The Michael Knowles Show - August 23, 2023


Ep. 1315 - Trump Arrested In Atlanta


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

174.25812

Word Count

8,409

Sentence Count

597

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

In the wake of President Trump's latest indictments, a new wave of conservative lawyers and activists are being brought in for questioning the legitimacy of the results of the 2020 election. They are not being prosecuted for their political crimes, they are being charged for exercising their First Amendment rights.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 We talk a lot about the Trump indictments, but President Trump is not the only conservative
00:00:04.360 that our liberal ruling class is trying to put behind bars.
00:00:08.280 In fact, today, this week and today specifically, liberals in Georgia are rounding up 18
00:00:15.200 co-defendants in the Trump case.
00:00:17.860 Who are they?
00:00:19.080 Well, one is Mark Meadows, former U.S. congressman, former White House chief of staff.
00:00:25.680 He's being arrested for being on a phone call with the Georgia Secretary of State and the
00:00:32.620 President of the United States, in which the President raised the prospect of election fraud.
00:00:38.180 Another one is my friend Jenna Ellis, who is being arrested for committing the crime of
00:00:44.860 being the President's lawyer.
00:00:47.580 Another one is John Eastman, another lawyer, extremely respected, great guy, indicted for
00:00:53.720 believing that there might have been some questions about the propriety of the election
00:00:59.660 and advising his client on how best to navigate that.
00:01:03.660 A whole bunch of other lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani, greatest mayor in the history of
00:01:07.880 New York City, indicted for basically the same thing.
00:01:12.400 Jeffrey Clark, a former DOJ official who, quote, identified significant concerns about the
00:01:19.420 2020 election.
00:01:21.400 Those concerns are apparently enough to get you arrested in Joe Biden's America.
00:01:25.100 David Schaefer, former head of the Georgia Republican Party, being prosecuted for objecting
00:01:31.280 to the way that the election was conducted.
00:01:33.480 Stephen Lee, a pastor, a pastor who is being prosecuted for knocking on the door of an election
00:01:40.980 worker, knocking on the door, and on, and on.
00:01:45.960 To say nothing of the Midwestern grannies who were locked up, the hapless protesters thrown
00:01:51.660 in solitary confinement for months and months for walking around the Capitol Rotunda on January
00:01:58.160 6th, the worst day in the history of the whole wide world.
00:02:02.020 Incarcerated just months after BLM arsonists, looters, and rioters walked free with nary a slap
00:02:10.360 on the wrist.
00:02:11.900 These people, mostly lawyers and political activists, are not being incarcerated for any
00:02:18.580 particular crimes.
00:02:20.940 Plenty of people have committed the same or more egregious versions, much more egregious
00:02:25.600 versions of these supposed transgressions and never received a knock on the door from the
00:02:29.840 authorities.
00:02:30.220 These people are being prosecuted for their politics, for which side they're on, which
00:02:37.600 party they belong to, which candidates they help.
00:02:40.160 They are effectively political prisoners.
00:02:43.740 And with no sign of the prosecution slowing down, one now has to ask a very sad question.
00:02:50.720 By the end of 2024, which country will have more per capita political prisoners?
00:02:56.560 Communist China, Putin's Russia, or the good old U.S. of A?
00:03:02.680 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:03:03.520 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:03:04.400 Welcome back to the show.
00:03:24.720 Speaking of our rulers, Joe Biden just touched down in Maui and decided to make the national
00:03:30.720 catastrophe where likely 1,000 people at least have been killed, lots of children.
00:03:35.780 He decided to make that all about a kitchen fire in his house.
00:03:38.260 So we'll get to that in one second.
00:03:40.040 First, though, did you ever think you would ask that question about your own country?
00:03:45.760 How many more political prisoners are we going to get?
00:03:49.500 Who's going to have more political prisoners?
00:03:51.260 Us or some awful, terrible countries, no good rotten regimes around the world?
00:03:54.700 I guess I was just a little naive.
00:03:58.820 I didn't think we did that in the United States.
00:04:02.380 I wasn't so naive that I didn't realize that people in power sometimes pursue political advantage
00:04:11.780 and punish political enemies.
00:04:13.140 I knew that.
00:04:13.840 I just never thought we would get to the point where we would be arresting lawyers for representing,
00:04:22.460 for having the gall, the temerity to represent the president of the United States,
00:04:27.560 where we would be actually arresting candidates, former presidents, leaders of the opposition,
00:04:34.180 like Trump, of course, and pretty much anyone Trump's ever met for having the gumption to
00:04:42.840 question an election that was obviously rigged, regardless of what you think about, well,
00:04:48.560 would Trump have won or did Biden really get a bazillion votes or whatever?
00:04:52.740 We know they changed all the rules in the months and weeks before the election.
00:04:56.280 We know they did this to the advantage of Democrats.
00:04:58.380 Democrats, we know they did this in a way in which even Democrats previously had admitted
00:05:03.940 that it opens the system up to fraud.
00:05:06.600 We know that they did it in violation of the state constitution in the case of Pennsylvania.
00:05:10.240 We all know that.
00:05:10.940 And so then Trump's lawyers and some activists and some Republican leaders and a pastor,
00:05:16.400 I don't know, ordinary people raise a question about that.
00:05:21.340 I'm not even saying they speak truth to power.
00:05:23.200 I'm saying they raise questions to power and they get thrown in the can for it.
00:05:26.280 Did you ever think we'd be there?
00:05:29.100 I didn't because the Democrats did all of that in 2000, which with far less justification
00:05:34.440 than the Republicans did in 2020.
00:05:36.820 And we were told that was patriotic.
00:05:39.420 Dissent is patriotic.
00:05:40.440 Remember that?
00:05:41.260 Hillary continues to do it from 2016.
00:05:44.560 Stacey Abrams continues to do it from 2018.
00:05:46.500 None of them are in prison.
00:05:47.760 They're all fetid.
00:05:48.440 They all go on CNN.
00:05:49.660 They're all lauded as wonderful voices of the people.
00:05:52.060 But at any time, any Republican does it, from Donald Trump all the way down to the Midwestern
00:05:56.960 granny, they get thrown in the cell and they throw away the key, at least for a long period
00:06:02.140 of time.
00:06:02.780 Now, speaking of being harassed for questioning the government, the Vakramaswamy is in hot
00:06:08.740 water.
00:06:09.320 Here's the headline.
00:06:10.560 The headline is, the Vakramaswamy is a 9-11 truther.
00:06:14.700 The Vakramaswamy says 9-11 was an inside job and the government totally did it.
00:06:19.200 And I saw that headline, I said, well, you know, I've known Vivek for some time now.
00:06:24.300 That doesn't seem like his view.
00:06:27.840 I mean, that's a little suspect to me.
00:06:29.780 Let me look a little deeper.
00:06:31.080 Then I realized it's basically a fake hit job from the media.
00:06:35.080 He went on CNN to discuss it.
00:06:37.140 Here's the line of questioning.
00:06:38.700 A report in the Atlantic that you gave an interview to, you said, quote, I think it is legitimate
00:06:43.300 to say how many police, how many federal agents were on the planes that hit the Twin Towers.
00:06:47.820 Maybe the answer is zero.
00:06:49.660 It probably is zero for all I know, right?
00:06:52.000 I have no reason to think it was anything other than zero.
00:06:54.620 But if we're doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9-11, we have a 9-11 commission.
00:06:59.480 Absolutely, there should be an answer the public knows the answer to.
00:07:02.960 Explain to me what you meant there.
00:07:05.640 This is really, it's funny.
00:07:07.260 I mean, the Atlantic is playing the same game as CNN.
00:07:09.660 It's funny.
00:07:09.980 What I said is on January 6th, I do believe that there were many federal agents in the
00:07:15.440 field and we deserve to know who they are.
00:07:17.600 On 9-11, what I've said is that the government lied.
00:07:19.940 And this is incontrovertible evidence, Caitlin.
00:07:22.140 The government lied about Saudi Arabia's involvement.
00:07:25.280 There was a Saudi spy named Al-Bayoumi who they lied and the government lied and the 9-11
00:07:30.260 commission lied.
00:07:31.380 We know that because declassified reports in 2021 revealed that Al-Bayoumi was indeed.
00:07:37.900 What's that?
00:07:38.760 Yeah, the report that President Biden declassified.
00:07:41.380 But your quote here, are you telling me that the quote is wrong here?
00:07:43.940 20 years later, yeah.
00:07:44.780 But are you telling me that your quote is wrong here because it says?
00:07:48.380 Do I live in North Korea?
00:07:50.060 I guess this is part of my political naivete.
00:07:53.820 Because when I was a kid, I was taught that the media, the journalists, they exist to speak
00:07:58.040 truth to power.
00:07:59.300 All those other terrible regimes around the world, Russia, China, North Korea, they all just
00:08:03.800 have state propaganda for their media, but not us in America.
00:08:08.140 And then I watch this.
00:08:09.960 And what does this woman say?
00:08:10.980 Caitlin Collins.
00:08:12.020 She says, how dare you question the government about anything?
00:08:15.020 Are you, you're a crazy conspiracy theorist.
00:08:16.560 He says, no, wait, hold on.
00:08:17.380 I'm not a crazy conspiracy theorist.
00:08:18.600 I didn't say anything crazy.
00:08:19.440 I'm just pointing out, we know for a fact, now even Joe Biden would admit this, we know
00:08:24.380 that the government did lie about at least the involvement of Saudi Arabia in the intelligence
00:08:31.800 apparatus in Saudi Arabia.
00:08:32.960 So they suppressed that.
00:08:34.000 So we're just asking some questions about the government.
00:08:38.640 Isn't that what we're supposed to do?
00:08:40.080 Aren't we supposed to be skeptical of power?
00:08:42.080 I'm not saying that it was some space aliens, or I'm not saying it was George Bush was hijacking
00:08:47.920 an airplane.
00:08:48.420 I'm not saying anything like that.
00:08:49.280 I'm just saying the government lied about Saudi Arabia's involvement.
00:08:51.960 So we should continue to press them on unimportant national matters.
00:08:56.120 Okay.
00:08:56.360 We now know that because they lied.
00:08:57.660 And what does this woman do?
00:08:59.200 She interrupts him.
00:09:00.400 She says, we know they lied because great glorious leader, Joe Biden, declassified the
00:09:05.200 documents.
00:09:06.180 He, our great, wonderful, glorious leader of the sun, Joe Biden, good, good, wonderful
00:09:10.340 man.
00:09:10.780 He did it.
00:09:11.420 And so now that is the truth.
00:09:12.800 Before he did that, whatever the government previously said was the truth.
00:09:16.380 But now that the sun king, Kim Il Biden, has declared that Saudi Arabia was somewhat involved.
00:09:23.300 Now we can say that now.
00:09:24.680 All hail the glorious leader.
00:09:27.440 And Vivek says, wait, what?
00:09:28.660 Yeah, that's my point.
00:09:29.640 You're making my point, lady.
00:09:31.940 Could have been, he could have been speaking Korean on there.
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00:11:01.060 My second thought on the Vivek 9-11 thing, I don't know.
00:11:04.580 I haven't looked that deeply into it.
00:11:06.100 I don't really care what he said to The Atlantic or he said to CNN or he seemed to explain himself
00:11:11.120 fine there.
00:11:12.500 But even, I don't know.
00:11:13.540 I did see he was on Alex Stein's show, a conservative comedian.
00:11:19.460 And Alex Stein gets a little more into kind of edgy theories type things.
00:11:24.520 And he said, what do you think about 9-11?
00:11:27.200 And Vivek said, I think the government has lied about parts of it.
00:11:29.320 And so, you know, we should continue to ask questions.
00:11:32.440 Which again, I don't know.
00:11:33.300 I just, he was on a conservative comedy show.
00:11:35.100 I think it doesn't really interest me that much.
00:11:37.360 I disagree with Vivek on a whole number of issues.
00:11:39.580 So that didn't, I didn't bat an eyelash there.
00:11:41.560 I'm more interested in his views on, I don't know, free speech or corporate power or all
00:11:46.680 the rest.
00:11:47.100 But anyway, he said that.
00:11:48.840 And that's the line that the liberals are running with.
00:11:51.280 To which I say, man, he must have a pretty good candidacy.
00:11:55.540 If that's the best they've got, if the best they've got is a possibly inartful articulation
00:12:03.340 of some aspect of the release of previously classified documents about a national tragedy
00:12:11.260 that occurred over 20 years ago.
00:12:13.140 This guy must have a pretty squeaky clean candidacy.
00:12:17.200 No sex scandal, no financial scandal, no political corruption.
00:12:24.060 I mean, I'm just talking about the Biden family right there.
00:12:25.920 That would take out the entire Biden family right there if we had a fair media.
00:12:31.120 But they don't have any of that on Vivek.
00:12:32.780 So they've got to go to some line he said on a conservative podcast.
00:12:36.200 Give me a break.
00:12:36.920 The best they've got is he doesn't believe every single thing that the 9-11 commission
00:12:42.100 concluded, some of which have been contradicted by declassified documents within the last couple
00:12:48.720 of years.
00:12:50.220 He's probably feeling pretty good heading into this debate.
00:12:52.720 Speaking of the debate, another friend of mine, unfortunately, looks like he's going to
00:12:56.920 be kept out of the debate.
00:12:57.800 That would be Larry Elder.
00:12:58.920 Larry Elder, conservative, libertarian radio host in California, ran for governor of California.
00:13:04.380 He's running for president now.
00:13:05.520 Now, he gets to the airport at LAX.
00:13:08.660 He thinks that he's qualified for the debate.
00:13:11.500 He gets a call from Ronna McDaniel, the head of the RNC, saying that he didn't qualify.
00:13:17.020 Here's why.
00:13:18.160 As you can see, I'm at LAX in Routon, Milwaukee.
00:13:21.380 I was just informed by the RNC that I'm not qualified for the debate.
00:13:25.700 Why?
00:13:26.540 Even though I exceeded the 40,000 individual donations required, even though I signed the
00:13:32.700 pledge to support the eventual nominee, even though I submitted three polls where I was
00:13:37.600 at least a 1%, I was informed that one of the polls is not eligible.
00:13:41.880 It's the Rasmussen poll.
00:13:43.000 Even though it was the most accurate poll in predicting that Donald Trump would win in
00:13:46.320 2016, they say it is affiliated with Donald Trump and therefore it is not eligible.
00:13:51.320 And I said to Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the RNC, it's not affiliated with me.
00:13:56.700 She said any poll affiliated with any candidate is not eligible.
00:14:00.460 And no one told me that until just now.
00:14:03.000 So we're filing an emergency injunction to get me up there.
00:14:05.960 This is absolutely BS.
00:14:08.460 One of the candidates, by the way, offered a $20 gift certificate for a $1 donation.
00:14:13.120 That apparently is okay.
00:14:14.300 Okay, so what he's referring to there at the end, I think it was Burgum who had no name
00:14:21.020 recognition, no support.
00:14:22.640 So he decided to just give away gift certificates.
00:14:25.780 If you gave a small donation to his campaign, he'd give you a gift card of greater value to
00:14:31.540 somewhere else because he just wanted 40,000 donors to be able to get onto the debate stage.
00:14:35.160 So what about Larry here?
00:14:38.960 The rules are the rules.
00:14:40.280 I guess he technically doesn't qualify.
00:14:41.820 They can keep him off the stage if they want.
00:14:43.300 Nobody's asked my opinion, but if it were me, if I were running the RNC, I'd let him on.
00:14:49.960 Maybe he doesn't match the letter of the law here, but I think the spirit of the law, he's
00:14:55.300 there because it's not as though he's using the Donald Trump polling firm.
00:15:00.200 He's certainly not using the Larry Elder polling firm.
00:15:02.660 I didn't realize that Rasmussen had this direct relationship with Donald Trump.
00:15:07.700 But even so, Rasmussen's a very respected poll that's been around for a very long time.
00:15:11.680 So it doesn't seem like this is some cynical workaround, some opportunistic grab.
00:15:16.920 I think he qualifies according to three polls, one of which I guess has a relationship with Trump.
00:15:22.020 But don't forget, Trump is effectively running as the incumbent.
00:15:24.760 So this is, again, a reason why this election, this primary race, is different from any other primary race in our lifetimes.
00:15:31.900 Because you've got the first president running for a non-consecutive second term since 1888.
00:15:37.040 And so, yeah, I guess one of the big polling firms has a relationship with Trump.
00:15:41.220 In a normal, ordinary primary year, that would not be the case.
00:15:45.140 Now it is.
00:15:46.300 I say let him on the stage.
00:15:48.140 Who cares?
00:15:48.900 Who's it really going to hurt?
00:15:51.060 Is it going to really hurt DeSantis?
00:15:53.240 DeSantis is already going to be duking it out with Vivek and Christie all night long.
00:15:57.020 I don't think putting Larry Elder up there is going to do very much.
00:16:00.880 Larry Elder's got an interesting perspective.
00:16:03.220 He's got a slightly different perspective than the other candidates on that stage.
00:16:06.760 And frankly, Larry Elder is extremely libertarian.
00:16:08.780 So it's not even like I particularly agree with the ways in which his perspective differ from the other guys on the stage.
00:16:14.400 But I think, come on, you're going to have a debate.
00:16:16.380 Have a debate.
00:16:20.080 Trump is out.
00:16:21.220 He's not going to be participating.
00:16:22.960 In some ways, it's going to make the debate more interesting in that you're not going to have the big king of the hill, top of the heap, chairman of the board sucking all the air out of the room.
00:16:31.760 So you're going to have all these other guys sniping at each other, which will make it more interesting, if not more significant for the race right now because Trump is up 30, 40 points.
00:16:41.900 So put him on the stage.
00:16:42.920 Come on.
00:16:43.260 Why not?
00:16:44.180 Let Larry up there.
00:16:45.180 Larry is really – the reason they don't want him on the stage is because I suspect the other candidates don't want to have to deal with Larry Elder.
00:16:50.580 Because Larry Elder is really, really good in debates.
00:16:54.920 He's really good in confrontational scenarios.
00:16:56.940 Larry was just on The Breakfast Club, and he was effectively called an Uncle Tom.
00:17:03.660 Larry Elder has been called an Uncle Tom his whole life.
00:17:05.640 I think he – didn't he do a movie called Uncle Tom?
00:17:07.700 And so he's dealt with this smear his whole life, and he was somewhat subtly called an Uncle Tom by the host of The Breakfast Club.
00:17:14.620 And Larry just let him have it.
00:17:16.740 Have you ever heard of the term a n*** wake-up call?
00:17:19.660 No.
00:17:20.580 It is an incident where a person of color forgets that they are of color and are reminded rather brutally by an unexpected act of racism.
00:17:27.460 Have you ever had any of those –
00:17:28.460 Oh, brother.
00:17:29.160 I'm just asking.
00:17:30.120 I'm just – you think you've ever had any of those –
00:17:31.660 Well, I'm acutely aware, Charlemagne, that I'm a black person, just as you are a black person.
00:17:36.520 And when Joe Biden insulted you by saying, you ain't really black, we don't know whether or not you want to vote for me or vote for Donald Trump,
00:17:43.640 it seems to me that should have been a wake-up call on your part.
00:17:45.520 How dare this guy come in here and insult you, a black man, and tell you you've got to think a certain kind of way?
00:17:50.480 I'm amazed that you weren't mad about that.
00:17:52.240 I'm not going to say it upset me, just like I'm not letting you upset me.
00:17:56.260 You know what I mean?
00:17:56.580 I don't tend to get upset over things like that.
00:17:58.160 Well, you just not talk about a wake-up call, and it seemed to me that that should have been a wake-up call on your part,
00:18:03.300 to have a white guy come in here who also said, by the way, about Mitt Romney,
00:18:08.500 because he didn't want to put more regulations on Wall Street, he's going to put y'all back in chains.
00:18:14.860 And Joe Biden has lied for decades about his civil rights record,
00:18:17.760 claiming that he desegregated movie theaters and restaurants in Wilmington, Delaware, when he didn't do any of that.
00:18:23.180 He lied and said that he tried to visit Nelson Mandela during apartheid South Africa.
00:18:26.780 He did not.
00:18:27.980 And he came in here and told you you aren't even black unless you think a certain kind of way?
00:18:31.440 It seems to me that should have been a wake-up call for you, but it wasn't, apparently.
00:18:36.000 Absolutely devastating.
00:18:37.800 So that's part of the reason I want him on the debate stage.
00:18:39.920 I'm really looking forward to the debate tonight.
00:18:42.160 I know some people are saying it's not fair that Trump's not there.
00:18:45.840 Trump needs to show up.
00:18:46.820 They need to rip Trump apart.
00:18:48.140 If Trump showed up, it would be the Donald Trump show, which I get a kick out of.
00:18:51.340 I find it entertaining.
00:18:52.920 But the rest of the guys on stage would have just been trying to take potshots at Trump.
00:18:57.400 It probably wouldn't have worked very well.
00:18:59.060 He would have maintained his lead.
00:19:00.300 We wouldn't have really gotten very much out of it.
00:19:02.480 Now, at least, we're going to get to see the differences between all of the second-tier and third-tier and fourth-tier candidates
00:19:07.240 and see if any movement happens and see if, right now, Ron DeSantis is still number two.
00:19:12.040 Maybe he can improve his position.
00:19:13.860 Maybe some candidates drop out and people coalesce around DeSantis.
00:19:16.620 Or maybe one of the other candidates comes up, takes that number two spot from him.
00:19:20.200 It's going to be a much less predictable, interesting debate than that.
00:19:24.720 And it'll be even more interesting if Larry Elder gets up there.
00:19:29.240 Now, to the point Larry Elder's making here is a really good exchange, and Larry is good at pointing out the hypocrisy of the racism industry.
00:19:36.000 But I don't think this is going to work in the general.
00:19:39.760 If Larry somehow became the nominee or were a running mate or something like that,
00:19:44.400 I don't think this line would work in the general because the black vote is overwhelmingly, solidly Democrat.
00:19:52.340 And we might say that's wrong and that's stupid and they should vote for Republicans and I think all of that, but it's just a fact.
00:19:58.300 The black vote has not budged in decades.
00:20:01.900 And on top of that, racism doesn't mean anything anymore.
00:20:06.840 The word racist, according to the Democrats, just means bad.
00:20:11.000 The word, you'll just be accused of racism if you in any way contradict their views on anything.
00:20:17.860 Or if you are white at all, you'll be called racist.
00:20:21.880 And to the right, because the right has recognized that the word doesn't mean anything,
00:20:27.000 I think the attack has less venom than it used to.
00:20:32.100 It has less potency than it used to.
00:20:34.720 So, you know, Larry can come out and say, well, Democrats are the real racists.
00:20:37.680 I just don't think it's going to budge anybody's vote.
00:20:39.380 The Democrats who could be scandalized by that and wake up and go to the other side, that's, I think, already happened.
00:20:47.020 And the Republicans are much less afraid of being called racist now because we know how disingenuous it is.
00:20:51.760 So, hope he makes it to the debate.
00:20:53.800 I think he would do a great job out there.
00:20:56.720 The main guy in the race has just promised, though, that he will not go to any of the debates.
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00:22:17.360 You know, we're talking about one of the presidential candidates got stuck in some conspiracy theories, according to the media.
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00:23:55.620 We knew Trump wasn't going to go to this debate.
00:23:57.360 He's having a conversation with Tucker instead.
00:23:58.920 We've got a Daily Wire backstage tonight, so we'll be doing a whole pre-show about it and talking about it.
00:24:03.180 But Trump has now come out and said he's not going to attend any of the debates.
00:24:07.080 He says, new CBS poll just out has me leading the field by legendary numbers.
00:24:11.320 Trump 62, 46 points above to Sanctimonious, who is crashing like an ailing bird.
00:24:16.900 An ailing bird?
00:24:20.220 That's vivid.
00:24:21.120 That's a very vivid image.
00:24:22.620 Ramaswamy 7, Pence 5, Scott 3, Haley 2, Sloppy Chris Christie 2%.
00:24:27.320 Ada Hutchinson won.
00:24:30.080 Why did he spell it Ada?
00:24:31.180 I don't know.
00:24:32.200 Like the Broadway play?
00:24:33.440 Wasn't that a Broadway show, Ada?
00:24:36.040 He said, anyway, the public knows who I am and what a successful presidency I had with energy
00:24:41.360 independence, strong borders, and military, biggest ever tax and regulation cuts, no inflation,
00:24:44.920 strongest economy in history, and much more.
00:24:47.240 I will therefore, all caps, I will therefore not be doing the debates.
00:24:51.480 Okay, I would say that this is bluster, that he won't attend this debate, nor should he.
00:24:57.700 There's no strategic reason for him to do it.
00:25:00.140 But if this debate hurts his poll numbers, if this debate helps especially DeSantis, or even
00:25:08.800 Vivek, or someone else to really start to rally the field around him, if a number of candidates
00:25:12.660 drop out, maybe Trump will have to show up to the second debate.
00:25:15.560 That's what I would have said, and I would say that this is all bluster, except for one
00:25:20.160 line here.
00:25:21.160 The one line here that tells me he might be serious and has good reason to make this point
00:25:25.060 is, he says, the public knows who I am.
00:25:29.040 The point of the debates is to introduce yourself to the public, to get the public to know you,
00:25:35.920 to convince them that you're the man for the job.
00:25:37.840 Donald Trump, uniquely in the field, has already done that.
00:25:43.900 Everyone has known who Donald Trump is since the 80s, at least.
00:25:48.740 This guy has been a staple of American public life for 40 years, more than 40 years.
00:25:55.540 And he's been the president, which is why, yet again, I have to point out it's not a regular
00:26:01.440 presidential primary.
00:26:02.520 He is running effectively as an incumbent.
00:26:05.900 So the main advantage that he would get from the debates is he could show people who he
00:26:11.500 is.
00:26:11.960 He could craft the image about himself rather than letting other people craft the image
00:26:16.180 of him for the public.
00:26:19.860 There's nothing he can do.
00:26:21.420 Everybody knows who Donald Trump is.
00:26:23.280 Everybody has some opinion about Donald Trump.
00:26:25.600 Not one word he's going to say in these debates is going to change people's opinion of him.
00:26:29.680 Not one.
00:26:31.720 It's the first time I think maybe he actually won't show up to the rest of them.
00:26:37.000 And the first time I think maybe he's right not to.
00:26:42.420 I'm not sure who's harsher on Trump, the Democrats or the never Trump Republicans.
00:26:46.760 There's a guy, this is so sad.
00:26:48.460 There's a guy, Michael Ludig, who is a longtime respected conservative judge.
00:26:55.740 At least you'd say originalist judge who now spends all of his time on liberal news shows
00:27:03.580 attacking Donald Trump.
00:27:05.180 And he believes that the Constitution disqualifies Trump from even running for president.
00:27:11.380 He lost that election fair and square in what was, we now know, perhaps the fairest election
00:27:22.540 in American history.
00:27:24.240 Hold on, put a pause there.
00:27:25.760 Hold on.
00:27:29.060 If you come to me and you make an argument and you say, Michael, look, obviously there
00:27:34.220 were some shenanigans in the election, but here is why the burst water pipes and the week
00:27:40.060 long counting of the votes and the changing of all the election rules and the violating
00:27:44.760 of the state constitution.
00:27:45.740 Here's why all of the Democrat shenanigans actually didn't affect the outcome of the election.
00:27:51.320 And you made that argument to me.
00:27:52.520 I would at least be open to the argument.
00:27:56.000 But if you come to me and you deny all of those things and you deny all the shenanigans
00:28:02.940 and you deny all the election policy changes that even Democrats 10 years ago admitted open
00:28:09.540 the system up to fraud and you look me in the face and you tell me that it's the fairest election in
00:28:16.020 American history, I just can't believe that.
00:28:20.960 That's obviously not true.
00:28:23.380 That is the equivalent of Judge Ludig walking up to me, unzipping his fly, relieving himself on my leg and
00:28:30.580 telling me that it is raining completely absurd.
00:28:34.400 He goes on disqualification provision of Section three of the 14th Amendment.
00:28:40.780 And therefore, the imposition of that qualification for the presidency is stated in perhaps
00:28:51.200 the clearest language possible in the Constitution.
00:28:56.540 And it is unmistakably applicable to the former president and his role and activities on January 6th.
00:29:08.460 So the question is not whether the Section three of the 14th Amendment applies to the former president.
00:29:17.800 It unquestionably does.
00:29:21.720 Here's a little trick.
00:29:23.480 This is just a little rule of thumb in politics when you want to discern serious political speech from BS political speech.
00:29:31.160 Pay attention to the adverbs.
00:29:34.140 The more adverbs that a politician uses, the more frequently the politician uses those adverbs,
00:29:40.920 the more grand the adverbs,
00:29:43.580 the more likely that he is not quite confident of his position.
00:29:49.040 It is incontrovertibly true.
00:29:52.100 It is so manifestly, obviously true in the clearest possible language that Trump's not qualified to run.
00:29:59.500 He is disqualified.
00:30:01.680 Where do you get that from?
00:30:03.960 Oh, it's in the Section three of the 14th Amendment.
00:30:06.660 It's not, but just, but let me just, it's the, it's obviously, clearly, most seriously,
00:30:12.280 the fairest election ever, and so obviously, manifestly, clearly true that Trump can't run again.
00:30:18.780 Okay, well, let me just see the, what is it?
00:30:20.320 Section three, you said section three of the 14th Amendment.
00:30:24.460 Okay.
00:30:25.360 Disqualification from holding office.
00:30:27.140 No person shall be a senator or representative in Congress or elector of president and vice president
00:30:30.980 or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States or under the state who,
00:30:35.880 having previously taken an oath as a member of Congress or as an officer of the United States
00:30:38.960 or as a member of any state legislature or as an executive or judicial officer of any state
00:30:43.120 to support the Constitution of the United States
00:30:45.240 shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same
00:30:49.220 or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof,
00:30:52.360 but Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each house, remove such a disability.
00:30:58.120 What's kind of interesting about section three is it doesn't mention the president.
00:31:01.240 It mentions an elector of the president, mentions senators, house representatives,
00:31:06.520 different officers of different states, state legislatures, executive and judicial officers of states.
00:31:12.680 It doesn't actually mention the president of the United States.
00:31:14.960 And more importantly, it says that they won't do it if they've engaged in insurrection
00:31:21.040 or rebellion or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
00:31:25.100 Has Donald Trump been charged with insurrection?
00:31:27.680 Did any of the January 6th grannies get charged with insurrection?
00:31:31.240 Has Donald Trump been convicted of any crime?
00:31:34.260 Has any crime even close to this sort of thing?
00:31:41.780 Not to my knowledge.
00:31:43.160 I haven't seen that.
00:31:44.260 Have you seen that?
00:31:45.420 No.
00:31:47.080 And the notion that because CNN calls him an insurrectionist, therefore he is,
00:31:54.400 Ludig goes on, he says,
00:31:55.920 and well, the only question is, is this a self-enforcing rule?
00:32:01.240 Is that, or do you have to be, you know, convicted by one of those pesky courts or something like that?
00:32:07.040 Yeah, I know.
00:32:07.700 I don't think you get convicted by MSNBC, dude.
00:32:10.280 I think.
00:32:11.920 Grief, man.
00:32:12.660 This guy is so sad.
00:32:14.460 What happened to this guy?
00:32:15.800 Because I don't want to downplay.
00:32:17.460 He was a very important figure in the conservative legal movement,
00:32:20.580 which had some problems and is now in a process of being changed a little bit.
00:32:25.520 It was a little too procedural, probably.
00:32:27.620 It was not substantive enough.
00:32:29.760 Got some good victories.
00:32:30.940 Obviously, we got the Dobbs victory.
00:32:32.220 That's pretty phenomenal.
00:32:33.080 But some have questioned the wisdom of the conservative legal movement,
00:32:38.660 notably Adrian Vermeule, the Harvard law professor who is right-wing,
00:32:42.480 and some other people have as well,
00:32:44.620 because there was a tendency among the conservative legal movement
00:32:49.300 to squish at various times, to say,
00:32:52.260 look, all we care about is the original public meaning of the Constitution
00:32:58.320 and the original public meaning of statutes.
00:33:00.740 And if that original public meaning leads us to the place
00:33:04.080 where we're going to kill 800,000 babies a year,
00:33:06.000 well, look, that's just what it says.
00:33:07.800 We can't possibly use any other interpretive principle.
00:33:11.600 We can't possibly refer to, say,
00:33:13.480 the background principles of the natural law to come to a conclusion.
00:33:17.720 We can't possibly exercise our judgment.
00:33:19.340 No, no, no, we're just automatons.
00:33:22.320 We're robots applying the original public meaning,
00:33:24.060 which itself was a transformation, by the way,
00:33:26.340 because the original originalism was original meaning,
00:33:28.620 not original intent, not original public meaning.
00:33:31.640 But in any case, it's very sad to see what happened to this guy
00:33:35.400 and so many other people like him who just got driven crazy by Trump
00:33:40.060 and made an idol out of their principles, their supposed principles,
00:33:45.080 and in so doing, undermined all of their principles.
00:33:49.840 Does anyone really believe that throwing the leader of the opposition into prison
00:33:53.520 for holding a rally and for calling for peace and all the rest of it,
00:34:00.160 that that's really in keeping with the American Republican tradition,
00:34:04.380 that that's really in keeping with the rule of law?
00:34:06.660 No, nobody thinks that.
00:34:08.240 But this guy's just been driven crazy, and now he's saying,
00:34:10.580 hey, yeah, the liberal regime needs to imprison its political enemies.
00:34:13.680 Yeah, go get him.
00:34:14.920 Why?
00:34:15.380 Because, I don't know, the 14th Amendment says it somewhere,
00:34:17.500 or say an invisible link somewhere.
00:34:19.580 Very sad.
00:34:20.340 Same thing happened to Bill Kristol.
00:34:22.380 Bill Kristol, maybe you love him, maybe you hate him.
00:34:24.560 Bill Kristol was a very influential guy on the right.
00:34:27.620 Bill Kristol was so influential that he could launch extremely ill-fated wars
00:34:32.000 and vice presidential careers for decades.
00:34:35.440 And now what does he do?
00:34:36.660 He just takes pot shots on blogs that nobody reads.
00:34:40.540 He is a Democrat.
00:34:42.360 He's effectively a liberal Democrat.
00:34:44.860 Judge Michael Ludig went from being a giant of the conservative legal movement
00:34:49.140 to being the Ed McMahon to every hack host on MSNBC.
00:34:54.240 Very, very sad.
00:34:55.900 Why did that happen?
00:34:57.640 I've got two explanations for it.
00:35:00.060 I've got two explanations for how Trump, in particular,
00:35:04.160 has managed to drive these people crazy.
00:35:05.780 One, the cynical explanation is that it's just jealousy.
00:35:10.940 That these guys used to have a lot of influence and power.
00:35:14.720 These guys used to have their vision of what the Republican Party should be,
00:35:18.740 be the dominant vision.
00:35:20.340 And Trump came in, and he returned the GOP in many ways to an older kind of conservatism
00:35:25.000 that was a little more skeptical of free trade.
00:35:26.960 That was a little more skeptical of immigration.
00:35:28.680 That was a little more skeptical of outsourcing.
00:35:30.500 That was a little more skeptical of globalization.
00:35:33.500 That was a little more skeptical of liberalism, for that matter.
00:35:38.560 And they didn't like that.
00:35:40.100 And they saw their influence wane.
00:35:41.640 And they saw their political vision being put in the backseat,
00:35:47.180 as other kinds of conservatism had been put in the backseat for 50 years.
00:35:50.720 And they took their ball and went home.
00:35:53.040 And they said, well, if I can't have power here,
00:35:54.860 I'm going to go over to the Democrat Party.
00:35:56.540 Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
00:36:00.000 Okay, that's the cynical reason.
00:36:01.560 Listen, the charitable explanation is that this is a failure of political imagination.
00:36:08.340 That these guys had just been stuck in a rut.
00:36:10.360 And they believed that the three or four hack talking points from the back of a napkin
00:36:16.440 that the Republican politicians had been saying to no effect for 30 years,
00:36:20.180 that that was the be-all and end-all of conservatism.
00:36:22.740 That conservatism began when these people entered public life.
00:36:27.280 And it could never change.
00:36:29.200 It could never deepen.
00:36:30.860 It could never develop.
00:36:31.860 It could never refer back to perhaps even deeper sources of political thought.
00:36:39.000 And when that began to happen, when the fashionable lulbertarianism and neoconservatism of the 1990s
00:36:47.220 and 2000s began to give way to deeper understandings of conservatism,
00:36:53.340 Edmund Burke, Aristotle, the natural law, just the American tradition from the founding,
00:36:59.460 not as it was revised in children's books, but as it actually was in the 18th and 19th centuries,
00:37:06.700 as that happened, they couldn't take it.
00:37:10.240 They couldn't imagine that there was more to politics than just cutting taxes
00:37:14.700 and flooding the country with foreigners and bombing the Middle East.
00:37:18.160 And when they couldn't imagine that there was more to legal conservatism
00:37:23.120 than using a crystal ball to figure out what a handful of legislators thought in 1789.
00:37:32.840 And when their views were challenged, rather than allowing iron to sharpen iron,
00:37:39.780 they went over to the bad guys.
00:37:41.980 Not good.
00:37:42.380 So that's a real hazard of a failure of imagination.
00:37:45.960 And despite the lackluster economy, the Daily Wire is thriving.
00:37:51.480 We do not suffer from a failure of imagination over here.
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00:38:40.860 My favorite comment yesterday is from Stephanie Crowe, 7387.
00:38:46.160 It says, I wish you would do a redo of Christopher Walken's dance scene in your new office.
00:38:50.720 That's a great idea.
00:38:52.080 Here's actually a little bit of trivia.
00:38:53.940 You know, I've confessed that in my prior wayward youth of my teens and early 20s,
00:39:00.360 I was a professional actor.
00:39:02.740 And I know, listen, we've all done things we're not proud of.
00:39:06.360 Some people got addicted to heroin.
00:39:08.580 Some people participated in orgies.
00:39:11.260 I was a professional actor.
00:39:12.920 Okay, I know these are shameful things, but what can we say?
00:39:16.620 We have, people do these things.
00:39:18.640 But when I was an actor, I had the same acting teacher as Christopher Walken.
00:39:22.920 Even though Christopher Walken is much older than me, he's 80 years old.
00:39:26.200 I am not 80 years old.
00:39:27.180 But I had a teacher who at the time was 92 years old, and he was Chris Walken's teacher.
00:39:31.460 But he didn't teach me to dance as well as he apparently taught Chris.
00:39:35.860 Speaking of failures of imagination, I told you yesterday that the masks are coming back.
00:39:44.080 The lockdowns, the COVID measures, they're coming back right on time.
00:39:48.360 Two and a half years after they went away, they're coming back.
00:39:51.140 Because COVID-19 was just before the 2020 presidential election.
00:39:55.540 19 referred to 2019.
00:39:57.880 And COVID-23, right here before the 2024 election to justify an upending of all the voting rules again.
00:40:05.400 Morris Brown College has inaugurated this.
00:40:09.100 Lionsgate in Hollywood said we're bringing back the masks.
00:40:11.520 And Morris Brown College, as far as the universities go, says we're going to bring back the masks.
00:40:16.580 And here's what they said.
00:40:17.200 They said the mask mandate is a precautionary move for the next 14 days.
00:40:26.240 It's being reported by WSB-TV.
00:40:30.220 14 days.
00:40:32.060 Does that sound familiar?
00:40:34.180 Two weeks.
00:40:36.380 They're actually saying at Morris Brown College, hey, hey, hey, we're not, no, no, no.
00:40:39.980 We're not bringing the masks back.
00:40:42.380 Oh, hey, man, we're not bringing the COVID measures.
00:40:44.080 We're just, it's just two weeks to slow the spread.
00:40:47.380 Oh, shoot, we can't say two weeks.
00:40:49.340 Because then if we say two weeks, maybe they'll remember that we did this exact same thing last time.
00:40:54.260 Ah, let's say 14 days.
00:40:56.300 Yeah, yeah, they won't put two and two together.
00:40:59.780 They're not even changing the script.
00:41:02.160 They're just doing the exact thing they did during the last election.
00:41:07.200 The exact thing, to a take, even after we know the masks don't work, this has now been admitted by relevant authorities.
00:41:14.700 We now know that the social distancing was arbitrary.
00:41:17.400 I heard that from the FDA.
00:41:18.660 We now know that the vaccines didn't do what we were told they would do.
00:41:23.500 They didn't stop people from catching COVID.
00:41:24.920 They didn't stop people from spreading COVID.
00:41:26.300 We now know that a lot of the statistics we heard early on in COVID were bogus based on fake models.
00:41:31.640 We know all of that.
00:41:32.500 It was all bogus, man.
00:41:34.180 And they're doing it again.
00:41:37.120 How offensive.
00:41:38.080 It's so much more offensive than even the fact that they're trying to lock us all down again and take away our ability to run our own country.
00:41:47.840 The most offensive part is they're not even getting creative about it.
00:41:51.320 Total failure of imagination.
00:41:52.960 Speaking of scripts and going off scripts, President Biden landed in Maui.
00:41:57.520 One of the first things he says, he lands there and he makes a joke about the heat.
00:42:04.180 Can you guys catch the boots out here?
00:42:08.820 That's a hot ground, man.
00:42:11.900 Come on, everybody.
00:42:13.960 It's hot ground, man.
00:42:16.200 An estimated 480 people have been killed at the very lowest estimate and 850 are missing.
00:42:21.660 And the death toll is almost certainly well above 1,000.
00:42:24.300 Pretty hot ground, huh?
00:42:26.820 Isn't that funny?
00:42:28.800 Better wear some boots.
00:42:29.960 Then he goes on.
00:42:33.760 He's giving a speech, wearing a Hawaiian lei.
00:42:36.000 He's giving a speech.
00:42:39.260 And he has the temerity to compare the fire.
00:42:44.640 We were talking about September 11th earlier in the show.
00:42:47.600 If 1,000 people died in Maui, who knows how many?
00:42:50.740 It could have been more, by the way.
00:42:51.720 If 1,000 people died, that's a third of 9-11.
00:42:55.240 That is a third of what is considered to be the greatest tragedy in American history.
00:43:00.260 And what does Joe Biden do?
00:43:01.320 He compares it to a kitchen fire in his house.
00:43:02.900 I don't want to compare difficulties, but we have a little sense, Jill and I, what it's
00:43:10.040 like to lose a home.
00:43:12.420 Years ago, now 15 years ago, I was in Washington doing Meet the Press.
00:43:18.960 It was a sunny Sunday.
00:43:20.200 And lightning struck at home on a little lake that's outside of our home, not a lake, a big
00:43:27.180 pond, and hit a wire and came up underneath our home into the heating ducts, the air conditioning
00:43:35.780 duct.
00:43:36.840 To make a long story short, I almost lost my wife, my 67 Corvette, and my cat.
00:43:46.420 But all kidding aside, I watched the firefighters, the way they responded.
00:43:54.840 You know, there's an old expression.
00:43:57.040 I grew up right across the street from a fire hall in Claremont, Delaware.
00:44:03.200 You couldn't script this if you hired the best writers in Hollywood.
00:44:06.620 You couldn't script.
00:44:08.040 He walks up there and he says, ha-ha, yeah, I don't want to compare tragedies or whatever,
00:44:13.460 but, you know, one time I had this small kitchen fire that was very quickly contained.
00:44:18.340 But, and I know you guys lost like hundreds and hundreds of children, like whole families
00:44:22.720 burned up and, yeah, but I almost lost my Corvette.
00:44:26.560 Anyway, what is wrong with this man?
00:44:33.060 I'll tell you exactly what's wrong with him.
00:44:34.460 I know exactly what's wrong with him.
00:44:37.500 This, I want to be as charitable as I can.
00:44:39.320 You know, I don't just throw bombs.
00:44:40.460 This is an occupational hazard of politics, and Joe Biden is all politics.
00:44:46.540 He is not a living, breathing human being with flesh.
00:44:49.680 He is just a visible form of politics.
00:44:54.200 He doesn't have any thoughts.
00:44:55.560 He doesn't have any beliefs.
00:44:56.660 He doesn't have any principles.
00:44:57.880 He just does whatever he thinks the crowd will need to get him elected.
00:45:04.000 He's been in politics for the majority of his life.
00:45:08.500 He's been at the national level for over 50 years.
00:45:13.220 And Joe Biden, charitably, we would call this empathy.
00:45:17.460 Okay, this is the ability of politicians to feel compassion with their constituents, or
00:45:25.520 at least to perform compassion.
00:45:26.800 This is why when Hillary Clinton went out years ago and started putting on this fake Southern
00:45:30.740 accent, she said, I don't feel no way's tired.
00:45:33.160 I made fun of her, but I felt for her, because I don't think she did that consciously.
00:45:38.180 I think she just, that's what politicians do.
00:45:40.240 They just naturally feel some resonance with the people that they're with, and they try to
00:45:44.440 find some common ground.
00:45:45.940 So you could charitably call that empathy.
00:45:48.520 You could uncharitably call it vanity, just making everything about themselves.
00:45:53.140 But here's a good rule for solemn public speeches when you're talking about what appears to be
00:45:59.480 turning out to be the, one of the greatest tragedies in American history.
00:46:03.880 Delete the first person pronoun, the first person singular pronoun, just delete it.
00:46:10.340 I don't care you're giving a wedding toast, you're giving a eulogy, you're giving a political
00:46:14.500 speech after a tragedy, delete it.
00:46:17.820 Delete, it's not about you, man.
00:46:20.800 In Polybius's, good old ancient uncle Polybius, in his take on the cycle of regimes, the different
00:46:28.540 kinds of regimes that can decay into their bad version.
00:46:33.380 You know, you have monarchy, monarchy can be perfectly fine, there are wonderful monarchies
00:46:37.040 in the history of the world, but then the bad version is tyranny.
00:46:40.580 You've got aristocracy, that's the good version, literally means rule by the good, and then you've
00:46:47.720 got the bad version, that's oligarchy, or you've got democracy, which people have had conflicting
00:46:53.420 views on over history, but the bad version of democracy, according to our founding fathers,
00:46:56.580 would be mob rule.
00:46:58.160 Well, what's the difference?
00:46:59.120 What separates those things?
00:47:01.340 Thomas Hobbes, the author of Leviathan, one of the people who inaugurated modern political
00:47:06.640 science, one of the, probably the grandfather, we would say, of liberalism, the classical kind
00:47:12.100 and the modern kind and all of it, he would say that there's really no difference between
00:47:15.920 those things. It's just, we say, one regime is good and the other one is kind of bad.
00:47:21.020 Ours, when we do it, it's good, when other people do it, it's bad, but there's really
00:47:24.520 no substantive difference. But what Polybius would say is, what the ancient Greeks would
00:47:28.880 say is, that the good version is when the monarch or the aristocracy or the democracy are legislating
00:47:35.120 for the common good, and the bad version is when the tyrant or the oligarchy or the mob
00:47:41.240 are ruling for self-interest. And when a ruler just talks about, I, me, my, I, me, my, all
00:47:47.220 the freaking time, you know what kind of regime you're living under. The rest of the show
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