Ep. 1423 - Tucker's Putin Interview Summarized In 8 Mins
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Joe Biden can't remember his own name, but he's not going to be charged with a felony because he's so senile that a jury would have a hard time convicting him of a felony that requires a serious state of mind.
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Imagine, if you will, that two world leaders are fighting a proxy war.
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And one of those leaders remembers every historical event since AD 862 in meticulous detail.
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And the other leader can't remember when he was vice president eight years ago.
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This, you would agree, would not be an ideal situation for citizens of the latter leader's
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country. And sadly, both sides of that hypothetical were on full display last night.
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That is Knowles, K-N-W-L-E-S, to 989898. Before I get to the Tucker interview with Vladimir Putin,
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before I get to the disastrous Biden press conference, before I get to the Supreme Court
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hearing the Colorado case about why they want to kick Trump off the ballot there,
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they don't even want him to appear on the ballot in Colorado, and Justice Clarence Thomas totally
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destroyed that liberal lawyer. Before we get to any of that, the special counsel report has come out.
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There was a special counsel investigating Joe Biden because Joe Biden improperly handled
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classified documents. The same thing that they're trying to put Trump in an orange jumpsuit for,
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Joe Biden did with less authority to do it because when he mishandled those documents,
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he was not the president of the United States. He did not have ultimate declassifying authority.
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He had a lot more documents in a lot more places, it would seem. And finally,
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we've gotten a result from this special counsel, and the result is Joe Biden did all the stuff that
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they accused Trump of doing. Frankly, did a more egregious version of all the stuff that they accused
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Trump of doing. But because he is so old and senile, they are not going to prosecute him.
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Because he is basically not fit to stand trial, he will not be prosecuted.
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According to special counsel Robert Herr, Biden, quote, willfully retained and disclosed
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classified materials. So why aren't they going to prosecute him? Because, quote,
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we have also considered that at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury,
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as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man
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with a poor memory. It would have been brutal to Biden had the special counsel actually prosecuted
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him and put him on trial. That was never going to happen. In a way, this report is almost more
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brutal because they're saying the guy basically can't remember his own name. The reason they're
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not prosecuting him is because it would be like prosecuting a child or an animal. This is someone
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who's just not in command of his rational faculties. The special counsel goes on,
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based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom
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many jurors will be able to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury
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that they should convict him by then a former president well into his 80s of a serious felony
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that requires a mental state of willfulness. The man who is currently running for re-election
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as president of the United States, as multiple wars are breaking out that could lead to a global
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conflict, war in Ukraine, war in the Middle East, an open border with a flood of millions and
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millions of foreign nationals pouring into our country. The president does not have a mental state
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of willfulness. According to the special counsel, Biden's memory was worse during an interview with
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him than it was in recorded conversations that go back to 2017. And when I say worse, I don't mean
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it like he didn't remember the details of some Senate negotiation from 1978 when he was first
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elected to the Senate back in the 70s. I'm not talking about the 70s or the 80s or the 90s or even
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really the 2000s. I mean, quote, he did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first
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day of the interview when his term ended. Apparently, this is the direct quote. If it was 2013, when did I
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stop being vice president? Direct quote from the report. And forgetting on the second day of the
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interview when his term began. In 2009, am I still vice president? Direct quote. He also did not remember
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when his son Bo died. He also did not remember a debate about Afghanistan. He did not remember even
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within several years when his son died. So I see why they would say he's a sympathetic person. I
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have had grandparents who have gone through this kind of mental decline. Many of you have had
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grandparents or parents that have gone through this kind of mental decline. You know exactly what
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this is like. And especially if you know an elderly person who's experienced some kind of trauma like
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a child dying. It can be very disorienting. It can accelerate a kind of a mental decline. But when we
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say, oh, he's losing a step or two, we're not talking about him speaking a little bit more slowly or
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taking a moment to remember certain dates and numbers. We're talking about he doesn't remember within
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years some of the most important events of his life. He doesn't remember when he served as vice
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president. Absolutely brutal. So that's the president of our country. Then the hours after
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that special counsel report came out, we saw the president of another country whom many call our
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number one geopolitical adversary. That would meet President Vladimir Putin doing an interview with
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Tucker Carlson. The interview was spectacular. Tucker did a great job. Vladimir Putin did a great job.
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Vladimir Putin begins the interview by answering Tucker's simple question, namely, why did you invade
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Ukraine? With a roughly 1,200 year history of Russia and Ukraine and Lithuania and Poland involving
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persons, involving specific years, involving pivotal events, off the top of his head from memory?
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Let's look where our relationship with Ukraine started from. Where did Ukraine come from?
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The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year of the
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establishment of the Russian state in 862, when the townspeople of Novgorod invited a Varangian prince, Rurik,
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from Scandinavia to reign. In 1862, Russia celebrated the 1,000th anniversary of its statehood,
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and in Novgorod, there is a memorial dedicated to the 1,000th anniversary of the country.
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I'm just playing a very tiny piece of this. It goes on for about half an hour. During most of the time,
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Tucker's just got perfect Tucker face looking at Putin, you know, and he'll interrupt occasionally,
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because Tucker said, well, I feared he was just trying to filibuster, but then I realized he wasn't
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trying to filibuster. Vladimir Putin realizes that no one in the West knows any of this history,
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certainly of that region. We don't know much history about our own region and our own country anymore,
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and if you want to understand modern political events, it helps to have historical context.
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We've just totally forgotten our history. We think that history began yesterday. This is a consequence
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of liberalism, political liberalism, which denigrates the past, says the past doesn't really matter,
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has a utopian view of the future. They're not very liberal over there in Russia. They're not liberal
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in China. They're not liberal in most parts of the world. It's a particularly American and more broadly
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Western phenomenon. Putin was extremely impressive last night, but it's not that Putin is the greatest
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statesman who's ever lived. He's a very talented statesman. There is no question about that.
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We used to have statesmen like this too. We used to have statesmen who had studied history,
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who understood geopolitics and grand strategy, who had a realistic view of how nations develop.
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We used to have that, and we lost that somewhere. But that did exist in the West.
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Even in recent American memory, Richard Nixon could talk like this.
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Frankly, to some degree, George W. Bush could talk like this. Putin makes this point in the
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interview. He says, people all made fun of Bush for talking like an idiot, but Bush was actually a
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pretty sophisticated thinker, and he and I would have pretty serious conversations.
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But someone like a Nixon could talk like this. Eisenhower could talk like this.
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Earlier statesmen understood statecraft. Now we don't. Now for us, it's all just kind of a joke.
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It's all just shallow, modern political ideologies. This kind of talk though, everyone wants to say
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Putin, he's the worst guy ever. He's just Hitler 2.0, whatever. Every bad person is Hitler.
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So say the people who don't even know that much about Hitler. Every historical event is the fall
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of Rome. These are people who don't even know that much about the fall of Rome. It's so profoundly
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shallow. And it seems to me that if you want to understand and perhaps work your way out of a
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political conflict that might threaten World War III, it helps to see things from the other person's
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point of view. Isn't that what the liberals tell us all the time? You just need to understand
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everyone else's point of view and walk a mile in their shoes. Except when it comes to our
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geopolitical adversaries with whom we're currently engaging in a proxy war. I don't think so. Very
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gets to the argument for going into Ukraine today, and that would be denazification.
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We haven't achieved our aims yet, because one of them is denazification. This means the prohibition
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of all kinds of neo-Nazi movements. What is denazification? What would that mean?
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You say Hitler has been dead for so many years, 80 years. But his example lives on. People who
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exterminated Jews, Russians and Poles are alive. And the president, the current president of today's
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Ukraine, applauds him in the Canadian parliament, gives a standing ovation. Can we say that we have
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completely uprooted this ideology if what we see is happening today? That is what denazification
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is in our understanding. We have to get rid of those people who maintain this concept and support
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this practice and try to preserve it. That is what denazification is. This is a brilliant answer
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from Putin, because it's both extremely cynical and has a profound degree of truth to it. It seems like
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those two things are in conflict. But it's cynical in that Putin knows that for the West,
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Nazism is the worst thing possible. The West no longer believes in God. The West no longer believes
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in the devil. But the West does believe in the incarnation of evil, in the figure of a mustachioed
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Austrian painter who became a German dictator. That is the symbol. We don't believe in devils anymore.
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We erect statues of demons and Satan in our state capitals, ironically. We have politicians giving
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impassioned speeches on the rights of Satanists, okay? But there is a devil. The replacement devil
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is just Hitler. So we know that is the symbol of absolute evil in the West. And Putin says,
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yeah, Ukraine, they're Hitler people. They're Nazi people. And that's why we want to denazify. It's like
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saying we want to de-evilify Ukraine. He knows that's going to play well in the West. And Tucker says,
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haven't we had enough Hitler? Hitler's been gone for a long time. And Putin says, well, what about
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that Ukrainian soldier that was applauded in Canada who worked with Hitler? Because if you're going to
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fight the Russians in Ukraine in World War II, that means you're working with Hitler because the war was
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between Hitler and the Russians. Okay. Now, at a deeper level, it's not just cynical. It's not just
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him playing on the talking points of the West. Because he's saying that Ukraine has been a long
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contested territory. It was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for a while. It was
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part of Russia for a while. But then in the 19th century, and especially in the 20th century,
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there was a movement for Ukrainian nationalism and independence around the same time that you
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saw nationalist movements take hold all over the world. And this intensified during the 20th century,
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during World War II. And so Nazism does become an expression of a Ukrainian national identity that's
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anti-Russian by the sheer historical fact that the Nazis fought the Russians in World War II.
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And we do know that there are some neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine, like the Azov Battalion,
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which has been much written about. So there's a real level here. Denazification of Ukraine
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is an important priority for Russia, not just because the mustache man is evil, but because
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Nazism is an expression of Ukrainian independence from the Russians. Very subtle point, as there are
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many subtle points from Vladimir Putin. And then, I'm skipping over hours of footage, but Tucker then
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ends the interview in a very bold way, asking for the release of a Wall Street Journal journalist,
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who is an American, from Russian prison. Here's Putin's answer.
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I'm just going to ask you one last question. And that's about someone who's very famous in the
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United States, probably not here. Evan Gershkiewicz, who's the Wall Street Journal reporter. He's 32.
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And he's been in prison for almost a year. This is a huge story in the United States. And I just want
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to ask you directly, without getting into the details of it, or your version of what happened,
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if as a sign of your decency, you would be willing to release him to us, and we'll bring him back to
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the United States. We have done so many gestures of goodwill out of decency that I think we have run
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out of them. We have never seen anyone reciprocate to us in a similar manner. However, in theory, we can
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say that we do not rule out that we can do that, if our partners take reciprocal steps. There is no taboo
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to settle this issue. We are willing to solve it. But there are certain terms being discussed
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via special services channels. I believe an agreement can be reached.
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Another very good answer from Putin. He says, look, you know, sometimes you get our spies,
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sometimes we get your spies. The CIA is talking to FSB. We'll work it out. Even the way he talks
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about the special services. Remember, Putin worked for the KGB. And he says, I work for KGB. I would
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have conversations with my counterparts in America, which is CIA. You know it's a job. It's very, he's
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very disarming in person. He says, maybe we reach a deal, but I'm not just giving you your spy,
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your American spy. We are going to get something out of it. Brutal, brutal interview. Tucker did a
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great job. Putin did a great job. The establishment media obviously didn't want you to see this because
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it cuts through a lot of propaganda and it, and worse for them, it exposes them to be fake
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journalists who don't actually spend a lot of time or effort presenting facts. So this all would
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have been bad enough. The special counsel report with the Putin interview. Then almost inexplicably,
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Biden decides to hold a press conference as if you might not be certain that Biden is mentally
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declining or declined. He says, no, no, no, I got to prove it. So as Putin is demonstrating his
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acumen, his historical precision, his sophisticated statesmanship, Biden comes out and makes a big
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fool of himself. Now, the press conference actually opened up pretty well. You can hear it here.
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How bad is your memory? And can you continue as president?
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Do you know your memory has gotten worse, Mr. President?
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My memory is fine. Take a look at what I've done since I've become president.
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So there were lots of terrible answers from Biden here. I actually thought this answer was pretty
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good. He gets a question from some conservative reporter. It sounds kind of like Peter Doocy,
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but I assume every conservative reporter is Peter Doocy. And he says, how's your memory,
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Mr. Biden, Mr. President? And Biden says, my memory is so bad that I called on you.
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That's a funny answer. That's actually kind of a sharp answer. So his answers were not quite as bad
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as people are saying. Even people are sending a clip around where it seems as though Biden is
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forgetting the church that his son, his late son, Beau attended. I actually felt he was just getting
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kind of choked up with emotion as one would if one son had died. And so that wasn't so bad.
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The bad answers came when Biden confused Egypt and Mexico.
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The conduct of the response in Gaza, in the Gaza Strip has been over the top.
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I think that, as you know, initially, the president of Mexico, Sisi, did not want to open up the gate
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to allow humanitarian material to get in. I talked to him. I convinced him to open the gate.
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I talked to Bibi to open the gate on the Israeli side.
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I talked to him. I said, hey, President Sisi, como estas?
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Donde esta la biblioteca? And then he started speaking to me in Arabic. I had no idea that the
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Mexicans even spoke Farsi. Anywho, I think we solved this Israel-Sweden problem. You know,
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on the border, I think somewhere on the border of Israel and Tibet, we're going to finally solve
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the illegal immigration crisis from Nicaragua. Thank you very much. Not a good answer. That was
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that was a pretty bad lapse. And then when the press calls him out, he he gets angry for months
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when you were asked about your age, you would respond with the words, watch me. Well, many
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American people have been watching and they have expressed concerns about your age.
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That is your judgment. That is your judgment. That is not the judgment of the press.
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No, Mr. President, I am the press. It's bad enough. They say, Mr. President, a lot of people
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are concerned about your age. And he says, no, no, that's your judgment. That answer could have
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been OK. It's still you don't want to be seen as the angry, ornery old man. But but then he goes
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and he says, that's your judgment. That's not the judgment of the press. Oh, wait, you are the press.
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Well, let me call up my my friend CC. He's the president of Canada. And oh, wait, he's where am
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I? Who's the president? Am I the president? Really bad, really bad answers. Really embarrassing,
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unsettling just to see those two world leaders on display. Very unsettling for us. Very sad to see
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what's going on with Joe Biden. The big political takeaway for me. Democrats want to kick him out.
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He does not want to be kicked out. There are all these theories. Oh, Gavin Newsom is going to be
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the top of the ticket. Oh, Michelle Obama is going to replace him at the convention. Oh,
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unless this man is dead or on his deathbed, this man is not giving up power. Maybe some Democrats want
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to replace him. Doesn't matter. This guy is not going anywhere of his own volition. They will have
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to wheel him out of the White House kicking and screaming or stiff as a board because he is not
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My favorite comment yesterday is from Linda Coutier, 1670, who says,
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how exactly does one practice Satanism without Satan? This is the most blatant in-your-face
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lie I've ever heard. Holy God, protect us from these people. Yes, yeah, we should pray to God,
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certainly, and we should avoid Satanism. But the answer is pretty simple, actually.
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Because Satanism is not about getting on your knees and bowing down and worshiping Satan.
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I guess ultimately it is. But the means of Satanism has always been the worship of the
00:25:56.800
self. So if you asked most Satanists throughout history, what do you worship? They would say the
00:26:02.420
self. I mean, it goes back to the Garden of Eden when Satan tells Eve, ye shall be as gods. It's
00:26:06.840
about an exaltation and a worship and an idolatry of the self. And that's what it is today. Even when
00:26:12.680
the edgy Reddit-tier atheists come out and they say, you know, we don't actually worship Satan.
00:26:19.340
You stupid religious theistic idiots. No, we just worship ourselves. Like, uh-huh.
00:26:27.260
Yeah, right. That's how John Milton describes it, too. That's how the book of Genesis describes it,
00:26:32.260
too. Either of which the edgy Reddit-tier atheists have read. I'm very much looking forward to getting
00:26:42.420
to the pro-life Spider-Man. Two stories I've got to get to first. Speaking of presidential elections,
00:26:49.000
Clarence Thomas destroyed the liberal lawyer in the Colorado election case yesterday. It goes up to the
00:26:55.300
Supreme Court. This is the state of Colorado insisting that we, the states, have the right to kick a
00:27:02.400
presidential candidate off the ballot because of the 14th Amendment or something. Justice Thomas
00:27:07.640
knocks it down. It would seem that particularly after Reconstruction and after the compromise of 1877
00:27:18.260
and during the period of Redeemers that you would have that kind of conflict. There were a plethora
00:27:24.360
of Confederates still around. There were any number of people who would continue to either run for state
00:27:31.420
offices or national offices. So it seemed that that would suggest that there would at least be a few
00:27:38.380
examples of national candidates being disqualified, if your reading is correct.
00:27:46.960
Well, there were certainly national candidates who were disqualified by Congress refusing to seat
00:27:51.400
them. I understand that, but that's not this case. I'm right there. I love that. You know,
00:27:58.220
right from this answer that Colorado's got nothing, that these liberals who want to kick Trump off,
00:28:03.660
they've got nothing. You say, well, justice, I don't have any of the sort of examples that you would
00:28:09.260
are asking me for, but here's a totally irrelevant example. And Thomas having none of it goes,
00:28:13.980
yeah, yeah. Sure. I don't care about what you ordered at McDonald's last week, buddy. You don't
00:28:19.720
need to recite the poetry of Robert Frost to me. I'm asking for a very specific answer that pertains to
00:28:24.860
the very specific legal argument you guys are making, namely that the states have the right,
00:28:30.200
based on the 14th Amendment, to boot political candidates they don't like off the ballot. So
00:28:34.300
can you give me any example? We know that this is a Reconstruction-era provision of the 14th
00:28:39.980
Amendment to stop the Confederates from taking over the country. So that would be the time when
00:28:45.680
this kind of provision would be most exercised. Can you give me even one single example of it ever
00:28:51.080
being exercised in the way you claim 150 years later that you, Colorado, have a right to do?
00:28:57.000
And the lawyer says, uh, hummina, hummina, hummina.
00:29:00.300
Did states disqualify them? That's what we're talking about here. I understand Congress would not
00:29:05.700
seat them. Other than the example I gave, no. The states were sending people, uh, that the concern
00:29:11.620
was that the former Confederate states would continue being bad actors. And the effort was
00:29:18.460
to prevent them from doing this. And you're saying that, well, this also authorized states
00:29:23.560
to disqualify candidates. So what I'm asking you for, if you are right, what are the examples?
00:29:30.060
Well, your honor, the examples are states excluded many candidates for state office,
00:29:37.900
Put a pause here. Yeah, man, I know. The states do state things, sure. And the federal government
00:29:45.280
can, though they really didn't, do federal government things. The Congress took some actions,
00:29:51.040
but then they stopped taking those actions. Oh, yeah, sure. Okay. But the case that you're bringing,
00:29:55.640
buddy, is arguing that the states can disqualify a presidential candidate based on the 14th
00:30:02.880
amendment. So you're doing a big soft shoe around this issue. Can you give me one example? No.
00:30:09.340
A number of published cases of states. I understand that. I understand the states controlling state
00:30:16.480
elections and state positions. What we are talking about here are national candidates,
00:30:23.520
but they did not think. It's like Justice Thomas is explaining this to a 10-year-old. He's even
00:30:32.060
showing a great deal of sympathy here and compassion for this lawyer who is being obtuse. He probably
00:30:38.120
knows that he's got nothing, so he's dancing around it. But if he is really just this ignorant,
00:30:42.300
he's saying, no, the states and the federal government are different, and they're treated differently by the
00:30:51.640
law. So the case you're trying to make, sir, is X, Y, and Z. Keep going.
00:30:55.980
I think about authorizing the South to disqualify national candidates, and that's the argument you're
00:31:03.180
making. And what I would like to know is, do you have any examples of this?
00:31:09.480
Many of those historians have filed briefs in our support in this case, making the point that the idea
00:31:15.820
of the 14th Amendment was that both states and the federal government would ensure rights,
00:31:20.200
and that if states failed to do so, the federal government certainly would also step in.
00:31:26.120
I'd like to sort of look at Justice Thomas's question sort of from the 30,000-foot level.
00:31:31.020
I mean, the whole point of the 14th Amendment was to restrict state power, right? States shall not
00:31:37.180
abridge privileges immunity. They won't deprive people of property without due process.
00:31:42.960
They won't deny equal protection. And on the other hand, it augmented federal power under Section 5.
00:31:49.380
Congress has the power to enforce it. So wouldn't that be the last place that you'd look for
00:31:54.600
authorization for the states, including Confederate states, to enforce, implicitly authorized, to enforce
00:32:02.880
the presidential election process? That seems to be a position that is at war with the whole
00:32:12.420
thrust of the 14th Amendment and very ahistorical.
00:32:17.060
Oh, devastating. Because the person you hear at the end there is Chief Justice John Roberts,
00:32:20.780
who's kind of a squish, and he sides with the libs a lot. And even he's coming in and he's saying,
00:32:24.640
yo, Colorado, you got nothing, man. Actually, the provisions you're citing, they would be the last
00:32:31.300
place you'd go to make the sort of argument that you're making. So this, happily, this could be a
00:32:36.380
unanimous Supreme Court decision, for all we know, because Colorado doesn't have a leg to stand on.
00:32:41.920
Could be eight to one. You know, maybe it's, maybe either Ketanji Jackson or Sotomayor
00:32:47.860
side with Colorado. Maybe they're both quite partisan. Maybe it's seven to two. But I think,
00:32:55.780
I think it's pretty clear Trump is going to remain the nominee. And I think it's clear that Biden,
00:32:59.880
so long as he can breathe, is going to remain the nominee. And it's clear that Vladimir Putin is going
00:33:03.640
to remain the president of the Russian Federation. And who do you want going up against that guy?
00:33:10.200
I have a pretty clear answer. So much more to get to, but we've got to divert the rest of those
00:33:15.660
news stories because we have actual news coming on the show. That would be my friend, the pro-life
00:33:21.640
Spider-Man. That would be Maison de Champ. Mason, a man who engages in these kind of daredevil feats.
00:33:31.200
I mean, climbing all sorts of giant buildings. And in this case, we're talking about the sphere
00:33:35.960
in Las Vegas, just ahead of the Super Bowl, to raise money for pro-life causes and to raise
00:33:40.920
attention for pro-life causes. And he's a very impressive young man. Mason, thank you for coming
00:33:45.700
on the show. Thank you for having me on, Michael. Am I right to understand you just got out of jail
00:33:51.800
last night? Yeah, yeah. So it was a crazy experience. A lot of laws were broken by the
00:34:00.540
Las Vegas Police Department. They were detaining me for over three hours without telling me what
00:34:06.740
crime I actually committed. And while I was in handcuffs in the back of the police car, they
00:34:12.100
started debating abortion. So hopefully we can get some lawyers and make the Las Vegas Police
00:34:20.760
Department a pretty large pro-life donor. Wow. You say hopefully we can get some lawyers.
00:34:28.020
Do you currently have a lawyer? Are you in need of a lawyer? Oh, yeah. I have defense lawyers.
00:34:34.140
But I think the way they broke laws, I mean, they arrested every single person that was on the ground
00:34:41.480
for handing out pamphlets. There's this charge that they like to give to pro-lifers. And it seems to
00:34:48.580
only happen to pro-lifers. It's the charge of conspiracy. I mean, they had the worship leader of
00:34:54.920
my church at one point in handcuffs. I'm so glad my grandma didn't come because they would have had my
00:35:00.400
grandma in handcuffs. And honestly, I'm a little worried for you for just having me on this show
00:35:05.560
that they're going to give you a conspiracy charge, Michael. Well, we know that especially under Joe
00:35:11.880
Biden's administration, we know that the cops at the federal level and at the more local level
00:35:18.960
are much tougher on pro-lifers. And we've seen prosecutions via the FACE Act of pro-lifers who are
00:35:26.540
just praying around an abortion clinic. They'll be arrested for violating this bogus 1990s law
00:35:32.440
signed by Bill Clinton. We know that the feds are going in, kicking at the doors of pro-lifers
00:35:41.220
and arresting them for demonstrating outside of a planned parenthood, arresting these guys in front
00:35:46.860
of their seven kids. I mean, just really egregious, in-your-face kind of persecution of pro-lifers.
00:35:53.880
So I'm no surprised that they're going, not surprised at all, rather, that they're going
00:35:57.060
after you. What is the charge against you? They claimed that I damaged over a hundred thousand
00:36:05.520
dollars of their building, which is not true at all. When I got to the top, I planned on climbing
00:36:12.200
down and they got a socket wrench and took off one of the little panels for me to slide through and
00:36:21.600
then immediately put it back on. You know, they invited me inside. I took up their offer because
00:36:27.040
they had a police officer there. And so now we have a felony destruction of property charge
00:36:33.940
and a conspiracy to destroy property charge. When I paid my bail, they took me to the release room
00:36:41.440
and then they immediately took me back to another room because when the DA saw that we had paid the
00:36:46.600
bail, they slapped another charge on. And it wasn't until yesterday morning that my bondsman had seen
00:36:53.760
it. And luckily he's a Christian. So he paid that bail too and got me out of there. We still have three
00:37:00.640
people who are in jail right now, uh, for holding signs and handing out pamphlets basically. Um, but
00:37:08.560
you know, what I'll say, Michael, is I was really happy that when I got out of jail, you know, I
00:37:13.400
climbed these buildings to raise money for women. And that's really where I want to keep the focus on
00:37:18.020
is helping these women and saving these babies. And when I got out of jail, I saw that our fundraiser
00:37:24.060
was filled to the brim and it was a good sign because it made me, you know, reminded me that
00:37:31.220
what we're doing this for is, is worth it. We were able to save a baby because we climbed some silly
00:37:37.800
building. And, uh, you know, so what we did was we extended the fundraiser. And so all of the extra
00:37:45.140
money that we raised, we're going to save another baby with. So when you say, when you say you saved a
00:37:51.100
baby with it, I know you do a ton of pro-life work, but in this, what specifically do you mean
00:37:56.320
with this climb? Yeah. So let them live.org is based around the statistic that 73% of women
00:38:03.680
who have abortions do it because of financial circumstances. And when you go out and sidewalk
00:38:09.080
council in front of an abortion clinic, a lot of women, they simply just ignore you and walk into the
00:38:15.660
clinic and murder their children. And that's a sad thing is that a lot of people seem to forget that
00:38:21.080
these women, they're not going in there to clean their teeth. They're going in there to murder their
00:38:25.400
child. So we have to do anything and everything to keep them from committing this mortal sin as well
00:38:31.860
as support them and save their child. So we offer them, uh, you know, help with rent. Uh, we pay their
00:38:39.540
medical bills. We do anything and everything they need to not kill their child. That's, that's amazing.
00:38:46.600
So is there, is there a particular woman in mind here with this climb or is it just more generally
00:38:52.140
for any woman that you might encounter who has this financial reasoning for why, why they would
00:38:57.820
want to kill their kid? Yeah. So the woman we're helping out this time, uh, she is, her name is
00:39:04.740
Isabel. She is 11 weeks pregnant and she was homeless. So we're getting her an apartment. We're getting
00:39:10.320
her off the streets and we're trying to get her a job and, uh, just helping her out so that she can
00:39:16.100
be independent. I'm not sure whether she wants to keep the baby or put the baby up for adoption,
00:39:21.000
but, uh, I'm just happy that she's choosing life and came to let them live and that enough people
00:39:27.880
were able to pitch in and help support her. So this is, sorry, go on. The narrative is, is that
00:39:35.400
pro-lifers don't do anything to help these women. We're just, uh, you know, pro birth, but it's,
00:39:42.080
it's, it's a bunch of baloney. We, we, we put our money where our mouths are more than any other
00:39:46.720
kind of issue or any other movement. Of course. You always hear this though. You, you, you're only
00:39:51.660
pro fetus. Once the baby gets out, you don't care and you don't care about them. And it's just
00:39:55.420
obviously, uh, undercut by all of the charitable statistics, all of the, the examples of the sort
00:40:02.180
of work that you were doing. This appears to be the most serious charge that has ever been brought
00:40:08.740
against you. I mean, you've been detained after your climbs before, but most people just say,
00:40:12.540
okay, you know, no big deal. Whatever those good stunt, you raise money for a good cause. Okay. Bye
00:40:16.140
bye. Uh, what are you facing? I mean, are you facing jail time? Are you facing some major fine or
00:40:22.020
what, what, what does this felony charge really look like? Yeah. You know, I mean, uh, it's a felony
00:40:29.020
and, and two gross misdemeanors. I I'm sure that they're going to try to slap more on. Uh, luckily
00:40:35.120
my lawyers are going to take care of it. I, they broke so many laws that I'm not worried about the
00:40:40.960
charges at all, but that said, whether they want to throw me in jail and that's what ends up happening.
00:40:48.260
As long as we can save a baby, I'm not really too worried, Michael, because like what's happening
00:40:53.380
right now in America is a Holocaust. It's over 70 million babies murdered since Roe v. Wade alone.
00:41:00.480
So if, if me going to jail saves a life, that is literally the least that I can do.
00:41:07.880
It's a really powerful point. Uh, Mason, where can people support you? Either your legal fees or,
00:41:15.200
uh, the, this woman, Isabel, these other women or all of the above?
00:41:19.900
Yeah. They can go to let them live.org and donate and then go follow me on Instagram and
00:41:27.000
YouTube. And it's at pro-life dot Spider-Man at pro-life dot Spider-Man. So if they let you out
00:41:32.100
of the clink and they don't throw you in an orange jumpsuit for having the audacity to try to help a
00:41:36.200
homeless woman and save a baby, uh, what's the next climb going to be? I don't know, Michael,
00:41:41.700
I'm trying to look for one that maybe you could come with me on, you know, maybe I'll support you from
00:41:47.460
the bottom Mason. I'll have a cigar ready for you afterward, but I don't, you know, I was never
00:41:52.840
the most say it again. The Mayflower cigar, the Mayflower cigar. That'll be, that'll be my role.
00:41:59.240
We can all support. Some of us do the more bold and heroic actions. Some of us play more of a
00:42:05.180
supporting role. So I'll be there to, uh, give you a little, uh, relaxing smoke after the climb.
00:42:11.380
I just hope whatever the next big building is, uh, if, if these awful liberal politicians want
00:42:17.840
to punish you for helping a baby, I hope you just climb right out of that jail. You know,
00:42:21.580
I want to see you sort of climbing out like St. Peter, St. Paul, and, uh, and then you can continue
00:42:26.580
your very excellent work. Mason, thank you very much for everything you do and stay strong, pal.
00:42:32.680
And we'll talk to you next time. Thanks for having me on, Michael.
00:42:35.680
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55 0% off your first month. Take it away. Hi, Michael. It's the Shuck Meister. I had a question
00:43:27.680
about your brilliant showing on the whatever podcast. When you go onto these types of shows,
00:43:32.260
are you ever concerned about bringing yourself or your audience into the near occasion of sin?
00:43:37.540
I love that you treat all the women on the panel with dignity and don't dunk on them for social
00:43:41.920
points, but the women you talk to are all dressed pretty provocatively, speak about topics that are
00:43:47.080
intended to tempt certain desires, and there's a bunch of links to very degenerate content in the
00:43:52.500
video description. I appreciate that you're taking the same approach as our Lord who dined with sinners
00:43:56.960
and prostitutes, but said sinners and prostitutes weren't actively advertising their quote-unquote
00:44:02.220
content to a wider audience, particularly people in the creme de la creme who I hope wouldn't fall
00:44:07.420
into those temptations. I'm not trying to be the purity police, but it's just something I'm genuinely
00:44:11.800
curious about, and I wonder if there's a more prudent way to engage with these people. Let me know what
00:44:16.580
you think. Thanks. It's a fear, and I've thought of it, but I ultimately don't think it's too much
00:44:24.480
of a concern. I think it's still worth going on whatever, maybe some other shows. My chief goal
00:44:32.520
when I go on a show like the Whatever podcast is to convince these women to stop doing what they're
00:44:39.960
doing. That's my chief immediate goal, more than any show I'm putting on for the audience. If I were just
00:44:44.740
putting on a show for the audience, I would call the women big dumb idiots, as perhaps some of the
00:44:49.960
other guests do on the show, and probably then the clips would go more viral. My chief objective
00:44:55.760
is to convince these women to stop selling their bodies for sex.
00:45:03.160
Then when one stops going in the wrong direction, one can then turn around, go in the right direction.
00:45:07.920
That's my next goal. Then the general goal of going on a public forum is to convince the other people
00:45:19.080
who are at home that if they're in the woman's position, they should stop doing that, or if
00:45:23.880
they're in the position of the consumer, that they're like weird, creepy cucks for looking at
00:45:30.000
pornography, and they should cut it out because it's degrading to them and is harmful to the women.
00:45:34.420
So to your point, does just even appearing on the show, does that tempt people to subscribe to the
00:45:42.980
girls' OnlyFans websites or whatever? I don't think in particular because much of our conversation
00:45:52.080
chinks away at the facade that they present on their pornography websites. So to give an example,
00:46:00.620
I was talking to some of these girls, and they open up and they say, hey, subscribe to my OnlyFans.
00:46:04.700
We got really hot content, or jiggle around, or whatever. But very quickly then the girls admit,
00:46:10.900
oh, actually, I don't have really good relationships with men. And oh, actually, I have a stalker now,
00:46:16.000
and it's really dark, and I'm not allowed to use my real name. And sometimes I get kind of depressed
00:46:21.020
about it, and I really miss this person that I was in love with, and I can't get that back.
00:46:26.760
Actually, my life isn't that good, and it's really kind of bad and degraded. And it would seem to me
00:46:34.040
that exposing even porn customers or potential porn customers to the reality of that is much more
00:46:42.940
likely to discourage them from looking at the content than to entice them to look at it. But I
00:46:47.460
agree with you. It's a concern, and therefore requires a prudential judgment. Next question.
00:46:52.400
Hello, my goodness. This is Elmo. That's correct. Now, Elmo doesn't have a question for you. Elmo
00:47:02.560
just heard that you don't know how to talk like Elmo. And everyone should talk like Elmo. So,
00:47:09.860
Elmo will teach you. It's very easy. All you have to do is constrict the back of your throat.
00:47:16.460
You know your uvula? Yeah. You want to send that up into the back of your throat. And then you just
00:47:24.720
want to shut off your nasal passages so that you don't breathe through your nose. And that's how you
00:47:30.740
talk like Elmo. And just to give you an example, Elmo will reveal his real voice so you can see that
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anybody can talk like Elmo. So, this is Elmo's real voice.
00:47:43.300
Hello, Michael Knowles. This is Elmo. And you just learned how to talk like Elmo.
00:47:58.540
Hmm. That's not a bad lesson. My only criticism of your Elmo is it's vaguely Hispanic.
00:48:04.640
You know, but otherwise, it was a very good one. And you did help me to, I think, improve my Elmo
00:48:16.440
Hi, Michael. Love your show. I'm from Colorado. And given the Supreme Court deliberations and the
00:48:24.540
likely outcome that will rule in favor of Trump, do you think that they will unify or divide the
00:48:31.760
country? Thank you. And thank you very much for everything you're doing.
00:48:36.220
Very kind. I think a court decision, even 7-2, but certainly 8-1 or 9-0, would unify the country.
00:48:45.920
Even, obviously, virtually all Republicans and most independents and even a huge number of Democrats
00:48:53.740
believe that the prosecutions of Trump are politically motivated and unjust.
00:49:02.280
Now, we're not even talking about all the prosecutions here. We're just focused on whether
00:49:06.160
the state can kick a presidential candidate off the ballot. I think that's a very, very unpopular
00:49:10.240
view, even among Democrats. So, I think a clear message from the Supreme Court would help to unify,
00:49:16.380
even if a lot of people still hate Trump or whatever. That is going to help to unify the
00:49:22.980
country. It's a low bar because we're saying, okay, you can't just willy-nilly kick people off
00:49:28.640
of the ballot. But that would be a good step in the right direction, and I will take it.
00:49:33.440
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