The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1501 - Kangaroo Court Finds Trump Guilty On All 34 Counts

00:00:00.000 As everyone expected, a liberal jury, at the encouragement of a liberal judge in liberal

00:00:04.860 Manhattan, has convicted President Trump on 34 counts, the first time in American history

00:00:10.360 that a former president or major party nominee, in this case Trump is both, has been prosecuted

00:00:16.720 and now convicted of a crime. For 234 years, Americans have refrained from prosecuting

00:00:24.200 presidents for all sorts of reasons. Democrats just blew that up, and we can never undo the

00:00:29.860 damage that they have caused to our political system. We will get into the details and what

00:00:35.040 it all means moving forward. But first, a little personal anecdote. When President Trump first

00:00:41.720 debuted that Make America Great Again hat during the 2016 campaign, I bought one immediately.

00:00:48.600 The red hat eventually became the favorite, but initially, Trump's MAGA hat of choice was white,

00:00:53.720 and I bought one, an OG MAGA hat, probably from the very first run on his campaign website.

00:01:00.840 I bought it not because I was totally 100% sold on Trump as a primary candidate.

00:01:06.160 It was just because I liked the sentiment, and I liked a lot about his campaign.

00:01:10.860 And the hat, like the campaign, was refreshing and weird and fun.

00:01:15.320 Today, however, the Trump campaign is much more than that. Donald Trump is no longer the entertaining

00:01:23.640 tabloid fixture running for president on a lark. Circumstances have developed such that Donald

00:01:29.920 Trump is fending off the full force of the corrupt liberal establishment of the hegemonic global power

00:01:36.140 that is willing to burn our political order to the ground in order to govern the ruins.

00:01:41.820 If he was not already, Trump is now a world historic figure.

00:01:47.780 I don't think that's what he was signing up for when he came down that golden escalator in 2015.

00:01:52.900 I don't think it's what most people expected his campaign to lead to.

00:01:57.620 But sometimes history calls people to prominence.

00:02:01.680 I voted for Trump in 2016.

00:02:04.660 Then I voted for him with even greater enthusiasm in 2020.

00:02:08.380 Now, I will crawl over broken glass to vote for the man in 2024.

00:02:14.860 And I suspect there are many people over the past 24 hours who feel precisely the same way.

00:02:20.980 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:02:22.400 One of President Trump's lawyers is going to join us in just a little bit to discuss the historic conviction,

00:02:48.160 what it means, is the president going to go to jail, prison, I suppose.

00:02:52.520 What does this mean for the other prosecutions?

00:02:54.100 What does this mean for the election?

00:02:55.600 There's so much more to say.

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00:04:02.100 President Trump's response was pretty much exactly what you would expect.

00:04:07.820 Except that we've come to expect it because Trump is a tough guy and he knows show business and he knows how to communicate.

00:04:14.800 But imagine you are in this historic position.

00:04:19.320 The entire weight of the liberal global establishment is coming down on you.

00:04:24.360 They're trying to make you die in prison.

00:04:26.600 They're trying to not only steal an election from you by locking you up when you should be campaigning. 0.90

00:04:31.240 They're trying to make you die in an orange jumpsuit.

00:04:34.260 And you have to come out and give a response.

00:04:37.580 Nothing like this has ever been seen in the history of the United States, the greatest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

00:04:43.140 And when you add all of that, the fact that this man kept a stiff upper lip and just looked his enemies right in the eye and just told him exactly what he thinks is even more impressive than many people appreciate.

00:04:56.080 Here's what he said.

00:04:56.640 This was a disgrace. 0.97

00:05:00.080 This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. 0.90

00:05:05.440 It's a rigged trial, a disgrace.

00:05:08.720 They wouldn't give us a venue change.

00:05:10.860 We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area.

00:05:16.760 This was a rigged, disgraceful trial that the real verdict is going to be November 5th by the people.

00:05:26.340 And they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here.

00:05:30.500 You have a so-respect, DA, and the whole thing.

00:05:35.060 We didn't do a thing wrong.

00:05:37.160 I'm a very innocent man.

00:05:39.860 And it's okay.

00:05:41.380 I'm fighting for our country.

00:05:42.580 I'm fighting for our constitution.

00:05:44.020 Our whole country is being rigged right now.

00:05:47.120 This was done by the Biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent.

00:05:55.500 And I think it's just a disgrace.

00:05:58.120 And we'll keep fighting.

00:05:59.500 We'll fight till the end and we'll win because our country's gone to hell.

00:06:03.700 We don't have the same country anymore.

00:06:05.800 We have a divided mess.

00:06:07.920 We're a nation in decline, serious decline.

00:06:10.440 Millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now.

00:06:14.700 From prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists.

00:06:19.620 And they're taking over our country. 0.76

00:06:21.280 We have a country that's in big trouble.

00:06:23.920 But this was a rigged decision right from day one with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case.

00:06:31.060 Never.

00:06:32.120 And we will fight for our constitution.

00:06:34.540 This is long from over.

00:06:35.680 Thank you very much.

00:06:36.500 Lots of courage.

00:06:39.080 She's totally right.

00:06:40.420 Put that aside for a second.

00:06:41.960 This is really, really sharp political rhetoric.

00:06:45.900 Trump is a master of political rhetoric.

00:06:48.820 When that MAGA hat came out, I was speaking with some friends of mine.

00:06:54.220 And I said, without really any irony at all, make America great again is an example of poetic diction.

00:07:00.820 It's really smart political word choice.

00:07:04.740 Make America great again.

00:07:07.900 These are largely Saxon words, sturdy words, evocative words, short, easy to understand.

00:07:14.480 And Trump is really good about that.

00:07:16.600 He doesn't speak like he's giving a university lecture when he's on the campaign trail.

00:07:22.000 He can speak in a more elevated way.

00:07:23.740 There are plenty of old interviews of Trump where he's speaking in a more elevated way.

00:07:26.640 But when he's on the campaign trail, he speaks in a way that is easily and immediately understood by everybody.

00:07:33.700 And that's what he's doing here.

00:07:35.100 How many times did he say the word rigged?

00:07:37.400 Ten times or something?

00:07:39.540 It's rigged.

00:07:40.340 This was rigged.

00:07:41.260 It's a disgrace.

00:07:42.300 This was disgraceful and rigged.

00:07:44.200 What they're trying to do is rig the election.

00:07:45.980 They rigged this trial.

00:07:47.740 It's disgraceful what they've done to our country.

00:07:49.940 They rigged it.

00:07:50.600 It's a disgrace.

00:07:51.640 So the takeaway, if you watch that one minute clip or however long it was, you've taken away two words.

00:07:57.000 And they're the two most important words.

00:07:58.940 Then they're the two words that Trump wants you to remember.

00:08:01.920 Now, there are some other points that he gets in there.

00:08:04.060 This is a political prosecution.

00:08:06.100 This is a Soros-backed DA.

00:08:08.520 This is a completely unfair venue.

00:08:10.300 I wasn't judged by a jury of my peers.

00:08:13.480 Half the country, more than half the country, wants me to be president.

00:08:16.300 In this district where they pulled the jurors from, 95% of them hate my guts.

00:08:20.940 This is totally unfair.

00:08:21.900 It's historic.

00:08:22.720 It's a disgraceful day for America.

00:08:24.700 We've never seen anything like this.

00:08:26.940 We're going to keep fighting.

00:08:28.020 That's another word that pops up a little bit there.

00:08:29.720 Fight, fight, fight.

00:08:31.280 Looks him in the eye.

00:08:32.020 It's far from over. 0.89

00:08:34.420 Disgraceful and rigged.

00:08:35.300 And I am certain that that is what people take away from this.

00:08:43.180 As good a response as you could possibly expect from the man under these circumstances.

00:08:48.220 Now, let's turn to the worst response that I saw to the conviction of Trump.

00:08:51.840 That would come from Larry Hogan, supposedly the governor of Maryland, Republican governor of Maryland. 0.65

00:09:00.720 He's kind of a squish. 1.00

00:09:02.500 He is effectively kind of a Democrat governor of Maryland, one of these never-Trumper guys.

00:09:07.420 And here's what he tweets out.

00:09:11.120 Regardless of the result, I urge all Americans to respect the verdict and the legal process.

00:09:17.700 At this dangerously divided moment in our history, all leaders, regardless of party, must not pour fuel on the fire with more toxic partisanship. 0.87

00:09:26.240 We must reaffirm what has made this nation great, completely surrendering like a bunch of cuckolds. 0.78

00:09:32.100 Oh, sorry.

00:09:32.460 No, that's not what he said.

00:09:33.240 What has made this nation great?

00:09:34.880 The rule of law.

00:09:35.700 The rule of law?

00:09:37.180 The rule of law?

00:09:38.320 They're going to prosecute Donald Trump in New York for a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations for which has already run out in 2019.

00:09:46.040 They're going to prosecute him for a federal crime in the state of New York for some reason.

00:09:51.260 They're going to upend 234 years of our legal tradition to prosecute a former president and a current leader of the opposition.

00:09:58.660 Then the judge is going to tell the jury, you don't even need to agree on what crime he committed.

00:10:02.680 If you think he did anything wrong ever, you can pretty much send him into an orange jumpsuit.

00:10:06.900 Now we've got to protect the rule of law?

00:10:09.180 Where were you two months ago?

00:10:12.060 Where were you six months ago?

00:10:13.460 Where were you eight years ago when the federal government wielded the Department of Justice, when Barack Obama and the Democrats wielded the Department of Justice to illegally spy on Trump's campaign and to cook up a bunch of evidence with the Democrats and Russians, ironically enough, to undermine Trump's campaign?

00:10:32.120 Where were you, Larry Hogan?

00:10:33.620 Oh, you were campaigning with a bunch of other never-Trump jokers. 0.98

00:10:37.520 This is the line from Larry Hogan and all the other squishes and cowards. 0.82

00:10:46.760 The line is that it is very, very important for Republicans at this moment when our opponents are attacking us and threatening the country.

00:10:57.640 It's most important now that we surrender.

00:11:02.100 Because, you know, imagine hypothetically how much worse it would be.

00:11:07.520 If we were ever to wield political power.

00:11:10.420 You know, if we wield political power even in a just way, well, then maybe hypothetically in the future, Democrats will wield political power in an unjust way.

00:11:18.440 Wouldn't that be terrible?

00:11:20.260 Yeah, gee, Larry, can't imagine what that would look like.

00:11:23.560 Good thing we didn't prosecute Hillary, huh? 1.00

00:11:26.040 You remember at the time?

00:11:27.720 2016.

00:11:29.060 Lock her up. 0.91

00:11:29.760 Lock her up. 0.91

00:11:31.560 The liberal establishment pulling their pearls off their necks.

00:11:35.240 They say, this is such a threat to the rule of law.

00:11:37.560 We can't prosecute former presidential candidates.

00:11:40.620 Oh, my goodness.

00:11:41.620 That would be such a threat to the rule of law.

00:11:43.660 Good thing we didn't prosecute her. 0.98

00:11:45.040 Why, then, could you imagine what the Democrats would do when they got into power?

00:11:48.440 Can you imagine?

00:11:49.100 I think you probably can't imagine.

00:11:50.260 I think we all can. 1.00

00:11:52.500 Absolutely pathetic. 0.99

00:11:53.700 It's amazing. 0.99

00:11:54.420 These two responses, the one from Trump, the one from Larry Hogan, exactly the opposite in terms of their clarity, their persuasiveness, and their virtue.

00:12:08.180 Trump, this is a disgrace.

00:12:10.280 It's rigged.

00:12:11.000 It's rigged.

00:12:11.660 It's a disgrace.

00:12:12.400 We're going to fight.

00:12:13.200 This isn't over.

00:12:13.840 I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say the composition of Trump's speech, which may have been extemporaneous, even has some similarities to the writing of Abraham Lincoln.

00:12:27.040 By which I mean, Lincoln would use simple words, words that people were familiar with, phrasing that people were familiar with, largely coming from the King James Bible, also perhaps from Shakespeare, which were the two works that he was most familiar with in his largely self-education, self-guided education.

00:12:51.400 He would speak that way.

00:12:52.440 You just read the Gettysburg Address.

00:12:54.500 That nation, the last full measure of devotion, the last – it's this kind of diction that just hits you.

00:13:00.500 It's repetitive.

00:13:01.540 It lands the message.

00:13:02.820 That's what Trump's doing, and he's very clear, and it's very moral language.

00:13:05.800 And then you get this quizzling Larry Hogan.

00:13:07.740 Actually, guys, I know they're about to haul us all off to the gulag, but let's kind of be nice to them, and maybe they'll give us an extra lollipop when we get to the camp.

00:13:14.660 Give me a break. 0.99

00:13:15.620 What a coward. 1.00

00:13:17.260 What a – anybody who gives any quarter to these people are – they are anathema. 1.00

00:13:23.420 Get them out of my party.

00:13:26.300 Not that they're much good to the party.

00:13:28.260 Not that they've ever been much good to the party as it is.

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00:14:54.380 I have no idea how much money President Trump has raised.

00:14:58.800 Let's just check.

00:14:59.700 You know, I'm going to check right now.

00:15:00.880 I do not donate to political campaigns all that often.

00:15:05.200 I occasionally do, but I generally do not.

00:15:10.440 I save my donations for causes outside of the partisan political arena, generally.

00:15:17.360 Last night, I donated.

00:15:18.800 I wrote the biggest political donation check I've ever written in my life by a lot.

00:15:22.480 And I think many of you did, too, because the Trump fundraising site actually crashed.

00:15:28.120 I'm looking for updated numbers.

00:15:31.800 I'm not—I can't see anything.

00:15:35.520 A Trump page crashes.

00:15:37.040 Trump guilty verdict fires up Republican donors who pledge millions.

00:15:40.860 How many millions?

00:15:41.640 It's not—it's just not even being reported yet.

00:15:46.980 Because I'm seeing some numbers from the mega donors.

00:15:50.240 You know, Robert Bigelow, who's already given over $9 million to an outside group supporting Trump where there are no campaign limits, says, I'm sending President Trump another $5 million, as I promised him.

00:15:59.440 Okay, you know, I see the $5 million, the $9 million, the $1 million.

00:16:03.160 But the number I want to know probably will be reported within the next 12 to 24 hours, the small-dollar donations.

00:16:11.240 Because you go on that Trump campaign website, which was totally redone yesterday, to just accept the fire hose of money that was pouring in, so much so that it broke the website.

00:16:20.680 And the donations were not $5 million donations, it was $50, $100 donations, $20 and 24-cent donations for people who, especially in Joe Biden's economy, don't have a ton of extra money lying around, giving what they could.

00:16:36.240 And it was just pouring in all these different names from all over the country.

00:16:41.400 It's good.

00:16:42.420 It's good for the campaign.

00:16:44.260 They're going to raise a lot of money.

00:16:45.240 It's good politically for Trump in that the vast majority of Americans recognize these prosecutions are politically motivated.

00:16:53.780 There was a poll that came out some months ago related to the federal case, not the New York case, but the New York case was even more ridiculous than the federal case.

00:17:01.020 So I think the principle would hold, which showed that 62% of Americans say that these prosecutions are primarily politically motivated.

00:17:10.640 62%.

00:17:11.080 So that's not just Republicans.

00:17:12.040 That's Republicans, and that's independents, and that's some Democrats, too.

00:17:15.240 Who admit, yeah, Joe Biden's just trying to imprison his opponent because he's afraid that he's going to lose in November.

00:17:22.740 What this does for Trump is it proves that.

00:17:26.240 It underscores that already very popular sentiment.

00:17:32.200 And it does something that a lot of people thought was impossible.

00:17:35.680 Trump runs in 2016 as an outsider.

00:17:38.500 Trump cannot run in 2020 as an outsider because he's already the president.

00:17:41.660 He's still a little weird in our political establishment, but he can't run as an outsider.

00:17:46.800 Then in 2024, Vivek Ramaswamy, who did extremely well in the Republican presidential primary, given he had virtually zero name recognition going into it.

00:17:55.340 He said, look, I am running as an outsider, but you can only run as an outsider once.

00:17:58.900 And that was a good point, and he's generally right about that.

00:18:05.000 Under any even remotely normal circumstances, he's right.

00:18:08.120 You can only run as an outsider once because then you're kind of in it, and then you've got some practice at it, even if you don't win the election.

00:18:13.940 And so you're no longer really an outsider, except in this case, except in the historic case of the American liberal establishment trying to throw you in prison forever.

00:18:26.680 That is as clear a signal as there could possibly be.

00:18:29.500 No, this guy's still an outsider.

00:18:31.560 This guy's still not in the club.

00:18:33.080 We're still not going to invite him to our parties.

00:18:34.780 We're actually going to, if this were 100 or 200 years ago, we would banish him to St. Helena.

00:18:40.600 That is how much we fear his political rise and what it means for our comfy, corrupt liberal establishment.

00:18:49.060 He got that back yesterday.

00:18:50.660 He didn't exactly have that for several years now.

00:18:55.560 He got that back.

00:18:57.120 I think Dan McCarthy, my friend, excellent political columnist, wrote a column on just that point.

00:19:02.960 I only skimmed the headline.

00:19:05.600 There's a lot of commentary coming out right now about what happened last night.

00:19:09.300 He's a political outsider again, and that's attractive to a lot of people who recognize that this establishment is very, very corrupt.

00:19:16.680 So corrupt that we would, for the first time ever in history, throw the opposition leader into jail on trumped up, pun intended, charges that probably the sitting president, almost certainly the sitting president, could not even tell you what they are.

00:19:33.960 Now, speaking of money, CNN is going to break with tradition.

00:19:40.060 We're just breaking all sorts of political traditions this week.

00:19:42.860 CNN, you know, is hosting that presidential debate in June.

00:19:47.100 I guess President Trump still won't be wearing an orange jumpsuit for that one.

00:19:51.340 CNN is going to buck tradition, though, and air commercials during the presidential debate.

00:19:57.460 So usually the presidential debate is run by the Commission on Presidential Debates.

00:20:00.960 This year, Joe Biden says, I don't want to do the Commission on Presidential Debates, and I don't want to follow their debates because, one, their debates are a little bit later in the year.

00:20:09.900 And I want there to be widespread mail-in voting and early voting much, much earlier so we can sort of rig the system.

00:20:17.060 Two, the Commission on Presidential Debates invites a crowd, and the crowd hates me.

00:20:20.920 I can't get five people to show up to my rallies.

00:20:23.080 So Trump fills up stadia.

00:20:24.760 So I don't want that either.

00:20:26.940 I want it to be rigged a little bit more in my favor.

00:20:30.360 So he proposes the CNN debate.

00:20:33.800 And Trump accepts because Trump smells blood in the water, and he says, all right, whatever you want.

00:20:37.180 You can rig the rules however you want.

00:20:38.660 Put us on a stage.

00:20:39.620 Put me in, coach. 0.91

00:20:40.460 I will tear this guy to shreds.

00:20:44.440 CNN is going to run commercials. 0.97

00:20:45.860 Why does that matter?

00:20:46.600 It matters because it shows you the downside of privatization.

00:20:52.980 For many years, Republicans were all in favor of privatization.

00:20:56.900 We've got to privatize this road.

00:20:58.300 We've got to privatize this government program.

00:20:59.920 We've got to privatize this.

00:21:00.780 We've got to privatize that.

00:21:01.580 We've got to take power away from big government.

00:21:03.620 Big government is evil.

00:21:04.840 And we need to support job creators in the business community, entrepreneurs.

00:21:09.000 Okay, yeah, there's something to that.

00:21:10.460 There's a threat from government becoming too powerful and centralized and distant.

00:21:15.880 Yeah, but there's a threat from corporate power too.

00:21:20.120 And sometimes that threat can get even worse than the threat from the government.

00:21:23.540 Perfect example, free speech.

00:21:26.860 Our public square used to be governed by the public institutions, by the government.

00:21:34.620 And we would have different rules that regulated communications across broadcast airwaves,

00:21:39.920 different rules that regulated how campaigns could campaign,

00:21:44.760 different rules that regulated radio, all the rest.

00:21:49.380 Then we sort of deregulated.

00:21:52.400 And then we privatized a lot of the public square.

00:21:54.680 And so now who controls the public square?

00:21:55.980 Google.

00:21:57.280 And Google just suppresses conservative speech.

00:22:01.720 And there's no accountability.

00:22:03.400 And we can't lobby our representatives because the representatives are largely in the pocket of Google

00:22:07.900 because Google has a ton of money.

00:22:09.000 And there's not much to be done.

00:22:11.880 We privatized the public square.

00:22:14.020 And then conservatives were squeezed out of the public square.

00:22:17.100 Almost entirely.

00:22:19.100 That's not great.

00:22:21.000 Do we really want to privatize the presidential debates?

00:22:25.520 I don't know.

00:22:26.380 I don't want the presidential debates to become some spectacle to sell more Nike sneakers.

00:22:30.820 I don't want the presidential debates to be run by the advertisers.

00:22:37.540 Advertisers have a lot to say over programming.

00:22:39.380 And the advertisers are broadly liberal and unaccountable.

00:22:42.800 I don't really like that idea.

00:22:45.880 We used to have a sense that certain things are beyond the realm of commerce because man is not entirely or primarily economic.

00:22:53.920 The state doesn't exist to serve the economy.

00:22:55.960 The economy serves the state.

00:22:57.020 We let the tail wag the dog now, though.

00:22:58.480 But not everything in life is about money.

00:23:00.920 Some things are above that.

00:23:04.280 And the presidential debates were about the common good.

00:23:07.020 Now, no.

00:23:07.820 It's about filling up the coffers of CNN.

00:23:10.460 And it's about selling Nike sneakers.

00:23:13.160 I'm picking on Nike.

00:23:14.000 I don't know if Nike is advertising.

00:23:16.340 That's a problem.

00:23:17.540 And it's one that's going to be difficult for some conservatives to point out because conservatives have been so fanatically in favor of privatization in recent years.

00:23:26.900 Okay, well, has it been uniformly good?

00:23:29.180 Maybe GDP ticks up a little bit.

00:23:30.900 Maybe.

00:23:32.840 You've also lost a lot of your political rights in the process.

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00:24:55.160 My favorite comment yesterday is from Joshua D. Geis, who says,

00:24:59.140 Judge Murchon,

00:25:01.040 Right, everyone, please convict Donald J. Trump on whatever you want, and I'll treat you to ice cream with Joey.

00:25:06.620 Yeah, pretty much.

00:25:07.240 That's pretty much what he said.

00:25:08.200 So you hope that this would be overturned on appeal.

00:25:11.000 Many legal experts have weighed in across the political spectrum and observed that this decision was completely absurd.

00:25:19.140 But will that matter?

00:25:21.200 That's the question.

00:25:22.160 Will that actually matter?

00:25:23.800 I am not so sure.

00:25:26.380 I'm not sure the appeals court in New York is the most right-wing enterprise out there.

00:25:32.580 There's one story I want to get to, and then we're going to speak to one of President Trump's lawyers and get his take on how this is going to shake out.

00:25:38.560 This story is really important, though.

00:25:40.360 Speaking of oratory, and that is,

00:25:43.440 A Kentucky high school has withheld a diploma from a speaker for praising Jesus.

00:25:49.540 This story reported in the New York Post and Post reporting from a more local outlet, WXIX.

00:25:57.600 Campbell County High School.

00:25:59.920 Micah Price was initially denied his diploma for saying this.

00:26:07.320 I must give the honor, the praise, and the glory to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

00:26:12.100 Who in this very world tells us he is in the light, he is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:26:25.520 I'm here to tell you that if you don't have any of those things in your life, and you can't seem to find the answer,

00:26:32.480 that my Lord and Savior is your answer.

00:26:33.900 He will give you the truth, give you the way, and the way.

00:26:36.280 Beautiful, beautiful remarks.

00:26:42.880 I haven't seen the full speech.

00:26:43.940 This is the clip going around.

00:26:45.260 Lovely.

00:26:46.120 And for saying this, the administrators at this high school, Campbell County High School in Kentucky,

00:26:51.720 denied him his diploma for saying Jesus is the way, and the truth, and the life,

00:26:56.260 and I want to give all thanks to Jesus here.

00:27:00.200 He's denied his diploma for this.

00:27:02.420 Now, they caught some bad PR.

00:27:04.880 He went in.

00:27:08.280 The young man has tried to make nice with the administrators.

00:27:10.920 The administrators gave him his diploma.

00:27:13.920 That's not good enough for me.

00:27:16.020 This is so outrageous.

00:27:19.320 I'm sure if this kid had gone out there and said,

00:27:22.660 I support individuality, and I support doing whatever you want, man,

00:27:28.280 and we need to stand up for the LGBT, LMNOP, drag queen story hour community,

00:27:34.320 and we need to support abortion and selling babies in the surrogacy industry,

00:27:39.320 and all hail Satan.

00:27:41.120 I'm sure that they would have given him his diploma on the stage.

00:27:44.620 But no, he said something controversial.

00:27:47.740 He said, thank you to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, who is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:27:51.800 Oh, you're not allowed to get a diploma if you say that.

00:27:54.020 This is so disgusting what these administrators have done at Campbell County High School.

00:27:58.600 I'm glad they gave the kid his diploma.

00:28:00.060 That's good stuff.

00:28:01.740 There needs to be a public apology from any administrator who was in any way associated with this decision.

00:28:08.180 I prefer to see some firings, and I think we need to see some firings.

00:28:11.660 And if not, I'm not a resident of the state of Kentucky, or where is it, Kansas or Kentucky?

00:28:18.200 No, Kentucky.

00:28:18.960 Okay, I was right about that.

00:28:20.000 But I'm pretty close to Kentucky.

00:28:21.520 I'm right below Kentucky here in Nashville.

00:28:23.900 We share the same airport most of the time.

00:28:28.000 It seems to me that politicians, elected leaders in the state of Kentucky,

00:28:34.260 need to bring a lot of political pressure to bear on this high school,

00:28:37.340 because this is not an isolated incident.

00:28:39.080 This sort of thing happens all the time.

00:28:40.340 The suppression of Christianity, of religion broadly, especially Christianity in the public

00:28:44.780 square, happens all the time, because there's no such thing as neutrality on moral matters,

00:28:50.840 and no man is, it can really be philosophically a vacuum.

00:28:55.540 We have ideas, and we act on those ideas. 0.87

00:28:57.680 This is completely disgusting.

00:28:59.420 It is contrary to the American tradition, the American way of life. 0.82

00:29:02.520 This country was founded by people who called themselves pilgrims,

00:29:05.400 who came here to find, to found a shining city on a hill and a model of Christian charity.

00:29:09.280 And then our founding fathers, who were a little bit more deistic and free Masonic, 0.88

00:29:14.000 even our founding fathers in that enlightened liberal age of the late 18th century,

00:29:18.080 said this is a country built on Christian morality.

00:29:20.280 John Jay said, thank God that we have a Christian country, and we're guided by Christianity.

00:29:26.080 Public apology, firings, any consequences.

00:29:34.080 The country is looking at you, Kentucky.

00:29:36.900 Okay.

00:29:38.240 Now, where are we looking the rest of the time?

00:29:40.180 We are looking over in New York, which has upended our political tradition,

00:29:44.480 which is why I'm so pleased that we have, back to the show, Jared Roberts,

00:29:48.140 a lawyer for President Trump, who is very familiar with not just the details of this case,

00:29:56.480 but many of the legal cases that the liberals have thrown at the president.

00:30:01.540 Jared, thank you for coming on the show.

00:30:03.900 Hey, thank you for having me.

00:30:05.140 I appreciate it.

00:30:06.240 So, I don't have any formal training in the law whatsoever.

00:30:10.540 I'm not sure that Judge Morshon in New York has much formal training in the law, for that matter.

00:30:14.160 However, we've talked about the historic significance of this decision.

00:30:20.640 What happens now?

00:30:22.860 Is the president going to go to jail?

00:30:25.960 What does this look like on appeal?

00:30:28.220 How does this affect the election?

00:30:30.800 And how do you speculate, from your familiarity with the broader Trump legal team,

00:30:35.880 how do you speculate that the Trump team is thinking about this?

00:30:41.480 Yeah, so, I don't think the president will be going to jail.

00:30:47.600 There's a sentencing in the next few months, but I think it's unlikely.

00:30:51.900 I mean, he's a first-time offender.

00:30:53.820 New York doesn't like to send people to jail, as we've seen.

00:30:56.680 Maybe the rules are different with President Trump.

00:30:59.080 Yeah, Jared, I hate to cut you off, but had President Trump gone up and robbed a liquor store,

00:31:03.960 or gone into the subway and punched a woman in the face,

00:31:06.620 or, I don't know, murdered someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue, as he once joked about years ago.

00:31:11.240 Then, he wouldn't be in any jail for more than five minutes.

00:31:15.880 He would be out, probably, without any bond.

00:31:18.980 But that's not—he's a Republican politician who challenges the establishment.

00:31:22.940 That led me to believe they were going to throw him in jail for the rest of his life.

00:31:27.020 Oh, exactly.

00:31:27.720 No, New York doesn't prosecute real crimes.

00:31:29.620 They only go after made-up ones against Republicans.

00:31:34.620 So, naturally, the next step here is filing the notice of appeal.

00:31:38.640 And I think on appeal, even though it is the New York system, I think that—I mean, the argument is there.

00:31:46.020 Any other jurisdiction, it's a slam-dunk case.

00:31:48.440 We still don't even know what the underlying charge is.

00:31:52.680 It wasn't on the verdict form for how this case was raised to a felony.

00:31:57.980 Because, remember, without it being a felony, the statute of limitations expired, I think, in 2019.

00:32:04.140 So, they had to prove an underlying charge to raise this to a felony.

00:32:08.960 They never described to us what that underlying charge was.

00:32:12.020 The verdict form never described what the underlying charge is.

00:32:15.680 I mean, I think it's a major due process violation that President Trump couldn't even defend against this.

00:32:21.060 And that alone is grounds to reverse this.

00:32:24.100 And so, the jury verdict almost did President Trump a favor in not specifying what the underlying charge is.

00:32:31.640 Because, I mean, that's the easiest grounds right there for a reversal.

00:32:34.920 So, what's your take on the New York appeals court?

00:32:38.320 Because even the so-called rock-ribbed conservative jurists in America sometimes surprise us.

00:32:45.120 Let's not forget it was a jurist who I generally like, Neil Gorsuch, who wrote transgenderism into civil rights law.

00:32:52.820 So, you know, even the conservatives go squishy a lot of the time.

00:32:56.080 I can't imagine the judges on the appeals court in New York are the creme de la creme, let's say.

00:33:03.100 Right, yeah.

00:33:05.820 And, I mean, I'm a former New Yorker.

00:33:07.900 Luckily, I got out just in time.

00:33:10.520 But, well, the judges might not be the best for this situation.

00:33:16.020 I think any fair jurist would realize what happened here was wrong.

00:33:22.320 That first, these charges should have never been brought.

00:33:25.460 Then the jury instruction was faulty.

00:33:28.100 The verdict form was faulty.

00:33:29.520 The prosecution never actually proved their case.

00:33:33.480 I mean, it's almost a slam-dunk case that they have to get rid of on appeal.

00:33:38.420 Otherwise, I mean, right now people are questioning the authenticity of our system.

00:33:43.080 I mean, I certainly am.

00:33:44.800 And without reversal here, I mean, I think the system is just as dead in the water as is because it's such a slam-dunk case that should be reversed.

00:33:54.200 So, what does this mean?

00:33:55.660 I mean, you're predicting, it gives me some relief, that they're not actually going to send Trump to prison.

00:34:01.200 What does this mean for the other cases that have now been pushed until after the election?

00:34:07.080 And what do you think President Trump is thinking?

00:34:10.060 Right now, I think the president is probably energized.

00:34:15.880 I mean, the base is certainly energized.

00:34:18.480 Going forward, there's a lot of campaign material, obviously.

00:34:23.900 Fundraising is off the charts.

00:34:25.220 The website actually crashed, as you were alluding to earlier.

00:34:28.700 I think that the president, my understanding is he was calm yesterday during the reading.

00:34:34.120 I don't think it was anything that necessarily surprised him.

00:34:37.200 He knows how the system is.

00:34:40.180 And right now, the focus is just kind of getting to November 2024.

00:34:45.080 That's when the real verdict from the American people will come.

00:34:48.200 And dealing with the rest later, I think this has all been a distraction from the Biden administration.

00:34:53.960 They know that they can't beat him at the polls.

00:34:56.540 So, they're trying to beat him in the courts and abuse our system.

00:35:00.840 That's what this entire case was about.

00:35:02.560 That's why there was a gag order in place. 0.99

00:35:05.040 They wanted to keep him off the campaign trail so Biden could go out and raise money for his party.

00:35:10.620 And President Trump had to stay in a courtroom all day.

00:35:13.780 And so, really, at the end of the day, there's nothing to these charges other than the fact that the Biden campaign is freaking out that they're going to lose.

00:35:22.020 And they need to essentially rig our system to prevent that.

00:35:25.560 Right.

00:35:25.700 I love that line.

00:35:26.740 I mean, sometimes people knock Trump and they say he gets distracted because, you know, he'd tweet about Mika Brzezinski's face or whatever.

00:35:33.100 But he's always seemed to have a pretty decent focus to me on where he wants his campaign to go.

00:35:38.700 And you really saw that yesterday.

00:35:40.320 He hit that line.

00:35:42.640 The real verdict comes down on November 5th.

00:35:46.080 That's the line, right?

00:35:47.480 That's really what it's all about.

00:35:48.620 All of these prosecutions in New York and D.C. and Georgia and blah, blah, blah, wherever, they're not about documents.

00:35:55.400 They're not about Stormy Daniels.

00:35:56.940 They're not about a phone call to a secretary of state.

00:35:59.820 They're about November 5th.

00:36:01.620 The reason he's sitting in that courtroom is so that Joe Biden gets a campaign and a fundraising advantage, not that he's doing all that much with it.

00:36:10.760 It's all about November 5th.

00:36:13.240 And so that's where you focus it.

00:36:14.520 So not even the judge probably could tell you what this case is about in New York, much less the ordinary casual political observer.

00:36:21.660 So what do you remind them?

00:36:23.040 This is about election interference.

00:36:24.800 It's rigging.

00:36:26.080 It is disgraceful.

00:36:27.300 But really, the only verdict that matters is November 5th.

00:36:30.980 Jared, thank you for coming on.

00:36:33.080 I greatly appreciate it.

00:36:34.160 And hopefully we can have you back to celebrate when President Trump does not go to prison.

00:36:39.000 And all the better when he goes to the White House, which is the shiniest, most beautiful prison in our electoral system.

00:36:46.240 Thank you very much, Jared.

00:36:47.880 Thank you, Michael.

00:36:49.580 Finally, finally, we've come to my favorite time of the week when I get to hear from you in the mailbag.

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00:37:28.800 That being said, I don't own a humidor or any proper storage mechanism.

00:37:34.440 And right now, my cigars are just sitting in the box on my bookshelf.

00:37:39.660 I'd be curious to know if you had any recommendations for reasonably priced humidors for the occasional cigar smoker.

00:37:47.220 And also, given that one of the boxes that I ordered is a couple months old at this point,

00:37:53.260 are the cigars in the box spoiled or is there anything I can do to make sure that they can still be properly enjoyed as intended?

00:38:00.080 I'd appreciate any advice that you have and thank you for all that you do.

00:38:04.140 Excellent, excellent questions.

00:38:05.540 No, your cigars are probably okay.

00:38:07.220 We made sure to ship them, you know, tightly wrapped plastic with some Boveda humidity packs, two-way humidity.

00:38:13.500 So this is really the best way to keep your cigars humidified, whether it's in the humidor or some travel humidor or even a Ziploc bag.

00:38:20.600 Your cigars are probably not in the best shape right now.

00:38:24.000 If I were you, first thing I would do, take that whole box, shove it into a big gallon Ziploc bag.

00:38:29.260 We've already got the Boveda humidity pack in there.

00:38:31.600 You know, maybe open it up to see if it's totally dried out yet, but if it's not, just throw it in there, throw another pack in maybe, and then let it sit for a week or two, you'll be good.

00:38:41.500 In terms of humidors, I don't know, maybe we need to bring out a Mayflower humidor or something like that.

00:38:46.480 I get this question so frequently, maybe we got to provide the answer to people.

00:38:51.140 But simple stuff to look for.

00:38:53.600 I don't have a particular brand that I'm going to recommend.

00:38:56.020 You can get a humidor for $50 to $100.

00:38:57.880 You can get a humidor for $10,000, you know.

00:39:00.120 I mean, there's a huge range, and the nicer ones generally do a better job, but, you know, all that you really need is a decent seal.

00:39:10.240 You want the wood to be pretty good.

00:39:11.900 Spanish cedar is the traditional one.

00:39:13.900 I wouldn't necessarily do other kinds of cedar.

00:39:16.660 Spanish cedar is really a totally different type of wood from other kinds of cedar, like American cedar.

00:39:21.900 And Spanish cedar is really good for cigars.

00:39:24.120 Other kinds of cedar are less good.

00:39:26.800 But, you know, you could throw it in a little plastic cooler.

00:39:31.700 You could throw it—you just need a decent seal.

00:39:34.400 The good wood will help to age your cigars properly, but you don't need it to revive them.

00:39:40.440 The process of rolling a cigar involves getting tobacco leaves wet and then dry and then wet and then dry about a billion times.

00:39:47.620 So you don't need to worry that you left it out on your counter and now they're totally gone.

00:39:50.920 Just make sure you put them in a nice sealed environment.

00:39:54.500 Throw a little humidity pack in there.

00:39:56.440 Frankly, you could do it even with a wet sponge or wet paper towel with distilled water, but the packs are probably easier.

00:40:01.660 And then just let them come back to life, smoke them, and enjoy.

00:40:05.220 Next question.

00:40:06.560 Hey, Michael.

00:40:07.340 Love your show and got a question for you about PhDs or PhD candidates.

00:40:12.240 I just recently finished my master's degree, and although I'm incredibly proud of it and happy that I did it because I learned a lot, my experience with PhDs was just abysmal.

00:40:24.160 I came to find that not only are they just straight-up progressive activists at any opportunity they can, they just seem to me unintelligent to the point to where they just use a lot of big and fancy words to describe a far-left progressive thought that ultimately says nothing.

00:40:41.600 So, what's your opinion on PhDs?

00:40:44.440 Do you think it's completely lost and all hope is gone in regards to receiving a PhD, or do you think it could still mean something in some way, shape, or form?

00:40:52.540 Thanks, Michael.

00:40:53.160 Love the show.

00:40:54.060 I feel the same way about PhDs as I feel about really any college diploma or even specifically diplomas from the supposedly fancy schools, Harvard, Princeton, wherever.

00:41:08.140 Which is that it can mean that the person who holds the degree is intelligent and educated, but it doesn't necessarily mean that.

00:41:21.780 I do know a handful of PhDs who are extremely intelligent, extremely well-educated, have piercing insight into all sorts of things in the humanities and the sciences and elsewhere.

00:41:32.980 I'm very pro-education, I guess, in the minority of conservatives in that I think that an education, a liberal arts education, a classical education is a very good thing and ought to be pursued.

00:41:46.480 And we shouldn't just chuck it to the side for apprenticeships and the trades.

00:41:52.340 They have their place too, but liberal education can go hand-in-hand with that, and liberal education is very important.

00:41:56.620 But I also know a ton of PhDs who are complete dummies, who don't know anything, who got their spots through affirmative action and DEI, and who haven't been taught anything other than liberal ideology and leftist ideology in their programs.

00:42:12.380 So, you know, it's just another case of you've got to look a little further.

00:42:19.820 On the rare occasions that I'm in any way involved in hiring someone at the Daily Wire, which has not occurred for years at this point, I get the CV.

00:42:27.620 I don't really look at the diploma.

00:42:31.220 Maybe it's interesting and say, oh, so-and-so, I knew so-and-so in college.

00:42:34.100 Oh, yeah, you know, okay.

00:42:34.940 Maybe if you went to Hillsdale, that tells me something.

00:42:36.860 Oh, this person probably got a pretty reasonable education.

00:42:39.600 If you go to Ave Maria or Franciscan or any of these more serious educational institutions, okay, that tells me a little something.

00:42:49.060 But really, I have to look a little deeper.

00:42:52.220 I want to see a writing sample.

00:42:54.100 I want to have a conversation with you.

00:42:55.960 The proof of the pudding, even today for PhDs, is in the tasting.

00:42:59.080 It used to be a credential that could really signify something.

00:43:02.620 It doesn't signify that anymore.

00:43:04.360 Next question.

00:43:06.260 Hello, Michael.

00:43:06.960 My question is about the devil, actually.

00:43:10.740 And I know it's dangerous to think about the devil too much.

00:43:13.880 We generally acknowledge his existence to remind us how much we need Christ.

00:43:18.480 But my question is, you know, at the beginning of time, a third of the angels, you know, they decide to rebel against God.

00:43:26.480 And being angelic intellects, you know, angels don't make mistakes.

00:43:31.720 They have this superhuman intellect.

00:43:35.000 They know that God is God, right?

00:43:38.060 And so what I'm curious is, what did they think they could win if they knew God was all-knowing and all-powerful?

00:43:45.560 What standard of victory were they looking for?

00:43:49.380 And why did they think they could achieve it, given that they were so smart that they would know God was all-knowing and all-powerful?

00:43:55.740 That's my question.

00:43:56.720 Thank you very much.

00:43:57.440 Love your show.

00:43:58.820 They were driven insane by pride, as we all are.

00:44:03.180 Pride can cloud the intellect.

00:44:04.760 You rightly observe the angels are pure intellect, far smarter than we are.

00:44:10.080 We who are both spiritual and intellect and mind, but also corporeal.

00:44:19.060 So they've got us beat on the IQ, I suppose.

00:44:23.460 But pride can cloud even a pure intellect, right?

00:44:27.840 And that's what happened here.

00:44:29.440 Some of tradition tells us that the angels had a foreknowledge that not only that God would create man lower than the angels, but that the second person of the Trinity, God the Son, would be incarnate and become man and be raised higher than the angels.

00:44:47.920 And so one traditional explanation of this is that Lucifer resented that he would have to worship man who should be lower than him.

00:44:55.220 But it's just, even without that illustration, we all know that when we get really prideful, that's when we make mistakes.

00:45:04.500 That's when we become blind.

00:45:08.020 You know, a traditional depiction of hell is that hell is blind, the blind kind of inferno.

00:45:17.200 You know, I quote Dante all the time.

00:45:19.260 Dante makes this point.

00:45:20.300 And he uses that phrase, the blind hell.

00:45:23.600 But also, when he talks about heresy, he observes that heresy is a sin of choosing.

00:45:32.520 Heresy comes from the Greek, and it just means to choose. 0.98

00:45:35.380 So heresy, it's not that you deny the entirety of the faith.

00:45:38.780 It's that you choose one aspect of the faith, and you ignore all the other aspects of the faith.

00:45:41.980 That's what makes a heretic. 0.99

00:45:43.020 And that comes from pride, the notion that I can interpret scripture, that I can interpret the religion, absent the Holy Spirit, absent those whom God appoints, and the tradition and the magisterium that God gives to us to help us understand his word.

00:46:03.700 That would be the beginning of heresy, which is why it's a sin.

00:46:09.300 It's not just an innocent mistake.

00:46:10.860 Oopsie daisy, I misunderstood something.

00:46:12.100 No, you are presuming already.

00:46:15.480 When you take these sorts of matters totally into your own hands, and you say, I choose this, but I don't choose that.

00:46:21.320 I choose St. Paul, I ignore St. James, or something like that.

00:46:24.320 I choose the New Testament, I ignore the Old Testament. 0.99

00:46:26.680 You're choosing, and that's a sin.

00:46:30.040 And that's a sin that derives from a few different places, but at the top of the list would be pride.

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 31, 2024

Ep. 1501 - Kangaroo Court Finds Trump Guilty On All 34 Counts

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