Ep. 1317 - Trump's Mugshot Means The Die Has Been Cast
Summary
In the wake of President Donald Trump's victory in the 2020 election, former Vice President Joe Biden was arrested in Georgia and charged with fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. What does this mean for the future of our political system? And why is this a good thing?
Transcript
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On the 10th of January, 49 BC, Julius Caesar led his army across the Rubicon River in Italy,
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an event he marked, according to the historian Suetonius, with three simple words,
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Iacta alia est, the die is cast, by which he meant that historical events would from then on
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proceed according to fortune and fate. Whatever happened, conflict was inevitable. The event
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could not be undone. Caesar had not only broken the law, but the entire political order. The phrase,
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according to the Greek historian Plutarch, did not originate with Caesar, and it didn't even
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originate in Rome. It went back centuries earlier to a line from the Greek playwright Menander.
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The idea, no doubt, went back centuries earlier than Menander.
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Sometimes human affairs are relatively settled, orderly, predictable. At other times,
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people upend everything, at which point nothing is predictable. At those times,
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political prognostication ceases to be useful. Everything seems up to chance.
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Last night, Democrats in Fulton County arrested the former President of the United States and the
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current leader of the opposition. They took his mugshot like a common criminal in defiance of
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centuries of tradition and the universally agreed-upon meaning of the law. Anyone, left, right, or center,
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who tells you that he knows what happens now is either woefully ignorant of history,
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which today is entirely plausible, or he's lying, which is entirely plausible too.
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What was predictable is that something like this would happen eventually.
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America is not immune to history. America is not immune to human nature.
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Fundamental political shifts have occurred since the dawn of civilization.
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No regime lasts forever. And the only certainty now is that the die has been cast.
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I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Welcome back to the show. We've got extremely astute commentary from a guy who runs a group
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called—I'm actually—I don't think I'm allowed to say on this network or in modern American society
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the title of the group that he runs. But let me say—I could say Ninjas for Trump. He runs a group
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called Ninjas for Trump. And no, this man is not Japanese. He's very much an African American. We'll
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get to that in just a moment. First, though, the prosecutions. We talked to Jenna Ellis yesterday.
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There's another guy, another friend of mine who was indicted. This is John Eastman. John Eastman,
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a great legal scholar, a former dean of Chapman Law School, very serious fellow, wonderful guy,
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who was arrested. And he saw the same historical parallel that I just saw. He says that the Rubicon
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has been crossed. It represents a crossing of the Rubicon for our country, implicating the fundamental
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First Amendment right to petition the government for redress of grievances. As troubling, it targets
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attorneys for their zealous advocacy on behalf of their clients, something attorneys are ethically
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bound to provide, and which was attempted here by formally challenging the results of the election
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through lawful and appropriate means. An opportunity never afforded them or their clients in the Fulton
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County Superior Court. Sometimes people like to compare Trump to other world historic figures.
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They might compare him to a Julius Caesar type. But in this analogy, it's not Trump who crossed the
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Rubicon. It's the Democrats who crossed the Rubicon. By which I mean, and I think John means,
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we don't know what's going to happen. Nobody is going to predict what's going to happen.
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Caesar, when he said the die is cast or let the die be cast, didn't know what was going to happen.
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Maybe the Senate was going to win. Maybe Caesar was going to win. What that statement means is that
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conflict is now inevitable. How do you go back? We have for the first time ever in the United States
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arrested a former president. That would be bad enough. But we've arrested a former president who
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happens to be the current leader of the political opposition, who's beating Donald Trump, or who's,
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I'm sorry, who's beating Joe Biden in a number of polls, general election polls, who's 40 points
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ahead of his next rival in the GOP primary, who's a very serious leader of the opposition.
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How do you go back? What happens now? Are we just going to stop arresting former presidents?
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We're just going to stop arresting opposition leaders? You can't undo that. The regime has
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fundamentally changed. And this is the inevitable consequence of the first time you might say the
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Democrats started to cross that Rubicon. And that was in 2020 when, I don't know, are we allowed to
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say this on YouTube? I'll put it this way. When the Democrats changed all of the election rules,
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in some cases, illegally and unconstitutionally, to give themselves an advantage by opening up the
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system to fraud. And then they stopped counting the votes when it looked like Trump was going to
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win. And they waited a week or two. And then magically, the Democrats started to win. That's
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how I'm going to put it. Because I want to stay on YouTube. Let's see how John Eastman puts it.
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And you won't answer on immunity from prosecution.
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Do you think that the others in this case have a standing on that? People like Meadows?
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The thing I love about John Eastman, he's a very respectful guy. He's a very amiable guy. Even
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as they're indicting him, he's pretty buoyant. And he says, yeah, the election was stolen. Now,
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let's say you don't think the election was stolen. Plenty of people don't think the election was stolen.
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He does. So then the question is, regardless of what actually happened in the election,
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what are they prosecuting him for? He sincerely believes the election was stolen. Donald Trump,
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I think, sincerely believes the election was stolen. Even if Trump didn't sincerely believe it.
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Frankly, even if John didn't sincerely believe it, every defendant has the right to legal counsel.
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They're going after Trump because he's a legal threat. And they're going after him illegally.
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And they've gone after him illegally since 2016, since the moment he announced his campaign.
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Is it really such a stretch to suspect that maybe they violated the law a little bit at their best
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opportunity to take him out? I don't think so. Speaking of taking out your political enemies,
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this is a story from a couple of days ago. There's been an update to it. So I'm glad we're getting
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to it now. Mr. Prigozhin, who's the head of the Wagner Group, or if you're fancy, the Wagner Group
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in Russia. This is the Russian mercenary group, very serious fighting force, has reportedly been killed.
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The Russian Federal Air Transport Agency has announced an investigation to determine the cause
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of this aircraft crash in which Prigozhin and 10 passengers total were killed. Now, of course,
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Yevgeny Prigozhin has been a walking dead man for quite a while since he led a coup on Moscow,
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on Vladimir Putin. Putin tends not to be so nice to people when they try to take him out.
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So we've been waiting for a stray bullet to fly into Prigozhin's window or a little polonium to make
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it into his afternoon tea. And now it looks like the plane crashed. The update to the story is a
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second airplane that Prigozhin owned was seen landing in Moscow, oddly enough. And so some are
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suspecting that he may have faked his death and he might still be alive. And you might say that's
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totally crazy. He's done it before. He did it one other time. He faked his death with an airplane
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crash. So there's a shot that he's done it again now. At first, I felt kind of bad for the other people
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who were on that plane. But then I thought, you know, I don't know, if you're flying around on a
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private plane with Prigozhin, you're a little sus. You know, you're probably up to some fairly
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dubious activities. What's the lesson for us? There is a political lesson in the plane crash and
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potential assassination of Prigozhin. There's a lesson for us here in America, which we'll talk
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take down Putin teaches us anything, it's a line popularized on the TV show The Wire. It's a line
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that goes back many centuries before that in various forms. If you come at the king, you best not miss.
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That's a lesson for everybody because Trump's rivals in the GOP race are learning that now.
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Someone like Ron DeSantis, who's an excellent governor, maybe the best governor of my lifetime,
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really amiable guy, very clear political vision, just all around terrific. I don't have enough nice
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things to say about Ron DeSantis. And yet, we are beginning to see that it was probably ill-advised
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of him to take on Donald Trump in 2024. And it's probably ill-advised because Trump is dominant. I
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suspect his poll numbers are going to go through the roof after the release of the mugshot last night.
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And now DeSantis' political career is very likely over. It's not like he can just back away now.
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He took on Trump head-on, and if you come at the king, you best not miss. Trump is learning that lesson
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too, though. Trump, unlike a lot of other squishy Republicans of the uniparty variety in recent
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decades, Trump actually threatened some of the most cherished values of our liberal ruling establishment.
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Those values would be immigration, those values would be free trade and globalization, and those values
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would be war. And Trump threatened all three of those. No matter which party won over the last 30,
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40 years, you'd get more of all three. You'd get more mass migration, more globalization, and more
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through specifically through free trade, and more war, no matter which party got elected.
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So things were simpatico. Then Trump comes in and threatens that, and they tried to kill him for it.
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I mean, they immediately, the moment he said, we're going to build a wall, we're going to stop the
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migration, we're going to renegotiate trade deals, especially on trade. That was pretty new for a
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major candidate in the Republican Party. It was a return to an older form of conservatism,
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but it was pretty new for the last 30, 40 years. They said, uh-uh, we're going to start spying on
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his campaign. We're going to cook up evidence through the fake Steele dossier. We're going to
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work with Hillary. We're going to work with the Democrats. We're going to try to take this guy out.
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We're going to do it through his entire presidency. We're going to rig the election, and then we're going
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to throw him in jail if he tries to run again. That's what they've been doing. And so Trump is
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learning that lesson, too. You come at the king, you best not miss. The stakes are very, very high.
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And if we point back and say, well, look, they'd never actually arrest a presidential candidate.
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Well, no, look, they'd never actually spy on a presidential campaign. Well, no, they'd never
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actually persecute people for simply voicing their support and their political dissent. Why? No,
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they'd never arrest lawyers just for representing their clients. They'd never, they'd never, they
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never is gone, guys. We are in uncharted territory. So people are defending Trump. A lot of people are
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outraged by the obvious injustice. And one of those people leads a group that I'm not allowed to,
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I don't think I'm allowed to say it on the air. Probably not even allowed to say it in private
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company, even though it's, it's a word that has a soft R, not a hard R. So it's a word that you hear
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in the popular culture. So I'm just going to say ninjas for Trump is the group that he leads. A lot
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of supporters going down into Fulton County, expressing their support for Trump as he was
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booked last night. Well, here is, to my mind, I'm not being ironic or sarcastic in any way. Here is one
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of the most articulate defenses of Trump and clear-eyed views of political philosophy I have
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heard from a viral character in years. I'm here to support President Trump. You want to know why I'm
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here to support President Trump? Because they done did black men like this for decades, make up charges
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and put on, so I know Trump is innocent. I support Trump against this corrupt, two-tiered justice system.
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That's why I'm here to show my support as a black man for Trump. And I'm wearing my shirt
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and for Trump 2024, and I mean that. What do you think about the indictment?
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Oh, it's a bunch of bulls**t. It's going around the country. You know, Fanny, Fanny Willis,
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she's a, she went to school with my sister, so she's full of s**t. She was full of s**t then.
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So she's a puppet for the white liberal that is controlling everything. She's in front,
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but the white liberal back there pulling those strings, telling her what to do.
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That's what I think about her, making a fool of herself.
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Of course it is. It's going to elevate him out of the way. I think we should make Trump king.
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Wouldn't that be like, kind of like communistic?
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No, there's no way near communist. No, we're just going to make him king,
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but we still got our freedoms and rights and everything. He fought that. Yeah, Trump for king 2024.
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This guy, I'm not joking. Do not think that I am in any way being ironic. This guy is smarter
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and more insightful and has a clearer view of political philosophy than 97% of the chattering
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class, probably more, 98 or 99%. His name is Derek Gibson. He ran for governor of New York. I think
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he's running for Congress right now. This guy is smart and he connects with people because he is
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able to speak in a way that's entertaining and so he can go viral. Think about what he said there,
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even just at the end when he said, I think we should make Trump king. And the woman laughs and she
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isn't that kind of communistic. And all of a sudden the joke kind of stops and he looks at her and he
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says, wait, what? Being a king is communistic? Do you not know anything about regime and political
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philosophy? Who on earth would say that monarchy is communistic? Good grief, lady. Not everything
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that isn't 1982 style liberalism is communist. Good grief. No. What does he say? He says, no,
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it's not. Monarchies have existed for all of human history. Communism has been around for about 200
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years. No, there are some differences. Communists tend to subvert monarchies too, by the way. You know
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how the communists have overthrown a number of monarchies or attempted to overthrow a number of
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monarchies? The Bolsheviks, I don't think that the monarch of Russia, I don't think Tsar Nicholas
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said, oh, wonderful. My fellow communists come in and kill my family. What are you talking about?
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He says, no, it's not. He says, it's not communistic. We'll still have our freedoms and our rights.
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He'll just be the king. And he's joking, obviously, but he's not joking about monarchy. There have been
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many monarchies throughout history that are much more free and are much better at protecting people's
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rights than supposed democracies. There have been many monarchies throughout history that are much
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more free, that are much better at protecting people's rights than our supposed democracy right
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now. Here's exhibit A. They're arresting all the dissidents and the lawyers simply for representing
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the opposition leader who they're arresting too. So preposterous. There's a very shallow liberal view
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that the only kind of regime that could ever possibly be good or legitimate is
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democracy in the year of our Lord, 2023. Because a lot of these people will say, oh,
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even democracy 20 years ago was evil. It was oppressive. We didn't have all sorts of rainbow
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flags everywhere. It was awful. Give me a break. Going back to Polybius, we know. There are good
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monarchies. The bad version of monarchy is tyranny, but that's just where the one man ruling is ruling
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for himself rather than the common good. There are good aristocracies. There's bad versions called
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oligarchy. And there have been perfectly lovely democracies, but there's a bad version called mob
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rule. Where are we right now? But then getting to the first part of his political commentary,
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Mr. Gibson's, he says, when he's asked, what do you think of the charges here? Do you think there's
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any merit to the charges? He goes, ah, they're a bunch of BS. That is the only response I want to
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hear when the legal case against Donald Trump is brought up. Because it's not a genuine legal case.
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None of this is being done in good faith. None of this is sincere. It's obviously a bunch of BS.
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The proof of that is, one, they don't ever prosecute Democrats who, even in recent memory,
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have committed much more egregious versions of the supposed crime that Donald Trump committed.
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But furthermore, they'd get him for eating a ham sandwich. They impeached him for being pro-Russia,
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allegedly. They impeached him for being pro-Ukraine, allegedly. They impeached him,
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or they investigated him for being pro-Russia. They impeached him for being pro-Ukraine,
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allegedly. They said that he's an insurrectionist. They said that he had an in-kind donation to his
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own campaign by sleeping with a porn star or something. They said that he raped a woman in
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Bergdorf Goodman's 30 years ago, even though she fantasized about how wonderful this would have been.
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And there's no evidence that Trump has ever spent more than five seconds with this lady.
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It's just such obvious BS, and I just don't want to hear it from the chattering class.
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Well, actually, if you look at the case against Donald Trump, actually, in paragraph four,
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it says that he actually might, we should probably start imprisoning the political opposition.
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Give me a freaking break, man. Check your clock and know what time it is.
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Give me, I just don't want to hear it. You hear this from very serious people,
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even Bill Barr, who I still have a considerable degree of respect for, at least as a political
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thinker, political operator, to say, well, this case is serious, and this case is less serious.
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It's all a freaking witch hunt, man. Molly Hemingway made this point. You know,
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Stalin got his convictions, okay? Fidel Castro got his convictions. Chairman Mao got his convictions.
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They got their convictions through show trials of political enemies, which is exactly what we've
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got right now. I wish we could replace our elite, chattering political class with Derek Gibson,
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leader of ninjas for Trump. He's a much more serious and clear-minded thinker.
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practices, they're often scoffed at or demonized by the libs, but not all of them.
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The libs like to go back to really old practices, like really old occult demonic practices, the
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mystical practices of healing medicine and clairvoyance and opening doors in for demons
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and stuff, all in vogue for the libs. Is it all fake? Is it just a fantasy? Or is there something
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more to it? Well, my guest, Jen Nizza, Nizza, if you were to pronounce it in the Italian way,
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This episode comes out this Saturday. You do not want to miss it. Be sure to check out the ad-free
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unedited version exclusively on Twitter at M. Knowles Show and Daily Wire Plus. My favorite comment
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yesterday is from Elberg Galarga8909, what a name, who says, Mike Pence looks like he's playing a
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Republican president in a movie written by a Democrat. That is really specific and really spot on. And
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it's kind of a compliment to Pence, actually, in a way. Because in these Aaron Sorkin-type movies,
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the Republican president-type, they're usually not evil. They're usually not Hitlerian figures or
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demonic figures. They're usually just like really stuffy, you know, really stuffy and straight-laced.
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And they're not. And whereas the Democrat, it's always, he's free-spirited and open-minded man.
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And he's just fighting for the people. And the Republican's really stuffy. But I don't know,
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in our culture, which is so extremely free-spirited these days, perhaps we could use a little
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stuffiness. That wouldn't be so bad. Speaking of attacks on political dissidents,
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America's evil top hat, Canada, is going after our friend Jordan Peterson. Why are they going after
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Peterson? Well, they're trying to censor him. A Canadian court is backing this psychologist
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organization, the College of Psychologists of Ontario, which has embraced radical—I'm going
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to have to bleep this one on YouTube, guys—radical transgender theory. And because Jordan understands
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that men are not women, they're trying to take his license away. They're trying to go after him.
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And the Ontario Superior Court of Justice has ordered Jordan to pay $25,000 to the College
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of Psychologists and upheld the order that he go through a social media education program.
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There was a headline. You've got to see this headline. I just saw it pop up. I'm just going
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to pull it up on my phone. I hate to have my phone out, just generally. But this headline
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really spoke to me. This was, yeah, this is a headline about Carlos Santana. Carlos Santana
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goes on most insane anti-transgender rant during concert. This is an article by Aidan Vaziri.
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What was the insane rant? This is the first paragraph of the article. Carlos Santana delivered
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a speech laced with anti-transgender remarks during a recent performance in Atlantic City, New Jersey,
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telling the audience, quote, a woman is a woman and a man is a man.
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Insane! Can you believe this guy? What a total nut. What a wacko. Totally insane.
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That article is what they're going after Jordan for. This Jordan Peterson, he's gone totally insane.
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He's stating a basic truth. Why are they going after him? They're going after Jordan because he is
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effective. They're going after Jordan because unlike most people who come from the academy,
00:25:04.220
most people even who are clinical psychologists, Jordan is reaching millions and millions and
00:25:09.540
millions of people. They can't have that because he's reaching millions and millions and millions
00:25:15.020
of people and telling them really basic things about how to improve their lives.
00:25:19.000
We make fun of him because he says, well, make your bed, you know, clean up your room. And we laugh
00:25:24.740
about this. The funny thing is that such basic advice needs to be stated out loud. That's how
00:25:32.040
confused our culture is. And the libs don't like that. So they're trying to make an example of him.
00:25:38.060
They're trying to not just go after Jordan, who it doesn't really affect. I don't think Jordan is
00:25:43.320
taking all that many clients these days. He's traveling around the world giving speeches and writing books
00:25:47.120
and doing movies. This is a message for the other psychologists who dare to contradict the prevailing
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Why are people turning to psychologists so much these days? Why are people turning into Jordan
00:26:42.520
so much? People are anxious, okay? They're so anxious that now, according to the Wall Street
00:26:50.300
Journal, nearly three patients in 100 who entered a healthcare facility left with a newly diagnosed
00:26:58.460
anxiety disorder. That rate is higher than cancer or diabetes, according to Truveta, which is a healthcare
00:27:05.160
and analytics company. 40% of people who take the most popular antidepressants for anxiety disorders,
00:27:12.480
because this is what the psychiatrists do, not the psychologists who do cognitive behavioral stuff.
00:27:17.460
We're talking about the drug dealers who just say, oh, you don't like your mom? Here, get high.
00:27:22.260
Take this drug, and then you'll feel better. 40% of people who take those drugs receive little benefit,
00:27:28.260
according to this study. Some need to stop the medications because they have awful side effects.
00:27:33.300
And by the way, that 40% number who receive little benefit, that means that there's 60% who get
00:27:39.820
some benefit. That 60% number of those is probably inflated, because research suggests that some of
00:27:44.840
the benefits of antidepressants are just placebo. So people pop the pill, and they think that they're
00:27:49.400
supposed to feel better, and they do. So even to say that 60% of people get some benefit from these
00:27:53.760
drugs, probably overstating it. Why are people so anxious? Whole host of reasons. Obviously,
00:28:03.300
the most fundamental reason when we're talking about any aspect of the human condition is going to be
00:28:08.240
a religious problem, because religion forms the basis of our belief about everything. Everything
00:28:16.500
flows from there. Our views of anthropology, our views of epistemology, our views of morality,
00:28:21.400
our views of politics. Everything comes from the fundamental question, who's God? Is there a God?
00:28:27.720
Is there meaning? What does it mean to be? What is even ontology? What does it mean to be? Comes
00:28:32.860
from theology. So that's the first one. But then there are just these political issues, which is
00:28:37.800
things are unsettled. I don't think you need to go pie in the sky, really abstract, to get to the heart
00:28:43.860
of why we're anxious now. We're anxious because our entire way of life is unsettled. We're anxious
00:28:50.140
because the ruling class can arrest the opposition leader and his lawyers and his friends just for
00:28:55.440
supporting him. We're anxious because the meaning of marriage has completely been exploded.
00:29:01.280
We're anxious because our economy is completely up in the air and we can't reliably make any money.
00:29:09.660
And even if we can reliably make money, most people are going to be saddled with a ton of debt
00:29:13.960
with no end in sight. We're anxious because inflation is going through the roof and we can't afford eggs,
00:29:19.680
especially I can't afford eggs because my wife wants to buy $50 eggs where they have three college
00:29:23.700
degrees. We are saddled with mountains and mountains of debt. We've got increasing
00:29:28.660
turmoil around the world, the potential of World War III. No wonder people are anxious.
00:29:36.040
This is a problem of not being settled. And some things fly out of our control. We talked at the
00:29:41.980
top of the show about crossing the Rubicon. And at a certain point, you feel as though your future is
00:29:47.960
up to chance. But we can settle certain things. We didn't need to explode the meaning of marriage.
00:29:53.740
We don't need to ply our country with all sorts of vice that turns us all into maniacs like drugs
00:29:59.560
and porn and all the rest of it. We don't need to open up our borders and let foreigners come into
00:30:04.920
the tune of three and a half, four and a half million a year. We don't need to let criminals off
00:30:09.480
the hook. We don't need to do any of that. Okay. And this is why I often extol the virtues of a tiny
00:30:15.580
little nation over in central Eastern Europe. That would be Hungary. What Hungary has done,
00:30:20.160
Hungary has gone through a lot of turmoil, 45 years of communist oppression. Hungary has made a very
00:30:26.020
concerted effort to settle things, to settle things in a way that is quite traditional, that people can
00:30:31.280
rely on. They just celebrated the anniversary of St. Stephen Day, the beginning of their country,
00:30:37.240
founded on the crown of St. Stephen over a thousand years ago. We are not going to fix the anxiety
00:30:46.160
pandemic, the real pandemic, by continuing to innovate and reinvent the wheel and invent 10 more
00:30:53.980
sexual identities and rewrite the constitution and rewrite all of our laws. We're going to
00:31:00.600
fix the anxiety epidemic. Here's the best advice. You don't need to spend a billion dollars on
00:31:07.220
your psychiatrist. I'm going to give you the advice right now. We're going to fix it by being
00:31:10.860
normal. Just endeavor to be normal and do normal things. It will help you quite a lot. Another
00:31:16.440
reason people are anxious, by the way, I'll have to tease this. This is going to be my tease until
00:31:20.520
Monday. You know I'm such a tease. Homes are shrinking. We talk about how the liberals want to make us all
00:31:26.940
eat the bugs and live in the pods and own nothing and be happy. Well, here's that second one in action.
00:31:34.180
Headline, goodbye, bathtub and living room. America's homes are shrinking. They're shrinking
00:31:38.480
considerably. We've seen a lot of shrinkflation recently. You go to the grocery store and instead
00:31:45.040
of getting 12 ounces in your jar of sauce, you're going to get eight ounces and you're going to see
00:31:51.180
things start to shrink. Well, homes are shrinking too. The whole civilization is shrinking. Families,
00:31:56.380
children, countries, it's all shrinking. Well, we'll get to that. Hopefully we don't shrink down to
00:32:00.460
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Hey, Mike. I was just laid off from my job doing spreadsheets at a widget factory, so I'm applying
00:33:13.820
to other jobs at other widget factories. And it's been a while since I've done a job application. I've
00:33:18.980
been at this widget factory for almost seven years. And I'm finding that the standard relevant
00:33:25.200
information that they need to know is updated to not only include your employment history and your
00:33:30.620
skills, but also your sexual orientation. So my question is, is it wrong to check the box to say
00:33:38.040
I'm queer or asexual or something like that? I don't want to lie to an employer, but I know that my
00:33:43.800
application is probably at a disadvantage if they see that I'm a straight white male versus maybe an
00:33:48.980
asexual white male. Curious on your thoughts. If you need to pretend to be sexually deviant to get a
00:33:59.840
job, and then you get that job, do you really think you're going to thrive and flourish at that
00:34:06.620
company? I don't know. I see the temptation now. It's like the temptation of a kid wanting to check
00:34:14.280
off that he's a racial minority on a college application because he knows white people get
00:34:19.140
discriminated against. This one, though, is, you can at least say, well, you know, my great, great,
00:34:25.020
great, great, great grandma had high cheekbones and might have been a quarter Apache or something.
00:34:30.360
And this one, though, you can't even write this off to the mists of time and genealogy because you
00:34:38.020
know whether you're a little light in the loafers or not. You know if you think you're the opposite
00:34:43.460
sex or not, and so you would be lying. So it's always wrong to lie. The ends do not,
00:34:49.380
good ends do not justify immoral means. But just at a practical level, if your company,
00:34:55.540
if this company that you're applying to will only hire you if you pretend to be Liberace or, you know,
00:35:00.180
if you do a drag show on casual Fridays, that's not a company that you're going to want to work for.
00:35:05.880
I'm not saying you don't need money. People got to get a job, but there are better ways to make
00:35:10.960
money than that. Next question. Hey, movie star Mike, it's the Shuckmeister. I've got a question
00:35:16.920
about your favorite movie, Me, Myself, and Irene, which I just watched for the first time a few
00:35:21.340
weeks ago. Recently on Music Monday, you mentioned a scene from the Blues Brothers, which is actually
00:35:26.000
my favorite movie because it's an absurdist comedy with Catholic undertones set near where I grew up.
00:35:31.040
I was wondering, though, why is Me, Myself, and Irene your favorite movie other than it being an
00:35:36.440
absurdist comedy with Catholic undertones set near where you grew up? I want a Roger Ebert-esque
00:35:41.540
response because this film was much raunchier than I expected for such a trad person like yourself.
00:35:46.900
Love the show. Thanks. Thank you. Great question. It's very raunchy. I wouldn't recommend it. I mean,
00:35:52.920
I think I saw it when I was about nine years old or 10 years old, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend
00:35:57.340
it for young audiences. But to your point, you say, well, it's this absurdist movie with Catholic
00:36:05.200
undertones. You might even just say with traditional wholesome undertones. Oddly enough,
00:36:11.140
for a movie that uses all sorts of vulgar language and has all sorts of vulgar images in it,
00:36:15.680
it's oddly wholesome. The point of the movie is pretty wholesome. It's very funny. It's just funny
00:36:22.200
at every single step of the way. But in being so hilarious, which is what I'm looking for in these
00:36:32.260
kinds of comedies, it actually gets across a message that is pretty conservative and normal
00:36:38.880
and true. If you took out all of the individual vulgar elements and you just replace them with
00:36:44.700
a wholesome alternative, then the story of the movie would be very conservative, would be very
00:36:53.620
trad. But it's just so funny. It's Jim Carrey's best work by far. I just love it.
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Dirty Mike, what's up, baby? This is Tyler or Halo in your chat. Hey, I've got a quick question about an
00:37:22.120
ethical principle you talk about on the show in which immoral means are never justified by positive
00:37:27.760
outcomes. I was wondering if you could elaborate on the principle in general, but I've got two
00:37:31.600
specific examples I could think of. One involves politics and how Mitch McConnell
00:37:35.900
slowed things down in Trump's first Supreme Court nominee so that Trump could get that nominee appointed
00:37:41.620
after the election and Obama wasn't able to do it. And yet in the most recent example,
00:37:46.120
Mitch McConnell sped things up so that Trump could get the last Supreme Court nominee in
00:37:50.440
before Biden was elected. Only one of these seems to be the true way to go. So it seems immoral
00:37:56.080
for him to support both. And yet this led to Roe v. Wade being overturned, which was obviously very
00:38:00.560
good. Another example involves the Second Amendment. I heard of a case last year where an individual
00:38:04.940
carried a firearm into a shopping mall where firearms were banned, and yet he was able to stop
00:38:09.200
a mass shooting. So is it ever justified to use immoral means for a positive outcome?
00:38:15.040
Yeah, it's never justified to commit evil for a preferred good outcome. In the case of Mitch
00:38:25.020
McConnell, I guess I would just ask, what is the immoral action that he committed? You're saying
00:38:30.540
that for the Scalia vacancy, he dragged the process out to wait until Trump got elected so that they
00:38:38.540
could put a conservative judge in. But then in another case, he sped the process up also so that
00:38:46.060
Trump could put a conservative judge in. But speeding up or slowing down the process of a judicial
00:38:54.140
nomination has nothing to do with morality or immorality. If he refused to do it entirely or if
00:39:03.280
he, I don't know if he lied or cheated or just, but he didn't do any of that. He just, he just used
00:39:09.020
tactics that were neither moral nor immoral. They were, they were totally at his disposal. And
00:39:14.540
ultimately, I think they were probably the, if they were either moral or immoral, I think they were on
00:39:19.700
the side of morality because they, they were conducive to a good end without committing any evil
00:39:25.180
in the process. Um, now in the case of, what was your second example? The, uh, can we go back to
00:39:34.840
the second? I didn't hear it. What was the second example? We play that again? Oh, the, the mall
00:39:41.780
shooter. So a guy, a guy's not supposed to bring a gun into a shopping mall, but he does. And then
00:39:46.220
another guy brings a gun in and so he shoots the guy. Uh, that's a happy outcome, but he did still
00:39:51.180
break the law by taking the gun into the shopping mall. He couldn't have known. I mean, the odds
00:39:55.820
that there would be a shooting in a shopping mall are infinitesimally small. Uh, if everybody just
00:40:01.640
broke the law and brought their guns into shopping malls, they're in this particular place, which is
00:40:07.840
probably a very liberal place where people don't have good gun discipline, bad things could happen.
00:40:12.060
And if everybody just violated the law willy nilly, we'd have anarchy about. So I don't think that is
00:40:17.260
justified though. We are reminded that God can turn bad things to good and, and frequently does.
00:40:23.600
And that's what providence is. I hope that clears it up to the, to the broader point you ask, where
00:40:28.780
does this view come from that good ends don't justify bad means? It's just different, different
00:40:31.940
approaches to ethics. You know, one that prevails today is called consequentialist ethics, which is
00:40:36.560
that the morality of an action is, is dependent entirely on the consequence. Uh, there are other
00:40:43.520
visions of ethics, deontological ethics, you know, like Kant and, uh, you know, the idea that the,
00:40:49.980
it's the action itself that, that determines the morality, uh, regardless of the consequence
00:40:54.100
and virtue ethics, you know, going back to good old uncle Aristotle, which is, has come much more
00:40:58.220
into fashion again in recent years. So, uh, I hope that helps.
00:41:03.440
Michael, long-term fan of yours. Thanks for all you do. Yesterday, I went to the dentist of all places
00:41:09.760
and everything was going swimmingly. The x-rays, meeting the doctor, everything seemed normal
00:41:14.740
until I went to go for my cleaning. To my surprise, the dental hygienist was a trans,
00:41:21.060
a man with long fingernails and with a female name. He was clearly taking hormones, which was made
00:41:28.800
obvious by the severe facial acne. I let him continue to do the cleaning, but I kept reliving the moment,
00:41:35.960
wondering what I should have done. It honestly felt like a bad dream. Michael, tell me, should I have
00:41:43.420
run? What would you have done? Thanks for your wisdom. Good question. I would not have run,
00:41:49.340
especially if it were something relatively minor, just like a teeth cleaning. I would have stuck it
00:41:55.920
out probably and just been polite, but I wouldn't go back to that dentist because that dentist is hiring
00:42:02.440
crazy people to perform procedures on patients, which is extremely irresponsible, both to the
00:42:09.040
confused guy who thinks he's a chick and certainly for the patients. It's very irresponsible.
00:42:15.780
So no, if you have a defect of perception that is so severe that you don't know what sex you are,
00:42:23.880
or conversely, if you have a defect of will and desire so severe that your will is so perverted
00:42:34.040
that you would ignore reality to pursue a fantasy such as that, then I don't want you operating on me
00:42:44.480
in any way. I want you to get the help that you need to be back into society in a way that's
00:42:51.160
conducive to your flourishing and social flourishing. So I wouldn't go back. And then maybe
00:42:56.200
after a while, a dentist will get the message that you got to hire people who have their wits
00:43:01.980
about them, who are able to exercise even their most basic faculties of reason when we're talking
00:43:10.480
about patients' health. Okay. Before we get to the membrane segmentum, we can actually get to a
00:43:15.520
written mailbag today. This is from Jason. Good afternoon. The love guru of the Daily Wire.
00:43:26.740
I have a question about a relationship I'm in. I recently found out that the girl I am with and
00:43:32.240
love had a sexual past with some of my high school classmates who are still distantly in my social
00:43:36.840
circle. Well, I don't want to judge her for her past. I can't stop myself from being angry that they
00:43:42.200
took advantage of her in that intimate way. This has honestly bothered me to the point of me thinking
00:43:46.980
about breaking it off. Am I wrong to be feeling this way? How can I get past it? Thanks. Well,
00:43:52.740
you're writing this in a really chivalrous way, but your problem is not that your social circle from
00:43:59.660
high school, you know, your former classmates took advantage of this poor girl. The problem you have is
00:44:05.020
that she willingly slept with them, right? Unless it was a real violation or something. That's really
00:44:12.180
what's bothering you is that her will, which like the will of virtually every young person,
00:44:18.080
certainly a great deal of them, was a little out of whack with reason, did this and you got to live
00:44:23.500
with it. So that's bugging you. And I would say if you can get over it, then just get over it.
00:44:29.840
You know, we've all sinned, all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It matters, you know,
00:44:35.560
how she is now, how her conduct is now, where her aim is now, where she's going. You know, the saints
00:44:43.460
did not all start well, but they all ended well. So if you can get over it, then get over it. If you
00:44:47.940
can't, if that's just too much of a hangup, and I get it, because it's not even like you're saying
00:44:52.980
in the abstract, I know this woman slept with a lot of guys, but, you know, look, I don't know these
00:44:57.280
guys, I don't know what their faces look like, I don't care, I'm never going to meet these guys.
00:45:00.160
But in this case, you're saying, well, I know them, you know, they were, we were in math class
00:45:03.500
together, and I can't get it out of my head. If you can't get it out of your head, if you're going
00:45:08.240
to be resentful about this, just break up with her. It's going to be better for her, it's going to be
00:45:13.420
better for you, if you can't get over it. If you can get over it, if you say, look, reasonably,
00:45:21.660
this girl did some things, maybe I did some things, maybe I did some things I shouldn't have
00:45:26.540
done, and okay, we're going to just call it there and move on into the future, then I think that's
00:45:33.040
fine. I don't think, you know, there's any particularly compelling reason for you to dump
00:45:37.540
the poor girl, but unless you can't get over it, in which case you're just going to build up that
00:45:41.860
resentment and hold a grudge for the rest of your life, that's not good for anybody. The rest of the
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