The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1397 - The New Epstein Documents Explained In 2 Mins

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00:00:37.700 Highly anticipated new court documents in the Jeffrey Epstein case have just been unsealed.

00:00:43.820 And everyone is talking about all the lurid details.

00:00:47.680 Did you know that Epstein's lawyer visited his house on multiple occasions?

00:00:54.240 Did you know that Prince Andrew visited Epstein's Island?

00:01:00.680 Did you know that Bill Clinton, it turns out, has a penchant for young ladies? 0.99

00:01:08.260 Yes, you knew that.

00:01:11.120 You knew all of that.

00:01:12.700 You and I, and everyone broadly, knew about every supposedly new revelation to come out of the unsealed documents.

00:01:21.720 And most likely, that's all we're ever going to know.

00:01:25.900 It's a limited hangout.

00:01:27.940 That's a term of art in espionage and public relations,

00:01:31.320 which makes sense because that is quite clearly what the whole Jeffrey Epstein drama has been about from the beginning.

00:01:37.540 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:38.240 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:39.040 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:59.360 A girl, a child under 16, claims to have been gang raped in the metaverse.

00:02:04.520 This is the first investigation of this kind by prosecutors in the UK.

00:02:09.660 And I think I have a different take than pretty much everybody.

00:02:12.940 But we'll get to that in just a second. 0.94

00:02:14.420 First, before we move on from the shocking Epstein revelations, this is the most ridiculous one. 0.81

00:02:20.280 This is my favorite one of all of them.

00:02:22.680 And this was one of the little special leaks that came out before the court documents were unsealed,

00:02:28.160 just to wet all of our appetite for the shocking revelations that we all already knew.

00:02:34.120 Headline in the Daily Mail,

00:02:35.640 Judge Set to Reveal Disturbing Claims About Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein by Prince Andrew sex accuser Johanna Schoberg.

00:02:45.660 And here's the big shocking new evidence that we were told was going to come out,

00:02:50.060 and then it did come out, and that was supposedly going to blow everybody's minds.

00:02:53.420 Ms. Schoberg has previously claimed that the King's brother put his hand on her breast at the Manhattan home of multimillionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein in 2001.

00:03:05.180 Ms. Schoberg, now a hairdresser, 42 years old, living in Florida,

00:03:09.020 has previously said that Ghislaine Maxwell recruited her to provide massages for Epstein in 2001 while she was in college.

00:03:16.840 Recalling this incident, Ms. Schoberg said in a deposition given under oath,

00:03:21.260 Quote, I remember someone suggesting a photo, and they told us to get on the couch.

00:03:27.240 Virginia, one of the other girls, and Prince Andrews sat on the couch, and they put a puppet on her lap.

00:03:33.380 So I sat on Andrews lap, I believe of my own volition, and they took the puppet's hands and put it on Virginia's breast,

00:03:39.560 and so Andrew put his on mine.

00:03:42.120 She said it was all done in a, quote, joking manner.

00:03:45.020 According to her previous accounts, the prince, while being inappropriately tactile, had not caused offense.

00:03:49.900 Whoa! 0.71

00:03:54.220 Oh, wow, man!

00:03:55.880 So you're saying we got this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, who is cavorting, palling around, buddy buddies with every rich, powerful guy that you could even possibly imagine all over the world.

00:04:08.140 Royalty, heads of state, prime ministers, businessmen. 0.91

00:04:11.620 And he's taking them all to this island full of underage girls, this weird pedo island, and flying them around on his airplane. 0.98

00:04:18.440 And it was all wired for sound, so he's got videotapes of all these guys doing super creepy illegal sex stuff with children. 0.95

00:04:24.900 And the big shocking revelation is that Prince Andrew touched a girl who was of age, who was clearly over 18,

00:04:40.660 while she sat on his lap of her own volition, and it was all done in a joking manner and did not cause offense.

00:04:47.620 It's, wow, cool story, bro.

00:04:54.460 It's nothing.

00:04:55.900 That's nothing.

00:04:56.560 It's not, what is being alleged here is not illegal, obviously.

00:05:01.980 It's not even by today's standards particularly inappropriate.

00:05:05.860 Not saying it's, you know, the way a man ought to behave.

00:05:08.960 But by today's standards?

00:05:11.940 That's almost wholesome.

00:05:14.160 Are you kidding me?

00:05:15.040 That's the, obviously, there is so much more to know about all of the clients.

00:05:20.300 What do we know?

00:05:20.680 We know a handful of Jeffrey Epstein's clients by name, but we know that there were many, many others who were extremely powerful.

00:05:26.700 Who are they?

00:05:27.820 We know that they were doing super creepy things with underage girls.

00:05:31.560 Let's hear about those incidents.

00:05:33.000 We know that there were cameras in all the rooms.

00:05:34.680 Where are the tapes?

00:05:36.740 Oh, we don't get any of that.

00:05:38.600 We just get a slightly embarrassing episode about Prince Andrew that we already knew.

00:05:44.720 Cool.

00:05:45.740 Cool, man.

00:05:46.600 When are we going to get significant information about Jeffrey Epstein?

00:05:50.600 Sounds like probably on the 31st of February, 20, never.

00:05:55.660 That's when we're going to get that information.

00:05:57.120 It's never going to come out.

00:05:58.180 And the only reason they're making a big hubbub about the unsealed documents now is to distract everybody with a limited hangout, which is a term of art in espionage, which is clearly what was going on on Epstein's island and in his townhouse and on all of his properties.

00:06:12.760 And it's a term of art in public relations and crisis communications, which is what's going on here, too.

00:06:17.920 Totally ridiculous.

00:06:19.220 Mike Cernovich put this very well. 0.90

00:06:22.040 His take on Epstein is the same take that I've been advancing for a long time.

00:06:25.900 In fact, what's funny about the timing of all this is right before the new year, I was asked to make my predictions, my Noel Stradamus predictions for the new year.

00:06:34.960 And my final one was, we're not going to get any significant new information on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:06:38.980 We're not going to really find out the client list.

00:06:43.220 We're not going to learn anything.

00:06:44.640 And then the next day, right after I filmed that, headlines, we're going to see all the unsealed Epstein documents. 0.87

00:06:52.260 I said, oh, darn, maybe I was wrong.

00:06:54.420 I said, no, I wasn't wrong. 0.98

00:06:55.660 This is totally fake news.

00:06:56.980 This is going to be a total fake news distraction.

00:07:01.240 And it turns out I was totally right.

00:07:02.480 But what Mike Cernovich said here was that years ago, back in 2017, his lawyer was working on a freedom of the press case.

00:07:12.640 And it was a defamation case.

00:07:14.280 And Epstein wasn't the defendant, but it kind of involved Epstein.

00:07:19.040 So this goes on.

00:07:20.600 They're filing all these cases in court.

00:07:22.540 Cernovich says, hundreds of thousands of dollars later, a trip to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals and a lot of fighting.

00:07:28.920 We had a batch of documents ready to be unsealed.

00:07:31.520 The weekend before the documents were made public, the Southern District of New York arrested Epstein, quietly, when he landed his private jet on an airport from a trip he took in France.

00:07:44.380 No perp walk for Jeffrey Epstein.

00:07:47.560 He goes on to say, the indictment against Epstein does not charge anyone except Epstein.

00:07:51.900 And there's nothing to indicate that anyone who flew to Epstein's private island has faced scrutiny.

00:07:57.120 Because the Southern District of New York charged the lowest level offenses possible, they, quote, lacked jurisdiction to raid Epstein's island in Little St. James, as well as his New Mexico and Paris properties.

00:08:09.740 Those houses were left unattended for a couple of weeks.

00:08:12.680 During that time, a safe went missing.

00:08:14.940 Well, that's kind of weird.

00:08:16.380 How did a safe go missing in Jeffrey Epstein's properties?

00:08:19.900 What would have been in that safe?

00:08:22.340 He had a lot of lurid stuff, a lot of valuable stuff, just sitting out.

00:08:26.520 So whatever was in the safe had to be very, very valuable.

00:08:29.520 We know that the properties were totally wired with cameras and microphones.

00:08:33.020 We know they were recording extremely powerful people doing extremely illegal and embarrassing things.

00:08:39.700 Because we, I think, can deduce that what was in the safe was compromise.

00:08:45.580 During the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, Cernovich points out, it was reported that evidence from Jeffrey Epstein's safe went missing after a raid by the FBI.

00:08:56.040 Hmm.

00:08:57.320 Hmm.

00:08:58.200 Well, then.

00:09:00.060 I don't care who showed up to Epstein's island to do what, really.

00:09:04.500 I care a little bit.

00:09:05.560 It'd be good for people to be brought to justice.

00:09:07.320 The thing that everyone is talking about, I don't really care about.

00:09:12.940 Ooh, did you hear this lawyer showed up and did the, ooh, look, Prince Andrew groped a 21-year-old.

00:09:20.220 Okay.

00:09:20.960 Wow.

00:09:21.560 Stop the presses.

00:09:23.620 The question that interests me is, who was all of this in service of?

00:09:32.280 Where'd all that money come from?

00:09:34.900 Where'd all these properties come from?

00:09:37.680 Why were the properties wired for sound?

00:09:40.740 Why were there cameras everywhere?

00:09:43.880 What was in that safe?

00:09:47.580 Who has the contents of the safe now?

00:09:52.120 Who was the contents of the safe made for?

00:09:56.820 That's what I want to know.

00:09:59.300 We know that Ghislaine Maxwell's father was a spy.

00:10:01.740 We know that he was mobbed up with Israeli intelligence, Russian intelligence, and British intelligence.

00:10:07.680 We know, we already knew that Jeffrey Epstein had a relation to American intelligence.

00:10:14.220 We know this because Alex Acosta, who was the U.S. attorney prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein back in Florida, while he was being interviewed to be Trump's labor secretary, said that in order to explain why he put the kid gloves on for Jeffrey Epstein, he said, oh, I was told from up above that Jeffrey Epstein belonged to intelligence.

00:10:34.260 So now I think we got pretty good reason to believe that he had a relationship with American intelligence because his safe went missing when the FBI raided the house.

00:10:43.880 Okay, what was this thing?

00:10:48.180 What was the Epstein operation?

00:10:51.600 Obviously, some kind of intelligence operation.

00:10:54.720 What was it, and who was it for?

00:10:57.620 That's what I want to know.

00:10:59.120 By the way, I'm not suicidal.

00:11:00.940 Just letting you know, I want to put this out there right now.

00:11:03.400 I am not suicidal.

00:11:05.640 I've not had suicidal thoughts.

00:11:08.700 Not.

00:11:10.820 Just asking a question, okay?

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00:13:14.500 A lot of men feeling a lot of discomfort right now with the questions that are being asked and the evidence that could theoretically come to light in the Jeffrey Epstein case.

00:13:28.160 Now, speaking of making men uncomfortable, the new lady director of whatever the next Star Wars movie is going to be just gave a talk. 0.98

00:13:36.140 I guess she was being interviewed by Jon Stewart at a panel called Women in the World, and she said that her goal for the next Star Wars movie is to make a really entertaining and beautiful movie that everyone's going to enjoy.

00:13:50.080 Just kidding.

00:13:50.740 What she said was her goal is to make men feel uncomfortable.

00:13:53.720 What is the balance of activating a force for change, but also trying to permeate that patriarchy, that power structure?

00:14:08.760 And is that a part of the calculation of your art as well?

00:14:12.580 And what's been the reaction to that?

00:14:14.820 Oh, absolutely.

00:14:16.700 I like to make men uncomfortable.

00:14:20.020 I enjoy making men uncomfortable.

00:14:26.340 Not you.

00:14:27.660 Just, you know.

00:14:29.140 Point taken.

00:14:30.260 Point taken.

00:14:32.140 But, you know, it is important to be able to look into the eyes of a man and say, I am here, and recognize that.

00:14:42.080 And recognize that I am working to bring something that makes you uncomfortable, and it should make you uncomfortable, because you need to change your attitude.

00:14:51.980 And it's only when you're uncomfortable, when you're shifty, when you have to have difficult conversations, that you will perhaps look at yourself in the mirror and not like the reflection.

00:15:01.400 So, this clip is from some years ago.

00:15:05.140 This lady's name is Charmaine Obaid Chinoy, and it's coming to the forefront now because she's directing whatever the next Star Wars movie is.

00:15:14.360 And everyone is rightly concluding from this that the next Star Wars movie is going to be terrible.

00:15:17.760 That's been true of pretty much all the Disney Star Wars movies.

00:15:20.460 There was that one exception.

00:15:22.600 What was it?

00:15:22.980 Rogue One, I think, was okay.

00:15:24.600 But the rest of them have been just absolutely, unbearably bad.

00:15:27.720 And the next one is probably going to be even worse. 0.78

00:15:31.060 But everyone's just making fun of her and saying she's a crazy feminist, and she's going to ruin Star Wars, which was ruined many years ago. 1.00

00:15:38.680 She does have a point. 0.67

00:15:40.660 She does have a point.

00:15:42.480 She says, I want to make men uncomfortable. 0.62

00:15:45.760 Men need to feel uncomfortable. 0.99

00:15:49.040 And I think that's true.

00:15:51.120 Not in the way that she intends it, but I think it's true. 0.88

00:15:53.200 She thinks that men are uncomfortable because they've never given their power away to women.

00:15:59.700 Men are uncomfortable because they've never accepted feminism.

00:16:03.220 Men are uncomfortable because they're living as the beneficiaries of the patriarchy.

00:16:07.260 That's all fake news. 0.99

00:16:08.680 That's all completely ridiculous. 0.90

00:16:09.940 The opposite is true. 0.97

00:16:11.540 And that is why men need to feel uncomfortable.

00:16:15.700 Men feel discomfort wielding power.

00:16:18.820 Now, this goes all the way back to chapter 3 of the book of Genesis, when Adam and Eve sin, and God tells them what their punishment is going to be.

00:16:29.580 And their punishment is, in a way, a blessing because God is equipping man and woman to live in the fallen world. 0.96

00:16:36.920 He's preparing them for that.

00:16:39.820 And he says to Eve, he says to the woman, your desire will be for your man, but he shall rule over you. 0.91

00:16:48.820 Men, contrary to what feminists think, don't actually want to lord over women.

00:16:55.360 They don't want to.

00:16:56.320 They don't want to be knuckle-dragging, screaming, barking orders everywhere, making every single decision, just bossing everyone around.

00:17:05.740 That's not what men actually want.

00:17:07.080 You know what men actually want?

00:17:08.060 Men want to sit on the couch and eat potato chips and be left alone. 1.00

00:17:11.200 That is what men would do if we had our druthers. 0.99

00:17:14.760 It is a total lie of feminism that we want to be just stomping around, sparking orders at everybody. 1.00

00:17:22.720 That's not what men want to do.

00:17:24.140 We don't want to make every decision.

00:17:25.700 We don't want to have all the responsibility.

00:17:27.560 We don't want the weight of a household and a family on our shoulders.

00:17:30.880 We just kind of want to be left alone.

00:17:32.160 That's our at least base appetite, to be resistant.

00:17:35.720 What we have to do, what we are called to rise up to do, is be responsible and make decisions and take accountability.

00:17:44.560 And that's what men need to do now.

00:17:46.160 Men, part of the reason that we have a lot of social dysfunction is because men won't act like men.

00:17:53.560 Men feel uncomfortable acting like men. 0.52

00:17:55.500 So we cede every responsibility to women. 0.99

00:18:00.680 So we act like women.

00:18:01.840 So in some cases, we chop ourselves up and try to pretend to be women. 0.99

00:18:06.180 That's not good.

00:18:08.100 Do you really think that the problems, the social problems of America in the year of our Lord 2024, are that men are too masculine?

00:18:21.000 Men are too manly these days?

00:18:24.000 Are you kidding me?

00:18:24.640 Give me a break.

00:18:25.180 If social problems have increased over the last 50 years, as I think we would all have to agree they have, over that period, have men become more manly or less manly?

00:18:37.520 Have men become more patriarchal or less patriarchal?

00:18:40.560 Have men become more feminist or less feminist?

00:18:44.200 The answers are very, very clear.

00:18:46.160 I totally agree with what's-her-face.

00:18:47.840 Charmaine Obaid-Chinoy.

00:18:51.180 Men need to be made to feel uncomfortable. 0.93

00:18:55.180 And the thing that makes men most uncomfortable these days is acting like men and taking responsibility and wielding the just power with which we have been entrusted for most of history.

00:19:07.940 We feel less comfortable with that than ever.

00:19:10.500 And to quote Don Corleone from a good movie, unlike some of these bad movies that have been coming out, from a good movie, tells Johnny Fontaine,

00:19:17.560 What do I do?

00:19:18.580 I don't know what to do, Godfather.

00:19:19.880 You can act like a man.

00:19:21.520 What's the matter with you?

00:19:22.320 What's the matter with you?

00:19:23.140 Speaking of men and women, and perhaps unexpected opinions, there is a really weird story coming out of the UK.

00:19:34.240 Police are investigating the first case of rape in the metaverse.

00:19:38.760 The metaverse is just the video game world that Mark Zuckerberg wants us all to live in.

00:19:42.720 You put on the goggles, and it's a totally immersive kind of video game.

00:19:46.120 According to prosecutors, a child, a girl under the age of 16, was attacked in a virtual reality video game, and she was left distraught after her avatar was gang raped by strangers online.

00:20:01.040 Now, the report goes on to make clear that the girl did not suffer any physical injuries.

00:20:06.180 Obviously, she was just wearing a headset and a video game.

00:20:08.840 But prosecutors say she suffered emotional injuries, and they're going to investigate this as some kind of sexual crime.

00:20:15.440 And a lot of conservatives are making fun of this.

00:20:17.560 They're saying, are you kidding me?

00:20:18.640 She should have just taken the headset off. 0.51

00:20:20.260 Are you kidding me?

00:20:20.880 It's just a video game.

00:20:21.840 Grow up.

00:20:22.540 Are you kidding me?

00:20:23.220 She doesn't have any physical injuries.

00:20:24.660 So there's no crime took place.

00:20:28.880 To which I say, that's the most liberal take I've ever heard.

00:20:33.600 Are you kidding me?

00:20:34.440 You think that the only kind of crime that can take place is a physical crime?

00:20:39.140 You think that what we do online is morally neutral, that we shouldn't be held accountable for what we do on?

00:20:46.360 Are you kidding me?

00:20:46.840 That's what the libs think.

00:20:47.740 That's not what the conservatives think.

00:20:50.060 Absolutely.

00:20:51.080 These guys should be investigated.

00:20:52.760 I'm not saying it's identical to rape, but it's not totally dissimilar.

00:20:59.460 Why is rape bad? 1.00

00:21:00.940 Why is rape a more serious crime than any other kind of physical assault?

00:21:08.680 If rape were just about the body, if human life were just about the physical, then a sexual assault would be no different from any other kind of assault, right?

00:21:19.820 The reason it's so much worse is because we're not just bodies.

00:21:23.400 We're souls.

00:21:24.300 We have psyches.

00:21:25.320 We have emotions.

00:21:26.080 We have souls.

00:21:27.180 We value things like integrity and modesty and virtue.

00:21:30.360 And a violation, a sexual violation, is more severe.

00:21:35.980 It cuts more deeply at the human person than if someone just came up and punched you in the face or cut you on the wrist.

00:21:42.320 We're talking about a little girl here.

00:21:46.440 You know, if these guys were just discovered to have texted inappropriate messages to a, let's say, I don't know how old the girl is, but let's say she's 12 or 13.

00:21:55.560 If these guys were found to have texted inappropriate sexual messages to her, I think everyone would agree they should be investigated and probably prosecuted.

00:22:03.600 So why is it any different if it happens in a video game where instead of texting words, instead of the symbols being letters and words, the symbols are characters enacting all of these gross, obscene things on the avatar of a little girl.

00:22:19.200 So, the reason I think this is important is there is a view that has prevailed on the left and on the right that whatever the law says in the physical world, in the real world, we shouldn't be held accountable for anything we do online.

00:22:36.360 Online is just the Wild West, do whatever you want.

00:22:40.200 That's a bad situation that has allowed all sorts of terrible things to proliferate.

00:22:45.180 Lots of online crimes.

00:22:46.380 Obviously, the now ubiquity of pornography, you know, sexual acts that you would never tolerate in the real physical world, everyone is allowed to indulge in and encouraged to indulge in online all the time.

00:23:03.120 Vicious kind of speech to one another, vicious, often threatening, sometimes illegal speech.

00:23:08.660 We just encourage that.

00:23:09.680 You would never talk to someone in real life the way you talk to someone on Twitter.

00:23:13.500 Online, it doesn't matter.

00:23:14.600 I think anything that allows us to recognize that what we do online is real is a very good thing.

00:23:24.600 And I think the girl probably is somewhat scarred, maybe not quite as much as if she were attacked in the physical world.

00:23:30.560 But totally immersive virtual reality is a pretty close simulacrum, especially for people who aren't fully developed.

00:23:36.720 Go investigate these guys.

00:23:38.840 I mean, there's also this question, why was she even playing the video game in the first place?

00:23:42.200 Where were her parents?

00:23:43.540 Did these guys know she was a kid?

00:23:45.100 Maybe not.

00:23:45.680 You're just talking about little avatar characters.

00:23:47.320 But nevertheless, investigate this.

00:23:51.040 Put some guardrails on this.

00:23:52.620 If someone is living in the metaverse for, let's say, an hour a day, two hours a day, four or five hours a day, and they're behaving like a total satyr criminal, psychosexual sadist, and then they take off the goggles and they go out to the real world, our modern liberal culture says, well, we can easily compartmentalize those things.

00:24:10.860 But any serious study of human nature says, no, you can't, because you're crafting your very desires, your behaviors, your way of viewing the world, your way of viewing women, your way of viewing people, your way of viewing yourself in the world.

00:24:23.720 You're crafting all of that with how you spend your time, how you fantasize, how you engage, even if it's in virtual reality.

00:24:32.820 And you're not going to be able to just totally cut that off once you reenter into the real, the so-called real world.

00:24:41.240 I'm beginning to think the conservatives, the church ladies, they were totally right about violent video games in the 90s.

00:24:47.560 They were just a little too soon.

00:24:48.780 Because in the 90s, you're talking about Mortal Kombat.

00:24:50.660 Everyone knows that's not reality.

00:24:52.000 Well, now when you throw on the metaverse goggles, the line between reality and video games is a lot blurrier.

00:24:58.880 And it can play a lot more tricks on your psyche and your emotions and your desires, as we see here from the way this girl, I think, rightly claims to be victimized. 0.69

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00:25:55.980 Speaking of pouncing on women, the Associated Press is reporting that Harvard's president's resignation highlights new conservative weapon against colleges.

00:26:10.300 This is plagiarism.

00:26:12.580 That's the new conservative weapon.

00:26:13.940 We developed it in our conservative biolabs, our conservative armories.

00:26:18.720 We said, oh, yes, here it is.

00:26:21.420 The new weapon that we're going to wield against the left, and the weapon is called their own actions.

00:26:30.200 No, we invented that.

00:26:31.780 We invented plagiarism, you see.

00:26:33.600 No one ever cared about plagiarism before.

00:26:35.460 But now these cynical, bad-faith conservatives have decided that it's wrong to steal other people's academic work in scholarship.

00:26:46.820 This is the most serious academic crime you could commit and has been forever for the entire history of scholarship.

00:26:53.140 But now the AP says, no, these conservatives, they just invented that.

00:26:56.640 So I love the community notes on this post.

00:27:02.180 Say, actually, plagiarism is a breach of rules for Harvard University.

00:27:05.780 Claudine Gay was ultimately forced to resign for a series of breaches of this policy.

00:27:09.820 Plagiarism, or application of the rules around plagiarism, therefore cannot be considered a weapon.

00:27:13.760 Yeah.

00:27:14.480 Yeah.

00:27:14.780 I love that, of course. 0.97

00:27:15.940 Totally ridiculous. 1.00

00:27:17.120 The reason I even mention the stupid AP headline, conservatives pounce. 1.00

00:27:20.420 The reason I mention it is because it shows you that the libs are taking this hard. 0.99

00:27:26.640 There's been some debate.

00:27:28.300 Is this really a win?

00:27:30.460 The new president of Harvard, or the interim president, is another huge lib.

00:27:35.000 So is that really a win?

00:27:37.020 I don't know.

00:27:38.480 This woman, Claudine Gay, is going to retain her faculty position at Harvard, which is insane. 0.81

00:27:45.900 She had two jobs, faculty and president. 0.78

00:27:47.900 If you get caught plagiarizing, the last job you should be able to keep is the faculty job.

00:27:55.120 The last job you should be able to keep is the academic job, right?

00:27:57.840 She violated the ultimate rule of academia.

00:28:03.020 If she's going to lose one of the jobs, it should be the faculty job. 0.94

00:28:06.280 She really should lose both of them.

00:28:07.760 But they're going to give her this nice parachute.

00:28:09.680 She's going to get to keep her faculty job.

00:28:11.220 And she's going to get to keep her president's salary. 0.79

00:28:13.180 So this woman's still going to make $900,000 a year. 1.00

00:28:15.400 We don't know the exact figure, but it's somewhere around there, at least, maybe more.

00:28:20.340 So you say, hold on.

00:28:21.900 Harvard gets a new liberal president.

00:28:24.440 This woman gets to keep almost a million bucks a year and her sinecure at Harvard. 1.00

00:28:29.880 How is this a win?

00:28:32.000 I'm not saying it's perfect, but the left is feeling the pain on this.

00:28:38.320 The left thinks this is a loss.

00:28:40.160 The Associated Press thinks this is a loss.

00:28:41.880 Mark Lamont Hill, who is a black activist, left-wing professor, and political pundit.

00:28:52.080 He was furious.

00:28:53.440 When this came out, when Claudine Gay resigned, he tweeted out. 0.96

00:28:56.340 He said, the next Harvard president must be a black woman. 1.00

00:29:03.040 So then, some of us conservatives started suggesting all sorts of black women who would be good.

00:29:08.600 Some were, I think, jokingly suggesting Candace Owens.

00:29:12.940 I suggested Carol Swain, who actually would be a great choice. 0.98

00:29:16.600 One, because she rose to the very heights of the academic field. 0.86

00:29:19.940 She's a woman who came from nothing. 1.00

00:29:21.340 She grew up in a shack without running water.

00:29:23.280 She rose to the very heights of academia.

00:29:25.020 She became a tenured professor at Princeton.

00:29:26.720 And she won the American Political Science Association's Woodrow Wilson Award, which is the top prize in political science.

00:29:32.440 She's a very inspiring, very impressive woman.

00:29:35.140 And then, she thought for herself and contradicted liberal orthodoxy, so they tried to boot her out.

00:29:40.260 She was a tenured professor.

00:29:41.420 She ended up back at Vanderbilt.

00:29:42.720 They hated her there, too, because she thought for herself.

00:29:45.720 But her scholarship was apparently good enough for Harvard standards because the former president of Harvard plagiarized Carol Swain. 0.99

00:29:52.060 So, she would be a great choice.

00:29:53.840 But people were suggesting all sorts of black women.

00:29:57.360 And Mark Lamont Hill, this same left-wing academic and black activist pundit, he responded to someone who suggested Candace and said, this is the problem.

00:30:07.740 Y'all really think black people are interchangeable?

00:30:12.800 Now, he sent that tweet at about 8 p.m. on January 2nd.

00:30:19.840 Seven hours prior, he sent the first tweet. 0.73

00:30:22.900 He said, the next president must be a black woman. 1.00

00:30:25.520 Okay, how about this black woman? 1.00

00:30:26.840 Y'all think black people are interchangeable? 0.99

00:30:28.820 How dare you? 0.98

00:30:29.420 No, man, you just said it.

00:30:30.960 I didn't say it.

00:30:32.040 That was the quickest defiant L I've ever seen. 0.96

00:30:37.600 They must pick any black woman. 1.00

00:30:39.900 It doesn't matter who.

00:30:40.820 They're all completely interchangeable.

00:30:42.300 All right, well, how about this one? 1.00

00:30:43.140 You, how dare you, you dirty, rotten, white man, white devil racist. 1.00

00:30:48.340 You think they're interchangeable? 1.00

00:30:50.200 What, just because I told you so?

00:30:51.480 Yeah, I guess so.

00:30:52.260 I don't know, man.

00:30:52.880 They feel hurt by this, is what I'm saying.

00:30:55.540 The libs, however they're trying to put on a brave face here, are furious.

00:31:01.880 They, when they got the plagiarism accusations against the Harvard president, they covered

00:31:07.380 them up immediately.

00:31:08.080 They lied about them.

00:31:09.440 They tried to push them to the side.

00:31:11.100 And finally, the political pressure was too tough.

00:31:14.880 They had to let her go, and they're whining and crying about it.

00:31:17.460 That's a win.

00:31:18.720 It's a win.

00:31:19.460 Even though she gets to keep her almost million bucks a year, the reputation of Harvard has 0.51

00:31:23.600 been damaged.

00:31:25.460 The donor dollars to Harvard are going to decrease.

00:31:28.000 I mean, that really started.

00:31:29.140 This isn't really about plagiarism.

00:31:30.480 This is because Claudine Gay and the former president of UPenn both testified before a

00:31:36.540 congressional committee and said that calls on campus for genocide against the Jews didn't

00:31:43.260 necessarily constitute harassment.

00:31:44.800 So what this is really about is an accusation of anti-Semitism.

00:31:48.400 That's what's underlying all of this.

00:31:50.600 But the white lady from Penn immediately gets fired. 1.00

00:31:53.960 The black lady from Harvard doesn't immediately get fired because that would be politically 1.00

00:31:57.720 incorrect. 0.99

00:31:58.240 So conservatives wisely recognized, okay, she's weak. 1.00

00:32:03.400 Donors are very upset about the Israel thing.

00:32:05.880 So this is a good opportunity to press the issue.

00:32:10.000 Plagiarism was a good issue to use.

00:32:13.340 It is legitimately the most serious academic crime. 0.97

00:32:16.000 This woman was weak. 1.00

00:32:16.900 She was completely unqualified to be the Harvard president. 0.99

00:32:18.960 So it was an opportunity for conservatives to exploit multiple weaknesses.

00:32:24.380 And that's a good thing.

00:32:25.100 That's just called politics, folks.

00:32:27.360 The libs are trying to say that Chris Ruffo and the conservatives who are really responsible

00:32:30.320 for this are bad faith actors because they were exploiting weaknesses.

00:32:35.000 Exploiting weakness, that's just politics.

00:32:36.340 They didn't write the plagiarized accounts.

00:32:41.940 They didn't plagiarize Claudine Gay's PhD thesis and a lot of the rest of her paltry academic

00:32:48.580 output.

00:32:49.300 They didn't give her 11 published scholarly articles by the time she became president of

00:32:55.180 Harvard.

00:32:55.420 11.

00:32:55.720 That's what a graduate student should have.

00:32:58.880 They didn't deprive her of the qualifications to do her job.

00:33:01.740 They just exploited a weakness.

00:33:03.460 Good thing.

00:33:04.020 I'll take it.

00:33:04.780 I will totally take it.

00:33:06.160 Now, Mark Lamont Hill has flip-flopped.

00:33:09.440 Harvard has flip-flopped.

00:33:10.900 There's another person flip-flopping these days.

00:33:12.540 It would be the once future president of the United States, Chris Christie, who is saying

00:33:18.700 he will not vote for Donald Trump if he's the nominee.

00:33:21.680 If it's Biden versus Trump in the fall, would you vote for Donald Trump?

00:33:24.900 No.

00:33:25.720 So what is it about various Republican candidates for the presidency who live with the knowledge

00:33:32.380 of what Trump has done to the country, the damage that he's done to this country that

00:33:37.360 will ensue for God knows how long, what is it about them that causes them to just knee-jerk

00:33:43.620 reaction, oh yeah, I'd vote for Trump anyway?

00:33:45.980 It's an interesting combination of two emotions, Mike, fear and ambition.

00:33:51.000 So the fear part of it is that all of them treasure their titles.

00:33:56.720 And so they treasure their titles more than they treasure the honor that's given to them

00:34:02.220 by the people to actually have those titles.

00:34:04.040 And they don't want to lose them.

00:34:05.240 And they're all worried about being primaried by someone who would have Donald Trump's endorsement.

00:34:10.060 That's it.

00:34:10.440 Yeah.

00:34:11.280 Yeah.

00:34:11.580 No one's ever accused Chris Christie of ambition or the guy who worked for Donald Trump after

00:34:15.900 saying, you know, he's a bad guy.

00:34:16.960 Now he's a good guy.

00:34:17.600 Now I hate him again because Trump pushed him out.

00:34:19.220 Now, would you vote for him in the fall?

00:34:21.300 No.

00:34:24.360 But of course, the primary condition for being considered to debate in the Republican primary

00:34:33.520 debates was a pledge to say that you will support the eventual nominee of the party.

00:34:40.780 And you remember, Donald Trump said, I don't think I'm going to sign that.

00:34:44.340 And there was this big hullabaloo.

00:34:46.680 Donald Trump, he has no loyalty to anyone but himself.

00:34:49.220 He's destroying the Republican Party.

00:34:51.700 He's just got unbridled ambition.

00:34:54.160 He's unmoored from any principle.

00:34:56.020 He doesn't.

00:34:56.740 He's a.

00:34:58.000 Hey, you know what?

00:34:59.200 Trump was honest about that.

00:35:01.560 All the rest of the candidates signed it, including Chris Christie.

00:35:04.360 And then what happens?

00:35:06.020 Chris Christie's campaign totally collapses.

00:35:08.780 All of their campaigns collapse other than Trump's, which remains strong.

00:35:12.800 And they say, OK, are you going to honor your pledge?

00:35:14.980 No, no, I'm not. 0.93

00:35:16.500 No, I'm a liar. 0.99

00:35:17.920 I'm an ambitious liar. 0.95

00:35:19.760 And everything that we accuse Donald Trump of, we are all guilty of to the 10th degree. 0.90

00:35:26.040 Yeah, no, no way.

00:35:29.700 It reveals these guys to lack what was supposed to be the distinguishing feature between them and Trump, which was integrity, principle, care for the party, ideological mooring and something solid.

00:35:46.640 But they don't have that, especially not Chris Christie.

00:35:49.300 Perhaps it's unfair to say the same about the other candidates.

00:35:52.040 Certainly not Chris Christie, who was supposed to be the chief Trump antagonist.

00:35:56.500 Anything, anything you could say about Donald Trump, any accusation that you could make against him, any insult you could throw his way applies 100 times to Chris Christie.

00:36:07.500 So it doesn't work.

00:36:08.320 So it doesn't work.

00:36:09.400 So the holier-than-thou campaign.

00:36:12.440 The sanctimonious campaign, which is in part why that line, that word, that nickname for Ron DeSantis, while it might not have been fair for DeSantis himself, and while it might not have been the easiest to roll off the tongue, it's why it was a good choice of words to use against Trump opponents broadly.

00:36:35.160 It's because that has been the chief tool for the anti-Trump campaigns, going back to 2016, the sanctimony.

00:36:45.140 Well, this Trump, he's a ruffian. 0.99

00:36:47.200 He's so immoral. 1.00

00:36:48.180 He's so terrible. 1.00

00:36:49.240 He's so this, that.

00:36:50.540 But consistently along the way, it's true on the Republican side and the Democrat side, consistently along the way, we found out that Trump's opponents don't often seem to demonstrate much more principle.

00:37:04.320 than he has himself.

00:37:06.000 Often, they demonstrate far less.

00:37:08.180 Now, turning to the more likable presidential contenders, you got two people ahead of Chris, I guess three people ahead of Chris Christie.

00:37:17.320 You got Vivek Ramaswamy, but Vivek and Chris Christie's poll numbers are still relatively low.

00:37:22.440 There are two people who are a little further up, even though they're still far behind Trump.

00:37:26.840 That would be Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley.

00:37:28.880 Or now, we might have to reverse that.

00:37:32.640 Because for the first time in a national poll, Nikki Haley has overtaken Ron DeSantis.

00:37:37.600 I said yesterday on the show that for the first time in the RCP average, you had the candidates looking like they were tied for second.

00:37:47.820 But now, I said, when is one of them going to overtake the other one?

00:37:53.040 Well, now you got, out of 538, which is a pretty respectable poll, you now have Nikki Haley as the second place candidate.

00:38:01.340 There is a very real possibility of a Nikki Haley nomination.

00:38:04.740 And nobody believes this.

00:38:06.980 Going back to when she announced her candidacy, everyone wrote her off and laughed at her.

00:38:10.140 And, you know, I hate to say I told you so, but some of us said, hey, hey, hey, even if you don't like Nikki Haley, even if you think she's too moderate or something, this is an extraordinarily talented politician who was able to navigate very difficult waters and appeal to the establishment, to the Koch network, to the moderates, to the centrists, to center left, and to appeal to Trump supporters.

00:38:31.220 She was not only a successful member of the Trump administration, she was a particularly popular member when she was the UN ambassador.

00:38:40.180 And when she left, Trump gave her a little short of a ticker tape parade, okay?

00:38:45.900 But they had a big meeting, lots of cameras, oh, Nikki's been great.

00:38:50.220 Then Nikki turned on Trump, then she supported Trump again, then she turned on Trump, and she's just navigated the waters very, very well.

00:38:56.960 Don't forget, Trump is being indicted.

00:38:58.760 The Libs are going to do everything that they possibly can to keep him off the ballot.

00:39:01.800 Totally unprecedented actions that they've been doing since 2015, 2016, using the federal government to spy on his campaign, trying to undermine his entire administration with bogus charges cooked up by the FBI and the Democrats.

00:39:16.280 Impeaching him twice doesn't work.

00:39:18.920 Then accusing him of insurrection based on nothing.

00:39:22.460 Then throwing him off the, using a court to throw him off the ballot.

00:39:25.820 Using a secretary of state to throw him off the ballot.

00:39:28.240 Doing their very level best to defend democracy by preventing people from voting for the most popular candidate.

00:39:33.760 They'll do anything.

00:39:34.660 They've got four indictments now.

00:39:36.600 You know, the only thing they've got left after that is assassination, and I don't put it past them.

00:39:41.040 So, the number two person might matter.

00:39:44.540 Because there is a world, even if Trump is the most popular candidate and everybody in the world wants to vote for him, there is a world in which the political order just does not let him be the nominee.

00:39:52.700 Which is why the number two thing matters and could be Nikki.

00:39:56.740 My favorite comment yesterday is from First Emperor, who says, anything outside of meritocracy should be absolutely rejected.

00:40:04.120 I say this is my favorite comment because Ophelia, man, and in most circumstances, I agree, I guess.

00:40:11.520 But I actually don't think that's a liberal, I don't think that's a conservative perspective.

00:40:16.280 I think that's kind of a liberal perspective.

00:40:18.720 Because you don't really believe that.

00:40:22.200 I don't really believe that in all cases, every single thing in the whole world should be meritocracy.

00:40:28.060 I don't think so.

00:40:30.200 If you have a pure meritocracy, then you don't have much care for people who are a little slower, people who are disabled, people who you don't really care for them.

00:40:44.700 You say, well, I deserve exactly what I get because I'm so smart and fast and big and strong and beautiful.

00:40:49.900 And you fall into a kind of a dark view where you start to value human beings more than other human beings.

00:40:56.900 I don't like that.

00:40:58.740 If you have a pure meritocracy, you can't have any inheritance from your parents.

00:41:03.600 I don't think that's very conservative.

00:41:05.220 Not that I come from, you know, a particularly wealthy household.

00:41:09.100 But I like the idea of inheritance because it establishes some continuity between the generations.

00:41:15.080 Forget about even monetary inheritance.

00:41:16.700 What about cultural inheritance?

00:41:19.080 Those sorts of things.

00:41:20.000 It's not just about a purely individualistic meritocracy.

00:41:23.340 I think that's good.

00:41:24.040 What about legacy admissions to schools?

00:41:25.260 I wasn't a legacy admission to my college, and I don't intend to send any of my children to the college that I went to.

00:41:31.980 But I like the idea of legacy admissions because it creates affection for the institution, because it encourages conservatism, which is a good thing.

00:41:42.280 So, well, I agree that our current system of a racial caste that discriminates against whites and, to a lesser degree, Asians, and that says that men are the worst people on the face of the earth. 0.82

00:41:55.380 And I agree that that's all extremely perverse and unjust, and meritocracy is preferable to that.

00:42:00.140 But there is more to life than meritocracy, especially if you want to conserve anything.

00:42:05.120 Nikki Haley now, feeling pretty good.

00:42:09.440 She's playing a win. 0.57

00:42:11.100 Nikki is trying to get Trump to show up to the debate. 0.79

00:42:12.940 She says, with only three candidates qualifying for the CNN debate, it is time for Donald Trump to show up.

00:42:18.000 As the debate stage continues to shrink, it's getting harder for Donald Trump to hide.

00:42:22.440 Now, she's saying three candidates qualifying for the CNN debate because it looks as though Vivek might not qualify.

00:42:31.320 And this is because, I don't know, Vivek is alleging that it's because CNN is changing the rules to keep him off the stage.

00:42:37.980 And frankly, like probably, Vivek is a very exciting candidate in this race.

00:42:42.960 He's done much, much better than anybody expected him to do.

00:42:46.000 He, his entire role in the race, or a big part of his role in the race, is to say things that the political establishment does not want you to say.

00:42:55.360 And, and they can't even write him off as some conspiracy theorist kook because he's smarter than all of them.

00:43:00.860 So, this is a guy, this is one of the most intelligent people in, in the political scene in the United States.

00:43:06.320 And he's extremely well-educated and he's extremely accomplished.

00:43:09.040 And so, they can't just write him off.

00:43:10.740 And they can't even call him some crank racist or whatever because he's Indian. 0.50

00:43:13.700 So, you know, he's very inconvenient for the political establishment.

00:43:18.140 I don't put it past them to try to torpedo his campaign.

00:43:20.900 But in any case, Nikki is saying, okay, the field is shrinking.

00:43:24.040 We're going to get rid of Vivek.

00:43:26.120 So, Trump needs to debate.

00:43:29.480 This call for Trump to debate also seems to coincide with Trump saying he would not pick Nikki Haley for his VP.

00:43:34.760 So, I said on this show a couple days ago that with Nikki surging, she's saying she would pardon Trump if Trump were convicted of crimes and any of these ridiculous political prosecutions.

00:43:49.400 Trump was saying some nice things about Nikki Haley, kind of floating the idea that Nikki Haley could be his running mate.

00:43:55.360 He needs a running mate.

00:43:56.120 I don't know who it's going to be right now.

00:43:57.280 And so, I said, okay, the question is, are the Trump supporters loyal enough to Trump, blindly loyal enough to Trump, that they would tolerate a Nikki Haley vice presidency?

00:44:11.220 Even as so much of the Trump base appears to hate Nikki Haley.

00:44:15.300 That's the question.

00:44:17.020 Maybe.

00:44:17.460 It could be like a Bush-Reagan kind of thing.

00:44:19.520 Fairly or unfairly, Nikki Haley is the representative of the establishment right now. 0.60

00:44:22.700 That happened the moment she took the Koch network money.

00:44:24.500 So, and Trump is the representative of the insurgent populist wing, the paleo wing, the trad wing, I don't know, whatever, whatever label you want to throw on him.

00:44:34.280 He's not from the Bush wing.

00:44:35.480 He's not from the Romney wing of the party.

00:44:37.220 So, maybe you could have a unity ticket like you had in 1980, Reagan and Bush.

00:44:41.140 Reagan was the conservative.

00:44:42.200 Bush was the establishment guy.

00:44:44.100 And they unified, and they had a successful presidency.

00:44:47.120 Could you get that with Haley?

00:44:48.520 But then Trump came out, and he said, no, I'm not doing that. 0.83

00:44:52.000 She's a bird brain. 1.00

00:44:52.900 I don't like her. 0.98

00:44:53.400 You know, all the typical Trump insults.

00:44:55.740 So, now Nikki is going after him.

00:44:59.560 Still, I think Nikki's playing her cards very smart, but still, Trump has no incentive to debate.

00:45:07.180 I think he came out and said that if the election got close, he would debate.

00:45:11.040 But right now, even as the field is shrinking, even as support is consolidating behind, you would say, Haley and DeSantis, increasingly looking more like Haley than DeSantis, but who knows?

00:45:23.460 There still hasn't been a vote cast in a caucus or a primary.

00:45:25.540 Still, Trump is how many dozens of points above them?

00:45:30.740 You know, it's just not close enough.

00:45:33.060 There's still no incentive.

00:45:34.280 And the only way you're going to get Trump to debate is if there is a political incentive for him to do it.

00:45:39.320 Right now, if he shows up to the debate, it's all downside, no upside.

00:45:42.380 He's dominating the field everywhere.

00:45:43.980 So, he can only lose.

00:45:47.100 And Trump knows that, and he's not going to play to lose.

00:45:50.100 The rest of the GOP is consolidating as well.

00:45:53.460 So, you got the primary field consolidating, but now you got the endorsements consolidating.

00:45:57.320 This started a few weeks ago.

00:45:58.880 You had, it started actually months ago, but it really kicked up a few weeks ago.

00:46:02.780 You had people who had endorsed other candidates, notably Ron DeSantis, starting to flip and to endorse Donald Trump.

00:46:09.640 You had some other high-ranking Republicans come out.

00:46:13.300 Even Kevin McCarthy, the ousted leader of the Republicans in the House, he said, oh, yeah, I'm supporting Trump.

00:46:19.960 You know, Josh Hawley, yeah, I'm supporting Trump.

00:46:22.000 Guys who had been kind of on the fence, they're going.

00:46:24.740 Now, Steve Scalise, who is the House majority leader, he's the number two Republican in the country.

00:46:29.540 He came out, he said, I'm proud to endorse Donald Trump for president in 2024.

00:46:35.280 And I look forward to working with Trump and a Republican House and Senate to fight for those families who are struggling under the weight of Biden's failed policies.

00:46:42.640 Okay, why is Scalise doing this?

00:46:45.840 Because he's the most rock-robed Trump supporter in the world?

00:46:47.780 No, it's because he sees the writing on the wall.

00:46:49.680 That's what this is about.

00:46:50.560 And so, as Ernest Hemingway said, of bankruptcy, it happens gradually, then suddenly.

00:46:58.280 A line that Drew Klavan liked to quote, and then I liked to quote, and then, you know, like every conservative quotes now.

00:47:02.580 Now, every conservative is going to feel this pull.

00:47:07.380 I'm not saying they're going to do it, but they're going to feel this pull to endorse Trump, particularly as the attacks against him from the prosecutors ramp up.

00:47:16.680 Now, you know I'm something of a tease, and today is Theology Thursday, which you'll get in the member block.

00:47:23.100 If you're not a member, you've got to go on over to dailywire.com and subscribe and use code Knowles, and you'll have a great time in the creme de la creme.

00:47:31.520 But there's a story I don't have time to get to today about how a Michigan state representative is proposing stripping tax exemption from the satanic temple,

00:47:42.120 which you're going to hear some civil libertarians and the secularists are going to go up in arms about this.

00:47:48.880 Oh, no, this is terrible.

00:47:50.180 It's actually a pretty good idea in principle, but there's some problems with it.

00:47:53.580 We'll get to it tomorrow, perhaps.

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The Michael Knowles Show - January 04, 2024

Ep. 1397 - The New Epstein Documents Explained In 2 Mins

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