Ep. 14 - Safe-Space Foreclosures： Colleges Pay Price For Coddling
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Two years after Mizzou caved to random student protests and demands for its president to resign, the university is reporting a 35% drop in enrollment and other huge consequences. We ll analyze the costs of coddling, plus, roaming millennial Antonia Okafor and conservative millennial Allie Stuckey on an all-woman panel of deplorables to talk Afghanistan, the health effects of a mean boss on employee health, and Steve Mnuchin s rich wife.
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Two years after Mizzou caved to random student protests and demands for its president to resign,
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the university is reporting a 35% drop in enrollment and other huge consequences.
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Plus, roaming millennial Antonia Okafor and conservative millennial Allie Stuckey
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on an all-woman panel of deplorables to talk Afghanistan,
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the health effects of a mean boss on employee health, and Steve Mnuchin's rich wife.
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I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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So we all remember the Mizzou protests of 2015.
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They actually were that far, far ago, 2015, 2016.
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And the student body president, Peyton Head, started this all because he posted on Facebook
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He was walking down the street, apparently, and some guys in the back of a pickup truck
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There are massive protests all over the campus.
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Now, five days later, by the way, the chancellor of Mizzou apologized.
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I think five days after that, or a week after that, another student, Jonathan Butler, decided
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And then students were insisting that the president resign, send a formal letter acknowledging
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And ironically, one of the reasons for the hunger strike was also that graduate students had
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some issue with their health insurance that was caused by Obamacare.
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So instead of protesting the government, which I'm sure all of them supported, they decided
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But the straw that broke the camel's back is that the football team stopped practicing.
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Football team brings in all the money to Mizzou.
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Just absolutely, the university just implodes because of a Facebook post and these students
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protesting, we're not really quite sure what, a variety of incidents of bias and prejudice
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Now, the most famous incident of this, of course, was the professor Melissa Click.
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Some student journalists showed up to one of the protests and this professor, this little
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professor comes out of nowhere and starts yelling at them.
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Hey, who wants to help me get this reporter out of here?
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Behind those signs, that's what those signs say.
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You need to back up, respect the students back up.
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Students, can you tell him how much time I have to go?
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It's the state of First Amendment that protects you.
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Now, I understand why you're confused, you see.
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Because today, all we hear about is how important reporters are.
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how attacks on journalism are threatening our democracy. The Washington Post says democracy
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dies in darkness. I understand your confusion. The difference is that now a Republican is
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president. You see, when a Republican is president, then the news media are the most
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important people in the country. They speak truth to power. They hold people accountable.
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But this is very different than when Democrats are in the White House. When Democrats are in
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the White House, reporters need to go away and professors call in muscle to beat them up and
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get them out of student protests. So eventually, eventually, Melissa Klick, this professor,
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was fired. And finally, it actually took a while to get her fired. And then she did an
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interview a little bit later. Now, was she remorseful?
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Were you appalled by your behavior when you watched the video?
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I was embarrassed by my behavior. I believe it doesn't represent who I am as a person.
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It doesn't represent the good I was doing there that day. And certainly, I wish I could do it
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over again. He introduced himself only as media and came at me with a camera.
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Sure. But it also wasn't a big camera. It could have been a phone-sized camera. It wasn't a,
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again, didn't say professional journalist to me.
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It was a mistake. I never, ever meant that as a call for violence. It's just one of those things
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Yeah, I didn't think that bring some muscle over here was a call for violence. When are muscles
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ever associated with violence? And I also love in her apology, in her quasi-apology,
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almost apology, she says that the trouble with the video was it doesn't represent the good that
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I was doing. You people just don't understand the good. And the reason she kicked the reporter out,
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it's not because he's a reporter. It's because she didn't know if he was a total hack. She didn't
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have a big CBS camera with them or ABC or New York Times. So she wasn't sure that they would give
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favorable coverage to the protest. It could have been one of those dreadful right-wing journalists.
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So what is the result of all of this? At Mizzou, this is just being reported today because Mizzou is a
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public university, so they have to report these things. Freshman enrollment is down 35%. This is
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a massive drop. Overall enrollment down 2,000. This is the lowest enrollment since 1999. Unbelievable.
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Seven dorms at Mizzou have been taken out of service. Seven dormitory buildings, no longer in
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service because they don't have people to fill them up. They've laid off 100 staff. They're going to cut
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300 more through attrition and through retirement. They've already cut library staff, although I assume
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that nobody at that university is using a library anymore. They cut 50 workers last year already in
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maintenance and grounds crew. And it turns out that letting the lunatics run the asylum is not the
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best idea. And this isn't only at Mizzou. This has happened all over the country. Sadly, this happened at my
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university, Yale as well. In 2015, a campus organization sent out an email detailing which Halloween costumes the
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students could wear and which they couldn't wear. So then a separate professor sent an email out
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clarifying and saying, you know, perhaps it's the case that Yale students are adult enough to choose
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their own clothing, to choose their own Halloween costumes. This also set off an insane reaction on
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campus. And it prompted this response famously. Other people have rights too, not just walk away.
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Walk away, walk away, walk away, walk away, walk away, walk away, he doesn't deserve to be
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listened to him. He doesn't deserve to be listened to him. He doesn't deserve to be listened to him.
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He doesn't deserve to be listened to him. He doesn't deserve to be listened to him.
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Stay quiet! For all Sillman students. You understand that? As your position as master,
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it is your job to create a place of comfort and home for the students that live in Sillman.
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You have not done that. By sending out that email, that goes against your position as master,
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do you understand that? No, I don't agree with that. Then why the did you accept the position?
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Because I have- Who the hired you? I have a different vision. You should step down. If that is
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what you think about being a master, you should step down. It is not about creating an intellectual
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space. It is not. Do you understand that? It's about creating a home here. You are not doing that.
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You are supposed to be our advocate. You should be at the event last night when you hear Afroko say
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that she didn't know how to create a space space for her freshman in Sillman. How do you explain that?
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These freshmen are coming and they think this is what Yale is? Do you hear that? They're going to leave.
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They're going to transfer because you are a poor steward of the community.
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Oh, that is so painful to watch. I remember the first time I saw that,
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Michael. It is a scar. It is unbelievable. There is also this irony to it. She says,
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who the F hired you? It turns out her name is Gerilyn Luther. She was on the committee that
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appointed him to that position. She hired him, which is really great. Absolutely unbelievable.
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It is not about creating an intellectual space on campus. It is about making me feel comfortable and
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safe and God knows what else. What did the Yale administration do? Surely that student was expelled.
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Surely her friends were expelled. Surely they burned her dorm to the ground, right? No,
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they pushed those professors out of their jobs. Those professors are no longer at Yale. The
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administration did nothing to support them. And some of the students who were seen protesting there
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received awards at graduation. So, Yale is the only Ivy League school this year to report an increased
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acceptance rate. Now, unlike Mizzou, Yale doesn't need to disclose its records. So we don't really
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know what's hidden in there. But it's the only one of these universities to report that it increased
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the rate of the number of students that it took in this year. One wonders if part of the reason for
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that is they didn't know how many people would say no. When you very often, if you apply to Yale,
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you're also applying to Harvard or Princeton or Dartmouth or whatever. And they might have,
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it seems to me, perfectly reasonable that they increased that rate because they thought that
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there would be a backlash to this. And if we knew what their records were, I think probably we would
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see that. I was back at Yale a couple months ago. Every student, regardless of political affiliation,
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all of the alumni, they were disgusted by what was going on and the failure of the administration.
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Now, not all universities are like this. There is a magical university in Indiana called Purdue.
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And the former governor there, Mitch Daniels, he's the president of Purdue. There was some of this
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craziness that happened on campus around the time that this was happening at Mizzou and at Yale.
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And he invited the social justice club of students into his office. They said to him specifically,
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this is not a negotiation. Here are our demands. His response to them was,
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you're right about one thing. This is not a negotiation. He essentially told these kids
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to sit down and shut up and do their schoolwork and try to graduate. After he took that strong
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stance, you never heard from these kids again. U Chicago is another great school.
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In their letter to freshmen students, in their letter to incoming students,
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they took this on, they preempted this whole issue. Quote,
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our commitment to academic freedom means that we do not support so-called trigger warnings.
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We do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversial. And we do not
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condone the creation of intellectual safe spaces where individuals can retreat from ideas and
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perspectives at odds with their own. Wonderful defense of the academy out of University of Chicago,
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of intellectual freedom there. And we haven't heard a peep from them since. Turns out,
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when the adults stand up to these kids, they sit down and listen. Now, as long as these elite
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universities are going to cave to students, I think they're going to expect more damage to
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their bottom line, just like we can see at Mizzou and we can infer from Yale. And we're going to see
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a next generation of allegedly educated Americans who look like this.
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Stop talking to us. Like why are you talking to us like children? I can't. I can't imagine. I love that video so much. It's so
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stop talking to us like why are you talking to us like children i can't
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i can't imagine i love that video so much it's so awful but i love it so much okay with that
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we have to bring on our panel i am so lucky today i've been asking for this since the show started
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and we finally have an all-woman panel of deplorables we have roaming millennial
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conservative millennial ali stuckey and antonia okafor how wonderful now we were all in college
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relatively recently ali what is the best strategy to stop all of the nonsense on campus okay i'm so
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sorry but i have not heard anything that we've talked about for the past three minutes and so
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i'm still going to need like a little more context i have no idea what this conversation has been so
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far that's fair enough you know i've been here for the last three minutes and i still don't really
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know what's causing all of it uh we're talking about the craziness on college campuses the triply
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puffs yeah and how we know that this the universities that have been successful are the ones that have
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put their foot down and stopped these kids from wreaking havoc so why aren't the other universities
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like yale and mizzou why don't they have adults step up and even just to protect their own jobs
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well i think it's the scariness that identity politics presents because it's not really become
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about what's logical what's right what's wrong anymore it used to just kind of be a given that
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if you were in a position of authority you get to dictate what a student does or does not do but now
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our identities are so tied to these ideas of being tolerant or being empathetic or compassionate all of
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these words that liberals have completely monopolized that we're almost scared to assert any kind of
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definition of right or wrong because everything's relative everything is subjective and it just
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creates this kind of atmosphere and environment of anarchy and that's exactly what we're seeing at
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places like mizzou at yale at harvard when there is no truth everyone lives in this post-truth world
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um and you see the behavior follow suit unfortunately that absolutely and there is also this identity
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issue of the professor and the student those used to be identities that you would have on campus
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and as a student your professor was your better but now there is a notion that we have these other
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intersectional identities that gives some kid the right to shriek profanities at her professor
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yes yes absolutely and you're right the idea of authority has even been blurred every line of
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identity has been blurred whether you're talking about gender roles or politics but especially this
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idea of authority and it used to be that questioning authority was a good thing somewhere where you could
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you could go to a college and you would be intellectually challenged but now instead of going into a classroom
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and expecting to be intellectually challenged by a professor you are intellectually coddled um and
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so not only are we skewing this idea of authority when it comes to administration being able to tell us
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what's right or what's wrong but also when we walk into a classroom as a liberal millennial we expect to be
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able to tell our professors what they should be able to tell us um we the students are the ones who now
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dictate okay this is what i want to hear this is what i want to learn if you say anything outside of what i
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already believe i'm gonna protest and cry about it right the teachers are learning from their students
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right that's the the teachers are there just to learn from these students i know i agree with
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these blurring identities even just these glasses have dramatically blurred the difference in identity
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between me and rachel maddow antonia you are a campus carry activist so if these kids are incapable of
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choosing their own halloween costumes without bursting into tears and throwing temper tantrums isn't that the
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best argument yet to keep guns out of their hands uh i can't tell you how many times i you know i was
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covering in campus issues campus reform i was a campus reform correspondent with leadership institute
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before the campus carry activists um and it's really hard to know what's going on on college campuses
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and then at the same time say well they're not children uh they're adults and just they can actually
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take care of themselves now i will say though the people who are going to actually have a gun on campus
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uh they're not these you know liberal snowflakes i'm going to say that um they're most likely not
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going to have a gun they don't want a gun and they don't want me to have a gun either so i will
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differentiate between those two because most of the time um it's someone who's responsible who can
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take someone else's opinion and accept it and not use their firearm to um to handle the situation
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like these professors believe it's going to happen um it has not happened yet so yeah with that whole
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conversation i think it comes down to um being an adult obviously we're taking these people because
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they think that just because they are intellectually mature enough um they're also emotionally mature
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enough i don't i think that needs to be a part of the equation when they're accepting people and of
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course the the kids who are going to be bringing guns and who are going to be responsible enough to have a
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conceal carry permit are probably not these kids having temper tantrums over their chicken fingers
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but perhaps you know people they always say is there any responsible gun control legislation that you
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would support and absolutely that i would support making sure those kids don't get guns i don't want
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last night president trump gave a bombshell speech luckily he was not blinded from looking at the
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eclipse yesterday which is such a wonderful trumpian move they tell you don't look at the eclipse he just
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stares right at it stares down that fake news media totally fine didn't go blind so he gives this
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speech last night to announce his new strategy in afghanistan let's play it the american people are
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weary of war without victory nowhere is this more evident than with the war in afghanistan my original
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instinct was to pull out and historically i like following my instincts but all my life i've heard
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that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the oval office the consequences
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of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable we will not talk about numbers of troops
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or our plans for further military activities conditions on the ground not arbitrary timetables
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will guide our strategy from now on now breitbart under the new leadership the new old leadership
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of recently departed white house strategist steve bannon is hammering trump for this they're blaming
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this on mcmaster they're saying that this is more similar to barack obama's strategy than to some new
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plan uh roaming is this the beginning of the long-awaited left-wing turn for president trump
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well this is something that i actually feel really conflicted about so i'm very much not a neoconservative
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uh i don't believe that we should be exporting democracy i don't believe that we should be nation
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building and that's something that president trump campaigned against and you know to be fair that
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it's something that he said that we weren't going to be doing in this speech right he said this is not
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going to be nation building however sounds a lot like nature building um which is which is hard
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because you know if you actually listen to what the generals are saying and you know obviously they
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should know best about the situation they don't want a immediate and full withdrawal and you know
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we see you looking at isis what happens when the u.s kind of leaves and creates a power vacuum in
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these i think what we don't want right now is to take our really bad situation and create
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you know isis part two so i mean it's hard because i feel like right now everyone is criticizing trump
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right the left the right um there's this weird unity between the neocons the liberal war hawks right now
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and then everyone else is kind of saying no and what makes everything about the spider's
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right that he's not really telling us what the specifics are um so that's a kind of non-answer
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question but i think that actually encompasses what people are feeling right now i totally understand
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that and i agree i'm i'm not criticizing him for this just yet i'm not sure that this isn't a good
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idea ali is anybody on the right happy with this strategy is there anybody out there who's supportive of
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it lindsey graham i think there are a couple things that at least as a part of this speech there are
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some conservatives that uh are satisfied with this is including myself one that he was strategically
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shrewd he didn't talk about the number of troops he only talked about he mentioned victory four times
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he only talked about one strategy uh that could lead us to victory and that is um being a little bit
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harder on pakistan which i did appreciate and then i also appreciated that for really for maybe the first
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time that he owned that he has evolved in a position from the time from before he took office
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until now that he realized that being in the oval office making decisions is a little bit different
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than making decisions on twitter from the outside i really appreciated that kind of peek into his humility
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and it made me feel like whether you agree with his decision or not that he did very strategically
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and very deliberately um think about the best strategy going forward and something else that i
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appreciated about this that i think other conservatives appreciate too i know paul ryan said it in his
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town hall that we don't want all of this work for the past 16 years that we've done in afghanistan to
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be completely in vain um i don't know exactly what the catastrophic results would be if we completely pulled
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out that kind of seems like the the easiest or the best thing to do right now however however we don't
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want to forsake the goal that we had when we went in in the first place we don't want it all to be for
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not so i appreciated those parts of it whether or not you agree with the strategy and that's a great
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observation about him changing his mind and kind of admitting to it he's obviously changed his mind
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before but this is the first time he said i looked at this a little more closely and my views on this
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have changed i suppose that's that's a change from barack obama and also he hasn't offered timetables
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and a big sign that says terrorists come in in two two and a half months because he he won't let them
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know when we're going to pull our troops out but you raise a good question what is the point here
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antonia what what are we doing we've been in afghanistan for 150 000 years what is the end of
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this war what does victory look like i think that's the whole problem here is that people never knew
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what the end looks like and so people you know barack obama um when he decided okay let's pull out
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well most people didn't like the idea that our actual military had some semblance of foreign policy
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they didn't see that in history working out um and then also strategically that didn't work didn't work
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out anyways because we see like what happened in iraq that didn't work out well um you know places like
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or people like isis just took that place when we left so um or when some when a foreign um a foreign
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country left so i think it's that people are upset with that but more on the libertarian side i think a
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lot of libertarians are upset just because that was the one thing with donald trump that they could
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you know get behind you know that he was going to finally leave uh we were going to stop the nation
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building i mean i also think that there's a lot of criticism still with him saying that it's not
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nation building that it's you know it's um eliminating terrorists i think a lot of libertarians
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are still believe that's still nation building um so i think with the conservatarians the young
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generation that tend to lean more libertarian especially on this issue i mean he's gonna have
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a hard time and in the future it's gonna be brought up when he is running for president again of course and
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much like his predecessor who ran against war he uh it's a little more complicated with barack obama
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because he decided that iraq was a bad war and afghanistan was a good war for some reason
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but much like his predecessor who ran against war it seems that president trump when he looks at
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geopolitics is understanding that we need to have a military presence in more places that he would
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perhaps prefer roaming is this just more obama are we getting barack obama's third term in foreign policy
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well i certainly hope not and like ali mentioned the fact that he is keeping some things that are
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more strategic private you know not announcing to our enemies hey bt dubs if you just sit tight until
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this date we'll be gone so you can you know kind of do whatever you want i think that is an improvement
00:25:53.120
however um you know whether it's obama or bush i think the the us in terms of its military presence
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right now has hasn't been able to kick the urge to engage in nation building and what's funny is
00:26:05.120
that if we look at places like europe post-world war two or you know even south korea there are
00:26:11.600
success stories of nation nation building you know it can be done but the thing is it takes decades it's
00:26:17.760
not a four-year thing it's not a six-year thing as we've seen in afghanistan it's not even a 16-year
00:26:22.080
thing so i think trump when he's looking at this he really needs to ask himself
00:26:25.920
how long does he think the american people need to be committed to supporting afghanistan i mean
00:26:32.160
obviously obama thought longer like he said before for some reason iraq that was decided
00:26:37.680
well but that's something that the president actually needs to ask himself because i mean if
00:26:41.920
he doesn't end it now i there's a very small chance the next president is going to end it if we look at
00:26:46.800
what's happened for the past 16 years and they don't even have oil that's the worst part we can't
00:26:51.600
even take the oil it's sad right what's the point so a new survey out of rand is showing that two
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thirds of u.s workers experience mismatch between their desired working environment and their actual
00:27:03.440
working environment the uk found uh found that a supportive boss can cut down the amount of hostile
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workplace interactions by half now this reminded me of an appearance i made on the ben shapiro show
00:27:16.640
can we play that four hundred dollars for michael moles i gave him four to one odds uh for a hundred
00:27:23.600
dollars and i'm gonna write i'm gonna write here in the data line for ignoring data
00:27:32.800
and then i'm gonna just hand this over you we'll take a picture for the cameras really incredible there
00:27:36.800
we go thank you absolutely i've been wondering why my health has been feeling like that i guess
00:27:52.560
i gotta talk to ben about that maybe i'll go to a doctor now it occurs to me that all of us spend
00:27:57.440
most of our work days talking into a camera but that means probably that we have no expertise on
00:28:02.640
this issue at all and that has never stopped us at the michael knowles show from pontificating about
00:28:07.120
something so ally is work getting harder or are workers getting softer okay that's a great question
00:28:14.160
but let me tell you the part of this article that bothered me the most and maybe you're going to get
00:28:18.800
to this so i'm sorry if i'm jumping the gun i defer to you in all things that bothered me the most was
00:28:25.120
that it looked at okay is it better to be in a job where you're not happy or this unhealthy work
00:28:31.040
environment or is it better to be totally unemployed i think it's i think it's that the
00:28:37.600
worker is getting softer because what the argument that they made is that it's not necessarily worse
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to have no job that you might be psychologically better off not having a job and living off your
00:28:48.560
welfare check than actually making money for yourself that is so sad to me that that is our
00:28:54.080
highest priority that people are psychologically content and happy and that they're not challenged at
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all whether they have a job or not that they're actually almost encouraging unemployment for your
00:29:04.320
well-being rather than making a living that's where our priorities are as a society and that makes me
00:29:10.080
really sad and they're not the first people to do this people have been talking a lot of tech giants
00:29:14.160
are talking about this but even conservatives like charles murray are talking about in our new
00:29:19.360
economy where we'll have more wealth generated by fewer people maybe we need a universal basic income
00:29:26.400
where people stay home and they get paid by the government not to work antonia is this an
00:29:31.840
argument for the universal basic income because i noticed that i can't sit around and drink martinis
00:29:36.480
here and watch reruns of all in the family but i can do that when i'm not working is that a good
00:29:40.800
argument oh yeah i still remember when i interned in the senate in 2014 and uh one of the committee
00:29:49.520
hearings they're like oh my gosh i'm so glad obamacare is happening now you know we only have to work 30
00:29:55.360
days a week now that you know that mom i think actually people talk about this too like that
00:29:59.680
mom who's been wanting to like start you know like that knit like that knitting business or something
00:30:04.640
can finally do that now she can finally do that because at 40 it was just too much for her um i put
00:30:10.560
my knitting business off for years exactly i mean everyone knows that's so 90s there's no profits in
00:30:17.360
that the margins are so slim um so exactly i mean that's the whole point is that people are rewarding
00:30:25.200
those who don't work um i think it's hard because we see people like mark zuckerberg and um you know
00:30:32.000
and bill gates and these people who and see jobs who if you look at their history they actually like
00:30:38.160
left school uh and use that free time in order to be able to to start their businesses i mean that's
00:30:45.360
great if you went to harvard or you know michael he went he went to yale i mean you can write books
00:30:50.000
where you don't actually do not encourage him luckily i was able to leave before all the triggly
00:30:54.720
puff and the shrieking happened so if that were going on i probably would have left too oh really
00:31:00.000
okay yeah we'll see i have a feeling that's not that's not what happened but this you and your like
00:31:07.360
i said before your ivy league privilege unless you have that ivy league privilege then you should be
00:31:12.480
working and working full time and stop lowering the the hours as if it's going to help anything
00:31:19.200
it's not if you don't have an idea by now it's it's probably not going to go into fruition
00:31:23.040
i remember sounds like you're trying to oppress the proletariat there i don't know about that
00:31:28.480
oh oh i i think i'm fine that's antonia's full-time job is just oppressing the proletariat
00:31:34.240
but this does remind me during the obamacare debates one of the arguments well i think nancy
00:31:39.040
pelosi said this that now you've always wanted to go be a poet but you have to do your job to
00:31:44.320
get health insurance and now you can you can finally be a poet and she must have forgotten that
00:31:50.320
all poetry now is terrible and most people are certainly terrible poets that it brings up this
00:31:56.800
interesting question from the earliest human civilizations until about five minutes ago work
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was considered to be central to the human condition god makes adam work in the garden of eden
00:32:08.320
and now are we viewing work differently as a society roaming what do you think well actually
00:32:15.040
uh before i started youtube i was doing a lot of work in human resources management and strategic
00:32:20.000
leadership so this is actually something i have many many opinions about and if you look at a bunch
00:32:24.800
of surveys like like you said rand does some uh shurm also does some millennials look for way
00:32:31.120
different things than previous generations did right i mean millennials have a much higher standard in terms of
00:32:36.640
work-life balance they're also less technically loyal to companies right there's a lot more turnover
00:32:41.280
millennials aren't going to say i have no loyalty to the daily wire not one bit i'm taking i've sent
00:32:46.000
out my resumes every day exactly right we're in it for ourselves we'll take whichever job has the most
00:32:52.160
benefits and the least working hours and i think this is kind of a testament to capitalism the fact that
00:32:58.480
this is even possible due to you know different skills and labor sources but at the same time it has
00:33:04.720
made us especially us millennials very lazy and you know with this talk like you said about universal basic
00:33:12.080
income that's actually one of the worst ideas i've ever heard um like turning all money into plato is
00:33:18.480
as bad of an idea in my head like those those are equally equally crazy things that's true reminds me
00:33:24.880
during uh breaks from college or vacation from work or something for the first two or three days i'll
00:33:30.560
feel great and i'll drink my little martini and watch my own family reruns and i feel good my body feels
00:33:35.840
good by the third to fifth day i have melded with the couch i have become part leather and part cushion
00:33:43.680
and i can't move i'm on the brink of death there has to be something good for man about working i think
00:33:51.520
that's why that's why it's talked about in genesis but i don't know i don't when i am working i'd like
00:33:56.960
to be doing something else a terrible conflict in the heart of man speaking of people who've worked
00:34:02.640
a lot and made a lot of money treasury secretary steve mnuchin uh his wife the scottish actress louise
00:34:08.240
linton has gotten into instagram fights recently over her glamorous lifestyle and this is causing trouble
00:34:14.560
for steve uh i for one i'm shocked of course that an ex-goldman sachs now treasury secretary's
00:34:21.200
rich gorgeous actress wife might be out of touch with the american people but she wrote on instagram
00:34:27.280
quote do you think the u.s government paid for our honeymoon or personal travel la la la have you
00:34:32.240
given more to the economy than me and my husband either as an individual earner in taxes or in
00:34:36.640
self-sacrifice to your country i'm pretty sure we paid more taxes toward our day trip than you did
00:34:42.080
this was in response to some woman taking issue with her traveling on a plane for some business trip with
00:34:48.080
her husband ally does she have a point okay well i did not like i i don't like period people bragging
00:34:58.400
about their various possessions or their wealth on social media that's just a personal preference
00:35:02.960
especially when you hashtag all of your designers like i would love for like a common person like me
00:35:08.000
to do that like hashtag target hashtag walmart hashtag maybe yeah hashtag maybe hashtag gap to see what
00:35:14.240
people say so was this braggadocious absolutely was it kind of inappropriate and tactless for the wife
00:35:21.040
of um a government employee yes but she does have a point does the government pay for their personal
00:35:28.080
trips no does the government pay for their work trips yes this wasn't a day trip this wasn't a vacation
00:35:34.000
this was part of work and and yes we do pay for that um i mean i kind of like that she claps back a
00:35:40.560
little bit even though i didn't like her original post yeah i can see that antonia as a public
00:35:46.000
official and that that is the difference that ally's talking about the public life and the private
00:35:49.680
life but as a public official does steve mnuchin need to reign his wife in and reign his family in
00:35:55.600
or should we say that criticizing politicians family members is off limits and kind of stupid
00:36:02.160
well first i want to you know address this that ally has triggered me twice today first of all she is
00:36:08.560
wearing hoop earrings um second of all she does use clap back um so i i'm so sorry all right let's get
00:36:17.040
her arrested by the appropriation police this is i didn't even thank you for bringing that to my
00:36:20.800
attention antonia disgusting awesome awesome thank you ally we'll discuss this later on twitter
00:36:26.720
okay and i will get black twitter on you i will put black twitter on no no they're just not starting
00:36:33.200
to like me no they hate me so it's okay um but yeah basically it's the same thing i saw that uh what
00:36:40.880
the instagram uh post and i just think it really just shows the core of where unfortunately where our
00:36:47.680
society is going in america where we are so it's so easy for us to go and attack someone because they have
00:36:55.680
money like i'm actually disagree with ali i am okay with someone bragging why it's because it's
00:37:01.120
social media i mean everyone literally is a narcissist that's what it's made for right yeah
00:37:07.280
there to show how amazing i am or people are so um if she feels like she's amazing because she's just
00:37:13.840
dropping those like you know that that thousand or thousands please thousands on her uh for me's and
00:37:20.320
is that how you say it i don't know i don't have that bag but um all of those great designers
00:37:25.760
okay that's something for people to aspire to i love it when she's like oh what about those people
00:37:29.680
in africa okay let me talk to my mom um who's african who's nigerian and she's gonna be like yeah
00:37:36.320
that's the reason why i came to america so i could aspire to be like that person yeah that's why i moved
00:37:42.160
somewhere changed my life try absolutely the american dream i mean i think that still exists
00:37:49.120
so that's what i see when i when i hear stuff like that just why don't you look at it as something to
00:37:54.480
aspire to you know to to get out of i didn't you know my parents didn't come to america to be mediocre
00:38:00.560
so i mean that's the whole thing my family did they did explicitly aspire to mediocrity probably
00:38:05.600
the exception not the rule but uh different strokes for different folks roaming the one percent
00:38:11.360
of top one percent of income earners pay 50 of federal income taxes the top 20 of income earners
00:38:17.600
pay 85 of income taxes and that's a little bit what this woman was talking about how she pays much
00:38:23.760
more in taxes than the woman who's criticizing her should americans lay off the class envy and just be
00:38:30.560
happy that we don't have to pay a much higher tax burden because the rich pay all the taxes
00:38:35.600
definitely and don't get me wrong i thought her original post was not very humble not very weak
00:38:42.240
but you know that's one's comment i did i did think it kind of crossed the line right i mean like
00:38:47.440
i think her name louise mentioned they're independently wealthy right they haven't gained their wealth through
00:38:53.120
this government job uh her is not paid for by taxpayers so i don't really think it's in his business
00:39:00.080
that being said i think overall this story's kind of been hyped up but really it's just women being
00:39:05.120
catty on instagram it's nothing big that that's the only reason i log on to instagram is to watch
00:39:10.720
women be catty with one another but you're right it isn't like the clintons you know this is steve
00:39:15.120
mnuchin made his money as a banker and as a film producer louise his wife is a is a scottish film
00:39:21.760
actress so they it's not like they were just trading in government favors to make all of their money
00:39:26.320
right so you know this is a case where i think she was i think she handled it very poorly but
00:39:32.160
she's absolutely right she doesn't have to account to these strangers on the internet for her wardrobe
00:39:37.040
that she's purchased with her own money or her husband's own money i don't i don't know about
00:39:40.960
that yeah something tells me the latter but sure yeah it's there are there are a couple now man and
00:39:45.440
woman have joined together to make one flesh you do you louise that's that's what we say on our panel
00:39:50.560
okay i've got to say goodbye to the first and hopefully eternal all-female panel of deplorables
00:39:56.240
we have antonia okafor conservative millennial alay stuckey and roaming millennial now it is time
00:40:09.040
college students have always acted like idiots since first causing trouble in 11th century bologna
00:40:15.280
even medieval university students were criticized for drunken debauchery and gambling and chasing
00:40:20.640
women of ill repute and ignoring their studies and oh god those bright college days i love them so much
00:40:26.720
the difference then of course and even until the past few years is that university administrators
00:40:31.680
used to stop the kiddies from pursuing their worst impulses there used to be adults in the room
00:40:37.040
unfortunately today the generation that broke american academia in the 1960s are now running the show
00:40:43.120
the lunatics are running the asylum and once great institutions of learning will continue to garner
00:40:48.720
lower and lower returns and the students that attend them will garner lower and lower returns
00:40:53.600
until the adults re-emerge to firmly defend order and rigor on campus with that i'm michael
00:40:59.120
knolls this is the michael knolls show come back tomorrow we'll do it all again
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