Ep. 1071 - The Horrifying Creeps Coming For The Kids
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Christy Olzeski is a quack doctor, but she s not a fringe quack. She is a professor and practitioner at the Yale School of Medicine. She heads up Yale s Pediatric Gender Program. Her job is to convince three-year-olds to begin a lifelong process of chemical injections and genital mutilation to make them look more like the opposite sex.
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Sometimes the libs accuse conservatives of exaggerating our problems for political gain,
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especially when it comes to the so-called social issues. That's why it's helpful when we can just
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play clips of the libs in their own words. The woman you're about to hear is named Christy
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Olezeski. She is a quack doctor, but she's not a fringe quack doctor. She is a professor and
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practitioner at the Yale School of Medicine. She heads up Yale's pediatric gender program.
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Her job is to convince three-year-olds to begin a lifelong process of chemical injections and
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genital mutilations to make them look more like the opposite sex. I'm a clinical psychologist by
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training, and I am the director of the Yale gender program, which is an interdisciplinary program
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working with gender-expansive individuals, three to 25, and their families. We help individuals who
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are questioning their gender identity or who identify as transgender or non-binary. We help
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them with their gender journey, thinking through that, thinking through the risks and the benefits
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of medical intervention, starting medical intervention, and also building supports around
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them. I love what I do. So it's really, really wonderful to be working in this field and to
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be working with individuals who are gender diverse and gaining their support and helping them on their
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gender journeys. Three to 25. This woman works with individuals ages three to 25 to facilitate their
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gender journeys. Three, the wildest predictions of the most alarmist religious right leaders of the past
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several decades did not predict this. The slipperiest, slippery slope warnings did not predict the Ivy League
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grooming three-year-olds to turn into castrati mutants. Our nation's mainstream liberal institutions,
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not just the crazy radicals, the actual mainstream as establishment as it gets, Yale University,
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have become more extreme than any of us could have possibly imagined. And the more predatory and
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outright demonic that the leftists get, the more insistent they become that it's us conservatives who
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have changed, that it's us conservatives who pose the threat to the country, that it's us conservatives
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who must be stopped by any means necessary. And do not doubt for one second, people who gleefully
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sterilize toddlers will attack their opponents using any means necessary. I'm Michael Knowles,
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welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday is from Mark McConville, who says,
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Some people want these really serious, self-serious terms, a very specific term. Actually, it should
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be progressives. Actually, you should talk about the leftists. Actually, no, it's just the libs.
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They're just the libs. The libs are the libs. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Podium.com slash Knowles. Podium. Let's grow. These pediatric gender clinics are cropping up
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everywhere. There's one right here in Tennessee. Tennessee, right in our backyard at Vanderbilt.
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Pediatric gender clinic. Absolutely horrifying stuff. Obviously should be shut down. Obviously,
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this lady at Yale, Christy Olazeski, and all of the other psychos who are working with her
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to trans three-year-olds, these people should all be in prison. First, we have to pass a law.
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Banning this stuff. First, they need to lose their jobs. Then we need to pass a law banning
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this stuff. And then the second these people continue to groom the little kids, and you know
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they will, we need to put them in orange jumpsuits. And it's just as simple as that. This is spreading
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like wildfire, like a social contagion, and it's specifically targeted at little kids. And it's not
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just coming from the pervert in the white van sitting in the bad part of the neighborhood,
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okay? It's not just coming from some sex trafficker, international criminal. It's not just coming from
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the child porn producer. It's coming from Yale. It's coming from New York's Fashion Week. Here's a
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story out of New York. A 10-year-old child has just become the youngest transgender model to walk
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the runway at New York's Fashion Week. This young boy goes by Noella. He participated in the trans
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clothing company show. This was created by the designer Mel Atkinson, this according to Metro.
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And Noella, this little boy who the adults in his life are dressing up to be a little girl,
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says, it feels good that I'm already inspiring trans kids to be themselves. Now, obviously,
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what transgenderism does is the opposite. They encourage kids and all people not to be themselves,
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to be other people, or to pretend to be other people, to have a little boy pretend to be a little
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girl, or vice versa. I'm all for encouraging people to be themselves, and not even just themselves as
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they are, but to be a perfect, good version of themselves. All people, they can go bad or they
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can go good. They can get into a lot of vice and sin and bad stuff, or they can do good stuff,
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pursue virtue, sanctity, holiness. And we should encourage the latter, not the former. It's not just
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that you're born, some people are born good, some people are born bad. That's not true.
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We have free will. We have a conception of what's good and what's bad. And we can know something
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about that and pursue that. Here, we're getting the worst possible version. We're encouraging people
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to only pursue really bad stuff, and then to just pretend to be totally different than they are
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outright. How on earth does a 10-year-old kid wind up doing a drag dance at New York Fashion Week?
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Obviously, because this poor little boy has pervert parents. His current guardians, that's how it's
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described in the article. I don't even know what the relationship of these adults are to the kid.
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I just know that they're perverts. Ray and Dee McMahon told Metro that Noella, who's this little boy,
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began socially transitioning at the age of four. So you read that and you say, Ray and Dee,
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that sounds like normal people, right? But I know they're not normal people because they're
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transing their little four-year-old. So of course, these guys are both, guys or girls,
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I don't know what they are, are both sexual deviants. They identify as non-binary. And so
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whose fault is this? The primary fault is the fault of the parents. Or I don't know the parents,
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the current guardians, as this is ambiguously described in the paper.
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But the parents are the fault of us. That's really what this is about. We can't just say,
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those guys are perverts or girls or whatever they are. We can't just say, they're perverts,
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they're, this is their child abuse. Yeah, it is. They're primarily responsible. But we let this
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happen. We let this happen. How on earth did these people adopt a child or do it, or through surrogacy
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create a child? I actually don't know if it's two guys or two girls or a guy and a girl. The fact
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that I don't know that is our fault politically because we've radically redefined marriage. So we
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have no idea what marriage means. We tolerate all sorts of sexual degeneracy. So men can pretend to
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be women and women can pretend to be men and they can pretend to be ambiguous. People are having a
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surgery called sexual nullification. That means they just chop off their genitals entirely. And we
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tolerate this. Not only do we tolerate this, we celebrate this. And if you in any way criticize
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it, you're called a hater and you can be ostracized from society. I'm not sure that this video will
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remain on YouTube. I broadcast my show in part on YouTube. I'm not sure that this will even be allowed
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to be kept up because I don't think that these pervs should be allowed within 300 yards of a child.
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And I don't think they should be able to pretend that their union is a marriage. And I don't think
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they should be able to pretend that whichever one of them is a man, either or none of them is a
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man is a girl or vice versa, or that they're neither. That's our fault. We let it get this
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far. We in the political community, we let the libs go this far because so many conservatives,
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what did they say? Well, it doesn't affect me. I think government should get out of the marriage
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business entirely. Well, I don't know what people do in their bedroom between consenting adults.
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That's none of my business. I don't know. I think this is my business. I don't want kids on drag
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red carpets. I don't want kids, little boys dancing around like little girls for the
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satisfaction of perverts at New York's Fashion Week. I don't want these Yale psychopaths to be
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able to trans three-year-olds. That's a political problem. That's why the government's always
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involved in marriage, by the way, because marriage is the fundamental political institution. And the
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state, meaning the political community, obviously has an interest and obviously always has some kind
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say in how to raise the next generation. That's what it is. That's what marriage is. Marriage is
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a lifelong bond, a union between a man and a woman for the sake of the generation, the procreation,
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and the education of children. We have a say about that, or we should, or we just let this go.
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And I blame the libs, but I expect it of the libs. Really here, my special ire is for those squishy
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conservatives who let it get this far because they didn't have the moral clarity, or even if they did
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have the moral clarity in a lot of cases, they didn't have the moral courage to say, no, sorry,
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Ray and D. McMahon. You don't get to pretend that your non-binary union is a marriage, and you don't get
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to either purchase a child or adopt a child or rent a woman's womb and create a child in this way that
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establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. And it's
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not about you. You don't get to do your weird stuff. Sorry, there are rules and standards, and we are
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City. I'm going to use that term pastor loosely. I don't know what kind of bizarre sect this guy is
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a pastor of, but he calls himself a pastor. He's got some sort of flock in Kansas City. And he's very
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upset at his congregation because his congregation would not buy him an expensive Movado watch.
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See, that's how I know you're still poor, broke, busted, and disgusted because of how you've been
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honoring me. I'm not worth your McDonald's money. I'm not worth your Red Lobster money.
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I ain't worth your St. John Nick. Y'all can't afford it, no how. I ain't worth y'all Louis Vuitton.
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I ain't worth your Prada. I'm not worth your Gucci.
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Mother, ooh, I'm saying this, and I promise you, Deaconita's not with respect and want.
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I'm saying it because I want you to understand just what God is saying. You can buy a Movado watch
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in Sam's. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. And y'all know I asked for one last year. Here it is the
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whole way in August. I still ain't got it. Y'all ain't saying nothing. Let me kick down the door and
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talk to my cheap sons and daughters. So I really get a kick out of this guy.
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What he's doing is evil, but it gave me a great idea because I don't want a Movado. Movado,
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I find, is a little too modernist. It's a little too, but I would like a Patek Philippe watch.
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And they're, you know, look, they're a bargain. You can get those for anywhere from, what,
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$20,000 to a few million. And so I think this guy can do it to his flock here.
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We've got, there are a lot of listeners out there. What? You listeners out there,
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you're too cheap to buy me a Patek Philippe watch. You're listening to this show every day.
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Every single day I'm sitting here, you know, I want a nice $200,000 Patek Philippe watch and
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you're too cheap. You're too busted to buy me that watch. You would probably be pretty offended if
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I said that. I would like the watch by the way, but you would probably be pretty, pretty offended
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if I said that and rightly so. And you would have the right to be much, much more offended
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if I were speaking as a pastor. I mean, that guy is dressed up like a priest. He's obviously not a
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priest, but he puts on the uniform of a priest. He has a little collar, a fake collar or some
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whatever fake religious orders this guy took. And he's using that from the position of a wolf
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in sheep's clothing, which is very specifically warned about in the Bible. And he's trying to
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fleece his flock to buy him nice jewelry. We tend to have a more visceral and negative reaction
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to guys like this, even than we do to the atheists, even than we do to the radicals,
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perhaps even than we do to the blasphemers and the heretics and the libs. I guess this guy is a
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heretic. But we have a more visceral reaction to people who pretend to be on our side, but are
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actually coming from the position of our enemies and our opponents. This actually explains why the
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conservatives are so revved up against Liz Cheney. Because if you just look at voting record,
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is Liz Cheney worse than Nancy Pelosi? No, of course not, not even close. If you just
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looked at voting record, Liz Cheney is more conservative than her replacement in the
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House leadership, Elise Stefanik. Elise Stefanik has a much more liberal voting record than Liz
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Cheney. Now, you might say Elise Stefanik is from New York. She's got a more liberal district.
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Liz Cheney from Wyoming. But whatever, that's just if you look at the voting record.
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But Liz Cheney puts on the Republican skin, puts on the Republican collar and uniform as a wolf in
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sheep's clothing. Because every time it matters, every time there's a vote that counts, she sides
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with the libs. John McCain used to do this. John McCain talked a good game. He sided with the
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Republicans. He even sided with Trump, whom he hated, I think 83 to 85 percent of the time, even
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Trump. And yet on the crucial votes, on the Obamacare vote, the vote that he, John McCain ran
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his last campaign saying, I will vote against Obamacare. I will vote to overturn Obamacare.
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And when it comes to that moment, John McCain walks into the room, into the Senate. He's going to be
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the deciding vote. He votes no. Wolves in sheep's clothing. And we react naturally, and I think
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rightly against this, because we understand that betrayal is a very, very bad sin. Dante keeps
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coming up this week. In Dante's Inferno, in hell, the lowest sin, the absolute pit of hell that you
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find Satan frozen in a lake of ice is betrayal, specifically the betrayal of one's benefactors.
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At the bottom of hell, you've got this three-headed Satan gnawing on three people in the three heads.
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Judas, Brutus, and Cassius, people who betray their benefactors. Judas, obviously, who betrays
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Christ. That's why we react against that. And we're right to. Do not betray your flock. Do not lead
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one of the little ones astray. There's that verse in the New Testament where Christ is saying,
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people who lead even any of these little ones into sin, who cause even these little ones to stumble,
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it would be better for that man to have millstones tied around his neck. And very often, this verse
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is misinterpreted as talking about physically attacking a little one or abortion, maybe killing
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a little one. But it's actually causing the little one to stumble. It's actually referring to scandal.
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It's referring to wolves in sheep's clothing coming in and betraying their mission and betraying their
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flock and leading people astray. Don't do that. Don't do it for a Movado watch. Don't do it for a
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nice plush profile in the New York Times. Don't do it for a cushy gig on MSNBC or CNN.
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Speaking of religion, one of the most famous or infamous new atheists of the 2000s, Sam Harris.
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The new atheists, for those who don't remember, was Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins,
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and Daniel Dennett. And it was more a publishing phenomenon than it was a real intellectual movement.
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But it was a bunch of guys who said religion is bad. And they did it because they were attacking
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Islam because radical Islam was a big topic of concern then after 9-11. And they used the
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specifics of Islamic terror attacks to attack religion generally. And a bunch of very shallow
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thinking teenagers thought this was really smart. I was one of those shallow thinking teenagers. I was
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really taken up by it. The new atheists have aged like milk. And now the new atheists are not even
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being applauded by the libs because they've transgressed certain norms of wokeness and political
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correctness. But it's worth remembering, these guys, Hitchens is dead, but Dawkins, Dennett,
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and Sam Harris. Even though they sometimes contradict political correctness, they are men
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of the left. Sam Harris just proved this when in an interview, he said, look, yeah, it's bad that the
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liberal oligarchy, Twitter and big tech, it's bad that they covered up the Hunter Biden laptop story and
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they censored the New York Post and they stopped people from messaging the story, which was damaging
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to the Bidens to one another. That's bad. But, you know, look, it was to stop Trump. So yeah, censor
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At that point, Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement.
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I would not have cared, right? It's like, there's nothing. First of all, it's Hunter Biden,
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right? It's not, it's like, it's not Joe Biden, but even if Joe, like even whatever scope of Joe
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Biden's corruption is, like if we could just go down that rabbit hole endlessly and understand that
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he's getting kickbacks from Hunter Biden's deals in Ukraine or wherever else, right? Or China. It is
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infinitesimal compared to the corruption we know Trump is involved in. Now that's not, that doesn't
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answer the people who say it's still completely unfair to not have looked at the laptop in a
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timely way and to have shut down the, you know, the New York Post's Twitter account like that.
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That's just a conspiracy. That's a left wing conspiracy to deny the presidency to Donald Trump.
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Absolutely. It was absolutely right. But I think it was warranted.
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It was a left wing conspiracy. It was censorship. It was wrong. Maybe it was illegal. I don't know.
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So, but who cares? It was all sorts of sin, sinful and all sorts of terrible, but it was worth it.
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So on the surface, this story is not that interesting. Wow. One of the most famous
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atheists in America is advocating immorality. Not exactly a man bites dog story. Of course,
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the guy has no real solid moral foundation. He has tried to create some way of justifying the
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existence of objective morality without God. That is a fool's errand. That's not possible.
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So when push comes to shove, when it gets to something he really, really wants, like kicking
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Trump out of office, he says, yeah, the ends justify the means. It's immoral, but whatever,
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you know, who cares? Sure. Sure. The bigger takeaway here is that the libs will do anything to stop Trump
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and his supporters, even Sam Harris. Sam Harris, by today's standards, is one of the more moderate
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libs. And even he says, yeah, do anything to stop Trump because they called Trump Hitler. They said
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Trump is Hitler. Trump is the embodiment of evil. And so if they use that kind of language for Trump
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and his supporters and you and me folks and anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton, if they use that
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kind of language, then of course they will do absolutely anything to stop us. We can't be surprised
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when people who kill the babies and trans the kids and rig elections and censor all sorts of material
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The Libs will go to any length to stop Trump. And by Trump, we mean you and me and all the
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conservatives. Trump is a symbol. Trump is a vessel. All political candidates are to some degree
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symbols and vessels. And Trump, he said this himself. He said, they're not just coming after me.
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They're only coming after me because they want to get to you and I happen to be in the way. I'm the
00:25:21.420
representative of you. That's why they're going after me. It's not just MSNBC and CNN. It's not just
00:25:27.880
the online atheist authors and public intellectuals. It's the deep state, okay? The real, the actual deep
00:25:36.740
state. It's the blob. It's the whole liberal establishment starting with the media and big tech
00:25:44.200
as the publishing platform of the media, the publishing platform of the publishing platforms.
00:25:49.980
You saw a tweet that came out just the other day from Edward Luce. Edward Luce is an associate
00:25:56.540
editor of the Financial Times, very mainstream established paper. He says, I've covered extremism
00:26:03.040
and violent ideologies around the world over my career. Have never come across a political force
00:26:09.620
more nihilistic, dangerous, and contemptible than today's Republicans. Nothing close. A ridiculous
00:26:15.920
statement, which we'll get to in one second. But the real kicker here is that insane comment was
00:26:21.920
retweeted by the former CIA director, Michael Hayden. Michael Hayden says, I agree and I was the
00:26:28.540
CIA director. And by the way, Michael Hayden wasn't Obama's CIA director. Michael Hayden was George W.
00:26:35.360
Bush's CIA director. He was a Republican appointee, albeit from the liberal wing of the Republican Party.
00:26:40.900
The Bushes, going all the way back to granddaddy Prescott, have come from the liberal wing of the
00:26:45.840
Republican Party. This is why Reagan and Bush were a team together, because they ran against one another
00:26:51.780
in the primaries in 1980, because Reagan represented the conservative wing of the party, and George H.W.
00:26:58.400
Bush represented the liberal wing. General Michael Hayden, military background, CIA background,
00:27:04.300
he agrees with the statement that today's Republicans are the most nihilistic, dangerous, and contemptible
00:27:13.900
force ever, that they've ever seen in the whole wide world, not just in America. ISIS? Oh, nothing
00:27:22.480
compared to the Republicans. Al-Qaeda? The Chinese Communist Party? Mean Mr. Putin? I thought Putin was the
00:27:32.860
worst guy ever. No, no, no. Not compared to Ron DeSantis, I guess. Not compared to Ted Cruz,
00:27:39.260
I suppose. Certainly not compared to Trump. Now, it makes, of course, no sense. The only political
00:27:47.040
group that I would apply the term nihilistic to in America would be the left. The left. To be nihilistic
00:27:55.640
is to believe that nothing really means anything at all. To be just absolutely, totally blackpilled and
00:28:02.320
just want to burn it down. First of all, the libs literally burn the country down. But furthermore,
00:28:06.260
they're chopping up little kids right now because they don't think our bodies really have meaning or
00:28:10.400
don't really have an objective kind of intrinsic meaning. They're chopping up little kids. They're
00:28:15.240
killing babies, 850,000 a year. They're trying to assassinate Supreme Court justices who are in any
00:28:21.340
way threatening their right to kill babies. They're upending our institutions. They're defending
00:28:26.080
rigging elections. They're defending censorship. If you're going to call anyone nihilistic,
00:28:29.900
it's so bizarre to accuse the Republicans who say, hey, guys, would it be possible? We're not even
00:28:36.700
going to outlaw all abortions. Do we just have slightly fewer every year? I have never seen a
00:28:43.400
more extreme nihilistic date. Hey, guys, would it be? Look, if we're going to chop off people's
00:28:48.960
appendages and stuff and pump them full of hormones and turn them into castrati, can we wait until
00:28:54.200
they're, I don't know, like five? I've never seen a more extreme, evil, dangerous. Hey, guys,
00:29:03.500
could we, you know, marriage, you know, it's fundamental in the unit of society. Could we,
00:29:07.480
you know how there was a definition of it for all of human history everywhere until like five minutes
00:29:13.520
ago? Maybe you should, I've never seen a more extreme. You, you probably don't even want us to
00:29:20.720
go to monkeypox orgies. Well, okay. All right, fine. That's what they say. That's what they believe.
00:29:27.600
Michael Hayden is not just some crazy bluejack. He is a crazy bluejack. He is a lib, I guess, but he,
00:29:34.760
the guy was the CIA director, okay? The guy was a general. This stuff is in institutions that wield
00:29:44.680
extraordinary, covert, clandestine, often abused, unaccountable power against you. They're telling
00:29:56.240
you that. When people tell you what they're doing, you should believe them. So what do the Republicans
00:30:02.880
do in this case? Elon Musk has an idea. And I get a real kick out of Elon Musk. The guy's doing a lot
00:30:09.420
of good in many ways in the world. But this one was a head scratcher. Elon Musk was asked by a donor
00:30:14.800
what the Republican Party needs to do better. And Elon Musk said that the GOP needs to be more
00:30:21.620
compassionate on immigration. He says that the GOP needs to be more compassionate to potential
00:30:28.160
newcomers. And he noted that this is, he believes this in part because he chose America for its
00:30:34.040
opportunities. He says, immigrants are vital to maintaining a dynamic economy.
00:30:42.140
How much more welcoming to newcomers can we be? We let in millions of people every year. We allow
00:30:51.080
1 million people to come into this country every year legally. And almost no one is even challenging
00:30:56.960
that. Even though the vast majority of the American people on poll after poll reflect and express that
00:31:02.960
they want to drastically reduce the number of legal immigrants who are brought into this country by about
00:31:07.380
60 percent. Still, no one in either of the major parties really talks about that. Very few people.
00:31:15.560
Then on top of the million legal immigrants we allow in every year, we allow 2 million illegal
00:31:19.860
immigrants. It's probably going to be more than that this year under Biden. And we've done this for
00:31:24.260
decades now. The numbers have increased pretty dramatically recently. But we've allowed untold
00:31:30.020
masses of foreign nationals to pour into our country. And then we give them all kinds of goodies.
00:31:35.400
And we give them all kinds of resources. And we allow them to participate in our government. We give
00:31:40.460
them the rights of citizens in many cases. How much more compassionate can we be? I think we've been
00:31:49.220
maybe a little overly compassionate, not compassionate enough to our own citizens. I think we've been a
00:31:55.060
little reckless actually and imprudent. How much more compassionate can you possibly be? This is an
00:32:03.840
issue of meta-politics. This is not just an issue of the immigrants. It's an issue of meta-politics.
00:32:10.520
The movement of immigrants into America over the past 60 years or so is the largest migration of
00:32:19.960
people ever in recorded history. How much more compassionate can we be? What that does is it
00:32:26.760
changes our political landscape. The reason the Democrats encourage this, the reason the Democrats
00:32:31.180
changed all our immigration laws is because they feel that by changing the makeup of the country,
00:32:37.540
the actual people in the country, they will get an electoral advantage. And the data bear that out.
00:32:44.180
Maybe not as much of an advantage as they think that they're getting, but it will give them an
00:32:48.980
advantage, a generational advantage as well. And they know it and they brag about it. And they've been
00:32:53.740
bragging about this in academic papers and in the mainstream media for 20 years now. And the Republicans
00:32:59.860
are supposed to, what, go even more in that direction? I don't think so. That's called, not only is
00:33:05.520
that reckless, not only is that wrong, politically it's also suicidal. You know, our mailbag is
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written mailbag, let's get to the voicemail bag.
00:33:30.500
Hey, Michael, I listened to you on Ben Shapiro's show the other day, and you got to the mailbag part
00:33:35.380
where you're talking about how we shouldn't give the death penalty to rapists because that would
00:33:39.500
incentivize them to kill their victims. But I feel like that's contradictory to things you've said in
00:33:45.020
the past about how laws affect people's behavior because culture is downstream of politics. And if you
00:33:52.460
make harsher punishments for crimes, then that makes people less likely to do crime.
00:33:57.340
So why shouldn't we make harsher punishments for rape, i.e. capital punishment, death penalty,
00:34:03.660
so that less people would rape? But you said on Ben Shapiro's show that it wouldn't, well,
00:34:09.500
you didn't say it wouldn't decrease rape. You just said it would incentivize people to kill their
00:34:12.440
victims. But the implication there is that it wouldn't decrease the amount of rapes.
00:34:16.460
It would just increase the amount of people who are raped and murdered. Can you explain that to me?
00:34:21.240
Well, thank you very much. You were right up until that very moment, and you even caught yourself,
00:34:27.120
and you said, well, okay, you didn't say that it wouldn't decrease rape. But the implication was,
00:34:33.660
but no, your implication, the thing that you inferred is not something that I implied.
00:34:39.880
Yes, it is true. Harsher punishments for rape would disincentivize rape. And because the law is a
00:34:45.940
teacher, you would get less rape. Sure. But at the same time, simultaneously, you would incentivize
00:34:53.760
the rapists who do commit rape to kill their victims if the punishment for murder and the
00:34:59.300
punishment for rape were the same. Because the rapist, in a regime in which rape is punished less
00:35:07.640
severely than murder, the rapist has some incentive not to kill his victim. Even though by not killing
00:35:13.040
his victim, he increases the chances that he'll be caught because the victim could go to the police
00:35:17.220
and say what happened. But in a regime in which rape and murder get the exact same punishment,
00:35:22.600
then the rapist has absolutely no incentive whatsoever other than his own obviously malfunctioning
00:35:27.640
conscience or the conscience that he doesn't really listen to not to murder his victim. So you create
00:35:31.960
an incentive for the rapist to do that. So what we have here is a balancing of different incentives
00:35:39.440
and different desirable outcomes. And what we have to apply here is prudence. I agree. If you gave the
00:35:49.620
death penalty to rapists, you might and very likely would reduce the total number of rapes. You would
00:35:55.280
never get the total number of rapes to zero. But you probably would reduce the number of rapes. But you
00:36:00.660
would increase the number of rape victims who are murdered. And I don't think that's worth the cost.
00:36:05.860
So from the position of prudence, I would say it is worth reducing somewhat the punishment for rape
00:36:14.500
if you are going to decrease the number of rape victims who are murdered, even if by doing so you
00:36:23.220
somewhat increase the incentives to commit a rape or the prevalence of rape. Again, I mean,
00:36:29.460
we can't really know the degree to which these things would shift statistically. But even granting the
00:36:35.720
premise, I just think from a prudential point of view, by decreasing the number of rape victims who
00:36:40.580
are murdered, that would be worth tolerating getting rid of one of the disincentives to rape. But it's a
00:36:47.500
judgment call. It's a call for prudence. It's not an exact science. That's why statecraft is much more
00:36:54.800
of an art than it is a sort of science that can just be plugged into a computer and formulated by a
00:37:00.640
robot. Next question. Hey, Mike, congratulations on the new little bundle of joy. I hope it's keeping
00:37:09.180
you up all night. And I have a question of utmost importance for you. This is quite literally,
00:37:18.060
potentially a matter of life and death. It is that important. Are you a soda or a pop kind of guy?
00:37:31.560
Or are you one of those crazy psychopaths that calls everything coke? Yeah. Inquiring minds need to know.
00:37:42.920
Thanks. Soda. The correct answer is soda. I agree with you. The absolute decadent
00:37:53.280
maniacs who refer to all different sodas as coke, all of a sprite coke, they cannot be helped. I don't
00:38:02.480
know how to reach those people. But I call it soda because I grew up on the coasts, grew up in New York.
00:38:08.360
We call it soda. We're not, we're not nice, wholesome Midwestern people there. We don't call
00:38:12.340
it pop. We call it soda. Although these days I don't drink a lot of soda. I drink silly seltzer
00:38:18.980
water because I am a millennial. I drink black coffee. I drink, I drink, you know, something a
00:38:26.340
little more exciting. It's a little more similar to a Coca-Cola, but not a soda. Later on after dinner
00:38:31.360
and occasionally when I'm feeling sweet and saucy, I will drink an egg cream soda. But all
00:38:38.160
the time, it's always a soda, not pop. Next question.
00:38:42.140
Hey, Michael. So I have a funny story that kind of relates to what you were talking about
00:38:48.400
in a previous episode. So in 2012, I believe, when Obama was running, a felon from, I think
00:38:57.280
it was Texas, beat him in a lot of West Virginia counties. Like it was 40-60. Like it was really
00:39:04.960
close. Made me laugh. Complete topic change right here. My sister, who's been struggling
00:39:12.100
with infertility, we were talking, she asked me how I felt about Roe versus Wade. I said
00:39:19.080
I 110% agree. It shouldn't have even been decided in the first place. Like it was great that it
00:39:24.220
was overturned. And she said, I agree. Abortion should never be used as birth control because
00:39:31.600
you know, women are responsible for their actions, right? And then we got to the topic of rape.
00:39:39.660
She said, and I quote, if I went out today, got raped, and got pregnant, me being infertile,
00:39:48.500
I would 100% no questions asked get an abortion. That made no sense to me. And then she got really
00:39:55.200
mad at me when I said, execute the rapist. Don't execute the baby. The baby had nothing to do with
00:40:01.300
it. So we went back and forth. And then she got really mad at me. But I mean, we're still cordial,
00:40:08.480
like I'm close with my sister. But yeah, that argument made absolutely no sense. Thank you.
00:40:14.720
A good point. Yes, the argument doesn't make sense. But it's one that I've found a lot of
00:40:20.060
pro-life people and conservatives stumble on. They get tripped up on when they are confronted with it,
00:40:27.060
which is what about the case of rape? Are you telling me that if a woman is raped and becomes
00:40:31.520
pregnant, that you would make her carry that baby to term? And of course, the percentage of abortions
00:40:39.260
that take place in the context of rape, it's less than 1%. So it's really just a distraction
00:40:45.360
because the libs don't want to deal with statistically 100% of abortions, which are
00:40:50.320
elective. So they bring that up, and this is the hard case. But the premise here is that you can
00:40:58.680
undo the rape. You can make the rape all better. You can make the rape go away if you just kill the
00:41:04.700
baby. And that's a ridiculous premise. We should not accept that premise.
00:41:10.220
The woman is raped. Now she's pregnant and confronted with a choice. Do you kill the baby
00:41:15.940
or not? The two questions from a moral standpoint are completely unrelated.
00:41:23.940
The rape is bad. The rape is a trauma. The woman is going to have to work through that rape
00:41:28.340
spiritually, psychologically, perhaps physically. Abortion isn't going to fix any of that.
00:41:37.820
Then you have the question, should the woman kill the baby in addition to that? And by the way,
00:41:42.300
if the woman does kill the baby and they're not going to tell you this in the pro-abortion
00:41:45.080
lecture or class, if the woman does kill the baby, she's going to have a trauma from that too.
00:41:50.600
One, she's going to have to, in a sense, give birth to it one way or the other. You've got to get the
00:41:54.900
baby out of there. And two, she's going to have the nagging guilt of the reality that she killed the
00:42:00.260
baby. So you're adding trauma onto trauma. But even putting that aside for a second,
00:42:08.860
nothing about getting the abortion is going to in any way change the rape. So you've got to call
00:42:13.940
them out on that. You say, yeah, I don't think that women who have been victimized and raped
00:42:17.780
should then have the additional trauma of committing a murder. All right, next question.
00:42:21.860
Hey, Michael, my name is Brayden. I just listened to your episode where you talked about essentially
00:42:27.940
the immorality of a homosexual couple adopting a child, just the concept in general. My question
00:42:35.180
is, what about those children that need a home, absolutely need a home, need to be adopted,
00:42:41.800
what have you, and a broken home is better than no home at all. And you have a loving homosexual
00:42:48.460
couple willing to take them in and be a caretaker and a guardian for that child. I'm just curious
00:42:55.380
your response to that. Thank you. Well, we've got to distinguish between two radically different
00:43:01.300
forms of adoption. One is the adoption of newborn babies, and the other is the fostering of children
00:43:07.960
who are in orphanages usually run by the state. Those are very, very different types of abortion.
00:43:14.640
And the libs and the radicals who want to redefine the family and who want to mainstream things like
00:43:21.040
single-parent adoption or homosexual adoption, they try to conflate the two because it's helpful
00:43:25.640
for their argument. But I think we would all grant those are very different types of adoption.
00:43:31.780
And in the case of the adoption of newborns, the premise of your question ceases to make sense
00:43:38.660
because what you will hear is, as you said, what about all those babies who need a home and can't
00:43:44.360
get a home? In the case of newborn adoption in the United States, that doesn't exist. That's
00:43:48.860
completely made up. Lump that away with the boogeyman and Bigfoot. In the United States,
00:43:55.600
there are an estimated 36 to 38 couples who are trying to adopt newborn babies for every single
00:44:02.440
newborn baby put up for adoption. It is incredibly difficult to adopt a baby in the United States.
00:44:08.480
It's very expensive. People wait years to do it. Friends of mine, family members of mine who
00:44:14.500
have adopted babies have gone through years and heartbreak and all sorts, because of how difficult
00:44:19.680
it is, because there's a dearth of babies. In the case of orphanages and the foster care system,
00:44:26.100
that's different. Because in that case, you're talking about children who have been in terrible
00:44:32.380
homes, who have very frequently been abused and neglected, children who are much, much older,
00:44:37.260
children who could be even in their teenage years. And so it's wonderful when people foster those
00:44:42.580
children and take them into their own homes. But that's just a totally different sort of
00:44:47.120
circumstance. And so if you're asking me, should homosexuals, homosexual couples or throuples or
00:44:55.640
single parents be allowed to adopt, single parents of any sort of sexual persuasion be allowed to adopt
00:45:01.080
newborn babies? I would say, of course, absolutely not. That's insane. A child has a right to his natural
00:45:06.780
mother and father. Men and women both have something to contribute to the rearing of children.
00:45:12.740
Marriage actually has a meaning, and it's the same thing that it's meant forever,
00:45:15.960
and not what the libs pretend that it means today. And so no, it would be wrong to deny a child
00:45:20.520
of a real family, of a proper marriage, and that context to grow up in, just because of the politically
00:45:27.920
correct fantasies that we live in today. But if you're asking me, and in that case, you're saying,
00:45:35.460
should the state give an advantage to the real married couple that wants to adopt the child or
00:45:41.840
say, no, we're agnostic. Could be a single mother, could be a homosexual couple or 3-0, could be whatever.
00:45:47.080
However, in the case of the foster care, you're saying, should homosexuals or single mothers or
00:45:54.220
whoever be allowed to take in children who are languishing in orphanages, certainly outside the
00:46:01.840
context of a marriage or outside of a family, who are much older, who are not as desired in terms of
00:46:07.740
adoption as the newborns are. That's a very different conversation. I would be much more open to that
00:46:13.280
conversation, obviously, because they're just kind of apples and oranges. But the last thing we should
00:46:18.720
do is to conflate the two. Okay, before we go, let's get one question that's written from Steve.
00:46:24.700
Michael, you've probably answered this before. Why do you use the term liberal to describe the illiberal
00:46:28.600
left? Everything about their behavior makes them Woodrow Wilson-style progressives. As I listen to your
00:46:32.840
live show right now, you're contrasting the concepts of liberalism, progressive, and leftism. I think you are
00:46:37.440
one who strives for precision in language. Why not in this case? Thanks, Steve. I am being precise in this
00:46:42.380
case. There are two schools of thought among conservatives about liberalism. Some people
00:46:47.260
believe that the modern left is actually, they've betrayed liberalism. They're not the real liberals.
00:46:52.740
We conservatives are the real liberals. That's not my opinion. Libertarians believe that.
00:46:57.960
Classical liberals believe that. I do not believe that. Some people believe that leftism, progressivism,
00:47:04.280
socialism even, are natural conclusions of liberalism. Not even just the modern liberalism,
00:47:09.520
but going all the way back to those classical liberals, those enlightenment quote-unquote era
00:47:13.380
classical liberals. They think that it's not a betrayal of liberalism, but the natural conclusion
00:47:18.740
of it. I'm very much of that opinion. I think that the shades of difference between liberalism,
00:47:24.180
classical or modern, leftism, progressivism, even socialism and Marxism, I think the shades of
00:47:30.280
difference are minuscule because I think those are all rationalist ideologies that take the individual
00:47:36.820
to be the basic unit of society that upend the traditional moral order or deny the traditional
00:47:42.840
moral order. And I think they're just not really conservative at all. And they all kind of go in
00:47:47.320
different directions, but I think the real alternative, they're all different sides of the
00:47:50.780
same coin or I guess rubrics cube or something. I think the real alternative is the conservative
00:47:56.740
worldview that says the basic unit of society is the family, that says we shouldn't just overturn
00:48:00.900
all traditions or upend all of society, that we ought to do things that we have done,
00:48:05.220
and we ought to recognize the moral order. We ought to recognize that there is such a thing as the
00:48:09.000
good. We can know something about the good. Ultimately, we have obligations to the common
00:48:12.980
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