Ep. 1688 - DeSantis Picks a Fight with Andrew Tate
Summary
In this episode of the Michael Knowles Show, host Michael Kinsley is joined by political strategist Charlie Munger to discuss all the latest breaking news and breaking events happening in Washington, D.C., and around the country.
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Bums usually can't recover until they hit rock bottom.
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For Democrats, rock bottom seems to have come Tuesday night during President Trump's joint session address.
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After which, top Democrat strategists excoriated their own party.
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Ten Democrats in Congress joined the Republicans to censure that lunatic Al Green who was screaming so much he had to be dragged out of the chamber.
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And the leading Democrat candidate for president in 2028 just came out against transgenderism in sports.
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So the Florida government, the attorney general there at, it would seem, the encouragement of the governor, have opened a criminal investigation into Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan Tate.
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Now breaking news, it looks like they're leaving America, going back to Romania.
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Speaking of maintaining our health, I'm in New York right now.
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You can tell if you're watching the show instead of just listening that I'm in a hotel room right now.
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And apparently in hotel rooms in New York now, instead of giving you bottles of water, they give you little milk cartons of water.
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But on the other hand, now the conservatives are the group that hate all the microplastics and they recognize that the chemicals are turning the frog skin and everything.
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I have Professor Jacob in the room with me right now.
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In any case, there's a lot of flip-flopping going on.
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We've got the Corporatists are now on the left.
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And Gavin Newsom, in my mind, the leading candidate for president for the Democrats in 2028, even though he burned one of his major cities to the ground and is one of the worst governors in America.
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Still, I think he's one of the leading candidates.
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He just broke with his own party on the issue of transgenderism in sports.
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A Democrat strategist would say, oh, Charlie, you're weaponizing stuff.
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But the most effective ad of this election cycle, the most effective ad, you know what it is.
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And she didn't even react to it, which was even more devastating.
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Number one, it was the trans issue that was just monopolizing.
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And this was, this was even more challenging because it's issues of people that are incarcerated.
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And illegal incarcerated individuals getting taxpayer funding.
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And then she's like enthusiastically defending it, bragging, being like, I'm all for this,
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And then you had the video that, oh, it was a validator.
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The targeted focus from the, from the Trump campaign.
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It's, it's deeply unfair to have men in women's sports.
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He, he sometimes pretends to be a moderate because he looks like Patrick Bateman and he
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looks like every other normal looking white guy that's ever been in political office in
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He's, he's a radical, including and especially on sexual issues.
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When he was mayor of San Francisco in 2004, Gavin Newsom defied federal law to redefine marriage
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and create these ceremonies where two fellows or two ladies could, could pretend that they
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This was long before Barack Obama ever came around on gay marriage.
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2004, Barack Obama would campaign four years later.
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Hillary Clinton would campaign four years after that saying marriage is a sacred institution
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Obama wouldn't change his view until 2011, 2012.
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Obergefell didn't come down redefining marriage until 2015.
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Gavin Newsom was one of the earliest figures in the country advocating for weird sex stuff
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Now, all of a sudden, he's the voice of reason on transgenderism.
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By the way, you heard that voice, that other voice in the conversation.
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Gavin Newsom launches a show, and the first person he invites on is a Republican activist
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so that he could agree with the Republican activist on an issue that has been defining
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Newsom realizes that the Democrats are currently on a path to oblivion.
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If they keep down this road, they're going to lose more black male voters, they're going
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to lose more Hispanic voters, they're going to lose more female voters, they're going
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I think Gavin Newsom recognizes, and this show comes out after that debacle for the Democrats
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at Trump's joint session address, I think Newsom realizes that even if he were the nominee
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in 2028, if he kept to the current Democrat policies on immigration, on maybe even foreign
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policy, certainly on gender, that he would go down in flames.
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Now, the one reason that Newsom might not be the nominee, and if he were the nominee, the
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reason he might not win, is because one of his major cities went down in flames because
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And in 2018, President Trump warned him, said, hey, you're not dealing with your forests,
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you're not cleaning up the brush, your state is going to catch on fire because of those
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And Newsom said, oh, anyway, yeah, never mind, I've got to get back to the French laundry,
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Come on, man, you know, it's hip to be squared.
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And so he totally ignored that, let the city burn to the ground, looks terrible, probably
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his chances went down with him, except for this, except for this.
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Like, he's one of the few prominent Democrats to say, all right, the party has gone a little
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Now, Newsom is going to have one other problem.
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And this is a word to the wise for any Democrats who realize that this trans issue is killing
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You can't just oppose transgenderism in sports.
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This was the thesis of my CPAC speech that went viral a couple of years ago.
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There are certain issues you can have a middle ground, like taxes or immigration or whatever.
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Either our bodies have something to do with who we are or they don't.
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I accept dudes walking around, wearing dresses, doing drag queen story hour.
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You've accepted the anthropology that says that a man can be a woman.
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So then if a man can be a woman, why wouldn't you let that true woman, you know, that true
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woman with his big broad shoulders and his big Adam's apple and his hairy chest, why won't
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you let that true woman play volleyball with the other gals?
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So Newsom, he's testing the waters here, trans and women's sports.
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But I think he's smart enough to realize that he's going to have to go further for that
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Does the Democrat base want to win elections again?
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Ten Democrats in Congress just joined with Republicans to censure one of their fellow
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He's tried to impeach Trump like 150 times already.
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He interrupted the State of the Union, sorry, the joint session address.
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He had to be dragged out by the sergeant of arms.
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I think it's because they realized Democrats just looked absolutely horrible the other night.
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Just for an ordinary citizen, not an elected official, just an ordinary citizen.
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If you're watching that humiliating display by the Democrats, especially by Al Green,
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you're not going to want to admit that you're a Democrat.
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You're going to be much more inclined to say, oh no, I'm an independent.
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Maybe, you know, actually, I'm kind of with Trump.
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They're starting to realize, on the night of that speech, when they all showed up with
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their stupid signs and screaming and yelling and not standing for American citizens
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being returned from prison in Russia, not standing for cute little 13,
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year old kids getting nominated or actually being certified as honorary Secret Service
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agents, not standing for their own policies, no tax on tips.
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I thought, man, these people haven't learned anything since the election.
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And some of them are recognizing, man, I got to get to rehab.
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Let's ride that abolish police and open borders dragon just one more time.
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We won a huge victory in November, getting America back on the right track.
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It's been winning, winning, winning ever since then.
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The best way to celebrate that victory is by flying your American flag that is made right
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If there is one thing, one thing that you should own that is made in America, it is your American
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Let that banner wave loud and proud outside your home.
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Your go-to American flag should be an allegiance flag, hand-sewn in Charleston, South Carolina,
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a town that I'm visiting very soon, by dedicated craftsmen and women who put care into every
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The first song I ever learned as a kid was, it's a grand old flag, and I fly a flag in
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The flag that I have for my home is an allegiance flag, and my kids play with a little allegiance
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I love New York for all of its problems and all the terrible government and all, you know,
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the bums and the, now I'm two blocks away from one of the main hotels where they house
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the illegal aliens that Biden invited into the country.
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So New York's got problems, but I still love it.
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I like the town, you know, coming in and out every so often.
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One thing, though, I will admit about New York, it doesn't, it doesn't always smell
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One thing that could really help this city, getting rid of all the illegals, President
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Trump already fixed the congestion tax, you know, cleaning up the bums and all the rest,
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So if the city is considering doing that, I want you to go get your candle first, because
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If you wanted to clean up the smells in New York, that would sell out very quickly.
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All right, I'm going to say nice things about Democrats for approximately five more seconds.
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Then we'll get back to just pummeling them into the dirt.
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But some of them are getting it, and it's not even just the moderate ones.
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As I mentioned, Gavin Newsom is not a moderate.
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Just because he's a white guy with gray hair doesn't mean he's a moderate, okay?
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Just because he doesn't have a bunch of piercings and face tattoos, he's not.
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But he realizes the Democrats have to moderate.
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Simone Sanders was an advisor to Bernie Sanders, then an advisor to the Biden campaign, then
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She's worked at very high levels of Democrat politics.
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She goes on MSNBC with Michael Steele, who was the head of the Republican National Committee,
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And Simone and Steele agree the Democrats just looked like absolute gutter bums in the Capitol
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I don't know who thought up the bingo signs, but they should be fired.
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Michael, this is an indictment, in my opinion, on the Democratic leadership.
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I talked to a lot of members during the—they were texting.
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The staff were on my phones, and they were calling.
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And I think the best way to describe it is the Democratic leadership said they didn't want
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disruptions, and they wanted people to attend and bring a guest.
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So they wanted, you know, a little business as usual, and we're fighting back in other
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There is a palpable disgust, as Claire said, from not just the members, but their constituents.
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And it's like a pot, as someone described it to me, that's boiling, and it's about to
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If you do not allow the members a space to release valve, it's going to bubble over.
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And this was a—the members didn't—the visuals are not taken back to House in 2026.
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Michael Steele, I know he's sort of a Republican, but he's really a huge lib.
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And Simone Sanders, a big Republican operative, is saying, Dems, you are not taking back the
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Those stupid little signs that are now just memed all over, Rashida Tlaib saying all sorts
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of crazy things because they set themselves up to become a meme.
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You got Trump coming out, resolving multiple world conflicts, renaming, whether you agree
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with it or not, renaming bodies of water, making moves to retake the Panama Canal, add
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new territories to the United States, like Greenland, which the U.S. State Department
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has been trying to acquire for 150 years, changing the economic order in line with his campaign
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And these feckless, ridiculous Democrats are sitting with their little sourpuss on their
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You know, the Republican reign will last 1,000 years if you guys keep it up.
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But some people, some Dems, I think, are realizing something has to change.
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Now, speaking of learning, President Trump—it was reported yesterday, as I was flying up
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to New York, that Trump already had a draft of an executive order to abolish the Department
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Republicans have been campaigning on abolishing the Department of Education since the Reagan
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Don't forget, the Department of Education was only founded at the end of the Carter administration.
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So it was a very live issue in 1980 and again in 1984.
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And then all these Republicans are campaigning on abolishing the Department of Education,
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And then Trump decides he's actually going to do it.
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Some have pointed out that if you really want to abolish it for good, probably you have
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But Trump could do a lot to bring it to the brink of extinction.
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You know, this has been in the works for a little while.
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Because you know what the Libs are going to say.
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The Republicans are attacking education, and they're attacking public education, and they're
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going to destroy the ability of young Americans to learn and to better themselves.
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I think people, they just hear Department of Education.
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Department of Education does three things, basically.
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The Department of Education supports college loans and financial aid.
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In other words, the Department of Education encourages this blank check system.
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To American universities that has caused the cost of tuition to soar from single-digit thousands
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of dollars to now $60,000, $70,000, $80,000 a year, miring students in hundreds of thousands
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of dollars in debt that they probably won't be able to repay because the quality of the
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And because certain universities, without any scruples whatsoever, will just admit basically
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anyone, even if those students have no business being at a university, and then they'll
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lower the standards, and then the certificate, the diploma means nothing.
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It's good for some people to go to some colleges in some circumstances.
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I'm a great defender of the true mission of real universities.
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But I think even people who are pretty liberal would recognize the current American university
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And a lot of it is driven by the Department of Education.
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Next, the Department of Education collects data and disseminates data that pertain to schools.
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Okay, we have plenty of think tanks and institutions that can do that.
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And many of the data that have been collected over the years, in fact, all the data, consistently
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have shown that since the founding of the Department of Education, American test scores
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You'd think the one thing that the Department of Education would be doing is improving test
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Third thing the Department of Education does, it enforces non-discrimination policies.
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And what do we mean by non-discrimination policies?
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Are we talking about, you know, Klansmen burning a cross at your local high school?
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That's not what the Department of Education deals with.
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When they say non-discrimination policy, they mean they force schools through, dear colleague
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letters, they force schools through all sorts of regulations to promote radical leftist ideology.
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They're talking about LGBTism, being taught in schools, K-12 and beyond.
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The kind of policies that were roundly rejected toward the very, very top of people's minds
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The Department of Education does very, very little good, if any good at all.
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Do you know how many people work for the Department of Education?
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That's actually a significant chunk of the U.S. federal budget.
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It's not just a little nothing department where if you eliminate it, you don't save any money.
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You could fund Ukraine for another five years, ten years with that kind of money.
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The case for dramatically reducing or just outright abolishing the Department of Ed
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Can you make me an argument, other than you're a leftist and you want to promote transgenderism
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in kindergarten or whatever, but can you give me a common sense argument that would actually
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appeal to people for keeping the Department of Education around, for keeping it as it is?
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They're learning despite the Department of Education.
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After President Trump's joint session address, Emmanuel Macron, the leader of France, he came
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out and he said, Europe cannot remain spectators.
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Now, before I get into this story, I'm going to be a spectator of my favorite comment of the
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That is from GrahamSmith7892, who says, I love how tempted I was to be anxious when I
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But once I heard the Michael Knowles theme song, all those thoughts went away.
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I'm so glad to hear that I could assuage your fears.
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But Padre Pio said, pray, hope, and don't worry.
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Macron, speaking of war, global affairs, Macron said, Europe cannot remain spectators to the
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war in Ukraine, that Europe needs drastic rearmament.
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He said he wants to believe that the United States will stay by our side, but we have to
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He said, the future of Europe does not have to be decided in Washington or Moscow.
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The threat is returning to the east, and the innocence of the last 30 years since the fall
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So he's saying, look, Trump might not be all in on Ukraine, and so we need to protect ourselves.
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That's what Trump has been asking for, for eight years.
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So Macron's saying, okay, Trump, I'll give you exactly what you want.
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Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov is so furious at Europe potentially re-arming,
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re-arming, re-arming, paying more for their security, getting more involved in Ukraine.
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Russia just came out and said that Macron was extremely confrontational, looking for the
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It can hardly be perceived as a speech by a peace-minded head of state.
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France is already ready to use its nuclear weapons for security and so on.
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This is a claim to nuclear leadership in Europe.
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I was told that Europe was not going to do what Trump said, couldn't do what Trump said,
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And Russia loved the notion that Europe was going to re-arm.
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Russia loved that America wasn't going to be the daddy to Europe anymore.
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But that's not, actually what we're seeing is the opposite.
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The chairman of the International Affairs Committee in the lower house of the Russian
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parliament, Leonid Slutsky, said that Macron is trying new Napoleonic armor on Versailles.
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But in any case, foreign minister of Russia, Sergei Lavrov, said, unlike his predecessors,
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who also sought to fight with Russia, Napoleon, Hitler, Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister,
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He's saying that Hitler and Napoleon were more diplomatic than Macron.
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Russia, making quite clear this is not what Russia wants.
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The Democrats, who accused Trump of being a Russian stooge, look like even bigger fools
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What you're going to hear from the foreign policy genius experts is that the sober-minded
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ones, the stupid ones are going to say, Trump's a stooge for Russia.
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Again, I don't see how you read these comments and come to that conclusion.
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But the sober-minded ones are going to say, well, this is the dismantling of the American
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Since World War II, we've been the hegemon in the world.
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But certainly, even during the Cold War, we were the leader of the West.
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And so the European nations were really just U.S. vassal states.
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We don't want them having their own militaries.
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But I don't know that this is really the dismantling of the American empire.
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I think the American empire was headed for a crash.
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If we tried to keep things up, if we tried to remain overextended, if we wanted to continue
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on our course of debt, now it's, what, 125% debt to GDP.
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If we wanted to continue to import the entire third world, if we wanted to continue to send
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our manufacturing even over to our enemies, yeah, then I think empire's fall, that is
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I think what you're seeing here, what Trump is doing, is not a dismantling of the American
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I think that's the best way to understand this.
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If you have a business, if you've ever worked in a business, if you've ever owned a small
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business, you know, sometimes you have really high times, boom times, and sometimes the
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And if you can see the business starting to fail, if you can see that you're going to
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have a cash problem, say, in six months or 12 months, then you need to start making decisions
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now that will allow you to get by those really bad times.
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You need to sometimes pull in some of your resources, battle down the hatches, prepare for
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difficult times, so that you can maintain your strength into the future.
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Because if you don't do anything until the very end, until the moment that you have to,
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the whole thing is going to come crumbling down.
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And I think it's no coincidence that Donald Trump is a businessman.
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And I think he is looking at the American empire like a failing business, because it is
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And he's saying, okay, look, I think America's greatest days are ahead.
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I don't want to disassemble this American empire.
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We need to get another genius businessman in and start restructuring how the government
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And then we've got to look overseas at our commitments.
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We're going to talk about taking back the Panama Canal and taking on Canada, the America's
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We're going to project strength, and we're going to plan for growth.
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But we are going to get our resources in line, and we're going to recognize that if we put
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all of our chips on, say, Ukraine or something like that, we might not be prepared for other
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conflicts that could be more significant, say, with China or someone else.
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Just a little bit of prudence, a little bit of that business acumen when you actually have
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Our politicians haven't thought about serious bottom lines or consequences in a while.
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Speaking of international controversies, the Tate brothers.
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I talked about this yesterday, a little bit, but I was cut off.
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And these guys, Andrew and Tristan, they're very famous.
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They became famous because they give young men advice on the internet, and they work out
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But they also say things that are very offensive about women.
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But they're not conservative, really, in any way.
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They're accused in Romania of sex trafficking, of pimping underage girls, and running a criminal
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And they've admitted on camera to pimping to, I think, Andrew was filmed or filmed himself
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beating a young woman, maybe even underage, on camera.
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But for a conservative, I don't care if it's consensual.
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You don't beat, especially not a really young woman.
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And so, anyway, there are all these cases in Romania.
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Ron DeSantis and the Attorney General in Florida say, we're going to open an investigation
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into the Tates for sex trafficking, for pimping, for whatever they've been doing.
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So, the Tates previously said, we're going to stay in America for a long time.
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It was a big coup when they were able to leave Romania, come to the States.
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Then they just announced yesterday, actually, we're going back to Romania.
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We're going back to Romania before DeSantis tries to lock us up.
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The Tates are arguing, and the Tates' defenders are arguing, that people are only trying to
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prosecute them because of the right-wing things they say, or because they have unfashionable
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For instance, they're opposed to the state of Israel.
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Maybe it's just a political lobby that's trying to get them.
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However, I guess even beyond the legal questions, I guess that'll all be sorted out.
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They'll be prosecuted in Romania, or the UK, or Florida.
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But my question is this, for the people who are defending the Tates, and for the Tates
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themselves, putting aside the criminal questions, and if they committed crimes, they'll serve
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their time, one hopes, have they ever expressed remorse and repentance for those things that
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Crimes according to statutes, or just immoral actions?
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Okay, have they expressed remorse for womanizing, for promoting pornography, for beating women
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on camera, for, I'm not even saying what they've done is a crime necessarily.
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Prosecutors are saying, I'm not saying, I don't know.
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Now, I'm all for people repenting, turning their lives around.
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But I guess my question for them, and for anyone defending them, is, have they repented?
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Even if they have, they might still have to pay their debt to society, you know, in a
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But I just need to know, from a cultural perspective, have they expressed regret and remorse and
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Actually, it's good to get married and to have children within wedlock, as is knowable from
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Not just physical virtue, which they obviously have some, you know, physical virtues and excellence
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I haven't seen evidence that they have, but if they have, great.
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Because if not, then what are people defending?
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But the Daily Wire, you know, continues to fight.
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The time is now to take on one of the woke left's biggest accomplishments.
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His trial was a sham, driven by media pressure, political threats, and mob justice.
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Derek's federal conviction was a disgrace, a political sacrifice to appease the mob.
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If you are serious about undoing the damage of the last four years, this fight has to be
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fought, and so the Daily Wire is advocating for a pardon for Derek Chauvin.
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If he hears from enough of us, if the president hears from enough of us, he might just do it.
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Again, launching a full-scale push for justice.
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We have delivered major victories, but the fight's not over.
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No, I am not signing a record deal and becoming a famous bassist like I always wanted.
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But for the first time in 10 years, I have worked up the confidence to start dating and found a potential girlfriend.
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Now I say potential because even though we have been going out for three months, she has said to me that she does not find me attractive, but enjoys my company and wants to continue to see me.
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This was the result of my last relationship and the girl who friend-zoned me ended up getting married to somebody else.
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My question to you is how does one get out of the friend zone and convince the other person to see someone as a potential life partner?
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Considering my options are very limited and my responses on dating sites are about as scarce as Reasons to Vote for a Democrat, also a best-selling book by Michael Knowles, pick up a copy today.
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I want to do everything in my power to ensure I am not waiting around another 10 years for a candidate to come, nor do I want to break up with this girl with no other options readily available.
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Well, I think you got to start pimping, you know, and take pick-up artist classes.
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Maybe I should try out, I should become the new Andrew Tate.
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Are you saying that your current girlfriend says that she's not attracted to you, but she wants to keep seeing you?
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Or are you saying that you had this girlfriend and she wasn't attracted to you and you broke up?
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So maybe I'll have to go back and listen to the tape.
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If it's the former, if the girl says, look, I'm not really that attracted to you, but I'd like the idea of dating you.
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It would probably be difficult for my ego to take it.
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But she is expressing a kind of attraction to you.
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She's saying, look, it's not like I'm getting the vapors because you're so physically hot, but she is attracted to you, obviously.
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Now, if it's that there was an ex-girlfriend who said that to you, okay, or a friend who said that to you, how do you get out of the friend zone?
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You're not going to, probably you're not going to convince a girl who has friendzoned you to unfriendzone you.
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Stranger things have happened, but it might be tough.
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And if she said, look, I'm really not, it's really not going to happen, probably I would move on.
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So you say, dating sites aren't great, you know, but so what would I do if it were me?
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I guess I would just think of it very clinically.
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You meet people at parties, at the gatherings of your friends and family.
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Don't date your family, but you can date your friends of family members or friends of friends.
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You know, whether you're in a cigar club, probably not going to meet too many women there.
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Or if you're in a political club or wherever, meet people there.
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And then, let's say that that brings you to 10 people.
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You then have to remember those 10 people also have social circles.
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Just as you're enlisting me right now to give you advice, I would enlist them to introduce you to a woman.
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Because I think real flesh and blood meetings and experiences and relationships are more conducive to results, in my experience.
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But then I would pray your friends and say, hey, friends, family, co-workers, whoever.
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When St. Athanasius discusses the Pope's defection from orthodoxy during the Arian crisis, he's completely unbothered by it.
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There's no hand-wringing over infallibility, over obedience, over primacy.
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It's worth a paragraph of his time in his history on the Arian crisis, and then he moves on.
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Today, such a defection by the Pope would cause Catholics to freak out over any number of doctrines.
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How do we as a church get back to the point where we can be as unbothered by papal shortcomings as St. Athanasius was?
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You have to return either to your physical origins or at least your spiritual origins in the Mediterranean.
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That's what you have to do, and I'm only being a little bit cute about it.
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I once, it's funny, Charlie Kirk asked me this one time, and I was, people were upset because I gave him kind of a cute answer on it, but there's actually a lot of truth to that cute answer.
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Where Charlie said, you know, the Pope is terrible, and he said all these terrible things, and he couldn't name any of the terrible things.
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And most people who really freak out about what any Pope, this Pope or any other says, they often can't point to exactly what he said.
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But there's this sense that, oh no, the Pope's saying terrible things, and this is a huge problem.
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You say, look, I'm not saying it's not a problem.
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Even when the Pope says genuinely terrible things, like during the Aryan crisis, people denying the divinity of Christ.
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But, you know, he's not a totalitarian dictator, the Pope.
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Okay, and so, you know, the Anglos are very, you know, they take things very, very seriously.
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But the Mediterranean approach is, oh, what did the Papa say?
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Oh, okay, well, is it a bit, you just kind of said it to like a journalist?
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Okay, well, all right, maybe I got a little wax into my ears.
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I don't know, maybe I didn't quite hear that so much.
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I don't mean to doubt, it matters if the Pope were to say something that's genuinely contrary to the faith.
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And really to hammer it home, and the Pope does have a lot of power.
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But the Church measures her life in centuries and millennia, not in tweets and errant phrases to liberal journalists.
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I am one of those all-too-rare Southern Baptist women who is opposed to birth control both for health reasons and theological ones.
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Recently, I have stern to engage in casual conversation with my friends about it to provoke thought about the theological aspects of it that I had never considered until relatively recently.
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In doing so, I have observed an interesting phenomenon.
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The men I know are willing to have a thoughtful conversation about the theological ramifications of birth control, but virtually none of the women are even willing to talk about it.
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These are pro-life Christian women who love children, but if I even mention that I have been rethinking this issue, they get visibly uncomfortable and very quickly change the subject.
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Seeing as how this is a topic that you speak about fairly frequently, I was curious if you have experienced the same phenomenon and would love to hear both insight into why you think this may be, as well as any advice for approaching the topic in a winsome manner.
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