Ep. 13 - ‘Peace Through Violence’： Antifa And The ‘Alt-Left’
Summary
On Saturday, violent left-wing Antifa thugs assaulted police and right-wingers in Boston as 40,000 counterprotesters surrounded 50 or so free speech demonstrators. We ll discuss where the real threat to liberty lies. Plus, Antonia Okafor, Amanda Prestigiacomo, and Jacob Airey join the panel of deplorables to talk killer robots, anti-Trump stunts on campus, and President Trump's disbanding of his global warming advisory panel.
Transcript
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On Saturday, violent left-wing Antifa thugs assaulted police and right-wingers in Boston
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as 40,000 protesters surrounded 50 or so free speech demonstrators.
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We'll discuss where the real threat to liberty lies.
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Plus, Antonia Okafor, Amanda Prestigiacomo, and Jacob Airey joined the panel of deplorables
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to talk killer robots, anti-Trump stunts on campus,
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and President Trump's disbanding of a global warming advisory panel, MAGA MAGA MAGA.
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I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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We've got Antonia Okafor, sharpshooter extraordinaire.
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And so I figured in that spirit, I would show you just a little clip of my weekend.
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I was visiting a friend of mine in Arizona, and I think this 18 seconds sums up the entire weekend.
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Well, hopefully the rest of the clips are able to play.
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But anyway, I got to shoot a lot of guns this weekend.
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Arizona is a great state full of guns and freedom and America.
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So now we spent a lot of time last week talking about right-wing violence.
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We analyzed the alt-right and what that means with relation to conservatism and to the right-wing.
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So today we have to talk about Antifa because over the weekend there was this very small free speech demonstration in Boston on Saturday.
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By all accounts, there were not neo-Nazis there.
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One of the organizers is a man named Shiva, and not very many white nationalists are named Shiva.
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And then there were 40,000, by some counts, counter-protesters there.
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Typically, Antifa, which is short for anti-fascist, but which is ironic because these lefties take on fascistic tactics,
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were throwing urine at the police and rocks and basically being criminal thugs.
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And I think this is the group that President Trump was alluding to last week in his much pilloried moral equivalence
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between the Looney Tunes on the right and the Looney Tunes on the left.
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He said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those who perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville.
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Well, I don't know. I can't tell you. I'm sure Senator McCain must know what he's talking about.
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But when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead.
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Senator McCain defined them as the same group...
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Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging...
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Excuse me. What about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right?
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Now, I see why President Trump used this term, the alt-left.
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It's because he speaks in very graphic, very visual terms, and he wants to draw a comparison
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between these violent people on the right, the handful of violent people that we saw in Charlottesville,
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and between these violent people that we see on the left at every single event.
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At Berkeley, at a Milo Yiannopoulos speech, at an Ann Coulter speech.
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I've been with Ben Shapiro at CSULA when Antifa people are beating people up and not letting attendees go into the auditorium.
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So he wants to draw this comparison, and so he's using the same word, alt-right and alt-left.
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But as a concept, it doesn't really make sense, because on the right, when we say there's the alt-right,
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we're saying it's an alternative to mainstream conservatism.
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Traditionally, there are a lot of groups that fall under the right.
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There are libertarians, there's the religious right, there are the neoconservatives,
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there are the traditionalist conservatives and the paleocons,
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and I guess these 50 or 60 lunatic Nazis would identify themselves on the right as well.
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But on the left, especially recently, it's basically monolithic.
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So there used to be the progressives and the blue dogs, the more conservative Democrats,
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So we're just talking about different extremes of progressivism.
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And so I don't know that it makes a lot of sense to call it an alternative.
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It just seems to give the lefties, who are willing to use violence to suppress speech,
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and out by saying, oh, that's not us, that's the alternative that President Trump is acknowledging.
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And no less than Peter Beinart, the left-wing commentator, and the New York Times admit this
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A New York Times reporter at Charlottesville said, quote,
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the hard left seemed as hate-filled as the alt-right.
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Notice she said the hard left, not the alt-left, not something different,
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but just the logical extreme of the left seemed as hate-filled as the alt-right.
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I saw club-wielding Antifa beating white nationalists being let out of the park.
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Peter Beinart, broken clocks are right two times a day, said in a recent Atlantic piece
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Antifa's violent tactics have elicited substantial support from the mainstream left.
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In the Trump era, the violent leftist movement is growing like never before,
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The use of violence to deny Trump supporters their political rights is on the rise,
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And among other left-wing organizations, this is being heralded,
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to call Trump fascist is to realize that it is not well combated
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or contained by standard liberal appeals to reason,
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practical and serious responses in this political moment.
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The Nation all but effectively endorsing violence at these rallies.
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They said that the Antifa attack on white nationalist Richard Spencer was kinetic beauty.
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Slate ran an approving article, which would play a little music as Richard Spencer was being
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And the Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau said, quote,
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I don't care how many different songs you set Richard Spencer being punched to,
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They've had to change the headline over the weekend.
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Well, who, I guess that excuses it, doesn't it?
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But of course, the mainstream left is trying to cover for these guys.
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Now, Antifa, you know, it refers to anti-fascist.
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It comes from these European groups in the 20s and 30s that were reds that would fight fascists in the street.
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It came to, back then, by the way, it organized around the principle of triple oppression.
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So racism, classism, and sexism were the three organizing principles.
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We see this same concept today on the mainstream left, which is called intersectionality.
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The idea that different groups are being oppressed for different reasons,
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and they all need to unite together to fight the man or to fight the establishment.
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I came to the U.S. in the 90s with a bunch of kids who liked punk music, basically,
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and they were anarchists or communists or what have you.
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They don't want their names and identities to be revealed.
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And here is an Antifa group right today explaining to CNN what they do.
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Antifa is any group that's willing to stand up against fascists by any means necessary.
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By any means necessary, they say, can mean outing a white nationalist at their work or to their neighbors.
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Or, as we've seen recently, violence, fires, property damage, hand-to-hand combat at protests across the country.
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You have to make it so unpalatable to be doing white supremacist organizing that they no longer want to do that.
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You have to put your body in the way and you have to make it speak in the language that they understand.
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What about people who will say that it is their right to free speech, even if it's hate speech?
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We do think that communities have the right to step in and say, no, this is not acceptable in our community.
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At least these guys are honest, because that is the point.
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The First Amendment exists not to protect popular speech.
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You wouldn't need a right to protect popular speech.
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It exists to protect unpopular speech and even odious, hateful speech.
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And, you know, this is what the mainstream left wants to do.
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Now, these guys say we're only targeting Nazis.
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I think anybody who voted for Mitt Romney, they would probably consider a white supremacist.
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And they're not just attacking Richard Spencer.
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They're attacking people who give speeches at colleges.
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They're attacking social scientists like Charles Murray, who was on the losing end of violence from these people when he gave a speech.
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You know, when they're not being violent, they're trying to suppress speech through the standard mechanisms of government.
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So the left has been campaigning for years to overturn the Citizens United decision because it grants too much political speech to people who might oppose them.
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I mean, that decision actually centered around a movie that was critical of Hillary Clinton.
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We see this in speech codes at Google last week, at Mozilla, the CEO of Mozilla being kicked out for holding a politically correct, incorrect point of view.
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We see it at professors at universities being fired simply for defending free speech.
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So whereas these Looney Tunes on the right are expressing a lot of ideas that are totally antithetical to mainstream conservatism, on the left, we're seeing the logical extremes of this thought.
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White people, give your f***ing money, your f***ing house, your f***ing property.
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You need to reparate black and indigenous people right now.
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And your f***ing life is now devoted to social change.
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First off, we need to start killing the White House.
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The White House, your f***ing White House, your f***ing president.
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Here is a perfectly well-dressed, articulate Dartmouth College professor defending the Antifa movement.
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You seem to be a very small minority here who is defending the idea of violence, considering that somebody died in Charlottesville.
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Why do you defend confronting in a violent way?
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Well, first, I would contest the notion that I'm that small of a minority.
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I think that a lot of people recognize that when pushed, self-defense is a legitimate response to White Supremacy and Neo-Nazi violence.
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And, you know, we've tried ignoring Neo-Nazis in the past.
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We've seen how that turned out in the 20s and 30s.
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And the lesson of history is you need to take it with the utmost seriousness before it's too late.
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We've seen the millions of deaths that have come from not taking it seriously enough.
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And we can see that really the way that White Supremacy grows, the way that Neo-Nazism grows, is by becoming legitimate, becoming established, becoming everyday, family-friendly, wear khakis instead of hoods.
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And the way to stop that is what people did in Boston, what people did in Charlottesville.
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Pull the emergency brake and say, you can't make this normal.
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Listen to how insidious this is, how he's redefining violence.
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Now, Antifa didn't organize in response to Charlottesville.
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They've been around a lot longer than Charlottesville.
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They're reacting to a redefinition of speech as violence.
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So they're saying not only does speech call people to violence or not only does speech create an environment that is more conducive to violence.
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What they're saying is that speech is literally violence.
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And we see this at all levels on universities, all the way up through corporate America and through the government.
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The reason they define speech this way is because by calling it aggression, it justifies an aggressive and violent response.
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I think what he does is destructive to the right and to the country.
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But here's what they did to him when he was just speaking to a cameraman.
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Total coward comes up with his hood on with a mask over his face and sucker punches this guy while he's talking and giving an interview.
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And it's so easy to say, well, I can't shed too many tears for some Nazi getting punched in the head.
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But these guys malign everybody on the right as Nazis.
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Here's them talking to a guy who has defended our country.
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That's probably why this military veteran defended our country in Afghanistan.
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is so that criminal, lefty, hippie-looking thugs could call him a Nazi and shout him down while
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he's defending free speech. Absolutely unbelievable. And props to the editing team for getting every
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single one of those. And amazing. I mean, I don't know how they got all of those obscenities out of
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that because the way these people speak is every third word is the F word. I think it's the only
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word they know because to write well is to think clearly and they can do neither. With that, we
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have to bring on our panel. We're very lucky today. We have Antonia Okafor, Amanda Prestigiacomo and
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Jacob Berry, even Jacob Berry. Antonia, President Trump was pilloried for appearing to draw an
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equivalence between these two groups, the Nazis, the neo-Nazis, white nationalists and Antifa.
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Is that defensible? Are they two sides of the same coin or is one side worse?
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Yeah, well, I think personally, I do think that they are on the same playing field. Why? And
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actually, I think Antifa is worse in the fact that legitimate sources like CNN are saying that it's
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okay. You know, peace through violence. I mean, who's, who says that? CNN, apparently. Al Jazeera,
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apparently. So I think it's really worse because it's, it's basically become a thing where just like the
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Dartmouth professor, where he's saying it's khakis instead of hoodies. Well, same thing on Antifa side
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where they basically are legitimizing this and making it a normal site for someone to, to harass
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and harm someone because they think they're a racist or a sexist and misogynist. I mean, it's getting
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really bad. So the fact of the matter is, I could be considered a racist, sexist, misogynist.
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Well, you are. That's separate. That's separate with you, Antonia. But I see in general,
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somebody like you, of course. Absolutely. So yeah, I think it is legitimate. And I don't think
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what President Trump said was far off. I think people are just blowing it out of proportion.
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People were hurt on both sides. If people want to see violence, look at UC Berkeley and what happened
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there. I mean, and those weren't even white supremacists there who were hurt from Antifa. So
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yeah. At Berkeley, we saw people setting things on fire, breaking windows, hurling water bottles
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full of urine, throwing rocks, macing people. And you're right. Nobody, I don't know anybody who
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was defending these Nazis in Charlottesville or these white supremacists, but we have every single
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person on the left defending Antifa. We have the major institutions, CNN, the mainstream news outlets.
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Unbelievable. Jacob, the media finally are beginning to cover Antifa. They've been silent about them
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the whole time. They've been wreaking havoc on political rallies. Is it because of President
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Trump? Is it because he called out the alt left in that speech? Or is it 4D chess on the part of the
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president? Or would they have been covering this anyway? No, I think because you saw whenever they
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were assaulting speakers at colleges, college campuses at Berkeley and so on, radio silence from
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the mainstream media. I think it is- I'm sorry, I can't hear Jacob. It is because of Trump calling
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out the alt left specifically. I think that the mainstream media would not have covered this at all
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had Trump said nothing. Because even Chris Cuomo, he sent out that tweet comparing Antifa to the
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the veterans who stormed Normandy. What was he thinking? Why would you even suggest that?
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There is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Absolutely. I do not think the veterans who
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stormed Normandy, I don't think the men who took the cliffs looked like that sorry John Lennon
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lookalike. Yeah. And notice our veterans, they don't wear masks. They proudly show who they are.
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These Antifa cowards, they wear hoods and handkerchiefs to cover up their faces.
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Absolutely. Now, Amanda, we all agree we've got to oppose Antifa. Can we oppose these guys,
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these criminals, without making common cause with Nazis? Is there any way to do it without
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aligning ourselves with these other people that we also want to have nothing to do with?
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Yeah, that's such a ridiculous line from the left. They're saying that if you call it Antifa,
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you're condoning neo-Nazis, which is absurd. The media and Democrats are basically off the hook
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when it comes to Antifa, which is really disturbing. They're not being asked to condemn them, just like
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every Republican, anyone even semi-associated with the right is being asked to condemn them every
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five seconds over and over and over repeatedly. That's why Antifa is such a big threat, because
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nobody's being asked to condemn them. And they're kind of condoning this behavior, like those CNN
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pieces, which is in other major outlets, where they're basically condoning the violence.
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And like you said before, this has been happening for a long time. This is happening on college
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campuses. And they've said nothing until President Trump called them by name. I think he should have
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called them by name, the first statement. But still, because he called them by name, finally,
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the media are being forced to cover them. And the coverage is honestly really weak.
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Why don't we tell CNN to disavow? You know, that's always, they always say in politics,
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if you're defending, you're losing. You have to always be on offense. And conservatives,
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Republicans all the time have to disavow these miniature, vanishingly small minorities of groups
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who say hateful things that they've never met before. Why doesn't the New York Times have to
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disavow Antifa? Or a Democratic politician, just one, can they disavow them? Honestly, I haven't seen
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hardly anyone disavow this on the left. But every Republican has come out against these 20.
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By the way, the neo-Nazis, they had that that was a national rally in Charlottesville. They had 200
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people, 200 to 300 people. There's no, there's like 10 of these guys. Antifa's at every college
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campus. They're everywhere. And yet, you know, we can just condone that and not, you know,
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But the left love that they just find one or two little Nazis, one incident. And all of a sudden,
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all of the right is associated with them. Meanwhile, these, these awful events at colleges
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and elsewhere have been going on for two years and the media absolutely mum, but that's what they are,
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We'll be right back. Okay. We've got to get into other news, but still speaking of violence,
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inventor Elon Musk is leading a group of 116 specialists from 26 countries to call for a
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global ban on killer robots. So, uh, Amanda, the sun has disappeared from the sky. Nazis and
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communists are fighting in the streets. Killer robots are on the horizon. Is the end nigh?
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Yeah, there's, there's so much hysteria. Um, I don't know a ton about these killer robots and
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that's kind of the thing. I don't think anybody knows a ton about this. It's kind of like reminiscent
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of global warming a little bit, like the hysteria around it. So then they can kind of do whatever
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they want. Um, so, so basically I just hate everything about this story. I hate technology.
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I hate that there are things we don't really know about and that we're just creating things
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without thinking of repercussions. And then I also hate that there's this like globalist,
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um, agenda to, to, to, you know, like some big global network to stop this, to ban these things.
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Um, what does that mean? What are the implications of that? Are we going to have eventually military
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reaction if somebody breaks this ban? I mean, what, there's a lot going into this and people
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don't know a lot about it. So it's, it's just a really, I don't know. I don't like anything about
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it. Bah humbug, the Amanda Presta Giacomo take. Jacob, this, you know, this reminds me of nuclear
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proliferation. We've had people predicting since the forties that it's inevitable that every country
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is going to get a nuke. You can't keep a lid on this technology. It seems like we're trying to do
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the same thing. And by the way, we've done a pretty good job with nuclear non-proliferation.
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Given how long it's been since the technology was invented, are these killer robots inevitable,
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or can we stop the technology before the terminator begins? Well, the irony is a lot of
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these tech moguls, they would be the guys who would actually create these killer robots. So I think that
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every, every year, like at least once or twice a year, one of these tech CEOs comes out and they say
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it, I honestly think it's a distraction. They, they just come out when, when everything's high
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pressure when, uh, when the left is going crazy or, or whatever they come out. Cause most of them
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are on the left. They come out and they complain about a robot apocalypse. And then all of a sudden
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the headlines are Elon Musk warns of robot apocalypse. So you think it's a distraction?
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I totally think it's a distraction. Wow. That I love the conspiracies coming out of Jacob
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Berry. Could be though. I wouldn't put it past them. Antonia, you are the weapons expert on the panel
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today. Now is it safer for us to try to get rid of these weapons or have a global ban or would it be
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safer to have responsible actors all have them so that we don't use them against each other in a
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phrase? Should we say more killer robots, less crime? Are you trying to get me to say that,
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uh, weapon free zones are a good thing? I just feel like the gun activists, uh, will never be okay
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with that. Um, you know what, it's just a reality of it. And, uh, I mean, the same thing, like reality
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that gun owners are going to keep their guns. Americans are going to keep their guns. There's
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going to be weapons and guns. Um, so at least be, um, on the right side of it and make sure that the
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ones who shouldn't be having weapons, um, don't. So I think it kind of goes with everything. I kind
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of think also it's funny, you know, me being a gun rights activist with Antifa, bringing it back,
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of course, um, that these same people are the people who probably would be against me having a
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firearm or any weapon of any kind, but it's okay for them or being able to do it, um, because peace
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through violence is okay. As long as it's not. And they're going to defend you. And what do you
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don't need to be able to defend yourself? They've got you covered. Just let them handle it. What
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could possibly go wrong? Absolutely. That was exactly what, so I wrote a New York times piece
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on that. And that is what almost every person of the New York times audience would say. It was like,
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you don't even need a gun. Why do you even? And then they're like, you know what? Antifa is great.
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Antifa is so great. Um, but you really don't need a gun on college campuses. Antifa is there,
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but you really, uh, yeah, not, not a hint of cognitive dissonance at all.
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Absolutely not. We will empower you by allowing you to empower us. I don't know how they can
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resolve that. But speaking of college campuses, a group of Liberty University alumni are symbolically
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giving back their diplomas because they're upset that the university president, Jerry Falwell Jr.
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supports president Trump. Now, Antonia, you can't actually give back a degree. So when these kids
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apply for jobs, they'll still have their BA and they'll have everything. Is there any substance to
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this grandstanding? Is there anything at all that they're doing? Or is it just like on Facebook,
00:26:17.340
Oh, well, when I heard that, I, first of all, I was like, who are these Liberty University
00:26:21.660
graduates? Do they know they went to Liberty University? I mean, his nomination, his, his
00:26:28.180
nomination announcement. I mean, it was for a reason. Uh, let's just say that, uh, it's kind
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of like with Baylor university when, you know, atheists go to Baylor and I've seen them. Um,
00:26:37.920
and I'm just like, you really can't complain. I mean, yeah. Um, if you hate Baptist, you know,
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Baptist, I don't think you should be going there. Same with Liberty. If you hate anything on the
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conservative side, on the right side, and you think your president, your school president is
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not going to be okay with the president who's a Republican. Um, I mean, the same thing that you
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said, Michael, yes. What a great gesture that you gave back your diploma. Um, but then when you go
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and like interview for inter, uh, Antifa Boston, yeah, you can tell them that you're, you're okay with
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that. Um, but then you still have your BA on the side just in case, you know, you decide that's
00:27:16.420
not going to work out. You just log into monster.com. You type in Antifa Boston. I hope they're hiring.
00:27:21.420
That's what I got here, Michael. It's a, it's a tough job market, you know? Yeah. Amanda,
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on Antonia's point, why did these kids go to Liberty? Why did they apply? How did they get in?
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This is supposed to be all Christian, all conservative. Is there just now no hope for
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colleges at all? Or is there something in the college experience right now that
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just forces people into becoming leftist drones? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's the latter.
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I mean, this is, this is so funny. I mean, they're, they're upset that colleges are too
00:27:54.560
conservative. Like it's just, it's just a crazy thought, just generally speaking that, you know,
00:28:01.080
the problem on college is that it's too conservative. Um, I know Liberty University is obviously Christian
00:28:06.160
and conservative, so they knew that going in. Um, but it's just, it's just all silly. It's just
00:28:12.020
peak virtue signaling. They're just, they're handing back a piece of paper. That's literally
00:28:16.560
what they're doing. They're not handing back their degree. They're not doing anything. Uh,
00:28:20.920
this is like the equivalent of, you know, those 10 people that CNN covered because it was so big
00:28:25.800
that spelled out resistance on the beach with sticks. Like this doesn't do anything. I don't,
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and there are no stakes to it there. It's one thing to give back something of value to lose
00:28:41.260
something of value for your beliefs. These guys, they're not out there protesting like the civil
00:28:45.500
rights movement or other civil rights movements with their, their faces wide in the open repercussions
00:28:50.860
readily available, being arrested for civil disobedience. These guys are wearing masks.
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They're covering their faces. They're running away. Why are, why are they all such cowards?
00:29:00.520
My, I think they just weren't hit as children. Honestly, they just needed a beating when they
00:29:09.560
were younger. Uh, these kids never got that. You can tell just how they act.
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That's the Fleck is talk school of parenting where you get smacked with the wooden spoon.
00:29:18.060
Yeah. Yeah. That's how I was, that's how I was raised. When I hear him talk, I feel like we were
00:29:21.760
raised in the same household. Um, no, I mean, it's, it's, they're just spoiled little brats who don't,
00:29:27.000
there's nothing on the line. I mean, like you said, they cover their face. They send back a piece
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of paper that has nothing connected to their actual degree. I mean, it's, it's just all virtue
00:29:36.020
signaling. And by the way, in Boston, there, there were no neo-Nazis. So they were fighting,
00:29:42.380
who are they fighting? Right. They're fighting a phantom. They were fighting against free speech.
00:29:46.740
That's right. Well, they're, they're fighting this phantom that they want to be able to paint over all of
00:29:51.520
the right. But really, as you said, a national protest in Charlottesville organized for months
00:29:57.440
attracts, what, a couple hundred of these idiots. Jacob, that was, that was clearly the incident.
00:30:02.940
Obviously a lot of these responses have come out of president Trump's response to Charlottesville.
00:30:08.680
He's had to dissolve a couple of his advisory panels. And what is it about that response
00:30:15.300
to Charlottesville that has elicited what is without a doubt, the strongest reaction of his
00:30:21.040
presidency? I honestly think it was his tone. I mean, he came out, uh, we're going to grab the
00:30:26.640
bull by the horns. Right. And I honestly think the mainstream media doesn't know what to do about
00:30:31.240
this. I mean, they're already against him. They think of him as a, as a traitor of the left.
00:30:35.120
And so they're already out against him and they, and they are just going crazy that he is just
00:30:40.720
saying, look, this is how it is. This is what I believe whether he is correct or not. That's,
00:30:45.320
that doesn't matter. They are going to just, they're just going to keep slamming him and they're just
00:30:50.220
going to keep reacting and they're going to, it's just putting pressure on these advisory boards.
00:30:55.240
So they saw an opening it with, with that, you know, scare, the scariest word in the language,
00:31:00.780
Nazi, they saw an opening and they pounced on it. It's always the boogeyman. They always find some
00:31:05.420
sort of boogeyman. And this time it's, it's Nazis. And you know, it's not entirely a boogeyman.
00:31:10.440
There were a couple hundred people down there. One of them did kill a woman and it hit some others.
00:31:15.200
Well, I mean, in the context of how the mainstream media is reporting.
00:31:18.180
Of course. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, we need some good news. It's all been killer robots and
00:31:23.340
Antifa and Nazis. We need some good news and we got it. President Trump has disbanded a federal
00:31:29.320
global warming advisory board. Now, Amanda, is this evidence that president Trump might stay the course
00:31:35.720
even as Steve Bannon leaves the white house? A lot of the Republicans who were there in the beginning
00:31:41.020
have left the white house. Is this hopefully a sign of hope for the future?
00:31:47.820
Yeah, I think it's a great sign. I mean, Trump has governed pretty conservatively. I mean, I know he says
00:31:53.680
things that the media pounce on, but he's not, I mean, he's pretty mainstream conservative and then
00:31:58.720
he'll take things a step even further right than most presidents like this and disband this dumb climate
00:32:04.060
advisory board that would implement some really harmful, really harmful agenda policy. So yeah,
00:32:09.960
I think it's a great step. And I love this kind of stuff from Trump. This will keep me on team Trump,
00:32:16.300
even if the media go hysterical over things he says. And then one other point about what Jacob was saying
00:32:22.340
last time, how the media have just overreacted to President Trump's statement. If you looked at,
00:32:27.780
if you look at Mitt Romney, what he said about Antifa, he basically said that they were fine. Like
00:32:33.340
this was a fine group. And that just, again, shows that the media is not accustomed to a Republican
00:32:38.520
actually speaking out and speaking truth and saying things that are unpopular, but true.
00:32:42.860
That's right. They love Republicans who lose. They're always, in retrospect, they're always very,
00:32:48.060
oh, they were great men, those Republicans who in no way threaten my political agenda. Now,
00:32:52.860
that is, that is the worry about this political agenda is that President Trump is going to make
00:32:58.580
some Arnold Schwarzenegger pivot to the left. That's basically what Steve Bannon is saying is
00:33:04.180
going to happen now. Jacob, or rather, Antonio, I'd like to hear from you first on this. What do you
00:33:09.180
think? Is he about to pivot to the left? Is, or is Steve Bannon just upset that he left the White House?
00:33:14.040
Oh, yeah, I don't. To be honest, though, I've been, you know, as a conservative, I just don't
00:33:21.520
think, I mean, everybody who's on this, who's not conservative, who's not going to true conservative,
00:33:27.080
really, especially since they're mostly populist, they already have a lot of authoritarian in them.
00:33:32.320
So I kind of, I could disagree anyways, with a lot of his policies and what he'd implement. So I
00:33:37.260
probably think he's already going to the left anyway. So I'm not. It was always going to happen. You
00:33:41.000
thought it was basically built into his campaign. Yeah, it's already happening. That's the type of
00:33:48.180
thing. But I mean, like, again, the conservatives didn't win the White House. Populists did. So
00:33:53.640
we get the morsels that, you know, the crumbs that we can get. And fair enough. You say, well,
00:33:59.840
it isn't Hillary. We get a little deregulation. At least we don't get new regulation. Take what we can
00:34:04.780
get, but don't have, don't put our faith in princes. Jacob, why would President Trump choose to do this
00:34:10.500
now? There's all this craziness going on. Did President Trump disband this panel, this advisory
00:34:16.760
board, because of the news cycle, because the news cycle has been so against him? Or is he just
00:34:22.540
holding course and doing it to poke a finger in the media's eye? I could see either one of those being
00:34:27.480
true. I actually think it's a little bit of both. President Trump, when he backed out of the Paris
00:34:32.940
Climate Accords, he destroyed their religion. Scientism and environmentalism has replaced faith for
00:34:39.200
the left. And I honestly think that he was planning to do this and he thought, hey, this is a perfect
00:34:43.480
time. I'm getting all this bad publicity because of my, my speech for what happened with Charlottesville.
00:34:48.040
So I'm going to do this right now. And it'll, it'll change the headlines away and it'll, I'll just be
00:34:53.100
able to go back because really climate change there it's indefensible. I mean, there's some points
00:34:58.340
that are accurate about it or whatever. I agree. I think it is indefensible that Al Gore would choose
00:35:02.540
to heat up this earth. It's really, really reckless of him to do that. Yes. With all that Al Jazeera money.
00:35:07.460
Yeah. So I do see that. It's not that president Trump is trying to change the headline to get a
00:35:13.440
decent headline. He's just trying to get the media mad about something else.
00:35:17.840
And that's what he's good at. He, they, he play, he, it's like the Pied Piper. He plays it and they
00:35:23.060
follow right along. 4D chess endorsed by Jacob Airy. Okay. Panel, it's been very nice to have you.
00:35:29.380
Antonio Okafor, Amanda Presto Giacomo and Jacob Airy. Now it is time. I have to put on my smart glasses
00:35:34.680
because it's time for the final thought. President Trump's drawing of moral equivalence
00:35:43.880
between neo-Nazis and Antifa thugs seemed tone deaf at the time because it miscalculated the
00:35:49.380
enormity of the offenses. Antifa maced people, hurled rocks at them, beat protesters. Sure.
00:35:55.260
But a neo-Nazi killed a woman with his car. Of course, both sides are odious. Yet while Republicans
00:36:00.780
and conservatives at all levels, from the grassroots to the White House, swiftly condemned the criminals
00:36:06.160
and kooks on their side, Democrats have kept virtually mum on Antifa. Because while neo-Nazism
00:36:12.240
and white nationalism remain a fringe element on the right, a vanishingly small alternative to
00:36:17.780
everybody else, leftist violence to suppress speech is widespread and even encouraged by cheerleaders not
00:36:24.640
on some fringe alt-left, but right square in the mainstream. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the
00:36:29.760
Michael Knowles Show. Come back tomorrow. We'll do it all again.
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