The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1610 - Joe Rogan Endorses Trump & Election Day 2024!

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00:01:14.240 In the final hours of the 2024 campaign, President Trump has picked up some major final endorsements.

00:01:21.680 Joe Rogan, Megyn Kelly, Patrick Mahomes' mother, and more.

00:01:26.140 I'm Michael Knowles.

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00:03:39.320 A lot of big information coming in, even in the last 24 hours.

00:03:45.400 Joe Rogan has endorsed Trump.

00:03:48.700 And this is a big deal.

00:03:49.560 You might say, well, we already knew that Joe Rogan preferred Trump to Kamala or preferred Trump to Joe Biden.

00:03:56.060 Sure, but Joe Rogan is the biggest podcaster in the entire world.

00:04:00.380 He has played it a little bit safer in the past.

00:04:03.380 He hasn't come out and actually endorsed President Trump.

00:04:06.500 His interview with President Trump was the biggest interview probably ever conducted.

00:04:10.620 And then he followed it up with the interview with J.D. Vance, which also did huge numbers.

00:04:14.640 But he's just come out.

00:04:15.420 He tweeted out, quote,

00:04:16.060 The great and powerful Elon Musk, and he's got this whole interview with Musk that came out.

00:04:22.680 We'll get to a little bit of that, too.

00:04:24.040 If it wasn't for him, we'd be effed.

00:04:26.560 He makes what I think is the most compelling case for Trump you will hear.

00:04:29.880 And I agree with him every step of the way.

00:04:32.480 For the record, yes, that's an endorsement of Trump.

00:04:35.400 Enjoy the podcast.

00:04:36.420 This matters.

00:04:37.180 I have friends, liberal friends, who listen to Joe Rogan.

00:04:41.200 Joe Rogan's numbers are too big for only conservatives to be listening to him.

00:04:46.260 In fact, I think Joe primarily speaks to people who are not conservative.

00:04:51.040 They're lowercase c conservative, but they don't identify all the time as Republican or movement conservatives or anything like that, okay?

00:04:58.160 It's a lot of people who are kind of in the middle, who think of themselves as independent, even many people who are on the center left.

00:05:03.760 Joe is speaking to them, and within the last 24 hours, he says, vote for Trump.

00:05:07.720 Okay, about half the country voted early.

00:05:11.360 That means about half the country is voting today.

00:05:14.000 And the biggest podcaster ever and the current biggest podcaster in the world says, vote for Trump.

00:05:20.880 That's a big deal.

00:05:21.740 You know who else just came out and endorsed Trump?

00:05:24.160 My friend, Megyn Kelly.

00:05:26.360 Can you believe this guy?

00:05:28.100 Can you believe the energy and the stamina on this guy and his age?

00:05:31.440 I'm ready to go to sleep over there.

00:05:33.000 He's got another rally to go to till tonight.

00:05:34.980 Let me tell you, first of all, one of the reasons why I wanted to come here, one of the many reasons I wanted to come here.

00:05:41.420 When I launched my show four years ago, we had Mark Cuban on the program.

00:05:45.740 You know?

00:05:46.320 Yeah.

00:05:47.900 It may seem he was in the news this week.

00:05:50.560 And he started going on about how bad America's race history was and how ashamed he was of America, and that's why I was at all these protests.

00:05:57.320 And he felt it was really important to stand up and speak out about human rights violations.

00:06:03.460 And then it got awkward when I asked him about all the money he was taking from China.

00:06:08.180 Then he dropped a bunch of F-bombs, and I thought, I really enjoy this feeling of proving Mark Cuban wrong.

00:06:14.240 And so here I am at a Trump rally, a strong, intelligent woman to prove Mark Cuban wrong again.

00:06:32.180 I won't take up much of your time, but I do want to tell you the main reasons I am voting for Donald Trump.

00:06:38.460 Megan's whole speech was great.

00:06:40.280 We don't have time to get into the whole thing, but there she says, the biggest reasons are immigration, that Kamala opened up the border.

00:06:46.720 Trump is good on immigration and will protect the borders of the country.

00:06:50.200 Two is protecting women, protecting women in sports, protecting women in prisons.

00:06:55.000 You know, now the libs, specifically Kamala Harris actually pushed for this. 1.00

00:06:59.620 The libs will allow men to be housed in women's prisons, and then women get raped. 0.97

00:07:04.540 That's basically how it goes, because the men identify as women. 0.98

00:07:07.320 So she says, the transgender ideology, that's the second reason that I'm supporting Trump.

00:07:11.900 He opposes it broadly, and Kamala supports it emphatically.

00:07:15.840 And then the third one was protecting men.

00:07:19.840 The second one's protecting women. 0.58

00:07:21.260 The third reason is protecting men, that men are denigrated, men are smeared by Kamala and by the left as toxic.

00:07:29.500 All masculinity in general is smeared as toxic.

00:07:33.240 And that's not good.

00:07:34.140 It's not good to constantly be insulting and bringing down our boys.

00:07:39.240 And Meghan says, Trump doesn't do that.

00:07:42.540 Trump builds up the boys, and he protects the girls, and that's a good thing. 0.98

00:07:45.820 Now, a lot of people are going to be shocked by the Megyn Kelly endorsement. 0.99

00:07:48.920 Because, just eight years ago, Megyn Kelly was moderating a debate when Trump was one of many in the Republican primary. 0.99

00:07:58.720 And she hit him with the toughest question that he got probably in the entire campaign.

00:08:03.660 And he gave the best answer that he gave in the entire campaign.

00:08:10.260 Mr. Trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind, and you don't use a politician's filter.

00:08:17.460 However, that is not without its downsides, in particular when it comes to women. 1.00

00:08:22.640 You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. 0.99

00:08:29.120 Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks. 1.00

00:08:55.260 You once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees.

00:09:01.180 Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?

00:09:05.500 And how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who is likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women? 0.61

00:09:13.580 I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct.

00:09:19.500 I've been challenged.

00:09:23.880 Masterful answer.

00:09:24.640 I mean, you could tell this was a tough question from Meghan.

00:09:27.840 She went in there, guns blazing, and Trump totally dominated the question.

00:09:33.120 Now, with that answer, he might as well have won the Republican primary in 2016.

00:09:38.640 So they had a back and forth, and even after that debate, they were going back and forth at each other.

00:09:43.360 So how is it that Meghan, who had this really tough relationship with Trump, she comes to endorse him at a Trump rally?

00:09:50.320 I'll tell you exactly why.

00:09:52.400 Because Megyn Kelly recognizes that politics is not about petty personal grievances. 1.00

00:09:59.300 Politics is about the public.

00:10:01.640 It's about the common good.

00:10:02.760 It's ironic because the libs always tell us, think about the other people and think about the common good and think about everybody but yourself.

00:10:10.120 And yet, for them, politics is so petty.

00:10:12.500 It's so personal.

00:10:13.080 You think about Liz Cheney.

00:10:14.440 Why is Liz Cheney campaigning for Kamala Harris? 1.00

00:10:16.680 Is it because Liz Cheney is a principled conservative? 0.99

00:10:19.720 No, she's sold out every conservative principle she ever even pretended to hold. 0.99

00:10:22.960 But it's because Trump went after her personally and got her kicked out of Congress.

00:10:27.460 So now she campaigns for Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:10:29.820 It's true of so many people who campaign for Kamala Harris.

00:10:34.120 In fact, the argument to support Kamala Harris, even on the left, is vote for Kamala Harris and she'll let you do those personal things that you really like doing. 0.99

00:10:42.680 You're a man and you want to go into the women's bathroom? 1.00

00:10:44.940 Well, vote for Kamala Harris and to hell with the common good. 1.00

00:10:47.240 You can do whatever you want.

00:10:49.600 You have this pet project.

00:10:52.100 You have this pet issue.

00:10:53.380 Okay, well, you have this racial grievance group.

00:10:56.300 Okay, well, vote for Kamala Harris and forget about the common good. 1.00

00:10:59.300 She'll just give you exactly what you want to the disadvantage of other people. 0.97

00:11:03.640 And what Megyn Kelly is saying is, no, no, no.

00:11:06.120 Whatever personal issues I had with Trump in the past, it doesn't matter.

00:11:09.840 This is about more than personal stuff.

00:11:12.000 This man is the man for the moment.

00:11:13.680 This is the man for the common good.

00:11:16.000 You got to vote for this guy because he's going to do good things for everybody.

00:11:19.720 For all Americans, going to keep the foreigners out who are disrespecting our laws. 1.00

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00:12:37.520 All right, last big endorsement I want to mention for President Trump.

00:12:42.560 That would be Patrick Mahomes' mother.

00:12:44.740 The mother of the Kansas City Chiefs football player just came out at a game that Taylor Swift attended and wore the MAGA hat.

00:12:53.640 Make America great again.

00:12:55.280 Let's do it.

00:12:57.640 Let's do it.

00:12:58.580 I love it.

00:12:59.160 I absolutely love it.

00:13:00.780 There are many more endorsements we could mention.

00:13:02.500 But this is really great, especially because on the latter two, after Joe Rogan, you got Megyn Kelly, you got Patrick Mahomes' mother.

00:13:12.160 I think Patrick Mahomes' wife had liked some pro-Trump posts a while ago.

00:13:17.360 So Patrick Mahomes has not endorsed President Trump formally, but you're getting a good sense.

00:13:21.140 Okay, I think there are a lot of people who support this man who maybe are playing a little bit cooler and are feeling more emboldened, more and more emboldened, especially women.

00:13:29.940 And this is that irony that Megyn Kelly was talking about.

00:13:32.500 Megyn Kelly talking about Mark Cuban here.

00:13:35.780 When Mark Cuban said that Trump never surrounds himself with strong, intelligent women.

00:13:42.180 If you missed the video, listen to this absolute nonsense coming from the man who really, really wishes he could be Donald Trump.

00:13:51.640 Donald Trump, you never see him around strong, intelligent women, ever. 0.92

00:13:56.800 It's just that simple.

00:13:57.900 Now this, what is so crazy about this line, there's plenty of ways to attack Trump.

00:14:02.500 And Mark Cuban, I think, has a real grievance here because Mark Cuban could have been Donald Trump.

00:14:06.380 At least he thought he could have been.

00:14:07.640 He had a big show on TV, and he's the brash billionaire, and he has political ambitions.

00:14:12.500 And he just hasn't succeeded in those political ambitions, and Trump has succeeded at the highest level.

00:14:17.860 So I think he's got some petty personal grievances too.

00:14:20.180 But this line, Trump doesn't surround himself with strong, intelligent women, to me, this is the craziest attack I've ever heard on Trump. 1.00

00:14:26.560 If anything, you would say that Donald Trump surrounds himself with too many strong, intelligent women. 1.00

00:14:32.820 When you think about the people around Donald Trump, who do you think of?

00:14:34.940 You think of Kellyanne Conway, his campaign manager, the first woman ever successfully to run a presidential campaign in America.

00:14:44.400 That was the Trump campaign.

00:14:46.020 That was a Republican campaign.

00:14:47.300 You think of, I don't know, Sarah Sanders, his very successful press secretary, who then became governor of Arkansas, is currently the governor of Arkansas.

00:14:53.520 You think of Kayleigh McEnany, another very successful press secretary.

00:14:56.580 You think of Ivanka.

00:14:57.800 You think of his daughter is a hugely successful woman, had her own clothing line, is very, very powerful.

00:15:02.920 I don't know.

00:15:03.400 You think of Hope Hicks.

00:15:04.880 You think of Susie Wiles is currently running her campaign.

00:15:07.540 You think of the lawyer, the Trump lawyers, Jenna Ellis, Alina Habba.

00:15:11.860 I don't know.

00:15:12.520 The list goes on and on and on.

00:15:14.280 You want to knock Trump for anything.

00:15:16.140 Knock him for the length of his tie. 0.69

00:15:17.360 Knock him because you don't like his hairstyle.

00:15:19.000 But to say he doesn't surround himself with strong and intelligent women, he is probably the politician who most prominently surrounds himself with strong and intelligent women for his entire career.

00:15:30.600 And one hopes that on election day, those strong, intelligent women are going to see through the media BS. 1.00

00:15:38.020 Now, one strong, intelligent woman who supports President Trump and who does a lot of great things in the United States Senate would be my senator, Marsha Blackburn. 0.97

00:15:48.360 Senator, thank you for coming on the show.

00:15:49.960 I'm delighted to join you.

00:15:52.560 Thank you so much for having me on on this election day.

00:15:56.000 And it is a pivotal election day.

00:15:59.560 I hope everybody realizes that Kamala broke it.

00:16:03.540 Trump can fix it.

00:16:04.680 And they get to the polls and cast that vote.

00:16:06.900 Well, I certainly hope so.

00:16:08.040 I just voted for you whenever, a few days ago.

00:16:11.080 And I don't think you really needed my vote in the sense that you were leading your opponent by like 30 points.

00:16:17.260 But you always say, yes, you need every single vote.

00:16:20.580 But you are going to win.

00:16:23.300 Everyone needs to go out there and vote for Marsha. 1.00

00:16:24.960 But you are going to win.

00:16:26.520 Tennessee remains a very solid state.

00:16:29.400 I couldn't even tell you the name of your opponent off the top of my head.

00:16:31.720 There are many, many closer races in the swing states especially.

00:16:37.000 And we need to go out there because there's a lot of down ballot that people need to vote for.

00:16:40.520 But, Senator, I had trouble sleeping last night.

00:16:44.480 I'll tell you, I do not get – I am not easily rattled, okay?

00:16:48.260 I take things as they come.

00:16:50.800 And I actually do feel confident about this election.

00:16:53.640 But I did not sleep very well because I know the stakes are so high, not just at the presidential level,

00:16:59.060 but for the U.S. Senate, for the House races.

00:17:01.880 This feels like a more important election than other elections in my lifetime.

00:17:07.300 How do you feel about it?

00:17:08.540 And what are your predictions?

00:17:11.300 I feel really, really good.

00:17:14.320 And I think President Trump has a history of getting more votes than where he polls.

00:17:22.760 So, looking at the polling, I think it indicates that we're going to see him on a solid footing coming through the Midwest.

00:17:34.040 And, yes, I do think before midnight he hits that 270 electoral votes.

00:17:40.340 When you look at the states where we have Senate races that we're going to win, West Virginia, Ohio, Montana,

00:17:51.620 and the tied-up races in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada,

00:17:58.800 and a close race down in New Mexico with Nella Domenici.

00:18:03.740 You know, Michael – and Trump is doing well in all of those.

00:18:09.620 He is tied up.

00:18:10.940 Those races are tied up.

00:18:12.440 He may be a point or a half point ahead, but that bodes very well for President Trump and those down-ballot races.

00:18:24.320 And, of course, we were pleased with the totals coming from the early vote,

00:18:29.740 the drop-off in requests for mail-in ballots,

00:18:33.020 the increase in the number of Republicans that have voted early.

00:18:37.820 All of that bodes very well for us.

00:18:42.120 And I think you're going to end up seeing President Trump elected and Republicans take the Senate,

00:18:49.540 and we're also hopeful that they can keep the House.

00:18:53.260 You just said something that makes me personally very hopeful.

00:18:56.960 One, because I'm scheduled to be on air until, like, 2 in the morning or something tonight.

00:19:00.280 But two, because I know that the longer the count drags out, the more opportunity for shenanigans.

00:19:05.620 You just said you think that President Trump will get to 270 tonight.

00:19:10.420 I think we could see, by midnight, see him reach that 270.

00:19:17.340 He's doing very well in Georgia and North Carolina.

00:19:21.280 He's up in Pennsylvania.

00:19:24.880 He's up a little bit in Michigan and Wisconsin.

00:19:28.420 It's going to be interesting to see where this goes.

00:19:33.000 You know, he has said something many times.

00:19:35.240 Let's make it too big to rig.

00:19:38.100 And I think you might end up seeing that tonight.

00:19:42.200 Too big to rig is a beautiful statement.

00:19:44.300 I agree.

00:19:44.720 I feel good about the early voting numbers.

00:19:48.060 So you say we're going to take the Senate.

00:19:50.520 Do you have any guess on how many seats?

00:19:52.020 Is it 52?

00:19:52.880 Is it 53?

00:19:53.540 I think it'll be 52 or 53.

00:19:57.440 It could be, if it's a very good night, it could be 54.

00:20:01.500 Wow.

00:20:02.180 And in terms of the House, you think that we're going to hold it?

00:20:05.180 Do you have any guess?

00:20:06.140 Is it going to be one person either way?

00:20:08.860 I have no insight into the House races.

00:20:12.240 I'm just very hopeful that they're going to be able to keep the House.

00:20:16.820 This is good news.

00:20:18.940 Senator, you've helped to assuage some of my nerves a little bit going into the day.

00:20:24.180 And of course, this is very important.

00:20:25.540 Even in a red state like Tennessee, first of all, you've got to go out there and vote.

00:20:30.300 Also because hoping President Trump wins the Electoral College.

00:20:34.400 You know the Democrats are going to try to whine about anything that they possibly can.

00:20:37.420 So it would be good if President Trump could win the popular vote.

00:20:40.280 Every vote counts.

00:20:41.320 And even in a race where I am quite confident that Senator Blackburn is going to be reelected happily,

00:20:46.040 go out there, make those margins really, really big.

00:20:49.240 Go out there and vote for downed ballot.

00:20:50.660 If you live in Nashville like I do, go vote against tax increases and things like that.

00:20:55.120 There are all sorts of issues on the ballot.

00:20:57.420 So make sure that you go out there and make your voice heard.

00:21:01.760 Senator?

00:21:02.020 Well, I would say this.

00:21:05.380 People that are watching your show, for your kids and your grandkids, go vote today.

00:21:10.340 Because this country is going to be on a big government control track or it's going to be

00:21:16.780 on a personal freedom track after this election today.

00:21:20.740 So don't miss out to make your voice heard.

00:21:24.080 Don't miss out because I don't want to hear any complaining after the fact.

00:21:26.400 Things don't go the way you want them to go.

00:21:27.820 I don't want to hear complaining if you're not actually getting in the game,

00:21:31.160 playing by the rules that we have to play by,

00:21:33.640 and doing everything you can to push us over the finish line in this very high stakes election.

00:21:39.560 Senator, I know it's a very busy day for you.

00:21:41.420 So appreciate your taking the time to come on.

00:21:43.440 And I look forward to seeing you after you have been happily reelected later on tonight.

00:21:48.360 Thank you.

00:21:49.600 All right.

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00:23:12.220 So we talked about all of the strong, intelligent women who support President Trump.

00:23:16.780 Now I'd like to turn to a different kind of woman,

00:23:19.480 the kind of woman who supports Kamala.

00:23:21.240 Whoopi Goldberg and the ladies on The View just interviewed Liz Cheney,

00:23:27.880 a former Republican who's now stumping for Kamala.

00:23:31.340 And Whoopi made, she expressed a desire for what would happen in a Kamala administration

00:23:39.600 that I think if you told Democrats that Whoopi Goldberg would be saying this to Liz Cheney,

00:23:44.460 if you told them this 20 years ago, their heads would spin off of their heads.

00:23:48.720 Whoopi Goldberg, the ladies on The View said, 0.94

00:23:50.560 that they want to see Liz Cheney be the director of the CIA.

00:23:55.880 So I have a question.

00:24:00.640 Are you also a lawyer?

00:24:02.580 Yeah, I am.

00:24:03.080 So you could conceivably be a great AG if this was...

00:24:11.400 And I say this because your moral core is magnificent.

00:24:20.820 And I know you probably don't want to, you don't want to think about it, but I just feel like I would feel a lot better

00:24:31.040 with you leading the FBI, the CIA, the NBC, the MNC, everybody.

00:24:39.140 The MNC.

00:24:39.700 That's just me.

00:24:41.200 So I'm just saying, should it be floated, please think about it.

00:24:46.320 And under the radar...

00:24:47.520 You have to get Vice President Harris elected.

00:24:50.060 Yes.

00:24:51.360 Well, you know, I'm just, I'm being...

00:24:54.400 You're putting it out there in the universe.

00:24:55.900 I'm putting it in the universe because that's how we do things.

00:24:59.660 You've woken up from a coma.

00:25:01.460 You've been in a coma since, say, 2006.

00:25:05.300 You ask, what's been going on in politics?

00:25:06.740 And you say, the host of The Apprentice has been the president, and he's running for president again.

00:25:11.820 He was almost murdered by his political opponents.

00:25:14.340 Turns out he was actually a really good president.

00:25:16.140 He's probably the best president of our lifetime.

00:25:17.680 The Cheney family is campaigning for the most liberal, leftist Democrat ever to run for president.

00:25:25.620 And the women of The View are campaigning for the daughter of Dick Cheney to be the head of the CIA.

00:25:34.040 Did I miss anything?

00:25:35.660 Oh, you want to go back into your coma now?

00:25:37.440 Okay, that's fine.

00:25:40.240 Methinks the realignment is real.

00:25:43.400 Methinks that the political realignment that we've heard so much about over the past

00:25:47.460 four to eight years is real.

00:25:51.560 Whoopi Goldberg telling Liz Cheney, you have such a strong moral core.

00:25:55.020 A woman who has never seen a country in the Middle East, she did not want to bomb. 0.99

00:25:59.540 The daughter of the man the Democrats called Darth Vader for at least a decade,

00:26:04.860 more than a decade, really.

00:26:07.440 You have such a strong moral core.

00:26:09.940 Why?

00:26:10.420 She has such a strong moral core because she has betrayed every principle she's ever pretended to hold 0.91

00:26:15.420 other than desiring to invade other countries.

00:26:19.120 Other than that, though, she's betrayed every principle she's ever pretended to hold

00:26:22.640 and betrayed the loyalty and trust of her fellow Republicans

00:26:26.020 who have helped her in her political career.

00:26:30.020 And now, the ladies of The View want a Cheney to run the CIA. 1.00

00:26:33.940 That's a realignment, folks.

00:26:35.460 When the head of the Teamsters doesn't endorse the Democrat, that's a political realignment.

00:26:41.520 When Joe Rogan, who is the most mainstream podcaster, endorses Trump, the man that we were told

00:26:50.140 is the most toxic Republican, maybe you can endorse a Bush or something, but you can't endorse

00:26:53.840 a Trump.

00:26:54.960 That's a realignment.

00:26:55.920 I guess this is why I'm so happy about the official Rogan endorsement, is because Rogan

00:27:02.720 is signaling, hey, it's okay to endorse Trump.

00:27:06.480 Rogan is the emblem of the political middle.

00:27:11.720 Rogan is the avatar of the average voter, the median voter.

00:27:17.300 And Rogan is saying, I'm with Trump.

00:27:19.440 It's that meme that Elon posted on X that many people have posted recently, which is you got

00:27:26.400 someone standing on the left, the political left, and there's a tug of war between the

00:27:30.400 left and the right.

00:27:31.240 And the person on the left has been pulled over to the right because the left has gone

00:27:40.680 so far to the left.

00:27:42.960 And now, he didn't really move.

00:27:45.720 It's at the center of gravity moved.

00:27:47.780 And he said, I guess I'm on the right now.

00:27:49.020 I was on the left, but I guess I'm on the right now because of how much the, how far

00:27:55.520 to the extremes the left has gone.

00:27:58.260 That's it.

00:27:58.860 Rogan hasn't really changed.

00:28:00.240 Elon Musk hasn't really changed.

00:28:01.800 Bobby Kennedy hasn't really changed.

00:28:04.320 In a way, it's kind of sad that all of these guys are now considered on the right.

00:28:12.460 It can be helpful to us now, and we're going to hopefully win this election.

00:28:15.300 But it just shows you how much ground the left has taken.

00:28:19.020 And this realignment leads to all sorts of crazy things, like the women of The View endorsing 0.98

00:28:23.880 a Cheney for the head of CIA.

00:28:24.940 Now, what would happen if, I hate to even express this thought, but what would happen if Kamala

00:28:32.900 got elected?

00:28:34.860 Beyond the ideological battles, there's just a question.

00:28:38.420 Kamala Harris is, let's say she's the president. 0.87

00:28:41.240 She's sitting across from Vladimir Putin.

00:28:43.420 She's sitting negotiating with Mohammed bin Salman, you know, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.

00:28:48.280 She's sitting negotiating with Xi Jinping.

00:28:53.480 Beyond ideology, there is a basic level of intelligence and education and competence that

00:28:59.280 is required to do that job.

00:29:00.860 Does Kamala possess it?

00:29:02.080 Well, I'll give you a little vignette.

00:29:03.400 You tell me what you think.

00:29:04.340 This just leaked to The New York Times.

00:29:06.580 Apparently, Kamala Harris did a podcast last summer with a guy named Kareem Rama.

00:29:12.960 He has a TikTok show and an Instagram show called Subway Takes.

00:29:18.300 This interview never aired.

00:29:19.900 It's just being leaked now to The New York Times and being reported elsewhere.

00:29:23.780 Over the summer, especially when the Gaza war was a big, hot political issue, this interviewer,

00:29:31.400 Rama, asked Kamala, Rama asked Kamala what she thought about Gaza.

00:29:37.440 He said this, according to The Times, there's something going on in the world that 100% of

00:29:41.640 Muslims care about.

00:29:44.520 She said she didn't want to talk about Gaza.

00:29:47.180 She said she wanted to talk about light, funny little topics like you'd ordinarily see

00:29:51.500 on TikTok or Instagram.

00:29:52.420 So when her team was negotiating this interview, she said, no, I want to talk about Gaza.

00:29:56.800 I want to talk about fun little stuff like whether people should take their shoes off

00:30:01.780 on airplanes.

00:30:02.680 Tee-hee-hee. 0.68

00:30:03.280 I'm so fun.

00:30:03.940 I'm so relatable.

00:30:05.800 So that was what they agreed to talk about.

00:30:08.920 Then when Kamala sat down for this interview, she says, no, I'm not going to talk about anything

00:30:13.400 real.

00:30:13.700 I'm not going to talk about Gaza. 0.99

00:30:15.260 And I'm not even going to talk about the stupid triviality that we agreed to talk about, 0.97

00:30:19.760 whether or not it's acceptable to take one's shoes off on an airplane. 0.99

00:30:23.420 She said she wanted to give her hot take that bacon is a spice. 1.00

00:30:27.700 To the Muslim interviewer, I don't know how worldly you are, familiar with world religions, 1.00

00:30:35.900 Muslims generally frown upon bacon.

00:30:38.960 It is haram.

00:30:41.720 She says, okay, of all the things I can talk about to distract from the real issue that

00:30:45.180 I don't want to talk about, namely the war in Gaza, I'm going to bring up inadvertently

00:30:49.940 maybe the most offensive thing I could talk about with this guy.

00:30:53.620 So she says, ha, ha, ha.

00:30:55.180 There's no video, unfortunately, and the interview never aired.

00:30:57.340 But I'm just imagining from what I've read of this transcript.

00:31:00.420 She says, ha, ha, ha, you know, I think bacon is a spice. 0.98

00:31:04.460 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:31:05.220 And she does a little cackle.

00:31:06.760 And Rama reportedly responds, I don't know.

00:31:11.380 I don't know.

00:31:12.180 You've lost me.

00:31:13.060 I'm not familiar with bacon.

00:31:14.940 And then she keeps going.

00:31:16.100 She doesn't get it.

00:31:17.580 She doesn't get that bacon is maybe not a great area of common ground with the Muslim

00:31:21.300 interviewer.

00:31:22.700 She goes, think about it.

00:31:23.820 It's pure flavor.

00:31:24.980 Ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:31:26.100 And this guy's just like, can we, what?

00:31:28.420 Can we talk about something else?

00:31:29.940 This interview was so bad, it never aired.

00:31:31.960 The guy's sitting down with the presidential candidate, the nominee of the Democrat Party,

00:31:35.440 she eventually came to be.

00:31:36.460 And this guy says, no, I'm not going to air it.

00:31:37.780 That's how bad this is.

00:31:40.360 Then when Rama asked, he paused the interview.

00:31:44.320 He asked Kamala Harris, can we just get back to some other topics?

00:31:47.780 She decided she wanted to talk about how much she likes anchovies on pizza.

00:31:52.320 And according to the Times and this unpublished video that they've seen, Rama says, well, I'm

00:31:57.740 100% unsure on both of those.

00:32:00.360 This woman would not be able to negotiate the Abraham Accords. 1.00

00:32:05.320 I'm pretty confident.

00:32:08.320 I'm not sure this woman would be able to negotiate a Diet Coke at McDonald's. 1.00

00:32:13.800 I don't, this woman is not fit to be president. 1.00

00:32:19.300 She does not possess the rational faculties required, the judgment, the prudence, just 0.93

00:32:26.700 any knowledge of anything, basically, to be president.

00:32:31.100 That's something that really worries me about this election.

00:32:38.580 Her policies would be awful. 1.00

00:32:40.020 She would want to kill all the babies and trans all the kids. 1.00

00:32:42.080 It's very, that's bad. 1.00

00:32:43.640 I know that that's bad.

00:32:45.380 All of the ideological aspects are, but she also just is not competent and she is not knowledgeable

00:32:50.500 about anything.

00:32:51.120 And I'm not sure she possesses the requisite intelligence even to become knowledgeable

00:32:55.980 were she so determined.

00:33:00.300 If this woman is elected, forget about the fact that she's a woman and that presents in 0.99

00:33:06.800 itself challenges when you're dealing with guys like Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping.

00:33:10.880 It just does.

00:33:12.000 A feminist might say that's not fair, but it just does present those problems. 1.00

00:33:15.640 But it'd be one thing if she were the Iron Lady. 1.00

00:33:17.820 It'd be one thing if she were Margaret Thatcher. 1.00

00:33:19.280 She's not.

00:33:21.540 She's Kamala Harris. 0.99

00:33:23.820 And our enemies will take the opportunity to eat us for lunch if this woman becomes the 1.00

00:33:33.220 president.

00:33:33.960 Now, back to Elon on Joe Rogan before we get out of here.

00:33:38.820 Elon does Joe Rogan's show.

00:33:40.920 He did not smoke a big spliff this time as he did, I believe, the last time he was on Joe

00:33:44.840 Rogan's show.

00:33:45.360 But he also expressed some worries about this election that are unique, say, in this election

00:33:53.140 compared to all of the other elections in his lifetime.

00:33:56.020 Namely, Elon fears that if Trump does not win this election, we might not have any more

00:34:02.960 elections.

00:34:03.380 Well, I'll say it again, man.

00:34:06.860 I think this is the last election.

00:34:08.520 If Trump doesn't win, this is the last election.

00:34:11.400 I think you're right.

00:34:12.520 Yeah.

00:34:13.160 I think you're right.

00:34:14.060 And I think people and a lot of people are waking up and realize that that have been lifelong

00:34:18.860 Democrats, guys like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath, Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the

00:34:23.620 Republicans.

00:34:24.260 Like, there's a lot of people who their whole life they've been left-wing and they realize

00:34:27.660 like, I can't do this anymore.

00:34:29.460 You and I used to be Democrats.

00:34:30.400 Yeah.

00:34:30.820 So.

00:34:31.260 Yeah.

00:34:31.800 Yeah.

00:34:32.240 It's nuts.

00:34:33.820 It's nuts, man.

00:34:34.780 And, you know, I mean, I think the things we want are just pretty basic.

00:34:39.100 You know, it's like we want individual liberties and we want opportunity.

00:34:44.260 We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity.

00:34:48.140 So we maximize people's personal freedom.

00:34:50.460 The government can't barge into your house and kill your pet.

00:34:54.420 That's the job.

00:34:56.920 And, you know, and that you succeed as a function of your hard work and talent, not anything else.

00:35:03.260 Not race, religion.

00:35:05.820 Okay.

00:35:06.260 This is a fair enough point, I think.

00:35:10.620 You know, Elon is expressing, I think, quite clearly that he is a, he's a liberal.

00:35:16.160 He is a liberal.

00:35:17.560 Some of us are conservatives, but he's a liberal.

00:35:19.560 He says, I want to maximize individual autonomy.

00:35:22.200 I want, I'm, you know, I didn't leave my party.

00:35:24.380 My party left me.

00:35:25.200 Joe Rogan's saying the same thing.

00:35:26.860 Tulsi Gabbard is saying much the same thing.

00:35:28.560 Bobby Kennedy is saying much the same thing.

00:35:30.300 Something has shifted.

00:35:31.540 And then the point that Elon is making here, I think is really important.

00:35:34.640 Does he literally mean there won't be election day in four years?

00:35:39.440 I don't think that's what he means literally.

00:35:41.600 He's saying that the left's program, especially of open borders and just declaring foreigners,

00:35:48.400 citizens, even against the law, that practically speaking, that means that Americans will not have 0.90

00:35:55.800 control over their government anymore.

00:35:57.320 They won't, for all intents and purposes, really be able to elect their leaders anymore

00:36:02.800 if the leaders can just choose to make however many millions of people they want into American citizens.

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00:36:57.220 My favorite comment yesterday is from CaseWojo6186, who said,

00:37:02.940 My life was a lot better under Trump.

00:37:05.300 Quite frankly, I took it for granted.

00:37:06.980 I did not know how bad things would get under Biden.

00:37:09.140 I'm positive we'll get even worse under communist Kamala.

00:37:12.760 Yeah, I think that's true.

00:37:14.420 The presidency does not determine every facet of your life.

00:37:18.940 It's not the most important thing in your life.

00:37:22.040 The most important thing in your life is probably your relationship with God, first and foremost,

00:37:27.180 and followed by your relationship with your family and your local community.

00:37:30.620 I mean, these things are immediately more important.

00:37:34.240 Your job, what you're doing, even your leisure activities.

00:37:38.260 But these presidential elections are so important because they form the background of so much of that activity.

00:37:46.060 When goods and services cost 30% more because the wrong guy became president three and a half years ago,

00:37:52.640 that's a problem.

00:37:53.680 That's going to affect how you can send your kids to school.

00:37:57.020 That's going to affect what kind of food you can buy for your family, okay?

00:38:00.740 When America is dragged into wars because instead of having the good foreign policy president

00:38:08.640 with the most successful foreign policy in our lifetime, President Trump,

00:38:11.300 you have some other guy or some other woman.

00:38:14.140 And all of a sudden, America is bleeding money, bleeding blood through our service members.

00:38:19.580 The world is on the move.

00:38:21.380 There's war breaking up.

00:38:23.220 That affects you.

00:38:24.340 You know, that affects the society.

00:38:27.060 That affects the background in which all those other activities take place.

00:38:30.740 And a lot of people take it for granted.

00:38:32.260 Don't take it for granted.

00:38:35.280 Now, back to Elon Musk.

00:38:39.740 Elon expressed a view on the Rogan show that is not unique to him.

00:38:44.920 Bill Maher recently expressed the same view.

00:38:46.900 Elon said to Joe, one of the things that drives him craziest about what the Democrats are doing right now

00:38:52.080 is they are knowingly peddling hoaxes about Trump, including in the last few days of the campaign.

00:38:59.360 When you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second.

00:39:06.580 Like, come on, man.

00:39:07.580 This is too far.

00:39:09.100 And you're supposed to be the good guys.

00:39:10.300 You're supposed to.

00:39:11.020 And you claim to be the good guys.

00:39:12.540 I'm like, exactly.

00:39:13.460 You're supposed to be the progressives.

00:39:15.040 Yes.

00:39:15.360 The Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys.

00:39:16.640 We're the honest people.

00:39:17.920 No, no.

00:39:18.200 Hang on.

00:39:18.840 You can't claim to be the good guys.

00:39:19.960 You can't claim to be the honest people.

00:39:21.360 If you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly.

00:39:26.920 Yeah.

00:39:27.480 Well, not just.

00:39:28.280 Like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus.

00:39:31.420 Yeah.

00:39:31.780 Like the fine people hoax.

00:39:33.640 Obama just said that on stage.

00:39:35.000 Obama just said that.

00:39:35.640 I was like, what the flying.

00:39:36.940 He doesn't give a.

00:39:38.240 He doesn't give a.

00:39:39.200 They're just.

00:39:39.820 That's a flat out lie.

00:39:41.540 Flat out lie.

00:39:42.480 Flat out lie.

00:39:43.240 How about the.

00:39:44.060 Notice the distinction here.

00:39:45.800 Elon's talking about deliberate hoaxes.

00:39:47.660 He's not saying when you just say things that aren't true. 1.00

00:39:50.500 When you're ignorant, lesbian, leftist niece from Swarthmore, who doesn't know anything, 1.00

00:39:57.460 shows up to Thanksgiving and starts mouthing off about how Trump called Nazis fine people. 1.00

00:40:01.760 It's annoying.

00:40:02.900 And you should correct her if you can in a gentle, loving way.

00:40:06.620 But she doesn't know. 1.00

00:40:08.060 She's just ignorant. 1.00

00:40:08.900 She's just saying something that isn't true because she believes media propaganda. 0.99

00:40:11.840 Not so when, as Elon and Joe are referencing here, Barack Obama shows up on the campaign

00:40:19.000 trail a few days ago.

00:40:19.940 Barack Obama, say what you will about him.

00:40:21.160 He's an intelligent guy.

00:40:22.540 He's a pretty well-read guy.

00:40:24.780 He knows that it has been debunked time and time again, even by liberal outlets.

00:40:29.660 Trump did not call Nazis fine people at Charlottesville.

00:40:32.860 They've seen the tape.

00:40:33.720 They've read the transcript.

00:40:34.780 They know that isn't true.

00:40:36.000 But Barack Obama lies anyway.

00:40:38.080 Maybe you're Muslim American or Jewish American, and you are heartbroken and furious about the

00:40:45.960 ongoing bloodshed in the Middle East and worried about the rise of anti-Semitism.

00:40:55.000 Why would you place your faith in somebody who instituted a so-called Muslim ban?

00:40:59.860 Who sat down for pleasantries with Holocaust deniers?

00:41:08.140 Who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally?

00:41:16.580 Why would you do that?

00:41:18.000 He sat down.

00:41:18.760 I love how Barack Obama a week ago said, how did we get so divided in this country?

00:41:21.920 How did we get so divided?

00:41:23.040 Trump says Nazis are fine people.

00:41:25.280 He did it.

00:41:25.780 He totally did.

00:41:26.420 Don't look at the tape, though.

00:41:27.320 Don't actually, don't Google it.

00:41:28.640 Don't read any.

00:41:29.380 Just believe me.

00:41:30.560 He called Nazis fine people. 0.96

00:41:31.820 And the reason that Elon and Joe are objecting to that in particular, so many lies, but that

00:41:36.880 one in particular is, it is insulting.

00:41:41.480 It is insulting to our intelligence.

00:41:46.580 Barack Obama is expressing a disrespect for the intelligence of his audience when he lies

00:41:53.020 to them deliberately.

00:41:54.160 And through that disrespect, he is expressing a contempt of the American people.

00:42:02.680 And this should be no surprise.

00:42:04.220 Barack Obama, when he ran for president, he said he wanted to fundamentally transform America,

00:42:08.400 which is tantamount to saying that he hates America as it is or as it was at that time.

00:42:14.880 Because you don't fundamentally transform, you don't want to fundamentally transform things

00:42:18.740 that you love.

00:42:20.280 So he was expressing a contempt for the American people and for the United States.

00:42:24.860 And he was cheered on in that contempt by many people in America.

00:42:28.700 I think that's what's so offensive to people about this, about the lies.

00:42:33.460 It's not just the mendacity.

00:42:36.000 It's not just the attempt to pull one over and get a little dirty trick in before the

00:42:42.620 election.

00:42:43.520 It expresses a deeper disrespect and contempt for the audience, for the American people.

00:42:51.060 And Elon and Joe are there and they say, you know, I'm out.

00:42:53.560 I'm out.

00:42:54.300 This is just too much for me.

00:42:56.620 I guess I'm on the other side now.

00:42:58.180 It's not just Joe Rogan.

00:42:59.120 It's not just Elon Musk.

00:42:59.840 Bill Maher made the same point about the hoaxes.

00:43:04.720 What do you make of the statement?

00:43:07.320 I woke up today to the headline that Trump had called for a firing squad for Liz Cheney.

00:43:13.400 And this is what I really don't like about the media.

00:43:16.640 No, he didn't.

00:43:17.660 He didn't.

00:43:17.860 You don't have to move me to not like Donald Trump.

00:43:21.460 He says so many things.

00:43:24.280 No, he didn't.

00:43:25.700 No, he didn't, he says.

00:43:27.460 And he goes on to say, just to be clear, this is exactly what hippies always said.

00:43:33.220 This is exactly what Peacenix always said.

00:43:34.760 This is Fortunate Son, the song.

00:43:36.560 It's like, you know what?

00:43:37.900 It's very easy to sit in your building and send young men to die, apropos of Ukraine. 1.00

00:43:41.380 But I don't know.

00:43:42.100 The war does not look like it's going in the right direction.

00:43:43.900 Just so, just don't lie to me.

00:43:46.860 I don't like Donald Trump.

00:43:48.580 Don't lie to me and tell me she was in.

00:43:50.760 He wants her in front of a firing squad.

00:43:52.500 He's saying, don't lie to me.

00:43:54.500 I already don't like that.

00:43:55.480 Don't, but don't, you're, the media are making Bill Maher like Trump more because it's offensive.

00:44:04.380 And it's very telling that Trump's attacks on his rivals are true statements that they want to cover up.

00:44:14.220 When Trump says Kamala wants to end fracking, she said that.

00:44:18.280 We have videotape before saying that.

00:44:19.400 She said it on network television.

00:44:20.600 When Trump says Kamala supports an open border, she was the border czar under Biden and she left the border open.

00:44:28.060 That's just, you can check that.

00:44:30.480 When Trump says she wants to go soft on crime, she did campaign on going soft on crime.

00:44:36.700 She's held both sides of every single issue, but he's just pointing out things that she has said and that she has done.

00:44:41.720 When the Libs want to attack Trump, Harris and Biden and Obama, they make things up.

00:44:50.620 He called Nazis fine people at Charlottesville.

00:44:52.780 If they have to make things up, what that signals to me is, beyond the disrespect for the voters from the Democrats, what that signals to me is they don't have anything real to hit them on.

00:45:03.860 Even after all this time, even after a full term, even after then another presidential term campaigning out of office, even after all these decades in public life, they actually don't have all that much on Trump.

00:45:15.920 So they have to rig it a little bit.

00:45:17.060 And they did, there was one last little cheat they tried to get through.

00:45:19.920 SNL, which had a funny bit on Tim Kaine, I played it on the show yesterday.

00:45:25.600 SNL snuck in Kamala Harris for one last appearance before the election. 1.00

00:45:29.140 I don't really laugh like that, do I?

00:45:59.140 Now Kamala, take my Pamala. 1.00

00:46:05.620 The American people want to stop the chaos and end the Dramala with a cool new Step-Mamala. 1.00

00:46:15.040 Kick back in our pajamas and watch a Ram Kamala. 0.73

00:46:20.640 Like Legally Blondala. 0.98

00:46:23.320 And start decorating for Christmas.

00:46:26.260 Follow La-la-la. 0.99

00:46:29.140 Because what do we always say?

00:46:31.120 Keep Kamala and carry on-a-la. 1.00

00:46:33.460 Excuse me, gotta, gotta, gotta, I have to take a little break here for a second.

00:46:43.880 That was very cringe-inducing and illegal, by the way.

00:46:47.840 That violates the FCC rule for equal time.

00:46:51.200 Because NBC is not a podcast, it's not even cable, it's a network TV show.

00:46:55.300 And so they really have to offer equal time to the other candidate.

00:46:58.200 And they're not going to do that, and they'll probably pay a fine.

00:47:01.720 All of which is to say, SNL knew what it was doing here.

00:47:05.900 NBC knew what it was doing.

00:47:07.240 It broke the rules, and it said, we won't have to deal with the consequences.

00:47:10.240 We won't, at least we won't have to deal with the consequences until after it matters.

00:47:14.400 Until after Election Day.

00:47:15.880 There's going to be a lot of that today.

00:47:17.640 There are going to be a lot of shenanigans.

00:47:18.660 There are shenanigans in every single election.

00:47:20.200 There are attempts to cheat in every single election.

00:47:21.840 And in my experience, it's been disproportionately from the Democrats, but it's been going on for a very long time.

00:47:27.680 There are going to be so many attempts to skew things as the day drags on.

00:47:35.400 The RNC, the Trump team, says they have very good lawyers.

00:47:37.960 They're watching this poll watchers, people ready to make challenges if untoward actions are taking place.

00:47:44.060 But this is going to be white-knuckle intense all the way until the end, whenever the end is.

00:47:51.340 And we'll be here.

00:47:52.620 So I think I'll be on air for about 37 hours today and then in perpetuity until the election results come in.

00:47:58.800 So this marks the end of the formal show.

00:48:02.800 But we are going to stay live until Mr. Shapiro is on very shortly.

00:48:08.880 And I'll be joined by some friends of mine.

00:48:10.280 So I'll see you over there.

00:48:12.760 Before we get to some friends of mine, I want to take questions from the Chhem Lulachem, 0.97

00:48:19.680 the Daily Wire Plus members.

00:48:21.920 If you are not taking questions, I love you all on YouTube and X and everything.

00:48:25.240 You're all great.

00:48:26.120 But no hoi polloi questions right now. 0.67

00:48:27.940 This is from the Chhem Lulachem.

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00:48:37.960 Don't cut Ben off today, says Tyler H.

00:48:39.920 I fully intend to do that.

00:48:42.380 I can't wait to cut Ben off on his show and then all throughout the election night coverage.

00:48:47.220 Wow, that's a long day, says Ellie.

00:48:48.720 It's true.

00:48:49.220 Some are suggesting that 37 out of 24 hours is violating some kind of cosmic laws.

00:48:55.480 But it will happen.

00:48:56.600 We live in a strange age where the Cheneys are campaigning for the Democrat and Trump is the greatest president of this century. 0.89

00:49:02.100 So, you know, look, we live in unusual times.

00:49:08.420 I don't want to stay up until 3 a.m., lol, says Aitlian. 1.00

00:49:11.020 Well, too bad, because you're going to.

00:49:13.980 Catherine, I hope we find out tonight.

00:49:15.760 I know, me too.

00:49:16.980 Oh, man.

00:49:18.360 We all hope that we find out tonight.

00:49:20.260 But I really hope we find out tonight because I will not sleep for days if we don't find out.

00:49:28.260 However, I have three kids under four, so actually I'll probably, I'm more likely to sleep even just being on air at the Daily Wire in perpetuity than I would if I went home and lied in my bed.

00:49:39.100 What do I make for breakfast, says HSF Grazia.

00:49:43.160 Make it a small breakfast, if any.

00:49:44.940 A little fasting is not a bad idea.

00:49:47.900 I'm not calling you fat.

00:49:49.180 I'm saying it's a good spiritual discipline, especially on Election Day.

00:49:52.280 Dude, they had to give Trump a minute ad on SNL.

00:49:59.380 Yeah, they should.

00:50:00.580 They should, but they'll just pay a fine or something. 0.75

00:50:02.780 They won't.

00:50:03.140 They'll just deal with it after the election.

00:50:05.900 Okay.

00:50:07.460 This is too much.

00:50:09.120 I'm getting a funnel of intelligence from the Chimdil HaChim. 1.00

00:50:12.660 So I want to narrow all of that.

00:50:15.360 I want to keep all of the intelligence, but I want just one source of it, and that will be my friend, Doctor.

00:50:22.440 Spencer Clavin.

00:50:23.620 Dr. Clavin, thank you for taking time out of your busy election day.

00:50:28.600 It's a true pleasure, or I would have said that until you made me listen to that SNL sketch.

00:50:34.200 However long we collectively have to be on the air today, it can't be longer than that sketch was.

00:50:41.760 It's not.

00:50:42.340 It kept happening.

00:50:43.560 Yes.

00:50:44.060 It never stopped.

00:50:44.840 It feels like it's happening still, actually, in the recesses of my mind.

00:50:48.080 It's still going on.

00:50:49.020 Yes, I know.

00:50:49.860 That's right.

00:50:50.020 Now, Spencer, while many of us are focused on comparisons between this election and, say, 2016 or 2020 or even 2004, you have a little bit of a broader scope of things.

00:51:01.780 Like, you don't, you know, read necessarily the columns of, I don't know, Jonah Goldberg or Ross Douthat so much as you read the columns of, like, Polybius, you know, or Machiavelli or Seneca.

00:51:18.340 I don't know.

00:51:18.780 So, given your classicist background, I'm curious your thoughts on what Elon said.

00:51:24.100 Elon said, if we lose this election, this is going to be the last election, which has all sorts of implications to it, literal, there's subtext to that, all sorts of, so what's your take?

00:51:35.840 You put the 2024 American election in the scope of all, the history of all polities.

00:51:40.520 Well, on the one hand, ever since I've been conscious, conscious, sentient, people have been saying that whatever election is going on is the most important election ever.

00:51:55.720 And if this bad guy gets into office, we're completely hosed.

00:52:00.040 We're toast.

00:52:00.620 On the other hand, this is a very important election.

00:52:05.700 And if this Kamala person gets into office, we are hosed, man. 1.00

00:52:09.880 I actually, I wouldn't be so bold as to make a prediction.

00:52:14.580 I mean, maybe, you know, Musk's the richest man in the world.

00:52:16.380 Maybe he knows something I don't.

00:52:17.700 I wouldn't.

00:52:18.660 I'm part of my experience of history and, you know, reading the annals of deep time has convinced me never to make predictions.

00:52:27.520 Because one thing I think your boy Machiavelli would suggest is that human affairs aren't subject to the kind of ironclad mathematical or scientific rules that we might wish to use to make those sorts of predictions.

00:52:41.520 But the Greeks, before Machiavelli, did have this idea about regimes, that even if things can't be predicted exactly, you can't do your Nostradamus chart and point with your finger exactly to when the republic's going to fall, you can discern patterns.

00:52:59.260 You can see certain trends that tend to repeat themselves.

00:53:02.140 And the more history you read, the more you start to see these patterns.

00:53:05.560 And for Polybius, whom you mentioned, the pattern was a cycle.

00:53:08.620 We would run through these different kinds of government.

00:53:13.020 And, you know, you might start with a king, but then the king would become a tyrant.

00:53:17.620 And so the nobles would rise up and form an aristocracy.

00:53:20.840 And then they would kind of decay into this oligarchy.

00:53:24.640 And the people would rise up.

00:53:25.900 You get a democracy.

00:53:27.260 Democracy devolves into mob rule and some strong man takes over.

00:53:30.520 You know, this is called the cycle of regimes.

00:53:32.620 And our republic, the American republic, is designed as a kind of break.

00:53:39.860 It's a way out of, an exit ramp from that cycle so that we can actually have these different kinds of power balancing against one another.

00:53:47.320 This is the kind of thing we all learned in civics class, checks and balances.

00:53:50.020 And so what I would say is that we are right now undergoing one of the biggest stress tests to that system I think we've ever seen.

00:54:00.480 We've had a particularly violent one in the civil war.

00:54:04.600 And people don't realize how miraculous it is that we came out of that conflict with our regime intact, that we still had a republic before and after we fought a war internally.

00:54:15.860 That's an incredible accomplishment on the part of the American system.

00:54:20.440 Now we have something that Machiavelli wrote a lot about, which is a crisis of confidence in the elites.

00:54:26.340 And when you talk about these patterns and the kinds of things that bring regimes down, I think that our elites have been toying with napalm.

00:54:35.200 I mean, to say that they've been playing with fire would be to understate it.

00:54:38.760 You know, it's like the fact that we're still talking now about having a relatively free and fair election, that we're hopeful we will know the outcome tonight or soon is kind of a miracle.

00:54:51.640 I know that things have seemed so awful, but relative to the possibilities, if you think about, you know, what happened to Athens after the Peloponnesian War, or if you think about the way that Rome faced the similar problems to us at the end of its republic and metamorphosed into an empire, into a totally new kind of regime.

00:55:10.920 We're toying with a lot of those same forces and our elites have been throwing fuel on that fire, but we have two things that the Romans didn't have.

00:55:22.060 We have this new world that was opened up by our great Puritan forefathers, you know, long by their memory reign.

00:55:30.960 And we have the Lord Jesus Christ, we have God Almighty, and these are two major transformations from the world of pagan Rome, and they shaped every step of the founding of our country.

00:55:46.200 People try to pretend that this was just an enlightenment sort of rationalist project.

00:55:51.480 We gave up on believing in God as part of government.

00:55:54.360 That's all hogwash. 0.73

00:55:56.160 It's all hooey.

00:55:56.880 The founders to a man believed that by founding this republic, they were shaping politics in the most godly way possible.

00:56:07.080 And that did include freedom of religion, but that's because God is the God of freedom.

00:56:12.160 You know, God has set us free for freedom, and that's part of his intention for us.

00:56:18.040 He alone can bring us through what's about to happen.

00:56:22.420 You know, I'm not going to say that if Kamala comes in, we'll never have another shot at this ever.

00:56:27.760 But we are, I think right now, what we're just trying to decide is whether an American revival will sweep through the government or have to fight against the government.

00:56:38.940 And I do not mean with arms.

00:56:40.480 I don't mean like we're destined for civil war, but I do mean that patriots who love this country, of which there are many, are going to either be working through their federal government under a Trump administration, or they're going to be harassed and hobbled and sought out and attacked by their federal government, as they have been over the past four years.

00:57:03.440 So, you know, we're trying to do something that's never been done.

00:57:07.200 We're trying to get through a regime crisis without a transformation of our regime.

00:57:12.000 If anybody's got a shot at it, we have.

00:57:14.340 But it's an important election.

00:57:17.820 My favorite part about your answer there is that you referred to the pilgrims of the Mayflower, which reminds me of my favorite cigar company, Mayflower Cigars.

00:57:25.820 But my second favorite point is this question of whether or not we will survive with our regime intact.

00:57:34.080 Because I've sometimes, this is my deeper reading of what Ilan has to say, is not that there won't be election day four years from now.

00:57:42.760 I bet there will be election day.

00:57:43.840 You know, Saddam Hussein had election day too. 0.62

00:57:45.240 But it's the question of whether or not when the Democrats legalize or make citizens of 11 million people, whether our vote really matters, whether it carries the significance that it presently does.

00:57:57.520 And obviously it would not in that case if there were to be mass amnesty.

00:58:01.620 It may not already, given all of the mass migration of the past 60 years, the largest movement of people anywhere in recorded history.

00:58:08.820 And so that is what got me thinking about Polybius is, it seems to me, all of the political wins are in our favor right now.

00:58:17.580 The economy is trash under Biden and Harris.

00:58:20.640 The foreign policy has gone completely to hell in a handbasket after Trump brought peace to the Middle East, for goodness sakes. 0.99

00:58:25.900 The immigration crisis is driving people crazy. 1.00

00:58:28.380 You know, the domestic social issues, notably transing the kids, is really arousing passions.

00:58:35.160 And a lot of people, even on the center left.

00:58:37.460 So it's all bad for the country, but it's good for Republicans.

00:58:41.040 Everything is working in our favor right now.

00:58:43.880 Kamala Harris is totally unpopular.

00:58:45.880 She's never won a single vote in a primary when she ran for president.

00:58:48.400 They'd swapped out their nominee last minute.

00:58:50.020 You know, I'm just saying every single thing.

00:58:52.120 I could be here for two hours talking about all of the advantages that we have in this election, which then makes me think, if we cannot win in these circumstances, even President Trump.

00:59:04.700 Some people don't like President Trump, and he has more sympathy than he's ever had because they almost blew his head off twice.

00:59:09.340 If we can't win in these circumstances, can we just not win?

00:59:14.120 You know, meaning if we can't win in 2024, is it possible?

00:59:19.420 We just, the referendum is not on Trump or Kamala, but it's just a referendum on the kind of regime that we think we live in.

00:59:25.760 I think that's extremely well put.

00:59:29.660 One thing that will really, as they say, blackpill me about Kamala Harris' victory is that she really does represent the avatar of our feckless elites. 0.88

00:59:42.780 She has no accomplishments.

00:59:44.520 She's never won a single primary election.

00:59:47.720 She is effectively a hollow human shape in which is poured the pure desire for power for its own sake. 1.00

00:59:58.740 And that is a perfect embodiment of the larger network of people who don't care about this country, don't want us to succeed,

01:00:08.560 don't want average Americans to have a country that serves them, but are rather in hock to their own abstruse theories and their own political power.

01:00:20.280 And she is basically just an empty vessel for that machine. 1.00

01:00:26.160 And so it's in some ways extraordinarily fitting that she's the person that Donald Trump is up against.

01:00:32.840 During the primaries for this election, I used to think that the face-off we really deserved was Ron DeSantis versus Governor Gavin Newsom of California.

01:00:44.600 I thought these two governors represent the two red and blue state approaches that have had exactly the wages you would expect them to have.

01:00:53.520 Florida is thriving.

01:00:55.000 It's open.

01:00:56.000 It's free.

01:00:56.580 It's like full of kind of a, in fact, a multicultural, but nevertheless Americanist verve.

01:01:03.800 California is a giant sinkhole on the shore of the country.

01:01:08.260 You and I both fled it.

01:01:09.940 We're both California refugees.

01:01:11.460 We know whereof we speak.

01:01:13.040 And I thought what we really need is for these two guys to represent these two approaches to American government.

01:01:17.740 And so when it turned out to be Trump-Biden and then Trump-Kamala, at first I thought, you know, we've really kind of gotten stuck here in a sort of like we're reliving our traumas or something from the past year.

01:01:31.960 I don't think that anymore.

01:01:33.820 I actually think this is the exact election we deserve.

01:01:37.400 It's not the election I wish we had.

01:01:39.600 It's not the candidates I wish we were watching face-off against each other.

01:01:43.140 But in fact, it does plausibly represent the conflict at the heart of the country right now.

01:01:49.680 On the one hand, you have a kind of pandering, racist, tribalist, classist, anti-meritocratic regime whose representatives are effectively faceless, who can be swapped out literally at will, ad libitum.

01:02:05.880 They can just drop somebody else into that empty spot.

01:02:08.660 And on the other hand, you have this messy, scrappy, relentless, uncouth, and utterly lovable rascal, right?

01:02:19.880 This total King David-style kind of, you know, bulldozer.

01:02:26.420 Literally dancing before the Lord.

01:02:28.480 Literally with this thing.

01:02:30.140 Yeah.

01:02:30.280 Right.

01:02:31.920 And, you know, as just every bit as imperfect a vessel as David was, backed by all of the smartest people in the country, all the most interesting thinkers in the country, and an actual representative sample of the populace, the people of the country.

01:02:49.480 Trump has an actual Republican coalition, not in the capital R sense of this is the Republican candidate, but in the small R sense that he represents all three major class interests within a republic.

01:03:01.980 He has the genuine elite are behind him in the person of J.D. Vance, for instance, actual smart people with or without credentials.

01:03:08.500 The sort of power brokers of the country who are interested in making genuine moves in the electorate, which is, you know, or rather in the executive branch.

01:03:19.460 And then a sampling of the public that genuinely represents, I think, the American spirit.

01:03:24.840 And yeah, we're actually sort of seeing which of those two things, if our system is working, it's obvious which of those two things should succeed.

01:03:32.460 It's the representative sample of the of the public will.

01:03:35.940 If it's not, then, yeah, like we can have elections or not have elections.

01:03:39.960 It really doesn't doesn't matter.

01:03:42.020 So then I want to get to your prediction, because your point on the diversity, the proper variety, you know, Republican diversity of the Trump coalition is right is impressive.

01:03:52.780 I was at the MSG rally in New York and someone, a black guy pointed out to me, said, you know, this is the most diverse movement in American politics.

01:04:00.140 And he was speaking not of your, you know, your class distinction, which I think is an important one.

01:04:05.800 Also, maybe a more important one.

01:04:07.360 But also, he just pointed out, you know, there was a lady in a hijab and a dude waving an Israel flag like 40 feet away from each other.

01:04:15.580 And they both had good reason to support Trump, actually, to say nothing of all the races and sexes and, you know, all the rest of it.

01:04:23.600 That's there.

01:04:24.300 You don't see that kind of vibrancy on Kamala's team. 0.99

01:04:28.880 But then, OK, it all sounds good.

01:04:31.160 It all sounds really good, Dr. Clavin.

01:04:33.460 In theory, I agree with you on what the election represents, what the stakes are.

01:04:38.720 I agree with you.

01:04:39.280 This is the fight that we should be having.

01:04:41.860 This is the this is the appropriate fight for this moment.

01:04:45.400 Are we going to win?

01:04:46.180 Neither the pollsters nor the pundits, nor perhaps even the angels in heaven.

01:04:56.280 But only God, the father knows what what's I genuinely believe.

01:05:00.580 I've been reading the polls.

01:05:02.040 I've been watching as each new result comes in from early voting.

01:05:06.460 I've been scrutinizing the tea leaves with the best of them.

01:05:10.360 And all I can conclude is that nobody knows a thing.

01:05:14.360 Nobody knows it's like all our categories are completely exploded.

01:05:18.280 So having said that and throwing caution to the winds, I'm I'm very hopeful.

01:05:24.520 I am.

01:05:25.000 I'm an optimist about this election.

01:05:27.180 I what you have said about the word that was really misused in this election, the joy, the energy, the vibrancy, right, which was astroturfed into the Kamala Harris presidency when she first or rather candidacy when she first emerged, but was really only there as an attempt to steal something that is one of Trump's actual best qualities.

01:05:51.880 You know, that plus the genuine, you know, guys like us who are sort of really invested in our philosophy and our principles, we often get mad at Trump about this. 0.55

01:06:06.180 And it's funny because people will come up to me and they'll say, like, how can you support Donald Trump, this abortion hating, you know, gay banning villain?

01:06:18.100 And I'll say to these people, you know, I know a lot of people who wish that were an accurate depiction of Donald Trump.

01:06:25.960 You don't understand that the Republican like hard right right now is very upset with Trump because he's not that guy at all.

01:06:32.160 Right. He's this sort of expansive.

01:06:34.540 I mean, the McDonald's news moment.

01:06:38.100 It was the most perfect embodiment of who this guy is.

01:06:41.180 I still think that that's what the country wants and is ready for.

01:06:45.840 Sure. You probably didn't wake up this morning and expect to discuss the Edict of Caracalla on your on your podcast, Michael.

01:06:55.080 Of course, I did. Every morning.

01:06:56.380 Of course. I'm sorry.

01:06:57.060 I had an expectation.

01:06:57.560 Well, I was under the impression that nobody expects the Edict of Caracalla, but I guess that's the Spanish Inquisition, which you probably also have discussed now that I think about it on the show.

01:07:05.460 So the Edict of Caracalla is this sort of obscure third century A.D. legal reform by Emperor Caracalla, a notorious tyrant, which finally gave up the ghost and attributed citizenship to everybody, effectively every male under Roman jurisdiction.

01:07:26.180 They had had a very elaborate kind of complex system, sort of like some of the stuff we do in, like, you know, our territories and outlying, you know, quasi states where some people were citizens.

01:07:37.520 Some people have various rights.

01:07:38.640 Right.

01:07:38.920 Caracalla is just like, no, everybody is a citizen.

01:07:42.080 Why did he do it?

01:07:43.000 He did it to bulk up his military, that is, to get warm bodies who could serve in the Roman military and to increase his tax base.

01:07:51.900 In other words, the most notorious tyrants in history have been interested in importing mass citizenry in an indistinguishable wash of people for their own craven purposes.

01:08:07.100 I'm not saying that this aspect of history repeats itself.

01:08:10.660 It's just I'm saying that this aspect of history repeats itself. 0.65

01:08:14.400 So so you write the big yeah, the big kind of worry that I have is that there's already been such a craven, cynical, disgusting, self-interested and most of all, dishonest, hypocritical effort to kind of swell the ranks of the voter rolls with with people from God knows where.

01:08:37.860 You may or may not be perfectly decent people, but are obviously being used in this in this political ploy of the Democrats that that gives me you know, that keeps me up at night.

01:08:47.220 But, you know, I'm hopeful.

01:08:49.360 I've got my first cup of covfefe and I'm hoping that it's going to be the first one of many, many more today.

01:08:55.000 I agree with you on that, I think, realistic note.

01:08:59.360 I wouldn't say on that, you know, jokingly on that happy note or something.

01:09:02.220 That's a realistic note.

01:09:03.320 The hour is quite late.

01:09:04.920 This this stuff has been going on for a long time.

01:09:07.300 However, we're hopeful because hope is a theological fact.

01:09:10.160 And there are there are ultimate causes of hope.

01:09:12.780 And I think there are even immediate causes of hope in this election, though.

01:09:16.260 No one, none of us knows, at least not until right now.

01:09:19.600 Everyone needs to go out right now, right this second and get Spencer's book, Light of the Mind, Light of the World, which is probably the best book I've read in 10 years.

01:09:28.340 Certainly that has come out recently.

01:09:29.920 I guess I've read, you know, like Tolstoy recently, but it's and it's up there.

01:09:32.900 But but this book is absolutely magnificent, Light of the Mind, Light of the World.

01:09:37.000 And you should follow Spencer's podcast, Young Heretics.

01:09:40.280 Dr. Clavin, thank you for coming on the show.

01:09:42.740 Sir, it's always a pleasure.

01:09:44.620 Thanks, Michael.

01:09:45.260 See you later.

01:09:46.400 Now, I believe I have one last guest before I have to give up this show to Ben.

01:09:51.240 Is that correct?

01:09:51.980 I think I have one last guest who is somewhere in my building right now.

01:09:56.300 And that would be.

01:09:58.360 Well, we don't have her yet.

01:09:59.700 OK, she's she's playing hard to get. 0.98

01:10:01.640 That's that's totally fine.

01:10:02.780 And I do want to take at least a few questions from the chat.

01:10:05.320 Vote for President Covfefe, says Sniper.

01:10:07.220 So true.

01:10:09.040 Catherine, hope is one of the three theological virtues.

01:10:11.840 That is true.

01:10:12.740 And it's a fact because it's based on a real event that happened.

01:10:18.480 Got to go see you guys tonight, says Conservative family.

01:10:21.420 I don't know.

01:10:21.620 There are going to be people if you're like me, at least good for you.

01:10:24.280 If you can take a break from watching the election come in.

01:10:27.060 You're like me.

01:10:27.660 I have been watching stuff happening, just refreshing my feed since last night when I was writing my show.

01:10:36.940 I was sitting out with a cigar.

01:10:38.960 I've just been refreshing.

01:10:40.320 And that's probably going to be the case until they call it.

01:10:44.140 So if you can go take a nap or something or go like do your work, then that's probably a good idea.

01:10:48.200 At some point today, maybe around lunch, take a little break for lunch and then you can come right back to it.

01:10:51.680 But we will be with you all all day long in one form or another.

01:10:56.560 We have Mary Morgan.

01:10:58.540 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm so pleased to bring on my friend of TimCast fame.

01:11:03.800 That would be Mary Morgan. 0.59

01:11:05.620 Mary Morgan, thank you for being here.

01:11:07.920 Hi, Michael.

01:11:08.860 You're so close yet so far away.

01:11:11.000 I know.

01:11:11.420 Well, I was wondering where you are.

01:11:12.900 Are we coming to you live from a black hole or something like that?

01:11:15.440 Where are you?

01:11:16.840 I don't even know.

01:11:18.340 This is like I'm in a broom closet somewhere.

01:11:21.640 That might be my old studio, I think.

01:11:23.900 Mary Morgan, you're a ute. 1.00

01:11:25.280 You're a ute.

01:11:25.800 You're a young lady.

01:11:26.820 You've got your finger on the pulse of what all the cool, hip, young, jive-talking kids are doing.

01:11:32.360 What is going to happen tonight?

01:11:35.120 I'm so glad that you're looking to me for insight about all of the cool, young, hip people.

01:11:42.120 I can enlighten you about what all of the white girl Gen Z voters are thinking about.

01:11:49.740 And I hate to say it, but they are not going to be voting for Trump in droves.

01:11:55.800 They are so activated by the issue of abortion.

01:11:59.380 And I'm still thinking about this so much because it came up on Timcast IRL last night, just how much this issue has activated female voters.

01:12:08.620 And I've noticed that really Kamala is campaigning to women and seniors, but to women. 0.80

01:12:15.400 And Trump is trying to campaign to everyone, which is what you should do if you're a populist.

01:12:21.360 But it seems to be whatever she is doing is working at least to activate those female voters. 0.95

01:12:27.920 And it's really their number one issue.

01:12:29.880 And people find it really disturbing, as they should, if you really think about what that means.

01:12:34.860 Yes, I saw these ads that, you know, they say, think of your daughters, men.

01:12:42.060 And when you go into the voting booth, think of your daughters and your granddaughters and their rights.

01:12:47.600 And I was talking this over at home last night.

01:12:49.200 And that ad is basically saying, hey, men, if Trump wins, again, this is also kind of based on just Kamala's pandering of her campaign, you know, pushing weird sex stuff and contraception and abortion and all this. 0.94

01:13:05.580 But what the ad itself is saying is, hey, men, if Trump wins, your daughter won't be able to be sexually used and abused by lots and lots of men. 0.98

01:13:16.420 And she might not be able to kill your grandchild. 0.99

01:13:19.680 That's why you have to vote for Kamala. 1.00

01:13:21.360 And I thought, you know, that's like a pretty crazy appeal, man.

01:13:24.160 If I were a man, I mean, again, I'm not a man like Tim Walz or whatever, you know, I'm not that new kind of man that they're trying to create. 0.79

01:13:32.220 But if I were, that would be really scandalous to me to say, hey, the chief appeal is vote for Kamala so your daughter can be super promiscuous and abused by all sorts of anonymous men. 1.00

01:13:45.620 And then maybe if she becomes pregnant so that she can murder her child, your grandchild. 1.00

01:13:50.640 I don't know. 0.98

01:13:51.180 That would have me.

01:13:52.120 There would be a Michael shaped hole in the wall so that I could go run and vote for Donald Trump.

01:13:56.640 Yeah, you're right.

01:13:58.000 It's super disturbing and it's not just the ads that are pushing those ideas.

01:14:03.120 But when I saw them, I was just like, oh, yeah, your daughter getting an abortion one day.

01:14:08.460 That's just every father's dream, right?

01:14:11.320 Where is this coming from?

01:14:13.180 And I really just think it's a spiritual problem.

01:14:16.700 And again, this came up on IRL last night.

01:14:19.140 We were talking about how people aren't having kids as much.

01:14:21.900 And I think Phil pointed out that there aren't pro-family policies, but really it's got to start with the culture and these cultural attitudes.

01:14:32.000 They are clearly targeting people with those cultural attitudes with those ads.

01:14:37.680 And they do exist, unfortunately.

01:14:40.420 Those attitudes do exist.

01:14:41.580 And the reason why abortion is so prized in our culture, especially by women, partly it's because of fear. 0.89

01:14:51.100 There is a lot of fear about violence, lack of resources, survival in our progressive future.

01:14:59.180 But most of all, it's about how it represents our sexual license.

01:15:05.160 And this is the key to our sexual license.

01:15:08.220 And we've decided that that's the tradeoff we want to make for it.

01:15:12.940 This is why the left needs abortion is because the left is pro-sexual revolution.

01:15:18.100 So if you do it in the old way, which is, you know, if you want to do that deed, you have to be married.

01:15:25.380 And if you, you know, if you do and you become pregnant and you're not married, then you actually probably should just get married.

01:15:30.700 But if you don't believe that, if you're going to try to blow up that whole thing, the fundamental political unit, which is the marriage, then you can try to do it with contraception.

01:15:37.700 But contraception is not foolproof.

01:15:40.780 Contraception, you know, people get pregnant even on contraception. 0.99

01:15:43.960 And so then you need that stopgap in order to really pretend that men and women are exactly the same and they're not complementary and marriage is unnecessary and a woman needs a man like a fish and needs a bicycle. 0.89

01:15:53.860 If you're going to pretend that, as the Democrats have for 60 years now or 50 years now, then you need that final measure that says, okay, and, you know, if you do get pregnant, we'll kill your kid for you and it's totally fine. 0.83

01:16:05.160 And it has activated women. 0.95

01:16:07.120 I wonder, though, especially for these younger women who are voting on this issue, I kind of wonder if it's younger women.

01:16:13.480 And also I've noticed some, like, boomer women who came up during the 60s and 70s when abortion was the hot thing. 0.99

01:16:20.380 A lot of them, I think, in my experience, they are more left-wing.

01:16:23.880 They're more likely to support Kamala over an issue like that than, say, the millennial women who are kind of getting a little bit more trad or you're seeing a return to religion among certain millennials. 1.00

01:16:34.480 You know, it's become almost a meme, but you do see it in real life.

01:16:38.700 I wonder, though, have these people ever met a woman who had an abortion?

01:16:43.720 I know a number of women who have had abortions. 0.95

01:16:46.500 All of them have been traumatized by it, every single one of them, and some of them are open about that fact, and some of them are just kind of white-knuckling it, and they're in denial, but it's obvious to anyone who has eyes.

01:16:59.820 Like, could you imagine you're a father or a grandfather or something, and you listen to that Kamala ad, and you think, ah, yes, what I really want for my daughter or granddaughter is to have an abortion.

01:17:09.560 Even forget about the baby for a moment.

01:17:13.440 I want my daughter or granddaughter to live with an unspeakable trauma for the rest of her life.

01:17:21.220 And if we're to believe the statistic that I believe it's one in four women in this country have gotten an abortion, possibly multiple, that is incredibly common.

01:17:33.940 And I feel bad sharing this personal anecdote because it makes me look bad, but I recently drove past this pro-abortion rally where all of these older women that you were talking about, these boomers, were holding up pro-abortion signs, and one of them said abortion is health care.

01:17:57.400 And I just threw up a middle finger at this lady, and I should not have done that.

01:18:04.560 It was an expression of passion.

01:18:06.000 I realized, like, immediately afterwards, the reason you shouldn't do that is because a lot of these older women, as you said, are white-knuckling on the issue because it personally has affected them. 0.96

01:18:17.120 Not through someone they know, but themselves, a lot of them have gotten abortions decades past, and maybe multiple, and it deeply affects them.

01:18:28.140 The shame is palpable, and it gets expressed in these displays of exhibitionism and pride and shout your abortion.

01:18:37.280 So it's really sad.

01:18:39.020 It's tragic.

01:18:39.760 And their feelings of shame are being exploited by these political ads.

01:18:45.760 And by the devil.

01:18:46.860 I mean, this is one of the tricks of the devil.

01:18:48.980 It's like a really basic trick, but, you know, the devil whispers in your ear and says, hey, that thing, that sin you want to commit, it's no big deal.

01:18:55.680 It's not a problem.

01:18:56.420 Don't worry.

01:18:56.900 Just do it.

01:18:57.460 And then the minute you do it, the devil says, by the way, that's completely unforgivable.

01:19:00.800 You're toast.

01:19:02.160 You're done.

01:19:02.720 And so the thing is, for a conservative, certainly for Christians, we would say, you can be forgiven.

01:19:10.560 There's really nothing that you can do that you can't be forgiven for.

01:19:14.020 Just ask forgiveness.

01:19:14.820 Just repent.

01:19:16.240 But in order to do that, you have to look yourself in the mirror and admit that you've done a horrible, horrible thing.

01:19:21.620 And I think a lot of people don't want to do that.

01:19:23.300 And then you've got a political movement that's pandering to you and saying, no, it's actually great.

01:19:26.680 It's good.

01:19:27.560 That shame you feel, push it deep, deep down.

01:19:30.540 Uh-uh, baby.

01:19:31.360 Shout your abortion. 1.00

01:19:32.700 Vote.

01:19:33.060 Forget about the economy.

01:19:34.400 Forget about inflation.

01:19:35.660 Forget about your national borders.

01:19:37.860 Forget about all the wars that could start and have started after they booted Trump out.

01:19:42.180 Forget about all that stuff.

01:19:44.540 All that matters is that you not acknowledge that human life is dignified and ought to be protected all along the way, especially innocent human life.

01:19:53.320 So, okay, on that, all those happy notes, Mary Morgan, do you have any predictions, not just for the young women, but do you have predictions for how the night goes?

01:20:02.420 Well, I just saw that that baby hippo, Mudang, was presented with a couple of watermelons.

01:20:11.340 And one of them said Trump and the other said Kamala.

01:20:14.020 And she picked Trump.

01:20:16.600 So she doesn't have a track record. 0.99

01:20:18.560 I think she was born like four months ago.

01:20:21.240 But I think I'm just going to go with that.

01:20:23.320 Last night, I said that I thought Kamala was going to win.

01:20:26.020 I take it back.

01:20:27.040 I was just saying words.

01:20:28.700 I'm cautiously optimistic.

01:20:30.200 I think Trump is going to win.

01:20:33.020 And it's because of something you said.

01:20:34.400 Like, his story can't end like that.

01:20:37.920 It can't end.

01:20:38.460 He's such a mythological person.

01:20:41.120 His story just doesn't, it will not end with a loss.

01:20:45.340 So I'm going to go with that.

01:20:47.160 Yeah, that's good.

01:20:48.040 But I'm really pleased to see the Mudang endorsement.

01:20:50.320 Because, you know, just in the last 24 hours, we got the Rogan endorsement.

01:20:54.700 That was big.

01:20:55.360 We got the Megyn Kelly endorsement.

01:20:57.440 That was a big one.

01:20:58.400 Patrick Mahomes' mom endorsed.

01:21:00.360 That was big.

01:21:01.320 But I think a lot of people were waiting to see if Mudang would make a formal endorsement.

01:21:07.600 And which way, pardon, I'm so excited.

01:21:09.940 My hands are going all over the place.

01:21:11.860 Which way Mudang would go. 0.73

01:21:13.980 And so I'm pleased to see, you know, Mudang is not afraid of being canceled, is not afraid of retribution from the left, is not afraid of the audit that's going to come, you know, if Kamala wins.

01:21:23.560 I'm not sure what country Mudang is in.

01:21:25.540 But it's good news.

01:21:26.560 So Mudang is for Trump.

01:21:27.800 She's obviously the most important.

01:21:29.520 Clearly, without question.

01:21:30.840 Yeah.

01:21:31.580 Mudang, Mary Morgan, and everyone in between.

01:21:34.420 Mary, Morgan, thank you so much.

01:21:35.460 I think I'll be seeing you later.

01:21:36.880 Is that right?

01:21:38.160 Yes, definitely.

01:21:39.520 Actually, I'll probably see you later just in the break room.

01:21:41.080 Because, you know, they're kind of going around here, right?

01:21:43.380 The TimCast is all over.

01:21:44.700 Okay, before I finally hand this over to Ben, I do want to at least speak to the Chemnulachem just a little bit more.

01:21:51.460 Because, as I mentioned earlier, I'm so glad that we're out on X and we're out on YouTube right now.

01:21:57.440 And people are glued to their screens all day, of course.

01:21:59.460 And you're going to be refreshing.

01:22:00.320 That's good.

01:22:00.780 But we've got to take questions only from the Daily Wire Plus members.

01:22:04.400 So if you want to get your questions in there, express your opinions, your passions, your irascible appetites.

01:22:12.060 You need to become a Daily Wire Plus member.

01:22:15.620 Great way to get your Mayflower cigars.

01:22:17.320 Great way to get, you know, all sorts of stuff.

01:22:18.880 The candles.

01:22:21.960 Sniper says, Mary Morgan is dark MAGA and also lovely. 0.96

01:22:25.720 She is dark MAGA in that black box that we've locked her in to do these hits. 0.99

01:22:32.480 Let's see.

01:22:33.980 Vote for Trump in Minnesota.

01:22:35.240 So true.

01:22:35.740 That would be great.

01:22:36.400 One time, I was sitting with Ed Rollins, who was Ronald Reagan's campaign manager in 1984.

01:22:41.980 That was the reelect.

01:22:43.320 And officially, Reagan won 49 states.

01:22:45.660 The only state that he lost was Walter Mondale's home state.

01:22:49.200 Walter Mondale was the opponent of Minnesota.

01:22:51.800 And Ed told me, he said, you know, I actually think we won Minnesota too.

01:22:56.040 But we didn't want to look greedy and sue for it.

01:22:58.280 So we, you know, accepted 49 states.

01:23:01.060 But he thought that Trump won Minnesota and there was just some shenanigans going on.

01:23:04.260 So I don't know.

01:23:04.600 That would be absolutely magnificent if Trump could win Minnesota.

01:23:09.520 I'm not counting on it.

01:23:10.500 But Dr. John, Richard Gere just endorsed Harris.

01:23:13.440 Such great memes.

01:23:14.220 Can you say gerbil?

01:23:14.820 That's not nice.

01:23:15.320 Richard Gere is actually a cousin of mine.

01:23:17.600 This is true.

01:23:18.040 I'm not making this up.

01:23:19.520 Richard Gere is a descendant of Lydia Fuller.

01:23:22.140 Lydia Fuller married Simon Knowles.

01:23:25.760 Oh, no, I'm sorry.

01:23:26.500 He's a descendant of Lydia's mother, who is also Lydia, I think.

01:23:30.700 Something like that.

01:23:31.660 But anyway, he's not a Knowles descendant.

01:23:33.920 But he is a descendant from my Mayflower ancestors, like my Mayflower cigar.

01:23:37.840 And he and I had the same acting teacher when I was a young boy.

01:23:40.340 And he was much younger.

01:23:42.300 How confident are you that Trump will win, says Minns.

01:23:45.700 Not confident.

01:23:47.440 I'm hopeful.

01:23:49.260 I'd put a small amount of money on it.

01:23:51.440 The reason it's so difficult to make election predictions this time is because the Democrats

01:23:57.600 changed all the rules last time.

01:23:59.280 That's the real reason.

01:24:00.540 There are other reasons.

01:24:01.880 You know, it's a tight race.

01:24:02.760 It's a crazy election.

01:24:03.800 Things have happened that haven't happened in the past.

01:24:05.600 Recently, Trump was nearly assassinated.

01:24:08.340 The Democrats swapped out their nominee.

01:24:09.800 They're just, when you don't have a long track record, when there's not a lot of precedent,

01:24:13.760 then it's hard to make predictions based on old models.

01:24:16.320 But also, the Democrats just changed all the rules.

01:24:18.180 So, when you have wider mail-in voting, when you have early voting, when you have all these

01:24:23.000 things, it just, it confounds the models.

01:24:27.060 Comma, comma, comma, comma, comma, chameleon, says Phantom Buick.

01:24:32.600 She comes and goes.

01:24:33.660 She comes and goes.

01:24:34.280 So true.

01:24:35.440 My grandma's super leftist. 1.00

01:24:36.700 Zero out of ten would not recommend, says Napicar.

01:24:39.100 Well, you might recommend your grandmother, but probably not her views.

01:24:45.400 Picardi, four, six, four, five, five.

01:24:47.580 I got pregnant while on birth control and decided to have our child.

01:24:50.120 Best decision we ever made.

01:24:51.900 It was a great decision to not have an abortion or anything like that.

01:24:55.840 That's, you know, all's well that ends well, I suppose.

01:25:00.300 Trump ain't winning the popular vote, says Tyler H.

01:25:02.400 It would be, it seems unlikely that he would win the popular vote, but that'd be great.

01:25:07.020 P calling this one, four, four, eight, four, six.

01:25:09.120 I couldn't sleep well last night.

01:25:10.080 I was so nervous about the election.

01:25:11.440 Yeah, I did not sleep well last night, which is unusual for me, you know, unless the kids

01:25:16.860 wake me up or something.

01:25:17.720 But last night, I slept in the guest room, actually, because I wanted to get a good night's

01:25:21.080 sleep, and I didn't anyway.

01:25:24.160 Let's see.

01:25:26.080 Ken Cheshire, 6938.

01:25:28.500 My son's girlfriend had an abortion 10 years ago.

01:25:31.440 He has moved on, but the loss of that baby still haunts him today.

01:25:33.900 Yeah.

01:25:34.900 Yeah, sorry to hear that.

01:25:36.140 Many, many such cases.

01:25:37.320 I'm a 62-year-old boomer and voted early for Trump, says Unwoke 0906.

01:25:44.280 Let's go.

01:25:45.160 Love to hear that, Unwoke 0906.

01:25:52.540 They want to pull up the ladder for all of these other women by denying them family and 1.00

01:25:57.120 happiness, says CricketMe.

01:25:58.100 That's a good way to put it.

01:25:59.800 You know, the Libs say, you want to pull up the ladder of all this progress and, you know,

01:26:04.280 deny it to all of these women.

01:26:06.100 But no, it's kind of the opposite.

01:26:07.200 What the Libs are doing is denying happiness and flourishing and tradition and all the stuff 0.74

01:26:10.820 that's made women happy for all of history.

01:26:13.100 Based hippo, says Pedreg 89.

01:26:15.080 Yes.

01:26:15.960 Mudang all the way, says Noah Bruce.

01:26:22.760 Animals for Trumps.

01:26:24.380 Animals for Trump.

01:26:25.400 Hippos, squirrels, raccoons, cats, and dogs.

01:26:27.580 Yeah, animals have played a disproportionate role in this presidential election, haven't they?

01:26:32.980 Michael's Italian is coming out of his hands.

01:26:36.800 These are some seriously Italian gesticulations. 0.99

01:26:38.540 I know they are.

01:26:39.940 I'm getting a little excited today.

01:26:43.440 I don't know what else to tell you.

01:26:45.480 What do we got?

01:26:46.140 Before we go, let's just check in on some of the last polls.

01:26:50.480 John Ralston, the story came in later last night.

01:26:53.040 John Ralston is one of the most respected pollsters in Nevada.

01:26:57.160 Nevada, Ralston is predicting a Trump win in Nevada.

01:27:02.280 Or I'm sorry, he's, sorry, fake news.

01:27:04.760 He's predicting that the Democrats will win in Nevada.

01:27:07.860 Kamala Harris and also Jackie Rosen running in the Senate race against Sam Brown.

01:27:11.840 Sam Brown, who's been on the show, did a wonderful interview, which you can get on my YouTube channel.

01:27:15.720 The margins are pretty slim.

01:27:17.360 Harris is saying, or Ralston is saying that Harris will win by 0.3%.

01:27:22.320 So 48.5% to Trump's 48.2.

01:27:27.560 That's pretty tight.

01:27:29.020 Obviously, all these pollsters are trying to give themselves plausible deniability here.

01:27:32.660 They don't want to make bold predictions.

01:27:35.080 He's saying that Jackie Rosen is going to beat Sam Brown by 5%.

01:27:37.620 Now, do you believe this or not?

01:27:39.320 There have been good moves in Nevada recently.

01:27:41.300 However, something to remember is that Harry Reid, the old Senate Majority Leader Democrat, he built a pretty powerful machine out there in Nevada.

01:27:51.660 And so certain states are more corrupt than other states.

01:27:54.540 It's just how it is.

01:27:56.200 And Nevada has a decent amount of corruption.

01:27:59.820 And also, it just has a working political machine, even beyond the illegality.

01:28:04.280 It's just got a working political machine.

01:28:05.920 So that's a fear.

01:28:07.180 It probably wouldn't affect the election all that much.

01:28:09.080 The paths to 270 don't really require Nevada.

01:28:15.640 But I think it also shows you just how the pollsters do not want to go out on a limb here.

01:28:21.560 No matter what happens, the pollsters can say, okay, well, we almost had it.

01:28:24.720 Unless it's a blowout.

01:28:25.860 Unless it legitimately is too big to rig.

01:28:28.660 I mean, to Spencer's point earlier, I think basically no one knows.

01:28:35.240 No one knows.

01:28:36.220 No one wants to risk anything.

01:28:37.800 The risk aversion of the pollsters right now tells you that the pollsters are seeing that the political temperature of the country is very, very high.

01:28:47.040 And so everyone's on tenterhooks.

01:28:49.420 Even people who are cool, calm, and collected, like your boy here, are not sleeping well.

01:28:55.700 And we might not sleep well for a few days, depending on how those results come in.

01:29:00.660 Is everyone else watching Michael speak with Marsha Blackburn?

01:29:02.820 Says Bailey Spillman.

01:29:03.660 I was speaking with Marsha Blackburn about an hour ago.

01:29:06.020 So you're a little bit behind, I think, in the chat.

01:29:08.320 Let's go Trump.

01:29:11.720 If you predict a close race and it's a blowout, that's not a very good hedge, says Patch.

01:29:15.180 That's true.

01:29:15.760 That's a good point.

01:29:16.680 But it's a more forgivable hedge, because at least half the people will be very happy.

01:29:21.340 Spears Jammer, 0542.

01:29:23.520 One of the most ardent supporters of Trump that I know is a Mexican immigrant.

01:29:26.540 He entered illegally as a teenager, but worked hard, spent a lot of hard-earned money to eventually earn his citizenship.

01:29:30.460 Lots of Hispanics around here, WV and Northern Virginia supporting Trump.

01:29:34.300 Well, this is the question.

01:29:36.720 Beyond who is going to win, beyond the down-ballot races, is the political alignment real?

01:29:42.360 We've been told for many cycles now there's a realignment going on, racial realignment, class realignment.

01:29:49.000 Is that happening?

01:29:50.020 We're going to find out.

01:29:50.980 But you know what we're going to find out right now?

01:29:52.320 We're going to find out what my friend Ben Shapiro has to talk about today.

01:29:55.900 Ben, are you there?

01:29:56.980 I am.

01:29:57.700 I am.

01:29:58.340 I am here.

01:29:58.960 The day has come, judgment day.

01:30:02.400 Okay, Michael, I got to ask you, you know, facts don't care about your feelings, but I do.

01:30:07.160 So what are your feelings on this day of days?

01:30:09.720 I'm going to be completely straight with you.

01:30:11.740 I'm not joking or being cute at all.

01:30:15.200 I slept horribly last night.

01:30:17.380 And it's not just because of my kids.

01:30:18.720 I slept in the guest room because I knew we're going to be up for 72 hours.

01:30:22.020 And so I tried to get a good night's sleep.

01:30:24.400 I feel like I slept for 45 minutes.

01:30:26.620 And I am not, you know, I am not a nervous guy.

01:30:31.640 I'm on edge.

01:30:33.180 How about you?

01:30:33.840 No, I'm stressed as well.

01:30:35.420 I will say that about 4.55 this morning I woke up and I was wide awake because I was just thinking, man, how is this day going to go?

01:30:42.440 Well, I will say that I'm feeling cautiously optimistic.

01:30:44.600 I mean, looking at the data, looking at the early voting numbers.

01:30:47.260 Again, that's reading chicken entrails.

01:30:48.940 But Republicans are doing much better than they did in 2020 in the early voting numbers.

01:30:52.640 If it were the reverse, then you'd feel really terrible.

01:30:55.160 So that's one way of looking at these things.

01:30:58.400 Also, I just it's hard to see this drama ending with Kamala Harris as president of the United States.

01:31:03.700 She's a nothing. 0.97

01:31:04.640 She's a big nothing burger and she's a bad nothing burger as well. 1.00

01:31:08.480 So, you know, again, I'm cautiously optimistic.

01:31:11.040 I think that we're going to be here all hours for the next year, just figuring out exactly who won.

01:31:15.900 So not not super enthused about that.

01:31:18.540 But, you know, there's there's a lot to talk about.

01:31:21.720 Everybody needs to get out and vote.

01:31:22.720 That's the big one.

01:31:23.400 Right.

01:31:23.600 Everybody votes.

01:31:24.860 Everybody votes today.

01:31:25.800 This is not the day where you turn.

01:31:27.120 You're in Pennsylvania and just get lazy.

01:31:28.960 And then it turns out that Dave McCormick loses his race by one vote because you decided to stay home or Donald Trump ends up not going back to the White House because, you know, your car broke down.

01:31:37.880 Like, find a way to the polls.

01:31:39.500 Get all your friends to vote as well.

01:31:41.500 It's just too important.

01:31:43.480 Michael, any closing thoughts before we see you later on the set for the rest of our lives?

01:31:47.840 Yes, I've already voted.

01:31:49.700 So what I'm going to go now is I'm going to go drink, Ben, because you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.

01:31:56.520 And that is an excellent point.

01:31:58.140 Well, folks, we here at the Ben Shapiro Show, we're going to jump into all the news in just a moment.

01:32:02.200 First, here is a message from all of us here.

01:32:04.760 We'll see all of you later on tonight.

01:32:06.300 I'm Michael Knowles.

01:32:06.900 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

01:32:19.700 We'll see you later on tonight.

The Michael Knowles Show - November 05, 2024

Ep. 1610 - Joe Rogan Endorses Trump & Election Day 2024!

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