The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1667 - Trump's Gaza Takeover EXPLAINED in 4 Minutes

00:00:00.000 After almost a year and a half of war between Israel and Hamas,

00:00:04.060 after 77 years of regular war between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs,

00:00:09.320 President Trump might have just solved the question of who gets Gaza. 0.62

00:00:13.760 Is it the Muslims? Is it the Jews? No, it's Trump.

00:00:19.520 The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too. 1.00

00:00:24.280 We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs

00:00:30.140 and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings,

00:00:36.520 level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs

00:00:42.080 and housing for the people of the area.

00:00:45.740 Do a real job, do something different, just can't go back.

00:00:49.360 If you go back, it's going to end up the same way it has for 100 years.

00:00:52.960 This man has never set his eyes on a piece of real estate that he did not want to acquire.

00:01:00.200 Even in ruined Gaza, not the most lush real estate you've ever seen, 0.99

00:01:06.680 the man sees opportunity.

00:01:08.900 The Gaza Strip Mall, Mag Gaza, the art of the deal. 0.93

00:01:13.640 Or is he actually trying to make a different deal entirely?

00:01:19.420 I'm Michael Knowles, this is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:22.960 Welcome back to the show.

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00:02:29.860 Now, I think, putting President Trump's proposal for Gaza aside,

00:02:33.880 most fair-minded people can acknowledge that when we're talking about who really has the right to the Gaza Strip, 0.70

00:02:40.640 it is neither the Muslims nor the Jews, it is King Baldwin III.

00:02:46.220 I think most people with even a passing familiarity with history and the law,

00:02:52.740 who have even a modicum of integrity and fairness,

00:02:56.200 would recognize it belongs to King Baldwin and his successors.

00:03:00.900 I also noticed, someone pointed this out on X last night,

00:03:03.940 King Baldwin bears a striking similarity, an odd resemblance to Barron Trump,

00:03:11.540 Barron Octavian Augustus Trump, as I call him.

00:03:14.520 So anyway, just food for thought.

00:03:16.100 I'm just throwing that out there.

00:03:17.460 What is Trump doing?

00:03:20.900 What is he doing here?

00:03:22.020 I don't know.

00:03:22.600 Of all, you say, hey, we're going to get Greenland.

00:03:24.640 I think, oh, Greenland, that's beautiful, a lot of resources, strategic up in the Arctic.

00:03:29.160 Okay, I get that.

00:03:30.460 Hey, we're going to take back the Panama Canal.

00:03:32.020 Okay, that definitely very strategic, very much in America's national security interest.

00:03:37.100 I totally under, we never should have given it up in the first place during the Carter administration.

00:03:41.500 Hey, we're going to maybe acquire Canada.

00:03:43.960 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:03:44.620 It's just America's top hat.

00:03:45.900 So maybe that, hey, we got to get Gaza. 0.94

00:03:48.640 Wait, Gaza, what?

00:03:49.520 Huh?

00:03:50.460 I don't know about Gaza.

00:03:53.000 What is this?

00:03:54.000 Some people are suggesting that this was just a deal that Bibi Netanyahu cooked up.

00:04:00.200 Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, was at the White House with President Trump yesterday.

00:04:05.600 And this is Trump just doing Netanyahu's bidding.

00:04:09.380 Now, great, okay, Bibi breaks it, and then Trump goes in and cleans it up, and it's all good for Israel. 0.88

00:04:15.020 That's what Israel, but I got to tell you, the primary video footage of Trump's announcement has the camera focused just on Trump.

00:04:23.400 If you look at the other angle, Bibi Netanyahu's expression does not look like the expression of someone who is thrilled about this proposal.

00:04:33.080 This does not look like the expression of someone who even expected this proposal.

00:04:37.040 Just take a look.

00:04:39.120 Here's Trump's announcement from Netanyahu's angle.

00:04:41.840 The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it, too. 1.00

00:04:47.960 See, look at Bibi. 0.98

00:04:49.120 He's...

00:04:49.340 And be responsible for dismantling all of the...

00:04:52.000 The minute that Trump announces we're going to take over the Gaza Strip, he's got his eyebrow raised.

00:04:56.580 He starts shifting uncomfortably.

00:04:59.920 He looks out at the audience, kind of with an odd smirk, like, what is this guy talking about?

00:05:04.820 He looks back at Trump, um, shifting all over, looking down at his notes.

00:05:09.440 You don't usually see Netanyahu this nervous.

00:05:11.440 This is a man who's very much in command of his body.

00:05:13.980 It's going to end up the same way it has for a hundred years.

00:05:15.920 Keeps looking at, uh, how am I supposed to react here?

00:05:18.720 What?

00:05:19.060 ...could be the beginning of a larger and more enduring piece that will end the...

00:05:23.080 Okay, uh, what do I say now?

00:05:25.060 Hey, look at this.

00:05:25.980 The shifting of the weight.

00:05:27.260 My administration has been moving quickly to restore trust in...

00:05:30.860 I do not read this announcement as a secret deal that Trump and Netanyahu cooked up in the back room.

00:05:39.180 Obviously, they've been talking about this issue, but I read this announcement from Trump as a move.

00:05:46.220 I read this announcement from Trump as a part of a much larger negotiation.

00:05:52.320 Not just a negotiation with the Palestinian Arabs or with Arab states, Muslim states in the region.

00:05:59.200 I view this announcement as also part of a negotiation with the state of Israel.

00:06:06.140 I don't know that Netanyahu really benefits from Trump coming in and saying, we own Gaza now.

00:06:13.000 You own Gaza?

00:06:14.200 Wait, what?

00:06:15.760 In part because if Trump claims Gaza, says that's ours now, that means the war is over.

00:06:22.880 And if the war is over, that's bad for Netanyahu.

00:06:28.940 Netanyahu needs the war to continue.

00:06:31.320 One, to maintain his domestic political popularity.

00:06:34.920 But two, because Hamas has not been totally dismantled yet.

00:06:38.720 That was the strategic objective of the war in Gaza.

00:06:41.060 After October 7th, Hamas leads this assault on Israel, Israeli civilians.

00:06:46.720 And so Israel goes in and says, we can no longer accept the security threat on our border.

00:06:49.940 So we have to dismantle Hamas. 0.63

00:06:52.260 Nothing less will suffice in this war.

00:06:53.860 The war has been going on almost a year and a half now.

00:06:56.480 There's a ceasefire deal announced by Trump because when Trump got elected, he said, hey,

00:07:00.920 Netanyahu, do whatever you want.

00:07:02.440 Do whatever you want while Biden's president.

00:07:04.580 Just wrap this thing up by the time I'm inaugurated.

00:07:08.660 And Trump seems to be following through on that.

00:07:11.340 They announced the ceasefire deal.

00:07:12.880 A lot of people in Israel are upset by the ceasefire deal because they wanted the war

00:07:17.440 to continue and they wanted Hamas to be further obliterated.

00:07:21.400 Now, Trump comes in, he says, yeah, it's ours.

00:07:23.380 We own it now.

00:07:24.280 Well, if the United States owns Gaza, then the Israelis can't drop any more bombs. 0.79

00:07:29.400 Is that maybe part of what's going on here?

00:07:32.520 Now, a lot of people are saying, we don't want to own Gaza.

00:07:36.280 We don't want to be nation building in the Middle East. 0.99

00:07:38.800 It wasn't cool when George Bush did it.

00:07:40.120 It's not cool when Donald Trump does it.

00:07:41.420 I'm just not convinced that Trump's statements yesterday reflect his true strategic objectives.

00:07:50.000 I think, and I think we got a lot of evidence behind this now, that Trump sometimes talks

00:07:55.560 past the sale, to use the language of Scott Adams.

00:07:57.980 I think sometimes Trump throws things out there so that he can walk certain proposals back

00:08:03.860 later on and achieve a deal.

00:08:05.760 I think the guy negotiates.

00:08:07.060 You know, he's written multiple books about this.

00:08:08.440 He doesn't exactly hide the ball on negotiating.

00:08:12.960 So what's really going to happen in Gaza?

00:08:16.040 I mean, look, maybe there's going to be a big international Trump golf course and hotel

00:08:21.000 and casino in Khan Yunis.

00:08:23.740 Maybe I would be surprised by that, but that could happen.

00:08:26.960 But nuts and bolts, what is the plan for Gaza?

00:08:31.260 What about all of the displaced civilians?

00:08:34.220 There, Trump and Netanyahu discuss it in the Oval Office.

00:08:37.860 Would Palestinians have the right to return to Gaza if they left while the rebuilding was

00:08:49.820 happening?

00:08:49.920 It would be my hope that we could do something really nice, really good, where they wouldn't

00:08:54.520 want to return.

00:08:55.480 Why would they want to return?

00:08:57.080 The place has been hell.

00:08:58.460 It's been one of the meanest, toughest places on Earth.

00:09:04.880 And right now, I've seen every picture from every angle better than if I were there.

00:09:11.640 And nobody can live there.

00:09:13.200 You can't live there.

00:09:14.100 So if we can build them through massive amounts of money supplied by other people, very rich

00:09:21.520 nations, and they're willing to supply it.

00:09:25.020 If we can build something for them in one of the countries, and it could be Jordan, and

00:09:29.700 it could be Egypt, it could be other countries, and you could build four or five or six areas.

00:09:34.500 It doesn't have to be one area.

00:09:36.220 But you take certain areas and you build really good quality housing, like a beautiful town,

00:09:43.580 like someplace where they can live and not die.

00:09:46.880 Because Gaza is a guarantee that they're going to end up dying. 1.00

00:09:49.820 The same thing is going to happen again.

00:09:51.720 It's happened over and over again.

00:09:54.100 And it's going to happen again, as sure as you're standing there, Peter.

00:09:57.680 Okay, so the principle Trump's articulating at the end is, the definition of insanity is

00:10:03.100 to keep doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results.

00:10:06.320 So people who are saying that Trump's proposals here, maybe his proposals are sincere, maybe

00:10:11.220 they're just a negotiating tactic, maybe he's exaggerating, maybe it's some combination.

00:10:16.140 But they're saying his proposals are insane.

00:10:17.940 But Trump's response to that, his rejoinder is, no, you know what's insane?

00:10:22.680 Just trying the same thing over and over and over again that has led to the exact same results

00:10:26.420 for 77 years.

00:10:28.280 But what's the upshot of all of this?

00:10:30.720 You heard the question, I think, from Peter Doocy, will the Palestinians be permitted to return

00:10:34.780 to their homes, which don't exist anymore?

00:10:37.320 But will they be permitted to return, at least in principle?

00:10:40.200 And Trump says, no.

00:10:42.120 And there, Netanyahu does not look surprised.

00:10:44.320 That looks like something they've been discussing.

00:10:46.980 Trump says, no, they're not going to return.

00:10:49.080 Egypt and Jordan are going to take them, which has been a big component of Israeli-Palestinian

00:10:56.300 negotiations for many decades now.

00:10:58.880 He says, they're going to stay in Egypt, or they're going to stay in Jordan.

00:11:01.020 We're going to make nice places for them, big, beautiful condominiums.

00:11:04.000 It's going to be great.

00:11:04.980 Check out the window treatments.

00:11:05.920 It's going to be fabulous.

00:11:07.040 But no, they're not going to return.

00:11:08.840 Which, you know how much I hate to say I told you so, but on this issue, I so totally told

00:11:18.200 you so for years now, and I feel bad because it's an unpleasant situation, but I feel totally,

00:11:27.240 totally vindicated the strategic goal in Gaza is now and has always been ethnic cleansing.

00:11:37.700 We'll get to what that means in just a moment, because a lot of people don't understand what

00:11:40.760 that means.

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00:12:53.480 I got in so much trouble a year and a half ago when I said, look, the Israelis' goal in 1.00

00:12:59.620 Gaza is obviously ethnic cleansing.

00:13:01.780 I got in trouble because people said, Michael, how dare you accuse the Israelis of genocide?

00:13:06.280 I said, what are you talking about?

00:13:06.940 I've never accused the Israelis of genocide.

00:13:09.120 I said, the strategic goal is ethnic cleansing. 0.99

00:13:11.540 Ethnic cleansing is different from genocide.

00:13:15.340 Genocide is when you exterminate an entire population.

00:13:19.480 Ethnic cleansing is when you displace an entire population. 1.00

00:13:23.480 Genocide, very clearly prohibited in international law.

00:13:27.740 Ethnic cleansing, actually not so clearly prohibited, not totally addressed in international

00:13:32.340 law.

00:13:32.800 It's a different thing.

00:13:34.420 Not pleasant, not something that one generally encourages, ethnic cleansing.

00:13:39.840 However, what was the alternative going to be?

00:13:43.780 The stated goal of the Palestinian Arabs is now and has always been the ethnic cleansing 0.99

00:13:52.880 of Jews in the state of Israel. 0.83

00:13:54.880 And in fact, in many cases, the stated goal has been genocide of the Jews in the state of

00:13:59.900 Israel.

00:14:00.440 So that was their stated goal.

00:14:01.980 What is Israel supposed to expect from this little area of land on its west side? 0.96

00:14:08.840 This area of land that is constantly shooting rockets into it that on October 7th of 2023 invades

00:14:15.520 and slaughters so many civilians.

00:14:17.420 After October 7th, the Israeli state decided that Palestinians in Gaza were an unacceptable security

00:14:25.000 risk.

00:14:26.420 And so even if it wasn't the stated objective, the clear strategic objective was the ethnic

00:14:33.260 cleansing, the displacement of the people in Gaza.

00:14:36.100 Now, there's really nowhere for them to live because the buildings have been leveled.

00:14:40.200 And one feels pity for the Arab Palestinians.

00:14:44.540 But let's not forget the Palestinians stated goal.

00:14:48.140 The goal actually that the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza voted for through the organization of

00:14:53.100 Hamas was the ethnic cleansing of the Jews in the state of Israel.

00:14:57.000 So the mutual goals of both belligerents here was the ethnic cleansing of the other.

00:15:03.640 And Trump is just saying it out loud.

00:15:04.920 And that's what's going on here.

00:15:06.660 So we can clutch our pearls.

00:15:07.900 We can be, we can pretend to be shocked.

00:15:09.800 Maybe some people really are shocked.

00:15:11.120 If you've been paying attention to this for even five minutes, if you have even two brain

00:15:15.220 cells to rub together and you've spent any time focusing on this, this was obviously

00:15:18.840 going to be the conclusion.

00:15:22.560 Now, one other notable statement came out of Trump's meeting with Netanyahu.

00:15:27.000 The statement pertains to Iranian attempts to assassinate Trump.

00:15:32.600 And here is Trump's response to the Iranians.

00:15:36.240 It's Iran and their proxies who have threatened to retaliate against you and your team by killing 0.92

00:15:44.380 you guys or taking out Soleimani.

00:15:46.660 Well, they haven't done that.

00:15:48.940 And that would be a terrible thing for them to do.

00:15:53.460 Not because of me. 0.56

00:15:54.460 If they did that, they would be obliterated. 0.96

00:15:57.360 That would be the end.

00:15:58.220 I've left instructions.

00:16:00.040 If they do it, they get obliterated.

00:16:02.640 There won't be anything left.

00:16:03.900 And they shouldn't be able to do it.

00:16:06.660 And Biden should have said that, but he never did.

00:16:08.820 I don't know why.

00:16:09.500 Lack of intelligence, perhaps.

00:16:11.320 But he never said it.

00:16:14.000 If that happens to a leader or close to a leader, frankly, if you had other people involved

00:16:20.880 also, you would call for total obliteration of a state that did it.

00:16:25.840 That would include Iran. 0.75

00:16:27.720 Total obliteration.

00:16:29.000 This is a good threat because whatever you think about the threat from Iran on the United 1.00

00:16:35.500 States, some people think that the threat against the United States is exaggerated from

00:16:40.640 Iran.

00:16:41.160 Whatever you think about it, Iran very much wants to assassinate Trump. 0.87

00:16:45.660 That much seems clear.

00:16:47.140 And John Bolton and Mike Pompeo and other people.

00:16:51.600 Because President Trump and all those other guys assassinated the top Iranian general,

00:16:57.880 Qasem Soleimani.

00:16:59.760 So they've been trying to kill Trump for a long time.

00:17:02.300 And it's a good question to ask. 0.95

00:17:03.640 What happens if they assassinate you?

00:17:04.940 He says, I've left instructions.

00:17:08.500 What a just vague but terrifying threat if you're one of the mullahs in Iran. 1.00

00:17:14.240 I've left instructions.

00:17:16.100 There won't be anything left of Iran if I'm assassinated. 0.95

00:17:20.220 If I'm not assassinated, maybe we play nice with Iran. 0.96

00:17:22.560 If I'm assassinated, if anyone even close to me is assassinated, there won't be anything

00:17:29.940 left.

00:17:31.080 I think Trump's comments on Gaza are not totally disconnected from those comments in response

00:17:37.040 to assassination threats from Iran.

00:17:39.980 Oh, you think I won't do it?

00:17:42.380 I just claimed Gaza for myself.

00:17:45.440 I said I'm going to build a hotel casino in Kanyunis.

00:17:51.960 Okay?

00:17:53.000 And guess what?

00:17:54.780 Denmark believes me when I'm making threats about Greenland.

00:17:58.020 And Panama believes me when I'm making threats about the canal.

00:18:01.160 And Mexico and Canada both believe me when I'm making threats about tariffs.

00:18:06.640 So, hey, Iran, do you really want to take the chance? 1.00

00:18:10.960 It's dirty Harry. 0.91

00:18:12.240 I know what you're thinking. 0.73

00:18:13.180 Did I fire six shots or only five?

00:18:16.040 Well, to be honest, I don't remember myself.

00:18:19.220 But do you feel lucky, punk?

00:18:20.800 Do you?

00:18:21.120 That's the point of the threat that Trump is making here against Iran.

00:18:27.420 Now, it's a good threat.

00:18:28.340 The only thing is Trump now needs to make sure that neither Netanyahu nor Mohammed bin 0.99

00:18:32.480 Salman in Saudi Arabia assassinate him and make it look like Iran.

00:18:36.440 Because if you are Bibi or MBS in Saudi Arabia, you're thinking, hold on, wait, Trump's

00:18:42.260 promising to completely obliterate my arch enemy, Iran. 1.00

00:18:45.440 That's not.

00:18:46.040 But I don't think that'll happen.

00:18:47.060 I think actually Trump gets along very well with Netanyahu.

00:18:50.040 Netanyahu said Trump is the biggest friend of the state of Israel that Israel has ever

00:18:53.460 had.

00:18:54.480 Saudi Arabia has a very, very good relationship with the Trump White House in particular.

00:18:58.340 So I think a lot of these threats, especially getting back to Gaza, are he's making a huge

00:19:05.080 claim here, a claim that he might follow through on.

00:19:08.340 I don't mean to downplay that.

00:19:11.600 Which will then trigger states like Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Egypt and Israel, people in the 0.99

00:19:21.940 region, to say, hold on, actually, no, we'll work out a deal.

00:19:25.440 Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry.

00:19:26.700 You don't need to do that.

00:19:27.700 Don't send in the Marines. 0.50

00:19:28.660 We'll work out a deal.

00:19:31.540 So I understand the legitimate concern from people, especially military families, who say,

00:19:37.220 I don't want my boys going over there to build resorts in Gaza.

00:19:41.000 That is not a good use of the military.

00:19:42.780 I totally understand that.

00:19:44.260 I agree with that.

00:19:45.680 But I would just say, you know, to sound like a hip, cool zoomer, let him cook. 0.95

00:19:50.900 The guy, the guy's got a good track record on these things.

00:19:53.900 So I would just say, let him cook.

00:19:55.140 He's cooking, let him cook.

00:19:56.900 Now, speaking of Trump and killing things, President Trump is, is announced after weeks

00:20:05.260 of speculation that he will, in fact, end the Department of Education.

00:20:11.460 And on the education department, why nominate Linda McMahon to be the education department 0.63

00:20:18.220 secretary if you're going to get rid of the education department?

00:20:20.600 Because I told Linda, Linda, I hope you do a great job and put yourself out of a job.

00:20:26.460 I want her to put herself out of a job. 1.00

00:20:28.760 Education department.

00:20:30.280 So we're ranked number 40 out of 40 schools, right?

00:20:33.600 We're ranked number one in cost per pupil.

00:20:35.840 So we spend more per pupil than any other country in the world.

00:20:38.740 And we're ranked at the bottom of the list.

00:20:40.780 We're ranked very badly.

00:20:42.580 And what I want to do is let the states run schools.

00:20:45.720 I believe strongly in school choice.

00:20:47.640 But in addition to that, I want the states to run schools.

00:20:50.560 And I want Linda to put herself out of a job. 1.00

00:20:53.440 So do you think that's something you can do with an executive order?

00:20:56.920 Or are you going to ask Congress to do it?

00:20:58.640 I'd like to be able to.

00:20:59.580 Look, if I could give the schools back to Iowa and Idaho and Indiana and all these places

00:21:04.300 that run properly, there's many of them.

00:21:07.460 There it is.

00:21:09.080 Hold on.

00:21:09.640 Is he going to end the Department of Education?

00:21:11.220 He said he ran on ending the Department of Education.

00:21:13.700 But then he appointed Linda McMahon to be the Secretary of Education, which seems like

00:21:17.800 he's going to just change it or reform it.

00:21:20.220 Okay, but here's the answer.

00:21:21.100 He is going to end it.

00:21:22.220 Just like Republicans have been promising to do for 45 years.

00:21:28.780 This is another key to the Trump presidency.

00:21:32.180 When people claim that Trump is radical, we've never seen anything like this before.

00:21:37.100 He's extreme.

00:21:38.120 He's an American original, no question.

00:21:40.860 He speaks in a way that is jarring and maybe that we haven't experienced before.

00:21:46.100 But in terms of what he is doing, you know what makes Trump unique?

00:21:52.240 You know what makes him a singular, distinctive figure?

00:21:55.360 It's not that he's got the craziest ideas ever.

00:21:57.980 It's that he is actually following through on the kinds of promises that Republicans have

00:22:04.660 made for decades.

00:22:05.680 That's it.

00:22:07.500 We've been hearing that Republicans are going to end the Department of Education since Ronald

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00:22:13.340 Every Republican president, presidential candidate promises to do it.

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00:22:17.200 Just like getting back to the Middle East, we've been hearing for decades and decades that America

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00:22:26.000 Every Republican president was promising that, but then none of them did it.

00:22:30.440 Trump does it.

00:22:31.040 That's the difference.

00:22:33.420 You want to know the big difference is Trump actually does the things that all the other

00:22:38.820 Republicans say that they're going to do.

00:22:40.600 The difference is actually integrity and follow through.

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00:24:06.260 This week, I want to hear from you in the mailbag.

00:24:09.240 Mailbag's coming up on Friday, so you've got to get your mailbag questions in.

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00:24:47.640 Then I will hear your beautiful, dulcet, mellifluous tones on Friday.

00:24:55.620 The Washington Post is up in arms.

00:24:59.360 Washington Post as the symbol and mouthpiece of the liberal establishment.

00:25:03.580 Up in arms.

00:25:05.740 Elon Musk's Doge, Department of Government Efficiency, is illegal.

00:25:11.200 This is what Elon is doing at Trump's behest to cut departments and fat away from the federal

00:25:20.380 government.

00:25:20.700 It's illegal.

00:25:21.580 So says WAPO, so say all these Democrat senators, all these Democrat-talking heads, U.S. government

00:25:31.120 officials.

00:25:31.900 Now they're apparently quoting these secret U.S. Trump officials that privately warn that

00:25:37.220 Musk's blitz appears illegal.

00:25:38.980 The billionaire's Doge team has launched an all-out assault on federal agencies, triggering

00:25:43.520 numerous legal objections.

00:25:45.060 Okay.

00:25:46.520 I'd like to give a little hat tip here to a great Twitter account, ex-account, Suit Moose

00:25:52.540 Esquire, who made this point yesterday.

00:25:57.660 Doge is not only not illegal, Doge isn't even original.

00:26:03.420 Now, the Department of Government Efficiency is not some new idea that Elon cooked up sitting

00:26:09.020 in the Tesla headquarters playing video games.

00:26:10.980 It's not some new idea that Trump cooked up on his own.

00:26:15.060 We have had many examples of Doges in the history of the United States. 0.59

00:26:20.600 And in fact, we've had Doges, we've had government efficiency initiatives in the executive branch

00:26:26.640 that have been implemented in pretty similar ways to the ways that this is being implemented.

00:26:31.320 What is Doge?

00:26:32.680 Is it in the government?

00:26:34.180 Is it outside the government?

00:26:35.300 There seems to be a little confusion about that.

00:26:37.500 Doge is a temporary service nestled under the U.S. Digital Service.

00:26:44.400 Doge is formally tasked with upgrading software, but it's really tasked with auditing the entire

00:26:50.740 executive branch.

00:26:52.900 We have seen this before.

00:26:55.440 This goes back at least 100 years, maybe more.

00:27:00.480 As the great Sutmus Esquire on X points out, Woodrow Wilson created a Bureau of Efficiency

00:27:07.380 via executive action.

00:27:10.580 There was no law passed by Congress.

00:27:12.640 He just created the Bureau of Efficiency.

00:27:14.680 The purpose of the Bureau of Efficiency was essentially the purpose of Doge.

00:27:18.640 After Wilson, FDR created the Brownlow Commission.

00:27:21.720 Brownlow Commission ended with the creation of the executive office of the president, which

00:27:26.340 is all of those offices and staff members.

00:27:30.680 We're talking about now, what is it?

00:27:31.680 Something like 1,800 staff members nestled in the executive office of the president.

00:27:36.000 Most of them work in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building.

00:27:38.240 That was created through an executive commission, pretty much like Doge.

00:27:45.460 After FDR, President Truman created the Hoover Commission.

00:27:49.780 The Hoover Commission was followed by another Reorganization Act.

00:27:53.080 FDR got his changes through a Reorganization Act.

00:27:55.140 That was followed by another Reorganization Act.

00:27:57.260 But the Hoover Commission was just something that President Truman cooked up to create efficiencies

00:28:02.240 and a new order within the executive.

00:28:05.100 Ronald Reagan, good old St. Gipper, had the Grace Commission.

00:28:09.180 He created the Grace Commission via executive order, just like Trump created Doge.

00:28:14.500 The purpose of the Grace Commission was to cut fat in the executive branch. 0.99

00:28:17.840 And there was actually a campaign talking point that without the Grace Commission, the U.S.

00:28:26.040 national debt would have hit $13 trillion.

00:28:28.020 But they cut away so much fat that it didn't hit $13 trillion.

00:28:30.460 It actually took another decade or more, more than that, to hit $13 trillion.

00:28:38.080 Not just St. Reagan, not just even those old-timey Democrats, even real modern Democrats.

00:28:43.980 Al Gore, when he was vice president, created the National Partnership for Reinventing Government.

00:28:51.040 Same purpose as Doge, to create efficiencies in the government.

00:28:55.260 And same conclusions as Doge, really.

00:28:57.860 The National Partnership for Reinventing Government eliminated over 100 government programs.

00:29:03.140 Eliminated over a quarter million federal jobs.

00:29:06.380 People are arguing now, Trump doesn't have the right.

00:29:08.740 Elon Musk certainly doesn't have the right to be just deleting all of these federal jobs.

00:29:14.500 There's a formal process for this.

00:29:16.080 No, actually, Al Gore did it.

00:29:18.080 A quarter million federal jobs, consolidated over 800 agencies.

00:29:23.520 None of those commissions and bureaus and initiatives, none of them were created by Congress.

00:29:31.240 None of them were created as a matter of law on Capitol Hill.

00:29:37.020 Well, they were all created in the executive in the exact same way that Donald Trump created Doge.

00:29:46.460 Chuck Schumer on Capitol Hill apparently didn't get the memo.

00:29:50.860 And the American people, mark my words, the American people will not stand for an unelected secret group

00:29:59.680 to run rampant through the executive branch.

00:30:04.440 Being innovative is good.

00:30:07.020 But, Mr. Musk, this isn't a tech startup.

00:30:11.020 These are public institutions that deal with things like Social Security and Medicare and national defense

00:30:17.220 and provide for the well-being of the American people.

00:30:21.100 And the American people have a right to be part of that debate.

00:30:26.540 Part of that debate.

00:30:28.180 The elections occurred.

00:30:33.340 And one viewpoint got a few more votes than the other.

00:30:38.660 A few more votes.

00:30:39.060 But that doesn't mean we throw out democracy.

00:30:41.860 Throw...

00:30:42.180 That doesn't mean what's been done for centuries in this country should just go out the window

00:30:50.380 and be substituted by a small group of people who think they know a lot more than the wisdom of the American people.

00:30:58.980 What's been done for a century in the United States is exactly what Trump is doing right now. 0.98

00:31:04.520 Schumer, I guess, is just ignorant of his history. 0.93

00:31:06.660 Or he's lying. 0.98

00:31:08.300 But let's be nice to Chuck.

00:31:10.080 Let's be charitable. 1.00

00:31:10.820 And let's say he's just ignorant. 0.99

00:31:12.980 The aberration, the break with historical precedent, 0.98

00:31:17.160 would be to have this whole thing run out of Congress.

00:31:20.420 That's not how this has worked.

00:31:21.940 Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Reagan, Al freaking Gore.

00:31:30.560 All of them did it the way that Trump is doing it.

00:31:34.200 None of them did it the way that you're proposing, Chuck.

00:31:36.580 So, as usual, this is just projection.

00:31:41.840 Trump is acting lawlessly.

00:31:43.420 His proposals are out of keeping with the American...

00:31:45.480 What are you talking about?

00:31:47.160 He's acting very much within the law and within historical precedent.

00:31:50.420 And just because you won a few more votes, a few more votes.

00:31:56.760 Hold on.

00:31:57.140 It was an electoral college landslide.

00:31:58.720 It was a clear popular vote victory for a Republican for the first time in 20 years.

00:32:03.640 Huge swaths of every demographic, even the ones that you most rely on.

00:32:08.540 40% of women under 30.

00:32:10.240 What are you talking about?

00:32:10.920 A few more votes.

00:32:12.080 Just because of that doesn't mean that democracy is thrown out the window.

00:32:15.380 No, no, no.

00:32:15.640 Democracy is not thrown out the window.

00:32:16.800 If Trump did not implement Doge, that would be throwing democracy out the window.

00:32:22.500 Don't forget, this isn't some secret group of people.

00:32:24.640 I love he says, this is a secret group of people.

00:32:26.840 Elon Musk is secret.

00:32:28.020 He's one of the most public individuals on planet Earth.

00:32:31.400 They haven't exactly hid the ball on this, Chuck Schumer.

00:32:34.880 Trump campaigned on putting Elon Musk in charge of efficiency in the government.

00:32:40.580 This is my same argument as to why the Senate needs to confirm Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy Jr.

00:32:47.560 The argument for that is Trump campaigned on this.

00:32:51.600 Maybe you like Tulsi, maybe you like Bobby, maybe you don't like either of them.

00:32:55.000 You can't say that the American people didn't know what they were getting.

00:32:57.860 Trump brought them up on stage with him at Madison Square Garden and said, this is what

00:33:00.840 I'm going to do with these people.

00:33:01.920 If you want that, vote for me.

00:33:03.120 If you don't, don't vote for me.

00:33:04.460 And they voted for him.

00:33:06.660 Give the people what they want.

00:33:07.900 And by the way, also at Madison Square Garden and at many other rallies, he pulls Elon Musk

00:33:12.820 on stage.

00:33:13.280 He says, I'm going to put this guy in charge of creating efficiencies in the federal government.

00:33:16.060 You want that vote for me?

00:33:17.680 That's democracy in action.

00:33:19.300 That's historical precedent.

00:33:20.820 That's the American tradition.

00:33:23.500 We don't need some secret group unaccountable to the people to be ruling us.

00:33:31.060 Chuck, that's what you've been doing for the last four years.

00:33:34.280 Does anybody, even if you think Biden got elected, does anybody think,

00:33:38.020 Biden's been running the show for four years?

00:33:39.580 No.

00:33:40.560 We have no idea who's been running the country for four years.

00:33:43.360 Most people are clear at this point it wasn't Joe Biden.

00:33:47.060 Projection, projection, projection.

00:33:48.520 Now, speaking of efficiencies, another great innovative proposal from overseas, or at least

00:33:55.260 south of the border.

00:33:56.240 My favorite Latin American head of state, Naib Bukele, the leader of El Salvador, has made

00:34:05.220 a beautiful offer to Americans.

00:34:07.120 He has offered to imprison America's criminals.

00:34:12.020 You know, Trump flies criminal aliens down to Colombia.

00:34:16.420 Colombia says, no, no, gracias, no, we don't want that.

00:34:19.140 And then, you know, then Trump works out a deal.

00:34:22.160 But, but Bukele says the opposite.

00:34:24.000 He goes, oh, please, don't, not only should you bring us criminal El Salvadorans, not only 0.99

00:34:28.720 should you bring us criminal illegal aliens, we'll take your criminal American citizens 1.00

00:34:32.400 too. 0.98

00:34:32.720 We got super jails over here. 1.00

00:34:36.620 Naib Bukele, you want to know if that guy's good at one thing, he's good at many things,

00:34:40.440 but if you want to know he's good at one thing, it is imprisoning very nasty criminals.

00:34:45.220 That guy turned El Salvador from the most dangerous country on earth to the safest country

00:34:50.520 in the Western Hemisphere.

00:34:51.900 And he did it by taking all the face tattooed Satan worshiping gangsters and throwing in 0.99

00:34:56.000 a hellish prison and then videotaping them running around like cockroaches. 0.98

00:35:02.300 And then broadcasting that to all the other face tattooed gangsters. 0.97

00:35:05.100 And guess what?

00:35:05.460 The crime rate went down.

00:35:06.520 So what does Bukele say?

00:35:08.660 He says, we've offered the United States of America the opportunity to outsource part

00:35:13.260 of its prison system.

00:35:14.280 We are willing to take in only convicted criminals, including convicted US citizens,

00:35:19.400 I love this, into our mega prison, CECOT, in exchange for a fee.

00:35:24.320 The fee would be relatively low for the US, but significant for us, making our entire prison

00:35:29.080 system sustainable.

00:35:30.340 This is, this is the art of the deal.

00:35:35.660 This is a really good deal.

00:35:37.980 You think the libs are saying, we need to end private prisons in America.

00:35:42.400 I think Trump's outside the box thinking here can say, okay, great.

00:35:47.180 We'll end private prisons in America.

00:35:49.020 We're just going to, we're going to outsource them to El Salvador. 0.98

00:35:51.780 You like that?

00:35:52.360 The libs won't arrest rapists and murderers and people who set subway cars on fire and

00:35:58.880 they'll actually arrest the people who try to stop the bad guys.

00:36:01.080 Okay.

00:36:01.320 Well, now we got a new sheriff in town and you know what we're going to do?

00:36:04.080 We're not only going to arrest our criminals, we're going to ship them off to Naib Bukele. 1.00

00:36:09.160 That, I think he, if anyone can reform them, it's going to be that guy.

00:36:12.800 How's that sound?

00:36:14.420 Not a bad idea.

00:36:15.460 It'd probably be a lot cheaper than imprisoning them in the United States.

00:36:19.040 And I don't know.

00:36:20.500 I don't know if people are going to go for it, but I like, I at least like that proposal

00:36:24.680 as a starting point for criminal justice reform.

00:36:28.720 We all want criminal justice reform.

00:36:30.040 All right, good.

00:36:30.380 That's my kind of criminal justice reform.

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00:37:56.500 My favorite comment yesterday is from Laz Tavos, who says,

00:37:59.900 if smoking marijuana causes short-term memory loss, what does smoking marijuana do?

00:38:08.220 It got me.

00:38:09.180 I laughed when I read it, and I laughed when I read it a second time.

00:38:12.480 My, speaking of, so wow, maybe I had short-term memory loss from that marijuana.

00:38:19.060 What was Professor Jacob smoking yesterday?

00:38:21.080 I forget.

00:38:22.940 Speaking of protecting Americans, Tulsi Gabbard has advanced out of committee.

00:38:30.040 The Senate Intelligence Committee voted yesterday to advance Tulsi Gabbard's nomination.

00:38:36.380 The vote was 9 to 8.

00:38:38.420 It was a vote along party lines.

00:38:41.280 Very, very good.

00:38:43.000 I mean, to be expected, frankly, the fact that all the Republicans will vote for her,

00:38:47.940 at least in committee, is a good sign, because I expected plenty of Republicans to squish on Tulsi Gabbard. 1.00

00:38:54.820 But this is what a mandate means.

00:38:57.960 You know, I remember, I was at that Madison Square Garden rally,

00:39:00.600 where Tulsi spoke, and Bobby Kennedy spoke, and Elon Musk spoke, and a lot of people spoke.

00:39:04.620 Dr. Phil spoke.

00:39:05.820 There were a lot of people there.

00:39:06.500 But I remember, I was sitting with some friends, seeing a stage steal, and Dave Rubin, and a number of other people.

00:39:15.560 And I said, why is he doing this rally here?

00:39:19.400 Why campaign just a couple weeks before the election in New York City?

00:39:23.160 He's not going to win New York.

00:39:25.060 And some friends of mine said, he's going for the popular vote.

00:39:29.800 In other words, he's going for a mandate.

00:39:32.000 He thinks that he's got the electoral college in the bag.

00:39:35.060 So now, he's putting all his chips on the table.

00:39:37.560 He's buying leverage for when he is elected.

00:39:42.660 In retrospect, that looks like what he was doing.

00:39:46.060 Had Trump hid the ball, played it safe, run a campaign like Romney 2012,

00:39:52.020 which is, we're not going to talk about anything even remotely controversial.

00:39:55.200 We're just going to focus on the economy.

00:39:57.060 You know, had Trump run one of these, I'm just going to fix inflation kind of campaigns.

00:40:02.000 First of all, I don't think he would have won.

00:40:04.040 I think that the wisdom of the Romney campaign, that could be my next blank book,

00:40:08.200 the wisdom of the Romney campaign was just mistaken.

00:40:12.340 But had he done that, and then he came into office, and he started talking about all these wild things.

00:40:16.820 We're going to slap new tariffs.

00:40:18.180 We're going to have mass deportations.

00:40:20.180 We're going to take back the Katama Canal, all this stuff.

00:40:22.700 We're going to control Gaza, whatever. 0.93

00:40:25.240 All of this would have been so totally jarring and unpopular.

00:40:30.180 He would have been restricted.

00:40:32.560 However, if during the campaign, Trump says, hey, when you elect me, you know what?

00:40:38.540 You're getting Tulsi Gabbard.

00:40:39.960 You're getting two Democrat presidential candidates, and we're going to make America healthy again,

00:40:44.020 and we're going to have beef tallow, you know, basically sprayed down into the atmosphere.

00:40:48.540 And we're going to do this, and we're going to do all, and we're going to have a lot of tariffs,

00:40:52.360 and we're going to do all this.

00:40:53.440 We're going to put Elon Musk in charge of some government office I haven't even invented yet.

00:40:56.720 And because he ran on it, he's got a lot of runway.

00:41:02.120 People are familiar with that, and I think it's what gives him so much negotiating leverage.

00:41:07.180 Now, speaking of advancing out of government, speaking of people just being advanced out of the government,

00:41:14.240 an important story happened a couple days ago, but I want to get to it.

00:41:17.080 The USDA inspector general was escorted out of her office by security.

00:41:26.280 Phyllis Fong is a 22-year veteran of the USDA, and she told her colleagues that she planned to stay at the White House,

00:41:37.120 or stay at USDA after the White House fired her. 0.96

00:41:41.280 And her argument was that the White House did not follow the proper protocols to fire her,

00:41:47.880 so she was going to keep her job.

00:41:49.220 Even though Trump said she was out, she was going to keep her job, and that was that.

00:41:52.820 They could drag her out with security if they wanted to, which is exactly what Trump did.

00:41:56.000 She said, according to an email reviewed by Reuters, that the Independent Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency,

00:42:08.280 quote, has taken the position that these termination notices do not comply with the requirements set out in law,

00:42:12.120 and therefore are not effective.

00:42:14.620 And Trump said, they'll be effective.

00:42:15.600 I'm going to drag you out of your office kicking and screaming if I have to. 1.00

00:42:17.840 And Trump did that to send the same kind of message he's been sending on all these fronts.

00:42:24.140 He's not bluffing, except when he is.

00:42:27.300 But he will follow through.

00:42:29.360 The thing about bluffing is sometimes you've got to follow through.

00:42:33.480 That's the only way you can have an effective bluff.

00:42:35.360 Anyone who's played two games of poker in your entire life knows this.

00:42:39.660 So sometimes you've got to follow through, and he does.

00:42:42.940 And that's going to cause some chaos and consternation.

00:42:45.820 Walter Kern made a good point on social media, which is that we hear a lot about the peaceful transfer of power.

00:42:56.700 This is the American tradition of the peaceful transfer of power, which President Trump so upended, supposedly, in 2020.

00:43:06.280 They forget about all the riots and the setting cars on fire and the shrieking and the denial of the election from top Democrats in 2016.

00:43:12.140 Forget about that.

00:43:12.860 But Trump threatened the peaceful transfer of power for the first time ever.

00:43:18.080 Well, Walter Kern made the point that there's a difference between the peaceful transfer of power and changing shifts at your job.

00:43:27.960 That what we've called the peaceful transfer of power, the shift in power from, I don't know, Reagan to Clinton, Clinton to Bush, Bush to Obama.

00:43:39.820 That that was less a transfer of power than it was just a shift change.

00:43:44.360 Okay?

00:43:45.540 That, yeah, there were different kind of policy desires.

00:43:48.960 But the fundamental understanding of the political order really was the same in many ways.

00:43:56.220 I actually forgot about George Bush the first in between from Reagan to Bush to Bush to Clinton to Clinton to Bush to Bush to Obama.

00:44:04.180 That they all basically shared the same underlying philosophy.

00:44:09.800 Not so with Trump.

00:44:12.840 Adrian Vermeule, the legal theorist at Harvard, pointed to the distinction between formal and material transfer of power.

00:44:20.080 That you can have two guys, one wearing a red tie, one wearing a blue tie, and they have a formal transfer of power at the inauguration.

00:44:29.620 But if they all agree on the basics, it's kind of just formal.

00:44:34.460 But if you have one guy who's wearing a red tie and one guy who's wearing a jean jacket and a tank top, you know, maybe that's not so much a formal transfer of power as a material transfer.

00:44:48.760 You're actually going to be getting something different in your government now.

00:44:54.420 That's probably what's going on with Trump.

00:44:57.180 And material transfers of power are not that peaceful.

00:45:00.820 The 1860 election, not so peaceful.

00:45:04.460 That transfer of power.

00:45:06.780 The elections of, well, I don't know, even Jackson's election, that was a little bit rowdy.

00:45:16.300 The, I don't know, 1960s got pretty rowdy.

00:45:22.900 2016 got pretty rowdy.

00:45:26.500 How many times have we really had the peaceful transfer of power?

00:45:29.520 Unclear.

00:45:30.020 Good point brought up by them to show that we are actually seeing a shift in,

00:45:34.460 the political order in the United States.

00:45:36.320 Now, speaking of a shift, there's one, it's a minor point, but it's a point that I do want to make.

00:45:43.960 Kanye West is back on Twitter.

00:45:46.880 Kanye West is back on Twitter.

00:45:48.400 I said, oh no, here we go.

00:45:49.200 What's he going to be tweeting about?

00:45:53.140 First tweet I saw.

00:45:55.060 I speak in third person from now on.

00:45:59.040 I speak, I, first person, speak in third person from now on.

00:46:02.840 That's a funny tweet.

00:46:04.560 That's a delightful little tweet.

00:46:06.160 Kamala seems like a very nice human. 0.87

00:46:08.180 I just want to say sorry to her kids.

00:46:10.920 She doesn't have any kids.

00:46:12.020 That's, that's a, that's a odd, strange, funny little tweet.

00:46:17.220 F reading and anyone who can do it.

00:46:20.400 That's a, it's a great, he's suggesting, of course, that he, he cannot, but he wrote in language.

00:46:27.180 So he has, it's just a funny, delightful little, when I saw this, now I know Kanye then showed up to the Grammys and stripped his wife down to her skimmies.

00:46:35.340 And I know, you know, the whole, that, that was, but I'm just talking about the Twitter, the return to Twitter.

00:46:40.360 It wasn't a bunch of Jew stuff. 0.98

00:46:42.300 It wasn't a bunch of porn. 0.98

00:46:44.020 It wasn't a bunch of the disreputable stuff.

00:46:46.860 It, it was just funny Kanye posts.

00:46:50.640 Just a sense, even down to the tweets, that we're back.

00:46:55.960 You know, we're back.

00:46:57.100 Something is, just a fog has, a miasma has lifted off the country.

00:47:02.900 We can breathe again.

00:47:04.380 We're giddy.

00:47:04.940 We're brimming with joy, to use a phrase from Kamala.

00:47:09.180 I cannot get enough of it.

00:47:10.560 Now, of course, our, our genius political scientists, so I should be clear about that.

00:47:15.280 Not political scientists, like nerds with statistics, but, but scientists in lab coats who are actually very political.

00:47:23.420 They tell us that the doomsday clock is closest to midnight, closer than it has ever been.

00:47:29.960 So, something to consider while we talk about building up new resort casinos in, in Gaza.

00:47:36.700 They say that things have never been any worse, but I don't know.

00:47:39.480 I look around, things seem to be improving.

00:47:41.460 There was no member block today, because I have to go on Piers Morgan's show.

00:47:45.280 So, very sorry to have to do that to you, but it's, it's always a delight to go on Piers Morgan's show, so I thought you would forgive me.

00:47:51.680 I will be back tomorrow.

00:47:54.040 In the meantime, get your candles.

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00:47:59.640 It's called Wise Man, and we, we sold out.

00:48:02.560 You know, we had to make some changes a little bit, but it's fabulous.

00:48:05.680 If you want to get it, get it right now, thecandleclub.com.

00:48:07.600 And, of course, go to mayflowerscigars.com.

00:48:10.520 Get your beautiful Mayflower Zycarla.

00:48:12.120 We might be sold out of these, actually, but if we're not sold out, you should get the remaining ones that exist.

00:48:16.720 21 years or older.

00:48:17.780 Some exclusions apply.

00:48:19.560 Much more to talk about tomorrow.

00:48:21.320 See you then.

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The Michael Knowles Show - February 05, 2025

Ep. 1667 - Trump's Gaza Takeover EXPLAINED in 4 Minutes

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