The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1395 - Pro-Life Woman Burns Down Abortion Clinic

00:00:00.000 A federal judge has just ordered a woman to pay $298,000 for burning down Wyoming's only

00:00:07.200 full-service abortion clinic. According to NBC News, quote, Lorna Green is already serving 0.98

00:00:15.500 five years in prison for burning Wellspring Health Access weeks before the clinic was set to open in

00:00:22.680 2022. But hold on. Can one really call it an abortion clinic if it hadn't opened yet?

00:00:32.660 Shouldn't the stage of development at which this woman aborted the building determine whether or 0.98

00:00:38.860 not her actions constitute a crime? I'm not saying the building could not one day have become an

00:00:46.060 abortion clinic. It could have. It was maybe a potential abortion clinic. But when she burned 1.00

00:00:52.840 it down, it was not an abortion clinic. It was just a clump of bricks. And five years in prison

00:01:00.200 seems pretty steep for damaging a clump of bricks. There are criminals in this country,

00:01:06.740 many criminals actually, who don't even face five years in the can for murder.

00:01:12.860 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:16.060 Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Good to be back. I can already hear it.

00:01:38.320 Some people are going to criticize my analogy. I'm sure Media Matters is already writing up the hit

00:01:44.920 piece, all the left wing outlets. They're already writing it up. They're going to say that my analogy

00:01:50.840 does not hold because when a woman has an abortion, she makes the choice to end the life of her own 0.88

00:01:58.500 child, which they say is her right. Whereas the woman who burned down the potential abortion clinic, 1.00

00:02:05.260 she burned down someone else's property over which she has no rights. I hear it. I know that this is

00:02:12.320 going to be the rejoinder. But then the logical follow-up to that would be, are people property?

00:02:19.240 Can people ever be someone else's property? Democrats say yes. They've said yes to that

00:02:25.560 question a number of times throughout history, but they're wrong. No surprise there. Breaking news.

00:02:32.120 The libs are wrong. Not exactly stop the presses kind of news. There's a lot going on. A lot going on

00:02:38.340 in this week that I've been off. I tell you, I love being off for a week because I get to see my

00:02:43.100 beautiful family. I get to play with my cute little kids. I like that. And I know it's good to do that

00:02:48.440 every now and again, but it kills me. It pains me not to do this show. I would have come in and done

00:02:56.000 this show a little bit last week. Maybe not every single day, but I would have done a little work

00:03:01.060 last week. But out of deference to our beautiful Daily Wire staff, we didn't. We were down for a

00:03:06.800 week. And that means that a lot of stuff happened during the week. Maine kicked Donald Trump off the

00:03:11.560 ballot. We'll get to that in a second. A whole lot of stuff happened, some of which was surprising,

00:03:16.960 some of which was unsurprising. Probably the least surprising news to have happened over the last week

00:03:23.040 or week and a half is that on New Year's Eve, Green Day, do you remember Green Day? They were really

00:03:29.420 popular in 2002, and we haven't heard very much from them since, but they're back. Green Day performed

00:03:36.920 a version of the only song of theirs that anyone has ever heard of, which is called American Idiot.

00:03:41.780 But in their new version, they swap out some words to make it an attack on those MAGA Americans.

00:03:49.780 You hear it? They said MAGA agenda. And I guess it works because people are talking about Green Day for the

00:04:17.200 first time in over 20 years. Some people are surprised by this change, in part because punk rock

00:04:23.840 has sometimes had a right-wing flavor to it. Wasn't one of the Ramones a big right-wing Republican? And so

00:04:30.680 there's been a—it's unlike all of the rest of popular music outside of country, say. It's not totally

00:04:37.840 left-wing, but Green Day has always been super left-wing. There's no big change here with Green Day.

00:04:42.340 The original lyrics to American Idiot in that line that you just heard where they changed some of the

00:04:48.880 words was, quote, well, maybe I'm the f*** America. I'm not part of a redneck agenda. Now everybody do the 0.70

00:04:55.760 propaganda and sing along to the age of paranoia. And they just swapped out redneck for MAGA, which 0.98

00:05:03.340 every single lib in America identifies as a synonym of redneck anyway. And don't want to be an American 0.78

00:05:11.360 idiot, one nation controlled by the media, information age of hysteria. It's calling out

00:05:15.720 to idiot America. Okay, so Green Day hasn't changed. They're still attacking Republicans. They're still

00:05:20.900 attacking right-wingers. They're still attacking the most recent Republican president. But something has

00:05:27.780 changed. This is much more ridiculous in 2023 than it was in 2003. Why is that? Well, because

00:05:35.740 in 2002, 2003, Green Day could be, could pretend to be part of the opposition. They could pretend to be

00:05:45.320 dissidents. You know, George W. Bush is out here with his redneck coalition of voters that's going to go 0.95

00:05:53.160 out and police the whole world. And George Bush controls the media. That was always ridiculous. But

00:05:59.520 they say, you know, Fox News and, and the, actually even the New York Times, even the rest of the media

00:06:06.140 did support Bush in the Iraq war. They didn't support Bush most of the time, but in the run-up to the

00:06:10.960 Iraq war, the entire media were pretty much on board with that. So they had a claim in 2002, 2003.

00:06:17.580 But what about today? Does anybody really believe one nation controlled by the media refers to the

00:06:25.840 right-wing media? Are you kidding me? The right-wing media have been banned. There's one social media

00:06:32.120 platform where the right-wing media are not heavily suppressed, and that would be Twitter.

00:06:39.720 Information age of hysteria. Information age of, where's the hysteria? Is the hysteria on the right?

00:06:47.180 Where we're saying, hey guys, can maybe, can you not let Husky Hank go into the girls changing room at the

00:06:53.020 public pool with my daughter? Hey, would you mind, can we, can we acknowledge that boys and girls are

00:06:57.840 different and nations have borders and can everyone be normal? Or is the hysteria on the left, where

00:07:02.800 they're screeching and screaming that Donald Trump is Hitler 2.0, and that's why we've got to kick him

00:07:06.540 off all the ballots. And the only way to save democracy is to stop the most popular candidate in

00:07:11.040 the race from, from appearing on ballots. Who's hysterical? It's calling out to idiot America,

00:07:18.080 idiot America. Okay, some Americans don't know the difference between boys and girls. Okay, now I don't

00:07:24.920 like to call anybody an idiot. I understand there's a lot of confusion in this fallen world. But if

00:07:29.800 you're going to call someone an idiot, if you're going to call one ideology in America an idiot

00:07:34.740 ideology, which ideology is it going to be? The ideology that says, hey, be normal, or the ideology that says

00:07:41.220 men actually can be women. Green Day hasn't changed at all. Too bad that they haven't. Had they changed, 0.62

00:07:48.780 they would appear much less ridiculous today. What has changed is the political order of the country.

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00:08:53.500 first preferred order, plus a free bottle of fiber and spice. Now, I haven't even touched on the biggest

00:09:02.400 controversy of this week off that we had. It was all anyone could talk about. It is much more

00:09:09.480 important than any wars going on overseas, much more important than the migrant invasion going on 0.99

00:09:14.340 within our borders, much more important than the 2024 election. I, of course, refer to the bikini

00:09:20.860 calendar. If you have not heard about this, that means you are not on Twitter during or X now between

00:09:28.720 Christmas and New Year. The calendar is put out by, uh, the guy who has the ultra right beer company,

00:09:36.780 Seth Weathers, and his brand is America, uh, conservative dads. And the, the calendar is

00:09:42.500 conservative dads, real women of America, 2024 calendar. And it features a bunch of pretty right 1.00

00:09:47.740 wing gals. Uh, some of whom perhaps have appeared on this show and who I'm friends with actually.

00:09:53.160 Uh, but you know, the one on the cover is Riley Gaines and a number of other women are, are in 1.00

00:09:59.580 the calendar. I don't want to knock the calendar too much because as I've mentioned, I'm friends with

00:10:05.580 a number of the people involved. I think the big reason why this became a controversy is because

00:10:10.440 it was a very quiet news week. Christmas is going on. New Year's is going on. People didn't have that

00:10:15.580 much to bicker about. So, uh, people bickered about this in part. I assume it was a marketing strategy

00:10:21.580 to sell more calendars. And I assumed it worked very well because everybody was talking about it

00:10:25.320 for a while. The only reason I bring up the calendar, the only thing about it that I think

00:10:31.180 is politically significant is that I think the controversy beyond all those other causes I just

00:10:37.440 mentioned stems from a conflict, a festering conflict that has gone on for a very, very long

00:10:43.600 time, but it's really coming to the surface now between two kinds of conservatism, boomer

00:10:51.280 conservatism and zoomer conservatism. Two kinds of conservatism, the conservatism of 15 years ago,

00:10:59.200 just, yeah, man, do whatever you want. Just don't make me pay for it. Let's shrink the government.

00:11:02.740 Let's not pay any taxes. Freedom. There's that kind of conservatism. And there's the younger

00:11:08.600 zoomer conservatism, which is, Hey, can we please have a normal society? Can we maybe 0.88

00:11:14.180 recall some of the virtues? Can we have order? Can we have normality? Can we, can, can we have a nice

00:11:24.520 flourishing country in which to live that has standards and norms? Those are very different

00:11:29.200 types of conservatism. Okay. I think, you know, where my sympathies lie in this kind of battle,

00:11:33.980 but that's what this battle is. It really has nothing to do. It has very little to do with the

00:11:41.040 pretty ladies who are posing in the calendar. It has a little bit to do with the fact that the brand 0.94

00:11:45.520 happens to be conservative dad. So even if you're fine with pretty girls in a calendar, you know,

00:11:51.360 the fact that it's being marketed by and perhaps two fathers who should be married with women who are

00:11:58.120 married and that kind of creates a little bit of an issue with it too. Wouldn't, wouldn't necessarily 1.00

00:12:02.340 recommend that, but below all of that, the deeper issue going on is a battle between Russell Kirk

00:12:09.060 and Ayn Rand, who has the soul of the conservative movement. Is conservatism about conserving a way of

00:12:16.700 life and order and norms and a moral sense and maybe a, a Christian religious tradition or is

00:12:28.880 conservatism just about freedom, do whatever you're not even, again, not my view of freedom,

00:12:32.800 but freedom, like, you know, just go do whatever you want. Don't tell me what to do, man. Get out

00:12:37.820 of here. Authority, right? What is it? Russell Kirk or Ayn Rand? Is it Pat Buchanan or is it George H.W.

00:12:45.520 Bush? We had this debate in 1992. What is it? Is it the conservatism of normality, a way of life,

00:12:52.180 a whole political order, or is it let's get that GDP up again? Is, is it the conservatism of order

00:13:00.000 and virtue? Is it the conservatism of choice and licentiousness? That's, that's the battle. And

00:13:05.200 probably the calendar's defenders would say, oh, Michael, you're making a big deal out of it. I'm

00:13:10.480 not, I'm not denying that this issue was overblown. It was overblown because people were bored over

00:13:15.960 Christmas, no doubt. But that political conflict that the calendar represents, that is very real and that

00:13:21.840 is not overblown. That's, that's a conflict that has been simmering in the so-called conservative

00:13:25.980 movement going back to World War II, okay? Going back to the founding of what is called capital C,

00:13:31.520 capital M, conservative movement, trademark over the T, that's been boiling for a long time. Which

00:13:37.400 is it going to be? Brent Bozell had this argument in the pages of National Review back when National

00:13:42.720 Review was the house organ of the conservative movement. It said freedom or virtue. What is, what does

00:13:49.080 freedom even mean, right? That's what's going on here. Which side is winning? Well, the dominant

00:13:55.200 side remains the boomer side because the boomers still wield most of the political power. But the 0.94

00:13:59.560 ascendant side is the zoomer side. The ascendant side is order and virtue, which is fine by me.

00:14:04.400 Fine by me. Now, we might need, not, not need to worry about what the future of the conservative

00:14:09.860 movement holds because conservatives might not hold any political power. If we hold any now, we might

00:14:15.100 not hold it for very long. Anyway, because Maine has become the second state to kick Donald Trump

00:14:21.420 off the ballot in the 2024 primary. Now, you remember a couple weeks ago, Colorado kicks Trump

00:14:29.340 off the ballot. The way Colorado did that was in a very contentious decision, 4-3 decision by the

00:14:35.780 Colorado Supreme Court that said that Trump is a terrible insurrectionist. And that's why they're

00:14:41.760 going to invoke some never used in this way precedent of the, or non-precedent, I guess,

00:14:50.200 never used in this way provision of the 14th Amendment, which was really just a Civil War era

00:14:55.520 provision to stop Confederate generals from taking over the country. Well, they're going to use it to

00:15:00.020 kick Trump off the ballot. Okay. Now, Maine is going even further. It's not the Maine Supreme Court.

00:15:06.540 It's not a group of robed lawyers who are seriously considering the law and bringing their legal

00:15:17.160 scholarship to bear. It's just some Democrat politician, some total kook whose name is 0.97

00:15:23.060 Shanna Bellows. She's the Maine Democrat Secretary of State. She is seen in photographs, buddy-buddy with

00:15:32.020 Joe Biden. She visited the White House in March. She visited the White House in June, according to

00:15:37.380 visitor logs. She says that the electoral college, that is to say, the way we do elections in America

00:15:43.820 is a relic of white supremacy. Okay. She's a nut. And she has come out and single-handedly kicked 1.00

00:15:51.220 Donald Trump off the ballot, which is even worse than it sounds. Because if you're a Republican,

00:15:57.260 maybe you don't like Donald Trump. But still, you would have to say, well, look, Donald Trump is

00:16:02.460 the most popular candidate in the Republican Party. So now you've got a Democrat politician

00:16:08.520 single-handedly kicking off the presumptive nominee of one of the two major political parties in the

00:16:17.200 United States. That's crazy. But it's even worse than that. Because Donald Trump is not just the most

00:16:21.820 popular Republican candidate. He is the most popular presidential candidate in the country

00:16:28.020 by pretty much any measure. So if you look at the RealClearPolitics average of polls,

00:16:34.980 RCP is very good. I cite them a lot because they don't just look at one poll or this poll,

00:16:38.880 and this one's an outlier, and maybe this one's not reliable. They look at all the polls,

00:16:43.060 and they weight them according to their reliability. And so you get a much sturdier number here from RCP.

00:16:48.500 And according to RCP, head-to-head, Trump over Biden, Trump wins by 2.4 points right now.

00:16:56.820 Now, it might not just be Trump and Biden. Don't forget, Bobby Kennedy Jr. might be running,

00:17:01.220 right? Okay, what happens if it's Trump versus Biden versus Bobby Kennedy Jr.? Trump wins by one point.

00:17:07.940 Beats both of those guys. Okay, it might not just be Bobby Kennedy Jr. What if it's

00:17:13.100 Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate? What if it's Cornel West, who is a radical leftist professor

00:17:21.460 from Princeton? I think he was at Harvard for a while. He's a leftist who kind of pulls support

00:17:27.840 from Joe Biden, and it's Biden and it's Trump. What happens in that case? Trump wins by five points.

00:17:32.100 Donald Trump is the most popular presidential candidate in the United States by any measure.

00:17:44.680 If a random Democrat politician can single-handedly take him off the ballot in a state

00:17:51.740 in the name of defending democracy, then what does democracy mean? In that case, it doesn't mean

00:18:03.180 anything. Democracy is government by the people. If the people are not permitted to cast their ballot

00:18:11.580 for the most popular guy, then there's no democracy anymore.

00:18:16.660 Now, Trump remains the top dog in the race. There was a change over the break, though,

00:18:23.720 and the change is that there is a number two dog in the race who we haven't seen before,

00:18:30.320 and that would be Nikki Haley. Ron DeSantis has been the number two guy in the Republican race

00:18:37.040 for all of 2023, and he is still the number two guy. He's just the number two guy that's tied with the

00:18:45.080 number two lady who is Nikki Haley. Now, people are shocked by this because people have very strong 0.87

00:18:52.140 feelings about Nikki Haley. People who are a little bit more centrist, they really like Nikki Haley.

00:18:58.620 A lot of the Republican consultants really like Nikki Haley. They think that she's got the best chance

00:19:03.360 to beat Joe Biden because she appeals to a broader array of people. Conservatives often do not like

00:19:09.320 Nikki Haley. They find her to be a bit establishment, a bit Bush-era kind of Republican. 0.91

00:19:14.620 A little eager to go invade foreign countries, and so they don't like her. And some of the

00:19:19.420 criticism from the conservative side of the Republican Party has been intense at Nikki Haley.

00:19:25.460 But when Nikki announced that she was running in this race, you know, I hate to say I told you so,

00:19:31.020 I believe I pointed out that one should not count out Nikki Haley. Everyone was making fun of her.

00:19:37.800 She's going nowhere. She has no constituency. Her views are outdated, blah, blah, blah, all this 0.99

00:19:43.340 stuff. I said, you guys don't know what you're talking about. Nikki Haley is a very, very talented

00:19:48.760 politician. She managed. Think about this. She is one of, if not the only politician in America who has 0.99

00:19:56.700 huge establishment credit credit cred, who has major cred among the Bush wing of the Republican Party,

00:20:04.180 who did very, very well under Trump. She served under Trump. She was Trump's face at the United

00:20:10.340 Nations. She was very popular in that role. When she left the White House, Trump basically gave her 0.87

00:20:15.960 a ticker tape parade, okay? He had that big press conference sitting with her. Nikki's done a great job.

00:20:20.780 We really like her. Then she turned on Trump. Then she turned back and supported Trump. Then she

00:20:26.280 kind of turned on Trump again, running against him. And still Trump is saying nice things about her.

00:20:29.960 Nikki is very good at politics. So it is no surprise to me that entering into 2024, she is now a number

00:20:38.440 two candidate in the race. What we will wait for this week and next week is, can Nikki kick DeSantis to 1.00

00:20:45.180 number three? Right now they're tied. Can she kick him to number three? I would not be surprised.

00:20:50.560 As I said, you know, I hate to say I told you so, but as I said for a year, DeSantis is great. He's

00:20:55.500 really great. He's a great governor. He's terrific. I really admire the guy. He's fabulous. But part of

00:21:00.740 the things that are really likable about him to someone like me are going to make him unpopular

00:21:05.720 as a candidate because he's a little too Trumpy to attract the establishment centrist folks, but he's

00:21:12.760 not Trumpy enough. He's not Trump. So he's not going to pull enough of the Trump voters, which means

00:21:18.460 that while he looks like maybe he's the best candidate in the race, he's also a man without

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00:22:40.800 Now, things are looking good for Nikki Haley. She did get in a little bit of trouble over 0.90

00:22:45.020 the break. She was asked a question on the civil war, of all things, on the campaign trail,

00:22:49.460 and she was criticized for her answer.

00:22:53.400 What was the cause of the United States civil war?

00:22:56.640 Well, don't come with an easy question or anything. I mean, I think the cause of the

00:23:05.520 civil war was basically how government was going to run, the freedoms and what people

00:23:09.960 could and couldn't do. What do you think the cause of the civil war was?

00:23:14.260 I'm sorry. I'm not running for president. I wanted to see Europe's a good thing on the

00:23:24.040 cause of the civil war.

00:23:26.620 I mean, I think it always comes down to the role of government. We need to have capitalism.

00:23:30.700 We need to have economic freedom. We need to make sure that we do all things so that

00:23:34.800 individuals have the liberties so that they can have freedom of speech, freedom of religion,

00:23:39.140 freedom to do or be anything they want to be without government getting in the way.

00:23:42.900 Thank you. And in the year 2023, it's astonishing to me that you answer that question without

00:23:48.720 mentioning the word slavery.

00:23:52.020 What do you want me to say about slavery?

00:23:54.280 No, you've answered my question. Thank you.

00:23:58.640 Next question.

00:24:01.420 Obviously, this questioner here is trying to trip up Nikki Haley. I don't know if it's a

00:24:05.620 Democrat plant. Probably it is. It could be a plant from one of the other Republican campaigns.

00:24:11.040 Or I guess it could be just a person who doesn't like Nikki Haley very much for personal reasons.

00:24:17.340 But what's astonishing about the question and the answer is it's not the question and it's not the

00:24:26.220 answer. It's the apparent belief on the part of the questioner and maybe on the part of Nikki Haley

00:24:32.260 that slavery is a wedge issue in the Republican Party. That's what this is about. The questioner

00:24:38.420 asks the question because he thinks that any way Nikki Haley answers is going to alienate some of

00:24:44.360 her voters. If she says that the Civil War is about states' rights, then she's going to alienate 1.00

00:24:50.600 voters who are anti-slavery. You know that the anti-slavery faction of the Republican Party.

00:24:57.620 But that if she says that the Civil War was about slavery, she's going to alienate that huge pro-slavery

00:25:05.400 portion of the Republican Party. And so, ha-ha, we've got a great wedge issue here. Not surprised

00:25:10.660 that Democrats think that. They think all sorts of nasty things about Republicans that aren't true.

00:25:16.540 Nikki appears to think that there's some portion of Republicans who don't want to hear about

00:25:24.740 slavery. Now, I actually think that her answer was almost fine. Everyone was saying it's catastrophic.

00:25:31.580 It's the end of her career. It's the worst answer. I think the answer was basically fine because the

00:25:37.000 true answer to what was the Civil War about is, yeah, it was about all those things. It was about

00:25:43.520 the political power of the South in the federal government. Abraham Lincoln was able to win the

00:25:50.960 presidency without the South, meaning the South no longer had much of a say at all in the federal

00:25:57.140 government, which might be reason enough, if you think of the South as a distinct political entity,

00:26:02.880 totally distinct from the North, might be reason enough to impel you to secede. And also, what was

00:26:08.400 the hottest issue of the time that had taken over the country that had dictated so much of the politics

00:26:13.240 of westward expansion? It was slavery, no question about that. So yeah, it was both of those things. 0.94

00:26:20.240 And furthermore, I don't think that there are very many pro-slavery Republicans. I don't think there

00:26:25.040 are any, actually. I think, as we mentioned at the top of this show, that there are many Democrats

00:26:31.860 who support the logic of slavery, the premises of slavery, the notion that you can own another person.

00:26:38.920 You see the Democrats, I'm not even just making some point about Democrats or the true racists,

00:26:42.320 or it was the Democrats who owned all the slaves, or kind of talking points we've heard in the past.

00:26:46.120 I'm making a point about the politics of today. Democrats today are arguing that if you have a

00:26:52.260 child, that you have full property rights over that child, and you can kill that child if you want,

00:26:56.620 if it's convenient for you. That's what I'm saying. That's the logic of abortion. 0.57

00:27:01.060 Or even more than that, it's the logic of IVF and surrogacy. The notion that if you have a child,

00:27:07.560 or you even have the potential to make a child, that you have total property rights,

00:27:12.100 then you can order your child out of a catalog.

00:27:16.080 And if you don't like the way the child comes out, then you can order the child to be killed

00:27:19.580 in the womb of your surrogate, who you also paid for. We've seen stories about that. I gave a long 0.98

00:27:24.900 speech about that just about a month ago. You can catch that on the YAF YouTube channel.

00:27:29.360 So I'm saying that the logic of today, the policies argued today by the parties,

00:27:36.340 if in any way it touches on the logic of slavery, it's coming from the Democrats,

00:27:41.420 not the Republicans. And it's silly that this Democrat questioner, this anti-Haley questioner

00:27:48.720 thought it was a Republican thing. But it should be a wake-up call to the Haley campaign 0.98

00:27:52.340 that Nikki stumbled on the question too. I think you could say both of those things and move on.

00:27:58.740 And she did move on. That was very smart of her. I don't think it's really going to hurt her.

00:28:01.820 There are way worse gaffes on a campaign trail than this. But I don't think,

00:28:11.300 I think if you fall into the error of believing there's a big pro-slavery portion of the Republican

00:28:16.500 Party, it's because you've just believed the Democrat propaganda that has been crammed down our

00:28:21.640 throats for the past 50 years. Now, another smart thing the Haley campaign is doing,

00:28:27.700 she's promising to pardon Trump if Trump is convicted of crimes. So Haley came out, she said,

00:28:32.780 a leader needs to think about what is in the best interests of the country.

00:28:36.920 What is in the best interest of the country is not to have an 80-year-old man sitting in jail that

00:28:41.080 continues to divide our country. What is in the best interest of our country is to pardon him so that

00:28:44.740 we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him. So she's still got a properly,

00:28:51.640 anti-Trump tone to this. She's running against him. She's got to be opposing him.

00:28:58.900 But the substance of what she's saying is, yeah, I'll pardon him, as well she should,

00:29:03.940 as all of the Republican candidates should promise to do. The only reason that the Democrats are going

00:29:09.520 after this guy is because he was an effective conservative. He's the most effective conservative

00:29:14.060 president of our lifetimes. Even if you hate his guts and his tweets and his face and his demeanor

00:29:19.720 and everything about him, you have to admit that, I think. The guy got Roe v. Wade overruled.

00:29:24.140 He is the first Republican president, maybe ever, first Republican president in probably about 100

00:29:31.500 years to make mass migration a major political issue and do anything to try to stem the tide of

00:29:38.580 that. He's the first Republican politician in well over quarter, no, over probably half a century now

00:29:45.200 to focus on America's national interest in explicit terms against globalism and global liberalism,

00:29:54.600 liberal empire. He was pretty good. He had some flaws, but he was pretty good. And the only reason

00:30:00.820 the libs are going after him is not because he led an insurrection or whatever. The liberals have led

00:30:04.280 many more serious insurrections on the Capitol that have actually killed people, not just their own

00:30:10.060 supporters, killed members of Congress, killed all sorts of people, blown up parts of the Capitol,

00:30:14.620 many, many times over the years. We never heard insurrection then. Donald Trump disputed the

00:30:19.980 results of an election that was obviously rigged. Democrats have been denying the results of

00:30:26.140 elections, of most elections that they lose at the national level and of state national prominence

00:30:32.980 for a long time. The 2000 election, the Stacey Abrams non-election in Georgia, a lot of them,

00:30:40.300 even the 2004 election, Bush versus Kerry. The only reason they're going after him is because he's an

00:30:45.200 effective conservative. I want to hear every Republican candidate saying, yes, of course we'll

00:30:49.320 pardon Trump. If I don't hear that, I understand you're running against Trump. You don't like the

00:30:53.580 guy. You want to knock him down. But if I don't hear that, then it makes me think you're on the

00:30:58.260 other team. If I hear, well, you know, if the Democrats discover that Donald Trump actually did

00:31:03.620 commit a crime, that makes me think, all right, you're a, you're a lib, you know, you're a Democrat 0.64

00:31:08.660 shill. If you can't acknowledge the injustice of what they're doing to Trump while still effectively

00:31:14.620 running against him, then you're not, you're not it, man. And you're not it. Now, does this mean

00:31:22.000 that Nikki Haley is cozying up to Donald Trump a little bit here? Maybe, maybe. And Trump says some

00:31:28.400 nice things about Haley too. Does this mean that Haley's strategy is get stronger, stronger, 1.00

00:31:35.100 stronger, displace DeSantis as the number two candidate, vanquish Vivek? I guess Chris Christie

00:31:40.620 is still running, but forget about Chris Christie. He'll, he'll endorse Nikki Haley and then try to

00:31:45.160 have a unity ticket, like a Reagan Bush 1980 sort of ticket, Trump Haley. Then the question that comes

00:31:50.440 from that is, will the Trump supporters tolerate a Nikki Haley VP pick? That I don't know.

00:31:58.400 Because, fairly or unfairly, the perceived political vision of Trump and Haley is quite

00:32:05.940 different. The way that their supporters perceive their candidacies, very different. On the Trump

00:32:14.240 side of things, it's people like Tucker, okay? It's people who want fewer foreign entanglements,

00:32:19.740 who want a more intense focus on the American nation, who don't want to just give money to

00:32:26.940 Chamber of Commerce like candidates to focus on economics above all. The Haley candidates tend to

00:32:33.360 be a little bit more centrist. They tend to be a little bit more Wall Street donor types. They tend

00:32:37.540 to be a little happier with foreign entanglements, especially in the Middle East. Are Trump voters

00:32:43.980 going to tolerate a Haley VP? That remains to be seen. Speaking of foreign entanglements, 1.00

00:32:48.840 a good report out of Politico over the week. It's good. It's a good report, but it's frustrating.

00:32:57.240 The report is that the Biden administration is subtly, quietly shifting strategy on Ukraine.

00:33:06.000 This from Politico. For two years, Biden and Zelensky have been focused on driving Russia from Ukraine.

00:33:10.380 Now, Washington is discussing a move to a more defensive posture. Quote,

00:33:17.300 with U.S. and European aid to Ukraine now in serious jeopardy, the Biden administration and

00:33:21.660 European officials are quietly shifting their focus from supporting Ukraine's goal of total

00:33:25.020 victory over Russia to improving its position in an eventual negotiation to end the war.

00:33:30.040 According to a Biden administration official and European diplomat based in Washington,

00:33:34.920 such a negotiation would likely mean giving up parts of Ukraine to Russia. Here we go.

00:33:38.120 And the way you know that this isn't just some random leak coming out of the White House or a bunch

00:33:43.700 of smoke being blown is that you're seeing the same kind of language being echoed in the other

00:33:49.920 state media organs. New York Times, headline. This is in an opinion piece, headline. Ukraine doesn't need 0.64

00:33:57.360 all its territory to defeat Putin. And who wrote this op-ed? This was Serge Shmiman,

00:34:04.860 who is a member of the New York Times editorial board. Ukraine doesn't need all of its territory 0.94

00:34:10.320 to defeat Putin, who invaded. And this whole war is about Ukraine's territory. But it's not,

00:34:15.780 you don't need all the territory. That's a pretty big change. That's a pretty big change because some

00:34:20.860 of us have argued this point from day one. And for that, we were called Putin stooges and we were

00:34:29.380 called useful idiots and we were called all sorts of nasty things. Anti-American, undemocratic,

00:34:37.040 you support fascist dictators. And oh, hold on now. Now that opinion for which we were all pilloried

00:34:43.360 as Putin idiot stooges, non-patriots, that is now the opinion of both major political parties in the

00:34:51.540 United States. Why? Because what's the alternative? Ukraine is not going to beat Russia. That can't

00:34:59.580 happen. On its own, the war would have been over in 24 hours. But because the US was actually fighting

00:35:08.580 Russia here through this proxy of Ukraine, because we were funding the whole war, because we were 0.78

00:35:12.320 sending all the arms and maybe some people to help fight the war, it has dragged on now for quite a while.

00:35:18.440 But it was never going to be enough unless the United States got directly involved. So that

00:35:24.480 means that the other alternative would be a world war. We avoided it for the entirety of the Cold

00:35:30.420 War, but now we're going to decide that the US as the superpower in the world, China's rising, 0.98

00:35:38.620 but we remain the global hegemon. We're going to go in and engage in a direct war with a nuclear 0.67

00:35:44.620 former superpower in Russia. And we're going to do this over the territorial integrity of Ukraine,

00:35:51.540 the territory of which has changed about a bazillion times over the last thousand years,

00:35:55.600 which is roughly how long this conflict has gone on. Does that make a lot of sense? That didn't

00:35:59.420 make sense to me. So what happened? We are now totally vindicated, those of us who said that this was

00:36:07.680 a bad war that was egged on by the US and by NATO. I'm not the only one to say it. Henry Kissinger said

00:36:14.820 it. Sam Nunn said it. George Kennan implied it, the author of the long telegram, the architect of

00:36:19.020 American Cold War policy. Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it. A lot of very serious American statement

00:36:23.700 have said this for a very long time. And we were completely right. You know how much it pains me to

00:36:29.240 say it. We were totally right. And now we are exactly where we were at the very outbreak of this

00:36:34.980 war, except that now, because the Democrats and the establishment Republican types got their way,

00:36:40.980 at least 30,000 Ukrainians have been killed. So at least we got that. We got no strategic 1.00

00:36:45.660 advantage whatsoever. We got no difference to the way the war is going to end. But hey, at the very

00:36:50.640 least, tens of thousands of Ukrainians are dead. That's it. And these are the geniuses, by the way.

00:36:55.320 These are the grand strategists. These are the guys who say the adults have got to be back in

00:37:00.560 charge. We can't let those unwashed, crazy populists, those right-wingers take over. 1.00

00:37:06.140 Okay, well, had the right-wingers been running the show, had those crazy, awful, nationalist,

00:37:13.100 populist types been running the show, show me how we would have been any worse off. I don't really see

00:37:19.900 it. My favorite comment, this would have been what, a week ago now, more than a week ago,

00:37:24.940 is from Heaton James 2545, who says, oh, wow, man, talk about providential. The comment actually

00:37:31.580 ties in exactly with what I just said. All nature is but art unknown to thee. Comment is, isn't

00:37:36.580 everyone glad that the adults are back in charge? It just warms my heart that Caligula Biden is

00:37:41.540 running the show. Yes, it does, doesn't it? Speaking of grand strategy, big breaking news.

00:37:48.120 Oh, this is good. Court documents naming Jeffrey Epstein's associates to be unsealed.

00:37:57.080 Here's what to know. This is from NBC News, ABC News. All the newses are reporting this,

00:38:04.980 but I got NBC right here. What I love about this headline, they send out the headline,

00:38:09.620 everyone goes crazy. And I had this prediction. Look, it could still be proven wrong. But my

00:38:15.820 prediction before the year ended was, we're not really going to get the Epstein client list.

00:38:22.580 We're not going to find out new people, okay? And then five seconds later, this headline,

00:38:27.640 they're going to unseal the Epstein client list. I said, oh, wow, man, maybe I was totally proven

00:38:32.840 wrong. That was fast. That's the fastest I've ever been proven wrong, huh? But hold on,

00:38:37.880 here's the headline. Court documents naming Jeffrey Epstein's associates to be unsealed.

00:38:40.760 What to know? Subheader, former President Clinton, Prince Andrew, and others are expected to be

00:38:48.140 named. Hold on. We know that Bill Clinton was an Epstein associate. We've known that for the

00:38:58.660 better part of 10 years, okay? We've seen his name on the flight logs. We've seen pictures of Bill

00:39:05.620 Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein. We know that Bill Clinton flew all around the world with Jeffrey

00:39:12.400 Epstein on the Lolita Express. When he wasn't flying with Epstein, it's because he was borrowing

00:39:20.240 his plane. I don't need to find out that Bill Clinton is an Epstein associate. Prince Andrew?

00:39:27.160 Prince Andrew lost his job working for his mom because we all know that he hung out with Epstein.

00:39:32.380 We have pictures of Prince Andrew with Jeffrey Epstein. We have court settlements where Prince

00:39:39.280 Andrew has paid Jeffrey Epstein's former young ladies, okay? I don't need to hear about that.

00:39:45.660 I want to hear about the end others. That's what I want to hear about. I don't want the names that

00:39:51.760 we already know. That's called a limited hangout, okay? That is, it's a term that in intelligence

00:39:58.380 circles and crisis communication circles where you're caught. You're up against a wall. They

00:40:05.280 got you dead to rights. You've been lying. You've been lying. You've been denying. You've been denying.

00:40:09.520 And now you say, okay, what are we going to do? I'm going to give them something. And so what you do

00:40:14.820 is you only give a little bit. In this case, you would be giving something that everyone already

00:40:18.500 knows. Yeah, we already know that Bill Clinton hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, did Bill Gates hang

00:40:22.600 out with him too? Yeah, we got pictures of that also. I don't want to hear about those guys. I mean,

00:40:28.840 I'll hear more, I guess, but I want to hear about the guys that I haven't heard about yet. That's the

00:40:33.020 first thing I want. Give us the real Epstein client list, the names we haven't heard. More than that,

00:40:40.840 though, the question that I want to know the answer to with regard to Jeffrey Epstein is,

00:40:46.340 who was he working for? Nothing about Jeffrey Epstein's life really adds up. Very shady past.

00:40:56.580 He's got this business associate slash romantic partner whose father was mobbed up with at least

00:41:02.840 three intelligence agencies around the world. We know he was mobbed up with British intelligence,

00:41:07.340 maybe Russian intelligence, and certainly Israeli intelligence, okay? We know that Jeffrey Epstein

00:41:14.500 was mobbed up with intelligence. We know this from Alex Acosta, who was U.S. attorney prosecuting

00:41:19.220 Jeffrey Epstein in Florida, who then was up for labor secretary under Donald Trump, and reportedly

00:41:25.680 in his interview, when he was asked about the Epstein prosecution, he said, I was told not to really go

00:41:32.520 too hard after Epstein because Epstein, quote, belonged to intelligence. What intelligence? I don't know.

00:41:38.400 Is all of that fake? Is that all just fake news and weird coincidences with Ghislaine Maxwell's father,

00:41:42.480 Robert Maxwell? Maybe, but I want to know. Was Jeffrey Epstein rigging up his properties to record

00:41:52.920 people engaging in weird illegal sex stuff with underage girls just to enrich Jeffrey Epstein?

00:42:01.620 Look, maybe he was just a con artist, a blackmail artist who was shaking down these rich guys to

00:42:05.800 enrich himself. Could be. Was this part of an intelligence operation? If so, which intelligence?

00:42:13.880 Was he working for foreign intelligence? MI6, Israel, Russia? Or was he working for American

00:42:21.560 intelligence? Or was he working for lots of different type of intelligence? But I want to know

00:42:25.140 less about the scintillating little details of who did what with whom,

00:42:30.500 in terms of what was going on in those massage rooms. I want to know who did what with whom

00:42:35.720 with regard to what was this operation for? You know a thing by what it's for. What was this for?

00:42:43.540 What was the Epstein weird sex island and the penthouses and the video cameras? What was that all in

00:42:50.440 service of? Speaking of weird sex stuff, another day, another Republican disappoints you. Ohio Governor

00:42:58.700 Mike DeWine has just vetoed a bill banning boys from girls' sports. Seems like the kind of bill

00:43:08.280 that should be a no-brainer, right? Boys being different from girls should not compete against the 1.00

00:43:14.900 girls in girls' sports, which only exists so that girls have their own places to compete because they

00:43:18.820 can't beat boys. Mike DeWine doesn't seem to get that. He vetoed a bill on December 29th

00:43:24.700 that would protect these kids from the crazy trans stuff. So it would prevent the kids from going 1.00

00:43:31.640 through the modern-day lobotomies of being medically transitioned, which leads to all sorts of health

00:43:38.200 problems, bone problems, early death in some cases, sterility in a lot of cases, and also it would ban

00:43:44.300 the dudes from playing in women's sports. He vetoes it. Now Trump, who had been initially an opponent

00:43:51.140 of DeWine and then endorsed DeWine, he's now turned on DeWine again. And he said,

00:43:57.760 DeWine has fallen to the radical left. No wonder he gets loudly booed in Ohio every time I introduce

00:44:03.620 him at rallies. But I won't be introducing him anymore. I'm finished with this stiff. What was

00:44:07.680 he thinking? The bill would have stopped child mutilation and prevented men from playing in women's 1.00

00:44:11.800 sports. Legislature will hopefully overturn. Do it fast. What was he thinking? DeWine explains his

00:44:18.100 logic. He says, I've also listened to youth and parents, parents who have told me if not for this

00:44:25.980 treatment, their child would be dead. He might be sincere. He might be, I don't know. He might be

00:44:34.380 just a bought and paid for chamber of commerce jerk, but he might be sincere. I'm willing to give

00:44:39.580 him the benefit of the doubt because I know that there are parents out there who have subjected their

00:44:44.340 kids to this stuff. Who aren't just completely insane ideologues who hate their children. I know

00:44:49.740 there are parents out there. I think there are a lot of parents out there who hear this stuff from

00:44:54.200 the teachers, from the guidance counselors, from the doctors. They say, if you don't do this,

00:44:59.400 if you don't sterilize your kid, put your kid on puberty blockers, castrate your kid, pretend that 0.67

00:45:03.920 your kid is the opposite sex when we all know he isn't. If you don't do that, your kid's going to 1.00

00:45:07.720 kill himself. And then would you rather have a living daughter or a dead son? What is it?

00:45:15.760 This guy might have good intentions. The road to hell, you will recall, is paved with good

00:45:20.940 intentions. And what's wrong about this here is the ethical principle that led DeWine to come to

00:45:26.880 this decision, which is an ends justify the means morality. It's consequentialist thinking,

00:45:34.020 to use a more technical term. It's the idea that you make moral decisions based on the outcome that

00:45:39.780 you think is going to occur rather than the goodness of the actions themselves or the virtue

00:45:46.960 and the character of one who would make those decisions. Good judgment, prudence. There is

00:45:52.840 leftist thinking because people, when they try to predict the consequences, they usually get them wrong.

00:45:58.860 And two, because actions are moral or immoral. Characters are good or bad. Okay?

00:46:10.720 You're not going to live a good life by doing lots of bad things. You're not going to have a good

00:46:15.800 country, a good outcome for your country by doing lots of individual really, really bad things.

00:46:21.940 You're not going to flourish individually or politically by lying all the time. You're not going

00:46:28.760 to flourish individually or politically by denying reality. Well, if we just deny the most basic aspects

00:46:34.840 of biological reality, of human reality, then somehow secretly through a magical procedure,

00:46:43.880 we're going to end up with a really good country. I don't think so. I think people who lie to themselves

00:46:48.060 and nations that lie to themselves, they fail. Because reality reasserts itself in the end.

00:46:52.600 The rest of the show continues now. You don't want to miss it. It's Trans Tuesday, actually. 1.00

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The Michael Knowles Show - January 02, 2024

Ep. 1395 - Pro-Life Woman Burns Down Abortion Clinic

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