The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 164 - The Real Trump-Kim Summit

00:00:00.000 After months of high-stakes negotiations, the Trump-Kim summit is finally back on.

00:00:07.180 That's right. Kim Kardashian is coming to the White House.

00:00:10.540 She's going to be talking about criminal justice reform.

00:00:13.560 I know that's the Kim summit you've all been waiting for.

00:00:15.820 We will analyze the political and philosophical ramifications of the Kim summit.

00:00:20.640 There's actually a lot to see here and a lot of new directions for the administration.

00:00:24.080 Then Allie Stuckey will stop by to give me advice on love and sex and marriage and children, at least three of those four.

00:00:32.840 We will get to her, and we'll talk about other things as well.

00:00:36.360 And then we will have the mailbag, because I'm going away on my honeymoon for a week, and I want to be able to talk to you.

00:00:41.300 You people, you people whom I love so much, I want to be able to talk to you before I go away.

00:00:45.400 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:54.080 Before we get to the Kim summit, before we get to the Kim Kardashian summit, I guess we still have to talk about Roseanne, right?

00:01:03.620 We still have to talk about it.

00:01:05.120 Roseanne has been trending on Twitter for the last 48 hours, just consecutively.

00:01:11.140 And listen, I get it.

00:01:12.900 You know, she's actually been pretty gracious about all this.

00:01:15.420 She says, don't try to defend my tweet.

00:01:17.880 It's indefensible.

00:01:18.860 It's a bad joke.

00:01:19.720 I'm sorry I said it.

00:01:20.620 You know, whatever, right?

00:01:21.520 But the thing I really don't want us to lose sight of, while everybody is criticizing Roseanne, is that Valerie Jarrett is a terrible person. 0.74

00:01:31.680 I don't want us to fall into this trap.

00:01:33.560 Conservatives fall into this trap where we really don't want Democrats to call us racists.

00:01:38.720 So then we tried it.

00:01:40.140 Now we're, like, defending Valerie Jarrett. 0.89

00:01:42.180 Valerie Jarrett is awful. 1.00

00:01:43.380 Just a quick little rundown.

00:01:44.500 She was the top personal aide to Barack Obama for his entire presidency and, really, before the presidency.

00:01:52.040 She goes back in Chicago a long ways with Barack and Michelle.

00:01:55.020 The Obama White House, these are people who work for Barack Obama, referred to her as the night stalker, she who must not be challenged. 0.81

00:02:02.520 She would follow the Obamas into the private residence at night and keep talking to them.

00:02:06.720 Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama's chief of staff, regularly referred to Valerie Jarrett alternately as Uday and Kusei Hussein.

00:02:17.120 They did not have a high opinion of her.

00:02:19.400 She had a staff of three dozen, and she did everything from decide who goes to state dinners to what gifts should be given to foreign heads of state.

00:02:27.320 She might have been behind the idea of Obama giving Queen Elizabeth an iPod full of his own speeches. 0.97

00:02:34.900 Who knows?

00:02:35.500 But she also was in charge of advising on who should be nominated to the Supreme Court, advising on who should be appointed as certain ambassadors.

00:02:45.680 Really a wide breadth of power.

00:02:48.460 She was considered effectively the chief of staff.

00:02:50.420 That's why she butted heads with all of Obama's chiefs of staff.

00:02:52.720 It was her idea to appoint Van Jones, 9-11 truther Van Jones, to a czar position at the White House.

00:02:59.220 She pushed Solyndra at the White House. 0.99

00:03:01.160 She got Barack Obama to give a speech at Solyndra headquarters.

00:03:06.020 She helped crush American business when she was the White House liaison to the business community. 1.00

00:03:11.080 Obviously, the Obama White House was terrible on business. 0.74

00:03:13.220 She was the main liaison there.

00:03:15.000 Larry Summers, by the way, agreed with that.

00:03:16.780 Another Obama official agreed with that. 0.60

00:03:19.780 When Valerie Jarrett comes from Chicago, she is a crony, corrupt Chicago politician on the order of Barack Obama, but only more so. 1.00

00:03:29.160 So when she was in Chicago, she was the CEO of this crony Democrat Chicago real estate firm called The Habitat Company.

00:03:36.500 When she was CEO of The Habitat Company, Valerie Jarrett built some of the worst public housing slums in the entire country. 1.00

00:03:43.620 Many of those required federal intervention to fix.

00:03:46.700 She was practically a slumlord. 1.00

00:03:48.260 In 2011, Valerie Jarrett disrespected a four-star general because she was in an event with him and she ordered a drink from him.

00:03:55.800 She wanted him to – she thought that he was a waiter or something like that.

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00:06:23.880 Back to Valerie Jarrett. 0.65

00:06:26.560 Back to how terrible she is. 0.92

00:06:28.040 Because now conservatives are defending Valerie Jarrett like a bunch of dum-dums. 0.98

00:06:31.720 So she was practically a slumlord when she was the head of that company, 1.00

00:06:35.500 Habitat company in Chicago.

00:06:37.660 She demanded a full security detail when she was in the White House,

00:06:40.960 even though it wasn't quite clear what her job was,

00:06:43.100 other than just being a powerful person behind the scenes,

00:06:46.300 lasted the entire presidency.

00:06:47.800 She demanded a full security detail.

00:06:49.580 A lot of Obama aides said it was for simple prestige.

00:06:52.180 She was a flatterer. 0.69

00:06:53.220 She's a crony. 1.00

00:06:53.700 She's got longstanding ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,

00:06:56.080 spoken as a keynote at Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organization at national events.

00:07:02.380 So many of her family were anti-American, radical communists,

00:07:06.580 associated with communists.

00:07:08.140 Her family members were under FBI surveillance for that reason.

00:07:12.600 Stop defending Valerie Jarrett.

00:07:15.920 Stop it.

00:07:17.340 A lot of conservatives are saying right now that we have to disavow Roseanne.

00:07:21.320 We have to call her Hitler. 1.00

00:07:22.860 We have to say Roseanne is a neo-Nazi and she's terrible and I hate her and her no-good stinking dog, too. 1.00

00:07:28.440 Otherwise, Democrats will call us racist. 1.00

00:07:31.140 That's what they say.

00:07:31.920 And this is the worst illogic of conservatives.

00:07:34.620 It is such weak sauce.

00:07:36.400 Don't do it.

00:07:37.140 But who cares if a Democrat calls you a racist?

00:07:41.420 You know why I don't care when Democrats call me a racist?

00:07:44.800 Because I'm not a racist.

00:07:46.700 Because I don't despise people because of their race.

00:07:49.760 I don't want to discriminate against people because of their race.

00:07:52.520 So I don't care when Democrats say that.

00:07:54.840 A key to a happy life is not caring what your political opponents say.

00:07:59.100 Who cares what Democrats say about you?

00:08:01.040 They have no moral authority.

00:08:02.820 They have no credibility.

00:08:04.100 I do not care.

00:08:05.240 They can slap me on the back and call me Charlie for all I care.

00:08:07.980 It doesn't matter.

00:08:08.960 I am not a racist.

00:08:10.600 I don't care what Democrats say. 0.60

00:08:12.280 They are morally bankrupt Democrats. 0.90

00:08:14.540 I would much rather be called a racist than a Democrat, by the way. 0.98

00:08:17.300 Because a Democrat is an actual racist, right? 0.84

00:08:20.280 I mean, that is one of the worst epithets you can call somebody is Democrat. 0.96

00:08:24.000 They're morally bankrupt.

00:08:25.380 Their words on this matter have no effect. 0.99

00:08:28.800 Stop sucking up to them. 0.96

00:08:30.040 Stop trying to get your approval. 0.99

00:08:31.720 They're going to call you all manner of evil things, regardless of what you do.

00:08:36.280 Be good.

00:08:36.940 Do the right thing.

00:08:38.040 Don't, you know, discriminate against people because of their race.

00:08:40.620 Don't hate people because of their race.

00:08:42.200 And don't care what Democrats say. 1.00

00:08:44.200 It's very, very foolish. 0.99

00:08:46.040 Okay, let's get into the big news of the day. 0.98

00:08:48.400 Kim is coming to the White House.

00:08:50.000 We thought those, we thought these peace talks had all broken down.

00:08:52.760 But no, the Supreme Leader, Kim Kardashian, is coming to the White House.

00:08:57.760 That cultural dictator, Kim Kardashian, is going to make it to the White House. 0.97

00:09:02.600 I am obviously, you might have thought I was talking about the little fat guy in Korea. 0.97

00:09:07.120 I am absolutely not. 0.92

00:09:08.500 We are talking about another global scourge, Kim Kardashian.

00:09:11.140 She will be coming.

00:09:11.820 For comment right now, we turn to North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un. 1.00

00:09:15.060 Why is everyone so f***ing stupid? 1.00

00:09:19.900 Why aren't more people intelligent, like me? 1.00

00:09:22.620 I'm so lonely, so lonely, so lonely and sadly alone.

00:09:36.360 There's no one, just me only, sitting on my little throne.

00:09:43.740 I work weary hard and make up great plans.

00:09:49.000 But nobody listens, no one understands.

00:09:53.480 Seems right, no one takes me, Siri, Ratsuri.

00:09:59.740 And so, I'm Ronri.

00:10:04.580 A bit of Ronri.

00:10:06.600 Pour it on me.

00:10:15.900 Sad.

00:10:16.840 That's really sad.

00:10:17.700 That's really heartbreaking to see.

00:10:19.380 We're going to get into what this Kim Kardashian talk means.

00:10:22.620 Plus, we'll have some mailbag and talking to Ali Stuckey.

00:10:25.580 Because this Kim Kardashian talk actually really does matter.

00:10:28.500 And we should pay attention because it's not just a little sideshow.

00:10:31.600 It is an important piece of policy that's going on right now.

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00:12:17.420 But, okay, so we're running low on time here, but I'm going to fly through these.

00:12:22.060 Kim Kardashian, what's she going to the White House to talk about?

00:12:24.680 She's going there to meet with Jared Kushner about prison reform, criminal justice reform.

00:12:30.000 This is something, this is one of these issues that lefties are pushing and conservatives who

00:12:34.500 want to seem like cool guys and get approval from the left, they are pretending is important

00:12:38.960 now to criminal justice reform.

00:12:40.640 What it really means is letting criminals out of prison.

00:12:42.540 When you hear criminal justice reform, usually what you're hearing is let's let bad guys

00:12:47.280 out of prison.

00:12:48.060 So anyway, Kim Kardashian wants to go and talk to Kushner about this. 1.00

00:12:51.140 Part of the reason that Kushner really cares about this issue is that Jared Kushner's father

00:12:55.320 went to prison for tax evasion, illegal campaign contributions, witness tampering when Kushner

00:13:01.440 was a younger, younger boy.

00:13:03.880 And so now he wants to get Republicans to back letting criminals out of prison.

00:13:08.220 So Kushner is pushing this bill called the first step act, the first step act.

00:13:14.300 And this is what Kushner said.

00:13:15.380 It illustrates a total misunderstanding of this issue, but we can explain why that is.

00:13:20.280 He says, if we start showing that we can make the prisons more purposeful and more effective

00:13:24.480 at lowering the recidivism rate over time, that may help the people who are trying to make

00:13:29.460 the argument for sentencing reform.

00:13:32.420 So Trump said he would sign this bill.

00:13:33.920 It just passed the house overwhelmingly 360 to 59.

00:13:37.700 This is where Jared Kushner's Democrat card is showing, and I hope Republicans don't fall

00:13:41.560 for this.

00:13:42.420 So it's the first step act, right?

00:13:44.260 And what they do in DC is they make these acts.

00:13:46.700 They had like these very long acronyms.

00:13:48.400 So it's the formerly incarcerated, re-enter society, transformed safely, transitioning every

00:13:53.260 person act.

00:13:56.140 What it does is it gives out good time credits to prison inmates, and it can cut a week per

00:14:02.580 year off of their sentence, but it works retroactively.

00:14:06.360 So there are going to be people who, when this passes, they'll just get out of jail immediately.

00:14:10.220 It's going to be a get-out-of-jail-free card.

00:14:12.140 They also are now proposing a quarter billion dollars in extra spending for educational and

00:14:17.580 rehabilitative programs for these inmates.

00:14:21.000 And Kushner explained the core of this issue, the core of this total misunderstanding by, he

00:14:27.940 said, quote, the single biggest thing we want to do is really define what the purpose of

00:14:31.760 a prison is, is the purpose to punish, is the purpose to warehouse, or is the purpose

00:14:36.220 to rehabilitate?

00:14:39.660 Yeah, well, all of those things, that's the purpose.

00:14:42.380 I know what he wants us to say is that it's just to rehabilitate.

00:14:45.560 That's what he wants.

00:14:46.220 He says it was just to rehabilitate.

00:14:47.660 This gets to a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of prison and of justice.

00:14:52.420 There are three kinds of punishment, retributive punishment, deterrence, and rehabilitation.

00:14:58.560 Those are the three purposes of punishment and of our prison system, to exact retribution

00:15:04.640 for crimes that were committed, to deter, and to rehabilitate.

00:15:07.880 But now we only ever talk about the latter two, and really just the last one.

00:15:11.880 We really only talk about prison as therapy, as though we're sending them to some nice,

00:15:15.700 to Turks and Caicos so they can work out their problems.

00:15:17.960 We're talking about criminals.

00:15:19.080 No, you're punishing them.

00:15:20.280 Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent, as Adam Smith said.

00:15:24.100 Criminal justice.

00:15:25.060 I talk to a lot of people in this field, in the criminal justice field, criminologists.

00:15:29.600 I kid you not, I ask them, what's the purpose of criminal justice?

00:15:33.980 And almost uniformly, they say it's sometimes deterrent and to rehabilitate.

00:15:38.900 They don't talk about the retributive aspects.

00:15:41.100 Then I say, okay, well, that's criminal justice, huh?

00:15:43.380 That's your explanation.

00:15:44.500 So where does the justice come in?

00:15:47.060 Does justice have anything to do with criminal justice?

00:15:49.280 They say, oh, I kid you not, I've talked to people who have PhDs in this.

00:15:52.340 They say, huh, I've never thought about that before.

00:15:54.980 I've never thought that criminal justice maybe should have anything to do with justice.

00:15:58.860 And we're totally missing this.

00:16:00.260 We're missing this now because our ability to discuss questions about virtue and morality

00:16:05.900 and the moral order and the metaphysical world is so, so weakened.

00:16:10.400 It's become so degraded and it's decayed so much that we don't even know that that's a possibility.

00:16:17.740 There's another large push now on so-called criminal justice reform to treat 21-year-old criminals as though they are children.

00:16:24.720 They want them to be tried in juvenile courts.

00:16:28.180 21-year-old commits some heinous crime.

00:16:30.220 Oh, he's just a kid.

00:16:31.560 He's just a kid, isn't he?

00:16:32.660 I mean, now we have 30-year-olds living with their parents and refusing to be evicted.

00:16:36.720 So I suppose maybe that's the, maybe it should be 30-year-olds next.

00:16:39.660 They all say, oh, my brain made me do it.

00:16:41.340 This is why we don't punish people anymore is because we're trying to defer moral responsibility.

00:16:47.200 We say, I'm not responsible for my actions.

00:16:49.300 It was society.

00:16:50.420 It was my circumstances.

00:16:52.800 It was poverty.

00:16:53.800 It was a lack of education.

00:16:55.240 Or finally, which is what we've gotten to, my brain made me do it.

00:16:58.960 I just couldn't control myself.

00:17:00.880 Just my brain, the random physical material synapses in my brain just made me commit the crime.

00:17:06.380 So you can't punish me because that's true.

00:17:08.400 If materialism is true, then you certainly shouldn't punish anybody for a crime.

00:17:12.300 They have no moral culpability. 0.92

00:17:14.340 They could walk up and slit your throat. 0.97

00:17:15.940 It's not, how dare you punish them? 0.99

00:17:17.580 They didn't do it.

00:17:18.320 Their brain made them do it. 1.00

00:17:19.460 So this is the morally idiotic and practically idiotic aspect of so-called criminal justice reform. 1.00

00:17:25.440 Immorally, it doesn't make any sense. 1.00

00:17:26.820 It's totally incoherent.

00:17:28.520 You know, now we're referring, we don't call people juvenile delinquents anymore.

00:17:32.400 The new term is justice-involved youth.

00:17:34.920 That's the Obama-era term,

00:17:36.340 which is ironic because they're explicitly injustice-involved youth.

00:17:39.760 But listen, if we quibbled about every word, we'd be here for my entire honeymoon.

00:17:45.500 It doesn't make sense. 1.00

00:17:46.580 It's morally idiotic. 1.00

00:17:47.360 It's also practically idiotic. 1.00

00:17:49.000 People say, we have too many people in prison in America. 1.00

00:17:51.500 Do we?

00:17:52.260 I don't know.

00:17:52.620 Is our crime rate zero?

00:17:54.340 Then I think we have too few people in prison in America, don't we?

00:17:57.400 There was that famous headline in the New York Times.

00:18:00.000 Fox Butterfield wrote it.

00:18:01.060 It was something to the effect of, the crime rate continues to fall despite prison's filling.

00:18:08.180 Hold on.

00:18:08.780 So you're locking up all of the criminals and the crime rate is falling.

00:18:12.340 Yeah, that's probably despite.

00:18:14.100 That's probably the word I would use to describe it.

00:18:16.840 Dummies at the New York Times.

00:18:18.380 So anyway, Tom Cotton opposes this.

00:18:21.120 Tom Cotton has basically exactly the view that I have.

00:18:23.900 We don't have an overpopulation problem in prison.

00:18:26.000 We have an underpopulation problem in prison.

00:18:28.600 We need to lock up more criminals and we need to stop pretending that people don't have any moral culpability whatsoever.

00:18:34.440 It is a recipe for social disaster.

00:18:37.140 Let's get to the mailbag in the remaining few minutes.

00:18:39.860 I don't know.

00:18:40.160 I'm going to have to ask the control room how many more minutes I have to get through these mailbag questions.

00:18:44.700 I'll try to fly through them.

00:18:46.740 The first question is from Evan.

00:18:49.440 Dear soon to be shackled Michael Knowles, will the Daily Wire be live streaming the blessed day?

00:18:54.080 Evan.

00:18:54.300 You know, we were going to live stream the blessed night, but I got such a negative reaction to my Valentine's Day promotion video with the short little smoking jacket and my dainty little legs that I didn't want to subject myself to that sort of insulting criticism again.

00:19:11.020 So no, we won't be live streaming the day or the night.

00:19:13.540 So there.

00:19:14.300 So there, Evan from Spencer.

00:19:16.660 Oh, Maximus Rex Cofefe Nolzum.

00:19:19.440 What do you think makes Dante's Divine Comedy stand out among the other classics of the Western canon as a work of singular genius?

00:19:26.600 What would you say are its most fundamental themes and what are the most important lessons we take away from reading Dante?

00:19:31.980 Since you've quoted Dante in both Italian and English, I figured you must have carefully studied the comedy at some point.

00:19:37.060 I look forward to hearing your insights on the poem.

00:19:38.580 So my basic insights are that it is so shockingly beautiful and it is so unified that this is what strikes me most.

00:19:46.420 You don't really catch this in the English, but he employs a scheme called terzo rima.

00:19:50.420 These rhymes of three that just very quickly, the beginning of the poem, it sounds, just listen to the sounds if you don't speak Italian, just hear.

00:19:58.580 Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita, mi ritrovai per una selva oscura, che la dritta vi era smarita, hai quanto a dir quale era e cosa dura, esta selva selvaggia aspre forte, che nel pensia rinnova la paura.

00:20:11.260 You can hear those rhymes in those sets of three.

00:20:14.640 So it's very beautiful and that goes on for a hundred conti and also it's all unified.

00:20:20.800 So instead of giving you my thoughts on this, I asked a close friend of mine, Catherine Illingworth, who is a Dante scholar and coincidentally was a TA of mine in college.

00:20:29.200 And I asked her for her thoughts because she's a real expert on this and she said exactly what I think in much better words.

00:20:37.800 There are three aspects here.

00:20:40.120 So universality, what makes it stand out?

00:20:43.600 The universality of it.

00:20:44.700 You go from the depths of evil to the heights of holiness and it touches on all things, seen and unseen, of the human condition.

00:20:51.600 It masters all previous art and literature.

00:20:54.360 Dante is led by Virgil.

00:20:55.940 Dante has drunk up and read and consumed all of the art and culture and literature of his time and then he creates something original out of it because he's totally absorbed it and turns it into something new and because it's so beautiful.

00:21:07.080 The most fundamental themes are that human love is rooted in God.

00:21:11.940 All of it, all of human love, the erotic love, fraternal love, love of your friends, love of the divine love, all of that love from whatever you were doing on Saturday night to whatever you were doing Sunday afternoon, all of that is rooted in God.

00:21:26.940 You see Beatrice, a girl that wasn't Dante's wife, leads him to salvation because he's following her through to salvation, to God.

00:21:36.820 There's the unity of the private and the public.

00:21:38.640 So the idea here is that the world will be orderly when people are virtuous.

00:21:44.840 It won't just become peaceful and orderly if you have vicious people or bad people.

00:21:48.500 There's a unity here of what you do in your private life and what you do in your public life.

00:21:52.560 Sometimes in politics and other works, we try to divorce those things.

00:21:56.280 You can't.

00:21:56.900 There is a unity.

00:21:57.840 There is a Catholicism, right?

00:21:59.600 There's a universality here.

00:22:01.280 And there's the relationship between love and knowledge here.

00:22:03.720 So for Dante, one leads to the other, and together they both lead to salvation, to a total transformation, not following a set of rules to being utterly transformed by divine love.

00:22:15.440 And some lessons from Dante.

00:22:17.020 Read a lot.

00:22:18.140 You have to read a lot of books just like Dante did so that you can absorb all of that, and it can really save your civilization and save your soul.

00:22:25.420 Another lesson is that grace is real.

00:22:27.440 This is an utterly graceful poem, and you should accept grace because it's the only goodness.

00:22:32.680 It doesn't matter how lost you are when you begin that journey, what age you begin that journey at.

00:22:38.400 There's this utter grace.

00:22:40.120 You see people in paradise who weren't always such great people.

00:22:43.600 St. John Vianney said, not all the saints started well, but they all ended well, as you see that.

00:22:48.760 And that love is always good.

00:22:51.000 That's a third lesson.

00:22:52.260 Love is always good, but you shouldn't just settle for a little piece of it, just a little fragment of love.

00:22:58.540 You should follow it to its logical conclusion.

00:23:00.980 Beatrice, Dante finds this girl when he's a little kid.

00:23:04.160 He falls in love with her, marries another woman.

00:23:06.380 You know, she died.

00:23:07.180 He's totally in love with Beatrice.

00:23:09.540 And he follows Beatrice, not to just devour Beatrice, to make an idol of his love for Beatrice,

00:23:14.880 but to follow that love and allow that love to be ennobling and lift him toward the very heights of heaven,

00:23:19.900 to the love that moves the sun and the other stars.

00:23:22.160 We could talk about Dante forever and ever, especially when I'm hearing all these good thoughts from Catherine Illingworth.

00:23:27.520 Before we get to the next question, I've got to talk about another cool story.

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00:24:00.420 I really like this because I don't like things that take themselves too seriously.

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00:24:56.140 I never would do that.

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00:25:19.280 So check it out.

00:25:20.080 Okay, I've got only four minutes before we can get to my conversation with Allie.

00:25:27.920 She gives me pretty mind-blowing advice on marriage, whether or not I should run away right now.

00:25:32.320 I haven't gotten married yet.

00:25:33.260 I could still leave a Michael-shaped hole in the wall somewhere, but let's try to get one or two more questions in.

00:25:37.820 From William,

00:25:40.900 Dear His Holiness the Michael,

00:25:42.660 a trend among liberal hit job interviews is to barrage conservative interviewees with a host of questions

00:25:47.400 that are designed to misrepresent the views of the person being interviewed

00:25:51.580 and put the onus on them to debunk an argument that they never make.

00:25:55.500 He cites the example of Jordan Peterson who does.

00:25:57.620 Jordan Peterson answers that British interviewer perfectly, reasonably,

00:26:01.120 and then she twists it and tries to make him look like a monster. 0.90

00:26:04.720 Monster, rather.

00:26:05.460 Is it interviewing etiquette for the person who's being interviewed not to call the interviewer out for nefarious tactics?

00:26:10.960 Or would it be smarter to hold interviewers to their own standards

00:26:13.520 before allowing the conversation just to skip to the next point

00:26:16.280 without forcing the interviewer to concede both the tactic and the point?

00:26:21.220 I really, really like that.

00:26:22.560 Love the show.

00:26:23.120 Keep it.

00:26:23.640 Covfefe.

00:26:24.540 William.

00:26:25.400 Okay.

00:26:26.640 Yes.

00:26:27.240 So what they do, what the left does and the mainstream media do,

00:26:30.060 when they're interviewing you,

00:26:31.760 they basically ask conservatives,

00:26:33.740 do you still beat your wife?

00:26:35.740 That is the question they ask you.

00:26:37.080 Do you still beat your wife?

00:26:38.400 Then any answer you give, it's not going to look very good for you.

00:26:41.720 They always do this.

00:26:42.780 So the way to do this now is to be a bulldog with these people.

00:26:46.760 I mean, be an absolute, call them out on everything.

00:26:48.840 Be very clear.

00:26:50.160 I've had many reporters call from Fox or the New York Times or whatever.

00:26:54.300 And I'm not, I'm cordial to them, but I'm not nice.

00:26:58.180 And I don't, you know, I'm pretty open with my feelings about what they do,

00:27:01.780 what kind of broadly speaking, what hit jobs they do.

00:27:05.500 Another way for conservatives to do this is not to agree to pre-taped interviews

00:27:09.640 because they always mess those up.

00:27:11.640 They always mix them up and make us look like racist, mean-spirited, evil people.

00:27:16.340 So don't agree to that broadly.

00:27:17.620 If you're going to agree to one, make sure there's a live component to it

00:27:21.120 or make sure that you're filming them filming you.

00:27:23.280 That's a real key because otherwise they're going to make you look awful.

00:27:27.060 From Tim.

00:27:28.400 Dear Rachel Maddow's estranged brother, does Ben pay you in shekels or cold?

00:27:33.380 Tim.

00:27:34.000 Well, Ben doesn't pay me at all, of course.

00:27:35.800 I mean, hasn't paid me in a long time.

00:27:37.000 He did give me a lump of coal for Christmas,

00:27:39.600 but I like to think of that more as a future diamond.

00:27:42.300 I think that that's really, you know, Ben wanted to get me like a nice big diamond ring

00:27:45.900 or something, and, you know, I will say he just sent me a wedding present

00:27:48.800 and he got me a blender.

00:27:50.320 This is a true story.

00:27:51.240 He really did get me a blender, and I don't know why.

00:27:53.300 I don't know why when Ben thinks of me and my future,

00:27:55.720 he just thinks of very sharp blades spinning around very fast,

00:28:00.120 turning formerly solid entities into mush.

00:28:03.080 I don't know, but it's very nice.

00:28:04.240 You know, I like the blender very much.

00:28:06.240 From Kyle.

00:28:07.240 Dear patron saint of smug Catholics everywhere, 1.00

00:28:10.100 I've been hearing a lot recently about how the American Constitution

00:28:12.600 has a somewhat Protestant foundation to it,

00:28:15.080 but I'm not exactly sure what this means.

00:28:17.000 Could you discuss it further?

00:28:18.740 Thanks.

00:28:19.280 P.S. Any tips on getting started with cigars would be appreciated.

00:28:22.300 Yes, you should light them.

00:28:23.440 That would be the first step to getting started with cigars.

00:28:26.320 Cutting them is good, too, but lighting is probably the most important one.

00:28:30.420 As to the question about the Protestant foundations of America and the Constitution,

00:28:34.740 there's a little truth to that.

00:28:36.260 Good old Papa Knowles who came over on the Mayflower,

00:28:38.480 Grandpappy Samuel Fuller and the others,

00:28:40.840 were Protestant religious zealots.

00:28:42.680 I mean, they would be shocked and horrified by the flagrant potpourri of their progeny.

00:28:47.660 So there is an aspect of this, and it manifests in a few ways.

00:28:51.700 That rugged individualism, that distaste for many institutions,

00:28:55.920 I will concede that has some Protestant foundations.

00:28:59.080 I will point out, though, that America, the Americas, have a Catholic foundation.

00:29:05.560 They don't have a Protestant foundation.

00:29:07.340 It was Christopher Columbus, a devout, wonderful, serious, devout, charitable, wonderful, brilliant,

00:29:15.480 fabulous, terrific Catholic man, Christopher Columbus.

00:29:18.740 That's a Catholic foundation.

00:29:20.180 So the Americas broadly have that.

00:29:21.800 I think it's totally ridiculous to say that Catholics don't have the pioneer spirit

00:29:26.000 or want to go and spread the word of God and glory and freedom to every end of the earth.

00:29:31.900 That isn't true.

00:29:32.720 So, yes, you can concede that there's a largely Protestant foundation in the United States.

00:29:37.240 But, you know, this, the Americas baby, that was the first one. 0.98

00:29:40.580 That was the original 1492.

00:29:42.640 Not a Protestant thing about it.

00:29:44.720 Okay, it's too bad because we've got some great questions to delve into.

00:29:49.640 But, sadly, we just can't get to them today.

00:29:53.440 I'll try to answer them.

00:29:54.580 I will point out, just before we go, one person who wrote in said,

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00:30:43.140 But what you can do is try not to drown in the leftist tears.

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00:30:51.780 We'll be right back with my interview with Allie Stuckey.

00:31:06.160 So you know Allie Stuckey.

00:31:07.520 Allie's been with us since the beginning.

00:31:09.240 Allie stopped by L.A. on her way.

00:31:11.400 I don't know.

00:31:11.700 She's such a jet setter. 1.00

00:31:12.920 She stopped by right before I flew out, too.

00:31:14.640 So we talked about the really important things because after this, folks, the next time you see me, I'm going to be about 50 pounds heavier, probably sweatier, unshaven, you know, pushing a lawnmower in the suburbs somewhere, 10 kids around me.

00:31:27.600 I'm getting married, okay?

00:31:29.080 That's what I'm saying.

00:31:30.040 I got a little advice from Allie Stuckey on that and many other topics.

00:31:34.480 Here is my interview with Allie Stuckey.

00:31:36.620 Allie, it's good to see you.

00:31:37.860 Michael, it's great to see you.

00:31:39.400 So, listen, we're on a time constraint here.

00:31:41.800 Yes, we are.

00:31:42.420 Allie has a flight in about 17 hours, so you have to leave for LAX right now.

00:31:49.640 LA scares me.

00:31:51.180 The traffic is horrific.

00:31:53.980 I just, I'm worried and I don't know LAX and so I just have to make sure that I get there on time.

00:31:59.820 You know, I do this.

00:32:01.020 This is a, I know you're in town to do a Prager video.

00:32:05.000 Part of it talks about sexual differences between men and women.

00:32:08.580 Yes.

00:32:10.080 This is a sexual difference between men and women. 0.60

00:32:12.100 The airport arrival time.

00:32:13.540 Yeah, I go, I was going back to New York for Christmas.

00:32:17.600 This was Christmas week.

00:32:19.040 I showed up 35 minutes before departure.

00:32:21.960 Not before boarding or just before departure.

00:32:25.860 I made it.

00:32:26.380 It was fine.

00:32:26.960 Oh.

00:32:27.400 Plus, you know, you got that pre-check.

00:32:28.960 The pre-check is the greatest invention in the history of the world.

00:32:31.080 I do have the pre-check. 0.96

00:32:31.400 But you just never know and I feel like people in California are just kind of crazy. 0.82

00:32:34.800 They're just unpredictable.

00:32:35.800 It's very unpredictable.

00:32:37.160 It is also, they're the worst drivers in the country.

00:32:39.800 Yes, that's the problem.

00:32:40.960 Sweet little Elisa does this too, though. 0.69

00:32:42.600 We'll be flying, you know, domestically and she'll say, you know, Mac, we need to leave

00:32:47.840 four and a half hours before we get there.

00:32:50.240 That's such a horrible impression.

00:32:51.760 I'm sure that your fiance doesn't sound like that.

00:32:53.940 Wait, you mean it's horrible like it isn't accurate? 0.98

00:32:55.580 No, I don't know how she sounds, but I hope she doesn't sound like an 85-year-old hag. 1.00

00:32:58.960 How dare you call my fiance an 85-year-old hag? 0.99

00:33:02.420 That's not from me. 0.98

00:33:03.800 I'm just saying.

00:33:04.880 You might want to nail the impersonation before you leave for the honeymoon.

00:33:07.940 Sweet little Elisa got very upset because I did this podcast with Drew, Another Kingdom,

00:33:12.620 where I played all the characters in Drew's New Book.

00:33:14.640 Oh, yes, I know.

00:33:15.160 I listened to it.

00:33:15.700 Did you?

00:33:16.020 Oh, you're too good.

00:33:16.900 It's great.

00:33:17.780 So I told sweet little Elisa, I said, your voice, and by your voice, I mean the voice

00:33:22.700 that I have created for you, it plays a role in one of the characters.

00:33:26.100 She goes, oh, is it that pretty character, Jane? 0.95

00:33:28.820 I said, no, it's a rat woman. 1.00

00:33:30.480 It's a mutant rat. 0.98

00:33:32.220 Mac!

00:33:32.900 Oh, my gosh.

00:33:33.960 You're not writing your own vows, are you?

00:33:36.360 Because I'm a little worried.

00:33:38.160 We're going to get up there and then I'm just going to do the vows for her.

00:33:41.200 I do.

00:33:42.000 Probably.

00:33:42.780 Oh, my gosh.

00:33:43.200 Yeah, I know.

00:33:43.600 She's a saint.

00:33:44.240 Poor little Elisa. 1.00

00:33:45.000 She really is.

00:33:46.000 She has a long life of suffering ahead of her, but it'll be nice for me.

00:33:49.380 Well, she knows what she's getting herself into. 0.87

00:33:51.500 That's right.

00:33:51.960 Now, on the topic of marriage, you're a big marriage proponent.

00:33:54.860 You've been married yourself.

00:33:56.260 I'm a big marriage proponent.

00:33:56.880 What if I said I wasn't?

00:33:57.960 That would be really troubling.

00:33:59.120 I would be.

00:33:59.420 Yeah, well, I'm trying to get advice from all corners here before I make this major life

00:34:03.020 decision.

00:34:03.480 Well, you've already made the decision, my friend, so you should stick to it.

00:34:07.040 No, marriage is awesome.

00:34:08.080 It's the best thing that I've ever done.

00:34:09.860 Best, second best decision I've ever made after following Christ.

00:34:13.680 And I love it.

00:34:14.860 I mean, it really is.

00:34:15.820 I know it's so cliche.

00:34:17.940 Everyone's like, oh, you get to marry your best friend.

00:34:20.220 But it's really true.

00:34:21.200 I mean, what could be better than going home and being like, I get to hang out with the

00:34:25.540 person that I always want to be with all the time, the only person that I really want

00:34:28.820 to talk to, the only person that I really want to spend time with and watch Netflix

00:34:32.100 with them.

00:34:32.920 Really, what is better than that?

00:34:34.320 I love all of that.

00:34:35.260 And I agree entirely with that sentiment.

00:34:36.820 But I do have to ask, because I hear this, and I only hear this from girls, the marry 1.00

00:34:41.800 your best friend thing.

00:34:43.800 Yeah.

00:34:44.040 Is that...

00:34:44.740 Come on.

00:34:46.040 You don't think so?

00:34:47.020 I mean, he is my best friend.

00:34:49.140 Now, I love my other friends, but he is my best friend.

00:34:52.220 He's the person that I want to spend time with all the time.

00:34:54.080 But when I...

00:34:54.800 Don't you think there's a categorical difference?

00:34:56.520 Like, when I think of my best friend, I think of, you know, going out and smoking cigars

00:35:00.940 and, you know, carousing and, I don't know, doing whatever guys do, you know?

00:35:05.460 I think of...

00:35:06.100 I guess maybe it is a girl thing.

00:35:07.380 I think of my best friend as someone who I can be my most genuine self with all of the

00:35:12.220 time, and there are just no barriers.

00:35:13.940 That's how I feel about a best friend.

00:35:15.600 But, you know, you have a different mentality about that.

00:35:18.360 And it is true. 0.71

00:35:19.060 I mean, practically speaking, your wife will be your best friend.

00:35:22.700 Yeah.

00:35:23.140 You hang out with that person all the time.

00:35:25.480 You know each other backwards and forwards.

00:35:27.600 You know, yeah, that's true.

00:35:28.640 I can't get...

00:35:29.200 You know, when I just think of that, though, it's like...

00:35:30.920 No, you'll figure it out.

00:35:31.900 I feel very emasculated when I...

00:35:33.740 Oh, my gosh.

00:35:34.540 No, you'll love it.

00:35:35.300 Marriage is awesome.

00:35:36.180 Now, did you see...

00:35:37.240 There's a new comment out by an AI computer scientist, the guy who invented that robot

00:35:43.600 that looks a lot like a woman, you know, and it's like really uncanny and scary.

00:35:48.560 He says that we will be...

00:35:50.520 His name is Victor David.

00:35:52.000 No, David Victor.

00:35:53.300 I confuse him with Victor Davis Hanson.

00:35:54.880 Anyway, whatever his name is, Dr. So-and-so.

00:35:57.480 He says that we will be marrying robots by 2045.

00:36:01.540 I think that's sad.

00:36:02.640 Is...

00:36:03.140 And I wonder, one, if that's going to happen. 0.99

00:36:05.620 I mean, we're already having sex with robots. 0.75

00:36:07.260 That already exists in 2018. 0.66

00:36:09.680 I'm using we loosely, by the way.

00:36:11.140 I'm not trying to...

00:36:12.000 We're going to edit that out in post.

00:36:14.600 But that already exists.

00:36:17.080 Do you see the culture moving in that direction?

00:36:19.960 I'm only half kidding.

00:36:21.400 Do you think there will be a time when we're marrying artificial intelligence robots?

00:36:25.820 I think probably so.

00:36:29.280 I mean, we've already devalued and cheapened marriage so much to the point to where it's

00:36:33.100 just this kind of...

00:36:35.100 This transaction where you do it for a little bit if it works out.

00:36:38.300 Or it's more like a contract that we sign it.

00:36:40.340 If you want to break it, you can get out of it.

00:36:42.160 That kind of thing.

00:36:42.660 We've already devalued it and cheapened it so much that I have a hard time believing

00:36:47.200 that humans have some kind of moral limit that we won't get to the point of objectifying

00:36:53.920 or cheapening marriage that much to where we're marrying artificial intelligence. 0.96

00:36:58.020 I would love to think that we do.

00:36:59.580 I would love to think that deep in the human heart, something's just going to wake up and

00:37:02.700 say, no, that's not a real person.

00:37:04.880 But I will tell you that if the robots are anything like they are in Westworld, it will

00:37:09.480 be very, very difficult to actually distinguish.

00:37:12.080 That's true.

00:37:13.000 Because, okay, this is another gender difference. 0.62

00:37:15.760 Have you watched Westworld?

00:37:16.860 I...

00:37:17.260 No.

00:37:17.740 My only experience of Westworld is the star of Westworld, the blonde girl. 0.99

00:37:22.040 Dolores.

00:37:22.620 Evan Rachel Wood.

00:37:23.340 Evan Rachel Wood started a Twitter fight with me. 1.00

00:37:25.780 She was angry about something I said.

00:37:27.220 Yeah.

00:37:27.540 What?

00:37:27.860 And so I didn't know who she was.

00:37:29.020 I said, oh, pretty little actress.

00:37:30.480 Okay, I'll respond.

00:37:31.440 She was being very mean and I was being very respectful.

00:37:34.020 And then at the end, she said something else mean and then she blocked me.

00:37:38.880 That's my...

00:37:39.300 That's weird.

00:37:39.900 I'm kind of soured on Westworld right now.

00:37:41.720 Wow, those robots are mean.

00:37:43.040 I know.

00:37:43.580 I'll blame it on the AI.

00:37:44.900 Yeah.

00:37:45.160 Okay, so here's a gender difference. 0.97

00:37:46.720 It's interesting with Westworld and I'll try to tie it back into what we were actually

00:37:50.020 talking about.

00:37:50.620 So season one, you know that all the artificial intelligence that they're robots, all the

00:37:55.520 guys in my life, all the people that I know that watch Westworld, we all love season

00:37:58.960 one together.

00:37:59.640 Season two, I still like season two.

00:38:01.800 The girlfriends that I have like season two.

00:38:04.220 No guy that I know that watched season one likes season two.

00:38:07.160 And I think the reason is because they start to blur the lines between the robots and the

00:38:11.620 humans to where you don't know anymore if who's a robot and who's not.

00:38:15.220 I don't mind that because to me, I have a soft spot for the robots.

00:38:18.920 I'm like, they feel things too.

00:38:20.600 But all the guys in my life, they're like, what the heck?

00:38:22.980 They're robots. 0.99

00:38:23.460 I don't really care if they get murdered. 1.00

00:38:24.720 I don't care if they get killed. 0.89

00:38:25.700 So I just think that's interesting.

00:38:28.260 And I wonder if that mentality will be true to when, if that'll be true when artificial

00:38:33.840 intelligence starts infiltrating our lives, if there will be a different perception between

00:38:38.200 men and women of robots.

00:38:39.900 That, yeah, I wonder about that because women are just nicer and more pleasant and more nurturing 1.00

00:38:44.140 generally.

00:38:45.160 And men, yeah, they're a little colder, you know, they're not as nurturing toward babies

00:38:48.740 or animals.

00:38:49.520 They're not very sentimental.

00:38:50.760 So you don't really sentimentalize a robot or something like that.

00:38:54.400 Yeah, I mean, we've already got so much of them in our, in our homes, you know, the government

00:38:59.640 spying on us through Alexa and all of that.

00:39:01.500 I, I'm so abusive to Alexa.

00:39:03.780 I am like, if Alexa has rights in the, in 2045, I'm getting booked and going to jail.

00:39:09.200 It's really vicious.

00:39:09.860 Oh my gosh, that's a scary thought.

00:39:11.680 Before I let you go, I want to talk about work.

00:39:15.060 Okay.

00:39:15.540 I want to talk, you know, there's marriage and there's work.

00:39:18.360 Yes.

00:39:18.520 That's how you say, marriage is work, they say.

00:39:21.600 The, there is a new study out that the number one cause of long-term poverty in America

00:39:28.800 is not working.

00:39:31.020 I know this is shocking.

00:39:32.580 I know.

00:39:33.600 I didn't want to do that to you just before you're about to get on a flight.

00:39:37.440 What?

00:39:37.920 Yeah.

00:39:38.340 That is the number one cause.

00:39:39.580 So the statistics that are being cited here, 82% of people on food stamps are able-bodied

00:39:45.220 adults.

00:39:47.320 38, I think it's 32% of them, 32 or 38 are working at all.

00:39:53.400 Not full-time, just part-time, a couple hours here and there at all.

00:39:57.420 The vast majority of them are not working one little bit.

00:40:00.480 But how do we resolve this problem?

00:40:04.260 How do we, how do we, you know, because we have this very sentimental view of it.

00:40:08.980 We say, oh, these poor people, we need to spend more money from the government, more food stamps,

00:40:13.120 more whatever.

00:40:13.660 They're just not working.

00:40:14.900 But why, why would they work when they probably make more money off of the government?

00:40:19.200 They'd probably lose some money by getting a job.

00:40:21.380 When I spoke at UC Berkeley, we had someone that drove four hours to come hear our little

00:40:27.280 panel and he was telling me his story afterwards, how he used to be homeless and now he has

00:40:31.780 a job and he has a lot of friends who are still homeless, who don't understand why he

00:40:36.240 transitioned from homelessness to having a job, just because it's so much harder having

00:40:40.340 a job.

00:40:40.600 And he's like, it is.

00:40:41.420 I make less money than I did when I was homeless.

00:40:43.740 Oh my gosh.

00:40:44.620 Isn't that crazy?

00:40:45.440 And so I, I think it's abuse of the welfare system.

00:40:49.140 It really is more lucrative to not have a job these days than to, than to have one.

00:40:54.920 Sometimes it depends on what kind of job you can get, I guess.

00:40:57.280 I remember John Stossel did one of these, you know, sting things and he went out and

00:41:02.360 dressed up like a bum and begged for money. 0.65

00:41:04.740 And then he annualized his income and tried to figure out how much he could make.

00:41:08.440 And it was something like 90 grand a year tax free or something.

00:41:12.020 It's pretty good.

00:41:12.540 It's so insane.

00:41:14.020 So that's why I think like when Ben Carson has said this and he's gotten, you know,

00:41:18.140 he's gotten so much flack for it that a lot of times poverty is a mentality, not in

00:41:22.220 all cases, certainly not in all cases, but a lot of times it is.

00:41:25.260 And I honestly don't know how you shake someone out of that.

00:41:28.880 It's almost like Stockholm syndrome.

00:41:30.400 Long-term poverty.

00:41:31.180 It certainly is a mentality.

00:41:32.420 I mean, people, you know, in, in economies, people fall on hard times for a period of time,

00:41:37.800 but long-term poverty certainly is a, is a choice.

00:41:40.920 Right.

00:41:41.140 You know, um, do you saw the story about the millennial, the 30 year old kid, the 30,

00:41:47.180 there's a 30 year old kid.

00:41:48.800 He has a kid.

00:41:49.700 You know, he's a dad.

00:41:50.460 Oh, and he's a daddy is a 30 year old kid.

00:41:52.660 He has his own son is, is living in his parents' house.

00:41:55.760 They beg him to leave or get a job or do anything.

00:41:59.060 Five times they ask him, send him notices.

00:42:01.560 They finally have to take him to court to do it.

00:42:04.240 Is this a millennial thing?

00:42:05.480 You know, the millennials are the, I mean, millennials, part of your Christian name, I believe.

00:42:09.260 Conservative millennial.

00:42:10.660 The, it's a much maligned group.

00:42:13.380 The millennials get a lot of flack these days.

00:42:15.080 Is it all deserved?

00:42:16.780 Um, in this case, absolutely.

00:42:18.580 But I don't know if it's the fact that he is a millennial and he's like really kind of on the edge of millennials.

00:42:24.300 Anyway, I think that you have deadbeats in every generation.

00:42:27.320 This guy is just a deadbeat guy.

00:42:29.120 I do think it's probably a trend in millennials.

00:42:31.160 We're certainly more entitled.

00:42:32.820 We don't know the value of a dollar as much as our parents did just because a lot of us didn't have to.

00:42:37.960 Um, but I think it's something like a third of millennials still live at home,

00:42:42.160 which again is not always a bad thing.

00:42:44.120 I have friends who are now very successful who had to live at home right after college.

00:42:48.240 But it's this perpetual adolescence and this prolonged immaturity that we see among millennials that scares me.

00:42:56.080 Those are the people that are voting for Bernie Sanders.

00:42:58.260 That's true.

00:42:58.880 I will say it is a little rich of me.

00:43:01.000 I'm about to go on a three day long bachelor party to be talking about irresponsibility and carousing and things.

00:43:05.600 But, uh, yeah, that, that, that does seem to be certainly the case.

00:43:10.720 I want to ask you before I let you go, because you're an expert on millennials.

00:43:15.680 You're an expert on marriage now having done it.

00:43:19.040 And you, you're also an expert on Christianity.

00:43:22.500 Now, listen, I don't know if I'm an expert, but you talk about it a lot.

00:43:27.100 I do talk about it a lot.

00:43:28.120 I'm a practicing Christian and, you know, I'm not going to pull out the squirt gun of Catholic holy water and spray you and try to bring you back home to Mother Church.

00:43:36.540 I've had enough potpourri on the show recently.

00:43:39.420 What I do want to know, though, evangelicals have been getting a lot of flack recently, too.

00:43:43.800 This week has been a rough week for evangelicals.

00:43:46.200 It's been a tough week for evangelicals. 0.96

00:43:47.780 And I want to know specifically, evangelicals are being called hypocrites for supporting Trump.

00:43:53.340 There was that big piece in the Atlantic last month by Michael Gerson, I think, how they sold their soul to support Trump.

00:44:01.220 I don't understand these arguments at all.

00:44:03.640 What do you make of them?

00:44:04.740 Because, you know, listen, I'm a Catholic, so we're, we have a little more loosey goosey view on some of these things, you know.

00:44:10.020 Yeah, that's a, that's a good way to describe Catholic, loosey goosey. 0.95

00:44:14.140 Do you, what is your take on that, on the hypocrisy, the alleged hypocrisy of evangelicals who support Donald Trump? 1.00

00:44:20.260 It's only hypocritical if you're saying simultaneously, oh, actually having sex with a porn star while you're married is totally fine. 0.99

00:44:27.860 And over here saying adultery is wrong, but I don't see, and I'm not saying no evangelicals are doing that, 0.98

00:44:32.720 but even Robert Jeffress, who has been quite a mouthpiece for Donald Trump,

00:44:36.220 and I don't agree with everything he has said in favor of Donald Trump,

00:44:39.180 but even he has said, you know, we still stand where we stand morally. 0.99

00:44:43.080 We don't think it's okay to have sex with a porn star. 0.79

00:44:45.520 We don't think it's okay to cheat on your wife, but he is the most pro-life president that we've ever had. 0.96

00:44:50.740 Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is a big deal to them.

00:44:54.320 Even things like deregulation and promoting capitalism is a big deal to Protestants. 0.60

00:44:59.600 Protestantism and capitalism really have gone hand in hand since the Protestant Reformation.

00:45:03.120 So we have these values that we feel like Donald Trump is promoting, and I do think it's important that we say,

00:45:09.600 hey, we disagree with a lot of the personal moral choices that he's made, and we can hold him accountable for that.

00:45:15.220 But at the same time, we support him actually advancing our agenda, whereas under Barack Obama,

00:45:20.020 we felt like there was a lot of antipathy towards evangelicals, and so we didn't support him. 1.00

00:45:25.020 Do you think there was antipathy because he said that they're all Bible-thumping, gun-clinging ingrates and idiots, basically, 1.00

00:45:34.220 and then he painted the White House in rainbow colors just because? 1.00

00:45:36.760 Yeah, maybe just a little bit of that.

00:45:40.920 And Lois Lerner, maybe just like a little bit of that. 0.91

00:45:44.900 So, yeah, I think that's probably what it is.

00:45:47.240 I think they more see him, and I don't want to objectify him, but they almost see him as a tool to advance our agenda,

00:45:56.060 and a useful tool to advance our agenda, more than they see him as a Ronald Reagan, some stalwart of Christian values.

00:46:03.460 I think we all know that he's no choir boy, but I think it's important also for evangelical leaders to make that distinction and to say that. 0.85

00:46:10.920 And maybe they haven't done a good job of that, but to say it's hypocritical, everyone is hypocritical.

00:46:15.800 Everyone holds personal values that probably differ from any politician.

00:46:20.080 I would hope so that all the people that voted for Hillary Clinton don't think that all the things that she's done in her life are morally okay. 0.78

00:46:27.060 Like kill that guy? 0.90

00:46:28.000 Right. 1.00

00:46:28.180 No, I don't know. I'm not making any accusations or anything.

00:46:31.340 So I just think it's silly.

00:46:33.300 It's just a way for them, once again, to virtue signal, to say there's no way that you can either be religious or a good person and vote for Donald Trump, and that's just not true.

00:46:42.680 Yeah, absolutely right. Well said.

00:46:44.900 I've got to let you get out of here.

00:46:46.240 Yeah, go, go. 0.85

00:46:46.960 You're on CRTV.

00:46:48.620 Yes.

00:46:48.780 The stuff you're putting out is fabulous.

00:46:50.180 It's really, really good.

00:46:51.040 Thank you.

00:46:51.400 Where can people find you?

00:46:52.540 So my podcast is every Wednesday. It's called Relatable. You can find it on iTunes, SoundCloud, all of that. Obviously, on Wednesdays, you have to listen to my show and Michael's show at the same time. You can't replace it.

00:47:04.300 Simultaneously.

00:47:04.700 Yes.

00:47:05.240 Stream them.

00:47:06.080 Yes.

00:47:06.600 It'll just sound like this.

00:47:08.280 Yeah.

00:47:08.500 It'll just sound like this.

00:47:09.620 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:10.120 And people love that.

00:47:10.800 Yeah, it's good.

00:47:12.640 So you can find me there. You can find me on CRTV.com. Sometimes I'm on TV with Michael Knowles.

00:47:18.920 That's true. We were on Fox the other day.

00:47:20.580 So, yeah, all over the place. Social media, you can find me there, too.

00:47:24.720 What's your Twitter?

00:47:26.000 It's ConserveMillen.

00:47:27.760 ConserveMillen. How millennial is that?

00:47:30.020 I wish I could change my handle, but I can't. But you can just look up Allie Stuckey. I think I'm there.

00:47:36.080 Fabulous. Allie, always good to see you.

00:47:38.020 Yes, great to see you as well.

00:47:38.880 We're going to run you down to LAX now.

00:47:41.280 Really good advice. ConserveMillen. That is so... I want one. I want a cool millennial nickname.

00:47:47.680 Like CofefMillen. Like all the millennial... You know, all the millennial companies are like...

00:47:53.640 There are two words smashed together and random capitalization and all that. That's what I want.

00:47:58.900 So while I'm on honeymoon, please figure that out for me because I already spent all the blank book

00:48:03.660 money. I need something else to pay for this honeymoon. It's very nice to be able to say goodbye

00:48:08.780 to you guys for the next week. I'll be gone if I don't get swallowed up by sharks or lava or magma.

00:48:14.160 I will see you again soon next time as a much fatter, more suburban married man, 0.86

00:48:21.800 hopefully with lots of children by then. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.

00:48:24.760 This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you in a week.

00:48:44.160 The Michael Knowles Show is a Daily Wire Forward Publishing production. Copyright Forward Publishing 2018.

The Michael Knowles Show - May 30, 2018

Ep. 164 - The Real Trump-Kim Summit

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