The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1046 - The Strange Case Of Ray Epps

00:00:00.000 Do you remember Ray Epps? He's one of the stranger figures from the January 6th saga.

00:00:07.220 He was the guy who was caught on camera, not only participating in,

00:00:11.980 but actually leading the riot into the Capitol.

00:00:15.500 Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol.

00:00:18.980 Into the Capitol.

00:00:20.520 What?

00:00:24.960 Peacefully.

00:00:25.640 FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED!

00:00:33.320 Okay, folks, grab the word. As soon as the president's done speaking, we go to the Capitol.

00:00:39.500 It's pretty weird behavior. A lot of people thought it was weird at the time.

00:00:43.520 You can actually hear them in the first part of that clip.

00:00:45.360 They're chanting, FED! FED! FED!

00:00:48.740 He's saying, go and storm the Capitol.

00:00:50.580 And they're saying, no, don't storm the Capitol. This guy's a FED. Don't listen to him.

00:00:53.380 Things then got even weirder because after the riot, as federal agents began locking up Midwestern dads

00:01:00.160 and Trump-supporting grandmas for getting a little too rowdy in the Capitol rotunda, 0.93

00:01:05.020 the guy caught on tape inciting the riot was never arrested.

00:01:09.780 Well, now things have gotten even weirder because the New York Times has just published a glowing puff piece on him.

00:01:18.400 The article is by Adam Goldman, who was a major propagandist for the FBI-led Russia hoax.

00:01:24.680 Now, he writes, quote,

00:01:26.580 Ray Epps has suffered enormously in the past 10 months

00:01:30.900 as right-wing media figures and Republican politicians have baselessly described him

00:01:35.980 as a covert government agent who helped to instigate the attack on the Capitol last year.

00:01:40.920 He goes on.

00:01:41.560 During the event, he was videotaped by a right-wing provocateur

00:01:45.900 encouraging people to go inside the Capitol on January 6th

00:01:49.960 in what he described, even at the time, as a form of peaceful protest.

00:01:55.620 But what?

00:01:57.560 Are they, they're defending?

00:02:01.100 According to the New York Times,

00:02:02.720 every single person who was anywhere near the Capitol on January 6th

00:02:08.900 is an insurrectionist and a terrorist that almost overthrew our sacred democracy,

00:02:14.620 except for the guy who incited the people to go in there.

00:02:20.080 He's apparently a great guy for some reason,

00:02:23.260 and we should all stop calling him a Fed.

00:02:25.660 That's what the New York Times wants me to believe.

00:02:29.340 I don't know if Ray Epps is a Fed or not,

00:02:31.800 but I do know that a New York Times puff piece is not helping his case.

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00:04:34.420 The propaganda is going into overdrive.

00:04:37.500 This puff piece on Ray Epps is particularly ridiculous from the New York Times.

00:04:43.640 It's particularly shameless that they tell us all for a year and a half now that anyone who even 0.96

00:04:49.260 thought about going to Washington, D.C. at all on January 6th is a horrible terrorist who should be

00:04:54.620 sent to Gitmo, except for the dude who told everyone to go into the Capitol. 0.93

00:04:57.940 He's a poor put-upon man.

00:04:59.380 He's a victim.

00:05:00.240 Please stop calling him a Fed.

00:05:01.400 But it's not just on Trump.

00:05:03.620 It's not just on January 6th.

00:05:05.240 It's not even just against the Republicans.

00:05:08.240 You're seeing this propaganda throughout our political process, especially when it comes to COVID.

00:05:16.960 So, Dr. Fauci, he's making the rounds again.

00:05:19.500 What did I tell you?

00:05:20.800 You know I hate to say I told you so.

00:05:22.300 I told you when Dr. Fauci went into hiding, coincidentally, right around the time that my

00:05:26.120 documentary, Fauci Unmasked, came out.

00:05:27.720 Coincidentally, right around the time that the Michael Knowles Public Health Protection

00:05:30.840 Pledge was going around members of Congress and the congressional candidates around the country.

00:05:35.520 All of a sudden, Dr. Fauci disappears from public view.

00:05:38.120 I said, don't you think that he's gone forever?

00:05:40.200 He's going to come back.

00:05:41.580 They are going to bring back COVID before the midterm elections.

00:05:45.040 And what do you know?

00:05:46.880 Here comes Dr. Fauci admitting that maybe the vaccines haven't been totally super duper effective

00:05:56.440 so far, and that's why we've got another round of COVID.

00:06:00.040 There's no doubt that the vaccines themselves, particularly vaccine plus a booster, at the

00:06:07.240 appropriate time when you become eligible for a booster, for more than one booster, if you're

00:06:12.300 over 50 years old, you get eligibility for two boosters.

00:06:16.380 One of the things that's clear from the data, that even though vaccines, because of the high

00:06:22.300 degree of transmissibility of this virus, don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection,

00:06:29.360 they protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death.

00:06:35.940 And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even

00:06:42.080 though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in

00:06:49.020 protecting me from progressing to severe disease.

00:06:52.100 And that's very likely why I had a relatively mild course.

00:06:56.540 The vaccines don't work, which is why you need to get more vaccines to protect yourself

00:07:00.940 against the virus that the vaccines don't protect you against overly well.

00:07:05.760 You follow that?

00:07:06.740 My head is spinning.

00:07:08.080 I love that.

00:07:09.320 Listen here.

00:07:10.900 The vaccines do not protect against infection overly well.

00:07:16.660 You could drop the overly well.

00:07:18.140 They don't protect against infection.

00:07:20.580 It doesn't.

00:07:21.880 Fauci got COVID.

00:07:22.900 Maxine Waters got COVID twice in two months.

00:07:24.880 The secretary of HHS got COVID twice in 26 days, I believe it was.

00:07:32.280 Xavier Becerra.

00:07:34.060 A number of other very prominent people who are vaxxed and boosted.

00:07:38.160 Not only are they infected, but they get infected multiple times in a very short period of time.

00:07:43.980 And so now the propagandists have to move the goalposts.

00:07:47.480 Fauci says, listen, look, the vaccines don't protect overly well against infection,

00:07:52.580 but I promise you right now, trust me, everybody, they protect really well against it being worse.

00:07:59.640 It's that phrase that everyone has to recite when they get COVID, even though they're vaxxed and

00:08:03.360 boosted.

00:08:04.200 They say, well, yes, while I contracted COVID, I'm so grateful that I'm vaxxed and boosted because I

00:08:10.240 know, based on nothing, that had I not been vaxxed and boosted, it would have been so much worse.

00:08:16.060 And the way that they get away with this is they pretend that they didn't originally tell you

00:08:21.380 that the vaccines were going to stop you from catching COVID.

00:08:24.100 They are memory holing all of those clips.

00:08:26.740 I tried to dig them back up because I remembered that they talked about that.

00:08:30.900 And I pulled up all my old links that I had for it.

00:08:33.100 The links are dead.

00:08:33.980 They have been burying this thing on the internet.

00:08:36.380 Accounts that posted this on social media, they've killed the accounts.

00:08:39.520 I had to go back to an old episode of my show to find the clips that had previously been on the

00:08:44.940 internet that had been scrubbed from the internet, in which Fauci and Walensky and Biden and all of

00:08:50.820 the rest of them promised you that if you got the COVID vaccine, you would not be infected with the

00:08:55.680 virus.

00:08:56.540 You're OK.

00:08:57.500 You're not going to you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.

00:09:01.340 These vaccines are highly, highly effective.

00:09:05.160 Vaccinated people do not carry the virus.

00:09:07.580 Don't get sick.

00:09:08.700 They're really, really good against variants.

00:09:10.740 Everyone who takes the vaccine is not just protecting themselves, but reducing their

00:09:15.360 transmission to other people and allowing society to get back to normal.

00:09:19.880 Get your first shot.

00:09:20.900 And when you're due for your second, get your second shot.

00:09:22.980 A key goal is to stop the transmission, to get the immunity levels up so that you get

00:09:27.320 almost no almost no infection going on whatsoever.

00:09:31.680 When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected.

00:09:35.560 When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected.

00:09:41.920 What are you talking about?

00:09:42.780 We never told you that the vaccines would protect against infection.

00:09:46.780 No, no.

00:09:47.760 That and liberals.

00:09:50.520 Gotta love them.

00:09:52.100 They will tell you with a straight face.

00:09:53.940 The vaccines were never supposed to protect you against infection.

00:09:56.520 No, no.

00:09:57.440 Oceania was always at war with East Asia. 0.56

00:09:59.420 They were never supposed to protect you against infection or transmission.

00:10:02.660 The purpose of the vaccines was always to mitigate the risk of hospitalization or death.

00:10:10.440 What about those clips of Walensky and Biden and Fauci all telling you that the point of

00:10:14.740 the vaccines was to stop you from infection and that they would stop you from being infected

00:10:19.620 with the virus?

00:10:20.980 Well, those clips are gone.

00:10:22.180 Other than on this show, I challenge you to find those clips anywhere else on the internet.

00:10:27.060 I don't think you will.

00:10:27.940 They're probably going to scrub this episode because of that.

00:10:30.560 And so this is how the propaganda works.

00:10:34.300 They just rewrite history.

00:10:35.620 They memory hole all the old stuff.

00:10:37.740 The vaccines were never supposed to stop you from infection.

00:10:40.720 The vaccines were never supposed to stop transmission.

00:10:43.340 Ray Epps is definitely not a Fed.

00:10:45.340 Move along, move along.

00:10:46.860 Nothing to see here.

00:10:48.540 And so now that they've accomplished that part, now they're moving on to part two, which

00:10:51.640 is COVID's coming back and you all need to mask up again.

00:10:53.780 Good news is that we have the capability and the tools to address it, and we just need

00:11:01.120 to utilize those tools.

00:11:03.100 For example, getting vaccinated if you're not primarily vaccinated.

00:11:07.600 If you're due for a booster, use a booster.

00:11:10.740 And when you're in an area where you have a high dynamic of infection, and we're not talking

00:11:15.460 about mandating anything, but we're saying recommending people when they are in indoor

00:11:20.740 congregate settings to wear a mask.

00:11:24.160 Those are simple, doable things that can help prevent us from having even more of a

00:11:29.820 problem than we're having right now.

00:11:31.720 He's not talking about mandating anything yet.

00:11:34.840 He'll be talking about mandating things in about three weeks.

00:11:37.720 And then he'll tell you, no, I never said we're not going to mandate anything.

00:11:40.220 And then it's going to go on and on like a frog in water.

00:11:43.400 They're just turning it up, starting with, oh, actually, the COVID variants are back.

00:11:49.060 Oh, actually, you're going to want to get your extra booster.

00:11:51.400 Oh, maybe you're going to want to put that mask on again.

00:11:53.600 Oh, maybe you're going to want to stand six feet apart.

00:11:55.340 Oh, maybe you're going to want to mail in your vote and not show up.

00:11:58.220 Because, because, you know, some people told you so, and some people put their Nostradamus

00:12:02.900 hats on.

00:12:03.480 And because COVID is the only issue on which this administration is even slightly above water,

00:12:09.340 and it's the issue that makes it easiest to cheat in the election by being able to extend

00:12:13.420 election day and encourage widespread mail-in ballots, all of which make the election system

00:12:17.660 much more vulnerable to fraud.

00:12:19.560 That's the words of Barack Obama.

00:12:21.160 That's not even my point entirely.

00:12:23.460 Though I agree with Obama on that and maybe on only that point.

00:12:27.620 So they're going to bring it back.

00:12:28.980 We are in mid-July, folks.

00:12:30.300 The election is not until November.

00:12:32.260 Expect a lot more COVID.

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00:13:46.320 As Joe Biden flounders, expect more COVID.

00:13:50.900 If Joe Biden were doing really, really well in his administration, you would not have the push to bring back COVID.

00:13:57.120 But because Joe Biden is doing extremely poorly, you are going to see more of a push to bring back COVID.

00:14:02.560 Because if you bring back COVID, that's the best chance that the Democrats have of not experiencing a complete political bloodbath in November.

00:14:11.080 And make no mistake, Joe Biden is floundering.

00:14:14.260 He just landed in Israel.

00:14:15.820 He gets out of the airplane.

00:14:17.660 He's still there, right on the tarmac.

00:14:19.640 He gives a little speech about how important it is to keep alive the honor of the Holocaust.

00:14:26.540 I will once more return to the hollow ground of Yad Shavim Vashem to honor 6 million Jewish lives who were stolen in the genocide.

00:14:36.920 And continue, which we must do every, every day, continue to bear witness.

00:14:42.180 To keep alive the truth and honor of the Holocaust, horror of the Holocaust. 0.88

00:14:48.000 Honor those we lost.

00:14:49.780 The truth and honor of the Holocaust.

00:14:52.640 Cool it with the anti-Semitism, buddy.

00:14:54.620 A typical Biden gaffe.

00:14:57.000 We've had a lot of these Biden gaffes recently.

00:14:59.540 Biden always puts his foot in his mouth.

00:15:01.520 But because now he is senile, he's doing it pretty much every time he speaks.

00:15:05.980 He is reading things on the teleprompter he's not supposed to read.

00:15:09.800 He reads lines like, repeat the line.

00:15:12.500 He doesn't actually repeat the line.

00:15:13.620 He just reads that line from the teleprompter.

00:15:16.340 He stumbles around parties and no one wants to talk to him.

00:15:19.020 And it's caught on camera and it's very embarrassing.

00:15:21.460 He doesn't seem to remember where he is. 0.99

00:15:23.920 He constantly says very foolish things. 0.97

00:15:27.280 But that's not the worst of it. 0.94

00:15:28.640 If that were all that were going on, they would lock Joe Biden in a closet just like they did during the campaign.

00:15:34.880 And he would be fine.

00:15:36.080 And the technocrats and the apparatchiks would run the government.

00:15:38.700 And things would be hunky-dory.

00:15:40.040 And the Democrats would not be completely destroyed in November.

00:15:43.500 The problem is that everything in the country right now is falling to pot.

00:15:47.360 Most notably, inflation.

00:15:50.800 Inflation just keeps going up.

00:15:54.780 The inflation number for June.

00:15:56.720 So June 2021 to June 2022.

00:16:00.940 9.1%.

00:16:02.940 The stuff that you buy is 9.1% more expensive this year than it was last year.

00:16:13.320 This is really bad.

00:16:14.780 People expected inflation to be bad.

00:16:18.280 And then you hit record inflation.

00:16:19.980 And then the next month you hit record inflation.

00:16:21.580 Then the next month you hit record inflation.

00:16:23.500 And then you're looking at June.

00:16:25.200 And the analysts at Dow Jones predict an 8.8% inflation rate.

00:16:31.220 And it even blows past those horrible estimates to 9.1% on the consumer price index.

00:16:40.440 This is devastating news for the Democrats and for the American people.

00:16:46.060 I mean, you know this.

00:16:46.680 You go to the grocery store.

00:16:47.780 You order clothing online for your family.

00:16:50.640 You try to fill the gas tank.

00:16:51.700 It's so much more expensive.

00:16:54.920 And inflation hits people at the lower end of the income spectrum much, much harder.

00:17:01.040 So it's particularly painful for working class Americans, ordinary Americans.

00:17:07.200 Really, really bad stuff.

00:17:09.800 The only hope they have.

00:17:11.280 I think Democrats thought that the overruling of Roe v. Wade was going to give them a big excitement boost in November.

00:17:17.760 Really fired them up to go to the polls.

00:17:19.620 Very few people vote on abortion.

00:17:21.480 And it's split between pro-life and pro-abortion.

00:17:24.660 That's not going to do it.

00:17:25.840 And especially when you're looking at record high inflation, people are struggling to feed their families.

00:17:29.500 And there is no social issue that the Democrats are going to be able to gin up to get over that.

00:17:36.060 You want to talk about Democrat financial mismanagement?

00:17:38.480 You're seeing this in another goody that they're trying to give out, student loans.

00:17:42.620 A lot of the Democrats, the really prominent Democrats who are pushing for student loan forgiveness,

00:17:48.240 have a little bit of an ulterior motive here.

00:17:50.960 They've got a little bit of a conflict of interest because they themselves are carrying a bunch of student debt.

00:17:57.080 AOC, who is one of the people leading the charge,

00:17:59.500 for student loan forgiveness,

00:18:02.020 she has between $17,000 and $50,000 worth of student loan debt,

00:18:07.840 according to financial disclosures.

00:18:09.900 And AOC is complaining about this.

00:18:11.480 And she says, it's so terrible that I have all this student loan debt.

00:18:14.600 I took out all this debt to go to a college where I didn't really learn very much,

00:18:18.980 to get a degree that wasn't worth very much.

00:18:20.840 And then I just went back and was a bartender afterward.

00:18:23.440 And then she became a member of Congress.

00:18:24.720 So now she might be able to pay off that debt.

00:18:26.840 She was complaining.

00:18:27.460 She said, I couldn't even go to grad school because I knew it would require me to take out so much more debt.

00:18:33.740 As if AOC should be going to graduate school.

00:18:37.060 As if AOC should have gone to college.

00:18:39.320 As if AOC, whatever education AOC got today with educational standards so far below what they once were.

00:18:48.000 It's probably the equivalent of an eighth grade education 50 or 60 years ago.

00:18:52.500 Just much, much more expensive.

00:18:54.220 And Professor AOC, Dr. AOC was not able to go to college.

00:18:57.780 Rashida Tlaib, who again, I don't want to be rude or mean.

00:19:03.060 Not the brightest bulb in the pack.

00:19:05.580 Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

00:19:07.700 If a strong wind blew through her left ear, it would whistle out her right ear.

00:19:12.560 Rashida Tlaib has between $70,000 and $100,000 of student loan debt.

00:19:19.600 44 members of Congress.

00:19:21.420 That's 8% of the House and Senate combined.

00:19:23.800 It's actually probably significantly higher in the House.

00:19:26.120 I would imagine student loan debt is more concentrated in the House of Representatives.

00:19:30.560 They are carrying student loan debt.

00:19:32.520 The move to forgive student loans is self-serving.

00:19:37.780 And it's particularly self-serving because people who have college degrees and advanced degrees

00:19:41.800 are more likely to make more money.

00:19:44.160 And so you're asking the American people as a whole to pay for the poor financial decisions

00:19:51.380 of people who are statistically more likely to make more money than the average American.

00:19:56.680 That seems really wrong.

00:19:58.580 A tax on the poor to pay for the rich.

00:20:00.140 That seems pretty wrong to me, doesn't it?

00:20:03.080 So it's self-serving.

00:20:04.240 It's wrong.

00:20:05.440 It was a poor financial decision for AOC and Rashida Tlaib.

00:20:08.840 But I don't want to just say it's all the fault of the individual.

00:20:14.480 Don't take out this debt.

00:20:17.240 It is their fault.

00:20:18.540 You should make sure when you go into debt that you are going to get a good return on that investment.

00:20:23.920 And I don't just mean majoring in some engineering degree or studying a trade or something.

00:20:30.840 College education, liberal education is a wonderful thing if it's not training you for a job.

00:20:36.720 The purpose of a liberal education is just to train you to make sense of your own freedom

00:20:39.780 and to read lots of old dusty books that are not directly applicable to any job.

00:20:44.440 And I think that is worth something, absolutely.

00:20:46.760 So you can quantify a return on investment in a lot of different ways.

00:20:49.300 But right now, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, they're not getting any of that.

00:20:52.360 They're not being trained for a job.

00:20:53.660 They're not receiving a classical education.

00:20:55.560 They probably can't spell very well.

00:20:57.120 I mean, they're not getting a high caliber education.

00:20:59.560 They're taking out tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt to do it.

00:21:04.140 The debt problem is a big issue because debt is slavery.

00:21:09.300 It is.

00:21:10.000 Debt is not just an individual problem.

00:21:12.000 It is a social problem.

00:21:13.140 When we have a society where people are mired in debt, that compromises people's freedom.

00:21:20.120 Because when you are in debt, you have got to service that debt and you've got to,

00:21:24.700 that will dictate the kinds of decisions you can make.

00:21:27.580 And so I think this is a political problem.

00:21:29.320 I do think, I agree at least in part in principle with the people who are saying we need to do

00:21:34.000 something about student debt.

00:21:35.100 We need to do something about the cost of college.

00:21:38.640 But I don't think the answer to that is just forgive everybody's student loan debt.

00:21:42.120 That's insane.

00:21:43.080 All you're going to do then is incentivize these horrible leftist colleges to keep hiking

00:21:48.340 the price of tuition because they know the taxpayers are going to foot the bill.

00:21:51.160 You're encouraging more people who have absolutely no business in a college classroom like AOC 0.91

00:21:55.780 and Rashida Tlaib to go and get these useless degrees in gender studies or whatever, 1.00

00:22:00.920 sociology or something, and learn nothing but leftist indoctrination for four years and then

00:22:06.200 go out and become more likely to be Democrats and vote for the Democrat Party.

00:22:09.820 That's not a good system at all.

00:22:12.980 We need to figure out a way.

00:22:14.240 I'm not proposing a whole system.

00:22:15.460 We'll maybe do a show in the future on how to deal with the debt problem.

00:22:19.120 But we have to address the problem in such a way that it does not incentivize more of

00:22:25.220 what got us into this place in the first place.

00:22:27.280 We need, if we solve the debt problem, we need to do it in such a way that brings the

00:22:30.480 colleges into line that does not just create a factory for Democrats and does not stick the

00:22:37.260 whole bill on the taxpayers. Got to figure out a way. I mean, if you think about the way

00:22:42.100 that we in the West considered debt until the modern era, until the 16th or 17th century,

00:22:49.680 there was a prohibition on usury. There was a prohibition on charging interest on loans that

00:22:56.060 were not productive. So you can charge interest on loans if the loan is going to be invested in

00:23:02.560 some project that is going to return a big profit. The people who invest in that project have a right

00:23:08.740 to receive some share of the profits there. But on an unproductive loan, if you charge interest,

00:23:14.360 that is usury. And the loans that we are seeing for college these days are in many cases not

00:23:19.920 productive. You do not get a return on that investment. So I think we need to go a little

00:23:24.420 bit deeper than just, well, you took out the debt. That's your problem. Go get a job kit.

00:23:29.000 We've got to go a little bit deeper than that and realize this is a social problem that's going to

00:23:33.100 affect everybody. And we're creating a system where we're churning out more and more AOCs. And

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00:26:08.220 right now. Do not forget to send in voicemail bags and written mail bags for the show tomorrow.

00:26:13.200 The mailbag, of course, is sponsored by Pure Talk. It is my favorite time of the week. Keep those

00:26:17.260 voicemails under one minute so that I can actually play them on the show. Look forward to hearing from

00:26:20.700 you. We will be right back with a lot more. Joe Biden is spending our money very stupidly.

00:26:38.360 The Democrats in Congress want to spend our money very stupidly for giving all of their student loans. 1.00

00:26:43.100 There are people in this country who are still using money well. Truly one of the best examples 0.97

00:26:50.520 of this I could cite. It's a Texas company that is paying employees not to have abortions. 0.99

00:26:59.860 So you've heard all these stories ever since the overruling of Roe v. Wade of woke companies,

00:27:04.960 and even not woke companies, even Tesla is doing this. Lots and lots of companies are offering to pay

00:27:09.780 for the travel expenses of employees who want to go out and have abortions in other states.

00:27:16.920 And it's so self-serving. One, it keeps these companies in the good graces of the woke mob,

00:27:22.720 but two, it's self-serving because it's a lot cheaper for these companies to encourage their

00:27:27.720 employees to kill their children than to have to pay them for maternity leave, than to risk the 1.00

00:27:32.940 employees not being quite so focused on their jobs because they're thinking about their kids,

00:27:36.420 and maybe they got to leave early one day to go pick Johnny up from school because he got sick.

00:27:40.140 And that's just a big headache for companies. They want to keep you barren, sterile. They want

00:27:44.660 your kids dead, and they want you sitting in front of a desk doing spreadsheets, not spending any time 0.98

00:27:49.960 with your family, spending all of your time working for some other guy so that you can get a paycheck,

00:27:54.480 so that you, if you do have kids, can pay some other woman to raise your kids. That's what they want, 1.00

00:27:58.540 okay? And so they've got all of these financial incentives to encourage you to kill your kids. 1.00

00:28:06.360 This great Texas company is paying employees $7,500 to choose adoption. It says, 0.99

00:28:16.700 these businesses are ignoring the possibility that many employees may simply need a little more help

00:28:22.680 to carry their baby to term instead of blindly paying people to end an unborn child's life.

00:28:29.240 Companies should consider paying them to welcome that life into the world. This is according to

00:28:35.300 the CEO of this company. I forget his first name, but his last name is Rex. It says, that's why my

00:28:40.480 business has decided to give up $7,500 for employees who want to have their baby and give it up for

00:28:45.500 adoption. For me, the motivation is equal parts personal and professional on the former front.

00:28:50.460 I'm passionately pro-life, yet there's also a strong corporate case to be made against abortion.

00:28:55.480 And so I really like this argument that he's making. He's saying, obviously, I'm very pro-life,

00:29:00.840 but there's a business decision here too. And he points out, women who have abortions 1.00

00:29:08.100 often open themselves up to all sorts of mental health problems.

00:29:13.120 Now, is this really the motivation for this policy? Not really. The motivation for the policy

00:29:16.880 is to save babies because it's the right thing to do. But he's pointing out, there is a corporate cost

00:29:22.020 here too. Because when women kill their children, that gives them a trauma. It's very hard for them. 1.00

00:29:28.520 They've got to process that. Especially if they don't realize what they're doing at the time,

00:29:32.260 or if they haven't fully appreciated what they're doing at the time. Later on, they realize, oh my

00:29:35.800 gosh, I killed my child. Of course, that's going to give women all sorts of problems. I'm speaking 1.00

00:29:41.500 anecdotally here, but the plural of anecdote is data. I know women, I've got women in my family and 1.00

00:29:48.320 friends who have had abortions. I suspect all of us do. And the women who have had abortions,

00:29:55.300 especially the ones who have had multiple abortions, they have problems. They've got

00:30:00.500 a lot of problems dealing with that grief. Some of them have become pro-life and they realize how

00:30:06.960 terrible it is what they did. Some of them still support abortion and they haven't quite admitted

00:30:12.400 that to themselves and they still have lots of problems. And so this guy says, for business reasons,

00:30:16.980 for ethical reasons, I'm going to support adoption. Really, really wonderful stuff. I hope a lot more

00:30:25.920 companies do that as well. Meanwhile, the Dems are doubling down on abortion on demand without

00:30:30.840 apology. The House has been holding these hearings on abortion. The House Democrats called an abortion

00:30:38.700 witness, Sarah Lopez, who said abortion is not just a necessary evil. Abortion is the best decision I ever 0.94

00:30:45.500 made. What these restrictions are intended to do is try and make people, try and stop people from

00:30:51.600 having abortions. But abortion is healthcare. My abortion was the best decision I ever made.

00:30:57.160 It was an act of self-love. And I'm here today to make sure that everybody who currently needs an

00:31:02.560 abortion, who has had an abortion or will need an abortion is not alone, no matter what the state

00:31:07.760 tries to force upon us. It's the best decision that I ever made, she said. I honor my abortion.

00:31:17.400 If you look this woman up, she has her testimony of how much she loves abortion. She says, I honor my 1.00

00:31:24.540 abortion by no longer giving an SHIT about what people will think if they know I've had an abortion 0.99

00:31:29.320 that goes for friends and family. I've spent way too much of my life trying to please people. I love my 0.99

00:31:33.780 abortion and I will remain unapologetic because it's the best decision I've ever made. The best

00:31:37.640 decision? I wish I would have known that the shame that I felt after my abortion was due to harmful

00:31:43.180 restrictions in Texas that are put in place to stigmatize abortion, not because I did anything

00:31:48.440 wrong. From the moment I found out I was pregnant, I knew I didn't want to have a child. And almost five

00:31:52.460 years later, I've never regretted my abortion, all capital letters, she writes. But it took me a long

00:31:56.960 time to reclaim my sense of self because the patriarchal society tells us our bodies are not ours. So there you

00:32:01.200 go. Now you realize. When you hear this woman speak in the testimony, you think, the best decision you 0.89

00:32:09.940 ever made? I could understand. Maybe you say it was a good decision. I don't regret this. But it's the best

00:32:15.400 decision. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. And then here she admits, yeah, I felt a lot of shame

00:32:22.020 after my abortion. But that's only because of the patriarchy and the society and the unfair stigma. No, darling,

00:32:31.200 it's your conscience is what it is. It's because of the moral reality that even you with your conscience

00:32:37.600 that has maybe been dulled and deadened by leftist ideology is still able to perceive and you know it's

00:32:42.780 awful and you know you've murdered your child. And what did it give you? What did you get? What was the

00:32:48.080 reward for murdering your child? Now you get to be a shill for the liberal establishment that seeks to

00:32:54.520 convince lots of other women to kill their babies so that they can be more productive in the 1.00

00:32:57.760 neoliberal marketplace and you get to prattle on for an afternoon in front of a bunch of 1.00

00:33:03.320 degenerate members of Congress. And then you'll, your 15 minutes will be up and you'll go back to 0.88

00:33:09.200 obscurity. And that's what you get. Was that worth it? Was that really worth it? You don't regret it at

00:33:14.100 all? You sure are talking about this a lot for someone who doesn't regret this decision. Oh, this was

00:33:19.600 no big deal. Not, it doesn't bother me in the least. Well, then how come you keep talking about how

00:33:23.860 little it bothers you? Who are you trying to convince? Who are you trying to convince?

00:33:28.600 You're not convincing me. You're not convincing, I think, most people in the audience. Something

00:33:33.260 tells me you're not convincing yourself either. I'm not convincing the American people. You know,

00:33:40.160 this, the momentum is clearly on the side of pro-life here. You see it legally. You see it

00:33:47.220 politically. You see it from the elected representatives. You see it happening in the states.

00:33:51.200 Libs are very upset because they're losing their, their tight grip over this abortion regime. So

00:33:57.600 the DOJ, what's the DOJ trying to do right now? They're launching a task force to protect women's 0.96

00:34:03.980 reproductive rights. This just came out, story, story from Reuters. And they're saying, okay,

00:34:12.360 the U.S. Department of Justice unveils a new task force that aims to protect women's reproductive rights.

00:34:18.800 The task force will be chaired by the Associate Attorney General, Vanita Gupta,

00:34:24.400 to monitor and evaluate state laws that will threaten to infringe on federal legal protections

00:34:30.860 related to reproductive health care, by which they mean abortion. But there is no constitutional right

00:34:37.920 to an abortion. That's what the Supreme Court has declared. Those federal legal protections for abortion

00:34:42.860 are pretty flimsy. The states are going to, are going to protect life. And there's relatively very little

00:34:49.100 that the federal government can do about that. There is one interesting aspect to this though.

00:34:55.240 And you see it in the Reuters article. They say, although abortion is the focus of many state laws,

00:35:01.300 reproductive health care advocates have warned that some of these bills could have far wider reaching

00:35:05.620 implications for women's health beyond the procedure itself, beyond abortion. Some of the state bills,

00:35:11.020 for instance, recognize personhood from the moment of fertilization, a definition that could hamper

00:35:15.960 in vitro fertilization treatments in which doctors collect and fertilize a woman's eggs in hopes of

00:35:21.340 finding a viable embryo for transfer into her uterus. This is a great point. And if the Democrats were smart,

00:35:27.460 if the pro-abortion people were smart, this is the area that they would really focus on if they're

00:35:32.220 attacking the pro-life movement, if they're attacking conservatives, and if they're attacking

00:35:36.840 the personhood laws that defend life from the very beginning. Because, and I alluded to this a few

00:35:44.280 days ago on the show, but it's going to become a more important issue as this debate moves past,

00:35:49.060 should we overrule Roe v. Wade and moves into the next phase of the pro-life bioethical discussion.

00:35:53.760 If our argument is that a person is a person from the very moment of conception,

00:36:01.060 then it is very difficult for conservatives to defend in vitro fertilization. Because in vitro

00:36:07.580 fertilization creates lots of moments of conception. And it does so not in the conjugal act, not in the

00:36:16.680 old-fashioned way, which is a lot of fun, but in a test tube. And then in practice, I'm not saying this

00:36:21.660 is always what has to happen necessarily, but in practice, this is virtually always what happens.

00:36:26.580 In in vitro fertilization, a lot of embryos are created and they're put in a freezer and they're

00:36:32.420 locked away. And then some are implanted. And sometimes even if too many embryos attach and

00:36:40.960 grow within the womb, sometimes abortions will take place. Sometimes abortion will be recommended 0.95

00:36:47.400 because they'll say, well, you know, you've got now quadruplets and you can't carry that. That's

00:36:52.160 not safe. And so it involves that. But even if abortion doesn't take place, do we really think

00:36:57.160 that it is acceptable to lock up a bunch of human beings in a freezer indefinitely? No. And one way

00:37:05.320 that some people have tried to make sense of this or tried to rectify this obvious evil is through

00:37:11.200 something called embryo adoption, which has bioethical concerns in and of itself, where people will adopt

00:37:16.900 embryos that are right now frozen in freezers and implant them in their own wombs. You don't really

00:37:21.960 know who the parents are. You grow the baby and then raise the baby as your own. That's one way to

00:37:27.500 get around it. But you're still stuck with the intrinsic evil of creating a whole lot of human

00:37:35.220 beings basically just to be put in a freezer forever. And I know that a lot of conservatives like

00:37:42.160 in vitro fertilization. A lot of conservatives have personally benefited from in vitro fertilization

00:37:46.520 because they were having fertility problems and maybe they couldn't conceive naturally. And so

00:37:52.600 this was an option for them to get the baby that they so desperately wanted. But it's an option that

00:37:58.120 has a whole lot of bioethical problems with it. And I think when we examine the issue really closely and

00:38:04.380 the libs are already starting to do this and they're starting to point to this moral incoherence

00:38:08.560 that the conservatives have right now. I think when you look at the issue closely, you have to

00:38:13.760 see that a situation in which if we truly believe human beings are human beings from the very

00:38:18.920 beginning, it is extremely evil to create lots and lots of human beings to lock up in a refrigerator

00:38:27.200 for the foreseeable future. We can't tolerate that. Even if conservatives don't want to have

00:38:34.120 this conversation, it will be had. You're seeing the liberals already begin to poke at this. You're

00:38:39.380 seeing the federal government already begin to poke at this. You're seeing the media finally

00:38:42.480 beginning to poke at this. Conservatives need to have a good answer here. And I'm not sure that the

00:38:47.580 right has fully thought through IVF or at least large portions of the right. I'm not sure that

00:38:51.980 they've fully thought through this. Speaking of the welfare of children, a major development

00:38:57.540 in the alleged case of a rape of a child in Ohio. This was a story, we talked about it on the show a few

00:39:05.840 days ago, and most conservatives, myself included, did not believe the story when it first came out.

00:39:11.280 The story didn't quite add up. And the story was that there was a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who was

00:39:17.960 raped, and then she was not able to get an abortion. And Joe Biden said that her life might

00:39:23.800 have been at risk, and she couldn't get an abortion in Ohio. And therefore, she had to go to Indiana to

00:39:28.800 get an abortion because she really, really wanted to get an abortion. And the story just didn't really

00:39:33.320 add up. The media were reporting on it in really weird ways. There were basically no sources here.

00:39:38.000 The Ohio Attorney General looked into this, and there weren't reports of this crime. That wasn't

00:39:43.380 really coming up. The pro-abortion activist who first planted the story wasn't answering a lot

00:39:49.140 of questions about it. Actually, in Ohio, if the girl were at risk, if her life were at risk,

00:39:57.000 she could have had an abortion in Ohio, so it wouldn't have made sense that she had to go to 0.74

00:39:59.900 Indiana if that were the case. So it didn't really add up. But a suspect has been arrested

00:40:04.720 in a rape that doesn't entirely fit the narrative we were told, but broadly speaking does check the

00:40:12.300 boxes and does seem to fit this story. So then the question was, well, I guess the conservatives just

00:40:17.160 got it wrong. But hold on. Why was the story being reported in such a strange way in the first place?

00:40:23.080 You didn't get the location. You didn't get any corroboration. You didn't get any reports of the

00:40:28.400 crime itself. What was going on here? Now we have one possible answer as to why the story was being

00:40:34.920 reported in such a weird way. Again, there's still a lot of questions with this story, but we have one

00:40:39.800 possible answer, which is the suspect who was arrested in connection with the rape is an illegal

00:40:47.220 alien. This illegal alien, Gershon Fuentes, 27 years old of Columbus, Ohio, was arrested

00:40:54.520 Tuesday and charged with first degree rape of raping, actually almost certainly a nine-year-old

00:41:02.000 girl who then now is 10 years old, but she had just turned 10 years old when the story really came to

00:41:06.940 light. So it might have been even a 27-year-old illegal alien raping a nine-year-old girl. And then 0.58

00:41:11.000 it starts to make sense. If the story, and again, the details keep changing here, but if the story

00:41:16.820 broadly is true, why would the media report on it in such a strange way? Oh, because they were

00:41:21.300 covering up for an illegal alien. And this is something you've got to remember. It actually ties

00:41:26.040 right in with the New York Times story about Ray Epps at the beginning. It's not even about

00:41:32.980 is Ray Epps a Fed or is Ray Epps not a Fed. In this case of this horrible rape in Ohio, it's not even

00:41:38.260 about what exactly happened, where exactly did it happen. The first question you've got to ask, and this

00:41:44.040 is a lesson for conservatives too, we have to remember this, the first question you've always

00:41:47.820 got to ask when you see these stories is, what is the angle of the media? Why are the media reporting

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00:42:42.480 delivered. Speaking of helping women, speaking of women's issues, Elizabeth Warren, Liawatha,

00:42:49.520 Focahontas herself, Senator High Cheekbones, is introducing legislation to, not to help women, 1.00

00:43:00.700 not to give women a choice, not to support all that choice and women's lib that she always prattles

00:43:06.140 on about. She's introducing legislation to shut down crisis pregnancy centers.

00:43:12.360 In Massachusetts, right now, those crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people who are

00:43:22.740 looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber true abortion clinics by three to one. We need to 0.98

00:43:31.500 shut them down here in Massachusetts, and we need to shut them down all around the country.

00:43:35.840 You should not be able to torture a pregnant person like that. 1.00

00:43:42.360 You're torturing a pregnant person, she says, formerly known as a woman, a mother. You're

00:43:49.180 torturing a mother, she says, if you offer her free or extremely low-cost resources to take care

00:43:55.880 of her child. Crisis pregnancy centers are wonderful. They are actual pregnancy centers to help actual

00:44:03.040 pregnant women without killing their children. The one thing you can't get at a crisis pregnancy center 1.00

00:44:08.500 is killing your children. Just like how at Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood pretends to be 0.60

00:44:15.700 a big pregnancy center that serves all women and all sorts of women's health care, but you can't get

00:44:20.960 all sorts of women's health care at Planned Parenthood. Their chief product is abortion. So if you want to

00:44:26.520 kill your kid, you go to Planned Parenthood. If you want help with your pregnancy, if you're a struggling 1.00

00:44:31.040 mother and you want help during the pregnancy itself or with birth or just afterward for young

00:44:39.780 mothers, you go to a crisis pregnancy center. I have had the privilege of speaking with all sorts

00:44:45.500 of crisis pregnancy centers. They do, truly, they do God's work on earth. Liz Warren wants to shut them 0.89

00:44:51.560 down. Why? Because she doesn't want a choice. At the very least, we've got to get rid of this pro-choice 1.00

00:44:56.740 moniker. They do not want a choice. They want you to kill your kid. They do not want you to just

00:45:03.480 make an informed decision. They don't want you to make an informed decision. They want to shut down

00:45:07.600 the centers that will take care of you if you want to keep your child, and they want to federally fund 0.90

00:45:12.820 the centers that will help you kill your child. That's it. It reminds me of this conversation 0.98

00:45:19.220 between Betty Friedan, the American feminist, and Simone de Beauvoir, who was the strumpet of Jean-Paul

00:45:24.820 Sartre, and she was a French feminist. They had a debate over whether or not women should have the 1.00

00:45:30.140 choice to stay at home. Betty Friedan said, yeah, if a woman wants to go work, she can. If she wants 1.00

00:45:34.360 to stay at home, she can. That's great. She can have the choice. Simone de Beauvoir said, no, she can't

00:45:38.880 have the choice to stay home. If women have the choice to stay home, they'll take that choice nine 1.00

00:45:43.400 times out of ten, and that's not conducive to liberation. We have to force them to go to the

00:45:47.120 workplace. Liz Warren is saying we have to force them to kill their kids, basically. If a woman is poor, 1.00

00:45:52.040 if she's in trouble, if she's worried, if she's anxious, it's an unexpected pregnancy. We need

00:45:57.560 to force her to kill the baby. We can't give her the choice because it's all about power. And more 1.00

00:46:05.260 broadly, it's about serving a broader system. It's not about a woman's individual choice. 0.96

00:46:12.540 All about power. We need to reintroduce logic and reason to the discussion. 0.93

00:46:17.760 The left broadly has been trying to take logic and reason out of our politics. That's why they're

00:46:25.100 taking away the meaning of all the words. If words don't have meaning anymore, or if the meanings of

00:46:30.280 words change every single day, then we can't communicate. We can't have a civil dialogue.

00:46:34.160 We can't have reason debate. Politics ceases to be this reasoned process of figuring out how best

00:46:40.840 we can live the good life and how we can have a flourishing country. And it becomes a bare-knuckle

00:46:45.660 brawl for raw interest and will. I want it, and I want it now, and that's why I'm going to get it.

00:46:51.760 That's not a good way to do politics. We need to reintroduce logic, especially to this discussion

00:46:56.560 around abortion. Do you know where we're hearing this from? Not just from the conservatives in

00:47:02.800 America, not just from the right-wingers. We're even hearing this from the Holy Father, from the Pope,

00:47:08.500 who is not the most conservative guy in the world. Some people think he's very, very far to the left,

00:47:15.540 and he has said and done things that would justify that belief. Even the Pope was just asked about

00:47:22.560 Joe Biden's stance on abortion, how Joe Biden supports abortion. And here is what Pope Francis

00:47:31.000 said about this. He said, let Biden talk to his pastor about that incoherence. He called, and frankly,

00:47:39.500 I sort of wish that Pope Francis were even tougher here and were even more clear. But this phrase is

00:47:46.420 pretty clear. He's saying that Joe Biden's defense of abortion is incoherence. And it is incoherence.

00:47:52.200 To defend abortion is incoherent. For someone who enjoys the right to life, to advocate denying the

00:48:02.540 right to life is intrinsically incoherent. You might say it's satanic. There's a video going around. I

00:48:08.760 have to get to this video. I meant to get to it yesterday. Of a young woman giggling over abortion. 0.87

00:48:16.540 So this woman, she's got all sorts of face tattoos. She's got a satanic symbol on her chest. 1.00

00:48:24.480 And she's watching a video of a kind of satanic, demonic-looking figure killing and torturing a 0.89

00:48:30.760 baby. And she's laughing, and she's giggling, and she's getting a really big kick out of it. And she

00:48:34.360 says, it's my favorite TikTok I've seen this week. Ha, ha, ha. There are all sorts of secular 1.00

00:48:41.240 explanations for this. The libs and some of the conservatives even will say, oh, this is really,

00:48:45.940 this is about leftism. This is about progressivism. This is about Marxism. This is about,

00:48:52.700 this is a metaphor. They're trying to metaphorize everything. You know, Satan's really just a

00:48:56.600 metaphor for man's natural capacity for evil. Sometimes, guys, it's just the devil. And actually,

00:49:05.500 it's kind of like that IQ bell curve, I mean, at the bottom end of the IQ curve, they say,

00:49:09.960 duh, everything is about the goodness of God. And there's the evil of the devil. And

00:49:15.820 we got to, we got to pursue God. Right. And then the people in the middle, the midwits,

00:49:20.400 they say, well, actually, you know, it's a metaphor. And it's a metaphor for this aspect

00:49:24.300 of the internal turmoil and chaos of man's soul. Then you get up to the really smart guys

00:49:28.800 at the top and they say, no, it's really, it's just about good versus evil. It's just

00:49:31.780 about God and the temptations of the devil. And you got to pursue God. And that's what this

00:49:35.780 is about. People have been worshiping the devil for a lot longer than there has been

00:49:44.640 leftism or Marxism. They all kind of play into the same thing, but every culture everywhere around

00:49:51.080 the world has had some conception of God and some conception of the devil. Reminds me of that line

00:49:56.940 from Antonin Scalia, where he was being mocked by a New York magazine reporter. And the reporter said,

00:50:02.740 what, you believe in heaven and hell? He goes, uh-huh, I do. He says, you know, I even believe

00:50:07.120 in the devil. And she, he said, you're looking at me like I'm weird. Do you realize that most people

00:50:11.780 throughout history have believed in, in the devil, that the devil exists? Do you, do you realize that

00:50:18.760 many more intelligent people than you and me have believed that the devil exists? It's a very

00:50:23.960 important line. It's a very important thing to remember when we're, when we're trying to make sense

00:50:27.740 of these political problems. Sometimes, listen to the, the dumb guy at the end of the IQ bell curve 0.98

00:50:33.460 meme. Sometimes, all the time, actually, it really does come down to good versus evil. Those things 0.98

00:50:40.280 that we try to write away as abstractions and metaphors and just mirror images, those have

00:50:45.580 reality. And we need to deal with that because we are imperiling our country and ourselves if we

00:50:50.240 ignore it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. See you tomorrow.

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00:51:41.160 Wire 2022. Today on The Matt Walsh Show, another congressional hearing about abortion. This one

00:51:45.840 features liberals refusing to denounce infanticide, refusing to define the word woman, and once again

00:51:50.900 claiming that men can get pregnant has been a very instructive spectacle, if nothing else. Also, 0.99

00:51:56.140 AOC is the victim of an outrageous and violent attack after a comedian mildly heckles her for 10

00:52:02.340 seconds. And a parent at a school board meeting is told that it would be illegal to read out loud

00:52:06.700 some of the material that the school board has approved for children in their district to read

00:52:10.700 at school. Plus, Amazon bans me from advertising my book on its platform again, and car companies are

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00:52:20.420 Talk about all of that and more today on The Matt Walsh Show.

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