The Michael Knowles Show - October 19, 2023


Ep. 1353 - Conservative Jailed For Posting This Meme


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conservative internet meme artist Douglas Mackey has been sentenced by an Obama judge to seven months in prison for posting moderately funny memes. The memes are just a riff on an old political joke in which you instruct your co-partisans to vote the right way and your opponents the wrong way.

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00:00:00.000 Conservative internet meme artist Douglas Mackey has officially been sentenced by an Obama judge
00:00:05.460 to seven months in prison for posting moderately funny memes.
00:00:10.700 The memes are just a riff on an old political joke in which you instruct your co-partisans
00:00:16.280 to vote the right way and your opponents to vote the wrong way.
00:00:21.000 The joke usually goes, hey, Republicans, vote on Tuesday.
00:00:24.320 Oh, you're a Democrat?
00:00:25.300 Vote on Wednesday.
00:00:26.260 Don't forget, you got to vote.
00:00:27.520 Not one minute sooner than Wednesday, that kind of thing.
00:00:30.360 Here's one of the jokes that he posted.
00:00:32.740 This is Hillary. 0.96
00:00:33.660 It looks like a Hillary ad, but it's obviously not one because it says vote for her.
00:00:40.580 Vote from home. 0.94
00:00:42.180 Post Hillary using hashtag presidential election saying on November 8th, type the word Hillary
00:00:48.760 and post it to Twitter or Facebook using the hashtag presidential election between 7 a.m.
00:00:53.800 and 9 p.m. Eastern to cast your vote from Hillary from home. 0.97
00:00:58.020 Stronger together.
00:00:58.860 And then it says, powered by Microsoft.
00:01:01.240 So if you were too dull to know that this was a joke from the beginning, if you were too
00:01:06.840 uninformed about how our government works to know that you can't vote by posting to Twitter,
00:01:12.040 if you just missed the joke, at the bottom there, the powered by Microsoft, I think,
00:01:18.500 forces you to get that it's a joke because presumably Microsoft is not supposed to be running
00:01:23.320 our elections.
00:01:23.820 I guess, actually, sorry, I should take that back because we're living in a day and age
00:01:27.100 in which Google and Facebook have much more control over our elections than ordinary people
00:01:31.740 and mayors and townships and states.
00:01:33.680 So you're right.
00:01:34.200 Maybe you missed that.
00:01:35.040 But truly, if you mistake this for real campaign instructions, you should not vote.
00:01:42.460 Certainly not.
00:01:43.200 You probably shouldn't be able to live on your own.
00:01:47.660 So impaired must you be in your basic functioning.
00:01:51.820 Here's another meme.
00:01:53.680 Again, posted by Douglas Mackey.
00:01:56.040 Save time.
00:01:57.360 Avoid the line.
00:01:59.040 Vote from home. 0.94
00:02:00.040 Text Hillary to 59925.
00:02:03.120 And we'll make history together this November 8th.
00:02:05.480 And the key here, too, is not only are these obviously jokes, they're memes, but they're
00:02:13.700 being posted from an account with a MAGA hat on, from Douglas Mackey's account.
00:02:18.300 They're being posted by people who then, when they repost it, they say,
00:02:21.840 at the Ricky Vaughn, that was his handle, thanks for spreading the word.
00:02:26.540 Hashtag MAGA.
00:02:28.520 Hashtag I'm with her.
00:02:29.460 Hashtag vote Hillary from home.
00:02:30.700 Save time and avoid the line.
00:02:31.820 So they're even using the hashtag MAGA.
00:02:33.860 They're using the Trump hashtag, because it's obviously a joke.
00:02:37.600 And for those mildly spicy memes, Mackey is going to prison.
00:02:43.600 Because in the words of Judge Obamahack, the memes constituted, quote,
00:02:49.160 a scheme to deprive individuals of their constitutional right to vote,
00:02:53.140 and were therefore, quote, nothing short of an assault on our democracy.
00:02:59.880 Democracy.
00:03:00.440 So, another peaceful conservative dissident goes to the clink to join the Midwestern grannies 0.98
00:03:08.900 and the pro-lifers and all the other people who have had the temerity to express their political
00:03:14.860 views and oppose the ruling class.
00:03:18.480 What sort of government do they think this is?
00:03:21.240 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:03:22.020 This is the Michael Knowles Show.
00:03:42.240 In just a moment, we will see a nun tackle a leftist climate protester, which is a great joy.
00:03:48.280 We'll get to that in a moment.
00:03:49.080 First, though, I don't want to move off our democracy too quickly.
00:03:53.540 Are we living?
00:03:54.460 Is that with this?
00:03:56.120 Is this a democracy?
00:03:57.260 If this is democracy, I think our founding fathers deserve a refund.
00:04:02.140 If expressing in even the mildest, funniest, most anodyne ways, your opposition to the liberal
00:04:10.500 ruling class is a threat to our democracy, and it means you've got to go to prison for
00:04:15.380 months and months at a time, if not years, I think democracy doesn't quite mean what they
00:04:20.980 think it means.
00:04:21.620 Here's Nancy Pelosi suggesting that if Republicans elect a speaker of the House that she doesn't
00:04:29.620 like, if they vote, if the representatives in the government vote and then most of them
00:04:36.140 get what they want, that's a threat to democracy.
00:04:40.580 It is a reminder that the speaker is second in line to the presidency.
00:04:44.460 And when you had a president who was refusing to be president and you had a vice president
00:04:49.940 who was hiding and fearing for his life, it was the speaker who had to take charge.
00:04:56.540 And you did that.
00:04:57.360 The idea that the person in that position, if something catastrophic were to happen to
00:05:04.000 the Capitol again, would be an insurrectionist, somebody who was on the side of the insurrectionist,
00:05:10.840 I can't wrap my mind around it fully, and I wonder what you make of it.
00:05:15.060 The public has to understand what is at stake.
00:05:18.760 Our democracy is at stake.
00:05:20.980 What have the Republicans accomplished at all, even when they had a president in the White
00:05:24.760 House from time to time?
00:05:26.120 An enormous tax cut for the super rich and corporations.
00:05:28.640 Now, some of them have said this is a bridge too far for our democracy.
00:05:33.800 And we respect differences of opinion.
00:05:37.220 That's our democracy.
00:05:39.500 We welcome the fray, the conversation, the debate.
00:05:44.680 It's not a question of, I don't like what you believe, so therefore you're not right.
00:05:50.520 No, that's your right.
00:05:52.040 You represent your district and that's it.
00:05:54.120 But if you're not honoring the oath of office, if you don't respect our democracy, that is
00:06:01.000 a line that cannot be crossed.
00:06:04.200 How many times did she say democracy?
00:06:07.720 It's like a stutter with her.
00:06:11.160 Ma'am, what would you like for lunch?
00:06:12.540 I think I would democracy have the double quarter democracy pounder with democracy cheese. 0.67
00:06:18.440 And maybe, ma'am, would you like a medium or a large?
00:06:21.140 I'd like a democracy.
00:06:22.480 Large.
00:06:22.840 I want a large ice diet, democracy diet, democracy, democracy, Coke, democracy, or sacred democracy.
00:06:30.860 And I love she says, look, it's not about differences of opinion.
00:06:34.720 You have a difference of opinion?
00:06:36.220 I respect that.
00:06:37.680 If you disagree with me, look, we the people, we debate it, we discuss, we come to conclusions.
00:06:44.020 But if I actually disagree with you, then it's a threat to democracy.
00:06:48.960 You see, if you disagree with me in a kind of pretend way, like a Mitt Romney kind of way,
00:06:54.480 where you push back a little tiny bit, but then ultimately it's your job just to lose and to roll
00:06:58.960 over and let us win, then obviously that's wonderful for our sacred democracy. 0.93
00:07:02.820 But if you actually defend the interests of your constituents and you actually make reasoned
00:07:08.840 arguments that defeat my reasoned arguments, well, then you're an insurrectionist and you
00:07:12.720 go to prison because you're a threat to that.
00:07:16.020 Obviously, by definition, whatever the most people vote for is an expression of the democracy.
00:07:26.800 Always.
00:07:27.320 It's not the way that the liberals currently say it is, which is if most people vote for Obama,
00:07:33.120 democracy is working.
00:07:34.360 If most people vote for Trump, democracy is under threat.
00:07:37.080 If most people vote for Orban in Hungary, democracy is on the verge of extinction.
00:07:41.460 If most people vote for the Brexit in the UK or they vote for Maloney in Italy or any other
00:07:46.480 right-wing government, that's a grave threat. 0.82
00:07:48.420 That's, of course, not it.
00:07:49.860 In that case, they're confusing liberalism and democracy, which are different things.
00:07:54.540 Liberalism is an ideology.
00:07:58.280 It could be held by a minority of people.
00:08:00.680 It usually is held by a minority of people.
00:08:02.800 But they conflate the two things.
00:08:04.820 So they say, oh, the vast majority of people voted for Donald Trump.
00:08:07.140 Well, that's a threat to democracy because does democracy means liberalism.
00:08:10.200 So she's making a very stupid point there.
00:08:12.200 But she does get to a kernel of truth.
00:08:15.300 And I haven't heard anyone else point out the little tiny grain of truth that, ironically,
00:08:22.800 Democrats like Nancy Pelosi are showing.
00:08:25.440 They're revealing when they make this point, which we'll get to in one second.
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00:09:46.880 The nearest thing to a coherent point that Nancy Pelosi is making when she says that most people voting for conservatives threatens democracy
00:10:02.380 is that democracy can undo itself.
00:10:07.760 So, for instance, if most people went to the ballot box and they voted for a ballot proposition that said that we're going to cease to be a democracy and become a monarchy
00:10:18.940 and we're going to elect King Donaldo Maximus and he will reign as the great Caesar for a thousand years,
00:10:25.780 and they voted for that, that would be the democracy undoing itself.
00:10:32.520 Now, of course, that's not what anyone has done here.
00:10:34.300 In fact, Donald Trump ran on a much more pro-democratic platform than his liberal opponents, certainly than Hillary Clinton.
00:10:40.940 Jim Jordan is running on a much more pro-democracy platform for Speaker of the House than many speakers and basically any speaker we've had in recent history.
00:10:48.200 But in principle, a democracy could undo itself.
00:10:53.100 And in fact, Nancy Pelosi is right that our sacred democracy faces a threat of undoing itself from her side.
00:11:02.060 That's the part she's missing.
00:11:03.660 That's the part all the Democrats are missing.
00:11:05.440 It's not the right-wing Republicans who are threatening democracy.
00:11:09.140 It's the Democrats who are undermining the very prerequisites of democracy.
00:11:16.200 The most often cited quote on this front is from John Adams who says that our Constitution is built for a moral and religious people.
00:11:26.000 And in 2023, we read that quote and we say, oh, isn't that sweet?
00:11:30.360 John Adams liked religion.
00:11:31.700 He actually didn't like religion all that much.
00:11:33.200 He wasn't even remotely an Orthodox Christian.
00:11:35.840 But he recognized that if you lost religion, you would lose morality.
00:11:42.040 And if you lost morality, the Constitution would be worthless.
00:11:45.120 It would just be a dead sheet of paper with no enforcement mechanism.
00:11:50.860 That has undermined our sacred democracy.
00:11:53.440 Sometimes people will also pedantically point out that we're a republic, not a democracy, which is half true.
00:11:59.740 It's half true in the sense that we're obviously not a direct democracy like certain societies in antiquity.
00:12:05.220 But we're a representative republic.
00:12:08.640 Okay, sure.
00:12:10.040 But actually, the way that the framers of our Constitution use the words democracy and republic in the Federalist Papers is very confused.
00:12:17.800 And they sometimes point to ancient republics as democracies and vice versa.
00:12:21.940 So anyway, broadly speaking, we are mostly a democracy.
00:12:26.560 Frankly, the way the Constitution was set up is a little closer to what Thomas Aquinas described as the ideal polity, which is that you've got a monarchical element in the United States in the person of the president.
00:12:37.020 Then you've got an aristocratic representation.
00:12:39.320 You see this in institutions like the Senate.
00:12:42.040 You see this in the representation for the states.
00:12:43.840 You see this in the way that landed gentry had more political sway. 0.85
00:12:48.340 And then you see a strong democratic representation, too.
00:12:50.540 We have that.
00:12:51.340 We've undermined a lot of it.
00:12:52.880 The biggest thing undermining it is the loss of religion and morality.
00:12:56.940 That is being driven not entirely but almost exclusively by the Democrats.
00:13:02.760 You want to whine and cry about the loss of our sacred democracy?
00:13:05.940 Blame Nancy Pelosi. 1.00
00:13:08.380 So where does our sacred democracy stand?
00:13:10.620 Where does Jim Jordan's race stand?
00:13:13.740 It's not looking great.
00:13:15.220 You know, I love Jim Jordan.
00:13:16.560 The only reason that I didn't immediately endorse him for speaker is because I like him too much, and I think he's a good guy.
00:13:22.460 And I think being the Republican Speaker of the House is the worst job in Washington, D.C.
00:13:25.880 I'm sure he'd be great at it, but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
00:13:29.800 Anyway, Jim threw his hat in the ring, and he ended up beating out Steve Scalise, who first got the nomination, then didn't have the votes.
00:13:36.860 He dropped out of the race.
00:13:37.660 Now Jim Jordan's up.
00:13:38.960 He went up for the vote and lost.
00:13:42.660 And then they went up for a second vote.
00:13:44.640 He lost again.
00:13:45.560 A total of 199 members voted for Jim Jordan yesterday, which means he lost by a greater margin than he had the day before.
00:13:55.640 He ended up losing one additional vote because he previously had gotten 200 votes the day before.
00:14:01.960 So now there are 22 Republican defectors voting for other people in the GOP.
00:14:07.980 Hakeem Jeffries ended up getting more votes, 212, but not enough to elect him speaker.
00:14:12.520 So now what are we going to do?
00:14:14.120 Well, this was always the fear.
00:14:15.440 In fact, I think this is why Jim Jordan did not vote to oust Kevin McCarthy is because there wasn't much of a plan on who was going to replace him.
00:14:23.700 Steve Scalise, he didn't have the votes.
00:14:25.120 Jim Jordan doesn't currently have the votes.
00:14:26.660 I hope he gets them.
00:14:28.540 Who?
00:14:28.920 What are they going to do?
00:14:29.780 One possibility is to expand the powers of the temporary House Speaker, Patrick McHenry.
00:14:37.340 So Patrick McHenry, just by default, gets this position as the temporary Speaker of the House.
00:14:42.720 But he doesn't really have virtually any of the power of the Speaker of the House.
00:14:46.540 So one solution that's been proposed is to just give him those powers passed as an act of Congress.
00:14:52.260 And then once he has those powers, they can kind of get through this term and then figure out what happens in 2024.
00:14:58.440 Not ideal, not a great way for the Republicans to exercise power.
00:15:04.000 It seems to me we've got a very slim majority and Democrats have the Senate, Democrats have the White House, Democrats have the deep state and the media and the universities and virtually every power center in the country.
00:15:15.900 So the holdouts on Jim Jordan, 22 of them, they're virtually all squishes.
00:15:22.260 Maybe not every single, pretty much every single one of them, though.
00:15:26.480 They're squishes, they're liberals, they're saboteurs, they're just awful.
00:15:32.760 And they need to get on board because if they don't, then the Republicans will be ceding the very little control that they currently have in the government.
00:15:41.740 And maybe that's what these squishes wanted the whole time. 1.00
00:15:44.680 Maybe that's what these limp Republicans, impotent Republicans always kind of wanted.
00:15:51.300 The reason that being the Republican Speaker of the House is the worst job in the country, certainly in Washington, D.C., is because the Democrats are all on the same page.
00:16:00.700 With the exception of Joe Manchin and maybe Kyrsten Sinema, they're all progressive leftists.
00:16:05.760 There is barely a blue dog left in the bunch.
00:16:08.500 So they're all on the same page and they can join together and act and throw their weight around because they're unified.
00:16:15.140 The Republicans are not.
00:16:16.120 The Republicans have conservatives.
00:16:17.560 The Republicans have libertarians.
00:16:19.080 The Republicans have liberals.
00:16:20.820 The conservatives have the self-styled moderates.
00:16:24.240 The conservatives have the Chamber of Commerce people.
00:16:26.920 They're disparate factions and they don't have a ton bringing them together.
00:16:30.720 So they're going to hang apart.
00:16:32.380 And what these squishes are saying is they're saying, look, I would rather give Democrats much more control over the House of Representatives and have nearly unified control over the government than empower one of those mean old conservatives.
00:16:45.180 Jim Jordan, too, by the way, because Jim Jordan has very conservative beliefs.
00:16:49.100 But he is as respectable a guy in Congress as there possibly could be.
00:16:53.340 He's as decent a guy as you're going to find in the House of Representatives.
00:16:56.940 And if he is too far and crazy and right wing for them, then they're just not conservative, which means that the five-person Republican majority was largely illusory because we weren't able to get a speaker.
00:17:11.000 Yes, they kind of agreed on Kevin McCarthy, but the only way that Kevin finally got his speakership the first time, the only time, I guess, is when he conceded so much of his power that they were able to depose him nine months later.
00:17:25.320 Basically, the same thing happened with Paul Ryan.
00:17:27.360 Paul Ryan was a compromise candidate.
00:17:28.840 He didn't ask for the job.
00:17:30.060 He wanted to remain chairman of the Budget Committee.
00:17:32.100 He was drafted as the only person who could bring the factions of the GOP together.
00:17:36.180 And then he left in ignominy.
00:17:38.220 Nobody liked him by the time he left.
00:17:40.280 How about John Boehner?
00:17:43.520 John Boehner, deeply unpopular speaker.
00:17:45.860 No one likes him now.
00:17:46.620 He basically just shills for Democrats while he's sipping red wine and smoking a cig on the cover of his tell-all book, bashing conservatives.
00:17:53.880 We just don't have any ability to function as Republicans at the national level in Washington, D.C.
00:18:02.620 One of the reasons I was a little skeptical of ousting McCarthy, although that fate was sealed the moment that McCarthy made his deal with the conservatives to become speaker in the first place.
00:18:15.140 So where do we go from here?
00:18:16.500 We either go to Speaker Jordan or we lose a lot of power.
00:18:19.120 That's where we go.
00:18:20.500 Ultimately, though, ultimately, regardless of who becomes speaker, the deep state, which is the spooky term for the federal bureaucracy, perfectly ordinary political concept that we all know about, nothing conspiratorial about it at all.
00:18:36.540 Well, the deep state's going to do what it wants to do, regardless of what Congress does.
00:18:41.280 In fact, here's how we know this.
00:18:42.280 Wall Street Journal just reports, and the Pentagon doesn't deny, that 2,000 U.S. troops have been told to prepare to deploy to help the state of Israel against Hamas and whichever other Middle Eastern nations get involved in the war.
00:18:58.420 Pentagon said, yes, okay, roughly 2,000 U.S. troops were told, quote, I don't have more to provide at this time.
00:19:07.500 I might be able to give you more details later, but at this time, I just don't have anything more specific to add.
00:19:13.060 That's according to the Deputy Press Secretary, Sabrina Singh, of the Pentagon.
00:19:19.320 And this, to me, is the best and worst part of the House of Representatives' failure to govern.
00:19:27.960 This is the best and the worst part of the House's failure to pass a budget in recent years.
00:19:33.540 This is the best and worst part of the House's failure to even have a speaker.
00:19:37.860 Is it shows you just how little Congress has to do with our actual government.
00:19:45.440 This is the best part of it in that it rips off the facade.
00:19:52.060 Remember back in, what was it, July?
00:19:54.800 Maybe it was a little earlier.
00:19:56.000 When there was a big hubbub about funding the war in Ukraine.
00:19:59.480 And people didn't want to fund the war in Ukraine.
00:20:01.280 Most Americans don't want to fund that war.
00:20:03.020 Certainly most Republicans don't want to fund that war.
00:20:05.760 So Congress was saying, no, no more funding for Ukraine.
00:20:08.280 And what happened?
00:20:09.800 The deep state came out and they said, oh, hey, we found $6 billion.
00:20:13.180 That's not even exactly how they said it.
00:20:15.780 Because that claim gets 10 Pinocchios on the fact check.
00:20:19.280 But it's effectively what they said.
00:20:20.440 Because they said, well, actually, look, in that money that was already allocated, we sent some weapons over to Ukraine.
00:20:24.820 And we've decided after the fact that the weapons were worth less than we said they were worth.
00:20:31.480 So, yeah, how did we decide that?
00:20:33.800 I don't know.
00:20:34.160 We just, I don't know.
00:20:34.740 We got new analysts.
00:20:36.100 And they said that actually the guns and the tanks and the whatever, they're worth a lot less.
00:20:40.300 So that means we'd already allocated the money.
00:20:42.900 It means effectively we've got another $6 billion.
00:20:45.920 Congress didn't allocate it.
00:20:46.960 We just sort of found it in the couch cushions.
00:20:48.680 And we're going to send more weapons over to Ukraine.
00:20:51.320 Okay, easy.
00:20:52.340 We don't need to talk to a single stupid congressman to get that kind of money. 0.99
00:20:57.860 It's the same thing.
00:20:58.700 All of these government shutdowns in recent years, they don't impede the function of government really at all.
00:21:04.080 Why?
00:21:05.660 Because our duly elected representatives of our sacred democracy that the Democrats never shut up about don't really seem to have all that much to do with our actual government.
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00:23:32.360 Speaking of that war in Israel and now throughout the Middle East,
00:23:36.220 there's a story that happened a couple days ago about a hospital struck by some kind of explosive.
00:23:45.300 And I didn't cover it on the show.
00:23:47.000 And my producer said, aren't you going to cover the hospital story?
00:23:50.480 And I said, what am I going to cover?
00:23:52.780 I said, well, you know, the story about how the thing exploded and how it was, conversely,
00:23:57.980 the Palestinian Islamic Jihad that misfired a rocket and the rocket accidentally hit the hospital and it killed 500 people.
00:24:05.560 Or, some say, it was a missile from Israel and it hit the hospital and now Israel was lying about it to cover up their tracks.
00:24:11.860 Or, it was a missile that hit from either the Islamic Jihad or from Israel and it only hit a parking lot.
00:24:19.800 And it hit a parking lot, but people still died.
00:24:22.560 But, was it 500 people or many fewer people died?
00:24:25.600 And the building was slightly damaged, but maybe someone was in the parking lot.
00:24:28.380 And my answer is, I just don't know.
00:24:32.820 I just don't know.
00:24:34.020 So, here's what I know.
00:24:35.600 The state of Israel, as a general rule, tries to minimize civilian deaths.
00:24:41.740 Hamas does not try to minimize civilian deaths.
00:24:45.640 We know that for a fact.
00:24:49.120 Beyond that, we just don't know very much.
00:24:52.420 So, if you asked me, Michael, what's your hunch?
00:24:54.800 Was the rocket from Hamas or was the rocket from the state of Israel?
00:24:57.880 I guess I would say my hunch is, or rather from the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
00:25:02.020 I guess I would say my hunch is, it came from the jihadis.
00:25:07.820 But I don't really know.
00:25:09.380 And you don't really know either.
00:25:10.840 And nobody knows.
00:25:12.340 Because we're currently in the heat of war.
00:25:16.220 Or we're seeing the heat of war.
00:25:18.040 We're seeing the fog of war.
00:25:19.280 We're seeing all of that confusion.
00:25:20.940 And we're being inundated with propaganda from both sides.
00:25:24.840 And so, I just don't know.
00:25:26.140 Now, the only thing I know for certain about right now, minute by minute, what's going on
00:25:33.100 on the ground, is that the U.S. interest is to contain the war.
00:25:38.100 That's all I know.
00:25:40.780 That's not the interest of the belligerents in the war.
00:25:43.680 The interest of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah and Iran is to expand the 0.54
00:25:52.700 war to destroy the state of Israel.
00:25:54.700 The interest of the state of Israel is to expand the war to destroy its enemies. 0.51
00:26:02.120 Hamas first. 1.00
00:26:03.460 Maybe Hezbollah. 0.92
00:26:04.400 Maybe Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
00:26:05.960 Maybe regime change in Iran.
00:26:07.280 Those two national interests, or I guess Palestine's not a nation state, but those two belligerent 0.72
00:26:15.240 interests are not the same as America's interest.
00:26:17.960 America's interest is to contain the war so this doesn't become a broader regional conflict
00:26:22.420 and then a global war that's going to pull us into it.
00:26:24.780 That's our interest.
00:26:26.380 Our interests don't always align.
00:26:28.140 We are allies with the state of Israel.
00:26:30.140 So, we defend our allies.
00:26:31.900 It's an important part of international relations and diplomacy.
00:26:34.740 But our foreign interests are not identical with those of the state of Israel.
00:26:41.240 A key example of this would have been the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict that just took place
00:26:46.420 between the state of Azerbaijan and the Armenians, the Muslim Azerbaijanis and the Armenian Christians.
00:26:53.400 Armenia, the oldest Christian nation in the world.
00:26:56.180 In that case, the state of Israel backed Azerbaijan.
00:26:59.700 I get why the state of Israel did it.
00:27:01.280 It was in the state of Israel's national interest to counter other regional powers.
00:27:04.740 But that would just be one small example of a place where our foreign interests diverge.
00:27:11.200 And so, we have an alliance with the state of Israel.
00:27:13.920 We're sending aircraft carriers to the state of Israel.
00:27:17.240 We're doing our very level best to contain this conflict.
00:27:21.300 But I do not see an argument as to how it is in America's interest to escalate,
00:27:27.320 to start bombing the mullahs in Iran, to do any of these things.
00:27:31.600 We have to be very—I know there are plenty of voices in Washington, D.C. calling for a broader conflict.
00:27:36.660 Even as we're seeing the war in Ukraine bring us already to the brink of World War III,
00:27:41.840 because it's the first major war in Europe since World War II.
00:27:44.120 Already, as we're seeing China begin to aggress in the South China Sea and on Taiwan,
00:27:48.680 bringing us close, as we've been in a long time, to World War III.
00:27:51.720 There are some people in Washington saying, let's let the bombs drop, baby, let's go.
00:27:56.240 Uh-uh.
00:27:57.000 No.
00:27:58.320 We've got to be very, very clear about the U.S. interest.
00:28:02.540 Generally speaking, do I think that this hospital attack was perpetrated by our ally,
00:28:09.640 the state of Israel, versus the Islamic terrorists?
00:28:15.100 No.
00:28:15.720 I think it probably was the Islamic terrorists. 0.95
00:28:18.800 That's not even my first question when I look at these kinds of events.
00:28:22.820 My first question is, what is the American interest?
00:28:25.640 What is in service of the cause of justice?
00:28:27.840 What prevents World War III? 0.91
00:28:29.740 Okay.
00:28:30.280 Whatever those answers are, in as much as they can align, do it.
00:28:34.920 We do not want a global conflict now.
00:28:38.100 Speaking of death and crimes, a big story on the cultural front from Britney Spears,
00:28:44.980 who has a book coming out.
00:28:46.820 And in the book, she says she had an abortion when she was younger and while she was dating
00:28:50.380 Justin Timberlake, which you might recall was all the media was talking.
00:28:54.800 The media was talking about Justin and Britney for like half of my childhood, I feel like.
00:28:59.280 And apparently, there was always a big question.
00:29:01.700 Did they or did they not?
00:29:03.000 You know, did they do that thing that only married people are supposed to do? 1.00
00:29:05.360 I guess the answer was they did.
00:29:06.580 And Britney then became pregnant.
00:29:09.140 And then she says she had an abortion. 0.90
00:29:11.040 And she said, if it had been left up to me alone, I never would have done it.
00:29:16.180 And yet, Justin was so sure that he didn't want to be a father.
00:29:20.620 He said, we weren't ready to have a baby in our lives, that we were way too young.
00:29:24.880 To this day, it's one of the most agonizing things I've ever experienced in my life.
00:29:28.680 To which I say, many such cases, many such cases.
00:29:34.520 There was a young woman who wrote into the show, this was maybe years ago now.
00:29:40.640 And she said, hey, Michael, I've got an abortion appointment, but I know you're pro-life.
00:29:44.560 So what do you think?
00:29:45.540 Should I not do it?
00:29:46.420 And my first response was, do not, do not, under any circumstance, go through with the abortion.
00:29:57.180 You will regret it the rest of your life.
00:29:59.240 The reason not to have the abortion is because you're killing your child.
00:30:05.020 The reason not to have the abortion is because it's intrinsically unjust.
00:30:08.000 But if you're trying to reach someone just on a very emotional level, even in a very selfish level,
00:30:14.100 make it clear, you will regret it for the rest of your life.
00:30:17.880 I know a number of women who have had abortions. 0.95
00:30:20.980 I know some women who have had multiple abortions. 1.00
00:30:25.580 It's very difficult for them to get over it.
00:30:28.680 They never totally get over it.
00:30:30.320 Some of them have healed and repented and moved on and lived edifying, sanctifying lives.
00:30:35.540 But that's not something you really just like get over.
00:30:40.700 And then Britney famously, not that long thereafter, went completely crazy and then was placed in a conservatorship 0.99
00:30:46.380 and still exhibits all these kind of crazy behaviors.
00:30:50.580 You think there might be a connection there?
00:30:53.460 I've seen that kind of connection.
00:30:55.440 I think, I suspect there strongly is.
00:30:57.120 It's like Lady Macbeth trying to wipe out the blood, out damn spot.
00:31:03.380 That's a driver of that.
00:31:04.940 I wonder, as we see the explosion of anxiety and depression and suicidality and just psychosis among young women,
00:31:12.620 the number of young women who have to be prescribed all these powerful psych meds right now.
00:31:17.300 I wonder if some of that, maybe much of that, has to do with a culture that encourages them to commit actions that lead to such regret.
00:31:27.200 But most clearly abortion, but the whole thing, the culture of promiscuity, the hookup culture, feminism, all the rest of it. 0.96
00:31:35.960 Might there be a connection between the insanity that people are expressing, meant to, meant to, meant to, in a different way.
00:31:46.520 The insanity that people seem to be displaying today and the insane and unreasonable behaviors that they engage in that lead to such regret.
00:31:55.240 Speaking of Hollywood people, Millie Bobby Brown, who is the star of Stranger Things, she's the alien girl or whatever, like the, it's not an alien thing.
00:32:05.020 It's like whatever, the kind of spooky telepathic girl in Stranger Things.
00:32:08.700 Millie Bobby Brown has said that she is a feminist and she knows she is a feminist because a psychic told her. 0.99
00:32:15.660 Which, to me, totally checks out because psychics gain their dubious insights by communing with demons.
00:32:24.380 So I'm not surprised at all that a demon would encourage anyone to become a feminist.
00:32:28.380 In fact, I think that's a large driver of feminism, probably, at least indirectly. 1.00
00:32:35.120 A lot of people are laughing at this.
00:32:36.260 They say, you get your insights from a psychic?
00:32:38.400 Yeah, of course, people do.
00:32:42.180 Because people have a natural inclination toward the religious.
00:32:47.080 And when they don't practice true religion, religion, which is a habit of virtue that inclines the will to give God what he deserves.
00:32:55.220 When you don't follow theology, which is faith seeking understanding, applying logic and reason to our intuitions of God and our longing for God.
00:33:04.620 Then, you become the most superstitious person in the world.
00:33:08.040 And you do the crystals and the horoscopes and the astrology and the psychics and the vibes, man.
00:33:13.120 And like the yoga and the feeling, the chakras with the whatever.
00:33:16.840 And you just go into all this kind of craziness.
00:33:20.340 I don't want to knock Millie Bobby Brown because she seems actually pretty promising. 1.00
00:33:24.940 Well, she's a good actress, good little actress. 0.99
00:33:26.660 And she's very young.
00:33:27.940 And I believe, I don't follow these things closely, but I believe she's engaged to be married.
00:33:32.540 And in this interview with her, in which she talks about the psychics in Glamour magazine, she says that what she really wants is to have kids.
00:33:41.800 So, I don't know.
00:33:42.480 I look at a young actress in Hollywood, and she's been a child star, which is something that really messes virtually everyone up.
00:33:49.440 And she's nevertheless said, I want to get married at a nice young age.
00:33:55.120 Not too young, but 19, 20.
00:33:57.040 It's pretty good.
00:33:57.460 Get married young and start having kids.
00:33:59.500 And I think, okay, I want to encourage her.
00:34:01.800 That's great.
00:34:02.200 That's awesome.
00:34:03.140 She's still surrounded by a bunch of wackos in Hollywood who might be influencing her with bad things like feminism and psychics and whatever. 1.00
00:34:10.200 But she clearly has a decent core intuition here.
00:34:15.140 So, she should follow that and stop listening to demons, whether those demons sit in Hollywood producer offices or whether those demons are communicating via psychic media.
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00:35:02.580 On the topic of women doing the right thing, this is my favorite video that I have seen at least this week, maybe this year.
00:35:12.080 And it's of a nun in France, a Catholic nun, who is on the site of a new chapel that is being built.
00:35:22.560 When a bunch of climate protesters show up, these left-wing Gaia-worshipping pagans, show up to destroy the construction site.
00:35:33.180 So, what is the nun going to do?
00:35:36.600 Is the nun going to just sit meekly back? 1.00
00:35:39.780 Is the nun only going to pray? 0.99
00:35:43.060 I'm sure the nun was praying about this a lot, and that's a very important thing to do.
00:35:46.940 That's the most important thing to do at first.
00:35:48.840 But then there are other things that we can do, such as tackle the climate protesters.
00:35:52.920 There she goes.
00:35:57.380 Drag him. 0.86
00:35:58.880 Slay, sister.
00:36:01.000 Yes.
00:36:01.960 Get that jerk in the muck. 0.98
00:36:03.540 Then the other one's gone.
00:36:04.420 They keep trying to destroy the construction equipment.
00:36:06.480 But that sister, oh, I love it.
00:36:08.560 There are too many pacifists in the church militant, if you ask me.
00:36:12.720 I absolutely love that.
00:36:16.500 You know, they say faith without works is dead,
00:36:18.940 which is sometimes misinterpreted to mean that we can earn our own salvation through works.
00:36:23.840 And that's not the case.
00:36:25.580 God's grace comes all the way down the mountain.
00:36:27.420 We can cooperate with that grace or not.
00:36:29.480 And a life of faith is going to look like something,
00:36:33.480 and it's going to impel certain actions,
00:36:35.480 such as tackling the climate activists who are trying to destroy your property
00:36:39.880 and a beautiful chapel that could be built.
00:36:42.520 The reason, though, that this video really struck me,
00:36:44.960 and I think the reason it's going viral right now,
00:36:47.120 and it pertains to what we were just talking about with feminism, 1.00
00:36:50.160 is under feminism, women seem empowered but are, in fact, powerless. 0.98
00:36:57.640 Right?
00:36:58.020 Women, they seem like they're boss babes, 1.00
00:37:01.900 but actually they just get used by a bunch of men as sexual toys and then discarded. 0.51
00:37:09.620 They are dragged out for activism, you know,
00:37:13.780 and they smile on camera, but then they're discarded.
00:37:16.960 They're told that they're empowered to go sit in the office at the widget factory
00:37:20.540 and engage in drudgery all day and have to put off getting married and have to put off having kids
00:37:25.120 and have to put off being the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world.
00:37:29.520 So the PR coming out of media in Hollywood is,
00:37:32.060 these feminist women, they're so empowered, but they're miserable. 1.00
00:37:34.740 And, in fact, if you trust surveys on happiness,
00:37:37.880 their happiness since feminism, going back to the very moment of the rise of feminism,
00:37:42.960 their happiness has declined, both absolutely and relative to men.
00:37:46.980 And ironically, under traditional gender roles, 0.91
00:37:51.280 women seem subservient. 1.00
00:37:53.900 Women seem like they're in a secondary role. 1.00
00:37:56.460 In fact, however, they are extremely empowered.
00:38:00.260 If you have ever met a real nun, 0.87
00:38:02.680 I got to spend some time with some sisters,
00:38:05.700 some pro-life sisters in Southern California at a pro-life gala a few weeks ago.
00:38:11.020 These are some of the toughest ladies you ever saw in your life, 1.00
00:38:14.840 and they are doing lots of good,
00:38:17.880 and they're not going to take no for an answer,
00:38:20.520 certainly not from unjust authority,
00:38:22.820 and they're forces to be reckoned with.
00:38:27.280 You ever meet a true matriarch of a family? 1.00
00:38:30.580 Often she will defer to her husband.
00:38:33.560 The husband's the head of the household.
00:38:35.160 She will look like a 1950s housewife. 1.00
00:38:38.000 She might look like a 1250s housewife. 1.00
00:38:41.780 She has a lot of power. 1.00
00:38:42.980 This is the meaning of the phrase,
00:38:44.520 the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world.
00:38:47.180 The reason that that is always the case
00:38:49.180 is because when you live in accordance with nature and reality,
00:38:54.620 you will succeed more.
00:38:56.700 You will be more perfectly yourself.
00:38:58.640 If you try to do the opposite,
00:39:00.740 if you fall into the lie of feminism, 1.00
00:39:03.900 which says that the only way to have power or do good
00:39:07.840 is to act like a man,
00:39:09.600 to put on a suit,
00:39:10.620 and in some cases now to transform your body
00:39:13.000 to look more like a man,
00:39:14.680 you're going to be acting out of accord with nature,
00:39:16.900 out of accord with reality,
00:39:17.840 and you're never going to beat reality.
00:39:19.880 When you and reality go up in the boxing match,
00:39:23.340 reality is always going to win.
00:39:25.420 You will become a caricature of yourself
00:39:28.080 and what you're supposed to be,
00:39:29.120 rather than the perfect version of yourself.
00:39:32.320 And ultimately, we reach our full perfection
00:39:34.140 when we cooperate with God's grace
00:39:35.960 and accept God's grace,
00:39:36.960 which is why that nun is just absolutely crushing it 1.00
00:39:41.660 and crushing that protester.
00:39:43.860 My favorite comment yesterday is from Chantel XU4096,
00:39:48.920 who says,
00:39:50.120 as a Canadian cream puff,
00:39:51.980 oh, how would you do?
00:39:52.820 How about that, eh?
00:39:54.020 I was waiting for Michael to talk about Pierre.
00:39:57.680 Pierre, he's the man.
00:39:58.840 Pierre Poilievre,
00:40:00.160 who just destroyed that liberal journalist
00:40:03.360 with facts and apples.
00:40:05.220 Great, beautiful clip.
00:40:07.020 When are we going to get our Pierre?
00:40:09.160 I guess Trump is just the much less polished Pierre.
00:40:13.860 You know, Canadians are very nice,
00:40:15.860 and so they do things in a very nice way.
00:40:17.420 Americans are a little more brash sometimes. 1.00
00:40:19.640 So it's fitting.
00:40:21.340 Fitting that we've got our respective conservative leaders.
00:40:24.960 Speaking of empowered women,
00:40:26.380 I have the least surprising story
00:40:27.980 that you've ever read in the news.
00:40:30.160 You might recall a couple years ago,
00:40:32.040 Victoria's Secret rebranded.
00:40:33.900 Victoria's Secret previously advertised their lingerie
00:40:36.540 on very sexy women. 0.98
00:40:38.560 And then they said,
00:40:39.280 we're not going to do that anymore.
00:40:40.460 We're going to advertise our lingerie
00:40:43.860 on very obese people and men.
00:40:49.720 And kind of butch.
00:40:52.020 We're not going to,
00:40:53.000 no more sexy women. 1.00
00:40:54.080 We're just going to do every other kind of person,
00:40:55.700 including dudes.
00:40:56.980 And here you go.
00:40:58.180 Here's the big surprise.
00:40:59.000 They're selling less lingerie.
00:41:02.320 Isn't that weird?
00:41:03.240 This all began because of Megan Rapinoe.
00:41:05.720 Megan Rapinoe was a soccer lady who hated America. 1.00
00:41:09.200 And she would pop up in the news
00:41:11.540 when she said something disparaging about America
00:41:14.440 or reality or tradition or decency.
00:41:17.300 And, but she also happened to play soccer,
00:41:20.280 I guess.
00:41:21.040 And so she blasted Victoria's Secret
00:41:24.440 and said they were pushing a message
00:41:26.400 that's really harmful.
00:41:28.000 One that was patriarchal and sexist.
00:41:31.160 Viewing not just what it meant to be sexy,
00:41:33.340 but what the clothes were trying to accomplish
00:41:34.760 through a male lens
00:41:36.340 and through what men desired.
00:41:38.380 And you see, Megan Rapinoe was a lesbian. 1.00
00:41:40.220 And it's 2023.
00:41:41.520 And everybody's supposed to be a lesbian. 1.00
00:41:43.440 And nobody's supposed to be normal ever.
00:41:45.580 And we're supposed to take the views
00:41:48.080 that were previously on the kind of fringes of society
00:41:50.540 and that were a bit eccentric.
00:41:52.100 And those are supposed to be normal.
00:41:53.640 And anyone who has normal desires or behaviors,
00:41:56.020 they should be outcast.
00:41:57.060 They should be thrown into the outer darkness
00:41:58.400 where there's wailing and gnashing of teeth.
00:42:00.000 And they should not get their Victoria's Secret catalog
00:42:02.860 with the pretty ladies in it. 1.00
00:42:04.700 Uh-uh, that's very wrong and sexist
00:42:07.800 and patriarchal and whatever.
00:42:10.320 So then they rebrand the company.
00:42:14.060 They don't even do the annual fashion show.
00:42:16.960 The annual fashion show is gone.
00:42:18.480 That's been gone for five years now.
00:42:20.720 And they got really good reviews from the critics.
00:42:23.160 This is just like Rotten Tomatoes
00:42:24.380 when some liberal movie comes out.
00:42:26.000 And the critics say, oh, 95%, it's amazing.
00:42:29.020 It's so beautiful.
00:42:30.080 And it's about, you know, lesbian cowboys 1.00
00:42:31.860 on a mountain somewhere.
00:42:32.680 And they say, oh, it's the greatest movie ever.
00:42:34.700 And then the audience score is like 5%
00:42:37.020 because no one actually wants to see it.
00:42:38.740 Because while it might press some ideological buttons
00:42:41.860 that the critics like, it's not actually entertaining
00:42:44.480 and it's not a good movie.
00:42:47.520 Victoria's Secret's projected revenue for this year
00:42:49.700 is $6.2 billion, which is a lot of money,
00:42:53.020 but it's 5% lower than last year.
00:42:56.260 And it's even lower than the $7.5 billion
00:42:59.960 that it had in revenue in 2020.
00:43:02.360 That's a big, that's a big difference.
00:43:05.280 7.5 billion down to 6.2 billion in three years.
00:43:09.200 That's a collapse of your company.
00:43:11.520 Why?
00:43:13.160 Because
00:43:13.680 no amount of activism will ever change human nature.
00:43:20.360 No amount of activism will ever change
00:43:23.540 the fundamentals of reality.
00:43:26.100 This is what C.S. Lewis means
00:43:29.900 when he mocks the atheist.
00:43:33.700 And he says he's not worried about atheists 1.00
00:43:37.160 because atheists can no more change God's existence 1.00
00:43:42.020 than a lunatic in his padded cell
00:43:45.360 can blot out the sun
00:43:48.040 by writing darkness on the walls of those cells.
00:43:50.980 You just simply don't have the power to do that.
00:43:55.880 And yet they go on.
00:43:57.540 And the Rapinos of the world 1.00
00:43:58.920 and the feminists 1.00
00:44:01.000 and the LGBT activists
00:44:02.940 and all the activists.
00:44:05.080 That's why they scream.
00:44:06.440 That's why they yell and they scream in the street.
00:44:09.020 Because their preference is
00:44:11.120 out of accord with reality.
00:44:14.160 And reality is always going to win.
00:44:16.120 And they're always going to be frustrated.
00:44:17.540 The more you try to deny reality
00:44:21.080 which is what we've all been told to do
00:44:22.320 for the last 30 years at least.
00:44:24.100 Really the last 50, 60 years.
00:44:26.360 Hey, you're born into a family
00:44:28.980 you hate that family.
00:44:30.500 You're born into a body
00:44:31.540 you should hate that body.
00:44:32.860 You're born into a country
00:44:33.660 hate that country.
00:44:35.320 You're born with certain natural desires
00:44:36.940 suppress those desires.
00:44:38.520 Try to have the opposite desires.
00:44:41.020 That's not going to be a recipe
00:44:42.660 for flourishing.
00:44:44.920 Now speaking of ogling women 0.89
00:44:46.580 like in the Victoria's Secret catalog
00:44:48.280 there's a story
00:44:49.080 I don't have time to get to today
00:44:50.440 I'll try to get to it tomorrow
00:44:51.300 about deep fake porn.
00:44:54.820 But we've already had enough
00:44:56.460 weird sex stuff for today.
00:44:57.640 We're going to move on to
00:44:58.520 guests that I'm so excited about.
00:45:02.360 A pal of mine going back
00:45:03.780 many, many years.
00:45:05.780 We were students together in college.
00:45:09.400 Two of the only conservatives
00:45:10.780 at our extremely liberal college
00:45:12.400 Alec Torres
00:45:12.860 and Joshua Charles
00:45:14.060 who I've mentioned on this show before
00:45:15.500 former Trump speech writer
00:45:17.200 who has become
00:45:18.760 one of my favorite
00:45:19.680 religious writers
00:45:20.500 on all of Twitter.
00:45:21.780 He's got these amazing
00:45:23.140 essays about
00:45:25.500 he converted from
00:45:26.700 Protestantism to Catholicism
00:45:28.100 but their essays
00:45:29.240 even if you're Protestant
00:45:30.300 even if you're Hindu
00:45:31.460 or whatever
00:45:31.900 his essays on the patristics
00:45:34.440 on the early church
00:45:35.600 are so so good
00:45:36.780 and they've got a new book
00:45:37.940 so head on over
00:45:38.640 to the Membrum Segmentum
00:45:39.920 the Chim de la Chim
00:45:41.940 will be waiting for you there
00:45:42.820 the rest of the show continues.
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