The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1372 - Woke Celebrities Threaten To Leave USA If Trump Wins

00:00:00.000 It appears that some of you are not taking the urgent threat of climate change seriously enough,

00:00:07.280 which is why the President of the United States wants to remind you just how serious it really is.

00:00:15.640 You know, I've seen firsthand what the reports make clear,

00:00:19.900 the devastating toll of climate change and its existential threat to all of us

00:00:24.400 and is the ultimate threat to humanity, climate change.

00:00:27.900 The ultimate threat.

00:00:31.560 I'm not sure if President Biden really believes this.

00:00:35.100 I'm not sure if Biden really believes anything.

00:00:37.740 But plenty of people really do believe this.

00:00:41.080 Because we live in an increasingly pagan age.

00:00:45.060 And what pagans fear and worship ultimately is nature.

00:00:49.620 That is why the old pagans, the old-timey pagans,

00:00:53.180 would sacrifice goats and babies and things to make it rain.

00:00:56.280 They considered the ultimate threat to mankind to be material, chiefly, climate change.

00:01:03.080 That was true for all of history until the advent and spread of Christianity, 0.97

00:01:08.480 which crucially considers the ultimate threat to humanity to be immaterial, chiefly, sin.

00:01:15.000 So we stopped living in servile fear of the weather gods for about 1,700 years.

00:01:19.880 And now we're at it again.

00:01:23.320 Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.

00:01:25.680 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:26.360 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:27.280 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:47.620 Nikki Haley is in hot water for a proposal that she had on social media reform 1.00

00:01:52.240 that a lot of conservatives are saying is very lib.

00:01:55.420 We will get to that in a moment because it's actually a pretty interesting proposal.

00:01:59.280 Ultimately, probably not the greatest idea, but we'll get to it in just a moment.

00:02:02.260 First, though, on this point of religious confusion,

00:02:05.300 Raphael Warnock, who is a socialist senator from Georgia

00:02:09.100 who fancies himself a pastor of some sort or other,

00:02:12.900 he just attacked evangelical Protestants for supporting Donald Trump.

00:02:19.200 Here is his argument, or lack thereof.

00:02:22.980 Does it bother you that the evangelical community seems to be,

00:02:27.740 continue to very much be behind Donald Trump?

00:02:30.360 Is that surprising?

00:02:31.480 It's a deep contradiction.

00:02:32.700 Mm-hmm.

00:02:33.080 It's a deep contradiction.

00:02:37.540 And I think that when the history of this period is written,

00:02:46.880 we will have a lot to say about that.

00:02:51.580 You cannot account for some of the divisive forces at work in our country,

00:02:58.940 sadly, without reference to what's happening in huge segments of the American church.

00:03:05.100 I come out of a tradition that has always tried to use our faith to bring us together.

00:03:10.900 I like the way Jimmy Carter used his faith.

00:03:14.880 I like the way Martin Luther King Jr. and Ella Baker and white brothers and sisters like James Reed

00:03:24.320 in the midst of this civil rights movement, how they used their faith.

00:03:31.140 There's actually a lot there.

00:03:33.440 Even though Warnock begins, and it sounds like he's got nothing,

00:03:37.380 he says, you know, it's really bad.

00:03:38.900 These evangelicals supporting Trump, you know, it's really bad.

00:03:43.400 And someday people are going to explain why it's bad.

00:03:46.800 I'm not going to explain it now because I don't know,

00:03:48.740 because I can't say anything about it.

00:03:50.120 Because I don't have an argument.

00:03:51.500 But someday, trust me, someday, later on people are going to talk about why it's so bad

00:03:57.280 that these evangelicals keep supporting Trump instead of socialists like me.

00:04:01.800 But then he almost hints at an argument.

00:04:04.260 He shows his cards on his error with regard to Christianity.

00:04:11.380 And his error, it boils down to that one word, use.

00:04:16.280 He said, you know, man, I like how all these other left-wing people used their faith.

00:04:22.200 Used their faith.

00:04:23.400 What is faith?

00:04:24.720 Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen.

00:04:28.740 Faith now has become a substitute word for religion.

00:04:33.760 And what is religion?

00:04:34.500 Religion is a habit of virtue that inclines the will to give God what he deserves.

00:04:38.360 It's not something you use.

00:04:40.220 It's not something in service of another thing.

00:04:43.520 It's giving to God what he deserves.

00:04:46.280 That's what it is.

00:04:47.560 Faith is a theological virtue.

00:04:49.400 And religion is giving to God what he deserves.

00:04:54.940 But for the libs, it's just another thing to be used.

00:05:00.080 Used in service of what?

00:05:01.840 Well, Raphael Warnock makes it clear.

00:05:04.020 Religion is just something to be used in service of political change.

00:05:08.080 Change on this earth.

00:05:09.620 Social engineering.

00:05:10.840 Which is really ironic because that's what the libs always accuse the conservative Christians of doing.

00:05:15.220 They say, you just use your religion in service of your right-wing ends.

00:05:19.540 But I don't think that's fair at all.

00:05:20.820 I don't think that's true.

00:05:21.620 And in fact, I think like so many other left-wing attacks on conservatives, it's just projection.

00:05:26.720 And here you have Raphael Warnock admitting it himself.

00:05:29.660 He says, yeah, I just want to use my faith in service of politics.

00:05:33.840 Here, let me tell you about my great faith idols.

00:05:37.620 The people that I admire.

00:05:40.040 In this case, idolatry probably being used precisely.

00:05:43.040 But these are the people that I look up to when it comes to religion.

00:05:47.360 And he names some names that I've never heard of.

00:05:48.940 He says, Martin Luther King.

00:05:50.520 And Martin Luther King had many admirable qualities.

00:05:53.260 But Martin Luther King denied really central aspects of the Christian faith.

00:05:59.540 He denied the divinity of Christ.

00:06:01.120 He denied the miracles, okay?

00:06:02.580 He denied really essential aspects of Christianity.

00:06:09.020 So you might say he was a great social reformer.

00:06:11.480 You might say he was a great political activist, a political leader.

00:06:14.880 But he was far from an Orthodox Christian.

00:06:18.480 But for Warnock, that's fine.

00:06:19.860 It doesn't matter what you believe.

00:06:21.040 It doesn't matter ultimately what your faith consists of and where your hope ultimately lies.

00:06:29.300 Because all religion is, is just a way to affect politics. 0.97

00:06:33.880 That's what it's about.

00:06:34.860 We just got to use it.

00:06:35.660 And for Warnock, even further, this is so telling.

00:06:41.040 He says, the reason that these evangelicals who support Trump are bad is because they're divisive.

00:06:46.460 They want to just divide people.

00:06:49.000 And I like people like Jimmy Carter who use their religion to bring people together.

00:06:53.780 What does our Lord tell us?

00:06:54.960 If you've read the Gospels, if you've been to church more than a few times, you might have heard that Christ says,

00:07:02.680 I come not to bring peace but a sword.

00:07:06.340 I come ultimately, yes, to unite people with me and my Father who are one in heaven.

00:07:13.960 But not to just have everybody kumbaya on earth.

00:07:17.840 Our Lord did not come to build the Tower of Babel.

00:07:21.320 He said, no, I will divide children from their parents, okay?

00:07:25.560 I bring a sword.

00:07:27.260 I bring division in a worldly sense.

00:07:31.100 And I bring that unity in a heavenly sense, in an ultimate sense.

00:07:36.660 And for libs like Raphael Warnock, it's completely the opposite.

00:07:39.440 For libs like Raphael Warnock, it's all just about holding hands and building the Tower of Babel here on earth.

00:07:45.320 Because we're not looking at ultimate ends.

00:07:47.320 We're not looking.

00:07:48.180 It's just like what Joe Biden's talking about with the ultimate threat to humanity being the weather.

00:07:52.840 No, the ultimate threat to humanity, Christianity tells us, is not anything here on earth.

00:07:58.200 It's not a bullet.

00:07:59.180 It's not the weather.

00:08:00.600 It's not a disease.

00:08:02.540 The ultimate threat is your soul.

00:08:04.800 Who cares if you can win the whole world but you lose your soul?

00:08:07.500 The soul is going to persist a lot longer.

00:08:10.160 When we talk about the soul, we talk about eternity.

00:08:12.920 When we talk about just fleshy things, that will pass away ultimately.

00:08:17.700 It is, Raphael Warnock has no idea that he's conveying all of these things.

00:08:21.900 But it's a pregnant answer to the question from Jen Psaki. 0.86

00:08:26.340 And it's a reminder that ultimately the leftist religion is worldliness.

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00:10:14.700 Speaking of secular liberal culture, really sad story.

00:10:17.660 I meant to get to it a couple days ago.

00:10:19.160 You know about the little British girl, Indy Gregory.

00:10:22.060 She was a baby who had a disease. 0.99

00:10:24.940 And the UK government said, we don't want to pay for her medical treatment anymore, so we're going to kill her. 0.98

00:10:29.660 And I had her father, Dean Gregory, come on the show. 0.94

00:10:33.220 He was making a last-minute appeal to the courts.

00:10:36.200 Sadly, the courts shot it down.

00:10:38.260 The Italian government gave Indy Gregory citizenship.

00:10:41.560 So the UK government ultimately ended up killing an Italian citizen, which creates an international legal crisis that will probably just be brushed aside, but it seems significant to me.

00:10:53.200 The Vatican offered to treat baby Indy Gregory at the Bambino Jesu Hospital.

00:10:58.280 But the UK was so embarrassed by this.

00:11:00.300 The UK couldn't allow the baby to go seek treatment elsewhere because that would be an indictment on the UK.

00:11:05.940 It would be a global embarrassment that some other government has to step in to save a British citizen because the British government just wants to kill that citizen to save a few bucks, even a little innocent baby like Indy Gregory. 0.99

00:11:18.000 Now, we knew this was the way the story was almost certain to end from the very beginning, and that is what happened.

00:11:24.800 But there was one happy little turn before the story, before Indy Gregory's earthly story ended, which is that Mr. Gregory, the father, had the baby baptized.

00:11:37.420 And it's not as though Dean Gregory was some devout, practicing Christian.

00:11:43.360 He has not been that.

00:11:45.060 In fact, that's what makes the story even more powerful.

00:11:47.020 Dean Gregory says, I'm not a religious guy.

00:11:50.900 But, but, he says, quote,

00:11:54.540 When I was in court, I felt as if hell pulled at me.

00:11:59.660 I thought that if hell exists, then heaven must exist too.

00:12:04.000 I thought that if the devil exists, then God must exist too.

00:12:08.360 I have seen what hell is like, and I want Indy to go to heaven. 1.00

00:12:12.800 Show me the flaw with that argument.

00:12:17.680 That's a beautiful, beautiful argument.

00:12:19.880 That's great.

00:12:20.460 Some people won't like this argument because they'll say, well, you know, no, that's, you're, you're not making a perfectly rational argument for the existence of God and for the historicity of the gospels and for the, this, and it's not neat and pat.

00:12:36.120 And, no, this is a great, this is a great argument.

00:12:38.220 This is a much, much realer argument, frankly.

00:12:41.220 Because he's saying, you know, yeah, I'm not religious at all.

00:12:44.280 And I, I can't recite to you Thomas Aquinas' five ways for knowing the existence of God.

00:12:50.220 But I'll tell you what, when I was in that British courtroom and that, that evil judge was killing my daughter, I knew what evil was.

00:12:57.180 I knew that evil exists.

00:12:59.160 I knew that evil has a personality.

00:13:01.120 I could feel a rather serious simulacrum of hell.

00:13:06.060 And, with all the devil's machinations in that courtroom, he undid himself.

00:13:15.100 With all the devil's machinations, he undermined himself.

00:13:18.220 Because it occurred to me that if the devil exists, and if hell exists, then God in heaven must exist too.

00:13:25.360 And God in heaven must be much greater than the devil in hell.

00:13:28.060 And so he had his baby baptized.

00:13:30.360 I, to this, I don't know what he currently thinks about all these things, but he knew enough to say, I am going to do what I can to save my daughter.

00:13:39.240 Even the fact that he had to confront something that most of us can push off, which is the fact of mortality.

00:13:45.440 We're all going to end up in the same place as Indy Gregory. 0.58

00:13:47.680 Most of us don't end up there at eight months old, but, but we're all going to end up there at some point.

00:13:52.380 And so, you know, the silver lining in that storm cloud, which is, which is a storm cloud that we're all going to face,

00:13:58.340 which is the fact of a fallen world and our own mortality, he was able to find that silver lining there, which is the confrontation of death.

00:14:06.140 It's, it's why, why Dr. Johnson had a famous line, which is, depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he's to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates the mind wonderfully.

00:14:16.900 Say when we, when we actually have to face the thing that we put off as best we can for our entire lives, namely the fact of our death, our inevitable death, it concentrates us.

00:14:26.380 And it, it doesn't confuse us what the atheists and the liberals want us to believe is, well, it just has us desperately grasping at straws and wish casting this notion that we can live forever.

00:14:35.740 But it's really the opposite.

00:14:36.840 It, it has us focus and say, okay, well, what is the meaning of my life?

00:14:40.400 What am I?

00:14:41.300 Am I just a bag of chemicals or am I something more than that?

00:14:44.500 Do my natural desires and longings for something beyond this world point to something that does exist beyond this world?

00:14:50.240 Does my natural intuition and deduction of the metaphysical, the fact that we know, we know for certain there are things that are not merely physical in this world, like, I don't know, mathematics, the fact that there are metaphysical things, does that imply something more about metaphysical reality?

00:15:06.620 And all of that hit Mr. Gregory like a ton of bricks in that courtroom and the, the, the personification of evil that he saw occurring around him and to him and therefore the personification of good.

00:15:20.820 Ultimately, ultimately, ultimately a happy ending, albeit with much pain in the meantime.

00:15:27.500 Now, speaking of this, speaking of politically motivated conversions, I teased a story a few days ago that I do want to get to at least briefly.

00:15:35.740 Ayaan Hirsi Ali, very prominent political figure.

00:15:39.260 She was raised Muslim.

00:15:41.220 She recoiled against that.

00:15:43.340 She became an atheist and a big anti-Islam and Islamism campaigner.

00:15:48.640 And she was a very popular figure in the West and remains a popular figure in the West.

00:15:54.660 She's converted to Christianity.

00:15:56.980 And she's done it in a way that some Christians don't like.

00:16:00.580 She has converted politically.

00:16:04.800 She has converted sort of the way that Indy Gregory was converted through her father, which is politically, as a result of political events.

00:16:14.360 Though, though, for Ayaan Hirsi Ali, it's even, it's even more political in that she says, the reason that I'm a Christian is because civilization cannot withstand barbarism without Christianity.

00:16:26.780 So she is, she is describing Christianity in a kind of instrumental way.

00:16:31.400 She says, why do I call myself Christian now?

00:16:33.340 Part of the answer is global.

00:16:34.320 Western civilization is under threat from three different related forces.

00:16:37.620 The resurgence of great power authoritarianism and expansionism in the forms of the Chinese Communist Party and Putin's Russia.

00:16:43.520 The rise of global Islamism, political Islam, which threatens to mobilize a vast population against the West. 0.97

00:16:49.480 And the viral spread of woke ideology, which is eating into the moral fiber of the next generation.

00:16:53.740 She says, we endeavor to fend off these threats with modern secular tools, military, economic, diplomatic, and technological efforts to defeat, bribe, persuade, appease, or surveil.

00:17:03.760 And yet, with every round of conflict, we find ourselves losing ground.

00:17:08.640 We're either running out of money with our national debt in the tens of trillions, or we're losing our lead in the tech race with China.

00:17:16.280 We can't fight off these formidable forces unless we can answer the question, what is it that unites us?

00:17:23.740 The response that God is dead, which Nietzsche gives, is insufficient.

00:17:27.300 So, too, does the attempt to find solace in the rules-based international liberal order, which is just a bunch of gobbledygook words that have not done very much for us recently.

00:17:36.440 The only credible answer, says Ayaan Hirsi Ali, lies in our desire to uphold the legacy of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

00:17:44.320 That is why I no longer consider myself a Muslim apostate, but a lapsed atheist.

00:17:48.880 Of course, I still have a great deal to learn about Christianity.

00:17:50.880 I discover a little more at church each Sunday, but I have recognized in my own long journey through a wilderness of fear and self-doubt that there is a better way to manage the challenges of existence than either Islam or unbelief had to offer. 1.00

00:18:03.340 And so there are going to be Christians who criticize Ali and say, well, in the same way that I just criticized Raphael Warnock, you shouldn't just use Christianity as some instrument toward a political end.

00:18:15.800 But whereas for Raphael Warnock, that appears to be the end of his faith journey.

00:18:23.540 Well, for Raphael Warnock, this is something that he has considered for decades, working as a professional Christian.

00:18:30.400 He says, no, this is what Christianity is about, actually recoiling against people whose faith points to something higher than politics.

00:18:36.760 For Ayaan Hirsi Ali, this is only the beginning.

00:18:39.080 And she is admitting this here in the column.

00:18:40.800 She's saying, I have a lot to learn.

00:18:42.760 I'm learning a little bit more every time I go to church, every time I read something, and so I'm learning.

00:18:47.300 But what she's saying is the political is what pulled me into Christianity.

00:18:53.580 Not that I am a Christian instrumentally so that I can achieve certain political ends.

00:19:00.340 She's saying, the political problem is what first turned me on to the fact that all of these other solutions don't work.

00:19:08.160 And maybe that's why Christianity has something to recommend it. 0.80

00:19:11.780 Maybe Christianity even possibly is true. 1.00

00:19:16.400 That's fine by me.

00:19:17.960 We live in a very modern liberal individualist age.

00:19:21.020 And modern, certainly a number of strains of modern Protestantism, not all, but a number of them, are highly individualistic and highly emotivist.

00:19:33.460 And they'll say, well, you just need to be feeling certain things individually.

00:19:36.820 Forget about the church.

00:19:37.680 Forget about the community.

00:19:38.720 Forget about the reality of sacraments.

00:19:40.360 You've got to just feel stuff, man, going on inside of you.

00:19:42.800 And if you don't feel it, your faith is not real.

00:19:44.700 That is not historically what Christians have believed.

00:19:47.820 In fact, there have been whole communities and whole nations that have converted en masse.

00:19:54.740 The political has often led conversion to the faith.

00:19:59.960 For goodness sakes, Armenia is the oldest Christian country in the world.

00:20:03.000 The country converted in, what was it, 301 or 310?

00:20:08.700 It was before the Edict of Milan relaxed the prohibitions on Christianity throughout the Roman Empire.

00:20:16.240 That was a conversion.

00:20:18.240 A number of the tribes that took over the Roman Empire after the fall of the empire converted en masse.

00:20:26.080 Nations used to be called Christian nations.

00:20:28.340 Our civilization used to be a Christian civilization.

00:20:32.080 The political order does not necessarily have to be totally opposed to Christianity.

00:20:36.820 There does not necessarily have to be a firm separation of church and state.

00:20:40.180 In fact, there never has been for all of history anywhere in the world.

00:20:42.800 Not in this country.

00:20:43.840 Not in any other country.

00:20:44.880 The question is merely what religion is animating your country and your civilization.

00:20:49.260 Right now, in modern liberal culture, we've returned to worshiping the nature gods.

00:20:54.700 Just as they did before the advent of Christianity.

00:20:57.740 And we say the ultimate threat is that it won't rain this season.

00:20:59.980 So we have to make a few more sacrifices and do a little more of a rain dance.

00:21:03.440 Put on our big rituals where we go march around and dance and listen to a Swedish child yell at us. 0.98

00:21:09.900 And if we do that for long enough, then the nature gods will smile and show their favor to us and we'll get rain for the harvest.

00:21:16.180 That's the new religious ritual that animates our civilization. 0.97

00:21:20.720 It's a ridiculous one. 0.91

00:21:21.940 It's not going to be conducive to flourishing personally or politically. 0.85

00:21:26.700 Or we could go back to the one that served us very well for at least 1,700 years.

00:21:31.640 That's the one that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is realizing might serve us well again.

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00:22:47.540 Speaking of civilization breaking down, Secret Service agents just had to fire on a criminal while they were protecting Naomi Biden.

00:22:57.780 Naomi Biden is one of Joe Biden's grandkids.

00:23:01.220 Secret Service is protecting Naomi Biden.

00:23:02.960 I believe she was living at the White House for a while.

00:23:04.620 She's an adult.

00:23:06.620 I mean, she's not like a five-year-old, but she was being driven around.

00:23:09.840 This is in Washington, D.C., and they're out somewhere in Georgetown.

00:23:15.040 The Secret Service notices that a bunch of thugs are trying to bust into a Secret Service car.

00:23:20.940 And they were so aggressive about it that the Secret Service actually had to end up opening fire on them.

00:23:27.160 And this is the crazy part.

00:23:28.720 The Secret Service didn't hit the guys, and they still haven't caught them, at least according to news reports.

00:23:33.460 This is a family member of the sitting president of the United States out in Georgetown, which is supposed to be the nicest neighborhood of Washington, D.C.

00:23:46.460 It's supposed to be basically inaccessible by public transportation because they wanted to keep the riffraff out. 1.00

00:23:51.240 Looks like the riffraff got in there, and they're trying to carjack the Secret Service. 1.00

00:23:55.220 So much so that the Secret Service have to shoot at them, and the Secret Service can't even hit them, and they get away.

00:24:00.040 What is happening to our country?

00:24:02.560 What is happening to our civil order?

00:24:04.700 And some people are going to hear this story and say, nah, there must be more to the story than that.

00:24:08.100 Something doesn't seem right.

00:24:09.260 I know for a fact this happened.

00:24:10.840 The way I know for a fact this happened, merely through the criminality of our political order,

00:24:18.980 merely through the breakdown of law and order that happened specifically in Washington, D.C.,

00:24:24.180 is one time I was in Washington, not that long ago, a few years ago, and I was out with a politician, prominent politician,

00:24:33.020 and we were out a little bit late, and he goes to his car, and he comes back in and he says,

00:24:40.520 someone broke into my car.

00:24:44.460 This was not a targeted hit.

00:24:47.580 This was not someone trying to get state secrets or anything like that.

00:24:50.780 It was just a smash and grab.

00:24:52.740 And so we wait around for the cops, call the D.C. Metro cops.

00:24:56.120 D.C. Metro cops show up.

00:24:56.960 They say, hey, sorry, this is a common occurrence here.

00:25:03.560 They say, hold on, you're telling me that a sitting, prominent politician can get his bag stolen out of a car?

00:25:10.540 In a nice part of D.C., we were not far from the White House.

00:25:14.700 And it wasn't that, it was late.

00:25:16.420 It wasn't like that late.

00:25:18.720 And the cops say, yeah, there's nothing we can do.

00:25:21.040 This happens so frequently in even the nice neighborhoods, maybe especially in the nice neighborhoods.

00:25:27.500 So an ordinary citizen doesn't stand a chance.

00:25:30.220 If it's going to happen to sitting politicians, to the granddaughter of the president of the United States,

00:25:34.580 in the nicest parts of town, it's happening to so many people.

00:25:38.220 And it gets back to an element of our government that is really lacking right now,

00:25:44.640 which is, yes, there are ideological fights.

00:25:47.380 Yes, we differ over certain issues, and we can get down to the fundamental philosophical differences in all of them.

00:25:54.160 But shouldn't we all be able to agree that smash and grabs are bad?

00:25:59.900 Shouldn't we?

00:26:00.680 Isn't there a level of competence that ought to be required of our politicians to say, no, go arrest the burglars, go arrest the carjackers?

00:26:12.900 Isn't there?

00:26:13.660 And we paper over that incompetence with ideological distinctions where you have someone like Rashida Tlaib who says,

00:26:19.520 we need to abolish all prisons and let all the criminals off the hook, and it's society's fault or whatever.

00:26:23.820 But I think there's just a basic incompetence here.

00:26:27.200 You know, being mayor, being a prosecutor, being chief of police, it's a job.

00:26:34.140 And some people are good at their jobs, and some people are bad at their jobs.

00:26:36.580 There are basic requirements of the job.

00:26:38.980 And our politicians not only fall into all sorts of ideological confusion, they also just can't do their jobs.

00:26:46.420 And when you have a breakdown in competence, your civil order is going to break down really, really quickly.

00:26:50.940 Speaking of politicians, Nikki Haley is in hot water right now because she has suggested a new form of social media reform that would get rid of the anonymous accounts online. 0.52

00:27:11.040 Take it away.

00:27:11.980 When I get into office, the first thing we have to do, social media accounts, social media companies, they have to show America their algorithms.

00:27:21.320 Let us see why they're pushing what they're pushing.

00:27:23.720 The second thing is every person on social media should be verified by their name.

00:27:29.500 That's, first of all, it's a national security threat.

00:27:31.840 When you do that, all of a sudden people have to stand by what they say, and it gets rid of the Russian bots, the Iranian bots, and the Chinese bots.

00:27:39.400 And then you're going to get some civility when people know their name is next to what they say.

00:27:44.800 Accountability.

00:27:45.200 And they know their pastor and their family member is going to see it.

00:27:47.800 It's going to help our kids and it's going to help our country.

00:27:50.800 So the first part is a good idea.

00:27:53.040 The first part about making the tech companies show the algorithm so that we can make sure that they're not suppressing conservatives or shadow banning conservatives.

00:28:03.680 I think that's a great idea.

00:28:04.540 But that great idea is why the second idea is so confusing.

00:28:09.840 Because if you're acknowledging that tech companies are pulling all sorts of shenanigans, especially against conservatives, then why would you want to de-anonymize those very same persecuted conservatives?

00:28:25.320 I understand the argument in the abstract.

00:28:27.480 Everyone's piling on Nikki right now and saying it's a terrible idea to force people to stand by their words.

00:28:33.060 In principle, I don't think that's a terrible idea.

00:28:37.240 I think that's actually a very good idea to hold people to certain standards and make them stand by their words.

00:28:42.920 If the government were not persecuting normal people for being normal, that's the problem.

00:28:47.960 That's the key here.

00:28:48.620 The fact that we're acknowledging that the government and the private corporations doing the bidding of the government but without the accountability, often at the direct behest of the government, as we saw uncovered in all those files from Facebook and Twitter, where the FBI and other government organizations are going in to the big tech companies and saying, hey, ban that guy.

00:29:07.320 Hey, suppress that account.

00:29:08.780 Hey, shut that conservative up. 0.97

00:29:10.940 So if we know that, if we know that people are being persecuted by the government, not for committing crimes, not for being extremists, but for being normal, then by de-anonymizing the people, you're just making them sitting ducks for a predatory political order.

00:29:27.880 There is a long-standing history of anonymous political discourse in America.

00:29:32.760 It goes all the way back to the Federalist Papers.

00:29:35.440 Publius was the pseudonym of Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay writing the Federalists defending the Constitution.

00:29:44.440 Should we have de-anonymized them?

00:29:46.200 Probably not a good idea.

00:29:48.400 So it's a problem with the Haley campaign because I think some of the criticism of her is undeserved here.

00:29:56.100 There would be something good about making people stand up for what they believe in and holding people accountable for their words if it were 20 years ago.

00:30:09.400 If the government were not going into Catholic churches and spying on the supposedly dangerous, extremist, traditionalist Catholics going to mass. 0.77

00:30:21.140 If the government were not arresting pro-life activists just for standing and peacefully protesting outside of abortion clinics, infanticide mills. 0.91

00:30:31.200 If the DOJ were not comparing parents who don't want their kids to be taught weird sex stuff in school to terrorists.

00:30:38.220 If we weren't living in that world, yeah, okay, we don't need anonymous accounts.

00:30:45.560 But in that world, we certainly do.

00:30:48.680 In that world, look, some of the greatest accounts on all of social media are pseudonymous accounts.

00:30:54.160 I retweet many of them frequently.

00:30:56.220 Speaking of presidential candidates, then there were five.

00:31:00.940 Right now, we still have roughly, I guess there are some who don't make the debates but are still technically running.

00:31:07.040 But right now, we have six presidential candidates.

00:31:10.500 We've got DeSantis, Christie, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Trump, who is outpolling all of them by like 45 points.

00:31:24.160 But for the ones who show up to the debate, there's the five of them.

00:31:28.300 Well, now, another one bites the dust.

00:31:31.580 Tim Scott's got a big announcement to make.

00:31:34.920 One of the things I would recommend to every single American, I know it's not possible, by the way.

00:31:39.200 If you ever want to love your country more, run for president.

00:31:43.300 Traveling this country, meeting people has been one of the most fantastic experiences of my entire life.

00:31:49.640 I love America more today than I did on May 22nd.

00:31:54.520 But when I go back to Iowa, it will not be as a presidential candidate.

00:32:00.460 I am suspending my campaign.

00:32:02.580 I think the voters who are the most remarkable people on the planet have been really clear that they're telling me not now, Tim.

00:32:12.440 I don't think they're saying, Trey, no, but I do think they're saying not now.

00:32:17.100 And so I'm going to respect the voters, and I'm going to hold on and keep working really hard and look forward to another opportunity.

00:32:24.360 This is really mature.

00:32:26.380 It's funny, as Trey Gowdy there, former Congressman Trey Gowdy, who's now on Fox News, he tries to push Scott.

00:32:31.500 And he says, no, come on, what are you talking about?

00:32:33.060 You're from South Carolina.

00:32:34.020 We're coming up on the South Carolina race. 1.00

00:32:35.740 You're crazy. 0.99

00:32:36.360 Why would you drop out now? 0.99

00:32:37.440 And Tim Scott says, yeah, because I'm not going to win.

00:32:39.780 Tim Scott, I don't think this is some Machiavellian kind of maneuver where he's making backroom deals even or calculations.

00:32:50.200 Maybe he cut a deal with the Trump campaign, but I don't know that he did that.

00:32:55.080 I think he's a pretty normal guy, Tim Scott.

00:32:57.280 I think he's just looking at the numbers.

00:32:58.440 He's saying, oh, yeah, I'm not going anywhere this race. 0.51

00:33:01.420 People seem to like me.

00:33:03.460 I'm not like Chris Christie.

00:33:04.680 It's not that people hate me and never want me to run for president again.

00:33:07.540 They like me.

00:33:08.160 They just, it's not going to be me.

00:33:10.020 It's going to be Trump.

00:33:11.560 And then if something crazy happens and his 45-point lead goes away, it's going to be either DeSantis or Haley.

00:33:18.660 But it's just not going to be me.

00:33:20.160 And so I'm not going to waste the voters' time.

00:33:22.500 I'm not going to waste their money.

00:33:23.420 I'm not going to degrade myself by sticking in this race for no reason.

00:33:26.480 And I'm going to live to fight another day.

00:33:27.900 I'm a young man.

00:33:29.520 And it's okay.

00:33:30.540 I'm going to keep fighting.

00:33:31.340 Tim Scott ran a smart runner-up campaign in that he didn't destroy his future political prospects in a way that DeSantis, by going up against Donald Trump so directly, may have seriously hampered his future political prospects.

00:33:50.760 Nikki Haley, by supporting Trump and then opposing Trump and then supporting Trump again, saying, I'm not going to run for president if Trump runs, and then running against Trump, she's probably hurt her future political prospects.

00:34:02.140 I'm not saying it's totally dead for either of them.

00:34:04.360 But if they lose this race, I don't know that they're going to come out better for it.

00:34:10.580 Tim Scott, I think, probably will.

00:34:12.540 It's very normal, very much the right thing to do.

00:34:16.200 And so now, Chris Christie is just salivating.

00:34:19.560 He's saying, oh, finally, here we go, baby.

00:34:21.260 The fact that Chris Christie is down to the final five is so outrageous.

00:34:26.100 There were sitting governors, fairly popular senators in there.

00:34:30.600 And somehow, Chris Christie, listen, maybe the Chris Assange is not totally dead.

00:34:36.300 Now, speaking of Mr. Trump, you know, the number one guy in the Republican race.

00:34:43.480 Democrats, I think they're beginning to realize he is probably the nominee, so they've got to train their sights on him.

00:34:51.660 They've got to pull out the big guns now, okay?

00:34:55.420 They've got a new strategy.

00:34:57.180 Well, no, they've got to.

00:34:58.260 No, it's the same strategy they were doing yesterday.

00:34:59.960 It's the same strategy they've been doing for seven or eight years.

00:35:02.020 Adam Schiff saying that Trump is like Hitler.

00:35:06.540 I also want to ask you about some of Donald Trump's increasingly authoritarian rhetoric,

00:35:10.900 because it's just so important to keep talking about this.

00:35:13.140 I mean, he is echoing languages by Hitler and Mussolini. 0.89

00:35:17.440 His campaign seems to be doubling down on that.

00:35:20.160 To even contemplate electing someone who will cling to power the way Donald Trump tried,

00:35:27.880 who embraces the language of dictators, tries to dehumanize the opposition, calling them vermin,

00:35:33.900 just like Hitler and Mussolini. 0.58

00:35:35.460 You know, when someone like that tells you what they're going to do, and he's telling us he's going to weaponize the Justice Department

00:35:42.280 and won't leave power again, and not without even more of a fight,

00:35:46.900 you need to listen to them, and you certainly can't put them anywhere near the levers of power again.

00:35:51.660 You need to listen to them, because he is Hitler, because he is Hitler. 0.87

00:35:56.740 Did you hear me?

00:35:57.380 He's super Hitler. 0.97

00:35:58.880 Why didn't this work in 2016?

00:36:01.140 I said, I'll try to say, he is Hitler. 0.98

00:36:06.560 Hitler! 0.88

00:36:07.900 Yeah, we heard you, buddy.

00:36:09.180 We heard you.

00:36:09.720 Trump is Hitler, and Bush was Hitler, and the other Bush, I don't know if they called the other Bush Hitler. 0.54

00:36:15.520 He was so nice, you know, but he didn't pose a real threat to them, and he lost his re-election bid. 0.94

00:36:19.340 But Reagan was certainly Hitler, and Barry Goldwater was Hitler, and Nixon was Hitler, and they're all Hitler. 0.78

00:36:26.120 Okay. 0.99

00:36:27.960 No, but, darn, guys, it's not working. 0.98

00:36:30.980 I said, Mussolini? 0.99

00:36:31.980 No, Mussolini's less scary than Hitler.

00:36:33.500 Okay.

00:36:34.780 Well, if we elect him, he won't leave power if he loses.

00:36:40.600 Yeah, but he will, though.

00:36:42.440 Because he did.

00:36:42.980 He did last time, even though you guys rigged the election, and, like, a lot of people knew it,

00:36:47.640 and it was pretty obvious because the pipes were bursting and changed all the election laws illegally in some cases and to benefit you.

00:36:53.700 And even then, he did leave power on time.

00:36:56.820 He didn't even have a late checkout.

00:36:58.200 So, yeah.

00:37:00.360 So, he's not going to ship anyone off on the boxcars.

00:37:04.800 He's not going to invade Czechoslovakia.

00:37:07.340 He's not going to cling to power and refuse to leave.

00:37:10.380 We know all of that. 0.99

00:37:11.860 Even if your stupid, fear-mongering were plausible, we know he won't do that because, and this is, I think, the real advantage Trump has in this weird sort of re-election campaign. 1.00

00:37:27.420 He was already president. 1.00

00:37:29.560 And we saw what happened when he was president.

00:37:31.820 We saw how he left office.

00:37:33.600 We saw how terrible the country got after he was president because Joe Biden ruined all the good stuff he had done.

00:37:40.440 I think these arguments by the Democrats sometimes work.

00:37:44.660 I just don't think they work after the guy served a term, left office, and decided to run again.

00:37:51.880 That's, I think, a little window into the Democrat strategy.

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00:39:51.020 My favorite comment yesterday is from Dominic Zelenak, who says, impressive.

00:39:56.560 Very nice.

00:39:57.760 Now let's see Paul Allen's San Francisco, says Gavin Newsom.

00:40:01.640 Yes, that's so true.

00:40:03.200 So true.

00:40:03.640 Governor Bateman, we'll get to that.

00:40:05.740 Governor Bateman has turned San Francisco into Beijing, which was an improvement over what it was before.

00:40:10.760 Before, it was like some gutter, you know, in the back alleys of Honduras or something.

00:40:17.220 And so it's gotten a little bit better now.

00:40:19.920 Now it's just a replica of Beijing.

00:40:22.340 We will get to that probably tomorrow.

00:40:24.860 First, though, on this point of the hollow attacks on Trump, why I think Trump is actually stronger in 2024 than he was in 2020,

00:40:33.600 is because it's for one of the reasons that some people consider Trump weaker.

00:40:40.760 But I think it's actually an advantage for a wild, eccentric candidate like Trump, which is, in a way, he's kind of yesterday's news.

00:40:47.780 Here is typical liberal interviewer, Hollywood star being interviewed, Barbra Streisand saying,

00:40:54.720 if Trump is elected, she can't live in the country.

00:40:58.200 You've known of, you've known and supported a lot of political figures.

00:41:04.440 You're friends with the Clintons.

00:41:05.920 Yeah.

00:41:06.140 I'm not going to get into you dating Pierre Trudeau, but you have politicians in more than one country, shall we say.

00:41:11.960 What do you make of the political climate of the United States now?

00:41:15.960 Bad.

00:41:16.980 Well, I like Biden.

00:41:19.020 I like Biden.

00:41:20.040 I think he's done a good job.

00:41:21.880 I think he's compassionate.

00:41:24.060 He's smart.

00:41:25.700 He supports the right things.

00:41:28.200 How do you feel about the specter of a second Trump administration?

00:41:31.380 I will move.

00:41:33.760 I can't live in this country if that's, if he became president.

00:41:38.080 But where would you go?

00:41:40.020 Where would you go?

00:41:40.680 Probably to England.

00:41:42.960 I like England.

00:41:45.840 England is very nice.

00:41:47.760 But she's serious.

00:41:48.600 She's not telling a joke here.

00:41:50.200 I would move.

00:41:51.060 I would move if Trump became president.

00:41:53.840 I couldn't live in this country if Trump became president.

00:42:00.960 Except you did.

00:42:02.540 Well, that's true.

00:42:03.380 I did.

00:42:04.780 Yeah.

00:42:05.220 You lived here for four years when Trump was president.

00:42:07.220 Yeah.

00:42:07.640 That's true.

00:42:08.240 I did.

00:42:08.620 I did.

00:42:09.160 And it was fine, right?

00:42:09.940 You're totally fine.

00:42:10.560 You're okay.

00:42:10.920 You're alive.

00:42:11.440 You probably made even more money than you previously had and everything was fine.

00:42:15.880 Well, yeah.

00:42:17.200 But I couldn't do it again.

00:42:19.340 This is why I think the reelect, especially with this intermediate period where Biden has

00:42:25.940 been president, where everything's gone to pot, I think it puts Trump in a stronger position

00:42:31.260 because it defangs the attacks.

00:42:36.020 What are the attacks on Trump that work now? 0.99

00:42:39.600 He's Hitler and he's going to kill everyone. 0.96

00:42:41.840 Well, he didn't do that. 0.94

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00:43:21.060 He's going to start World War III. 0.77

00:43:22.520 Actually, no, Biden's starting World War III.

00:43:24.820 Donald Trump was the best foreign policy president of my lifetime.

00:43:27.300 He was the most peaceful president I've ever seen in my whole life.

00:43:31.780 Well, okay, Trump's fine when he's president, but he won't leave office.

00:43:36.280 Yeah, he did though.

00:43:37.880 And he didn't want to, and you rigged the election, but he left anyway.

00:43:42.920 Well, we just, the country will be unlivable for the liberal elites.

00:43:46.780 The liberal elites were fine.

00:43:47.600 You all threatened to leave, and then he got elected, and you stayed, and you were fine.

00:43:51.800 And now you're just doing this.

00:43:52.660 It's just so exhausting. 0.99

00:43:55.320 It's so silly.

00:43:56.740 Because it's just the same, you're like robots. 0.99

00:43:58.720 You know, it's the same nonsense over and over again. 1.00

00:44:00.860 But this time you look even more ridiculous because you've either proven yourselves to be hypocrites and proven yourselves to be unserious, or you've proven your warnings to be specious and ridiculous. 0.99

00:44:15.340 Which is why, by the way, you are now seeing the field winnow in the race, and you're seeing the endorsements begin to coalesce around Trump. 0.99

00:44:28.100 Whether you like Trump, whether you hate Trump, there's a reason why in Florida a number of people who had previously endorsed DeSantis are now endorsing Trump.

00:44:34.720 Certain people who had been on the fence are still endorsing people like DeSantis, potentially like Haley.

00:44:41.580 I'm thinking of Kim Reynolds.

00:44:42.480 That was a big one in Iowa, the governor of Iowa.

00:44:45.700 But generally, the movement seems to be for endorsements into the Trump camp.

00:44:49.460 Because even if the people endorsing Trump right now don't even like Trump that much, even if they had previously endorsed Ron DeSantis and they ran against Trump, they realize that it just looks like the guy is going to be the nominee and they're going to get on the winning team.

00:45:02.360 This is including the new Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.

00:45:06.180 As far as I know, you have not endorsed the former president yet for 2024.

00:45:11.100 And this is, everybody's watching this show right now.

00:45:13.860 If you're going to do that, this would be a great time to do it, Mr. Speaker.

00:45:17.780 Are you ready?

00:45:18.360 I have done it.

00:45:19.460 Yeah, I have.

00:45:20.480 I have endorsed him wholeheartedly.

00:45:22.400 Look, I was one of the closest allies that President Trump had in Congress.

00:45:26.600 He had a phenomenal first term.

00:45:28.060 Those first two years, as you all know, we brought about the greatest economic numbers in the history of the world, not just the country, because his policies worked.

00:45:35.720 And I'm all in for President Trump.

00:45:37.980 I expect he'll be our nominee.

00:45:40.440 Yeah.

00:45:40.880 And he's going to win it.

00:45:41.860 And we have to make Biden a one term president.

00:45:44.340 We have to do that.

00:45:45.540 Now, I don't mean to insinuate here that Mike Johnson is only endorsing Trump.

00:45:49.220 Because the writing is on the wall.

00:45:50.820 I don't think that's the case.

00:45:51.760 I think he was a Trump supporter before.

00:45:53.600 And there's no reason to believe he's not totally sincere and earnest here.

00:45:56.960 But that's a big endorsement.

00:45:59.960 He didn't have to endorse this early.

00:46:02.760 Speaker of the House is a big endorsement.

00:46:04.240 And there are a lot of other people who are endorsing, I think, in a less sincere way, but simply because they see that the writing is on the wall.

00:46:13.580 And in part, this is because Trump made a bet.

00:46:15.780 The bet was, I think the nomination is locked up.

00:46:18.480 I'm not even going to show up to the debates.

00:46:19.800 That could have backfired on him.

00:46:20.880 And the voters could have said, hey, man, you're disrespecting us.

00:46:25.160 We want you to come make your case.

00:46:26.500 You need to earn our vote.

00:46:27.460 That's what Haley and DeSantis and the other Republicans argued.

00:46:31.520 And it just doesn't seem to have worked.

00:46:33.480 So with the writing on the wall, you can expect more endorsements.

00:46:37.480 And you can expect a more concerted strategy from the Democrats to call Trump-Hitler even more loudly and with even more of a serious face on it.

00:46:47.740 And you can expect more celebrities to threaten to leave the country, and you can expect more liberals to sacrifice their children and their property to nature gods.

00:46:56.340 And you can just expect more of the same that we've seen for years and, frankly, even millennia.

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The Michael Knowles Show - November 15, 2023

Ep. 1372 - Woke Celebrities Threaten To Leave USA If Trump Wins

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