The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 13 - ‘Peace Through Violence’： Antifa And The ‘Alt-Left’

00:00:00.000 On Saturday, violent left-wing Antifa thugs assaulted police and right-wingers in Boston

00:00:06.140 as 40,000 protesters surrounded 50 or so free speech demonstrators.

00:00:11.560 We'll discuss where the real threat to liberty lies.

00:00:14.560 Plus, Antonia Okafor, Amanda Prestigiacomo, and Jacob Airey joined the panel of deplorables

00:00:20.320 to talk killer robots, anti-Trump stunts on campus,

00:00:24.360 and President Trump's disbanding of a global warming advisory panel, MAGA MAGA MAGA.

00:00:29.060 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:38.580 So today is an all-violence show.

00:00:41.360 We're going to be talking about Antifa.

00:00:43.560 We've got Antonia Okafor, sharpshooter extraordinaire. 1.00

00:00:46.620 And so I figured in that spirit, I would show you just a little clip of my weekend.

00:00:50.580 I was visiting a friend of mine in Arizona, and I think this 18 seconds sums up the entire weekend.

00:00:56.800 The Michael Knowles Show. Here you go.

00:00:59.060 And three, two.

00:01:09.280 Oh, wow.

00:01:14.260 There we are.

00:01:15.020 Well, hopefully the rest of the clips are able to play.

00:01:18.660 Maybe we'll send that out a little later.

00:01:20.160 But anyway, I got to shoot a lot of guns this weekend.

00:01:22.780 Arizona is a great state full of guns and freedom and America.

00:01:26.520 So now we spent a lot of time last week talking about right-wing violence.

00:01:31.080 We talked to a Charlottesville attendee.

00:01:33.760 We analyzed the alt-right and what that means with relation to conservatism and to the right-wing.

00:01:39.480 So today we have to talk about Antifa because over the weekend there was this very small free speech demonstration in Boston on Saturday.

00:01:48.340 By all accounts, there were not neo-Nazis there.

00:01:50.540 There were not white supremacists there.

00:01:52.100 One of the organizers is a man named Shiva, and not very many white nationalists are named Shiva.

00:01:57.640 This was a really small contained protest.

00:02:00.440 And then there were 40,000, by some counts, counter-protesters there.

00:02:04.320 Typically, Antifa, which is short for anti-fascist, but which is ironic because these lefties take on fascistic tactics, 0.67

00:02:12.620 were throwing urine at the police and rocks and basically being criminal thugs.

00:02:18.360 And I think this is the group that President Trump was alluding to last week in his much pilloried moral equivalence

00:02:25.100 between the Looney Tunes on the right and the Looney Tunes on the left.

00:02:28.060 He said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those who perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville.

00:02:37.320 Well, I don't know. I can't tell you. I'm sure Senator McCain must know what he's talking about.

00:02:42.200 But when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead.

00:02:47.240 Well, I'm saying...

00:02:47.840 No, define it for me. Come on. Let's go. 0.99

00:02:49.520 Senator McCain defined them as the same group...

00:02:52.240 Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging...

00:02:54.800 Excuse me. What about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right?

00:03:00.280 Do they have any semblance of guilt?

00:03:03.640 Now, I see why President Trump used this term, the alt-left.

00:03:08.040 It's because he speaks in very graphic, very visual terms, and he wants to draw a comparison

00:03:14.100 between these violent people on the right, the handful of violent people that we saw in Charlottesville,

00:03:18.780 and between these violent people that we see on the left at every single event.

00:03:23.360 At Berkeley, at a Milo Yiannopoulos speech, at an Ann Coulter speech.

00:03:26.820 I've been with Ben Shapiro at CSULA when Antifa people are beating people up and not letting attendees go into the auditorium.

00:03:34.880 So he wants to draw this comparison, and so he's using the same word, alt-right and alt-left.

00:03:39.500 But as a concept, it doesn't really make sense, because on the right, when we say there's the alt-right,

00:03:46.340 we're saying it's an alternative to mainstream conservatism.

00:03:49.800 Traditionally, there are a lot of groups that fall under the right.

00:03:52.400 There are libertarians, there's the religious right, there are the neoconservatives,

00:03:56.480 there are the traditionalist conservatives and the paleocons, 0.93

00:03:59.480 and I guess these 50 or 60 lunatic Nazis would identify themselves on the right as well.

00:04:05.120 But on the left, especially recently, it's basically monolithic. 0.89

00:04:10.780 So there used to be the progressives and the blue dogs, the more conservative Democrats,

00:04:16.840 the more conservative lefties.

00:04:18.380 Those blue dogs have been run out of town.

00:04:20.660 So we're just talking about different extremes of progressivism.

00:04:24.280 And so I don't know that it makes a lot of sense to call it an alternative.

00:04:27.600 It just seems to give the lefties, who are willing to use violence to suppress speech,

00:04:31.380 and out by saying, oh, that's not us, that's the alternative that President Trump is acknowledging.

00:04:36.160 And no less than Peter Beinart, the left-wing commentator, and the New York Times admit this

00:04:41.960 as much.

00:04:42.780 A New York Times reporter at Charlottesville said, quote,

00:04:45.460 the hard left seemed as hate-filled as the alt-right.

00:04:48.260 Notice she said the hard left, not the alt-left, not something different,

00:04:51.700 but just the logical extreme of the left seemed as hate-filled as the alt-right.

00:04:55.720 I saw club-wielding Antifa beating white nationalists being let out of the park.

00:04:59.880 Peter Beinart, broken clocks are right two times a day, said in a recent Atlantic piece

00:05:05.500 on left-wing violence, quote,

00:05:07.200 Antifa's violent tactics have elicited substantial support from the mainstream left.

00:05:12.620 In the Trump era, the violent leftist movement is growing like never before,

00:05:15.880 from Middlebury to Berkeley to Portland.

00:05:18.280 The use of violence to deny Trump supporters their political rights is on the rise,

00:05:22.060 especially among young people.

00:05:23.640 And among other left-wing organizations, this is being heralded,

00:05:28.140 and they're really being cheerleaders.

00:05:30.500 The leftist magazine, The Nation, argued,

00:05:32.800 to call Trump fascist is to realize that it is not well combated

00:05:38.180 or contained by standard liberal appeals to reason,

00:05:41.980 which is why the radical left offers, quote,

00:05:44.180 practical and serious responses in this political moment.

00:05:47.440 The Nation all but effectively endorsing violence at these rallies.

00:05:52.440 They said that the Antifa attack on white nationalist Richard Spencer was kinetic beauty.

00:05:59.640 Slate ran an approving article, which would play a little music as Richard Spencer was being

00:06:04.560 punched in the head.

00:06:05.560 And the Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau said, quote,

00:06:08.520 I don't care how many different songs you set Richard Spencer being punched to,

00:06:12.080 I'll laugh at every one.

00:06:14.120 But now nobody supports Nazis.

00:06:16.480 There are so few of these people.

00:06:18.000 Meanwhile, the left owns the culture.

00:06:21.220 CNN ran an article.

00:06:22.940 They've had to change the headline over the weekend.

00:06:25.280 They ran an article with the headline, quote,

00:06:28.080 Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement.

00:06:30.860 Activists seek peace through violence.

00:06:33.660 Well, who, I guess that excuses it, doesn't it?

00:06:35.900 They're just seeking peace through violence.

00:06:38.540 Absurd Orwellian newspeak.

00:06:41.360 But of course, the mainstream left is trying to cover for these guys.

00:06:44.700 Now, Antifa, you know, it refers to anti-fascist.

00:06:47.920 It comes from these European groups in the 20s and 30s that were reds that would fight fascists in the street. 0.79

00:06:54.560 It came to, back then, by the way, it organized around the principle of triple oppression.

00:07:00.040 So racism, classism, and sexism were the three organizing principles.

00:07:03.700 We see this same concept today on the mainstream left, which is called intersectionality.

00:07:09.220 The idea that different groups are being oppressed for different reasons,

00:07:12.440 and they all need to unite together to fight the man or to fight the establishment.

00:07:16.940 I came to the U.S. in the 90s with a bunch of kids who liked punk music, basically,

00:07:21.420 and they were anarchists or communists or what have you. 0.96

00:07:24.320 They wear masks because they're cowards.

00:07:26.420 They don't want their names and identities to be revealed.

00:07:29.520 And here is an Antifa group right today explaining to CNN what they do.

00:07:36.300 Antifa is any group that's willing to stand up against fascists by any means necessary.

00:07:43.340 By any means necessary, they say, can mean outing a white nationalist at their work or to their neighbors.

00:07:49.720 Or, as we've seen recently, violence, fires, property damage, hand-to-hand combat at protests across the country.

00:08:00.500 Explain to me the reasoning behind fighting.

00:08:03.540 You have to make it so unpalatable to be doing white supremacist organizing that they no longer want to do that.

00:08:09.280 And historically, that's what's worked.

00:08:11.240 You have to put your body in the way and you have to make it speak in the language that they understand.

00:08:16.340 And sometimes that is violence.

00:08:17.660 What about people who will say that it is their right to free speech, even if it's hate speech?

00:08:22.720 We do think that communities have the right to step in and say, no, this is not acceptable in our community.

00:08:28.460 We will not stand for this.

00:08:29.860 At least they're honest.

00:08:31.040 At least these guys are honest, because that is the point.

00:08:34.180 You know, free speech exists.

00:08:35.860 The First Amendment exists not to protect popular speech.

00:08:38.780 You wouldn't need an amendment.

00:08:41.280 You wouldn't need a right to protect popular speech.

00:08:43.620 It exists to protect unpopular speech and even odious, hateful speech.

00:08:48.980 These guys say absolutely not.

00:08:51.080 And, you know, this is what the mainstream left wants to do.

00:08:54.520 Now, these guys say we're only targeting Nazis. 0.90

00:08:57.060 We're only targeting white supremacists. 0.94

00:08:58.600 I think anybody who voted for Mitt Romney, they would probably consider a white supremacist.

00:09:03.440 They define these terms very broadly.

00:09:06.200 And they're not just attacking Richard Spencer.

00:09:08.280 They're attacking Ben Shapiro.

00:09:10.360 They're attacking Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:09:12.000 They're attacking Ann Coulter.

00:09:13.260 They're attacking people who give speeches at colleges.

00:09:15.800 They're attacking social scientists like Charles Murray, who was on the losing end of violence from these people when he gave a speech.

00:09:22.820 You know, when they're not being violent, they're trying to suppress speech through the standard mechanisms of government.

00:09:31.140 So the left has been campaigning for years to overturn the Citizens United decision because it grants too much political speech to people who might oppose them.

00:09:39.500 I mean, that decision actually centered around a movie that was critical of Hillary Clinton.

00:09:43.560 We see this in speech codes at Google last week, at Mozilla, the CEO of Mozilla being kicked out for holding a politically correct, incorrect point of view.

00:09:52.000 We see it at professors at universities being fired simply for defending free speech.

00:09:57.360 This happened at my own dear old Yale.

00:09:59.500 So whereas these Looney Tunes on the right are expressing a lot of ideas that are totally antithetical to mainstream conservatism, on the left, we're seeing the logical extremes of this thought.

00:10:10.380 Here's another clip, clip seven. 0.69

00:10:13.140 We need to start giving f***ing money. 1.00

00:10:16.000 White people, give your f***ing money, your f***ing house, your f***ing property. 1.00

00:10:22.360 We need it f***ing all. 1.00

00:10:24.660 You need to reparate black and indigenous people right now. 1.00

00:10:29.860 Pay the f*** up. 1.00

00:10:31.380 Pay the f*** up. 0.98

00:10:32.880 It ain't just your f***ing time. 0.99

00:10:35.620 It's your f***ing money. 0.98

00:10:36.860 And your f***ing life is now devoted to social change. 1.00

00:10:40.780 We need to start killing people. 1.00

00:10:42.760 First off, we need to start killing the White House. 1.00

00:10:45.900 The White House must die. 1.00

00:10:48.000 The White House, your f***ing White House, your f***ing president. 1.00

00:10:52.440 They must go. 1.00

00:10:54.580 F*** the White House. 1.00

00:10:56.260 F*** the White House. 1.00

00:10:57.700 We would say this is a total crazy extreme. 1.00

00:11:00.460 We don't hear anybody defending these people.

00:11:02.280 But we do.

00:11:03.820 Here is a perfectly well-dressed, articulate Dartmouth College professor defending the Antifa movement.

00:11:11.480 You seem to be a very small minority here who is defending the idea of violence, considering that somebody died in Charlottesville.

00:11:20.020 Why do you defend confronting in a violent way?

00:11:22.280 Well, first, I would contest the notion that I'm that small of a minority.

00:11:25.180 I think that a lot of people recognize that when pushed, self-defense is a legitimate response to White Supremacy and Neo-Nazi violence.

00:11:32.720 And, you know, we've tried ignoring Neo-Nazis in the past.

00:11:35.860 We've seen how that turned out in the 20s and 30s.

00:11:37.840 And the lesson of history is you need to take it with the utmost seriousness before it's too late.

00:11:42.820 We've seen the millions of deaths that have come from not taking it seriously enough.

00:11:46.300 And we can see that really the way that White Supremacy grows, the way that Neo-Nazism grows, is by becoming legitimate, becoming established, becoming everyday, family-friendly, wear khakis instead of hoods. 0.72

00:11:58.280 And the way to stop that is what people did in Boston, what people did in Charlottesville.

00:12:02.540 Pull the emergency brake and say, you can't make this normal.

00:12:07.040 Richard.

00:12:08.080 The key word here is violence.

00:12:10.120 Listen to how insidious this is, how he's redefining violence.

00:12:13.700 Now, Antifa didn't organize in response to Charlottesville.

00:12:17.440 They've been around a lot longer than Charlottesville.

00:12:20.380 But they're not reacting to physical violence.

00:12:23.000 They're reacting to a redefinition of speech as violence.

00:12:28.000 So they're saying not only does speech call people to violence or not only does speech create an environment that is more conducive to violence.

00:12:35.400 What they're saying is that speech is literally violence.

00:12:37.760 And we see this at all levels on universities, all the way up through corporate America and through the government.

00:12:44.360 There are such things as microaggressions.

00:12:46.940 The reason they define speech this way is because by calling it aggression, it justifies an aggressive and violent response.

00:12:54.760 We saw this even with Richard Spencer.

00:12:56.560 I am no fan of Richard Spencer.

00:12:58.840 I think what he does is destructive to the right and to the country.

00:13:02.700 But here's what they did to him when he was just speaking to a cameraman.

00:13:06.460 Here's our version of the neo-Nazi movement.

00:13:10.380 It's Pepe's become kind of a symbol. 0.98

00:13:15.480 Total coward comes up with his hood on with a mask over his face and sucker punches this guy while he's talking and giving an interview. 0.99

00:13:23.500 And it's so easy to say, well, I can't shed too many tears for some Nazi getting punched in the head. 0.99

00:13:28.400 But these guys malign everybody on the right as Nazis.

00:13:32.040 Here's them talking to a guy who has defended our country.

00:13:35.900 He's a military veteran.

00:13:37.500 Listen to how they speak to him.

00:13:38.560 What do you think that you are here, Jack?

00:13:47.620 What do you believe in?

00:13:48.360 Why do you think this is so important?

00:13:49.600 I feel like the English came back. 1.00

00:13:52.480 He said he was founded on liberty.

00:13:54.180 What are you doing?

00:13:54.880 What are you doing?

00:13:57.520 What do you think that this is going to be... 0.63

00:13:58.520 All Nazis come. 0.96

00:14:00.940 All Nazis come. 0.99

00:14:02.460 All Nazis come. 0.99

00:14:04.780 All Nazis come. 0.99

00:14:07.120 All Nazis come. 0.99

00:14:09.300 All Nazis come. 0.99

00:14:11.480 All Nazis come. 0.99

00:14:13.660 All Nazis come. 0.99

00:14:15.480 All Nazis come. 0.96

00:14:15.820 That's probably why this military veteran defended our country in Afghanistan. 0.98

00:14:22.380 is so that criminal, lefty, hippie-looking thugs could call him a Nazi and shout him down while 0.93

00:14:29.460 he's defending free speech. Absolutely unbelievable. And props to the editing team for getting every 0.99

00:14:34.520 single one of those. And amazing. I mean, I don't know how they got all of those obscenities out of

00:14:39.380 that because the way these people speak is every third word is the F word. I think it's the only

00:14:44.200 word they know because to write well is to think clearly and they can do neither. With that, we

00:14:48.900 have to bring on our panel. We're very lucky today. We have Antonia Okafor, Amanda Prestigiacomo and

00:14:54.720 Jacob Berry, even Jacob Berry. Antonia, President Trump was pilloried for appearing to draw an

00:15:00.800 equivalence between these two groups, the Nazis, the neo-Nazis, white nationalists and Antifa.

00:15:05.880 Is that defensible? Are they two sides of the same coin or is one side worse?

00:15:10.640 Yeah, well, I think personally, I do think that they are on the same playing field. Why? And

00:15:20.560 actually, I think Antifa is worse in the fact that legitimate sources like CNN are saying that it's

00:15:27.560 okay. You know, peace through violence. I mean, who's, who says that? CNN, apparently. Al Jazeera,

00:15:34.120 apparently. So I think it's really worse because it's, it's basically become a thing where just like the

00:15:40.380 Dartmouth professor, where he's saying it's khakis instead of hoodies. Well, same thing on Antifa side

00:15:45.620 where they basically are legitimizing this and making it a normal site for someone to, to harass

00:15:53.020 and harm someone because they think they're a racist or a sexist and misogynist. I mean, it's getting

00:15:58.720 really bad. So the fact of the matter is, I could be considered a racist, sexist, misogynist.

00:16:03.240 Well, you are. That's separate. That's separate with you, Antonia. But I see in general,

00:16:06.520 somebody like you, of course. Absolutely. So yeah, I think it is legitimate. And I don't think

00:16:13.640 what President Trump said was far off. I think people are just blowing it out of proportion.

00:16:19.180 People were hurt on both sides. If people want to see violence, look at UC Berkeley and what happened

00:16:24.140 there. I mean, and those weren't even white supremacists there who were hurt from Antifa. So

00:16:29.360 yeah. At Berkeley, we saw people setting things on fire, breaking windows, hurling water bottles

00:16:37.500 full of urine, throwing rocks, macing people. And you're right. Nobody, I don't know anybody who

00:16:43.840 was defending these Nazis in Charlottesville or these white supremacists, but we have every single

00:16:49.940 person on the left defending Antifa. We have the major institutions, CNN, the mainstream news outlets.

00:16:56.040 Unbelievable. Jacob, the media finally are beginning to cover Antifa. They've been silent about them

00:17:02.540 the whole time. They've been wreaking havoc on political rallies. Is it because of President

00:17:07.120 Trump? Is it because he called out the alt left in that speech? Or is it 4D chess on the part of the

00:17:12.840 president? Or would they have been covering this anyway? No, I think because you saw whenever they

00:17:18.340 were assaulting speakers at colleges, college campuses at Berkeley and so on, radio silence from

00:17:26.080 the mainstream media. I think it is- I'm sorry, I can't hear Jacob. It is because of Trump calling

00:17:33.300 out the alt left specifically. I think that the mainstream media would not have covered this at all

00:17:41.060 had Trump said nothing. Because even Chris Cuomo, he sent out that tweet comparing Antifa to the

00:17:46.800 the veterans who stormed Normandy. What was he thinking? Why would you even suggest that?

00:17:52.040 There is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Absolutely. I do not think the veterans who

00:18:01.160 stormed Normandy, I don't think the men who took the cliffs looked like that sorry John Lennon

00:18:06.220 lookalike. Yeah. And notice our veterans, they don't wear masks. They proudly show who they are.

00:18:12.200 These Antifa cowards, they wear hoods and handkerchiefs to cover up their faces. 0.98

00:18:17.300 Absolutely. Now, Amanda, we all agree we've got to oppose Antifa. Can we oppose these guys, 0.96

00:18:23.380 these criminals, without making common cause with Nazis? Is there any way to do it without 0.52

00:18:28.040 aligning ourselves with these other people that we also want to have nothing to do with? 0.86

00:18:32.700 Yeah, that's such a ridiculous line from the left. They're saying that if you call it Antifa,

00:18:37.060 you're condoning neo-Nazis, which is absurd. The media and Democrats are basically off the hook

00:18:45.280 when it comes to Antifa, which is really disturbing. They're not being asked to condemn them, just like

00:18:50.040 every Republican, anyone even semi-associated with the right is being asked to condemn them every

00:18:56.300 five seconds over and over and over repeatedly. That's why Antifa is such a big threat, because

00:19:02.240 nobody's being asked to condemn them. And they're kind of condoning this behavior, like those CNN

00:19:07.120 pieces, which is in other major outlets, where they're basically condoning the violence.

00:19:12.080 And like you said before, this has been happening for a long time. This is happening on college

00:19:15.940 campuses. And they've said nothing until President Trump called them by name. I think he should have

00:19:20.700 called them by name, the first statement. But still, because he called them by name, finally,

00:19:25.300 the media are being forced to cover them. And the coverage is honestly really weak.

00:19:28.860 Why don't we tell CNN to disavow? You know, that's always, they always say in politics,

00:19:33.880 if you're defending, you're losing. You have to always be on offense. And conservatives,

00:19:38.380 Republicans all the time have to disavow these miniature, vanishingly small minorities of groups 0.98

00:19:45.000 who say hateful things that they've never met before. Why doesn't the New York Times have to

00:19:49.820 disavow Antifa? Or a Democratic politician, just one, can they disavow them? Honestly, I haven't seen

00:19:57.520 hardly anyone disavow this on the left. But every Republican has come out against these 20.

00:20:03.600 By the way, the neo-Nazis, they had that that was a national rally in Charlottesville. They had 200

00:20:10.300 people, 200 to 300 people. There's no, there's like 10 of these guys. Antifa's at every college

00:20:15.820 campus. They're everywhere. And yet, you know, we can just condone that and not, you know,

00:20:20.220 be asked to condemn them. It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:20:21.740 But the left love that they just find one or two little Nazis, one incident. And all of a sudden, 0.96

00:20:27.760 all of the right is associated with them. Meanwhile, these, these awful events at colleges

00:20:33.100 and elsewhere have been going on for two years and the media absolutely mum, but that's what they are, 0.99

00:20:38.580 that darn mainstream media. Okay. We have to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube. Now, what we would 0.99

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00:21:16.500 We'll be right back. Okay. We've got to get into other news, but still speaking of violence,

00:21:32.580 inventor Elon Musk is leading a group of 116 specialists from 26 countries to call for a

00:21:39.040 global ban on killer robots. So, uh, Amanda, the sun has disappeared from the sky. Nazis and 0.60

00:21:46.200 communists are fighting in the streets. Killer robots are on the horizon. Is the end nigh?

00:21:53.160 Yeah, there's, there's so much hysteria. Um, I don't know a ton about these killer robots and

00:21:58.820 that's kind of the thing. I don't think anybody knows a ton about this. It's kind of like reminiscent

00:22:02.780 of global warming a little bit, like the hysteria around it. So then they can kind of do whatever

00:22:07.780 they want. Um, so, so basically I just hate everything about this story. I hate technology.

00:22:12.520 I hate that there are things we don't really know about and that we're just creating things

00:22:15.640 without thinking of repercussions. And then I also hate that there's this like globalist,

00:22:19.700 um, agenda to, to, to, you know, like some big global network to stop this, to ban these things.

00:22:26.460 Um, what does that mean? What are the implications of that? Are we going to have eventually military

00:22:30.760 reaction if somebody breaks this ban? I mean, what, there's a lot going into this and people

00:22:35.040 don't know a lot about it. So it's, it's just a really, I don't know. I don't like anything about

00:22:39.900 it. Bah humbug, the Amanda Presta Giacomo take. Jacob, this, you know, this reminds me of nuclear

00:22:44.880 proliferation. We've had people predicting since the forties that it's inevitable that every country

00:22:50.760 is going to get a nuke. You can't keep a lid on this technology. It seems like we're trying to do

00:22:54.980 the same thing. And by the way, we've done a pretty good job with nuclear non-proliferation.

00:23:00.760 Given how long it's been since the technology was invented, are these killer robots inevitable,

00:23:05.560 or can we stop the technology before the terminator begins? Well, the irony is a lot of

00:23:11.300 these tech moguls, they would be the guys who would actually create these killer robots. So I think that

00:23:17.740 every, every year, like at least once or twice a year, one of these tech CEOs comes out and they say

00:23:24.120 it, I honestly think it's a distraction. They, they just come out when, when everything's high

00:23:29.000 pressure when, uh, when the left is going crazy or, or whatever they come out. Cause most of them

00:23:34.120 are on the left. They come out and they complain about a robot apocalypse. And then all of a sudden

00:23:38.240 the headlines are Elon Musk warns of robot apocalypse. So you think it's a distraction?

00:23:43.680 I totally think it's a distraction. Wow. That I love the conspiracies coming out of Jacob

00:23:50.000 Berry. Could be though. I wouldn't put it past them. Antonia, you are the weapons expert on the panel

00:23:55.020 today. Now is it safer for us to try to get rid of these weapons or have a global ban or would it be

00:24:01.240 safer to have responsible actors all have them so that we don't use them against each other in a

00:24:06.360 phrase? Should we say more killer robots, less crime? Are you trying to get me to say that,

00:24:15.020 uh, weapon free zones are a good thing? I just feel like the gun activists, uh, will never be okay

00:24:24.260 with that. Um, you know what, it's just a reality of it. And, uh, I mean, the same thing, like reality

00:24:29.900 that gun owners are going to keep their guns. Americans are going to keep their guns. There's

00:24:33.520 going to be weapons and guns. Um, so at least be, um, on the right side of it and make sure that the

00:24:39.460 ones who shouldn't be having weapons, um, don't. So I think it kind of goes with everything. I kind

00:24:46.700 of think also it's funny, you know, me being a gun rights activist with Antifa, bringing it back,

00:24:50.740 of course, um, that these same people are the people who probably would be against me having a

00:24:56.020 firearm or any weapon of any kind, but it's okay for them or being able to do it, um, because peace

00:25:01.300 through violence is okay. As long as it's not. And they're going to defend you. And what do you

00:25:05.700 don't need to be able to defend yourself? They've got you covered. Just let them handle it. What

00:25:10.560 could possibly go wrong? Absolutely. That was exactly what, so I wrote a New York times piece

00:25:16.880 on that. And that is what almost every person of the New York times audience would say. It was like,

00:25:23.560 you don't even need a gun. Why do you even? And then they're like, you know what? Antifa is great.

00:25:27.800 Antifa is so great. Um, but you really don't need a gun on college campuses. Antifa is there,

00:25:33.620 but you really, uh, yeah, not, not a hint of cognitive dissonance at all.

00:25:39.920 Absolutely not. We will empower you by allowing you to empower us. I don't know how they can

00:25:44.140 resolve that. But speaking of college campuses, a group of Liberty University alumni are symbolically

00:25:51.100 giving back their diplomas because they're upset that the university president, Jerry Falwell Jr.

00:25:56.200 supports president Trump. Now, Antonia, you can't actually give back a degree. So when these kids

00:26:02.580 apply for jobs, they'll still have their BA and they'll have everything. Is there any substance to

00:26:09.140 this grandstanding? Is there anything at all that they're doing? Or is it just like on Facebook,

00:26:13.500 they're just a virtue signaling?

00:26:17.340 Oh, well, when I heard that, I, first of all, I was like, who are these Liberty University

00:26:21.660 graduates? Do they know they went to Liberty University? I mean, his nomination, his, his

00:26:28.180 nomination announcement. I mean, it was for a reason. Uh, let's just say that, uh, it's kind

00:26:33.100 of like with Baylor university when, you know, atheists go to Baylor and I've seen them. Um, 0.81

00:26:37.920 and I'm just like, you really can't complain. I mean, yeah. Um, if you hate Baptist, you know,

00:26:45.800 Baptist, I don't think you should be going there. Same with Liberty. If you hate anything on the

00:26:50.580 conservative side, on the right side, and you think your president, your school president is

00:26:55.020 not going to be okay with the president who's a Republican. Um, I mean, the same thing that you

00:26:59.960 said, Michael, yes. What a great gesture that you gave back your diploma. Um, but then when you go

00:27:05.980 and like interview for inter, uh, Antifa Boston, yeah, you can tell them that you're, you're okay with

00:27:12.260 that. Um, but then you still have your BA on the side just in case, you know, you decide that's

00:27:16.420 not going to work out. You just log into monster.com. You type in Antifa Boston. I hope they're hiring.

00:27:21.420 That's what I got here, Michael. It's a, it's a tough job market, you know? Yeah. Amanda,

00:27:26.620 on Antonia's point, why did these kids go to Liberty? Why did they apply? How did they get in?

00:27:32.480 This is supposed to be all Christian, all conservative. Is there just now no hope for 0.97

00:27:37.520 colleges at all? Or is there something in the college experience right now that

00:27:42.240 just forces people into becoming leftist drones? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's the latter.

00:27:49.760 I mean, this is, this is so funny. I mean, they're, they're upset that colleges are too

00:27:54.560 conservative. Like it's just, it's just a crazy thought, just generally speaking that, you know,

00:28:01.080 the problem on college is that it's too conservative. Um, I know Liberty University is obviously Christian 0.95

00:28:06.160 and conservative, so they knew that going in. Um, but it's just, it's just all silly. It's just 0.96

00:28:12.020 peak virtue signaling. They're just, they're handing back a piece of paper. That's literally

00:28:16.560 what they're doing. They're not handing back their degree. They're not doing anything. Uh,

00:28:20.920 this is like the equivalent of, you know, those 10 people that CNN covered because it was so big

00:28:25.800 that spelled out resistance on the beach with sticks. Like this doesn't do anything. I don't,

00:28:31.080 I don't understand what this does. I mean,

00:28:34.800 and there are no stakes to it there. It's one thing to give back something of value to lose

00:28:41.260 something of value for your beliefs. These guys, they're not out there protesting like the civil

00:28:45.500 rights movement or other civil rights movements with their, their faces wide in the open repercussions

00:28:50.860 readily available, being arrested for civil disobedience. These guys are wearing masks.

00:28:55.800 They're covering their faces. They're running away. Why are, why are they all such cowards?

00:29:00.520 My, I think they just weren't hit as children. Honestly, they just needed a beating when they 0.99

00:29:09.560 were younger. Uh, these kids never got that. You can tell just how they act. 0.92

00:29:13.580 That's the Fleck is talk school of parenting where you get smacked with the wooden spoon.

00:29:18.060 Yeah. Yeah. That's how I was, that's how I was raised. When I hear him talk, I feel like we were

00:29:21.760 raised in the same household. Um, no, I mean, it's, it's, they're just spoiled little brats who don't, 0.99

00:29:27.000 there's nothing on the line. I mean, like you said, they cover their face. They send back a piece

00:29:30.860 of paper that has nothing connected to their actual degree. I mean, it's, it's just all virtue

00:29:36.020 signaling. And by the way, in Boston, there, there were no neo-Nazis. So they were fighting,

00:29:42.380 who are they fighting? Right. They're fighting a phantom. They were fighting against free speech.

00:29:46.740 That's right. Well, they're, they're fighting this phantom that they want to be able to paint over all of

00:29:51.520 the right. But really, as you said, a national protest in Charlottesville organized for months

00:29:57.440 attracts, what, a couple hundred of these idiots. Jacob, that was, that was clearly the incident. 1.00

00:30:02.940 Obviously a lot of these responses have come out of president Trump's response to Charlottesville.

00:30:08.680 He's had to dissolve a couple of his advisory panels. And what is it about that response

00:30:15.300 to Charlottesville that has elicited what is without a doubt, the strongest reaction of his

00:30:21.040 presidency? I honestly think it was his tone. I mean, he came out, uh, we're going to grab the

00:30:26.640 bull by the horns. Right. And I honestly think the mainstream media doesn't know what to do about

00:30:31.240 this. I mean, they're already against him. They think of him as a, as a traitor of the left.

00:30:35.120 And so they're already out against him and they, and they are just going crazy that he is just

00:30:40.720 saying, look, this is how it is. This is what I believe whether he is correct or not. That's,

00:30:45.320 that doesn't matter. They are going to just, they're just going to keep slamming him and they're just

00:30:50.220 going to keep reacting and they're going to, it's just putting pressure on these advisory boards.

00:30:55.240 So they saw an opening it with, with that, you know, scare, the scariest word in the language,

00:31:00.780 Nazi, they saw an opening and they pounced on it. It's always the boogeyman. They always find some 0.87

00:31:05.420 sort of boogeyman. And this time it's, it's Nazis. And you know, it's not entirely a boogeyman. 0.93

00:31:10.440 There were a couple hundred people down there. One of them did kill a woman and it hit some others.

00:31:15.200 Well, I mean, in the context of how the mainstream media is reporting.

00:31:18.180 Of course. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, we need some good news. It's all been killer robots and

00:31:23.340 Antifa and Nazis. We need some good news and we got it. President Trump has disbanded a federal

00:31:29.320 global warming advisory board. Now, Amanda, is this evidence that president Trump might stay the course

00:31:35.720 even as Steve Bannon leaves the white house? A lot of the Republicans who were there in the beginning

00:31:41.020 have left the white house. Is this hopefully a sign of hope for the future?

00:31:47.820 Yeah, I think it's a great sign. I mean, Trump has governed pretty conservatively. I mean, I know he says

00:31:53.680 things that the media pounce on, but he's not, I mean, he's pretty mainstream conservative and then 0.97

00:31:58.720 he'll take things a step even further right than most presidents like this and disband this dumb climate

00:32:04.060 advisory board that would implement some really harmful, really harmful agenda policy. So yeah, 0.75

00:32:09.960 I think it's a great step. And I love this kind of stuff from Trump. This will keep me on team Trump,

00:32:16.300 even if the media go hysterical over things he says. And then one other point about what Jacob was saying

00:32:22.340 last time, how the media have just overreacted to President Trump's statement. If you looked at,

00:32:27.780 if you look at Mitt Romney, what he said about Antifa, he basically said that they were fine. Like

00:32:33.340 this was a fine group. And that just, again, shows that the media is not accustomed to a Republican

00:32:38.520 actually speaking out and speaking truth and saying things that are unpopular, but true.

00:32:42.860 That's right. They love Republicans who lose. They're always, in retrospect, they're always very,

00:32:48.060 oh, they were great men, those Republicans who in no way threaten my political agenda. Now,

00:32:52.860 that is, that is the worry about this political agenda is that President Trump is going to make

00:32:58.580 some Arnold Schwarzenegger pivot to the left. That's basically what Steve Bannon is saying is

00:33:04.180 going to happen now. Jacob, or rather, Antonio, I'd like to hear from you first on this. What do you

00:33:09.180 think? Is he about to pivot to the left? Is, or is Steve Bannon just upset that he left the White House?

00:33:14.040 Oh, yeah, I don't. To be honest, though, I've been, you know, as a conservative, I just don't

00:33:21.520 think, I mean, everybody who's on this, who's not conservative, who's not going to true conservative,

00:33:27.080 really, especially since they're mostly populist, they already have a lot of authoritarian in them.

00:33:32.320 So I kind of, I could disagree anyways, with a lot of his policies and what he'd implement. So I

00:33:37.260 probably think he's already going to the left anyway. So I'm not. It was always going to happen. You

00:33:41.000 thought it was basically built into his campaign. Yeah, it's already happening. That's the type of

00:33:48.180 thing. But I mean, like, again, the conservatives didn't win the White House. Populists did. So

00:33:53.640 we get the morsels that, you know, the crumbs that we can get. And fair enough. You say, well,

00:33:59.840 it isn't Hillary. We get a little deregulation. At least we don't get new regulation. Take what we can

00:34:04.780 get, but don't have, don't put our faith in princes. Jacob, why would President Trump choose to do this

00:34:10.500 now? There's all this craziness going on. Did President Trump disband this panel, this advisory

00:34:16.760 board, because of the news cycle, because the news cycle has been so against him? Or is he just

00:34:22.540 holding course and doing it to poke a finger in the media's eye? I could see either one of those being

00:34:27.480 true. I actually think it's a little bit of both. President Trump, when he backed out of the Paris

00:34:32.940 Climate Accords, he destroyed their religion. Scientism and environmentalism has replaced faith for

00:34:39.200 the left. And I honestly think that he was planning to do this and he thought, hey, this is a perfect

00:34:43.480 time. I'm getting all this bad publicity because of my, my speech for what happened with Charlottesville.

00:34:48.040 So I'm going to do this right now. And it'll, it'll change the headlines away and it'll, I'll just be

00:34:53.100 able to go back because really climate change there it's indefensible. I mean, there's some points

00:34:58.340 that are accurate about it or whatever. I agree. I think it is indefensible that Al Gore would choose

00:35:02.540 to heat up this earth. It's really, really reckless of him to do that. Yes. With all that Al Jazeera money.

00:35:07.460 Yeah. So I do see that. It's not that president Trump is trying to change the headline to get a

00:35:13.440 decent headline. He's just trying to get the media mad about something else.

00:35:17.840 And that's what he's good at. He, they, he play, he, it's like the Pied Piper. He plays it and they

00:35:23.060 follow right along. 4D chess endorsed by Jacob Airy. Okay. Panel, it's been very nice to have you.

00:35:29.380 Antonio Okafor, Amanda Presto Giacomo and Jacob Airy. Now it is time. I have to put on my smart glasses

00:35:34.680 because it's time for the final thought. President Trump's drawing of moral equivalence

00:35:43.880 between neo-Nazis and Antifa thugs seemed tone deaf at the time because it miscalculated the

00:35:49.380 enormity of the offenses. Antifa maced people, hurled rocks at them, beat protesters. Sure.

00:35:55.260 But a neo-Nazi killed a woman with his car. Of course, both sides are odious. Yet while Republicans

00:36:00.780 and conservatives at all levels, from the grassroots to the White House, swiftly condemned the criminals

00:36:06.160 and kooks on their side, Democrats have kept virtually mum on Antifa. Because while neo-Nazism 0.53

00:36:12.240 and white nationalism remain a fringe element on the right, a vanishingly small alternative to

00:36:17.780 everybody else, leftist violence to suppress speech is widespread and even encouraged by cheerleaders not

00:36:24.640 on some fringe alt-left, but right square in the mainstream. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the

00:36:29.760 Michael Knowles Show. Come back tomorrow. We'll do it all again.

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 21, 2017

Ep. 13 - ‘Peace Through Violence’： Antifa And The ‘Alt-Left’

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