Ep. 1428 - Corrupt Trump Prosecutor's Hilarious Testimony Fail
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Fannie Willis, who is leading the prosecution against Donald Trump in the Russia case in Georgia, failed to keep her promise to voters that she would not have sex with her employees. As we learned yesterday during that testimony, she did sleep with her employee. And she may very well have gotten the whole case against Trump thrown out of court.
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In 2020, while running for Fulton County DA, Fannie Willis made two promises. Here is why
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she said she was running. Because they deserve a DA that won't have sex with his employees.
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Because they deserve a DA that won't put money in their own pocket when it should go to benefit
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children. Because we deserve better. Now, I'm not sure if you've caught up on this particular
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news story, but it turns out that Fannie Willis, who is leading the prosecution against Donald Trump
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in Georgia, she didn't keep her promises. As she made abundantly clear yesterday during the craziest
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televised testimony I have seen in a very long time. As we learned yesterday during that testimony
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that would have made Judge Judy blush, Fannie Willis did sleep with her employee. She did put
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inappropriate money in her own pocket. And she may very well have gotten the whole Georgia case
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Fulton County, Georgia. She's the one bringing the charges against Donald Trump in the RICO case
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where the Democrats are trying to allege that Trump is some kind of gangster and they want
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to interfere in his reelection. They want to throw him into an orange jumpsuit. Fannie Willis
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testified yesterday in court because a lawyer for one of Trump's associates, who's also being
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prosecuted. This didn't come from Trump himself, but one of his associates who's being prosecuted.
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The lawyer for that person complained that the DA had an inappropriate relationship with a special
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prosecutor and she said, this stinks up the whole case and the whole thing should be thrown out.
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So that's why the DA, Fannie Willis, was on the stand. And from the moment this testimony began,
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little defensive, huh, darling? You seem, uh, you seem a little touchy about that.
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So she opens up and the lawyer is making the point that, you know, there are two sides to,
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to this particular case. And Fannie Willis gets very defensive. She goes, I'm not a hostile witness.
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It's like, well, you know, you're screaming at us. So you kind of seem like you are. No,
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I'm not a hostile witness. He says, no, no, I'm just trying to explain your interests are opposed
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to, to this other person's interests. She goes, no, that other person, these people,
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they're, they're opposed to democracy. That's the tell. The libs do this all the time.
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If we ever question any of their corruption, they say that we're threats to democracy.
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If we ever suggest that perhaps they shouldn't rig the elections and perhaps we should make sure that
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it's citizens who are voting and perhaps we shouldn't let bad actors go around and collect a
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ton of ballots and drop them off at insecure drop boxes. They say, no, no, no, that's a threat to
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democracy. We say, no, we're the ones trying to protect democracy. Every time a fraudulent vote
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is cast, that negates the vote of someone who actually has the right to vote. No, no, no,
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it's a threat to democracy. Okay. Every time you protest, every time you lobby your government,
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every time you express discontent at corruptions, we used to think was an expression of democracy.
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No, no, it's a threat to democracy. Some Midwestern granny takes a selfie at the Capitol,
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threat to democracy. Anytime the people elect a candidate that they like, you know, they elect
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Viktor Orban, let's say in Hungary, the majority of people want to elect him. That's a threat to
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democracy. The majority of Brits vote for the Brexit. That's a threat to democracy. The majority
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of Italians vote for Georgia Maloney. That's a threat to democracy. It's always a threat to democracy,
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even when that's what most people want. Doesn't make sense. So the woman opens up typical line
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because she doesn't have any other arguments to use. She also doesn't seem to understand the words
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that the lawyer is speaking to her. She doesn't, she doesn't understand what adversary and hostility
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are referring to here. So already, you know, man, we're in for a good testimony and we got,
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we got quite a show. The question is, one, did Fannie Willis have an improper relationship
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with the man she hired to be the special prosecutor here? The answer now we know for a fact
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is yes. She's admitted that. Then the question is, did they have a relationship before she hired him
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in this case? She maintains no. So it wasn't an inappropriate favor to her lover who then paid
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her back with all sorts of lavish trips and gifts. She says no. She hired him for the job and then they
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began their romantic relationship, which would be bad enough. But it seems that that's a lie too,
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as her friend testified in court. Do you understand it, that their relationship began in 2019 and
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continued until the last time you spoke with her? Yes. Yes. Okay. So if the relationship began in 2019,
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then obviously it predates the prosecution. President Trump was still president in 2019.
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So that, and that was the least colorful part of the testimony because it wasn't Fannie Willis who
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put on a crazy show. To underscore just how significant that admission is, even the libs on
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MSNBC admitted that is explosive. It's so legalistic centric and yet so important and fascinating.
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Right. Don't let the legalese fool you. This is epic. This is monumental. If things are going in the
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direction we think Fannie Willis lied to the court, it's game over for her. She will be disqualified
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if they had a relationship prior to when they represented to the court. It's a huge deal. I can't
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overstate it. So she lied to the court. This is a woman who's not only a lawyer, she's been a judge,
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she's district attorney now. She lied to the court. Not only did she possibly commit a crime,
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certainly an impropriety as DA with this relationship, and she almost certainly committed
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a crime if she was taking kickbacks from the money that she set aside for her lover. But then she would
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have perjured herself before the court by lying about when this relationship began. But that's not
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even the end of the crimes that she admits. Because the question becomes, we know that the lover bought
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her all these sorts of nice vacations and all these nice dinners and all these trips. So how is Fannie
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Willis going to pretend that that's not a kickback? And she's going to say, well, it wasn't a kickback
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because I paid for my share of it. Even then a little bit dubious. But if she paid for her share,
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okay, fair enough, there should be a record of that, right? For goodness sakes, I have a record
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of basically every cup of coffee I buy when I'm going through an airport. Everything is electronic
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these days. So, okay, Fannie, if you actually paid for half of these expenses, all these lavish trips
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with your boyfriend that you hired to prosecute Trump, then where are the receipts? And her boyfriend,
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You said in the affidavit that you roughly shared travel, though, correct?
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Okay. So this roughly sharing travel, you're saying she reimbursed you?
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And where did you deposit the money she reimbursed you?
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Oh, it was cash. She didn't give me any checks.
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So she paid you cash for her share of all these vacations?
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Mr. Schaefer, you'll step out if you do that again.
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Okay. And so all of the vacations that she took, she paid you cash for?
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If you, first of all, if you believe that she actually paid him back, I got a bridge in Brooklyn
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to sell you. But second of all, if you believe, I don't know what's worse. Is it worse that he's
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pretty clearly lying about this? That she didn't, in fact, hand him just thousands and thousands of
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dollars in cash? In what? Envelopes? Like, this is what they got Senator Bob Menendez on.
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It looks like the worst kind of gangster bribes you can imagine. Who's carrying around that kind
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of cash? I don't know if it's worse that she did that and is acting like a gangster, or if it's worse
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Oh, what are you talking about? She didn't. She didn't pay me in Venmo. She didn't pay me on a
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credit card. She didn't pay me in a check. She didn't. No, just fat wads of cash that we apparently
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all have lying around. Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of dollars in cash. Give me a break.
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So they ask Fannie Willis about this. She's on the stand. They say, hold on, hold on. So
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you're dating this guy. You probably were dating him before you hired him to prosecute Trump.
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But even if you weren't somehow, this guy then is making a ton of money. He's completely unqualified
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for the job. You're paying him way more money than he deserves and that other lawyers in his
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shoes would get. And then he starts spending that money on you. But then he insists that you paid him
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back for it. But there's no record of any of this somehow because you were paying him in cash.
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Okay, Fannie, where'd you get the cash? And you could not, if you were writing a dark Hollywood
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comedy about political corruption, you could not have scripted a better answer than this.
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But I always have cash at the house. That has been, I don't know, all my life. If you're a woman and
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you go on a date with a man, you better have $200 in your pocket. So if that man acts up,
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you can go where you want to go. So I keep cash in my house. And I don't keep cash as good in my
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purse like I used to because I don't go on many dates. But when you go on a date, you should have
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cash in your pocket. So my question was, where did that cash originally come from if it didn't
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come out of the bank? Cash is fungible. I had cash for years in my house. So for me to tell you
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the source of when it comes from, when you go to Publix and you buy something, you get $50,
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you throw it in there. It's been my whole life. When I took out a large amount of money on my first
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campaign, I kept some of the cash of that. Like, hold on, hold on, wait, pause, rewind the tape.
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She, so it just, it just shows you what happens when you start telling lies. You have to start telling
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crazier and crazier lies. Or what's worse in this case, perhaps, is that you start,
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you start telling lies to cover up some misdeed. But then in the course of telling those lies,
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you accidentally reveal another misdeed. This woman just casually admitted to embezzling money
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from her political campaign for personal use. Casually, she wasn't even aware of it.
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It was, huh? Where do I, what? Wait, you're asking me why I just have thousands and thousands
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of dollars of cash lying around? Oh, I don't know, man. You know, cash is fungible.
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It's true. I got money is fungible. That's true. It's, she's obviously saying this so that she
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doesn't have to give a source for the cash. You know, if I take $50 out of the bank and then I
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get paid back $50 from a friend and I put it in my drawer, one can't neatly say, well, this is the
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50 from my friend and that's just all money. It goes together. But then when she's pressed on the
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question, because the lawyer doesn't want her to evade it, she actually gives the worst answer
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possible, which is, huh? Oh yeah, I embezzled the cash from my campaign. I am so, I am so thoroughly
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corrupt that I, my excuse for my other corruption is to casually admit to a very significant crime.
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The funniest part of all of this, zoom out a little bit here so you don't miss the forest
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for the trees. The case that Fannie Willis is bringing against Donald Trump is a RICO case.
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It's the case you bring against the mob. It's for racketeering. It's for all the stuff. What does
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the mob do? The mob goes around, mob deals in cash. Mob doesn't swipe credit cards, okay? You go to the
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Bronx. Most of the mob has been wiped out in New York because of Rudy Giuliani. But you go, sometimes
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you see a few wise guys. They're dealing with cash, okay? And they're going around and there's
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influence operations and they all got weird romantic relationships and they're all just
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trying to impose their political will, usually absent reason, certainly absent the law on their
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opponents. And well, what do you know? Not only did Trump not do any of that, but this woman did.
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And so did her lover and so did this whole crooked establishment. And it's so a part of the fabric
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of their political operation that she would just casually admit to significant crimes.
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So she's got all the cash. She keeps it in her house because she embezzles from her campaign.
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And then he tells me how much it is and I give him the money back. I don't, just like you're asking
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me about the money with Robin. I don't do my friends like that. So if you tell me it's a G,
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then you're going to get a thousand dollars. Whatever it is, I didn't ever make him produce
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receipts to me. Whatever he told me it was, I gave him the money back.
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This is the district attorney who's trying to imprison the leader of the Republican Party,
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the former president Donald Trump. This is the great legal mind that is going to upset
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centuries of American legal precedent and tradition to transform our country into a banana republic,
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a tin pot dictatorship on this novel legal theory that you should throw the former president and the
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current leader of the opposition into prison. And I assume here she's quoting from Blackstone's
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commentaries. I think it's a book one chapter 15 in which Blackstone writes, I don't do my friends
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like that. You tell me it's a G, you're going to get a thousand dollars. That's it. That is about the
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height of legal theory that will take us to the Trump prosecution. Obviously, Fannie Willis should
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be dismissed from this case. Obviously, her boyfriend should be dismissed from this case.
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Obviously, at least Fannie Willis, maybe her boyfriend as well, should be prosecuted for the
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crimes that Fannie Willis accidentally admitted to on the witness stand yesterday. But most importantly of
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all, this case against Donald Trump needs to be thrown out of court. This is a complete farce.
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This is a major embarrassment, not only for this woman, not only for the whole Fulton County DA's
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office, not only for the Democratic Party. This is a major, major embarrassment for the United States.
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If they have any self-respect whatsoever, they will throw this out immediately.
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mentally disabled than white veterans already. But that's not good enough for DEI in the White
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disability diagnoses at nearly twice the rate of white veterans, that's not enough. That number
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needs to be even higher. Is this not the perfect symbol of modern liberal culture?
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They want equity. And equity, as we've discussed many times, is a utopian goal that is actually opposed
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to human nature. It can never happen. And that's why the equity initiatives always lead to so much
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suffering and political disorder. But let's say it were possible. Let's just engage in that little
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The one way to achieve equity would be to bring everybody up. You encourage people, you help them
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Da, it is because I do not do very many impressions. Da, Tucker, don't you understand, Tucker, that I
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want to suck your blood? So that's my Putin, man. That's it. I apologize to the president of the
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Russian Federation. I do not want any polonium to end up in my leftist-tears tumbler. All due respect,
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great respect to you, Mr. Putin. Okay, speaking of military engagements over on the other side of
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the world, really troubling story coming out of Armenia. Armenia is warning that Azerbaijan is
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planning a full-scale war. This would be an enlargement of a conflict that has been simmering
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for some years now called the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. This is between Azerbaijan, a Muslim nation,
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and Armenia, which is the oldest Christian nation in the world. Armenia has been officially a
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Christian nation since the year 301. That is a dozen years before Emperor Constantine's Edict of
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Milan, tolerating Christianity throughout the Roman Empire. Christianity first arrived in Armenia
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in the year of our Lord, 40. Not 540, not 240, not 140. Forty. Seven years after the resurrection.
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Armenia has been Christian for a very long time, and Armenians have been the victims of persecution
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for a very long time. Famously, infamously, Armenians are the victims of the Armenian genocide,
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which took place during World War I, when a million Armenians were slaughtered by the Muslim Turks.
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And Azerbaijan is another version of a Muslim Turkic state. And Azerbaijan now not only wants to take
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this historical land from Armenia, the Nagorno-Karabakh land, but also now launch a full-scale war on
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Armenia. And you're not hearing very much, if anything, about this because of all sorts of weird
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alliances. Because Putin in Russia has been supportive of Armenia and Iran, which is kind of weird. A Muslim
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nation, Iran is supportive of Armenia as well. But Turkey, which is an American ally, is supportive
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of Azerbaijan. And Israel, an American ally, is supportive of Azerbaijan. But isn't that kind of
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weird? Why is Israel supporting the Muslim nation and Iran supporting the Christian nation? Well,
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foreign policy gets a little complicated sometimes, and there's questions of different resources there,
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and blah, blah, blah. I really don't care. You know what I care about? The oldest Christian nation
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in the world. A people who has been the victim of genocide within about a century, the last century.
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A people that could be wiped out by an aggressive Muslim nation, Azerbaijan. I think that if we're
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involving ourselves as the global hegemon in all sorts of wars that don't seem to have a huge direct
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relation to American interests, we do it all the time and we're doing it right now, I think it would
00:25:38.540
be good if the model of Christian charity, to use the words of John Winthrop in our nation's earliest
00:25:44.600
days, if the model of Christian charity might extend a hand to the oldest Christian nation in the world
00:25:50.320
and prevent these people from becoming the victims of genocide again, and prevent the oldest
00:25:56.300
Christian nation on earth from being wiped off the map. I think that would be a good thing.
00:26:00.600
Some might say, well, we don't want to be involved in any foreign conflicts. That, by the way, has
00:26:05.340
never been my position, as I've made clear. I think my political philosophy boils down to I think we
00:26:09.440
ought to do good and avoid evil. Call me crazy. I'm very old school when it comes to my political
00:26:13.880
philosophy. Not very modern, but I still think that's probably the most defensible political
00:26:19.000
philosophy. Well, here, if you are going to be involved, and we are involved with virtually every
00:26:23.340
nation on earth, this might be a good place to extend that model of Christian charity.
00:26:30.520
Don't say you weren't warned. I think the media are going to block out this conflict.
00:26:34.560
Don't allow it to go by unnoticed. This is a grave injustice that has already been taking place for a
00:26:41.700
while, and a far graver injustice might take place. And if we're going to help out in any of these
00:26:46.300
apparently far-flung foreign conflicts, this might be a good one to do it. Now, speaking of many
00:26:51.520
generations, a man who is my age has just discovered that he's the father of 97 kids.
00:27:02.480
He's doing better than me. And I don't know if it's better, though, exactly, because I don't think
00:27:06.880
he's married. I don't. Something tells me these kids are not all from the same mother. And the thing
00:27:10.760
that tells me is this story about him. The kid, the kid, the man, 33, 34-year-old man,
00:27:17.120
is a sperm donor. He donated sperm, what a euphemism that is, in college. He was a student
00:27:25.940
at Georgia State in 2011. He's now discovered that he has 97 children. Pretty crazy thing to
00:27:35.820
discover. I remember, I was in college at the same time this kid was. And we were all sort of
00:27:40.360
sitting, joking around one day. And we were trying to figure out how much money we could make by
00:27:45.320
donating sperm. And I did the math. Over the course of college, I could have banked $400,000
00:27:51.660
if you keep up at the pretty steady pace of donation, so to speak. And I thought, well,
00:27:59.140
$400,000, that's a lot of money. But no, probably, I don't know, probably not a great idea. I was never
00:28:04.260
really seriously tempted by this financial incentive. But a lot of people have been.
00:28:10.920
I see easily, especially some dumb college kid could eat, oh, yeah, free money. And I go do this
00:28:16.200
thing that probably a lot of college kids are just doing already for free. Okay, yeah, why not? Well,
00:28:21.180
then you discover you have 97 kids. Don't you think you might feel some responsibility for those kids?
00:28:28.160
You got someone out there who looks like you, who is born without a father. Maybe they're born to an
00:28:36.320
adoptive father. Maybe it's a husband and a wife, and the husband's swimmers don't work. And so they
00:28:40.700
use donor sperm. And then maybe they tell the kid, maybe they don't. That's going to give the kids some
00:28:44.980
problems later on. Maybe, though, as is in a lot of these cases, maybe that child is just born to a
00:28:50.620
single mother because the single mother doesn't like men, can't find a husband. So she's just going to go
00:28:54.900
purchase a father for her kid. And then that kid is going to grow up without a father. That's really,
00:28:58.900
maybe the kid is going to be born to a couple of lesbians because the lesbians, they're in some
00:29:04.420
kind of union together and they want to have a kid, but they don't want to do it the right way. And so
00:29:08.020
the kid's going to be born and he's really not going to have a father. He's going to have two
00:29:11.100
mothers and no father. And isn't that wrong? Isn't that right? Beyond that, there's another story
00:29:17.920
just came out of CNN. A woman named Victoria Hill recently learned not only that the man she thought
00:29:24.400
was her father is not her father because the father had a problem with the swimmers. So
00:29:29.000
they went to a fertility treatment specialist. They received donor sperm. They never told the
00:29:33.300
daughter. Turned out the donor sperm came from the fertility doctor himself because he was a pervert
00:29:37.380
because this is a perverse industry where you just buy and sell people like they're commodities.
00:29:42.360
And you want to hear the craziest part of it. She then found out that there were a lot of other
00:29:47.460
people in her town that were her half siblings because they also had donor sperm from this fertility doc.
00:29:53.380
And she found out that her high school boyfriend was really her half brother.
00:29:56.620
So this woman now is dealing with the trauma of having slept in high school with her half brother,
00:30:00.960
a man that she said she could have married, though luckily she didn't in the long run. All of this to
00:30:06.200
say, when I have brought up some of the negative and unintended consequences of things like IVF and
00:30:15.300
surrogacy, this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. And by the way, this isn't even the most
00:30:19.500
extreme terrible version of it. The unintended consequences of this are awful, but it all derives
00:30:27.560
from the same moral error. And the moral error that affects all of the IVF and surrogacy and
00:30:33.860
procreation industry broadly is the error of treating human beings as though they are commodities to be
00:30:41.040
purchased on a free market, of treating children and mothers and fathers as though they're just
00:30:47.020
interchangeable widgets as though they're just objects rather than proper subjects with moral
00:30:54.240
rights and moral obligations. This is what we're talking about. Not good stuff, man. We want you to
00:31:00.480
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00:31:07.140
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Finally, finally, I've arrived at my favorite time of the week when I get to hear from you in
00:32:31.320
the mailbag. Our mailbag is sponsored by Pure Talk. Go to puretalk.com slash Knowles today. Take
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it away. Hi, Michael. This is Molly. My question is if you think kids should be allowed to have
00:32:43.440
smartphones. I have four young kids, and everywhere I look, it seems like kids are younger and younger
00:32:49.400
holding cell phones. I personally didn't have one until high school, and even then, I could only use
00:32:55.920
it to make phone calls after 9 p.m. when the free minutes started. So I'm just wondering how to
00:33:01.520
navigate this as my kids get older, and what age do you think would be appropriate, and if there's
00:33:09.320
No. Your kids should not have smartphones. Next question. No, they shouldn't. They shouldn't have
00:33:16.160
smartphones at all. If you give a smartphone to a boy, he's going to look at porn. Even if he's the
00:33:22.540
nicest little boy in the world, it's going to happen. If you give the smartphone to a girl,
00:33:28.680
she's going to look at all the social media apps, and she's going to develop all sorts of body issues
00:33:33.420
and social issues, and both of them are going to get very depressed. And both the boys and the girls
00:33:38.400
are going to live their lives more and more in virtual reality, which is going to cause all sorts
00:33:45.240
of problems, and it's going to disassociate them from the real communities in which they live.
00:33:50.560
And they're also all going to talk to little boys and girls, and they're all going to get up to no good.
00:33:55.180
Don't do it. If you love your kids, do not give them smartphones. You can give them brick phones,
00:34:01.260
the ones that are kind of like e-readers, where you can give them flip phones. You can give them
00:34:06.060
old Nokia-style phones. I'm not saying you don't want a way to contact your kids when they're out
00:34:10.120
and when they're at ballet class or whatever they do. Do not give your children smartphones. At what
00:34:17.840
age should you give them smartphones? Some parents will say, you can't have a smartphone until you can
00:34:23.120
pay for it yourself. No, the problem with the smartphone is not that the phone is $500. The
00:34:27.840
problem with the smartphone is that it's a portal to hell. So instead of that, you just pick an age
00:34:33.020
at which you think they would be mature enough for it. Maybe that's 17. Maybe that's 18. Maybe
00:34:38.740
that, I don't know when that is, okay, but it sure ain't 12. Next question.
00:34:44.080
Hey, Michael. I've been going out with this girl from church for a while now, and we just talked
00:34:48.920
about the nature of the relationship, whether or not we want to make it official. And we both would
00:34:54.800
like to, but she tells me that there's a possibility she might be moving back to her
00:35:00.080
home state within a year. And I definitely have to stay where we currently live, which is many hours
00:35:07.320
apart. She doesn't know if that's going to be the case, but she says at the moment, it looks like it
00:35:12.200
might be moving in that direction. But she's not sure. So what would you do in this situation? Would
00:35:17.320
you try to stick it out as long as you can? Or would you move on in hopes of not wasting anyone's
00:35:22.800
time? Appreciate the response. Thanks. It depends how old you are. I don't know. Maybe I just missed
00:35:28.660
that in the question. I don't know. Is this the sort of thing where, you know, you're in high school
00:35:31.760
and her parents are moving, so you'll be a little while away for a year, but then maybe you'll go
00:35:36.280
off to college and you could be closer to each other. I don't know. Or is it that you're just
00:35:40.560
both in your twenties and she wants to go to another city and you want to stay in your city or vice
00:35:44.440
versa. And so you're going to be split apart. If it's the former, I don't know, maybe you can kind
00:35:48.420
of stick it out. If you're just both adults making a decision to say, we're going to go into
00:35:52.500
different places, then I don't know. I guess probably you've made your decision there.
00:35:56.480
But if it's young love and you say, we're going to be away for a little while, we're going to go to
00:35:59.180
different colleges or whatever, then I think you might be able to stick it out. I say this as someone
00:36:04.340
who is very, very happy. I thank my lucky stars every day that I married my high school sweetheart.
00:36:10.120
But, you know, we lived in different places. We went to different colleges. And so you could stick
00:36:14.480
it out there. I wouldn't just, if you really love each other and you really could see yourselves
00:36:18.820
getting married, then I don't, I wouldn't just break up because, you know, you'll have to spend
00:36:23.860
a few weeks apart or something, or even a few months apart. But if you, if there's no world in which
00:36:30.420
you end up back together, if there's nothing motivating you to be back in the same place to be
00:36:35.240
together, then, and I guess you've, you've probably already got your answer. You just don't want to admit
00:36:40.900
it. Next question. Hi, Michael, this is Catherine. Lately, I've been reading a bunch of posts by one
00:36:47.480
of your favorite Twitter accounts, Edmund Smirk, who has been talking about the freak right, which
00:36:53.620
has a bunch of conspiracy theories about Taylor Swift, like that her rise to fame has been a psyop and all
00:37:01.360
these theories. And then the anecdote to that, Edmund says, is the girl dead right. And the girl dead
00:37:08.820
right is still obviously conservative, but embraces what he calls Swiftian normality and
00:37:17.000
embraces the idea that Taylor Swift is at least temperamentally conservative. And I was wondering
00:37:24.200
just what are your thoughts about the girl dead right and the freak right?
00:37:29.780
Edmund Smirk, my favorite pseudonymous Twitter account, and I, we must be brothers from another
00:37:35.520
mother. Uh, you know, we think very much on the safe wavelength. This phrase temperamentally
00:37:40.200
conservative is some, as a phrase I've used for 20 years. I remember I said it about my wife,
00:37:46.580
Elisa, who grew up in even a more liberal environment than I did. And I said, well, maybe
00:37:51.860
sweet little Elisa's politics, such as they are, maybe they're more left wing for now or something,
00:37:56.700
but temperamentally she's actually more conservative than I am. I'm more prone to a radical,
00:38:04.140
I don't know, behaviors or plans or schemes. Whereas Elisa's more temperamentally conservative
00:38:10.000
and normal. And that, that can be a really great thing. Politically, we ought to harness that.
00:38:15.140
So yes, uh, Smirk has just suggested a related term to Swiftian normality. You know, Taylor Swift
00:38:21.600
just being a kind of pretty girl who normal people like, and she, she's not like dancing around doing
00:38:26.260
demon, uh, gesticulations and she's not, you know, uh, engaging in pornography in the streets and
00:38:32.200
she's just kind of normal. Uh, the related term is the girl, dad, right? It's just, you know,
00:38:37.540
men who just behave normally and they really care about their daughters and they like women and
00:38:45.280
women like them. And they're not, they're not unlike so many right wingers now in public life,
00:38:51.060
probably not in regular life, but in public life, a lot of right wingers are just saying and doing
00:38:54.880
things that are really bizarre and off-putting, especially to women. Uh, I, my read of the
00:39:01.420
girl, dad, right is that the girl, dad, right, uh, channeling Swiftian normality is, uh, not just
00:39:08.280
woman repellent and is not going to totally alienate voters and, and citizens that we need to get on our
00:39:15.880
side. And I think that's a really great thing. Now I am not, to my knowledge, I am not a girl dad.
00:39:20.160
Now, you know, we've got two boys already, then one on the way, we don't know, we don't know the sex
00:39:25.060
of the third Knowles. Uh, so I don't, I'm, I'm in no way presently to my knowledge, a girl dad, but
00:39:33.520
the girl dad, right, is a very important constituency for any conservative coalition. Next question.
00:39:38.880
You come to Elmo, my girl, asking for a favor. Elmo can't remember the last time you did Elmo a favor.
00:40:01.220
Even though Elmo has entertained you and your children, Elmo never asked for anything.
00:40:08.880
So, it disturbs Elmo. To hear you, Mr. Knowles, mistake my clear Sicilian accent for that of a Latino.
00:40:22.060
Even though you, you yourself are Sicilian, just like Emma.
00:40:28.720
But let's be franky, you never wanted to talk like Emma. Now you're afraid to be in Elmo's debt.
00:40:37.440
I'll see you right on Sesame Street, Mr. Knowles. Until then, bye.
00:41:01.920
Good evening, Mr. Knowles. It's actually morning, Dorian, but maybe you wrote this in the evening.
00:41:05.860
On the subject of intelligent life on other worlds, the probability of intelligent life
00:41:09.840
happening on other worlds has been calculated under a mathematical equation known as the Drake
00:41:13.660
equation. Here we go. The result out of the 400 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy, many of them
00:41:19.060
with their own planets, the number of planets with the potential for intelligent life is roughly
00:41:26.180
Yeah, the Drake equation is totally fake. It's a joke. I don't mean to really criticize, you know,
00:41:31.500
Mr. Drake all that much. But the problem with the Drake equation is it is totally arbitrary.
00:41:38.440
It's just a guess. And the reason that we know that for certain is it just assumes certain facts
00:41:47.680
about the way life develops. When in fact, we know absolutely nothing about the way that life
00:41:53.780
begins. So what the Drake equation, for instance, would say is, okay, you know, what are the number
00:42:00.420
of planets that are a certain distance from a star that are of the proper size that have the proper
00:42:04.640
elements that we know are necessary for life? Okay, yes, there are certain elements that we think
00:42:11.120
today are necessary for life. But we don't know what is sufficient for life. We don't know
00:42:20.820
how you go from inorganic to organic. We don't know how you go from inanimate to animate. We don't
00:42:30.100
know scientifically anything about how life begins. Now, I do know a little bit how life
00:42:36.200
begins. I feel confident. I am fairly confident that the explanation that life begins when God
00:42:42.160
gathers up dust and breathes into the dust and forms man out of clay, I think that is by far the best
00:42:50.300
explanation that we have come up with yet as to how life begins. There have been other scientific
00:42:56.540
attempts to try to figure out the origins of life, but none of them have been persuasive at all.
00:43:02.560
So in order to establish the probability that life would exist anywhere else in the universe,
00:43:07.080
you would first have to know how life begins. And we just don't know that. And the Drake equation
00:43:11.420
doesn't know that either. They just make a bunch of assumptions. They basically just ignore that
00:43:14.480
question. So the numbers that it spits out are completely meaningless. Next question.
00:43:19.760
Hey, Michael, if you read this, I'm in dire need of guidance from the only person who could
00:43:24.620
possibly have genuine advice. Whoa, man, that's a heavy burden. I've been dating this girl for three
00:43:28.940
years and saying she's the love of my life would be an understatement. I was planning on proposing to
00:43:32.980
her this year. Unfortunately, last year, my parents decided to move a hundred or so miles away and I
00:43:38.240
had to go with them. Oh, wow, this is similar to that earlier voicemail back question. Due to the
00:43:42.620
distance and some underlying personal issues on my part, we were apart and have since separated. As you
00:43:46.960
can imagine, it's not a terribly joyful situation. I'm planning to move back very soon and have been
00:43:52.300
working to put an end to the issues I was causing and want to start up our relationship again.
00:43:57.260
You've spoken many times about how you and your wife broke up for a year, more than a year during
00:44:01.220
college, but got back together. How did you navigate that? I feel both hopelessly lost and positively
00:44:06.860
hopeful it will all work out between the two of us. I don't know how to get into a situation in which
00:44:11.640
we can start to work on our relationship again. The last thing I want is to try and have her wanting
00:44:16.340
nothing to do with me. Whenever I feel like my situation is at a loss, I tell myself I cannot lose
00:44:21.640
as motivation, but I don't know what I would do if I actually do lose. And it worries me if you end up
00:44:26.600
reading this and feel like replying in any sort of way, I would be forever grateful. Sure, sure.
00:44:31.020
A very painful situation. You certainly have my empathy. It depends a little bit on time and age.
00:44:39.680
So I don't know if you're a freshman in high school. It sounds like you're older than that,
00:44:43.620
but if you're a freshman in high school, you say, this is the love of my life. We're going to get
00:44:45.700
married, but our parents are apart. And then you go through three years of high school and then
00:44:49.720
wherever you go to college. And that might be tough. That might be a little tricky. If it's that
00:44:54.000
you're going to be apart for a year and then maybe you end up in similar places for college or at the
00:44:59.060
same college or maybe, I don't know, it's very difficult. You don't necessarily want to pick a
00:45:03.140
college just because of a girl that you dated a little bit in high school. Maybe you could do that.
00:45:09.940
It depends on what those underlying issues are as to why you broke up. Is it just kind of ordinary
00:45:15.780
jealousy or is it just because, you know, out of sight, out of mind because we're incarnate creatures.
00:45:19.980
We like to see each other. Do you have an ability to see, even though you're a hundred miles apart,
00:45:24.160
is there a way for you to, I don't know, meet in the middle or something? Maybe not when you're
00:45:27.300
17, 18 years old. You say that, you know, you'll say you cannot lose, but you might.
00:45:35.280
You might. I mean, you are broken up and you got to figure out from her perspective why you broke up,
00:45:40.240
why she broke up with you. And if it's the sort of thing that can be remedied with some phone calls
00:45:44.680
and a visit now and again within the next year or two, that's fine. If it's because she's just
00:45:50.200
moved on with her life and she really, she doesn't have affection for you anymore, then you might lose,
00:45:58.340
you know. Now, one way that you might get her back is that you might just move on yourself and start
00:46:04.160
dating other people. And maybe that doesn't work out. And maybe that gets her a little bit jealous.
00:46:07.360
And, you know, people have played that game more than once in the history of romance.
00:46:12.000
When my beloved wife and I were split, we were still kind of chatting, you know. It was still,
00:46:19.840
there were these, are we really split or are we going to, and every time it would kind of come
00:46:24.400
to that, you know, are we really just going to, one or the other of us would say, well, no,
00:46:28.660
hold on, let's just, maybe we just go get a cup of coffee or something like that. So, you know,
00:46:32.960
it's, I wish I could give you some firm, easy advice on do these three things and you get your
00:46:37.180
girlfriend back. But that's not how it works. It's very subtle and nuanced and it's, it's
00:46:44.540
relational. You know, it's not, it can't be distilled down into some little three-step
00:46:49.220
program. But if you want the girl, make it clear you want the girl. And then if she doesn't want
00:46:53.940
you, don't be a creep. Act like a man, women like men. Maybe, you know, you go on, you live your life,
00:46:59.100
you do something else, and then she wants you all the more. The rest of the show continues now.
00:47:04.320
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