Ep. 116 - Surviving Bill Clinton's Sex Crimes ft. Juanita Broaddrick
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Juanita Broderick's new book, You'd Better Put Some Ice On That, details how she survived being raped by Bill Clinton. She talks about her experience in the early days of the feminist movement and how she managed to survive.
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Democrats have turned on the Clintons. Me too. Hashtag me too. I guess I was never for the
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Clintons and I'm still not. Me too. The New York Times ran a column by Michelle Goldberg in which
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the columnist stated that she believes Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broderick. That ran in
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November 2017. The Atlantic ran a piece in November 2017 titled Reckoning with Bill Clinton's Sex
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Crimes. Also November 2017. The Washington Post ran a piece titled Democrats are trying to reckon
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with Bill Clinton's alleged sex crimes. It's not going well. Guess when that ran? November 2017.
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November 2017. You know, one full year after all of those outlets were campaigning hard to put Bill
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Clinton back in the White House. One full year after Democrats, after feminists, after all of the
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Me Too lapel pin wearing pussy hat clad activists did everything in their power to put Bill Clinton
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back in the White House. But in November 2017, something changed. Despite every effort to deny
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the results of the 2016 election, the Clintons were finished in electoral politics and Democrats
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needed to attack Republican candidates for October surprise sexual allegations. But they had trouble
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doing so when they had denied and covered up Bill Clinton's far more credible decades long allegations
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of sex crimes up to and including the rape of Juanita Broderick in 1978. When Clinton's sex crimes
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mattered, Democrats denied them, buried them, said they didn't matter. When there was no electoral cost
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to throwing out pervy Democrats, as with the case of Al Franken or the Clintons post-2016, they did it
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when there was no cost. When there was electoral cost, as with the case of Bob Menendez last year or the
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Clintons pre-2016, they vigorously defended them. Today, we are joined by Juanita Broderick to discuss
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her firsthand experience outlined in her new book, You'd Better Put Some Ice on That, How I Survived
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Being Raped by Bill Clinton. The Clintons, the Me Too movement, feminist hypocrisy, and more. I'm Michael
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to bring Juanita on right off the top. Before we get into it, I do want to make one point
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with regard to a show last week. I did a show on Bill Buckley where I had my college professor
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and my friend of many years, Al Felsenberg on to talk about Buckley. But then I saw
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the replay and there was this audio issue where I could not hear his audio stream while
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I was asking questions. There's probably a grander metaphor to this, but as a technical
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matter, I couldn't hear him. So I didn't hear some of his interjections during that discussion,
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which is too bad because I heard them on a replay and I actually want to quibble with
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some of those interjections. But it's too late now. I just wanted to point that out because
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it looks like I was just steamrolling him. So I want to apologize to Professor Felsenberg
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in the audience. And I certainly would never do that intentionally. And hopefully that issue
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is fixed now as we bring on today's guests. Juanita Broderick is a former nursing home
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administrator from Van Buren, Arkansas, and the author of a new book, You'd Better Put
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Some Ice on That, How I Survived Being Raped by Bill Clinton. Juanita, thank you so much
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for being here. Hey, Michael. Thanks for asking. Juanita, your life is obviously so much more
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than one incident, particularly such an awful incident that anybody would want to bury and forget.
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But April 25th, 1978 changed your life. You titled your book, You'd Better Put Some Ice on That. Why?
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That was exactly what Bill Clinton said to me after he had bitten my lip, which was swollen about three
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times the size that it should be. It was bleeding. And as he left the room, that's what he said to me.
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You'd better put some ice on that. Very coldly. In the book, you tell this experience very graphically.
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I don't want to make you go into that here and make you relive it on the show. But as he as he's heading
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toward the door, he looks at you. He says, you'd better put some ice on that. Is there any look on his
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face of remorse or of anything? What is how does somebody say that to a person they've just victimized?
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I have no idea, Michael. It was just so blatant. It was just so cold. And the phrase that he said to
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me just before that, before he put on his coat, I was sitting up on the side of the bed. I was crying.
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And he just looks at me very bewildered. And he makes this very weird statement. And he says,
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I'm sterile. Don't worry. I had mumps when I was a child. And I, that, that to me was the most bizarre
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statement that anyone could make after raping someone. But then when he calmly walked to the door
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and he motioned with his hand to my lip and puts on his sunglasses and says, you better put some ice on
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that. And then just walks out the door. Like, like it was an everyday thing.
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Well, obviously there have been multiple victims of Bill Clinton. So I don't know if it was an
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everyday thing, but clearly there was a pattern. And it's, it's that image that you, you discuss
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is so haunting because we have this image of Bill Clinton on the Arsenio Hall show with his saxophone
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and putting his sunglasses on. Now we have a very different image of Bill Clinton with those
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sunglasses. You said he wore the sunglasses to the hotel room. Was he hoping not to be noticed?
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Yes. Yes. When I, I, I assumed, I just, I can still remember four decades ago when I opened the door
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and there he stood in a dim lit hallway with his sunglasses on. That's the first thing that should
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have tipped me off. Uh, but, but I still let him come into the room. I mean, this was the attorney
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general. And, uh, even though I thought that was extremely strange, I let that go by.
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Now you, you write in the book that Bill Clinton apologized to you in 1991. So this is decades after
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the incident. This is 13 years after the incident. How did he apologize and why did he apologize?
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Right. Right. I, when I was at a nursing home, now I had had, uh, uh, a letter from the state in 1984. I
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had, I hadn't had any contact with Bill Clinton except when he would try to get in touch with me
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on the phone after the rape, he would call my nursing home and I would tell him to tell him I'm
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not there. But in 1984, I got a letter for being the best nursing home in the state of Arkansas.
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And across the bottom of it, he had scrolled, I admire you very much Bill. And I thought that was
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so, so strange, you know, to me, he was saying, I admire you for keeping quiet. Right. And then in
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1991, uh, I was down at a nursing home meeting with the same nurse who was with me the day of the rape,
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uh, and her sister, we were down there at a meeting. And all of a sudden the gentleman comes to the door
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and said, Mrs. Broderick is wanted in the hall. So I get up and walk out and the nurses come behind
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me. They're following a little ways behind me. And the gentleman points down around the corner
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toward the elevator. And he said, you're wanted down there. And I was alarmed that it was emergency
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from home. Uh, but anyway, as I go and I go around the corner, there stands Bill Clinton.
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And he's standing there with two, I assumed Arkansas state policemen. And he walks away from
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them, comes toward me. And this was shocking. I mean, I hadn't been in this man's presence in
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13 years. And, and it was just shocking to see him standing there. And he rushes over to me,
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tries to take my hand. And I start backing up from him. And he keeps saying, he started saying these
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things like, I'm so sorry for what I did. I'm a changed man. I'm a family man. I'm just not that
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same person anymore. Something I'm paraphrasing, but that was the essence of what he was saying to me.
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And I just looked at him and I, I didn't, I didn't say anything for a minute. And he just stood there
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with his puzzled look on his face. And I looked at him and I said, you go to hell. And I turned and
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walked away back to the nurse, where the nurses were standing. So this, after the incident, he's,
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he tries to get in touch with you. And as you write in the book, a very bizarre behavior. I mean,
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just as bizarre as leaving the room and saying, put some ice on that and don't worry, I'm sterile.
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And then he comes in 1991 and that timing seems a little coincidental. Was he just tying up a loose
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end? Yeah, exactly. But I didn't know it at the time. In fact, the nurses and I, we went,
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two on our lunch break right after that. And we began to, to, uh, feel a little bit sympathetic
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with him. And we would say, I told him what he had said. And they said, well, do you think he
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really means it? And then I got to feeling bad because I told him, told him to go to hell.
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And I thought, I really did. And, uh, so it was about two weeks later that he announced he was
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running for president. And I thought, that's the reason. But you know what frightened me is that he
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knew where I was at that, at that moment in time, that really frightened me as much as him calling me
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out of the meeting and apologizing to me. It frightened me that he knew my whereabouts.
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This is the question that very often comes up and not just with you, but other victims of sexual
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crimes is, well, why didn't you right away file a police report? Why didn't you make a big deal
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about it? Why didn't you tell everybody? And you bring up this point of, this is a powerful man and
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he knows where I am. Uh, it was that you're feeling right after the incident to that feeling
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grow by the time that it's 1991 and he can find you quickly. Uh, what was, what was that journey
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like? No, that, that didn't bother me. What bothered me more than anything was the time that I was in,
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uh, in the seventies, you would, people would say, all men will be men, just deal with it.
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And I felt responsible Michael for allowing him to come to my room. I took the blame myself. I
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should never have, but that's the, that's how it was back in the seventies. Uh, you allow a man to
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come to your room or be with you or in any way. And it's your, it's the woman's fault. And also this
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man was the attorney general, he was the police. I never, ever thought that I could go to the police
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in any way. And also hit the office of attorney general and the office of governor, which he
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became shortly operated at, they regulated my nursing homes. He could have shut me down at a
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moment's notice. Of course, there's so much threat. And you, you see this throughout Bill Clinton's
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career is this, not just the personal depravity, but also the professional abuse of power constantly.
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One thing, uh, the book is a fascinating read and I noticed it's self-published. And I think that is
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a great strength of the book. It doesn't read like it was written by some publishing executive or some
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famous editor. It reads much more unfiltered like that. It reads like you telling what happened.
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Why did you choose to self-publish? I'm sure any publishing house would have given you a book deal
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in two seconds with a big fat advance as well. Oh no, no. In fact, when I submitted it
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to two or three different, uh, publishers, they wanted nothing to do about my life before Bill
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Clinton. They only wanted to do with Bill Clinton. And I just felt like I was more than that. You know,
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my life, how my life was going along before I met Bill Clinton and what that rape did to me,
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uh, you know, after I met him, I just thought it was so important to tell about my life and also
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about my struggles with my mom who was an abuser, uh, who physically abused my sister and I, it was
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just an important story to, for me to tell. It was part of the survival in what I had gone through as a
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child and then got over all of that, became a successful business woman, owned my own nursing
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homes. And then I meet Bill Clinton and I had to start all over again. It's so important that context,
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I will say, having read the book, it, it just puts you into a context where if it were just some
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tabloid thing, and this is one day that happened and maybe a couple of the follow-ups, you would have
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so many questions. You would say, how did this woman get here? What was she like? Can I relate to
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this person? Can I, what, what it was the circumstances of her life. And it really puts it into context and you
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do it very well in the book. Now you talk about this also, obviously in, in your, uh, story about
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what happened in 1998 in the Paula Jones affidavit, you said that Bill Clinton did not rape you despite
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having told friends and family for years from an hour after it happened that he did rape you.
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Why did you say otherwise 20 years later in that Paula Jones affidavit?
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Well, it was just like I was saying, Michael, my life was going along very well. I was successful
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and I had seen what had happened to the other women who came forward who, who were villainized,
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who were absolutely drugged through the dirt. And I did not want that to happen to me. I had,
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I had absolutely denied this for 20 years to anybody in the media who would ask. And I was just
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absolutely incensed that someone would out me for their own personal gain. It, it made me very
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angry. And I told my attorney at the time, I said, I'm not getting involved in this. You do anything,
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set up the deposition. I will deny it. And that's exactly what I did. I did not want involved.
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You know, one thing I always found it so tawdry when people would drag this out and say, look,
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in this one affidavit, she denied it when there are plenty of explanations why you've given plenty
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of explanations why you did that. But the, the, I think the most glaring evidence here is that
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independent counsel Ken Starr granted you immunity for perjury it for, in the Jones affidavit,
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if you would state honestly what did happen and you did state what happened, that he raped you,
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but you said that he didn't bribe you. So your testimony to Ken Starr actually didn't help
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any obstruction of justice case against Bill Clinton. It's not as though Ken Starr said,
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I'll give you immunity. If you say what we want you to say, your testimony to Starr didn't further
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that case. You, you simply told the truth after consulting lawyers who said you can't lie to the
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federal government. Right. That's exactly how it was. And I knew my son's an attorney and he,
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whenever he found out that I was going to be deposed by Ken Starr and the FBI, he came to me and he said,
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mom, it's time you've got to tell the truth. And I told him, I said, I can't, I just can't do that.
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And he said, it's time you're going to have to. So I listened to my son. I went there and those
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attorneys and people that interviewed me were so courteous and so nice and so respectful
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and were very sympathetic to what had happened to me. But when they kept asking me questions,
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did you, were you offered bribes? Were you threatened to keep quiet? I had to say no.
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Right. Because you, you weren't, you weren't threatened in any overt way by the Clinton team.
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But this does bring us to the, the former future president herself, Hillary Clinton. What was Hillary's
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role in all of this? Oh my goodness. Hillary Clinton. Now, if you go back to 1978,
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I was in a daze for probably two or three months. I was in shock. There was a few people that know that
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knew, uh, but I just had to face this every day, what had happened to me and try to go on with life.
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And then about three weeks after the rape, I, when I was volunteering for Clinton's campaign,
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I had set up a fundraiser with my friends, Buddy and Betty Criswell. They had a beautiful home here
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in Van Buren. And I thought, well, that's going to be a great place for a fundraiser. So I helped
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set that up. I got them to, uh, to say that they would have it at their home. And then as the time
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grew toward this, I knew I couldn't go. I knew that I just, I just didn't want to be in their presence
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at all. But I told Betty, I said, I'm going to run some information up to you. And I also had a few
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checks that people, when I would go around in the evenings and put up yard signs, I had about three
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or four checks for $25 or less. And I gave those to Betty and I was about to leave, uh, about 15
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minutes before the fundraiser began. And then as I start toward the front door, a gentleman comes over
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to me, a good friend, his name is Charles Watts. And he comes over to me. He was the one that drove
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him from the airport. And he said, I've just got to tell you that the topic of the conversation all
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the way from the airport was the Clintons asking me questions about you. And man, I just froze. I
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thought I've got to get out of here. But before I could, here comes Hillary Clinton straight for me.
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And you know, I even relate to this in the book. As she started toward me, my thoughts were,
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here comes that poor woman that's married to that monster. I mean, I was, I was thinking,
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how am I even going to say anything to her after what her husband did to me? And she comes over to
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me very pleasant, smiling, uh, takes my hand and begins to say, I just want you to know how appreciative
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Bill are, Bill and I are for everything that you do in the campaign. And I think I just sort of
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nodded because I was just in shock and started to walk toward the door. And as I did, I feel
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somebody grab me from behind. And I think it's somebody wanting to tell me goodbye. They knew I
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was leaving. And, uh, I turn around and it's Hillary Clinton that has a hold of my arm and she pulls me
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down to her and that there's not, it's not a pleasant smile anymore. It's a very much of a
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angry frown. And she pulls me down to her and she says, do you understand everything you do?
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And that's when I thought, my God, I've got to get out of here. That was a threat. And that was just
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like being raped all over again. And at that moment in time, I felt like she knew what had
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happened to me. It certainly sounds like she does. And that double whammy of, of you're expecting this,
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this woman to you, to have some, for you to have some empathy for her or vice versa. And then,
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and then a very thinly veiled threat. You know, one thing about this, so you, you see Hillary Clinton
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here, she says this thing to you. And, and then publicly you're silent for many years and you,
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obviously the story was percolating in the press. You would get calls from reporters,
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but you'd turn them down. Finally, you relent and you grant an interview to Lisa Myers of NBC.
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And then NBC didn't run the interview. Eventually Brit Hume of Fox news started wearing a free Lisa
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Myers button on his own program. Eventually much later, NBC under pressure aired the interview.
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Why did it take so long? Well, I don't think they would have ever aired it had it not been for Dorothy
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Rabinowitz. Well, she showed up at my home and did a, uh, uh, Juanita Broderick meets the press.
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This was in the wall street journal. Is that right?
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Yes. Yes. Yes. In the wall street journal. And I think then the public outrage, you know,
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for the, uh, interview to be shown was really mounting. And of course, when they did show it,
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it was after the impeachment. That timing is crucial because this has been going on in NBC
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for a long time, but they buried it. And, uh, when you spoke to people from NBC, when you spoke to,
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uh, Lisa or whomever, Lisa Myers or anyone else there, did they give you any indication of why
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they wouldn't air it? Was it just simply, they were, they were flacking for Hillary Clinton or
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rather flacking for Bill Clinton? Uh, the, the, the explanation that I got, I was, I was getting
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angry with Lisa and I should never have that really Lisa was a hero in all of this. And I would get
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angry at her. And she said, well, she said, they're still trying. Mr. Lack, Mr. Lack wants to have
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further investigation. And they found out nothing after that time that it was supposed to have been
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aired in the middle of the impeachment. They found out nothing new that, that they held it because
00:24:17.000
they, they didn't want to, uh, uh, have this shown during the impeachment. There's no other question.
00:24:23.020
I mean, that's, that's exactly why it was held. You know, that, that's Andrew Lack, right? NBC
00:24:28.340
president. Yes. And he was, he was friends with Bill Clinton. Yes. Yes. He played golf with him.
00:24:35.440
Uh, one of the NBC producers told me, she said, well, you know, um, um, Mr. Clinton and Mr. Lack
00:24:42.300
play golf quite frequently. And I think that was just a little tiding that, that they gave to me to
00:24:48.880
try to understand why it was not being aired. I mean, I had put my heart and soul into that
00:24:54.440
and absolutely bared my soul to the bone in that interview. And for them to hold it like that
00:25:03.340
was just like a slap in the face. Well, you know, this is what happens so frequently at
00:25:08.000
mainstream outlets when they, when they have something like a dirt on Democrats or they get
00:25:12.660
a big expose, they'll, they'll hold it and they'll just keep it. So it's a little carrot hanging over
00:25:18.080
you. Oh, we've already done this. We've got it, but no, we're not going to hold it. Did they ever
00:25:21.840
tell you, they say, well, the, the, it's not good enough. It's not, sorry, this isn't convincing
00:25:27.460
enough. And that's why we're not going to air it. Or they just stonewalled you.
00:25:31.540
No, they just stonewalled completely. Incredible. That's incredible. Now, you know, it's a related
00:25:37.920
story. And I, speaking of golfing buddies and NBC news, Norm Macdonald, the comedian relates this,
00:25:44.720
that he lost his job at Saturday night live because he was making jokes about OJ Simpson and Don
00:25:50.280
Ohmire, an NBC executive said, Oh, he's my golfing buddy. We're going to fire you. We're going to
00:25:54.260
bury this story. And, and you see, you see this for a long time at, at places like NBC and NBC in
00:26:00.580
particular. Then we get to 2016. You, you speak out during the 2016 presidential race. You had every
00:26:08.200
right and reason to do it, but what did motivate you to try to stop Hillary Clinton?
00:26:12.800
Oh my goodness. It, the, at the, in November or December, she was lecturing at a university for
00:26:23.600
women or something like that. And she put this on her tweet that every victim of sexual, sexual abuse
00:26:31.200
should come forward and be believed and be supported. And that just went all over me. And I thought,
00:26:38.220
how dare you Hillary Clinton, how dare you the one who intimidated and frightened the victims of your
00:26:45.260
husband? Yeah, it just, it absolutely, I had stayed quiet, you know, for so long. And I thought, good
00:26:53.340
gosh, I've got to answer this somehow. And I thought I had, didn't know how to use Twitter. I had to get my
00:26:59.700
grandson to show me how to use Twitter. And so on the, I know, I know I couldn't get it to go through.
00:27:06.280
And so finally he explained to me what was going on and how I had to do it. He did not know what I
00:27:11.600
was going to tweet, but, uh, uh, he did help me get, get on Twitter and, and decide and see how to use
00:27:19.060
it. So I sat and got my statement just like I wanted it and did not say anything, Michael, that I hadn't
00:27:27.440
said for the last 20 years. I mean, the last 40 years. And, uh, I thought, well, that looks good. I
00:27:34.480
believe I'll just tweet that. So I punched tweet and I mean, just like I said in the book,
00:27:40.300
all hell broke loose. It was, uh, my phone started ringing off the wall and people, I get,
00:27:48.800
there were so many people that didn't know, you know, so many people out there, millions that had
00:27:54.560
no idea that I had been on Dateline in 1999 and, and told about my rape by Bill Clinton. So many didn't
00:28:01.860
know. So it was a news story all over again. There is an amazing vindication in this moment.
00:28:08.020
I didn't realize until I read the book that you weren't on Twitter before this, but Hillary sends
00:28:12.860
out this egregious tweet, this jaw dropping tweet, which says, uh, you have the right to be heard.
00:28:19.260
You have the right to be believed. We're with you to every survivor of sexual assault, Hillary Clinton
00:28:24.480
of all people to say this. And then for you to get, this is so long since the event, uh, the media
00:28:30.480
Democrats have pushed you to the side and you send out one tweet that you have trouble sending out,
00:28:35.700
that you need your grandson to help you send out one tweet. And it is the tweet heard around the
00:28:40.260
world. All hell breaks loose. And all of a sudden people are starting to take this seriously. And,
00:28:46.220
and there is clearly a parallel here between the traditional media and the new media,
00:28:52.180
the traditional media buries your interview on NBC. They won't let you speak the new media. They,
00:28:57.640
there are not those gatekeepers anymore. When that, uh, when, when that tweet happened,
00:29:05.100
what was your, was it a feeling of vindication? Was it a feeling of, of shock that now perhaps I can,
00:29:12.660
my, the culture is ready to hear the same story I've been telling for 40 years?
00:29:17.200
Yeah, well, a little bit, Michael, but the first phone call, well, about the second or third phone
00:29:23.120
call that I got was from my son. And my son said, you know, he's an attorney. And he said, mom,
00:29:29.620
what did you do? And I said, I didn't know. I had no, I had no idea the power of Twitter.
00:29:36.940
I had absolutely no idea what I had done. Uh, but it wasn't, didn't take long before I did know.
00:29:43.560
That was, and Twitter. And of course, with our dear president Covfefe, the Twitter has played a
00:29:49.760
keen role in the 2016 race. And, and so this brings us 38 years later, 38 years after Bill Clinton is
00:29:56.340
in your hotel room, the Clintons are finally vanquished from politics. President Trump says
00:30:02.920
he believes you. He, he brings you out in the campaign. What did the Trump victory mean for you
00:30:09.540
personally? Oh, it was like this huge weight had been lifted off of my shoulders. My son had a,
00:30:17.160
a, a political party, you know, for the voting and, and for watching the return. And he said,
00:30:24.480
mom, come over and be with us during this. He didn't think Trump would win. And, and I didn't
00:30:29.000
either. None of us did. I didn't think so, but I didn't. And I told him, I said, I just don't feel
00:30:36.080
well. Well, the truth was I had to go through that by myself. So I stayed here alone to watch the
00:30:42.300
return. Right. And when, and Michael, when it happened, I felt like a new person. I felt like
00:30:50.300
that all of that threat and intimidation and all I had gone through for 38 years was finally going
00:30:58.980
away. I felt so relieved. It is. It's an amazing story because I'm, I'm so pleased that you chose
00:31:07.440
to self-publish the book because you do get this whole life and you get a lot of tribulation here
00:31:12.340
and you get particularly one awful event. And it's constantly a process of you creating something
00:31:19.180
of yourself, becoming a, running a nursing home, becoming the president of your nursing home
00:31:24.540
association, uh, you know, being a professional success and having this weight over you. And
00:31:29.320
that final comeuppance is, uh, is really a joy. And I love the last chapter of the book
00:31:33.940
too. I think it ends on a really nice note. So I really encourage everybody to go get it.
00:31:38.080
You can get it on Amazon. I know, uh, you'd better put some ice on that, how I survived being
00:31:42.840
raped by Bill Clinton. And you certainly did survive. And Juanita, thank you so much for being
00:31:47.180
here. Really, really, uh, wonderful to talk to you.
00:31:54.540
All right. We've got to get to the news. We do have to cover a little bit of news today.
00:31:58.440
That was so excellent. All right. I wanted to keep the, the live stream going for Facebook
00:32:02.920
and what used to be the audience on YouTube before they started censoring us, uh, just to hear all of
00:32:07.400
that because it's really, really, uh, powerful stuff from Juanita Broderick. And I highly recommend
00:32:13.220
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All right. Do we have time to cover a little bit of news? We can cover a little bit of news
00:34:14.660
today. We can't. We have to start with Sam Nunberg. Here he is on CNN.
00:34:18.640
Talked earlier about what people in the White House were saying about you.
00:34:21.960
Yeah. Talking about whether you, you were, you were drinking or on drugs or whatever they
00:34:25.320
had happened today. Um, talking to you, I have smelled alcohol on your breath.
00:34:31.680
Well, I, I have not had a drink. You haven't had a drink. So that's not true.
00:34:35.360
No. So I, I just, because it is the talk out there, again, I know it's awkward. Let me just
00:34:40.220
get, give you the questions. You can categorically answer that.
00:34:42.420
No, no, no, no. Besides my meds. Okay. Antidepressants. Is that okay? No, I mean,
00:34:56.320
I'm not, I'm just trying to understand. Well, look, well, look, they can say, they can say
00:35:01.260
whatever they want. I don't really care. Yikes. That is when your excuse for not being
00:35:08.960
drunk is that you're only on your meds. That's not a good excuse. That is not a
00:35:13.220
really rough. I actually think it was journalistic malpractice. This guy, Sam Nunberg was a Trump aid
00:35:18.860
before the campaign. He was a Trump aid in 2014 and 2015. Uh, and then he got fired twice in 2014
00:35:25.320
and 2015. And they had him on the air like three or four times yesterday on CNN and MSNBC. Sometimes
00:35:32.180
he called in. He clearly sounded drunk. Uh, the word about town is that he does have a drinking problem
00:35:38.140
as Aaron Burnett said, she smelled booze on his breath. He's also, I guess, on prescription
00:35:42.200
medications. They're trying to make a big deal out of this because he's saying, yeah, they're going to
00:35:46.260
get Trump and I'm not going to cooperate with Mueller. And okay, I will cooperate with Mueller
00:35:49.700
and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And they're making big hay out of this as always. Guys, calm down
00:35:54.600
for one second and ask yourself, is this person credible? Can, can that you have to, whenever people
00:36:00.580
make extraordinary claims, we've been talking about claims for the whole show today. And some claims are
00:36:05.960
credible and demonstrable and some are not look at this guy. Well, what do we know about him?
00:36:10.760
Uh, apparently he has a drinking problem. He's on prescription medication. He comes off as though
00:36:16.200
he he's drunk. Uh, he worked for Donald Trump in 2014 before he ran for president, got fired,
00:36:21.300
worked for him again in 2015, again, before he ran for president, got fired. He, the, the alleged
00:36:27.000
collusion, the big Boris and Natasha meeting was a full year later at Trump tower. He had absolutely
00:36:33.240
nothing to do with that for a year. And the only person that he knew on the campaign that he was
00:36:37.500
sort of friends with is Roger Stone, who also got fired in 2015. So there's, and Roger Stone is the
00:36:44.040
most famous dirty trickster in all of Republican politics. Is this guy credible? Of course not. I kind
00:36:49.580
of feel bad for him. They really shouldn't have trotted him out like this. This is a guy who's clearly
00:36:53.640
very troubled and, uh, but you can't, you can't possibly take what he says, uh, seriously. There isn't,
00:37:00.120
there isn't that level of credibility. So it's, it's like the guy who wrote fire and fury who
00:37:04.740
basically admitted, yeah, I'm lying, but you want to believe it. I think that's basically how the
00:37:08.360
media responded to this. Yeah. He's a bloviating drunk, but you want to believe it. So that's Sam
00:37:14.900
Nunberg. We have to talk about these tariffs. Donald Trump is threatening tariffs on steel and
00:37:19.280
aluminum. Everybody is losing their minds on the conservative side of the aisle. Conservatives
00:37:23.980
are free traders. I'm a free trader. Free trade is a wonderful thing. It increases prosperity
00:37:28.500
for everybody involved. They're pretending like the world is falling down and this is unprecedented.
00:37:33.240
The Republican party was founded as a staunchly protectionist party. It's first president,
00:37:37.920
Abraham Lincoln was staunchly protectionist. And luckily we've gotten a little freer over time on
00:37:42.320
economics as the global economy has freed up and prospered. But, uh, all Republican presidents
00:37:47.440
specifically love steel tariffs. Uh, Richard Nixon loved steel tariffs. Ronald Reagan loved steel
00:37:53.040
tariffs and both bushes loved steel tariffs. And by the way, the tariff is addressing
00:37:58.160
something that's real. China subsidizes their steel industry. That's not very free trade. Uh,
00:38:04.300
there is a global excess of, uh, of steel production according to even the OECD recognizes
00:38:11.260
this, uh, problem. Uh, it, what we don't want is a trade war. That's the reason we don't want
00:38:17.300
tariffs is we don't want a trade war where everybody loses. Is this going to lead to a trade war? I don't
00:38:21.880
know. Did it lead to a trade war under, under all of the previous Republican presidents? Was it good
00:38:25.880
for trade? Was it bad for trade? We can debate that. The one thing we know about Donald Trump
00:38:29.120
is that he always takes an extreme position to get leverage in a negotiation. And then he
00:38:33.780
calms down a little bit. So for instance, he said, we're going to deport every illegal alien in the
00:38:38.180
country. We're going to build a giant wall immediately. And Mexico is going to pay for it.
00:38:41.180
Did that happen? Not quite. Have we gotten a little bit tougher on immigration? Seems we have.
00:38:45.920
That's clearly the, where he's starting from. He said the other day, didn't make me very happy. He said he
00:38:50.340
was going to take all of our guns and then have due process later. Within 24 hours, he said,
00:38:55.180
we need to respect the second amendment. I try not to lose my mind when Donald Trump says things.
00:39:00.140
He says a lot of things. That's not an argument for more tariffs when Reagan does it or Bush does
00:39:05.420
it or Trump does it. But it is to say that this is not out of the ordinary for Republican presidents
00:39:10.200
at all. Finally, today, there are primaries in Texas. The media are trumping this up, pun very much
00:39:15.840
as always intended, as a preview of what we're going to get in November. What does this mean for the
00:39:20.580
GOP chances in November? Looking ahead, I don't want to make predictions. I have a nice $400 check
00:39:26.040
on my table over there to show why it's not a great idea to make predictions sometimes. Put your money
00:39:30.620
on it. Thank you, Mr. Shapiro. So what does this mean in November? Historically speaking, the party in
00:39:37.540
power loses the House. Historically speaking, we're likely to lose the House, especially as a Republican
00:39:42.480
because we've got the whole media apparatus against us. That said, there are 23 Republican seats
00:39:47.280
in Congress that Hillary won in 2016. It's not good. But let's not forget, there are a dozen Democrat
00:39:53.420
seats in Congress that Donald Trump won. And by the way, some of those seats that Hillary won was by
00:39:58.180
one percentage point or two percentage points in places like Texas, where Donald Trump, we were told,
00:40:03.380
is going to start crazy wars, excuse me, shoot nuclear missiles everywhere, destroy the economy.
00:40:09.360
None of that happened. I wonder if that one to two percentage point margin for Democrats is really
00:40:14.000
going to remain. Everybody's going to just collapse once we see that the sky has not fallen down.
00:40:18.200
Right now, so we've got 23, we've got a dozen is where that even, so you're talking about 11,
00:40:23.700
11 states or 11 seat swing. The GOP has a 45 seat advantage in the House right now. Doesn't mean we're
00:40:29.540
not going to lose it. If history is any indication, we are going to lose the House. But if conservatives
00:40:34.340
are energized, there's a chance that we keep the House. There's a fair chance. I'm energized. The Heritage
00:40:39.480
Foundation, which says that Donald Trump is affecting their conservative agenda at a faster rate
00:40:43.760
even than Ronald Reagan. The Heritage Foundation is energized. Democrats have tried to sap our energy
00:40:48.640
with all this useless nonsense like Sam Nunberg and Russia and blah, blah, blah. But I'm energized.
00:40:54.740
I hope you're energized too, because if, if we somehow magically hold the House, oh my gosh,
00:41:02.380
I'm going to need a warehouse full of these leftist years tumblers. It is going to be tremendous.
00:41:08.780
Huge folks going to be huge. Okay. That's our show. Come back tomorrow. I'm Michael Knowles. This is
00:41:14.160
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