The Michael Knowles Show - May 05, 2025


Ep. 1728 - The Internet Raises 500K for Viral ＂N-Word＂ Mom


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A woman in Minnesota allegedly called a 5-year-old boy the N-word. A Somali man was charged with child rape for filming it. Who's in the right and who s in the wrong? Who's the real victim here?

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00:00:30.320 A black child on a playground in Minnesota stole stuff from a white toddler,
00:00:35.200 which prompted the white toddler's mother to call the black child the N-word,
00:00:39.660 after which a Somali man charged with child rape filmed the woman,
00:00:44.060 who was subsequently threatened and doxxed,
00:00:46.580 after which people on the internet gave her half a million dollars.
00:00:49.700 Who's in the right? Who's in the wrong?
00:00:52.620 I have compiled the best arguments from black Marxists, a white supremacist, 1.00
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00:01:00.300 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:03:17.220 The N-word story.
00:03:19.400 The N-word.
00:03:20.400 You know, I have a whole chapter in my book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.
00:03:25.000 Wow, that was fast.
00:03:26.240 I hadn't mentioned it in a while, so I didn't know if you were going to have the bell on cue.
00:03:29.300 That was good.
00:03:29.740 That's very impressive, guys.
00:03:30.640 I have a whole chapter in my book about the N-word, which I point out in the book is spoken of with the same taboo and awe and reverence as the unpronounceable name of God was by the ancient Israelites.
00:03:45.540 But there is legitimately a taboo in the country.
00:03:48.340 It's really the one word that you're not allowed to say, and this woman called a five-year-old kid that.
00:03:53.180 Now, the five-year-old kid allegedly was rifling through the woman's bag and stole something from the woman's 18-month-old.
00:03:59.880 And then the story gets even weirder because a Somali guy starts filming her and says, did you just call that kid the N-word?
00:04:07.960 But the Somali guy was reportedly charged with raping a 16-year-old girl in 2023.
00:04:13.780 So you have an alleged child rapist filming this woman trying to harass and dox her for calling a five-year-old a really nasty racial slur, and then the internet raised half a million dollars for her.
00:04:28.900 So what's this all about?
00:04:30.060 I will tell you what this is not about.
00:04:32.760 This incident or the fundraising for this incident has absolutely nothing to do with a woman calling a child the N-word.
00:04:42.600 That's the one thing that is completely certain about this story.
00:04:47.820 There is not one person who is defending calling a five-year-old child a nasty racial slur.
00:04:55.220 It has nothing to do with that.
00:04:57.200 This whole incident is about two things.
00:05:00.600 It's about immigration, and it's about Austin Metcalf.
00:05:04.760 And maybe I should flip that order.
00:05:06.440 I think primarily it's about Austin Metcalf because Austin Metcalf's alleged killer, you remember Austin Metcalf?
00:05:16.140 He's the teenager who was a football star who was looking forward to great big things in his future.
00:05:22.220 And then a black student allegedly stabbed him in the chest and murdered him on the spot because Austin Metcalf asked the boy to get out of his seat.
00:05:30.360 And then the black kid who was charged with murdering the white kid raised half a million dollars for murdering the white kid. 0.62
00:05:38.300 This is a reaction to that.
00:05:41.520 That's what this is about.
00:05:43.880 That's almost entirely what it's about.
00:05:46.180 It is also about, to a lesser degree, immigration.
00:05:49.260 This is a Minnesota woman who is being filmed by a Somali alleged child rapist.
00:05:56.920 And there has been a mass migration of Somalis who do not exactly assimilate generally into lily white Midwestern Minnesota.
00:06:08.220 And that has created racial and cultural tension.
00:06:11.120 If a bunch of Minnesotans moved to Somalia, guess what?
00:06:14.800 There would be racial and cultural tension there too.
00:06:17.020 That is an inevitable fact of the world and the diversity of peoples and migration and polities.
00:06:23.280 That's just how it works.
00:06:25.140 And so it exploded in this viral, wild incident of a woman calling a five-year-old the N-word, which no one would ever justify.
00:06:32.440 But given the broader racial and cultural circumstances around it, the internet gave her half a million bucks.
00:06:38.340 If a black kid can raise half a million bucks or more for murdering a white kid, says the internet, then this white lady can raise half a million bucks for calling a five-year-old kid a nasty word. 1.00
00:06:50.640 That's the argument.
00:06:52.600 And this is the inevitable consequence of the liberals demanding racial conscious politics.
00:06:59.240 That's really what it's about.
00:07:01.200 If BLM, BLM led by Marxists, says we are going to have an explicitly racially conscious politics.
00:07:09.140 BLM wasn't the first group to suggest this on the left. 0.84
00:07:11.420 That's been true for many decades now.
00:07:13.340 BLM really perfected it. 1.00
00:07:14.820 BLM became the apotheosis of leftist racial politics. 1.00
00:07:18.500 BLM says it's all about race. 0.99
00:07:20.220 Black people good.
00:07:20.960 White people bad. 1.00
00:07:21.880 Give black people everything.
00:07:23.420 White people deserve nothing. 1.00
00:07:24.840 We need to abolish whiteness. 1.00
00:07:25.940 Well, okay, if that's the argument, then there is going to be a white racial consciousness too, at least to some degree.
00:07:33.140 There's a Pew research study that came out, this is some years ago now, asked whether race is somewhat or very important to people of different races.
00:07:43.520 Black people said, 70% plus of black people said race was somewhat or very important to their identity.
00:07:50.320 Over 50% of Hispanic people and Asian people said race is somewhat or very important to their identity.
00:07:55.380 Only 15% of white people said that.
00:07:57.600 White people do not have a racial consciousness, certainly did not when that study was undertaken.
00:08:04.180 Post-BLM, post-Austin Metcalfe murder, post all of these incidents, post-DEI, post all of this insistence on racial politics from the left, maybe that's changing.
00:08:14.940 Maybe this incident is evidence of that changing.
00:08:18.100 There was a popular syndicated columnist in the 90s and 2000s, Sam Francis, who ended up becoming a white supremacist, actually.
00:08:26.060 But he was a mainstream columnist for a long time.
00:08:29.260 And he said, if the left is going to insist on racial consciousness, then there's going to be a white racial consciousness, period, end of story.
00:08:35.700 And that does seem to be a fact of politics.
00:08:38.740 You know, if the left insists on something and the right doesn't want that thing, but the left keeps insisting on it and the left gets a vote because the left is half of our political order, then you know what?
00:08:49.540 They're going to get it, okay?
00:08:50.880 If you ask for it long enough, you're going to get it.
00:08:54.200 You might not like what you get.
00:08:55.640 You might not like this.
00:08:56.440 You might think this is a kind of ugly scene.
00:08:57.880 I think most people think this is an ugly scene.
00:08:59.440 But what do you expect?
00:09:01.200 It is simply not politically stable for every race to have a racial consciousness that they are told increasingly is important and essential to politics and then have just one race not cultivate a racial consciousness.
00:09:14.600 It's just not sustainable.
00:09:17.020 And it's the left's fault, but there you have it.
00:09:19.320 So then the question becomes, how should conservatives think about race?
00:09:26.400 What should the conservative attitude toward race be?
00:09:30.300 It seems that there are two poles.
00:09:32.360 On the one hand, you have the people who say there's no such thing as race.
00:09:35.040 Race is totally socially constructed. 0.82
00:09:36.660 There's only one race, the human race. 0.60
00:09:38.320 On the other hand, you have people who say race is everything and the purity of our blood is the most important thing in politics.
00:09:46.620 And what should the conservative attitude toward race be?
00:09:50.200 It seems to me that proper love of one's own is good if it is rightly ordered, if it is in the service of the love of God.
00:10:03.120 We've been talking a lot about the ordo amoris, the order of love, the ordo caritatis, the order of charity.
00:10:09.100 J.D. Vance kind of brought that discussion into the popular consciousness.
00:10:12.140 Well, if we acknowledge that it is fine to have a special love of one's own family over other people's families, then if you extend that out, it seems perfectly reasonable to have a proper love of one's own tribe over or in a special relation to other tribes.
00:10:31.500 If an Italian-American, it's a grand slam, I don't know, if an Italian-American wins some award or something, and I say, attaboy, good job, Dino, that's right, you're making us proud.
00:10:42.640 There's nothing wrong with that.
00:10:45.760 If that special love of one's own becomes an excuse for deriding or hating some other group, that would seem to be a problem.
00:10:58.260 If the love of one's own, one's own race, one's own nation, one's own geography, one's own occupation, one's own anything, if the love of one's own becomes an end in itself rather than an instrument toward proper love, which leads to the highest love, the love of God, then that becomes a problem because then that becomes an idol.
00:11:22.360 And this is not just an isolated incident when we're talking about a playground in Minnesota, it's not even isolated only when we're talking about race.
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00:12:57.300 Do we love the nation?
00:12:58.620 Do we love America?
00:12:59.520 Are we America first?
00:13:01.320 Or are we citizens of the world, man?
00:13:04.500 And we oppose that nasty nationalism, that jingoism, that chauvinism, and we don't.
00:13:09.440 I make no distinction between an American and a Tibetan.
00:13:11.980 No, sir.
00:13:12.920 I'm a citizen of the world, kumbaya.
00:13:17.240 Well, it seems perfectly right and proper to have a healthy love of one's own nation, but not to the exclusion of other nations.
00:13:28.260 Not to the detriment of other nations.
00:13:30.420 I was reading an excellent book, coincidentally, over the weekend.
00:13:33.040 A friend gave me this book.
00:13:34.340 It's called Christian Orthodox Political Philosophy.
00:13:37.000 It's by an Eastern Orthodox writer, Pavlos Kipriano.
00:13:40.960 And he pointed out, he said, nations are real things, and it's perfectly good to love a nation.
00:13:48.540 But in the Christian understanding, your love of your own nation should impel a greater love of the rest of the world.
00:13:56.740 It should help you toward loving the rest of the world.
00:13:59.180 I know my nation.
00:14:00.120 I love my nation.
00:14:01.100 And that helps me to understand the love that I should have for the rest of the world.
00:14:04.420 Some people, though, do the opposite.
00:14:06.220 They say, I love my nation, and I only love my nation, and I hate every other nation.
00:14:10.220 I love my family.
00:14:12.280 I hate every other family.
00:14:13.200 I love my race.
00:14:13.860 I hate every other race. 1.00
00:14:14.740 That is quite wrong.
00:14:15.900 In fact, I have a quote here from this book.
00:14:17.320 Really good book.
00:14:18.800 Quote, just as the family and marriage, which did not exist before the fall, can be sanctified, so can the nation.
00:14:26.480 The right attitude is to love our nation in response to Christ's commandment to love our neighbor.
00:14:31.880 However, in the absence of divine grace, the nation and nationalism can even reach levels of satanic idolatry, as seen in Nazism, where everything was allowed and justified, even genocide, for the sake of the nation and racial purity. 0.65
00:14:46.960 And the irony, the Nazis are a great example of this, of making an idol out of the nation and so becoming a satanic perversion of the order of love. 0.88
00:14:54.500 But the irony of this is this is exactly the error that the Jewish high priests make in the passion. 0.58
00:15:03.660 The Jewish high priests and the mob make in the passion. 0.93
00:15:07.020 Because what the high priests do is they place the nation above God.
00:15:12.340 They turn on Christ, the son of God, God himself, and they choose the nation.
00:15:19.840 Better that one man should die is the line.
00:15:23.280 You even see this in the choice between Jesus and Barabbas. 0.53
00:15:27.820 When Pontius Pilate says, okay, I'm going to give you one of your criminals to the mob led by the high priests.
00:15:33.660 He says, you're going to have either Jesus or Barabbas.
00:15:36.360 These are parallel visions.
00:15:39.500 Christ, the son of the father, the true son of the father, and Barabbas, which literally means son of the father.
00:15:45.920 Except Barabbas is a political revolutionary.
00:15:49.200 He was in jail for leading an insurrection, a revolt, a riot against the Roman authorities.
00:15:53.860 Christ says, my kingdom is not of this world.
00:15:56.280 Ironically, he is accused of doing the thing that Barabbas does, and then they say, give me Barabbas.
00:16:00.480 But these are two visions.
00:16:01.900 The purely political, the idol of the nation in Barabbas, and the ultimate kingdom, the mystical body in Christ.
00:16:14.140 And the error is placing the nation above God.
00:16:18.540 Well, that's exactly the error that the Nazis make. 0.81
00:16:20.540 That's exactly the error that many people have made throughout history.
00:16:23.700 Many Christians have made.
00:16:24.580 Many people of every background and religious view have made.
00:16:27.680 Love for all of these views, for all of these goods, rather, including the supreme good of God, has to be, in this very good book, which I recommend, authenticated by the love of neighbor.
00:16:41.900 However, it's fine to have a special love of one's own, of one's own family, one's own nation, one's own race, one's own occupation, one's own hobby groups.
00:16:53.060 It's perfectly fine to have a proper love of the things that are closest to us.
00:16:57.040 But they have to be in service of the love of God.
00:17:01.900 And these loves are authenticated by the love of neighbor.
00:17:06.100 That's the way we ought to think about it, which is a rebuke, certainly to the left, but it's a rebuke of elements of the right as well.
00:17:13.380 And it's why the only way that we can understand these things is in the context of Christian theology, which is, of course, the only way we can understand our civilization because our civilization was built by the church.
00:17:26.980 So, as we move in a post-Christian civilization, as some people call it, things can get very nasty. 0.98
00:17:40.180 And so, you know, while the left wrings its hands over Christian nationalism, we warn.
00:17:44.520 We say, hey, if you think Christian nationalism is bad, just wait till you find out about unchristian nationalism. 0.98
00:17:49.160 If you think the religious right is bad, just wait till you hear about the irreligious right. 0.78
00:17:52.280 It's a lot worse.
00:17:52.880 Now, on this point of religion, we have the next biggest controversy of the weekend, which is that President Trump tweeted out a picture of himself as the pope.
00:18:01.860 And I shouldn't laugh, but it's him sitting there.
00:18:06.500 He's got the pope hat on, the mitre, and he's got the papal vestments.
00:18:12.380 He's sitting in the throne.
00:18:13.300 He's got the cross necklace.
00:18:15.860 Okay.
00:18:16.900 Should we be offended?
00:18:18.960 Should we laugh?
00:18:21.320 Should we?
00:18:21.720 Is this terrible?
00:18:22.420 Is Trump really anti-Catholic?
00:18:25.180 What are we supposed to do here?
00:18:26.420 Governor Kathy Hochul of New York says, as a Catholic, I'm very, very offended.
00:18:31.540 Kathy Hochul, who ratifies the slaughter of babies in her state, who ratifies all the excesses of leftism, who ratifies the gender ideology, who ratifies the redefinition of marriage.
00:18:44.920 No, no, no.
00:18:45.260 Now, this is too far.
00:18:46.440 This is what offends her as a Catholic. 0.99
00:18:47.840 Eric, we do not want to reduce religious things to jokes.
00:18:55.240 We don't.
00:18:56.380 We don't want to make jokes about God.
00:18:58.620 We don't want to make jokes about the saints.
00:19:00.620 We don't.
00:19:00.880 We don't.
00:19:01.420 When you're examining your conscience and you go into confession, one of the things you have
00:19:06.340 to examine and confess is if you make profane or vulgar jokes about religious things, because
00:19:11.560 you don't want to reduce religious things to jokes, okay?
00:19:15.380 Most of us have done it at some point, okay?
00:19:17.320 And, in fact, most conservative Catholics I know have at some point at least considered
00:19:22.840 or outright made the joke about Trump becoming Pope.
00:19:25.800 Ah, yes.
00:19:26.480 What should happen at the next conclave?
00:19:27.940 Maybe we'll have Donaldus Magnus.
00:19:29.740 Is he eligible?
00:19:30.820 I'm not quite sure.
00:19:31.740 Most of us have made some kind of joke like that.
00:19:34.760 It is not to be recommended to make jokes about religious things, to reduce religious
00:19:38.680 things to jokes.
00:19:40.080 However, all that said, Trump clearly meant no offense.
00:19:44.660 He is one of the most explicitly pro-Catholic presidents we've ever had in a country that
00:19:49.880 has been anti-Catholic for a long time.
00:19:53.320 Trump visited the national shrine, St. John Paul II.
00:19:56.980 His wife is Catholic.
00:19:58.720 He picked a Catholic vice president.
00:20:02.380 Some would say maybe our first practicing Catholic vice president.
00:20:05.940 Am I offended as a Catholic?
00:20:07.720 As Governor Hochul demands that I be.
00:20:09.960 You know, call me crazy, but I am more offended by the previous president who calls himself
00:20:17.980 a Catholic, who sued nuns, was vice president in an administration that sued nuns for being
00:20:26.320 Catholic.
00:20:27.580 A lot of people don't even remember that from the Obama admin.
00:20:30.560 The president who, while he was president, spied on Catholic parishes and likened them to
00:20:36.080 domestic terrorists, who knows, might have spied on my parish.
00:20:41.060 The president who imprisoned pro-lifers, disproportionately Catholic, for praying,
00:20:46.820 for demonstrating, for being pro-life.
00:20:49.580 The president who supported the wholesale slaughter of millions of babies.
00:20:54.880 The president who tried to redefine marriage.
00:20:57.200 I'm more, call me crazy, but even just that, marriage being the symbol of Christ's love for
00:21:04.600 his church, to say nothing of the gender ideology and the explicit persecution of Catholics.
00:21:11.980 I'm a little more offended by that.
00:21:14.240 And I think that these comments from putative Catholics like Governor Hochul, I think they're 0.62
00:21:19.360 a little disingenuous.
00:21:20.980 I'm not going to lose much sleep over that.
00:21:23.380 So, speaking of President Trump, he has now directly addressed something that has been
00:21:28.940 driving the left crazy, which is the prospect of Trump running for a third term.
00:21:35.740 And Steve Bannon has been fueling this fire.
00:21:37.640 He said Trump's going to run for a third term.
00:21:38.920 He's going to win a third term.
00:21:40.340 Trump himself is selling Trump 2028 hats on the website.
00:21:43.580 And he was asked this question by NBC News.
00:21:47.100 Here's his answer.
00:21:47.720 The Trump Organization is selling hats that say Trump 2028.
00:21:53.500 Yeah.
00:21:54.220 Are you seriously considering a third term, Mr. President, even though it's prohibited
00:21:59.380 by the Constitution?
00:22:00.320 Or is this about staying politically viable?
00:22:02.640 I will say this.
00:22:04.520 So many people want me to do it.
00:22:06.460 I have never had requests so strong as that.
00:22:10.340 But it's something that, to the best of my knowledge, you're not allowed to do.
00:22:13.920 I don't know if that's constitutional, that they're not allowing you to do it or anything
00:22:18.140 else.
00:22:18.580 But there are many people selling the 2028 hat.
00:22:22.540 But this is not something I'm looking to do.
00:22:24.860 I'm looking to have four great years and turn it over to somebody, ideally a great Republican,
00:22:32.080 a great Republican to carry it forward.
00:22:34.260 But I think we're going to have four years, and I think four years is plenty of time to
00:22:37.880 do something really spectacular.
00:22:39.940 I love it.
00:22:40.540 I love the whole thing.
00:22:43.140 As I said from the beginning when Trump started talking about the third term in 2028 and the
00:22:48.860 libs were losing their mind, I said, you guys, you're just exposing yourselves for not
00:22:53.780 understanding anything about our political moment.
00:22:55.960 You're just not.
00:22:56.860 All these left-wing political analysts were pointing out.
00:22:59.280 They were revealing that their analysis was just totally worthless.
00:23:01.880 As I said, it's obvious what Trump is doing here.
00:23:04.600 Trump is, in principle, a lame duck right now.
00:23:06.820 It's a little weird because his second term is non-consecutive.
00:23:09.400 But if this were a consecutive second term, people would be calling him a lame duck.
00:23:14.440 He doesn't want to be a lame duck.
00:23:15.720 So he's dangling out this red meat here and saying, well, maybe I'll run for a third term. 0.99
00:23:21.700 And the libs are all going for it. 0.98
00:23:23.160 It's not red meat.
00:23:23.940 It's catnip, really.
00:23:24.700 And all these little cats go running for it. 0.98
00:23:26.820 But I said, I wouldn't worry about it, folks.
00:23:28.740 And then the way he's talking, he says, well, you know, look, what's my answer on the third
00:23:32.680 term?
00:23:33.100 Many people are asking me.
00:23:34.720 Look, many people are selling Trump 2028 hats, including him.
00:23:38.380 He leaves that part out.
00:23:39.940 And look, many.
00:23:40.800 And I don't know.
00:23:41.620 Is it maybe it's a constitutional thing?
00:23:44.000 And there are going to be people, the people who think that Trump is stupid, that the handful
00:23:47.640 of people who are so thick headed that they can still convince themselves that Trump
00:23:51.120 is stupid. 0.93
00:23:53.260 They're going to believe that he's serious here when he's playing.
00:23:55.920 I don't know.
00:23:56.400 Is it in the Constitution?
00:23:57.380 I don't know.
00:23:58.020 Have you guys seen that?
00:23:58.960 I don't know.
00:23:59.120 Who knows?
00:24:00.320 But then he comes to this point.
00:24:01.280 He says, but look, I think we're going to get it done in four years.
00:24:06.040 OK, they're going to still be libs out there who say, oh, no, he's a dictator.
00:24:10.200 He's going to he's going to abolish elections.
00:24:12.680 And I when you hear people say that now, that's a very helpful little tool, because whenever
00:24:19.140 you hear someone say Trump, he's going to have a third term and it's going to end the
00:24:22.700 republic and this just know that person's analysis is so obviously wrong.
00:24:29.420 You don't need to listen to a word that they have to say.
00:24:31.760 But now Trump says, I want to turn it over to someone who is his successor going to be?
00:24:35.920 He's asked that question.
00:24:37.160 He gives an answer.
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00:25:53.620 Mr. Trump, you say you're going to hand it over to a successor.
00:25:55.860 Who will the successor be?
00:25:57.380 Here's his answer.
00:25:58.780 As we sit here today, who do you see as your successor, Mr. President?
00:26:02.640 Well, it's far too early to say that.
00:26:05.560 But I do have a vice president and typically it would be and JD's doing a fantastic job.
00:26:10.700 He would be at the top of the list.
00:26:11.900 It could very well be.
00:26:13.620 I don't want to get involved in that.
00:26:15.680 I think he's a fantastic, brilliant guy.
00:26:19.040 Marco is great.
00:26:20.140 There's a lot of them that are great.
00:26:21.480 But I also see tremendous unity.
00:26:25.160 Okay.
00:26:25.740 You know how much I hate to say I told you so.
00:26:27.520 I feel so, I just feel so vindicated.
00:26:31.500 Every day that passes for the Trump administration, I feel so vindicated because I've been giving
00:26:37.040 my analysis, making arguments, often defenses, usually defenses of President Trump for 10
00:26:41.740 years now.
00:26:42.380 And the left calls me crazy.
00:26:44.460 And the right, some people on the right call me crazy.
00:26:46.860 And I was just so right.
00:26:51.480 Even early on, after Trump was elected, this time around, and he refused to name JD Vance
00:26:59.160 as his successor.
00:27:00.800 He just left it at that.
00:27:01.600 I'm not willing to name JD Vance as my successor.
00:27:04.600 People said, oh, is he throwing shade at JD?
00:27:06.640 Oh, is this?
00:27:06.920 And I said, look, this is just good management.
00:27:09.660 He has a lot of very ambitious people who are working for them and he has to keep them
00:27:13.460 all plugged in.
00:27:15.860 He needs to keep them all incentivized to do a good job.
00:27:17.880 And I specifically said, think about Marco Rubio.
00:27:20.080 If Trump comes out now and says, JD is my successor, Marco Rubio has no reason to do a
00:27:24.720 good job as Secretary of State.
00:27:25.700 He has no reason to even retain the job because he's only doing the Secretary of State job because
00:27:29.220 he knows it's going to give him a leg up to run for president in 2028.
00:27:32.600 So he's just, he's got to manage all those other people.
00:27:35.300 It's not a slight on JD.
00:27:37.140 It's a way to keep the other people engaged.
00:27:39.120 And then in this answer, Trump says exactly that.
00:27:43.580 Right after he told him, look, I think JD is great and everything.
00:27:46.300 But you know, Marco's great too.
00:27:47.520 He has to go to Marco because Marco Rubio has already run for president.
00:27:50.620 He ran for president against Donald Trump.
00:27:52.240 It actually got pretty nasty in 2016.
00:27:55.580 But he's the Secretary of State now.
00:27:57.020 It's a really important job and he's got to keep them incentivized.
00:27:59.300 And there are other people too.
00:28:00.620 Tulsi Gabbard ran for president.
00:28:02.720 She's now DNI.
00:28:04.080 He wants to keep her engaged.
00:28:06.200 Pete Hexeth could run for president after this, after being Secretary of Defense.
00:28:09.640 There are plenty of other people who could run and he's got to keep them engaged.
00:28:12.040 If the whole point is to say, I'm not a lame duck yet, then he's got to say, one, maybe
00:28:19.480 I'll run for a third term.
00:28:20.760 And two, I'm not going to pick my successor.
00:28:22.760 Because the minute he picks his successor, all of the political focus goes to that person.
00:28:26.940 All the power goes to that person.
00:28:28.700 Trump loses power.
00:28:29.580 He's too smart.
00:28:30.140 He's not going to do that.
00:28:31.740 Now, speaking of political succession, Germany, the German government has just ruled to suppress
00:28:39.500 the most popular political party in the country.
00:28:43.320 How'd they do that?
00:28:44.200 Hold on.
00:28:44.940 In their sacred democracy, how did the government rule to suppress the most popular political
00:28:50.200 party in the country?
00:28:51.300 Well, the supposedly independent federal office for the protection of the constituent, which
00:28:58.660 reports directly to the interior ministry of the civilian government, ruled that the AFD,
00:29:04.540 the Alternative for Deutschland Party, is a right-wing extremist organization.
00:29:10.180 Most popular party in the country, right-wing extremist organization, which will allow the 1.00
00:29:16.080 state, by this classification, to surveil the party.
00:29:22.260 It will allow the state to observe its meetings.
00:29:26.340 It will allow the state to wiretap the party and related party communications.
00:29:32.600 It's basically saying, you were the most popular political party in the country, and because
00:29:39.020 of our firewall against what we call the far right, we are going to exclude you from the
00:29:44.620 government.
00:29:45.520 Don't forget, it's not just two parties in Germany.
00:29:48.080 It's like the rest of Europe.
00:29:49.000 It's lots of little parties.
00:29:49.920 And so you could have the lion's share of the public support, but be totally kept out of
00:29:54.880 the government.
00:29:55.720 The supposed conservatives would rather make an alliance with the liberals and the far
00:29:59.980 left than they would with the supposedly far right party.
00:30:02.840 Mind you also, the supposedly far right party, Alternative for Deutschland, is led by a lesbian 0.98
00:30:08.160 libertarian who has publicly said that Hitler was a communist.
00:30:12.160 Okay, so not exactly the second coming of der Fuhrer, okay?
00:30:19.060 A lesbian libertarian who makes arguments from the mainstream of American politics saying
00:30:25.120 that the Nazis were on the left or whatever.
00:30:27.020 That party is too far right for Germany.
00:30:32.120 What does it mean?
00:30:32.900 It means liberalism can be just as authoritarian as any other political ideology and any other
00:30:42.140 type of regime.
00:30:43.820 Liberalism, which says that it's the opposite of authoritarian, which makes authoritarianism
00:30:50.960 the worst enemy.
00:30:54.580 Liberalism itself can be very authoritarian and increasingly can be totalitarian.
00:30:59.340 What's the difference between authoritarian and totalitarian?
00:31:02.980 Authoritarian says, hey, you can't do this, you can't do that, and we're going to leave
00:31:10.600 you alone.
00:31:12.200 Authoritarian is like Francisco Franco.
00:31:14.340 Francisco Franco in Spain, who says, you can't kill priests, you can't rape nuns, you
00:31:19.740 got to recognize it's a Christian country, we're going to kick the Bolsheviks out of Iberia, 0.98
00:31:24.060 sorry Soviet Union, you don't get to take over Spain and the rest of Iberia, but as long 0.97
00:31:29.160 as you play by the rules, we're not going to get involved in your personal life.
00:31:32.540 Do basically whatever you want, but just recognize there are some limits here, and we're going
00:31:36.660 to say no to certain things.
00:31:38.560 Versus totalitarian, a system like communist Soviet Russia or like Nazi Germany, which infiltrates
00:31:48.580 every element of society, nothing is immune or kept off from the political ideology.
00:31:58.140 So it goes down into the civic organizations, it goes down into employment, it goes down
00:32:01.780 into the family, you have neighbors ratting on neighbors, you have kids ratting on parents.
00:32:05.920 It's totalizing.
00:32:08.060 Those are very different things.
00:32:10.980 And liberalism can be either.
00:32:12.680 Liberalism can be authoritarian, just explicitly from the government saying, nope, can't do
00:32:18.000 this.
00:32:18.520 German government says, nope, you guys want to vote for the kind of right-wing, kind of
00:32:23.100 libertarian, but kind of right-wing party, alternative for Deutschland.
00:32:25.940 Nope, you're not allowed to do that.
00:32:27.480 Sorry, vote for someone else.
00:32:28.800 That's authoritarian.
00:32:30.800 But liberalism can also be totalitarian.
00:32:34.300 Liberalism can also come out and say, hey, parents, you have no right to your kids' education.
00:32:38.060 Hey, parents, if you won't castrate your children according to our whims, we're going to take 0.98
00:32:41.800 your kids away from you.
00:32:43.700 Hey, parents, if you oppose the excesses of liberal racial ideology, we're going to liken 0.92
00:32:50.680 you to domestic terrorists. 0.57
00:32:52.180 We're going to spy on you.
00:32:53.200 We're going to poison your kids against you. 0.95
00:32:54.960 We're going to teach your kids from a very young age to turn on you.
00:33:00.040 And we might just take them away entirely.
00:33:01.780 That's totalitarian.
00:33:03.960 Liberalism can be both.
00:33:06.240 The one thing that liberalism cannot be is what it purports to be, which is the alternative
00:33:10.140 to those things.
00:33:11.800 It's not an alternative to authoritarianism or to totalitarianism.
00:33:15.400 It is just as heavy-handed, if not more heavy-handed, than the alternatives.
00:33:19.940 No wonder Deutschland wants an alternative to liberalism.
00:33:24.140 Speaking of crumbling liberal hegemony, some good news from the Washington Post.
00:33:30.680 A headline, three years after the Dobbs leak, Democrats have moved beyond abortion.
00:33:35.560 So, just the first two, three paragraphs.
00:33:40.360 Three years after a leak revealed the Supreme Court's thinking ahead of a decision overturning
00:33:43.880 abortion rights.
00:33:45.060 So, there's no right to kill a baby, but whatever.
00:33:47.440 It's the Washington Post.
00:33:48.680 The issue's preeminence has faded into the background of an American political landscape
00:33:53.740 transformed by President Donald Trump.
00:33:56.200 Facing an administration that is dismantling federal agencies and fighting court orders
00:34:02.080 on deportations, Democrats have focused their political fire on other issues.
00:34:06.160 This comes after a more than two-and-a-half-year run of saturation messaging on threats to
00:34:11.380 reproductive rights, that is, killing babies, that was followed by some big victories, but 1.00
00:34:15.580 also surprising losses.
00:34:17.920 Most Democrats still view abortion rights, quote-unquote, as a cornerstone of party orthodoxy,
00:34:22.660 embraced by the majority of voters.
00:34:25.000 But, they also consider it essential for the party to expand beyond that cultural issue.
00:34:29.420 So, here you have WAPO, liberal newspaper par excellence, saying, look, abortion, the
00:34:35.360 right, the supposed right to kill a baby is still really important, still so super-duper
00:34:39.260 popular.
00:34:39.960 Most voters really want to kill all the babies. 1.00
00:34:42.240 They really love it.
00:34:43.120 I mean, it's super, Democrats didn't do anything wrong, but we Democrats, we're going
00:34:46.980 to focus on some other things right now.
00:34:49.960 Yeah, yeah, you probably should.
00:34:51.460 Now, of course, if abortion were really super-duper popular, you wouldn't focus on other things.
00:34:55.500 Your saturation messaging would have worked, and you would have won the 2024 election.
00:34:58.500 But, it doesn't work, because most people aren't psychos who want to slaughter babies
00:35:01.640 left and right.
00:35:03.240 So, the Democrats are acknowledging, shoot, we lost it.
00:35:07.300 Now, it's important to give the devils their due.
00:35:12.160 The abortion message did work, especially immediately after that leak, that illegal leak that almost 0.76
00:35:17.740 got conservative Supreme Court justices murdered.
00:35:19.700 Alito, and especially Kavanaugh, because the libs are doing their best to stop this decision
00:35:25.440 from coming out.
00:35:26.140 Why?
00:35:26.720 Why did they want to stop the decision from coming out?
00:35:30.060 If the public opinion were just permanently fixed in favor of killing babies, then they
00:35:34.660 should have wanted the Dobbs decision to come out.
00:35:37.140 They should have wanted the conservatives to supposedly overplay their hand on abortion
00:35:41.340 rights, because then the Democrats would have won every election after that, right?
00:35:45.500 Well, what the Democrats knew at the time, and what we should know now, we conservatives
00:35:50.820 need to keep in mind, is political victories, judicial victories, transform the political
00:35:58.060 calculation, transform public opinion.
00:36:01.960 When that Dobbs decision was leaked, I'm sure there were a ton of people who thought, this
00:36:06.620 is really bad.
00:36:07.580 We can't let them get rid of Roe v. Wade.
00:36:09.440 I've been told my whole life, Roe v. Wade is the most important Supreme Court decision
00:36:12.340 ever in all of history, and the most important decision in all of jurisprudence.
00:36:15.220 We can't let this happen.
00:36:16.060 The world is going to fall.
00:36:17.840 And then it happened, and everything was fine, and the dust settled, and maybe people
00:36:25.540 even started to think, you know, maybe we shouldn't kill all the babies.
00:36:28.160 Maybe that's actually good.
00:36:28.880 Oh, actually, huh?
00:36:29.540 Maybe the Democrats were kind of wrong about that.
00:36:31.400 Maybe they lied to us about what they told us, that the overturning of Roe v. Wade was going
00:36:35.760 to ban abortion everywhere.
00:36:36.580 That obviously didn't happen.
00:36:38.520 Maybe abortion's even not even that great.
00:36:40.100 Maybe there are other issues to focus on.
00:36:43.040 This is another rebuke of the part of the right that wants to win by losing.
00:36:50.920 The part of the right that said, we need to vote against Trump because Trump is really
00:36:54.960 bad.
00:36:55.220 We need Hillary to win. 1.00
00:36:56.980 We need Biden to win.
00:36:58.040 We need Kamala to win. 1.00
00:36:59.220 There are people on the right who said, it's better to let Kamala win. 0.99
00:37:02.360 People that even call themselves really serious right-wingers, and they say, it's better to
00:37:05.880 let Kamala win. 1.00
00:37:06.720 They're practically Democrats.
00:37:08.840 They're practically liberals.
00:37:10.400 They say, no, no, no, the way we really win in the long term, it's the same as never
00:37:13.800 Trump.
00:37:15.260 The way we really win in the long term is by losing every election.
00:37:18.400 And then we lose the Supreme Court seats, and then we lose the judicial decisions, and
00:37:21.940 then we lose and lose and lose.
00:37:23.340 And by the way, ultimately, we lose public opinion.
00:37:25.140 But somehow, we're going to win in the long run.
00:37:29.240 It's like when South Park had it.
00:37:30.820 I'm dating myself.
00:37:31.900 But South Park had a whole episode about the underpants gnomes.
00:37:34.480 And the underpants gnomes were this group of mythical creatures that would steal people's
00:37:39.240 underpants, and then something would happen, and then they'd make a lot of money.
00:37:42.820 And they couldn't quite figure out that second part.
00:37:44.380 Well, that's like the people on the right who say, well, the way we're going to win is
00:37:48.380 by losing.
00:37:49.100 No.
00:37:49.400 The way you win is by winning.
00:37:51.340 You win with the best candidate you have who's going to have flaws at the moment where the
00:37:56.680 issues are a little imprecise, and you're risking certain aspects.
00:38:00.860 You're putting your moral self out there.
00:38:02.380 And then you're going to appoint some judges, and there are going to be some decisions.
00:38:05.560 And you're not going to get every decision you want, but you're going to get some victories.
00:38:08.000 And those victories, when you win, transform public opinion, and they set you up for your
00:38:12.100 next victory.
00:38:13.040 You win by winning.
00:38:14.220 You do not win by losing.
00:38:17.160 Proof of it, not just from the right, but even the left admitting it.
00:38:20.500 Washington Post saying, shoot, the Republicans won by winning, and we need to change our
00:38:24.920 strategy because fear-mongering about abortion and Roe v. Wade isn't working anymore.
00:38:30.900 President Trump's first 100 days rewrote the playbook, America's golden age is here, and
00:38:34.940 the libs will do anything to shut it down. 1.00
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00:38:53.920 My favorite comment on Friday is from Anani Moose-Lul, who says, let the record show that
00:39:00.040 Michael considers Starbucks to be a public restroom that happens to serve coffee.
00:39:03.660 Oh, kind of.
00:39:04.240 Yeah.
00:39:04.820 I mean, I think the coffee is good.
00:39:07.000 And I like the experience of being in Starbucks.
00:39:08.880 And I know you're not supposed to say that as a right-winger.
00:39:12.680 You're supposed to pretend to hate Starbucks.
00:39:13.960 Starbucks has provided me with a relatively nice public bathroom in every city around the
00:39:20.240 world.
00:39:21.340 And the coffee is, it's a little bit overpriced, but the coffee is perfectly good too.
00:39:25.200 Yeah, I'll admit it.
00:39:26.320 I think many, if not most, conservatives agree with me.
00:39:30.760 And I just have the courage to admit it.
00:39:32.940 I enjoy Starbucks.
00:39:34.120 And I love a pumpkin spice latte.
00:39:35.500 I do.
00:39:35.900 Whatever.
00:39:36.760 Whatever.
00:39:37.280 I don't care.
00:39:37.880 I don't care what you think.
00:39:38.580 Now, speaking of the abortion issue, big study just came out.
00:39:45.100 Big study done by the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
00:39:47.580 Very respected think tank.
00:39:50.500 11% of women who take the abortion pill will suffer health consequences, serious health consequences
00:39:57.200 as a result.
00:39:58.020 And the left doesn't want you to know about this.
00:39:59.360 And the pro-abortion lobby doesn't want you to know about this.
00:40:02.200 The abortion pill is not just a minor issue in pro-life advocacy.
00:40:07.080 The abortion pill now constitutes the majority of abortions.
00:40:11.240 Most women who kill their babies do so with the abortion pill. 1.00
00:40:14.220 That wasn't true five years ago.
00:40:15.680 It is true now.
00:40:17.320 So, we should, one, focus our efforts on limiting the abortion pill or eradicating it if it's possible.
00:40:25.760 And the way that we do that is not merely by yelling at people.
00:40:30.640 It's by showing the myriad ways in which the abortion pill is harmful.
00:40:35.460 Not only to the baby, but also to the woman.
00:40:39.720 The left says, oh, the abortion pill, it's totally fine. 0.98
00:40:41.840 It's wonderful.
00:40:42.360 No big deal.
00:40:43.200 Come on, go kill your kids. 1.00
00:40:44.320 No one will have to know.
00:40:45.220 You can do it in the comfort of your own home.
00:40:46.540 Which is why abortions have ticked up since the Dobbs decision. 0.80
00:40:50.680 It's not because of the Dobbs decision.
00:40:52.060 It's because the Dobbs decision coincided with this technological advancement and legal laxity for the abortion pill.
00:40:58.140 Which allows women to kill their babies without even having the stigma of walking into a Planned Parenthood. 1.00
00:41:03.400 Well, what this study found was that more than one in ten women who take Mifepristone, the abortion pill, will face a serious health consequence.
00:41:11.020 This wasn't a study of just ten people or something.
00:41:12.980 This was a study of 865,727 patients.
00:41:16.200 It wasn't just over the course of a few months.
00:41:18.660 It was over a period of six years, 2017 to 2023.
00:41:22.520 Published by EPPC.
00:41:24.940 Discovered that 11% of women suffered at least one serious adverse event within 45 days of taking the pill.
00:41:31.380 The largest data set that we know of.
00:41:34.920 More than 4.7% of women were forced to visit an emergency room related to the abortion.
00:41:41.760 More than 3.3% of women suffered hemorrhaging.
00:41:45.040 This is big numbers.
00:41:46.960 More than 1.3% got an infection.
00:41:49.140 Thousands of women were hospitalized.
00:41:51.060 More than 1,000 women here needed blood transfusions.
00:41:54.080 Hundreds of these women suffered from sepsis.
00:41:56.140 The abortion industry will not tell you about any of that.
00:41:59.100 Nearly 2,000 of these women had a different life-threatening adverse event from the ones that I've just mentioned.
00:42:06.440 And in 2.84% of cases, the abortion from the abortion pill didn't work. 0.87
00:42:14.120 And then the women completed the murder of their children through a surgical abortion. 1.00
00:42:19.580 So in almost 3% of cases, the women take this poison with serious risk of harming or killing them. 0.96
00:42:28.700 And it doesn't even do the thing they want to do, which is kill the kids.
00:42:31.300 So they got to go in and have the surgical abortion if they want to complete the abortion, which of course no one has to do. 0.93
00:42:35.500 Got to let women know this.
00:42:39.700 One, for their own good.
00:42:41.920 Because we actually, even though these women are doing a very terrible thing, which is murder their children, one still loves them. 0.93
00:42:48.100 One still has a Christian love for them.
00:42:49.480 One might even have a familial or a community love for them.
00:42:52.220 There might be women you know. 1.00
00:42:53.200 And a lot of these women don't have good information. 1.00
00:42:58.320 And even if the women do understand the moral gravity of killing their own child, even if they do admit that to themselves, a lot of women won't admit that to themselves. 0.94
00:43:06.640 If you tell them, by the way, if you take this abortion pill, there's a greater than 1 in 10% chance you're going to seriously damage your health.
00:43:16.020 Just that alone will very likely reduce their likelihood to do it.
00:43:21.220 Okay?
00:43:22.180 So sometimes pro-lifers or people who in any way take the abortion issue seriously, they'll say that the pro-life focus on women as the victims of abortion is misguided.
00:43:35.780 Because the women are killing their children. 1.00
00:43:37.900 So we shouldn't talk about them as victims.
00:43:39.300 They're the perpetrators of the crime.
00:43:41.320 And sometimes it's both.
00:43:42.440 Sometimes women are pressured into it or even forced into the abortion. 1.00
00:43:46.960 Sometimes they do it with full consent.
00:43:49.180 But as we've pointed out on this show many, many times, freedom is willing predicated on knowledge.
00:43:55.700 So if you don't have a command of your will because you've abused it through vice and license, and if you don't have knowledge because you're ignorant or you've been taught things that aren't true,
00:44:04.500 you cannot truly be said to be free.
00:44:06.940 That's the classical and conservative understanding of freedom, not the left-wing version of freedom, the liberal version of freedom, which is just perfect neutrality and choosing.
00:44:15.140 But these women really are not free, either because they've damaged their will through vice or because they're ignorant or both, likely both. 1.00
00:44:21.920 But in any case, the reason to focus on the risks to women from these abortions is a prudential choice to stop the abortions.
00:44:34.060 When we point out that abortions are very bad for women, when we point out that the year before Roe v. Wade, not a lot of women died from illegal abortions.
00:44:41.440 The left tells us thousands of women were dying.
00:44:43.080 That isn't true.
00:44:44.380 But 39 women died from illegal abortions the year before Roe v. Wade. 0.61
00:44:47.920 24 women died from legal abortions.
00:44:49.600 When you look at where abortion was legal and illegal, it was about as risky to have a legal abortion as an illegal abortion.
00:44:55.380 When you point these things out, when you say there are risks to legal abortion, that the legal abortion industry is bad for women, you're saying a true thing. 1.00
00:45:02.080 You're not lying.
00:45:02.860 But you are doing that for the good of saving the babies, which is, I guess, the theme of our show today.
00:45:08.400 The theme of our show is recognizing that our actions cannot be intrinsically evil or immoral in themselves.
00:45:17.600 Good ends don't justify immoral means.
00:45:19.440 But furthermore, even good actions or morally neutral actions need to be ordered toward the highest good.
00:45:28.140 They need to be ordered toward the love of God.
00:45:31.600 And they need to be authenticated by this genuine love of our neighbors, which is what St. Paul says.
00:45:37.040 That's what he means when he says, if you have all the virtues but you don't have charity, you're nothing.
00:45:42.500 So you could be the most pro-life person in the world if you hate these women. 0.97
00:45:47.980 If you go through your pro-life activism without charity, you're nothing.
00:45:53.720 And the activism is probably not going to amount to anything.
00:45:56.000 Same is true of love of family.
00:45:57.420 It's love of nation, patriotism.
00:45:59.100 Really, every action in your life has to have your loves ordered in the right way.
00:46:03.080 I'm really glad J.D. Vance started this conversation on the order of love.
00:46:06.860 It's good stuff.
00:46:07.360 This is a pretty Catholic administration, wouldn't you say?
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