them a trauma. It's very hard for them.
00:29:28.520
They've got to process that. Especially if they don't realize what they're doing at the time,
00:29:32.260
or if they haven't fully appreciated what they're doing at the time. Later on, they realize, oh my
00:29:35.800
gosh, I killed my child. Of course, that's going to give women all sorts of problems. I'm speaking
00:29:41.500
anecdotally here, but the plural of anecdote is data. I know women, I've got women in my family and
00:29:48.320
friends who have had abortions. I suspect all of us do. And the women who have had abortions,
00:29:55.300
especially the ones who have had multiple abortions, they have problems. They've got
00:30:00.500
a lot of problems dealing with that grief. Some of them have become pro-life and they realize how
00:30:06.960
terrible it is what they did. Some of them still support abortion and they haven't quite admitted
00:30:12.400
that to themselves and they still have lots of problems. And so this guy says, for business reasons,
00:30:16.980
for ethical reasons, I'm going to support adoption. Really, really wonderful stuff. I hope a lot more
00:30:25.920
companies do that as well. Meanwhile, the Dems are doubling down on abortion on demand without
00:30:30.840
apology. The House has been holding these hearings on abortion. The House Democrats called an abortion
00:30:38.700
witness, Sarah Lopez, who said abortion is not just a necessary evil. Abortion is the best decision I ever
00:30:45.500
made. What these restrictions are intended to do is try and make people, try and stop people from
00:30:51.600
having abortions. But abortion is healthcare. My abortion was the best decision I ever made.
00:30:57.160
It was an act of self-love. And I'm here today to make sure that everybody who currently needs an
00:31:02.560
abortion, who has had an abortion or will need an abortion is not alone, no matter what the state
00:31:07.760
tries to force upon us. It's the best decision that I ever made, she said. I honor my abortion.
00:31:17.400
If you look this woman up, she has her testimony of how much she loves abortion. She says, I honor my
00:31:24.540
abortion by no longer giving an SHIT about what people will think if they know I've had an abortion
00:31:29.320
that goes for friends and family. I've spent way too much of my life trying to please people. I love my
00:31:33.780
abortion and I will remain unapologetic because it's the best decision I've ever made. The best
00:31:37.640
decision? I wish I would have known that the shame that I felt after my abortion was due to harmful
00:31:43.180
restrictions in Texas that are put in place to stigmatize abortion, not because I did anything
00:31:48.440
wrong. From the moment I found out I was pregnant, I knew I didn't want to have a child. And almost five
00:31:52.460
years later, I've never regretted my abortion, all capital letters, she writes. But it took me a long
00:31:56.960
time to reclaim my sense of self because the patriarchal society tells us our bodies are not ours. So there you
00:32:01.200
go. Now you realize. When you hear this woman speak in the testimony, you think, the best decision you
00:32:09.940
ever made? I could understand. Maybe you say it was a good decision. I don't regret this. But it's the best
00:32:15.400
decision. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. And then here she admits, yeah, I felt a lot of shame
00:32:22.020
after my abortion. But that's only because of the patriarchy and the society and the unfair stigma. No, darling,
00:32:31.200
it's your conscience is what it is. It's because of the moral reality that even you with your conscience
00:32:37.600
that has maybe been dulled and deadened by leftist ideology is still able to perceive and you know it's
00:32:42.780
awful and you know you've murdered your child. And what did it give you? What did you get? What was the
00:32:48.080
reward for murdering your child? Now you get to be a shill for the liberal establishment that seeks to
00:32:54.520
convince lots of other women to kill their babies so that they can be more productive in the
00:32:57.760
neoliberal marketplace and you get to prattle on for an afternoon in front of a bunch of
00:33:03.320
degenerate members of Congress. And then you'll, your 15 minutes will be up and you'll go back to
00:33:09.200
obscurity. And that's what you get. Was that worth it? Was that really worth it? You don't regret it at
00:33:14.100
all? You sure are talking about this a lot for someone who doesn't regret this decision. Oh, this was
00:33:19.600
no big deal. Not, it doesn't bother me in the least. Well, then how come you keep talking about how
00:33:23.860
little it bothers you? Who are you trying to convince? Who are you trying to convince?
00:33:28.600
You're not convincing me. You're not convincing, I think, most people in the audience. Something
00:33:33.260
tells me you're not convincing yourself either. I'm not convincing the American people. You know,
00:33:40.160
this, the momentum is clearly on the side of pro-life here. You see it legally. You see it
00:33:47.220
politically. You see it from the elected representatives. You see it happening in the states.
00:33:51.200
Libs are very upset because they're losing their, their tight grip over this abortion regime. So
00:33:57.600
the DOJ, what's the DOJ trying to do right now? They're launching a task force to protect women's
00:34:03.980
reproductive rights. This just came out, story, story from Reuters. And they're saying, okay,
00:34:12.360
the U.S. Department of Justice unveils a new task force that aims to protect women's reproductive rights.
00:34:18.800
The task force will be chaired by the Associate Attorney General, Vanita Gupta,
00:34:24.400
to monitor and evaluate state laws that will threaten to infringe on federal legal protections
00:34:30.860
related to reproductive health care, by which they mean abortion. But there is no constitutional right
00:34:37.920
to an abortion. That's what the Supreme Court has declared. Those federal legal protections for abortion
00:34:42.860
are pretty flimsy. The states are going to, are going to protect life. And there's relatively very little
00:34:49.100
that the federal government can do about that. There is one interesting aspect to this though.
00:34:55.240
And you see it in the Reuters article. They say, although abortion is the focus of many state laws,
00:35:01.300
reproductive health care advocates have warned that some of these bills could have far wider reaching
00:35:05.620
implications for women's health beyond the procedure itself, beyond abortion. Some of the state bills,
00:35:11.020
for instance, recognize personhood from the moment of fertilization, a definition that could hamper
00:35:15.960
in vitro fertilization treatments in which doctors collect and fertilize a woman's eggs in hopes of
00:35:21.340
finding a viable embryo for transfer into her uterus. This is a great point. And if the Democrats were smart,
00:35:27.460
if the pro-abortion people were smart, this is the area that they would really focus on if they're
00:35:32.220
attacking the pro-life movement, if they're attacking conservatives, and if they're attacking
00:35:36.840
the personhood laws that defend life from the very beginning. Because, and I alluded to this a few
00:35:44.280
days ago on the show, but it's going to become a more important issue as this debate moves past,
00:35:49.060
should we overrule Roe v. Wade and moves into the next phase of the pro-life bioethical discussion.
00:35:53.760
If our argument is that a person is a person from the very moment of conception,
00:36:01.060
then it is very difficult for conservatives to defend in vitro fertilization. Because in vitro
00:36:07.580
fertilization creates lots of moments of conception. And it does so not in the conjugal act, not in the
00:36:16.680
old-fashioned way, which is a lot of fun, but in a test tube. And then in practice, I'm not saying this
00:36:21.660
is always what has to happen necessarily, but in practice, this is virtually always what happens.
00:36:26.580
In in vitro fertilization, a lot of embryos are created and they're put in a freezer and they're
00:36:32.420
locked away. And then some are implanted. And sometimes even if too many embryos attach and
00:36:40.960
grow within the womb, sometimes abortions will take place. Sometimes abortion will be recommended
00:36:47.400
because they'll say, well, you know, you've got now quadruplets and you can't carry that. That's
00:36:52.160
not safe. And so it involves that. But even if abortion doesn't take place, do we really think
00:36:57.160
that it is acceptable to lock up a bunch of human beings in a freezer indefinitely? No. And one way
00:37:05.320
that some people have tried to make sense of this or tried to rectify this obvious evil is through
00:37:11.200
something called embryo adoption, which has bioethical concerns in and of itself, where people will adopt
00:37:16.900
embryos that are right now frozen in freezers and implant them in their own wombs. You don't really
00:37:21.960
know who the parents are. You grow the baby and then raise the baby as your own. That's one way to
00:37:27.500
get around it. But you're still stuck with the intrinsic evil of creating a whole lot of human
00:37:35.220
beings basically just to be put in a freezer forever. And I know that a lot of conservatives like
00:37:42.160
in vitro fertilization. A lot of conservatives have personally benefited from in vitro fertilization
00:37:46.520
because they were having fertility problems and maybe they couldn't conceive naturally. And so
00:37:52.600
this was an option for them to get the baby that they so desperately wanted. But it's an option that
00:37:58.120
has a whole lot of bioethical problems with it. And I think when we examine the issue really closely and
00:38:04.380
the libs are already starting to do this and they're starting to point to this moral incoherence
00:38:08.560
that the conservatives have right now. I think when you look at the issue closely, you have to
00:38:13.760
see that a situation in which if we truly believe human beings are human beings from the very
00:38:18.920
beginning, it is extremely evil to create lots and lots of human beings to lock up in a refrigerator
00:38:27.200
for the foreseeable future. We can't tolerate that. Even if conservatives don't want to have
00:38:34.120
this conversation, it will be had. You're seeing the liberals already begin to poke at this. You're
00:38:39.380
seeing the federal government already begin to poke at this. You're seeing the media finally
00:38:42.480
beginning to poke at this. Conservatives need to have a good answer here. And I'm not sure that the
00:38:47.580
right has fully thought through IVF or at least large portions of the right. I'm not sure that
00:38:51.980
they've fully thought through this. Speaking of the welfare of children, a major development
00:38:57.540
in the alleged case of a rape of a child in Ohio. This was a story, we talked about it on the show a few
00:39:05.840
days ago, and most conservatives, myself included, did not believe the story when it first came out.
00:39:11.280
The story didn't quite add up. And the story was that there was a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who was
00:39:17.960
raped, and then she was not able to get an abortion. And Joe Biden said that her life might
00:39:23.800
have been at risk, and she couldn't get an abortion in Ohio. And therefore, she had to go to Indiana to
00:39:28.800
get an abortion because she really, really wanted to get an abortion. And the story just didn't really
00:39:33.320
add up. The media were reporting on it in really weird ways. There were basically no sources here.
00:39:38.000
The Ohio Attorney General looked into this, and there weren't reports of this crime. That wasn't
00:39:43.380
really coming up. The pro-abortion activist who first planted the story wasn't answering a lot
00:39:49.140
of questions about it. Actually, in Ohio, if the girl were at risk, if her life were at risk,
00:39:57.000
she could have had an abortion in Ohio, so it wouldn't have made sense that she had to go to
00:39:59.900
Indiana if that were the case. So it didn't really add up. But a suspect has been arrested
00:40:04.720
in a rape that doesn't entirely fit the narrative we were told, but broadly speaking does check the
00:40:12.300
boxes and does seem to fit this story. So then the question was, well, I guess the conservatives just
00:40:17.160
got it wrong. But hold on. Why was the story being reported in such a strange way in the first place?
00:40:23.080
You didn't get the location. You didn't get any corroboration. You didn't get any reports of the
00:40:28.400
crime itself. What was going on here? Now we have one possible answer as to why the story was being
00:40:34.920
reported in such a weird way. Again, there's still a lot of questions with this story, but we have one
00:40:39.800
possible answer, which is the suspect who was arrested in connection with the rape is an illegal
00:40:47.220
alien. This illegal alien, Gershon Fuentes, 27 years old of Columbus, Ohio, was arrested
00:40:54.520
Tuesday and charged with first degree rape of raping, actually almost certainly a nine-year-old
00:41:02.000
girl who then now is 10 years old, but she had just turned 10 years old when the story really came to
00:41:06.940
light. So it might have been even a 27-year-old illegal alien raping a nine-year-old girl. And then
00:41:11.000
it starts to make sense. If the story, and again, the details keep changing here, but if the story
00:41:16.820
broadly is true, why would the media report on it in such a strange way? Oh, because they were
00:41:21.300
covering up for an illegal alien. And this is something you've got to remember. It actually ties
00:41:26.040
right in with the New York Times story about Ray Epps at the beginning. It's not even about
00:41:32.980
is Ray Epps a Fed or is Ray Epps not a Fed. In this case of this horrible rape in Ohio, it's not even
00:41:38.260
about what exactly happened, where exactly did it happen. The first question you've got to ask, and this
00:41:44.040
is a lesson for conservatives too, we have to remember this, the first question you've always
00:41:47.820
got to ask when you see these stories is, what is the angle of the media? Why are the media reporting
00:41:56.340
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00:42:02.320
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delivered. Speaking of helping women, speaking of women's issues, Elizabeth Warren, Liawatha,
00:42:49.520
Focahontas herself, Senator High Cheekbones, is introducing legislation to, not to help women,
00:43:00.700
not to give women a choice, not to support all that choice and women's lib that she always prattles
00:43:06.140
on about. She's introducing legislation to shut down crisis pregnancy centers.
00:43:12.360
In Massachusetts, right now, those crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people who are
00:43:22.740
looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber true abortion clinics by three to one. We need to
00:43:31.500
shut them down here in Massachusetts, and we need to shut them down all around the country.
00:43:35.840
You should not be able to torture a pregnant person like that.
00:43:42.360
You're torturing a pregnant person, she says, formerly known as a woman, a mother. You're
00:43:49.180
torturing a mother, she says, if you offer her free or extremely low-cost resources to take care
00:43:55.880
of her child. Crisis pregnancy centers are wonderful. They are actual pregnancy centers to help actual
00:44:03.040
pregnant women without killing their children. The one thing you can't get at a crisis pregnancy center
00:44:08.500
is killing your children. Just like how at Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood pretends to be
00:44:15.700
a big pregnancy center that serves all women and all sorts of women's health care, but you can't get
00:44:20.960
all sorts of women's health care at Planned Parenthood. Their chief product is abortion. So if you want to
00:44:26.520
kill your kid, you go to Planned Parenthood. If you want help with your pregnancy, if you're a struggling
00:44:31.040
mother and you want help during the pregnancy itself or with birth or just afterward for young
00:44:39.780
mothers, you go to a crisis pregnancy center. I have had the privilege of speaking with all sorts
00:44:45.500
of crisis pregnancy centers. They do, truly, they do God's work on earth. Liz Warren wants to shut them
00:44:51.560
down. Why? Because she doesn't want a choice. At the very least, we've got to get rid of this pro-choice
00:44:56.740
moniker. They do not want a choice. They want you to kill your kid. They do not want you to just
00:45:03.480
make an informed decision. They don't want you to make an informed decision. They want to shut down
00:45:07.600
the centers that will take care of you if you want to keep your child, and they want to federally fund
00:45:12.820
the centers that will help you kill your child. That's it. It reminds me of this conversation
00:45:19.220
between Betty Friedan, the American feminist, and Simone de Beauvoir, who was the strumpet of Jean-Paul
00:45:24.820
Sartre, and she was a French feminist. They had a debate over whether or not women should have the
00:45:30.140
choice to stay at home. Betty Friedan said, yeah, if a woman wants to go work, she can. If she wants
00:45:34.360
to stay at home, she can. That's great. She can have the choice. Simone de Beauvoir said, no, she can't
00:45:38.880
have the choice to stay home. If women have the choice to stay home, they'll take that choice nine
00:45:43.400
times out of ten, and that's not conducive to liberation. We have to force them to go to the
00:45:47.120
workplace. Liz Warren is saying we have to force them to kill their kids, basically. If a woman is poor,
00:45:52.040
if she's in trouble, if she's worried, if she's anxious, it's an unexpected pregnancy. We need
00:45:57.560
to force her to kill the baby. We can't give her the choice because it's all about power. And more
00:46:05.260
broadly, it's about serving a broader system. It's not about a woman's individual choice.
00:46:12.540
All about power. We need to reintroduce logic and reason to the discussion.
00:46:17.760
The left broadly has been trying to take logic and reason out of our politics. That's why they're
00:46:25.100
taking away the meaning of all the words. If words don't have meaning anymore, or if the meanings of
00:46:30.280
words change every single day, then we can't communicate. We can't have a civil dialogue.
00:46:34.160
We can't have reason debate. Politics ceases to be this reasoned process of figuring out how best
00:46:40.840
we can live the good life and how we can have a flourishing country. And it becomes a bare-knuckle
00:46:45.660
brawl for raw interest and will. I want it, and I want it now, and that's why I'm going to get it.
00:46:51.760
That's not a good way to do politics. We need to reintroduce logic, especially to this discussion
00:46:56.560
around abortion. Do you know where we're hearing this from? Not just from the conservatives in
00:47:02.800
America, not just from the right-wingers. We're even hearing this from the Holy Father, from the Pope,
00:47:08.500
who is not the most conservative guy in the world. Some people think he's very, very far to the left,
00:47:15.540
and he has said and done things that would justify that belief. Even the Pope was just asked about
00:47:22.560
Joe Biden's stance on abortion, how Joe Biden supports abortion. And here is what Pope Francis
00:47:31.000
said about this. He said, let Biden talk to his pastor about that incoherence. He called, and frankly,
00:47:39.500
I sort of wish that Pope Francis were even tougher here and were even more clear. But this phrase is
00:47:46.420
pretty clear. He's saying that Joe Biden's defense of abortion is incoherence. And it is incoherence.
00:47:52.200
To defend abortion is incoherent. For someone who enjoys the right to life, to advocate denying the
00:48:02.540
right to life is intrinsically incoherent. You might say it's satanic. There's a video going around. I
00:48:08.760
have to get to this video. I meant to get to it yesterday. Of a young woman giggling over abortion.
00:48:16.540
So this woman, she's got all sorts of face tattoos. She's got a satanic symbol on her chest.
00:48:24.480
And she's watching a video of a kind of satanic, demonic-looking figure killing and torturing a
00:48:30.760
baby. And she's laughing, and she's giggling, and she's getting a really big kick out of it. And she
00:48:34.360
says, it's my favorite TikTok I've seen this week. Ha, ha, ha. There are all sorts of secular
00:48:41.240
explanations for this. The libs and some of the conservatives even will say, oh, this is really,
00:48:45.940
this is about leftism. This is about progressivism. This is about Marxism. This is about,
00:48:52.700
this is a metaphor. They're trying to metaphorize everything. You know, Satan's really just a
00:48:56.600
metaphor for man's natural capacity for evil. Sometimes, guys, it's just the devil. And actually,
00:49:05.500
it's kind of like that IQ bell curve, I mean, at the bottom end of the IQ curve, they say,
00:49:09.960
duh, everything is about the goodness of God. And there's the evil of the devil. And
00:49:15.820
we got to, we got to pursue God. Right. And then the people in the middle, the midwits,
00:49:20.400
they say, well, actually, you know, it's a metaphor. And it's a metaphor for this aspect
00:49:24.300
of the internal turmoil and chaos of man's soul. Then you get up to the really smart guys
00:49:28.800
at the top and they say, no, it's really, it's just about good versus evil. It's just
00:49:31.780
about God and the temptations of the devil. And you got to pursue God. And that's what this
00:49:35.780
is about. People have been worshiping the devil for a lot longer than there has been
00:49:44.640
leftism or Marxism. They all kind of play into the same thing, but every culture everywhere around
00:49:51.080
the world has had some conception of God and some conception of the devil. Reminds me of that line
00:49:56.940
from Antonin Scalia, where he was being mocked by a New York magazine reporter. And the reporter said,
00:50:02.740
what, you believe in heaven and hell? He goes, uh-huh, I do. He says, you know, I even believe
00:50:07.120
in the devil. And she, he said, you're looking at me like I'm weird. Do you realize that most people
00:50:11.780
throughout history have believed in, in the devil, that the devil exists? Do you, do you realize that
00:50:18.760
many more intelligent people than you and me have believed that the devil exists? It's a very
00:50:23.960
important line. It's a very important thing to remember when we're, when we're trying to make sense
00:50:27.740
of these political problems. Sometimes, listen to the, the dumb guy at the end of the IQ bell curve
00:50:33.460
meme. Sometimes, all the time, actually, it really does come down to good versus evil. Those things
00:50:40.280
that we try to write away as abstractions and metaphors and just mirror images, those have
00:50:45.580
reality. And we need to deal with that because we are imperiling our country and ourselves if we
00:50:50.240
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Wire 2022. Today on The Matt Walsh Show, another congressional hearing about abortion. This one
00:51:45.840
features liberals refusing to denounce infanticide, refusing to define the word woman, and once again
00:51:50.900
claiming that men can get pregnant has been a very instructive spectacle, if nothing else. Also,
00:51:56.140
AOC is the victim of an outrageous and violent attack after a comedian mildly heckles her for 10
00:52:02.340
seconds. And a parent at a school board meeting is told that it would be illegal to read out loud
00:52:06.700
some of the material that the school board has approved for children in their district to read
00:52:10.700
at school. Plus, Amazon bans me from advertising my book on its platform again, and car companies are
00:52:16.060
now charging you subscription fees to access the features in the vehicle that you already paid for.
00:52:20.420
Talk about all of that and more today on The Matt Walsh Show.