The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1387 - Taylor Swift Deserves To Be Person of the Year

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00:00:37.680 Taylor Swift has been named the Time Magazine Person of the Year.

00:00:41.600 Some liberals are upset by this because a basically normal white lady won the award. 1.00

00:00:46.800 Some conservatives are upset by this because a vaguely liberal lady won the award.

00:00:52.580 And to all of them, I quote Chris Christie.

00:00:55.120 This is a smart, accomplished woman.

00:00:57.120 You should stop insulting her.

00:00:59.140 Listen here.

00:01:00.300 I have a decent amount of credibility on this issue because I was the 2006 Time Person of the Year myself.

00:01:07.420 And I say she totally deserves it.

00:01:10.700 Or she almost totally deserves it.

00:01:12.860 Really, if we're talking about influence and dominating the global conversation, it should have been Elon.

00:01:17.780 But Elon already gave it, or Elon rather, already won the Time Award two years ago.

00:01:23.520 And Taylor Swift is genuinely a phenomenon.

00:01:25.920 She is not a psyop.

00:01:27.320 People actually really like her.

00:01:29.600 I don't really get it because I'm neither a millennial woman nor a homosexual.

00:01:34.100 But I am convinced that her popularity is not contrived.

00:01:37.360 I have seen too many intelligent, put-together, accomplished women lose their minds for Taylor Swift's tour. 1.00

00:01:45.620 Shell out thousands of dollars.

00:01:47.640 Refresh Ticketmaster for hours.

00:01:49.500 It's very weird.

00:01:50.640 I don't get it.

00:01:52.020 But I am not the target audience.

00:01:54.340 And I'm not thrilled that she's vaguely liberal.

00:01:56.880 But of all the people that Time could have picked, Taylor Swift is easily one of the best.

00:02:04.200 She's clean cut.

00:02:05.620 She's pretty. 0.99

00:02:06.920 And best and most shocking of all, she's normal.

00:02:12.460 As far as the liberal press is concerned, that is about as big a win as any conservative could possibly hope for.

00:02:20.720 This is a smart, accomplished woman.

00:02:23.360 And people should stop insulting her.

00:02:24.740 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:02:25.340 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:03:15.260 A school board president in Pennsylvania just swore the oath of office on a stack of banned books, which was mostly deviant pornography.

00:03:24.620 I guess all pornography is deviant, but some of it is especially deviant.

00:03:27.720 That's what she did.

00:03:28.440 So we'll get to that in one second.

00:03:29.340 First, though, speaking of achievements, moving from Taylor to the political field, I'm really proud of Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:03:40.400 Vivek has just unlocked a new political, specifically Republican achievement.

00:03:47.460 He has been compared to a Nazi on CNN.

00:03:51.160 That guy is dangerous.

00:03:54.100 That's dangerous.

00:03:55.820 When those people are saying Jews will not replace us, Jews will not replace us, that slogan sits on top of a very sick and twisted view that if you bring enough people of color here, we are so deficient, we are so stupid, we are so unwanted that we will be zombies to fill out the ranks for some Democratic Party agenda that Jewish people are manipulating and driving forward.

00:04:20.060 That leads to violence, that puts at risk Jewish people, that puts at risk people of color, it is wrong.

00:04:28.900 And the smug, condescending way that he just spews this poison out is very, very dangerous because he won't stop Trump, but he's going to outlive Trump by about 50 years.

00:04:40.900 And you're watching the rise of an American demagogue that is a very, very despicable person.

00:04:47.440 And I literally, I was shaking listening to him talk because a lot of people don't know that is one step away from Nazi propaganda coming out of his mouth.

00:04:56.920 That's it.

00:04:57.780 That's what he was doing.

00:04:58.740 If you listened really carefully, not if you listen to the words that Vivek said, which were totally unobjectionable.

00:05:05.220 But if you listen really carefully to like the dog whistle pitches in between all the notes and the words, then what he actually said sounded a lot like,

00:05:15.540 I don't think so.

00:05:19.460 Did you hear any Nazi propaganda from Vivek Ramaswamy?

00:05:22.260 What Vivek said was, there's a program of mass migration coming into this country that the Libs want because it displaces Americans and it gives them an advantage. 0.50

00:05:32.320 And he says, they call it a conspiracy theory.

00:05:34.660 They call it a great replacement, but it's the explicit, totally open program of the Democrat Party to take away the borders and flood the country with foreigners because it gives them an electoral advantage. 0.96

00:05:46.260 That's what he said.

00:05:48.460 And then Van Jones hears that.

00:05:50.800 Hears that completely unobjectionable, obviously true statement.

00:05:53.960 He says, and you know what he's implying here.

00:05:56.900 What he's implying is that the Jews are the most rotten, evil people on earth and ought to be rounded up and sent to get camps.

00:06:04.580 Wait, what?

00:06:05.100 When did Vivek mention the Jews?

00:06:07.380 Huh?

00:06:09.080 Well, secretly, that's what he was implying.

00:06:12.380 And he's a demagogue and he, good grief, man.

00:06:16.140 Good on him.

00:06:16.800 Good on him.

00:06:17.340 If I were Vivek, I wouldn't be offended by that at all.

00:06:19.240 You are not a serious mainstream conservative until CNN calls you a Nazi.

00:06:27.860 You're not.

00:06:28.920 If CNN is not calling you a Nazi, then you might as well sign up with the Democrat Party.

00:06:36.540 To be called a Nazi by the mainstream left is the barrier to entry for a conservative policy.

00:06:43.860 They start to call you a Nazi if you gently advocate that we just cut taxes a little bit, okay?

00:06:49.340 The barrier to entry is not that high.

00:06:52.040 And Vivek has passed it.

00:06:53.020 So the guy's got a lot of achievements in his life, okay?

00:06:57.820 He's a self-made man.

00:06:59.960 He's a graduate of Yale Law School.

00:07:02.260 He started a very successful company.

00:07:04.120 He sold it for something like a billion dollars.

00:07:06.360 He is a best-selling author.

00:07:08.680 He is a presidential candidate who went from no-name recognition to being one of the top guys in the race.

00:07:13.040 And now the top achievement is the liars at CNN call him a Nazi.

00:07:18.980 Good job.

00:07:19.540 Meanwhile, the rest of the establishment, not just on the Democrat side, but even on the Republican side of the establishment,

00:07:26.100 they are upset about a problem that Vivek does not have.

00:07:32.460 Part of the knock on Vivek is he's this young, precocious guy.

00:07:36.320 But the rest of the political establishment is upset at the old people who are still in politics.

00:07:41.140 Jeb Bush, Jeb, Jeb just criticized the disproportionate influence of old people in politics. 0.60

00:07:50.200 He said, as a 70-year-old person, I am part of the problem.

00:07:54.840 It is time for my generation to get off the stage politically.

00:07:58.760 I hear this a lot.

00:07:59.920 Probably a lot of rock-ribbed conservatives even are going to agree with what Jeb says here.

00:08:05.140 I do not.

00:08:06.680 I do not suffer from ageism.

00:08:09.860 It's very fashionable to say, oh, these old people, they don't know what they're doing. 1.00

00:08:13.140 We need to make way for the youths. 0.99

00:08:14.540 Hey, man, I'm a conservative.

00:08:15.860 I don't put that much stock in the youths, okay?

00:08:18.140 I actually think that with age comes wisdom.

00:08:20.320 And sometimes with age, wisdom does not come, like in the case of Joe Biden.

00:08:24.900 But sometimes it does.

00:08:26.000 And I don't want to discriminate against old people.

00:08:28.020 In fact, the word Senate, like the U.S. Senate, comes from the Latin word Senex, which means old guy.

00:08:35.920 So I think it's perfectly fine to have old guys in politics. 1.00

00:08:38.400 The problem with our political order right now is not old people. 1.00

00:08:43.240 It's a certain strain of old thinking.

00:08:46.780 That's the problem.

00:08:48.700 Does anyone believe that Jeb Bush wants more Vivek Ramaswamy's in politics?

00:08:53.780 Vivek is like 12 years old.

00:08:55.020 He is not an old man by any means.

00:08:59.180 You think Jeb wants more Viveks?

00:09:00.900 No way.

00:09:01.520 I'm sure Jeb hates what Vivek is bringing into the Republican Party.

00:09:06.620 Because what Vivek is bringing to the Republican Party is largely a repudiation of the Bush family's contribution to the Republican Party.

00:09:14.520 Does Jeb really hate?

00:09:16.460 I don't know.

00:09:18.300 Joe Biden?

00:09:19.620 Did Jeb really hate the old guard?

00:09:22.480 Does Jeb hate Mitch McConnell?

00:09:23.820 No.

00:09:25.020 I don't think so.

00:09:27.640 It's an old line of thinking that is the problem.

00:09:31.400 The proof of this here is Donald Trump.

00:09:35.640 Because even if you hate Donald Trump, you probably don't hate Donald Trump because of his age.

00:09:42.880 Donald Trump has much more in common politically with the youngest prominent figures in the Republican Party right now than he does with the old guys. 0.80

00:09:51.700 Donald Trump has much more in common with Vivek, J.D. Vance, Josh Hawley, Blake Masters.

00:10:01.540 The group that is currently called the new right, Trump has much more in common with them than he does with Mitch McConnell, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

00:10:13.480 And he's got way more in common with the young guys.

00:10:16.020 The big divide is not age.

00:10:19.080 The big divide is ideas.

00:10:21.580 There are some Republicans who want to maintain the feckless consensus that predominated on the right after the Cold War and throughout the Bush administration and even into the early Obama administration.

00:10:38.840 And that feckless consensus was ignore social issues, just focus on projecting American might abroad and cutting taxes.

00:10:48.260 That was the consensus.

00:10:49.600 I mean, it was articulated, in fact, by George H.W. Bush just after the Cold War.

00:10:55.100 There was a big debate in the Republican Party.

00:10:57.080 It was George H.W. Bush versus Pat Buchanan.

00:10:59.740 George H.W. Bush said, when we won the Cold War, now we have to win the peace.

00:11:02.960 And we've only got to focus on expanding our economic might to the exclusion, basically, of every other question.

00:11:09.600 And Pat Buchanan said, uh-uh, we're fighting a culture war.

00:11:12.020 He gave a very famous speech called the Culture War speech at the 1992 Republican National Convention.

00:11:16.600 And Bush won, and Buchanan lost, and the Bush view predominated for 26 years.

00:11:22.240 And you saw it throughout the Clinton administration and the Bush administration.

00:11:26.500 It was – the two were not all that different.

00:11:29.200 You saw it into the early Tea Party even, just focus on cutting taxes, shrinking government, forget the cultural issues.

00:11:35.080 The leaders of the Tea Party especially, the political leaders of the Tea Party.

00:11:38.820 I'm thinking of Paul Ryan.

00:11:40.180 I'm thinking of the young guns, so-called, in Congress. 0.51

00:11:42.840 The grassroots of the Tea Party was much more cultural.

00:11:45.440 But the political leadership at the top focused almost exclusively on economic issues.

00:11:50.620 And it didn't work, okay?

00:11:51.860 And then Trump comes around, and he brings back the Buchanan view.

00:11:54.580 Is Jeb Bush really concerned about age, or is he concerned about something a little bit deeper?

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00:13:09.460 Now, speaking of new problems and not dealing with them, we did a segment a couple days ago

00:13:16.920 on this porn investigation from Sound Investigations.

00:13:20.640 We had Arden Young come on the show.

00:13:22.420 This was an exclusive that we broke.

00:13:25.840 And the clip now has been seen well over 5 million times on Twitter alone.

00:13:30.100 I don't even know how many on YouTube and elsewhere.

00:13:32.200 It went totally, completely viral.

00:13:34.840 And the reason it went viral was two shocking revelations from the undercover footage with

00:13:45.080 the senior Pornhub writers.

00:13:46.780 One was that, and I didn't find this all that shocking, they knew that kids were looking at

00:13:52.460 their stuff.

00:13:52.960 They're admitting that they at least know that on the camera.

00:14:00.820 And we know that whenever there are age verification laws passed in states, Pornhub pulls their

00:14:05.920 business out of the states because they don't want to comply with that.

00:14:08.920 So I didn't find that all that shocking.

00:14:10.660 And I think that's something we all knew.

00:14:11.680 The thing that was really shocking was you had two senior writers for Pornhub.

00:14:15.980 First of all, Pornhub has writers.

00:14:17.440 Apparently it does.

00:14:18.720 Or whatever the Pornhub, they keep changing their name.

00:14:21.660 So it was Pornhub, then that was owned by MindGeek, then that was owned by now A-Lo.

00:14:26.660 They keep changing it because it's a disgusting company.

00:14:28.800 So they don't want to have to maintain any kind of reputation.

00:14:33.460 They just have to keep changing the names.

00:14:34.760 This is how the left uses words and euphemisms.

00:14:37.580 They have to keep changing them because the underlying reality of what they're saying is

00:14:40.180 so bad.

00:14:41.420 So they've got these senior writers, and the senior writers said on camera, they said,

00:14:46.520 one strategy that we use to expand the market is we slip gay and trans themes into the straight porn.

00:14:58.820 And the reason that we do that is that we seek to convert, their words, not mine,

00:15:04.720 the straight guys to look at all this even weirder porn.

00:15:09.720 So I thought that was pretty shocking because I was raised to be told that sexual orientation

00:15:16.500 is innate, it's immutable, nothing can possibly change, you can't convert anybody, right? 0.99

00:15:22.560 That's what we've been told our whole lives.

00:15:24.380 And yet, senior staff at the most powerful, most knowledgeable porn company in the world,

00:15:31.120 they've got more data than anybody on this subject, they're saying, no, yes, you can.

00:15:34.860 Not only can you convert people from one sexual preference or desire to another, but that's

00:15:42.500 our business model, that's our strategy.

00:15:44.200 So anyway, I was pretty shocked at this.

00:15:45.980 Clip goes out there, it goes viral.

00:15:47.060 And then, this is a really weird headline.

00:15:50.060 The Advocate, which is some LGBT LMNOP magazine, runs a headline.

00:15:55.560 The headline says, Pornhub makes you gay or trans, conservative Daily Wire pundit Michael

00:16:01.600 Knowles claims.

00:16:04.040 Did it?

00:16:04.860 Did I claim that?

00:16:07.100 Sub-headline.

00:16:08.260 The anti-LGBTQ plus right-wing pundit claimed that companies like Pornhub are secretly conspiring

00:16:14.500 to make cisgender, that's a stupid word, to make cisgender straight men change their sexual

00:16:21.840 orientation and gender identity.

00:16:24.620 Now, the problem with this headline and subheader is, I never claimed that.

00:16:32.720 Pornhub admitted that on video.

00:16:35.720 So I don't know where they get secretly, for they're not secretly conspiring.

00:16:39.160 It's on video.

00:16:40.520 I played the video.

00:16:42.080 I didn't do the investigation.

00:16:43.800 I'm not making any original claims at all.

00:16:46.640 I just played a clip of the actual porn company here.

00:16:53.780 So the actual headline should read, Pornhub makes you gay or trans, Pornhub claims.

00:16:59.620 The big porn company is openly conspiring to, or semi-openly conspiring, they're at least

00:17:08.180 talking about it over dinner dates where they don't know they're being recorded, to make

00:17:12.380 cisgender straight men change their sexual orientation and gender identity. 0.66

00:17:17.500 Don't shoot the messenger, man.

00:17:18.780 I'm not even the messenger.

00:17:19.620 I didn't even do the investigation.

00:17:20.420 I just listened to a reporter discuss it and then watched her footage where you hear it

00:17:25.300 straight from the horse's mouth.

00:17:27.420 What is this about?

00:17:28.620 I think probably my critics are going to be surprised to hear my basic conclusion from

00:17:36.880 this whole thing, which is, sure, there's all sorts of debates over sex and desire and

00:17:43.720 porn and morality.

00:17:44.880 The key to this story, the key to the Pornhub is trying to trans the straights story, again,

00:17:53.520 their video, not my original claims, the key to it is actually capitalism, or more precisely,

00:18:03.140 capitalism unconstrained by morality.

00:18:06.960 This was a key topic of my speech a couple nights ago at Clemson, which I encourage all

00:18:10.520 of you to watch.

00:18:11.260 It's called Kids Are Not Commodities, Surrogacy, and IVF.

00:18:14.880 What we call capitalism, what a lot of people mistakenly defend as capitalism today, is not

00:18:23.380 conservative.

00:18:23.980 It's not right-wing.

00:18:24.780 It's not something that Adam Smith would have defended.

00:18:26.640 It's certainly not something the Founding Fathers would have defended, because what people

00:18:30.100 are referring to as capitalism today is totally unconstrained by morality, and therefore, it

00:18:36.820 puts the cart before the horse.

00:18:39.040 Free markets are good.

00:18:40.040 They're the most efficient way to utilize resources in an economy.

00:18:43.520 But the purpose of that is to serve human flourishing.

00:18:49.860 It's to serve the political order.

00:18:51.560 We do not exist as a political community to serve the market.

00:18:57.560 That's called mammon worship.

00:18:59.500 The market exists to serve us.

00:19:02.520 And so capitalism, which is a word, let's not forget, popularized by Karl Marx, okay?

00:19:07.300 Capitalism, which in its current form is something that much more neatly would be revered by the

00:19:14.600 left than by the right, because the left turns everything into just a question of money, even

00:19:18.740 people.

00:19:19.440 It commoditizes even people.

00:19:21.040 The right doesn't do that.

00:19:22.080 We recognize that there's a lot more than money in the world.

00:19:24.160 We realize that human motivations go a lot deeper than just material gain.

00:19:28.880 What is called capitalism today is absolutely ghastly, because it has to grow.

00:19:36.700 It has to expand.

00:19:37.640 It has to get you to consume more and more.

00:19:40.380 If it's not growing, it's dying.

00:19:41.920 And so in the case of porn, which should be illegal anyway, and was illegal for most of

00:19:47.140 American history and most of the history of our civilization, when it comes to porn, you've

00:19:54.280 already thrown morality out the window by even permitting this stuff to exist and to flourish.

00:19:58.460 But a lot of people say, well, it's the free market.

00:20:00.340 It's free speech.

00:20:01.000 In the middle of the 20th century, leftists decided that for the first time ever, porn

00:20:08.080 was going to be considered free speech.

00:20:09.340 That was never the case in our country.

00:20:11.600 But after that point, we then said, well, in the name of all holy free market, we've got

00:20:16.700 to allow this smut and degeneracy to thrive and to expand.

00:20:21.720 And then what happens?

00:20:22.540 You've got a porn company.

00:20:23.320 Porn companies got to expand.

00:20:24.520 If they get all of the straight guys, and the straight guys are looking at all of the straight

00:20:28.540 porn, well, we've got to get new products for them.

00:20:31.180 You know, they've seen all of that.

00:20:32.620 We need to, well, how about if we have a dude? 0.99

00:20:34.400 Or how about we have like a dude who looks like a chick? 1.00

00:20:36.420 Or vice versa?

00:20:37.320 Or like three guys and a billy goat?

00:20:38.640 Or whatever.

00:20:39.500 It needs to get weirder and weirder and weirder and more varied.

00:20:44.500 Not my claim.

00:20:46.860 That is what the senior Pornhub staff is saying on air.

00:20:53.380 You got a problem with that.

00:20:54.880 Don't take it up with me.

00:20:56.620 Take it up with the corporation.

00:20:59.340 Don't forget, Pornhub's a corporation.

00:21:01.340 So if you've got a problem with that, don't even just take it up with the ideological

00:21:04.040 left.

00:21:05.000 Take it up with the ways in which our political economy has been so extraordinarily perverted,

00:21:11.080 ironically, in the name of capitalism, which conservatives supposedly like.

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00:24:31.380 So, speaking of creepy content being accessed by kids, new report out, schools across America

00:24:40.780 are encouraging minors, children, to go onto secret online LGBT chat rooms to discuss, quote,

00:24:53.080 gender-affirming surgeries, transgenderism, occult practices, believe it or not, and other

00:25:00.820 things with adults who identify as LGBT.

00:25:06.300 Seems to me, if any adults access these platforms, they should get a knock on the door from Chris

00:25:14.500 Hansen, followed by the police.

00:25:16.940 But it's not just that.

00:25:17.980 It's not just that creepy adults are talking about these things with kids, unsupervised by

00:25:23.420 the kids' parents, without the knowledge of the kids' parents at all.

00:25:27.280 It's that the schools are encouraging it.

00:25:30.560 Massachusetts has administrators who are pushing youth who identify as LGBTQIA+, I guess that's

00:25:37.720 the new one, that's the one they're sticking with, to QChat, which is a secret platform that

00:25:42.720 connects chat-based discussion groups for LGBTQ+.

00:25:48.640 They forgot the IA in that one, but they got to add the IA.

00:25:52.800 I guess the platform's outdated.

00:25:54.460 And questioning teens ages 13 to 19.

00:25:59.100 Can you imagine?

00:26:02.120 Can you imagine?

00:26:03.120 You're a parent, and you find out that some pervert school administrator told your 13-year-old

00:26:10.900 kid to go on to a secret chat room to talk with adults about weird sex stuff.

00:26:19.860 Can you imagine how difficult it would be to restrain your worst impulses and to remember

00:26:26.440 that vengeance belongs to the Lord and to allow the civil authority to take its course,

00:26:30.120 which it won't do because the civil authority promotes this.

00:26:32.440 Can you fathom that reaction?

00:26:38.560 Very difficult.

00:26:39.820 Very difficult to imagine restraint in that situation.

00:26:44.100 These chat rooms invite participants to join conversations on everything from queer youth

00:26:50.320 activism to sex and relationships to tarot cards.

00:26:55.540 Isn't it kind of weird?

00:26:56.200 Isn't it kind of weird how all this stuff just always seems to come back to weird satanic imagery?

00:27:02.620 Isn't that in like occult practices and demon stuff?

00:27:05.360 It's just funny, huh?

00:27:07.320 Funny how that works.

00:27:08.940 All of this, of course, without parental permission.

00:27:11.980 This website, which is a project of a bunch of LGBT LMNOP groups and Planned Parenthood.

00:27:17.540 So you have the child sacrifice people in there too.

00:27:21.340 They have even equipped the website with a quick escape.

00:27:24.000 So if your parents walk by and see that your pervert school administrators have encouraged

00:27:28.840 you to go talk about sex and tarot cards with weird adults, whose identity you don't know,

00:27:33.680 you can just very quickly X out of it.

00:27:36.400 And you just quick escape button, you're out.

00:27:38.600 So the parents won't find out.

00:27:40.100 You don't want them to find out because then they might tell you not to do that.

00:27:43.680 And the school really, really, the school wants to do the same thing that Pornhub's trying

00:27:47.960 to do to you.

00:27:48.620 Okay.

00:27:49.620 Wisconsin, it's not just Massachusetts, Wisconsin.

00:27:54.000 Had students guided to Trevor Space, which is a similar kind of thing.

00:27:58.520 Allows minors who identify as LGBT.

00:28:01.000 They lost the Q and the IA and the plus to anonymously chat with adults on the platform.

00:28:05.940 This is a project of the Trevor Project, which is a radical LGBT organization.

00:28:11.620 This has been exposed as a hotspot for graphic conversations about sexual fetishes, adults

00:28:19.080 giving minors advice on how to discreetly obtain various sexual paraphernalia and hide it from

00:28:25.460 their parents.

00:28:26.460 Very, very disturbing.

00:28:27.800 Adults detailing, I'm not even going to get into it.

00:28:30.460 Adults detailing very, very disgusting, depraved things for the minors on the chat form, on the

00:28:35.480 platform.

00:28:35.720 So this is Weimar Germany kind of stuff.

00:28:39.640 This is late Rome kind of stuff.

00:28:43.180 The worst kind of depravity you've ever read about in a history book right now at perhaps

00:28:52.080 a much higher level going on.

00:28:54.960 Obviously, I agree with that.

00:28:58.360 You very likely agree with that.

00:28:59.780 You, you normal people listening to the show.

00:29:02.120 Now, I know, look, I know that there are some left-wingers and even some radical left-wingers

00:29:06.120 who listen to the show.

00:29:07.400 So maybe there are a small number of you out there who disagree with me.

00:29:13.660 And you say, no, no, Michael, you don't.

00:29:15.940 You're totally misrepresenting this.

00:29:17.680 And I'll tell you, from their perspective, this is what they're saying.

00:29:20.340 From their perspective, they're saying, there are these kids who are trans, whatever, are

00:29:27.580 gay, are, they have these sexual desires that are unusual. 0.99

00:29:33.620 And they feel alone and they feel isolated.

00:29:37.240 And an oppressive society with a false and cruel morality forces them to stay in the closet

00:29:45.640 and deny their true selves.

00:29:47.240 And these heroic adults are out there giving their time, giving their money in many cases,

00:29:53.300 trying to save these poor, oppressed, LGBT, LMNP children from their cruel, evil parents 1.00

00:29:59.900 and this evil country founded on evil Christian morality. 0.93

00:30:03.680 And they're going to liberate them and bring them into the truth and fullness of their identity.

00:30:09.820 That's what they say.

00:30:11.000 That's what they believe.

00:30:11.920 That's the justification for this.

00:30:13.260 And so, from their perspective, I think many of them have good intentions.

00:30:19.480 Which, by the way, paved the road to hell, those good intentions.

00:30:22.000 But I bet they have good intentions.

00:30:23.240 Some of them.

00:30:23.680 Some of them are perverts.

00:30:24.700 But some of them are unknowingly perverts.

00:30:29.020 And they probably do have good intentions.

00:30:31.340 They really believe all of this.

00:30:33.480 So who's right?

00:30:34.940 What is it?

00:30:35.560 Is this a bunch of weirdos grooming kids into something that will harm them?

00:30:39.980 Or is this a bunch of wonderful, helpful people, enlightened, brilliant minds who are saving children from oppression and liberating them?

00:30:48.920 You know my view.

00:30:53.360 And I think I know your view.

00:30:55.640 But it's an open question.

00:30:57.880 And it's a question that the state will weigh in on.

00:31:01.960 That the state must weigh in on.

00:31:04.020 Because the school is going to do one thing or the other.

00:31:06.560 The school is either going to encourage these chat sites.

00:31:09.560 Or the school is not going to encourage these chat sites.

00:31:12.740 The school is going to teach something.

00:31:15.660 It's either going to teach that a boy can be a girl. 0.86

00:31:18.840 And therefore, if you're a boy but you think you're a girl, then you need to be liberated and go on hormones and chop yourself up and be called by the opposite pronouns.

00:31:30.440 Or it's not going to teach that.

00:31:31.640 The school is going to say, no, actually, boys can't be girls.

00:31:33.680 So you're just confused.

00:31:34.720 And we're going to try to give you a more correct understanding of things.

00:31:37.320 But it's going to teach something.

00:31:38.820 The state has to weigh in.

00:31:42.460 Which means that the state has to have some kind of religious view.

00:31:49.460 And even if you don't like the word religion, you're allergic to it.

00:31:52.200 The state has to take some kind of view of human nature.

00:31:55.240 And who we are.

00:31:56.960 How we know who we are.

00:31:58.260 What we're here for.

00:31:59.020 Those are all religious questions.

00:32:00.260 We can pretend that they're not if you'd prefer that.

00:32:02.400 But either way, the state has to have an answer to it.

00:32:06.580 And has to enforce those standards.

00:32:08.300 Who's going to do that?

00:32:11.260 Traditionally, that would be us.

00:32:13.040 We the people.

00:32:14.560 That's the true American tradition.

00:32:18.260 You will hear the radical squishes and the radical individualists and even the radical libertarians in some cases saying that we have no right to impose our views on others.

00:32:28.300 That's un-American. 0.81

00:32:29.300 Now, man, this is un-American.

00:32:31.940 You seriously think Thomas Jefferson would have supported this?

00:32:35.340 No.

00:32:35.880 You really think George Washington would have supported this kind of filth and degeneracy?

00:32:40.100 Of course not.

00:32:41.800 So that means that the view that you are claiming is the deep American true sense of freedom is just wrong.

00:32:48.420 It's just ahistorical.

00:32:49.520 You've been fed a lie.

00:32:50.840 You've bought a bill of goods, okay?

00:32:52.620 And that means we need to correct our perception first before we can then have the brains and the spine and maybe some other body parts to correct that perception for the country and return to something resembling a reasonable American tradition.

00:33:10.440 Now, speaking of the schools, there's a lady. 0.99

00:33:13.300 She was just sworn in as school board president in Pennsylvania, and she wanted to take the oath of office.

00:33:19.180 Usually, you swear the oath of office on a Bible.

00:33:21.260 If you're not Christian and you're a public office holder, say you're Muslim, I guess you could swear it on the Koran. 1.00

00:33:30.020 Let's say you're Jewish, I guess you could swear it on the Torah. 0.82

00:33:34.000 But you swear it on a book, traditionally, that means a lot to you, and that speaks to obligations that you have beyond the material world.

00:33:44.500 Because what you're vowing is, I will uphold my office with integrity, I will not deceive, I will not cheat, I will not lie, so help me God.

00:33:56.120 Because even if I won't be held to account in this life, I will be held to account in the life to come.

00:34:03.040 That's why you do it.

00:34:03.980 It's a book that you hold sacred.

00:34:06.100 And the books that this lady holds sacred are pornography. 0.92

00:34:10.360 This woman, Karen Smith, decided to swear the oath of office on a stack of banned books. 1.00

00:34:19.500 This, of course, thanks to our friends at Libs of TikTok, who, you know, she just digs up all the greatest stuff.

00:34:24.960 The books are not even the usual banned books that people cite.

00:34:30.180 You know, I don't know, the Harper Lee novel.

00:34:33.560 What's that called?

00:34:34.920 You know, I can't believe I forget.

00:34:36.140 It's one of the most famous novels ever written.

00:34:37.440 And they sometimes say that that's a banned book, or I don't know, Catcher in the Rye or something.

00:34:41.660 No, but those aren't the books that are really banned.

00:34:43.900 The books that are banned are usually weirdo porn that they're putting into elementary schools.

00:34:49.460 Well, what are these books?

00:34:51.740 Flamer by Henry Holt.

00:34:55.160 All Boys Aren't Blue by Something Johnson.

00:34:59.120 There's a Toni Morrison novel in there, which the reason people shouldn't read Toni Morrison is because she's not a very good writer.

00:35:06.780 Not because it's pornographic, exactly.

00:35:08.960 Lillian Duncan, Donna Gephardt.

00:35:10.920 So even here, Flamer.

00:35:12.020 What we're talking about is porn.

00:35:14.060 In this case, like weird gay porn.

00:35:16.320 I'm glad to see genderqueer wasn't in there. 1.00

00:35:18.620 I'm sure that someone's going to include that, too.

00:35:20.660 Look, this makes sense to me.

00:35:22.080 It makes sense that the libs would consider the most sacred books in the world to be books that are poorly written and pornographic in some cases.

00:35:33.600 That's what they hold sacred.

00:35:37.300 Bad writing, weak art, and obscenity.

00:35:40.580 That's what they hold sacred.

00:35:42.020 They don't see it like that.

00:35:43.920 What they see it like is that they are swearing the oath on freedom and openness.

00:35:50.840 They have a mistaken conception of freedom and unopenedness.

00:35:54.880 We want to read every—there should be no banned books.

00:35:57.400 And the irony here, of course, is the book that one would traditionally swear the oath of office on is the one book that is actually banned in schools, and that's the Bible.

00:36:07.620 And this school board lady seems fine with that because she kicked the Bible out of her oath of office. 1.00

00:36:14.040 That's the irony.

00:36:14.680 There's only one book that is actually banned in schools throughout the country, and that book is the Bible.

00:36:21.220 The rest of the stuff, your mileage may vary by municipality, but largely the weirdo porn stuff and the bad writing and the nonsense is permitted.

00:36:31.160 They want total openness.

00:36:36.440 Now, this is attractive even to a lot of right-wingers.

00:36:39.640 They say, that's right, we want freedom.

00:36:41.360 And they view freedom as being just total openness to everything, which, as we've said many times on this show, that's not what freedom actually is.

00:36:47.200 That's not what our founders thought freedom was.

00:36:48.800 That's not what the great statesmen of our civilization have thought that freedom is.

00:36:51.480 But I guess my question to them is, you want total openness.

00:36:57.520 You hold as most sacred just the total openness to anything and everything without coming to any conclusions whatsoever.

00:37:05.500 However, why, why, why is that good?

00:37:12.520 What's so good about presenting a 10-year-old with porn in the classroom?

00:37:21.660 Well, what do you want to do, ban books?

00:37:23.740 In some cases, yes, but at least for certain people and, you know, in certain ages.

00:37:29.120 But put that aside for a second.

00:37:32.100 Why is it good?

00:37:33.260 You sound like a book burner.

00:37:34.940 Hold on.

00:37:35.360 Quit it with the invective.

00:37:36.580 Quit it with the insults.

00:37:37.560 Just, can you give me an explanation of why it is, what good is achieved by giving pornography to a 10-year-old?

00:37:43.840 Well, then they're really, they're really open.

00:37:49.600 Right, to what end?

00:37:50.880 For what?

00:37:51.560 Our founding fathers talked about the blessings of liberty.

00:37:53.880 And they had a way better conception of liberty than we do today.

00:37:57.360 But when you talk about the blessings of liberty, you recognize that liberty is an instrument to an end, to a good.

00:38:03.440 It's not a good in and of itself.

00:38:06.160 It's a, it's a, it's a means to an end.

00:38:08.600 So what is the good to be achieved there?

00:38:10.680 They fall silent.

00:38:11.940 They will look at you like you have three heads.

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00:39:35.200 That's not nice.

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00:39:54.920 Take it away.

00:39:55.320 Hi, Michael.

00:39:57.360 Guess who it is?

00:39:58.320 No, not your uncle who smokes too much.

00:40:00.700 It's Dr. Fauci.

00:40:02.520 I was wondering just one question.

00:40:05.200 Why are you not wearing your mask?

00:40:07.020 Just because I am not in the public eye anymore does not mean you do not have to answer to my

00:40:12.120 omnipotent power.

00:40:13.440 You must wear your mask.

00:40:14.720 You are exposing you and everyone you know to the new coronavirus Death Star variant that's

00:40:20.620 very dangerous and very deadly.

00:40:23.080 Please wear a mask.

00:40:25.320 You're right.

00:40:29.480 You're right, Dr. Fauci.

00:40:30.940 I don't know what I was thinking, especially you here.

00:40:33.820 I'm just a little tiny bit stuffy right now.

00:40:35.840 So who knows?

00:40:36.280 I might have COVID-19, COVID-23, COVID-27.

00:40:42.320 There's going to be a new COVID just before every presidential election cycle.

00:40:46.140 So you're right.

00:40:46.720 I'm sorry, doctor.

00:40:48.080 You got me.

00:40:49.380 Next one.

00:40:49.780 Hi, Michael.

00:40:52.880 My brother-in-law thinks it would be morally okay to donate sperm for money.

00:40:57.660 I, on the other hand, do not.

00:41:00.760 He would argue that it's a simple exchange and that he would have no obligation to the

00:41:05.500 life created since it's done professionally and anonymously.

00:41:09.420 I think it's equivalent to prostitution for men because you're essentially selling your body 0.77

00:41:15.240 for money and you're working in the sex industry.

00:41:18.520 He disagrees that it's like prostitution but has no argument against why.

00:41:22.600 We're both Christians and so it got me curious and I've asked around to other believers and

00:41:27.960 they would seem to side with my brother-in-law.

00:41:30.280 I'm shocked by this.

00:41:31.760 Help me win this debate.

00:41:32.820 How can I convince my brother-in-law and my friends to see the moral issues with donating

00:41:38.580 sperm and how irresponsible it really is?

00:41:41.960 Love the show.

00:41:42.620 I love the work you do.

00:41:43.980 Thanks.

00:41:46.800 Here's the first thing you ask him.

00:41:48.300 If you want to show the intrinsic immorality of donating sperm.

00:41:53.180 I mean, there's so many, many more serious issues here, but here's the first one.

00:41:59.360 How are you going to donate the sperm?

00:42:03.140 What, you don't want to get too graphic, especially you're talking to your family members or something,

00:42:06.380 but what is the method by which one donates sperm?

00:42:12.440 Is that action virtuous and holy or is that action intrinsically evil and gravely wrong

00:42:20.840 and obviously immoral and shameful?

00:42:25.000 Is it, and even if people are confused about this today because there's a lot of religious confusion,

00:42:30.600 is that action something that Christians, since the advent of our civilization, and in fact,

00:42:39.720 even before the advent of our Lord and the nativity and the crucifixion and the resurrection,

00:42:45.380 is that something that the line of our faith has held to be good or obviously immoral and the sin of Onan for all of history? 0.94

00:42:55.380 What do you think it is?

00:42:56.660 It's obviously the latter, guys.

00:42:58.300 So just there, that's the very first thing.

00:43:01.100 The action of donating sperm would involve an immoral act after that.

00:43:07.720 Because some people try to whitewash that.

00:43:10.700 They try to say, no, no, that's okay, actually.

00:43:13.020 Now, everything changed now, and that obviously shameful action is really good, and it's totally fine.

00:43:17.880 It's just a health matter.

00:43:18.980 He says, oh, it's a health facility.

00:43:21.440 It's administered by professionals.

00:43:23.240 Yeah, so are abortion clinics, man.

00:43:24.820 It doesn't make them good.

00:43:26.000 They're very bad.

00:43:27.080 But then in this case, what he would be doing is fathering a child and then abandoning that child, which is a grave evil.

00:43:36.200 When it comes to procreation, the only party that can be said to have any rights is the child. 0.89

00:43:42.820 The child has a right to his natural mother and father and to be conceived in the conjugal act. 0.93

00:43:50.240 And I went into some detail as to why this is the case in my speech that I gave a couple of nights ago at Clemson on kids are not commodities, surrogacy, and IVF.

00:44:00.580 I guess that's another part here.

00:44:03.560 This commoditizes sex and human life. 0.97

00:44:06.820 People are not property.

00:44:10.000 People are not property to be bought and sold.

00:44:12.380 The way we know people are not property is that people have rights.

00:44:16.000 And so if people have any rights at all, that means that people cannot have a right to other people.

00:44:21.480 You have a right to property.

00:44:24.440 You don't have a right to other people because those other people also have rights.

00:44:28.840 So in this case, because of capitalism unmoored from morality, we're commoditizing everything.

00:44:35.640 And the analogy you make with prostitution is apt because in prostitution, we commoditize human beings and we treat human beings like nothing more than instruments and flesh and property to be used for the gratification of another's lowest appetites.

00:44:51.960 And here it's even graver because we're treating people and we're treating sex as property to conceive another person and then to sell that person.

00:45:02.580 So deeply, deeply evil, not worth it at all, and gross.

00:45:07.660 So tell your brother to give your brother maybe a little corrective smack and say, come to your senses.

00:45:12.620 I'm not saying assault him.

00:45:14.460 I'm not saying punch him.

00:45:15.380 You know, it's like the legend of St. Nicholas at the Council of Nicaea talking to the Heresiarch Arias.

00:45:22.080 It's not that he punched him in the face.

00:45:23.580 He gave him a corrective slap. 0.71

00:45:24.880 You know, get a hold of yourself.

00:45:26.400 Man, what's the matter with you?

00:45:27.940 Like Don Corleone talking to Johnny Fontaine.

00:45:29.820 Next one.

00:45:30.160 Hey, Michael, love the show.

00:45:32.860 My question for you is about how to successfully and gracefully navigate arguments within your marriage.

00:45:38.520 So many couples struggle with this, I think, and they struggle with how to have a disagreement without yelling or getting mean at each other.

00:45:44.360 And you have said before that no husband or wife should be raising their voice or yelling at each other in an argument.

00:45:49.580 So I wanted to get your suggestions on how couples should gracefully navigate disagreements within their marriage.

00:45:56.920 Thank you so much for the advice.

00:45:58.640 Wives should submit to their husbands and husbands should love their wives. 0.89

00:46:02.580 I'm not the first to say it, but that will help a lot.

00:46:08.260 And probably that's a controversial piece of advice in our decadent age.

00:46:12.720 But the reason for this is there will be a head of household.

00:46:18.600 There has to be.

00:46:21.300 Two people don't make a very good democracy.

00:46:24.000 So someone's going to have the final say.

00:46:26.360 And the question is, how are you going to have the final say?

00:46:28.360 Is it going to be the husband?

00:46:29.460 I guess that's patriarchy.

00:46:32.740 Is it going to be the wife? 0.97

00:46:35.400 I guess that's matriarchy. 1.00

00:46:37.440 Or is that going to be a constant negotiation where one person wins and has the final say this time and another person has the final say this time where you just don't ever come to an agreement.

00:46:48.040 And then you have even more division in your marriage.

00:46:51.040 And for all of history, at least in our civilization and really everywhere else, the husband has been the head of the household and has the final say.

00:47:00.580 So that has seemed to work out pretty well for civilization so far.

00:47:03.840 In recent years, we have this feminist idea where either the woman has the final say or you just never come to an agreement.

00:47:10.400 But then your marriage becomes like a business negotiation.

00:47:17.040 Everything becomes commoditized.

00:47:18.560 This is a theme we're seeing throughout our culture.

00:47:21.020 And you don't want your marriage to be a business negotiation.

00:47:23.320 You want your marriage to be two people coming together and becoming one flesh and having their love be so real that it actually creates new people.

00:47:31.940 So I would encourage strong feminism out the window. 1.00

00:47:35.900 And then my biggest advice is for the men, which is you don't want to lord power over your wife. 0.78

00:47:43.660 You want to hear your wife's opinion if you feel that you can reasonably accommodate that.

00:47:48.660 Even if it will inconvenience you, then if your reason leads you to the place where you think, okay, it would be good for us to do this, even though I don't particularly want to, then do that.

00:48:04.240 But if your reason leads you to a place where you say, no, it is objectively good that I or you or we do such and such.

00:48:12.520 And the good of that outweighs the bad of that, and there's nothing evil in that, and here's my argument for it, and you're still at a disagreement, then you've got to make a final say.

00:48:25.540 And maybe in charity and love for your wife, you try to do some nice things for her around that.

00:48:32.660 But you're not going to do it with feminism or a democracy. 1.00

00:48:37.780 It's not good for families.

00:48:39.480 Just look at what it's done to families over the last 50, 70 years.

00:48:42.800 Next question.

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00:49:14.660 Hi, Michael.

00:49:15.620 I love your show, and I was wondering if you could rate your producers from best to worst.

00:49:21.460 Producer Davies, Producer Danny, Professor Jacob, and Young Markella.

00:49:27.040 Thanks.

00:49:27.760 Love ya.

00:49:30.240 Davies obviously last, no question.

00:49:32.300 It goes without saying.

00:49:36.860 Ordinarily, I would say ladies first, you know. 1.00

00:49:40.220 But I actually, I think I have to give it to Producer Danny here.

00:49:43.300 Because Producer Danny has the most difficult job of anyone.

00:49:48.460 Because Producer Danny, I send in my script, you know, and I say,

00:49:51.940 okay, hey, I need a clip of Ross Perot using the word anti-disestablishmentarianism sometime in 1972.

00:50:00.680 Can you find that for me, Danny?

00:50:02.040 And then Danny at four in the morning has to go scouring the internet, you know, has to go to libraries and the Dewey Decimal System to find whatever clip I want.

00:50:10.500 So that's absolutely brutal.

00:50:12.300 Sometimes we do that on the fly.

00:50:14.140 I would say Danny is at the top, followed by, we've already established Mr. Davies, obviously way down at the bottom, followed by the young Markella, of course, because she's the only one of them who is delightful, you know, and not just a, you know, sort of broken husk of a man.

00:50:32.740 And then, and then I guess that would leave Professor Jacob in the penultimate spot, but not the last place, because I don't want to be called anti-Semitic.

00:50:42.800 All right, let's get to some written mailbag.

00:50:45.620 Plus, you know, some people have suggested that Professor Jacob should be at the top of the list because he came into work the morning after he got a concussion and then actually went on the road with me to South Carolina.

00:50:56.240 But that's a basic job expectation, okay?

00:50:59.380 That is not, that's not going above me.

00:51:01.520 Come on, who doesn't do that?

00:51:03.160 A question from Jessica.

00:51:05.220 Michael, how do I tell my husband to be more financially responsible?

00:51:07.460 He has made poor financial decisions before he finally admitted that we have accumulated over $15,000 in debt that I was unaware of.

00:51:13.600 Oh my goodness.

00:51:14.440 We're working hard to pay it off because I want to quit my job to stay home with our two young kids and homeschool them.

00:51:18.920 But occasionally I will open a statement from an accountant that I thought was closed, and he responds with, I'm not perfect.

00:51:23.480 Oof.

00:51:24.460 He comes from a family that did not handle money well.

00:51:26.520 He has made other poor and impulsive decisions in the past that I am still working to forgive.

00:51:30.780 I want to tell him to man up because he has a family to take care of and that I need to be able to trust him.

00:51:35.240 But I'm Catholic, and I don't know how to both submit to my husband's leadership and tell him to be a responsible leader at the same time.

00:51:39.980 How do I address this in a way that will be effective and not like I'm nagging?

00:51:43.800 Thank you so much for your show and all you do.

00:51:45.980 I've learned a lot about my faith just from listening to you.

00:51:47.880 That's very kind.

00:51:48.300 And you need to put limits on the way that he can spend money.

00:51:58.460 Not that you need to do this.

00:52:00.460 You as a family need to do this.

00:52:02.220 Because in an ideal functioning family, the man would be the head of the household in all ways and would be responsible.

00:52:10.200 But in this case, he has a defect of his will.

00:52:13.400 He has a problem here.

00:52:14.920 He has a vice.

00:52:16.080 And that vice involves money.

00:52:17.320 So just as if your husband were an alcoholic, you wouldn't keep booze all over the house, right?

00:52:25.600 Because your husband is a spendthrift, and I don't know how he's spending money.

00:52:29.580 Maybe he's a gambler.

00:52:30.600 Maybe I don't know what it is.

00:52:31.480 But however he's doing it, that's his problem.

00:52:34.000 And so you don't want to leave credit cards all over the house either.

00:52:37.460 He has this problem.

00:52:38.280 He recognizes that he has this problem.

00:52:39.720 Which means that he has to, for the good of your marriage, if I were him, what I would do is delegate to you the financial management of the household.

00:52:50.520 I actually do that to my wife already because I don't really know how to manage a household whatsoever. 1.00

00:52:54.160 But I would delegate that to my wife.

00:52:57.400 And I would limit even the amount of credit that I could run up.

00:53:01.140 I would call the credit card company.

00:53:02.700 I would say, lower my credit limit.

00:53:05.220 I would call, I would give up my debit card.

00:53:07.700 I would not, it can feel infantilizing.

00:53:13.180 It can feel shameful.

00:53:15.060 But there's no shame in that.

00:53:16.820 If you're a booze hound, there's no shame in keeping booze out of your house.

00:53:19.920 You know, you don't want to put yourself in the near occasion of sin.

00:53:22.960 You don't want to put yourself that close to temptation because you know your own weaknesses.

00:53:25.860 That's actually very manly.

00:53:27.080 That's very reasonable to do.

00:53:29.040 And in this case, his weakness is money.

00:53:30.820 So he's got to be kept away from the money.

00:53:33.220 He's got to keep himself away from the money.

00:53:34.780 He's got to put limits on it.

00:53:35.540 If you're addicted to porn, we were talking about porn earlier.

00:53:37.700 Then you've got to put software on your computer to stop you from going to the porn websites.

00:53:43.880 If you're addicted to womanizing, then you've got to not, you know, not go to the club or wherever you meet women.

00:53:51.100 You've got to know your limits and you've got to keep yourself away from temptation in order to even have the possibility to build up habits of virtue so that at some point he can be trusted again.

00:54:03.180 But otherwise, if you don't do that, if his pride, if his selfish pride will keep him from doing that, your likelihood of being divorced, even if you're a practicing Catholic and a devout Catholic, is significantly higher than it should be.

00:54:17.340 Got to know your limits.

00:54:18.960 Okay, the rest of the show continues now.

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The Michael Knowles Show - December 08, 2023

Ep. 1387 - Taylor Swift Deserves To Be Person of the Year

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