Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) joins the show to talk about his opposition to a possible strike on Iran, and why he thinks it's a bad idea. Plus, a look at the White House response to the Hamas attack on Israel.
00:17:09.780That is the implicit campaign slogan of every Democrat.
00:17:12.560Hey, elect us, and we're going to completely f*** up your city, and everything is going to go to hell, and crime is going to go skyrocketing, and your kids are going to be indoctrinated and abused, and you're not going to trust the security of your property or anything else.
00:18:07.920And a lot of Republicans who live in suburban and rural areas actually kind of get a kick out of it, I think, at some level when the cities go up to hell in a handbasket because it confirms their beliefs about Democrat policies and about the nature of the cities.
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00:22:18.160This week's episode of Convicting a Murderer introduces an unlikely truth seeker.
00:22:21.880A cadaver dog named Loof might just uncover the hidden secrets found on Avery's property.
00:22:27.140Last I checked, dogs don't carry hidden agendas or ulterior motives like perhaps a documentary filmmaker.
00:22:34.820But as you might expect, this loyal and honest good little boy was not featured in the other docu-series because he discovers powerful and incriminating evidence against Stephen Avery.
00:22:48.540Brendan Dassey had confessed to burning Teresa Hallback's clothing, but you don't see anything about her clothing or the jean rivets in Making a Murderer.
00:22:57.820He told me to go throw it on the fire.
00:25:27.180Hamas, though they did kill some Israeli soldiers, attacked civilians.
00:25:32.880The intention of the attack was to kill civilians.
00:25:37.500They didn't warn the civilians to get out of the rave.
00:25:40.540They didn't warn civilians on the kibbutz to go run out of there.
00:25:44.600They intentionally attacked civilians to achieve political ends.
00:25:47.320When you attack ordinary civilian workers at the World Trade Center, that would be an act of terrorism.
00:25:54.240If you were to attack uniformed soldiers, that's less clearly an act of terrorism.
00:25:59.420If you yourself are a uniformed soldier of a legitimate authority, attacking another uniformed soldier of another legitimate authority, that's not terrorism.
00:26:23.720There's a lot of confusion these days on the ethics of war.
00:26:26.300Our friend Anna Navarro, the fake Republican who really, truly is just a liberal over at The View.
00:26:31.780She doesn't even really pretend to be a Republican anymore.
00:26:33.900They hired that flunky from the Trump administration to be the pretend Republican, Alyssa Farah.
00:26:39.100But Anna Navarro, representing a somewhat more center-left liberal view here, is insisting that we cannot expect the Israeli government to have any restraint in retaliating on Hamas.
00:26:52.620On the Biden thing, you know, the speech, there was a lot of things he said which were very important.
00:26:58.620There was also something he didn't say which was very important.
00:27:01.700There's been many attacks on Israel before.
00:27:04.220There's been many issues in that region before.
00:27:06.780And always the response from around the world has been to Israel, have restraint.
00:27:11.800Yesterday, nobody was telling Israel to have restraint because you cannot call on Israel to have restraint when 1,200 at least of their citizens have been slaughtered in the savage, inhumane, cruel, medieval way that they have been killed.
00:27:27.740And so, look, we're about to see much more carnage.
00:29:45.060If we're going to talk about moral matters, if we're going to talk about right and wrong, then let's speak seriously about it and not in this very silly and sophomoric way.
00:30:37.340The good to be achieved has to outweigh the evils of war, which does not mean that war should be undertaken in a purely utilitarian kind of calculation.
00:30:46.540All of those other moral demands also have to be met, and proportionality has to be met.
00:31:35.380I think Israel is generally pretty good here.
00:31:39.120But the people from the peanut gallery now who are saying things like, we need to just totally glass Gaza, or we need to have indiscriminate war, or we need to just start randomly bombing mullahs or other countries, they are not articulating a moral or just view of war.
00:31:56.720They are articulating an extremely immoral view that is extremely dangerous.
00:33:14.840This was the absolute perfect timing to shift over now to our guest for the show, Senator Rand Paul, who is one of the few people in public life who tends to call for restraint when it comes to questions of war.
00:33:29.980He's probably better known for that than any of his Senate colleagues.
00:33:33.060Senator Paul has a new book out on a totally different topic that is also very important and screwed up our world for three years, and a lot of people were deceived over.
00:33:42.800And he was probably the leading senator, probably the leading U.S. politician calling it out and warning about it.
00:34:07.680So, Senator, we opened the show today with your colleague, Lindsey Graham, calling for us to bomb Iran, I think because it's a day that ends in Y.
00:34:17.320Senator Graham decided to call to bomb Iran.
00:34:26.020You know, I think you do have to ask what happens next if you were to do something.
00:34:29.620What happens if you drop a bomb on Tehran?
00:34:32.100Currently, if you look at the public of Iran, the people of Iran, they're very restless towards the regime, restless towards Khomeini, and actually many of them pro-American.
00:34:41.920I think the first bomb that drops on Tehran, though, the nationalism of the Iranian people, those that are upset with Khomeini, also become upset with the United States as well for an attack.
00:34:52.880Lindsey Graham said on television, either this morning or yesterday, that even if there is no direct evidence, we should still bomb them.
00:34:59.040I think that's rash, unwise, and also discounts what our Constitution calls for.
00:35:05.200Our Constitution calls for debate, and it calls for the people through their representatives to decide war.
00:35:10.080I have many friends whose sons and daughters are in the military, 20, 22, 25 years old, and they're going to be marched off, and they're going to put their lives at risk for the rest of us.
00:35:21.140It's our obligation to have a full-throated debate on going to war anywhere, for anyone, even our best of allies.
00:35:28.240We have to have a debate, and there has to be a vote in Congress.
00:35:31.180And believe it or not, people think, oh, Congress is so feckless, we should just let the president do this.
00:35:35.400Congress will never, you know, get it right.
00:35:38.040But after 9-11, the vote was nearly unanimous.
00:35:40.140My father, who's about as anti-war as you can get, voted for the 9-11 authorization for force to go in to get those who attacked us on 9-11.
00:35:48.700When we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, the vote, once again, nearly unanimous.
00:35:52.660But we also have to remember that after 9-11, many people said Iraq did it.
00:35:58.460And I can remember the bombs being unleashed on Iraq, and they had so convinced our soldiers that they were handwriting on the bombs, this is payback for 9-11.
00:36:06.720And it turns out they had nothing to do with 9-11.
00:36:08.860It doesn't mean they were a great regime or Saddam Hussein was a Nobel Peace Prize winner, but it meant they had nothing to do.
00:36:15.720In some ways, we took our eye off of the people who did attack us on 9-11.
00:36:22.040The first thing is if there are Americans held hostage and our allies, Israelis, have held hostage, that's the first priority is trying to free the hostages.
00:36:30.060And I think the second is trying to make sure Hamas can't do this again and that they're incapacitated.
00:36:36.480And that will require a military incapacitation.
00:36:39.300But that will be primarily from Israel.
00:36:41.100You know, they attacked Israel, and Israel will respond.
00:36:43.280And as much as I don't want war, I'm also not one who will be mouthing off saying Israel shouldn't do anything.
00:36:49.620I'm going to be saying Israel should do what they need to do, and only they can know best.
00:36:54.240But I think those who believe and want to talk about the political situation of Gaza or the West Bank, they lose all credibility.
00:37:01.240Who's going to listen to you if you're killing women and children?
00:37:03.380If you're going to a concert in the desert and mowing down unarmed people, who wants to listen to your argument?
00:37:10.080So those people, I think, if anything, have unified people in support of Israel for the most part.
00:37:15.520And those who aren't at this point, you know, the groups at Harvard or the other Middle Eastern countries around there that still blame Israel on this, I think they lose all credibility.
00:37:25.100Before we get to China and COVID, I want to make one last foreign stop up at the other potential source of the Third World War, which is Ukraine.
00:37:35.420You're one of the few people in Washington who very early on has urged caution in our role in Ukraine.
00:37:42.540How does the attack in Israel change the war aims in Ukraine, the situation on the ground, the threat of a broader global war?
00:37:52.960Are we going to keep funding the war in Ukraine?
00:37:56.040Is there an off ramp or is this just going to go on forever?
00:38:02.420We have no money to give anyone, frankly.
00:38:04.160We have to borrow any money we give to foreign countries.
00:38:07.420We essentially bought from China to send it elsewhere.
00:38:10.460But they know there's rising discussion and dissension in the Republican ranks about more and more and more money for Ukraine.
00:38:18.120So what they're going to do and what I understand the plan will be is this week they will link Israel's aid, which will be much more popular, to Ukraine.
00:38:26.100But then I've also heard they're going to put in money for Taiwan as well.
00:38:29.400So it's like just, Katie, bar the door.
00:38:31.360We're just going to open the floodgates of money the same way Democrats believe in flooding the domestic economy with borrowed money.
00:38:37.400Now we're going to flood the foreign economies with printed money.
00:38:43.920And what I've asked for each time when you do it, if you think this is in our national interest, which I frankly don't think Ukraine is, but if you think it is, let's offset it.
00:40:33.640But that's a real problem we have is we don't do that.
00:40:35.460We just give everybody everything in Washington.
00:40:37.980Including China and including that lab in Wuhan.
00:40:40.740I mean, I suppose this is the subject of your book that's come out.
00:40:44.880And early on, when you called out Fauci and you called out NIH and you raised these questions, you were called a conspiracy theorist.
00:40:52.840And the rest of us who were not in the U.S. Senate were called conspiracy theorists.
00:40:56.820And then it would seem that we all turned out to be completely right.
00:41:00.380And there's been no accountability for it at all.
00:41:02.760Well, and add on to that, at least before this outbreak of war in the Middle East, we saw the COVID restrictions creeping up again, implausibly.
00:41:12.860We hadn't seen this in something like two and a half years.
00:41:14.840And then again, Lionsgate and Hollywood adds the mask restrictions.
00:41:31.100The amazing thing in the book is that we prove that everything that Fauci lied about is disprovable or proved to be a lie in his own words now.
00:41:41.380We now have emails revealed from 2020 where he's saying he knew they were doing gain-of-function research in Wuhan.
00:41:47.340And he knew that the research was dangerous.
00:41:49.300And he knew that the virus appeared to be manipulated.
00:41:56.580We now have one of his chief lieutenants, this Christian Anderson, who was all in, saying it came from the lab, saying it was gain-of-function research.
00:42:06.800Three days later, he flips and says, oh, no, you're crazy if you think that.
00:42:10.980But in private emails, he's saying it's not a fringe theory.
00:42:23.680In the book, we reveal that there was a pause on funding for this dangerous research and that it was evaded by one man, by Anthony Fauci, who gave them permission to go around the rules.
00:42:34.560And then when they set in place a safety committee that said, if you're doing dangerous gain-of-function, if you're mixing viruses together to make them more infectious or more lethal, that you have to go before this committee.