The Michael Knowles Show - September 19, 2023


Ep. 1333 - Trans Spokesman For Ukraine Threatens Violence For ＂Propaganda＂


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Sen. John Fetterman is apparently so incapacitated that Chuck Schumer has formally changed the rules of the U.S. Senate to allow him to show up on the floor in T-shirts and flip-flops.

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00:00:37.700 John Fetterman, the alleged senator from Pennsylvania, is apparently so incapacitated that Chuck Schumer has formally changed the rules of the U.S. Senate to allow him to show up on the floor in T-shirts and flip-flops.
00:00:52.440 Members of what was once called the greatest deliberative body in the world are now apparently not even expected to dress like adults as they pass laws in what was once considered the greatest nation on Earth.
00:01:06.180 Florida governor and presidential candidate Ron DeSantis rightly took umbrage.
00:01:10.500 So I don't, did you guys hear the U.S. Senate just eliminated its dress code because you got this guy from Pennsylvania, he wears like sweatshirts and hoodies and shorts, and that's his thing.
00:01:24.020 So he would campaign in that, which is your prerogative, right?
00:01:27.000 I mean, if that's what you want to do.
00:01:28.200 But to show up in the United States Senate with that and not have the decency to put on proper attire, I think it's disrespectful to the body.
00:01:37.520 And I think the fact that the Senate changed the rules to accommodate that, you know, I think looks, speaks very poorly to how they consider that.
00:01:46.500 Look, we need this country, we need to be lifting up our standards in this country, not dumbing down our standards in this country.
00:01:53.040 And this is an example why.
00:01:54.640 That's a great point, very under-discussed point.
00:01:58.200 Some people are saying that there are plenty of political reasons to criticize Fetterman, but we shouldn't be focusing on something so superficial as how he dresses.
00:02:09.460 But how you dress is political, and it is significant, and the way that you present yourself is not necessarily superficial.
00:02:17.940 It's also a sign of how you view yourself, and it's a sign of respect or disrespect for your office.
00:02:23.680 And the people you work with, and the people you represent.
00:02:28.040 The Founding Fathers did not wear t-shirts and shorts to the Continental Congress or to the Constitutional Convention.
00:02:34.900 Americans at our nation's height wore suits and neckties to baseball games.
00:02:39.940 It used to be fashionable to look respectable.
00:02:43.660 What do you know?
00:02:45.180 People used to behave more respectably.
00:02:47.400 Now it's fashionable to dress like a bum, and what do you know?
00:02:50.800 Now people behave more like bums. 0.99
00:02:53.920 George W. Bush, whatever you think of the man, had this point right.
00:02:57.860 He always made a point to wear a suit and tie in the Oval Office.
00:03:01.600 In eight years in office, as far as I can tell, he only ever broke that rule on one occasion.
00:03:06.880 He dressed for the office because he knew that it wasn't really his office.
00:03:12.280 It was the people's office and a symbol of the nation.
00:03:15.360 Faux populists who wear hoodies to the floor of the U.S. Senate aren't doing so out of some great respect for the people.
00:03:23.500 Quite the opposite.
00:03:24.680 They do so because they view the people's houses, the temples of democracy, as the Libs like to call them,
00:03:31.380 as nothing more than their own private living rooms.
00:03:34.040 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:03:34.700 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:03:55.880 Russell Brand has been accused of rape.
00:03:58.940 I don't even really know who Russell Brand is.
00:04:00.840 I'm aware of his existence, but I don't follow his work.
00:04:04.300 But we'll get to that.
00:04:05.120 I still have opinions, nevertheless.
00:04:06.700 We'll get to that in a moment.
00:04:07.560 First, though, speaking of inappropriate behavior and sex crimes, I guess,
00:04:12.160 my friend Lauren Boebert is being threatened with prosecution for sex crimes
00:04:18.320 because of this footage in the dark theater where she was inappropriate with her male companion
00:04:26.700 and apologized for it.
00:04:28.680 Well, that's not good enough for Colorado.
00:04:29.880 Some Democrats are arguing that she should be prosecuted under 187301
00:04:37.740 of the Colorado Criminal Code, which goes after lewdness in public.
00:04:45.180 Okay.
00:04:45.640 This, according to Newsweek's Nick Mordewanik, who says the law stipulates,
00:04:50.700 quote, public indecency is a petty offense sex crime.
00:04:54.280 And it does carry lighter penalties, such as 10 days in jail and or up to $300 in fines,
00:05:01.300 in addition to potential probation, community service, or mandatory counseling.
00:05:06.940 And they argue there is an outside chance that someone could receive a sex offender designation
00:05:14.500 because of getting a little handsy in a dark theater.
00:05:20.620 Okay.
00:05:21.680 Okay.
00:05:23.360 Great.
00:05:23.760 I'm all for enforcing public indecency statutes.
00:05:28.600 I think that's a great idea.
00:05:29.220 We haven't done that in a long time.
00:05:30.540 I'm all for going after material and behavior that appeals to the prurient interest that could
00:05:36.180 be obscene.
00:05:36.740 I think that's a great idea.
00:05:37.720 I don't think they're going to get Lauren on this.
00:05:41.240 I don't, I don't think the camera in the theater, I don't think it really rises to that level,
00:05:47.560 but I have noticed that there are a lot of Republican counties in Colorado.
00:05:52.180 Denver is very blue, but there's a lot of Republican counties and those Republican counties
00:05:55.780 have Republican DAs.
00:05:57.780 And I've noticed a lot of counties in Colorado have drag queen story hour. 0.98
00:06:03.360 Google drag queen story hour, Colorado.
00:06:05.740 You will see pages and pages of events come up.
00:06:09.760 And I think that if Colorado all of a sudden wants to get serious about prosecuting lewdness
00:06:14.680 in public, public indecency, well, that's great.
00:06:17.560 Then those Republican DAs should arrest every single one of those drag queen story hour performers. 1.00
00:06:25.140 I also noticed that there are a lot of pride parades in Colorado.
00:06:28.940 And I've noticed that those pride parades are pretty lewd.
00:06:31.860 They're pretty indecent, aren't they?
00:06:33.440 Guys dressed up in leather, doing weird stuff to each other on floats and in the street.
00:06:38.180 So I think this is good.
00:06:39.720 Colorado wants to start getting tough on lewdness.
00:06:41.780 I'm all for it.
00:06:43.420 Then all of those Republican DAs should start arresting and prosecuting every one of those
00:06:48.820 attendees at the pride parades, which are extremely indecent and extremely lewd.
00:06:54.300 Drag queen story hour and pride parades are much worse than anything Lauren Boeber did in 1.00
00:07:02.680 a theater.
00:07:03.580 Much worse.
00:07:05.180 In part because of the extreme behaviors that they engage in there.
00:07:10.640 But in part because what they do at drag queen story hour and the pride parades, unlike what 0.95
00:07:15.920 happened in the theater, is unnatural.
00:07:18.500 So it's all bad stuff, but those are particularly bad.
00:07:22.380 Those are particularly perverse and unnatural and should be prosecuted.
00:07:26.140 That's my view.
00:07:26.980 But even if your view is it's all the same and there's no distinction at all between what
00:07:31.880 a normal guy and a girl do in a theater caught on a hidden camera and what the drag queens do 1.00
00:07:40.280 in the elementary schools and the libraries and what the weirdos do at the pride parades.
00:07:43.820 If you say it's all the same, well, that's fine too.
00:07:46.880 If we're going to start prosecuting people for lewdness, then what's good for the goose
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00:09:15.580 Speaking of transvestites, can I keep any of my show on social media today?
00:09:20.140 Is there any part of my show that I'm going to be allowed to keep on certain social media
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00:09:25.120 I don't know.
00:09:25.400 Now, there is an American transvestite who is the spokesman for the Ukraine military for
00:09:34.640 some reason.
00:09:36.200 This person, Michael Cirillo, came to the fore, and I did this very long Twitter thread explaining
00:09:47.200 who this person is, what his background is.
00:09:49.620 No one had really dug into it before I did this.
00:09:52.480 It went viral.
00:09:53.500 Some other people started to dig into him then, and then all of a sudden, this guy comes
00:09:58.820 out, and he says that he's going to kill, he's going to murder anyone spreading anti-Ukraine
00:10:06.380 Putin propaganda.
00:10:08.240 And the timing of his announcement did have me thinking, do I need to get the locks checked?
00:10:13.500 Do I think, I might need a new alarm system in my house, because the spokesman for the Ukraine
00:10:18.680 military would seem to be threatening to murder me, because I raised some questions about
00:10:24.200 why this guy is doing what he's doing.
00:10:26.920 So in any case, U.S. Senator J.D. Vance, Republican from Ohio, has just sent a letter to the Secretary
00:10:33.640 of State, Secretary of Defense, and the Director of National Intelligence saying, quote, in recent
00:10:38.580 days, a video has circulated of an individual who claims to be an English-speaking spokesperson
00:10:43.000 for the Ukraine military.
00:10:44.620 In the video, this individual, Sarah Ashton Carrillo, born Michael, looks directly into
00:10:50.280 the camera and threatens physical violence to anyone who circulates Russian propaganda.
00:10:54.060 A number of reports purport to offer additional information, much of it unconfirmed, regarding
00:10:58.040 Ashton Carrillo.
00:10:58.820 Although, I assume my Twitter thread being one of those things, I've seen claims this
00:11:03.360 individual is an American, a former intelligence operative in the U.S., and an employee of the
00:11:07.020 Ukraine government.
00:11:07.980 Others have argued that he's pulling an elaborate prank, but J.D. gets to the point.
00:11:12.500 He says, I worry American resources could be supporting violence or the threat of violence
00:11:17.040 against people for speaking their mind.
00:11:19.060 Notably, any critic of America's incoherent policy in Ukraine has been slandered as propagandists,
00:11:24.820 including multiple presidential candidates and American journalists.
00:11:27.500 While we can debate the merits of these accusations, engaging in protected speech should not invite
00:11:33.300 threats of violence.
00:11:34.440 Otherwise, the First Amendment means nothing.
00:11:36.280 So, I really appreciate this from Senator Vance for inquiring to some of the highest level
00:11:44.180 people in the American government whether or not I am on this psycho's kill list.
00:11:49.960 The psycho, for his part, has responded.
00:11:52.780 The Russian propagandists and war criminals who are spreading lies and pushing false narratives
00:11:57.500 are not journalists.
00:11:59.580 They are information agents in an extension of the Putin-progrosion effort to spread chaos
00:12:04.720 and wreak havoc across the globe.
00:12:07.760 In Ukraine, we do not seek vengeance, only justice.
00:12:12.240 Because of this, these enemies of freedom and democracy will have to answer for their crimes
00:12:17.000 in a court of law.
00:12:18.060 Senator Vance recently asked the U.S. Director of National Intelligence, along with the Secretaries
00:12:24.000 of State and Defense, if I was working in some capacity for the American government.
00:12:29.420 Simply put, I'm an American serving as a Ukrainian infantry soldier and combat medic who was brought
00:12:35.020 from the Zero Line and assigned to the TDF's media team in the dual role of spokesperson and
00:12:41.160 Russian disinformation analyst.
00:12:42.760 The remaining speculation surrounding me is disappointing.
00:12:47.400 While in Ukraine, we are fighting for global liberty and the ideology of victory, too many
00:12:52.640 in Moscow and across the world are still caught up in focusing on the tired trope of gender
00:12:57.840 chaos.
00:13:00.860 Is he referring to what he is doing as gender chaos?
00:13:05.280 Because if so, that would be extremely self-aware.
00:13:07.700 Notice, though, he never really answers the question from JD.
00:13:09.860 He doesn't really go into his background, what sort of connections he might have, who among
00:13:15.420 us he's trying to kill.
00:13:17.060 But in any case, I'm glad we're finally looking into this.
00:13:19.740 A lot of people are asking, why is this crazy person, the spokesman, this American crazy 1.00
00:13:26.260 person, the spokesman for the Ukraine military?
00:13:29.120 And the answer is either that the powers that be are just trolling us, as they often do, or
00:13:36.760 perhaps that Ukraine realizes that they've lost American conservatives, that American
00:13:44.740 conservatives view this war as incoherent, as JD said, as not particularly serving the
00:13:52.220 American interest, as having no end in sight, as possibly leading to a third world war.
00:13:58.920 And so we want an off-ramp.
00:14:01.080 We're not saying give up territory to Vladimir Putin, but we're saying we need a way to wind
00:14:06.360 this war down before it actually does become World War III between nuclear superpowers
00:14:11.620 and former superpowers.
00:14:13.060 And so Ukraine realizes that its support is going to come from Democrats and from liberals.
00:14:17.460 And how do you appeal to liberals?
00:14:18.940 You slap a wig on a fella, and that goes a very long way.
00:14:23.100 Speaking of wasting money and the Biden administration, Joe Biden has just announced a plan to spend
00:14:30.400 $5.7 million on psychological support for liberal journalists who are trolled online.
00:14:40.120 Liberal journalists, it's almost repetitive.
00:14:42.980 But I repeat myself.
00:14:44.660 The Biden administration has approved almost $6 million to George Washington University to
00:14:52.900 create a program that will provide psychological care to journos who believe they're targets
00:14:57.180 of misinformation-driven harassment campaigns, which is just a slogan to be used to make liberal
00:15:05.160 journalists seem like victims.
00:15:06.260 My only take on this is, in fairness to Biden, I do agree that liberal journalists could use a
00:15:13.260 lot of psychiatric care.
00:15:15.140 They could stand to benefit from that.
00:15:17.460 $6 million is not going to go nearly far enough.
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00:15:24.200 And this reminds you that the supposed fourth estate, the brave, independent journalists speaking
00:15:32.100 truth to power, are nothing but.
00:15:34.820 They're mere propagandists.
00:15:37.120 They're mere mouthpieces for the ruling establishment.
00:15:40.280 So much so that when ordinary people push back on them and say, hey, you guys are jokes, you
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00:15:53.520 speaking the truth, they come out and they say, hey, I'm sorry, Washington Post.
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00:16:08.520 Speaking of the media, there's a big media campaign now to say that Russell Brand is a
00:16:15.240 rapist.
00:16:16.100 There was an accusation made.
00:16:17.940 It wasn't made in a court primarily.
00:16:21.520 It wasn't made through a prosecutor's office primarily.
00:16:24.780 It was made in newspapers from multiple women who say, back in the day, Russell Brand raped 0.99
00:16:31.660 me or he was otherwise abusive or he's a no-down dirty rotten guy. 0.89
00:16:35.420 And I read the report.
00:16:36.740 It came from the Times.
00:16:38.240 And in it, the women say, I didn't want to speak out until I was approached by journalists.
00:16:45.380 And then I decided to tell my story.
00:16:47.480 So this really is a media-created thing.
00:16:50.960 We've got the story here.
00:16:52.160 It's a very long story, very ugly stuff.
00:16:54.780 And some people are going to be tempted to say, I don't believe any of it.
00:16:57.140 Some people are going to be tempted to say, I believe all of it.
00:16:59.740 And what I am tempted to say, not knowing Russell Brand, not having ever watched any of his work,
00:17:07.080 this is not a knock on Russell Brand.
00:17:08.480 Maybe he does really great work.
00:17:09.640 I just haven't seen his stuff.
00:17:12.920 There's a lot of good books to read out there, a lot of good movies to see, a lot of good shows
00:17:17.700 to watch.
00:17:18.240 And I'm just not really familiar with his stuff.
00:17:20.280 I am aware of his existence.
00:17:23.580 I know he is a British actor who dresses kind of funny.
00:17:27.220 But that's all I know about Russell Brand.
00:17:29.200 And so I don't really have a dog in this fight.
00:17:31.800 And my gut tells me, in this extremely detailed report, I don't know if he committed any crimes.
00:17:39.220 But I am pretty confident that he did a lot of weird, depraved, very nasty, immoral sex stuff for a long time.
00:17:47.140 And in part, I'm confident of that because apparently Russell Brand has admitted all of that.
00:17:53.140 He's written about it.
00:17:54.420 He's talked about it before.
00:17:55.680 The big Russell Brand fans were quick to point my attention to that.
00:18:01.220 And so my big takeaway, is Russell Brand guilty or not?
00:18:03.660 I don't know.
00:18:04.180 I'm all for tightening up lewdness laws and obscenity laws, everything we were talking about at the top of the show.
00:18:09.100 I'm all for that.
00:18:10.080 You can't do that retroactively.
00:18:12.240 You can't have a culture and a law that says, hey, do whatever you want with all sorts of weird sex stuff.
00:18:17.440 And then later on comes back and says, oh, actually, that was bad.
00:18:20.580 So we're going to change the law 20 years later and throw you into prison.
00:18:23.820 So we'll see.
00:18:24.600 Maybe he'll go to trial.
00:18:25.740 Maybe he'll have a fair trial.
00:18:28.460 Maybe he'll be convicted or not.
00:18:29.700 I don't know.
00:18:30.600 My main takeaway from this, though, is there is a reason why the elite institutions encourage a lot of weird sex stuff.
00:18:38.980 There is a reason that Hollywood is called Gomorrah by the sea.
00:18:43.420 There is a reason why there are all sorts of weird orgies and trading sex for jobs and all sorts of weird stuff in Hollywood.
00:18:52.720 There's a reason why there are elite underground sex clubs in every major city in the world, one of which we found out about because of the Hunter Biden investigation.
00:19:01.200 Hunter Biden was apparently a member of one of these in Los Angeles, and it involved a lot of big people, a lot of big politicians, a lot of big movie stars.
00:19:08.660 You remember Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the big financial muckety-muck?
00:19:13.180 This was a scandal going back 15 or 20 years ago, and he was accused of some sex crime, and he said, no, I'm not going to orgies.
00:19:20.400 I only went to six or seven of them this year.
00:19:22.820 This thing is pretty pervasive.
00:19:24.640 If you've ever lived in a big city and rubbed shoulders with any muckety-mucks, you know, there's like weird sex stuff is all over the place. 1.00
00:19:32.540 I mean, the greatest example is Jeffrey Epstein, where the wealthiest, most powerful, most prominent people on earth were actually going down to a Caribbean island and doing plenty of weird sex stuff.
00:19:44.060 The reason that that happens is not just because these people are a little decadent or something.
00:19:53.660 It's a feature of how the elite works because what happens in these elite circles is they encourage you to do all sorts of degrading, immoral, often weird sex stuff.
00:20:07.420 And then 15, 20 years later, if you ever start to question the ruling power, if you ever start to maybe speak out against it, as Russell Brandt has, start questioning some of the narratives.
00:20:21.640 Again, I haven't even watched the stuff.
00:20:23.000 I've just heard that he questions the narratives.
00:20:24.700 He's moved a little bit away from the left.
00:20:27.540 Then they've got you because then what they've got is kompromat.
00:20:30.440 Kompromat is the Russian term, what the Soviets used to do, which is they'd get some dirt on you and they'd hold that over your head and they'd say, toe the party line or 20 years later, we're going to blackmail you.
00:20:41.840 And it's not going to be about whatever you did.
00:20:43.540 We're the ones who encouraged you to do it.
00:20:45.240 We're the ones who arranged the laws or at very least the social norms.
00:20:48.780 We're the ones who arranged the parties.
00:20:50.400 So we encourage you to do all this stuff.
00:20:53.120 But if you ever turn on us, man, we got it.
00:20:56.080 We got tapes.
00:20:56.880 We got pictures.
00:20:57.500 We got stories in the Times.
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00:23:16.680 Speaking of the Brits, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has vowed to ban American pit bulls from the soil of the motherland.
00:23:25.940 The American XL bully dog is a danger to our communities, particularly our children.
00:23:30.960 I share the nation's horror at the recent videos we've all seen.
00:23:35.220 Yesterday, we saw another suspected XL bully dog attack, which has tragically led to a fatality.
00:23:41.420 It's clear this is not about a handful of badly trained dogs.
00:23:44.340 It's a pattern of behaviour, and it cannot go on.
00:23:47.560 While owners already have a responsibility to keep their dogs under control,
00:23:51.480 I want to reassure people that we are urgently working on ways to stop these attacks and protect the public.
00:23:57.440 Today, I have tasked ministers to bring together police and experts to firstly define the breed of dog behind these attacks,
00:24:05.380 with a view to then outlawing it.
00:24:07.960 It is not currently a breed defined in law, so this vital first step must happen fast.
00:24:13.240 We will then ban the breed under the Dangerous Dogs Act, and new laws will be in place by the end of the year.
00:24:20.500 These dogs are dangerous.
00:24:22.360 I want to reassure the public that we will take all necessary steps to keep people safe.
00:24:27.460 It's a great idea.
00:24:31.140 I know.
00:24:31.620 Look, this is going to be my controversial take of the day.
00:24:34.140 I know.
00:24:35.100 It's...
00:24:35.420 I'm...
00:24:35.800 Hey.
00:24:37.580 Good.
00:24:38.620 Good.
00:24:39.260 I'm glad.
00:24:39.820 First of all, I want to borrow this term from the UK, because XL bully dog is much funnier than Pitbull.
00:24:47.840 So that's...
00:24:48.560 And the point is correct.
00:24:50.580 The dogs are bred to chew up little infants.
00:24:55.180 That's what they're bred for.
00:24:57.620 It's not about the owner.
00:24:59.160 It's not about they were abused.
00:25:00.600 It's not about, oh, I have the greatest Pitbull ever.
00:25:03.440 Yeah, maybe you do.
00:25:04.480 But the breed is dangerous.
00:25:07.900 And communities have the right to set standards on safety.
00:25:13.620 They totally have that right.
00:25:15.720 Nowhere in the Constitution, nowhere in Magna Carta is there enshrined the individual right to have a dog
00:25:22.040 that is responsible for most of the dog attacks every single year.
00:25:26.760 It's not the dog's fault.
00:25:28.320 I don't think we should put the dog on trial.
00:25:30.160 That's the point.
00:25:31.200 The dogs are not rational.
00:25:33.240 The dogs are not conscious.
00:25:35.880 The dogs are just doing what it is their nature to do.
00:25:38.860 Human beings have instincts and appetites.
00:25:41.620 But we also have a rational will so that we can deliberate about concepts of abstract justice
00:25:48.180 and then tamp down our bad appetites and say, okay, I really want to mull that little child,
00:25:53.740 that toddler at the park.
00:25:54.680 But I'm not going to do that because I'm rational.
00:25:57.840 Dogs don't have that ability.
00:25:58.960 And so we've got to take measures as a community to stop that or else it will be terrible for everybody.
00:26:06.180 Very, very good stuff on the bully dogs, Rishi.
00:26:08.660 Speaking of, this is a horrible transition.
00:26:11.580 Speaking of people's penchant for killing infants, Donald Trump had this interview on Meet the Press.
00:26:18.620 And the Meet the Press lady was just champing at the bit to promote abortion. 1.00
00:26:24.360 She really, really wanted to promote abortion. 1.00
00:26:26.300 Donald Trump was trying to sidestep the question on abortion, which got him in some trouble.
00:26:31.220 But the most notable part of the interview to me was when this interview lady on NBC
00:26:38.480 made the audacious claim that the Democrats don't really support late-term abortion.
00:26:44.520 Roe v. Wade, for 52 years, people, including Democrats, wanted it to go back to states
00:26:51.600 so that states could make the right.
00:26:53.680 Roe v. Wade, I did something that nobody thought was possible,
00:26:57.160 and Roe v. Wade was terminated, was put back to the states.
00:27:00.160 Now, people, pro-lifers, have the right to negotiate for the first time.
00:27:04.440 They had no rights at all.
00:27:05.740 Because the radical people on this are really the people, the Democrats,
00:27:10.760 that say after five months, six months, seven months, eight months, nine months,
00:27:14.380 and even after birth, you're allowed to terminate the baby.
00:27:17.840 Mr. President, the Democrats aren't saying that.
00:27:18.820 I just have to say, Democrats are not saying that.
00:27:20.860 Does it bother you, though, that women say their lives are being put at risk?
00:27:24.580 Do you feel you bear any responsibility?
00:27:26.580 Because, as you say, you are responsible.
00:27:28.500 What's going to happen, this is an issue with Hillary Clinton when we had the debate. 1.00
00:27:32.340 I made a statement, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month. 0.99
00:27:36.700 You're allowed to do that, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that.
00:27:39.260 Again, no one is arguing for that.
00:27:41.420 That's not a part of anyone's platform, Mr. President.
00:27:43.560 The Democrats are able to kill the baby after birth.
00:27:46.920 Let me talk to you.
00:27:47.500 Nobody wants that.
00:27:48.840 Democrats don't want that either. 0.60
00:27:50.600 Democrats don't want that. 0.99
00:27:51.680 That's not true.
00:27:52.380 Stop saying that, Donald Trump.
00:27:53.660 Stop.
00:27:53.900 No, Democrats don't.
00:27:54.780 We don't want late-term abortion. 1.00
00:27:56.580 Democratic Senator Ben Cardin of Maryland,
00:27:59.680 what do you think about abortion up until the moment of birth?
00:28:02.660 So you signed on to a Senate bill called the Women's Health Protection Act of 2023. 0.99
00:28:06.780 Critics say it goes far beyond Roe,
00:28:08.220 and it actually codifies what the former vice president was saying there.
00:28:11.300 So what is the Democrats' position?
00:28:13.400 Where do you draw the line?
00:28:14.420 Well, we support Roe v. Wade.
00:28:16.000 We thought that was established law.
00:28:17.680 It was established law for almost 50 years.
00:28:20.140 The Supreme Court decision was a radical decision
00:28:22.340 that reversed the rights of women to make their own health care decisions. 1.00
00:28:26.140 Well, what about the states where it's actually legal up until the due dates?
00:28:30.040 Is that something Democrats support?
00:28:31.820 We support the right of women to make their own decisions. 0.98
00:28:34.720 This is a personal decision made by women with the advice of their doctors and their family,
00:28:39.620 and we don't think we should try to tell women when they can make those decisions.
00:28:44.220 Is there a cutoff for you before that point?
00:28:46.540 No.
00:28:47.620 No.
00:28:48.360 There's no cutoff right up until the moment of birth.
00:28:51.720 You heard it from the horse's mouth.
00:28:53.820 You heard it from one end of the horse.
00:28:55.180 I'm not sure if it was the mouth.
00:28:56.400 But what about Donald Trump's claim that Democrats,
00:28:59.100 prominent Democrats, support abortion even after birth?
00:29:01.940 That's crazy, Mr. President.
00:29:03.680 How dare you lie?
00:29:05.040 That's sensationalist, hyperbolic, terrible, dishonest rhetoric.
00:29:08.960 Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, take it away.
00:29:11.300 When we talk about third trimester abortions,
00:29:14.380 these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother,
00:29:18.720 with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way.
00:29:23.500 And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities.
00:29:27.260 There may be a fetus that's non-viable.
00:29:29.960 So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor,
00:29:33.760 I can tell you exactly what would happen.
00:29:36.520 The infant would be delivered.
00:29:38.640 The infant would be kept comfortable.
00:29:41.220 The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.
00:29:46.500 And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mothers. 0.74
00:29:50.800 Then a discussion would ensue.
00:29:53.360 You want to kill the baby or you want to keep the baby? 0.96
00:29:57.360 Infant was delivered.
00:29:58.280 He's on the table.
00:29:59.200 He's comfortable over there.
00:30:00.320 We got him a cup of coffee.
00:30:01.820 Yeah, we got him a cup of coffee, maybe a little blanket.
00:30:04.720 And then, so what do you want to do?
00:30:05.980 You want me to kill him for you?
00:30:07.560 He's been born, but we could kill him for you if you want.
00:30:12.580 Every claim Donald Trump made in that clip with that NBC lady is true. 0.99
00:30:19.980 Representative, or Senator rather, Ben Cardin of Maryland,
00:30:22.840 when he said, I support abortion up until the moment of birth.
00:30:26.740 He was describing the Women's Health Protection Act, preposterously named act,
00:30:31.560 that was voted on in the House of Representatives.
00:30:35.220 Do you know how many Democrats voted against it?
00:30:38.200 One, Representative Quellar, who's effectively a Republican.
00:30:41.580 He's a conservative Democrat in Texas.
00:30:43.160 The rest of them voted for it to legalize abortion as a national law up until the moment of birth.
00:30:53.580 All of them, this isn't some fringe position.
00:30:56.040 Senator Cardin, Governor Northam, they're not the fringe, extreme, crazy part of the Democratic Party.
00:31:01.120 That is the mainstream position.
00:31:02.940 That's virtually the unanimous position of the Democrat Party.
00:31:06.800 And that journo on NBC, whatever that lady's name is, she just lied. 1.00
00:31:11.820 She just totally lied.
00:31:14.460 So the part of this interview that's been focused on in the media is Donald Trump going after Ron DeSantis
00:31:22.840 and saying, oh, a six-week abortion ban, it's a terrible, terrible thing.
00:31:26.180 And obviously, the only thing terrible about a six-week abortion ban is the six weeks.
00:31:29.960 That's the terrible thing, that abortion is permitted for six weeks.
00:31:33.460 But then, in the rest of the interview, Donald Trump says,
00:31:37.500 I'm the greatest pro-life president ever.
00:31:38.800 I got Roe v. Wade overruled.
00:31:39.980 It's gone back to the states.
00:31:41.180 And you guys want to kill babies up until the moment of birth. 0.96
00:31:43.680 That was all the rest of it.
00:31:45.580 And so, why did Trump say the terrible thing line?
00:31:48.220 Well, I suspect it's because, as Donald Trump does when he campaigns,
00:31:52.260 anything his opponent does is bad.
00:31:53.960 He has to paint anything that any of his opponents ever do at any time is bad.
00:31:58.020 And that's a general rule in politics, and Trump probably takes it to an extreme.
00:32:01.560 But what is Trump's point here?
00:32:03.980 Is Trump saying that he's going to pass a national abortion law
00:32:06.900 that allows abortion up until a certain moment?
00:32:09.440 Maybe that's what he's saying.
00:32:10.380 I don't think that's true.
00:32:12.220 I don't think that's what he's saying, given the context of the clip.
00:32:14.920 But even if that were what he was saying, first of all,
00:32:17.360 you're not going to have an abortion law at a national level that works. 1.00
00:32:22.900 And the reason you're not going to have it is, one,
00:32:24.820 I don't think you could just ever get anything passed out of the House or Senate
00:32:28.820 and signed by the president, period.
00:32:30.760 But even if you could, the Supreme Court in the Dobbs decision said,
00:32:34.520 we are returning this question to the states.
00:32:37.200 So there are pro-life advocates who believe that the Supreme Court
00:32:42.360 should have just outlawed abortion entirely using 14th Amendment jurisprudence
00:32:46.780 and equal protection under the laws.
00:32:49.040 But the Supreme Court very intentionally did not do that.
00:32:52.180 And the Supreme Court didn't return the question to the Congress
00:32:54.220 and didn't return the question to the Senate.
00:32:55.600 The Supreme Court returned the question to the states.
00:32:59.260 And so what I suspect Trump is doing there is he's just trying to brush the issue aside,
00:33:03.460 highlight Democrat extremism, and move on.
00:33:05.640 And you might say, well, that's a stupid strategy.
00:33:07.900 He should be as vocally pro-life as possible.
00:33:10.860 Maybe.
00:33:11.740 Just like when Trump whiffed it on the what is a woman question.
00:33:15.460 They said, well, you know, I don't know.
00:33:16.760 A man is a man and a woman's a woman. 1.00
00:33:18.360 I don't know.
00:33:18.840 Men can't give birth. 0.99
00:33:19.800 And he totally whiffed the answer.
00:33:21.800 You might say, well, politically, to say nothing immorally,
00:33:25.580 it would be better if he just said a man is not a woman. 0.96
00:33:28.820 A woman can't become a man and been really straight about it. 1.00
00:33:32.680 Okay.
00:33:33.180 And you can make that political argument too.
00:33:34.940 But I suspect what Trump is doing here is just trying to sidestep these questions,
00:33:39.740 push them to the side.
00:33:41.060 I don't think he's saying I'm suddenly pro-trans or suddenly saying I'm suddenly pro-abortion.
00:33:46.380 I think he's trying to push it to the side.
00:33:48.860 And maybe you say it's a good political strategy.
00:33:50.660 Maybe you say it's a bad one.
00:33:51.980 But I will point out that is the political strategy that was pursued
00:33:56.140 by all of the Supreme Court justices who actually overruled Roe v. Wade.
00:34:02.400 All of those Supreme Court justices, when they were brought up for their confirmation hearings,
00:34:06.020 they were asked directly about Roe v. Wade.
00:34:08.940 And not one single one of them ever said, I think Roe v. Wade is an evil decision.
00:34:13.720 It's constitutionally incoherent.
00:34:16.160 And you're damn right I'm going to overrule it.
00:34:17.980 Not one of them said that.
00:34:19.560 What did they do?
00:34:20.660 To a man, to a woman, they all sidestepped the question. 0.92
00:34:24.040 And they said things like, well, Roe v. Wade is the settled law of the land.
00:34:29.840 Statements that are true.
00:34:31.180 They didn't lie at the time they said them.
00:34:32.720 It's true.
00:34:33.120 Roe v. Wade was settled law.
00:34:34.620 Until it wasn't.
00:34:35.500 Until it was unsettled law in the Dobbs decision.
00:34:37.440 They said things that were true, but they sidestepped the question.
00:34:39.940 One could debate the political wisdom of this strategy all day long, but it is simply a fact.
00:34:47.280 We are called to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
00:34:51.040 And we are dealing with some people who are made up of the kind of, not just wisdom, but character of serpents right now.
00:35:00.320 They've got, we're dealing with people who are innocent as serpents and very often wise as doves.
00:35:04.860 When we're dealing with people on the other side who are openly advocating killing babies up until the moment of birth and then lying about it on national television.
00:35:15.740 Which is not even the summation of their political agenda.
00:35:22.160 It's just part and parcel of it.
00:35:24.320 Of a broader political agenda.
00:35:26.500 To upend our entire society.
00:35:28.660 To upend everything that we think is normal.
00:35:31.280 And to just invert it onto its head.
00:35:34.220 A lot of that focuses on the family.
00:35:37.500 Speaking of the family, we'll get to a family story in just a second.
00:35:39.860 First though, my favorite comment yesterday comes from Chad 534.
00:35:43.060 Who says, funny that a theater has more security footage.
00:35:45.740 Than the White House did when trying to find the cocaine bandit.
00:35:48.760 So true.
00:35:50.640 It's amazing.
00:35:51.480 Maybe the White House should call up that random theater in Colorado. 1.00
00:35:56.320 And ask about their security camera system.
00:35:58.460 Because when someone snuck coke into what is supposed to be the most secure place in the entire country.
00:36:08.380 No one ever found that footage, did they?
00:36:11.540 You know what?
00:36:12.140 Also the jail that was housing Jeffrey Epstein.
00:36:14.200 They ought to call that theater in Colorado.
00:36:16.860 Because, you know, the jail that had Jeffrey Epstein, the cameras just broke.
00:36:22.120 Oops.
00:36:22.720 They went out.
00:36:23.480 We don't have any footage of when Jeffrey Epstein totally killed himself, right?
00:36:27.040 If only they had hired the management company of that random theater.
00:36:32.380 Well, by golly, we'd figure out what happened by now.
00:36:35.400 Kind of convenient.
00:36:37.840 Cameras.
00:36:38.300 The cameras only seem to work when it redounds to the disadvantage of Republicans.
00:36:43.480 Really, really strange.
00:36:44.660 Okay.
00:36:45.480 Speaking of the family.
00:36:46.600 This is a Hollywood story.
00:36:49.820 Again, that I don't really care about that much in itself.
00:36:53.000 But I care about the political implications.
00:36:55.060 Hugh Jackman and his wife are divorcing after 27 years of marriage.
00:36:59.440 I really like Hugh Jackman.
00:37:01.040 I think he is a tremendous, not only actor, but performer generally.
00:37:05.580 I've seen this guy on Broadway.
00:37:06.880 He's just a tremendous performer.
00:37:11.280 And he's always struck me as a nice guy.
00:37:13.440 Compared to the demons running around Hollywood, he seems relatively normal and grounded and sort of nice.
00:37:20.080 And he just all around seems like a decent fellow.
00:37:23.220 And so it's very sad that this guy, one of the things that really spoke to his character is that he had been married for 27 years.
00:37:30.900 By Hollywood standards, that is an eternity.
00:37:33.060 That is the longest marriage ever.
00:37:37.440 And now, sadly, it seems they're going to split up.
00:37:39.860 And here's the statement that they made.
00:37:43.620 We have been blessed to share almost three decades together.
00:37:47.500 Our journey now is shifting.
00:37:50.000 And we have decided to separate, to pursue our individual growth.
00:37:57.420 This is what I can't stand about it.
00:37:59.620 And you hear this again and again in modern divorce statements.
00:38:06.780 They say, we're so happy.
00:38:08.860 What a wonderful time we've spent together.
00:38:11.420 But now, we're going to have a conscious decoupling of that time.
00:38:15.320 It's so wonderful to pursue what really matters, which is, of course, our individual growth.
00:38:20.660 And so that's really great.
00:38:22.080 And it's so happy.
00:38:22.960 No, it's not happy, man.
00:38:24.140 It's a tragedy.
00:38:24.920 It's a tragedy any time a marriage breaks down.
00:38:27.560 And you should be deeply sad.
00:38:29.880 We should all be deeply sad about it because it's a public matter.
00:38:32.440 Because when you get married, you take a vow before a minister and the public and God.
00:38:36.840 And you enter into society because the fundamental unit of society is the family.
00:38:40.960 And I get that marriages break down.
00:38:42.900 And I get that there's been divorce for a very, very long time.
00:38:45.840 There's been divorce for all of history.
00:38:47.360 Sometimes it's been illegal.
00:38:49.400 And so the state is clamped down on it.
00:38:50.620 And it happens less frequently.
00:38:51.800 In our culture, you can get divorced because you don't like the way the wind is blowing that day.
00:38:55.600 We have no fault divorce.
00:38:56.540 But any time it happens, it's a tragedy.
00:38:59.540 So even if you accept the fact that it will happen, at the very least, you should say, this is sad.
00:39:04.940 We're sorry this happened.
00:39:06.020 But no, we can't do that anymore.
00:39:08.560 We have to say, no, it's wonder.
00:39:09.620 It's actually good.
00:39:10.700 It's good.
00:39:11.860 Because we're going to do the most important thing, which is pursue our individual growth.
00:39:15.620 Well, no, you're not.
00:39:16.920 What is conducive to your individual growth is remaining married.
00:39:21.460 That's what's conducive to it.
00:39:22.660 Because you're not just a free-floating atom in outer space.
00:39:24.760 You're part of society.
00:39:25.880 You're the social creature and the political animal.
00:39:28.720 And so what did they say?
00:39:29.540 Why did it break down?
00:39:30.440 A spokesman for the Jackmans say that the writer's strike has contributed to it because they've been stuck around at home a little bit more, I guess.
00:39:38.860 And the pandemic, the lockdowns.
00:39:41.980 And this is really, really sad, too.
00:39:44.380 Because I wonder, of all of the terrible things that came out of those completely unnecessary lockdowns, they were politically necessary for the liberals.
00:39:54.660 They were financially beneficial to the biggest corporations on earth.
00:39:59.300 The lockdowns represented the largest shift in wealth from the lower classes to the upper classes ever in human history.
00:40:06.920 But they were, from a standpoint of public health, completely unnecessary.
00:40:11.580 And what happened as a result?
00:40:13.100 People didn't get to see their loved ones before they died.
00:40:15.520 People didn't get to bury their loved ones.
00:40:17.160 People put off weddings.
00:40:18.480 People put off their school.
00:40:19.840 People lost their graduations.
00:40:21.120 People lost prom.
00:40:21.720 And I wonder, how many marriages broke down because of this?
00:40:27.160 How many?
00:40:29.900 When you upend all of the norms and routines of society, things are going to break.
00:40:35.720 Things did break economically, politically, but all the way down to the family.
00:40:39.600 How many marriages broke up because the Democrats wanted to lock the country down because there was an election the next year?
00:40:48.200 Among perhaps other reasons, but I think that's probably chief among them.
00:40:50.780 How many?
00:40:52.060 Speaking of breaking up, Republican Congressman Nancy Mace, who is a liberal Republican, but sometimes she takes the right sides on political fights. 0.99
00:41:03.060 She has gone on ABC News, and she has raised the prospect of replacing Kevin McCarthy as speaker.
00:41:11.060 So you've seen Matt Gaetz come out, not just Matt Gaetz, but him most loudly and prominently saying that he's going to push to oust McCarthy, a motion to vacate.
00:41:19.280 Could you see yourself under any circumstances supporting a motion to vacate?
00:41:25.320 It hasn't happened yet, and I'm not going to comment on conjecture here.
00:41:31.000 Either he's going to file it or he's not.
00:41:32.260 If he's going to do it, put his money where his mouth is.
00:41:34.200 I do hear that some votes might be up for grabs because people were made promises that have not been kept.
00:41:38.800 What about your vote?
00:41:39.480 Is it up for grabs?
00:41:40.400 Could you support that?
00:41:41.560 We'll see how it turns out, but I will tell you, I'm one of those members who have made certain promises.
00:41:46.520 I've worked on women's issues. 0.99
00:41:48.280 I've worked on issues related to gun violence that I feel are very important.
00:41:52.660 And it's fallen on deaf ears.
00:41:55.180 And if I give a handshake to someone, I expect them to follow through with it.
00:41:58.500 Wow, so you don't rule out supporting that.
00:42:00.100 Do you think?
00:42:00.560 You know what?
00:42:01.700 Everything's on the table at this point for me.
00:42:03.440 Good on her.
00:42:05.040 Good on her.
00:42:05.560 I kind of like her siding with the more conservative members here and trying to get a little bit of leverage on the House Speaker. 0.99
00:42:12.900 I generally have thought McCarthy is fine.
00:42:15.360 I thought he's a lot better than John Boehner.
00:42:17.300 Until I heard that story that I mentioned yesterday that has not been reported anywhere else,
00:42:22.340 that McCarthy seems to be pushing the vulnerable members of the Republican caucus to lay off the Bud Light boycott.
00:42:31.640 And I heard that story, and then I heard some of the evidence for it.
00:42:36.240 I heard about the way he was doing it through the supposedly private sector.
00:42:39.960 And I thought, I hope that's not true.
00:42:42.140 I certainly hope that's not true.
00:42:43.940 And it's a miscommunication, and they just give it up.
00:42:45.720 That started to weaken my general feelings of goodwill for Kevin McCarthy.
00:42:52.940 But the reason that I can't go all the way with the hardcore far right-wing extreme Republicans on Kevin McCarthy's speakership is my question, which is, who follows him?
00:43:07.620 Who follows McCarthy?
00:43:09.420 Do I think McCarthy is some rock-ribbed right-wing conservative?
00:43:12.980 No, I don't.
00:43:13.760 But he's better than the last few Republican speakers we've had.
00:43:19.720 And my question is, who else is it going to be?
00:43:21.960 Remember, they challenged McCarthy for speaker.
00:43:24.920 The conservative members did.
00:43:26.760 But then nobody wanted it.
00:43:28.140 Some people said, well, maybe Jim Jordan will do it.
00:43:30.040 Jim Jordan didn't want to do it.
00:43:32.300 Nobody wants that job.
00:43:33.300 It's probably the most thankless job in Washington.
00:43:35.940 Very difficult to wrangle a caucus like the Republicans, which is very diverse. 1.00
00:43:39.340 Unlike the Democrats, which, other than one or two representatives like Quell are, who are a little more conservative, they're all just progressives. 0.96
00:43:46.420 They're all just leftists.
00:43:48.120 In the Republican Party, you've got some liberals.
00:43:50.000 You've got some conservatives.
00:43:51.020 You've got some more populist-type candidates.
00:43:52.880 You've got some more nationalist-type candidates.
00:43:54.080 You've got some more globalist-type.
00:43:55.100 So it's hard to wrangle them.
00:43:56.780 Who comes next?
00:43:57.600 This is always my question when the libs talk about how they want to assassinate Vladimir Putin.
00:44:01.820 So you want to take up Putin.
00:44:02.960 Okay, who's next?
00:44:04.920 Who's next?
00:44:06.140 You don't even know anything about who's next.
00:44:08.180 You don't know anything about Russia.
00:44:09.280 You just know Putin's the bad guy, so you want to—
00:44:11.140 But sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
00:44:15.620 Remember Saddam Hussein was the devil?
00:44:17.140 Then what happened?
00:44:19.400 When he left, it wasn't necessarily an improvement.
00:44:21.720 Same thing with Muammar Gaddafi in Libya.
00:44:24.060 Certainly the same thing with Hosni Mubarak, who was actually an ally of ours in Egypt.
00:44:28.420 Who comes next?
00:44:30.280 That's the question.
00:44:31.820 We'll see.
00:44:32.420 But if McCarthy keeps playing games like this, keeps trying to loosen the Bud Light boycott, I don't know.
00:44:39.860 The pressure to boost him out of office might increase.
00:44:43.340 Okay, we've got so much more to get to, man.
00:44:45.520 Oh, I really want to get to all of it, but we don't have time.
00:44:47.740 So we'll get to that tomorrow.
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00:45:07.280 Yeah.
00:45:20.340 Keep going.
00:45:26.180 Yeah.
00:45:28.080 Yeah.
00:45:28.920 Yeah.
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00:45:30.680 Yeah.
00:45:30.720 Yeah.