The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1181 - Woke ＂Think Tank＂ Tries To Cancel Me

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00:00:30.280 House Republicans yesterday voted to overturn two bills that had been passed by the D.C.

00:00:35.780 Council that would allow non-citizens to vote in local elections and go even softer on criminals.

00:00:44.520 And Congress Lady Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, she is not happy about it. 0.87

00:00:49.980 In direct contradiction of their quote unquote conservative values of small government

00:00:56.240 and defending freedom have decided to expand the jurisdiction of this body to meddle into the business of D.C. residents.

00:01:06.020 The D.C. City Council has the right to determine its policies for D.C. residents.

00:01:11.940 And if any member of this body does not like that, they can feel free to change their registration, resign their post, and run for D.C. City Council.

00:01:21.520 Now, AOC says lots of things that are not true, but very often the false things that she says are false because they're exaggerations or selective interpretations or imaginative predictions.

00:01:36.520 In this case, though, what AOC said is just perfectly, precisely, easily demonstrably wrong.

00:01:46.780 The D.C. City Council does not have the right to determine the policies for D.C. residents.

00:01:54.080 Congress does have that right.

00:01:56.780 And that right doesn't come from some obscure section of the U.S. Code or some little-known court decision.

00:02:02.580 It is laid out explicitly in the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, quote,

00:02:08.540 The Congress shall have the power to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever over the federal district of Washington, D.C.

00:02:21.120 Now, at first, I figured AOC was just being disingenuous.

00:02:27.360 The more I listened to her rant, though, the more convinced I became that she just sincerely doesn't have any idea

00:02:35.560 how the Constitution established the government of D.C.

00:02:39.560 I understand that there may be disagreement.

00:02:42.280 I understand that Republicans may not be happy with what the D.C. City Council is doing.

00:02:49.460 But when cities in Vermont passed the same provisions, when San Francisco, when nine Maryland cities brought up this provision,

00:02:58.400 did the Republican Party corral all of Congress and bring this issue down to the floor for a vote?

00:03:04.160 No, no, they did not.

00:03:05.700 They are singling out the residents of the District of Columbia and expanding in the history of disenfranchisement

00:03:13.980 that goes all the way back to the legacy of slavery, and they're bringing it right here to this floor

00:03:18.720 because why?

00:03:19.580 They don't have any real bills to debate.

00:03:23.880 No, it's just because that's Congress's job.

00:03:27.860 The Congress is not overruling laws in Vermont and Maryland and in San Francisco because that's not Congress's responsibility.

00:03:38.800 It's just basic civics, the sort of thing you're supposed to learn by the fifth grade,

00:03:44.040 especially in a republic which cannot endure if even the elected representatives don't understand the basic functions of the government.

00:03:52.400 Welcome back to the show.

00:04:02.200 My favorite comment yesterday is from Vince Dow, who says,

00:04:04.940 That was me in the suit on the panel about assimilation, erasure, and crime. 0.98

00:04:09.940 Very cool.

00:04:10.560 Thank you, Michael.

00:04:11.280 I'm pleased to hear it.

00:04:12.460 That's great.

00:04:13.220 It's kind of funny to play a clip on the show and then have the person in the clip say,

00:04:18.000 Oh, I was watching you talk about that thing.

00:04:19.940 That's great.

00:04:20.520 Well, Vince, you did a great job.

00:04:21.900 This was in the clip yesterday on my show from Vice, this great Vice documentary,

00:04:25.940 where they're talking about all sorts of woke nonsense, and you got this one conservative guy,

00:04:29.900 and then all the libs around him who are just absolutely aghast whenever he says anything even remotely commonsensical,

00:04:38.120 like really basic stuff.

00:04:40.360 I felt you did a great job.

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00:05:58.560 I don't usually go after AOC these days.

00:06:02.600 I don't hit her so much anymore because I feel it's played out.

00:06:06.260 I feel this is the most basic, superficial kind of conservative commentary these days.

00:06:12.640 It's just, hey, you see how crazy AOC is?

00:06:16.940 You could do that.

00:06:17.740 You could fill a show with that every single day.

00:06:19.620 And so I generally stay away from it.

00:06:21.180 But sometimes, sometimes AOC demonstrates such blithe ignorance that one cannot ignore it.

00:06:30.740 And this occurred not just yesterday talking about Washington, D.C., not knowing what the

00:06:36.740 government of Washington, D.C. is supposed to be, even according to the Constitution.

00:06:40.280 But this happened a couple days ago, too, when AOC was discussing the big tech

00:06:47.580 hearings and testimony when the Congress was grilling these big tech executives,

00:06:54.400 especially on things like the Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:06:56.900 AOC went on a tangent about how upset she is that libs of TikTok, one of the great Twitter accounts,

00:07:02.660 is still on Twitter, despite spreading false information.

00:07:09.000 Ms. Navarroli, are you familiar with the account libs of TikTok?

00:07:13.660 I have heard of it from the news, yes.

00:07:16.380 Mr. Roth, are you familiar with this account?

00:07:20.120 Yes, ma'am, I am.

00:07:20.940 Are you aware that from August 11th to August 16th, that account posted false information

00:07:28.240 about Boston Children's Hospital, claiming that they were providing hysterectomies to children?

00:07:34.920 Okay.

00:07:36.320 The claim, the accusation, libs of TikTok posted false information suggesting that the Boston

00:07:44.860 Children's Hospital transes the kids, specifically provides hysterectomies to children.

00:07:50.940 That's the claim.

00:07:52.240 Let's check to see if that claim holds up.

00:07:56.040 Boston Children's Hospital, take it away. 1.00

00:07:58.460 A hysterectomy itself is the removal of the uterus, the cervix, which is the opening of the uterus,

00:08:03.520 and the fallopian tubes, which are attached to the sides of the uterus.

00:08:07.080 Some gender-affirming hysterectomies will also include the removal of the ovaries, 0.96

00:08:10.840 but that's technically a separate procedure called a bilateral oophrectomy.

00:08:14.460 And not every gender-affirming hysterectomy includes that,

00:08:17.240 and people who are getting gender-affirming hysterectomies do not have to have their ovaries.

00:08:20.940 So it sounds like libs of TikTok was right, because I'm watching a commercial now from

00:08:27.980 Boston Children's Hospital talking about performing these hysterectomies.

00:08:32.480 I guess you could say that libs of TikTok didn't go far enough,

00:08:37.920 because libs of TikTok should also maybe have talked about bilateral euphrectomies. 0.99

00:08:42.760 Is that how you pronounce that? But they did it. AOC could have just Googled that.

00:08:49.720 AOC launches into this long, emotional rant about how libs of TikTok is lying about Boston

00:08:58.760 Children's Hospital and hysterectomy. She could have just Googled it. It would have taken like

00:09:01.920 five words. She didn't do that. She could have saved herself the rant about Washington, 0.95

00:09:07.720 D.C. by reading the Constitution even just one time, or having learned anything in civics class

00:09:14.440 in elementary school. And I know that they were teaching civics back when AOC was in school in

00:09:19.520 Westchester, because I grew up one town away from AOC. And AOC went to the schools in the ritzier,

00:09:27.140 wealthier, nicer area. So you assume she had a civics class. She just didn't learn very much

00:09:33.040 from it. And it's not just AOC. I don't just mean to pick on AOC. There is a congressman,

00:09:38.340 Representative Dan Goldman. He has a much more impressive, prestigious academic pedigree,

00:09:44.500 certainly than AOC does. And he was humiliated almost as much, frankly, even perhaps more than

00:09:52.260 AOC, because the expectations for this man were higher, when discussing a basic aspect of free speech

00:09:58.640 law with the legal scholar Jonathan Turley. Does the First Amendment protect someone from

00:10:04.560 yelling fire in a movie theater? Well, unfortunately, that one is not yes or no,

00:10:09.340 because that's become a mantra for people. It's the Holmes-Shank line. Holmes himself walked back on

00:10:16.800 that. All right. All right. We don't need a law class here. But you do agree, though,

00:10:22.920 don't you, that the First Amendment does not protect all speech? No, there are limits to speech.

00:10:29.920 All constitutional rights have limits. I felt as though I were watching Always Sunny in this

00:10:36.000 exchange. So he says at the top, can you yell fire in a crowded theater to suggest that the right

00:10:42.980 to free speech is not absolute, which is true. But of course, it's not absolute, as Jonathan Turley

00:10:49.120 admits. But that phrase, yelling fire in a crowded theater, that comes from a very famous case,

00:10:54.800 Schenck versus the United States. It was a case about whether or not a man could be thrown in jail

00:11:00.000 for passing out flyers against the draft and against the war. And it's a complicated case.

00:11:07.760 I write about it at length in my book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds,

00:11:11.240 number one national bestseller on free speech and the evolution of speech. But it's a complicated case.

00:11:15.460 And so Jonathan Turley says, well, actually, Representative Goldman, you've picked probably

00:11:19.180 the worst example to talk about this. And because it's a little complicated, and it goes back to

00:11:23.060 what Oliver Wendell Holmes said. And what is the representative goes, hey, hey, hey, all right,

00:11:27.360 here, listen, we don't need to hear about, listen, we don't, it was just the Charlie Day response.

00:11:33.540 I know a lot about the law and various other lawyerings. I'm well educated, well versed. I know

00:11:40.200 that situations like this, real estate wise, they're very complex. Actually, they're pretty

00:11:45.460 simple. The forms are all standard, boilerplate. Okay, well, we're all hungry. We're going to get

00:11:50.580 to our hot plate soon enough, all right? But let's talk about the contract here. Sorry, I forgot.

00:11:55.160 Where did you go to law school again? Ah, well, I could ask you that very same question. I went to

00:11:58.900 Harvard. How about you? I'm pleading the fifth, sir. I'd advise that you do that. And I'll take

00:12:05.700 that advice into cooperation, all right? Now, let's say you and I go toe-to-toe on bird law and

00:12:10.560 see who comes out the victim. You know, I don't think I'm going to do anything close to that. And

00:12:14.800 I can see clearly you know nothing about the law. It seems like you have a tenuous grasp on the

00:12:19.200 English language in general. Okay, well, filibuster. Do you know what that word means? Yep. Yeah,

00:12:29.000 what's that mean? Listen, Professor, do you think you can yell fire in a crowded theater?

00:12:38.940 Well, actually, the case that used that example ended up being largely over... Okay, okay,

00:12:45.880 listen here, mister. We don't need any of your lawyerings, okay? Let's go toe-to-toe on bird

00:12:51.060 law. That's what Representative Dan Goldman sounds like. And what's so embarrassing about this is that

00:12:56.180 the joke in Always Sunny is that Charlie Day is completely uneducated. Representative Dan Goldman

00:13:03.000 went to Stanford Law. Dan Goldman went to what is considered the second best, most prestigious law

00:13:11.000 school in the country. And he doesn't even understand the context of one of the most basic

00:13:19.760 slogans from one of the most basic cases of free speech. These people don't know anything. And it's

00:13:27.740 not just AOC. It's very easy to make fun of AOC because she's infamously ignorant. It's all these 0.99

00:13:35.100 guys. It's not just AOC. People make fun of her. They say, oh, she's a bartender. I know plenty of 1.00

00:13:39.800 bartenders who are a lot smarter and wiser than graduates of Stanford Law School. Okay, what's the

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00:15:19.220 home. I was the subject of a hit piece yesterday. That's right. Yours truly, your beloved podcast

00:15:28.880 host. This is from the Brookings Institution, probably the most prominent liberal think tank

00:15:35.240 out there. Brookings has this very, very lengthy report. Apparently, according to the author,

00:15:41.980 it took years to put this report together. And it opens with me and Ted Cruz. It opens,

00:15:46.860 it's called Audible Reckoning, How Top Political Podcasters Spread Unsubstantiated and False

00:15:52.820 Claims. In February 2021, Texas Senator Ted Cruz and his co-host Michael Knowles, a Daily Wire

00:15:58.340 commentator, recorded a live episode of the Verdict podcast in conversation about his former Senate

00:16:04.620 opponent, Beto O'Rourke. Senator Cruz described his rival support base as primarily reporters who act

00:16:11.640 like, quote, groupies at a Rolling Stones concert throwing their underwear. Offhandedly,

00:16:15.640 he added, if they wore underwear. With a smirk, he leaned into the mic and asked Knowles, too edgy.

00:16:21.760 Knowles replied, quote, it's a podcast. You can say whatever you want. And then that's the intro.

00:16:28.740 And they say, yep, that's it. Since the advent of the medium, podcasts have generally offered a space

00:16:33.620 where in the words of Knowles, you can say wherever you want. And now all these people get their news from

00:16:40.100 podcasts and do in large part to the say whatever you want perceptions of the medium. Podcasting offers a

00:16:44.800 critical avenue through which unsubstantiated and false claims proliferate. There it is. That Knowles,

00:16:52.140 that Knowles, he gave up the whole game. He admitted that these podcasters, they just spread

00:16:58.560 recklessly, carelessly spread lies and false claims. And although the author here tries to make it sound

00:17:05.800 like she's being really balanced, it becomes very clear, very quickly, that she is accusing conservatives

00:17:10.800 of spreading much, much more false information than the liberals. At one point, I think she says

00:17:17.120 that conservatives spread something like 11 times the false information that liberals do.

00:17:24.820 And that because the conservatives produce more podcasts than the liberals do, this is really,

00:17:30.140 really dangerous. It leads to lots of unsubstantiated and false claims in podcasting.

00:17:36.660 Okay. So I'm reading through this. A friend of mine had texted it to me earlier. I'm reading

00:17:41.680 through this. And I noticed something a little bit weird. I noticed there is a graph in the pod and

00:17:48.320 says top conservative podcasts by the number of podcasts that have been produced. And this is a,

00:17:57.220 this is a print ready copy. So it doesn't have the graphics in here, but among the top political

00:18:03.540 podcasts, I'm, I'm honored to say I was listed among them, a number of the Daily Wire shows,

00:18:08.400 Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh, I'm looking at all these shows. And it was, it ranked us not by

00:18:13.860 the ratings, not by daily downloads, just by the number of shows produced. And it said X, there are X

00:18:20.460 number of shows that have produced more than a thousand episodes. And I looked at it and I said,

00:18:23.300 wait a second, Drew and Matt are, are both ranked higher than me in terms of episodes produced.

00:18:31.060 But I know as of today, that isn't true. I have produced more episodes than they have. This is

00:18:37.100 not a hard statistic to look up. You just go to the Daily Wire website or your podcast app,

00:18:40.840 you look episode number X, whatever. And I have produced more episodes. So then I looked and I said,

00:18:47.280 okay, well, this seems like a really just a basic statistic that was totally wrong.

00:18:53.640 The reporter responded and said, no, no, Michael, you idiot. I stopped collecting data on January 22nd,

00:19:00.080 2022. And so you, you just don't understand all my really transparent and high-end methodology.

00:19:05.000 So I said, okay, well, I'll just, I have, I have always produced more episodes than Matt Walsh.

00:19:10.420 My show started before Matt's show. So that, so I look back at January 22nd, 2022, and there it is.

00:19:16.460 It's the data, the really basic data in this long Brookings report that allegedly took years and

00:19:23.580 years to produce about how the conservatives are recklessly, carelessly spreading false

00:19:28.440 information on the internet. The data on just one point, just one that I happened to see in a graph,

00:19:34.900 the basic data are completely wrong, which is ironic. I guess it's not ironic in that I never

00:19:43.440 expect these people to have their data correct because I just don't believe a word that they

00:19:47.600 say. And I don't think they're particularly careful and meticulous in what they do. I think they're

00:19:52.280 just trying to smear conservatives. And it turns out that was the case. And the author of the piece

00:19:56.640 is so upset about it. She keeps trying to justify her really, really basic error. The same kind of

00:20:03.260 basic error that AOC makes when she gives a whole impassioned speech about how Congress has no right to 0.88

00:20:07.880 control DC. And then you say, lady, look at article one of the constitution. It says Congress has the

00:20:12.120 right to control DC and to pass the laws there. It's really, really basic stuff. There's not much

00:20:18.480 arguing with it. January 1st, 2022, the Michael Knowles show had 927 episodes out. The Matt Walsh

00:20:24.820 show had 878 episodes out. Take Drew out of it for a second because his show had had different,

00:20:29.540 it was daily at one point, then it turned to weekly. But even just those two,

00:20:32.940 the fact that this author at the Brookings Institution could get just that really basic

00:20:43.000 element of data wrong makes you realize, oh, I can't trust a word in this report.

00:20:49.820 Drew actually makes this point about the newspapers. He says,

00:20:52.920 people are very funny in that they'll open the newspaper and they'll read an article about Syria.

00:20:59.860 Syria. They'll say, well, I don't know anything about Syria, so I'll trust what the author has to 1.00

00:21:04.100 say. And then they open and they see a piece about the oil industry. They say, I don't know anything

00:21:09.000 about the oil industry, so I'll trust what the author has to say. Then they'll open it to a piece

00:21:12.900 about the New York Yankees. And they'll say, oh, I do know about the New York Yankees. They'll read

00:21:16.200 the piece. They'll say, oh, the author's completely wrong about the New York Yankees.

00:21:20.180 Then what happens? You turn the page to an article about banana prices. And you say, well,

00:21:25.600 I don't know about banana prices. I guess I'll believe the author. It's,

00:21:27.860 if you can just, if you can point out, you say, well, I know for a fact, the one thing that I know

00:21:35.120 about in what these people are talking about, I know that that person is wrong.

00:21:40.720 Why would you believe anything else that they have to say? Now, the ignorance, I won't ascribe

00:21:50.020 to malice that which is explained by incompetence and ignorance. The ignorance that you see in this

00:21:54.360 kind of piece is relatively trivial. I know that it's being used as a justification to censor all

00:22:01.240 of our podcasts, I guess mine in particular. But there are more consequential sorts of lies and

00:22:08.440 deceit and expressions of ignorance. A clear one would be the CDC telling you that the Fauci

00:22:15.740 ouchies were completely effective and completely safe. Remember, the CDC and Dr. Fauci and Joe Biden

00:22:22.920 said, if you get, I'm just going to put them all together in Fauci's voice. If you get the shot,

00:22:28.960 you won't get COVID. You won't transmit COVID. And then that turned out not to be true.

00:22:34.820 People saying that the shots, you have nothing to worry about. It totally tested. Very, very,

00:22:40.700 very safe. And then, and then it turns out actually some young people are getting myocarditis.

00:22:46.580 Women are getting blood clots, dying of blood clots. There would seem to be some nerve damage that comes 1.00

00:22:52.220 along with these shots sometimes. And now we have the CDC director of the immunization safety office

00:22:59.760 just a couple of weeks ago, acknowledging openly, finally, the health problems that have been

00:23:09.160 attributed and associated with these vaccines. We take vaccine safety very seriously.

00:23:16.880 With respect to reports of people experiencing debilitating illnesses. I mean, we are aware of

00:23:31.520 these reports of people experiencing long lasting health problems following COVID vaccination.

00:23:40.180 In some cases, the clinical presentation of people suffering these health problems is variable

00:23:45.020 and no specific medical cause for the symptoms have been found. We understand that illness is

00:23:52.440 disruptive and stressful, especially under those circumstances. And we acknowledge these health

00:23:59.220 problems have substantially impacted the quality of life for people and have also affected those around

00:24:04.640 them. And we hope for improvement and recovery. And we will continue to monitor the safety of these

00:24:10.640 vaccines and work with partners to try to better understand these types of adverse events.

00:24:16.700 Now, the fact checkers out there are already trying to push articles saying that you did not hear what you

00:24:25.100 just heard from the man who just said it. The man who is Tom Shimabukuro, the CDC director of the

00:24:36.180 Immunization Safety Office, you just heard what he said. I'm not even going to add commentary to what he

00:24:42.100 said. Lest the fact checkers have any opening to lie. All I did, all I just did was play his words.

00:24:54.060 Words that had you or I said those words. Had you or I said those words today, we would be called fact

00:25:01.640 checkers spreading misinformation, murderers probably kicked off social media. Certainly, had we said

00:25:06.700 those words two years ago as they were rolling out those vaccines, oh my goodness, you might have

00:25:12.960 been arrested. You would have been thrown in Guantanamo Bay. This is a danger to the public

00:25:17.240 health. How dare you? Now you're hearing that from the director of the CDC Immunization Safety Office.

00:25:23.420 That's a pretty big error then, it would seem, to hear that the vaccine's totally effective,

00:25:29.240 totally safe. That's a pretty big error, pretty consequential error when you hear him talking about

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00:26:54.980 K-N-W-L-E-S, to 989898 today. Many prominent people who had previously pushed the vaccine are

00:27:02.500 now regretting it. One example would be Nancy Mace. I mentioned her yesterday. Nancy Mace is a liberal 1.00

00:27:07.840 Republican who came out. She said, I regret getting the vaccine. I feel I was lied to. I now have vaccine

00:27:14.620 injuries that I've got to deal with as a result of this. And I was impressed because Nancy Mace is a

00:27:20.080 liberal Republican. She's not a conservative Republican. And she had previously pushed the

00:27:24.240 vaccine. She had peddled the vaccine on CNN. She was opposed to the mandates, as far as I can tell.

00:27:30.760 But she still encouraged people to get it. Now she is regretting it. I said, okay, at least good on Nancy

00:27:36.780 Mace for admitting she was wrong. But she still continues to double down on her opposition to the

00:27:42.000 conservative Republicans. She still spends most of her time attacking the more controversial people 0.88

00:27:48.260 in her own party. And she spends a lot of her time sucking up to the liberals. She did this yesterday

00:27:52.840 at the National Press Club. Nancy Mace was invited to go there and tell some jokes. It was supposed to

00:27:59.380 be a roast, kind of funny, telling jokes at the press club. Here's the performance.

00:28:05.840 I know George Santos hoped to deliver tonight's keynote, but organizers,

00:28:09.620 our lovely, beautiful organizers, wanted someone who could tell a joke, but not actually be one.

00:28:18.460 Come on, George, you've given Republicans a bad name, and that's Lauren Boebert's job. 0.64

00:28:25.780 Just kidding, Lauren, don't shoot. 0.72

00:28:27.680 I mean, really, like, who lies about being a, about playing college volleyball? Like, who does

00:28:39.040 that? If you're gonna lie, at least make it about something big. Like, you actually won the 2020

00:28:48.400 presidential election. I was one of the first Republicans, I know there's some New Yorkers

00:28:53.040 in here too, Republicans, who asked, who said Santos should resign. Santos should step down to

00:28:58.620 show people you can't lie, cheat, and steal to win an election. Unless, of course, if you're

00:29:04.360 Donald Trump or Joe Biden. I said this so this can air on Fox News and CNN. I go both ways. I mean,

00:29:14.400 it's like watching a bad imitation of Mean Girls. Republican Congress lady Nancy Mace, she says, 1.00

00:29:30.980 hey, I'm not a regular Republican. I'm a cool Republican. Hey, press, come on. I'm not like

00:29:41.320 those bad Republicans. I'm cool. I'm a cool mom. Yeah, okay, right. Are you? Are you? That's never

00:29:48.900 cool, unfortunately. Even making fun of George Santos, that's fine. It's funny. I've made plenty

00:29:55.720 of jokes about George Santos. But it sort of depends on the spirit in which one makes the joke

00:30:01.700 and the type of person who makes the joke. In that, I can make fun of my brother. You can't make

00:30:08.200 fun of my brother. If I make fun of my brother, I don't even have a brother. I have a stepbrother.

00:30:12.640 If I make fun of my stepbrother, that's fine. That's okay. But if you make fun of my stepbrother,

00:30:16.780 that's offensive. So the question is, what is the perspective Nancy Mace is coming from?

00:30:21.500 Nancy Mace is coming from the perspective of a liberal Republican who, at every chance she gets, 0.99

00:30:27.060 attacks conservative Republicans and tries to curry favor with the liberals. You could say, well,

00:30:33.440 this was a roast. People are telling jokes. It's fine. Get a sense of humor. I'm all for that.

00:30:37.300 I think that's a great idea. But Nancy Mace never once told any self-effacing jokes. She never made 1.00

00:30:42.280 a joke about her own side. Because her side is not Republican. She opposes conservative Republicans.

00:30:49.060 Her side are the liberal squishy Republicans. And she didn't make any jokes about them.

00:30:56.480 That's really pathetic. And I play that to remind you, there are still a number of those types out

00:31:01.900 there. We think that the conservative party, the Republican party, now is being run by the

00:31:08.760 conservatives, not by the squishes, not by the moderates. But there are still a lot of centrists

00:31:14.960 out there. Governor of New Hampshire, Chris Sununu, is floating the idea of a presidential campaign.

00:31:23.420 I know. It's very silly. Most people have never even heard of Chris Sununu.

00:31:26.680 It's probably not going to happen. But he certainly wants to run for president in 2024.

00:31:32.740 And the way that he is positioning himself is specifically as a centrist.

00:31:38.680 A lot of the folks that you mentioned and a lot of folks that we all know who are likely to run for

00:31:43.640 president on the Republican side are more conservative. You're more moderate.

00:31:48.740 Well, president, you know, former president.

00:31:50.180 I'm ranked the most fiscally conservative governor in the country. I'm number one in personal freedoms.

00:31:54.780 Right. I'm sorry, Ron. You're number two. Sorry, Florida.

00:31:59.280 I would challenge anyone on Second Amendment rights. We're far and away the best, you know,

00:32:03.440 because we believe in those individual freedoms. Regulatory reform. I'll challenge any state on it.

00:32:09.060 So am I more moderate on the social issues? Yeah, maybe. But that's not what I got in this game for

00:32:14.100 management. I'm a manager. I'm a CEO. I like to manage and redesign systems. But I would tell you on those

00:32:18.880 social issues, we get better results than almost anywhere else. There it is. Got to give the guy

00:32:24.220 credit for honesty. He says, I want to be a manager. Mike Bloomberg, this was his pitch to run for

00:32:30.580 president in 2020 as a Democrat. He said, look, I'm a manager. I just want to manage things.

00:32:36.080 That is the exact opposite of what we need in this country. I do not want to manage the decline.

00:32:45.560 I think our country's in decline. I don't want to just manage the decline. I don't want my president,

00:32:51.160 my Republican conservative president to manage the decline. I want him to fix things.

00:32:57.540 You might not think that, well, you probably do think the country's in decline. But some liberals

00:33:00.760 out there, they might say, no, the country's not in decline, even if it's not in decline. I don't

00:33:03.680 want you just to manage the liberal establishment. I want a conservative to go in there and advocate for

00:33:09.600 good things and pursue good things and oppose evil things. Pursue truth and avoid falsehood. Pursue

00:33:17.580 beauty and avoid ugliness. That's what I want. He says, look, I'm very conservative. I mean,

00:33:21.920 maybe not on those cultural issues. But what is that even, what, I don't even know what that means.

00:33:31.180 It's like saying, I love coffee. I hate caffeine. You're pretending that you support a thing,

00:33:37.640 but then you oppose the essence of that thing. Oh yeah, I'm just not conservative on the cultural

00:33:43.840 issues. Well, that's the whole story. Okay, you can cut taxes. I'm very conservative. I can conserve

00:33:49.940 tax cuts, maybe. I'm even questioning whether that certain conservatives can do that. No,

00:33:56.980 no managers, no managers, no squishes. There is too much at stake. Our government is being run by

00:34:05.000 people who don't know the first thing about the constitution or our political order or the law or

00:34:09.160 anything. And it's not just the infamously ignorant people. It's even the ones with the

00:34:13.600 fancy degrees from the fancy law schools and the fancy think tanks. They don't know anything.

00:34:17.500 They're so ignorant. Our genius experts, whose job it is to be genius expert nerds,

00:34:23.160 get the most basic aspects of their jobs wrong and make us all take experimental drugs that often

00:34:29.780 don't turn out very well. We're in a really tough spot. I do not want someone to just manage the

00:34:37.180 status quo. The status quo is very sick and we need to fix it. Governor Sununu, you're not going to be

00:34:46.960 the president. You're certainly not going to get my vote if you want to manage this desiccated, 1.00

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00:36:38.380 Hey, Michael. I'm Kate, a happy little introvert who works from home, and as such,

00:36:43.440 I look forward to watching your show every morning. So thank you for everything that you

00:36:47.940 do. I have two questions for you today. For some context, when my husband and I first met,

00:36:54.940 it was deemed improbable at best and dangerous at worst to pursue having children. Therefore,

00:37:00.280 my husband married me, knowing that our family would grow and evolve into something a bit different.

00:37:05.500 Through the years, we've developed a huge passion, not for kids, but for young adults,

00:37:09.740 specifically in that 18 to 25-year Peter Pan phase of destructively extended adolescence.

00:37:16.840 Right now, we have a 19-year-old living with us. He is the eighth young adult to spend a

00:37:22.240 transitionary and equipping season in our home, many of whom who have never learned how to perform

00:37:28.100 basic functions or had ever witnessed healthy dialogue and familial relationships. Now that the

00:37:33.960 doctors say, I could start trying for children, we found that this would create a conflict

00:37:38.540 with our desire to foster these young adults into true adulthood. For how could we responsibly

00:37:44.220 house potentially wayward men in a home with little vulnerable children? So my first question

00:37:50.380 is this, given that you believe having children is a command from God, do you allow for the notion

00:37:55.760 for his church to target and meet a multitude of needs in a broken world? This might have to take

00:38:01.980 on different forms. Because in many ways, my husband and I do have children. Many, in fact,

00:38:08.060 they are just big, lovable knuckleheads traipsing in and out of our home at any given time.

00:38:14.780 Here's my second question, and one you might enjoy. In that same vein, we are involved in a couple

00:38:20.600 different organizations, hosting events all the time, from deep theological study nights to informal

00:38:26.700 community fellowship. Every weekend, we now have roughly 12 to 30 young adults at the house,

00:38:32.860 often staying close to midnight, discussing topics of all kinds. So if given the same opportunity,

00:38:39.220 what would you want to impress most upon the elder Gen Zers? Thank you so much. Can't wait to hear

00:38:46.360 your answer. Bye. That's a lot. I'll try to keep it pithy. What you're doing for those young men

00:38:51.580 is unbelievably charitable. I'm not sure that I could muster that. I barely like talking to the

00:38:59.820 19-year-old men that I am related to or relatives of my friends. That's a tough period. So to invite

00:39:07.580 them into your home, that is incredibly charitable. And you're right. If you have young children,

00:39:12.720 you can't just invite these strange men of fighting age into your home. That would be irresponsible. 0.95

00:39:19.440 I don't know your specific medical situation or what the doctors have said. If the doctors previously

00:39:24.960 said, you'll die if you have kids, that raises certainly all sorts of dilemmas for you. And if

00:39:33.440 the doctors are now saying you can have kids, no big deal, go ahead and have children, then I would

00:39:38.220 do that. You've done your good charitable work. Having children is a wonderful thing. And you're called

00:39:44.400 to do it. You were called to do it within the context of marriage. So you're married, you can have

00:39:48.540 kids, do it. I've got two kids. I want to have a hundred more kids. I think it's a great thing.

00:39:53.020 So go for it. That's what I would recommend. And if it doesn't work out, plenty of couples struggle 1.00

00:39:57.720 with infertility. Who knows? No one has the right to a baby. If it doesn't work out, you can go right

00:40:02.020 back to the charitable work you're doing. And that sounds great. As for the youth groups that are

00:40:07.940 coming through your home, hanging out until midnight, what would you want to talk about?

00:40:12.520 I would flip it. I would allow them to propose the topics of discussion. And the reason for this is

00:40:22.960 an important part of education is desire. And we often don't think about this when we talk about

00:40:29.540 education because we think of education as sit down, do what you're told, copy the things that

00:40:34.160 we want you to copy, and learn the facts that we want you to learn, and then go out and go to the next

00:40:40.020 grade. But a key part of education is desire. A soul that does not wish to be educated cannot

00:40:47.780 really be educated. This is a point that Plato makes in book seven of The Republic. So see what

00:40:56.680 they bring up. And then whatever they do bring up, you should pursue that train of thought all the way

00:41:03.200 through its various levels. Through its literal meaning, through its allegorical meanings,

00:41:09.580 political implications, cultural implications, and then ultimately up to the highest level of

00:41:13.760 knowledge, which would be theology. And then you can go down a really great journey. But I would

00:41:20.220 allow the desire of the people in the conversation to guide that. And I wouldn't make an organized

00:41:25.080 lesson plan. Okay, next question. Hey, Michael, I have a couple of friends who are agnostic and

00:41:30.700 or atheist. I want to show them the truth of the Bible. And I believe the events of the Bible are

00:41:36.280 true. But I feel like if I were to cite the Bible to prove my point, it would be like an evolutionist

00:41:41.420 pointing to different parts of a textbook and claiming fact. We wouldn't have an agreed upon

00:41:46.520 piece of evidence that we could further debate. I'm really curious to know if I should use the Bible

00:41:52.080 to prove itself. And if so, what passages should I cite or use another book or historical record

00:41:58.180 that proves Christianity or at least makes it more believable? Thanks.

00:42:03.440 Well, the Bible is inerrant and it is the word of God in a textual sense. Christ himself is the word

00:42:11.180 of God, the divine logic of the universe in that larger sense. But the scripture is a great place

00:42:16.540 to convince people and persuade people because you're using the very words of God.

00:42:23.080 But I think you're starting a little down the line here. And this is a common mistake,

00:42:30.340 I think, in our modern age, especially an age that has divorced the Bible from all sense of 0.64

00:42:36.460 history and authority. But the Bible didn't just drop out of the sky, don't forget. The Bible was

00:42:43.240 compiled. The Bible was compiled and agreed upon in a canon by an ecumenical council of the church.

00:42:50.040 So the church predates the Bible. And what is the church? The church is the body of Christ,

00:42:55.880 instituted by Christ here on earth. And who is Christ? Christ is the incarnate second person of

00:43:00.860 the Trinity. And what is the Trinity? Who is the Trinity? The Trinity is God, three persons in one

00:43:07.100 divine unity. And who is God and does God really exist? I think you've probably got to start there.

00:43:12.360 And the existence of God can be known with certainty by the light of human reason within the context of

00:43:22.300 the natural world. You don't need the Bible to prove that God exists. The Bible illuminates

00:43:29.420 aspects of God. But it is not a requirement to know that God exists. So I would probably start

00:43:39.160 there. That's where you would have to start. If you were proposing a science textbook, let's say that

00:43:44.780 you wanted to persuade your friend of something Charles Darwin said. Not that I'm encouraging that

00:43:48.980 necessarily. But you wouldn't just begin with from the origin of species. You would begin with who is

00:43:54.720 Charles Darwin. What observations did he make? What experiments did he undertake? What was the

00:44:01.600 historical context in which Charles Darwin came about? What was he reacting against? That's probably

00:44:06.080 what you would do. If you were to show a science work on, say, the Big Bang, you would say, who is

00:44:13.200 George Lemaître? And you would find out that George Lemaître is actually a Catholic priest, the man who

00:44:16.900 discovered the Big Bang. And the term was actually a term of derision by atheists who wanted to make fun of

00:44:23.180 the idea that this priest had discovered something about the origin of the universe that seemed to

00:44:28.000 accord perfectly with the Genesis account. So anyway, that's where you would begin. I would begin

00:44:32.860 there. Does God exist? If God exists, who is God? What is God like? What does the incarnation mean

00:44:43.400 in the light of who God is? And then what do we know about the incarnation? And at that point, I think

00:44:51.940 you get to the Bible. Next question. Hi, Michael. I am wondering why you prefer the Latin Mass over

00:45:00.040 the English Mass, but criticize the Spanish response to the State of the Union. As you've said once or

00:45:05.680 twice, culture is downstream of politics, and our Catholic identity is part of our culture. So I'm

00:45:12.020 curious to see what you think about this. I thought this question would be extra relevant this week,

00:45:17.340 because in case you haven't heard, there is a football team representing the cradle of liberty

00:45:21.560 playing in a big game this weekend that you may want to catch. Go Eagles. Have a nice weekend, Michael.

00:45:27.780 I actually hadn't heard that. Like, I knew the Super Bowl was happening, but I am so tuned out of

00:45:33.520 football, especially since all the BLM stuff, that I didn't even know that the Eagles were playing. 0.69

00:45:39.040 That's cool. All right. That's good on the Eagles. As for the question of the Spanish State of the

00:45:45.240 Union versus the Latin Mass, one, if the State of the Union response were in Latin, that'd be a

00:45:50.600 completely different story, because at least then you're speaking in the language that once united all

00:45:55.060 of Western Christendom. But we don't have that anymore. We don't have a unified Christian empire or

00:46:01.440 anything even resembling that. We have nations, and here we have the American nation, and the purpose of

00:46:07.360 the State of the Union is to describe the state of our nation, one nation, under God, indivisible,

00:46:13.160 a pluribus unum, out of many one. And so it is contrary to the very idea of the State of the

00:46:21.400 Union address to give it in multiple languages, because those multiple languages suggest a division.

00:46:28.700 And specifically, the insertion of Spanish into the State of the Union is an acknowledgement of mass

00:46:36.660 migration and the failure of assimilation, specifically from a handful of Latin American

00:46:40.400 countries. And so the medium can become the message. A lot of people are saying, well, why can't we just

00:46:46.280 get the conservative message out to Spanish people? I think that's a great idea. I have nothing against

00:46:50.260 Hispanic people. I have nothing against the Spanish language. I speak romance languages. I look fairly

00:46:57.340 Hispanic myself, so I've got nothing against any of that. But I'm recognizing here that if you give a 0.78

00:47:04.840 deeply conservative message in a medium that is not very conservative, that is radical, that goes along

00:47:12.780 with the premises of the liberals, then you're not really presenting a conservative message at all.

00:47:18.460 That's a bad idea. The question is, what is it for? I find Latin is better suited to the mass.

00:47:24.640 One, the traditional Latin mass is a little bit confusing because it's not just about the language.

00:47:30.920 It's a different mass. The liturgy is different. The orientation of it is different. I find it to be

00:47:35.900 much more reverent. It's obviously much more traditional. And I think it's more conducive to worship.

00:47:42.320 But the Latin, the language, is also better suited for the mass because it shows a unity, a universality,

00:47:51.440 a Catholicity. It's Catholic in the sense that until the last 50 years or so, you could go anywhere

00:47:58.740 on earth. You could walk into the mass. They would be speaking the same language. It shows you something

00:48:04.520 about the universal church. If you look at the state of the union, the purpose of it is to express the

00:48:12.200 state of our American nation. And so it should be conducted in the language of the American nation,

00:48:17.740 which is English. Next question. Hi, Michael. You were talking, I think it was yesterday or the

00:48:24.040 day before, about embryos and having them frozen and how that was wrong. So I have an older sister

00:48:30.700 and she had some infertility issues and her and her husband just were not able to get pregnant. But 1.00

00:48:37.500 thankfully through IVF, they've been able to get pregnant. And they have several embryos frozen

00:48:44.300 for their future plans for future family. And anyway, I was asking her what they're going to do

00:48:51.920 because they have more than they want children wise. And anyway, I was curious what your thoughts

00:48:59.040 were on what to do with those frozen embryos. I know you don't like the embryos, but I just the fact

00:49:06.740 of you have them. And I was just curious what your thoughts were on what you would do in that

00:49:13.680 situation. My husband and I just, we could not figure out what to do. And yeah, do you destroy

00:49:18.900 these people, these babies, or do you let someone else have your, essentially your child and have that 0.72

00:49:28.480 child never know you? And yeah, I just thought that was a very thought-provoking question that I knew

00:49:35.980 you would have a very good answer for. So anyway, love the show. Thanks.

00:49:40.160 Thank you very much. I hope I have a good answer for it. Just one slight correction there. You said,

00:49:44.900 Michael, I know you don't like the embryos. I like the embryos very much. In fact, that is why I don't

00:49:50.200 support these forms of artificial contraception. The question you bring up of embryo adoption is a

00:49:57.760 difficult one and I think remains an open one. It is such a modern phenomenon. It's such a recent

00:50:02.760 phenomenon that bioethicists are still debating this. The church has not rendered any judgment one

00:50:10.140 way or the other. It would, it is tempting to say, well, people should just adopt these embryos. I don't

00:50:17.720 think we should destroy them. I think that would be wrong. But we also need to recognize that

00:50:24.620 procreation is to take place in the context of a marriage within the conjugal union of husband and

00:50:31.380 wife. And children have a right to their natural mother and father bound together in marriage,

00:50:37.300 which is for the good of the spouses and the sake of the generation and education of children. So

00:50:42.760 there is a temptation to say, okay, well, we are where we are. This is a bad scenario.

00:50:48.200 So we're not going to kill the embryos, but we were, maybe we'll take them and implant them in other

00:50:53.260 people. I don't know that that's quite the right idea. That it exacerbates another problem, which is

00:51:03.240 the establishment of the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of human life. That is

00:51:08.380 not acceptable at all. It separates procreation from the conjugal act. That is not acceptable.

00:51:14.280 So what does one do? I think what one does is not rush to judgment. There is an impulse,

00:51:22.780 especially in the modern world, to the moment that some new technology comes out and becomes popular,

00:51:27.320 we have to render a for all and eternity sort of bioethical judgment on it. And this can lead to

00:51:34.460 really bad consequences. I think of Lambeth, you know, the notion where Protestant churches came out

00:51:40.320 and endorsed aspects of the sexual revolution, endorsed artificial contraception and the like.

00:51:45.480 That, I think a lot of that came out of a sense of urgency along with other mistakes, but it led to

00:51:51.940 so many more problems down the road. Whereas what I would do in this case is I would allow the

00:51:57.700 bioethicists, the real bioethicists, you know, the people who are trained in this regard to debate this

00:52:04.520 for some period of time. And what I would do in the meantime is proceed with caution and follow the

00:52:13.660 first advice of the Hippocratic Oath. First, do no harm. All right, we've got the real scoop on

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The Michael Knowles Show - February 10, 2023

Ep. 1181 - Woke ＂Think Tank＂ Tries To Cancel Me

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