The Michael Knowles Show - September 07, 2023


Ep. 1325 - The Not-So-Secret Sex Life of Barack Obama

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Proud Boys initiation rituals masks in schools
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Donald Trump Barack Obama Stephen Avery Mike Pence Joe Biden Alec Baldwin Anderson Teresa Hallbuck Larry Sinclair Brett Kavanaugh Matthew Shepard Candace Owens Good Ranchers Fauci Christine Blasey Ford John F. Kennedy Bergdorf Goodman Nicolas Chauvin Clarence Thomas Enrique Tarrio and 8 more
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Is Barack Obama a gay crackhead? According to Larry Sinclair, a recent guest on Tucker's show who claims to have firsthand knowledge of Obama s proclivity for both drugs and homoerotic fantasies, the answer might surprise you.

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00:00:00.000 Is Barack Obama a gay crackhead? He is, according to Larry Sinclair, a recent guest on Tucker's show 1.00
00:00:07.200 who claims to have firsthand, as it were, knowledge of Obama's proclivity for both
00:00:14.040 drugs and friends of Dorothy. You're just a guy who's in town for the night and it sounds like
00:00:20.380 you're looking to party. Yeah. Pulled up in a bar outside and there's this guy that's introduced to
00:00:26.260 me as Barack Obama. I had given Barack $250 to pay for coke. I start putting a line on a CD tray to
00:00:34.040 snort and next thing I know he's got a little pipe and he's smoking. So I just started rubbing my hand
00:00:40.060 along his thigh to see where it was going and it went the direction I had intended it to go. Even
00:00:45.840 though you had sex with him twice, you did cocaine with him, watched him smoke crack twice, you had no 0.77
00:00:49.960 idea who he was. I had no idea who he was. You just asked the obvious question, what was Obama like on 0.77
00:00:54.400 crack? Is it your sense that that's who Obama is, just transactional or that he's bisexual or like
00:01:00.060 what is this? It definitely wasn't Barack's first time and I would almost be willing to bet you it
00:01:04.440 wasn't as long. The guy's running for president and credible information comes out that he's smoking
00:01:10.360 crack and having sex with dudes. That seems like a story. Well, it would be a story if the media really 0.99
00:01:16.120 cared about telling people the truth. Now, I'm not saying the man is credible, but I will say
00:01:25.560 he sounds a lot more credible than Christine Blasey Ford, who accused Justice Brett Kavanaugh of trying
00:01:32.380 to rape her when they were 15 or something. He sounds a lot more credible than that Bergdorf Goodman lady 0.58
00:01:38.060 who said that Trump ravished her in a department store dressing room. In both of those cases,
00:01:43.720 their stories kept changing. And in the case of Ford, there's no evidence she ever even met Kavanaugh.
00:01:49.940 In the case of Larry Sinclair, he's been keeping his story straight. Well, not exactly straight,
00:01:54.600 obviously, but his story consistent since 2007, which raises another question.
00:02:01.940 Larry Sinclair has been telling his story since 2007. So why are people only talking about it now?
00:02:08.540 In part, you might say, it's because Obama's long out of office, so the media no longer feel the need
00:02:16.340 to protect him. Maybe. But the media still love Obama. They still carry water for him all the time.
00:02:23.040 That's not why this conspiracy theory is finally being discussed more seriously. What's changed is
00:02:28.920 not how the media view Barack Obama. What's changed is how we view conspiracy theories,
00:02:35.460 since so many of them have come true. Today, unlike in 2007, we know that there actually is
00:02:44.260 an elite pedophile ring comprising some of the most prominent people on earth.
00:02:49.480 They even have their own island. We've seen the pictures of it. We know that the virus that served 0.73
00:02:54.560 as a pretext to shut down the world almost certainly did leak from a biolab, contrary to what we were told
00:03:00.940 at the time. That was a conspiracy theory, remember? We know that the measures imposed
00:03:04.940 on us to fight that virus were pretty much all bogus, ineffective when they weren't outright
00:03:10.220 harmful and intentionally dishonest. We know that the DOJ used made-up evidence to spy on Donald Trump's
00:03:17.200 campaign. We know that the FBI just this past year was spying on Catholic parishes and then lying about
00:03:22.640 it. We know that the CIA had a relationship with John F. Kennedy's assassin. We even now know that
00:03:28.720 they actually were turning the frickin' frogs gay. So is it really such a stretch to believe that the 0.97
00:03:36.540 effete politician who admitted in writing his penchant for cocaine and homoerotic fantasies 0.94
00:03:43.000 might have done some weird drug and sex stuff with the guy in Chicago?
00:03:48.500 I'm not saying I believe it. But at this point, there is very little that would surprise me.
00:03:57.620 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:04:37.920 Trump again. This time, a liberal group is filing a 14th Amendment lawsuit to keep Trump off the ballot
00:04:45.000 in Colorado. Because, you know, Trump, he could never win. No one would ever vote for Trump. That's
00:04:48.760 why they're trying to take him off the ballot. We'll get to that in just a moment. First, though,
00:04:52.420 speaking of male camaraderie, the liberals are throwing the Proud Boys in prison for decades.
00:04:59.200 These are people who walked around the Capitol on January 6th, the worst day in the history of the
00:05:04.560 world, the day when the light of democracy was almost snuffed out forever. These are people who,
00:05:09.860 I'm not saying they didn't make a nuisance of themselves. I'm not saying they weren't a little bit
00:05:12.860 rowdy, but compared to what the liberals have done, the environmental activists, the BLM activists,
00:05:17.460 Antifa, compared to those guys who have nary gotten a slap on the wrist, what the Proud Boys and the
00:05:23.260 rest of the January 6thers did is child's play. And they had the book thrown at them. While the BLM
00:05:29.620 rioters who burned down cities, who killed people, who looted coast to coast, many of them were dismissed
00:05:37.980 even without a warning. You know, they just had the charges dropped. The Proud Boys now are going
00:05:43.360 to prison for, what, 10 years, 17 years. In the case of the leader, Enrique Tarria, who wasn't even
00:05:47.700 in D.C. on January 6th, he's got 22 years in prison for the seditious conspiracy to, I don't know,
00:05:55.580 go take a photo with Nancy Pelosi's lectern. I don't know, the seditious, treasonous conspiracy,
00:05:59.760 the very near coup d'etat that involved cracking a Coors Light in the Capitol Rotunda.
00:06:04.120 These must be the worst insurrectionists in the history of America because they didn't bring
00:06:08.620 any weapons. I don't know what they thought was going to happen. I don't know what the liberals
00:06:12.480 thought that the supposed insurrectionists were going to do. But more is coming out about the
00:06:16.880 Proud Boys. The liberals hate the Proud Boys. They say they're the worst terrorist group in America.
00:06:22.840 And the Daily Star has found out about the Proud Boys' initiation rituals. And they say,
00:06:30.440 these are the far-right Proud Boys' sick initiation rituals, strict rules concerning 0.98
00:06:37.660 depraved sexual acts that one performs alone, and violence. That's okay. The sick initiation 0.99
00:06:45.240 rituals, the strict rules around sexual acts. Okay, well, what are they? What are they? This is what 0.94
00:06:52.220 the liberals find so repulsive, horrific, terrifying that they've got to lock these guys away for two
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00:08:07.460 With Helix, better sleep starts now. The Daily Star has taken a deep dive into the Proud Boys' downright
00:08:15.160 weird doctrine from its twisted rituals and West is best mentality to its no, I don't want to say this 0.68
00:08:24.480 on air, no sex alone with yourself decree. Okay, so this is what they say. It's weird, twisted. They say
00:08:34.020 the West is best mentality. So if you believe that Western civilization is good, perhaps better than
00:08:39.180 other civilizations. That's sick. That's twisted, according to the Daily Star. Nothing seems 0.93
00:08:44.340 particularly out of the blue with the first stage being to recite the oath. I'm a proud Western
00:08:48.120 chauvinist. I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world. Okay, this term is obviously tongue
00:08:53.780 in cheek because the word chauvinism comes from Nicolas Chauvin, this French soldier, maybe legendary
00:09:00.200 French soldier who was gutted and chopped up and torn up and killed so many times for the French army,
00:09:06.820 but he kept going out there to fight. Nothing could possibly stop him from the battle. So it's
00:09:11.720 a term that refers to excessive love and pride, and it's a caricature in itself. And the Proud Boys,
00:09:20.060 being a fraternity for older fellas, a fraternity for guys in their 30s,
00:09:25.960 obviously take part in this kind of hyperbole. So that's obviously hyperbole. I refuse to apologize
00:09:31.500 for creating the modern world. Frankly, if there's anything that I object to in the Proud Boys
00:09:36.760 initiation ritual, it's the refusal to apologize for making the modern world because the modern
00:09:42.240 world is pretty messed up. But anyway, obviously this is just a almost entirely unobjectionable
00:09:47.640 sentence. Next, a group of helmet-wearing thugs pummel the pledger until they can name five breakfast
00:09:54.920 cereals. This is just hazing. This is just what they do in fraternities. It's not, they're trying
00:10:04.020 to make this out as some kind of dark, insane, skinhead, neo-Nazi group. This is the sort of 0.99
00:10:10.300 thing that you do freshman year in college when you're initiated into a fraternity. And the guys
00:10:15.720 come out and they're kind of beating you up a little bit. And they say, you got to say, come on,
00:10:18.560 Fruit Loops, Cheerios. Come on, no, I can't. It hurts. Come on, guys. This is really,
00:10:22.900 really basic stuff. And of course, writes the Daily Story, you've got to be an alpha male and
00:10:28.200 renounce the cancer of feminism. Yeah, feminism's a cancer. It's awful. It's ruined society. It's 1.00
00:10:34.500 the cause of a number of social problems. It's also a symptom of some social decay.
00:10:39.440 It's made women miserable. It's made men miserable. Yeah, total common sense. And being a man requires 0.81
00:10:45.340 four things. The group's original founder, Gavin McGinnis, previously said, you have to have had a
00:10:49.640 broken heart. You have to break someone's heart. You have to beat the SHIT out of someone and you
00:10:55.600 have to have the SHIT beaten out of you. That's pretty much true. It's sad that that is the process 1.00
00:11:05.700 of becoming a man. If you can, avoid breaking someone's heart. If you can, it's bad to break
00:11:11.340 someone's heart. So avoid it if you can. It's a fallen world and most of us do it. If you can,
00:11:16.260 avoid having your heart broken. But you're not going to be able to do that. If you can,
00:11:21.220 avoid beating the SHIT out of someone. But maybe you're going to have to. Sometimes you've got to 0.99
00:11:24.760 stand up for yourself. And it is a part of growing up to get the SHIT beaten out of you. 1.00
00:11:31.520 Figuratively, literally, or both. Usually both. Once you've had the Proud Boys tattoo etched on your arm, 1.00
00:11:38.600 then you pop on the uniform, which consists of a black and yellow Fred Perry polo shirt. So even
00:11:43.640 the uniform is kind of ironic and a little bit hipster. And it's just a plain, it's a polo shirt.
00:11:48.680 It's just a shirt that normal people wear. It's not a Klan robes with a pointy hat. It's not,
00:11:54.440 you shave your head. It's, you just wear a polo shirt and you act like a normal guy.
00:11:57.900 The rulebook reads, this is the one that they really got upset with. No heterosexual brother
00:12:02.540 of the fraternity shall, shall we say, stimulate himself more than one time in any calendar month.
00:12:10.980 Self-stimulation is a lack of impulse control, one member told SBS Dateline. If you control your
00:12:17.800 impulses, you can control and regulate most aspects of your life. So the liberals are now
00:12:21.500 complaining that the Proud Boys don't want you to be a wanker. That's it. That's it. How perverse is 0.99
00:12:27.200 our society. That when guys come around and say like, hey dudes, control yourself, control your
00:12:33.080 appetites. Don't be a lame loser wanker sitting alone in your room looking at pornography. Like 1.00
00:12:39.160 get some control over your life and stop being a weirdo and a pervert. That when, when guys just 0.99
00:12:44.240 give that advice, which was the advice that all teachers of virtue taught for all of human history,
00:12:49.980 the liberals come in and say, no, you have to go look at porn, go into your closet, go into your room 0.99
00:12:53.760 and go do depraved sexual acts. So, so pathetic. If you're thinking of getting high, heroin and 1.00
00:13:00.180 crystal meth are absolute no-nos. However, you can indulge all you like in cocaine. So there are,
00:13:04.420 I don't know, what are the liberals upset about here? That the Proud Boys are saying you can do coke
00:13:07.620 or that the Proud Boys are saying that you can't do heroin and crystal meth? Because what I hear from
00:13:12.120 the liberals is we need to legalize all these drugs. We need safe syringe shoot-up areas. We need to turn
00:13:17.440 San Francisco into one big crack den. One big, I'm sorry, one big heroin den, one big fentanyl den.
00:13:22.480 So there, the Proud Boys are at least saying, hey guys, do fewer drugs than you might otherwise
00:13:27.020 be inclined to do. And outside the realm of narcotics, also banned is wearing flip-flops,
00:13:30.640 fedoras, or cargo shirts to any Proud Boys meetup. Great. I don't, what's the problem here?
00:13:38.240 I don't, the chauvinism line is hyperbolic, but it's kind of funny. I don't, I'm not a big tattoo guy.
00:13:45.060 I think one time a month for that thing that they tell you not to do is too much also.
00:13:48.700 And I, I would generally discourage cocaine.
00:13:54.080 But the Proud Boys initiation rituals, by and large, are, are not so bad.
00:14:02.760 Actually, the Proud Boys initiation rituals are much healthier than the initiation rituals
00:14:09.360 pushed by our broader culture. Our broader culture has initiation rituals too. All cultures do.
00:14:15.220 And what are the initiation rituals for us? It's to go to college and be brainwashed and told to hate
00:14:22.640 your parents and your country and to become a huge lib, if not an outright communist. 1.00
00:14:26.200 Your initiation rituals involve tons of promiscuous sex, looking at a bunch of porn, 1.00
00:14:32.160 doing a bunch of drugs, dressing like a slob, being told that men are evil, being told that your 1.00
00:14:39.580 country is evil, being told that if you're a white person, heaven forfend, you're definitely evil. 0.99
00:14:45.480 Being, those are all bad, those are bad initiation rituals and they are ubiquitous in our country. 0.94
00:14:52.240 And they start at age four. They start at age three. Forget about them starting at age 25 or
00:14:59.180 whenever people join the Proud Boys. It's not a defense of the, if I were running the Proud Boys,
00:15:04.280 I'd probably do things a little bit differently. But, but you say, this is the great threat to our
00:15:08.840 country? Compared to the other groups in our country, including the mainstream, the elite,
00:15:14.780 the ruling class, these guys are downright wholesome. So because of that, they got to lock
00:15:20.960 them away for 22 years. Speaking of rituals young people face, COVID is coming back. I've mentioned this
00:15:26.700 for a while. It's right on time because the election is one year away. And some people deny this.
00:15:33.000 They say, I don't know, Michael. I don't think it's really going to come back. I think you're
00:15:36.640 just a little paranoid. Well, while you are denying that we are about to enter phase one of the COVID
00:15:44.860 comeback, COVID 2.0 electric boogaloo, we're already in phase three. Phase one was when Lionsgate and
00:15:52.320 Hollywood started to reimplement the mask mandates. That was the little test. How are these headlines
00:15:57.860 going to work? There was a strike going on at the time. So Hollywood was basically shut down. It
00:16:03.000 was a, it was an easy test. Are people going to accept these masks? Okay. Then after that, we got
00:16:08.800 to a school in Atlanta. This was a college. We got to a college in New Jersey. Are they going to accept
00:16:16.920 this? Again, it's the summer that these colleges are beginning to bring back the mask mandates.
00:16:22.040 Not too much risk. Okay. People are going along with it. That was phase one. Phase two was when
00:16:27.560 the White House came out and said, Joe Biden is going to mask up. Some, some government officials
00:16:32.780 are going to start putting the masks back on. That's a lot more public. Is that going to, how's
00:16:36.920 the public going to react to that? Okay. The public's basically going along with it. Now we're in phase
00:16:41.700 three, which is K through 12 schools all around the country are beginning to reimplement the masks.
00:16:46.780 Kinter Bish Junior High School in Alabama has asked all students, staff, and visitors to start
00:16:51.580 wearing masks in the classrooms to slow the spread of COVID. Alabama, we're not talking about New York
00:16:59.280 and California. Alabama, Talladega City School District, more than 1,700 students has urged children
00:17:04.180 and staff to wear masks. Maryland Elementary School has sparked outrage after telling the students not
00:17:11.500 only to wear masks, but to wear those N95 masks, which pose certain health risks, by the way. We just
00:17:16.520 learned that a week or two ago. And also they're extremely uncomfortable and they want them to do
00:17:21.100 it just for 10 days, despite only a handful of kids testing positive for COVID and despite COVID
00:17:26.800 not posing a particular threat to young people. And then New York, New York health officials providing
00:17:32.740 free masks in schools throughout the state as a response to rising COVID. You're seeing this also
00:17:38.660 start to happen in LA. We're in phase three, guys. And it seems so audacious. It seems so
00:17:45.800 impossible to believe that they're going to bring this back. Frogs get very quickly accustomed to the
00:17:53.080 increasing temperature in the water, right? It's an image that is cliche at this point, but it's
00:17:59.420 cliche for a reason because it accurately describes political operations. We are the frog being boiled
00:18:05.600 in water. This occurred to me because as I saw the masks starting to come back,
00:18:10.920 I realized that I had already forgotten about how insane COVID was. They shut down our country for
00:18:18.900 over two years, pretty much just to rig a presidential election. It wasn't because the
00:18:24.260 virus was particularly dangerous. It wasn't because the measures that they put into place were
00:18:28.480 particularly effective. They weren't. In some cases, they were quite harmful. They just did it to
00:18:33.600 rig the election. That's why they did it when they did it. That's why they're doing it when they do it
00:18:37.140 again. They haven't done this every year. COVID's pretty much been over for two and a half years.
00:18:41.960 They're only bringing this back in the lead up to the 2024 election. And it's so hideous because
00:18:47.560 our relatives died alone. Many people didn't get to say goodbye to their parents.
00:18:54.160 Weren't allowed to hug their loved ones. Had to postpone their weddings. Weren't allowed to see their
00:18:58.580 babies right away after they gave birth. Weren't allowed to have funerals. Weren't allowed to have
00:19:02.540 Christmas. I mean, they really did us dirty, the ruling class, and they did it to rig an election. 1.00
00:19:11.400 Maybe some of them were sincerely worried about the virus. Maybe some of them were just
00:19:15.560 exaggerating their fear of the virus. But the political incentive to keep this country locked
00:19:22.520 down was all about the 2020 election. And this time, it's all about 2024. And the fact that it was
00:19:28.520 so egregious and it was so traumatic, and then we all just kind of forgot about it and moved on,
00:19:35.720 it just shows you how quickly that memory evaporates. And they're going to do it again.
00:19:41.360 And that water is going to be boiling hot before we know it. And already,
00:19:48.000 the elected officials are going off script. So what do we say? Phase two of bringing the masks back,
00:19:54.720 they're going to be like 50 phases. But phase two was Joe Biden is going to start masking up again.
00:19:59.380 And yet, he just showed up to an event with the press, and he walks on stage, and he's not wearing
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00:21:51.260 says that he's going to start wearing the masks again, he walks into an event. He's not wearing a
00:21:55.180 mask. Lord, buddy. Let me explain to the press. I've been tested again today. I'm clear across the
00:22:03.960 board. But they keep telling me because this has to be 10 days or something, I got to keep wearing it.
00:22:09.820 But don't tell them I didn't have it on when I walked in.
00:22:12.100 The press laughs. Ha ha ha. Oh, ha ha ha. Who are they laughing at?
00:22:20.780 They're laughing at you. That's who they're laughing at. They're not laughing at Joe Biden.
00:22:25.440 Joe Biden's saying, ha ha, I said I was going to wear a mask. I'm not going to wear it. It's okay. I
00:22:29.040 don't have COVID. Ha ha ha. The only reason that we're all supposed to be wearing these masks is
00:22:37.440 because COVID is allegedly this deadly, horrific disease that's going to kill us all if we don't
00:22:42.520 upend society and rules and regulations and laws and individual liberties and all the rest of it
00:22:47.740 to protect against it. That shouldn't be a laughing matter when you violate that. But it is because
00:22:55.520 they know that the virus isn't particularly dangerous and they know that it doesn't merit
00:22:59.780 upending society other than the political ends that they're trying to inflict. So Biden, he can
00:23:05.440 choose to not wear his mask and he probably does a lot. The press, they don't need to wear their masks.
00:23:09.960 But you do. And that's the punchline. That's the joke of it. Speaking of laughing, there's a woman. 1.00
00:23:18.920 I don't know if I'm allowed to get to this bit on YouTube. This part might be cut out of YouTube.
00:23:23.880 So if you want this bit, you got to go head on over to Daily Wire Plus or Twitter at M. Knowles Show.
00:23:28.760 There's a woman who's very upset because at her office, at her job, she was called a woman. 0.54
00:23:39.460 Two things to know. I'm non-binary. I go by they, them. And I work in a store that is pretty much all 0.90
00:23:45.360 women. So whenever they're like addressing us or when they're talking, they're always like, 1.00
00:23:49.640 hey, ladies. So I've taken it upon myself as someone that is non-binary to use this to not 1.00
00:23:56.300 listen. And whenever anyone addresses a group as ladies, I am not included. So when they say,
00:24:03.040 hey, ladies, let's like stop talking or hey, ladies, let's like get to work. I will do none of it 1.00
00:24:08.500 because you're not talking to me. You're not talking to me. You're not talking to me. So
00:24:12.740 I will not listen to anything that is said when it is started with, hey, ladies, I'm a they-dee, 0.99
00:24:21.980 not a lady, a they-dee. 0.96
00:24:24.720 Okay. So she's not going to listen and she's not going to do her job. And so she shouldn't have a
00:24:29.840 job. And the employers should have the right to fire her because she's obviously a terrible employee, 1.00
00:24:34.940 but they don't really have that right right now. Because you know, the minute that they fire
00:24:39.760 this woman for not doing her job and not following orders, that woman is going to come back and sue 1.00
00:24:47.220 and say that this is they-dee-phobia. This is homophobic, transphobic, phobic, phobic, whatever.
00:24:54.240 And she'll probably win the lawsuit because we don't have freedom of association in America. 0.58
00:25:00.940 Okay. We have freedom of association in as far as if you don't want to hire white people or admit 0.79
00:25:08.860 white people to your university or your club, that's fine. But any other group, any other racial
00:25:13.500 group, that would be discrimination. You have to admit people of those other groups. We have freedom
00:25:19.400 of association if you don't want to let a Christian in or hire a Christian or let a Christian practice 0.94
00:25:23.860 this religion, that's fine. But any other religious group, that's not fine. You are obligated to indulge 0.99
00:25:29.280 those things. If you're just a straight normal person who's married and has a family, you can
00:25:34.700 discriminate against that person. But anyone else, if a woman thinks she's a man or if they're in a
00:25:40.340 homosexual couple or throuple or quadruple, then those are protected people. How did we get to this 0.81
00:25:47.500 place? Through the weaponization of civil rights law. Because civil rights law is in place to address 1.00
00:25:54.620 historic discrimination, specifically against black people. And then after the civil rights law
00:26:02.040 was installed, this was taken as a model for all sorts of other left-wing causes.
00:26:08.080 The Ford Foundation in particular promoted this. This was the story of the late 1960s through 1970s.
00:26:15.600 There's a good book by Mike Gonzalez from the Heritage Foundation on this. I forget the name of the book.
00:26:19.100 But as a result of that, freedom of association is gone in America. And I think I've now gotten to
00:26:26.600 the point where I'm so conservative that I'm kind of a libertarian again. I'm not really a libertarian,
00:26:32.500 but the libertarians harp on this notion of freedom of association. That you ought to be able to fire the
00:26:39.320 people you want to fire, and you ought to be able to hire the people you want to hire, and you ought to
00:26:42.860 have freedom of association. The argument against freedom of association, the way that this bedrock
00:26:48.260 American principle was destroyed in the middle of the 20th century was that it could be used to
00:26:53.240 unjustly discriminate against black people, specifically. And that would be a very bad
00:26:57.520 thing, and you don't want to do that. But the erasure of freedom of association has not gotten
00:27:06.060 rid of unjust discrimination. It's actually expanded unjust discrimination. And so I think the only way
00:27:12.320 to restore a normal society where a company is allowed to fire an obviously deranged person who
00:27:21.280 refuses to do her job because she doesn't know that she's a woman and refuses to answer to the 1.00
00:27:27.320 term lady, the only way to restore that normal society, as a practical matter, is probably through 0.99
00:27:33.800 a restoration of the freedom of association. We have a nice happy meeting point between the
00:27:39.380 conservatives and the libertarians here. What is the future of conservatism? Mike Pence
00:27:44.520 has thoughts, which we'll get to in just one second. First, though, my favorite comment yesterday is
00:27:49.420 from Phil Veda, 3309, who says, is Fauci's defense really the singular data is anecdote? This guy's
00:27:59.100 supposed to be one of the smart people. It is. You make a great, great point. The matter that occurred
00:28:09.360 with Dr. Fauci was that Dr. Fauci said that we have to ignore the data. We have to ignore what's
00:28:20.840 going on with masks and vaccines and all of the sorts of measures to combat COVID because
00:28:30.120 individually they might work. The studies say that the masks don't work, but individually maybe they do.
00:28:38.200 We're actually hearing this call to say, hey, ignore the data, trust your anecdotes whenever it is
00:28:46.140 convenient. Now, Mike Pence has a lot of thoughts on the future of conservatism, but I've got to
00:28:53.260 pause you right there and tease this because we have got to get to my friend, Candace Owens. I'm not
00:29:01.280 allowed to show this Candace interview on YouTube right now. So if you want to see the interview,
00:29:08.440 you've got to go to dailywire.com and you've got to go to M Knowles' show on X because we're talking
00:29:15.000 about Candace's new show. My dear, wonderful to have you with us as always. So listen, Candace,
00:29:24.240 you and I have a lot of things in common, but one thing we have in common is when the entire culture
00:29:30.960 is saying one thing, like the culture might be right, sometimes it's right, but our first instinct
00:29:37.560 is to say, probably wrong. They're probably totally wrong. And so you, I didn't even watch
00:29:42.820 the Making a Murderer series. I only heard about it, but I just assumed if everybody's saying this guy
00:29:49.220 is innocent, he's got to be guilty as sin. And I know you actually followed it very, very closely.
00:29:54.260 And then you, because you're like a dog with a bone because you refuse to let anything like this just
00:29:59.000 slip through the culture. You said, no, I'm going to prove that this jerk totally did it. Is that 1.00
00:30:04.460 basically how this project came about? Listen, I don't want to give too many spoilers here, but I
00:30:09.360 will say that I obviously have a fascination with the media's ability to brainwash, not just the masses
00:30:15.020 in general, even us. Like I did this sort of backwards examination of why I used to support the
00:30:19.780 LGBTQ movement. And I only recently discovered that the entire Laramie project thing was a lie. 0.61
00:30:25.980 Yeah. They put on, yeah, they put on a play at my school, convinced me that this gay kid for the
00:30:32.460 simple crime of being gay was tied to offense and killed. It was a complete lie. A total media agreed 0.95
00:30:37.840 upon lie so that they could further their own agenda. And so, yes, this project making, convicting a
00:30:43.660 murderer, which stems from the Netflix series, smash series, making a murder where everyone was
00:30:48.760 kind of very anti-police. This was kind of like white lives matter. Like before there was white 0.94
00:30:53.780 lives matter, black lives matter, there was white lives matter. And everyone just sort of paid to 0.91
00:30:57.120 the police. And they wanted to believe that, you know, this man who was at one point in his life
00:31:03.080 wrongly convicted, wrongly convicted of an attempted murder that he did not actually commit. It was
00:31:08.600 before DNA. So they wanted to believe that maybe twice he just keeps getting himself into these
00:31:13.240 circumstances. And Netflix seized on it because they knew that they could just manipulate people's
00:31:18.940 emotions and make them think that a very aggressive person, his entire life story is incredibly
00:31:24.780 aggressive, could potentially be an angel. So it was a fascinating story to look into.
00:31:29.520 The Laramie project comparison is a really good one because it also lets all of us off the hook for,
00:31:36.280 because I've been duped by some of these things, especially when I was younger. And it lets us off
00:31:39.980 the hook a little bit in that, I don't know what happened to Matthew Shepard. I'm just hearing about
00:31:45.120 this guy on the news. I have no reason, I guess, not to think that they're broadly telling me the
00:31:51.400 truth. And then though, like in that case with the Laramie project, you look into it and you see,
00:31:56.600 oh no, actually the fact that he was a homosexual is really just a side part of the story. There's so 0.72
00:32:03.920 much more here. So why was the story pushed in the first place? It's not because the media cared
00:32:08.040 about a guy like Matthew Shepard. It's because they were trying to push a broader social and
00:32:12.120 cultural agenda. Presumably they're doing the same thing here. I don't think they actually care about
00:32:16.220 this guy, Stephen Avery, but they do care about promoting crime. They do care about undermining
00:32:22.900 law enforcement and law and order more broadly. So I don't want you to give away too many spoilers.
00:32:28.600 The show should be a huge smash because it's giving the answer, the reality to what Netflix was
00:32:36.180 promoting. But, you know, give me a little taste. Like what, you know, what did you see?
00:32:40.400 Here's what I will say is don't be afraid to eat some humble pie. I think that's been one of the
00:32:45.040 greatest things that I've always practiced humility. I mean, I had everything wrong.
00:32:50.120 You spoke to Candace Owens when she was 18. Pro-choice, liberals are good, Republicans are racist. And 0.92
00:32:57.400 it's actually been such an exciting thing. Once you release that egotistical element that makes you
00:33:01.780 think, oh, I had to have had it all right. And you actually learn the truth. It's amazing.
00:33:05.240 It's actually amazing because then it allows you to further examine your psyche and how your
00:33:08.620 psychology is being impacted and how the media really plays the biggest role in this, how your
00:33:13.660 emotions plus the media can just completely disrupt a true analysis. And this is a circumstance where
00:33:20.740 you have this man, Stephen Avery, something did actually wrongfully happen to him when he was
00:33:26.280 wrongfully convicted before DNA. Evidence was available of a raping and leaving someone left for dead.
00:33:35.120 She actually survived. She pointed him out and she said, this guy did it. She thought it was him,
00:33:39.500 really thought it was him. And then they found out after 16 years that it actually wasn't him.
00:33:44.820 They released him from prison. He's not out for prison long before suddenly he is being convicted
00:33:49.700 of another murder. He's being accused of another murder, which was the murder of Teresa Hallback.
00:33:54.400 And this inspired, you know, some Netflix documentary makers. And you're exactly right. You're going to see
00:33:59.260 the same characters again that were pushing this idea that he was innocent. Let me say one thing.
00:34:03.220 If Alec Baldwin ever tells you that somebody is innocent, they're probably not.
00:34:07.060 Okay.
00:34:07.720 It's a good rule of thumb.
00:34:09.440 If Alec Baldwin and Trevor Noah are getting behind something, you are probably taking part
00:34:15.100 in a media simulation. And it's all the same usual suspects. And I think that people who follow the
00:34:22.180 story closely, the tens of million people around the world are just going to be shocked at how far the
00:34:26.860 media will go to sell you an idea, how, how, how often they omit facts because they already have
00:34:33.240 this packaged idea that they're trying to sell you at the end of it. And in this circumstance is that
00:34:37.640 police are rotten, police are backwards, police are wrong, police are corrupt. And that has really 0.90
00:34:43.040 kind of been a media theme for the last 10 years.
00:34:45.840 I saw even in the trailer, it, that, that the documentary left out specific crucial pieces
00:34:52.900 of evidence, right?
00:34:53.740 Yeah. Oh yeah. It's really bad. I mean, and what's I think most shocking is that the documentary
00:34:59.900 makers won an Emmy for this. And, and it's interesting that the amount of celebrities that
00:35:05.980 got involved with this, it pretty much, like I said, if Hollywood's involved, you pretty much know
00:35:10.040 that you're probably being duped and you're being misled. I have a lot of questions about why Alec
00:35:14.360 Baldwin is always the center of all of these things, but this became something that so many
00:35:18.560 celebrities were obsessed with. And they believed that this was like the innocence project, one of
00:35:23.040 these innocence project people that, and you look into it and you're like, this person isn't innocent
00:35:26.000 at all. Why, why are we trying to get this person back onto the streets? But this one has been so
00:35:29.980 long lasting. There's still a very dedicated Stephen Avery cult, just announcing this documentary
00:35:34.280 without even saying what our intentions were to say, we're going to re-examine it. People that are my
00:35:39.120 fans have written me nasty emails of like, Candace, I love you. I've supported you,
00:35:43.040 but this is something you don't understand. We've researched this for, for years, for decades.
00:35:47.160 You couldn't possibly know what we know. Why are you so fearful? I haven't said anything yet. You
00:35:52.380 don't even know what we're going to present to you. Chill out. Maybe I'm going to come to the
00:35:55.280 same conclusion as you. Well, because it's scary to have to examine the possibility that you've been
00:36:02.800 duped. And that's why I say it comes with humility. It comes with, you know, suffering from
00:36:06.200 cognitive dissonance, wondering how you could have possibly been misled. And I think that if you're
00:36:10.840 brave enough to go under that journey, you're going to have a really fun and interesting time
00:36:15.480 looking into this docuseries. It's a really great point because I'll even zoom it out from
00:36:20.600 this case or any particular crime all the way to political philosophy, which is when you realize
00:36:28.480 that maybe liberalism is kind of wrong. I remember when this happened to me in college,
00:36:34.020 when I started to realize that liberalism, not just some crazy leftist, not just the most extreme
00:36:39.180 kind of wokeism, but like just the liberal idea might be kind of wrong. That's extremely
00:36:45.160 disorienting. When you realize that, oh, the media often don't tell you the truth. When you realize
00:36:53.280 that maybe in certain elections, there have been some shenanigans and maybe it wasn't all totally
00:36:59.180 pristine. When you realize that maybe the law isn't applied evenly to everybody, maybe BLM gets off the
00:37:05.060 hook burning the country down for eight months and some Midwestern granny gets thrown in the clink for 1.00
00:37:10.060 January 6th. You think, well, how much of what I've been told is not true? And it's why I have so much
00:37:17.260 grace for people who maybe they start out as a leftist, then they become a fashionable libertarian
00:37:21.960 type, then they become a more center-right kind of conservative. Before you know it, they're to the
00:37:26.740 right of Genghis Khan. I don't knock them for having been wrong in the first place. There's a long way to go.
00:37:32.620 There are a lot of layers to peel back here to realize how much we've been told that isn't true.
00:37:36.940 You're describing me.
00:37:38.500 Right, exactly.
00:37:39.420 And I always tell people-
00:37:40.320 To some degree, me too, yeah.
00:37:41.300 Yeah, and I wrote about it in my book that I actually took a year off to suffer through
00:37:45.260 real cognitive dissonance. I thought I was going crazy. Basically, you wake up one day and you
00:37:49.480 find out that up and down is down is up. It is completely mind-shattering. It is something that
00:37:55.220 you wonder, okay, am I insane? Are they insane? You feel weird because you've been so strong and 0.81
00:38:00.560 committed in your beliefs. Maybe you're the person that wrote on Facebook, I disown all
00:38:04.600 Trump supporters. If you're a Trump supporter, unfriend me. How do you go back from that?
00:38:08.360 And that's that humble pill that I'm talking about that you have to swallow and realize,
00:38:12.060 hey, I was duped. We're all capable of being duped. None of us are above it. I'm still capable
00:38:16.100 of being duped. And I recognize that now, which is why I try to pursue all of the facts before
00:38:21.560 making any of a determination because I know that for the first part of my life, and this is in
00:38:25.520 large part due, obviously, to a low-income family, public school system. I was totally
00:38:30.880 apart. I grew up in Connecticut, but so blue. And so I really was just a victim of my surroundings
00:38:38.580 and also a victim of what I believe to be a pretty nefarious public school system and the education
00:38:43.800 system, Department of Education, that is kind of rinsing us with these ideas. This is what's bad.
00:38:47.700 This is what's good. You're a black girl. You're going to be a Democrat. So I don't fault myself any of 0.99
00:38:52.120 that. I think I would fault myself for not having the courage to look at the other side. And then
00:38:57.780 once I saw a little glimpse of the truth, if I was too scared and I shut the window on it,
00:39:03.160 I would fault myself. And instead, I pursued it. And you're right. It was a journey. And I kind of
00:39:07.360 was in the middle. And I was still holding on to some stuff like, oh, well, maybe it's okay to be
00:39:11.880 pro-choice. And maybe gay marriage is not all that bad. And now I'm like, I make you and Clarence Thomas
00:39:17.440 look like libs. Yeah. That's right. Pretty soon. You might go all the way or you're going to end
00:39:22.360 up a communist. You're going to go so far, you're going to come around the other way. So what's
00:39:26.880 important about this series too, I think, is it's getting into this very particular case. Because we
00:39:34.360 can zoom out and say, oh, what they're doing to Trump is bad. Or, oh, you know, immigration policy
00:39:39.340 is bad. Or, you know, the 30,000 foot view. But lies like this in service of a political agenda
00:39:46.540 they permeate everything. They go all the way down, even to these tiny local, whoever the hell
00:39:51.940 this guy is in a small little case in the middle of nowhere. That happens much more frequently. That
00:39:58.240 happens every single day. So before I let you go, I'm going to try one more time to just pull out of
00:40:03.560 you all the secrets of this doc. But I know you can't, I want to enjoy it. I don't want you to
00:40:08.540 spoil the whole series for me. But what can I look forward to? I'll give you all the spoilers right
00:40:14.600 now. You've broken me down. Here's what I will say. I think if we are taking a bird's eye view,
00:40:20.200 it's just what you're hitting upon. The real victim in this case was Teresa Hallback. You were
00:40:24.400 talking about a woman who was in her early 20s, just starting her life, who was fearful of Stephen
00:40:30.740 Avery, who was found, she wasn't, she was found in a burn pit. She was raped. She was mutilated. She 0.67
00:40:38.500 was cut up into little pieces. They had to use her bone fragments to even put together her DNA. 0.99
00:40:43.180 She had a devout Catholic family who handled this with extreme grace. And because of the
00:40:48.000 poisoning of the media, that family was attacked because of people like Alec Baldwin, a mob of
00:40:53.460 sent it online to tell them, wild conspiracy theories, people that she had gone with the
00:40:57.760 cows to Mexico. I mean, the conspiracy theories that people came up with because they refused to
00:41:01.840 examine the facts in the case and because a Netflix documentary had led them to believe that a man,
00:41:06.880 Stephen Avery, was completely innocent is shocking. It gets to a place of evil.
00:41:11.780 And I was left really just thinking about her. And I wanted to make sure as we did this docu-series
00:41:17.560 that we also told the story of the real victim in this case, because Netflix led everybody to
00:41:21.960 believe that it was Stephen Avery and that the perpetrators were the police. The victim in this
00:41:26.660 case was the young woman who lost her life in one of the most horrific ways, unimaginable if you're a
00:41:30.600 parent, Teresa Hallback. And taking you on that journey, there are so many plot twists. Nobody even
00:41:35.660 knows anything about the Avery family. No one knows anything about Teresa Hallback's family.
00:41:39.980 They were also focused on this narrow narrative and seeing all of the facts around it, I think,
00:41:45.440 is going to be mind-blowing for a lot of people. So we're really looking forward to bringing it.
00:41:49.440 Ten full episodes with me featured and tons of other people, including Stephen Avery's family.
00:41:55.020 We wanted to give everybody a fair shake.
00:41:56.520 Wow. I can't wait. Is it all coming out at once or is it going to be one of these drip,
00:42:00.220 drip, drip kind of things?
00:42:01.000 Drip, drip, drip. Okay, no. First episode's free. It's going to be available on X. Everybody can watch it.
00:42:05.640 We're going to do this kind of live viewing event. And then the second episode will be free on Daily
00:42:10.340 Wire Plus. And then I know by then you are just going to want to binge watch the rest of it,
00:42:14.040 which will be available on Daily Wire Plus. 0.98
00:42:15.420 You're like a drug dealer. You go, you give out the little taste. The first taste is free.
00:42:19.420 First taste is free.
00:42:20.280 I can't wait.
00:42:21.140 Take it home.
00:42:21.600 I can't wait. We'll see it. There'll be the live viewing. That'll be for everybody. And then
00:42:25.820 you come on into the inner sanctum. You get the real stuff. Candice, my dear,
00:42:29.980 thank you. I look forward to seeing it.
00:42:32.500 Always an honor, Mr. Knowles.
00:42:35.220 Get ready to go watch it. Okay, I want to get to the Mike Pence clip.
00:42:38.700 So speaking of the future of conservatism, Mike Pence says that the GOP right now
00:42:45.340 is at a crossroads and can go in one of two directions.
00:42:51.240 Here within the Republican Party, I think we have a choice to make, and that is whether or not we're
00:42:56.280 going to offer the American people a candidate and a standard bearer that will carry forward
00:43:02.340 the common sense conservative agenda of a strong national defense, American leadership in the world,
00:43:08.380 fiscal responsibility and pro-growth policies, a commitment to traditional values and liberties
00:43:13.020 in life, or whether or not we'll follow the siren song of populism, unmoored to conservative principle.
00:43:21.440 I really like Mike Pence. I think he's an honorable guy. I just think he happens to be wrong here.
00:43:27.180 What we're hearing is the same sort of thing we heard in 2016, which is that we've got the
00:43:32.880 conservatism, which is principles, and the principles are cut taxes, fund, add more military
00:43:39.280 funding, X, Y, and Z, or populism, which that's Donald Trump. And it's sort of ironic coming from
00:43:48.160 Mike Pence because Mike Pence was the running mate and vice president for Donald Trump, who is considered
00:43:53.360 the face of American populism. But that word populism, I'm not sure it really means anything
00:43:58.740 as it is used. It's just used as a term of derision, all this populism from the people on the left and
00:44:05.240 from the liberals on the right. We need to cut out this populism. What is populism? Populism means
00:44:11.860 different things at different times. Politics is eternal principles applied to ever-changing
00:44:18.100 circumstances. And sometimes you focus a little bit more on the principle side, sometimes more on the
00:44:22.060 circumstance side. And populism is much more sensitive to changing circumstances. But what
00:44:27.560 it boils down to is a recognition that there is a chasm between the people and the supposed
00:44:34.920 representatives of the people. And when the people feel like they're being gypped and they're not
00:44:41.600 actually being represented in the government, then you're going to see rising populism.
00:44:47.520 That is not a siren song. That's an important alarm. That's a warning sign that something has
00:44:54.540 gone wrong in your body politic. Neither party, neither base group of voters, the liberals or the
00:45:01.400 conservatives, has faith any longer in American elections. The left has questioned way more elections
00:45:07.080 than the right has. And the right obviously is skeptical of the 2020 election. We no longer really
00:45:14.140 believe in our system of justice. The left has for years said the system of justice is being weaponized
00:45:19.320 against racial and sexual minorities. And I think that's largely not true. But the right is pointing 0.99
00:45:27.200 out, well, hold on, the justice system is being weaponized against conservatives and pro-lifers and
00:45:31.660 Catholics and Midwestern grannies from January 6th. And so we don't have faith in that any longer. 1.00
00:45:36.980 We say, wait, hold on, our economy is no longer really working for us. And the representatives,
00:45:43.600 so-called, in the Republican and Democrat parties, they're all for outsourcing. They're all for sending
00:45:49.240 our manufacturing overseas. They're all for free trade deals that are supposed to boost up GDP.
00:45:54.160 But a lot of people, especially working class Americans on the left and the right,
00:45:58.880 are getting squeezed here. They don't feel like they're being represented.
00:46:02.520 What is the future here, conservatism or populism? Ironically, what is being called populism is a
00:46:09.900 much more solid and traditional and classical form of conservatism before the chic, corporate
00:46:19.640 kind of libertarianism of the last three decades took over. Protect your workers, build up your industry,
00:46:27.320 secure your borders. If that's populism, if that's not conservatism, then I don't know what
00:46:34.700 I, I guess I'm not a conservative. That seems pretty conservative and basic to me. And you have
00:46:40.260 to take populism seriously because otherwise you could have a lot more political instability.
00:46:48.860 And I think the people in this case have a real point. There's a good reason why the American 1.00
00:46:54.300 people don't really have faith in elections anymore. Well, here's the story. I'll tease it.
00:46:57.260 I'm such a tease. This liberal group is filing a 14th amendment lawsuit to keep Trump off a ballot
00:47:01.780 in Colorado. If the people were being represented, if our form of government were really synonymous with
00:47:08.180 democracy right now, then no one would worry about Donald Trump being on a ballot.
00:47:14.000 If the ruling class really believed that Trump could never win a general election,
00:47:17.560 then they wouldn't be trying to kick him off the ballot because they'd say, okay,
00:47:19.960 he's going to be on the ballot. He's going to get absolutely trounced at the ballot. So no big deal.
00:47:23.160 We'll move on. But that's not really what they believe. They believe that the people want to
00:47:29.480 elect Donald Trump just as they elected him in 2016. And who knows what happened in 2020. And they at
00:47:35.360 least fear enough that they could elect him in 2024, despite their protestations to the contrary,
00:47:40.260 that they want to kick him off of the ballot. That's my tease. We'll get more into that story
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