The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 158 - Which Is Worse： MS-13 Or MSM？

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00:00:43.580 in 2016, Democrats have now taken to defending face-tattooed, child-slaughtering, illegal alien 0.99

00:00:50.540 psychopath gangsters. I'm sure that one's going to work out great in November, guys. We will 0.92

00:00:54.900 analyze which is worse, MS-13 or the MSM. Then Lord Conrad Black joins to discuss his new book,

00:01:02.280 Donald J. Trump, a president like no other. You can say that again. And we will round out the news

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00:03:24.900 He's just gone, he's gone too far. It was bad enough when he slaughtered half of the country

00:03:30.660 with net neutrality. You know, when they repealed net neutrality and everybody literally died.

00:03:34.480 And then, then he reformed our tax code. He lowered people's taxes, lowered the corporate

00:03:40.400 rate. I don't, I don't know how many people died in that, but now he's gone too far. Donald Trump is

00:03:45.080 now criticizing murderous psychopath gangsters. It's too far. Here are Donald Trump's comments. 0.99

00:03:51.040 Be an MS-13 gang member I know about. If they don't reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about

00:03:57.160 them. We have people coming into the country who are trying to come in. We're stopping 1.00

00:04:01.660 a lot of them. But we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad

00:04:06.200 these people are. These aren't people. These are animals. And we're taking them out of the

00:04:12.520 country at a level and at a rate that's never happened before. And because of the weak laws,

00:04:18.500 they come in fast. We get them. We release them. We get them again. We bring them out. It's crazy.

00:04:25.960 The mainstream media are furious that Donald Trump would say such a thing, 1.00

00:04:30.720 that violent, terrible criminals are animals. So we'll get to the headlines in a second. We'll 0.92

00:04:35.780 get to the mainstream media and the Democrat response in a second. First, just a little bit

00:04:39.400 of context. Here's a quick rundown of some of MS-13's gang crimes from just this year and last year.

00:04:46.220 Last November, Donald Trump's administration arrested 200 members of this gang in America.

00:04:50.460 America. This year, we've arrested 100. We don't know how many gang members are in this country.

00:04:56.700 It's a violent gang, primarily from El Salvador, MS-13. Here's a quick rundown. Let's just look at

00:05:02.180 this week. On Tuesday, a man's body was discovered in a shallow grave dug in a park in Washington,

00:05:08.600 D.C. MS-13 gang members dug that grave before they stabbed the man more than 100 times, cut off

00:05:15.060 his head, and ripped out his heart. And then, so Donald Trump called those guys animals. The 0.97

00:05:20.960 mainstream media, they're furious. They're furious. Here are some other MS-13 gang crimes just from last

00:05:25.460 year. MS-13 affiliate Venus Romero tortured, stabbed, and killed a 15-year-old girl for dating her 1.00

00:05:31.600 boyfriend in January of last year. Another MS-13 gang member murdered 15-year-old Damaris Alexandra

00:05:37.540 Reyes Rivas. And by the way, just notice something here. A lot of these victims are Hispanic. A lot

00:05:43.220 of these victims actually are immigrants from the same places that this gang comes from. So they say,

00:05:47.820 oh, it's racist when you're talking about these animals accusing these people of the crimes that

00:05:52.240 they have obviously committed. A lot of the victims are from those same areas. They're from the same

00:05:56.600 immigrant groups. Another crime. Miguel Alvarez Flores and Diego Hernandez Rivera kidnapped, sexually

00:06:02.820 tortured, and murdered a teenage girl. That was last February. Three MS-13 gang members stabbed

00:06:08.500 and mutilated 17-year-old Raymond Wood before running him over with their car, cutting off his

00:06:13.600 hands, and leaving him for dead. That was in March. Also in March, Hector Lazo and Pedro Rivera shot 37-year-old

00:06:20.640 Nelson Rodriguez in the back of the head. He was just walking down the street. In April, two documented

00:06:26.320 MS-13 gang members shot an 11-year-old girl and two teenage boys in Houston. Documented meaning we

00:06:32.640 knew who they were. We knew they were here illegally. We knew that they were members of this gang, but 0.69

00:06:36.700 well, we couldn't do anything. It's really hard to do anything about that. We wouldn't want people to

00:06:40.560 think that we think of them as animals. That would be racist for some reason or whatever the mainstream

00:06:45.940 media says. In April of last year, MS-13 gangsters wielding machetes mutilated and murdered four

00:06:52.380 victims between 16 and 20, around the same time as they murdered seven others in the same

00:06:56.420 neighborhoods. Alexi Sainz murdered three Long Island high school students last year, MS-13 gang

00:07:03.020 member. He attacked two young girls at the same time while they were walking through their suburban

00:07:06.840 neighborhood. Three MS-13 gangsters were arrested last May after they slashed a 19-year-old with a

00:07:12.920 machete and shot him point blank. MS-13 gang member Carlos Gonzalez murdered his girlfriend,

00:07:17.900 Marisa Lopez, last year. That guy is still at large. I could go on for the

00:07:22.300 whole rest of the show with these people's crimes. They are face tattooed demons from hell. Only God 0.98

00:07:27.620 can judge people, but the Donald Trump administration can arrange the meeting. There's nothing wrong with

00:07:32.880 that. And actually, the more you read about these crimes, you realize that what Donald Trump said is

00:07:37.980 not true. These people are not animals. They are much, much worse than animals. Because animals aren't

00:07:43.900 morally culpable for what they do. When the tiger eats the little animal in the jungle, it's not like the

00:07:50.140 tiger is sinning. It's not like the tiger has committed some immoral act. It's just in the tiger's

00:07:55.020 nature to eat other animals. But when human beings who have a moral conscience, when they mutilate

00:08:01.500 people, kill teenage girls, maim, cut off body parts, cut off heads, when they do that, they are committing 0.86

00:08:07.160 evil. They are pervaded by evil when they should know better. When they do know better, but they choose 1.00

00:08:14.680 to do evil things. It's much worse than animals. We should all be able to agree that these guys are

00:08:19.720 pretty bad, right? I think, you know, I know we're in a time of political disagreement, political

00:08:25.980 rancor. I think we can all agree that face tattooed gangsters who decapitate little teenage girls, probably

00:08:32.600 those guys are not good people, right? That's what you would think. How did the Democrats and the mainstream

00:08:39.080 media react? They defended the psychopath gangsters. This is so some of the, some of the headlines we 0.97

00:08:45.980 have here. Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a white house meeting, calling

00:08:52.100 those trying to breach the country's borders animals. You saw this in the New York times, but he 0.73

00:08:57.240 wasn't lashing out at undocumented immigrants. He wasn't lashing out at illegal aliens. He was lashing

00:09:03.680 out at violent criminals. And this actually gets to an incredible point of the mainstream media and

00:09:09.020 the Democrat party's bigotry, which is that they're conflating violent psychopath gangsters with all 0.91

00:09:16.020 illegal aliens. Donald Trump didn't do that. He made a, he was very specific. He said, these people 0.80

00:09:21.220 are animals. These people are sick monsters and we got to get them out. And the mainstream media said, 1.00

00:09:26.840 you're calling all illegal aliens, all immigrants, animals, all immigrants are less than human. He said, 0.97

00:09:33.960 what are you talking about? I never said that the illegal aliens are all psychopath criminals. You said that. 0.99

00:09:39.540 It goes on. Jennifer Rubin said, she writes for the Washington post. She pretends to be a

00:09:45.080 Republican. She's one of the biggest Democrat shills in the entire country. She tweeted, quote,

00:09:49.920 this is disgusting. And Trump's evangelical sycophants will applaud his utter dehumanization 0.98

00:09:57.120 of men, women, and children. I don't know how many little girls are members of MS-13. I suspect

00:10:04.080 zero. None of them are. But this actually, this really lowers my estimation of Jennifer Rubin.

00:10:10.300 I always thought she was just one of those fake Republicans that the mainstream media hires so that 1.00

00:10:15.700 they can pretend that they have a Republican opinion and they just use that person constantly

00:10:19.340 to criticize Republicans. But here she's just flat out lying. I don't think she's stupid enough

00:10:23.460 to actually think that Donald Trump is, is saying something that he obviously didn't say. 1.00

00:10:28.200 So here we just have a flat out liar in Jennifer Rubin. It's really pathetic from Andrea Mitchell 0.99

00:10:33.120 at NBC. But by the way, just a point on Andrea Mitchell. It took me approximately 24 years of my 0.95

00:10:38.560 life on this earth to realize that Andrea Mitchell and Mika Brzezinski are not the same person.

00:10:43.560 Did you know that, that they're not the same person? I don't know. It's just to say,

00:10:46.600 maybe other people realized it. This was news to me. So she tweets out, quote,

00:10:51.140 a tough takedown by the California governor after real Donald Trump calls people trying to get into

00:10:57.740 the country, animals, not people. Again, he didn't call people trying to get it. Well,

00:11:03.180 he called some people trying to get into the country, animals, not people like the vicious

00:11:07.420 gangsters. And this gets to an important point of illegal immigration. Some of the people trying to

00:11:13.240 get into our country are vicious gangster criminals who should not be allowed in. She's, 1.00

00:11:18.200 she's actually unwittingly tried to, she's unwittingly made our point, right? Which is

00:11:25.660 that it's not all just really nice, polite workers coming in who are the people entering our country. 0.99

00:11:31.360 Some of them are criminals. Some are those bad people that Trump talked about when he launched

00:11:34.880 his campaign. From Benji Sarlin, a political reporter at NBC, quote, one of Trump's most consistent

00:11:40.280 rhetorical moves is comparing large classes of human beings to animals, a political tactic with a long

00:11:46.400 deadly history. I think he's making the argumentum ad Hitlerum at this point. You know, anybody who 0.87

00:11:52.280 disagrees with me is Hitler. That's what he's saying about Trump. Christian Farias from New York

00:11:57.340 magazine, never, ever forget this fact. Donald Trump reserves the word animals only for brown

00:12:03.100 people. So what you are saying, buddy, is that all brown people are criminals. That's what you're 1.00

00:12:07.860 saying. You're saying that they're animals and they're criminals, but that's not what Donald Trump 0.90

00:12:11.180 is saying. He's saying some people are criminals and those people are animals. You're conflating 0.95

00:12:15.240 race and crime. It's not the Republicans doing it. It's not Donald Trump doing it. It's you,

00:12:19.940 mainstream media. And to round it all out, Tyler Hansen from the D-Trip, the Democratic Congressional

00:12:24.520 Campaign Committee, he sends out these pictures of these little immigrant kids, these like sweet

00:12:29.480 little kids and crying parents. It says, Trump, we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't

00:12:33.820 believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals. So that's just a lie,

00:12:37.980 right? He's not talking about those people. He's talking about gangsters. The mainstream media,

00:12:41.540 the Democrats, they're now defending MS-13. The strategy that they have undertaken is to oppose

00:12:47.140 anything that Trump does. The trouble for them is that Trump is doing successful and popular things

00:12:52.100 on the economy, on foreign affairs, on domestic affairs, on immigration. So they're opposing that,

00:12:58.120 but that leads them into these absurd positions like defending MS-13. They say, okay, Trump likes

00:13:04.580 kicking out gangsters. So we need to bring them into the country. We'll just do the opposite.

00:13:09.960 Keep it up, guys. Keep it up, Democrats. Good work. Yeah. Can't wait for November.

00:13:13.600 Okay. Let's bring on our guest, Lord Conrad Black. Conrad Black is a member of the British

00:13:19.460 House of Lords. He's a financier, a newspaper tycoon, historian, biographer, excellent columnist.

00:13:26.560 I suggest you read his writings. He has a new book out. I really, really like this book. I highly

00:13:32.360 recommend it. Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other. This book has just come out this week.

00:13:37.160 You have to read it. Lord Black, thank you for being here.

00:13:40.980 Thank you for having me, Michael. And I want to say I agreed with everything you've said in the

00:13:46.300 part that I've seen, especially that beastly woman, Jennifer Rubin. It's high time she was unmasked. 1.00

00:13:51.920 It is. It is so frustrating because so many times with these Republicans who all they ever do is try

00:13:59.040 to get Democrats to like them, I say, okay, you're opportunistic. That's fine. But this is outright

00:14:04.840 lies. And there are a lot of lies about President Donald Trump. You have written the best coverage of

00:14:11.840 Donald Trump that I have read. This book is so, so good. And it gives a perspective that people are

00:14:17.500 just not getting in the media. I want to delve into that. Some of the lies, some of the distortions

00:14:22.640 that we have. Let's begin with a sort of obvious one. A lot of people are telling us here that Donald

00:14:29.540 Trump is secretly an idiot. He's just a dummy. He doesn't know anything. And he's just made it to 1.00

00:14:35.540 the highest points of real estate and casinos and politics and television just by luck or by whatever.

00:14:43.420 What is it? You write about how Donald Trump has a real genius for real estate.

00:14:52.000 How did he manage to make it to the top of that industry and every other?

00:14:56.160 Well, in the case of real estate, he had an absolutely tireless devotion, as he has said at

00:15:05.100 times, to putting the deal together. And it means going to a bankrupt organization,

00:15:10.520 persuading claimants and suitors to hand over for some sort of consideration, but not tangible and

00:15:19.840 not upfront, their claims in respect to real estate assets. And then shopping this around

00:15:26.840 through proper financial circles to get building loans and municipal approvals and approval of

00:15:34.940 creditors. And it is an unbelievably exacting process. But his first big deal, the old Commodore

00:15:40.820 Hotel between the Chrysler Building and Grand Central Station in New York, that's what he did.

00:15:45.720 And he didn't have anything. He said, I have your assigned contract. He held press conferences every

00:15:50.820 day. And he was just a very young man. And he did have a signed contract. It was signed by him,

00:15:56.200 but not by the other party. He didn't say that. So it always puts you into the position of being a bit

00:16:02.700 of a huckster and a peddler and a slightly shabby middleman. But if you stay at it hard enough and

00:16:11.360 are as ingenious at it as he was, without putting up a cent, you make a fortune. And that's what he did.

00:16:18.100 And now he got carried away. And he ended up for a time with a negative net worth. But he convened the

00:16:23.660 bankers himself. And he knew the last thing in the world they wanted to do was call the loans.

00:16:28.340 They'd have to acknowledge the assets were going to be severely devalued. And the last thing in the

00:16:34.140 world a banker wants to do was try and run a real estate business. And all he had to do was say,

00:16:38.320 look, just sit tight. I'll give you all the, pledge you all the collateral I can. And this is my

00:16:44.340 plan of action to work my way out of this. And that's what happened. And going back to what you said

00:16:50.080 about this allegation against him of being essentially deep down he shallow. The fact

00:16:55.700 is, as I pointed out towards the end of the book, and thank you for your kind words about it,

00:16:59.980 he achieved more, objectively speaking, he achieved more before he was inaugurated president

00:17:05.020 than any previous holder of that office except Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Grant, and Eisenhower.

00:17:12.120 And I'm not denigrating the others. Most of the others had serious careers, some of them very

00:17:15.760 substantial, like Woodrow Wilson at Princeton University and so forth. But not like that,

00:17:20.920 not where you make billions of dollars. You decide to become a television performer from day one and

00:17:26.940 for 15 years without one single interruption. You're pulling over 25 million viewers. Top slot

00:17:33.040 every week for 15 years, except two nights opposite American Idol. Now, I never watched that kind of

00:17:38.860 television. I never watched one of Donald's programs, but that's not the point. He was a great success.

00:17:42.860 And to take over the Republican Party, either party, but the only other person who did this was

00:17:48.680 Wendell Wilkie, where you have never sought or held a public office, elected or non-elected,

00:17:56.040 or a military command, and you take over the party. Wilkie did it for the great honor of running

00:18:02.380 against Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who was invincible. Nobody could ever defeat him.

00:18:06.660 And, and, and Donald Trump did it. And, and then, and then he actually won this election. It was an

00:18:12.600 astonishing feat. And how anyone, I mean, I understand why people don't like him. I understand

00:18:17.740 why they feel threatened by him. I understand how they find him distasteful. All of that I understand.

00:18:22.540 But to say that he is not an accomplished and capable man is an outrage.

00:18:26.640 And I love that the book is actually rather even handed. There's, there's no hiding. I think you

00:18:32.860 admire Donald Trump. I admire Donald Trump, but the account is...

00:18:36.240 Yeah, but he's an annoying public personality at times.

00:18:39.020 That's right. Well, the, the fact of the biography is that it is honest about his, some of his flaws.

00:18:46.640 As you, you mentioned the hucksterism. You're, you're quite open about that. Even some of his

00:18:51.360 business failings, some of his untruths that he's told along the way.

00:18:54.760 Trump University was a bit much, Michael. I mean, I mean, in one sense, it's magnificent. If you

00:19:00.280 can actually, in that PT Barnum way, if you'd ever go bankrupt on, you know, exaggerating the

00:19:06.880 intelligence of the public. But I mean, it's, it's outrageous and it's, but it's amusing, but it is

00:19:13.100 outrageous.

00:19:13.760 It is. I've actually only been referring to Wharton School and the University of Pennsylvania as Trump

00:19:18.300 University these days, because I know it bothers the students there. But, but you write early on in the

00:19:23.100 book, you say, it is also Trump's nature honed by the rough and tumble of his career, including

00:19:29.900 observing his father's business, uh, to believe that no competitive activity beyond the playing

00:19:35.080 field, if that is quite as pristine as represented. He's not so much a cynic as a methodological

00:19:41.300 agnostic, not a liar as much as a disbeliever in absolute secular truths. And there is a lot in that

00:19:49.060 sentence. What do you mean by it? And what is Donald Trump's relationship to the truth?

00:19:54.740 Just, uh, I'll take the last part first, if I may. Um, you have to examine his relationship

00:20:03.620 to the truth in, in, in looking upon him as we are, as a public figure, and indeed as the holder

00:20:09.660 of the great office of president of the U S. Um, you have to examine it, I think at two levels. At

00:20:16.240 one level, he has the habits of his career and engages in what he calls truthful hyperbole.

00:20:22.880 Now how truthful it is sometimes is open to legitimate question, although often it's partly

00:20:27.580 truthful. Uh, and, and he believes in exaggerating in a manner that is somewhat self-serving. And

00:20:33.360 he's only slowly, I think, but definitely gradually recognizing that if he scales that back, he'll,

00:20:40.220 he'll gain by doing so that he's got, he's got people watching and listening so carefully,

00:20:44.740 many of them hostile to him, that he's giving ammunition to his enemies. If he doesn't,

00:20:48.820 if he doesn't reel it back a bit, but on the other level, in terms of addressing the country,

00:20:55.060 promising the country, what he will do if they elevate him to this Supreme office,

00:20:59.520 it must be said that in doing precisely what he promised to do, his record is absolutely

00:21:05.260 historically outstanding and not surpassed by anyone else. I mean, he said he would pull out of

00:21:10.420 the Paris accord. It shocked people when he did it, but he did it and he was right to do it.

00:21:13.960 It's a ridiculous accord. He said he'd move the embassy in Israel. He did it and he was right to 1.00

00:21:18.140 do it. He, he, he said he'd walk out of the Iran agreement and even highly serious foreign policy.

00:21:24.460 People said, well, there's no point doing that. We've already given them the money. It was a terrible

00:21:27.700 agreement, but why walk out now? But he's, he's walking out in order to Koreanize the issue

00:21:34.180 and really put the heat on Iran to make a permanent renunciation of nuclear weapons.

00:21:39.160 He's absolutely right. He said he would do it. It was controversial. And then in the case of course,

00:21:43.600 of the Israeli embassy, that has been promised by several of his predecessors who then didn't do

00:21:48.080 anything. He said he would eliminate oil imports and he's doing it. Every president since Eisenhower 0.89

00:21:52.320 said that. And some of them were very good presidents, but they didn't do that. And he's doing

00:21:55.900 it. So at that level, he absolutely is truthful. And so I think you, you have, you examine it on

00:22:05.760 two planes. One is the traditional Donald Trump who made, who made his way in, in, in various,

00:22:12.340 um, entertainment related or, or highly financially speculative occupations where a, a, a liberality

00:22:21.960 with the truth was customary and profitable and was not looked upon as obscenely unethical

00:22:30.100 because it was customer. Uh, and on the other hand, as Donald Trump, the relatively new Donald

00:22:35.280 Trump as, uh, as a leader of the nation and particularly the head of a vast faction of voters

00:22:41.520 adequate in their size to put them in the white house, uh, he is absolutely truthful. So it depends

00:22:48.940 which angle you take the subject. And I think when his critics say that he's a liar, because that's

00:22:53.580 all they say now, he's a liar. He's this first of all from the Democrats, Michael, it's a bit 0.97

00:22:58.440 rich coming from holders of the highest offices of national security who lied repeatedly under oath

00:23:04.520 and should be, and soon will be in front of the grand jury, which in your country means they're off

00:23:09.020 to jail. That's right. That's, that's absolutely right. You have people on television and not,

00:23:14.080 not even just, uh, the Susan Rice's of the world who lied to us, not even just the secretary 0.69

00:23:18.720 of state Hillary Clinton, but even up to Barack Obama lied right to our face. And we can, we can

00:23:23.040 check so many of those lies. In fairness, the president lied, but I, I don't believe he lied

00:23:28.660 under oath. In fairness, all presidents lie, even Mr. Lincoln engaged in truthful hyperbole at times,

00:23:34.260 but, uh, but yeah, I'm talking about lying under oath, which is a crime. And in my opinion,

00:23:39.360 there's not the slightest doubt that Hillary Clinton, most of that entourage of hers, uh, 0.99

00:23:43.960 James Clapper, uh, John Brennan, James Comey, Andrew McCabe. They all did that. And, and it is a bit

00:23:53.940 rich taking it from the Democrats complaining about Mr. Trump being a liar when they are all

00:23:58.680 basically just waiting for indictment. Right. That's right. They're just sitting there

00:24:02.420 checking their iPhones, you know, as I hope it's not today. And the distinction that they,

00:24:06.740 they seem not to make is the difference between a lie and unsubtlety. So if Trump in this extreme

00:24:13.560 political way is able to, uh, uh, stretch the truth, let's say he's very unsubtle about it.

00:24:20.600 This is always the case. It's, it's always hyperbole. So one of Donald Trump's first acts

00:24:24.960 when he became president of the Trump organization, when he entered into business as a young man

00:24:29.440 was to hire Roy Cohn, the former counsel to commie slamming Senator Joe McCarthy and unsubtle man

00:24:36.640 himself, uh, to defend the Trump organization against a great many, a great many other people,

00:24:41.780 including Rupert Murdoch. And, uh, I mean, a lot of very respectable, very successful people.

00:24:46.720 Of course. And I'm a defender of Joe McCarthy for that matter. So I, I don't even consider him

00:24:50.540 disreputable, but he got a little carried away. Fair enough. Okay. Yeah.

00:24:57.400 Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower commies was going to.

00:25:00.000 That's it. Well, it was, uh, it was a useful hyperbole. So yeah. But, uh, what does that tell

00:25:06.880 us? The choice of Roy Cohn, uh, relying on Roy Cohn, this hard charging guy, never, never give up,

00:25:13.100 never defend. And what effect do you think if any Roy Cohn had on, uh, Donald Trump?

00:25:19.940 Uh, we're all unlicensed psychiatrists, but as a historian, I'm always careful about mind reading.

00:25:25.260 Um, I, in my conversations with them, mentioned him now, there was no particular reason why he

00:25:31.400 would, but, but, uh, I don't have the impression he was an immense formative influence. I think

00:25:35.960 when he, I mean, it's from the spacious, uh, areas of Southern California, it may not seem like a great

00:25:43.200 thing, but as you would know, and many of your viewers, what, what, when you move from, from Z street

00:25:48.640 in Brooklyn, uh, to Manhattan, it is a trend. It's not far in miles, but it's a tremendous cultural

00:25:55.080 and sociological change. And, and Donald Trump felt he needed a rough, tough lawyer. The last

00:26:02.300 thing he wanted is a sort of person that many of us, including me have a lot of unpleasant

00:26:07.320 experience with, which are ambiguous, uh, mealy mouthed counsel who only reach a point of, of

00:26:15.500 general MacArthur, like executive decision-making at sending out their invoices. The rest of the

00:26:21.420 time, all they do is waffle. And that is not what Donald wanted. He wanted a fighter and he wanted

00:26:25.920 someone who would get in the face of his opponents and drive them crazy. And Roy Cohn, by all accounts,

00:26:31.440 whether from people who disliked him to people who liked him and everyone in between agreed that he

00:26:36.180 was very effective. Absolutely. So he was a guy to go to. And he also helped introduce him to a lot

00:26:41.940 of people too. That's right. You, you write about how Donald Trump was very quick to make good

00:26:46.560 political connections. He just clearly seems like an operator. And this gets to the last point. I

00:26:51.320 won't ask you to predict the future, but I will ask you to observe the character of Donald Trump,

00:26:55.800 which is that Donald Trump appears to be a survivor by your account. And by all that we know of the

00:27:01.020 man, he, he just survives. He makes it out of bankruptcies. He makes it out of a difficult

00:27:05.820 situations all the time. Uh, you open the account talking about the political assassination of Richard

00:27:12.200 Nixon. And it looks like there's deja vu all over again, but Trump is a survivor. Uh, do you think

00:27:18.180 that the bureaucracy, the Democrats, the media, the political establishment are, are enough and have

00:27:23.180 enough to succeed in ousting him? Or do you think that Trump, uh, has the character to withstand that

00:27:28.240 assault? I am very, very completely satisfied that this is a terrible mismatch and Donald Trump is

00:27:37.220 going to wipe the floor with them. They had no idea. He is, he is a fanatically determined man.

00:27:45.240 And, um, and he has in the comparison with Mr. Nixon, he has the advantage of this criminalization

00:27:52.780 of policy differences in this attempt to harass and tear down presidents having gone on for nearly

00:27:58.220 50 years prior to Trump being inaugurated. So, so he, he, he knows how it's worked. Uh, I mean,

00:28:04.480 Mr. Nixon, uh, who, who was a great president and what happened to him was a disgrace, a terrible

00:28:10.920 thing. But to some degree, he cooperated inadvertently with his enemies, uh, because

00:28:15.900 he didn't handle it properly, didn't handle the issue properly. But, uh, I, there's still not a

00:28:21.000 serious case. In my opinion, he committed any crimes, but he did squander his political cabin.

00:28:25.660 But, uh, there had not been discussion of the impeachment of a president for more than a

00:28:30.140 century prior to Watergate. And Nixon had no idea how to deal with it. Then after that, you know,

00:28:35.420 Bill Clinton fought it out. And, and, uh, and, uh, and, and in between you had the Iran-Contra

00:28:41.860 business where they never really got that close to the president because Admiral Poindexter said the

00:28:46.280 bull, you know, the buck stops here. And that was the end of it. And, and it was near the end of

00:28:50.080 his term and he was a popular president, but the, the, the impeachers, if you will, jumped Mr. Nixon

00:28:57.240 and there was, and there was no relevant recent history. Trump had all of this past to go by for

00:29:03.160 tactical planning purposes. And, and he has a particularly strong and powerful nature of

00:29:09.580 self-defense. And, and, uh, uh, these, these people, if they had just given him a reasonable

00:29:16.460 honeymoon, like most incoming presidents get, he would never bottle all the stuff about Hillary

00:29:21.860 will be in jail. He wouldn't have done a thing. Uh, but when they attacked him, they invented this

00:29:26.480 spurious nonsense about the collusion with a foreign power, which no one ever nominated by a

00:29:32.960 major party to, to the office of president in the U S would ever have done, not Aaron Burr, not

00:29:37.480 anybody. And, and, and, and, and that was a declaration of war and, and it became a fight

00:29:45.320 to the death and he's going to kill them. I mean, he is going, and I don't mean physically, of course, 0.99

00:29:49.240 but politically he's going to kill them. And this is by far the greatest scandal in the history of the 0.98

00:29:54.460 United States. Watergate was nonsense. It was confected nonsense. It was a forced entry. There

00:29:59.900 was no injury. There was no vandalism. There was no economic damage. It was a bungled investigation

00:30:05.060 that was allowed to hemorrhage and was, and, and was a sort of primal scream therapy for the left

00:30:10.760 wing press of the United States who then, who then spawned generations of people who fancied themselves

00:30:17.200 to be investigative journalists. This, this is the, the, it's all the shoe was in the other foot

00:30:22.920 and you see the balance tipping. Uh, these accusers of his are all going to prison and that's where

00:30:28.720 they belong. I agree entirely. I agree with that account of Watergate entirely because one point in

00:30:35.760 support of something you said, uh, just about how asinine his accusers are. The, the, the righteousness 0.71

00:30:41.700 on this business of he lies, um, is at some point during the campaign, well on in the campaign, he said

00:30:48.340 that Obama was the founder of ISIS. So the fact checking department of CNN, which has got to be the

00:30:56.160 most underworked organization. They're all in Cabo somewhere. It's the Chicago department of sanitation

00:31:04.940 under Mir Daly looked like an efficient operation, but the, the, uh, uh, they laboriously went through

00:31:11.620 this process and put up both blitzer darting around the studio. They're saying, no, ISIS was founded by

00:31:18.920 al-Baghdadi and named another bunch of other Iraqis. And, and, and as if Trump meant that Obama

00:31:26.220 had gone over there and sat there and raised the black flag. I mean, it is so, it is so utterly 1.00

00:31:31.580 imbecilic. I can hardly imagine it's happening at the time. It is. That's a wonderful way to put it 1.00

00:31:35.860 is imbecilic. And you just look and you see, I can't tell if these people are being absurdly obtuse 1.00

00:31:41.520 or if they're really as dumb as they appear to be. And you have such a good point. So many of the 0.99

00:31:46.060 political problems we're dealing with is because this country took all of the wrong lessons from

00:31:51.200 Watergate, from that awful miscarriage of justice around Watergate, but we've got a different guy in

00:31:56.340 office now. And, uh, I, I agree with your estimation of it. I also have to recommend to everybody,

00:32:01.280 Lord Black, I will let you go. Finally, you've been very generous with your time.

00:32:04.960 Everybody has to go out and read this book. It is really, really enjoyable. It is, uh, it's a fair

00:32:10.080 take on Donald Trump. It's not fawning. It's not attacking him. It gives a really fair look at it.

00:32:15.400 And it tells you so much that, uh, our mainstream media won't tell us because all of the fact checkers

00:32:20.680 are in Cabo sipping pina coladas. Lord Black, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.

00:32:26.060 Thank you, Michael. Can I just leave you one phrase from Sebastian Gorky,

00:32:29.740 he accused somebody who was on a panel with them of being obnoxiously obtuse. That's a wonderful

00:32:34.820 expression. I'm going to have to start using that. I'm going to start, I'm going to tweet

00:32:39.000 that at Gorky now, I think. Obnoxiously obtuse. Tune into the Michael Knowles show, obnoxiously

00:32:43.680 obtuse. Uh, thank you, Lord Black. Thank you, Michael. All right. Before we cut, we've got a lot of mailbag

00:32:48.840 to go to. Uh, before we get to this point, I do want to make my most unpopular opinion. I'm going

00:32:56.200 to alienate the, all of the rest of my audience. A note on Starbucks. A man, so there's been a lot

00:33:03.260 of talk in Starbucks. There was that, uh, black man who was arrested or the cops were called on him

00:33:09.060 because he refused to purchase anything and sat in a Starbucks for a long time. And it was all kind

00:33:13.280 of a strange situation. And now a man in La Cañada in California says that he, he was a Hispanic man

00:33:19.860 and he received a cup of coffee with a racial slur on it. I'll just say it because you need to hear

00:33:25.140 the slur for the pun. And it's not, it's sort of a silly slur. It's the beaner is the name of the, 0.94

00:33:30.680 that was on the cup. So how do we know this? Only his friend, the man's friend, uh, has been

00:33:36.240 interviewed about this and the friend doesn't speak any English. So he's just talking in Spanish.

00:33:40.220 English. And, uh, what he would explain though through a translator is that apparently the guy's

00:33:44.680 name is Peter. So he said Peter, but I don't know if the guy can speak English. His friend

00:33:50.400 certainly can't speak English. So I, so they wrote down beaner to Peter, right? Uh, who knows what

00:33:56.080 happened? I don't know what happened. It could have been three options, right? It could have been an

00:34:00.600 honest mistake, uh, like a pretty stupid mistake, but it could have been an honest one. Never, 0.99

00:34:05.040 uh, never underestimate the stupidity of, uh, of people when you encounter them. 1.00

00:34:09.720 So it could have been an honest mistake. It could have been an insult. There could have been some 1.00

00:34:14.480 hateful racist employee who said, I'm going to show this guy who doesn't possibly speak English 0.69

00:34:19.760 anyway, but I'll show him. I'll get a kick out of it. Okay. Could have been that. Or it could have 0.98

00:34:23.620 been a hoax. It could have just been a hoax. I hate to, everyone's going to call me a bigot now for

00:34:29.520 saying it could be a hoax. We've seen a ton of these hoaxes all over the place. We've seen it on the

00:34:33.620 issue of gay cakes. You remember there was a, a gay guy said that someone wrote a derogatory slur 0.53

00:34:39.600 on his cake that he bought at a bakery. They found that he wrote it himself. We've seen racial hoaxes 0.94

00:34:44.260 around the country. We've seen a lot of these sort of hoaxes. I suppose it could have been that

00:34:48.740 the question you have to ask yourself is, is what is the point here? Is the, is the allegation that

00:34:52.540 Starbucks is racist? Starbucks, which makes a point to, uh, be as progressive on questions of race

00:35:01.740 as possible as Starbucks, which is so overwhelmingly pushing all of those progressive narratives that

00:35:07.500 really secretly it's this Confederate holdout that hates racial minorities. Is that what they're

00:35:12.200 saying? Nobody believes that everybody is just pretending. It's a, I kind of like it on the left

00:35:17.260 because it's a circular firing squad. They all just keep killing each other, rhetorically killing 0.55

00:35:22.920 each other. I don't want that to be misinterpreted too. Now that's going to be the next boycott.

00:35:25.940 They're going to boycott the whole show, you know, obnoxiously obtuse. But the, but the question

00:35:31.440 with Starbucks is what do people really think? Nobody really believes that Starbucks is racist

00:35:35.900 on the point of Starbucks. I love Starbucks. I think it's just terrific. I love Starbucks. I don't,

00:35:43.080 oh, it's overpriced. It's not overpriced. Dunkin' Donuts is more expensive per ounce of coffee than

00:35:47.660 Starbucks. Dunkin' Donuts is dirty. Dunkin' Donuts, you know, has that awful fluorescent lighting. 0.97

00:35:52.340 Most of the people there don't speak English at the ones that I've gone to. Uh, they give you

00:35:55.940 way too much milk when you ask for just a drop of milk. I go to my beautiful Starbucks. It smells

00:36:00.160 great. The baristas are smiling. They have silly purple hair and weird piercings. I don't care. 0.98

00:36:04.740 I find it sort of charming in my barista. I go in, I can plug in my computer. I can sit,

00:36:09.140 I can use a clean bathroom. I can do work for hours and hours. I just have to buy a $2 cup of coffee.

00:36:13.780 I get unlimited refills. I love Starbucks. Starbucks has done more for cities in this country

00:36:19.760 and around the world than any other organization in history because it is the best public bathroom in

00:36:25.480 any, uh, any city in the history of the world. I love Starbucks. The lefties now don't like it

00:36:31.380 because it's allegedly racist. Conservatives don't like it because it's so just obnoxiously liberal.

00:36:36.600 I don't care. It's a good company. It grew very big because it offered a good product

00:36:39.940 enough. I will defend Starbucks, even poor Starbucks whom nobody likes anymore. We have

00:36:45.640 a lot in the mailbag to get to, but you've got to go to dailywire.com. You have to, I'm sorry,

00:36:50.360 but we have a really good mailbag today. We're going to have to burn through it in like six

00:36:53.020 minutes. So go to dailywire.com right now. What do you get? You get me, you get the Andrew

00:36:56.660 Clavin show, you get the Ben Shapiro show. You have to ask questions in the mailbag, like the one

00:36:59.760 that we're just about to go to. You get to ask questions in the conversation. The next one up

00:37:03.000 is the big boss, Ben Shapiro. None of that matters. So these are the leftist tears. This is coming out of

00:37:13.720 the leftist tears Tumblr. Lord Conrad Black has just suggested that members of Hillary Clinton's

00:37:19.320 cabal could go to jail because they lied under oath. We've seen the mainstream media and the

00:37:24.980 Democrats defending violent psychopath gang members who behead little children. Probably 0.75

00:37:29.180 won't look that good in November. Get this before it's too late because otherwise you're going to

00:37:32.380 drown and that'll be no good. Go to dailywire.com. We'll be right back with the mailbag.

00:37:35.240 We're going to burn through these questions because I want to spread all of the covfefe to

00:37:49.720 all of the people who've asked. First from Amy. Hi, Michael. How would you solve the homelessness

00:37:54.900 problem in LA? A bulldozer probably, or maybe a steamroller in the Knowles mayorship in LA.

00:38:02.880 I, I, I'm only slightly kidding. The answer is police though, because this has worked in other

00:38:09.100 cities. It would work in LA, but we have a terrible mayor in Eric Garcetti. We have an awful

00:38:13.020 administration. They're destroying this city. Huge surges in, uh, uh, people sleeping on the street

00:38:18.720 and committing crimes on the street. And it's just awful because this mayor is terrible. The police

00:38:22.640 should approach homeless people every time they see them and offer three choices, shelters,

00:38:28.080 shelters, psych wards, or jail. Those are, those are the three choices, shelters, psych wards,

00:38:34.640 or jail. So just to begin, I would stop subsidizing homelessness, which the city of LA does. You can get

00:38:41.740 a ton of benefits. You can get all of these really nice things. The police don't bother you. They

00:38:45.760 construct whole cities, terrible crime ridden little tent cities under bridges in otherwise nice

00:38:51.240 neighborhoods. They've destroyed downtown LA. I would stop subsidizing homelessness and I would start

00:38:56.240 arresting people if they refused shelter. I forget who said this. I think Giuliani said this a few

00:39:01.180 years ago. Sleeping on the street is a dysfunctional act, which harms the individual who does it and

00:39:06.880 society at large. People have no right to do it. They have no right to sleep on the streets. That is

00:39:12.120 public property. They have no right to do it. Giuliani did this in the nineties. He sent the cops and

00:39:16.840 said, you either go to that shelter, you get arrested, you go. And it worked. It worked because nobody

00:39:21.400 benefits. There's nothing compassionate about letting these people sleep on the street. Nothing

00:39:25.340 compassionate at all. It's cruel to let people do it. The compassionate solution is to give these

00:39:30.500 people help and get them off the street. Nobody benefits from letting vagabonds and psychotics and 1.00

00:39:35.960 drug addicts sleep there, least of all them. There are ample homeless shelters in LA. It creates a lot

00:39:42.140 of dangerous situations. Excuse me. I saw this in New Haven when I lived there. There was a tent city 0.99

00:39:49.840 that sprung up and everyone said, oh, that's so nice. Let's all be compassionate. Cool, man. I was

00:39:54.900 one of the few people on campus who said, this is really a terrible idea. They said, how cruel of you

00:39:59.920 to say that. How awful. And sure enough, within a matter of days, a woman was raped in that camp.

00:40:04.300 The bad things happen when you let people sleep on the street, wouldn't tolerate it. And a compassionate

00:40:08.880 and serious administration wouldn't tolerate it. From James James. Hey, Michael.

00:40:13.440 I'm sure you have recently seen the video where the Pope answered the question of a dead atheist's

00:40:18.480 son. If not, I have seen it, but I'll read this for everyone else. If not, the boy said his dad was

00:40:23.980 an atheist, but still baptized his four children. He asked if his dad was going to heaven. The Pope

00:40:30.280 replied something to the effect of, this was a father who loved his kids. He got them all baptized.

00:40:35.520 What do you think? Do you think God would keep this man out of heaven? Of course not.

00:40:38.200 In other words, the Pope answered that even though the dad thought Jesus was as fake as the tooth

00:40:43.720 fairy, this guy would still make it into heaven because he baptized his four kids. What do you

00:40:48.400 make of this? Thanks, James. Well, I would say, first of all, I can't blame Pope Francis for some

00:40:55.280 poor little boy comes up and says, my daddy's dead. Is he roasting in hell for eternity? Was Pope

00:41:00.720 Francis supposed to say, yeah, he is. You bet, kid. And you better watch out or you'll end up there too.

00:41:04.840 No, but again, we're talking about the truth, not just comfort. And even on the question of truth,

00:41:11.260 I will point out the father baptized his four kids. Why did he do that? If he thinks Jesus is

00:41:16.840 just as fake as the tooth fairy, why did he baptize his four kids? I don't know. Our faculties of reason

00:41:23.460 are quite limited. Very frequently, we convince ourselves of things that we know really aren't true.

00:41:28.920 I'm sort of convinced that there aren't really atheists at all. Norm MacDonald has a bit on this.

00:41:33.900 He says, you know, the reason there can't be atheists is if you don't believe in something,

00:41:39.900 you usually don't spend all of your time thinking about it. You know, like atheists do. It's that 1.00

00:41:44.620 line, an atheist, a vegan, and a crossfitter walk into a bar. How do I know? They told me within two 0.99

00:41:49.400 seconds. The atheists, they're always talking about God. They're always grappling with God. So I don't 0.99

00:41:53.420 really buy it. And moreover, I can't say who's in heaven and who's in hell. I really can't do that.

00:41:58.360 I do not even know definitively if Judas Iscariot is in hell. I have my suspicions,

00:42:03.780 you know, but you can't say that indefinitely. He could have had a conversion and repentance at the

00:42:08.840 very end as he's hanging on that noose. Who knows? So I really, I think there is a lot to question

00:42:14.980 in this pontificate. I'll put that very diplomatically, but I actually don't think his

00:42:20.440 interaction with that kid is one of them. I think the answer was perfectly fine. From Dylan.

00:42:24.260 Dylan. Hello, King of Trolls. Can I get a happy birthday? Thanks. Dylan. No. From Andy. No,

00:42:29.480 I'm kidding. Okay. Happy birthday, Dylan. From Andy. Hey, Michael, do you foresee a breaking point

00:42:34.080 for the left? It seems they've pinned themselves into identity politics, which almost forces them

00:42:38.440 to continue becoming more and more extreme, or I suppose always forces them. As a college student,

00:42:44.600 I was surprised to see that a lot of my classmates and friends find this way of thinking useless and

00:42:48.400 counterproductive. Contrary to popular belief, there are a lot of us that actually crave genuine debate and

00:42:53.960 exchange of ideas, and it seems to me that this postmodern way of thinking makes honest conversation

00:42:58.720 impossible. Could we see a reduction in this way of thinking in the Democrat Party? I do not see them

00:43:04.160 being able to win elections with this message or lack thereof. Thanks. Yeah, they're going to have to

00:43:08.400 change or they're going to die as a political party. Again, I'm speaking rhetorically. I just want

00:43:12.580 to be very clear. The Democratic Party has moved in this way really since the ascendance of Barack Obama

00:43:18.640 into this very vicious, divisive, angry identity politics, which says we don't like America. We

00:43:25.340 want to fundamentally transform America. We don't like our countrymen. You have privilege. You have

00:43:29.280 this. You have that. And it's very mean. During that period of time, they lost a thousand seats across

00:43:33.420 the country. During the presidency of Barack Obama, they lost a thousand seats across the country.

00:43:38.600 They lost the House. They lost the Senate. They ultimately lost the presidency. To Donald Trump,

00:43:42.880 a lot of people think Donald Trump wasn't a great candidate for president. I won't go into that

00:43:48.400 here. But if you think that, the fact that even that candidate was able to win tells you something

00:43:53.600 about the state of the Democrats. So I hope they don't change. I hope they keep it up. Keep it right

00:43:57.940 up. And the Republicans are going to rule for the next century. From James. We'll get a couple more.

00:44:03.380 Good sir, Michael Canolis. According to the political spectrum, is Islam considered extreme

00:44:08.720 right-wing religious conservative or has it been co-opted by the leftists in America and Europe?

00:44:12.880 For identity politics and is now a far-left ideology similar to fascism, particularly national

00:44:18.560 socialism. Side note, thank you for keeping the cigar industry alive as well. I'm also an enthusiast,

00:44:24.780 particularly of the Maduro variety. Great commentary as always, Jim. A very good question. The left

00:44:30.220 certainly has embraced Islam. They've invented that word Islamophobia to smear people who don't want to 0.81

00:44:36.100 get their heads chopped off or something. I don't know exactly what the word means. But with regard to

00:44:42.020 the left-right spectrum here, I don't think you can fit everything neatly into those categories.

00:44:48.020 And frankly, even using those terms sometimes plays into the modernist hand. It doesn't really get to

00:44:55.480 what you're talking about. The terms right and left, they come from the French Revolution in 1789,

00:45:00.800 relatively recently in historical terms. Supporters of the king and religion at the National Assembly

00:45:06.760 were seated on the president's right and supporters of the French Revolution were seated on his left.

00:45:12.300 That's where we get it from. That's the whole place, left and right in the French Revolution.

00:45:16.180 It referred to seating, not necessarily ideology. So, and actually at the time, the right sort of

00:45:22.600 opposed this breakdown because they opposed shallow factions and political parties. But because the left-right

00:45:28.420 spectrum originates in this radical modernity in the French Revolution, it doesn't really capture the

00:45:33.960 variety of political views. Conservatives, just to use one of the examples you give, conservatives always

00:45:38.320 quibble over whether fascism is on the left or the right. In some ways, it seems like it's right-wing

00:45:43.640 because there's a great love of country, you could say, in fascism. But in some ways, it's obviously

00:45:48.300 left-wing. It's atheistic, usually hostile to religion, hostile to many traditions, collectivist.

00:45:54.280 So it seems rather left-wing there too. Really what you could say is it's just modern.

00:45:58.620 Fascism and communism, they're two sides of the same coin. Now, this doesn't work when you try to

00:46:04.640 apply it to older ideas. What would you call the Aristotelian system of ethics? Would you call

00:46:10.480 that left or right? I don't know. It predates left and right by thousands of years. Islam also

00:46:14.740 predates left and right by a thousand years. Islam is not modern. What is Islam? Islam is a religion 1.00

00:46:21.800 that grew out of a Christian heresy in the seventh century and involved aspects of Arab nationalism,

00:46:27.700 pan-Arab nationalism, and came as a strange new twist on the Abrahamic faiths. So I don't

00:46:35.980 really think it's a question of right or left. I think you should expand the thought there and

00:46:40.420 make it a question of right or wrong. On that point, I'll say Islam crucially denies the crucifixion 0.98

00:46:45.220 of Christ, the conquest of death. So when you're trying to answer that question, it's a good one to 0.99

00:46:49.820 ask. Can I do one more? Will you let me do one more? I can do one. I can only do one more. Let's make

00:46:55.900 it a good one. Let's make sure that we can do a really good one. Okay. All right. We'll just do

00:47:01.840 the next one and then we'll just have to get to the rest of the next week. From Emily. Hey, Michael,

00:47:06.060 I've been reading a hagiography about the life of St. Catherine of Siena. It's been a great read,

00:47:10.260 but it leaves me with a nagging question. St. Catherine had a vision of God at the age of seven.

00:47:15.060 She was extremely aware from a young age of the presence of God and his importance in her life.

00:47:19.660 Why is it that God would give her major confirmation that he exists,

00:47:22.820 but others languish in a sea of uncertainty their entire lives? Her life, thanks to her visions,

00:47:27.980 was certainly not an easy one, but it does seem like a life of virtue would be so much easier if

00:47:31.700 you have zero doubts about God's existence. Thanks, Emily. I love St. Catherine of Siena,

00:47:37.660 but I don't think a life of virtue is necessarily easier if you have more evidence than others of God's

00:47:46.040 existence. Just take St. Peter and Judas. Let's take Judas first. Judas spends Christ's ministry 0.84

00:47:54.620 with Christ. He sees Christ raise dead people to make them living again. He sees Christ multiply

00:48:02.220 fishes and to feed thousands of people and bread to feed thousands of people. He sees him heal the

00:48:07.500 lame and the blind and the sick and walk on water, and then he betrays him. But he saw it. He sees

00:48:15.540 Christ as who he is. He sees the incarnation of God. He betrays him anyway. St. Peter. St. Peter 0.53

00:48:21.560 sees the transfiguration of Christ on the mountain. He sees this unbelievable vision. He knows for certain

00:48:28.580 the Father reveals to Peter that Christ is the Christ. And what does he do? He denies him three times.

00:48:33.140 What does he do? He denies him three times. So I don't know that that's necessarily the case.

00:48:40.140 Just in one's own experience, if you've ever had a numinous experience or religious experience of God,

00:48:46.240 it's unmistakable when it happens. It's unmistakable. It's also ineffable, so it's not much use

00:48:51.060 trying to explain it. But it's unmistakable when it happens. And you're shocked by this. You're in awe,

00:48:55.900 holy fear. And then like five minutes later, you just start sinning again. You know, it's not funny.

00:49:03.040 It's kind of sad. But just, you have this experience. And then regardless, you fall away

00:49:09.040 because it's a fallen world. And that's an aspect of human nature. So I don't know about that. The

00:49:13.600 evidence for God is ample. And there were no good arguments for atheism. They're just temptations,

00:49:18.440 basically. They're just temptations. And all of us have temptations. St. Catherine of Siena as well.

00:49:24.320 Okay, I hope that helps. There are, ah, there's so many other good questions. We'll just,

00:49:27.860 we'll bring them back next week. Have a good weekend. I'll see you on Monday. I'm Michael Knowles.

00:49:32.640 This is The Michael Knowles Show. I will see you Monday.

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 17, 2018

Ep. 158 - Which Is Worse： MS-13 Or MSM？

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