The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1290 - Panicked Libs Launch Nuclear Option On The Trump Campaign

00:00:00.000 Breaking news this morning, Donald Trump's poll numbers were getting a little too high,

00:00:04.580 so the Biden administration is indicting him again. This one is different though.

00:00:11.080 This time, they are not indicting Trump over his souvenir boxes from the White House,

00:00:16.820 or over an in-kind campaign contribution that he made to himself, or over some crazy lady who

00:00:23.260 fantasized about him ravishing her in Bergdorf Goodman's. This time, the feds are bringing out

00:00:28.900 the big guns. They're indicting Trump over his role in January 6th, the worst day in the history

00:00:40.900 of this or any republic. Trump has responded to the indictment with characteristic aplomb,

00:00:50.080 truthing. He intweeted, he truthed it. Wow. All caps. Wow. On Sunday night, while I was with my

00:00:58.420 family, having just arrived from the Turning Point event in Florida, where I won the straw poll

00:01:03.260 against all other Republican candidates with 85.7%, with all polls showing me leading in the

00:01:07.960 Republican primary by very substantial numbers, almost everyone predicting that I will be the

00:01:11.820 Republican nominee for president. What a parenthetical. Trump, the king of parentheticals.

00:01:17.900 And as I am leading Democrat Joe Biden in the polls by a lot, horrifying news for our country was

00:01:22.480 given to me by my attorneys. Deranged Jack Smith, the prosecutor with Joe Biden's DOJ,

00:01:28.480 sent a letter, parentheses, again, it was Sunday night, stating that I am a target of the January

00:01:36.760 6th grand jury investigation and giving me a very short four days to report to the grand jury,

00:01:42.180 which almost always means an arrest and indictment. Then it goes on. I actually only read a small

00:01:47.840 portion of this truth statement. It's great. Strongly encourage you to go read the whole

00:01:53.340 thing. It's, at the very least, quite entertaining. So now we wait, not only on this indictment,

00:01:59.180 but on the next one, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the dozens and dozens

00:02:05.560 that the Democrats have prepared for Trump until he breathes his last breath, after which they will

00:02:11.840 dig up his corpse and indict him again. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:02:24.500 Welcome back to the show. Quite a lot to get to today, not just in the Republican primary,

00:02:30.860 but in the Democrat primary. You've now got the White House referring to the biggest threat to Joe

00:02:37.480 Biden in the Democrat Party. That would be Bobby Kennedy Jr. calling him vile. We'll get to that

00:02:42.400 in just a moment. First, though, of all the crazy indictments and investigations and accusations

00:02:47.300 against Trump, this one is the craziest one. This one is the least defensible. This is less defensible

00:02:52.460 than the Russia hoax. This is less defensible than the Ukraine hoax. This is less defensible than the

00:02:57.620 supposed porn star payment, which is just an in-kind contribution to his own campaign, which is not a

00:03:03.480 crime at all. It's totally acceptable. This is crazier even than the Bergdorf Goodman lady, that

00:03:08.820 gossip columnist who kept on inventing news stories about how Trump ravished her in a department store.

00:03:14.460 This one is crazier because Trump's actions on January 6th, whatever you think of them, you might

00:03:21.920 think they were irresponsible. You might think they were stupid. You might think they were self-defeating.

00:03:24.940 You might think they were immoral even. They're not without precedent in American history. And when it

00:03:32.480 comes to politics, they're more justified than many other Trump actions because there were legitimate

00:03:39.880 questions about the 2020 election. And if you ask me, there remain legitimate questions.

00:03:44.400 It's quite clear that the Democrats changed the voting rules in the run-up to the election

00:03:49.120 in order to disadvantage Donald Trump. In some cases, they did so in contravention of the law,

00:03:54.140 in contravention of state constitutions, as in the case of Pennsylvania. It was a hotly contested

00:03:59.220 election. The very fact that the voting numbers were so radically different from any election that

00:04:06.600 we'd seen before it, right? People say, Joe Biden won with 81 million votes. Well, that's 10 million

00:04:14.240 more votes than the last highest number. How on earth did we get to that? Well, because in this

00:04:19.980 election, we had widespread mail-in voting. We had widespread unsolicited mail-in ballots sent out.

00:04:24.880 We had widespread ballot harvesting. We had all sorts of things that you hadn't seen previously.

00:04:29.780 So there were all sorts of questions about the election. The last time we saw an election that

00:04:34.300 was this hotly contested was 1876. What happened in 1876? That was the election between Rutherford B.

00:04:41.380 Hayes, the Republican, and Sam Tilden, the Democrat. And there were all sorts of questions about the

00:04:46.020 election and whether or not every ballot that was cast was legit. And in some cases, people were

00:04:50.580 prevented from having their ballots counted. In the case of 2020, we're talking about ballots

00:04:54.860 stuffed in lockers in Michigan. We're talking about pipes bursting during the vote count,

00:04:58.480 the vote count that dragged on for days and days and weeks and weeks. In the case of 1876,

00:05:01.980 we're talking about people being turned away at the polls. We're talking about political violence at

00:05:05.740 the polls. In any case, you had this debate. People insisted that Sam Tilden won. Sam Tilden,

00:05:13.140 I think, incontrovertibly outpolled Rutherford B. Hayes at the popular vote level,

00:05:17.640 although that doesn't necessarily matter. But Rutherford B. Hayes was holding on to the count

00:05:23.620 by one vote. So what did they do? They did something not totally dissimilar from what you

00:05:28.160 saw on January 6th, the worst day ever, which is they held up the vote count. And then in 1876,

00:05:33.800 unlike in 2020, the Republicans and the Democrats went into a back room, struck a deal. This was

00:05:39.760 called the compromise, the bargain of 1876. And they said, okay, we'll give the Republicans the

00:05:45.360 presidency, but the Republicans need to pull out of the South for reconstruction. And that was a deal

00:05:49.020 acceptable to both parties. Where do you find that method in the Constitution? Where do you find that

00:05:54.040 method in US code? You don't. It was just a deal struck because you were in this really hot moment

00:06:00.840 that didn't seem to be accommodated for in the law. A similar thing went on in 2020. We'd never seen a

00:06:07.680 global pandemic that changed all the voting rules, that shut down the vote counts, that created

00:06:12.240 widespread mail-in ballots. It was after you had the deep state, after you had the political

00:06:17.780 apparatchiks for the opposing party come in and for four years consistently try to illegally undermine

00:06:24.480 the sitting president. We didn't have that kind of deal. So anyway, Trump held his rally. It didn't

00:06:29.560 work out, obviously. It didn't work out as a matter of maintaining the presidency. It didn't work out as a

00:06:33.800 matter of political optics. But to suggest that that is somehow an egregious, unprecedented,

00:06:40.380 totally politically unheard of thing to do is just crazy. And the Democrats now, because they won

00:06:48.960 optically, because they won practically in terms of holding the White House, they are never going

00:06:54.800 to stop punishing this guy. And it's always about January 6th. Because what it's really always about

00:06:58.760 is the fact that Trump won in the first place, which he wasn't supposed to do. And they rigged the

00:07:02.460 2016 election using the DOJ and the FBI to rig it against him. He somehow miraculously squeaked

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00:08:31.300 The number two guy in the Republican race, Ron DeSantis, responded on the fly to this news that

00:08:37.540 Trump is being indicted yet again by the Biden administration. Here's his answer.

00:08:42.660 I think what we've seen in this country is an attempt to criminalize politics and to try to

00:08:47.460 criminalize differences. So I don't know what was all about that, but I do know that we look at

00:08:53.020 institutions, unfortunately, like our own FBI and Department of Justice, and we've seen the

00:08:58.560 politicization of those institutions. We've seen them be weaponized against Americans.

00:09:04.720 Pro-life activists can have the SWAT team come at them. Meanwhile, Hunter Biden, he would have been

00:09:10.960 in jail if he were a Republican, and we all know that. So that's, I think, been a frustration to see

00:09:16.880 how that is wielded. So I can't speak about that because I haven't seen it, but I can tell you

00:09:22.820 one of my jobs as president will be to end the weaponization of these agencies, and I will get

00:09:30.220 that job done. We will make it happen. This is a good answer. He's in an impossible spot,

00:09:36.060 and he gave a good answer. And the best part of the answer is that first part of it, when he says,

00:09:40.100 they're trying to criminalize politics. They're trying to say that now, if you dispute the results

00:09:45.840 of an election, something that they have done without justification for decades, if you,

00:09:51.120 with great justification in an election where they changed all the rules right away, if you dispute

00:09:57.800 that, you're committing a treasonous act, and you need to be put away forever, and we're going to get

00:10:03.400 you six ways from Sunday. And he's saying, if you disagree now with some fashionable new ideology

00:10:10.480 that's cropped up, the kind that we're not allowed to talk about on Big Tech, that you're committing

00:10:14.520 a crime against humanity. You need to be censored. You need to be ostracized. You need to be kicked

00:10:19.460 out of society. He's saying, this is a big problem, and it's not just about Trump. You're

00:10:23.340 seeing the FBI show up and surveil Catholic masses. You're seeing parents described as domestic

00:10:30.860 terrorists. You're seeing pro-lifers have their doors kicked in almost, and have their seven kids

00:10:36.720 watch daddy get arrested because he opposes abortion and infanticide. It's the criminalization

00:10:43.060 of ordinary, reasonable political disputes. Really perfectly good answer, and yet it's not

00:10:49.940 a good answer for DeSantis because no matter how he answers this thing, Trump is the center of

00:10:55.000 attention. And this is always the uphill slog for DeSantis. It's why I've said from the beginning,

00:11:00.440 DeSantis is a smart guy. I like him personally. I don't know him very well, but in as much as I do

00:11:05.260 know him personally, I think he's a really great guy. I think he's been a terrific governor of Florida.

00:11:09.420 I think he very likely could be a very good president. The uphill slog for him here is the

00:11:14.700 election is about Trump. And sometimes you'll hear people on the right, they'll say, well,

00:11:18.940 do we really want this election to be about Trump? Well, I don't really care what you want. It just

00:11:23.660 is. Because in war and in politics, your enemy has a say. And the enemy and the opponents are making

00:11:31.520 this about Donald Trump. They're going to indict him. They are indicting him. It's happening right now.

00:11:36.280 And so it is about him. Are we going to allow the leader of the opposition

00:11:40.020 to be just indicted and thrown in prison in America? Oh, we're not? Then I guess we have

00:11:45.020 to defend him. If we're going to defend him, then the election's about him. And you might pull your

00:11:50.260 hair out. You might say, but it's not fair and it's not right and it's not how it should be. Well,

00:11:53.820 okay, sorry. That's politics, man. You don't get to set all of the rules. That's one of the real

00:12:00.860 tricks of politics in war is you've got to respond with prudence to the circumstances that are

00:12:07.860 sometimes affected by the moves that your opponents make as well. It's a really tricky spot. So how can

00:12:15.680 DeSantis threat it? He's threatening it as well as he possibly can now. But even making every smart move

00:12:22.880 and saying every smart thing and writing just about every smart policy, Trump remains dominant in the

00:12:28.720 polls. And this indictment is going to probably boost him up in the polls even more. Think about

00:12:34.320 all the great stuff that DeSantis has done. I'm just adding to the tragedy of what, and when I say

00:12:41.960 political tragedy, I don't just mean something that's sort of unfortunate or disadvantageous or

00:12:47.460 something like that. I mean that the seeds of destruction were built in from the beginning. I mean

00:12:52.880 a tragedy in the Shakespearean sense. I mean tragedy in the classical sense here. Here's another great

00:12:58.040 great thing that came out of DeSantis. DeSantis has been going after the woke school administrators.

00:13:03.500 And so this is Florida State Board that is allied with Governor DeSantis. And it just blocked the

00:13:10.840 appointment of a university president at Florida Atlantic University. Florida Atlantic University

00:13:15.920 wanted to hire this woke Navy guy who's got a long history of supporting woke politics and all sorts of

00:13:22.700 crazy liberalism. The board shut down the appointment of that potential university presidents. You're

00:13:29.380 seeing not only the right political vision, but you're seeing people wielding that political power

00:13:34.940 in real time, actually getting stuff done. Man, isn't that great? And yet you're not seeing DeSantis

00:13:44.140 get any credit for that in the polls. And very likely you won't, at least unless something radically

00:13:48.780 changes in the election. So a lot of people are saying, all right, if this is among the DeSantis

00:13:54.280 supporters, they'll say if DeSantis isn't going to be the president, maybe he could be the VP pick.

00:13:58.780 But I think we all know that's not going to happen. These are two top dogs. These guys are not playing

00:14:03.260 nicely with one another. They are going head to head. The primary is going to get even more bruising

00:14:08.680 as things go on. And so Trump's not going to pick DeSantis to be VP. And DeSantis probably wouldn't

00:14:14.220 want to be Trump's VP. These guys are both going for the top job. So where does that leave us? I've

00:14:20.220 got one crazy suggestion. DeSantis could still be the GOP nominee. I'm not saying it couldn't happen.

00:14:28.040 He's still got a decent enough shot at it. Trump might get indicted. I don't know. Trump might,

00:14:34.080 God forbid, fall down the stairs or something. So he might fall away as the number one guy.

00:14:38.220 But if things keep up as they are, and Trump is the nominee, and if Trump somehow manages to

00:14:44.040 make it through and become the president again, what if DeSantis were the chief of staff?

00:14:51.400 It seems crazy. I know you said that. Why would Ron DeSantis want to be the chief of staff? Well,

00:14:55.520 because DeSantis is clearly a policy wonk. DeSantis is clearly good at pulling the levers of power,

00:15:02.680 getting things done, sometimes behind the scenes. These are things that Trump is not necessarily

00:15:06.520 interested in. Trump is a world historic figure. Trump likes the big picture. Trump likes the cameras.

00:15:11.360 Trump likes talking. Trump doesn't always like the details and the minutiae of the personnel

00:15:16.260 decisions. Trump doesn't always like the details and minutiae of the policy decisions. And so what

00:15:22.000 if you had a President Trump and a White House chief of staff, Ron DeSantis? White House chief of

00:15:27.360 staff in many ways is the most powerful person in the world, the most powerful person in Washington,

00:15:31.640 and therefore in the whole world, working on all those little, the personnel, the minutiae,

00:15:36.080 the policy. It's not unheard of. We've had governors who have served as White House chief

00:15:41.900 of staff before, including after they were governor. Sherman Adams was the chief of staff to Eisenhower.

00:15:48.240 He was a governor of New Hampshire. John Sununu for George H.W. Bush, he was governor of New Hampshire.

00:15:53.620 Then he became White House chief of staff. I'm just throwing this out there as a possible outcome,

00:16:00.420 because a lot of people are saying, well, look, Trump is today likely going to be the nominee,

00:16:05.980 and I would support Trump. And probably the people who are supporting DeSantis now

00:16:10.460 would come over and vote for Trump again. It's not totally clear that people who would vote for

00:16:15.980 Trump would vote for DeSantis. And so, okay, let's say it's going to be Trump. Let's just say it.

00:16:21.160 Let's just go with that hypothetical. You don't want to lose DeSantis. DeSantis is a really great

00:16:26.420 political talent. What could you do? Is there any way for these two guys to work together?

00:16:30.620 That's just my suggestion. I'm throwing it out there. Campaigns take it for what it's worth.

00:16:38.380 Now, speaking of a potential Trump administration, New York Times is reporting, terrified, horrified,

00:16:44.540 that if Trump did manage to make it into office again, he wants to expand the powers of the president.

00:16:53.080 Here we go. Generalissimo Donald Trumpo. Here we go. The authoritarian autocratic fascist. He wants

00:17:02.940 to expand presidential powers. The Times says they're citing campaign policy proposals and

00:17:08.120 interviews with people close to Trump. Trump wants to bring independent agencies like the FCC,

00:17:15.020 the FTC, the Communications Commission, the Trade Commission under direct presidential control,

00:17:19.660 take away some of their independence. He wants to revive the practice of impounding funds,

00:17:25.980 meaning to refuse to spend money that Congress has appropriated for certain programs and supposedly

00:17:31.020 independent agencies. And he wants to make the presidency really strong and powerful again.

00:17:38.340 And if this proposal came out 10 years ago, if this were an Obama proposal, you know all of the

00:17:47.200 Republicans, and especially the conservative Republicans, the Tea Party types, they would

00:17:53.300 be throwing a fit about this. They say, no, we want less presidential power. That was, for much of my

00:17:58.120 lifetime, that was what the Republicans said they wanted. We want less presidential power.

00:18:03.020 Now, the conservatives are saying we want more presidential power. What changed? Well, one,

00:18:08.200 the libertarians have lost some of their sway at the elite levels of the GOP.

00:18:12.620 And the traditional conservatives have gained more sway. The populists have gained more sway as well.

00:18:20.000 But also, people have seen what it looks like to give up this power. For much of my life,

00:18:30.040 and don't forget, I'm a pretty young man. I'm fresh and virile and young. So before I was even a glint

00:18:36.500 in my father's eye, Republicans were much more confident wielding power. Republicans were much

00:18:41.480 less under the sway of the libertarian notions of just giving up all the government power. But for

00:18:47.360 much of my lifetime, we've said, no, we just want to give up power. We don't want the president to have

00:18:50.340 a lot. We want a very weak president. Well, okay, what does a weak president mean? It doesn't mean that

00:18:54.980 power goes away. A weak president means that the power goes elsewhere. Where's the power going to go?

00:19:00.620 Is it going to go to Congress? No, Congress doesn't want power at all. Congress doesn't want

00:19:04.420 responsibility. That's why Congress gave away its power to the independent agencies.

00:19:09.140 So where does the power go? The power goes to the bureaucracy. And the power goes to bureaucratic

00:19:14.460 agencies specifically that don't have a lot of presidential supervision. So it's not as though

00:19:19.060 the president gives up power and then all of a sudden the people get more power, whether through

00:19:22.760 their elected representatives or the appointees of the president. No, the president gives up power and

00:19:27.240 it just goes to completely unaccountable, unelected bureaucrats who are overwhelmingly liberal,

00:19:31.620 who cannot really be brought under any particular control and who have a bad vision of the country.

00:19:37.700 So what the populists have realized is something that the traditional conservatives have long

00:19:41.940 understood. And it's something that the GOP is finally beginning to deal with, which is

00:19:46.740 the power is going to go somewhere. Do you want the power to go to the bureaucrats? There are many

00:19:55.900 many worse places for power to go than to the U.S. president. And this is a trend, by the way,

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00:21:22.180 Serendipitous timing with this new indictment of President Trump because it all surrounds

00:21:27.440 January 6th. And who is the face of January 6th? You know. You remember there's one face that

00:21:37.700 sums up January 6th and it's the man in the red, white, and blue face paint with the furs,

00:21:43.840 shirtless, and the horn hat on. That's, he is Mr. January 6th. And coincidentally, that guy just got

00:21:51.040 out of prison, got out of his halfway house, which he went to after prison. And he has sat down for his

00:21:59.120 first long sit-down in-person interview. And he happened to do that with yours truly,

00:22:05.720 with your favorite podcaster. That man's name is Jacob Chansley. You remember him,

00:22:09.980 the horn hat guy, the insurrectionist, the QAnon shaman. Well, after January 6th, the worst day in

00:22:15.200 the history of our sacred democracy, Jacob was thrown in jail for over two years. I sat down with

00:22:20.340 him. Here's a little teaser of what we talked about. You were in solitary confinement for 10 and a

00:22:25.900 half months. 10 and a half months. That seems like torture. I experienced some miraculous things

00:22:30.700 in solitary. I'm freaking out. I'm in a cell. I'm freaking out. I'm like, what the hell?

00:22:35.580 And I had a Bible in my hand. I said, I'm going to, I'm going to close my eyes and I'm going to open

00:22:38.880 this Bible. And I'm going to point to a random verse with my eyes closed. And I need you to speak

00:22:43.140 with me. So I closed my eyes, I opened the Bible. I point to a random verse. And the verse was,

00:22:47.860 I am yours and you are mine. I have redeemed you and called you by name. Oh, Jacob. Oh yeah.

00:22:53.740 The full version of this episode cleaned up. You know, we clean up the audio a little bit.

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00:23:46.700 It's coming up later today. This movement for populism, this movement for greater representation

00:23:54.940 of the people, this movement for more of a mixed regime in keeping with the classical conservative

00:24:01.200 tradition, that is not just happening in America. It's happening all over the world. Spain right now

00:24:06.780 might have its first properly right-wing government since Francisco Franco. This coalition involves not

00:24:15.420 just the center-right party that's been prominent in Spain for a while, but also the populist right-wing

00:24:22.660 party. That would be the Vox party voice. According to the Associated Press, so it's a left-wing

00:24:28.680 outlet, take it with a grain of salt. But according to the Associated Press, the Vox party manifesto is

00:24:34.900 virtually, quote, a copy and paste of the tenets of the Franco regime. The Franco regime was the right-wing

00:24:40.320 regime that, that beat out the communists from taking over Spain and stopped the communists from

00:24:46.480 murdering priests and raping nuns. One of the most wicked, evil political movements we've seen in

00:24:51.200 modern history. Those, those Spanish communists. Franco comes in, beats the communists, restores basic

00:24:57.440 order to Spain, though he was an authoritarian ruler. And, but he, he wasn't, he wasn't a totalitarian.

00:25:04.780 He wasn't some terrible, awful, rotten guy. He, he beat the terrible, awful, rotten guys, the communists.

00:25:11.140 And he maintained power until the seventies. After that, Spain democratized a little bit. But what

00:25:17.060 happens so often in the name of democracy, you just see this imposition of ever more liberal government

00:25:22.820 with less representation of the people, less respect for traditions and upending of the society that most

00:25:28.160 people want. And so now you're seeing a return of more of a right-wing party. It's a reminder that

00:25:34.440 right-wing populism is popular. Trump did not just accidentally win. That this is how the liberals

00:25:42.460 around the West want to write the story of the 2016 election. Oh, Trump only won. Trump just won

00:25:48.140 because Hillary was particularly unpopular. It was a total fluke. That's the only reason that guy

00:25:53.780 managed to squeak by is because Hillary was uniquely unpopular. Okay, sure. Then how do you explain Brexit?

00:26:01.680 How do you explain Brexit? An expression of the same popular right-wing sentiments in the UK that we

00:26:12.940 saw in the 2016 election here at pretty much exactly the same time. How do you explain?

00:26:19.180 Well, the Brexit, you see, it was because of dishonest right-wing propaganda campaign. It was a

00:26:23.960 total fluke. It wasn't supposed to happen. Okay, Brexit was a fluke. How do you explain the election

00:26:28.580 and popularity of the right-wing government of Viktor Orban in Hungary? Well, that was also,

00:26:33.500 that was just a fluke. Okay, how do you explain the victory of George Maloney, who at the very least

00:26:37.780 campaigned as a right-wing populist leader in Italy? Well, I don't know. That was also a fluke.

00:26:42.520 How do you explain the election of right-wing governments in Sweden? How do you explain?

00:26:46.860 Well, I don't know. That was also, okay. All right. I guess it's all, wow, it's all a fluke.

00:26:50.220 It's all just an accident because of these particular circumstances that's been happening

00:26:56.760 at exactly the same time throughout the West. I don't think it's a fluke, guys. I think this is

00:27:02.680 a civilization-wide phenomenon because of a too-long experiment in liberalism that often in the name

00:27:11.140 of democracy has undermined democracy, and more important than that, has undermined the pillars

00:27:16.100 of our foundation, the things that we all really value. Family, order, justice, culture, beauty,

00:27:24.960 truth. We're not even allowed to speak the truth on some of the biggest communication platforms in

00:27:28.360 the world right now. We're not even allowed to speak the truth when we go to our schools,

00:27:32.060 when we go to our jobs in the government. We're not allowed to question the ever more capricious

00:27:38.360 and corrupt leaders of our liberal governments. It's a civilization-wide phenomenon to say,

00:27:44.980 wow, whenever we threw out tradition in the name of some bright progressive utopia,

00:27:50.960 we threw out the baby with the bathwater. I'm not even sure we threw out the bathwater. I think we

00:27:54.520 might have just thrown out the baby. And so the West is waking up. Now, the people very clearly are on

00:28:01.040 the side of tradition, on the side of order, on the side of just being normal, okay. The question is,

00:28:08.400 do the people have sufficient political power to overcome the liberal regime? In 2016, we did,

00:28:13.180 though not for very long. In the Brexit, the people did, although the liberal regime was able

00:28:19.320 to really water down that Brexit and gum up the works for a long time. In Hungary, actually,

00:28:24.620 has fared pretty well. In Italy, not so much. Brussels has reimposed a lot of its will,

00:28:30.180 even on a popular right wing. So this is a live political issue, but you can't look at the 2024

00:28:37.060 presidential race in America outside of that issue. When people say, gosh, why can't we just go back and

00:28:41.500 have a kind of early 2000s style Republican candidate like Mike Pence? Why can't we just go

00:28:47.540 back and have a kind of 1990s, 2000s style Republican candidate like Asa Hutchinson or

00:28:53.520 Chris Christie even? Chris Christie, frankly, is even kind of hip to the jive for that sort of stuff.

00:28:58.660 Or like, I don't know, Tim Scott or somebody like that. Why can't we do that?

00:29:03.780 Because that's not the time we're in. That's not what's motivating right wing politics. It is not

00:29:07.920 a cult of personality around Trump, as the liberals and the never Trumpers want to pretend

00:29:12.120 that it is. This is a broad movement throughout the entire West. And you can deny that if you're

00:29:19.320 an establishment and a squishy lib type. You can deny that all you like, but it will be to your

00:29:24.120 own detriment because this phenomenon is not going anywhere. Now, speaking of Chris Christie,

00:29:30.540 speaking of politics overseas, Chris Christie did not show up to the Tucker Carlson blaze media

00:29:37.020 candidate forum last week. Trump didn't show up. Christie didn't show up. The other candidates

00:29:43.880 did. Some of them did very well. Ron DeSantis did very well. Nikki Haley actually did pretty well.

00:29:48.860 Some of the candidates did very poorly. Mike Pence didn't, didn't fare very well there. Asa

00:29:53.140 Hutchinson got completely obliterated. But Christie now, he is playing armchair quarterback. Chris

00:30:02.260 Christie is trying to play a little catch up here. And he's, he's going on television to say what he

00:30:06.860 would have said had he shown up to face Tucker's questions. You weren't in Iowa, you weren't at the

00:30:12.680 Tucker Carlson forum, but if you were being pressed on Ukraine like that, how would you have responded?

00:30:17.780 I would have said, you've always been wrong about this, Tucker, and you're still wrong.

00:30:21.340 That in fact, what's going on, George, is that this is a proxy war with China.

00:30:26.460 The Chinese are funding the Russian war by buying Russian oil. They're coordinating with

00:30:32.240 the Iranians to provide lethal weapons to the Russian army. And we could decide when to have

00:30:37.800 this conflict. Right now, the Ukrainians are willing to fight this fight for themselves if they have our

00:30:43.380 support to be able to win it. If the Chinese watch us back away from Ukraine, as Tucker Carlson and

00:30:49.940 others would advocate, believe me, the next move will be Taiwan.

00:30:53.960 Yeah, that's what he would have said. And boy, that would have played really, really well. Can

00:30:57.640 you imagine had, had it been the case that Chris Christie had shown up on Friday and actually

00:31:03.640 faced, oh man, that would have been something else. This is just a real life expression of the

00:31:10.220 family guy bit about Italians speaking in the hypothetical.

00:31:15.700 There you go, being confident, like an Italian guy in any given theoretical situation.

00:31:20.920 If that was me, I'm just saying, if that was me, they are lucky that was not me. Because if the

00:31:27.040 circumstances were such as you have described them, but with me in them, that's a very different

00:31:32.860 and scary outcome for those involved. If.

00:31:38.240 To a T, not just describing Chris Christie, but a broader subset of the Italian American culture.

00:31:44.060 This is, maybe some of you didn't grow up with children of the Mezzogiorno in your communities,

00:31:48.580 but this is exactly how Italian Americans talk, especially around you. Now listen here,

00:31:52.860 had I been there that night? Oh boy, you should be thrilled that I wasn't there that night.

00:31:58.120 Because what would have happened then, now I'm not going to need to prove any of this

00:32:02.040 practically, because I'm not going to, I wasn't there. But had I been there, oh boy.

00:32:06.900 And that's totally right. And that's what Christie's doing. Well, the question is,

00:32:09.620 all right, Christie, if you're so confident, if you got such a good answer, why didn't you show up?

00:32:14.720 You didn't show up because you feared that Tucker was going to obliterate you, which he would have done.

00:32:20.560 And I'm not even making this observation as a criticism of Christie. I'm actually

00:32:24.760 paying a compliment to Christie. Christie's a smart politician.

00:32:28.920 Christie knew that he had basically nothing to gain by showing up for a one-on-one with Tucker Carlson,

00:32:34.540 and he had a considerable amount to lose. Christie is a smart politician. I have long

00:32:38.800 predicted that he could have a moment in this race, especially if Ron DeSantis is unseated as

00:32:43.200 the number two guy. And so we all, we all wait on the croissants, the croissants. And for now,

00:32:50.860 Christie's going to back away. He's going to give up the opportunity to make gains in the polls,

00:32:54.560 which in Iowa with Tucker, I don't think even really existed. And he's going to preserve his

00:33:00.220 3% and he's not going to, he's not going to lose his support as we saw happened with Asa Hutchinson

00:33:05.080 and Mike Pence. Both of them took that risk with, I don't think a lot of potential upside and they got

00:33:09.220 absolutely crushed. But this is the issue. This is, this is then the other issue for Christie.

00:33:16.940 He's playing it safe. And when you've got 3% and you play it safe, you're going to lose.

00:33:23.140 Now he might be trying to play it safe while the other candidates play risky so that he can

00:33:26.860 gain their support and just steadily increase in the polls. The problem is Asa Hutchinson and Mike

00:33:32.520 Pence aside, all the big players are playing it safe. Ron DeSantis is playing it safe.

00:33:40.380 Donald Trump is certainly playing it safe. That's why Trump didn't show up in Iowa.

00:33:45.300 Because what did Trump have to gain? Maybe he could have taken a little bit of support. Tucker kind of

00:33:50.240 likes Trump. But you remember during the Dominion lawsuit, you had those texts come out from Tucker

00:33:54.520 that showed that Tucker was really frustrated with Trump. And he, he criticized Trump on some occasion.

00:33:59.200 And Tucker is known for just going after anybody that he's interviewing just about. And so I think

00:34:03.500 Trump made the calculation. All right, I don't have a lot to gain and I potentially could lose

00:34:07.720 part of my 30 point lead right now. So I'm just not going to show up. I'm going to play it safe.

00:34:12.080 Ron DeSantis, broadly speaking, is playing it safe in this race. He's running as, as Trump 2.0.

00:34:18.560 I'm, I'm like Trump. I've got all the good qualities of Trump, but I'm going to,

00:34:21.600 I'm going to implement policies a little bit better. I'm not going to step too far out on any of

00:34:26.080 these contentious policy areas. You see this, especially in Ukraine,

00:34:28.760 Ron DeSantis is trying to straddle this line on Ukraine. Well, I, I want to pull some funding,

00:34:33.800 but I don't want to totally back out of, of our support for the war. And he's just,

00:34:37.920 he's just playing it safe. I get it. He's the number two guy, but you know what happens to the

00:34:41.620 number two guy when the number two guy plays it safe the whole time? He comes in at number two.

00:34:46.520 When the number two guy plays it safe for the whole campaign, he is going to be the best loser.

00:34:52.080 And that is doubly, triply, quadruply true of the number three guy and the number four guy,

00:34:58.880 the number five guy. You know, the one candidate who's not really playing it safe right now

00:35:02.060 is Vivek Ramaswamy. And Vivek Ramaswamy went from zero percent, nobody ever heard the guy's name

00:35:06.680 to now number three. And who knows, he's even making some threats at becoming the number two guy in the

00:35:12.160 race. This is a businessman, never held public office. He's like 12 years old. You know,

00:35:18.480 Vivek is 37 years old. He's got a name that is not particularly well known in American politics.

00:35:24.680 He's got this Indian name. He's a Hindu. He's, he's come out of completely out of left field,

00:35:30.200 but because he's taking risks and he's speaking openly and he's addressing issues in a way where

00:35:35.720 he doesn't back away. Some woman comes up and starts yelling at him during his campaign event.

00:35:40.420 He says, Hey, give her the microphone. Let's talk. Let's have a debate. He's really putting himself

00:35:44.120 out there and he's doing very well. If any candidates want to take on the big guy, if they

00:35:53.120 want to upset a race that seems to be pretty solidly locked in with the number one guy to 30 point

00:35:57.440 advantage, they're going to have to play it a little bit less safe, but nobody wants to be the

00:36:03.560 first one to do it. And so what you're seeing is maybe what ended up happening in 2016, which is

00:36:07.960 everyone just kind of bides their time, bides their time, bides their time. And eventually Trump

00:36:10.840 is the nominee. You know, folks, men and women are different. This is, it shouldn't be a brave

00:36:17.100 thing to say. This shouldn't be social, but men and women are different, not just physically,

00:36:20.860 but at a deeper level as well. And ironically, the more the libs try to erase those differences,

00:36:25.660 the more pronounced the differences become. Holding on to those sorts of facts and understanding

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00:36:45.220 episode is extremely important because the more men and women understand each other, the more they

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00:36:58.740 My favorite comment yesterday is from Alec Manstee629, who says,

00:37:04.520 Don't underestimate how sexy the sex robots will be. Best Michael Knowles quote ever. Thank you.

00:37:13.440 I hope that goes into some compendium of all of my greatest bits of wisdom. Do not underestimate how

00:37:20.220 sexy the sex robots will be. It's very easy for us conservatives to mock the idea of all this. But

00:37:26.660 even beyond sex robots and sex stuff generally, which is the sauciest and most titillating, which

00:37:33.380 is why it dominates the conversation. But even beyond that, just think about the other pleasures

00:37:36.860 of the modern world. The food, the relaxation, the leisure, the comfort, the clothing, even all of it.

00:37:45.820 It's all really nice and tempting. And then you think about even food that's bad for you. The food in

00:37:52.260 this modern world, it's so cheap. It's so sweet. It's so fatty and greasy and nice and juicy and

00:37:57.100 tasty. It's very hard to resist it. And then we become big fat slobs and we eat all the chemicals

00:38:01.680 that turn the freaking frogs gay. And, you know, these things happen because it's hard to resist

00:38:07.460 temptation. And I fear sometimes conservatives, we talk about temptation in the abstract. We say,

00:38:13.360 oh, everyone's falling into the temptations of decadent liberal society. And we shouldn't do that,

00:38:19.000 be it on pride, be it on gluttony, be it on wrath, be it on weird sex stuff, be it on sloth, but

00:38:24.560 there's a reason that people fall into temptation. Temptation is tempting. Speaking of

00:38:33.660 vice and sin and accusations about all that stuff, and speaking about the primaries, this time the

00:38:42.940 Democrat primary, Corrine Jean-Pierre, spokesman for President Joe Biden, has responded to Bobby

00:38:49.900 Kennedy's viral clip. You remember, we played it on the show a couple of days ago. In the clip,

00:38:55.340 Bobby Kennedy, he was being recorded at what seemed to be a semi-private dinner where he said

00:38:59.680 that there's a real concern now about ethnically targeted bioweapons. And there's one theory about

00:39:07.820 COVID, which is that COVID targets certain ethnicities more than others. And so COVID is

00:39:12.960 harsher on white people and black people, and it's less harsh for East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews.

00:39:19.780 And no one really knows why that is, but there is the scientific theory out there. That's what he said.

00:39:26.780 As a result of saying that, he's been called an anti-Semite. He hasn't been called Sinophobic

00:39:32.820 quite as much. He's called an anti-Semite, a racist more broadly, a maniac, a kook, an evil,

00:39:38.580 vile Nazi person. And the spokesman for the president has called him vile.

00:39:43.780 The claims made on that tape is false. It is vile. And they put our fellow Americans in danger.

00:39:54.020 If you think about the racist and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that come out of saying those

00:40:01.220 types of things, it's an attack on our fellow citizens, our fellow Americans. And so it is

00:40:06.160 important that we essentially speak out when we hear those claims made more broadly.

00:40:11.580 Okay, notice how vaguely she's speaking right here. She's speaking vaguely because what she's

00:40:16.060 saying is not true. She is saying that what Bobby Kennedy said is not true and it's vile and it's

00:40:22.300 anti-Semitic and it's racist and it's terrible. What did Bobby Kennedy say? Bobby Kennedy said there

00:40:28.220 is a concern about ethnically targeted bioweapons. That's true. That's been in scientific journals

00:40:34.460 and in popular magazines and newspapers for years now, that there is a concern that governments are

00:40:41.220 developing these sorts of things. That claim, true. What's the next claim? Bobby Kennedy said,

00:40:46.400 there is a theory that COVID targets some ethnicities over other ethnicities.

00:40:50.920 That is also indisputably true. What he's referring to is a scientific paper published

00:40:57.220 a couple of years ago by a real medical journal, by a real scientific journal that said that because

00:41:02.320 of some particular aspect of ACE2 receptors and how that relates to the COVID virus, white people and

00:41:08.680 black people are more susceptible to the virus than East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews. That just is true.

00:41:14.320 That's it. And if Bobby Kennedy had said the Chinese and the Jews are ganging up to craft a bioweapon to

00:41:24.460 take out all the black people, there would not be evidence of that. That would not, I guess then

00:41:29.340 Kareem Jean-Pierre could go off on her rant. But in terms of what Bobby Kennedy actually said on that

00:41:33.680 video, the claims he made were relatively modest and indisputably true. We went through the scientific

00:41:40.020 paper on, on the show the other day, but it has to be vile. It has to be awful and terrible and racist

00:41:48.900 and okay. Why is the white house saying that? Well, because Bobby Kennedy is pulling 19, 20% right now

00:41:54.640 out of the Democrat primary field. Almost certainly Biden will still walk away with the nomination,

00:41:58.880 but it's a threat. And so it's not unusual to have a political opponent smear

00:42:03.240 the, the other politician in order to gain electoral advantage. What's even crazier though

00:42:10.500 is that Bobby Kennedy's sister, Carrie Kennedy, just came out and said basically the same thing.

00:42:17.600 Carrie Kennedy said, quote, I strongly, all caps, I guess she learned how to tweet from Trump.

00:42:23.740 I strongly condemn my brother's deplorable and untruthful remarks last week about COVID being

00:42:28.720 engineered for ethnic targeting. Again, just to point out here, you might say the scientific study

00:42:34.380 that Bobby Kennedy was referring to is not an accurate scientific study. I don't know. What

00:42:39.760 the hell do I know about scientific studies? What do I know about ACE2 receptors? I don't know. I'm just,

00:42:43.560 but you cannot say that what Bobby Kennedy said was untrue in that he merely observed that there is

00:42:50.620 such a scientific study that was published in a scientific journal. You can, how can you say that

00:42:57.100 that is not true? And why is it deplorable? Why is it deplorable? I thought we were supposed to follow

00:43:01.520 the science. Yeah. How is it deplorable to bring up a scientific study? Even if maybe the scientific

00:43:07.020 study isn't true. I just don't know. I haven't seen any evidence that it's not true, by the way.

00:43:11.140 Now there are other scientific studies that raise questions about the meaning of that scientific

00:43:15.800 study. We went through those on the show the other day as well, but how could you say that?

00:43:21.200 I hate to defend Bobby Kennedy. I know some people on the right really love Bobby Kennedy now

00:43:25.180 because he's skeptical of the vaccines and we were all rightly quite skeptical of the COVID vaccine,

00:43:30.060 but Bobby Kennedy is a liberal Democrat. I'm not, I'm not like campaigning for Bobby Kennedy. Some

00:43:35.680 people say, well, you know, if the Kennedys were around today, they would be Republicans. That's not

00:43:40.160 true. You know how we know that's not true? Because the Kennedys are around today and they're,

00:43:42.580 and they're Democrats and they're libs and they campaign on all sorts of lib issues.

00:43:46.840 And they're totally bought into the climate change nonsense, you know, world is going to end

00:43:51.880 agenda. And they're broadly speaking pro-abortion and they're broadly speaking in favor of redefining

00:43:57.260 marriage. And they're broadly speaking in favor of all the other sorts of silly lib policies,

00:44:02.320 taking away our guns, all the rest of it. So I'm not, please don't sign me up to be the campaign

00:44:07.820 manager for Bobby Kennedy or any other Kennedy or any other Democrat. But I got to call it like I

00:44:12.620 sees it. I got to, I've got to be truthful here. And the truth is in the, in the modest claims that

00:44:20.300 Bobby Kennedy made, he didn't say anything that was wrong. And Kareem Jean-Pierre, White House

00:44:26.420 press secretary and Bobby Kennedy's sister, activist liberal Democrats, they are saying things that are

00:44:33.120 wrong as they usually do. What's the takeaway here? The takeaway here is that for liberals,

00:44:39.080 no bond supersedes political convenience. No bond, certainly not the family. They've spent a hundred

00:44:46.140 years trying to destroy the family and they've had great success doing that. So Kerry Kennedy can

00:44:52.500 throw her brother under the bus easily. A Biden can throw a Kennedy under the bus easily. Even a

00:44:57.860 Kennedy, even this is the first family of Democrat politics these days. They can do it. For the

00:45:03.340 liberals, no bond supersedes it. This is why you always see the liberals put out these, these stupid

00:45:08.680 advertisements and videos before Thanksgiving to say, here's how you can scream at your Republican

00:45:12.740 uncle at Thanksgiving. Hey, you want to have a good Thanksgiving? Here's how you can, you can ruin

00:45:17.120 dinner by talking about healthcare or some fashionable ideology that we're not allowed to talk about on

00:45:23.280 big tech. Or here's a, here's how you can bring up immigration at the Christmas table and ruin

00:45:28.680 Thanksgiving. Why do they say all that? Because they don't think family matters all that much. I

00:45:33.000 disagree with much of my family on all sorts of issues. But when I go to a family gathering, I don't,

00:45:37.840 I'm not there to win some stupid partisan political debate. I'm not there to convince

00:45:41.620 them to vote for some Republican candidate. I'm there to be with my family and do family stuff

00:45:45.400 because I like, because that's really important. And as a practical matter for much of my life,

00:45:51.200 that's much more important than whatever political issue du jour there is. For the libs,

00:45:56.220 they don't believe that. The libs want you to stop talking. Once you scream at your Republican

00:46:01.380 uncle at Thanksgiving, they want you to stop talking to him. They want you to ostracize him.

00:46:05.240 They don't want you to talk to or hang out with your parents. They don't want you to be really

00:46:11.100 close with your husband or your wife and be in an indissoluble bond. That's the basic building

00:46:15.660 block of society. They want you to be a completely atomized individual, strong individual with no

00:46:21.520 particular ties to anyone other than to the regime. Today's woke Wednesday, baby. The rest of the show

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 19, 2023

Ep. 1290 - Panicked Libs Launch Nuclear Option On The Trump Campaign

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