The Michael Knowles Show - June 14, 2024


Ep. 1511 - Baptists Throw Trump a Curveball


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A woman who murdered a poor little 3-year-old boy and then smirked about it in court. Pope Francis allegedly uses the word faggotry in reference to political issues, and Pope Francis has a new word for it.

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00:00:39.700 The ad is typical Trump.
00:00:41.680 Nasty, insulting, and extremely funny.
00:00:46.480 Also, like so much of the Trump movement, the ad reveals a profound truth about politics.
00:00:52.440 This ad is a highlight reel of President Joe Biden's soaring oratory and rhetoric.
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00:02:02.620 What people fail to appreciate consciously, though, is how profound it is.
00:02:07.640 It is profound.
00:02:08.580 I'm not being gratuitously complimentary to the ad.
00:02:15.780 The whole Trump movement reveals these profound truths about our political order, and because
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00:02:43.320 If you're a politician, all you need to be able to do is talk.
00:02:48.700 You just need to persuade people, and Joe Biden can't do that anymore.
00:02:53.380 He can't do the most basic job requirement, and Trump can do it extremely well.
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00:03:03.240 That's why he gets more laughs than stand-up comedians, including with this ad, which is
00:03:08.100 a perfect representation of the Trump movement.
00:03:10.400 Funny, nasty, superficially kind of dumb, ultimately incisive.
00:03:15.960 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:03:16.700 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:03:17.540 Welcome back to the show.
00:03:37.560 There's a horrific story that you've probably seen something about.
00:03:41.260 This happened a few days ago, and I really want to get to it before the week closes out.
00:03:45.540 A woman has murdered a poor little three-year-old boy and then smirked about it in court, and
00:03:51.480 it's making the rounds, but it reveals real questions.
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00:04:30.240 Speaking of soaring rhetoric, before I get to the other less linguistic political issues,
00:04:37.300 Pope Francis has reportedly used the word faggotry again in the Italian, not in the English,
00:04:43.540 but that's what the word means.
00:04:44.320 The word is frociagine, but translated, I guess the best English translation of that
00:04:52.400 is the word faggotry, which is probably going to be bleeped on social media platforms, but
00:04:57.760 you can Google frociagine.
00:04:59.980 According to reports, the Holy Father has said, there is an air of frociagine in the Vatican.
00:05:08.060 This was during a closed-door meeting with roughly 200 priests at the Silesian Pontifical
00:05:12.980 University in Rome, according to Italy's ANSA news agency.
00:05:17.440 So the Holy Father has gotten in trouble for saying this because just a few weeks ago,
00:05:22.540 he said this word for the first time, according to reports.
00:05:26.640 He said, while he was discouraging homosexual seminarians, he said, there's already too much 0.99
00:05:35.860 frociagine in the seminaries.
00:05:38.060 And then there was a big uproar from the LGBT LMNOP community because this is Pride Month,
00:05:43.820 one of the LGBT months of the secular liturgical year. 0.56
00:05:48.140 And so there was an official statement from the Vatican apologizing for the Holy Father
00:05:52.000 using this word.
00:05:52.840 And then a few weeks later, he uses it again.
00:05:54.580 He says, there's an air of frociagine in the Vatican, at which, show me the lie.
00:05:59.740 Like I said the first time, show me the lie.
00:06:01.820 In fact, it reminds me of a line from Pope Paul VI, St. Paul VI, I suppose, who was Pope
00:06:10.460 during the close of the Second Vatican Council.
00:06:12.500 And there's a very famous line from him.
00:06:13.920 He said, the smoke of Satan has entered the Church of God.
00:06:18.280 This was a warning about corruption.
00:06:20.540 There's corruption in all sorts of ages in the Vatican.
00:06:24.660 But he said, here we've seen through some crack, the smoke of Satan has entered the Vatican.
00:06:29.420 And now Pope Francis gives us an updated version some 50 years later, where he says,
00:06:34.620 there is an air of faggotry in the Vatican. 1.00
00:06:37.740 It shows you a little less poetic language, but that's true of all of our rhetoric these
00:06:45.420 days, I suppose.
00:06:46.620 Putting aside for a moment what this means for the Vatican or for the Catholic Church,
00:06:51.540 question is, what is wrong with frociagine?
00:06:54.520 What is wrong with frociagine, that even the Holy Father, who many have viewed as being
00:07:00.100 open to some of the LGBT activists?
00:07:03.000 Pope Francis has just written the foreword for a book by probably the most prominently
00:07:06.940 pro-LGBT priest, a Jesuit by the name of Father James Martin.
00:07:12.220 Why would even the Holy Father keep using this term?
00:07:15.940 And what's wrong with it?
00:07:16.920 Well, the thing that's wrong with it is that it's decadent and it's self-indulgent.
00:07:23.560 And it's kind of like the difference between being feminine and being effeminate.
00:07:29.600 When a woman acts like a woman, she's feminine. 1.00
00:07:32.640 When a man acts like a woman, he's effeminate. 1.00
00:07:35.940 Feminine has a good connotation.
00:07:38.040 Effeminate has a bad connotation because men aren't supposed to act like women.
00:07:41.380 So it's disordered.
00:07:44.000 It's contrary to nature.
00:07:45.720 And when things are disordered, that has political effects.
00:07:49.940 It has effects on the soul.
00:07:53.480 It has effects, but it has effects on the body politic too.
00:07:56.000 It's just kind of wrong.
00:07:58.740 I was going back through Dante, as I frequently do.
00:08:01.860 And I was just last night listening to a lecture about the circle of the sodomites.
00:08:07.500 Because famously, Dante puts his own teacher, Brunetto Latini, into the circle of the sodomites.
00:08:12.980 It's really weird because there's no source outside of Dante's poem that suggests that his teacher was Little Light in the Loafers.
00:08:22.900 So maybe he was.
00:08:23.940 Maybe Dante knows something about his teacher that the public didn't know.
00:08:26.880 But it seems like he's talking about something more here.
00:08:30.260 And what he's talking about is that his teacher, Brunetto Latini, seeks eternal life, but not the real kind of eternal life, through faith, in heaven, to behold the beatific vision, to enjoy God forever.
00:08:44.540 He seeks a terrestrial eternal life.
00:08:48.540 He seeks eternal life through literature.
00:08:50.480 He seeks eternal life through his poetry and his books that he publishes and fame.
00:08:55.060 And he seeks, he gives up the eternal for the merely political, for the merely human.
00:09:01.400 It's an indulgence.
00:09:03.740 It's something that's decadent.
00:09:05.940 It's frotia gine is what it is.
00:09:08.000 That's what's wrong.
00:09:08.820 And that's especially a problem when we're talking about the church.
00:09:12.240 So when Pope Francis says the church has too much frotia gine in it, we got to get rid of some of the frotia gine.
00:09:17.280 He's not just expressing a point of view that's kind of old-fashioned or bigoted or whatever.
00:09:22.840 He's getting down to something essential to frotia gine, and something essential to the church, which is the church is supposed to have its eyes on the order, the proper order of the universe.
00:09:38.280 And it's supposed to have its eyes beyond the world, beyond the trifles of this world, in the world to come.
00:09:47.320 That's what it's supposed to be looking at.
00:09:48.800 And when we indulge in things that are decadent and, you know, whatever, when we indulge in pride, forget about the weird sex stuff even.
00:09:55.700 Just think about pride itself.
00:09:57.140 What is pride?
00:09:58.020 It's just excessive love of one's own excellence.
00:09:59.740 When you're just focused on yourself, then you're missing out on what you could become.
00:10:06.940 And when you focus on just the things of this world, when you're totally self-satisfied, you're missing out on the life of the world to come.
00:10:13.920 That's what he's talking about.
00:10:15.200 And he's using a funny word to do it.
00:10:16.380 Just like Trump.
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00:10:49.400 Now, speaking of religion, really dumb story.
00:10:52.440 I just want to touch on it briefly.
00:10:54.040 The New York Post, the Washington Examiner, a ton of outlets have reported this.
00:10:58.780 Newly deciphered manuscript is oldest written record of Jesus's childhood.
00:11:03.660 Extraordinary.
00:11:04.280 I saw this headline.
00:11:05.080 I said, I bet this is a bunch of nonsense.
00:11:07.360 And I was immediately proven right.
00:11:10.320 A newly deciphered manuscript dating back more than 1600 years has been identified as the
00:11:14.000 earliest known account of Jesus Christ's childhood.
00:11:16.620 The manuscript, written on papyrus in either the fourth or fifth century, had been stored
00:11:20.480 at a library in Hamburg, Germany for decades and was long believed to be an insignificant
00:11:23.500 document.
00:11:23.840 So, just reading the first line, I knew the whole story was bogus because they say, this
00:11:30.260 document is 1600 years old.
00:11:31.840 I said, well, actually, the earliest account of our Lord's childhood is the Gospel of St.
00:11:36.320 Luke.
00:11:36.700 And the Gospel of St. Luke was written sometime around the year of our Lord, 60.
00:11:42.740 Not 160, 260, 360, 60.
00:11:45.700 But within about 30 years of the crucifixion and the resurrection.
00:11:49.620 Even the Lib scholars who want to deny the reality of the Gospel accounts, even they will 1.00
00:11:56.340 say, yeah, the Gospel according to St. Luke was, let's say it was written in AD 80 or 90.
00:12:02.880 Really, if you read it in light of the book of Acts, it was much more likely written around
00:12:07.700 AD 59 to 61, 62.
00:12:10.740 But regardless, okay, say it's 80 or 90, whatever.
00:12:13.300 That's still way earlier than this supposed manuscript.
00:12:16.500 So, what they're talking about, it gets even sillier.
00:12:20.600 They're talking about the infancy Gospel of Thomas.
00:12:22.500 This is a heretical Gnostic text that was written 100 years after the actual earliest
00:12:29.760 account of our Lord's childhood.
00:12:32.200 And maybe even long, maybe 100, you know, at least a century, maybe 150 years.
00:12:36.780 And it's a text that the early Christian writers, the church fathers, the bishops knew about.
00:12:41.860 And they reject it immediately as being heretical and apocryphal.
00:12:46.740 And so then I see the Washington Examiner.
00:12:49.440 What is it?
00:12:49.720 They write, a newly translated manuscript has now been confirmed to have been the oldest
00:12:52.940 one about Jesus Christ's childhood.
00:12:54.440 That's just not true.
00:12:56.080 It's not newly found.
00:12:57.500 We've known about this for 18 centuries.
00:12:59.360 It's not the earliest manuscript of our Lord's childhood.
00:13:03.400 It's not newly deciphered or anything.
00:13:06.900 It's been translated many, many moons ago.
00:13:08.840 I am just simply begging journalists to learn even like one thing about Christianity before
00:13:21.360 attempting to write about it.
00:13:22.240 Do you remember, it was either the New York Times or the Washington Post, it was one of
00:13:24.920 those really, really mainstream establishment papers.
00:13:28.100 Some years ago, five or 10 years ago, wrote about the tomb where they believe, where Christians
00:13:35.900 supposedly believe, that Jesus Christ is buried.
00:13:40.980 Did you catch that?
00:13:42.200 Did you catch the error in the reporting?
00:13:44.420 I said, and this is, that this is the place where they believe that, where those crazy Christians 1.00
00:13:49.580 believe that Jesus is entombed.
00:13:54.260 If you are a Christian, the most basic fact you believe is that our Lord is not buried or
00:13:59.740 entombed anywhere on earth because of the resurrection, the central fact of the gospels.
00:14:06.420 So they don't know it, that none of these people know anything about it, but they write
00:14:10.600 with such certainty.
00:14:12.780 And it's going to, this happens every few years.
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00:14:18.840 in the beginning.
00:14:20.100 They say, oh, here we go.
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00:15:31.100 One last religion story, because this is actually big news.
00:15:35.200 The Southern Baptists yesterday took a vote to condemn IVF.
00:15:44.780 I want to channel my inner Donald Trump when he was talking to Kanye West.
00:15:48.900 I want to say, thank you, Southern Baptists.
00:15:51.080 Very cool.
00:15:52.360 Extremely based.
00:15:53.600 This is great stuff.
00:15:54.960 Shows a great deal of perspicacity and ready bioethical insight.
00:16:00.600 Politico reports the Southern Baptist Convention, this is the nation's largest and most politically
00:16:05.260 powerful Protestant denomination, voted to oppose in vitro fertilization.
00:16:08.920 Why?
00:16:09.240 The resolution was passed by 11,000 almost so-called messengers to the SBC.
00:16:17.460 They write that IVF, quote, most often participates in the destruction of embryonic human life.
00:16:23.380 They've called on Southern Baptists to adopt and, quote, only utilize reproductive technologies
00:16:27.660 that affirm the unconditional value and right to life of every human being.
00:16:31.780 The resolution is non-binding.
00:16:33.860 Look, we're talking about Protestants, Protestantism, a religious movement that is founded on being
00:16:40.740 non-binding.
00:16:41.660 So, you know, still, this is, it's pretty binding for being non-binding.
00:16:45.920 It impels nearly 13 million Southern Baptists across 45,000 churches to condemn IVF.
00:16:56.420 Really good, because the problem with IVF is, as they mentioned, in practice, it almost always
00:17:02.500 results in the killing or perpetual freezing and eventual killing of a lot of babies.
00:17:09.120 In fact, more babies even than are born as a result of it.
00:17:13.620 There are other and deeper problems with IVF as well, which is that even if IVF didn't lead to
00:17:20.040 the mass killing of babies, as it does, what it does do is invert the natural order by insisting
00:17:30.280 that parents, that adults have a right to a child.
00:17:35.140 And this is a really big problem.
00:17:36.640 We don't have a right to a child.
00:17:37.600 The only person who can be said legitimately to have rights in the process of procreation 0.85
00:17:42.160 is the child who has a right to his natural mother and father to be the product of the
00:17:46.520 specific conjugal act of his mother and father, mother and father bound together in marriage.
00:17:50.560 The child can claim a right to that.
00:17:52.420 Parents don't get to claim a right to a child.
00:17:54.220 You don't get to claim a right to a child in part because a child is a person.
00:17:59.300 And this is one of the great evils of the IVF industry.
00:18:01.900 And you see this especially in the surrogacy industry, which is just a branch of the IVF
00:18:05.840 industry, which is that it treats children, human beings, as commodities to be bought and
00:18:11.920 sold in an open market, to not only to be bought and sold, to be created and bought and sold
00:18:18.000 on the open market through commerce.
00:18:21.840 And that is extraordinarily degrading and contrary to human dignity.
00:18:27.780 That's a problem.
00:18:28.820 So the Catholics have long held this.
00:18:31.820 Until yesterday, the Protestant groups hadn't really weighed in.
00:18:35.840 And so Republican politicians now face a big problem because Republican politicians, up to
00:18:40.280 and including the Republican nominee for president, have come out recently in support of IVF.
00:18:45.280 I said this is a big mistake.
00:18:47.780 I grant to Republicans that this is a bioethically complex issue that most people haven't given much
00:18:53.500 thought to.
00:18:54.360 And so I grant if you run on we're going to get rid of IVF campaign in 2024, that might hurt you in
00:19:01.120 the polls and it's probably not politically prudent.
00:19:03.480 So I'm not saying you got to run on that.
00:19:04.780 I just said if I were advising President Trump or any number of Republican politicians, I would say,
00:19:10.580 hey, just play it cool on IVF.
00:19:12.640 You don't need to campaign against it very actively, but recognize this is bioethically
00:19:18.820 insupportable.
00:19:20.140 It's contrary to the pro-life principles that you all say that you believe in.
00:19:23.760 Just shut up about it for a while.
00:19:26.080 It's going to take people some time to come to grips with the moral, really immoral realities
00:19:31.780 of IVF.
00:19:32.480 But in the meantime, don't embrace it.
00:19:34.420 It's an immoral thing.
00:19:35.540 You're going to look foolish in the long run if you do that.
00:19:37.640 And the Southern Baptists 100% affirmed that view yesterday.
00:19:42.380 So back when it was just Catholics who opposed IVF, I guess the Republican politicians thought,
00:19:48.640 whatever, it doesn't matter.
00:19:50.860 Conservative cat.
00:19:51.680 First of all, the Catholics are split. 0.82
00:19:53.060 Half of them are liberal and kind of apostates.
00:19:54.820 Half of them are conservative.
00:19:57.560 But, you know, this is America.
00:19:58.940 It's a Protestant country.
00:20:00.120 We don't need to worry about that.
00:20:01.060 We'll take the hit.
00:20:01.720 Now, however, this completely changes the political calculation for Republican politicians
00:20:07.320 on IVF.
00:20:08.000 The largest and most powerful Protestant denomination in the country has unequivocally condemned the
00:20:15.760 practice of IVF.
00:20:17.700 This could affect many millions of voters.
00:20:21.300 13 million people are going to hear this from the pulpit now.
00:20:25.060 Republican politicians, you know, in this case, I really hate to say I told you so because
00:20:28.920 I think it was an unforced error from Republican politicians, maybe just play it cool on the
00:20:33.340 IVF thing.
00:20:34.860 Not saying you need to give a lecture on the precise reasons that the practice is immoral
00:20:40.280 and contrary to human dignity, but certainly don't affirm it because now the Catholics and 0.97
00:20:46.240 the largest group of Protestants in the country very clearly say this is not morally acceptable.
00:20:52.840 Now, speaking of children, really disturbing story, most disturbing story of the past several
00:20:58.420 weeks, a woman, a woman, Bianca something or other, allegedly murdered a three-year-old boy and
00:21:05.340 tried to murder his mother in Ohio.
00:21:07.740 The woman was then brought to court. 0.96
00:21:10.160 And while, I mean, you just, I'm a father of a three-year-old child.
00:21:13.540 It, like, is really horrifying.
00:21:15.920 Whenever one can imagine oneself in a news story, to say nothing of the, you know, sadness
00:21:21.880 we feel for the actual people involved here, but it really brings it home.
00:21:25.380 This is about as horrific a crime as you could possibly imagine.
00:21:27.960 She gets dragged to court and she smirks while her crimes are being read to her. 1.00
00:21:31.740 She turns to the camera and raises her eyebrows and smirks in a way that looks demonic. 1.00
00:21:57.540 My name is Jared Wood, father of the deceased, husband of Margo.
00:22:04.620 Your Honor, that day, one week ago, she took everything from us.
00:22:09.740 There's nothing that could ever replace my son or anything that my wife and I, even our
00:22:18.280 other kids, are going through.
00:22:21.280 It's horrendous.
00:22:23.200 Vaughn is set at $5 million, cash, surety, or property, GPS, no contact with any surviving
00:22:30.580 victim or victim's family.
00:22:32.440 Okay, now, so your heart just breaks for this father.
00:22:35.720 The woman who allegedly, I guess I have to say allegedly, murdered this boy, she stops 0.95
00:22:41.500 smirking when she finds out that her bail is set at $5 million.
00:22:44.300 The story deepens, though.
00:22:46.120 She called police in February and she said she murdered someone in California and wanted
00:22:50.840 to kill and eat their flesh.
00:22:52.160 She had, at that time, three warrants out for assault.
00:22:55.680 She was not arrested.
00:22:56.560 Then four days before she killed this little boy, allegedly, she was arrested.
00:23:01.500 And the judge just let her go.
00:23:05.460 They recommended a mental health check because she's obviously nuts. 1.00
00:23:08.080 She's facing severe psychological problems, if not spiritual problems.
00:23:12.160 And the judge just released her without a hearing. 1.00
00:23:14.160 What does society do with a person like this?
00:23:20.360 A lot of people today, even conservative religious people, they say they oppose the death penalty.
00:23:24.900 What is society supposed to do with a person like this?
00:23:27.000 We'll get to that question of justice in just a second.
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00:24:18.280 My favorite comment yesterday is from Tony Tunes, 9301, who says,
00:24:23.200 We've been very clear is the White House spokes ladies' way of saying um. 0.95
00:24:26.780 That's true.
00:24:28.080 People have verbal tics.
00:24:29.300 We all do.
00:24:29.680 I do.
00:24:30.080 Everybody does.
00:24:30.680 When you hear Corinne Jean-Pierre say,
00:24:34.080 Well, let me be very clear.
00:24:35.160 We've been very clear.
00:24:35.980 We've been very clear.
00:24:36.780 You know you are about to hear the most ambiguous, prevaricating, vague statement you've ever heard in your lifetime.
00:24:45.980 To finish up the question of this horrific crime,
00:24:48.340 what is society to do with the people who commit the most horrific crimes?
00:24:52.920 We live in a time now where the Libs say,
00:24:55.160 Let the criminals off the hook.
00:24:56.180 Punish the innocent people, lock up the innocent people, and let the guiltiest people run roughshod over the country.
00:25:01.740 They've got a complete inversion of the order of justice.
00:25:05.320 But the conservatives, too, very often go squishy on this.
00:25:09.320 And they say, Oh, no.
00:25:10.040 We oppose the death penalty.
00:25:11.640 We oppose harsh punishments.
00:25:13.100 We know, really.
00:25:14.280 So let's turn to someone who knows what he's talking about.
00:25:17.400 That would be St. Thomas Aquinas, who is right.
00:25:20.120 You know, you want to know anything.
00:25:21.140 You want to know what to eat for breakfast on Tuesday.
00:25:22.840 Just open up Thomas Aquinas.
00:25:24.240 He's going to have an answer for you.
00:25:27.220 Aquinas writes, According to the judgment of the present life,
00:25:31.040 the death punishment is inflicted not for every mortal sin,
00:25:35.020 but only for such as inflict an irreparable harm,
00:25:37.460 or again for such as contain some horrible deformity.
00:25:41.640 Aquinas is writing that it is permissible to kill a criminal
00:25:44.280 if this is necessary for the welfare of the whole community.
00:25:47.580 So now some people argue, even Catholics will say,
00:25:51.700 that the death penalty is not acceptable.
00:25:54.460 But, of course, St. Paul defends the death penalty.
00:25:56.400 The great doctors of the church have defended the death penalty consistently for 2,000 years.
00:26:00.780 In fact, popes who are beatified have carried out the death penalty.
00:26:04.060 So, you know, obviously there's a place for the death penalty.
00:26:06.460 But Thomas Aquinas here says that punishment is like medicine.
00:26:14.420 Medicine for the whole community, for the common good.
00:26:18.420 Medicine one hopes in some way to give some consolation to the victims.
00:26:23.020 And medicine for the perpetrators.
00:26:29.260 This woman, it would seem, if this woman will not be held in prison forever, 0.86
00:26:34.980 assuming she can't be rehabilitated, probably she can't. 0.99
00:26:39.000 If she can't be held in prison forever, then in order to protect society from her,
00:26:44.160 and in order even to protect her from doing worse,
00:26:48.600 you got to inflict the maximum punishment.
00:26:50.740 That's, otherwise, and there's always going to be imperfections in the justice system,
00:26:57.520 because this is a fallen world.
00:26:59.480 But otherwise, think of the harm you're doing.
00:27:01.480 The fact that we go so soft on crime, the fact that that judge who saw her four days
00:27:05.980 before she inflicted this crime wouldn't do his job.
00:27:10.200 Now a three-year-old boy is gone, and the family will never get over it.
00:27:14.660 I mean, you know, time heals wounds to some degree, but you never, it's never the same.
00:27:21.740 That's a grave injustice, and it's unjust to her. 0.98
00:27:24.780 It's a reminder of an old line from Dr. Johnson.
00:27:26.700 I've said it before, I'll say it again.
00:27:28.780 Depend upon it, sir, when a man is to be hanged in a fortnight, he concentrates his mind wonderfully.
00:27:32.280 That there is actually, not just a retributive aspect to capital punishment,
00:27:36.040 and not even just a deterrent aspect to capital punishment,
00:27:38.920 but there is a rehabilitative aspect to capital punishment.
00:27:41.360 The great Fr. George Rutler has written a good essay on this in Crisis Magazine.
00:27:45.480 Hanging concentrates the mind, okay?
00:27:47.380 And it can be a mercy, even to the guilty.
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00:28:14.160 Now, with no further ado, back to the show.
00:28:16.920 Okay, so what do we do?
00:28:18.440 What do we do, especially when you want to talk about protecting kids,
00:28:21.200 when no one seems to be doing that, and everyone seems to be targeting kids these days?
00:28:24.860 We here at The Daily Wire are very excited to partner up with Angel Studios.
00:28:29.700 So The Daily Wire is getting involved in our first theatrical release.
00:28:34.500 This is with Angel Studios, which definitely knows a thing or two about theatrical releases.
00:28:39.280 You probably saw their excellent movie, Sound of Freedom.
00:28:42.340 They have a new movie, very different kind of movie, but on similar themes.
00:28:46.500 And it's called The Sound of Hope.
00:28:48.040 I got to watch the movie.
00:28:49.160 It's an extraordinarily striking and impressive movie.
00:28:52.240 This is not a movie to watch on a phone or, you know, a TV.
00:28:57.220 For the first time, you are going to want to watch this movie in the theaters.
00:28:59.880 It is a big, beautiful movie.
00:29:02.600 You can go get tickets right now, angel.com slash Michael, M-I-C-H-A-E-L.
00:29:06.760 Don't spell it like people at the coffee shops.
00:29:08.380 It's M-I-C-H-A-E-L. 1.00
00:29:10.120 Here's just a little trailer from the movie.
00:29:12.360 Are you sure these people want us?
00:29:14.780 I know they do.
00:29:16.060 You can call me mama.
00:29:17.100 It's hard to feel like I'm the only one who sees these things.
00:29:27.480 70% of the kids in the system are there because of neglect.
00:29:32.580 The other 30% are put through hell.
00:29:36.080 We need your help.
00:29:39.960 Can you imagine our kids on their own?
00:29:46.440 We can't just look away.
00:29:51.060 The state ain't no family.
00:29:53.840 Are you sure these people want us?
00:29:56.100 I know they do.
00:29:57.420 You can call me mama.
00:30:02.400 Oh, Lord.
00:30:03.240 If we can't wrap our arms around the most vulnerable, then what do we have?
00:30:12.400 No noise.
00:30:13.560 And the children can't take the noise anymore.
00:30:17.700 This is something that we must do.
00:30:24.200 22 families want to adopt.
00:30:26.360 The whole town wants kids now. 0.71
00:30:28.020 That's about right.
00:30:28.960 What's happening with Possum Trot could mean a huge change for the system.
00:30:35.720 We want the ones that nobody else won't.
00:30:39.920 Who hurt you, baby? 1.00
00:30:42.020 I'm not giving up on you.
00:30:43.620 You can't give up on me either.
00:30:47.180 What are we going to do?
00:30:49.500 Everybody's falling apart.
00:30:50.600 I'm doing the best I can.
00:30:54.860 A real world hits heart.
00:30:56.540 I don't want to be here.
00:30:58.960 I can't give him back.
00:31:03.140 We got to work on this together.
00:31:09.720 We're your people now.
00:31:11.860 And love never gives up.
00:31:14.640 Go check it out.
00:31:28.920 You know, I get screeners of movies pretty regularly.
00:31:33.560 And so sometimes I get the movie on, but then I'll be doing work or something on the side.
00:31:37.160 And then, but this movie was really frustrating because I'm just trying to get my work done, you know.
00:31:41.260 But the movie is so good.
00:31:42.500 Then I put the work aside and I'm watching the movie.
00:31:46.600 Really exciting stuff.
00:31:47.620 And I'm excited, too, that we're partnering up with Angel Studios to get this movie into theaters.
00:31:52.220 Because I believe the way that you really affect a culture and a political order is not just through glittering screens.
00:32:00.520 I'm coming to you right now through a screen or through your AirPods or whatever you're listening to.
00:32:04.100 But we are incarnate creatures.
00:32:07.400 We got to be in the real world.
00:32:08.560 And we're the social animal.
00:32:09.980 And we got to be together.
00:32:11.400 And it's not enough to just watch a little movie on a screen in your pod.
00:32:14.140 You got to go out.
00:32:14.940 It's good to go out with other people in a theater, enjoy things socially.
00:32:19.540 This is part of the reason that I have a cigar company called Mayflower Cigars is, well, and I like cigars and they're excellent cigars.
00:32:25.920 But two, because it encourages social activity.
00:32:30.940 And it's a physical object.
00:32:32.200 And you buy it in a store, in the real world.
00:32:34.740 And it's part, and you get your whole body into it, okay?
00:32:38.020 That's how you win back a culture and reshape standards and norms.
00:32:41.980 And so it's very important that we start getting into theaters.
00:32:45.960 It's a great honor and privilege to partner with Angel.
00:32:48.720 So angel.com slash Michael.
00:32:53.420 Speaking of hope and entertaining spectacles, one last story before we get to the mailbag.
00:32:59.200 This is over in the UK, this conservative figure, Nigel Farage.
00:33:03.840 He's responsible for the Brexit.
00:33:06.740 He's a great, charming, cigar-chomping, right-wing character.
00:33:11.180 He has a huge fan base in America.
00:33:13.660 But he was a European parliament figure, right?
00:33:17.060 He goes to Europe.
00:33:17.900 He says, we're going to pull out of this stupid body.
00:33:19.940 And they all laugh at him.
00:33:20.760 Then he shows up.
00:33:21.220 He says, who's laughing now?
00:33:22.080 And he does the Brexit.
00:33:23.100 Well, now he's got a party that's running in the UK elections to take over.
00:33:29.460 The old conservative party in the UK is really, really squishy.
00:33:32.280 They're probably to the left of our Democrats here in America.
00:33:34.820 And he says, people want a choice, not an echo.
00:33:37.020 So I'm going to run, it's called the Reform UK Party.
00:33:41.140 This guy launches his party.
00:33:42.800 Five seconds later, it is out-polling the conservatives, the Tories in the UK.
00:33:49.260 This is really important.
00:33:51.180 And it has implications for America.
00:33:53.520 The Tory party, the modern UK conservative party, was formed in 1834.
00:33:59.180 That's 150 years ago.
00:34:00.500 They might be blown away by, I'm sorry, that's more than 150 years ago.
00:34:09.860 That's what, 190 years ago, by my math?
00:34:14.200 They could be blown away by Nigel Farage, this mouthy British cigar-chomping politician, in a matter of weeks.
00:34:24.600 That can happen.
00:34:25.860 Old political parties can go away.
00:34:27.360 Anyway, Farage is a kind of Trumpian figure.
00:34:32.400 The GOP in America was founded in 1854.
00:34:35.520 It's younger, actually, than the Tory party that could be blown away in this election.
00:34:40.400 I mean, I don't mean blown away in the polls.
00:34:41.880 I mean blown away out of existence.
00:34:44.480 And a new thing could come about, led by this new kind of conservative.
00:34:50.480 Nigel Farage, who's really an older kind of conservative.
00:34:52.800 Just as Trump is a new kind of conservative, who's really an older kind of conservative.
00:34:55.660 This could happen to the GOP.
00:34:58.140 When the parties don't serve their base, they get blown away.
00:35:01.180 Nothing in this life that is temporal is eternal.
00:35:04.300 All these things can get blown away.
00:35:06.100 That's the Trump movement.
00:35:07.140 And the squishes in the Republican Party, who wanted to pretend that Trump was just a TV fad that would go away, that's not true.
00:35:14.820 Trump rose to the top of the party because he offered something to Republican voters who had been neglected by their own party for a very, very long time.
00:35:25.200 That's the movement here.
00:35:26.520 Both of them really are running on very similar issues, chief of which is immigration.
00:35:30.720 Wait to see that here as well.
00:35:33.300 You don't like the Republican establishment or the Republican establishment's getting too solid and rigid.
00:35:38.600 Well, then they're not going to endure.
00:35:43.360 You saw the Brexit in 2016.
00:35:45.140 Then you saw the election of Trump.
00:35:46.380 Watch what the UK is doing now.
00:35:47.760 You might be seeing the same thing here in America.
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00:36:09.660 As a parent, watching these kids dive into the digital jungle is nuts.
00:36:14.240 As far as I'm concerned, I can't imagine letting your kid go on to some of these social networks.
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00:37:28.440 Take it away.
00:37:29.960 Hello, sir.
00:37:30.660 Veronica here.
00:37:31.400 Big fan of yours.
00:37:32.500 I have two questions.
00:37:33.520 If that's okay.
00:37:34.060 First, is there a chance that with time scientists will discover that the original translation
00:37:39.220 of the Bible was wrong and Jesus was not the Son?
00:37:42.400 Does the Catholic Church have a contingency plan for that?
00:37:45.660 And secondly, I'm Kathleen from Poland.
00:37:47.760 My husband is Muslim from India.
00:37:49.740 With God's help, we are celebrating 10th wedding anniversary in August.
00:37:53.640 We live in the UK.
00:37:54.620 We have three children.
00:37:56.060 My dream from childhood is to live in America.
00:37:58.120 Is that a good decision to push my dream to move to the USA or I should give up and look
00:38:03.620 for happiness in the rain in England?
00:38:05.500 Thank you so much.
00:38:07.300 Okay.
00:38:07.980 Really good questions.
00:38:09.180 So the first one, is there a contingency plan held by the Catholic Church if the basic facts
00:38:16.200 of the faith are ever disproven?
00:38:18.760 No.
00:38:19.620 Either it happened.
00:38:20.420 St. Paul writes this, you know, if the resurrection didn't happen, then we're a bunch of idiots
00:38:24.300 and our faith is in vain.
00:38:26.160 So no, I'm quite confident, however, that despite the silly headlines from the New York
00:38:31.260 Post and the Washington Examiner, no, I don't think there's ever going to be, you know, some
00:38:36.460 fedora-wearing atheist saying, see, ha ha, we disproved it.
00:38:40.840 No, I don't think it's going to happen.
00:38:42.360 But good question.
00:38:43.340 Second question, because it's a good question because it really gets to the apparent conflict
00:38:51.920 between faith and our scientific age.
00:38:55.400 What faith even means.
00:38:56.600 So a second question, should you come to America?
00:39:00.240 Come to Tennessee.
00:39:01.800 Yes, you should still come to America.
00:39:03.380 It's great.
00:39:03.580 Congratulations on your wedding anniversary.
00:39:05.500 America is still the most powerful country in the world.
00:39:07.560 You can still do pretty much whatever you want here, but not, you can't do whatever you
00:39:10.800 want anywhere you want in America.
00:39:12.820 So I reckon, if you'd asked me 10, 20 years ago, I'd say, oh, you're from overseas. 1.00
00:39:17.000 Well, go check out New York.
00:39:18.260 Go to check out LA or San Francisco or DC or whatever.
00:39:21.140 Now I would say, come check out Franklin, Tennessee.
00:39:25.520 That's where you're going to live your best life.
00:39:27.240 Next question.
00:39:28.940 Hey, Michael.
00:39:29.960 Long-time listener.
00:39:31.100 First-time caller.
00:39:31.980 Thank you so much for doing the show.
00:39:36.580 I love to hear your thoughts.
00:39:38.180 And your thoughts on women in the workplace was very challenging to me, but in a good way. 1.00
00:39:44.400 And I actually just quit my job.
00:39:47.080 My husband and I are expecting our first baby in about a month.
00:39:50.780 And I just wanted to know if you have any parenting advice and especially first-time parenting advice.
00:39:58.700 My husband and I have a tradition of listening to the mailbag together every Friday.
00:40:02.760 So we would love to know your thoughts.
00:40:05.220 Thanks.
00:40:06.060 Sure.
00:40:06.600 Well, congratulations.
00:40:07.960 That's great news.
00:40:08.740 And I'm glad to hear that my advice was challenging, but in a good way.
00:40:14.200 Because you might have just said, you know, if I said, look, women generally enjoy being mothers, 1.00
00:40:20.120 and they're probably not going to enjoy working for Mr. McGillicuddy at the widget factory all day
00:40:24.980 and missing out on their kid's childhood.
00:40:26.600 They'll probably prefer raising their own kids. 0.82
00:40:29.400 And to hear you say, well, yeah, initially I didn't want to hear that.
00:40:34.100 But it was challenging in a good way in that I came to agree with you and quit my job because I realized I did agree with you.
00:40:40.300 So I think there are a lot of women like that. 1.00
00:40:42.420 Saying, no, I've been told my whole life by my, you know, feminist teacher or aunt or something that I have to have a job 0.98
00:40:48.620 and it's the most important thing in the world.
00:40:49.920 Look, some women want to have a job. 1.00
00:40:52.340 Marriage, motherhood, it's not for everybody. 0.93
00:40:54.500 But for most people, that probably is what they want.
00:40:59.300 And our culture is so deceptive because they tell you you're not allowed to desire that.
00:41:04.980 You're not allowed to desire what you naturally desire.
00:41:07.280 So the parenting advice for your first kid, just enjoy it.
00:41:12.660 It'll be okay.
00:41:14.840 Keep up, you know, I know I'll get in trouble for this.
00:41:17.320 I think the gender roles generally work. 1.00
00:41:20.660 Maybe your husband washes some dishes every once in a while.
00:41:23.200 Well, maybe you change a light bulb every once in a while.
00:41:26.700 I'm not saying, these are not rigid rules because you're one flesh and what's really animating both of you is love.
00:41:32.440 It's not, you know, some, you know, rigid set of rules or something.
00:41:37.800 It's love.
00:41:38.560 So there's that.
00:41:40.960 But just, you know, enjoy it.
00:41:42.480 It'll be okay.
00:41:43.520 It'll be all right.
00:41:46.160 Here's a little bit of very tangible and practical advice.
00:41:48.860 There's an impulse that the man is going to feel to, when you're waking up 10 times a night to feed, that he's going to wake up and sit up with you for moral support.
00:41:57.980 You don't need his moral support.
00:41:59.800 You need a functioning husband. 1.00
00:42:01.560 The husband should not wake up with the wife when she's feeding the kid. 1.00
00:42:04.080 I mean, if she needs some help putting the kid back in the crib or whatever, sure.
00:42:06.440 But if it's just sitting up to say, I'm going to also be really tired with you.
00:42:10.560 No, because the husband's going to be tired in other ways.
00:42:12.160 Because especially if you quit your job, the husband's going to have to go out and he's going to have to work a lot more.
00:42:16.340 And when you just need that nap or you're going to die, he's going to be the one with the kids.
00:42:21.080 So don't think you both have to be doing the same thing at the same time.
00:42:25.440 You don't.
00:42:26.540 The baby 90% of the time doesn't want to deal with his dada. 0.95
00:42:30.420 You know, he wants his mama and that's good and that's normal. 0.95
00:42:34.820 But dada is going to be doing his own thing.
00:42:36.320 So for the dada, you know, make sure you are doing your role to the absolute best degree you possibly can. 0.77
00:42:43.980 And the same goes for mama. 1.00
00:42:44.960 And have a good time.
00:42:45.540 Next one.
00:42:47.140 Howdy, Michael.
00:42:47.880 YLFAM307 here in the chat.
00:42:49.820 Proud member of the Creme de la Creme.
00:42:51.680 I have, I guess I have something for you.
00:42:57.380 So I recently watched the movie Tread, that documentary about that guy who built a homemade tank out of a dozer.
00:43:06.320 And, um, I guess just given that situation of what happened, you know, tread on them who tread on you.
00:43:15.360 I'm, I feel like we may have the same thing happen since Democrats have been poking the bear for so long.
00:43:22.760 Do you think it's too far to left field to think that this election, given the severity of it, very well could be something that causes conservatives to snap should Joe Biden steal the election again?
00:43:37.200 And, um, but thanks.
00:43:39.040 I'd love to hear your thoughts and, uh, appreciate all that you do.
00:43:42.280 Thank you so much.
00:43:43.080 Good question.
00:43:44.480 Sounds more like, this is less a, a tread post and more of a fed post.
00:43:48.820 If you're, if you're asking me, you know, is it time to take up arms against the government?
00:43:53.100 I, I don't think it is, but to your point, could this election, if they, you know, imprison our leaders and if they upend our political order illegally and change the election rules, you know, so on and so forth, could this cause conservatives to snap?
00:44:10.960 Probably not is my answer, uh, without passing any judgment on that prediction.
00:44:17.800 I just think, no, I think it's going to take a lot.
00:44:22.140 Now, the fact that it doesn't take a lot to make the libs violent, the libs are extremely violent and they're celebrated for their violence, but conservatives don't really get violent very much.
00:44:32.060 The nearest thing that they pretend we were violent over was the January 6th insurrection.
00:44:37.820 And you'll remember the only person who died in the political violence of that day was one of the right wingers, not a left winger.
00:44:44.600 It's mostly just, you know, a horn hat guy being escorted through the Capitol by police and doing whatever he wants.
00:44:50.560 You know, kind of funny Florida man smiling for a picture with Nancy Pelosi's lectern.
00:44:55.360 So it wasn't really all that violent.
00:44:57.160 The libs, on the other hand, are violent all the time.
00:45:00.040 And, you know, Antifa tries to kill me and other conservative speakers just for talking on college campuses.
00:45:05.000 And, I mean, Antifa threw an explosive at a wall because I was about to debate the question of transgenderism.
00:45:14.680 And, of course, there was BLM, which, you know, in which the leftists were encouraged to rape, kill, pillage, and burn, murder dozens of people for eight months coast to coast.
00:45:25.040 So they get violent.
00:45:25.820 I just don't think we do that very often.
00:45:27.760 And it's good that we're not eager for civil war because civil war involves shooting your cousins, and I don't really want to do that.
00:45:35.100 But civil war can happen.
00:45:39.000 We were talking about Dante earlier.
00:45:40.060 I talk about Dante all the time.
00:45:41.440 For Dante, civil war is politics.
00:45:44.440 He's writing in the context of a civil war that has led him to be exiled from Florence.
00:45:48.240 And it's just constant.
00:45:49.860 It's a fact of political life.
00:45:52.120 And it's a fact of a fallen world.
00:45:53.980 So civil war does happen.
00:45:56.700 Sometimes, you know, I think we're too quick to raise the prospect of civil war.
00:46:01.920 But we don't really – I think we're actually a little rosy in Pollyanna about the fact that it actually can happen.
00:46:10.240 When it happens, it's really bad.
00:46:11.940 So could it happen?
00:46:13.000 Yeah.
00:46:13.340 That's a fact of politics.
00:46:14.640 Hope it doesn't.
00:46:15.860 Next question.
00:46:16.440 Good morning, Michael.
00:46:18.240 This is Arun.
00:46:19.260 So currently, President Donald Trump is searching for a vice presidential running mate.
00:46:24.560 My question for you is, should he avoid candidates who are white, Asian, or Indian?
00:46:30.880 Now, I hate the fact that I even have to ask this question.
00:46:33.760 As you know, I famously despise racial politics.
00:46:36.900 I would be equally fine with a government consisting entirely of white people and a government consisting entirely of black people. 0.97
00:46:44.040 I would love to live under a triumvirate consisting of Byron Donalds, Ben Carson, and Alan West.
00:46:50.520 I think the only thing that matters when selecting our government is to search for individuals who love America and who believe in our founding principles as enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.
00:47:03.700 Unfortunately, a lot of Americans, including many Republican voters, disagree with me.
00:47:08.040 I'm active in Minnesota politics, and in the Minnesota GOP, a lot of people would like to see more women, more minorities and such involved in Republican politics. 0.98
00:47:20.020 And this is not something I care about.
00:47:22.360 This is not something that I think anyone should care about.
00:47:24.440 Unfortunately, people care about this.
00:47:26.280 Given that, do you think that for strategic reasons, Donald Trump should avoid the so-called preferred races of white, Asian, and Indian when he is looking for a running mate?
00:47:39.640 Thank you, as always, for your wisdom.
00:47:41.860 Good point.
00:47:42.600 Really good point.
00:47:43.300 And I agree with you about the triumvirate.
00:47:45.480 You know, Byron and Ben Carson and Alan West or even Alan Keyes.
00:47:50.660 Could you imagine Alan Keyes?
00:47:52.040 That would be a terrific government.
00:47:53.560 I'm all for it.
00:47:54.400 But, yeah, people care about racial identity.
00:48:00.320 I disagree, though.
00:48:01.940 I think in as much as Trump is going to play identity politics, I think you should pick a white guy.
00:48:10.440 I'm with you.
00:48:11.220 I think there are plenty of black candidates who would be great.
00:48:14.500 I'd be thrilled about it.
00:48:16.320 There are some Hispanic candidates I would be thrilled about and all other sorts of races and everything.
00:48:22.120 But so if he is going to play identity politics, I don't think tokenism plays very well on the right.
00:48:32.600 You know, ha-ha, see, we have a black guy.
00:48:35.340 See, ha-ha, we're going to win you over, liberals.
00:48:37.500 No, you're not.
00:48:37.840 You're not going to convince any liberals with that.
00:48:39.020 They're just going to call the black guy an Uncle Tom.
00:48:40.340 So I don't think that works.
00:48:41.720 If you're going to play identity politics, say, hey, white people are discriminated against in all manner of hiring and college admissions today.
00:48:47.520 So, you know, I'm going to pick that white guy because, I don't know, like most people are white in America.
00:48:51.480 So if we're going to play the game, I guess, well, let me do that.
00:48:53.620 But I think probably that wouldn't have a major effect either.
00:48:57.600 But if it did, why not play it that way?
00:49:00.640 Or you could just pick the guy that you think holistically is the best candidate.
00:49:03.980 But no reason to believe that playing left-wing racial identity politics is any better or more advantageous than playing any other kind of identity politics.
00:49:15.120 Okay, the rest of the show continues now.
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