The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 110 - More Guns, Less Crime ft. Ramesh Ponnuru

00:00:00.000 CNN and mean girl Jake Tapper last night pimped out traumatized kids to hurl vile and dishonest

00:00:06.900 insults at Republicans and supporters of the U.S. Constitution during a fact-free hour on

00:00:12.820 national television. Meanwhile, Republicans and conservatives resort to their evil facts

00:00:18.120 and data and logic to point out that there is no gun homicide crisis in America. Those monsters,

00:00:24.160 those sick, it's so awful. Enough is enough. We will discuss the current state of gun demagoguery

00:00:29.080 with senior editor of National Review, Ramesh Panuru. Then the mailbag. I'm Michael Knowles and

00:00:34.580 this is The Michael Knowles Show. We have to get a little bit better at scheduling our interviews

00:00:45.760 because I just finished talking to Ramesh. We didn't pre-tape him a couple days ago or anything

00:00:50.820 like that. We pre-taped him like 15 minutes ago. So we'll get right ahead and bring him on. This

00:00:55.720 was really awful. If you didn't see the CNN show last night, I'm not even going to play it. It was

00:01:00.200 so despicable. It was just mean girl Jake Tapper sitting there doing that frowny Jake Tapper,

00:01:05.520 I'm a fake journalist face and letting these kids, these poor exploited kids be used as human shields

00:01:11.160 to compare Marco Rubio to mass murderers and to hurl untruth after untruth on national television,

00:01:18.940 knowing that nobody can criticize young kids who have just been traumatized.

00:01:23.080 So to talk about it, we will now bring on and talk to Ramesh Panuru for an interview that we did

00:01:28.920 about 45 seconds ago. Ramesh, thank you for being here. Thanks for having me on.

00:01:34.180 So Ramesh, Democrats are insisting that we do something that's in all caps and with several

00:01:40.880 exclamation marks afterward because enough is enough, also in all caps, also with a lot of

00:01:46.560 exclamation points. They're proposing all sorts of laws right up to the repeal of the Second Amendment

00:01:52.180 and actually that last one was proposed by an erstwhile Republican. I've been asking one question

00:01:59.120 whenever I see these things pop up on Twitter or in discussions and this is the question I'll ask you

00:02:04.420 now. Which new law could we enact that would have prevented this shooting? Well, I think you could

00:02:10.360 make an argument that something like the red flag law or that is to say the gun violence restraining

00:02:16.360 orders might have been able to make a difference, but there are no guarantees and a lot of the

00:02:22.560 suggestions that are being made are either sort of fantasies that would never happen or they are things

00:02:31.180 that would have an extremely limited impact even if they were achieved. Do you find, one thing I love

00:02:37.980 about your writing is that you're like a normal person when you write and it isn't this hyperbolic

00:02:44.100 and these crazy things? And so you had a piece out today, I think, a case for small steps to fix a

00:02:50.540 big gun problem. What are some of those small steps? Well, the red flag idea is one of them. I've

00:02:57.680 always thought there is some merit to the idea of establishing some good Samaritan laws on the same

00:03:04.860 model as we've had various reporting requirements for people who suspect child abuse. It would be a

00:03:10.660 reporting requirement if you suspect that somebody poses an imminent threat of harm to somebody else

00:03:15.980 or if you are providing a law against providing access to guns or bombs to somebody who you think

00:03:22.280 is dangerous. That's the sort of thing that you probably wouldn't actually be prosecuting people

00:03:28.020 for it very often as people are not prosecuted under those child abuse statutes, but I think it would

00:03:33.020 help change some norms and if you would have had those norms in place, some of these mass murder

00:03:39.400 incidents, for example, the Connecticut Sandy Hook slaughter could have been prevented. Well, this is

00:03:46.800 interesting because most of these proposals you hear seem to me either they would be such an

00:03:53.420 infringement of civil liberties that they would be politically impractical and probably not desired

00:03:59.240 either or they wouldn't prevent these shootings. And in the case of Sandy Hook and in the case of this

00:04:03.760 shooting in Florida, there were so many red flags from the beginning. His mother called the police to

00:04:09.540 talk to him because he was such a nut. He was torturing and killing animals when he was younger. Adam Lanza at

00:04:16.620 the Sandy Hook shooting was clearly mentally insane and just stole a gun from his mother. Now, whenever these

00:04:25.060 debates happen, the left tries to take all of our guns and the right points out that we need mental

00:04:30.040 health reform in this country. We closed down all of the insane asylums and it's virtually impossible

00:04:34.920 to commit people against their will. Do you think that there's any political practicality to locking

00:04:41.200 away lunatics, people like the shooter at Sandy Hook or people like we see in Florida where there are so

00:04:47.380 many red flags that if they're a danger to society, we might just lock them up and not have to worry

00:04:52.640 about them. Look, I think involuntary commitment in some cases of severe and dangerous mental illness

00:04:59.260 ought to be on the table. It may be politically impractical, but if so, it is only slightly more

00:05:06.900 politically impractical than banning assault weapons. I mean, recall that in 2013, when Democrats

00:05:12.560 held the Senate, they were only able to muster 40 votes for banning assault weapons. So that's a pretty

00:05:18.280 uphill climb too. And the last time we had an assault weapons ban on the books, its impact on

00:05:24.660 American crime was indetectable. So I think we have to really not just confine ourselves to

00:05:34.220 restrictions on guns as the only possible way to make progress on these issues.

00:05:39.820 And, you know, you bring up the assault weapons ban because this is just another example

00:05:44.640 of language being so twisted, of euphemisms being used to obscure reality. I sent out a tweet the

00:05:52.060 other day with, you know, that little clapping emoji and it said, assault rifles are already banned.

00:05:57.700 The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. The reason we don't let Democrats write our gun laws is they don't

00:06:02.460 know anything about firearms. But the media breathlessly use these euphemisms. They breathlessly

00:06:08.080 mislead. And, you know, you saw this last night, CNN's hour long anti-gun hate fest. And one question

00:06:16.380 that they allowed last night was from one of these kids to Senator Rubio. He said, Senator Rubio,

00:06:21.080 it's hard to look at you and not look down the barrel of an AR-15 and not look at Nicholas Cruz,

00:06:26.300 but you're here. This line comparing Senator Rubio to a mass murderer without, and the adults around

00:06:34.660 him, of course, allowed, they're the ones really responsible. This kid is traumatized and they're

00:06:38.740 exploiting this traumatized kid to hurl vile accusations at Republicans and supporters of

00:06:44.960 the U.S. Constitution. One student now is accusing CNN of trying to get him to read a scripted question.

00:06:51.400 And all the meanwhile, Jake Tapper is sitting there doing nothing with that classic Jake Tapper look

00:06:56.420 on his face, allowing this calumny after calumny to be hurled at people like Rubio. Do you think

00:07:01.820 CNN is guilty of journalistic malpractice for the stunts that it has been pulling since this

00:07:06.840 shooting? Well, I think, first of all, your question points out the truth, which is it's

00:07:11.300 not just this town hall. My next column for Bloomberg, which we'll be posting this afternoon,

00:07:16.900 is about the way CNN has just become a full-fledged advocacy network throughout all of the media that

00:07:23.180 it commands, the network, its Twitter feed, its website. They've all been all in for gun control.

00:07:28.740 What they did in this town hall is give supporters of gun rights an impossible choice. Either they

00:07:36.400 stay away, like Governor Rick Scott, Republican governor of Florida, and everyone calls him a

00:07:41.560 coward, or they show up and get called a murderer, and they get called a murderer by kids who, just by

00:07:47.160 the logic of the situation, you can't really respond to. So whatever value that town hall served,

00:07:56.560 it was not journalistic value. That's a great point. I suppose we can't accuse them of journalistic

00:08:01.840 malpractice because they aren't journalists anymore. They're a communication wing of the

00:08:06.100 Democrat party. And it appears to me, this might sound hyperbolic, but I'm happy to do it in this

00:08:12.540 climate where CNN is exploiting these kids. They're using them like human shields because

00:08:17.220 one cannot criticize a traumatized child. So they hold them up there. They push their incoherent

00:08:23.580 gun control suggestions, suggestions which they're proposing that would have in no way

00:08:29.100 stopped these attacks and these massacres. And then they hold the kids up there because we can't

00:08:34.560 possibly shoot at them. Now, there have been some reform proposals from the right. President Trump

00:08:39.880 has proposed allowing teachers who wish to carry firearms to carry firearms. Here he is doing just

00:08:45.060 that. It only works where you have people very adept at using firearms, of which you have many.

00:08:51.480 And it would be teachers and coaches. If the coach had a firearm in his locker when he ran

00:08:58.020 at this guy, that coach was very brave, saved a lot of lives, I suspect. But if he had a firearm,

00:09:06.080 he wouldn't have had a run. He would have shot. And that would have been the end of it.

00:09:08.600 And this would only be obviously for people that are very adept at handling a gun. And it would be,

00:09:16.320 it's called concealed carry, where a teacher would have a concealed gun on them. They'd go for special

00:09:23.140 training. And they would be there and you would no longer have a gun-free zone. Gun-free zone to a

00:09:31.200 maniac, because they're all cowards. A gun-free zone is, let's go in and let's attack.

00:09:38.480 Now, the Crime Prevention Research Center is accusing Mike Bloomberg's group, Everytown,

00:09:44.800 of cooking up false gun statistics, which isn't terribly surprising. Mike Bloomberg has a group

00:09:50.400 called Mayors Against Illegal Guns, the most ridiculously named organization in the country,

00:09:56.100 as if there were a group, Mayors for Illegal Guns, Mayors for Breaking the Law. But they have

00:10:02.140 concluded, the Crime Prevention Research Center has concluded that 98% of all mass shootings

00:10:07.040 occur in gun-free zones. Why would anyone oppose President Trump's proposal?

00:10:14.260 So, I think that there are people who have concerns that they'll just make the situation worse.

00:10:21.880 There'll be, you know, free fire. You'll have a disgruntled teacher who starts shooting people up,

00:10:26.640 that kind of thing. I think it's a reasonable proposal myself. I think that if you're talking

00:10:32.660 about teachers who have concealed carry permits in their state, take those to school and modifying

00:10:39.120 gun-free zone laws to make that possible. It doesn't seem crazy to me. But, you know, it's another

00:10:47.580 one of those things where we should debate it without hysteria. And we also shouldn't have an

00:10:54.320 expectation, well, this is going to finally solve everything any more than we should have the

00:10:58.460 expectation that getting rid of the assault weapon, you know, banning assault weapons is going to be

00:11:03.000 this huge game changer in American life.

00:11:06.540 Of course. And, you know, the imagination of man's heart is evil from the beginning.

00:11:10.840 So, you obviously see these utopian quests to say, well, not one more, not one more of these

00:11:17.160 shootings. I hate to break it to you. It's a sad fact of reality. There will be one more. There will

00:11:21.640 be more than one more. Now, getting back to your, this, one of your suggestions in the column today,

00:11:28.420 the gun violence restraining order. There, there have been some versions of this legislation enacted in

00:11:34.940 California and Washington as reason.com pointed out yesterday. And there are some, some real worries

00:11:41.340 here, I think about civil liberties being infringed upon. Could you explain a little bit the gun

00:11:46.160 violence restraining order and maybe respond to some of the concerns that just about anybody who

00:11:52.000 wants to deprive you of a civil right could do so because of, we're not in a time where due process

00:11:59.540 is terribly respected, be it on campus or at the workplace or anywhere else?

00:12:04.040 So, I think you're, you're probably referring to Jacob Sollum's article on reason, where he is

00:12:10.240 pointing out some of the drawbacks of some of the existing laws here. He thinks they don't

00:12:15.980 sufficiently protect due process. And that may be right. I mean, and so I think the answer there is

00:12:24.420 to try to craft a law that is respectful due process. The basic idea is for, for relatives or

00:12:31.140 people who are close to others who they believe and have reason to believe pose a danger that they

00:12:38.740 could get some kind of temporary restraining order to keep them from, from having access to weapons.

00:12:45.560 Now, one of the points that Jacob makes in response, I believe, if I'm remembering correctly,

00:12:51.100 you read so many things over the course of a day, sometimes you don't have the greatest,

00:12:54.200 greatest memory of even things from yesterday. But he, he thought that, you know, once you've

00:12:59.520 established a temporary restraining order can just be extended, um, can be renewed in some of

00:13:04.160 these states. Yeah. And, and, uh, I gather from other articles I've read that just as an empirical

00:13:09.680 matter, that's not what happens, that they don't tend to get, uh, just automatically rubber stamp

00:13:16.580 renewed, um, but that they are typically temporary. Well, so there are a couple, I do have a couple more

00:13:22.220 questions on this and even the nature of the debate, how the debate is even being framed.

00:13:27.240 This crisis that we have, we have to do something. We're, we're in the middle of a crisis and, and,

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00:17:05.020 on the East coast, getting back to the issue at hand, the much less fun issue than a cheddar burgers

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00:17:49.560 particular issue. Gun homicide rate is down 50% since 1993, which was a peak year, but it's down

00:17:56.200 a lot. And even back over decades, it's down significantly. Why are we pretending there's

00:18:01.500 a crisis? CNN is exploiting children every 15 minutes on national television, but is there any

00:18:06.720 rational reason to view gun homicide as a particular crisis now or to hurry to ban AR-15s, which as we

00:18:14.160 know are involved in just a small fraction of gun deaths each year compared to handguns, which are

00:18:19.720 involved in several multiples more? Is there any crisis to solve now? So gun homicides have been

00:18:27.940 declining for years. Um, and, uh, that is, you know, I mean, we shouldn't be complacent about the gun

00:18:36.660 homicide rate. Uh, but we shouldn't be, um, you know, in a, in a sense, in a, having a sense of

00:18:43.140 panic either. It does appear as though the frequency of these mass shooting incidents is picking up,

00:18:49.700 or at least they may be picking up. Um, the time in between these mass shooting incidents does seem

00:18:54.560 to be declining. Uh, but it's absolutely right. I do think that people do not sufficiently appreciate

00:19:00.540 how much safer we are than we were just a couple of decades ago. That, that, and it's difficult too,

00:19:06.620 because the definition of a mass shooting keeps changing. So a mass shooting could be, according to

00:19:11.920 the DOJ, more than three people, uh, killed. But I think when we hear the term mass shooting, we picture

00:19:17.960 that awful event in, uh, in Nevada where people, you know, hundreds of people are being riddled with

00:19:23.800 bullets. As, as a matter of, uh, political optics, as a matter of, uh, publicity campaigns for, uh, one

00:19:33.800 particular side of the aisle, these shootings are easily exploited. They're easily, uh, ginned up and

00:19:40.780 used to raise money and try to pass laws. Uh, is there, is there any case in which we should, as everyone

00:19:48.840 is feeling traumatized, as everyone is feeling emotional, as these kids have just seen their

00:19:53.340 classmates be killed? Is there any argument that that is the time we should be passing policy?

00:19:59.040 Or should we always on both sides of the aisle, take a little breather after these incidents and

00:20:04.440 then write our policy when we've calmed down? Well, I think one of the reasons the political

00:20:08.020 process that we have in the U S has so much sort of process to it, um, is precisely to force that kind

00:20:16.560 of deliberation, uh, and that cooling down, you know, typically you've got to go through two

00:20:21.300 chambers of a legislature and you've got to get an executive to sign off and all of that gives you

00:20:27.020 more time and more opportunities to reconsider things. Um, so yeah, I mean, I think that the,

00:20:33.220 the, the danger you're pointing to is real and it's one of the reasons we've got this kind of

00:20:37.900 Madisonian system that we do. I do love that point because sometimes, uh, we'll talk about the

00:20:44.500 federalist, you know, people will write in and ask about the federalist and they'll say,

00:20:47.740 what's the point of Congress. And I always think Congress, uh, as described in the federalist is

00:20:51.820 the place to put all of the sociopaths in the country who can fight one another and not try

00:20:56.040 to take over the entire land and take a little while to affect things so often, particularly on

00:21:01.260 the left, but I suppose occasionally on the right too, we hear people complaining about congressional

00:21:05.480 obstruction. We're not getting anything done. It's taking too long. It's not fast, but isn't that

00:21:10.900 the point of the system? Well, yeah. And I mean, Congress is the first branch of the federal

00:21:16.620 government in the constitution. The presidency is only number two and the judiciary is only number

00:21:21.340 three. Uh, and I think that that does tell you about where the founders thought governing action

00:21:27.340 will be taken. That's right. That's a great point. That is a great point. These things are to begin

00:21:31.960 in a deliberative way. People who are most directly accountable to the people, the representatives who

00:21:37.500 are most directly accountable and, uh, take a little time and go from there and let cooler heads

00:21:41.560 prevail. Excellent. Speaking of cooler heads prevailing, how cool is Ramesh? You, I really do. It is,

00:21:46.200 it is the signature of your writing is a, you, you've somehow made it through a fair bit of time

00:21:51.900 in politics and political journalism and not just gone completely off the deep end and get emotional

00:21:57.840 at every issue, which is a really an excellent part of your writing. So Ramesh, thank you for being here.

00:22:02.780 Ramesh Panuru, uh, you can read him at Bloomberg and the national review and everywhere else on the

00:22:07.500 internet. Uh, thanks for being here. We have got to get very quickly to the mailbag. You're welcome.

00:22:11.420 Isn't he great. I love that guy. He, we were down in Palm beach together at that thing I did a week or

00:22:17.300 two ago. And, uh, yeah, he's, he's one of the few people in politics who is just keeps emotion

00:22:23.320 completely out of it and always appears to, to take things pretty coolly and pretty rationally.

00:22:29.000 So we'll have to bring him back and talk about the many other things because I do get a little

00:22:32.720 riled up when I look at how CNN is exploiting these kids. You look now somehow overnight, all of these

00:22:39.160 kids that have been trotted out on television, have a gazillion followers on Twitter and little

00:22:44.240 blue check marks. And, and they're being, uh, they're being used by the political left to push

00:22:50.120 an agenda that has nothing to do that demonstrably would not reduce gun homicide in America. It's

00:22:56.960 really, really sad to see. And the adults in their life, everyone from their parents to the heads of

00:23:02.500 CNN should feel deep and profound shame that they're letting this happen. It's really,

00:23:06.600 really awful. And, uh, if they, if they can stop it, I think it would not, not only help American

00:23:11.840 political discourse, but it would really help these kids. This isn't going to age well. And

00:23:15.700 these kids are not going to look back on this in 10 or 20 years and say, Oh gee, thanks mom. After I

00:23:20.560 just saw my classmates get mowed down. Thanks for trotting me out on national television. Thanks CNN.

00:23:25.580 Thanks for using me as a pawn in your sick war against Donald Trump. Thanks so much. That was really

00:23:29.620 nice of you to use a 16 or a 17 year old kid that way. Really awful. I hope there's a moment of

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00:27:44.020 that? All right, good. Uh, so the first question comes from Jeff. Question, Knowles, watcher of

00:27:50.500 terrible award shows and films. What is going on with Genesis 16 seemed like the first example of

00:27:57.960 a woman telling a man to do something, him doing it and her getting angry that he actually did it

00:28:03.800 and listened to her. I see the eternal truth in that, but did I miss something here? Sincerest regards,

00:28:10.020 Jeff. No, you got it. That's right. You got it pretty much. For those of you who haven't read

00:28:15.420 Genesis recently, Genesis 6, 16 is when Sarai tells her husband Abram, because Sarai can't bear

00:28:23.260 a child. She tells her husband Abram to take her maid in and get a little frisky with her. And then

00:28:29.100 he can have a child through her. So Abram goes and does that. And then Sarai starts yelling at him

00:28:34.220 and saying, now my maid Hagar doesn't like me anymore. And she's being, this was very bad. You

00:28:38.400 say, well, I just did exactly what you told me to do. Why are you getting so angry? This is a tale as old

00:28:42.900 as time. And this gets to a bigger point in Genesis. You see this all the time now on the

00:28:49.280 left, on college campuses, among the lightly educated who are smarter than your average

00:28:54.820 knucklehead, but not much. And they'll say, oh, you don't believe those fairy tales in Genesis.

00:29:00.780 You don't believe those ridiculous fables. That can't explain anything about our background and our

00:29:06.080 history. And I think, well, what's a better explanation? You show me a better one. You show me a text

00:29:11.340 that better describes the human condition more honestly, more brutally, more predictively than

00:29:18.920 Genesis. There's a good commentary on Genesis by Leon Cass, the humanist out of UChicago that came

00:29:25.080 out a little while ago called The Beginning of Wisdom. And it's a really readable way of getting into

00:29:30.840 Genesis. If you're not terribly religious and don't think about these things all the time, and even if

00:29:35.940 you are, it's a really good philosophical way to get in and realize how profound Genesis is. How when

00:29:41.640 you're dealing with Genesis, you're dealing with probably the greatest text ever composed by humans.

00:29:47.420 Really, really good. You know, this issue of evolution and things like that, they say, well,

00:29:56.180 you don't really believe we came from Adam and Eve, do we? And I was interviewed last week. Someone asked

00:30:00.380 me about this, and I said, they said, do you believe in evolution or Adam and Eve or do you know this or

00:30:05.160 that? And I said, well, I don't know. I suppose some version of evolution could be true. But what I do

00:30:09.920 know, and I do know that the Bible isn't literal because the word literal can't describe it, right?

00:30:15.120 The word literal means not symbolic, but literally refers to letters, which are symbols. So you get into

00:30:21.560 a little trouble there. Nobody thinks that Job is literal. We don't think that it's journalism,

00:30:26.380 that someone's writing down a conversation between God and Satan. We don't think that

00:30:31.900 Song of Solomon is a history or some journalistic account. We certainly know that. So obviously,

00:30:39.380 there are genres in the Bible. We know that Christ himself doesn't always speak literally as much as

00:30:44.920 we can use that word because he speaks parabolically. And many times he uses parables. So we know that

00:30:50.120 already exists in the Bible. One thing I do know, though, is that the accounting of human nature

00:30:56.020 in Genesis is the best accounting of human nature. Whatever that means, what we can glean from our

00:31:04.700 origins, the account in Genesis, is much more profound and much more accurate than any new

00:31:10.780 anthropological account that someone will dig up and that will be revised in a few years. I think

00:31:15.260 that's a really good way of looking at it. But yeah, if you see something predicted in Genesis,

00:31:18.860 you see something described in Genesis, know that it is part of the eternal human nature.

00:31:23.020 And that can be pretty terrifying. Okay, do we have to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube?

00:31:27.940 Do we have to do it? Oh, we got some good mailbag questions today, and we're running a little late

00:31:32.380 on time. So okay, I'm sorry. If you are on YouTube, you're a liar. We're being censored. If you're on

00:31:37.520 Facebook, make sure to go to dailywire.com right now. Why? Well, you'll get me. You get the Andrew

00:31:42.980 Klavan show. You get the Ben Shapiro show. You will get the conversation next time with Ben. If he

00:31:47.740 survives in the swamp, he's at CPAC right now. So if he makes it back here, he'll do the conversation.

00:31:53.280 Otherwise, I'm going to have to strip down to my skimmies and put on the smoking jacket again.

00:31:56.920 Don't let that happen. But the real thing you get is the leftist here's Tumblr. And I got to tell you,

00:32:02.280 I don't think CNN has been exploiting these kids. It isn't a good look not only for them. It's not a

00:32:07.720 good look for the left. They're not going to come out looking nice in this. I think the majority of

00:32:11.820 people in this country think it's so reckless and irresponsible and despicable what is being done to

00:32:16.180 those kids. It isn't going to help them try to push their gun grabbing laws. When that becomes

00:32:21.040 clear, you're going to need this. You're going to need to keep your second amendment rights in this

00:32:26.140 hand. You're going to need to keep your leftist here's Tumblr in this hand. They go together like

00:32:30.020 love and marriage, like a horse and carriage. You're going to want to make sure you have both.

00:32:34.460 You can only get that at dailywire.com. We'll be right back.

00:32:46.180 Next question from Andy. Hey, MK, how do I come out of the Trump closet to my friends and family?

00:32:53.000 Are you in Trump's closet? Let him, let him out of here, president. He, no, I understand what you're

00:32:56.700 saying. I had to do it too. As Peter Thiel said, it was harder for him to come out as a Trump

00:33:01.180 supporter than gay. My dad is a massive liberal and is pretty far left. And my mom is a neocon

00:33:08.120 cuck-servative. And everyone I know, bar a few friends, thinks Trump is a sexist, racist,

00:33:13.560 et cetera. What do you propose I do? Thanks. First of all, excellent use of language. It was

00:33:18.360 really good. This ties into another question that we got on. I think it's, yeah, it's the next

00:33:22.120 question. We got another one from Noah. He said, Michael, I've been losing more and more relationships

00:33:26.300 because I've been more vocal about my conservative views. I'm not going to lie. It's pretty

00:33:30.520 heartbreaking. How do I deal with this? Thanks, Noah. Tough questions. To the first question,

00:33:37.180 the one from Andy, you have to do it boldly. If you're going to come out and say,

00:33:42.760 this is how I view the world and this is what I think about politics, do it boldly. Don't be

00:33:47.020 mealy-mouthed about it like those cuck-servatives to use your language. Don't be mealy-mouthed about

00:33:52.900 it because you have nothing to apologize for. If you have something to apologize for, if you think

00:33:57.280 there's something shameful about supporting one politician over another, then maybe you shouldn't

00:34:01.940 support that politician. If you think it's shameful, if there's something to apologize for. But I don't

00:34:06.180 think there's anything to apologize for. I don't think that supporting Donald Trump makes one racist or

00:34:11.380 sexist or yada, yada, yada, yada at all. I think it's much better. I think it's not supporting

00:34:16.740 President Trump at this point. You have a lot more explaining and a lot more apologizing to do.

00:34:22.460 And so if that's your rule, just do it boldly. Come what may, you have to say, look, this is what

00:34:26.340 I think. This is how I view the world. I'm not going to pretend I view it some other way. And if you

00:34:31.140 are going to be so offended by my stating how I view the world and you're going to become emotional

00:34:37.380 about it, maybe it's you who doesn't have the right view of things. You don't have to go out

00:34:42.120 there and start screaming and yelling and try to get people to beat people into submission and agreeing

00:34:48.180 with how you see the world. But I find if you just state your opinion clearly and are a normal person

00:34:54.560 and a rational person about it, you're going to come off much better than the people who are screaming

00:34:58.860 and yelling and accusing you of all sorts of calumny. So that's the first part. Second part is you're

00:35:03.060 going to lose friends. You are going to lose friends for it. And that's rough. I mean, as

00:35:07.580 who wrote that second one? Noah wrote that. Look, I've seen this. I remember at various points in my

00:35:16.500 life when I've been relatively more quiet on politics, I'm more broadly liked. That just goes

00:35:22.100 without saying. And the minute, you know, if you, Dick Cheney was asked if he was upsetting to him

00:35:28.680 that people call him Darth Vader. And he said, if I wanted to be loved, I'd be a movie star.

00:35:33.440 But sometimes it's more important to be effective than to be loved. And that's very true. In politics,

00:35:40.780 especially at a time like this, you are going to be reviled by at least a quarter of the population.

00:35:46.660 I don't think it's fully half, but at least a quarter of the population. If you live in a place

00:35:50.820 like mine, you're committing the heresy of voting for any Republican in these days will make you reviled,

00:35:58.540 possibly by a majority of people. You just have to deal with that. And you have to ask yourself,

00:36:02.360 what's more important to you. If it's more important for you to be loved, not really for

00:36:08.320 who you are and what you think, but if some artificial version of yourself and your views

00:36:13.900 that you're putting out there, if it's more important for that to be loved, then you should

00:36:17.140 be a movie star and you should keep your mouth shut about politics. If you think it's more important

00:36:21.600 to be effective and to deal in reality and to state your views authentically and honestly and keep your

00:36:27.700 integrity in that way, clearly I'm leading you toward one answer or the other, then you have

00:36:33.280 to be prepared to take bullets for that. You have to be prepared to take the hits that are going to

00:36:36.980 come in public discourse. But I don't know. I think that's fine. It gives you a thick skin,

00:36:42.020 first of all, which is important. And it will make you intellectually stronger because when you

00:36:47.100 are up against people who so disagree with you and are constantly throwing out statistics and

00:36:52.740 insults at you all day, you'll either change your views a little bit depending on if those

00:36:57.540 points are correct or you'll, at the very least, know how to respond to them and learn more about

00:37:03.160 what you think and be able to convince more people. That's really what I recommend. But know

00:37:09.300 that there's a cost. It doesn't come free. We like to get free things these days. There's no such

00:37:14.160 thing as a free lunch unless you watch this show and subscribe to Blue Apron. But other than that,

00:37:18.480 in real life, beyond this show, there's no such thing as a free lunch. And you've got to be willing

00:37:22.900 to take that and be aware of that. And by the way, this view of reality, where we have to take

00:37:28.760 some things that we're uncomfortable with, not things that we are morally opposed to,

00:37:33.340 but things that we don't love it, we're a little uncomfortable. That's how the world works. And I

00:37:37.600 think there are arguments on the right. There are a lot of people who are much more comfortable

00:37:40.780 swilling Chardonnay and saying, oh yes, isn't Trump just so awful? I mean, I love the tax reform and

00:37:45.620 the deregulation and our increased stature on a national stage and moving the Israel embassy to

00:37:51.420 Jerusalem. And all of the wonderful proposals that are on the docket right now. Oh, I like the idea

00:38:00.740 that maybe we'll have an infrastructure bill. If we have to have one, it won't be wild, reckless

00:38:06.000 spending like under the Obama administration. I like the idea that we might have entitlement reform.

00:38:09.460 I like all these things. But I just hate Trump. Oh, he's just so yucky. And the tweets, right? You can't

00:38:15.200 have that. All value is enfleshed. The only times that values can make any difference in the world

00:38:22.600 is when people do them and people affect them. And so you've got to take the hits for that too.

00:38:27.200 That's just the way the world works. We live in time and space and reality is not a bad thing.

00:38:32.540 Reality is all right. Just, you know, don't be afraid of it. From Christopher.

00:38:37.780 Dear Holy Roman Emperor Knowles. Finally, finally someone understands. They see the real me.

00:38:42.720 King of trolls and master of lulls. Leftists control practically everything. Based on your

00:38:48.640 understanding of the near Soviet level of subversion the previous administration was

00:38:52.160 willing to use against political rivals and the building rage of those who still control our organs

00:38:56.280 of communication and technology. Do you think ordinary Americans ought to be in prep mode

00:39:00.500 for a major leftist media tech war in the near future? P.S. Learning Esperanto to troll a Soros

00:39:07.120 wedding. Savage. Thanks. It is already happening. The tech war is already happening. It's been

00:39:13.000 happening slowly for years and in a really concerted way by the giants for a few months. I mean, it is

00:39:19.040 happening now. I don't know. I make a little joke at the end of the show every, or when I sign off from

00:39:23.120 Facebook because I say, you're not watching on YouTube. They're censoring us. They really are

00:39:28.660 censoring us. I can't tell you what is happening. I was, I did an interview with The Guardian

00:39:32.820 last week or two weeks ago about Peter Thiel moving down here. Peter Thiel is leaving Silicon

00:39:37.600 Valley because it's a one-party town and they, they are, they are waging war on conservatives

00:39:43.380 right now. They are censoring us on Google. They are censoring us on YouTube. They are subsidizing

00:39:49.860 left-wing channels. They are privileging left-wing channels and dinging us for the same things that

00:39:56.200 they let them get away with. It is happening. It's too bad we don't have a conservative YouTube.

00:39:59.840 The real issue now is they won't come out and be honest and say, we're targeting conservatives.

00:40:06.500 So instead, all they do, there are many people that work at these organizations and their whole job

00:40:11.740 is just to string us along and obfuscate and say, oh, we don't know what's, oh, I wonder why that

00:40:17.180 happened. Oh yeah, I don't know. Let's do another call in three weeks or something like that. It is

00:40:21.940 happening. And if they came out and they said, we're not going to allow conservatives on, then we can,

00:40:25.820 then we would have grants to build our own platform and we could maybe convince some more people to do

00:40:30.720 it. But look, Facebook is the largest publisher in the history of the world. And yet it's not regulated

00:40:35.980 at all as a publisher. And now they say we're just a social network. They're not a social network.

00:40:42.760 They control what's in your newsfeed. They have algorithms that determines what you see. It isn't

00:40:47.480 just an open platform. And so conservatives should be wary of government regulations, of course,

00:40:55.280 but never say never. That's a very simplistic view of the world. And we at least need a level

00:40:59.060 playing field. So if these places are going to be the largest publishers in the history of the world,

00:41:03.540 if they are going to have practical monopolies over their spaces, we at least need to regulate these

00:41:09.500 publishers as we regulate other publishers. We at least need an even playing field. And

00:41:14.060 conservatives should get behind that. Prager University is suing Google right now because

00:41:18.820 they're censoring Dennis Prager talking about the Ten Commandments. That is absolutely fine. And we need

00:41:24.540 to flex our muscle a little bit in this country or they're going to run us over. They have declared

00:41:29.640 war. And if we pretend that it's not happening, we're just going to get run over. Okay. Next question

00:41:36.120 from Anthony Melillo. Hey, King Knowles. I'm a big fan. I recently got into an argument with my brother

00:41:42.160 about whether or not creationism and evolution can coexist. Do you believe these two ideas work?

00:41:46.840 If so, how? As St. Augustine pointed out, scripture tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens

00:41:51.040 go. I certainly think they can work perfectly well. There are obviously, this was pointed out during

00:41:58.580 the Scopes Monkey trial. There are some issues with saying that, with referring to days before the

00:42:04.000 creation of the sun, because obviously the way that we measure a day is by the circling of the earth

00:42:09.360 and the sun. So clearly this is being written in many levels of metaphor. There's a wonderful

00:42:17.040 argument made by the analytic philosopher Alvin Plantinga, which says that if evolution is true,

00:42:23.440 if natural selection is true, then naturalism can't be true. That the material world without God can't be

00:42:29.700 true. And it's a really clever argument. You should go and read it. But one reason that these two things

00:42:37.920 can go together is, and C.S. Lewis said that two things can go together, G.K. Chesterton said that

00:42:42.440 two things can go together, is that we must have faculties of reason. So if everything is just totally

00:42:51.680 material, if there are no ideas, no forms, there's no metaphysical world, then we can't rely on our

00:42:58.900 faculties of reason to tell us the truth. We can rely on our faculties of reason to tell us things that

00:43:04.360 will be advantageous to us and help us out of situations. But we can't rely on them to tell us

00:43:09.220 the truth, including our own thoughts about natural selection and about the creation of the world.

00:43:14.540 So I would always urge caution on these things. I don't think that they're in conflict at all.

00:43:19.900 And the church never thought they were in conflict until very recently, until the left started telling

00:43:24.840 us they were in conflict. But I wouldn't get too carried away on either aspect of it, either on the

00:43:32.720 evolution side, because evolutionary science is constantly changing, or on the theological side,

00:43:38.960 because St. Augustine said it very well, scripture tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens

00:43:43.420 go. From James Lawler, from James Saluton Knowles, great knower of things, whenever I hear someone is

00:43:50.600 being accused of being racist now, or some view is racist, or talk about institutional racism, I'm feeling

00:43:56.820 more like that word no longer means what it should. It used to be that being called a racist was a fairly

00:44:01.420 damning indictment of someone's character. However, I'm now reminded of the boy who cried wolf whenever

00:44:06.320 I hear this. Not being content with eroding the meaning of the word truth, has the left completely

00:44:11.140 eroded the meaning and impact of terms like racist now? Thank you, James. Yeah, they have, they have.

00:44:17.200 Don't worry at all. When they call you a racist, it doesn't matter. It means you won the argument,

00:44:20.660 is what it means when a lefty calls you a racist. That said, racism is a thing. Racism, just because

00:44:26.200 they portray everyone as being racist, doesn't mean that we should pretend that racism doesn't

00:44:31.980 exist, and racial discrimination doesn't exist, and we should just ignore that. It is a thing.

00:44:36.580 Racism is usually based on a tenuous biological musing or musings made up by atheists who are

00:44:43.220 obsessed with pop psychology. You see this on the godless right, all of the guys like Richard Spencer

00:44:47.980 or Jared Taylor, who pretend to defend Western civilization, but don't actually embody what has

00:44:54.540 animated Western civilization. Whenever you see people talking about pop psychology or evolutionary

00:44:59.420 psychology or talking about racial differences and their implications for public policy, take it

00:45:05.820 with a grain of salt. I think people cherry-picking evidence and not really thinking that deeply,

00:45:12.200 people who aren't geneticists, people who aren't biologists, trying to draw conclusions because

00:45:17.660 it's fun and they read some pop science article somewhere. If we're going to demand serious

00:45:23.840 contemplation of things, we should demand it across the board. And don't forget the thing that animates

00:45:28.360 the West is the God in whom there is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free nor male nor female

00:45:33.560 for all to one in Christ Jesus. That's what makes up Christendom. And if you're going to try to take

00:45:39.000 the Christ out of Christendom, you're going to end up with a hellish, decadent husk of a civilization.

00:45:44.360 Maybe that's where we are. Do we have time for one more?

00:45:46.700 Yep.

00:45:47.440 Okay, we have time. Man, we have so many more to get to today. Sorry, guys, you're going to have to save

00:45:50.580 them for the conversation. Oh, gosh. Okay, I'm going to do two more. I don't even care what you

00:45:54.280 say. So this next one comes from Brett. Michael, what are a few of your favorite comedy movies?

00:45:59.680 The greatest comedy movie of all time is Me, Myself, and Irene. That's it. That's enough.

00:46:03.860 Airplane's also good, too. I Love the Jerk with Steve Martin. But that's it. Those are phenomenal

00:46:09.200 movies. And Me, Myself, and Irene is deeply underrated. We'll have to close on this one, even though

00:46:13.480 we have so many more good questions. It's very frustrating. From Emily. Dear Captain Covfefe, you mentioned

00:46:19.440 that donating to political campaigns is an extension of free speech. Well, I think you should be able

00:46:23.360 to do what you want with your own money. I don't see it as an extension of free speech. I don't

00:46:27.160 understand the problem with limiting campaign spending, so long as everyone is limited to the

00:46:30.880 same amount. Can you explain your views on this a little bit more? Thanks. Love the show. Yeah,

00:46:34.880 you bet. If I want to make a sign that says, vote for Johnny for city council, that costs money to do

00:46:40.460 that. It isn't free. You have to buy the materials to do that. You have to put them up somewhere.

00:46:44.460 Any use of my political speech in a campaign will involve some kind of money. And if I

00:46:49.360 really think, if good old Johnny is running for city council against wicked Mr. Nazi, I don't want

00:46:57.360 to be limited. I don't think that wicked Mr. Nazi and good boy Johnny should receive the same amount

00:47:02.060 of money to run their campaigns. I think there will be a clear expression of enthusiasm by who donates

00:47:06.960 to these things. And plus, we also know that money doesn't decide elections. Donald Trump was

00:47:11.380 outspent two to one. He's still won an electoral landslide. There was an important case

00:47:16.580 that was filed by James Buckley, the United States Senator from the conservative party and

00:47:24.260 also the brother of Bill Buckley that helped to determine this. But it wasn't just Bill Buckley

00:47:31.360 who luckily won one of these first cases for free expression and political speech, which ultimately

00:47:38.780 culminated in Citizens United. But it was signed onto by the 1968 presidential candidate, Eugene McCarthy,

00:47:44.860 the New York Civil Liberties Union, the American Conservative Union, the Peace and Freedom Party,

00:47:48.920 the Libertarian Party, and numerous other plaintiffs. The only people who oppose this sort of thing is

00:47:54.760 Hillary Clinton. So when you've got the American Civil Liberties Union, or rather the New York

00:48:00.160 Civil Liberties Union, Eugene McCarthy, the Democrat, James Buckley, a conservative, the conservative

00:48:05.380 union, the Peace and Freedom Party, we have all of them agreeing that we need more political speech.

00:48:09.640 And then you've got Hillary Clinton disagreeing. It's a good case, and it's a good bet that the former

00:48:15.260 is going to be right. Because we live in space and time, and because in order to do things that requires

00:48:21.280 money, you shouldn't be limiting that. Whenever you say you can only donate 50 bucks, then that means you can

00:48:27.020 only have this ad run for this candidate. And it unfairly will create certain parodies when Johnny Goodboy

00:48:35.900 running for city council should probably have some more enthusiasm than Mr. Nazi, Mr. Nazi Man running

00:48:41.840 for city council. Okay, we have so much more to get to, but we don't have time. Sorry, guys, we're going

00:48:45.980 to talk about Christianity, Catholicism, Mormonism, and what type of hair product I use, but we'll just

00:48:51.100 have to save that for next week. That is the show Try to Survive the Weekend. I am Michael Knowles.

00:48:54.860 This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you on Monday.

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The Michael Knowles Show - February 22, 2018

Ep. 110 - More Guns, Less Crime ft. Ramesh Ponnuru

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